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Its full monger mode for me. Just arrived and did all the usual first day crap like stocking up on booze, toiletries and what not. Lleras is not too busy. Gusto has about a half a dozen prepagos. A couple of them pretty aggressive.
I lined up two dates tomorrow. Both agreed to 150 k. One at 10 am and one at 1 pm. I only fucked up by getting a hotel room this time but I will see how they react.
So I guess 150 k is totally normal pricing. I always thought 200 k was the new price.
So I walked out at around 9 pm and el Centro was still fairly well frequented by regular people. So I didn't feel very unsafe. When I came back at around 11 it was all pretty dead and only weird people, the kind of situation where you are happy to see the garbage man and the road construction crew. The majority of these shady people aren't up to mug you either. I think NYC in the early 90's was worse than this. I think people who come from USA and Europe are just not used to the atmosphere in Centro. But the other thing is, there is not much point to walk around in Centro after 10 pm or so, because even the street walker scene is dying out by that time. It seems to be more of a day scene, especially that weird sexual marketplace around the parks is finished after nightfall.
I was about an hour and a half in Fase Dos. So they do have the dance shows beginning at 10 pm and at least every half hour. At 9 pm it was still almost nobody there. Chicas hanging out and the ugly ones approaching me and sitting down. I decline politely. I wasn't there to try a quickie, I just wanted to see if I get into the mood. But I didn't. I didn't really like most of the chicas. I guess I am spoiled. But again this artificial mechanical fake attitude is something I am just allergic to. Then when the waiter sent me away from the table at the dance thing because I had only a beer and not some expensive liquor shit, I was done with the place and left. The two dance shows I saw was by the two ugly ones (in my eyes).
So I went out and to Luna Lunera to see how that compares. Luna Lunera has a different seating arrangement and it is a bit more like a "casa" where the chicas introduce themselves fairly quickly without pressuring you (like the ugly ones always do, sitting down and striking up a conversation). It was now well after 10 pm getting on 11 pm and I was the only guy there. Initially the chicas had some fun watching two bigger older ones do the pole dance thing. Later on they kind of went on break, of course because I didn't show much interest.
In my view, the only ones interesting are the quiet ones in the background. May be they are new, younger, and prettier. That was the same in Fase Dos and Luna Lunera. I didn't find the Fase Dos chicas much better looking.
After about an hour there I went back to centro to catch the 11 pm situation. I intended to pick some girl out from Conejitas because I wanted to fill my bed. But then I turned on my heels thinking that the Conejitas thing has that hotel, so its probably not a thing to check them out entirely. Also, I had picked up a card of a chica place closer to my Hotel. You know, those little business cards they hand out to single guys strolling the streets. That one was at Calle 58,45 D104. I wanted to go there and get my chick for the night. Alas, when I located the address, there was nothing. Disappointment with the card.
So I walked back to my Hotel. Which reminds me: the weird Centro place is actually limited. When you go east of Carreira 40 or so, it becomes quite peaceful neighborhoods not unlike you can find them in Berlin Charlottenburg for example. And also, as the taxi drivers raced to and fro Centro and Fase Dos and Luna Luneira, there was all this deadness on the streets. I guess that all still counts as centro. But anyway, that Hotel Kong is actually in a decent neighborhood in waling distance of the Centro places.
