Sosua Reports

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1676626]Yes, and no it aint going to happen. Endure, I mean enjoy your day.[/QUOTE]I enjoy your posts.

In fact I check online every hour so I don't miss a single one of them.

I'm a follower of yours all the way man!

I'm still dying to meet you in person and shake your hand, maybe even get your autograph or some other momento from you.

Don't let anybody down here, the forum members would be severally handicapped without all your guidance and wisdom in the ways our minds and the minds of the Chicas work in Sosua without your posts.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1676215]I have always suspected that mongers who treat the chicas bad have sexual problems and deliberately try to give the chicas a bad attitude to mess it up for other mongers.[/QUOTE]You keep posting like that and you just might make the cut at the next Sigmund Freud auditions or find yourself requiring therapy when things go bad for you with women. Blaming mongers you don't know for every chica having a bad attitude. Enough women cop bad attitudes. Especially when they can't or don't get their way, like children. For the most part they are trying to manipulate you, get you to feel guilty, to comply, or use that as a smokescreen to get over on you. dont you realize enough women do that?

Like the chicas begging for pesos, beer and other shit. Or ordering beer from another table and trying to get a dude to pay for it. Guy refuses, chica cops attitude. Withholds sex, or whatever she thinks will get under a dudes skin. Cops an attitude if a dude wont repeat or take her right then. Stop blaming men for womens issues / feelings. Every woman aint a victim just because some dude didn't allow her to have her way. No need for you to respond, especially if you are on restricted response mode. Wouldn't want you to disappoint the rest of the gang. But all the lurkers reading who get it, know where I'm coming from.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1676333]Now is your issue poor reading comprehension or a bad memory too? Or both? What exactly does inviting a chica consist of in your mind? Last time I recalled, briefly bumping into chica out in public twice is not inviting a chica for an interview. Other than that, I see in your own special way you got the point. I don't care how you got it. Just that you got it. The haterade in this forum is understood. Carry on.[/QUOTE]Unless you are lying to us, after those two "bumps" you then invited her to meet you at Rocky"s after which you then decided not to take her. You described her attitude as less than enthusiastic, and I tried to explain to you why she may have developed that attitude.

I'll add the poor reading comprehension, bad memory, to ignorant, lying, delusional and all the other insults you have thrown my way, and still wish you Happy Mongering.

Remember, we're here to help you!

[QUOTE=Oakie;1676682]Unless you are lying to us, after those two "bumps" you then invited her to meet you at Rocky"s after which you then decided not to take her. You described her attitude as less than enthusiastic, and I tried to explain to you why she may have developed that attitude.

I'll add the poor reading comprehension, bad memory, to ignorant, lying, delusional and all the other insults you have thrown my way, and still wish you Happy Mongering.

Remember, we're here to help you![/QUOTE]This is what I wrote my challenged friend:

"It was then that I focused on what I detected as her having an air of attitude. And seemed impatient as I was trying to get some details straight before taking her back to my spot. It was like she didn't want the interview process to continue, just that her and I get out of there and make it to where she may have more leverage in giving a dude a problem.

During my interview I wanted to get it clear if her BJ was bareback or covered. She indicated covered. Her answer was as if she wanted to anticipate what I wanted. I told her that won't work for me, and was ready to abort. She quickly regrouped and claimed it was no problem.

Well, I've been there, done that. Many chicas will say anything just to get you to take them. And then flip the script, in your spot. The last thing a dude needs is to allow a chica in your spot and then realize you and her are at odds with each other over services and compensation. I knew her1st response, and that's the response I believed. I eventually terminated my interview because I didn't like her vibe, her attitude, and didn't think I have the chemistry I need to enjoy her. So I aborted. She didn't like it, and probably was quite surprised that I sent her on way because she was fine. Cute face, round ass, nice body overall. But all that didn't phase me. Sticking to what I want is / was more important. Multiply this by dozens of chicas over 4 months. ".

