Filipinas - Opinions and Advice

[QUOTE=Thatguy865]Just another thought for you SE. I think your biggest concern should be that once you have brought her back to your country. Once she has assimilated, gotten a feel of the independence that you are talking about giving her. (The ability to get a job and work there) giving her an income that is more than she could have ever expected in the PI.

What makes you think, after a year or two, That she will not leave you for a younger man in your country. I have seen this happen more often than I can count. They marry an older man, and tell him what he wants to hear. "No sweetheart, I don't want babies either". She will change her mind because family is everything to filipinos

You are 25 years older than her. Seriously how long do you think thats going to last.

Every young guy she encounters will be passing her phone numbers. She will meet other girls her age who will no doubt be telling her "Why are you with him". "You have your green card, you are legal, leave now".

In the PI. You would not be an unusual couple. But in Europe. "Mail order bride" is the first thing people are going to think. Any guy who has been to Thailand or PI will think. Yeah he snatched a freak and brought her back.

The fact that she left AC once and came back to work again. Tells you she doesn't have a problem selling ass, and only stops when she thinks she has her a man she thinks is going to marry her. I bet if you told her it was off. She'd be right back in AC within 3 mths. Selling that ass again.

If not why didn't she take this low paying job in the first place. Why did she go back to selling ass at all.[/QUOTE]I am sorry but I disagree, on a general point of you (even if, in this personal case, thery can be fully correct), with most of your statements. I think that if you want to share your life with a woman, the basic point is to give her independence. And, then, if she is independent, it is much better in case of divorce. No need to pay her alimony.

The possibility that, after a year or two, she leaves me for a younger man in my Country is a risk I am ready to face. But what I want to totally avoid is that I have to pay her alimony or to support a child I did not want. If it last 2 or 5 or 10 years, they have been good years anyway. What I am afraid of and I want to avoid are the consequences of an act which might prove to be foolish.

You are right. The real point is that family is everything to Filipinos. This is my first concern.

I know that I am 25 years older than she and, as I told you, I do not care of how long it is going to last, but of the consequences.

About citizenship, you need ten years in Europe and, about green card, it must be renewed every 2 year or less and if you cannot (no job or other problems), you must leave the Country. But I see what you mean. It can just be a matter of time.

I know that in the PI we would not be an unusual couple, but I cannot live there. Correct "mail order bride". But I do not care of this. Any person I know has its own "secret".

But I cannot blame the fact that she left AC once and came back to work there again. It tells me she etc. Correct. But I really think that most people, when in need, can choose to sell ass. And, again, most people would stop when they think they have the opportunity. That is normal, IMHO. And I think she did not take this low paying job in the first place because it is low paid, because we all love money and because she is young, pretty and this is the only way she has to put some money in her pocket and have some fun. We just leave in places where opportunities are more and better. And the fact they live in different places whih pushed them to different choices does not mean that these choices are the ones they really love. Anyway thanks a lot for you honest and clear and direct approach to my post.

SE

[QUOTE=Marconista]@FreebieFan;

Please clear my name, as I am afraid some may think of me as the guy contacting you regarding this lady, which I have not. my chat names (YM & MS) all have marconista (and sometimes more added to it).

I hope to keep my reputation as clean as it can be in this environment :D

Thanks[/QUOTE]If you are not Marco at home, then no worries Marconista.

Was chatting to a SYT who was ready to meet me before last trip. She seemed " ripe for the picking". Id seen pics but relaised they were all from an angle. The reason when I saw her on cam, was she had this giant mole. It was big and frankly very unappealing. No matter how cute she may have been I couldn't have poked her with this thing hypnotising me.

Just chatted to another SYT in Gingoog city (wherever the heck that is! ). And same again, cute photos, but a giant mole in middle of her nose. Staring like a third eye. Wonder how much it is to get one removed if I really needed to. Some of these moles are bigger than their nipples LOL.

