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[QUOTE=Mr Gogo;1397312]A few girls that I picked up on beach road said they were prepared to turn me down because my brown skin made them believe I was Indian. I asked why? They said" the Indian guys travel in packs and are rude, she also said they all try to fuck for the price of one". I have no problem with Indians but I paid attention after she said this. I witnessed two indians getting cussed out on beach road by working girls. I also noticed as she said that they would negotiate in packs. This confused me. Why are they trying to fuck in packs? Whats up with the lack of basic respect? Is this just a boys vacation for them to take advantage as much as possible then joke about it later? Maybe its good for me that they play this way because it appears they only kill their options.[/QUOTE]Last few BKK trips I've been in the usual Nana and Cowboy bars and quite common to see 4 guys and one girl having a LD with then. Equally, well know amongst the girls that if she goes back to the room with an indian fellow, he may have 3 brothers / cousins / friends all waiting in the room.

Try negotiating a business deal with an Indian company. The ceo, chairman, chairmans monther, brother cousin, etc will all be involved all aimed at wearing you down. Tried and tested technique.

[QUOTE=Giotto; 1397062]I am not really sure whether I shall believe this numbers from the government agencies. I have my doubts.

Another problem is that nearly all bars and massage parlours have problems to recruit new girls. There is a massive shortage of girls. All bar owners with a business model that is based on girls / bar fines are complaining. In many gogo bars there are now coyote girls dancing, that are hired from specific recruitment agencies. Those girls dance, but they don't go with customers.

The higher quality girls have nearly disappeared from the well known farang-driven red light districts. Most of the girls that apply for jobs here at Livingstone's Lodge will NOT be hired. Because they simply don't fit in here. Behavior that disgusting, no style, it's unbelievable what's left on the market. The higher quality girls are now working in Japanese clubs (more money) and in the high end massage parlours of Rhatchadapisek and Phetchaburi Road. They charge THB 3, 500. 00. THB 7, 000. 00 per session.

Giotto.

[URL]http://www.livingstoneslodge.com[/URL][/QUOTE]Another reason there seems to be fewer good looking providers around is that they are working abroad. I met a girl the other night in Bangkok Beat who had just returned from Singapore where she had made over 100, 000 the previous month, well that's what she told me. She was intelligent, elegantly dressed, early thirties, spoke fluent English and while not a raving beauty had that street smarts confidence that made her look attractive. She spends a month in Singapore on a tourist visa and works for an agency that can supply as many customers as she can handle. She told me her record was 8 in a single day. Her fee while in Bangkok was 3000 for ST (3 hours) or 5000 till 10 in the morning with as much sex as you wanted whatever way you wanted. I was tempted but passed as it all seemed a bit too business like but I had no doubt before the night was out she would find a punter.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1397299]One of the wonders of Bangkok. That patpong night market. I stroll thru there about twice a week. Is there enough sales to support all the vendors? They all sell the same same things! I don't see shoppers shopping like on sukhumvit.

As far as girls goes Patpong sucks. Any one have different opionion. I'm willing to listen. LOL.[/QUOTE]I'd agree Patpong sucks, I get tired of all the aggro ping pong ball touts. I usually tell them sorry, I don't know how to play ping pong, and I get this crazy look from them.

I wonder how all those mobile phone and mobile phone accessories shops at MBK survive. They all pretty much look the same to me! I remember when the Ipad Mini came out they were selling them for higher price then the Authorized stores were selling them just a few steps down the hallway LOL

[QUOTE=FreebieFan; 1397465]Last few BKK trips I've been in the usual Nana and Cowboy bars and quite common to see 4 guys and one girl having a LD with then. Equally, well know amongst the girls that if she goes back to the room with an indian fellow, he may have 3 brothers / cousins / friends all waiting in the room.

Try negotiating a business deal with an Indian company. The ceo, chairman, chairmans monther, brother cousin, etc will all be involved all aimed at wearing you down. Tried and tested technique.[/QUOTE]The problem with regards the Indian traveller is manifold. With increase in disposable incomes and travel costs to the LOS being so low, you have a large multitude of people landing up. Lack of self confidence (not to be confused with money) makes them move around in groups. Never have they seen so many WG and in the open (try getting to a WG in Mumbai-not only are they pricey but also show big time attitude) , that they have no idea how to act. Of course, this does not condone their public behavior, at times extremely obnoxious.

Having said that there are a good number of Indian punters whom I have met, who not only well mannered and classy, but also show and receive respect to one and all, including the WGs'. A must for getting any decent service.

Am not in agreement re: comment on negotiating business deals. I have seldom seem such a high level of business acumen as with many of the Indian companies.

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[quote=nuru guru;1397265]franciscass i'm sorry to communicate to you about the price of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s. they increased it from 700 to 800 before dr bj salon even opened on soi 7/1. i'm sure of this.[/quote]wrong! [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] only increased the price last year to 800b. so guru i will 'communicate' to you. lol!

