Filipinas - Opinions and Advice

Hi Gangles,

Thank you for your comments. I appreciate any feedback or comment, even if they appear to be cynical. It's understandable, as we all have different experiences. I mean, if i meet lots of bad taxi drivers, scamming girls, and get robbed, my opinion might be slightly cynical as well.

[QUOTE=Gangles]I use Cherry Blossom for my dating site, because it has almost the best search engine. By using the search engine, I can be fairly specific about the physical characteristics of the woman I am looking for. Tall, thin, between 25 and 35, no kids.[/QUOTE]I had a look at CB just now, it seems fine but i do not see that big a difference with Filipiniheart. I think my biggest problem is that i can not easily meet the girls on those datingsites. Any contact now, can only be followed up with a in person meeting several months later.

Oh well, need to think about that one.., anyone have a job for me in Phil?

Ciao,

Blizz

I guess I don't under stand why all the hype on giving away a few bucks after a good time. I could be getting older but where is the line between respect and acting a fool? I know when I was dating here in the US i tried to be respectful to the prospective gals I wanted to date. This is not a prerequisite by them just common sense and manners. I am sure most gals from anywhere don't like hanging with a guy that burps,farts,stinks looks and dresses like a slob. Why would you wanna be with a wonderful young and nice gal here and act an ass like some do?

My first trip over in 2004 my friend who is living in subic gave me some advise. He said you can do whatever you want here its ok. If you have a gf have some gals on the side, they don't care what you do. Well, that's why he is broke, drinking a vat of liquor a day, feeding all the relatives, and getting ginn bottles bounced off his head on a regular basis. He acts like a fool and his wife makes sure he pays the price for his actions.

OK who would spend the night with any gal and then offer "her" a gal that just "bonked" your nasty ass 200-p? PRO non PRO who would give a nice respectful gal 4 dollars for a wonderful night? I seem to see all the guys that have moved from other parts of the world and living here acting like a cheep sob. I here all the reasons, they don't need or deserve any more than that, you cant give to much it ruins things for the next guy. Who cares about the next guy? I am sure he don't care about me!

Again, I am guilty of becoming cheaper with the cash than I was on the first few trips over here. The fact is, what do you get for 10-20 bucks at home? What gal would want to date you and care for you if you were sick for 20-30 bucks like they would here. Its not even worth talking about its insulting frankly that people bi/// about what most things cost here. Sure if you wanna stay in a good hotel its about the same as home, if you wanna eat steak its more than a regular meal. If you wanna make a statement and have the biggest house in town that costs lots also. Who in his right mind would wanna be called the "cheapest guy" around living here? not me that's for sure. Word travels around her like shit through a goose and if its a lie its even faster. IO would like to know "who is asking for money" I don't get that here. OK sure I get the 20-50-p stuff but who cares if I need help I always get that back plus. Its not such a big deal, its not like Manila,AC, and other places.

Here people take notice of little things and rank us on the things they see. I here people have asked when I was just a 2-3 month guy here "what did you eat when he was here on his vacation"? They were talking to my sister or brother in law and wanting to compare notes. The reply was, "whatever he ate we ate". The reason this is noted is because many perspective bf"s go visit the gals family and will not eat what the family eats. They send the gal to buy food not for all but for themselves, and don't offer anything to them. Now please, In what setting would anyone do that?????? The fools think the people here don't see and feel what they are and how they are? When I get back from a trip I spend 3000-p each for a pig, and then 500-p for charcoal and let them cook the pig. They cook the thing and then all the neighbors get some meat and everyone is a happy camper. Whats this gonna cost at home 4-5 hundred bucks?
Like I said before they"most guys" get off the aircraft in Manila and leave there brain on board, never using it when they should.

