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I have mongered in BKK couple of times and have been a sucker of A+ services offered by some of the oilies there. Never been to Pattaya.
Now coming to Thailand for couple of days. Would really appreciate if some one can share difference between BKK and Pattaya in terms of mongering. Quality of girls, prices, kind of services offered etc.
I find it hard to compare the FKK experience to that of Pattaya / BKK. The venue and overall vibe is so different, prices and expectations are different, etc. I've done quick hot sessions in both venues (Soi6 Pattaya and many FKKs) all the way to taking an FKK girl for several hours vs taking a girl from iBar or GoGo LT, and its really tough to make a direct comparison. I find the sex in thailand more 'genuine' if you find the right girl, but the median quality and hotness of the girls at FKKs I find much higher (if you like caucasian girls).
I just spent the past 2 weeks in Frankfurt, Koln, and Dusseldorf and the talent was abysmal. Maybe 1-3 nice girls at most clubs. Not sure when you guys were last in Germany. At some clubs like Sharks and Oase girls will no longer DFK you unless it's 100 euro minimum. Come July 1 I'm sure you can expect 100 euro minimum for BBBJ as well, possibly 150 minimum if you want both DFK and BBBJ. I'll offset the 60+ euro entry fee with the price of buying a few lady drinks and paying a bar fine. For 150 euro I get all night with a top gogo girl or 4 average looking soi 6 girls. I also don't have to die of boredom inside a FKK club when I am not in a room with a girl.
Also, as F1 fan points out and imo this is a more important factor than money, Thailand girls are way more genuine than mechanical Romanians.
Thursday was another board member's birthday. He told me to meet him at Candy Shop at midnight. I told 3 more buddies to meet me there at the same time. The other BM was not there so my other friends said they were going to go ahead to Sapphire. I waited 30 minutes but he still did not show up. I had one drink and went ahead to join the other guys at Sapphire. There were wall to wall women in that place. The people who say there is no quality in Pattaya obviously have not stepped foot in that place. One buddy lives in the same building as I do and had a chick sitting with him. He whispered to me that the chick also lives in our building. I remembered that I had met her in the elevator one night when she got off work a couple of months ago (I even posted about it here). I told her about it and she did not remember at all. Funny, since it seems these chicks never forget names and faces. I traded info with a waitress that I found irresistible. Barfine in this place was 1500 before midnight and 1000 after midnight, while the girl fee is 3000ST, 4000LT. I have never paid 5500 baht for a piece of pussy in my life, and doubt I ever will.
One of my buddies was itching to get to Misty's so we went ahead and left the other two guys in Sapphire. As soon as we walked in I saw a chick across the room in regular clothes drinking a beer. I went straight for her. Turns out she is friends (even though she spoke of her as her mother) with a mamasan there and came to visit, but the lady was not there. She said when she first came to Pattaya 5 years ago she worked at a bar on Soi 6 for 2 weeks when a guy from England came and saved her and started taking care of her. I do not know when that fell off, but she claims to work at a hotel in Jomtien now.
I ordered a cider and my buddy ordered a Schweppes. The girl was between us. Later on she was telling me how they kept asking her if she knew me and she said yes. Otherwise if I would have left out with her they would have wanted a barfine. (Sidenote: Friday I got a chick off Wechat that works freelance at a bar on Drinking Street. She said she goes there whenever she wants to but do not serve customers as the employees of the bar, but a guy has to pay a barfine if he wants her to leave with him.) At this point the manager started bringing us free drinks. She told me that she had 3 bottles of liquor saved at Lucifer but would have to go to her friend's bar on Soi 7 to get the ticket.
Meanwhile my buddy was playing wildly with a naked chick. There is a little sticky rubber thing that you throw at the chick's bare private parts. Damn Thailand. He decided to barfine the chick and go back to his condo. I had messaged a guy that I met last week and told him to come through Misty's. Right after my other friend left he showed up. I told him that we had to go get the ticket and to meet us at Lucifer in 30 minutes.
When we got to the bar on Soi 7 it was almost closing time. My girl got the ticket and two of her friends said they would come along shortly with a guy from Switzerland who was courting the best looking one. We got to Lucifer and they brought one of the bottles out along with mixers and ice which I paid 400 baht for. I noticed on the electronic billboard that they now have a VIP card. I asked the waitress about it and she showed me the menu where every drink purchased with a VIP card is 30 baht less. The VIP card is 300 baht, so it pays for itself in 10 drinks. I had her take me to the service desk and sign me up.