The ongoing mood is right. Bangkok is not anymore what it was, and chances are it will never be again.

What a difference compared to just two years ago, when young, dressed up and sexy SWs were standing in hordes as one exited down the tollway to get to Nana. I went to the same place and there are only buses parked there now.

Or when I did go to Insanity with a lady from Pattaya, and it was easy to get the number of another beauty in three seconds then go dining the following day, the rest it did not happen but was not a matter of money or bad attitude, not at all. I did go yesterday and most girls are either plain ugly, or kinda hardcore, or not inviting, on top of that the male / female ratio is all wrong. The only good note, getting in from the restaurant works and saves one 140 B. On the 1st drink.

There, I picked a very average looking one for 1500, only to send her back home with 300 afters things started going downhill very quickly. Standard request is 2K, rendered performances is a bet.

Nana liquid was not any better. Bamboo is scaring from outside already. Fill here other FL places if you know.

Some of the girls sitting by Nana parking may look cute, but they come inexperienced and practical zero will to please. Letting language issue aside.

Then you can stroll Sukhumvit up and down all night but I unless you've got twisted tastes, there will be nothing palatable.

About bars, spa's and go-go's, to which normally I don't go, others have given us the lowdown already.

Which options are we left with? Make a move with the maid, or probably just getting deeper wallets.

[QUOTE=Seaham1900;1397203]Firstly I didn't like the vibe in the place neither the lobby nor the room. There was no atmosphere such as you have in places like Star of Light in Patpong. It was clean but personally I feel a blow job bar needs a touch of seediness[/QUOTE]I understand you have a prefrence for other venues. I posted this response on Monday 10 March.

You prefer Lollita's, lollipop or star of light due to looks and service, that is perfectly fine with me. We offer a different environment to these places. Some people have come to the Salon and told me they didn't enjoy the experience because the place is too clean, fine. The world would be a strange place if we were all attracted to the same type of lady.

[QUOTE=Seaham1900;1397203]Secondly and this has been mentioned elsewhere I don't need to pay a 1000 baht more like 700 for similar service in surroundings more to my liking.[/QUOTE]Several other board members have chipped in on this debate as well and I completely agree with their stance. If you don't want to pay 1,000 baht for a blow-job then don't, it's really that simple. Go somewhere that offer 700 baht blow-jobs in an environment more to your liking. I know of ultra seedy places in China town where you can pay 200 baht for FS. If it is purely a price orientated stance you have then I would advise going to places other than Sukhumvit which is far from the cheapest in town.

[QUOTE=Seaham1900;1397203]The forum seems to be divided between those that have issues with the owner and those who come to his rescue when he gets bad press. He does seem to get easily angered by posts not to his liking and most likely this will get his back up, Perhaps he feels that by insulting people who don't like his place they will not post negative reviews, but like it or lump this was my experience.[/QUOTE]Other board members are free to post what ever they want and I can assure everyone I have absolutely zero influence over any other board member, to believe otherwise is selling them short I think. To be honest I don't get easily angered by anything in life any more.

Allow me to make a distinction here. There have been posts by BM's who have visited one of my premises and not been completely satisfied. They have posted this in a very mature and objective way, I have complete respect for these people as they are upfront and honest. 100% customer satisfaction is next to imposible to achieve especially over a long period of time. In your own words "Perhaps he feels that by insulting people who don't like his place they will not post negative reviews". Please feel free to go through my posts and show me one instance where I have insulted anyone for a negative post concerning a visit to one of my premises. I freely admit I have hit back or rebuked spiteful attacks aimed at me personally and I believe I am perfectly entitled to do so. I hope you can see the stark distinction I am trying to demonstrate between personal attacks and less than flattering reviews about a visit to one of my venues. I don't think that this forum is intended for these type of vendetas.

Finally and on a more light hearted note someone actually PM'd me to ask if Franciscass was actually me using a different name. Again I would like to assure everyone the only name I use is Dr BJ.

Regards,

BJ

[QUOTE=Marcos; 1397564]The ongoing mood is right. Bangkok is not anymore what it was, and chances are it will never be again.

What a difference compared to just two years ago, when young, dressed up and sexy SWs were standing in hordes as one exited down the tollway to get to Nana. I went to the same place and there are only buses parked there now.

Or when I did go to Insanity with a lady from Pattaya, and it was easy to get the number of another beauty in three seconds then go dining the following day, the rest it did not happen but was not a matter of money or bad attitude, not at all. I did go yesterday and most girls are either plain ugly, or kinda hardcore, or not inviting, on top of that the male / female ratio is all wrong. The only good note, getting in from the restaurant works and saves one 140 B. On the 1st drink.

There, I picked a very average looking one for 1500, only to send her back home with 300 afters things started going downhill very quickly. Standard request is 2K, rendered performances is a bet.