[QUOTE=FreebieFan]Was chatting to a SYT who was ready to meet me before last trip. She seemed " ripe for the picking". Id seen pics but relaised they were all from an angle. The reason when I saw her on cam, was she had this giant mole. It was big and frankly very unappealing. No matter how cute she may have been I couldn't have poked her with this thing hypnotising me.

Just chatted to another SYT in Gingoog city (wherever the heck that is! ). And same again, cute photos, but a giant mole in middle of her nose. Staring like a third eye. Wonder how much it is to get one removed if I really needed to. Some of these moles are bigger than their nipples LOL.[/QUOTE]

That is unfortunate. I know an OFW where I live, who also has/had few awkward moles. She was fortunate in that her employer paid to have hers removed. The chick really blossomed after that, and of course I had to be the gentleman and oblige.

[QUOTE=Sammon]Most of bargirls will tell you what you want to hear. For that matter most of the other girls will do the same to find a sponsor, escape from poverty, get out of their country etc.

None of it has to do with love.

Almost all the bargirls came to AC to work in the bars because of poverty. Yet to see a girl who is there for fun only. The mamasans who recruit them tell them they can meet a foreigner, marry etc. After opening their legs for many and lied and duped by many they realise the truth about AC. Yes, there are some who may have found better life but they are in minority.

All of us go to AC for fun, to be with as many girls as possible, drink, listen to sob stories and sometimes donate extra money to them.

We are not there to look for a GF, rescue them etc. No matter what a good sex with a willing girl makes our mind think otherwise.

Unless you live in that country I believe supporting a gf, marrying and having kids should be out of bounds. Besides if you live there why go with a bargirl? There are plenty of normal girls available.[/QUOTE]Most of bargirls tell us what we want to hear. Correct. In fact what impressed me is that she did not do that quite often. I have not given all details in my report not to be too long, but trust me. And I know that, even this way, there is little love in it. Exactly as in most "love stories". Almost all the bargirls came to AC to work in the bars because of poverty.

Absolutely correct. I did not know mamasans tell them they can meet a foreigner, marry etc, but it sounds true. And I fully agree that the ones who may find better life are in minority. The good point in my case (of course it is my hope and considering what she said, but I can only assume it is true) is that her bar experience has been too short to fully spoil her. So, my question is: is that possible or not?

You are right. We are not there to look for a GF etc. And, btw, I did not have a too good sex with her (if you read my first report, the one about my days there) and it is what impressed me, together with other details of her who pushed me to think she was not spoiled yet (of course I am not the best judge). So you are right, but I have found trapped in this idea and that is why I posted this hint for a discussion, exactly to have advices, tips and better ideas.

I do not live in that Country and I am not supporting her and have no intention of having kids. Correct, living there would be great, according to what I could see when I was there, but unfortunately my good job is here. Thanks a lot for your contribution.

SE

[QUOTE=SmartEuropean]SE[/QUOTE]

SE

I read and I see your eyes are wide open. Also you are not going to die wondering.

But why you wait until the end of 2011 ? ? This is far too long ! ! No-one knows what will happen tomorrow, next week or next month let alone next year or 2011. Don't wait so long. Do it sooner rather than later.

ET

[quote=chocha monger]what do you consider to be a “real bar girl?” this girl sold pussy in a bar that makes her a real bargirl there is no qualifying period and quantity of pussy sold in order to gain bar girl certification. see her for what she is and either accept or reject her but don’t fool yourself.

if you are depending on her to take pills consistently it means that you’re turning over the choice of having children or not to her. she makes the decision of having children or not so you’re already fucked. that is the way it is in the eyes of the law. take responsibility for your future and get those old wrinkled balls snipped! have result for your vasectomy confirmed with a lab test showing that your semen contains no sperm.

the best laid plans of mice and men… your prenuptial agreement will probably be more useful as an ass wipe once your filipina and her attorney play the ignorant foreign [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] vs. the old pervert. according to you, your financial position is not all that good. transfer whatever inheritance you intend to give your children to them now. you can place any real property in their name giving yourself the right to occupy it until your death. liquid assets can be placed in a trust with money being paid out to you quarterly. in other words strip yourself of all assets before marrying. this will leave you free to play the fool. it will also keep your kids from being pissed off at your antics.