Now back alone in my hotel room with a neighbor room producing loud music, I felt the urge to fill my bed. And I ran down my list from Photoprepagos. Co. I had made some contacts with some of the girls with whom I chatted as if they were friends or lovers. So that was nice. Unfortunately two of them were offline and the third was sick so she couldn't come over. She sounded so nice as if we had some chemistry. Anyway, in my determination I ran down the list, very many do not respond, or not respond on time. Until I found a certain Paola, 18 years, with no face shown but nice long hair looking good. I whatsapped her and in 10 minutes she was here. When I opened the door I got this shock feeling, like when it's not what was on the package. And we had zero chemistry. She started re-negotiating the time and money, I held firm, but then I offered her an out. Pay her taxi and some extra for time to call it quits. I didn't feel like I would enjoy her. I felt like she didn't like me. This signal where you just have to act and end it or else be suckered into shit and feel ever worse. At least that's the way with me. The weird thing was, she argued that she didn't want to leave. Sure, then she agreed to the terms and wanted the money up front. I didn't resist, but I was stupid because I didn't like her. Handed her the money. Tried it. She got all mechanical before we were even caressing she already reached to unpack condom. Suddenly kissing wasn't allowed. And she couldn't stand my gaze. So it was the real bummer. But strange thing she didn't want to leave. That I rejected her upset her like crazy. And she started an argument. I thought boy what a ridiculous situation! You pay a girl for arguing with you! (You could call that a GFE or another kind, haha!) Finally I ushered her out. Feeling better alone than with an ugly cold fish in bed.
Now I do have a history of bad experiences. I really learn that I am just not the quick monger. I need that chemistry, that slowness, that kissing and GFE stuff. Shit, I wish I could teach myself the other way, but I always fail in that. However, just my last day in Rio I had one over who I didn't really like physically either, but she was nice, and being nice makes such a huge difference. Now that thing tonight was horrible. While the nice chick messaged me. Even that was funny, I had to turn off the chat with the sympathic chica in order to try an encounter with a cold fish. Weird!
So tomorrow I have another one from photoprepagos planned for the two remaining days I have here. We will see how that goes. There is always the risk they are cute on the messaging and get mechanical when in person. That chemistry again. I hope it will work out. I had good experiences with that scheme.
Some pricing intelligence: amanhecida is not really the same as TLN, because they intend to end it early. This terrible Paola chick had thought that amanhecida would end at 3 am. I go like what? The whole point is that you take it slow in the morning and do it when you wake up naturally at 6 am or so. Such amanhecida goes for 250 k. Some quote 600 k. I got a 24 hours for 600 k from a very good looking girl (that is, if she hasn't crippled her hair as so many girls are doing around the world.
[QUOTE=YippieKayay;2053834]I lined up two dates tomorrow. Both agreed to 150 k. One at 10 am and one at 1 pm. I only fucked up by getting a hotel room this time but I will see how they react.
So I guess 150 k is totally normal pricing. I always thought 200 k was the new price.[/QUOTE]I think 200 k is the Bogota price and the Medellin price is a bit lower.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2053804]
If each monger who came to Colombia showed respect for the people there wouldn't be a "say no to sex tourism" campaign, there would be a lot less issues and everyone would have a better time.[/QUOTE]I'm with you JjB, common sense really. The monger world, however, has it's share of guys who just don't get it, or just don't give a flip.
Debating this topic is like beating your head against the wall.
So I don't.
[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2053905]So I walked out at around 9 pm and el Centro was still fairly well frequented by regular people. So I didn't feel very unsafe. When I came back at around 11 it was all pretty dead and only weird people, the kind of situation where you are happy to see the garbage man and the road construction crew. The majority of these shady people aren't up to mug you either. I think NYC in the early 90's was worse than this. I think people who come from USA and Europe are just not used to the atmosphere in Centro. But the other thing is, there is not much point to walk around in Centro after 10 pm or so[/QUOTE]I hate to write again on this topic, but it is to warn people and (possibly) avoid some bad accident in the future.
The fact that you did not feel very unsafe is the perfect depiction of how insidious is the place. You have been lucky, wandering around without recognizing where is the danger, or better you have been NOT UNlucky. The probability of accident is small, but the potential accident is big, so one could still trigger a gun to his head with one bullet over 12 slots, do it 10 times, then smile and conclude "it's safe". Or it looks like one who swims in a pond of Amazonas, with piranhas at the bottom, then concludes happily that it's not so dangerous as he had read before. They were not hungry, maybe, but I would not advise to repeat.
