Angeles City

[QUOTE=RickRock;2223992]Who wants them to sleep overnight? Not me. They're working girls, not girlfriends or wives. I barely want my wife to sleep overnight. If I want an overnight I'll find a girlfriend. You pay them to leave, remember?[/QUOTE]Different folks different strokes. The fact that mongers complain about "runners" is evidence that they want girls to stay overnight. I personally like the girl to sleep over (not in a clingy way), so that I get the morning wood serviced before I get started with the day.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2223992]When women in bars want 4000 for short time, and be real and honest is most of them do in AC now do shortimes, that's approaching other cities levels for same. You can bang a hot European chick in a German FKK for less (50 Euros), and you get to see her naked first! You can get short time in Seoul for that much. You can get it for half as much in Pattaya or Saigon.

For 3000 Pesos and below things are still somewhat sustainable and worthwhile (considering you have to fly to Manila from somewhere, THEN do a 2 hour overland connection). Not to mention rooms that are about $100 a night for something decent, cut throat trikes that want 180 to take you from Fields to Ponytails, and child beggars and ladyboys in the street pulling on your shirt when you walk by.

There's a whole wide world out there. I am not limited to AC. Sorry for anyone else who is, but it's not all that bad. Beats Tuscon, Arizona at least.[/QUOTE]There are several options in AC under 2000 peso. Nearly every bar on perimeter road sets the BF at 1700 to 2000. Ponytail takes 2500. All bars on WS charge 3000, with the odd bar asking higher. You are really under no obligation to sit at the bar and buy drinks for everyone, that is your own call. Some guys complain about that, but there are many here who admit to a "point and click" model.

Once you fly into a major hub airport like HKG, SIN, ICN, PVG, KUL, BKK, etc. You can find a direct flight to CRK. No need to make it into MNL (which is possibly the worst airport on this planet) and make a land connection. You are right about the hotels though. AC needs more VFM mid-range hotels. The ones under $50 are absolute dumps and then there are the $100+ hotels. Nothing in between. There is a huge hotel complex coming up right opposite LGH that stretches all the way upto ABC. That might mean some price rationalisation from hotels like LGH which I always use.

I think you have been had by the trike guys. 100 peso is anywhere to anywhere between Phillies and Honeykos with all in-road in-betweens thrown in.

Yes, AC ain't perfect. It is in a state of decay and dereliction. But it's still a great place to spend a short holiday and bang cute girls. Unfortunately, white girls just don't work for me. So even if I make it to the FKKs I would have to restrict myself to Latinas. I don't know what sort of pussy you are referring to in Seoul and Pattaya. Those places ain't cheap anymore.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2224013]Sure, while you are at it, factor in the mortgage for your house back home, insurance, alimony perhaps and other expenses. That would give you a clearer picture. The point we are debating here is pound for pound. What does pussy cost in AC and what does it cost back home.

AC was never ever about high class service, even back in the day it was a place for cheap poon. But you will find several reasonably good looking girls that will do your every bidding for the right amount of cash. It's plain motivation theory. And that has worked for me.[/QUOTE]Before Elvis packed his bags in Memphis and moved to Angeles. , he'd often decide to have a hamburger, his favourite hamburger of the day. If his favourite was in LA, Tampa or wherever, off he'd go on on his private plane. To eat a fxxg hamburger. Hassle apart, more money does not necessarily bring better service and it is certainly not worth flying to Clark for a Jolibee.

The main attraction of places like Angeles and Pattaya is you know they are essentially one trick towns and that almost any woman you see has a price tag on her private parts. No different for a hardware store in that regard.

I think Pattaya and, less so, Angeles, will continue to work for two Western groups. The first of these are the fly by nights, who include them as part of an overall tour package. The second group are such as warm water scuba divers, who get two holidays in one (scuba diving and pooning). The worst cases, and I have met plenty of them, are those looking for love or a non cash-based relationship. Bottom line is we are bonking rice farmers' daughters and wives and, besides the obvious needs, we have nothing much in common.

I guess Angeles and Pattaya are best for well-grounded middle aged men who still have strong sex drives and like to shop for Viagra and Cialis. Getting a squaw and settling down on the reservation might work too. All depends on his the little head thinks.