since you intend to keep fucking around i imagine that you have no expectation of fidelity on her part. this is good because she will have many young lovers back in europe whether or not you object. having an open marriage will make things easier on both parties versus sneaking around and using deception.

understand that as you do not want to leave your family and friends she will experience similar emotions.[/quote]good question. what do i consider to be a “real bar girl?”. i may be wrong but there is a time and a quantity of experiences which can make the difference. imho a girl of 24 who has just arrived in a bar and spent 6 weeks there and a girl of 32 who has spent 8 years there are not exactly the same person. i see your point, but i do not fully agree.

correct. depending on her to take pills is not the best. in fact i am thinking on it. what are your information about vasectomy? or other things which may be under my control (condom not included)?

the ignorant foreign [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] vs. the old pervert. i know that. in fact i am going to speak with some lawyers friends of mine about that.

transfer all my goods to my children before any official step with her is what i had already thought. thanks you for the tip, anyway. the same about liquid assets.
no expectation of fidelity on her part? well, your statement is quite direct but it is also basically true.

i understand that she does not want to leave her family and friends either. but i see no way out to this problem. she has to move. not me. if she does not want, she has just to leave that idea. if she gets it, there is no way to move her life and friends here. she can just use part of her money to go back home once a year or more. se

[QUOTE=David_33]S.E., I suggest the Norplant or Implanon (that´s what they are called here in Peru), which are birth control devices implanted under the skin in the arm. Good up to three years and have the added plus of just about stopping menstruation completely.[/QUOTE]Thanks a lot for your clever, helpful and practical tip. Never heard of it. I googled it but it is not clear how good and reliable it is, nor whether it is sold everywhere. Do you know more about it? Please tell me, if you can. Anyway I can ask some physicians here, but I would like to have some basic knowledge first.

SE

[QUOTE=SmartEuropean]
The possibility that, after a year or two, she leaves me for a younger man in my Country is a risk I am ready to face.

SE[/QUOTE]

I may be the only one here who would support you to do what you feel right, if you want to marry a bar girl go for it.

Most of the advice you are getting here are from mongers who are from west where the divorce rate is 50% or rather 1 in 2 mongers here are divorced, separated or never married, very few including me knows the true emotions of love but we all here know the emotions of lust and its association with money.

Western men may be the last place you would wanna go to take advice on love and marriage :D no hard feelings guys...

Asia has a fairly good percentage of love lasting till death do us apart, your chance of success with an Asian girl no matter where she is from is far greater than the women from west.

I'm from India where the divorce rate is very very low, 98% marriages are successful more or less same is with east Asian countries and same is true with Philippines.

Only a fool or an ignorant will tell you not to marry an Asian girl.

Its like an Asian dude advising the size of dicks to a western men. Some things we should better leave it to others. Western folks are never good at relationship stuff, they should not advice people whom they themselves have failed at again and again.

Here western mongers will always pick on the negative side of things and then would happily relate it to money, money, money...everything starts and ends with money for them.

They would never appreciate the culture of family the Filipinos lay emphasis on...rest be assured if you have a Filipino kid, he will be more respectful and would never abandon you to an old age home. At least you will have some people to fall back on. (sorry to bring the kid factor in)

Why would you not love to have a big large family, the western mongers will counter it by saying you will be the family ATM for all, agree, but you would also be the one who would get number 1 respect among all, you would also be the decision maker unlike if you have a western wife who would take all your money yet not listen to you. why haven't anyone mentioned this to you ?

We can not have both ways, its time for introspection, ever wondered why Asian marriages are successful than the west, if money was the only factor, then west should have the lowest divorce rate... quite the opposite right...which itself says that all assumption that Filipina or Asian girl would be after your money is wrong else if not then west should have successful marriage day in and day out which is not true.

Now the question of she being a bar girl and all the negative comments fellow mongers are writing about her background and what your life will become if you marry her.

This could only be answered and understood if a monger would please take the factor of money and survival out of the situation and think purely on spiritual grounds.

