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[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2632523]How much of the global spread of the CCP plague is attributable to the "PPE" they are selling? ROTFLMFAO.
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/30/health/covid-masks-counterfeit-fake.html?fbclid=IwAR3HATr69mA4yPARp_NxNfKuRkMrUkisE4u4IEphwct2qDEm0d-l8_JOc5Y[/URL]
[/QUOTE]When are you going to realise that no one can read your linked articles? Who TF would make a subsrcription to the NYT?
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2632094]Great post FL! So if the vaccine lived up to its 95% efficacy and seeing as how we are about 60% vaccinated, the number of cases should have gone from about 20 million to about 10 million. Furthermore, as people were vaccinated, the number of cases should have gone down in direct correlation to how many were vaccinated, I. E. Fewer cases in October than March. That did not happen.
And the most vaccinated countries in the world (Israel, Ireland, and Gibraltar) should have seen near complete eradication of the virus. Instead they have all dealt with new severe outbreaks requiring lockdowns.
So what did Fauci and the "scientists" do? The same thing the "scientists" who spoke of global warming did. They changed the name. For global warming, it was "scientists" changing the name to climate change when the earth quit heating up and here the focus was not on percent effectiveness with stopping new cases but preventing death and hospitalization. You are 11 X less likely to die if vaccinated they say.
I do not get that last part because if we have more deaths in 2021 and over half the population is vaccinated and the death rates are higher in 2021, the only way those numbers add up is if the unvaccinated had to deal with a virus like 11 X more potent right?[/QUOTE]In the late 70's the media was screaming that the "scientists" were sounding the alarm that the next ice age was 10-20 yrs away.
Yes ice age? ROTFLMAO.
I am no expert on "climate science" but I can easily see it is a political issue.
With a large anti capitalism segment and I suspect a huge campaign from the CCP to con western countries.
To pass stricter environmental laws, so that it will be easier for everyone just to move all global manufacturing to lawless CCP land.
Politics and science don't mix well.
Case in point, the CCP plague of 2019.
[QUOTE=Villainy;2632267]Israel and Ireland are the most vaccinated countries in the world? Simply not even close to being true.[/QUOTE]Your "source" did not even list those countries, and your list contains a number of heavily vaccinated countries in Europe getting pounded with Covid right now.
Let's get back to the question at hand. The cases of Covid have doubled in 2021 despite the vaccine. How many do you project in 2022 and how would you define success?
The thing we know about you douches is that no matter what the result is, you will bash Republicans as the cause of disease and death and praise "scientists" no matter what the data shows.
[QUOTE=Villainy;2632267]Afterall I believe in math, statistics and science; and I don't believe in the latest ravings from the Elvis school of make-believe.[/QUOTE]No, you do not. You use "scientists" to advance your political agenda and ignore data when it does not suit you.
I am not going to get into a debate on global warming / climate change. What I will say is that the theory is that rising CO2 leads to higher temperatures. Again, just like if the vaccine worked, we would see a linear decline in cases. The same should go with CO2 and temperature, higher CO2 leads to higher temps but when the data does not fit, you see all the bullshit excuses.
[URL]https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/features/GISSTemperature/giss_temperature4.php[/URL]
Of greater concern to Hansen than global warming skeptics is the problem of global warming itself. If greenhouse gases are to blame then why did Earth's average temperature cool from 1940-1970? And why has the rate of global warming accelerated since 1978? Hansen's answers to these questions brought him full circle to where he began his investigation more than 40 years ago.
"I think the cooling that Earth experienced through the middle of the twentieth century was due in part to natural variability," he said. "But there's another factor made by humans which probably contributed, and could even be the dominant cause: aerosols."
[URL]https://www.winterwatch.net/2021/02/global-warming-industry-is-hiding-impending-cold-sun-dark-winter-phase/[/URL]
The biggest driver of the Earth's climate is the Sun, not carbon emissions. The Sun controls 99.5% of climate, not trace CO2.
