FKK Sharks - Darmstadt

Interesting past few pages in this forum:

PRICING. It was very clear that before 2017 there was pretty much a rigid structure. In Sharks 50 for every 30 "standard service" and 50 for CIM, 50 as an extra, 50 for sado, and 100 for anal. This included DFK (for some not so deep), BBBJ and FS. The new law provided girls with a great opportunity to offer an upsell of BBBJ for the first time. This lead on to seeking upsell on other services. Some asking for money for DFK, some refusing it, etc. It became "open season" for a few months. But even in Artemis (I was there just after the new law and boy those girls embraced it!) the open season closed after a few months. Why? Because many girls, to get business would tell customers they were happy to go back to the "old" rules and would do standard service. That had to spread out to a lot of girls or they would not have been busy if they maintained the CBJ in the price. However, what has undoubtedly occurred is that this development has converted the girls into a more entrepreneurial and free choice situation. ALL girls will do BBBJ in the price if you say you are having a room for 100 hour. Never heard anyone say no and why would they? DFK has very much become a personal choice for the girls. Some do it, some positively like doing it and don't upsell it, and many don't like it ("I only do this with my boyfriend" - until you pay extra of course in which case the boyfriend is quickly forgotten! It is also a bit of a club policy issue. I find that getting DFK in Palace is not as easy as it is in Oase or Sharks. The girls in Palace and Mainhattan, for me, are more "sharky". They are smaller clubs so maybe they can choose to be so. The numbers of competition are not as high.

Pricing HAS become more of an open option for the girls. I reported on my last trip to Oase the lovely Lorena, very pretty, a little overweight but sexy, will have ZERO negotiation on long rooms. She is a strict 100/30 minutes (CBJ) or 200/60 minutes (BBBJ). When I told her I might stay 2 hours and asked for a quote she told me its 400. I told her this is not normal behaviour. Girls always give discounts for longer time rooms and already her prices are above the club norm. Even in the face of one of my regulars very kindly trying to help by speaking to her and generously saying she would have a great time in the room with a lot of fun. No negotiation. I politely declined any time. Good luck to her. She clearly is very busy and demand for her produces normal economic considerations. She can afford to pitch high prices as she clearly has enough takers. I will confess it surprised me. What surprised me even more was my conversation with the very cute but very miserable receptionist. I told her one girl (I offered no names and was not asked) wanted 100/30, 200/60 and asked the club policy. I was told that the club does NOT set rates and it is up to the girls. I very seriously doubt that would have been the answer pre-2017. In some clubs (e. G. Hamburg) BBBJ has always been extra yet DFK is standard.

All of this adds up to one thing: whether it kills the mood or not, it has become imperative to get things 100% clear before entering the room. I always tell the girl "I really like you and would like us to have some time together in the room but I want us to get the business part out of the way before we go up, so we are both clear and we don't have any discussions about money in the room". By most, this seems to be well received, other than by those who now fear their normal upselling has been killed off (which it has).

As for guys who choose to pay over the top. I do not accept it sets the bar too high for everyone else. Girls know they will have the odd bit of good fortune. A punter who tips well, or another who overpays. But they also know that the vast majority will know and expect normal prices (whatever they now are!

FINGERING. Another interesting topic. In my sadly very long experience, most girls do not want you to do this. Many will allow it if they either like you, the chemistry goes well, or you genuinely get them aroused and they would prefer to have said no but feel they are enjoying it, or, you pay for it (excuse the pun. My nick on ISG). I don't blame them. If they are busy they are fucking a lot of guys and their pussys are already taking a lot of action in a day. Having some guy probe around in there is not ideal. Worse, this really does increase the risk of infections (not STIs) - guys who didn't wash properly, dirt in fingernails despite a shower / just been with another girl he fingered, maybe even in the ass etc etc.

Happy mongering!