My post clearly indicated several factors that lead to me not taking that chica. YOU ASSume she copped an attitude because she had three meetings / interviews and got rejected. Ask yourself this question. Why would the chica have an attitude towards me before she was even rejected? Since I was there, the truth was, she is a hustler. The type that tries to get a guy to rush. The purpose for rushing is because she is not a good provider and doesn't intend to be. And I further revealed that when I reported that a friend of mine told me he just had the same girl at his own spot. As I recall, she asked for payment upfront, and she had a problem fully disrobing. There might have been other things he mentioned but don't recall. Either way, his intel spoke volumes of what I could have been in for dealing with that chica.

So I hate to break it to you buddy. But your Freudian assessment of why she may have an attitude was deeper than her having multiple meetings bearing no fruit. You only covered the surface potential. You wish that were the reason because you are sick like that. Her having an attitude is more likely because her con game didn't work. Like I said before. Chicas acting like children when their schemes don't work, or they don't get their way. So they try to manipulate you with attitude. Call you names, like cheapy, or say you are a bullshitter. All manipulative tactics. In addition, she claimed her BJ was covered, so why the fuck should a guy not abort if that is not what he is interested in, and she's got a bad vibe to boot?

So no I am not lying or delusional. You and a select few can't freaking read when you got blinders on, and all of this hatorade going on. And then try to twist details to make something stick. But don't fret, that's why I'm here to straighten all of that dumb manipulative shit out. Your playing the victim role. It's cute but not effective. Or maybe you are trying to gain sympathy from your comrades? Like I said before, I don't initiate, I reciprocate. If you would have kept it impersonal things would be different. But since you went personal, now you have to deal with it.

[QUOTE=Cerebro;1676561]Tempoecorto, I made a mistake. The trip I made were the Laguna Gri Gri is located is Rio San Juan not to Nagua.[/QUOTE]Not a problem at all. Surfer500 had already alerted me about my mistake. The guagua experience is nothing new to me, indeed I very much enjoy the full immersion with friendly people around but the ramshackle high speed carritos might be a safety hazard at high speed, my only issue.

Last July, I came back from Las Terrenas in my rented car and was wowed by the vast stretches of coconut lined empty (of people) beaches around Nagua so I may try the Lagoon to beach by boat experience if I go to the DR next month and if I have the time as I may go to Sosua / Pto Pta merely for a day or two. Much appreciated your kindness.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1676622]My emphasis or whole argument as you put it, is not focused on a chica being a business person or an entrepreneur. My primary focus is that a man is not obligated to take her just because the chica spent time with the dude, danced or flirted with him, and therefore she is not automatically owed monetary compensation. Her being a business person or an entrepreneur is beside the point. I'm saying any woman around a dude in a club is not automatically owed compensation, especially monetary. She invested her time (invited or not), potentially hoping to get something out of it. If it didn't work out, so be it. She is the one that needs to discern how her time is invested, not the man.

[/QUOTE]I am sure that this applies very well in clubs in the US, but when you travel to a foreign country and seek out places where prostitutes congregate looking for customers, what you will tend to find is prostitutes looking for customers, i.e. women who are present in the club for a specific purpose which is not leisure--they are there to exchange sex with tourists for money.

Since you are in the relatively privileged position of being a tourist on vacation (or retired) who probably has plenty of spare income to spend on entertainment after your basic needs and those of your dependents are met and these girls are probably impoverished and uneducated, and just trying to raise funds for their family's next meal or a school uniform or medicine for their child, the concept of noblesse oblige comes into play.

Yes, you are going into a prostitution environment where many of the rules of what constitutes socially acceptable behavior are by definition suspended, and you will almost certainly meet some women who are scammers, thieves, addicts, deceivers, con-artists, dishonest, and so on--but THAT is THEIR problem and they will have to deal with it, and it is YOUR responsibility to be alert to the fact that you may get swindled or cheated and to take precautions to safeguard your interests.

However this does not mean that you should suspend the same basic courtesy and consideration that would apply to anyone who comes into your life to provide personal services, whether they be your doctor, waitress, house cleaner, manicurist, or cock sucker, otherwise you will just be descending to their level and you will be no better than them.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1676707]This is what I wrote my challenged friend:

"It was then that I focused on what I detected as her having an air of attitude.[/QUOTE]Why not tell us what happened before "It was then......"

Like the two previous meetings with her?