Climatologists have also theorized that Sun-spot activity follows cyclical trends. Right now, Sun-spot activity is very diminished and diminishing. This will rapidly manifest as colder weather. Furthermore, historic cyclical temperature patterns indicate the Earth is on schedule for a 30-years cooling trend, which will likely include four extreme troughs with virtually no Sun-spot activity, or cold so extreme that it's as though your thermostat shuts down in the winter.
[URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/capital-weather-gang/wp/2018/04/26/global-temperatures-have-cooled-since-2016-heres-why-thats-normal/[/URL]
The current cooling episode is mostly the result of a reversal of waters in the Tropical Pacific, which can modulate global temperature. Since the Pacific Ocean is our largest global body of water, what it does makes a big difference on global climate. Temperature anomalies hit record peaks in 2016 but have been sliding since then.
So after pounding home that rising CO2 leads to rising temperatures, we see the "scientists" reach for straws when the data does not go their way. The climate is totally dependent on CO2 levels except for natural variability, aerosols, the Pacific Ocean, and this just in, the sun.
The irony is that I am using your data and your "scientists" excuses when the data does not go their way. What else is there to do but just personally attack me and get involved in partisan politics?
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2632094]Great post FL! So if the vaccine lived up to its 95% efficacy and seeing as how we are about 60% vaccinated, the number of cases should have gone from about 20 million to about 10 million. Furthermore, as people were vaccinated, the number of cases should have gone down in direct correlation to how many were vaccinated, I. E. Fewer cases in October than March. That did not happen.
And the most vaccinated countries in the world (Israel, Ireland, and Gibraltar) should have seen near complete eradication of the virus. Instead they have all dealt with new severe outbreaks requiring lockdowns.
So what did Fauci and the "scientists" do? The same thing the "scientists" who spoke of global warming did. They changed the name. For global warming, it was "scientists" changing the name to climate change when the earth quit heating up and here the focus was not on percent effectiveness with stopping new cases but preventing death and hospitalization. You are 11 X less likely to die if vaccinated they say.
I do not get that last part because if we have more deaths in 2021 and over half the population is vaccinated and the death rates are higher in 2021, the only way those numbers add up is if the unvaccinated had to deal with a virus like 11 X more potent right?.[/QUOTE]No bueno.
[URL]https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/covid-19-omicron-quarantine-variant/2021/11/30/id/1046827/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/peter-navarro-vaccine-mandates-covid-19-pandemic/2021/11/30/id/1046826/[/URL]
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2632718]Your "source" did not even list those countries, and your list contains a number of heavily vaccinated countries in Europe getting pounded with Covid right now.[/QUOTE][URL]https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations[/URL]
Seriously dude. I think most 3rd graders could figure out how to use the page. Here let me explain it so that even an 'Elvis' can understand it. You look at the chart. If you see a country is missing and you want to look at their information, you go down the list of countries and check the box and 'low and behold' it will mysteriously appear along with the data. I realize that is very complicated for someone from the 'Elvis School of Analysis'. It's a lot easier to just make up whatever you need to support your make-believe arguments.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2632718]No, you do not. You use "scientists" to advance your political agenda and ignore data when it does not suit you.
I am not going to get into a debate on global warming / climate change. [/QUOTE][B] All evidence to the contrary....given what follows [/B]
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2632718]What I will say is that the theory is that rising CO2 leads to higher temperatures. Again, just like if the vaccine worked, we would see a linear decline in cases. The same should go with CO2 and temperature, higher CO2 leads to higher temps but when the data does not fit, you see all the bullshit excuses.
[URL]https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/features/GISSTemperature/giss_temperature4.php[/URL]
Of greater concern to Hansen than global warming skeptics is the problem of global warming itself..[/QUOTE]Gee and foolish me. I thought you were only an expert on the Corona Virus and Epidemiology and Statistical Analysis. Little did I know you are an expert on Environmental Science too. Now if you could just learn to add and subtract and read. Maybe some of us would stop laughing at your hair-brained theories.