I feel if the going rate is 200-p a day"carpenter,painter" why not pay 350-400-p a day? After all you want service right, you want that guy to be back in the AM to paint or fix the roof. You could not hire anyone in the US to do anything from raking leaves to painting a house for less than $20 -1000-p per hour. I just would like to know why all the moaning about having a gal treat you like a king all night and then worry about $15-30 bucks the next day. And who Care's who gets that cash, she earned the money so she can spend it how she wants. If she spends it on the family she is more often than not a good gal not a fleece type, spending on herself.

Until you find the right gal here and do right by her you will never have the 100% trust from her and the family. If you wanna act an ass and whack everything that walks you will reap the whirlwind from her and the family and should. There is not a hands down difference between normal actions and the way most act here "foreigners". The biggest things are that most are not rich, and most don't have any respect for anyone including themselves.

Could be that's why they seem to migrate here.

B.B.

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[QUOTE=Bill Buxton]

Until you find the right gal here and do right by her you will never have the 100% trust from her and the family. If you wanna act an ass and whack everything that walks you will reap the whirlwind from her and the family and should. There is not a hands down difference between normal actions and the way most act here "foreigners". The biggest things are that most are not rich, and most don't have any respect for anyone including themselves.

Could be that's why they seem to migrate here.

B.B.

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Very well said BB...only issue is that there are scammers who are spread across the net to catch disheartened, love less men from all over the world and make them give money and in return give them false love.

I have fallen many times over in the trickery at first, as you said a fine line between being a fool and respect...these are very intelligent street smart girls, they give you a sense of respect at the same time they are fooling you..a perfect long con.

Unfortunately, newbies fall easily to the trick and for the rest of the time, they have this false image of all Philippines being bad, unless one lives here for some months, it not easy to find nicer women and they are in plenty.

Filipina con looks so convincing is the reason that these con women adapt the good quality of nicer women from the Philippines and use it for their advantage.

One only have to meet a good Filipina to know this, people would be forever confused which one is real and which one is con..its thats subtle.

I think this paradox will never go away, people will continue to get conned and after some time people get out of it and find true love.

The way to heaven is through hell.

I'm going to write how Americans could live an Asian life and live the real dream :)

There is this perennial debate on money matters and how much one should spend on women in Asia.

Here is my attempt to understand why people from America and EU have different views on money.

Being from a developing country, i have many advantages over the developed nations mongers.

I always compensate for giving away money to girls, which some feel as too much by never paying taxes back home, i save 30% of my money every year this way.

I would understand why Americans/EU have so much problems with regards to spending money in a developing nations when 1 dollar would be worth 40 times over.

IRS is on their tail for lifelong, they cant get enough generic medicine, can't buy over the counter drugs, can't eat rice all the time, need AC all night long to sleep, eating burger all year long would be expensive, most need car, most of them need a maid, they need to have insurance for everything for UK folks medical is free yet taxes are high, they cant live on vegetarian food all year long.

Now, I'm from India, middle class, normal online job, i buy Cialis for less than 20 pesos, could eat rice all year long, sleep without A/c.... i hate A/c, i only switch it on when the girl is in my room, yet after the deed i sleep in my dining room.

No body cares about the taxes from a ordinary guy like me in India, the tax folks go after super rich or corporate fraudsters while its opposite in USA, in US, its the ordinary folks who suffer from taxes while the rich and corporates get away.

I don't need insurance to get admitted to hospital, i could go to drugs.com and search for my symptoms and get the medicine from store...which i do it here also, i did my dental thingy for less than 2000 pesos which would have cost more than 3000 USD.

If i get life sick, i don't have to pay 500 dollars to get 911 emergency ambulance, i could get admitted for free in a government hospital addmittedly with a crappy service, yet i will live for another day.

Due to my upbringing i could eat rice all year long and its cheap, very cheap and healthy, i could live on vegetarian food all year long, i eat non veg too, so i don't have any issues living here, i never had insurance for anything in my life, i save on premium, if i don't feel like going out, i cook, i clean, i wash all myself, cos not out of necessity but of a way of life or being no big deal...just like watching tv.

