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[QUOTE=Big Bro AJ]There are some newbies, who are I suppose too naive or else.

. According to some newbies some of seniors and I are pimp (s) and/or get commision from girls.

. No one has ever dare to call me pimp. [/QUOTE]Hi big bro,

I hope you didn't think a newbie like me called you or other senior member a pimp. I am reading the forum since a lot, and I appreciate your reports.

I didn't really contribute on the istanbul forum simply because I didn't have the chance to live some nice and relevant experience to say.

By the way I was telling exactly the same as you: the MPs or street scene is not worth a dime. And only aksaray is the city's gem.

[QUOTE=Big Bro AJ]Besides, why some members ask from others to publicly publish numbers or adresses? [/QUOTE]Maybe I am really naive. But what's wrong with it? Just tell us. I am curious and not challenging you. Really.

Other (cities) forums are not a public place where members meet to exchange infos in private.

Last night I was drunk and wrote the below comments, even though I knew what I was writing. Any way, let’s clear couple of issues.

I don’t know other seniors but I started collecting numbers from Aksaray scene. I hanged out at different clubs. I met several women, got their private numbers and met them without going to clubs. But of course, at those years there were too many independent girls who were also working at those clubs. They didn’t have pimps; they only paid commission to the managers.

Any way, you get in touch with one girl, and that girl introduces you to her friends and those friends introduce you to others and the list kept growing. This is how I met all those ladies.

In old days, everything started with collecting customer numbers. After saving enough money, an independent girl from the Aksaray scene went to her home town and came back to Istanbul with girl friends. After that instead going to dates, she started to send those girls. And this is how the system generally works. But of course organized pimps always exist in Aksaray scene.

Maya’s info and pics exist in the forum. Once she was one of the independent girls of Irmak and Bacardi. Today, she is working at one of the FFK and make zillions of Euro.

Once Angel was working at Irmak; but later she established her own business with her girl friends from her home town. The are too many examples. But of course, these are the lucky ones…

I wish some of the newbies really experience the good old days of Aksaray. 5-6 years ago, +10/10 girls all over the EE countries came to Istanbul. But today, they prefer to go to EU countries or stay at their home towns to meet the foreign sugar daddies. You may still find hidden jewels in Aksaray but nothing is compared to old days.

Some mongers complain about the rates and additional costs. US dollars and Euro is loosing blood against YTL and girls are earning less. That’s why most of the independents higher their rates or start to ask rates in Euro.



In Istanbul, we don’t have FFK clubs. We don’t have quality sex MPs. We don’t have orgy homes. We don’t have sex apartments. We don’t have strip clubs (Gentleman’s Clubs). We don’t have swinger clubs. We only have Aksaray in a strange, sex hunger society.

Sharing numbers or info publicly is what I don’t do. As I said earlier, according to me the circle of trust is the key of mongering.

Besides, it is against the general rules of the forum. “No Personal Contact Information: Please do not post any personal email address, telephone numbers or street addresses in the Forum. Please use the Forum's Private Messaging system to exchange this information”

Hello Guys

I am an old member of this forum, and I rarelu login and read the reports. First of all thank you very much for your all kind contributions. I wouldn't post my own reports here, but because of misinformation about MPs, I thought that I should share my own expriences.

Normally I try all ways of monegering in Istanbul from low price to very high price, but as a brief sentence of all my personal history, "MPs are the best choice to get a quick, safe, economic and sexy experience".

Guys experince unliked moments in these places due to some special reasons, so they discard this choice at the beginning of a mongering search. These reasons may be about these points.

1. MPs sometimes face to a police pressure, and so they limit the sexual experiences in the massage seances.

2. "Inside the roo"m is a special and personal period, so the MP management can not supervise the service of the girls. So mostly an MP experince is due to the girl not the MP.

3. A newbie customer in the MP is never and never will find a good sex. If he is lucky and has a trustworthy face, he will get a HandJob after the massage.

