Yesterday on Saturday around 19:00, from hear say owner, mamasan, girls taken away, as of Sunday still closed.
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Yesterday on Saturday around 19:00, from hear say owner, mamasan, girls taken away, as of Sunday still closed.
[QUOTE=Gunners1;2216554]Thank you very much Mr. E. Very helpful.
I am still contemplating if AC is still worth it as it not the same how it was when I last visited 6 to 8 years ago.
But having said that it still is far better than any of the other usual areas around the region. The main issue I have is what do I do when I am not having s $x. There is absolutely nothing else going on other than find your next pipe to pound.
G.[/QUOTE]Try Cambodia, the country has both worlds for you, historical sites and maybe not as developed as AC, it's a fun place visit.
My first visit to Angeles dates back to 2004. Blue Nile was the best bar in town, packed with 200 sexy girls, dancing like there is no tomorrow and going for 1. 000 Pesos LT. Since then, I visited once or twice a year.
Agree that inflation drives prices up, but nowadays 2. 500 to 3. 800 is the going rate for mostly ugly girls going ST. Gems can still be found, but it takes time to go around all the bars. Which is what I did.
Angeles has become Korean town. Korean bars, Korean restaurants all over the place. The latest addition to the Sports bar scene (Envy) is great. Nice place and good food, attentive staff and good value for money.
Prices of drinks are now 115-120 in most bars, but that is not an issue. Problem is the lack of girls in most bars. Crystal Palace which still had a full house of girls 4-5 years ago is now down to 20 girls. I actually counted 19 on a Saturday night at 9. 00 pm! And you still see Koreans throwing bundles of 20 Pesos notes to make the girls scream! The only bars on Fields which had some vibe and a fair amount of girls were QBar, Monsoon and Lollipop. Forget all others!
I have never been a fan of Perimeters, but based on all good reviews published here, I went to Det5/ Candy. Yes, plenty of girls all looking as if they just came back from having dropped the kids at school and doing the shuffle before going to the supermarket. Awful! I stayed 10 minutes and could not take it anymore. On the way back stopped at Ponytails which had a decent line-up. 5 girls out of 20 were dancing, the others just standing there waiting to be picked.
My plan was to stay 10 days, but I cut it short after 3 days and will call it my last visit to Angeles. Good memories, even for the last night for which I managed to find a real cutie in Monsoon. I could have stayed a couple of days more just for her, but Angeles was so disappointing that I decided to move on.
So Michelangelo, where next? Every venue is disappointing compared to the past. Do you have a nirvana or just hopping around hoping the next place is better?
SE.
[QUOTE=Michelangelo;2217008]My first visit to Angeles dates back to 2004. Blue Nile was the best bar in town, packed with 200 sexy girls, dancing like there is no tomorrow and going for 1. 000 Pesos LT. Since then, I visited once or twice a year.
Agree that inflation drives prices up, but nowadays 2. 500 to 3. 800 is the going rate for mostly ugly girls going ST. Gems can still be found, but it takes time to go around all the bars. Which is what I did.
Angeles has become Korean town. Korean bars, Korean restaurants all over the place. The latest addition to the Sports bar scene (Envy) is great. Nice place and good food, attentive staff and good value for money.
Prices of drinks are now 115-120 in most bars, but that is not an issue. Problem is the lack of girls in most bars. Crystal Palace which still had a full house of girls 4-5 years ago is now down to 20 girls. I actually counted 19 on a Saturday night at 9. 00 pm! And you still see Koreans throwing bundles of 20 Pesos notes to make the girls scream! The only bars on Fields which had some vibe and a fair amount of girls were QBar, Monsoon and Lollipop. Forget all others!
I have never been a fan of Perimeters, but based on all good reviews published here, I went to Det5/ Candy. Yes, plenty of girls all looking as if they just came back from having dropped the kids at school and doing the shuffle before going to the supermarket. Awful! I stayed 10 minutes and could not take it anymore. On the way back stopped at Ponytails which had a decent line-up. 5 girls out of 20 were dancing, the others just standing there waiting to be picked.
My plan was to stay 10 days, but I cut it short after 3 days and will call it my last visit to Angeles. Good memories, even for the last night for which I managed to find a real cutie in Monsoon. I could have stayed a couple of days more just for her, but Angeles was so disappointing that I decided to move on.[/QUOTE]Nice write up and report, thanks!