I admit living in India is hard.... very hard and it is corrupt, but with some of the life stories and economic conditions that i hear from folks from west and then whining to the end about how much one should spend, it made me re think on India being that bad with what goes on with folks coming from US which is the richest country in the world and yet whining about spending 10 dollars on a girl from a poor third world country who just sucked his dick.

It just does not add up, i should be the one who should be complaining..while most of the Asians spend more freely than western folks.

I noticed i saved a lot of money on electricity, on non veg foods, vehicle, on insurance, on medicine, on taxes..its like more than half of savings for what a western guy would have to give and when i spend that on girls which i think is normal but not so normal for western folks...i could see the reason why.

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Those who complain that we Asians spend a lot on women must understand, most of us don't pay taxes, can buy medicine over the counter without seeing a doctor, don't need insurance for doing shit, we eat RICE, we don't use fuel and electricity as much as you folks do. we save lot of money unknowingly for what you consider as overpaying.

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I don't think Americans will start living on Rice anytime soon :) or will give up on insurance and fight the IRS.

But i think, if you plan on enjoying Asian women, why not change lifestyle bit by bit.

Just eating rice twice a week for a year would save you thousands of dollars in burgers, meat and steaks.

Try living on veg for one time a week for a year, savings of thousand dollars more, goto drugs.com, search Google with your symptoms self diagnose, go to mercury drug buy generic and cure yourself...i know i know heard a lot of you ain't a doctor thing...im doing it and i'm all good..once you start..you will know there is so much info on the net you don't need a docter for most of the STD's :D

Why not move some of your money to Asian country, enjoy on 8% interest on your deposit and spend more money on what you love.

Yet its not all rosy here, we all know the problems, but i feel, you folks overspend on many things which could be cut down just like you feel we overspend on girls..

[QUOTE=Born Loser 5]There is this perennial debate on money matters and how much one should spend on women in Asia.

Here is my attempt to understand why people from America and EU have different views on money.

Being from a developing country, i have many advantages over the developed nations mongers.

I always compensate for giving away money to girls, which some feel as too much by never paying taxes back home, i save 30% of my money every year this way.

I would understand why Americans/EU have so much problems with regards to spending money in a developing nations when 1 dollar would be worth 40 times over.

IRS is on their tail for lifelong, they cant get enough generic medicine, can't buy over the counter drugs, can't eat rice all the time, need AC all night long to sleep, eating burger all year long would be expensive, most need car, most of them need a maid, they need to have insurance for everything for UK folks medical is free yet taxes are high, they cant live on vegetarian food all year long.

Now, I'm from India, middle class, normal online job, i buy Cialis for less than 20 pesos, could eat rice all year long, sleep without A/c.... i hate A/c, i only switch it on when the girl is in my room, yet after the deed i sleep in my dining room.

No body cares about the taxes from a ordinary guy like me in India, the tax folks go after super rich or corporate fraudsters while its opposite in USA, in US, its the ordinary folks who suffer from taxes while the rich and corporates get away.

I don't need insurance to get admitted to hospital, i could go to drugs.com and search for my symptoms and get the medicine from store...which i do it here also, i did my dental thingy for less than 2000 pesos which would have cost more than 3000 USD.

If i get life sick, i don't have to pay 500 dollars to get 911 emergency ambulance, i could get admitted for free in a government hospital addmittedly with a crappy service, yet i will live for another day.

Due to my upbringing i could eat rice all year long and its cheap, very cheap and healthy, i could live on vegetarian food all year long, i eat non veg too, so i don't have any issues living here, i never had insurance for anything in my life, i save on premium, if i don't feel like going out, i cook, i clean, i wash all myself, cos not out of necessity but of a way of life or being no big deal...just like watching tv.

