American Politics

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2539641]Whatever made people so desperate that they placed their hopes in Donald Trump is being ignored. And now, with Democrat control of both Congress and the Presidency, democracy is dead, censorship is being imposed on anything that deviates from The One Party narrative. Republicans being accused of fascism while the Democrats are actively practicing it.[/QUOTE]It's sometimes said that "nobody cries like the right. " No truer words have been spoken. GDreams was correct. You guys sucked at governing, lost the Congress, WH, and Senate so we set the agendas for a while. It's called democracy. See you are the midterms.

As to those putting faith in Trump, well bigotry is alive and well in the USA. Trump skipped the old dog whistle and brought out the bullhorn. That drew quite a crowd, and thanks to an unpopular candidate (Hillary) he squeaked into the WH. His base may not have everything they want but have what they need and more. They had travel money to go to DC, and all that were arrested that we know of either had a job or owned a business or was living off a spouse who did. They also were eager to tell us about their motives, to prevent certification of an election they believed was stolen.

Democrats are Fascists? Yea right, gender and racial equality, LGBTQ rights, expansion of voter rights and access, not to mention an economy that rates high on worldwide economic freedom scales and you are miles from Fascism, both in the goals and means of getting there.

[URL]https://www.heritage.org/index/country/unitedstates[/URL]#text=The%20 United%20 States'%20 economic%20 freedom, freest%20 in%20 the%202021%20 Index.

You have no clue what Fascism is, even as to the very foundation and fundamentals found in the historic thought and policies of Mussolini and Hitler, and are only sore because Amazon shutdown Parler for ignoring calls to violence including that to lynch the VP. Go back to the Medellin thread and tell us more about the hole in the wall secret night clubs you are finding in Centro. That's far more your forte.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2539908]Those people worked out that Trump was a self serving con man. The reason there is a one party narrative now is that Republicans did a very bad job of governing when they were given the opportunity. Democracy is dead? You mean you didn't like the outcome just like Canada. You guys spent the last 4 years saying elections have consequences well poor governing and poor governance has consequences as well. But as democracy is not dead (unless Republican states Gerrymander and voter suppress it away) there will be another opportunity in 2 years to have your say!

Canada is a fascist as he does not respect the democratic process that the party that wins sets the agenda.[/QUOTE]Assuming the election wasn't manipulated it's a great example of the fact that even the best president can lose an election when the majority of voters are a bunch of brainwashed morons. Because there's no doubt that the US population is subjected to a large propaganda campaign from social media (YouTube, Facebook, Twitter) to media (CNN, WP, NYT) and Hollywood. Kim Jong-Un is jealous of the Democrats.

Trump is the only US president worthy of the Nobel Peace price in the 21th century.

The Democrats won the presidency after an election riddled by election fraud allegations, small marginals and several days of vote counting. The senate ended 50-50 after a shady re-election in Georgia.

In such circumstances it would be appropriate to tread carefully, not to deprive tens of thousands of Americans their livelihood. You sound like the leaders in GDR, they also had a fetish of calling their political opponents fascists.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2539390]Yet earlier you said. "Which border? Mexico border to allow Mexican and South American cheap, unskilled labor to take jobs away from Americans and to further lower wages for Americans."

So which is it? 1. Is it the shitty job like picking vegetables and fruit or manning a chicken / pork / beef breakdown line or another type of low level, menial task that Americans are lining up to fill? 2. Is it the shitty job like picking vegetables and fruit or another type of low level, menial task that brown people from SOTB are lining up to fill?

Americans won't do those menial jobs so Latinos do them. If it weren't for them the US would have precious little food.[/QUOTE]BS, there are no jobs Americans wouldn't do for a fair pay.

It's funny how you support "lohndumping" on the cost of working class Americans. I'm sure that's an election winner.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2539600]Its pretty usual for the incoming president to fire all the outgoing presidents political appointees. The are hardly ordinary.

Harmed relationships in the middle east? You mean opening a dialogue with Iran to bring a close on Trumps failed policies? Exposing MBS to the truth of his actions? Stopping arms sales to the supporters of ISIS and Al Qaeda? You know MBS behaves in almost the exact manner of Saddam Hussein don't you! You think that's going to turn out well once he is in full control?[/QUOTE]Trump had the best policies when it comes to the Middle East, Biden on the other hand is so incompetent that he can't stop himself from killing tens of thousands of jobs for regular Americans. I feel for the American people, I truly do pray for the innocent Americans affected by the catastrophe called Joe Biden.

You've demonstrated your ignorance several times before when it comes to the Middle East and this time isn't any exemption.

Iraqi Christians, even Shias and Kurds admit that the country was better off under Saddam Hussein. USA and UK have already admitted that they had no good reason to topple Saddam.

It's not good policy to let Iran carry out terror attack after terror attack unchecked and unpunished. You're aware the the Iranians hates the west? You're aware that Iran is a problem with or without nuclear weapons and that giving them funds to increase their military spending is a big fat own-goal?

Come back when you understand the Middle Eastern mentality and history, especially the history between Saudi and Iran.

