Angeles City

[QUOTE=Ekspat;2231517]No questions but thanks for the nice report! Reminds me a lot about my first times in AC (2005) and feeling like a kid in the candy store.

Well done bro![/QUOTE]Hey man,

You still in Japan? I'll be in Manila, AC, Subic, Sabang and Cebu in December. Shoot me a PM if you are coming to PI then.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2231830]The next time you're in A / see, and you hit the bars, sit with a couiple of mamasans and as them how much Asians, and more to the point Koreans, tip the girls. Then, do the same thing with a few of the girls at each bar. Then, when you've done that, ask them the same questions about white guys. I think you'll find a significant and reasonably consistent difference. White guys, at least in the almost 2 decades I've been here, think it's a big deal to give the girls a few hundred pesos. Koreans think nothing of tipping a couiple of thousand, or so I've been told.[/QUOTE]I've done that, except I only talked to the girls. I don't normally talk to the mamasans. But I've talked to many, many girls. That's one reason I like Angeles; they speak English here.

Are you comparing the Koreans to the White Ex-pats that live there? I think you need to compare the whole group, including the tourist.

Of course it's obvious that many of the top girls (i.e. girls who can be barfined every single day) are selective. Many only will go out with East Asians. But I disagree with the notion that the girls like the Koreans better because they tip more. The girls say that the Koreans tip the same as the White guys. Reading some of the posts from some members, some of the White guys on this forum tip very well. The girls do not say they like Koreans better because of the tips. They give some other reasons, such as culturally more similar, small dicks, etc. They also seem to enjoy that they go out with a large group and eat and drink.

Yes the Koreans make it rain; I think it's fun. But if you noticed the names on the wall who ring the bell, they are mostly non Asian names. I think ringing the bell is not worth it. I've done neither, but I would rather make it rain then ring the bell.

- I also talk to the waitresses. They are mostly moms with chubby bodies; and they are horny since they are not barfined much. They are paid below minimum wage; they rely on tips. So tip your waitress.
The waitresses say that the Koreans are the worst tippers. The best tippers are the Americans. Tied with the Americans, or a close second, are the Black guys. They say sometimes they are as cheap as the Koreans, in which they even take the coins, leaving no tip. But sometimes the Black guys are flashy and extremely generous.

[QUOTE=Chitown212;2230788]But I didn't see white people being rejected.

Indians get rejected a lot all over the world because they have a horrible reputation. White people routinely getting turned down seems like hype. There are a lot of Korean / Japanese / Chinese there now but I don't see that leading to white people getting routinely turned down. That sounds like sensationalism to me.[/QUOTE]If you are White, you will not be rejected if you to go bars like Lollipop or Q-Bar.

But if you go to Atlantis, or a small bar catering to Koreans, you will be rejected if you go for the popular girls. The popular girls can be very selective. Since many of them only want to do 1 barfine a day, they will chose their preference. It is definitely not young White guys with large dicks that can fuck the entire night.

I don't see many Indians there (I think many of dark skin guys are Malaysians). Many of the girls have never been with an Indian, but many of the girls will refuse to go with the Indians. They say because they smell. WTF! And I say, so you like how Korean men smell after a long night eating Korean BBQ with raw garlic and drinking soju? They just smile and laugh.

So if you're a White guy getting rejected by the cutest girls in Angeles, remember that it can be worst; you can be rejected by most of the girls.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2232310]If you are White, you will not be rejected if you to go bars like Lollipop or Q-Bar.

But if you go to Atlantis, or a small bar catering to Koreans, you will be rejected if you go for the popular girls. [/QUOTE]On my recent trip in August, I walked inside Lollipop and Q-Bar almost every single day and walked out in less than 30 seconds. You might ask why. And you probably know the answer.

I think all BMs here will unanimously agree that the cutest girls are in the bars that favor Asians.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2232301]I've done that, except I only talked to the girls. I don't normally talk to the mamasans. But I've talked to many, many girls.