Meanwhile, my buddy was fucking with a chick from the table next to ours. When I got back from getting my VIP card my girl started going on about how the chick my buddy is with keeps looking at me and I can go with her if I want. I am like what the fuck? It was time for more mixers and when the bill came I remembered my new VIP card and tried to whip it out. My girl kept saying not to worry because the guy from Switzerland was paying for it. I said I don't give a fuck we can still get it for less. She insisted though. She still kept going on about that other chick. When the first bottle was empty they asked the waitress to bring the second. I said hell no that is enough. It was damn near 5 am. My girl said let's go then. Cool.
As we rode down Pattaya Tai, she wanted me to stop at the market for food. I said fuck that. Then she kept saying that she wants to go home. I said no way; you are coming to my place. We got to my place and she still kept talking about going home. We got in the room and got undressed and took showers then she started putting her clothes back on saying she was going home. I said fuck it then and put on my clothes and walked her outside. I jumped on my bike and went to Flexx to get another chick. This is why you do not stay out all night letting chicks get drunk.
Last night she hit me up saying that her friend reserved a VIP booth at Lucifer and asked if I wanted to come. I told her hell no. Next time I see her I do not want her to be drinking. I want her sober. She was going to come spend today with me and do couple stuff, but my chick from last night just left not long ago. Report on that coming soon.
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Also, as F1 fan points out and imo this is a more important factor than money, Thailand girls are way more genuine than mechanical Romanians.[/QUOTE]Yeh I am sure that Thai girls are much more genuinely turned on by fat old nice guys with plenty of money in the wallet, than European girls. LOL Actually I don't see that much difference, other than great GFE maybe slightly less common with Romanian girls. Certainly not guaranteed here in Thailand either.
Still I started doing Thailand, because the girls were way better fun than girls from my homeland, so I sort of agree. My homeland standard of hookers is generally very bad indeed, although maybe had a few really good ones, 30+ years ago, until eventually I found that the Asian girls were the best choice.
For orgasmic girls, I find it FKK and Thai girls not that different. More depends on the guy and how many cums she had lately, or how many more guys she still has to fuck today, or whether she has a BF, etc. Maybe Thai girls are a bit hornier on average. LOL.
There is no doubt that Thai girls can be a lot cheaper when you want extended time, so all night instead of 1 hour with an FKK girl is quite possible. However Quality was the actual issue.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2043428]What do you mean by "the quality"? I am going to have to assume you mean looks of the face, since FKK has some girls with really great bodies, and also some girls with skills far superior to normal gogo girls. So that leaves the fact that very few FKK girls have a stunning face, and yet, very few gogo girls have a stunning face also. So I am puzzled. Perhaps your FKK experience was too limited. A few were really dream girls for me, especially the skills and GFE. Others had really great bodies of near perfection. For gogo girls, sometimes a great GFE, but super skills? Hardly meet that, if ever.
Finally a thought dawns on me. Perhaps you mean the average standard of looks in the line up was higher than the average in an FKK club. The average standard means so little to me. I concentrate on the best few in any venue. If the rest are largely buffaloes, it doesn't matter to me. There are probably a lot less fake noses in an FKK. LOL. That is definitely a plus.[/QUOTE]I love Germany and had some great times there but I'm changing over to Pattaya and I'll try and explain why. I doubt I'll ever visit an FKK ever again.
I will try my best to explain my preferences. Once we get to the point of being able to pick from 100's of universally attractive women I think that what is "quality" then becomes rather subjective.
Pattaya ladies feel more like real ladies, while the FKK girls feel like strippers. I think in both environments you will find great girls. I happen to prefer Pattaya at the moment. In Germany there are several large FKK clubs, within 100 kms of each other, I feel Pattaya has a similar number of girls, in one street. Nowhere in Germany can you find the volume and quality of women as available on walking street. Some of these ladies on walking street are legitimately in their very early 20's. And they are a sweet as sugar. I have never seen anything like it. In Germany you might find one, maybe two girls in their very early 20's who do not yet have the "hooker" look, in Pattaya I felt like at every GoGo there were at least two or three girls who could have come straight from university and you wouldn't know the difference. The girls in Pattaya were also in better shape, likely as a result of being young. Some guys are into silicone and porn star look and want to do a porn star experience. I just want to spend time with pretty ladies. Thai girls are delicate little dolls and while Romanian girls are amazing creatures, don't get me wrong, the femininity of Thai girls is simply breathtaking. I haven't felt such affection so strongly for another person in a long time. I can completely understand how some guys fall for the trap of marrying one and in the process losing everything.
