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[QUOTE=Dg8787;2217918]If you haven't been scammed a little then you haven't mongered enough! I am not saying to be a fool but it takes a little risk taking to get good results. Just as stores have a loss tolerance built into the business we should have a scam tolerance.[/QUOTE]You will never know you've been scammed when the best scammers are doing it. You have to (really) be on your toes or get lucky to catch them. Case in point.

Interview dancer at Vikings. She passes interview and we're drinking and talking. (this night I'm tired, can only handle one BG and I tell her more than once).

I haven't paid BF yet and she starts telling me she really likes licking pussy. I was a little surprised but the thought was entertaining. We continue to talk and she says more about how much she likes pussy. I tell her a few times that I can only handle one (her).

Eventually we leave and hit Club X and order drinks. Our waitress has a very sexy outfit on and she looks pretty damn good. I tell my viking BF and she says, "buy her a drink, buy her a drink". The alcohol is starting to give me momentum and I say okay. The waitress sits w us and I like her, the viking BG likes her too. I buy a few rounds of tequila and of course I soon have 2 BFs in tow. (I did ask the Club X waitress to bring her outfit and she did).

A few more bars and we hit the room. Right away I tried to instigate the action but the Viking BG soon starts muttering things about taking a shower. I say go take a shower. I do the wild thing w the waitress and just finish when the viking BG comes out of shower. I say, okay honey get over here and lets have some fun. She mentions that she still needed to shower. I said you just did. She says but I need a shower.

Now I'm thinking she's a nut or she's having some kind of mental attack. I tell her she doesn't make any sense and so does the waitress. No matter, she says it's the shower. I say, what shower? She says, I need a shower. Some back and forth about the shower and this is when I gave up. I was tired and it was 2 am so I told her I was going to go back to her bar the next day to get a refund on her BF. She gets indignant and says very loud, LETS go now!

Well, okay then, lets go to your bar now, good idea. So the 3 of us are walking back to Vikings at 2:20 am. There is seating in front of this bar and it was packed w / their dancers and bar workers.

So I talked w / the mama and waited inside for 20 minutes while the mama talked to my (failed) BF outside. I get tired of waiting and go outside only to be ushered back inside the empty bar. Another 20 minutes went by, the mama was very upset but gave my BF money back due to this non performer.

At first when this BG started the issue about the mystical shower I thought she was damaged goods but no, she was very calculating. I surmised this little scammer wanted a bar fine but did not want to perform. Before she secures the bar fine she mentions, "I like to lick pussy". Soon after she is directing me to buy a drink for a waitress I think is cute which I do. She is leading me in her direction all the way to substitute the waitress for her. The viking BG is thinking the other waitress will take care of me (while she's in the shower) and she (the viking BG) will have an easy night. She can babble some mumbo jumbo and then she walks, no pussy grinding by some stranger.

I can't remember now when it all made sense to me. I think it was when we were walking to the viking club for my refund. I told the mama what I just wrote here and the mama was pissed and had my 3 K notes crumbled tightly in her fist. Eventually she opened her hand and gave me the refund. I caught the BG in her scam. I was happy about that but still it was a pain to go through.

The best scammers are subtle and ingenious. She didn't get her BF money so I won. Most of all she enlightened me to how skilled and devious these ladies can be. I still love them though. I just have to be on game. It's real easy to be played. The viking BG was amazing in her scam but I made sense of it and caught her.

Guys there is an easy way around fake pictures and photoshop. Just tell them you want to video chat. It's free, it's easy, and you can see what they actually look like. Hell, you could even tell them to show you their pussy if you're worried that they're sporting a cock!

[QUOTE=RickRock;2217992]Guys there is an easy way around fake pictures and photoshop. Just tell them you want to video chat. It's free, it's easy, and you can see what they actually look like. Hell, you could even tell them to show you their pussy if you're worried that they're sporting a cock![/QUOTE]Well my brother did all those things mentioned above. From looking at the first picture I could tell it was a guy, but he kept insisting she showed him her pussy and everything. When he got to Pattaya, we went down to the bar where the person works and it was indeed a guy. So the person would still have to have skills to tell a ladyboy from a real woman. I grew up around that kind of shit so it is second nature to me. Even on this site people will post a person and to me it is obviously a guy, but they think it is a woman. And to this day we still clown a buddy that has lived in Pattaya for the past 20 years. A bunch of guys got together for dinner at someone's house and he showed us a picture of a chick he had banged. Everyone in the room could tell it was a guy except him.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2217918]"Deadliest catch" is funny writings but is fish shit. Just be aware and ready to reel in or cut the line.[/QUOTE]LOL. But like he said, if a great white is already in the boat and its dick is just as hard as yours then you might have to give up some ass or money or both before he jumps back in the water and swims away. You better hope it is one of those 3-3-3s that you guys talk about!