Spiritualism Precedes Materialism, nature created us... men did not create sun, moon and the galaxies, if you base your marriage on money and nothing else, the relationship is bound to fail....when you met her..it was your call of destiny and karma rather than you met her because you had desires for sex and she had to work in the bar to support her family and herself etc.

This critical thinking difference would decide if your marriage is going to be successful or not..its more like believing that man is spiritual than material that would decide your destiny with her.

Its the ignorance which is the greatest sin, people would say "what a load of crap, do you want me to believe in some snake oil theory about karma and destiny not on her survival, if it was not for the bar you would not have met her in the first place etc and if you ask the same "what a load of crap" guys on why western marriage fail in spite of the best life a society can give...they don't have answer to that ...survival, job, money, developed societies etc are not the criteria for successful marriage.

If she was not a bar girl but a highly sophisticated girl, your chances of success with her would be exactly same as the bar girl, cos the underlying thinking has not changed.

THE POINT IS SUCCESSFUL MARRIAGE HAS NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH MONEY, JOB, SOCIAL STATUS, DEVELOPED OR THIRD WORLD COUNTRY, BAR GIRL, NORMAL GIRL ETC...marriage is spiritual not materialistic...

If you keep on thinking..ohh i met her in a bar, will she dump me later for money because she is a bar girl...your marriage will end as many mongers here are predicting, just by thinking differently and in a spiritual way will do wonders for your marriage.

Its upto you really to shape your relationship anyway you want. Her background of being a bar girl does not matter at all as long as you think in the right way.

Good luck to you.....i would say just go for it...if you have taken a thoughtful decision and you feel for it.

Nothing personal folks, i may have touched some sensitive issues, but it is not directed at any particular person. peace out no fighting on opinions :)

[QUOTE=Born Loser 5]I may be the only one here who would support you to do what you feel right, if you want to marry a bar girl go for it.

Most of the advice you are getting here are from mongers who are from west where the divorce rate is 50% or rather 1 in 2 mongers here are divorced, separated or never married, very few including me knows the true emotions of love but we all here know the emotions of lust and its association with money.

Western men may be the last place you would wanna go to take advice on love and marriage :D no hard feelings guys...

Asia has a fairly good percentage of love lasting till death do us apart, your chance of success with an Asian girl no matter where she is from is far greater than the women from west.
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Lots of us mongers support you and your right to marry a bar girl. I previously gave SE my support and some considerations that he should be aware of.

I entertained the idea once and had a relationship with an experienced Philippine bar girl, she lived with me in China for about 6 months until I terminated our relationship due to 'irregularities', basically she was enough dishonest for me to give her up and I had burned too much cash to support her family.

I think your statistics on Western vs Eastern marriages is a load of crap. China is rife with divorce, it is a simple procedure which takes all of 20 minutes to complete. In the Philippines divorce is nearly impossible, so second marriages just happen without divorce. It is possible to get papers from the NSO saying you are single even when you are not.

Thailand, much the same. Guys leave their wives for others frequently. Look at DIA, every girl wants a man to only be with them. This must come from experience, it is not a fairy tale.

My experience with Indonesian chicks, says divorce is quite common there too.

Such is life.

[QUOTE=Born Loser 5]I'm from India where the divorce rate is very very low, 98% marriages are successful more or less same is with east Asian countries and same is true with Philippines.

Only a fool or an ignorant will tell you not to marry an Asian girl.
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I'm glad that 98% of Indian marriage last forever, perhaps the people don't live long enough to find others, perhaps arranged marriages are the way to go, perhaps poverty or family pressure forces couples to remain together. Perhaps villages and languages are different. Maybe the law discourages divorce. Maybe it is just the tradition in India. Maybe the women are too weak in the relationship. Maybe the women and the men couldn't give a rats ass if they take other lovers. Maybe you get the death penalty or get stoned if you are an adulterer. Maybe men can do whatever the fuck they want and the woman can't do anything about it. Maybe castration is a form of birth control in India? I doubt it is down to spirituality. I really don't know the reason. in fact I don't care and frankly I don't believe it.