Will be in AC next weekend and staying at ABC. Can anyone tell me what is considered tops when it comes to bars or clubs with the best looking girls? Is it still Atlantis? What about perimeter bars?

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2224019]Once you fly into a major hub airport like HKG, SIN, ICN, PVG, KUL, BKK, etc. [/QUOTE]There's no flight from Bangkok. So you have to fly to, in your words, "possibly the worst airport on this planet. " Then you get to negotiate with some of the worst taxi drivers anywhere, and once you agree on a price higher than what any local would pay, you get to drive through two hours of some of the worst traffic you can find anywhere. After that you arrive at a city without any of the amenities you can find in Bangkok where women are asking the same amount of money. So why would you make the extra effort (with two stops) when you're already in Bangkok? Honest question.

[QUOTE]You can find a direct flight to CRK. No need to make it into MNL (which is ) and make a land connection. You are right about the hotels though. AC needs more VFM mid-range hotels. The ones under $50 are absolute dumps and then there are the $100+ hotels. Nothing in between. There is a huge hotel complex coming up right opposite LGH that stretches all the way upto ABC. That might mean some price rationalisation from hotels like LGH which I always use.[/QUOTE]Mostly right except that Louis Grand is now a dump too. Have you seen the carpets in the rooms? Tried to use the wifi? Looked at that absolutely disgusting white couch in the lobby? It's still twice as much as you'd pay for a nicer newer hotel in Bangkok or Pattaya though.

[QUOTE]I think you have been had by the trike guys. 100 peso is anywhere to anywhere between Phillies and Honeykos with all in-road in-betweens thrown in.[/QUOTE]I'm a grown man so I can't fit inside a trike, but I've seen what foreigners pay. Korean guys I know who live in AC actually pay more than I mentioned! 100 would still be comparatively expensive though. For perspective you can take a Grab tuk tuk from Kandal Market to Russian Market in Phnom Penh for $1. 50 and that's maybe 4 times the distance.

[QUOTE]Yes, AC ain't perfect. It is in a state of decay and dereliction. But it's still a great place to spend a short holiday and bang cute girls. Unfortunately, white girls just don't work for me. So even if I make it to the FKKs I would have to restrict myself to Latinas. I don't know what sort of pussy you are referring to in Seoul and Pattaya. Those places ain't cheap anymore.[/QUOTE]Seoul red light district is 3000 Pesos for a fuck. Fuji Building or any walk up in Hong Kong is about 3000 Pesos. Pattaya Soi 6 is 1600 pesos. The original point stands then: because AC has nothing really positive about it except for the women, the prices would have to be much cheaper for the place to be a real draw, especially for those of us who live or are regularly in say Hong Kong or Bangkok.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2224013] even back in the day it was a place for cheap poon. [/QUOTE]This is exactly the point! It was a place for cheap poon. When the poon isn't cheap what will be the reason to go there? Just a few years ago I was paying 1500 right on Walking Street. Same bars price is 3000 or more. Where is the "cheap" line broken? 5000 PHP? 10000 PHP?

[QUOTE=RickRock;2224099]Just a few years ago I was paying 1500 right on Walking Street. Same bars price is 3000 or more.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, this is an issue Asia wide not just AC.

Low Cost Carrier fares have drastically increased the number of and demand from weekend millionaires.

Growth in low and middle class jobs mean that many girls can earn as much vertically as they can horizontally.

On top of this, apps allow a way to get top up funds with out the dramas nor social risks of working in a bar or gogo.

The oldest profession will continue but I do agree that times are changing.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2224117]Unfortunately, this is an issue Asia wide not just AC.

Low Cost Carrier fares have drastically increased the number of and demand from weekend millionaires.

Growth in low and middle class jobs mean that many girls can earn as much vertically as they can horizontally.

On top of this, apps allow a way to get top up funds with out the dramas nor social risks of working in a bar or gogo.

The oldest profession will continue but I do agree that times are changing.[/QUOTE]Are you sure?

In 2010 for short time I paid 1000 Baht in Pattaya, 80000 Kyat in Yangon, 1000000 VND in Saigon, 500 HKD in Hong Kong.

