Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=Phordphan;1409283]I noticed a couple of years ago that the Thais have a lot more disposable income than in recent memory. Don't tell me things aren't booming.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report Mr. Phan. Very informative.

Bunky

[QUOTE=Dextro Sol;1409420]I am going to visit BKK again in the middle of may. I think its three years since I went mongering last time. I have been reading a lot about Star of light and I will visit this place for sure. Look at the picture from google street view, am I right if I presume that the bar stools belongs to .[/QUOTE]Yep, you got it. The video shows entering from the other side of the Soi but you got the right location.

[QUOTE=Marky1;1409339]A pub in the US, europe or australia is a place you hang around drunks and degenerates.[/QUOTE]Occasionally there is a post with such a ridiculously stupid statement that the poster has to be called to account.

Pubs around the world are not the places for degenerates and drunks (those are drinking meths under railway arches and in public parks)

Pubs in many cities, towns and villages are important social centres and where you may even pick up a FL.

[QUOTE=Traveler1234;1409501]Yep, you got it. The video shows entering from the other side of the Soi but you got the right location.[/QUOTE]Thank you Traveler, then I know exactly how to get there.

[QUOTE=RCA Knight;1409481](snip) but again she wanted to go ST upstairs and hurry down to get her second, maybe third round[/QUOTE]That is why I prefer to engage the girls on LT basis only. It avoids the time-pressure and "hurry up" attitude. Of course it is more expensive, but generally I get three pops out of one LT, so in the end I think it is worth it.

Ok guys, here is my opinion on this girl and after that each to their own. Was in Bangkok 1 month ago and staying close to soi 7. One evening she stopped me early enough maybe 8pm. Quoted what was on offer and the price. It was basically all covered BJ & sex. Could stay the night at her place if it was LT. Price 3000 baht. I didn't take up her offer but two days later I did. Price 3500 baht. Funny thing I just did not have a good feeling about it and I was right. Everything was an issue. Cock too big, she didn't like this, not comfortable with that. All bullshit. Finished me with an oily handjob. Left soon after although she did ask did I want to stay the night but I'm sure that would have cost more at some stage. For me a complete waste of money but not annoyed as I was kind of expecting thats what what it would be. Only satisfaction was telling her it would have cost ne a hell of a lot more in Moscow, not that she cared.

[QUOTE=Dr BJ;1409476]Interesting point about the price of wine here. People have explained that it is due to import tax. What I find confusing is that Whisky, for example, does not bear the same price increase but is also imported. For example a bottle of single malt Glenmorangie will cost around £25-30 in the U. K and can be bought for 1, 700 baht or £35 in food land. You have to expect an increase for sure. But a £5-7 bottle of Cabernet Sauvignon in the U. K can cost between 800-1000 baht and that is not even form a restaurant, which is more than double the price? Is the import tax on wine way higher than it is on Whisky.[/QUOTE]I have researched the matter a little. Taxes are identical be it pisslight wine or the strongest vodka. For import, the excixe calculation in itself is ridiculous (compounding of duty over duty) , amounts to about 300 percent. For domestic, it is also quite high, can't remember exactly, but that explains why beer is also relatively expensive. Since alchol consumption grows constantly, the governement uses the excuse of protecting public health whileraking up a shitload of money.

[QUOTE=Dr BJ; 1409476]Interesting point about the price of wine here. People have explained that it is due to import tax. What I find confusing is that Whisky, for example, does not bear the same price increase but is also imported. For example a bottle of single malt Glenmorangie will cost around £25-30 in the U. K and can be bought for 1, 700 baht or £35 in food land. You have to expect an increase for sure. But a £5-7 bottle of Cabernet Sauvignon in the U. K can cost between 800-1000 baht and that is not even form a restaurant, which is more than double the price? Is the import tax on wine way higher than it is on Whisky.

To add to the confusion import tariff's are normally used to protect domestic production. I know Thai Whisky exists but I have never come across Thai wine. Could this possibly be Thai logic raising it's distorted head yet again?

Regards,

BJ[/QUOTE]The tax on wine is an excise tax, Thai wines pay it as well. There is also an import duty on wine, but the main culprit for high prices is the excise tax. Imported beer has a very high duty. Beer is interesting here. Two of the richest men in Thailand are bev guys. Have had some friends look into staring a craft brewery here. Almost impossible with the tax structure. The least amount you can pay tax on is 1 million liters. At that point you can only sell what you brew on premise. You cannot bottle. Think Tawan Daeng or The Londoner. The tax then jumps to 10 million liters at which point you can bottle and sell. Most craft breweries in the US produce less than 5 million but more than 1 million per year. So they have essentially cut this out of the market.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1409486]First thing I noticed when I arrived 10 years a go was the old guys with the ugliest girls one could imagine. Same same today. LOL.[/QUOTE]That was not my experience Harold. In fact, when I arrived here over a decade ago there were very few dudes under 40 in most of the bars.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1409483]The type of girls mopping the floors 10 years ago are still mopping floors today. LOL.

There aint a whole of interest in these type of girsl at over 700 baht. LOL. You guys know that agogos were never full of hot chicks. Some hot, many ok, the rest floor moppers.

Bangkok rocks and it will for a long long time. It don't matter a whole lot if they building 80 new hi rises. LOL.

