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IME in Bangkok girls who've done BB with me don't want other girls knowing they did it. They'll even ask for a condom if they're in my room with another Thai girl.
Generally I never ask for bareback until I already have the street girl in my room. Sometimes they agree to it without any discussion. Other times they ask how much I'll pay them. 2000 baht has always been enough, all in. Other times if they show reluctance I'll offer to let them see my recent negative HIV result or promise not to cum inside them.
Roughly half the NEP area streetwalkers were up for BB. All of them that I had tested for HIV, about 8 in all, tested negative. My plan was to test those I saw regularly.
In Singapore getting BB was possible with various nationalities. Five street girls were up for it. I did it with a Thai, a PRC, an Indonesian & a Vietnam female. Also a local Singaporean who appeared to be of South Asian ancestry, such as India.
I am circumcised & usually used coconut oil for lube & as a barrier against STI.
I was infected on a few occasions with minor STI that were easily treated.
Going forward I would consider using the antiviral gel available with Dual Condoms, as mentioned in a recent post. Just the gel, not the condom.
I am awaiting my results in tests re immunity to HIV.
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[QUOTE=PinkPearl;2030438]IME in Bangkok girls who've done BB with me don't want other girls knowing they did it. They'll even ask for a condom if they're in my room with another Thai girl.
Generally I never ask for bareback until I already have the street girl in my room. Sometimes they agree to it without any discussion. Other times they ask how much I'll pay them. 2000 baht has always been enough, all in. Other times if they show reluctance I'll offer to let them see my recent negative HIV result or promise not to cum inside them.
Roughly half the NEP area streetwalkers were up for BB. All of them that I had tested for HIV, about 8 in all, tested negative. My plan was to test those I saw regularly.
In Singapore getting BB was possible with various nationalities. Five street girls were up for it. I did it with a Thai, a PRC, an Indonesian & a Vietnam female. Also a local Singaporean who appeared to be of South Asian ancestry, such as India.
I am circumcised & usually used coconut oil for lube & as a barrier against STI.
I was infected on a few occasions with minor STI that were easily treated.
Going forward I would consider using the antiviral gel available with Dual Condoms, as mentioned in a recent post. Just the gel, not the condom.
I am awaiting my results in tests re immunity to HIV.[/QUOTE]Yes, I would not even consider going bareback without being circumcised, having had a vasectomy, having a current (within 2-3 months) clean HIV / STI blood check document from a reliable source clinic, never engaging in uncovered receptive anal sex, avoiding prolonged bouts of "aggressive" sex likely to break the skin, keeping things well lubed and showering with hot soapy water soon after the deed is done. Maybe I will look into the antiviral gel you mentioned. But so far in my life it has not been necessary.
Can you tell us more about the "tests re immunity to HIV" you mentioned? Where, how much does it cost, how reliable is it presumed to be and so on?
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[QUOTE=PinkPearl;2030438]Roughly half the NEP area streetwalkers were up for BB. All of them that I had tested for HIV, about 8 in all, tested negative. My plan was to test those I saw regularly.
[/QUOTE]Where would you go for cheap HIV Test? Hospital charges a lot, or maybe was because I asked for full set of tests for all STDs and some others were more expensive to test, like long term Herpes test, did I ever have in the past HSV-1 or HSV-2?
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[QUOTE=Syzygies;2030604]Where would you go for cheap HIV Test? Hospital charges a lot, or maybe was because I asked for full set of tests for all STDs and some others were more expensive to test, like long term Herpes test, did I ever have in the past HSV-1 or HSV-2?[/QUOTE]The Anonymous HIV Red Cross Clinic near Silom (just google it, it's fairly popular). It's like the default / best place in Bangkok and they do all STI tests for very reasonably prices. No inflated hospital mark-up prices.
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[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2029976]This is not my experience at all but I don't push or even ask for BBFS. Not denying it's not available in both BKK and Pattaya but '9/10' and 'every' seems extremely high.