Compared to FKK clubs, firstly my German is shit; I can speak it but I sound like a retard, making interaction with FKK girls difficult. Germans claim to be able to speak English but only some can speak it well enough to have a conversation. Pattaya girls will play, joke, talk and sit on your lap, without once mentioning "short time, long time". They have such amazing social skills that very few words are needed. If you buy the Pattaya girls a drink or two you can feel her up while she rubs your knob and you enjoy the show. Not happening in an FKK. FKK girls basically appear infront of you with hands out saying "money now". In Pattaya you call the shots, there is no pressure to bar fine and I never felt scammed by a girl. In Germany, you will get constant pressure to go to the room and at least one girl will be a dud performer. Drinks in FKK clubs are often expensive, while in Pattaya, you can drink cheaply and mess around and joke with the ladies until you're ready to go. Thai girls seem to know how to put me at ease and make me feel good.
As for the service a good service is the same as any service. Enthusiasm and obedience. When you ask your waiter to get you another drink is it acceptable to say "no my feet are tired? The Thai girls however, consistently go beyond that and deliver stellar service. For your information I don't DATY, I don't kiss working ladies and I am not concerned with how long they stay the next day as long as I get my two shots.
The service is however, impeccable. I had one lady, probably late 20's, legitimately with a little bit of "cushion" and I took her into my hotel and put it straight into her ass. No genuine complaints, no "extra charge" of double the session price, she even pretended that it hurt and after said "you kill my ass" or something similar. I showed her some Thai on my phone which basically said "you are telling fibs" and she did one of those weird little excited half dances that girls do and laughed. In FKK club service is often lacking and extra charges apply. In Pattaya all you need to do is say the word "anal x,xxx baht" and no worries.
Another girl, very early 20's, sucked my dick for almost an hour, then we fucked, I came, then she sucked my dick for what felt like an hour until I came again, this time in her mouth. She had sperm dripping down her chin. I told her to "swallow" firmly and she was cute as hell and shook her head to say "no" and then I said "only joking" and she smacked me in the ass and ran off to the bathroom to spit it out. The point is, you can mess around with Thai girls, even if you're not funny (which I'm not and don't claim to be) and they'll act like you are the funniest man in the world, they play along and make you feel good. They seem to do this no matter what. Then they will lay in bed with you and act like you're old friends, show you pictures of "baby" and "sister" and generally just be ridiculously cute. One started watching her retarded Thai singing show in bed, then called her friend. These girls are so casual it is ridiculous. I don't know why but I found that cute. I agree with your comments that the average doesn't really exist, which is why I can safely say that what happened to me in Pattaya was vastly superior to any FKK experience. I too focus only on the one or two best, but finding that one or two best is so much easier in Pattaya. In an FKK I may find one or two girls in their early 20's in Pattaya it is guarantee.
Next we come to the price, in an FKK club, I go home alone. In Pattaya I spend the night, in my hotel, a nice hotel, with a lovely lady. The cost of Pattaya is not a lot either. People whine about 5,000 baht and I agree compared to a bar girl, it is a lot, but compared to an FKK experience, it is not. Let us say out of a LT with a Thai girl we get 4 hours of action, plus CIM. Which would be 450 euro plus entry of 80 = 530 euro plus one dud performer = 580 euro = 655 USD + 60 USD for cab fare, plus 113 USD for hotel so around $828. In Pattaya. $185 USD for the girl (5,000 + 1,000 BF + 500 drinks) hotel $40 USD (get deals online) +10 USD for cabs (you're not getting a meter taxi in pattaya with a girl, and the girls won't wait for uber) = $235. And at the end of it I feel like a king more relaxed than I have been in 20 years.
This post relates only to Pattaya, I can't stand Bangkok for any more than a couple of days even though the mongering is good. Bangkok stresses me out too much.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;2043594]Because I'm sick and tired of the gogo and bar scene where most girls try to separate you from your money as quickly as possible.
It's much more fun and way cheaper to find girls on the internet.[/QUOTE]Oh I see, will look into that.
Mr Man Guy.
Thank you for reminding me why I love Thai girls soooo much.
Can't wait for my next trip.
