FKK FAQ

[QUOTE=HessenBub;1966911]5 remaining minutes aren't an issue. 5 minutes over the time might be. You pay for the time, not the result, it doesn't matter if you finish or not, if you had pleasure or not, you pay. If you are at 35 min the girl might demand another 50. So keep an eye on the watch if you don't know the girl.

HB.[/QUOTE]Sorry Hessen Bub we will never be on the same line, I was at World this Saturday had very very good sessions spent 900 euros (a lot of money but small compared to Escort) and met great girls, open clean, cool etc. Why should I focus on the time I got more than I wanted.

[QUOTE=Jnpr30;1967364]wishing that the clubs were walled off from tourists a la modern day ISG Trumpista. Well, that would never solve their problem anyway, because in the absence of these well spending generous tourists, many of these clubs would be populated only with a hundred Sylvanas. [/QUOTE]Nope. There's plenty of Ro and Bu girls. For them 50€ I still a lot of money. Less tourists = better service. Look at the clueless Messe visitors spending way too much for a standard session. Less tourists = less clubs, maybe. Wouldn't mind that.

Look at inflation in Germany in total over the last 15 years, not at isolated good like PaySex.

HB.

[QUOTE=HessenBub;1967599]Nope. There's plenty of Ro and Bu girls. For them 50 I still a lot of money. Less tourists = better service. Look at the clueless Messe visitors spending way too much for a standard session. Less tourists = less clubs, maybe. Wouldn't mind that.

Look at inflation in Germany in total over the last 15 years, not at isolated good like PaySex.

HB.[/QUOTE]Just to clarify, my comment was not directed at you, and you are generally very helpful and I have not seen you taking "gratuitous" and cheap shots at "tourists", and you are a true local anyway. You do have a different opinion than mine which is fine. I guess my view is closer to that of Craiova, in that markets work and there is not much to prevent them from working.

We went through the less tourists equals better service last week; obviously, there is no empirical way to prove it. You can show that service was better in years past, although you have also said elsewhere there have been scammers and upsellers even a decade ago. There are clubs today with a lot less tourist traffic, but service levels (to the extent they can be even measured objectively and where most people agree about such things) seem to follow fluctuate randomly and not strictly correlated to the amount of tourist traffic in a linear manner. This is based just on my read of what people say on ISG. And there is no way to know if service levels, if they did indeed decline, did so due to more tourist traffic or because prices stayed stagnant in a world of natural inflation.

As for Messe visitors, I think the analogy is to price gouging, like when merchants hike prices of simple staples to ridiculous amounts during natural calamities like floods, etc. It is not just a tourist thing. Does a local obtain a cheaper price than a tourist on messe nights? I am not talking about tourists who simply do not know the price structure and pay 200 for a BBBJ. Such people can be scammed anytime, and not just on messe nights.

[QUOTE=Bitumen;1967338]
Comparing this example of a local, the reality is that YamaYama spends over 10 times what this local spends on a girl in a day. (maths is 92.7 possible sessions divided by 9 days is 10.3 per day). This makes economically, YamaYama's wallet 10 times more valuable than the regular locals when he is in the club.[/QUOTE]Obviously, but still lots of girls like to screw over some of these tourists. Not considering the chances of these high value tourists returning in 6 or even 12 months.

[QUOTE=Jnpr30;1967364]it is the ISG members cursing the tourists and acting like he alone sets service standards. As if the clubs are their personal fiefdom and wishing that the clubs were walled off from tourists a la modern day ISG Trumpista. Well, that would never solve their problem anyway, because in the absence of these well spending generous tourists, many of these clubs would be populated only with a hundred Sylvanas.[/QUOTE]I agree that the Tourists are what keeping some of these clubs going hence clubs like Oase focusing on foreign travelers. Notice how many websites are in both English and German and increasingly also in other languages. Then you have the plethora of Asian sex travel forums like ISG as well as blogs by Asian customers of the FKKs spreading the news.

The other thing to note is that there are a lot of tourists who are visiting the clubs over 100 times a year. This number of club visits is more than many locals would make. Sirioja is a case in point since he claims to make over 100 club visits annually. Then I know for sure German tourists from outside of Hessen who travel to Hessen for the FKK clubs having the same logistical issues as Tourists from France, Netherlands, Belgium or Norway.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;1967559]Sorry Hessen Bub we will never be on the same line, I was at World this Saturday had very very good sessions spent 900 euros (a lot of money but small compared to Escort) and met great girls, open clean, cool etc. Why should I focus on the time I got more than I wanted.[/QUOTE]Good for you. But doesn't apply for a newbie with a focus on 30 min sessions. That's all I stated. You do whatever you like.