[QUOTE=RainMania;2217875]Online isn't perfect, but it sure has a lot more pros than cons. For starters, it almost completely negates the ST scam bargirls have become to used to (agree to LT in the bar, but change to ST when in the room), because you pay AFTER, not before.[/QUOTE]Well I have always paid the bar fine after so never any ST for LT scams for me.

[QUOTE=RainMania;2217875]You'll end up spending less than if you barfine. I'm hearing of barfines in the 2500-3500 P region these days (not including lady drinks). 2K pesos will get you most girls online for as long as you want, and if you go to HiSo 2k will get you most of the girls for at least the next 6-12 hrs (maybe more) if you negotiate well.[/QUOTE]Negotiate well and get a price of 2K for FL in AC? You must be negotiating on behalf of the chick! Standard price in High Society and for online chicks is 1K and I have given chicks 1500 a couple of times for threesomes. 2K is what I pay Manila FL for LT.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2218003]Well I have always paid the bar fine after so never any ST for LT scams for me.

Negotiate well and get a price of 2K for FL in AC? You must be negotiating on behalf of the chick! Standard price in High Society and for online chicks is 1K and I have given chicks 1500 a couple of times for threesomes. 2K is what I pay Manila FL for LT.[/QUOTE]You pay the barfine after. Either you are on personal terms with all the mamasans and managers, or you're talking out of your ass. Either way, your experience does relate to 95% of people who visit the bars.

Sure, 1-1. 5 k can get you a girl in HiSo, most of the time after 3-4 am when all the top talent is gone and the club is starting to empty.

[QUOTE=RainMania;2218040]You pay the barfine after. Either you are on personal terms with all the mamasans and managers, or you're talking out of your ass. Either way, your experience does relate to 95% of people who visit the bars.

Sure, 1-1. 5 k can get you a girl in HiSo, most of the time after 3-4 am when all the top talent is gone and the club is starting to empty.[/QUOTE]I am not on any terms with anyone. Most guys just go along with the way they are told and so that is why my experience may not relate to most. I tend to make my own way and not go along with the status quo. All it takes is a few words, "I pay after," to be different than the 95%.

My vote is for DIA, because I joined it initially expecting women fromall over Asia then discovered it is overwhelmingly Pinay. A lot of the girls onky have access an hour or so a day and quickly want to move to Skype, but I met one gal there with whom I had a six month thing.

[QUOTE=KabulGuy;2215622]All the popular sites are OK and each has it's pluses and minuses. Often you will find same girls on more than one site.

Pinalove would be my suggestion, just start a week or so before you get here and make contacts, pay for an account so you are not flagged as a cheap charlie and can send unlimited messages.

I have also gad good luck on Tinder recently.

SA is costly to use and not as many escorts for the night but girls looking for4 long term arrangements.[/QUOTE]

Completely different reviews by two guys who both seem to have tons of experience in Angeles City. Not only that but they might have even crossed paths during the creation of their completely different reviews. I left Sockers' comments about Makati in the quote since I believe it reflects on his view of AC. I took the liberty to condense the breaks in their posts to lessen the impact of two huge quotes to the page. I also edited out sockers photo comment.

[QUOTE=Socker;2213303]Cheers to all good hearted mongers. Home now. *I'm on my some-tenth trip booked for 3 weeks cut down to 2 and a day due to technical difficulties. *what I've found out about the current state of the Makati and ac scenes. My info on Makati where I spent my first 3 days 2 weeks ago is limited but I did manage to bar hop a little during the day. *tickles and bourbon had little to offer at happy hour, *2,100 BF cost. *I met a skinny cutie at tickles and eventually exercised w / her later in the day. Before I took her I went to bourbon and then rogues. *rogues has moved across the street and is less designed for dancer maulings but the girls can still apply their hard sell any where they want. And they did! Their day talent had some goodies and the rogue BF was 1,600 so that was attractive. Stupid me promised the tickle's dancer I would return which I did. *in both bars I asked the BGs if they would go for 2 K tip and it was a happy yes. For a decent Burgos BG 3,600 (all in) is pretty good. The night before my buddy and I went to the cafe Havana hunting (or prey) for FLs. The one I picked turned out to be a dud at 3 k. My buddy found himself in a nice session, *not me. *my dud left me unfinished (midnight) so I went out for a Burgos FL and found 2 bottom fish ready for a stereo BJ which got to to bed w a smile.

