Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=DRRonin;1396260]You really don't have a clue as to what you are writing about do you? 2, 000 baht is still a very large amount of money in this country. Especially for an hours work. The minimum wage which a large pct of women are making in Thailand is 300 baht a day. That is for working 12 hours a day in a factory or at your friendly 7-11 or a fast food joint. The jump in girl prices has little to do with inflation. It is supply and demand. Supply has been diminishing and demand has been growing thus the ability for girls to raise their prices and get away with it. But even so, what makes no sense to me is a go-go in which all the girls are asking for the same amount of money because the quality differential is enormous. Are you going to pay the same amount for an older chunky girl and a beauty? Probably not. Market forces, dear boy.[/QUOTE]The world has changed. 2,000 baht is not a large sum to a WG whose expenses and expectations have risen markedly over the last 20 years.

You continue to perpetrate the fallacy that equating a WGs earnings to those of a factory worker is a justification for 2,000 baht being a "very large amount of money." In the UK factory girls earn £10 / hour / working girls £150. Was ever thus.

I do not know where there is the idea that supply is diminishing. Numbers and proof?

As to go-go girls charging the same price: It is called human nature. No WG is going to admit that she went for less than any other WG. What WG is going to admit she is less attractive. Fact of life.

[QUOTE=Western787; 1396057]The situation at Thermae has been discussed in detail recently by many parties. The problem pointed out is that the hotties are more and more completely ignoring Farangs, at ANY cost.

Are you saying there is now a surplus of hotties that exceeds the number of Japanese willing to overpay? Perhaps the exchange rate (yen freefall vs the baht) is finally impacting things.[/QUOTE]There are some Farangs a nice girl would not want at any cost. Some girls are picky. Not all girls are looking for Japan only. If she likes you and your money is good there is always a chance. I certainly found girls keen on me. However I am very picky too.

[QUOTE=DRRonin;1396260]You really don't have a clue as to what you are writing about do you? 2, 000 baht is still a very large amount of money in this country. Especially for an hours work. The minimum wage which a large pct of women are making in Thailand is 300 baht a day. That is for working 12 hours a day in a factory or at your friendly 7-11 or a fast food joint. The jump in girl prices has little to do with inflation. It is supply and demand. Supply has been diminishing and demand has been growing thus the ability for girls to raise their prices and get away with it. But even so, what makes no sense to me is a go-go in which all the girls are asking for the same amount of money because the quality differential is enormous. Are you going to pay the same amount for an older chunky girl and a beauty? Probably not. Market forces, dear boy.[/QUOTE]Here here. 2k baht is a lot of money in Thailand for 30 min work; which seems to be the average ST for many gals these days. Considering college grads make between 12-25k a month at their first jobs. 2k for 30 min is a lot of money.

[QUOTE=FruitNinja;1396087]I tried both venues and had no issue. What do you mean "been caught?" Didn't see anything on stickmans. Link?[/QUOTE]In this week column. Nothing strange really, I don't know why we're talking about this.

[quote]The work permit-less Englishman who managed one of the big beer bars at the top of Soi Nana was visited by the boys in brown and told to stop working immediately. The police were relaxed about it, giving him the option to stop there and then for which that would be the end of it, with no problems. The question that is now being asked is whether the other foreign bar managers in Soi Nana will be so lucky and get the same warning.[/quote]

[quote=Scorchin1470]No. The world has moved on and the days of $10 working girls has passed. There is such a thing as inflation and the Thai girls don't worry about exchange rates merely that what cost them.

Baht 1, 000 fifteen years ago now costs them Baht 2, 000. Market forces, dear boy.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=DRRonin;1396260]You really don't have a clue as to what you are writing about do you? 2, 000 baht is still a very large amount of money in this country. Especially for an hours work. The minimum wage which a large pct of women are making in Thailand is 300 baht a day. That is for working 12 hours a day in a factory or at your friendly 7-11 or a fast food joint. The jump in girl prices has little to do with inflation. It is supply and demand. Supply has been diminishing and demand has been growing thus the ability for girls to raise their prices and get away with it. But even so, what makes no sense to me is a go-go in which all the girls are asking for the same amount of money because the quality differential is enormous. Are you going to pay the same amount for an older chunky girl and a beauty? Probably not. Market forces, dear boy.[/QUOTE]Afraid you both are missing the point. That is not if inflation has caused prices to go up (certainly true) , or if 2K is "a lot of money for 30 minutes of work" (that it is, and is not, at the same time). We can talk about this until we're blue in the face and would not make a difference. Think a Thai lady trying to understand and discuss why her sponsor has stopped sending money. That is what one of us becomes if unable to move on.

Fact: these are now the asking prices, and in most cases girls are sticking to their guns. Fair, unfair, smart of stupid doesn't change a thing, if you have a way to lessen you mongering costs, use it, otherwise bite the bullet (that does NOT include paying 15K to a Spasso lady, please don't), or stay home.