The girls say that the Koreans tip the same as the White guys. Reading some of the posts from some members, some of the White guys on this forum tip very well. The girls do not say they like Koreans better because of the tips. They give some other reasons, such as culturally more similar, small dicks, etc. They also seem to enjoy that they go out with a large group and eat and drink.

Yes the Koreans make it rain; I think it's fun. But if you noticed the names on the wall who ring the bell, they are mostly non Asian names. I think ringing the bell is not worth it. I've done neither, but I would rather make it rain then ring the bell.

I also talk to the waitresses. They are mostly moms with chubby bodies; and they are horny since they are not barfined much. They are paid below minimum wage; they rely on tips. So tip your waitress.
The waitresses say that the Koreans are the worst tippers. The best tippers are the Americans. Tied with the Americans, or a close second, are the Black guys. They say sometimes they are as cheap as the Koreans, in which they even take the coins, leaving no tip. But sometimes the Black guys are flashy and extremely generous.[/QUOTE]This another often discussed topic on this forum. Bar girls will say things that you want to hear. They are smart enough to gauge Average Joe and tailor responses that will boost his self-worth (ego). And to make the contrast even stronger, they put down another community of mongers, who they know are probably most disliked by Average Joe.

Call it rain, call it ringing bells, call it ping pong balls or call it any other racket, its all amounts to one thing. Spending more money. And in that department the Asians seem to have their noses ahead. To the point where they are buying up bar after bar. Go further west on Perimeter Road all the way towards Friendship Terminal and see what Korea Town looks like.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2232316]Bar girls will say things that you want to hear. They are smart enough to gauge Average Joe and tailor responses that will boost his self-worth (ego). And to make the contrast even stronger, they put down another community of mongers, who they know are probably most disliked by Average Joe.[/QUOTE]Thank you for stating the obvious (for some of the people on this forum). A few years ago, some idiot on this board was saying that the girls hated the Koreans, and only went with them because of management. He said that's what the girls told him.

Many of the girls are not that smart. Some of the Joes are not that average.

Yes, you have to put everything together, all the inputs, over multiple girls, multiple years.

So do Koreans tip better?

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2232316]Call it rain, call it ringing bells, call it ping pong balls or call it any other racket, its all amounts to one thing. Spending more money. And in that department the Asians seem to have their noses ahead.[/QUOTE]NOT for ringing the bell. Koreans generally do not ring the bell. Look at the names on the walls. FYI: if you ring the bell and spend maybe between 4000 to 8000 pesos, you buy the girls a drink, and you get to put your name on the wall. After you ring the bell, the girls scream for about 5 seconds. That's it. Think it's a waste.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2232329]After you ring the bell, the girls scream for about 5 seconds. That's it. Think it's a waste.[/QUOTE]Oh, no question. Any random tipping in any manner, or blowing of money on girls who won't even know who bought the drink is a complete waste of precious mongering funds.

For the record, I have never indulged in any of these mindless activities. I go to a bar and scope it out in the first 30-60 seconds. If I like a girl I will sit and get myself a beer and call the girl over. If she comes over I will buy her a drink. Halfway through her drink I will ask her if she will barfine. If she says yes, drink #2 follows. Half way through drink #2 the interview happens. If she passes interview, I usually call the waitress and as for the bill along with a barfine charge. Bill arrives, I settle, tip the waitress and I am out.

