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[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2055786]I write this as I sit here in Tijuana spending my 4th of July vacation in the bars (Hong Kong), and where you can find sexy, sweet and young Latinas all to my liking.[/QUOTE]How do you get a phone signal there to write? I always lose mine when I go inside.
[QUOTE=HasideasTao;2055828]Numbers get thrown around and publicized a lot. IT gets into your subconscious and it never seems to be in a way that favors my position.
So I would like to throw around a few of my own. Centro casas are avg 38 mil for a 30 minute get to know you test drive. I have met so many great girls this way. I admit it is not for everyone as there is a lot of walking and a bit of patience to find someone I would like to see outside of their workplace. But when I do, there has not been one who refuses 100 mil to meet me at my place. Sometimes I offer 80 mil + taxis. I play it by ear. Everything is negotiable. My new friends will almost always hang out for 2+ hours. I always tell them they can leave when they want. I usually cook something or invite them for a drink or lunch or whatever. Like a regular person. Most will come back when I invite them. Some will hound me, when are we getting together again. Some I never hear from again.
Centro strip clubs are open until 2 am sun-wed and often close earlier. I have NEVER had a problem taking a girl back to my place for 100 when the place closes up or inviting them for another day via whatsapp. I did this in san diego show once in the past year. But I rarely go to san diego show.
Facebook girls who I have never met seem to ask 150 - 200 plus taxi. I always counter with 100. Some laugh and I unfriend. Some accept this or negotiate to at least confirm the extra taxi money. Most end up making the date. Sometimes I go up to the 150 but at this stage of my game, I have enough girls who rock it for 100 or less in my little black book, I have to be very intrigued to promise 150. I would like to add many facebook girls do not talk about money and will still make plans to meet up in public some where. Lucky me, some aren't looking for money. Some will accept whatever I give them, and some will discuss it over the beer or coffee when we finally meet. Most accept 100. Some fight for the 150.
A visiting buddy of mine called a 18 yr old flaca from photoprepagos for 150+ taxi for an hour. She hung out with us for about 30 minutes until they went to his bedroom. He has since left and given me her contact. Having met her I told her I have a small group of amigitas and I always give them 100 if she would be ok with that to visit me. She said, what about the taxi. I said no problem. And there is no problem. I am happy to add her to the roster and she seems happy to be on the team. LOL.
A girl working in a bakery all day on her feet gets paid max 45 mil pesos a day. She has to pay her own metro passages. She has to bring or pay for her own food. Some get paid weekly some get paid every two weeks.
So when a barrio girl thinks she can ask for 150 mil+ its because its what her gaggle of friends told her to do. If you have any patience or negotiating skills, they will accept a lot less because they know it is a lot. Average barrio rent is 200-400 mil a month. And most of them do not live alone so they are sharing this already very low rent. Granted, some girls are hardened and they know that if they hold out for their number they will get it. Honestly, those are NOT the girls I want to me meeting.
ITs a numbers game. Guys get all gaga over a few sexy facebook photos that are filtered to death! Face to face always gives you the best negotiating power. Also, never forgetting this is still by far a buyers market. 200 mil is NOT the norm. I think for a spontaneous anonymous hook up, 150 mil is the norm. For a face to face strip club hook up, or for a second or third date I would expect a break on the price. I promise, if you are repeating with a girl consecutive times and giving her 150 mil+ each time, she will subconsciously feel she does not deserve it and your relationship with her will likely suffer.
Face to face on the street for a short time, I don't care if she is a street worker or just a hot chica walking down the street running errands, 50-100 mil is the norm with a curve for your ability to negotiate and convince them your are a nice guy.[/QUOTE]Good information! I admit I have zero casa experience. IYO, do these girls look as attractive on average as say a Fase Dos girl?
[QUOTE=Lou32;2055919]Good information! I admit I have zero casa experience. IYO, do these girls look as attractive on average as say a Fase Dos girl?[/QUOTE]No!
Although I do not like to encourage too much window shopping, it does take more patience visiting various casas to find someone you like. At fase dos I am sure you can find someone you will think is "hot" a lot easier. However, in my experience, while a Fase 2 girl can be a lot of fun, it will be more difficult to get a sincere experience and a real connection. A casa girl will usually be more down to earth.
