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[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2197247]Furthermore, mental health professionals believe that all mongers have some sort of psychopathology. This is the reason the USA Authorities catch mongers paying for pussy and then obligate them to attend "john schools" to receive treatment for anger management and sexual addiction. According to the experts, paying for sex is a manifestation of psychological impairment, and mongers need treatment to help them develop "healthy sexual relationships" with women.[/QUOTE]Really? Mental health professionals believe this? Can you cite some source for this? Who are these "experts" you are citing?

[QUOTE=RacShack;2197603]Sounds like you read zero about AC before landing (kinda strange) giving 5 k to a stranger for 2 girls she didn't even know (even stranger).[/QUOTE]She talked to the girls as if she knew them and they kept eye contact with me as if it was ok. I am cautious about theft. This possibility wasn't even on my radar, as the girls seemed to consent to this the whole time. The only part where it broke off was at the last minute before they went up the door, when I paid the lady and she gave them each 1 k.

5 k for two girls for the whole night. Is that a bad deal?

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2197660]Don't know if it was the same lady but recently when I was in AC I saw an older lady with a fairly attractive young girl (late teens or early twenties I think) walking around. She was clearly looking for customers for the young girl who looked quite shy and inexperienced. A few days later I saw the same old lady again but this time with a mid twenties and very bored and uninterested looking girl.
It didn't feel good. And you don't need a middle(wo)man in AC anyway. You always pay too much and it can be dangerous.

I never barfine girls anymore because I don't visit the bars but I get plenty of bareback from freelancers. But with most bargirls it shouldn't be a problem as well, unless things have really changed.
Just a hint: if they ask for a condom it doesn't mean they insist on a condom. 90% will give in immediately if you say you don't like condoms because they take away all the good feelings.

What experience exactly?[/QUOTE]I agree, don't need a middleman or woman, pay too much. They were winners for my taste and I just wanted them. Too eager I guess.

But. Dangerous how?

Re: barfining, condoms.

OK, I'll give that a try. 90% is good odds. From Manila experiences of barfining, my impression is that the mamasans frighten them all away from it. And since you pay upfront at bars, you're left screwed if she refused, aside from trying to return her. Also, you're put into the position of the girl demanding more for Live, no condom sex, which I've been put in.

Maybe AC pussy is cheap enough that I have to accept some dud experiences and move on.

Re: experiences.

Fully nude shows, dances. More than AC. Now they can't even say the word barfine in subic.

Anywhere without all these crackdowns? I really just want to enjoy nude, full blown tits and pussy shows sometimes.

Maybe less people like to do this or I just can't find it on the forum, but what are the rates for having a girl for 24 hrs, 48 hrs, etc? Full days.

[QUOTE=Dante702;2198076]
But. Dangerous how?[/QUOTE]Could be a setup with a minor or some other scam.

By the way: was the older lady you were talking about really an old lady, as in 50+ or 60+? Or was she just a little bit older than the other girls?

[QUOTE=Dante702;2198076]
Re: barfining, condoms.
OK, I'll give that a try. 90% is good odds. From Manila experiences of barfining, my impression is that the mamasans frighten them all away from it. And since you pay upfront at bars, you're left screwed if she refused, aside from trying to return her. Also, you're put into the position of the girl demanding more for Live, no condom sex, which I've been put in.[/QUOTE]Manila is different. It is much easier to get bareback in AC than in Manila.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2198237]Manila is different. It is much easier to get bareback in AC than in Manila.[/QUOTE]Come on guys. Once you get their panties off and start licking I have never had a pinay refuse bareback.

[QUOTE=NiceGuy99;2198303]Come on guys. Once you get their panties off and start licking I have never had a pinay refuse bareback.[/QUOTE]That has led to NSU for me there more times than I want to remember.

[QUOTE=NiceGuy99;2198303]Come on guys. Once you get their panties off and start licking I have never had a pinay refuse bareback.[/QUOTE]Licking is not even necessary. When the Pinay is sucking your cock, just tell her that you "want to make baby" with her and she will let you ram it in raw and cum-in-pussy. Most do not like rubbers any more than mongers do, and complain if you use one because you are treating them as if they have "a sickness."

[QUOTE=Dante702;2198076]OK, I'll give that a try. 90% is good odds. From Manila experiences of barfining, my impression is that the mamasans frighten them all away from it. And since you pay upfront at bars, you're left screwed if she refused, aside from trying to return her. Also, you're put into the position of the girl demanding more for Live, no condom sex, which I've been put in.
[/QUOTE]Someone posted awhile back that the girls in Manila won't do a 'runner' as in after one shot try to head back to the bar because 'you' pay them their amount in the morning. If you pay the entire amount including the girls cut to the bar then you have no control.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2197823]The buyers and victims only ideology assumes that men always have all of the power and women are helpless. It ignores the evidence that the women selling pussy often victimize sentimental men, feigning love and emotional bonding to con them out of their homes and cash savings...[/QUOTE]Astute analysis. I like it!

[QUOTE=Dante702;2198172]Maybe less people like to do this or I just can't find it on the forum, but what are the rates for having a girl for 24 hrs, 48 hrs, etc? Full days.[/QUOTE]If you are negotiating via a bar then they will want the barfine price per day.

Some guys find it easy to barfine the girl once and then negotiate with her direct.

If you go the freelancer scene they will offer the most flexibility. By freelancer I mean truly independent woman not a worker controlled by another.

There are a surprising number of women in Angeles who are just happy to hang out.

PL.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2198367]..........complain if you use one because you are treating them as if they have "a sickness."[/QUOTE]....errr some of them do.

[QUOTE=PinaLove;2198558]Some guys find it easy to barfine the girl once and then negotiate with her direct.

PL.[/QUOTE]This works well and can cut costs if the OP is looking for a repeat ST before or after work. However, if he wants full days a bar fine will still be payable for every shift she is not at work.

The advantages of continuous "rolling" barfines are that she will be more of a GFE to say "thanks" for the ongoing income, you remove the risk from getting repeated unknown girls and yes, you get her for 24 hours per day (maybe minus a couple of hours to go home and get some clothes, if she needs them).

[QUOTE=Mogwai;2198237]Manila is different. It is much easier to get bareback in AC than in Manila.[/QUOTE]Bareback is easy with young girls who do not have a kid. Sometimes difficult with those have kids. Having a kid before they are 25 is an ambition with Phi girls irrespective of marriage. After they have one kid they are happy although they struggle for support. That is where we come into the picture. Few thousand pesos will solve their immediate needs. IMHO they know very well long term stability with a foreigner is very rare even among the pretty ones.

They may marry older foreigners toget out of the country and according to my previous girls who have done that they are not happy at all. They do not fit into the western society well. Besides age difference haunts them. Hanging around with old wrinkly as a trophy wife irritates them because in western society it is rare.