General Info

[QUOTE=Chabbie]Hi all,

I want to thank all for the your dedication to this forum. I will be in Madrid the last to weeks of November and I'm planning on hoping over to Germany for my mongering devirginalization. I need guidance on what city I need to arrive into for the following PTs. And which one is more public transportation (bus,metro,train,taxi) friendly. They are:

Dorsten
Mettman
Osnabrueck
Selm
Wagenfeld

I will probably arrive on November 15 or 16 and plan to stay for a couple of days. So if anyone is interested, I can be your grasshoppa.

Thanks again, and keep up the great life.

Chabbie[/QUOTE]
You need to land in Duesseldorf (or Dortmund or Koeln or Muenster-Osnabrueck).

Theoretically all of these clubs are reachable by cab. Your bill will, however, be astronomical.

The easiest to get to by public transport are Mettmann and Osnabrueck.

From Mettmann-Stadtwald its a fifteen minute walk heading east or you can take a bus heading to Wuppertal-Vohwinkel.

At Osnabrueck Hbf you can take a cab to get to the PT which is near the Autobahnausfahrt Sutthausen. See the last report I cut and paste by Sussex - it cost him something like 7 Euros one-way.

Dorsten is doable too but from Duesseldorf you have several train connections to make. You will go either via Essen or Dortmund then transfer to a train to Dorsten Hbf and then from there to Dorsten-Wulfen. Then you can take bus which runs down the Landstrasse heading east and then take a walk. Or you can cab it from Wulfen.

I've never been to Selm. From the looks of it on a map, its quite far from anything. You would probably go through Dortmund if you were heading in that direction.

You will need to rent a car to get to Wagenfeld. There are buses which go to Wagenfeld but I believe there is one a day and you will have to go via Osnabrueck. You first need to get to Diepholz and then wait for a bus heading to Wagenfeld.

If you've not first been to an FKK club I don't recommend that you start your career at a PT. You may not be ready for it.

You need to learn how to walk first before you learn how to run.

But if you insist on going, I would also not recommend that you start at PT Mettmann.

Where to find info on public transport in NRW? Go visit the Verkehrsverband Rhein-Ruhr website.

[url]www.vrr.de[/url]

[QUOTE=Jackyo]You need to land in Duesseldorf (or Dortmund or Koeln or Muenster-Osnabrueck).

Theoretically all of these clubs are reachable by cab. Your bill will, however, be astronomical.

The easiest to get to by public transport are Mettmann and Osnabrueck.

From Mettmann-Stadtwald its a fifteen minute walk heading east or you can take a bus heading to Wuppertal-Vohwinkel.

At Osnabrueck Hbf you can take a cab to get to the PT which is near the Autobahnausfahrt Sutthausen. See the last report I cut and paste by Sussex - it cost him something like 7 Euros one-way.

Dorsten is doable too but from Duesseldorf you have several train connections to make. You will go either via Essen or Dortmund then transfer to a train to Dorsten Hbf and then from there to Dorsten-Wulfen. Then you can take bus which runs down the Landstrasse heading east and then take a walk. Or you can cab it from Wulfen.

I've never been to Selm. From the looks of it on a map, its quite far from anything. You would probably go through Dortmund if you were heading in that direction.

You will need to rent a car to get to Wagenfeld. There are buses which go to Wagenfeld but I believe there is one a day and you will have to go via Osnabrueck. You first need to get to Diepholz and then wait for a bus heading to Wagenfeld.

If you've not first been to an FKK club I don't recommend that you start your career at a PT. You may not be ready for it.

You need to learn how to walk first before you learn how to run.

But if you insist on going, I would also not recommend that you start at PT Mettmann.

Where to find info on public transport in NRW? Go visit the Verkehrsverband Rhein-Ruhr website.

[url]www.vrr.de[/url][/QUOTE]

Dorsten and Selm are reachable by public transport, to get to Selm, you need to take a train to the Dortmund Hbf, and then another to the Bork Banhof.

Dorsten, you need to take a train to the Essen Hbf and then another to Wulfen. From Wulfen you need to take a Bus to the Wulfner Markt stop.

[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]Dorsten and Selm are reachable by public transport, to get to Selm, you need to take a train to the Dortmund Hbf, and then another to the Bork Banhof.

Dorsten, you need to take a train to the Essen Hbf and then another to Wulfen. From Wulfen you need to take a Bus to the Wulfner Markt stop.[/QUOTE]

Its actually 2 trains from Essen, first to Dorsten main, then to Dorsten Wulfen. From there u can take the bus CBGB mentioned.

You could alternatively stop at the Dorsten ZOB and then take a bus directly to Wulfener Markt. Between the two clubs, I like Dorsten a little bit more, much better food, but the women at Selm still have a good attitude.

Thanks for all the directions. With all the info and google earth, it will be hard to get lost.