[QUOTE=MrStyles;2395791]... and by general consent, in every FKK it is 50 euros for 30 minutes. Only in Artemis does one pay 80 euro entry and 60 euros per half hour ...[/QUOTE]I want to inform you that at Goldentime in Vienna they officially increased the price from 60 for 30 minutes to 70 for 30 minutes.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2395875] What surprised me even more was my conversation with the very cute but very miserable receptionist. I told her one girl (I offered no names and was not asked) wanted 100/30, 200/60 and asked the club policy. I was told that the club does NOT set rates and it is up to the girls. I very seriously doubt that would have been the answer pre-2017. In some clubs (e. G. Hamburg) BBBJ has always been extra yet DFK is standard.
All of this adds up to one thing: whether it kills the mood or not, it has become imperative to get things 100% clear before entering the room. ![/QUOTE]I ran a business in Germany for many years, there are strict labor laws. By holding firm to the separation "price of entrance" vs "Price of Service", FKKs maintain the status of running a "open work space" vs being an employer. Not that I'm an attorney, but when I look at all the websites that say "in bold print" GIRLS ARE FREE TO SET THEIR OWN PRICE. I wonder if this is more about the legal side to the whole industry and not a lack of concern or indifference.

Just thinking out loud. Worth as much as a fart in a windstorm.

It was my first trip to Sharks in the last 10 months. I arrived at the club around 6 pm on Thursday and the club was a little bit empty. I did notice that the club had done couple of changes such as lighting systems above the bar and the entertainment system close to the entrance. A couple of people just pointing at the screen nonstop, it seems fun. To be honest, according to my observation, around 30% to 40% of the girls I have encountered are new. The quality overall was decent however, I would not call it excellent compare to the line up in 2016 or 2017. Francesca and Sabin were the girls I have sessioned separately with in the last three days, they know what my preferences are and always provide great services, no upselling. The older I get the more I want to stick with the girls I have seen before, going out of my way and trying new girls seem to like betting the chip on color red on roulette game, never know how the things will end up.

A taxi driver asked me if I would like to to go Oase when I was on my way to Sharks, I told him girls at Oase are hotter in general, however they are really sharky and try to up sell all the time. I could not remember how many times I have been to sharks, every time I walk in some of the working staffs recognize me and some of the girls I seen pretty often would come over just chat with me, all those things make me feel comfortable and want to stay longer each time. I think those are the main reasons I choose sharks over other clubs. I am truly jealous of people have easy access to FKK clubs in Europe. For me if I want to come to Germany, flights and time flexibility from work had to be considered in advance. Airfare and jetlag could be a pain in the neck sometime. Girls in New York provide less service could cost at least triple the price. Since *** was down so there is no way you could tell the girl you request will even provide "ok" service. I had read some of the people mentioning people not from EU are spoiling the girls, girls in the US are truly spoiled.

Have fun guys, most likely I will return after two months.

[QUOTE=Steppenwolf11;2395888]I want to inform you that at Goldentime in Vienna they officially increased the price from 60 for 30 minutes to 70 for 30 minutes.[/QUOTE]Same rate than Wellcum and Andiamo, when GT girls killed GT business with upselling and left to move to Germany to get business for 50/30 instead of 60/30 . WGs cleverness.

Many girls dislike fingering because it can cause infections. The girl has no idea where the guy's hands have been and how dirty his fingers are. And to be honest, fingering doesn't do anything for the guy anyway. Why do guys want to pay extra money for fingering? Beats me. I go to FKKs to receive pleasure for myself, and fingering a girl does not get me off. Of course some guys also like to pleasure the girls in FKK. However, violently plunging fingers back and forth in a girl's vagina does not get her off, far from it. Notwithstanding the fake orgasms and moans, 99% of the girls do not experience any release in these sessions and their goal is one and one only which is to make money. If she is going to have a guy poke her twats with fingers which really does nothing for her and she runs some risk of getting infected which to her can be extremely costly and deprive of her living, she might as well get paid for taking that risk.