[QUOTE=Queens35;2632845]So is everybody getting their vaccines now that they will probably be required? It's not official yet, but the writing is on the wall, that's where this thing is heading.
If not, you're running out of places that don't require vaccines.
Would you quit the hobby over it?
Just curious about people's viewpoints on this.[/QUOTE]My viewpoint is that you do not need a vaccine; you only need a vaccine card. Besides, they have said that the vaccine does not do much for the new strain, so what is the point?
So you are telling people to purchase fake documents and break laws individual countries have enacted to try to safeguard their populations? I normally am on the same page as you but not this one. This isn't getting a fake drivers license on Khao San road, this is potential illness or worse, and not just for the individual breaking said laws.
As for "they" saying vaccines are ineffective against the new strain. Well I keep a fairly keen eye out for developments and so far the jury is out on that. It may well turn out to be true but so far it falls under "misinformation", in other words bullshit.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2632859]My viewpoint is that you do not need a vaccine; you only need a vaccine card. Besides, they have said that the vaccine does not do much for the new strain, so what is the point?[/QUOTE]Actually it may turn out that if your going to get COVID, then Omicron is the strain to get, as there are reports surfacing that the symptoms are very mild for those catching that strain. Yet it's all speculation right now, so saying the current vaccines don't work well against it, or what I just stated, is all pure conjecture at this point.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2632859]My viewpoint is that you do not need a vaccine; you only need a vaccine card. Besides, they have said that the vaccine does not do much for the new strain, so what is the point?[/QUOTE][URL]https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-biontech-boss-says-dont-freak-out-about-omicron-as-pfizer-vaccine-likely-to-protect-against-severe-disease-from-variant-12483481[/URL]
[QUOTE=Paulie97;2632179]"Rate of coronavirus (COVID-19) cases in the United States as of November 26,2021, by state (per 100,000 people). ".
[URL]https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109004/coronavirus-covid19-cases-rate-us-americans-by-state/[/URL]
Taking up the head, with few exceptions is your strong red states. Taking the up the tail with very few exceptions is your super leftist states. Has Fox, Newsmax, or any aspiring right wingnuts on Youtube told you this? Have they, or will they ever make you aware of this data? No they are only going to tell you about a few red states up north that are currently experiencing an expected surge due to cold weather and more indoor activity, while skipping the big picture which is most damning to them, their people, and their lies and slanted reporting. Anyway here's three screen shots showing the data. Yea masks, social distancing, and vaccines help a lot. Yes, compliance with the recommendations of virtually every contagious diseases specialist (not opthamologists) has born fruit. Now sing, dance, twist yourselves in knots. This discussion is over as far as I'm concerned.[/QUOTE]Screen Shot 2021-11-30 at 7. 02.36 PM. Jpg (126.9 KB).
This is from Worldometer. If you go there just click on the USA and then sort by cases by 1,000,000 persons to get a fair comparison. Guess what? Paulie was right and Elvis? Well Elvis is still in denial.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2632859]My viewpoint is that you do not need a vaccine; you only need a vaccine card. Besides, they have said that the vaccine does not do much for the new strain, so what is the point?[/QUOTE]Mr. E,
I respect your posts concerning the hobby on this board and others (Pattaya, Tijuana, etc.) but until you say that your an epidemiologist or have a background in genetic sequencing of viruses, IMHO, you should leave it to the experts. Those experts would not include you, me, or virtually anyone else on the board.
Actually, based on this Reuters report, vaccines are effective against the new Omicron strain based on early, preliminary results. And as others have pointed out, not one expert has said the vaccines are not effective. I haven't seen a report where any expert has made a claim. My suggestion to all. Keep a level head, get vaccinated, and enjoy the women of Medellin to the fullest, and let's leave the talk about vaccine effectiveness to people who actually know what they're talking about.
[URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/omicron-present-five-nine-south-170208276.html[/URL]
[QUOTE=SouthEaster;2632870]So you are telling people to purchase fake documents and break laws individual countries have enacted to try to safeguard their populations? I normally am on the same page as you but not this one. This isn't getting a fake drivers license on Khao San road, this is potential illness or worse, and not just for the individual breaking said laws.[/quote]Catch 22. Do you follow laws which have the propensity to change? Or do you do what you have to do? Reminds me when I interviewed for CIA officer and they asked a similar question. Well we all know all the things those guys do are not on the up and up, but are they to keep it to themselves? Are they to admit it to superiors? Are they going to hire someone that will straight up admit they will do what it takes, or someone that is adamant they will not go where the law does not allow?
[QUOTE=SouthEaster;2632870]As for "they" saying vaccines are ineffective against the new strain. Well I keep a fairly keen eye out for developments and so far the jury is out on that. It may well turn out to be true but so far it falls under "misinformation", in other words bullshit.[/QUOTE]Maybe you are overdue for lasik. Those keen eyes must have missed this one. Sure you do not have to believe me, but would you believe the boss of the vaccine company? Some thought he was full of shit the first time, but you are saying he is full of shit this time.
"The head of drugmaker Moderna (MRNA.O) said COVID-19 vaccines are unlikely to be as effective against the Omicron variant of the coronavirus"
[url]https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/moderna-ceo-says-vaccines-likely-less-effective-against-omicron-ft-2021-11-30/[/url]
[QUOTE=Surfer500;2632871]Actually it may turn out that if your going to get COVID, then Omicron is the strain to get, as there are reports surfacing that the symptoms are very mild for those catching that strain. Yet it's all speculation right now, so saying the current vaccines don't work well against it, or what I just stated, is all pure conjecture at this point.[/QUOTE]Yep.. The Moderna CEO should stop it with his conjecture.
[QUOTE=SouthEaster;2632870]So you are telling people to purchase fake documents and break laws individual countries have enacted to try to safeguard their populations? I normally am on the same page as you but not this one. This isn't getting a fake drivers license on Khao San road, this is potential illness or worse, and not just for the individual breaking said laws.
As for "they" saying vaccines are ineffective against the new strain. Well I keep a fairly keen eye out for developments and so far the jury is out on that. It may well turn out to be true but so far it falls under "misinformation", in other words bullshit.[/QUOTE]And it's because of bullshit like this that this thing is harder to beat because selfish people want to do whatever they want to, without regard to anybody else. They don't want to get vaccinated, and will engage in fraud to have their cake and eat it too. We need to get more and more vaccine into the developing world is what we need to do, and people need to stop trying to beat the system, and instead do the right things so that the world can get back to like before this scourge of COVID.
The vaccines / boosters are not working. I know double jabbed who got Covid. I got Covid and am unvaxxed. But guess what? I am not going to be ig sporting events or drinking with thousands of others.
Some odd balls running the risk of jail and more with fake certs are not Typhoid Marys. So far, Africa has done Ok without Yankee vaccines (sic). No one needs the USA and their comfort blankets. No one needs Big Pharma for shtt like this.
You want to feed the word with Big Pharma poison. What are you, a retro Coca Cola ad?
What happened to all those Indians who dies with Covid? That is so yesterday. Now we are on the Zulu variant.
Mr Entertainment is taking his road. I am stocking up on dried foods with long shelf lives to minimize shopping trips / mingling with vaxxed morons.
Soon it will be winter in my life. I am preparing everything, even P4 P bonking. Not easy but that is how the deck has been shuffled.
Travel and other rules are changing too much so I have to shop local. Not pleasant and not cheap (or good).
[QUOTE=TheCane;2632908]And it's because of bullshit like this that this thing is harder to beat because selfish people want to do whatever they want to, without regard to anybody else. They don't want to get vaccinated, and will engage in fraud to have their cake and eat it too. We need to get more and more vaccine into the developing world is what we need to do, and people need to stop trying to beat the system, and instead do the right things so that the world can get back to like before this scourge of COVID.[/QUOTE]