4. Friday evening, Saturday and Sunday will be crowded. When too many customers are in the hall, girls will give a quick service.

5. Customer hygiene is a must to have a good sex. So never go to an MP with an hygiene problem. Girsl will give most possible distant service.

So I always go to Nadide/Enjoy MP. You already know contact details about it. I always get very good sex there and always feel happy when I live there. Boys, don't forget that I already use other choices for sex and have got the possiblity to compare them.

In Nadide, when they know that you are safe (not a police), and is a frequent customer you will get a very good experience these times. So;

1. When you go there, if they don't know you, try to be seen a trustworthy guy. Don't insist to get sex. Be patient. And after your first visit, go to the same MP soon after 2 or 3 days. And select the same girl.

2. Always pay to the girl in advance. Don't give money directly to her but just put on the table in the room as to be seen and countable. And always payymore than the cashier amount. In Nadide you pay 80 YTL to the cashier and I suggest you to pay 100 YTL to the girl in the room.

3. When selecting the girl, be comfartable. It is your money. Select the girl you want. But keep away from barbies (very beatiful girls). In Nadide, I suggest you the girls, Cansu (She was my favorite but I left her since she doesnt provide goof DFK), Ruya, Ece, Cigdem, (These provide a very good sex with DFK).

Emel. Cigdem is a non-smoker, so kissing is execellent with her. Cansu is a rare smoker and I have never smelled ash form her mouth)

4. Always be polite and behave like a gentlemen to the girls. In this way they will give you the best service.

5. Prefer weekdays when going an MP. Because there will be more free girl. And possibly you will be the only customer at that time. Also In Ramadan, Aksaray sucks, but it is the best time to go to an MP because they are there waiting for you.

Guys, for me an MP sex ofcourse is not like a hotel bed sex. It is more like an office sex with your secretary. In Nadide there are confartable couches in the rooms, and a massage bed (Stretcher). For me these are enough to fuck a girl. I always start sex standing, approach her from behind, kissing her neck, when she is covering the door window with the towel. Towel on the window means start of a good sex. (don't expect it in your first visit.) Kissing deeply, hugging each other, oral sex, and fucking in different positions. A very good day sex, with a reasonable budget, in a reasonable time. You are back at your job after a sex break. What a man want more? A second one? Oh I am sorry, in the MPs, always you pay for one shot.

If you need extra information please ask here. I will try to answer them.

Averhose

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I am really surprised, and perhaps even impressed, by some of the recent posts to the forum. I guess these discussions occurred upon my previous post about a sex apartment:

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=661591&postcount=2301[/url]

Well then, I feel obliged to make some explanations now.

Firstly, it is a very naive idea that members might be selling the telephone numbers. Who would make a payment for the telephone numbers? I mean, we really live in a country of sex starvation, I admit. But is it really that bad? Come on, I don't think so.

Secondly, some members complain that some posts may be fake or misleading. For example, some said that they went through Nisantasi at night and couldn't see any working girls. Well, there are so few of them, actually only three, so it is quite normal that they might be at home while you were driving through. And actually what do you expect to see there? Big Bro AJ says street girls are drug addicts and dirty. Well, that is quite true. Followers of the forum may remember one of my previous posts where I described how the room was full of a girl's womanly smell and how I was disgusted of it.

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=638664&postcount=2215[/url]

So don't expect a "princess" in the streets please. Everyone knows that you find lowest quality women in street scene, wherever you go in the world, from China to the USA. It is a rule.

If you are looking for a woman who would take you to another world, you’d better stick to Aksaray scene, of course. I have never told that any street action is better than Aksaray. Actually my best experience ever was in Serenda club, which I posted in the forum previously:

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=648894&postcount=2256[/url]

Anyway, let’s go back to the issues of “pimps” and “sharing phone numbers”. There have been so many private messages and public posts that require the telephone numbers of that sex apartment that I really changed my mind about this. I didn't know that so many people would be interested in getting to this place. Funny thing is that nobody gives me numbers of those EE girls, which I am so interested in. But instead, everyone tells that I have to send numbers at first.