I admit living in India is hard.... very hard and it is corrupt, but with some of the life stories and economic conditions that i hear from folks from west and then whining to the end about how much one should spend, it made me re think on India being that bad with what goes on with folks coming from US which is the richest country in the world and yet whining about spending 10 dollars on a girl from a poor third world country who just sucked his dick.

It just does not add up, i should be the one who should be complaining..while most of the Asians spend more freely than western folks.

I noticed i saved a lot of money on electricity, on non veg foods, vehicle, on insurance, on medicine, on taxes..its like more than half of savings for what a western guy would have to give and when i spend that on girls which i think is normal but not so normal for western folks...i could see the reason why.

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Those who complain that we Asians spend a lot on women must understand, most of us don't pay taxes, can buy medicine over the counter without seeing a doctor, don't need insurance for doing shit, we eat RICE, we don't use fuel and electricity as much as you folks do. we save lot of money unknowingly for what you consider as overpaying.

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I don't think Americans will start living on Rice anytime soon :) or will give up on insurance and fight the IRS.

But i think, if you plan on enjoying Asian women, why not change lifestyle bit by bit.

Just eating rice twice a week for a year would save you thousands of dollars in burgers, meat and steaks.

Try living on veg for one time a week for a year, savings of thousand dollars more, goto drugs.com, search Google with your symptoms self diagnose, go to mercury drug buy generic and cure yourself...i know i know heard a lot of you ain't a doctor thing...im doing it and i'm all good..once you start..you will know there is so much info on the net you don't need a docter for most of the STD's :D

Why not move some of your money to Asian country, enjoy on 8% interest on your deposit and spend more money on what you love.

Yet its not all rosy here, we all know the problems, but i feel, you folks overspend on many things which could be cut down just like you feel we overspend on girls..[/QUOTE]You are right, nice post I have seen the light that you have talked about here. Its easy to be cynical here but rice is not all that bad every night. And the AC requirement don't cost all that much, its my only frill. Cars are cheep but then again who wants to drive in Manila anyway? I feel better when I am here most of the time, better than I do in my own country. Must be the clean province air and the fish heads for dinner. I don't live like Donald Trump in the US but he don't have a thing on me here. Its a nice change from all the day to day stress in the west. You never here me yakking about the overnight guests for 10-20 bucks, quiet please, lets keep this a secret.

B.B.

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[QUOTE=SmartEuropean]My dear friends, I write you these lines to ask you for some good advises. Feel free to write here your opinions in the most open way, since I am old enough to understand that any opinion is a good opinion. I hope that this thread is the correct one where to post this discussion. If not, please, Jackson, move it where you consider it more proper.

The point is that I am planning to marry a babe met in a bar in Angeles. And my question is: is that a good idea or not? Before replying, please, read till the bottom.

I give you here few honest details so that you can understand the whole situation and tell me what you think according to your experiences.

The report about my days in Angeles is number 4147 of 3rd July this year

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=900169&postcount=4147[/url]

in the Angeles thread, and you can read it to have a general idea. What I can add here is that I have considered very well the days I spent with her and I found her very nice and sweet and caring. So, since I am planning to marry again anyway and I have just closed with my gf here, I am considering this option too.

About her: she is about 25 years younger. She never asked me money in Angeles nor later. I never asked her to leave her job there. Few weeks after I was back home, she left the bar life because of some arguing with her mamasan and colleagues. At the moment she works as a nanny. And when I spoke to her of my idea she said it is fine. And, what is very important to me, agreed to have no kids, since I do not want any troubles with the ones I already have.

About me: my financial position is not great but good enough to support her in the first period. She wants to work and she is ready to be a nanny here too, the sort of job for a girl like her can easily find in this part of the world. Of course I like her a lot and I had the time to see that she can be a good partner, too.

In these three months we exchanged few very nice mails and phone calls. When I told her about my plan, she honestly and openly told me her story: an usual story of this kind of situation. She also added she had already been in Angeles years ago for few months. She left the bar because of a Westerner guy who promised her everything and gave her money to go to school again and then suddenly disappeared. And she also told me of a former Pilipino boyfriend who deceived her.