Jackyo - I value your opinion that a PT is not the place to start a mongering hobby. But there are a couple of factors that has tilted my decision towards them. First, I really don't know if I will get another opportunity to go to Germany anytime soon. Second, given the first reason, it is more important for me to have experienced a PT heaven than to have a greater selection of better quality at a FKK. I hope that my reasoning makes some sort of sense.

You stated that Mettmann would not be a wise choice to be the first. I have read and re-read all of the PT threads and every time that I finish reading them I end up changing my mind and rearranging them. So with that being said, I would like to ask you all if there is one PT that would stands out be the better choice for a first timer?

Thanks again for the wealth of knowledge,

Chabbie

[QUOTE=Ripple66]Can anyone tell me if any of the FKKs in NRW offer bondage opportunities / facilities? e.g. beds with bars, ceiling hooks , st andrew's cross etc. ? I'd like to play out my tie and tease fantasy (nothing heavier) possibly with two girls and FKKs seem a safe environment. I've been scanning the NRW forums for some months but have seen no references to this form of plasure anywhere.

Thanks in advance,

Ripple 66[/QUOTE][url]http://www.mausi-und-team.de/index.php?option=com_rsgallery2&Itemid=2&page=inline&catid=3&id=31&limit=1&limitstart=1[/url]

Mausi's Erotikparadies - Aplerbecker Bahnhofstrasse 5, Dortmund (FKK Aplerbeck)

But this kind of things aren't common in FKK's or saunaclubs. You better could search here : [url]www.peitsche.de[/url] or a more related forum.

[QUOTE=Chabbie]Thanks for all the directions. With all the info and google earth, it will be hard to get lost.

Jackyo - I value your opinion that a PT is not the place to start a mongering hobby. But there are a couple of factors that has tilted my decision towards them. First, I really don't know if I will get another opportunity to go to Germany anytime soon. Second, given the first reason, it is more important for me to have experienced a PT heaven than to have a greater selection of better quality at a FKK. I hope that my reasoning makes some sort of sense.

You stated that Mettmann would not be a wise choice to be the first. I have read and re-read all of the PT threads and every time that I finish reading them I end up changing my mind and rearranging them. So with that being said, I would like to ask you all if there is one PT that would stands out be the better choice for a first timer?

Thanks again for the wealth of knowledge,

Chabbie[/QUOTE]
I've not been to [b]PT Selm[/b] yet but from everything I've read it is pretty good. Wan King and Routard have been and I would ask them since they can do a compare and contrast with other PTs.

I like [b]PT Dorsten[/b] but its not what it used to be. This is not a quiet PT, you need to hang out at the upstairs corridor between the two bedrooms and hope that you can snag a pair (the girls work in pairs). During really busy times of the day, your productivity will drop to 0 sessions per hour. As I've said numerous times before, you can surmount this difficulty if you can establish rapport with the girls and make it such that they come looking for you rather than the other way around. I understand the mix of girls has changed. Polish used to be the predominant language. Better start intensive classes now. Can you say [i] F__ me![/i] in Polish?

I like [b]PT Wagenfeld[/b] because it is much less hectic than PT Dorsten and the girls take the initiative. It is a hike to get to though and selection-wise it is a notch (okay, honestly several notches) below the PT Dorsten selection.

You can forget [b]PT Muenster[/b] unless you like sitting around, talking and smoking. The talking part is difficult if you don't speak German.

You might have fun at [b]PT Osnabrueck[/b]. Its got a weird vibe to it though, I think. Its not very clean, the food is borderline edible, the selection of women approaches skanky.

[b]PT Mettmann[/b] is an acquired taste which is why I don't think its a good newbie club. You will either like it or hate it. It is also a club where speaking German fluently is a big asset otherwise you might feel left out from the banter which goes on around you constantly. However, having said that they are very friendly and even a monoligualist might have a good time. The other risk is that you might not like the selection but those "girls" give it everything they've got and one could ever tap the level of sexual energy which is generated in one evening at this club they could light up a small town for a whole year.

So as you can see each club has its pluses and minuses and its a matter of what will you compromise in exchange for what. As in most things in life, there is no black and white.

Where should you start? Ideally I'd start the way I did with public sex at normal FKK clubs. Once you've jumped that barrier you are ready for public sex in the open at a PT.

Let me make a couple of suggestions about your itinerary.

I'd not visit PT Wagenfeld without also going to visit [b]FKK Zeus[/b] in Osnabrueck-Wallenhorst. Why drive up all that way and not drop by? If you are really feeling adventurous, you might drop by PT Wagenfeld's sister PT, [b]La Rouge[/b]. It is also in OS-Wallenhorst and you'd be doing us a favor since no one has reported on it in English yet. Look up Katja. She used to work at PT Wagenfeld, is Russian, blonde and the most perfect tits I've seen anywhere. She, unfortunately, works the other side of the counter now but maybe, just maybe you might persuade her to at least show you her magnificent pair.