SE, go marry an Indian chick. Get castrated (become a Eunuch) in the process. At least you won't have the 'balls' to leave your bride. Not sure about her though leaving you though. To reduce the risk of her fleeing (or courting other males), you could chain her to the bed or lock her in a dungeon.

[QUOTE=Born Loser 5]
Its like an Asian dude advising the size of dicks to a western men. Some things we should better leave it to others. Western folks are never good at relationship stuff, they should not advice people whom they themselves have failed at again and again.
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Although I have never directly compared and only heard circumstantially from bar girls that i see, I agree with your statement that Asian dudes, perhaps especially Chinese guys have tiny weewees. Us Caucasian guys are big like stallions. Who the fuck cares?

Maybe it is the fact that most Asians have tiny dicks, keeps a marriage strong??

As you say Western folks are never good at relationship stuff. I think you should tell this young poor innocent girl NOT to get married to SmartEuropean because he as a Westerner is not good at relationship stuff. Why give him the go ahead, you should protect her, so that she does not lose 'face' and have a bad relationship with a high potential for divorce. Remember Western people are the problem, eastern marriages are made in heaven and are perfect according to you.

[QUOTE=Born Loser 5]
Here western mongers will always pick on the negative side of things and then would happily relate it to money, money, money...everything starts and ends with money for them.

They would never appreciate the culture of family the Filipinos lay emphasis on...rest be assured if you have a Filipino kid, he will be more respectful and would never abandon you to an old age home. At least you will have some people to fall back on. (sorry to bring the kid factor in)

Why would you not love to have a big large family, the western mongers will counter it by saying you will be the family ATM for all, agree, but you would also be the one who would get number 1 respect among all, you would also be the decision maker unlike if you have a western wife who would take all your money yet not listen to you. why haven't anyone mentioned this to you ?
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Big large family, basically no birth control in the Philippines makes for a very poor country. We know who we can thank for this; the extreme Catholic church in that country. Lots of poor impoverished people do not make a strong family or country, only makes for a larger shared poverty. Family planning helps to make life on this planet sustainable.

This is what a big family does to your country: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=922035&postcount=232[/url]
GE is an example of a foreigner with a very successful marriage to a PI girl.

I guess in the PI, family is all you have. Let the girls go out and sell themselves to support the males at home because no one is able to get a job.

If we go back to SmartEuropean's situation, how will he and his own children feel, if his new bride is younger than his existing kids. Just a thought, not a reason to give up but only a consideration.

Should SE and his new bride choose to 'breed' in the future, it is their choice. I hope that they have children they can afford to take care of and not have children because the church commands them to.

I'm willing to bet that if their relationship lasts more than 3 years (hopefully), the pressure to have offspring on SE from his wife will be great. Never say never.

[QUOTE=Born Loser 5]
We can not have both ways, its time for introspection, ever wondered why Asian marriages are successful than the west, if money was the only factor, then west should have the lowest divorce rate... quite the opposite right...which itself says that all assumption that Filipina or Asian girl would be after your money is wrong else if not then west should have successful marriage day in and day out which is not true.[/QUOTE]

I cannot confirm either way if this is true but my feeling is it just a load of meaningless crap. Hey BL5, do you have any statistics for marriages between east and western people? How about different educational levels? Different ages? Different religions?

I fully support SE and his happiness. I wish him success in whatever he decides.

I support people who want to get married. I also support people who choose to get divorced because marriage does not always work. It happens in ALL cultures.

Till death do us part was a lot more meaningful and reasonable when people had a lifespan of 30 years.

[QUOTE=Born Loser 5]
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Good luck to you.....i would say just go for it...if you have taken a thoughtful decision and you feel for it.

Nothing personal folks, i may have touched some sensitive issues, but it is not directed at any particular person. peace out no fighting on opinions :)[/QUOTE]
At least this part of your comment, I will completely agree.