AC, perimeter. Got there 18 days ago and saved a lot of money by staying in my room every other night. *I also saved because of the perimeter pricing. *the perimeter bars were between 1,800 and 2,500 and the talent was in every price range. *I didn't have to spend 2,500 to get something special which is like the old AC. I made sure to go to bars I never used to hit so I found Det5 to be very good, *I think lips was another bar (4 bars away from master Poseidon) that had talent overflowing. I found a gem at Rio but stopped at bar around the corner for 10 minutes then returned to Rio and she was gone. *that I'll regret until I forget about it in a years time, maybe never. Stopped in ice bar and the platinum bar but they're not what they once were, ice bar has the edge here. Ponytails was also less than my last visit in January. Emotions wasokay w a nice sexy big tits waitress. I'll remember her. *I went back for her a couple of times but timing was bad. *she was dripping w sex appeal. bar fine 2 k I think. In most bars they had single and double LDs, 160/300 p. They're were other good bars on the perimeter but memory is doing the best it can right now. I pulled maybe 4 or 5 from the perimeter in my 10 days. If I were my old self it would have easily been closer to 15. Plenty of talent here.

Fields. I went to all my faves, Arcadia (1 pull 2 times), *club ra, *lollipops, *vikings (2 pulls), *club x, *and then the smaller bars which seemed to be more lively than in the past, I'm thinking la bamba. I liked la bamba and the margaritas were surprisingly good. The margarita high is my favorite of all liquors and drinks. A lot of nice dark ones here as was rapsody. I went to others but now forget. Arcadia was easily the bar w the most talent. I wish I were 100%. *so many I liked. I ended up BFing a special (brand new) Cebuana from Arcadia. Twice! Half the bars I went to collected bar fines the old way, half the new way (intentionally vague). The name your price, "subic method" was in play at very few bars and there was no gouging by the BGs as there was on my last subic visit. The BGs I asked "how much" always quoted a normal field's BF price. Fields is still at 3 k every where I went, some at 2,500. Drinks were also the same as last year which is great. My assessment for the casual tourist like myself (locals already know I think) on the state of things in AC is this. Everything is the same except the BGs are slightly more business oriented. Slightly is the key word in this opinion. They are not as cuddly as they used to be but still far more than their Thailand cousins.

Another big change imv is the talent. Usually the best talent (IMO) is in Makati but I've noticed over my last couple of trips that's reversing and AC as the better lookers. Granted I've been in Makati a total of 4 full days and only managed a few bars. *I haven't been to kojaxes yet which is the epicenter of lookers imv. Bottoms I have been in and it's not what it used to be. Bottoms hh price is 2,100 too and I'm sure the BG will go for 2 K and their talent tops rogues. *I will try for bottoms in a couple of hours body willing.

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[QUOTE=Michelangelo;2217008]My first visit to Angeles dates back to 2004. Blue Nile was the best bar in town, packed with 200 sexy girls, dancing like there is no tomorrow and going for 1. 000 Pesos LT. Since then, I visited once or twice a year. Agree that inflation drives prices up, but nowadays 2. 500 to 3. 800 is the going rate for mostly ugly girls going ST. Gems can still be found, but it takes time to go around all the bars. Which is what I did. Angeles has become Korean town. Korean bars, Korean restaurants all over the place. The latest addition to the Sports bar scene (Envy) is great. Nice place and good food, attentive staff and good value for money. Prices of drinks are now 115-120 in most bars, but that is not an issue. Problem is the lack of girls in most bars. Crystal Palace which still had a full house of girls 4-5 years ago is now down to 20 girls. I actually counted 19 on a Saturday night at 9. 00 pm! And you still see Koreans throwing bundles of 20 Pesos notes to make the girls scream! The only bars on Fields which had some vibe and a fair amount of girls were QBar, Monsoon and Lollipop. Forget all others! I have never been a fan of Perimeters, but based on all good reviews published here, I went to Det5/ Candy. Yes, plenty of girls all looking as if they just came back from having dropped the kids at school and doing the shuffle before going to the supermarket. Awful! I stayed 10 minutes and could not take it anymore. On the way back stopped at Ponytails which had a decent line-up. 5 girls out of 20 were dancing, the others just standing there waiting to be picked. My plan was to stay 10 days, but I cut it short after 3 days and will call it my last visit to Angeles. Good memories, even for the last night for which I managed to find a real cutie in Monsoon. I could have stayed a couple of days more just for her, but Angeles was so disappointing that I decided to move on.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2217995]Well my brother did all those things mentioned above. From looking at the first picture I could tell it was a guy, but he kept insisting she showed him her pussy and everything.[/QUOTE]Exactly! Many fellas are overconfident in their ability to differentiate a real pussy from a fake pussy over webcam. 'She' showed him 'her pussy' all right, but it was not an Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) part. LOL! Gender ambiguous ladies are also ready for the 'show-me-your-tits' guys, and can show them marvelous boobs that have better aesthetics than genuine OEM boobs.