Nana liquid was not any better. Bamboo is scaring from outside already. Fill here other FL places if you know.

Some of the girls sitting by Nana parking may look cute, but they come inexperienced and practical zero will to please. Letting language issue aside.

Then you can stroll Sukhumvit up and down all night but I unless you've got twisted tastes, there will be nothing palatable.

About bars, spa's and go-go's, to which normally I don't go, others have given us the lowdown already.

Which options are we left with? Make a move with the maid, or probably just getting deeper wallets.[/QUOTE]It is obviously we live in different worlds when it comes to Bangkok and its freelancemarket. I have been rather active in this market the last 7-8 years, so naturaly I can not speak of how things were prior to this. I can also admit I have not been so much in the Nana parking but been in the area browsing and walking. My normal pickup places (Climax, CM2, Bangkok Beat, Thermae, Insomnia (infinity) , Mixx, Shock, Spasso, Beer Garden, Gullivers, Q-bar, Levels (rather new) and on rare occations RCA are and Route66 and so on. I have also sometimes (not so often) picked up girls from the streets but I have been around so I can spot them from a distance as well even if I don't pick them. I also like to add in almost 50% of my time spend in BKK I have a fairly number of regular girls I like to hang out and in with to add certain normality into my life. I am in BKK 10 to 15 times a year (avarage) so I would say I am in possition to atleast add my 2 cents when it comes to quote actual poster.

I have in all honesty not seen a dramatic change when it comes to number of ladies and beauty (and yes I am aware that beauty is in the eye of the beholder). Even prices haven't changed much in my listed places. There are no problem to meet girls ranging from 6 to 9 in these places. Prices may vary from from location to location but have been the same many years (I talk about girlprices).

So even if I never have seen the hordes of SW around Nana I still feel there are atleast the same ammount of girls to choose from in my type of mongering. Evenings in Soi 11 I also see a lot of street girls ready for pick up. You also have quite a lot of girls standing outside Thermae and I see some pick up girls every now and then walking from Soi 11 toward Soi 3 (odd number side). But this is not meant to argue your post just enlighten readers of my observations as I think things are not so negative. And Elena sitting outside Subway in Soi 7 will allways be around.

Ofcourse Thailand in the future will change and most likely to worse for us with untreatable mongerhabits. But so far still good.

I pay on avarage 3K for LT sessions exp from Spasso (4 to 6K LT). LT sessions are without timelimitations but will range from an allnighter until, in rare cases, the break of afternoon. ST sessions (and in my case mostly for daytime use) I pay 1 to 2K. Mostly picked up from Beergarden or Gullivers (late afternoon).

Thanks Skogies, your help is appreciated . I'll check out the places you mentioned.

It used to be that falangs who moved here had money. Old soldiers, government workers, big pensions, etc. Girls used to believe they could meet a nice guy. Move back home, and live the dream. Which is eating and texting.

Now the falangs that live here are lost souls. Crazy men with very few morals. Not here to raise a family, not here to make a great fortune, just here to raise fucking hell. Horny White Devils. That is why girlfriend effect is dying. They know you are not the one, they know you will probably never give them money again.

Just a few years ago I remember going to the nightclubs, and before the night was over a good looking girl would have her tongue in my mouth. And I would do nothing but walk around drunk in shorts and sandals. It is not like that now, and it never will be again.

A far cry from what I saw 2 years ago. Entrance was BHT 250 on Sunday night with one drink free and at 10:30pm, I was the only customer. Even at midnight there were no more than 40/50 people with male to female ratio of 50/50. Both quality and quantity were seriously down but prices and arrogance shooting in the opposite direction. A slightly overweight 'ethnic Russian' from Uzbekistan asked for BHT 5000 ST / 10, 000 LT. She quick dropped to BHT 4000ST / 8000LT with warning that no further discount possible. Please note that the use of words 'ethnic Russian' were hers and not mine. Although, her face looked Slavic but I could not understand why she was so keen on distancing herself from Uzbeks.

Most notable was a tall literally breakable slim Thai. She asked for USD 300 ST and would not budge. Another cute Thai, although not as breakable as the first one, started from USD200 and then dropped and dropped and dropped and finally agreed BHT 2000 ST. Once out of CM2 she had her own ultra decorated Honda Civic. Her English was not good. In hotel she turned out to be a cold (frozen) fish. After a long mechanical boring session she left with no tip.

Monday was ladies night I. E. No entrance fee plus a free drink. I thought it may attract better crowd but unfortunately the same stock as Sunday. So I quickly left for Sukhumvit hunting

Both quality and quantity significantly improved from pervious visit about one and half year ago. 5-7 gather by the side of the over head bridge after Subway at around midnight. After that they keep on patrolling the area between Sukhumvit 3 to 7 till 3-4 am. Many of them may even pull your hands. Rates depend upon your bargaining skill but usually range from BHT1000 – BHT 1500.