[QUOTE=Lou32;2055919]Good information! I admit I have zero casa experience. IYO, do these girls look as attractive on average as say a Fase Dos girl?[/QUOTE]Not all Fase Dos girls are hot. In the casas, there are many good looking ones and many not so good looking ones. Each casa usually have a couple of hotties.
[QUOTE=Queens35;2056017]Not all Fase Dos girls are hot. In the casas, there are many good looking ones and many not so good looking ones. Each casa usually have a couple of hotties.[/QUOTE]For most, the goal isn't to find the average girl in a place. If you're happy with a 5-7, shop the streetwalkers. If you're looking for a 6-8, hit the casas. If you want a 7-10 hit the high end spots, Fase II, Energy, Facebook, SA or the escort services. Why pay the price for a 9 or 10, when you're happy with a 5? Why waste your time looking for a 10 on the street?
The downside is that a 9 or 10 might give a crappy performance and a 5 or 6 might give a great one.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2056070]For most, the goal isn't to find the average girl in a place. If you're happy with a 5-7, shop the streetwalkers. If you're looking for a 6-8, hit the casas. If you want a 7-10 hit the high end spots, Fase II, Energy, Facebook, SA or the escort services. Why pay the price for a 9 or 10, when you're happy with a 5? Why waste your time looking for a 10 on the street?
The downside is that a 9 or 10 might give a crappy performance and a 5 or 6 might give a great one.[/QUOTE]Let the chuuch say Amen!
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2056070]For most, the goal isn't to find the average girl in a place. If you're happy with a 5-7, shop the streetwalkers. If you're looking for a 6-8, hit the casas. If you want a 7-10 hit the high end spots, Fase II, Energy, Facebook, SA or the escort services. Why pay the price for a 9 or 10, when you're happy with a 5? Why waste your time looking for a 10 on the street?
The downside is that a 9 or 10 might give a crappy performance and a 5 or 6 might give a great one.[/QUOTE]To me there is nothing special about a Fase 2 chick. Surgery, a bunch of makeup, and club lighting is not what makes a 10 IMHO. The only reason I ever went there in the first place is because I decided to try it while the peso was in the shitter. When it was 1600 to 1 I would have never walked into the place, but at half price I didn't mind giving it a try.
And like you alluded to, the Fase 2 girl that I spent what 190k (don't remember the prices) on did not hold a candle performance-wise... hell looks wise either... to a 60K DeGreiff chick that I found. What I understand though is that ambiance costs money, although the product may not be superior.
[QUOTE=JamesPearle;2054504]If you get pissed off easily and hate answering questions, please stop reading now.
I am brand new on the subject of Colombia. I have been as far south as Panama. Can somebody give a quick run down on how to get initiated. I am looking for lower prices and better quality than I can get in USA. I want to be knee deep in 9's and 10's for about 7 days in a nice hotel room. I can speak some Spanish. I do not want any risk of getting abducted, beaten, or killed. My budget is around $1500 for food, hotel, and chicas.
Which city in Colombia would you recommend for a first timer? Any other advice?[/QUOTE]Well, since nobody has responded to your post, it looks like everyone stopped reading except me. But since you've contributed some trip reports to ISG, I'll give you my thoughts and hopefully they'll help.
How does someone like yourself get initiated on the subject of mongering in Colombia? Simple: research. Take a look at my trip reports. Long before my flights landed in Colombia and Sint Maarten and Hungary and Russia and El Salvador and Mexico, I spent a few hours reading posts on ISG. When a casa or website was referenced in a post, I used Google and Google Chrome to search and learn more about the casas and websites discussed. And I have quickly learned that just a few hours of research makes the difference between mongering success and failure in a foreign country.
In Colombia, I have personally been to San Andres Island, Cartagena, Cali, Bogota, and Medellin, and have mongered in three out of five of those locations, most before I even knew ISG existed (which is why I don't have trip reports for some of those locations). Mongering is similar and different in those locations, so reading posts here on ISG will give you the idea of how to work the system in each one.
If you're not heading to Colombia anytime soon, I suggest you pick up a copy of Lonely Planet Colombia. You don't have to read the entire book, and it will give you a great idea as to the layout of each city, as well as good hotel and restaurant choices. Cross-reference what you discover in Lonely Planet Colombia with a site like TripAdvisor, which can better explain if a hotel or restaurant is a quality place or a dump.