The eyes are not as reliable as many fellas think. Innocence Project researchers have reported that 73 percent of the 239 convictions overturned through DNA testing were based on eyewitness testimony. One third of these overturned cases rested on the testimony of two or more mistaken eyewitnesses.

Much like magicians, non-OEM girls rely on the notorious unreliability of the eyes to perform very convincing illusions that leave many mongers swearing that 'she' has marvelous tits and pussy. They never consider that their eyes and minds may be playing tricks on them. Some of them even fuck their online conquests without ever realizing she is a he, until someone else points it out or their lover confesses after the monger declares that it was the best pussy he ever had and wants to get married. LOL!

Another problem with the 'show-me-your-pussy' test on webcam besides its unreliability is that it may offend the young attractive non-pro girls. The higher quality non-pro girls are choosy about which mongers they meet and some geezer demanding to see their tits and pussy on webcam comes across as a pervert looking for cheap thrills.

There are tens of thousands of guys like that online and they annoy the girls with their voyeuristic demands. Going that route is likely to result in attractive non-pros blocking the mongers who request such 'proof of gender' and / or, in the case of DIA, reporting the mongers as perverts, and having them kicked off the DIA website for violating the terms of service. LOL!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2217995]When he got to Pattaya, we went down to the bar where the person works and it was indeed a guy. So the person would still have to have skills to tell a ladyboy from a real woman. I grew up around that kind of shit so it is second nature to me. Even on this site people will post a person and to me it is obviously a guy, but they think it is a woman. And to this day we still clown a buddy that has lived in Pattaya for the past 20 years. A bunch of guys got together for dinner at someone's house and he showed us a picture of a chick he had banged. Everyone in the room could tell it was a guy except him.[/QUOTE]There are some amazing cases of expats living with and banging girls for years before learning that their darling is a dude. The transient internet dating site monger is even less likely to detect anything out of the ordinary because he is horny, pressed for time, and in holiday drinking mode. They often report that the chick gives phenomenal BBBJs, prostate massages, and loves licking their bootyhole. However, they never question why. LOL!

[QUOTE=Socker;2217952]You will never know you've been scammed when the best scammers are doing it. You have to (really) be on your toes or get lucky to catch them. Case in point.

Interview dancer at Vikings. She passes interview and we're drinking and talking. (this night I'm tired, can only handle one BG and I tell her more than once).

I haven't paid BF yet and she starts telling me she really likes licking pussy. I was a little surprised but the thought was entertaining. We continue to talk and she says more about how much she likes pussy. I tell her a few times that I can only handle one (her).

The best scammers are subtle and ingenious. She didn't get her BF money so I won. Most of all she enlightened me to how skilled and devious these ladies can be. I still love them though. I just have to be on game. It's real easy to be played. The viking BG was amazing in her scam but I made sense of it and caught her.[/QUOTE]Yep. That's the threesome scam to the T haha! One thing I do is what I call the 3 sum test. If a girl says she likes pussy, she has to prove it there and then in the bar. There are 3 levels to this test.

Level one, pick any girl in the bar, bring her over and fondle her boobs, ass and pussy. The prize is one SLD for each of them.

Level two, she has to make out the with the girl. Prize, one DLD for each.

Level three, each girl has to finger the other one, and put their wet fingers in their mouths, and then make out. If they do that, I barfine them immediately.

Two girls in LAC tried the threesome up sell on me, failed the test. Two shooterz girls tried the same (this time they simultaneously grinded on me, kissed me, played with my nipples and dick, both were topless), but still failed the test because they never played with each other. Two bamboo girls did pass the test, they won the grand prize, as did two HiSo girls.

Good luck if and when you try this.

[QUOTE=RainMania;2218265]Yep. That's the threesome scam to the T haha! One thing I do is what I call the 3 sum test. If a girl says she likes pussy, she has to prove it there and then in the bar. There are 3 levels to this test.

Level one, pick any girl in the bar, bring her over and fondle her boobs, ass and pussy. The prize is one SLD for each of them.