MBS is extremely well liked among young Saudis for modernizing the country. Please show the alternative to MBS and the royal family, the Wahhabi leaders? LOL! Saudi would be bombed by the US, Uk and Eu five seconds later. MBS is not in good standing when it comes to Saudi conservatives.

Anyways, you should stop supporting Irani terrorism and start supporting the Irani people. Iran needs to stop bombing Yemen and Saudi Arabia. Not to mention Lebanon and Iraq. Not to mention Iran's genocide against Sunnis in Syria. Al Qaida and Isis would never have grown so strong if it weren't for Iran and Hezbollah trying to eradicate Sunnis from Iraq and Syria. We are tired of Iran sending spies to the EU to murder political dissidents and steal industrial secrets.

Islamic fundamentalists are in general the (second) most powerful force in Middle Eastern countries, so when the regime falls the Islamists are first in line to seize power.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2540170]USA and UK have already admitted that they had no good reason to topple Saddam.[/QUOTE]We attacked Iran because of lies perpetuated by George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Colin Powell and other Republican party leaders.

Good that most are out of power now.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2539908]Those people worked out that Trump was a self serving con man. The reason there is a one party narrative now is that Republicans did a very bad job of governing when they were given the opportunity. Democracy is dead? You mean you didn't like the outcome just like Canada. You guys spent the last 4 years saying elections have consequences well poor governing and poor governance has consequences as well. But as democracy is not dead (unless Republican states Gerrymander and voter suppress it away) there will be another opportunity in 2 years to have your say!

Canada is a fascist as he does not respect the democratic process that the party that wins sets the agenda.[/QUOTE]This is liable to be too much for you to take in. Sure, the Dem ticket won, but what kind of democracy is it when the electorate is faced with the choice of Joe Biden or Donald Freaking Trump forced on it by a corrupt two party duopoly?

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2540161]BS, there are no jobs Americans wouldn't do for a fair pay.

It's funny how you support "lohndumping" on the cost of working class Americans. I'm sure that's an election winner.[/QUOTE]"There are no jobs Americans wouldn't do for a fair pay." Well, duh.

But few Americans would be able to afford a tomato, a head of lettuce, an apple or a chicken if fair wages were paid to the people doing the picking or cutting.

That's the problem with you Republicants. You use the "immigrants are stealing our jobs" argument to ban immigrants then argue that Americans would do these jobs if the pay was better but argue against raising the minimum wage.

But NO, Americans will not do those jobs. The work is too damned hard. I'll bet YOU never picked lettuce or cabbage or strawberries, did you? Day after day in the hot sun? Of course not. The work is too hard. Why else are "the trades" in most cities begging for apprentices? The work is too hard and / or dirty, that's why.

[QUOTE=ScatManDoo;2540243]We attacked Iran because of lies perpetuated by George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Colin Powell and other Republican party leaders.

Good that most are out of power now.[/QUOTE]I had written Iraq.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2540337]That's the problem with you Republicants. You use the "immigrants are stealing our jobs" argument to ban immigrants then argue that Americans would do these jobs if the pay was better but argue against raising the minimum wage.[/QUOTE]You nailed it! Spot on! Another BS talking point, were Republicans, just continue to talk in circles.

Next up on out of the Republican playbook, is how Democrats should be tackling and managing the deficit, not handing out 1. 9 trillion COVID relief checks, despite it being a bill that over 70% of Americans are in favor.

But apparently it was OK, when Republicans, ran up the deficit and spent freely under their previous administration, when they give trillions in corporate welfare and tax cuts under "Agent Orange" and billions in corporate welfare bailouts, dating back to financial collapse of 2008 under President Bush, which ultimately began the a new era of capitalism, "zombie capitalism".

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2540170]Trump had the best policies when it comes to the Middle East, Biden on the other hand is so incompetent that he can't stop himself from killing tens of thousands of jobs for regular Americans. I feel for the American people, I truly do pray for the innocent Americans affected by the catastrophe called Joe Biden.

You've demonstrated your ignorance several times before when it comes to the Middle East and this time isn't any exemption.[/QUOTE]I have just as much knowledge and understanding as you have just a different outlook. I believe the solution to the middle east is to stop giving a shit about them. I think the Arabs are just as bad as the Iranians who are just as bad as the Israelis. I have no problem at all with them having their all out wars into eternity. Maybe one day when they inflict enough suffering on each other they will work out that living in peace is better.

The issue is the world has become too reliant on them because of oil. We have an opportunity in the next couple of decades to fix that with electrification of transport. Get rid of this vast revenue stream and let them all go back to riding and fucking camels and the world will be a much better place.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2540300]This is liable to be too much for you to take in. Sure, the Dem ticket won, but what kind of democracy is it when the electorate is faced with the choice of Joe Biden or Donald Freaking Trump forced on it by a corrupt two party duopoly?[/QUOTE]You get that from Gerrymandering and voter suppression. The people being elected don't face consequences so they act in their partisan interests not the peoples interests. Fix that and both the right and left will come back to the center.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2540159]Assuming the election wasn't manipulated it's a great example of the fact that even the best president can lose an election when the majority of voters are a bunch of brainwashed morons. Because there's no doubt that the US population is subjected to a large propaganda campaign from social media (YouTube, Facebook, Twitter) to media (CNN, WP, NYT) and Hollywood. Kim Jong-Un is jealous of the Democrats.