Sometimes the girl will ask for a drink for her "sister" or "best friend" who has not got a single drink all evening. I agree to this only after the girl with me has agreed to barfine and I sense a chemistry developing. But never more than 1 extra drink. Only on very rare occasions I will buy the waitress or the mamasan a drink. I would rather tip them with cash in their hands.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2232335]I go to a bar and scope it out in the first 30-60 seconds. If I like a girl I will sit and get myself a beer and call the girl over. If she comes over I will buy her a drink. Halfway through her drink I will ask her if she will barfine. If she says yes, drink #2 follows. Half way through drink #2 the interview happens. If she passes interview, I usually call the waitress and as for the bill along with a barfine charge. Bill arrives, I settle, tip the waitress and I am out..[/QUOTE]I have a similar MO, Mr. B, except if I don't see what I like I ask the waitress or mamasan for the skinny, pretty girl with the big boobs. Invariably someone will present me with one or refer me to another place with those requirements or something close to it. Maybe a little chubbier which I don't mind if she's cute. No need to waste time and money if you don't see what you like. I just love the PI. So accommodating.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2232335]Oh, no question. Any random tipping in any manner, or blowing of money on girls who won't even know who bought the drink is a complete waste of precious mongering funds.

For the record, I have never indulged in any of these mindless activities. I go to a bar and scope it out in the first 30-60 seconds. If I like a girl I will sit and get myself a beer and call the girl over. If she comes over I will buy her a drink. Halfway through her drink I will ask her if she will barfine. If she says yes, drink #2 follows. Half way through drink #2 the interview happens. If she passes interview, I usually call the waitress and as for the bill along with a barfine charge. Bill arrives, I settle, tip the waitress and I am out.

Sometimes the girl will ask for a drink for her "sister" or "best friend" who has not got a single drink all evening. I agree to this only after the girl with me has agreed to barfine and I sense a chemistry developing. But never more than 1 extra drink. Only on very rare occasions I will buy the waitress or the mamasan a drink. I would rather tip them with cash in their hands.[/QUOTE]It is hard to prevent "drink creep" which occurs in the following manner. I buy a girl I like a drink, and she asks if I could buy one for her friend as well. Feeling generous, I agree. Then Mamasan wants in on the action, followed by the waitress. Then the next time I go to the bar, the girl expects a drink, as does her friend, the mamasan and the waitress. If I don't stop it, the friend invites another friend, etc and the drinks exponentially increase on each subsequent visit. It is hard to say "no" to a specific girl in an attempt to stop the spread, since I don't want that girl to think I rejected her specifically because she is unattractive.

Now I stick to your M. O. , only one drink for her friend, after we have decided to barfine. Then I say that I must be going (with the original girl), check please!

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2231292]More reasons why the girls prefer Asians.[/QUOTE]It has traditionally been said that the Filipina chicks want to marry White men and have White babies. Does this still hold true? Or would they rather marry Korean men and have Korean babies? Or is it that their preference for Korean men does not extend beyond P4P, and they would rather have White men in a "real-life" situation? Trying to worry about who will go with who and for what reasons is confusing the fuck out of me. This is like a damn soap opera.

I am glad that I don't have those kind of problems. I like whoever the fuck likes me and do not worry about who doesn't like me, who they like better, and why they like them better. That shit is pointless to me.

Plenty of girls to pull for everyone. No need to worry about who is getting what.

Monkeypaw invasion in the Philippines. This, however, was the highlight of my very first night, Sunday, in Walking Street Angeles City. This is not the Walking Street I remembered from previous visits. It sucks and there are potholes everywhere. More reports to come from AC. I've been lazy and haven't had time to finish up my Pattaya and Bangkok reports. Cheers to a seafood dinner under $11 bucks! The most exciting thing to happen Day 1.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2232381]It has traditionally been said that the Filipina chicks want to marry White men and have White babies. Does this still hold true? Or would they rather marry Korean men and have Korean babies? Or is it that their preference for Korean men does not extend beyond P4P, and they would rather have White men in a "real-life" situation? Trying to worry about who will go with who and for what reasons is confusing the fuck out of me. This is like a damn soap opera.

I am glad that I don't have those kind of problems. I like whoever the fuck likes me and do not worry about who doesn't like me, who they like better, and why they like them better. That shit is pointless to me.[/QUOTE]More power to you Mr E. I really like your style of living free and unencumbered by things around you.