As far as where you should visit in Colombia for the first time, the choice is yours. If you like a tropical vacation and visiting casas at night, go to San Andres Island. If you like good weather and doing the tourism thing during the day and mongering at night, head to Medellin. If you want the same type of mongering as Medellin but sweating your balls off during the day from the heat and humidity, go to Cartagena. If you like even cooler weather with mongering at night, go to Bogota. If you like a smaller city in which to monger and doing the tourism thing isn't important, go to Cali. About the only place I would not suggest going is Barranquilla, which is an industrial city, lacks touristy things to do, and is only worth visiting when Carnival is going on down there.
Feel free to ask me any questions or offer any comments that come to mind. I'm sure others on this forum might agree or disagree with some things that I've said, but that's fine and I've offered you my two cents.
Street Walkers. Calle 85 and Carrera 51, in front of the Hotel Cielo Azul, Ayura Metro Stop, San Fernando. 30-60 Chicas. Prices: 20-30 k 30 min. Hours: Afternoon and best time after 10 pm.
[QUOTE=PapiOso;2054787]I took a quick swing to check out La Mayorista on my trip this past May, and couldn't quite locate the block. I walked around the centro commercial, saw lots of trucking companies and whatnot, but never did see any hotels or girls. I'm guessing I was a block shy or to one side. Could you share a little more specific directions to the block in question? Much appreciated![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=HasideasTao;2055828]Numbers get thrown around and publicized a lot. IT gets into your subconscious and it never seems to be in a way that favors my position.
So I would like to throw around a few of my own. Centro casas are avg 38 mil for a 30 minute get to know you test drive. I have met so many great girls this way. I admit it is not for everyone as there is a lot of walking and a bit of patience to find someone I would like to see outside of their workplace. But when I do, there has not been one who refuses 100 mil to meet me at my place. Sometimes I offer 80 mil + taxis. I play it by ear. Everything is negotiable. My new friends will almost always hang out for 2+ hours. I always tell them they can leave when they want. I usually cook something or invite them for a drink or lunch or whatever. Like a regular person. Most will come back when I invite them. Some will hound me, when are we getting together again. Some I never hear from again.
Centro strip clubs are open until 2 am sun-wed and often close earlier. I have NEVER had a problem taking a girl back to my place for 100 when the place closes up or inviting them for another day via whatsapp. I did this in san diego show once in the past year. But I rarely go to san diego show.
Facebook girls who I have never met seem to ask 150 - 200 plus taxi. I always counter with 100. Some laugh and I unfriend. Some accept this or negotiate to at least confirm the extra taxi money. Most end up making the date. Sometimes I go up to the 150 but at this stage of my game, I have enough girls who rock it for 100 or less in my little black book, I have to be very intrigued to promise 150. I would like to add many facebook girls do not talk about money and will still make plans to meet up in public some where. Lucky me, some aren't looking for money. Some will accept whatever I give them, and some will discuss it over the beer or coffee when we finally meet. Most accept 100. Some fight for the 150.
A visiting buddy of mine called a 18 yr old flaca from photoprepagos for 150+ taxi for an hour. She hung out with us for about 30 minutes until they went to his bedroom. He has since left and given me her contact. Having met her I told her I have a small group of amigitas and I always give them 100 if she would be ok with that to visit me. She said, what about the taxi. I said no problem. And there is no problem. I am happy to add her to the roster and she seems happy to be on the team. LOL.
A girl working in a bakery all day on her feet gets paid max 45 mil pesos a day. She has to pay her own metro passages. She has to bring or pay for her own food. Some get paid weekly some get paid every two weeks.
So when a barrio girl thinks she can ask for 150 mil+ its because its what her gaggle of friends told her to do. If you have any patience or negotiating skills, they will accept a lot less because they know it is a lot. Average barrio rent is 200-400 mil a month. And most of them do not live alone so they are sharing this already very low rent. Granted, some girls are hardened and they know that if they hold out for their number they will get it. Honestly, those are NOT the girls I want to me meeting.
ITs a numbers game. Guys get all gaga over a few sexy facebook photos that are filtered to death! Face to face always gives you the best negotiating power. Also, never forgetting this is still by far a buyers market. 200 mil is NOT the norm. I think for a spontaneous anonymous hook up, 150 mil is the norm. For a face to face strip club hook up, or for a second or third date I would expect a break on the price. I promise, if you are repeating with a girl consecutive times and giving her 150 mil+ each time, she will subconsciously feel she does not deserve it and your relationship with her will likely suffer.