I'd not visit PT Dorsten without also dropping by [b]Heavensgate[/b] (they are literally within a stone's throw of each other).

this was posted by yossarian on the rf and it discusses service options in italy.

its not encouraging, by the way. it also explains why clubs in oesterreich are visited by lots of italians who are used to paying higher prices.

translation to follow when i have time.

[quote=yossarian]aja, nicht ganz. prostitution in bordellen ist verboten. straßenprostitution
wird häufig beobachtet. die polizei schreitet manchmal ein, verhaftet die
mädchen (oft negerinnen) und lässt sie wieder frei.
manchmal geht in sog. nightclubs was. da das aber auch offiziell verboten ist,
wird man dort 250 euro los, ohne dass sex garantiert ist. wenn man pech hat,
zahlt man für eine bessere peepshow oder lapdance soviel, wie man in d für
gepflegten sex ausgibt. fummeln und lecken ist drin, aber viel mehr nicht. das
mädchen darf einem nicht mal einen runterholen.
die mädchen versprechen zwar "pompino", halten es aber oft nicht. abgeschlossene
zimmer sind nicht erlaubt.
doch in italien ist viel verboten, was trotzdem stattfindet, weil es keiner
kontrolliert. schmiergelder sind hilfreich, damit polizisten wegschauen.
prostitution findet in italien meist in privatwohnungen statt, die man über
zeitungsannoncen und das internet findet. wenn man glück hat, kommt man an eine
feurige südländerin, die durchaus das bietet, was man bei kühlen nordälplerinnen
vermisst.
viele italiener fahren in fkk-clubs in österreich. das erklärt die exorbitanten
preise in österr. clubs. andere italiener, die abwechslung vom ehealltag suchen,
treiben es mit kerlen. männliche bisexualität ist weit verbreitet. die aids-rate
ist entsprechend höher.
bist du blond, gut gekleidet und charmant, hast du bei italienerinnen durchaus
chancen. zick nicht rum wie die meisten italienischen männer, lerne italienisch
(wenige italiener sind mehrsprachig) und gib dich locker und seriös. dann hast
du durchaus chancen. viele italienerinnen haben die nase voll von ihren
einheimischen aufgeblasenen gockeln, sind aber selbst nicht immer einfach.
höchstens in einem süditalienischen bergdorf kann es dir noch passieren, dass
dich nach einem flirt der bruder der angebeteten mit der schrotflinte zum
traualtar treibt.
noch besser: lerne schmalzlieder singen und gitarre spielen, gib dich als
italiener aus und vernasche deutsche touristinnen an den badestränden.[/quote]
fazit: to follow

if you are blonde, good looking, well dressed, speak some Italian and intelligent the local talent might take a second look at you. Otherwise chum forget it.

In a sentence:
Italian women are hard work.

so 'Brace youself, baby' as the sum total of one's foreplay gets you one up the arras and on your way home.



[QUOTE=Jackyo]This was posted by Yossarian on the RF and it discusses service options in Italy.

Its not encouraging, by the way. It also explains why clubs in Oesterreich are visited by lots of Italians who are used to paying higher prices.

Translation to follow when I have time.


Fazit: to follow[/QUOTE]

Italy is not a good place for p4p, btw I am not blonde but a couple of Italian women chased me down a street.

[QUOTE=Marlow]if you are blonde, good looking, well dressed, speak some Italian and intelligent the local talent might take a second look at you. Otherwise chum forget it.

In a sentence: Italian women are hard work.

so 'Brace youself, baby' as the sum total of one's foreplay gets you one up the arras and on your way home.[/QUOTE]... on Italy also blames the high prices for FKK club activity in the Southern German clubs (read this as Baden-Wuerttemberg and Bayern) on their ready accessbility from northern Italy.

The Italians get none so they travel into Germany but the furthest they will travel is Bayern and BW, hence the higher prices in clubs south of the [i]Weisswurstaequator[/i].

Gentlemen,

I am planning to be in Frankfurt and Marburg in the next few months, mostly in Marburg. I am new to the FKK and PT scene and would like to try it. I, therefore, will very much appreciate your friendly advice.

Unfortunately, my taste in women is very limited. I'm in my 20s. I prefer very young girls with very slim figures, model look, long legs, passionate attitude. Equally important (and, I know, equallly limiting) - I prefer teenie-looking beautiful fresh innocent faces. On top of all these, I'd like to do the following with these faces:

CIM
BBBJ
GFE
Multiple positions
2 girls at once
Anal

I will be grateful if members could suggest 2-3 most appropriate venues for me to accomodate my annoyingly narrow preferences near Marburg and, if time permits, Frankfurt.