Good points, BL. But you may be missing the boat here: no amount of spirituality (or at least the desire to do good) on a man's part can replace the requirement to evaluate the woman in his life for her fitness to be his long term partner. We know that far more often than not, women who come out of the bar environment do not make good long term partners. Some do, no doubt about that, but many more don't. If a guy wants a long term partner, he stands a better chance of finding a good one if he skips the bargirls. That's the way it is all over, not just in the Phils, and the other posters here are calling it as they see it.

That said, if SE knows the risks and wants to do it anyway, go for it. But he shouldn't come running back here with his tale of woe should it go bad. He asked for help, he got it, now it's up to him whether he will take it in or not.

[QUOTE=Yellow Fever #2]Lots of us mongers support you and your right to marry a bar girl. I previously gave SE my support and some considerations that he should be aware of.
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I don’t know YF a guy should feel like he deserves more in life. I don’t care how ugly, fat, stupid, broke, old…. SE can't you give yourself more credit than that? Just an opinion.

We must get a perspective from where BL comes from. I worked around an Indian guy for over a year. He was a mechanic and worked on my armored Land Cruiser and sometime we would talk. He would go on on about how marriages and people in the west were no good etc. He told me in India most marriages were arranged by parents, he told he could beat his wife and tell her to shut the fuck up and she would not protest the least bit. He told me if you got a divorce in India it was shameful and you would have a hard time finding another partner….you smell what I am cooking?

[QUOTE=Finrod]Good points, BL. But you may be missing the boat here: no amount of spirituality (or at least the desire to do good) on a man's part can replace the requirement to evaluate the woman in his life for her fitness to be his long term partner. We know that far more often than not, women who come out of the bar environment do not make good long term partners. Some do, no doubt about that, but many more don't. If a guy wants a long term partner, he stands a better chance of finding a good one if he skips the bargirls. That's the way it is all over, not just in the Phils, and the other posters here are calling it as they see it.

That said, if SE knows the risks and wants to do it anyway, go for it. But he shouldn't come running back here with his tale of woe should it go bad. He asked for help, he got it, now it's up to him whether he will take it in or not.[/QUOTE]

On the contrary, SE. All forum member would be interested to know how well your relationship got on.

Lots of contributing forum members have Filipina wives and have great relationships. I am sure tons of forum members have married their bargirls, some of these marriages have thrived while others have have been living nightmares.

If you are lucky, your relationship can be a fairy tale. Definitely many bar girls are very good at what they do. They know how to man happy at least in the very short term. With luck and understanding you can be successful in your relationship. I would not put it down to spirituality unless both of you join some sort of cult.

Good luck in whatever you do. We'd all like to know how it worked it. Will it be (hopefully) bliss or hell.

You are far better informed now. I am glad you gave us your story and asked your question. Your story was well written and thought out. I hope the opinions in this forum have proved helpful. May the force be with you.

Go forth and multiply (or not).

Meaning as in: [url]http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/2/messages/152.html[/url] and NOT as in [url]http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Go%20Forth%20and%20Multiply[/url]

Yellow Fever

[QUOTE=Eric Tile]SE

I read and I see your eyes are wide open. Also you are not going to die wondering.

But why you wait until the end of 2011 ? ? This is far too long ! ! No-one knows what will happen tomorrow, next week or next month let alone next year or 2011. Don't wait so long. Do it sooner rather than later.

ET[/QUOTE]Yes, I try to keep my eyes wide open, thank you. Why I want to wait until the end of 2011? maybe it is too long but (1) I want to think well about it (2) I want to know her a bit more (3) I want the time to settle well all my properties and liquid assets (4) I want the youngest of my son graduates (5) I want to give me the time to find maybe a nice girl here to go on having my GF experience at home while happily mongering all over the world and (6) because I like to pace slow. SE

Marriage is an old religious relic that has no relevance to defining a happy twosome. Just a financial and practical institution that is loosing relevance to more people by the day. Of course a marriage can be much more, but to in any way relate a lasting marriages with happiness in life is just naive and traditional rhetorics.