Honestly speaking, that sex apartment is important to me. That is the only place where I get some decent sex action for really reasonable prices and all the trade is continuing on a trust basis. Can you imagine how the girls would react to me if I made their hidden place public? Not to mention that the police would raid there in the following week. If I lose these providers, that is an important loss to me, because then I would be obliged to the Aksaray scene, where overall damage starts from 250 YTL.

Lastly, I have the feeling inside that some members are suspicious of my posts that they are fake, because I talk about relatively low prices. I understand these concerns. But how would I benefit from posting something imaginary here? Any ideas? Because, I don’t have any.

Let’s get back to basics: The market rate going on is 250-300 YTL for two pops in Istanbul. This may be low for some members. But for me, this is two days' salary. I wake up at 6:30, work at the office for 12 hours a day and tolerate 3 hours of traffic jam to deserve that money. And then I do it again in the second day.

And the ladies get the same sum in 90 minutes. (if the service is really nice, without any hassle, which is quite rare)

I am sorry. But I suppose this is not fair. And I will write “this is not fair” again and again in this forum.

Because I believe it is the mongers, who set the prices. If mongers are willing to pay 100 at a maximum, then the price is 100. If mongers stop mongering from these providers when the prices are above fair prices, then the prices will drop.

Basic rule of "economics 101" :)

OK, these ideas of "social responsibility" may also sound naive, perhaps even stupid. But it is just this social responsibility which drags me here in this forum.

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[QUOTE=Tom Jones Diary] Lastly, I have the feeling inside that some members are suspicious of my posts that they are fake, because I talk about relatively low prices. I understand these concerns. But how would I benefit from posting something imaginary here? Any ideas? Because, I don’t have any. [/QUOTE]

Ah, I think that's a question for me. Well, I wouldn't say that I suspected your posts are "false" but please forgive me for being curious when someone recommends a place and then posts a price that is charged for "regular clients". Any prudent person would, I think, ask himself/herself whether they're the victim of a bait-and-switch routine, following which once they take an interest the will be told "sorry, the price is 200 YTL". I therefore asked you an honest question: do you know what price is demanded from non-regulars? I still haven't received an answer.


[QUOTE=Tom Jones Diary] Let’s get back to basics: The market rate going on is 250-300 YTL for two pops in Istanbul. This may be low for some members....[/QUOTE]

Are you teasing us? The going rate is around 100 YTL for two pops in Istanbul. (Plus bar fines and hotel, I admit, so the total tag may well run to 200-250 YTL reflecting, as Big Bro AJ correctly pointed out, the "hidden pimping" in bars/hotels/etc that regrettably is all over Aksaray.)

[QUOTE=Tom Jones Diary]....But for me, this is two days' salary. [/QUOTE]

And for me this is three hours' salary, but what's the point? Only yesterday I payed 100 euros for two pops with a nice and... well, shall we say, youngish lady in Bruxelles so I'l be d***ed if I'll pay twice that price in Istanbul. And I'll be deeply sceptical of anybody who tells me it's somehow "normal" to do that.

It has been written several times. In Aksaray scene, you have to add transportation(taxi or parking), cover(some places dont have), mandatory tips, you suppose to drink something therefore the bill, plus hotel. So when you say 100 YTL for 2 shots in Aksaray, the elements of the calculation is missing.

One way or another hanging out in Aksaray and calling an independent cost you the same. Besides, in independents, at least you know or sense what you're gone get, cause someone probably directs you to them.

But in Aksaray, overall performance of the girls are hit and run.