Trump is the only US president worthy of the Nobel Peace price in the 21th century.

The Democrats won the presidency after an election riddled by election fraud allegations, small marginals and several days of vote counting. The senate ended 50-50 after a shady re-election in Georgia.

In such circumstances it would be appropriate to tread carefully, not to deprive tens of thousands of Americans their livelihood. You sound like the leaders in GDR, they also had a fetish of calling their political opponents fascists.[/QUOTE]What's wrong with the North Korean dictator? Trump "fell in love" with that fella, remember?

Also, Nobel Prize? Why would you want anything from those Marxists?

But listen, that doesn't even matter. What matters is that you seem to not quite understand how things work.

For one thing, Democrats don't have monopoly on the news.

You don't like CNN and MSNBC, and that's cool, but you have FOX, OAN, Newsmax, you have Sinclair (in case you don't know, a conservative local station behemoth covering 40% of the US households}; you've got conservative radio shows (whereas liberal radio shows don't even exist). And your attacking Facebook and Twitter is actually quite funny because if it weren't for Facebook and Twitter, your man would never have become President in 2016.

2. A fraud allegation is not a fraud.

3. Several days of vote counting is perfectly normal in a democracy.

4. The Senate ended up 50-50 because the incessant and false Trump's propaganda convinced REPUBLICAN voters to stay away. You need to thank the Supreme Leader, Trump, not Kim, that Dems flipped the Senate.

5. The last, but not the least is this: the majority of "brainwashed morons" aren't Martians. They are your fellow Americans. And you must respect their choice just like they respected your choice 5 years ago.

6. Leaders of GDR had all the reasons in the world to call their Western counterparts fascists because many of them were former fascists (Nazis). Although, they probably shouldn't have since many of them were former Nazis themselves, LOL.

But calling your comrades fascists is not out of whack. Who loves strong armed leaders, who doesn't believe in democracy, who doesn't like "bad hombres"? I mean not every Trump supporter is a fascist, but are there fascists in America who wouldn't be Trump's supporters? I doubt it.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2540577]What's wrong with the North Korean dictator? Trump "fell in love" with that fella, remember?

Also, Nobel Prize? Why would you want anything from those Marxists?

But listen, that doesn't even matter. What matters is that you seem to not quite understand how things work.

For one thing, Democrats don't have monopoly on the news.

You don't like CNN and MSNBC, and that's cool, but you have FOX, OAN, Newsmax, you have Sinclair (in case you don't know, a conservative local station behemoth covering 40% of the US households}; you've got conservative radio shows (whereas liberal radio shows don't even exist). And your attacking Facebook and Twitter is actually quite funny because if it weren't for Facebook and Twitter, your man would never have become President in 2016.

2. A fraud allegation is not a fraud.

3. Several days of vote counting is perfectly normal in a democracy..[/QUOTE]Unlike your ridiculous claim about Trump falling in love with Kim Jong Un, it's actually true that Obama and Biden betrayed their country for their love of the ayatollah in Iran and Castro on Cuba. Not to mention how Obama adored Erdogan and spoke about how he received good advice for "how to raise his daughters". It's hilarious since Erdogan have publicly claimed that women belong in the kitchen.

So much BS, it's the Democrats who are looking to control every aspect of people's lives, just look at the lockdowns. The Democrats biggest sponsors are censoring and blocking people on social media. It was the Democrats who adored Andrew Cuomo, leave no doubt that the Democrats and the liberal media would have loved Donald Trump if they had him on their side.

"Jim Crow in a suit," is exactly what it is. No excuse mail in voting has been in place in Georgia since 2005, but Republicans there seek to eliminate it, along with drop boxes and Sunday voting, all of which benefit people of color. And this all under the guise of "election integrity" even though the governor and secretary of state have confirmed that the recent elections were secure. Not to mention the upwards of 50 court cases that flopped even to the Supreme Court seeking to overturn the will of the people. Such powerplays are of course fundamentally undemocratic and unAmerican to the very core.

[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/mar/14/stacey-abrams-georgia-bill-restrict-voting-rights[/URL]

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2540586] it's actually true that Obama and Biden betrayed their country for their love of the ayatollah in Iran and Castro on Cuba. [/QUOTE]More nonsense. US policy regarding Cuba has been a failure for 60 years. So how was it a betrayal to improve relations with Cuba compared to Vietnam, Russia, China, or dozens of other countries the US has been in conflict with? What dastardly events occurred? Nothing! Wow what a betrayal. Cubans got some benefit from trade and tourism, what a catastrophe! Iran suspended their nuclear enrichment programs and opened up their facilities for inspectors. Lets all quake at the knees at such betrayal. How has Trump's strongarming turned out? Yep total failure.