Can I ask which gogo clubs you attend in Pattaya? Curious now to just do some research and talk to some girls.
I see from the Bangkok thread you like Africans. I'm sure every African will do BBFS for sure. Same applies to Beach Road girls. However, pretty sure that not 'every' gogo dancer from Sensations and Baccara are doing BBFS with most random men. If you can get BBFS from them you can likely get every Thermae girl in Bangkok to offer you BBFS.[/QUOTE]Iron, Skyfall, Happy, an ex-gogo girl working in one of the simon complex bars (the complex with frog bar, near skyfall). I have merely visited Bacarra / palace but the girls there seem to stuck up so I don't even bother and leave quickly. I did BF a bacarra girl back in 2012 and that was BB but we were both really drunk. Also, 2 freelancers. One who initiated contact with me on a baht bus. The other from insomnia / ibar. 2/3 massage girls on Soi honey. Another one from soi 13/2.
There are 4 types of girls when it comes to safe sex I have found:
1. Those who simply will not stray from using a condom for the given P4 P session (maybe / probably they go condomless with thai BF or some falangs in other settings, or simply 100% condom). Most likely be in a massage shop, and the more ST the encounter the more likely a condom is required. The more foreigners who visit, the more likely a condom is required (eg: pattaya soapies). I honestly don't even bother asking about BBFS in these kinds of encounters. Unless I have seen them before and I may even bring a very very recent STI test result.
2. Those will will provide BBFS but seem hesitant and are only doing it because it's their job (to service customer). I typically don't repeat with them as they know I want BBFS and they aren't comfortable providing it.
3. Those who will simply provide it, no problem. And are probably doing it to gain repeat business or *gasp* actually like having sex without a condom. Some even want me to cream pie because they'll hold me as I am about to orgasm.
4. Dirty sluts who specifically are trying to give me BBFS without me asking or motioning towards it. Condoms are nowhere to be seen. Almost all times, these girls are on yabba (rapid breathing, sweating, and their breath smells like fingernail polish). I had one girl who was high (in Ocean 2), offered me BBFS immediately, and smelled like she had been doing cocaine (but probably yabba). I came back 6-7 months later, she wasn't high, didn't remember me, and wouldn't provide BBFS. (Pattaya) Freelancers are much more likely to be on yabba as well, since they don't want work commitments getting in the way of partying on drugs with their Thai (boy) friends.
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[QUOTE=ParkVille;2030620]The Anonymous HIV Red Cross Clinic near Silom (just google it, it's fairly popular). It's like the default / best place in Bangkok and they do all STI tests for very reasonably prices. No inflated hospital mark-up prices.[/QUOTE]Yes. For anyone not familiar with the Thai Red Cross testing clinic, the HIV test is 200 baht. Another 200 baht or so for each of several other tests. Most of the time these days it will take about 90 minutes from first entering the place to walking out with a printed results document. Some tests might require waiting a few days for results though. Bring your real passport, not just a photo copy, if you want a printed document with your name on it rather than just a verbal "ok, you're fine" result. I also got the HPV vaccination series there for about 2100 baht for each of the three shots spaced out 1-2 months apart.
It is about a 5 minute walk from Ratchadamri bts station on the Silom Line, hair pin turn at the bottom of the steps on Exit 1. It will be the single story building between the two water tower shaped buildings on the right side of Ratchadamri Road.
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[QUOTE=ParkVille;2030620]The Anonymous HIV Red Cross Clinic near Silom (just google it, it's fairly popular). It's like the default / best place in Bangkok and they do all STI tests for very reasonably prices. No inflated hospital mark-up prices.[/QUOTE]Thanks for that. Could save me plenty of money. I might see if they can do any other types of blood tests too (non STD related), LOL.
Thanks to ET too. It's not often I get benefit from really useful info on the ISG. Most questions, fail to get really great answers. I can see though that once a question is very specific, very useful info is possible.