I finger my sugar babes in every single session, because it is normal love making. I do not even try to finger any FKK girl other than lightly stroking the clit. In my personal view, paying 50 for fingering is a sheer waste of money because neither the guy nor the girl is pleasured in any way.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;2395875]Interesting past few pages in this forum:

PRICING. It was very clear that before 2017 there was pretty much a rigid structure. In Sharks 50 for every 30 "standard service" and 50 for CIM, 50 as an extra, 50 for sado, and 100 for anal. This included DFK (for some not so deep), BBBJ and FS. The new law provided girls with a great opportunity to offer an upsell of BBBJ for the first time. This lead on to seeking upsell on other services. Some asking for money for DFK, some refusing it, etc. It became "open season" for a few months. But even in Artemis (I was there just after the new law and boy those girls embraced it!) the open season closed after a few months. Why? Because many girls, to get business would tell customers they were happy to go back to the "old" rules and would do standard service. That had to spread out to a lot of girls or they would not have been busy if they maintained the CBJ in the price. However, what has undoubtedly occurred is that this development has converted the girls into a more entrepreneurial and free choice situation. ALL girls will do BBBJ in the price if you say you are having a room for 100 hour. Never heard anyone say no and why would they? DFK has very much become a personal choice for the girls. Some do it, some positively like doing it and don't upsell it, and many don't like it ("I only do this with my boyfriend" - until you pay extra of course in which case the boyfriend is quickly forgotten! It is also a bit of a club policy issue. I find that getting DFK in Palace is not as easy as it is in Oase or Sharks. The girls in Palace and Mainhattan, for me, are more "sharky". They are smaller clubs so maybe they can choose to be so. The numbers of competition are not as high..[/QUOTE]I find most of your comments to be very well considered and articulated and this one too. That said, I have a minor quibble. The club pricing was clear before 2017 and also now. Before 2017 law, 50 E fetched you 30 minutes of BBBJ and covered sex. Now it fetches you 30 min of CBJ and covered sex. Kissing was not part of any standard pricing and was never guaranteed with all the girls before 2017. Some girls like Janine or Aurelia hardly ever kissed before 2017 also, even in hour long sessions. BLS was provided by a few as a standard in 50 E but very very few, and by a few more in 100 E.

What did change is that girls seem to have a lot more unity these days. Few are budging for the cartel like formula that kissing and BBBJ Shall not be provided for 50 E. Guys are all over the place now; even if a few guys stay true to the stated price, many tourists are not. Gradually, prices have crept up and in a year or two from now, I predict that even 100 E for 60 M will not include BBBJ and kissing from majority of the girls. Already more than a few girls refuse to provide kissing and BBBJ for 100 E /60 M.

Today I was also in Sharks and I can tell you, that the line up was great! Only no good MILFs were there, but a lot of beauties from Romania and Bulgaria.

Pricing was really good, the have a lot of competition so the are willing to do everything for less money! Great to see this happens. Last week there were less girls, so even less competition and higher standards.

Crazy and scary incident tonight at Sharks for me. I took Uber from Downtown Frankfurt and stayed in the club for a few hours. At 2 am I decided to leave and ordered an Uber. The Uber arrived and drove up to the front door and I got in. It was a female driver. She turned her car around and proceeded to head towards the exit of the parking lot. About 10 yards from the exit, 3 taxi cab drivers walk in front of the path of the vehicle. She stops and 1 of them comes to her window and they have words in German. She tells me they are claiming Uber is not allowed in Darmstadt and they will not let us leave. She was not being very assertive with them, so I got out of the car and told them to get the fuck out of our way. One guy tells me he knows the law and he is not moving. I was outnumbered and in a foreign place, so I got back into the car and told her to call the police. For 45 minutes. We sit in the car, unable to move as they stood in front of the vehicle smoking cigarettes. I told her to drive through them, but she wouldn't.

Finally 2 police officers arrive. I get out of the car and tell them what happened. I was slightly nervous because I don't know if the police are corrupt here. Then for another 15 minutes they talk to the taxi drivers in German. I don't have a clue what was said. Finally, the cop tells me I can get in the Uber and we can go. An hour I sat there held hostage by these assholes.

I will never get in a taxi in Germany again.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2395980]Many girls dislike fingering because it can cause infections. The girl has no idea where the guy's hands have been and how dirty his fingers are. And to be honest, fingering doesn't do anything for the guy anyway. Why do guys want to pay extra money for fingering? Beats me. I go to FKKs to receive pleasure for myself, and fingering a girl does not get me off. Of course some guys also like to pleasure the girls in FKK. However, violently plunging fingers back and forth in a girl's vagina does not get her off, far from it. Notwithstanding the fake orgasms and moans, 99% of the girls do not experience any release in these sessions and their goal is one and one only which is to make money. If she is going to have a guy poke her twats with fingers which really does nothing for her and she runs some risk of getting infected which to her can be extremely costly and deprive of her living, she might as well get paid for taking that risk.