In few days we are meeting again (I am going to Philippines again after few days spent in Thailand) to speak seriously about this matter. My idea is to marry in late 2011 and also to make her signing a very clear pre-marriage agreement with possible divorce conditions.

Now your turn. Feel free, but serious, please.

Thanks a lot,

SE[/QUOTE]


You call yourself 'Smart European'. In general taking the girl from the bar is not the smart thing to do. Just be ware.

Buledaddy, has something to say about your prenup here: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=926489&postcount=4522[/url]

[QUOTE=BuleDaddy]And I wouldn't trust a pinoy DNA test. They'd definately skew it to work for her!! You would need to take her to Bangkok's Bumugrad hospital and have the test done there along with "other" blood work. BTW, prenups are basically null and void in the US because there are an army of pinoy pock faced abagados (Lawyers) who specialize in working Uncle Sam's liberal system. Probably the same in the UK. These lawyers are always getting the max for the lady. They specialize in taking away an old geezer's estate from the heirs, having a lady marry a retired military guy just before he dies so she can get his pension for the rest of her life. They will be assisting the lady in her credit card bankruptcy after stiffing creditors for 10's or 100's of thousands. They are best at convincing the courtroom that this poor lady signed the prenup under duress and didn't understand what she was signing. She'll pretend she no speak engree. If you have it done in Tagalog she will claim to not understand it, that she speaks Vicayan or Ilocanan. If you are 10+ years older than her the court will want to make an unpleasant example of you so others will stay here with the "BIG HOMEGURL" lady and suffer. This goes for all western countries but in particular the US. Better to leave her there. Rent not buy real estate for her. Keep the payments down to rent, food, loads and trips to the province. IMHO[/QUOTE]

I wish you success in your endeavor, but be wary. SE, you seem to have some doubts already by your insistance on the prenup. Do you doubt yourself or do you doubt the girl?

Are you really ready to give up your mongering ways for this simple girl?

If you are serious about this girl, you should consider to stay with her in the PI. Your money will go much further and you may actually enjoy the lifestyle here. She will certainly be happier.

Are you going to take care of her families needs? I don't think you should but she may have different ideas.

Let the discussion begin....

Yellow Fever

[QUOTE=Born Loser 5]There is this perennial debate on money matters and how much one should spend on women in Asia.

Here is my attempt to understand why people from America and EU have different views on money.

Being from a developing country, i have many advantages over the developed nations mongers.

I always compensate for giving away money to girls, which some feel as too much by never paying taxes back home, i save 30% of my money every year this way.

I would understand why Americans/EU have so much problems with regards to spending money in a developing nations when 1 dollar would be worth 40 times over.

IRS is on their tail for lifelong, they cant get enough generic medicine, can't buy over the counter drugs, can't eat rice all the time, need AC all night long to sleep, eating burger all year long would be expensive, most need car, most of them need a maid, they need to have insurance for everything for UK folks medical is free yet taxes are high, they cant live on vegetarian food all year long.

Now, I'm from India, middle class, normal online job, i buy Cialis for less than 20 pesos, could eat rice all year long, sleep without A/c.... i hate A/c, i only switch it on when the girl is in my room, yet after the deed i sleep in my dining room.

No body cares about the taxes from a ordinary guy like me in India, the tax folks go after super rich or corporate fraudsters while its opposite in USA, in US, its the ordinary folks who suffer from taxes while the rich and corporates get away.

I don't need insurance to get admitted to hospital, i could go to drugs.com and search for my symptoms and get the medicine from store...which i do it here also, i did my dental thingy for less than 2000 pesos which would have cost more than 3000 USD.

If i get life sick, i don't have to pay 500 dollars to get 911 emergency ambulance, i could get admitted for free in a government hospital addmittedly with a crappy service, yet i will live for another day.