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[QUOTE=EihTooms;2030639] I also got the HPV vaccination series there for about 2100 baht for each of the three shots spaced out 1-2 months apart.
[/QUOTE]I was not aware there were useful vaccinations for males of advanced age, like us. I thought HPV Gardasil was only for girls below a certain age. I once took a Tulip girl to get her vaccinated, due to the significant risks. Wasn't cheap at a hospital.
Is this against only the strains of HPV associated with Uterine cancers? There are many strains. We all have been infected with HPV of some type on some part of the body, at some time, right? Warts and papilomas. I guess guys barebacking have higher risks to catch strains of HPV in genital region.
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[QUOTE=Syzygies;2030691]I was not aware there were useful vaccinations for males of advanced age, like us. I thought HPV Gardasil was only for girls below a certain age. I once took a Tulip girl to get her vaccinated, due to the significant risks. Wasn't cheap at a hospital.
Is this against only the strains of HPV associated with Uterine cancers? There are many strains. We all have been infected with HPV of some type on some part of the body, at some time, right? Warts and papilomas. I guess guys barebacking have higher risks to catch strains of HPV in genital region.[/QUOTE]I couldn't say what specific strain it was for or all strains. They have posters in the waiting area stating they offer the series. So I asked to begin that day. They knew my age but did not advise one way or another about that being an issue.
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[QUOTE=PinkPearl;2030438]I am circumcised & usually used coconut oil for lube & as a barrier against STI.
I was infected on a few occasions with minor STI that were easily treated.
Going forward I would consider using the antiviral gel available with Dual Condoms, as mentioned in a recent post. Just the gel, not the condom.[/QUOTE]Perhaps you could try adding zinc oxide powder to your coconut oil to increase the antimicrobial action. Then you might not need the antiviral gel.
[QUOTE][url]http://www.thedermreview.com/zinc-oxide/[/url]
Zinc oxide is a chemical compound that is thought to have been used in health and skin care applications for millennia. the oldest and the closest reference is believed to be the description of a healing salve, used to treat the eyes and open wounds. In todays medicine, zinc oxide is generally used to address skin damage, like burns or scars; irritations; and may even act as a protective layer on the skin to lock moisture in, while keeping pathogens out.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][url]http://www.dermascope.com/resources/zinc-oxide-historical-uses-and-modern-benefits[/url]
Zinc oxide helps to aid in tissue growth and healing and is a natural antiseptic and antibacterial agent. It heals epidermal wounds and burns and treats and prevents skin rashes. This ingredient also protects against microbial pathogens. As a natural astringent, zinc oxide reduces acne-causing bacteria and minimizes pores. Zinc oxide protects against UVA and UVB light rays and is often used as a natural, non-toxic sunscreen to prevent photoaging and wrinkles. Due to the minimal risk of allergic reactions it is considered benign and safe for the skin.[/QUOTE]
[quote][url]http://thecoconutmama.com/coconut-oil-sunscreen/[/url]
Coconut Oil Sunscreen Recipe
Ingredients
1/2 Cup Virgin Coconut Oil
2 Tablespoons Non Nana Zinc Oxide
Instructions
Whip coconut oil up in a mixer or food processor.
Carefully add the zinc oxide (you don't want to inhale it!)
Once the oils and zinc oxide are mixed well pour them into a small container.
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[quote][url]http://www.umm.edu/health/medical/altmed/condition/herpes-simplex-virus[/url]
In test tubes, zinc is effective against HSV-1 and HSV-2. In one small study, people who applied zinc oxide cream to cold sores saw them heal faster than those who applied a placebo cream.
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[QUOTE=EihTooms;2030510]Can you tell us more about the "tests re immunity to HIV" you mentioned? Where, how much does it cost, how reliable is it presumed to be and so on?[/QUOTE]Three reports on these subjects were posted earlier this year in this same thread. A search with my user name & the word immune brings them all up.