Firstly, I want to segment the population here. This discussion is about bar girls in the Philippines. Not all Filipinas. I think the idea of Filipinas wanting to marry western men and make babies is still 100% true. And this is for a few reasons, IMHO.

1. It is usually a more elder gent who is likely to fall in this trap of finding true love and getting married. For the Filipina, this means the possibility of a perceived better life in a western country, maybe a foreign passport, maybe an inheritance when the geezer kicks the bucket.

2. The offspring produced with a white man's seed is generally more good looking (white) and hence has a better prospect of a privileged future in the Philippines itself. Think Pia Wurtzbach.

3. Western men are still perceived as being more responsible about the child they sire. This may be contrary to the truth. I am sure you have watched Fallen Angels.

4. Most of the Korean men who monger in Philippines are married and would never ever think of leaving their family for a Filipina bar girl. They come for fun, have fun and go back. And blow a lot of money in that process. It is the western man that gets emotionally involved with the Filipina bar girl. Because back home he has been treated badly by a 200 pound gorilla and not been laid for weeks or months or years sometimes. The girls know this. They may not know about the growing dominance of China on World Trade but they sure know a lot about monger psyche.

The biggest thing with Filipinas is that they are really good at lieing and no one should take what they say at face value. To say Koreans are popular because they are making it rain and small penis is just lazy.

Every Filipina I met talked shit about Filipino men to my face, yet most of them were knocked up by Filipinos and we all know the story of dumb White guys who support their Filipina only to learn she had a Filipino boyfriend on the side. It is the same thing in Thailand too.

We all have our perceptions based on our own experiences, but you have to be extra careful in the Fillipines because the girls are best in the world at telling you what you want to hear.

My own opinion is that there is a misalignment in Euro culture which seeks to win (Who do the girls like better? Whites or Asians? Who wins?) vs Island culture (Laid back. Not concerned about these things).

The Filipinas like most whoever is going to help them in the here and now. The main thing with them is to not do things they don't like which to me means don't act like an Indian LOL.

[QUOTE=GreenBud;2232301]I've done that, except I only talked to the girls. I don't normally talk to the mamasans. But I've talked to many, many girls. That's one reason I like Angeles; they speak English here.

Are you comparing the Koreans to the White Ex-pats that live there? I think you need to compare the whole group, including the tourist.

Of course it's obvious that many of the top girls (i.e. girls who can be barfined every single day) are selective. Many only will go out with East Asians. But I disagree with the notion that the girls like the Koreans better because they tip more. The girls say that the Koreans tip the same as the White guys. Reading some of the posts from some members, some of the White guys on this forum tip very well. The girls do not say they like Koreans better because of the tips. They give some other reasons, such as culturally more similar, small dicks, etc. They also seem to enjoy that they go out with a large group and eat and drink.

Yes the Koreans make it rain; I think it's fun. But if you noticed the names on the wall who ring the bell, they are mostly non Asian names. I think ringing the bell is not worth it. I've done neither, but I would rather make it rain then ring the bell.

- I also talk to the waitresses. They are mostly moms with chubby bodies; and they are horny since they are not barfined much. They are paid below minimum wage; they rely on tips. So tip your waitress.
The waitresses say that the Koreans are the worst tippers. The best tippers are the Americans. Tied with the Americans, or a close second, are the Black guys. They say sometimes they are as cheap as the Koreans, in which they even take the coins, leaving no tip. But sometimes the Black guys are flashy and extremely generous.[/QUOTE]Which country are most of the black guys from?

[QUOTE=Chitown212;2232581]Every Filipina I met talked shit about Filipino men to my face, yet most of them were knocked up by Filipinos and we all know the story of dumb White guys who support their Filipina only to learn she had a Filipino boyfriend on the side.[/QUOTE]A guy that I know said a buddy of his took a bike trip down to Samar. He was expecting to find a bunch of fine chicks, but all he saw was a bunch of young dudes pushing around baby carriages!