The problem in those areas of Colombia is not the varied crowd of poor humanity, drug sniffers and beggars, but those who are looking at you from distance, conclude you may have something in your pockets, follow you discreetly and, as soon as the opportunity comes, assault you and leave you with nothing (even life, under some circumstances). Trust me: if 2-3 young boys assault you from both sides, point a knife at your back, start to explore your pockets, NOBODY will come to help you. Not the beggars, not the other people like you who are venturing around, not the garbage men. After 12, the police reduces significantly his presence and they may not be able to look after every corner under the metro. I have seen more than once some drunk men assaulted by a group of teens or a couple of big thugs at Prado at night.
I know what I am talking about as I have been walking around the Centro up to 2 am at times years ago, to look for the single gem hidden under tons of garbage (now I prefer to go with the taxi of one of my friend drivers). It's a challenge: always keep distance with anyone who is walking in group of 2 or more people, change way if they seem to walk toward you, look at left, right, front, and back. Never enter the alleys (you know the Indians attacking the US soldiers in canyons in the western movies? Never turn a corner close to the wall (who is waiting at the other side? It may be a surprise).
The worse danger is when one is not aware of the danger.
Colombia is best known for Pablo Escobar, cocaine, drugs and prostitutes. If she had no clue about that I find it pretty hilarious how out of touch with reality she has to be.
And that Colombia would be a "good catholic country", lmfao. That person knows nothing about Colombia.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2053804]If you own a home and you rent that home to another person, they are a guest in your home. If you live in a different home, they are still a guest in your home. If you live in another city or another country, they are still a guest in your home. No matter how many homes you own, each one is your home and each person staying in each home is a guest in your home.[/QUOTE]If you LIVE in that 'Home' & rent that 'Home' to someone else, your point is valid. Otherwise, you are renting a 'house' to someone else.
My thoughts are:
If you own a "house" and and live in it, then you rent that "house" to another person, they are a guest in your "home". If you live in a different "house", they are still a guest in your "house". If you live in another city or another country, they are still a guest in your "house". No matter how many "house" you own, each one is your "house" and each person staying in each "house" is a guest in your "house".
"If each monger who came to Colombia showed respect for the people there wouldn't be a "say no to sex tourism" campaign, there would be a lot less issues and everyone would have a better time. "
I agree 100%. This applies to any country anywhere in the world, mongering or not!
Well I have found the in your face obnoxious girls to be the ones around the SW corner of the park, keep walking that direction and make a right at the little white church, go down a block and right, those girls are more professional so to speak, both sides of the street. This vid starts out around the side of the church:
[URL]https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph593d7efb11739[/URL]
Not always hot ones around but they are 30 k /$10, I have found a few worth seeing more then once there.
You might be a little picky though if you didn't find any hotties in FaseII though. I've only been there on a Fri night, past 11 p they had 60 girls on, all cute, top 10 very cute, like Miss Hawaiian Tropic cute.
You can get girls to leave Conejitas / Barre Exjectiva / Mariciabo etc, you just have to pay the club fee, around 50 k.
These are pics are all from the block behind the Church.
[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2053905]So I walked out at around 9 pm and el Centro was still fairly well frequented by regular people. So I didn't feel very unsafe. When I came back at around 11 it was all pretty dead and only weird people, the kind of situation where you are happy to see the garbage man and the road construction crew. The majority of these shady people aren't up to mug you either. I think NYC in the early 90's was worse than this. I think people who come from USA and Europe are just not used to the atmosphere in Centro. But the other thing is, there is not much point to walk around in Centro after 10 pm or so, because even the street walker scene is dying out by that time. It seems to be more of a day scene, especially that weird sexual marketplace around the parks is finished after nightfall.