I finger my sugar babes in every single session, because it is normal love making. I do not even try to finger any FKK girl other than lightly stroking the clit. In my personal view, paying 50 for fingering is a sheer waste of money because neither the guy nor the girl is pleasured in any way.[/QUOTE]Well I think this proves as usual we are all different. I LOVE fingering (tho to be clear what you described was finger fucking whic I could take or leave). The feeling of slippery goodness is one of the most erotic things on the planet. If I am having trouble finishing, then a BBBJ with fingering is one of the best solutions. A BBBJ itself is not nearly good enough sometimes.

And on the question of pleasuring the girl I do love when I get a real orgasm and you can tell if your finger is in there and you get the mega pussy clamping spasms. And frankly the odds of getting her off go up 5 X with gspot fingering in my experience. Maybe I'm not good enough at DATY but gspot fingering massively increases success plus I enjoy it. (Slightly embarrassed to admit that an escort in Japan in 2018 had to show me where the gspot is and how to finger it — but I’m a quick study!)

Both my girls at Sharks in Sept provided DFK and fingering and BBBJ and DATY with no upcharge FWIW.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2396042]Well I think this proves as usual we are all different. I LOVE fingering (tho to be clear what you described was finger fucking whic I could take or leave). The feeling of slippery goodness is one of the most erotic things on the planet. If I am having trouble finishing, then a BBBJ with fingering is one of the best solutions. A BBBJ itself is not nearly good enough sometimes.

And on the question of pleasuring the girl I do love when I get a real orgasm and you can tell if your finger is in there and you get the mega pussy clamping spasms. And frankly the odds of getting her off go up 5 X with gspot fingering in my experience. Maybe I'm not good enough at DATY but gspot fingering massively increases success plus I enjoy it. (Slightly embarrassed to admit that an escort in Japan in 2018 had to show me where the gspot is and how to finger it but Im a quick study!)

Both my girls at Sharks in Sept provided DFK and fingering and BBBJ and DATY with no upcharge FWIW.[/QUOTE]Fingering is a natural part of love making. I said as much in relation to sugar babes or girl friends or wife or what have you. Fucking FKK girls is well, fucking, definitely not love making. She is not wanting it, somewhat fearful of it, and her demands for extra money shows that she doesn't enjoy it.

I personally have no problem if the girl demands extra for fingering in FKK, considering the risk she takes. Perhaps because it does not impact me, this is an easy stance for me.

[QUOTE=IMakeSport;2396029]Crazy and scary incident tonight at Sharks for me. I took Uber from Downtown Frankfurt and stayed in the club for a few hours. At 2 am I decided to leave and ordered an Uber. The Uber arrived and drove up to the front door and I got in. It was a female driver. She turned her car around and proceeded to head towards the exit of the parking lot. About 10 yards from the exit, 3 taxi cab drivers walk in front of the path of the vehicle. She stops and 1 of them comes to her window and they have words in German. She tells me they are claiming Uber is not allowed in Darmstadt and they will not let us leave. She was not being very assertive with them, so I got out of the car and told them to get the fuck out of our way. One guy tells me he knows the law and he is not moving. I was outnumbered and in a foreign place, so I got back into the car and told her to call the police. For 45 minutes. We sit in the car, unable to move as they stood in front of the vehicle smoking cigarettes. I told her to drive through them, but she wouldn't.

Finally 2 police officers arrive. I get out of the car and tell them what happened. I was slightly nervous because I don't know if the police are corrupt here. Then for another 15 minutes they talk to the taxi drivers in German. I don't have a clue what was said. Finally, the cop tells me I can get in the Uber and we can go. An hour I sat there held hostage by these assholes.

