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[QUOTE=Dante702;2207716]But, I am tired of the discriminatory aloofness of the KTV bar girls who just go home, happy with their ladies drinks. All they want is "easy money" from the Japanese, Korean, and Chinese.[/QUOTE]Isn't the idea of working to make money the easiest way?
[QUOTE=Dg8787;2207722]No one has to pay for these girls. If they are not your cup of tea then just move along. There are buyers for them. There are expensive luxury cars that I don't see the sense in paying for them. I just move along.[/QUOTE]People always want what they can't have, no matter what it is. That is one of the first stories in the bible. You can have all of this multitude of stuff. Just that one thing you can't have. And what do people say? Fuck this other stuff, I want that stuff that I am not supposed to have. You can stack cow manure in a corner and tell someone that is not for them. First thing they will try to do is see how they can get the cow manure.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2207732]Isn't the idea of working to make money the easiest way?[/QUOTE]I am thinking he is more upset that he can't have them. Even tho he is a young gwapo Fil-Am with a silver tongue.

[QUOTE=Dante702;2207716]Part of the deal is the monger gets to keep the girl permanently.

Sounds like that would be a risky thing to try and do. The whole virginity thing, yeah, seems like a bad bet.

The hot KTV girls though. Do you know what prices they really will accept? 25 k, 50 k for two hours of pussy isn't something I would pay. But, I am tired of the discriminatory aloofness of the KTV bar girls who just go home, happy with their ladies drinks. All they want is "easy money" from the Japanese, Korean, and Chinese.[/QUOTE]I have banged hot KTV girls for zero pesos beyond buying drinks and table fee in the bar. However, you have to see them more than once, and they have to like you. Hence, the minimum they will accept is zero pesos if you are fun and make them laugh. If they don't like you, they will ask for 25 K and up to tolerate a couple hours of the ole in-and-out with you. You will have to wear a rubber on your dicky for the two hours too. However, when a KTV stunner grants you "friends with benefits" status, you can fuck her bareback cum-in-pussy as much as you want. You will need to put some time and money into cultivating the friendship without any guarantee of a return.

Only you can decide if banging the taller sexier KTV girls are worth the effort and expense. If less attractive girls could survive on drinks only from the Japanese, Korean, and Chinese guys, and just go home at the end of the night, they would too. The smart girls all try to limit their risk of picking up a dose of tulo from mongers who drill hundreds of other girls, and being a drinker girl who does not boom-boom many horny random mongers works nicely for them.

You can always try lower end KTVs where the girls may let you do the ole in-and-out for about 7 K / ST.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2207732]Isn't the idea of working to make money the easiest way?
People always want what they can't have, no matter what it is. That is one of the first stories in the bible. You can have all of this multitude of stuff. Just that one thing you can't have. And what do people say? Fuck this other stuff, I want that stuff that I am not supposed to have. You can stack cow manure in a corner and tell someone that is not for them. First thing they will try to do is see how they can get the cow manure.[/QUOTE]Call it what you will, but the Japanese and Korean do this to outsiders. Most Japanese escorts, Korean escorts in their respective countries don't entertain foreigner clients. That's the attitude that I don't like. Bringing that here, establishing bars that don't cater to foreigners is not something I think anyone here likes. I'm not rejected from these KTV bars, I'm seen as an Asian just the same, I just don't want to pay more than what the real prices are, the same as everyone else here with experience.

These KTV bars have the hottest girls. Is the ISG thread just going to balk at it and say, they have an ambiguously higher price?

From what I can tell, the community in general doesn't appreciate ignorant mongerers going out and paying dumbly higher prices, raising the asking price for everyone else.

But, that's what Japanese and Korean seem to be doing, raising the price of full service by basically employing the generally hotter KTV girls to just drink, karaoke, and receive easy money to fuck the smallest dicks in Asia, for the shortest lasting sessions in Asia. 5 minute fuck session for maybe 10000 or more? From the smallest dicks in Asia. For the hotter girls in AC. That doesn't bother any westerner here?

The point of this community it to share knowledge and experience, so that we stay safe and don't go out there getting screwed with foreigner taxes, dynamic pricing, western pricing.

Does anyone on this thread have knowledge or experience for the real going rates for these girls at KTV bars? When I say 25 k, 50 k, that's what I was hearing with respect to Pegasus KTV models in Manila, which from what people on the thread are saying, do not even have serious lookers there.

Here's what I learned from a concierge in AC. KTV girls don't have a price, they are looking long-term. They want to find a man that will take care of them, marry them, support them.

The information that I got about Pegasus KTV having hot celebrity models must be inaccurate, as multiple people here have confirmed. Is my information about KTV girls inaccurate too?