I was about an hour and a half in Fase Dos. So they do have the dance shows beginning at 10 pm and at least every half hour. At 9 pm it was still almost nobody there. Chicas hanging out and the ugly ones approaching me and sitting down. I decline politely. I wasn't there to try a quickie, I just wanted to see if I get into the mood. But I didn't. I didn't really like most of the chicas. I guess I am spoiled. But again this artificial mechanical fake attitude is something I am just allergic to. Then when the waiter sent me away from the table at the dance thing because I had only a beer and not some expensive liquor shit, I was done with the place and left. The two dance shows I saw was by the two ugly ones (in my eyes)..[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2053999]Colombia is best known for Pablo Escobar, cocaine, drugs and prostitutes. If she had no clue about that I find it pretty hilarious how out of touch with reality she has to be.
And that Colombia would be a "good catholic country", lmfao. That person knows nothing about Colombia.[/QUOTE]More than insulting for Colombia, your words qualify the poster and his level of knowledge about Colombia. Probably just from Fox News or some TV serials. Embarrassing to say the least.
I live in TX 9 months, and run a top dollar consultancy from home. So can't quite qualify myself as loser.
And, I spend 3 months out a year in Medellin, for business and pleasure.
Currently I find it as a very safe city and so does many of my gringo friends who bought properties here. We just avoid walking in the dark in bad part of city and be vigilant. And its true for any big US cities like Chicago or Baltimore.
We don't do anything illegal and lead a healthy life.
People of Colombia have been very welcoming and nice to us. And I love the weather in MDE.
But we like the bad rep from Pablo's era, or the bad rep from Netflix movie Narcos, LOL. So it stays less crowded.
My 2 cents.
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2053999]Colombia is best known for Pablo Escobar, cocaine, drugs and prostitutes. If she had no clue about that I find it pretty hilarious how out of touch with reality she has to be.
And that Colombia would be a "good catholic country", lmfao. That person knows nothing about Colombia.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=BlackPage;2054079]More than insulting for Colombia, your words qualify the poster and his level of knowledge about Colombia. Probably just from Fox News or some TV serials. Embarrassing to say the least.[/QUOTE]The guy has a valid point. What does everyone in this thread know about Suriname or Paraguay? They didn't have a Pablo Escobar. Something has to put a place on the map.
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2053999]Colombia is best known for Pablo Escobar, cocaine, drugs and prostitutes. If she had no clue about that I find it pretty hilarious how out of touch with reality she has to be.
And that Colombia would be a "good catholic country", lmfao. That person knows nothing about Colombia.[/QUOTE]You need to qualify your statement. Add "by American idiots who know nothing. " Your opening statement should read "Colombia is best known for Pablo Escobar, cocaine, drugs and prostitutes by American idiots who know nothing. ".
I don't know much about Colombia. I've only been living here less than 3 months. Most of my Colombian friends are under 30, so they still probably have things to learn about Colombia.
During the past 80 days I haven't seen any cocaine and nobody I know has mentioned cocaine or other drugs. I've walked past a few people smoking weed and catch a whiff of it from time to time, but it hasn't been offered in any way. One of my friends has mentioned Pablo Escobar a few times, in pointing out empty houses that supposedly once belonged to Escobar assiciates. It's never been a real conversation topic.
As for prostitutes, I've seen a few, professionally and while out and about. I probably average seeing 500 to 1000 people per day (Metro, Ciclovia, malls). So between 40,000 and 80,000 people and perhaps 20 prostitutes. Several I just assumed they were prostitutes, with no real indication. During the same time I've been in about 30 taxis, 10 buses and 20 Ubers. From my experience Colombia is better known for paid transport drivers than prostitutes.
I have learned a few things about Colombia. It's a very Catholic country. Most buses and taxis have either a rosary, or a statue of a saint. Some have several. There's a Catholic shrine just south of CC Santa Fe. I've seen several drivers cross themselves as they pass it, and it's packed on Saturday evenings, Sundays and holidays. Friends have pointed out a few other places which are significant to the local Catholics as well. Speaking of holidays, of the 20 national holidays observed in Colombia, 11 of them are Catholic holidays.