In addition to the site previously mentioned, here are some leads re possibly legitimate testing elsewhere:
[URL]http://forums.phoenixrising.me/index.php?threads/check-if-you-are-naturally-immune-to-hiv-via-23andme-results.28913/[/URL]
[URL]http://www.cureaidsreport.org/ccr5-delta-32-registery/[/URL]
[URL]http://thegeneticgenealogist.com/2007/03/29/are-you-immune-to-hiv-and-smallpox/[/URL]
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2030604]Where would you go for cheap HIV Test?[/QUOTE]Red cross or places poor Thai people use, I suppose. I'm sure many of your ladies of the night could tell you.
I use expensive Bumrungrad hospital which is a convenient 10 minute walk from NEP since it is located near my hotel & I don't want to spend a lot of time travelling to unknown areas of the city. Girls are impressed that I take them there. First time they have to get a Bumrungrad card. After that it takes about 1. 5 hours on average from arrival at the hospital to receiving printed HIV test results. While waiting there are shops & restaurants on the hospital property to enjoy in an air conditioned atmosphere full of eye candy. Or one can send them with cash to get it done by themselves & bring the results to one's hotel room.
Regarding HPV vaccinations it is not recommended for guys our age:
[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/hpv/parents/vaccine.html[/URL]
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[QUOTE=Syzygies;2030691]I was not aware there were useful vaccinations for males of advanced age, like us. I thought HPV Gardasil was only for girls below a certain age. I once took a Tulip girl to get her vaccinated, due to the significant risks. Wasn't cheap at a hospital.[/QUOTE]The HPV vaccine is only recommended for girls of a certain age because that is the test data submitted to the FDA. It can still be useful for older men if you haven't already been exposed to the strain of virus in the vaccine, but your insurance won't pay for it.
[QUOTE][url]https://tonic.vice.com/en_us/article/should-people-over-26-get-the-hpv-vaccine[/url]
Regardless of age, you'll probably still get at least a little protection.
The current version of the HPV vaccine covers nine different strains of the virus. The odds of having been exposed to every single one of these strains is low, even among people who have had several sexual partners. Sadly, it's impossible to know precisely how much benefit you'll get because we don't currently have an HPV test for men
The reason this vaccine is only recommended for people under 26 has nothing to do with safety. In fact, we know it's safe for older folks because, in some countries including Australia this vaccine is recommended up to age 45, at least for women. in a series of threes shots that cost $150-200 each. In total, I spent just over $600 for mine.
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[QUOTE][url]https://drjengunter.wordpress.com/2015/05/19/hpv-vaccine-over-age-26-is-it-worth-it/[/url]
Currently the HPV (human papilloma virus) vaccines are approved in the United States up to the age of 26. This has nothing to do with safety but due to the fact that the studies submitted to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) involved this age range. There is nothing wrong with getting the HPV vaccine over the age of 26, although in most countries that will mean you have to pay for it yourself. It just means the older you are the less likely you will get the full protection as the risk increases with age that you have already been exposed. Since two doses seems to be as effective as three a strategy for women over the age of 26 who are paying out-of-pocket might be to consider 2 doses
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[QUOTE][url]https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/06/left-out-why-is-it-so-hard-for-older-women-to-get-the-hpv-vaccine/258611/[/url]
Drug maker Merck's study of women 24-45 did show that the vaccine protects those with no prior exposure to the nastiest HPV strains
the CDC recommends the vaccine just for females ages 11 to 26 and males ages 11 to 21. What about the newly single 28-year-old who has had only two, long-term relationships? Or the 50-year-old divorcee who starts dating again after 20 years of marriage?
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[QUOTE][url]http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/750749[/url]
Men are at risk for HPV-related disease, and yet even though there is a clear and proven medical benefit for vaccinations in boys and men, the cost effectiveness remains controversial.