Hotman.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2043731]Thursday was another board member's birthday. He told me to meet him at Candy Shop at midnight. I told 3 more buddies to meet me there at the same time. The other BM was not there so my other friends said they were going to go ahead to Sapphire. I waited 30 minutes but he still did not show up. I had one drink and went ahead to join the other guys at Sapphire. There were wall to wall women in that place. The people who say there is no quality in Pattaya obviously have not stepped foot in that place. One buddy lives in the same building as I do and had a chick sitting with him. He whispered to me that the chick also lives in our building. I remembered that I had met her in the elevator one night when she got off work a couple of months ago (I even posted about it here). I told her about it and she did not remember at all. Funny, since it seems these chicks never forget names and faces. I traded info with a waitress that I found irresistible. Barfine in this place was 1500 before midnight and 1000 after midnight, while the girl fee is 3000ST, 4000LT. I have never paid 5500 baht for a piece of pussy in my life, and doubt I ever will.
One of my buddies was itching to get to Misty's so we went ahead and left the other two guys in Sapphire. As soon as we walked in I saw a chick across the room in regular clothes drinking a beer. I went straight for her. Turns out she is friends (even though she spoke of her as her mother) with a mamasan there and came to visit, but the lady was not there. She said when she first came to Pattaya 5 years ago she worked at a bar on Soi 6 for 2 weeks when a guy from England came and saved her and started taking care of her. I do not know when that fell off, but she claims to work at a hotel in Jomtien now.
I ordered a cider and my buddy ordered a Schweppes. The girl was between us. Later on she was telling me how they kept asking her if she knew me and she said yes. Otherwise if I would have left out with her they would have wanted a barfine. (Sidenote: Friday I got a chick off Wechat that works freelance at a bar on Drinking Street. She said she goes there whenever she wants to but do not serve customers as the employees of the bar, but a guy has to pay a barfine if he wants her to leave with him.) At this point the manager started bringing us free drinks. She told me that she had 3 bottles of liquor saved at Lucifer but would have to go to her friend's bar on Soi 7 to get the ticket.
Meanwhile my buddy was playing wildly with a naked chick. There is a little sticky rubber thing that you throw at the chick's bare private parts. Damn Thailand. He decided to barfine the chick and go back to his condo. I had messaged a guy that I met last week and told him to come through Misty's. Right after my other friend left he showed up. I told him that we had to go get the ticket and to meet us at Lucifer in 30 minutes.
When we got to the bar on Soi 7 it was almost closing time. My girl got the ticket and two of her friends said they would come along shortly with a guy from Switzerland who was courting the best looking one. We got to Lucifer and they brought one of the bottles out along with mixers and ice which I paid 400 baht for. I noticed on the electronic billboard that they now have a VIP card. I asked the waitress about it and she showed me the menu where every drink purchased with a VIP card is 30 baht less. The VIP card is 300 baht, so it pays for itself in 10 drinks. I had her take me to the service desk and sign me up.
Meanwhile, my buddy was fucking with a chick from the table next to ours. When I got back from getting my VIP card my girl started going on about how the chick my buddy is with keeps looking at me and I can go with her if I want. I am like what the fuck? It was time for more mixers and when the bill came I remembered my new VIP card and tried to whip it out. My girl kept saying not to worry because the guy from Switzerland was paying for it. I said I don't give a fuck we can still get it for less. She insisted though. She still kept going on about that other chick. When the first bottle was empty they asked the waitress to bring the second. I said hell no that is enough. It was damn near 5 am. My girl said let's go then. Cool.
As we rode down Pattaya Tai, she wanted me to stop at the market for food. I said fuck that. Then she kept saying that she wants to go home. I said no way; you are coming to my place. We got to my place and she still kept talking about going home. We got in the room and got undressed and took showers then she started putting her clothes back on saying she was going home. I said fuck it then and put on my clothes and walked her outside. I jumped on my bike and went to Flexx to get another chick. This is why you do not stay out all night letting chicks get drunk.
Last night she hit me up saying that her friend reserved a VIP booth at Lucifer and asked if I wanted to come. I told her hell no. Next time I see her I do not want her to be drinking. I want her sober. She was going to come spend today with me and do couple stuff, but my chick from last night just left not long ago. Report on that coming soon.[/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing MR E.
Proof that this kind of thing can happen even to the best of us. A coupe of trips back, on my last night in Pattaya, I had a super hottie form Sensations that I let get drunk and she ended up throwing up all over the place instead of being down for boom boom. Fortunately I still had a few days in Bangkok so the trip ended on a good note.
How were the chicks at Lucifer? Any lookers? How does it compare to 808 and Ibar (quality of girls wise)?
[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2043764]I love Germany and had some great times there but I'm changing over to Pattaya and I'll try and explain why. I doubt I'll ever visit an FKK ever again.