Another thing I've learned is that many Colombians are sick of stupid gringos obsessing over Pablo Escobar. Last I checked he's still dead. They've moved on, maybe it's time you did too.
I've also learned that the Colombians around me have no use for drugs or prostitutes and they really wish uneducated US trailer trash would begin to appreciate the many other things Colombia has to offer.
Most Colombians know about prostitution, just like most Americans. Most know about drugs and Escobar. However, just like most Americans, they don't appreciate people bringing drugs or prostitutes into their lives.
Perhaps you need to learn a little more about Colombia.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2054132]The guy has a valid point. What does everyone in this thread know about Suriname or Paraguay? They didn't have a Pablo Escobar. Something has to put a place on the map.[/QUOTE]In this thread, you may have a point. But as useful as this thread is, it represents a tiny portion of the people, and too many of the posters have a very narrow education. When Colombia first popped up on my radar, I was unaware of the prostitution here. I knew about the cocaine and Escobar, but nothing about prostitution. Most of what I already knew had nothing to do with drugs, Escobar or prostitutes.
As I started researching I became aware of the seedier side. Although my drug days are long behind me, I'm interested in the occasional paid entertainment. I also learned about other aspects of Colombia. My friends here are all college educated, most have traveled throughout the country and they love their country.
Instead of the best place for a BBBJ I've been learning about the best cazuela, mondongo and arepas. Instead of cocaine and weed, I've been experimenting with different tropical fruits. Most of my conversations deal with modeling, photography, fashion and video production, not El Centro glue sniffers.
If the only thing a person knows about Colombia is Escobar, cocaine and prepagos, they don't know anything about Colombia.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2054174]In this thread, you may have a point. But as useful as this thread is, it represents a tiny portion of the people, and too many of the posters have a very narrow education.[/QUOTE]You are losing focus. This is International Sex Guide, not CulturalExchange punto com. People come here to find out about getting laid, not to sharpen their knowledge of other countries.
I would assert that most of the world has a very narrow education. I was talking online to a chick in Bogota last night. I told her I was from Atlanta. Since she had never heard of it she asked what time it was there. When I gave her the time she said morning or night. Any geographically inclined person would have already known the USA is right north of Colombia so obviously it would be the same time of day. But why the hell would she know that if she has never needed to know that?
Even me with an MBA in International Business focusing on Brazil and Latin America could not tell you a damn thing about Paraguay and Bolivia simply because I have never needed to know. If something were to pique my interest in those places (such as Pablo Escobar does Colombia for many foreigners) then I would do research and find out more. But as of now I have a very narrow education as far as those places are concerned. You got to start somewhere, and you can't knock someone for not knowing something or not being as passionate about something as you are.
Even my last semester of grad school studying in France I had a classmate there with me who only wanted to party. He didn't want to learn anything about the French culture or do any sightseeing. He said he would worry about shit like that when he got married and had a family.
[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2053905]So tomorrow I have another one from photoprepagos planned for the two remaining days I have here. We will see how that goes. There is always the risk they are cute on the messaging and get mechanical when in person. That chemistry again. I hope it will work out. I had good experiences with that scheme.[/QUOTE]For chemistry and TLN I would give the Centro strip clubs another chance (sounds like you didn't make it to them anyway) With a Prepago it is going to be very hit or miss if you get a good one, could be old or touched up pics or just a girl who is very photogenic but not as hot in person. Plus she can be a wacko or a snow queen.
At the strip clubs you'll be able to sit and drink with a few different girls and find one that floats your boat. I found one in Conejitas who is still my fav in MED, we WhatsApp all the time and I'll see her next time I am there, she is always happy and sweet and GFE with me, plus knockout gorgeous to me.
Try:
Conejitas Show Bar.
CL. 53 #51-41 (NW across street from Plaza Botero).
And.
Barra Ejecutiva.
Calle 53 #48-20.
If you find nothing at 1st wait or come back, new girls showing up all the time.