I thank you in advance for all your help.

Aibolit

[QUOTE=Aibolit]Gentlemen,

I am planning to be in Frankfurt and Marburg in the next few months, mostly in Marburg. I am new to the FKK and PT scene and would like to try it. I, therefore, will very much appreciate your friendly advice.

Unfortunately, my taste in women is very limited. I'm in my 20s. I prefer very young girls with very slim figures, model look, long legs, passionate attitude. Equally important (and, I know, equallly limiting) - I prefer teenie-looking beautiful fresh innocent faces. On top of all these, I'd like to do the following with these faces:

CIM
BBBJ
GFE
Multiple positions
2 girls at once
Anal

I will be grateful if members could suggest 2-3 most appropriate venues for me to accomodate my annoyingly narrow preferences near Marburg and, if time permits, Frankfurt.

I thank you in advance for all your help.

Aibolit[/QUOTE]
... don't look very good.

There is an Eros Center (read this as Laufhaus).

There is also a club called Erotic Island (oder etwas aehnliches).

This is by Ede from the RF, z. B. about this particular club and about the Laufhaus.

[quote=Ede]Hallo Mr.Jack ! das sieht aber verdammt nach Werbung für den Laden aus. Ich bin 2 x vor Ort gewesen aber von vielen hübschen Frauen nichts gesehen.
Bei meinen Besuchen waren im Laufhaus 4 Frauen und in der Bar überhaupt keine Frauen. Wenn das so ein toller Laden mit guten Frauen wäre würden wir bestimmt viele gute Postings hier lesen können. Ich würde mich freuen wenn die Betreiber den Service verbessern den er liegt vor meiner Haustür und ich müsste nicht mehr so viele Kilometer fahren um in einen guten Club zu kommen[/quote]

The RF has one particular series of posts about the general area and they aren't encouraging.

The consensus all seems to point to driving to the Hessen 3 and leaving this little corner of Hessen.

As to your very specific tastes... good luck. Women like this exist but you won't find a single club that has only this selection.

Most clubs don't perform any edits and you will have to perform this function yourself.

My personal experience with women in their teens (18 and 19) is not good. They usually don't know what they are doing and I personally avoid them unless they are just absolutely stunning visually.

But don't take my word for it. Go try it for yourself and then compare and contrast versus the service provided by an experienced pro.

Women in this profession are at their best in their early twenties, IMHO.

Having said this, I'd never, ever dismiss the services of more women who are even older than that even if physically they may not be in their prime. Experience counts for something.

Want to find a specific eighteen year old? Go find Bianca, formerly of the Hof (d.h. the Schieferhof, aka Bernds). She's now at Samya.

Good, decent services but a little hesitant in the exhibitionism department. Nonetheless, a nice talkative, funny girl.

I would try my luck at FKK World, which is only 35 Kms away. Especially if you have a car.

Whether you find what you are looking for, I do not know, but on a good evening, there is usually a pretty good choice in the looks department. Then you'll have to negotiate the services with the girl(s) you like, but again most of what you are looking for should be available. You'll need a bit of luck and judicious choosing, but we all need that. Good luck, and please report.

If you've never been to an FKK, it's quite a buzz anyway when you first part the red curtain and enter a crowded bar area with upwards of 50 naked girls.

I've just come back from a trip to my other hunting ground, Montreal, and had the most amazing experience with this chick I've seen several times.

I book multiple hour sessions with women when I'm there and I had the most amazing time with her.

I was rock hard the entire time and we copulated like bunnies like there was no tomorrow. I had absolutely no compelling need to come and bring it to an end. Needless to say, she had a very good time as she just went from one orgasm to the next.

Is this was Tantric Sex is all about? If it is, I want to experience more of it.

I've been in this state with previous girlfriends before but I have no idea what triggers it and what I need to do to retrigger it.

I think familiarity with my partner has something to do with it. I am less likely to go into this state if I've just met her and we really don't know each other.

I also got along very well with this one chick at Wiago once. I saw her three days in a row and did several long sessions with her each time in which I also achieved the same state of [i]erection equilibrium[/i], for want of a better way of describing it.

Reflection on this topic brought up a discussion we've had earlier with Everhard when he discussed his "Flow Theory".

[post]507529[/post]

Could it be he was describing Tantric Sex?

The person most associated with Tantric Sex is Sting (of the Police). Years of practicing Yoga has gotten him to such a state of control over his body that he supposedly has nine hour sex sessions with his wife and never loses his erection during these sessions. (I am more skeptical about him achieving nine hour orgasms but hour long erections I think are doable).

I think I've identified my life objective: How does one maintain a nine hour erection?

Do I need to switch to a vegetarian diet and start intensive meditation (Ommmmmmm)? Do I need to move to India and abandon my decadent lifestyle?