[/QUOTE]Yes I agree completely. Like BB says in his post below, my experiences with the Thai girls are more real. You get to take them home and spend as much time with them as you want for a fraction of the price.
And the most you will ever pay is 5 K-6 K (for top gogo girls). Most of my girls are Disco FLs and only run 2-4 K for LT. And many on the board would probably say I am overpaying. 555.
I can't say I will never set foot in an FKK again. But I certainly won't seek them out or plan a trip around them (as I have in the past). Will only go if I find myself in Germany for other reasons and have the time to go.
Folks,
I have mongered several times in Bangkok but never in Pattaya. Would love to get some thoughts on quality of girls, willingness to do anal and pricing between the two cities. Planning to be in Thailand soon.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2043731]I noticed on the electronic billboard that they now have a VIP card. I asked the waitress about it and she showed me the menu where every drink purchased with a VIP card is 30 baht less. The VIP card is 300 baht, so it pays for itself in 10 drinks. I had her take me to the service desk and sign me up.[/QUOTE]Smart thing to get a VIP card if one is a regular visitor to these clubs. Besides the VIP card in Lucifer also allows access to VIP seating areas which can be a relief if you are already accompanied and need some space. The VIP seating areas in Lucifer are on ground level and you can walk out and get chicks to join you unlike Insomnia where they are on the mezzanine.
[QUOTE=MrManGuy;2043764]Pattaya ladies feel more like real ladies, while the FKK girls feel like strippers. I think in both environments you will find great girls. I happen to prefer Pattaya at the moment. In Germany there are several large FKK clubs, within 100 kms of each other, I feel Pattaya has a similar number of girls, in one street. Nowhere in Germany can you find the volume and quality of women as available on walking street. Some of these ladies on walking street are legitimately in their very early 20's. And they are a sweet as sugar. I have never seen anything like it. In Germany you might find one, maybe two girls in their very early 20's who do not yet have the "hooker" look, in Pattaya I felt like at every GoGo there were at least two or three girls who could have come straight from university and you wouldn't know the difference. The girls in Pattaya were also in better shape, likely as a result of being young. Some guys are into silicone and porn star look and want to do a porn star experience. I just want to spend time with pretty ladies. Thai girls are delicate little dolls and while Romanian girls are amazing creatures, don't get me wrong, the femininity of Thai girls is simply breathtaking. I haven't felt such affection so strongly for another person in a long time. I can completely understand how some guys fall for the trap of marrying one and in the process losing everything.[/QUOTE]A very well written and precise observation on FKK clubs and the Pattaya go-go scene. You point out what has always been my single important reason for mongering in Thailand and Philippines; the sweetness and playfulness you experience from the girls is not matched anywhere in the world. Even the guy is old, fat, have bad manners etc. They still put up a good show and genuinely take care of them. They are extremely cute if you threat them with respect. Most of them can read the customers well and they will act out in order to let the men feel at ease. Sure it is about earning money for themselves and the bar, but they do it in such a style that everybody feel happy. Girls from east Europe (that works in FKK clubs) are sometimes pretty but have a total lack of this "innocence" and playfulness that is at the core of most Tai and Phil girls. So, even the price level between Europe and Thailand is not considerably anymore, in my opinion there is no way you can compare the level of service and attitude. Going with a hooker in Europe mostly leaves you sad and unhappy even if you pop. In Thailand you have a great time with a playful girl that act as your girlfriend. Who can beat that? This is the reason why I always scratch my head when someone ask for Russian girls in Thailand. What is the point? I would not go with a Russian girl if she offered herself for free. And that is not a joke!
[QUOTE=Aviator12;2043901]I would not go with a Russian girl if she offered herself for free. And that is not a joke![/QUOTE]I know how you feel. They can be so negative and dour.
I was out the other night and I had a 20 yr old Russian girl just throwing herself at me. My friend was amazed when I let her go home with her friends. I was relieved she had left. She had such negative energy -- something you so rarely get with a Thai girl. Did a quick benefit analysis and came to the conclusion she was just not hot enough to put up with her negativity.
[QUOTE=TempStories;2043684]I have mongered in BKK couple of times and have been a sucker of A+ services offered by some of the oilies there. Never been to Pattaya.
Now coming to Thailand for couple of days. Would really appreciate if some one can share difference between BKK and Pattaya in terms of mongering. Quality of girls, prices, kind of services offered etc.[/QUOTE]I should probably have ignored this post, but then. Have you RTFF? It seems not.
Don't waste your time and ours.