Perimeter area, the only nice ones are cherry girls LOL.
The best girls aren't at the bars anymore. They don't need to be. Times are changing, but it is what it is.
They can cut out the middle man and more money freelancing online (FB, IG, Tinder, Tagged etc), or in the clubs (HiSo, Mega). When you also factor in the fact that bars can't directly recruit from the province anymore (trafficking laws), you realise the current bar system in AC is completely outdated and in need of a revamp.
[QUOTE=Michelangelo;2217008]My first visit to Angeles dates back to 2004. Blue Nile was the best bar in town, packed with 200 sexy girls, dancing like there is no tomorrow and going for 1. 000 Pesos LT. Since then, I visited once or twice a year.
Agree that inflation drives prices up, but nowadays 2. 500 to 3. 800 is the going rate for mostly ugly girls going ST. Gems can still be found, but it takes time to go around all the bars. Which is what I did.
Angeles has become Korean town. Korean bars, Korean restaurants all over the place. The latest addition to the Sports bar scene (Envy) is great. Nice place and good food, attentive staff and good value for money.
Prices of drinks are now 115-120 in most bars, but that is not an issue. Problem is the lack of girls in most bars. Crystal Palace which still had a full house of girls 4-5 years ago is now down to 20 girls. I actually counted 19 on a Saturday night at 9. 00 pm! And you still see Koreans throwing bundles of 20 Pesos notes to make the girls scream! The only bars on Fields which had some vibe and a fair amount of girls were QBar, Monsoon and Lollipop. Forget all others!.[/QUOTE]1. It must have been really special to find AC in 2004. You are one of the lucky ones. My first year in 2010 it was still pretty wild but soon changed in 2012 w / numerous bar raids. My whole life would be completely different (now) had I gone in 04. I'm happy w / my life as it is so I'm glad I started when I did.
2. Yes, the Ks have become a dominate force in AC as both customers and bar owners. W / out their presence (in AC) the town / P4P scene would be on life support. It's a 2 sided coin. I like the K bars and for the most part the talent is a notch better.
3. Crystal Palace, the Dollhouse and Atlantis are all at their lowest point since I started going imo. My favorite show bar now is Club X.
4. I've always been a fan of the Perimeter bars and in the past I would agree w / your assessment but on my last trip there were about 3 or 4 bars that had exceptional talent. Ponytails used to be a mainstay in my bar rotation but on my last visit a month ago talent wasn't inspiring. One or two stood out (killer bodies) but were disinterested in the audience. So maybe I was lucky on the Perimeter and unlucky at Ponytails as our opinions are the opposite. To each his own comes into play as well.
5. Someday I'll say my final goodbyes to AC but I hope that's a long time from now. There's no place like AC and I won't go into too many details why I think this. I'll mention one. The show bars w / choreographed dancers that get paid double the BG rate (by these show bars) because they spend their afternoons memorizing hundreds of dance moves, the bar opens, show at 8 pm. That would be Club X. On my last visit they had fire dancers dressed in leopard tights twirling torches. Damn good show AND w extras. What town can I find this kind of show and then be able to take one of the dancers out to dinner and fun? I'l like to know.
Thanks for your insights and report.
[QUOTE=RainMania;2217125]The best girls aren't at the bars anymore. They don't need to be. Times are changing, but it is what it is.
They can cut out the middle man and more money .....................[/QUOTE]Correct and what I have been saying in recent years. Dating Sites, and attractive girls preferring to be pounded by Sugar Daddy Sponsors, in Compound Estates, is the go now.
Under 50's "Walking Penises" , plus overweight over 50's, are still trying to procure attractive ones via the outdated and crude bar scene.
So, don't look for AC bar scene to improve any time soon. Innovate or perish, lads. I began innovating about 5/7 yrs ago, LOL. Find a new m. O. That suits you.
Note: Newbies will think AC is great, because they have not seen better, lets say 10 yrs and more ago.