But get off the squirrel wheel because it doesn't bring you anywhere.

[QUOTE=Jp Slicky; 1396205]I am a white american. I am more to the liking of FLs than bar fine since I control the gold.

Sure there are plenty of Jappers that go there but pale face has just a good a chance of walking out of there with a nice looking lady as the Japper. I did and I do not consider myself good looking either. I look for the ones not dressed to kill. If their attire seems out of place with the so called sexy look, then I am on them.

When I was there in Late December 2012, there was at least 100 ladys inside looking to get laid and paid at the same time. This was a Tuesday night too.

I drift between there and Beer Garden. Even at Beer Garden, the quality is there although there are some who should consider retirement[/QUOTE]Same as I posted and now it's March, and still at least 100 girls in there. I got some nice looking girls out of there too and GFE not too bad.

So like I said it might be worth a look if your passing by. I paid 2K LT and if you want to do some bargaining I think you could get the price down, but I wanted them so I paid it. It was early in the evening too though. Definitely get a deal at 1 am.

Cheers

[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2; 1395538]I do not think it is the time of year, since this has never been a slow period on my past visits. I believe it's a anomaly. Dr. BJ lives in BKK, so he could have some insight.

AT2[/QUOTE]There are fewer tourists in Bangkok generally compared to one year ago. Beer bar owners have told me their numbers are significantly less than they were 12 months ago.

Regards,

BJ

[quote=harold444; 1396279]you are my new god!

so you do see it makes no sense for a 3rd or 4th tier girl to ask for same amount as superstar (who ask 2500 and get it- no problem).

it really makes one wonder if the ugly girls realize this or not. , i have the solution for all girl who complain no customer-lower your freaking price. you will get more customers, maybe not many (you still unattractive) but more. lol.[/quote]so you think your so-clled 'ugly' girl is going to admit to others that she is 'ugly' and will therefore charge less. no way any girl is going to break ranks in any given environment. wgs have their pride. no way is any wg going to walk out in front of here peers and admit / let them find out that she went for less than the going rate. that is life.

maybe she will move to a less pretentious place and charge less.

to boldly go where no man has gone before.

Ok, not exactly where no farang has gone before, but at least farangs are definately a minority at Sutthisan nightlife area. Didn't matter to me I'd like to get to know to this part of Bangkok's nightlife.

So I took a taxi from Ratchadamri Road to Sutthisan Road. It took 15 minutes and 90 THB, but not only after I had been rejected by two drivers and one driver who wanted to get 200 THB flat.

It was 9:45 pm when I arrived but even there were plenty of taxis coming and going and guys getting on and off the taxis and then disappearing quickly. The roads in front of the bars were rather uncrowded especially compared to NEP or Soi Cowboy.

So I walked up and down a little bit to get to know the area and the first difference to other gog areas that came up was that noone was approaching me to get into their bar. They all looked at me but didn't say anything. Finally I came back to T-DED 99, got a big "hello my friend" from the guy at the door and I went in.

Was kinda dark inside, a huge hall with 2 stages and a lot of seats and tables in between, like at a diner's. So he guided me to table next to the stage, I sat down and ordered a beer. As written before a huge bottle with extra ice. Unfortunately then I made a mistake, when he asked if Iwanted to get a girl. I reply no, no yet. So he went away and was never seen again, as well as I wasn't approached by one of the numerous mamasans and papasans. From time to time a waitress showed up to ill up my glass. It wasn't all too bad, because I'd enjoy my time to checking to scene. On the stages there 2 girls dancing at the same time, with a change of one girl any 5 to 10 minutes. Actually I read somewhere here that at the bars at Sutthisan the girls were really dancing instead of the Bangkok shuffle, but from what I could see there was not much difference in the dancing style.

The girls themself were rather young and rather sexy, maybe not really top acts in Baccara or Rainbow 4 but really cute and sexy. Actually I ddin't see a girl that was older then late 20's or chubby. The average look of the girls at T-DED99 was much better than at NEP or Soi Cowboy. The all wore bikins and high boots, but no nudity the time I was there. I didn't count the girls but I guess at least 50 to 60 girls in the bar. The girls that didn't dance nor sit with a guest were sitting together either chatting or playing with their mobile phone.

If you want to talk to one the girls you tell the mamasan / papasan who you want to talk or let mamasan / papasan make a proposal. Then the girl comes, makes a wai, the guy can take a look and say it's ok or not. If it's ok the girl sits down, if not she walks away and mamasan / papasans gets a new girl.

It seemed, but I might be wrong about it, that first of all it was all about socializing with drinking together, chatting together and having a good time. Sanuk, sanuk. And just after that then there might be some sexual background.

Finally I realized that on that given night I wouldn't get a girl so I went off.