Due to my upbringing i could eat rice all year long and its cheap, very cheap and healthy, i could live on vegetarian food all year long, i eat non veg too, so i don't have any issues living here, i never had insurance for anything in my life, i save on premium, if i don't feel like going out, i cook, i clean, i wash all myself, cos not out of necessity but of a way of life or being no big deal...just like watching tv.

I admit living in India is hard.... very hard and it is corrupt, but with some of the life stories and economic conditions that i hear from folks from west and then whining to the end about how much one should spend, it made me re think on India being that bad with what goes on with folks coming from US which is the richest country in the world and yet whining about spending 10 dollars on a girl from a poor third world country who just sucked his dick.

It just does not add up, i should be the one who should be complaining..while most of the Asians spend more freely than western folks.

I noticed i saved a lot of money on electricity, on non veg foods, vehicle, on insurance, on medicine, on taxes..its like more than half of savings for what a western guy would have to give and when i spend that on girls which i think is normal but not so normal for western folks...i could see the reason why.

===================

Those who complain that we Asians spend a lot on women must understand, most of us don't pay taxes, can buy medicine over the counter without seeing a doctor, don't need insurance for doing shit, we eat RICE, we don't use fuel and electricity as much as you folks do. we save lot of money unknowingly for what you consider as overpaying.

======================

I don't think Americans will start living on Rice anytime soon :) or will give up on insurance and fight the IRS.

But i think, if you plan on enjoying Asian women, why not change lifestyle bit by bit.

Just eating rice twice a week for a year would save you thousands of dollars in burgers, meat and steaks.

Try living on veg for one time a week for a year, savings of thousand dollars more, goto drugs.com, search Google with your symptoms self diagnose, go to mercury drug buy generic and cure yourself...i know i know heard a lot of you ain't a doctor thing...im doing it and i'm all good..once you start..you will know there is so much info on the net you don't need a docter for most of the STD's :D

Why not move some of your money to Asian country, enjoy on 8% interest on your deposit and spend more money on what you love.

Yet its not all rosy here, we all know the problems, but i feel, you folks overspend on many things which could be cut down just like you feel we overspend on girls..[/QUOTE]

Living in USA we develop a sense to protect our property and our money in any eventuality. There is no safety net for middle and upper class people. Only way you can get free housing, food stamps and medical care is if you are dirt poor , Specifically total assets should be less than $2000 for medical care and $1000 for free housing.
So we try to buy all sorts of insurance so that in any emergence we are covered and we need not dip into our savings. Also we have developed a sense of self reliance as as not to get help from the government or other organisation as much as possible.
Yes, We value money in the sense it gives us independance and with carefull budgeting we will able to hold our head high. Spending less or money depends on the personality. Some will spend more on girls and other for food and vice versa. Generally Americans are meat and potato guys and not rice and more rice guys.
In the mongeroing business most of the people budget wisely and ofcourse like anything else go offtrack few times.

Quite a perspective there BL5.

A few points to note:

Healthy food costs more than junk food. Rice, vegetables, fruit, beans, won't be cheap.

Millions of people, not only from the 3rd world, but also from the not-so-newly independent Soviet states are dying to immigrate to the USA; live the American dream (some might call be being enslaved by mortgage, Equifax, car etc.)

Tens of thousands of Americans are dying to find expat jobs in countries (Saudi Arabia), that offer no freedoms that they so cherish.

In addition to the "life, liberty & the pursuit...." thing one thing that America has going for it that even the other "Western democracies" do NOT have is the chance to start over, and start over again and again. It's the great American bankruptcy court. Think Donald Trump.

That is why most Americans are 1 paycheck away from bankruptcy. Or maybe that is why they have such bankruptcy laws.

[QUOTE=Lustforthrust]Quite a perspective there BL5.

A few points to note:

Tens of thousands of Americans are dying to find expat jobs in countries (Saudi Arabia), that offer no freedoms that they so cherish.