Level two, she has to make out the with the girl. Prize, one DLD for each.

Level three, each girl has to finger the other one, and put their wet fingers in their mouths, and then make out. If they do that, I barfine them immediately.

Two girls in LAC tried the threesome up sell on me, failed the test. Two shooterz girls tried the same (this time they simultaneously grinded on me, kissed me, played with my nipples and dick, both were topless), but still failed the test because they never played with each other. Two bamboo girls did pass the test, they won the grand prize, as did two HiSo girls.

Good luck if and when you try this.[/QUOTE]Seems you have a similar MO to me when negotiating. The more they give the more they get.

In other parts of the world I use this too. If they won't come to the party in the bar or club then they are not coming home with me.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2217997]LOL. But like he said, if a great white is already in the boat and its dick is just as hard as yours then you might have to give up some ass or money or both before he jumps back in the water and swims away. You better hope it is one of those 3-3-3s that you guys talk about![/QUOTE]Once he is solo with his catch in close quarters, only two choices remain. He can choose to do it the hard way or the easy way, but his catch will not be leaving without some compensation. It is up to him whether he will reach for his wallet or the Vaseline, maybe even both. LOL! One thing is certain; he will not be able to throw his catch back without giving up something.

Cut and run only works when the monger figures out what he has on the line or in the net before he lands it and has his gaff in hand. If his gaff is in the jaws of his catch, the poor fella has already switched places in food chain. LOL! He will need to be very generous in negotiating himself out of such an untenable position.

[QUOTE=RainMania;2218265]Yep. That's the threesome scam to the T haha! One thing I do is what I call the 3 sum test. If a girl says she likes pussy, she has to prove it there and then in the bar. There are 3 levels to this test.

Level one, pick any girl in the bar, bring her over and fondle her boobs, ass and pussy. The prize is one SLD for each of them.

Level two, she has to make out the with the girl. Prize, one DLD for each.

Level three, each girl has to finger the other one, and put their wet fingers in their mouths, and then make out. If they do that, I barfine them immediately..[/QUOTE]But what are they drinking while you put them through this lengthy test? They're not going to stay at your table unless you buy them at least one drink. Your waitress or the mama will police them in most cases.

Another scam that can be very effective is the crying scam. They only pull this on nice guys w / heart so a few guys here will never have to deal with it, happened to me in Subic 2 years ago.

The bar fine was a super fine spinner and she pulled the crying scam on me. We were getting ready for bed and she starts with the brutal bar sob story. She sleeps on the dirty hard floor (in the back of the bar) and has to pay a high rent to do this. The boss makes her work everyday, etc etc.

So after a few drinks we're sitting on the bed and I'm listening her nightmare story and it just took the wind out of my sails as it was meant to do. Soon she was lying under the covers crying and I soon let her go after trying to lift her spirits for 30 minutes. Then I turn out the lights and a few minutes later I say, "wait a minute"!

Why would she bar fine if she was that distraught? I thought more about in the dark and knew I was played. I got up and went to her bar and she was there. I told her your story doesn't fly and I want my bar fine money back. She wasn't distraught back in the bar. She said, okay, okay, I'll bring it to your hotel in the morning. Next morning she showed up with a big butch pinay and she looked incredibly good (summer dress). She walked over to where I was sitting (in front of hotel) and handed me the refund. I think I offered her to keep it if she came to my room but she was not interested. Fine. Another lesson learned.

Many scams out there. Actually the bars scam their customers out of full shot (tequila) thousands of times each day in the PI. I always make sure I get a full shot. In Club X I have them pour it at the table. That's the easiest way.

I appreciate your feed back. I think your bar fine mo is solid. I'll remember it. Threesomes are problematic.

[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2218313]Once he is solo with his catch in close quarters, only two choices remain. He can choose to do it the hard way or the easy way, but his catch will not be leaving without some compensation. It is up to him whether he will reach for his wallet or the Vaseline, maybe even both. LOL! One thing is certain; he will not be able to throw his catch back without giving up something..[/QUOTE]There was a monger on the board a few years go who described this. He found out it was a LB only once clothes off and pecker was hard. So he wrote that it was 'in for a penny on for a pound' and 'well it is a hole' and did the latter CM. Not surprisingly he was banned or the post redacted soon after but nor before there was a flurry of replies (as he did describe the incident in great detail also LOL).

In Cebu I have seen some very naive American guy wait for and leave with a LB only to come back 10 minutes later tail between his legs and likely poorer. He was lucky as clearly realised his companion was a LB before the clothes fell off LOL. Happen many times and is amusing to watch but never to experience LOL.