[QUOTE=Big Bro AJ]In Aksaray scene, you have to add transportation(taxi or parking), cover(some places dont have), mandatory tips, you suppose to drink something therefore the bill, plus hotel. So when you say 100 YTL for 2 shots in Aksaray, the elements of the calculation is missing. [/QUOTE]

True, perfectly true. (No taxi, though: I prefer to stay in the neighbourhood.)

[QUOTE=Big Bro AJ]One way or another hanging out in Aksaray and calling an independent cost you the same. Besides, in independents, at least you know or sense what you're gone get, cause someone probably directs you to them.

But in Aksaray, overall performance of the girls are hit and run.[/QUOTE]

Hum... yes, no and yes. First, I'd agree that an evening out in Aksaray, all included, costs you about the same as calling a girl for a 1-2 hour service in your hotel room. (If you know what you want and go straight into a bar and pick a girl, though, I'd say Aksaray comes 25% cheaper.) Second, no, with independents (the word is funny, BTW: if they are "directed" to you I wouldn't see them as truly "independent") I don't know what I get. It depends the degree of confidence I have in the person who directs me to them. Third, yes I'd agree that it is very much hit-and-run in Aksaray. I have been disappointed on countless occasions.

Summing up, therefore, it's a matter of taste. I like looking at girls, and chatting with them at least 30 minutes before deciding whether or not to go to a hotel room with them. Therefore I'll normally never spend time with an "independent". But, I have to admit, in the end I'll probably pay just as much for my caprices as those who call an "independent".

Priamos,

I didn't mean to pick anyone. And I didn't want to offend you. I have respect to all senior members.

Let me make things clear again:

[QUOTE=Priamos] I therefore asked you an honest question: do you know what price is demanded from non-regulars? I still haven't received an answer. [/QUOTE]

:) Here's an honest answer then: The price for non-regulars is 150 YTL. But if you look clean, trustworthy, humorous and young, it is always possible to get it down to 100 YTL in the first place. It also depends on whether it is weekend and the girl is having much business that evening or not. As a senior member, I'm sure you know about all these factors better than me.

[QUOTE=Priamos] Are you teasing us? The going rate is around 100 YTL for two pops in Istanbul. (Plus bar fines and hotel, I admit, so the total tag may well run to 200-250 YTL reflecting, as Big Bro AJ correctly pointed out, the "hidden pimping" in bars/hotels/etc that regrettably is all over Aksaray.) [/QUOTE]As Big Bro AJ has already pointed out this morning, I meant the overall damage. And it is really not less than 250 YTL. I am still behind my words.

[QUOTE=Priamos] And for me this is three hours' salary, but what's the point? [/QUOTE]Good for you Priamos, my friend. OK then, why don't we stand next to each other, take out our little willies and start pissing now? Let's see who will [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] to a longer distance.

(I apologize from the non-Turkish members. This was a word-by-word translation from a Turkish phrase. In Turkish, "pissing competition" means trying to compete when it is not worthy to compete.)

I was for a conference in Istanbul and I want to share with you 2 experience with Bacardi. A "strange and funny" one and a "normal and good one"

I arrived in Istanbul Sunday noon and I checked-in at my hotel (Hilton). A pre-conference reception was taking place the afternoon and I joined the conference group for a social drink. I met there a very good female colleague that I know for the last 4 years. She is in her middle 30s, very attractive and very open minded. She likes to spend time in the net and she confessed to me that she has made a "stupid thing" before coming to Istanbul. The "stupid thing" was that she has engaged in chat with a Turkish guy and she made the mistake to tell him that she will come to Istanbul and mentioned also the specific conference. On Sunday noon she received an sms from the guy saying to her that he will come to the hotel to meet her. While she kindly refused (she sow me the sms) the guy was insisting and he told her that she will be in the hotel and she will send her an sms. To make a long story short she asked me to meet together the guy in the lobby of the hotel and I accepted. I don't mention the long discussion we had about her chat; I know her very well and I understood that she was playing in the net and she made the mistake to mention the conference (and also the mistake to send to the guy her photo). You will maybe ask me why she was doing all this. My simple reply is "she was doing this for nothing and just because she likes to play".