That is why most Americans are 1 paycheck away from bankruptcy. Or maybe that is why they have such bankruptcy laws.[/QUOTE]They should be very careful of what they wish for. I worked there and altho the Phils is truly messed up, no where is more seriously messed up than Saudi. Its the unwiped ass of the world.

Have a chat mate in a southern city. Think shes 22. 4th year nursing student. Used to look great in a bikini, but haven't seen her latest bikini pic in a while.

Anyways were chatting today, and her bf has recently been killed. He was working in security in Iraq.

Totally loveless and in total need of a GOOD bf.

Not a one night romp etc from a player (as we all are)

If there are any contenders, send me PM. But I will not pass on her name to you, unless you can categorically state that you are not a player. She needs a stable guy. Now its highly likely that there are none around. This I understand.

[QUOTE=Yellow Fever #2][url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=926204&postcount=4516[/url]

You call yourself 'Smart European'. In general taking the girl from the bar is not the smart thing to do. Just be ware.

Buledaddy, has something to say about your prenup here: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=926489&postcount=4522[/url]

I wish you success in your endeavor, but be wary. SE, you seem to have some doubts already by your insistance on the prenup. Do you doubt yourself or do you doubt the girl?

Are you really ready to give up your mongering ways for this simple girl?

If you are serious about this girl, you should consider to stay with her in the PI. Your money will go much further and you may actually enjoy the lifestyle here. She will certainly be happier.

Are you going to take care of her families needs? I don't think you should but she may have different ideas.

Let the discussion begin....

Yellow Fever[/QUOTE]Thanks a lot you all for your notes.

About the statement that it is not wise to take a bar girl, I fully agree. The point is that (maybe I am stupid and naive) I do not consider her a real bar girl. She has been there once for short time and then was happy to leave it to go back to school (assuming that what she told me is true) and also this second time (where I have personal evidence of her acts) she was there for few weeks only and I did not ask her to leave it nor send her money, but she left it and now she has a normal, underpaid, job. And she never ever asked me money.

About the prenup. I see what you mean, BD. But I do not see why the Dna test should be made there and not in my Country. Second, I do not see why she should be pregnant if she takes pills. Third, the laws and lawyers situation in Europe is a bit different from USA. Even if I am experienced enough to know the lawyers world and I well see the risk.

For YF. Well, to be honest, I feel to trust her but this idea of the prenup is what you might call a safety net which is better to have than to have not. This has to do with my general attitude, which is very cautious. I doubt myself? Of course. Who knows what happens tomorrow? You know the saying? Act as you should die tomorrow and think as you should live forever.

Still to be honest, I am not totally sure to leave mongering for this simple girl. It is what I have done even in my previous (normal) marriage and what I have done in my "single" years, even if I had most of the time a good and stable relationship with European girls. I think that I might diminish my mongering but I also consider how nice it might be to come back from my "job trip" and find a sweet babe at home waiting for me. Last but not least, I am not getting any younger and my mongering dead line is approaching anyway. And so just "travelling" with her should be nice. But stay with her in the PI is quite impossible. First because I still have here a job, a good job I cannot move abroad and then, after my retiring, all my life, my friends and my sons are still here. And I do not want to leave them.

About her family needs. I do not think it is my responsibility. And I think that, since her plan is to work here, she can do whatever she likes with her money. I am not asking her to support me or our home, I am going to give her the basic needs and all the money she can make is for her. But of course this is one of the point we must openly discuss when I will meet her again next month.

Anyway I want to thank you all for your nice contributions to this discussion. It is very helpful to me.

SE

on last trip saw a lady who i took to my room, and spent an ok night with but nothing special. kicked her out in the morning so i could do some work. average lady but with good heart and works in a store.

a few days later i get a whole series of sms, that started normal then became very desperate.

started with. " it hurts when i [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] "

moved onto " i haven't had sex with anyone for 3.5 years so that must be why it hurts"

then onto " i've never seen a condom before. you didn't tell me you were going to use a condom. that must have damaged my pussy"

then became " i've just been to the doctor and he says i have urinary infection. he says the condom caused it.

and the final one. " as your condom caused this, please can you send p5000 for the medication.

sure honey.!

my replies were more factual.