I will never get in a taxi in Germany again.[/QUOTE]First at all, I'm not sure where you are from to even infer that police in Germany may be corrupt. Second of all, saying you will never get in a taxi in Germany again makes no sense as you were not in a taxi, you were in a Uber! The taxidrivers should not have blocked your Uber driver, but I sympathize with their pain and anger.

Rock.

[QUOTE=IMakeSport;2396029]Crazy and scary incident tonight at Sharks for me. I took Uber from Downtown Frankfurt and stayed in the club for a few hours. At 2 am I decided to leave and ordered an Uber. The Uber arrived and drove up to the front door and I got in. It was a female driver. She turned her car around and proceeded to head towards the exit of the parking lot. About 10 yards from the exit, 3 taxi cab drivers walk in front of the path of the vehicle. She stops and 1 of them comes to her window and they have words in German. She tells me they are claiming Uber is not allowed in Darmstadt and they will not let us leave. She was not being very assertive with them, so I got out of the car and told them to get the fuck out of our way. One guy tells me he knows the law and he is not moving. I was outnumbered and in a foreign place, so I got back into the car and told her to call the police. For 45 minutes. We sit in the car, unable to move as they stood in front of the vehicle smoking cigarettes. I told her to drive through them, but she wouldn't.

Finally 2 police officers arrive. I get out of the car and tell them what happened. I was slightly nervous because I don't know if the police are corrupt here. Then for another 15 minutes they talk to the taxi drivers in German. I don't have a clue what was said. Finally, the cop tells me I can get in the Uber and we can go. An hour I sat there held hostage by these assholes.

I will never get in a taxi in Germany again.[/QUOTE]I have sometimes problems with German polizei because of overspeed, but on Western part, I don't often drive on ex RDA, no big problem with them even when we argue. I don t think German polizei is corrupted in Western landers, German is a safe country even when I'm a foreigner not able to say much more than bitte and danke. Nothing compare to Swiss polizei and administration who will rob equipment in your car when these equipment are legal where your car was sold. Swiss polizei is much more dangerous than in Germany, putting You in jail to put pressure on You to make You pay, when they have no proof You are guilty because they never caught You driving overspeed, when I was arrested for more than 100 km / h overspeed on autobahn in Germany and never took to jail, only fine and forbidden to drive in Germany for 1 month.

[QUOTE=IMakeSport;2396029]Crazy and scary incident tonight at Sharks for me. I took Uber from Downtown Frankfurt and stayed in the club for a few hours. At 2 am I decided to leave and ordered an Uber. The Uber arrived and drove up to the front door and I got in. It was a female driver. She turned her car around and proceeded to head towards the exit of the parking lot. About 10 yards from the exit, 3 taxi cab drivers walk in front of the path of the vehicle. She stops and 1 of them comes to her window and they have words in German. She tells me they are claiming Uber is not allowed in Darmstadt and they will not let us leave. She was not being very assertive with them, so I got out of the car and told them to get the fuck out of our way. One guy tells me he knows the law and he is not moving. I was outnumbered and in a foreign place, so I got back into the car and told her to call the police. For 45 minutes. We sit in the car, unable to move as they stood in front of the vehicle smoking cigarettes. I told her to drive through them, but she wouldn't.

Finally 2 police officers arrive. I get out of the car and tell them what happened. I was slightly nervous because I don't know if the police are corrupt here. Then for another 15 minutes they talk to the taxi drivers in German. I don't have a clue what was said. Finally, the cop tells me I can get in the Uber and we can go. An hour I sat there held hostage by these assholes.

I will never get in a taxi in Germany again.[/QUOTE]Next time ask uber to meet you at the establishment next door.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2396058]Fingering is a natural part of love making. I said as much in relation to sugar babes or girl friends or wife or what have you. Fucking FKK girls is well, fucking, definitely not love making. She is not wanting it, somewhat fearful of it, and her demands for extra money shows that she doesn't enjoy it.

I personally have no problem if the girl demands extra for fingering in FKK, considering the risk she takes. Perhaps because it does not impact me, this is an easy stance for me.[/QUOTE]Fingering is pleasurable but is low down on my list of sexables. The order is as follows:

(1) Blowjob.

(2) Full sex.

(3) DATY.

(4) Fingering.