So we met the guy in the lobby of Hilton after 30 minutes and I was really holding my breath for not laughing. The guy came with red roses and he was really shocked when he show me and my colleague (I feel sorry for him). We chat together and then (as we have agreed with my colleague) we told him that we have to leave for the conference dinner (there was no dinner actually). The guy proposed us to go for a drink after the dinner. We refused many times but he was insisting so much that we finally accepted. We left him and we went for our "dinner" and agreed to meet after 2 hours.

2 hour after the guy came and ask us what we would like to do. My colleague (let's call her Mary) told him that we could go somewhere to have a drink and maybe dance. The guy said OK and to my great great surprise he drove us to Bacardi.

When I sow that we are going to Bacardi and knowing the place only from ISG reports I was puzzled about the objectives of the guy. We entered Bacardi and immediately Mary looked at me full of surprise. I told her "no problem, I am handling the situation" and we followed our "friend" (let's call him John) in a table. Then a very crazy situation started. John started to talk about these poor girls that have to sell their body for money and she also said that he didn't want to bring us in this place but it is the only place that it is open at this time of the night (it was passed midnight) and the only place that we can dance. I was really puzzled with John and I didn't want to continue this discussion so I took Mary and we start dancing. Now this was quite a "show" I was alone with about 20 girls in the dancing place of Bacardi and I was really dancing! In fact I am a good dancer, Mary is a good dancer to and we managed to attract the eyes of the girls! LOL! After some minutes of dancing ws went again to the table. John asked Mary to dance, she accepted and it was my time to observe the scene.

Around 20 girls dancing and other 30 sitting. Among the dancing girls there was a good number of 8s and 1-2 9s. I started laughing by realizing that I was in the center of mongering scene in Istanbul and I had no option to take a girl with me. (I would have never do that in from of Mary). John and Mary finished their dancing and after smoking some cigarettes we decided to leave.

I had to phase a difficult situation where John was insisting to take us for a night-tour with his car in Istanbul and it took as 30 minutes to convince him that there was no possibility to do this.

Back to the hotel we head with Mary in our rooms with a big question mark in our faces. The fact is that I was rather impressed with the Bacardi scene and I decide to pay the place a visit on Tuesday night.

Tuesday night at 23:00 I am in Bacardi. I am placed in a table with good view and I order a drink (there was no cover charge on Tuesday night). The female/male ration was amazing. More than 60 girls for not more than 10 guys. My first attempt was with a girl that she was keep looking at me for 5 minutes. I decided that it is maybe a good option to choose the ones that was looking at me and I invited her in my table. Not something special, maybe a 6 but with a fantastic smile, really a smile promising a GFE. Her offer was 300 YTL for 2 hours. I tried to bargain to 200 but she refused. I said thank you and the damage was 40 YTL for her lemonade.

The second and successful attempt was with Tatiana from Moldavia. Tatiana is a brunette about 1,60-1,65 that I will rate as a very good 7 (and maybe an 8). The agreement was 250 YTL for 3 hours.

We went to Hilton (no problem with reception) and we started with shower. She showered me and she give me a good rubbing in my genitals. She continued the shower alone and afte some minutes we engaged in action. Overall I had 3 shots and everything but anal was included. Very close to GEF. The second time Tatiana had, or pretended an orgasm, while I was eating her fully shaved pussy. I think that it was a real orgasm because it seemed an unrushed slow orgasm with some deep moaning and not any pretended screaming, and after that she gave me one of the most deep kisses any "working girl" has ever given to me.

She was not believing that I can have a 3rd shot and when I managed to have a hard-on and also a shot she said "record!". I know that she told that to make me happy but it is again a point for her showing her very good attitude.