[QUOTE=Sxxxx;2217191]So, don't look for AC bar scene to improve any time soon. Innovate or perish, lads. I began innovating about 5/7 yrs ago, LOL. Find a new m. O. That suits you..[/QUOTE]Problem as I see it with the use of internet sites to procure dates is your heading back into the territory of the dreaded photoshop. I want to meet the girl face to face before deciding to waste my time and money on her. Even the apps these days are loaded with glamour edits (photoshop reborn for those with a smart phone). Saggy tits and stretch marks are headed your way on a girl far less attractive than the photo's suggested. If your living there and have the time to send the girl packing when she shows up with an extra 30 pounds then go for it but the guys who are flying in with a limited timeslot on their tour can't waste a night waiting for a girl to show up who won't make the grade.
[QUOTE=Breadman;2217485]Problem as I see it with the use of internet sites to procure dates is your heading back into the territory of the dreaded photoshop. I want to meet the girl face to face before deciding to waste my time and money on her. Even the apps these days are loaded with glamour edits (photoshop reborn for those with a smart phone). Saggy tits and stretch marks are headed your way on a girl far less attractive than the photo's suggested. If your living there and have the time to send the girl packing when she shows up with an extra 30 pounds then go for it but the guys who are flying in with a limited timeslot on their tour can't waste a night waiting for a girl to show up who won't make the grade.[/QUOTE]Ha ha, correct, we live in 'perilous times'.
Ones imagination / flexibility can get ya out of sticky situations, sometimes.
You make some valid points there re non bar m. O. Valid. My sources nowadays are a mix of m. O's. The guys who get girls recruiting for them, have success. No barfine / ladies drinks, but tip for recruiter, yes. Lots of my girls in Cebu, prior to AC were secured that way.
But as you say, the fly in, point / shoot, fuck, bar scene. Is best for those in a hurry. How about you have some dating site girls lined up before you arrive, for say 5-7 pm time frame and if you have not fucked them by 8 pm, off to the bars? Live cam, if available, can get around the photo shop problem. Come to think of it, might try it myself, LOL. It allows ones personality, to come into play. Girls / guys not only go for looks, they go for personality / vibes, too.
Even if you only operate via bars, innovation / imagination, helps a lot in increasing the fun value. I've got some innovative / imaginative m. O's re that too.
Fun, fun, its got to be fun or forget it.
[QUOTE=Breadman;2217485]Problem as I see it with the use of internet sites to procure dates is your heading back into the territory of the dreaded photoshop. I want to meet the girl face to face before deciding to waste my time and money on her.[/QUOTE]You are right. And I told a chick in Pattaya just that yesterday. She was trying to get me to commit to short time or long time and a fee, but I told her that I needed to see her in person first. That is one huge disadvantage of the new way of doing things.
On the flip side, you cover more ground in less time and there are a lot of free chicks mixed in. Last night about 11pm I met a chick on Tinder that works at the cable company here in Pattaya. She came right over. I was so tired that I fell right asleep. This morning as soon as I stirred, her head went right under the covers and to my dick. It was like she had been waiting for it all night. She just left headed to work.
[QUOTE=Sxxxx;2217554]Ha ha, correct, we live in 'perilous times'.
Ones imagination / flexibility can get ya out of sticky situations, sometimes.
You make some valid points there re non bar m. O. Valid. My sources nowadays are a mix of m. O's. The guys who get girls recruiting for them, have success. No barfine / ladies drinks, but tip for recruiter, yes. Lots of my girls in Cebu, prior to AC were secured that way.
But as you say, the fly in, point / shoot, fuck, bar scene. Is best for those in a hurry. How about you have some dating site girls lined up before you arrive, for say 5-7 pm time frame and if you have not fucked them by 8 pm, off to the bars? Live cam, if available, can get around the photo shop problem. Come to think of it, might try it myself, LOL. It allows ones personality, to come into play. Girls / guys not only go for looks, they go for personality / vibes, too.
Even if you only operate via bars, innovation / imagination, helps a lot in increasing the fun value. I've got some innovative / imaginative m. O's re that too.
Fun, fun, its got to be fun or forget it.[/QUOTE]Times can get even more perilous for older guys with failing eyesight and hearing when they try internet dating. Many end up getting naked in their hotel room only to discover that their cutie is not a she but a he, and he refuses to leave without some action or money, maybe even both. LOL!
It is not easy for elderly eyes to spot photo-shopped Adam's apples and age-related hearing loss makes it difficult to detect telltale high-pitched squeaky voices that may cause alarm during cam chats. Furthermore, the ever-growing population of gender ambiguous 'ladies' on WeChat and other online apps looking for some fun and profit with foreign gents are very skilled at adjusting angles and lighting to bait their targets into inviting them over to their hotel room.