On the other side of the street I was already greeted by a rather young and kind of good looking mamasan from Harlem Nights who waved me in. Harlem Nights in much smaller with less girls. Maybe about 25 girls. The "quality" of the girls is a little bit worse than T-DED99, but not by too much. At Harlem nights you have big stage for dancing and a couple of tables and seats in front of it. So I got my seat, oredered a beer and when mamasan asked me if I wanted to have a girl I was smarter then the last time and said yes. Lessons learned. So she quickly came back with a tall girl, quite good looking, mid 20's. But obvioulsy mamasan didn't do her due dilligence, because the girl sat down next to me but didn't look at me, didn't say anything, just telling me her name, as I asked for it. Then she disappeared for dancing. And never came bar. In any other bar this is rather unimaginable, but here I kind of expected something like that. Nothing to let me down, just dealing with it.

Mamasan quickly came back with another girl. Not a good looking one (some might say ugly) , like the first one, but obviously eager to join farang. Greeted me with a wai, had a big smile on her face and sat next to me. She was 29 years old from Chiang Rai, rather small size and rather chubby (some might say fat) , her english was next to nothing but she was very talkative. Even my thai isn't too good, it was still good enough to have good time chatting with her. From time to time mamasan had to come to translate but we mostly got it done ourselves.

After a while mamasan approached me again and asked if I want to take out the girl, she'd love to go with me. 1.500 THB shorttime. 2.000 THB longtime. Well she wasn't really my type of girl, but I wasn't in the mood to go elsewhere to pickup someone. So I made the longtime deal, even I had in my mind that I problably would let her go early. When mamasan told her about the deal she was very happy, picked her stuff and off we went.

I will spare you what happened at the hotel, it was a complete desaster. Obviously farangs's requirements of sexual services are much different than from thai man. I sat her free after 30 minutes and a faked orgasm from me. 'Nough said.

Resume: I was ignored, I was rejected and I had bad sex with a fat and ugly girl. But still I loved the experience. The atmosphere is completey different than at the bars at NEP or Soi Cowboy. It was relaxed and hasslefree with lots of young and sexy girls. And if you can speak decent thai you can probably have a great time even if you are farang.

Will I be back? Yes, probably or maybe. I don't know yet.

I have been reading some of the Thailand Forums on this site as well as all the FKK Forums. Haven't travelled to both the places. IF someone can please let me know what is better Thailand vs germany for mongering. Purely mongering. And Whats makes it the best and why? Thanks

[QUOTE=GooberMonger; 1395599]A picture is worth a thousand words. Love my LBFMs.

Cheers[/QUOTE]Would you care to share from where and maybe a number or name? TIA.

[QUOTE=LoverboyJerico;1396358]I have been reading some of the Thailand Forums on this site as well as all the FKK Forums. Haven't travelled to both the places. IF someone can please let me know what is better Thailand vs germany for mongering. Purely mongering. And Whats makes it the best and why? Thanks[/QUOTE]It boils down to cost, if you are living in Europe you have to add in an airfare as opposed to petrol for the car. The cost of everything in Thailand is less, much less than in Germany, and there are willing young ladies in their thousands happy to put out for you. There are few places for bareback orgies in Thailand, but plenty of girls willing to go bareback with you, but inflicting pain is not part of the thai psyche, it all has to be fun for everyone, so if kinky is what you seek, better stay with Germany. Good hotels are cheap in Thailand also, but the longer you stay the more days you spread the airfare over.

[QUOTE=Zauberfee;1396347]I will spare you what happened at the hotel, it was a complete desaster. Obviously farangs's requirements of sexual services are much different than from thai man. I sat her free after 30 minutes and a faked orgasm from me. 'Nough said.[/QUOTE]Please explain some more. I think that part is the most important. In what way is there a difference?

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1396395]Please explain some more. I think that part is the most important. In what way is there a difference?[/QUOTE]May I try. The Thai idea of mongering, as shared by people of most other Asian countries as well, is basically of two types.

The quick way in a cheap brothel, doing the basic act in a disgusting room. No communication and no fun are needed or expected, for this purpose they will take Laos ladies or anything else available.

The classy, expensive way, starting in a Coyote or Karaoke club, dragging it on the sofa for hours, bragging and talking about nothing. Keep in mind to get into the panties of most attractive girls, repeated visits are needed, with the associated expenses. Just like some Westerns, actually Thai think that spending a lot of money in these places is a status symbol and expression of masculine power.

In both of the above types, typically a Thai monger is not much worried about quality or duration of the experience. He's a lot more worried about, in rough order: the girl looks and age, to look good with his friends, to not catch any disease, being able to return home with some credible excuse, and that the girl won't give any trouble later on. Actually quite often (as well Westerners do) he is happy enough to be in the room alone with the girl, drunkly sharing confession about his sentimental life, and receiving "woman's advice".

Compare this to all the stuff that "we" want instead. The GFE, the PSE, the SGE (Sponsored Girl Experience) and you will see the difference, and why is that going to places that cater to Thai men is very likely to leave "us" unsatisfied.