Overall damage was 250 for Tatiana + 120 for 3 drinks and 10 for Taxi.

I will definitely choose Tatiana again.

Take care

[QUOTE=Datum]Overall damage was 250 for Tatiana + 120 for 3 drinks and 10 for Taxi.[/QUOTE]


Datum great story..

I hope you got the number of the taxi driver, cause I kindly request that number. After midnight from Bacardi(Aksaray) to Istanbul Hilton(Harbiye) for 10 YTL is mind blowing rate.

Hello, everybody,

This is my first report and I read many of the reports.

I prefer bagdat caddesi. Most of bars nad restaurants are fully young turkish girls. Also kadikoy and moda. Send me pm.

Any experience?

[QUOTE=Big Bro AJ]Datum great story..

I hope you got the number of the taxi driver, cause I kindly request that number. After midnight from Bacardi(Aksaray) to Istanbul Hilton(Harbiye) for 10 YTL is mind blowing rate.[/QUOTE]

Hi Big Bro,

Actually it was not a taxi. When we get out of Bacardi Tatiana asked a guy to drop us to the Hotel. It was a normal car and not a taxi. She told me to give him 10 YTL and this is what I've done.

Just a qick info and question:

I went to the following parlours with a positive result:

Villa China in Esentepe: Full Service with Gaye, 80 YTL Front Dest, 50 YTL min. Tip to the lady.

Nadide in Nisantasi: Full Service with Cigdem, Same prices as above.

Has anybody tried VIP SAUNA in Kalamis. I tried two ladies there, one of them is Ruya; unfortunatelly no extra service was offered. Anybody tried VIP SAUNA in Kalamis with a different experience?

Well, last night was a busy one for me, but unfortunately, it ended without any mongering success.

My friend and I 've been to Aksaray and visited the street of Irmak Restaurant. We were there around 8 o'clock. I know that it is quite early, but all the restaurants in that street were already crowded by that time. There were 6-7 girls in each one of them.

We first visited Irmak Restaurant. It was my first time there. While my friend was trying to negotiate with the head-waiter, I could get a very well look at what is going on inside. It was rather disappointing. Several middle-aged and over-weighted EE women were sitting inside. A paradise for MILF fans, but not exactly what we were looking for :) We asked if another group will come later on in the evening. The Kurdish-looking man misunderstood, and to my surprise, he answered "guys, we don't offer any group service around here" :) I hardly kept from laughing. As we were kidding around and taking time to bargain, the waiters got rather annoyed, so we just skipped the place.

We also skipped the other restaurants along the street, because I assume that they are "rip off" places, based on what I have been reading on ISG forum.

We came to the last one, on the corner of the other end of the street. Funnily, it looked like a rural cafe (kir kahvesi) inside, with green table clothes and the modest decorations on walls. No fancy stuff, but the girls were impressive. All EE girls. Most of them were very young, like in their early twenties, slim and beautiful.

We had a small talk in front of the place with the head-waiter again. Although I had an idea of the prices, I insisted that he gave us a list of usual expense items in any case, like sum of our drinks, girls drinks, hotel, girls average rate, etc. He said he would charge us 100 YTL for whatever we drink as two couples, regardless of whether we drink beer or whiskey. We made a quick calculation with my friend and saw that overall damage would not be less than 300 YTL. I am scared to go there alone, so I wanted to try it while I am with a friend. So I asked my friend to give it a try, but he said it’s not worth it. He is a native-speaker of russian and he is kind of my mongering buddy when we visit CIS countries. But it was our first time in Istanbul to go out together for this and he was shocked at the rates :) We joked about how it is easy to hire 10 girls at a time for the same price in Kazakhstan…

Then we left and I came back to Nisantasi and decided to have a look at the usual street scene which I used to write about quite often...

Guess what, a surprise was waiting for me! Two new girls were on the scene. When I entered the street, one was negotiating with a motorbiker and the other one with the driver of a black Honda. The second one looked nice to me from a distance.