Face to face on the street for a short time, I don't care if she is a street worker or just a hot chica walking down the street running errands, 50-100 mil is the norm with a curve for your ability to negotiate and convince them your are a nice guy.[/QUOTE]This should be required reading for those visiting Medellin! Spot on on all issues. If a girl even brings up the USD / peso exchange rate with me, I cut off further conversation / contact with her.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2056070]For most, the goal isn't to find the average girl in a place. If you're happy with a 5-7, shop the streetwalkers. If you're looking for a 6-8, hit the casas. If you want a 7-10 hit the high end spots, Fase II, Energy, Facebook, SA or the escort services. Why pay the price for a 9 or 10, when you're happy with a 5? Why waste your time looking for a 10 on the street?
The downside is that a 9 or 10 might give a crappy performance and a 5 or 6 might give a great one.[/QUOTE]There are plenty of not-that attractive chicas in both Fase II and Energy.
[QUOTE=Combo;2056213]This should be required reading for those visiting Medellin! Spot on on all issues. If a girl even brings up the USD / peso exchange rate with me, I cut off further conversation / contact with her.
There are plenty of not-that attractive chicas in both Fase II and Energy.[/QUOTE]Absolutely! There are those who say there are lots of 7's and 8's on the streets and 8's and 9's in the casas. But if you're just going after looks, the high end spots are the most fertile ground.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;2056217]Absolutely! There are those who say there are lots of 7's and 8's on the streets and 8's and 9's in the casas. But if you're just going after looks, the high end spots are the most fertile ground.[/QUOTE]I don't know about the 8's and 9's in the casas being that common. However the hottest chica I've had in MDE in the last two years was indeed in a Centro casa. Not only a near 10 in looks w a natural body, but a great performer. I extended the sesiand to an hour, but stupidly didn't get her number. Of course she left the casa and seemingly disappeared from the scene.
You are certainly right that, on average, a chica in Fase II will be more atractive than one in a centro casa.
[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2056207]Street Walkers. Calle 85 and Carrera 51, in front of the Hotel Cielo Azul, Ayura Metro Stop, San Fernando. 30-60 Chicas. Prices: 20-30 k 30 min. Hours: Afternoon and best time after 10 pm.[/QUOTE]That's old info I believe. Prices are between 50-70 k + love motel. I didn't see 30-60 chicas in the afternoon. Maybe at night.
[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2056207]Street Walkers. Calle 85 and Carrera 51, in front of the Hotel Cielo Azul, Ayura Metro Stop, San Fernando. 30-60 Chicas. Prices: 20-30 k 30 min. Hours: Afternoon and best time after 10 pm.[/QUOTE]I have not been to Mayo in a long time. Are you sure about the pricing? I never heard of 20 k for 30 minutes. At least not from anyone I would do.
Many guys don't want to check out Mayo because it is out of the way and they hear it is a "street scene."
Well, true on both counts but its only like 15 mil taxi from centro. Less from Poblado. And as far as street scenes go, it's the most civilized I have experienced. A lot of dogs but usually a few hotties can be found.
Hey combo thanks for the props!
Headed back to Lleras last night for my third and final (for awhile) night of playing gringo. Play wasn't on my agenda because I had an early appointment today.
Met a visiting monger at The Beer Store before heading to another bar. The bar is a couple blocks off the park and is supposed to have a similar business model as Gusto, bring in talent for the customers to pick up. The bar is nice, new furniture, comfortable. It was also dead. There were 2 girls sitting in the corner talking to a guy who worked there and 2 very hot (by my standards) bartenders. Drink prices were about average for the area. Don't knoe prices on the girls. Would be a good place with a few more customers.
Left about 1 am and headed back to the park so my friend could grab a taxi. I prefer to walk down and grab one in front of Parque Poblado. Several good looking compaņeras in the park. Stopped and chatted briefly with a few, but didn't ask a price, since I wasn't buying. 2 police on a moto went by while we were talking and just gave a smile and a nod.
My first time in Lleras that late. There are definitely some options that I'd consider on a different night. Might have to wait to find a reasonable price though.