Right now for short time I pay 1000 Baht in Pattaya, 80000 Kyat in Yangon, 1000000 VND in Saigon, 500 HKD in Hong Kong.

Prices are up in some places. Angeles City and Jakarta come most immediately to mind. Not everywhere though. Not everywhere in Asia for sure.

I can still get a cheap blow job in Bangkok for 800 Baht, only up 100 Baht over years. In AC blow row is pretty much gone, so I can't get it at any price! Cities like Bangkok and Phnom Penh are also developing like crazy, but Angeles City not so much.

I'm not here to argue with everyone or trash Angeles City, but I don't see anything wrong with being honest about the situation.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2224142]Are you sure?

In 2010 for short time I paid 1000 Baht in Pattaya, 80000 Kyat in Yangon, 1000000 VND in Saigon, 500 HKD in Hong Kong.

Right now for short time I pay 1000 Baht in Pattaya, 80000 Kyat in Yangon, 1000000 VND in Saigon, 500 HKD in Hong Kong.

Prices are up in some places. Angeles City and Jakarta come most immediately to mind. Not everywhere though. Not everywhere in Asia for sure.

I can still get a cheap blow job in Bangkok for 800 Baht, only up 100 Baht over years. In AC blow row is pretty much gone, so I can't get it at any price! Cities like Bangkok and Phnom Penh are also developing like crazy, but Angeles City not so much.

I'm not here to argue with everyone or trash Angeles City, but I don't see anything wrong with being honest about the situation.[/QUOTE]Yes, there will always be exceptions and variations across the region.

I'll stand by my comment about the changes to the supply and demand dynamic and its effect on some prices (especially at the uper end of the market). However, I'll also concede that my reference points may be well before 2010.

Me quoting 100 kRp in Jakarta and 30 k K in Yangoon was so long ago its comparing apples and oranges. It doesn't stop me missing those days though. . . 🤣.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2224099]This is exactly the point! It was a place for cheap poon. When the poon isn't cheap what will be the reason to go there? Just a few years ago I was paying 1500 right on Walking Street. Same bars price is 3000 or more. Where is the "cheap" line broken? 5000 PHP? 10000 PHP?[/QUOTE]I would probably go with "in your head".

3000 peso is cheap for my wallet.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2224098]There's no flight from Bangkok. So you have to fly to, in your words, "possibly the worst airport on this planet. " Then you get to negotiate with some of the worst taxi drivers anywhere, and once you agree on a price higher than what any local would pay, you get to drive through two hours of some of the worst traffic you can find anywhere. After that you arrive at a city without any of the amenities you can find in Bangkok where women are asking the same amount of money. So why would you make the extra effort (with two stops) when you're already in Bangkok? Honest question.[/QUOTE]OK, so there are no flights from BKK. Great, you win. What about the other airports?

Hate to break it to you, but the women aren't asking money for the amenities you get in the city. They are asking money for a roll in the hay with men old enough to be their grandpas. And its not an awful lot.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2224098]Mostly right except that Louis Grand is now a dump too. Have you seen the carpets in the rooms? Tried to use the wifi? Looked at that absolutely disgusting white couch in the lobby? It's still twice as much as you'd pay for a nicer newer hotel in Bangkok or Pattaya though.[/QUOTE]LGH has definitely lost its charm, I was there in August and reported on it. However, this time I got a good deal at $60 per night, so I can't complain much. It is still better than some others closer to Fields. I used to be a Wild Orchid fan at one point.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2224098]I'm a grown man so I can't fit inside a trike, but I've seen what foreigners pay. Korean guys I know who live in AC actually pay more than I mentioned! 100 would still be comparatively expensive though. For perspective you can take a Grab tuk tuk from Kandal Market to Russian Market in Phnom Penh for $1. 50 and that's maybe 4 times the distance.[/QUOTE]Trikes charge a 100 peso. And I know that is too much. But its a gravity issue for me, nothing can be done about it. You could try using the jeepneys, but I would much rather swim with sharks.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2224098]Seoul red light district is 3000 Pesos for a fuck. Fuji Building or any walk up in Hong Kong is about 3000 Pesos. Pattaya Soi 6 is 1600 pesos. The original point stands then: because AC has nothing really positive about it except for the women, the prices would have to be much cheaper for the place to be a real draw, especially for those of us who live or are regularly in say Hong Kong or Bangkok.[/QUOTE]I have been around in Seoul. CheonHo, Miarai Texas, Hooker Hill, Area 588. You get 20-30 minutes for that 3000 peso. Oh, I forgot, you are the guy who likes to get laid and get going right away. Doesn't work for me. Not mongered much in HKG, so I don't know. And Pattaya is a city created for single male entertainment 24/7. No comparison. But in Pattaya too, if you want quality, there is a price to it.