Mongers fishing online will eventually have to physically examine their catch, as it is the only way to confirm whether they landed a tuna or a great white shark. With online fishing, mongers have to deal with sorting and throwing back their own by catch to include wrangling hungry sharks on deck who do not want to get back into the water without tasting a piece of the fella who reeled them in. LOL! It is not as safe and convenient as going to bar / fish market where all of the snappers, tunas, and clams are nicely sorted and rotated in displays. In the bar one can just call over the fishmongers and ask them to bring over a particular specimen for a bit of sniffing, poking, and ogling before deciding to make a purchase. That sort of customer service and pre-sorting is not available online. It is like going from being a customer at the seafood counter at Whole Foods to becoming a Bering Sea fisherman working the deck in rough weather on the 'Deadliest Catch' at night.
[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2217811]Times can get even more perilous for older guys with failing eyesight and hearing when they try internet dating. Many end up getting naked in their hotel room only to discover that their cutie is not a she but a he, and he refuses to leave without some action or money, maybe even both. LOL!
It is not easy for elderly eyes to spot photo-shopped Adam's apples and age-related hearing loss makes it difficult to detect telltale high-pitched squeaky voices that may cause alarm during cam chats. Furthermore, the ever-growing population of gender ambiguous 'ladies' on WeChat and other online apps looking for some fun and profit with foreign gents are very skilled at adjusting angles and lighting to bait their targets into inviting them over to their hotel room.
Mongers fishing online will eventually have to physically examine their catch, as it is the only way to confirm whether they landed a tuna or a great white shark. With online fishing, mongers have to deal with sorting and throwing back their own by catch to include wrangling hungry sharks on deck who do not want to get back into the water without tasting a piece of the fella who reeled them in. LOL! It is not as safe and convenient as going to bar / fish market where all of the snappers, tunas, and clams are nicely sorted and rotated in displays. In the bar one can just call over the fishmongers and ask them to bring over a particular specimen for a bit of sniffing, poking, and ogling before deciding to make a purchase. That sort of customer service and pre-sorting is not available online. It is like going from being a customer at the seafood counter at Whole Foods to becoming a Bering Sea fisherman working the deck in rough weather on the 'Deadliest Catch' at night.[/QUOTE]Those are good points, but if an old monger can figure out a way to post on this forum and upload pictures, then they can also figure out the online P4 P scene.
Online isn't perfect, but it sure has a lot more pros than cons. For starters, it almost completely negates the ST scam bargirls have become to used to (agree to LT in the bar, but change to ST when in the room), because you pay AFTER, not before.
You'll end up spending less than if you barfine. I'm hearing of barfines in the 2500-3500 P region these days (not including lady drinks). 2 k pesos will get you most girls online for as long as you want, and if you go to HiSo 2 k will get you most of the girls for at least the next 6-12 hrs (maybe more) if you negotiate well.
The sheer number and variety of girls online alone far surpasses anything the bars have to offer. Sure there are WU scams, LB scams and other scams you'll have to navigate through when traveling through FB and the dating sites. That is the importance of forums like this, where fellow mongerers can exchange experiences and advice on how to get yourself the best possible experience.
I still like the bars, nice to talk to girls, get some groping action for a drink or two, but I rarely barfine these days. Maybe if the bars can innovate (as mentioned earlier) and find a way to improve their lineups and services, people like myself would start spending there again.
If you haven't been scammed a little then you haven't mongered enough! I am not saying to be a fool but it takes a little risk taking to get good results. Just as stores have a loss tolerance built into the business we should have a scam tolerance.
"Deadliest catch" is funny writings but is fish shit. Just be aware and ready to reel in or cut the line.
Monger on!
[QUOTE=Dg8787;2217918]If you haven't been scammed a little then you haven't mongered enough! I am not saying to be a fool but it takes a little risk taking to get good results. Just as stores have a loss tolerance built into the business we should have a scam tolerance.
Monger on![/QUOTE]I've never been scammed but I have paid my share of Low IQ Tax.
Every time I've lost something I've made it incredibly easy and tempting and not taken the most basic of security precautions.
Funnily enough, they have also happened after incredible night or even week sessions so in the end the loss was just a unintended way of tipping for excellent service.