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[QUOTE=PinkPearl;2030960]
Regarding HPV vaccinations it is not recommended for guys our age:
[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/hpv/parents/vaccine.html[/URL][/QUOTE]That is actually a pretty poor article in relation to it just makes recommendations for age groups, but explains little about the reasons for age group recommendations. It is not intending for people to understand at all to make there own informed decisions. It also ignores complex science involved, especially relating to strains of HPV, some of which are considered less dangerous.
We come to realise that other age groups are only excluded due to concerns about the cost effectiveness, low rates of people protected against cancers compared to those vaccinated, and that older people are more likely to be already exposed the viruses rendering the vaccinations potentially too late. Very much related to statistical probabilities and also the belief that vaccinating all girls and gays is enough to halt the spread of sexually transmitted HPVs. I the odd older guy gets a cancer or spreads HPV to a girl that gets a cancer, that is just a statistical anomaly, outside the major target area.
I offer these alternative a bit more informative sites:
[URL]http://www.hpvvaccine.org.au/parents/parents-what-is-hpv.aspx?link=home[/URL]
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HPV_vaccines[/URL]
Interesting to me that although, I don't have genitals warts to my knowledge at any time, it is quite possible to have been exposed to the viruses with no symptoms. HPV is described as the common cold of sexual diseases so everyone is likely exposed to them. I have certainly had warts and papilomas on other parts of the body, when younger, although none as a child to my memory, probably due to lack of direct contact with anyone else having them. Don't know precisely how these viruses were contracted. Could it have been via sex or kissing most likely?
Apparently "Senile warts" are not related to HPV.
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[QUOTE=Syzygies;2030604]Where would you go for cheap HIV Test?[/QUOTE]Red Cross at Rachadamri road, across from the north-eastern corner of Lumpini park. Website: [URL]http://en.trcarc.org[/URL].
They offer anonymous testing very cheap, I think it was 200 baht or so for HIV. Results available after 1 HR. It's a bit crowded, but they're clean, organized and professional.
Edit: EihTooms already answered this. Sorry for duplication.
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[QUOTE=Syzygies;2031080]That is actually a pretty poor article in relation to it just makes recommendations for age groups, but explains little about the reasons for age group recommendations. It is not intending for people to understand at all to make there own informed decisions. It also ignores complex science involved, especially relating to strains of HPV, some of which are considered less dangerous.[/QUOTE]That page from the highly authoritative CDC was obviously just a brief summary. If you refer to the CDC search engine or related links, both on the same page, there is much more info to be found, such as:
"Efficacy and Immunogenicity Among Persons Aged over 26 years".
"HPV4 is not licensed in the United States for use in persons aged over 26 years. One randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial of HPV4 was conducted in 3,819 females aged 24 to 45 years (140). In the end-of-study analysis, per-protocol efficacy against HPV 6, 11,16, and 18 persistent infection, related CIN, or external genital lesions was 88.7% (95% CI = 78.194. 8) (141). There were few CIN2+ events (one case in the vaccine arm and six cases in the placebo arm of the trial). In the ITT analysis, efficacy against vaccine type-related persistent infection or disease was 47.2% (95% CI = 33.558. 2), but efficacy was not demonstrated against CIN2+: 22.4% (95% CI = -42.558. 3). One month after the third dose, seropositivity to HPV 6, 11,16 and 18 was 98%, 98%, 99%, and 97%, respectively. At month 48, seropositivity was 92%, 92%, 97%, and 48%, respectively. GMTs were lower than those among females aged 16 to 23 years. There are no data from efficacy trials in males aged over 26 years. ".
[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/rr6305a1.htm[/URL]
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2031080]I the odd older guy gets a cancer or spreads HPV to a girl that gets a cancer, that is just a statistical anomaly, outside the major target area.[/QUOTE]OTOH the potential side effects of older people taking such a vaccine are greater than with the young. Worst case scenario being death.
At almost 60 years of age, I won't be bothering with the HPV vaccine. For elderly guys our age, I'd suggest instead the vaccine against shingles.