For me, if I don't like a place for any reason, I simply don't go back there. Because complaining ain't going to change things up there.

[QUOTE=RickRock;2224142]In 2010 for short time I paid 1000 Baht in Pattaya, 80000 Kyat in Yangon, 1000000 VND in Saigon, 500 HKD in Hong Kong.[/QUOTE]Probably paid too much in Pattaya. 1000 was for LT even in 2012/2013. Even now you get the odd report on the Pattaya thread from mongers claiming to pay only 500 for a BR hooker, ST.

At the end of the day it is all in our minds. What we consider as fair pay, what we consider as a hot girl, what we consider as good service. Of course, there are certain other things like infrastructure which cannot be debated. And in that department the Philippines always sucks.

I'm glad this was brought up, because I'm struggling with the same decision right now and need to decide fairly soon. I went to AC twice in the last year and had a great time. I like the fact that the girls speak English. It's cheap, it's chill, and I found the girls to be very nice for the most part, and not mercenaries at all. To tell you the truth I would actually go back for sure except for some drama that one particular girl has caused me since I've been back in the states by trying to contact people in my life and work world and badmouth me. Luckily I'm not blackmail-able since I'm single and my employer is way too large. But attempts have been made and it has soured me to the small city. I'm sure she would spot me (I'm easily spottable) and cause a scene and it's not something I even want to worry about.

For me, after reading plenty of the Thailand forums, the downside there is the lack of bareback offered. For me I think this is a deal breaker. In AC I batted about 93% bare and it was fantastic. If I travel half way around the world to put my dick in a rubber glove then I'd rather just stay home and jerk it. But that's me. I'm fit, tall, youngish, white, and I have money to spend. Can I improve my odds over the average monger? Probably. But anything less than 50% I would consider a loss. Hell, the CreampieThais guy sure seems to have no problem (damn I'm so jealous of that guy). Thoughts?

Throwing in my 2 cents on getting to AC. Manila airport to Makati via GrabTaxi. Spend a night there and check out Burgos (damn there are some hotties there). Then Beeway travel the next day to AC. I've used them 4 times and it's always been a nice van with me alone with a good driver. They're super prompt. Yeah it's $50. It's worth it.

[QUOTE=FuriousGeorge;2224311]I'm glad this was brought up, because I'm struggling with the same decision right now and need to decide fairly soon. I went to AC twice in the last year and had a great time. I like the fact that the girls speak English. It's cheap, it's chill, and I found the girls to be very nice for the most part, and not mercenaries at all. To tell you the truth I would actually go back for sure except for some drama that one particular girl has caused me since I've been back in the states by trying to contact people in my life and work world and badmouth me.[/QUOTE]Why do you guys give those broad so much information? I have been fucking non-paid chicks for years and have no idea what their names are. Two years ago I was fucking my neighbor in Thailand who has a boyfriend that pays for everything. The only reason I found out her name was because she spoke about herself in 3rd person one time when telling me a story. She did not know my name until two weeks ago when we were at a party with a neighbor that is fucking her now and he called my name out. How the heck does a chick know where you work and is able to contact people back in your real life?

[QUOTE=FuriousGeorge;2224311] Thoughts?[/QUOTE]I think you should "stay home and jerk it. ".

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2224329]Why do you guys give those broad so much information?[/QUOTE]Let's go back a step: what are they doing to pis girls off so much that they are being pursued when, by their own admission there is no gain from black mail, embarrassing them etc?

I've had a few psychos, disagreements, been screamed at, tears flowing and threats of calling police / army friends. Its all an effort to get more money rather than a vendetta so once it's clear that none will be forthcoming, they quietly move on to the next target. A couple of times they have even called back offering to drop around again🙄.