HB.

Just curious.

Are there any one who goes to FKK clubs just to relax without taking any girls to the room?

If a monger goes to FKK clubs and simply watch the naked girls as if it is a free naked show, will the monger be blacklisted by the club or the girls?

He pays the entrance fee only and never takes any girls to the room.

Will he be blacklisted by the club or the girls?

It's fine. You won't be blacklisted. Plenty of guys do it. Some girls won't like it, but it's fine.

I've seen locals come for the food and company, just to watch football. Heck, I met a couple where the woman came just to get a massage!

I've met a North American who was too shy or prudish to fuck and just sat in a corner and stared at the girls. He was kind of a dork. The girls eventually learned to ignore him.

I've been at a club a few times, too spent from a trip the day before, and left without going to a room with anyone.

[QUOTE=SoloTraveler;1976347]Just curious.

Are there any one who goes to FKK clubs just to relax without taking any girls to the room?

If a monger goes to FKK clubs and simply watch the naked girls as if it is a free naked show, will the monger be blacklisted by the club or the girls?

He pays the entrance fee only and never takes any girls to the room.

Will he be blacklisted by the club or the girls?[/QUOTE]

Solo, it's simple. If you are new, more girls will come up to you (since they have not seen your before) or give you some signals from a distance. Depending on the club different degrees. After a few attempts (depending on the girl how many attemps) they will just give up (since there are many other punters around, why waste their time keep going after no prospects?) except the persistent ones or new girls that has not seen you. And if the girls notice you don't room on many visits, they'the probably figure you won't room on the next so no point in putting in further efforts.

And then, if you decide on a visit you'the like to session, find a girl, and session. She may be thrilled you popped the cherry on her out of all the girls after not sessioning any girl. LOL.

[QUOTE=SoloTraveler;1976347]Just curious.

Are there any one who goes to FKK clubs just to relax without taking any girls to the room?

[/QUOTE]More than 50% of German locals did exactly what you said on every Sunday in FKK Sharks in the summer of 2016.

One guy who had only one room in his 15 hours stay was blacklisted last month.

[QUOTE=SoloTraveler;1976347]Just curious.

Are there any one who goes to FKK clubs just to relax without taking any girls to the room?

If a monger goes to FKK clubs and simply watch the naked girls as if it is a free naked show, will the monger be blacklisted by the club or the girls?

He pays the entrance fee only and never takes any girls to the room.

Will he be blacklisted by the club or the girls?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SoloTraveler;1976347]Are there any one who goes to FKK clubs just to relax without taking any girls to the room?[/QUOTE]Shed loads of them at Oceans on a Saturday night.

Okay. I have one more serious question here.

Please do not joke around.

As a non-EU passport holder, every time I fly to Germany, I will be asked some questions by the immigration officer.

"What is your purpose of visiting Germany?

Before, I never talked about my purpose of visiting FKK clubs or any P4P sex venues.

I just said "I come to Germany for vacation. I will visit Hesse, NRW, etc to enjoy the scenery and food."

However, next time, I do not want to drain my brain and make up stories about this.

Can I just say honestly "I come to Germany to visit the FKK clubs. I will go to clubs in Hesse, NRW, etc?"

As far as I know, FKK clubs are totally legal in Germany. Visiting a FKK club is like visiting a gym or a restaurant for Germany men. It is a normal and acceptable behavior. Am I right?

[QUOTE=SoloTraveler;1976347]Just curious.

Are there any one who goes to FKK clubs just to relax without taking any girls to the room?

If a monger goes to FKK clubs and simply watch the naked girls as if it is a free naked show, will the monger be blacklisted by the club or the girls?

He pays the entrance fee only and never takes any girls to the room.

Will he be blacklisted by the club or the girls?[/QUOTE]Many locals go to World, or Sharks on Wednesday or Sunday, only to relax, eat, drink, chat, have sauna, look at girls, but don't go to room. Clubs get their entry rate and some girls get so few business to pay entry around 100. At the moment, most of girls look for business.

[QUOTE=Ableyone;1976537]Shed loads of them at Oceans on a Saturday night.[/QUOTE]Or at Sharks on a Sunday. Especially if the weather is fine.