Its really hard to believe the issan education system in 10 years are suddenly providing capable issan girls for big industry. Them isan girls know its pussy time if they want to make it- and unfortunately very few actually make it- and of those that do, at what cost?[/QUOTE]Actually there is a huge demand for both skilled and unskilled workers in BKK and the rest of Thailand. Construction wages are climbing as Burmese are heading back to work in their own country which will boom soon enough. This is not the Thailand of 10 years ago, it is not even the Thailand of two years ago. The game has changed and so has the P4P scene. And it will continue to change.

[quote=dr bj; 1409476]to add to the confusion import tariff's are normally used to protect domestic production. i know thai whisky exists but i have never come across thai wine. could this possibly be thai logic raising it's distorted head yet again?

regards,

bj[/quote]there is a small thai wine industry.

believe it or not, there is a rather large vineyard just outside of pattaya. go figure. i had no idea decent grapes would grow here. we visited last year. unfortunately, there were no free tastings, as there are in napa, or paso robles. maybe that's changed now? in any case, i wasn't going to lay down $30 for a bottle of thai cabernet sauvignon. so, the excise certainly appears to apply to domestic production, too.

a teacher i used to know in the petchabun area says that there are wineries in that general area, too.

How much of the people are actually benefiting from it? Of course you're going to see many well to do Thais in fine establishments, but that's to be expected in a city of 12 million. I see too many people who should be enjoying their retirement, but instead, are pushing food carts in the sweltering heat, tell them the economy is booming. 1% unemployment sounds great, but like Mark Twain said, Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics. Many of those jobs are where people are making a pittance and includes too many security guards, car parkers, and ipad accessory sellers.

The other day, I was at Chesters and there were 20 employees and maybe 10 diners LOL, most just standing around twiddling their thumbs. I order the Salmon and rice set, and in a few minutes the food arrives by a "server" but they don't give me any silverware haha. 20 employees and they can't even clean the silverware in time! Got to love Thailand!

[QUOTE=Western787; 1408604]My worst experience was a tall blonde, aggressive girl. 2,3 minutes into fucking she was telling me to finish and closing her legs. Not liking her sex I offered her 1000 of the 2000 bar fine even though we just started fucking. Then she just slaps me hard without saying anything. Acting like it was too long and to pay her now.

My other bad experience, I was stupid. I picked up a freelancer in Pattaya with giant tits for 1000 baht to stay for awhile. Her middle was a train wreck so I offered her 500 to leave after 10 mins. She didn't want to and got very mad and slammed the door when I stuck to my guns.

Any advice on the best way to play this?[/QUOTE]Bad experiences are sometimes unavoidable. In both cases, you made a mistake of being too soft at the outset, and then hardening up just as the girl was convinced she can boss you around.

If I sense a genuinely bad attitude early enough, I *immediately* go into damage control mode, with the singular focus of getting them out of the room. Your first step should generally be to halt the session decisively, offering a very small token payment (100 to 200 baht). Offering 1000 baht (full ST fare for a Bangkok FL) or 500 baht (full ST fare for Pattaya) for their bad behavior which didn't even amount to ST, only encourages them to ask for more. If she's physically attacking you or breaking things, it shows that she has zero fear out of your physical reaction. While you should never hit a girl, you're 2 times bigger, and it shouldn't be too hard to give out the vibe convincing them that if they become physical it won't end pretty for them.

In the end, if she's obstinate, you can offer some more severance money (perhaps up to 500/1000), but only when it's clear that she's dressed and standing at the door when you pay her (and not if she was breaking things or hitting you).

I once had a freelancer from hell from Sukhumwit who had a bad attitude, and wouldn't settle for the 200 baht cancellation fee (we didn't have sex yet), and insisted on the full 1000 baht fare. We had an almost 40-minute long standoff in my room, but she remained stationary throughout (lots of various threats, though not much shouting)... and in the end I paid her. If she started getting aggressive or breaking things at any point, it was clear she would come out worse off, so she didn't try (despite all the verbal back-and-forth, mentioning police, pimps and all).

[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano; 1409722]How much of the people are actually benefiting from it? Of course you're going to see many well to do Thais in fine establishments, but that's to be expected in a city of 12 million. I see too many people who should be enjoying their retirement, but instead, are pushing food carts in the sweltering heat, tell them the economy is booming. 1% unemployment sounds great, but like Mark Twain said, Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics. Many of those jobs are where people are making a pittance and includes too many security guards, car parkers, and ipad accessory sellers.

The other day, I was at Chesters and there were 20 employees and maybe 10 diners LOL, most just standing around twiddling their thumbs. I order the Salmon and rice set, and in a few minutes the food arrives by a "server" but they don't give me any silverware haha. 20 employees and they can't even clean the silverware in time! Got to love Thailand![/QUOTE]Tony, I think lots of folks are benefiting from it and not just in BKK. Land prices are skyrocketing everywhere in Thailand. The price of farm land in Isaan has quadrupled in many places. Many "poor" farmers are finding some cash upon selling their land. All of these "menial" jobs are paying more and more and will continue to.

Yes, many places are overstaffed, but Thais are working and they are kept working for the most part during eco downturns, in contrast with the US where people are just laid off.