Anyone that followed my posts knows I am a hard headed atheist, at least when we are talking about any traditional sense of religion. I never go in to argument with peoples living in the fantasy land called religion. Neither do I try to convert people who believe the earth is flat.

But to measure personal evolution and happiness in percentage of lasting marriages on a continent is maybe one of the most silly attempt to racial/geographical pride I have seen. Surely such a reflecting and open minded person as BL5 must see through this old fashioned religious invention of controlling female humans?

You come across in this last post as a peculiar mix of an open yet super prejudice mind. If a happy marriage is defined by only putting your dick in ONE woman for the rest of you life, your on pretty thin ice with your statements about Asia and Asian men, don't you agree?

Much of the discussions here are super nationalistic, super conservative and in addition racial. There are no continents. There are no countries. The concept of "nationality" is also a fantasy. It is all in you head. It is theoretical constructions. Just INDIVIDUALS exists. I have more in common with my south American or Asian friends than my neighbor here I north Europe. We are all individuals, and then we apply patterns called culture, traditions and religion, but that is only as much as you make of it in your head. The is no correlation between a lasting marriage and the reason to be proud of oneself. Neither in the opposite.

The notation that there should be any external value in keeping together is all a subjective valuation. It bear no relevance in predicting a maximization of happiness for either a woman or a man. It has nothing to do with "real love".

Sure there are cultural traits, but these are always overshadowed by a personality. I live with a (European) woman that I love. She has negative sides sure, just like I and you. I never met a girl that was all positive. If you wish to discuss est European Art Nouveau architecture or Fassbinder with your soul mate maybe some Pinays fall short, and if you prefer someone that fight you off the kitchen and order you NOT to do dishes maybe you should not begin your search in north Europe. It is a matter of preferences, right?

BL5s statement "Only a fool or an ignorant will tell you not to marry an Asian girl." can only pass uncommented. How can one even begin criticize an ignorant generalization like that?

So the only advice to give must be NOT to listen to anyone here. Romantic, naive optimists, cynics, addicts, etc. We all come here for some distraction and/or socializing in this cheerful and horny little flock of monkeys.

What relevance can be found in any advice here? You can get advice on signals and patterns other have seen and perhaps not reacted on, but thats where the relevance stops. The rest is simplifications serving to air someones ego (just like this is mine blowing off steam. Yes you are correct I have not been to Asia to get my ego fix in a while).

The fact that you ask proves more distance than many here will ever achieve. If you love her, you should be with her. Until you don't love her. Her background does not bear any relevance in predicting your success. You posses the ability and power to react and adapt to whatever errors her background might "make her do" 2-3 years down the line. If the marriage is required for practical reasons it would be a mistake not to marry her, regardless of her background.

I live in a relation since many years, and we all know they are never strait and simple. We all have a history and they all seem just as messed up when looked in to.

After reading all opinions I ask myself what exactly is it in a "bar girls" life experience that would be problematic? The fact that she drinks alcohol regularly (if she even does)? The shame imposed by society in using her body labor for sex instead of making pizzas, circuit boards or fancy hair dresses? Or is it maybe the hard core sales person those girls become in some cases? Seeing every customer as an object to keep happy, to make them hand over as much of their money as possible? Compare this to a waitress, a car seller, an insurance policy sales man, or any other person selling something. They all get affected and alter as persons after a while. I constantly read about people failing to have a happy life with bar girls, but it seems like they are all still in the same phase and mental state as when they met the bar girl. Who is the actual problem in those "attempts"?

This perhaps turned out to be more of a comment on BL5s post than an advice on if a girl that used to have sex to earn money can be categorized as a suitable or non suitable regular partner.

In my opinion you have provided to little facts for anyone to, if ever, give you any relevant advice on this particular person.

But to cut it short I fall in line with BL5, although from my angle. Go ahead and marry her tomorrow! You can always divorce her if things does not work out.

/Best from Barba

"And it really began with Einstein. We attended his lectures. Now the theory of relativity remained. And still remains. Only a theory. It has not been proven. But it suggested a completely different picture of the physical world." Douglas Sirk"

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