[QUOTE=Dante702;2207851]But, that's what Japanese and Korean seem to be doing, raising the price of full service by basically employing the generally hotter KTV girls to just drink, karaoke, and receive easy money to fuck the smallest dicks in Asia, for the shortest lasting sessions in Asia. 5 minute fuck session for maybe 10000 or more? From the smallest dicks in Asia. For the hotter girls in AC. That doesn't bother any westerner here?[/QUOTE]LOL. Nope. Does not bother me one bit. I don't give a rat's ass about what someone else is doing or paying because I am too busy paying and doing what I am.

I am not going to sit here and complain that I can not get into Tiger Woods' country club. I will set up my own damn country club if that is what I want. I am not going to run around stomping and having a tantrum because I can not afford to do what someone else is doing. That is their shit that they set up for themselves. Why would I feel the need to infiltrate and tell them what their rates should be and how to run their playground? When you set yours up, run it how you want and charge how much you want.

Westerners had 50 years to set up and run shit their way. Can't complain when someone comes along and does their own shit another way.

P. S. Hot celebrity models are only as good as their, makeup, hairdo, and outfit. Take all that shit off and all those broads are the same. I used to fuck a porn star in Brazil. She said to make a movie they would have to go in for 8 hours, and 4 of those hours were spent doing hair and makeup. Don't drool over glitz.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2207863]LOL. Nope. Does not bother me one bit. I don't give a rat's ass about what someone else is doing or paying because I am too busy paying and doing what I am.

I am not going to sit here and complain that I can not get into Tiger Woods' country club. I will set up my own damn country club if that is what I want. I am not going to run around stomping and having a tantrum because I can not afford to do what someone else is doing. That is their shit that they set up for themselves. Why would I feel the need to infiltrate and tell them what their rates should be and how to run their playground? When you set yours up, run it how you want and charge how much you want.

Westerners had 50 years to set up and run shit their way. Can't complain when someone comes along and does their own shit another way.[/QUOTE]I agree with you from the buy side perspective. There is a market that I am happy to partake in. Who am I to complain if others have set up another market that I do not use??

The same can be said from the sell side. I am not interested in girls that are trading only on looks or the quality of the establishment quite often with no effort put into attitude or performance. Sure stunnners are great to look at but I would argue that cuties at the local market can be just as pretty and not have all the baggage of someone who considers herself a village princess.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2207869]Sure stunnners are great to look at but I would argue that cuties at the local market can be just as pretty and not have all the baggage of someone who considers herself a village princess.[/QUOTE]And that is exactly why me and my friends sit at the market in Pattaya all afternoon to pick up chicks, while other mfs are spending all kinds of money in the gogos!

Need to get from Angeles to Sabang.

I am thinking taxi all the way to Batangas pier and then banka obviously. Advice needed on timing and best day. I know last boat leaves around 4/5 pm to Sabang. So am thinking 2 hrs from Angeles to Manila, 2 hrs manila to Batangas Pier, 1 hour approx boat ride plus 1 HR to allow for stuff ups and waiting for banka at Batangas.

Manila traffic will have a lot to do with timing so best days please (def not Sat morn) and thinking leave Angeles around 8 to miss morning peak hour. Anyone done the trip?

Or bite the bullet and just stay onight in manila?

[QUOTE=NewImage;2207878]Need to get from Angeles to Sabang.

I know last boat leaves around 4/5 pm to Sabang. So am thinking 2 hrs from Angeles to Manila, 2 hrs manila to Batangas Pier, 1 hour approx boat ride plus 1 HR to allow for stuff ups and waiting for banka at Batangas.

Manila traffic will have a lot to do with timing so best days please (def not Sat morn) and thinking leave Angeles around 8 to miss morning peak hour. Anyone done the trip?

Or bite the bullet and just stay a night in manila?[/QUOTE]I would spend at least 1 night in MNL because I like MNL girls best. The girls alone draw me to MNL. Cutting a long tedious road trip into two halves is all roses on top of that.

[QUOTE=NewImage;2207878]Need to get from Angeles to Sabang.

I am thinking taxi all the way to Batangas pier and then banka obviously. Advice needed on timing and best day. I know last boat leaves around 4/5 pm to Sabang. So am thinking 2 hrs from Angeles to Manila, 2 hrs manila to Batangas Pier, 1 hour approx boat ride plus 1 HR to allow for stuff ups and waiting for banka at Batangas.

Manila traffic will have a lot to do with timing so best days please (def not Sat morn) and thinking leave Angeles around 8 to miss morning peak hour. Anyone done the trip?

Or bite the bullet and just stay onight in manila?[/QUOTE]Or just fly on the seaplane.