Unfortunately, they agreed with their clients and both of them left. So there I was standing with nothing in my hands after several hours of hunting.

What I really liked; There were several pairs of young guys there, waiting with impatience, looking around the street in curiosity. If my 6th sense does not fail me, these guys should be the followers of ISG forum :) I really think that is the case. Because it was 12:30 at night. It was so cold, it was actually chilling. No sense of waiting there.

Normally, I hesitate to share the girls’ info on internet, because I am scared to harm their business by getting the attention of some freaks or the police. But look what we got here: New clients. New providers. Looks like I generated some business right in that corner of the city though using ISG. I was happy.

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... it seems that you just cannot limit yourself to praising the aspects of IST that you like? You feel a strong urge to denigrate other peoples' preferences? (A fact that, bizarrely, always seems to win the approbation of of the webmaster. Who's editing this part of the ISG, by the way?)

[QUOTE=Tom Jones Diary]We first visited Irmak Restaurant. It was my first time there. While my friend was trying to negotiate with the head-waiter, I could get a very well look at what is going on inside. It was rather disappointing. Several middle-aged and over-weighted EE women were sitting inside. A paradise for MILF fans, but not exactly what we were looking for :) [/QUOTE]

I'm surprised, and somewhat disappointed, to hear this. My recent experience has been that the "Irmak girls" are less plentiful and less beautiful than before, but I hadn't noticed an increase in their age.

[QUOTE=Tom Jones Diary]We also skipped the other restaurants along the street, because I assume that they are "rip off" places, based on what I have been reading on ISG forum.[/QUOTE]

That has been my assessment in the past. On several occasions have I been bamboozled into buying all kinds of stuff that I didn't want. One "classic" is if you offer a girl a drink they serve her 4-5 starters up front. Before you can say Nebudkanezar she'll have nippled at all five and left a visible trace of her "consumption" on the plate. That said, it may simply be due to the fact that I'm visibly foreign. Other (Turkish) men in the room were apparently left pretty much alone.

[QUOTE=Tom Jones Diary]We had a small talk in front of the place with the head-waiter again. Although I had an idea of the prices, I insisted that he gave us a list of usual expense items in any case, like sum of our drinks, girls drinks, hotel, girls average rate, etc. He said he would charge us 100 YTL for whatever we drink as two couples, regardless of whether we drink beer or whiskey. We made a quick calculation with my friend and saw that overall damage would not be less than 300 YTL.[/QUOTE]

You've lost me. Your bar tap, if both of you buy a lady drink, will be around 50 YTL per person. According to your bargaining skills the price for two hours in a hotel with the girl will be 170-190 YTL. (Again, per person.)

[QUOTE=Tom Jones Diary]I am scared to go there alone, so I wanted to try it while I am with a friend. So I asked my friend to give it a try, but he said it’s not worth it. He is a native-speaker of russian and he is kind of my mongering buddy when we visit CIS countries. [/QUOTE]

I'm not sure where this angst comes from. A couple of other posters have said something to the effect that Aksaray is a dangerous place, but this is not at all my experience. Well, true, I wouldn't cruise the deserted streets down the hill from Seranda after midnight, but there are neighbourhoods like that in any large city. Around Irmak, on the other hand, I feel totally safe - simply because there's such a gaggle of people around the clock. If someone attacked you there'd be dozens of witnesses - and not all of them in cahoots with the assailants.

[QUOTE=Tom Jones Diary]But it was our first time in Istanbul to go out together for this and he was shocked at the rates :) We joked about how it is easy to hire 10 girls at a time for the same price in Kazakhstan…[/QUOTE]

What, 10 girls for 140 Euros??? Great, I'm off to Kazakhstan. ;-) But, you're right prices are high for this part of the world - and almost at par with West Europe. The point I've been making is that the escort services that some people seem to prefer are even more overpriced.