1. million of condoms are used daily all around the world, except in some countries such as phils.

2. your doc should be struck off the medical register for stating a condom can cause a urinary infection. it can aggravate an exisiting situation, but ask your doc where and why urinary infections occur. very very very commn amongst women whether they have sex or not. maybe he doesn't know this.

3. when we meet again, we can talk about whether i make a contribution or not.

[QUOTE=SmartEuropean]Thanks a lot you all for your notes.
Still to be honest, I am not totally sure to leave mongering for this simple girl. It is what I have done even in my previous (normal) marriage and what I have done in my "single" years, even if I had most of the time a good and stable relationship with European girls. I think that I might diminish my mongering but I also consider how nice it might be to come back from my "job trip" and find a sweet babe at home waiting for me. Last but not least, I am not getting any younger and my mongering dead line is approaching anyway. [/QUOTE]

SE,

I am surprised there were not more comments from the forum regarding your post. I hope that other members can add their opinions too.

I really doubt you will ever leave mongering. It was only a thought. I don't think I could ever leave mongering either.

Your difference this time, compared to your past European gfs and wife, is that your PI girls KNOWS you are a monger. She will have her radar tuned to you but I hope she will also know not to rock the boat.

In fact they are bar girls, we are their customers. We are not much different from them.

Good luck in your adventure.

Yellow Fever

Just another thought for you SE. I think your biggest concern should be that once you have brought her back to your country. Once she has assimilated, gotten a feel of the independence that you are talking about giving her. (The ability to get a job and work there) giving her an income that is more than she could have ever expected in the PI.

What makes you think, after a year or two, That she will not leave you for a younger man in your country. I have seen this happen more often than I can count. They marry an older man, and tell him what he wants to hear. "No sweetheart, I don't want babies either". She will change her mind because family is everything to filipinos

You are 25 years older than her. Seriously how long do you think thats going to last.

Every young guy she encounters will be passing her phone numbers. She will meet other girls her age who will no doubt be telling her "Why are you with him". "You have your green card, you are legal, leave now".

In the PI. You would not be an unusual couple. But in Europe. "Mail order bride" is the first thing people are going to think. Any guy who has been to Thailand or PI will think. Yeah he snatched a freak and brought her back.

The fact that she left AC once and came back to work again. Tells you she doesn't have a problem selling ass, and only stops when she thinks she has her a man she thinks is going to marry her. I bet if you told her it was off. She'd be right back in AC within 3 mths. Selling that ass again.

If not why didn't she take this low paying job in the first place. Why did she go back to selling ass at all.

[QUOTE=SmartEuropean]Thanks a lot you all for your notes.

\Still to be honest, I am not totally sure to leave mongering for this simple girl. It is what I have done even in my previous (normal) marriage and what I have done in my "single" years, even if I had most of the time a good and stable relationship with European girls. I think that I might diminish my mongering but I also consider how nice it might be to come back from my "job trip" and find a sweet babe at home waiting for me. Last but not least, I am not getting any younger and my mongering dead line is approaching anyway. And so just "travelling" with her should be nice.

SE[/QUOTE]The mongering deadline.? I truly hope there isn't one.

I remember once sitting in an Angeles bar, and next to be was an old bloke. Must have been 80+. Had 2-3 pretty girls with him telling him he was handsome. (better than hearing " "Oh Sir, you are so wrinkly LOL ")

I asked him why he was there.

He said " Son, I can't get it up any more BUT my eyes still work and my brain still works and I can still imagine how great it would be to be with these young ladies. "

And thats why I hope theres no mongering deadline. Imagine saying " Game Over.