[QUOTE=Dante702;2207437]Three other girls, from a particular KTV, has three girls, who are claimed to be real models or have been models. They look it too, I believe it. KTV's don't barfine, but they offer you a chance to make deals with the girls on the side, if they like you and you can find a price. Their ladies drinks cost more and I'm sure plenty of them purely make their living off of ladies drinks, allowing themselves to be extremely discriminating for the highest bidders or the most good looking young mongerers.![/QUOTE]I've met two KTV girls after hours on their off days. Just normal girls when they are out of the Korean KTV atmosphere.

I have a feeling that the prices quoted may have happened to one girl once, once when one guy was on a bender. Is it happening every night? Was that money spent to the girl or the bar owner?

I cannot afford the korean prices nor do I enjoy the korean bar experience. I don't go there.

BD.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2207737]I am thinking he is more upset that he can't have them. Even tho he is a young gwapo Fil-Am with a silver tongue.[/QUOTE]I stand by my statement here. The only issue with PRICES is he can't afford the 25 k. $500 is not a lot of money and their seems to be ready market for them with plenty of buyers.

Phil is not the land for entitled Americans. I get it. It sucks when your entitled young gwapa Fil-Am looks can't get you anything.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2207912]I stand by my statement here. The only issue with PRICES is he can't afford the 25 k. $500 is not a lot of money and their seems to be ready market for them with plenty of buyers.

Phil is not the land for entitled Americans. I get it. It sucks when your entitled young gwapa Fil-Am looks can't get you anything.[/QUOTE]I don't take pride in being gwapa Fil-Am. I only ever mentioned it because I was leveraging that in getting bareback, in paying what I was paying. It's disingenuous to not include that, it would create the wrong expectations. Young handsome Caucasians are the ones that have it the best here, and everywhere else.

I can afford $500 just fine. I was already spending 12 k LT per night in Manila for 2 months. I paid 7. 5 k USD for a sauna, 12 k USD for a bed, $1300 for a desk. I'm fine with high prices, as long as its for what I really want. I haven't lost, nor do I ever intend to, lose half my wealth to a divorce, a woman I eventually come to hate, and that steals my children.

I'm entertaining the idea of higher priced girls for a long period of time, maybe 2 months straight with an overseas trip, which is why the rate is important to me. If no one here has experience with these higher rates, if there even is an established rate, for these supposedly hotter girls, then just say you don't know. Maybe Koreans and Japanese are the only ones that know these rates, because they are the only ones in the KTV's?

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;2207905]I've met two KTV girls after hours on their off days. Just normal girls when they are out of the Korean KTV atmosphere.

I have a feeling that the prices quoted may have happened to one girl once, once when one guy was on a bender. Is it happening every night? Was that money spent to the girl or the bar owner?

I cannot afford the korean prices nor do I enjoy the korean bar experience. I don't go there.

BD.[/QUOTE]Thanks BrainDrain.

The 25 k, 50 k prices was just what I heard from a GrabCar driver for Pegasus KTV in Manila. I don't know anything about prices in KTV in AC yet, I've only ever been inside for a short time while waiting for another girl.

KTV there is no paying to the owner, KTV is just buying the girls drinks. Any meeting you have with her outside is privately set up, the drinks cost more. They try and sell you on a private room upstairs, where you order food and drinks. The bar makes their money off of that. The girls make their money off of that. It's private enough to negotiate for some action in the room itself.

The korean prices, from where? What prices were you getting? Korean girly Bars (not KTV) on perimeter have cheaper barfines than WS.

[QUOTE=Dante702;2207955]I'm entertaining the idea of higher priced girls for a long period of time, maybe 2 months straight with an overseas trip, which is why the rate is important to me. If no one here has experience with these higher rates, if there even is an established rate, for these supposedly hotter girls, then just say you don't know. Maybe Koreans and Japanese are the only ones that know these rates, because they are the only ones in the KTV's?[/QUOTE]You seem to be asking about two things which are mutually exclusive:

I true high end girl will not be interested in a nightly rate. She will be secured with a car, apartment and generous allowance. She would regard P50 k as walking around money.

A pretty hooker will be available for daily rates. Said rates will depend on her looks and social skills. Plenty of girls are demanding and getting USD 1000 per night without too much trouble.

I can't comment on LT paid relationships with the second category. However I will say that they make great GFs / FWBs, providing both are comfortable with the realities of the relationship. In my case when I was in town, we would be together. No questions were asked about what either did while we were apart. I covered living and travel costs but no extra money changed hands. Everyone in town knew of our relationship. This continued for months until one of her sponsors got jealous of our arrangement and took her to Vietnam to get married.

From this you can see that even if she is a full professional rates for you can be anything from essentially free to as much as you want to pay. It just depends on how commercial you what the arrangement to be. There is no menu of prices but more like the price is what ever you want to pay.