Or does that part quite not fit in with your story. :)

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1676707]It was like she didn't want the interview process to continue, just that her and I get out of there and make it to where she may have more leverage in giving a dude a problem.

During my interview I wanted to get it clear if her BJ was bareback or covered. She indicated covered. Her answer was as if she wanted to anticipate what I wanted. I told her that won't work for me, and was ready to abort. She quickly regrouped and claimed it was no problem.

Well, I've been there, done that. Many chicas will say anything just to get you to take them. And then flip the script, in your spot. The last thing a dude needs is to allow a chica in your spot and then realize you and her are at odds with each other over services and compensation. [/QUOTE]You say you don't regard the chicas as being in business, but the language you use shows that you regard all this as a business transaction. Things like "the interview process" and "services and compensation". In my view if these things have to be negotiated in such a businesslike way, then here probably isn't much chemistry there in the first place. It is better to act like it is a mutually passionate encounter at first with the money aspect of it as a side issue. Once you have got her juices flowing the level of service will automatically improve.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1676747]You say you don't regard the chicas as being in business, but the language you use shows that you regard all this as a business transaction. Things like "the interview process" and "services and compensation". In my view if these things have to be negotiated in such a businesslike way, then here probably isn't much chemistry there in the first place. It is better to act like it is a mutually passionate encounter at first with the money aspect of it as a side issue. Once you have got her juices flowing the level of service will automatically improve.[/QUOTE]Believe me you have to tell these chicas what you want. I have been in and witness many cases where the chemistry was good and things turn once the bedroom door closed. Some of those chicas want something for nothing. Those "Sauve papi" and "papi leche" chicas kill me with that bullshit.

[QUOTE=Rahsta;1676780] Some of those chicas want something for nothing. Those "Sauve papi" and "papi leche" chicas kill me with that bullshit.[/QUOTE]Well, there are a few possibilities in this situation:

1. The chicas are trying to avoid having sex by putting you off your stroke with pleas to finish up prematurely so that they can make more money more quickly without any effort to please you or earn their compensation.

2. You are being rough or causing pain or discomfort to the chica in some way and that is why she wants to finish up.

"Suave papi" actually means "gently, papi". "Papi leche" could mean that they are trying to excite you to help you finish, or it could mean that you have been going on too long and are causing discomfort, or it could mean that they want to get it over with. The two phrases seem to contradict each other a bit as the final phase leading up to orgasm would typically be more passionate than gentle.

Either way you might as well cut your losses, because once the sexual encounter deteriorates to her asking you to be more gentle, or wanting to get it over with, it isn't going to be very good sexual encounter anyway. Some women are multiorgasmic and want to repeat, but others feel sensitive once they come once and then they want to stop.

I am not sure that you CAN prenegotiate good sex, but even if you can lay down some ground rules, once it goes bad it is hard to ever get it going good again.

Without having an actual video recording of your sexual technique, it would be difficult to know which is more often the case.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1676747]You say you don't regard the chicas as being in business, but the language you use shows that you regard all this as a business transaction. Things like "the interview process" and "services and compensation". In my view if these things have to be negotiated in such a businesslike way, then here probably isn't much chemistry there in the first place. It is better to act like it is a mutually passionate encounter at first with the money aspect of it as a side issue. Once you have got her juices flowing the level of service will automatically improve.[/QUOTE]Wrong again Frannie. I never said I don't regard the chicas as being in business. You assumed that's what you assimilated. I was trying to tell you that the emphasis of my message / argument was not focused soley on chicas being in business or entreprenuers. In other words, it plays a part but its not my whole argument like you said. You claiming I said I don't regard chicas being in business is a fallacy.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1676654]
I'm still dying to meet you in person and shake your hand, maybe even get your autograph or some other momento from you.
[/QUOTE]Good luck! Clowns like him are only powerful through typing. And a waste of time meeting in person.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1676789]Well, there are a few possibilities in this situation:

1. The chicas are trying to avoid having sex by putting you off your stroke with pleas to finish up prematurely so that they can make more money more quickly without any effort to please you or earn their compensation.

2. You are being rough or causing pain or discomfort to the chica in some way and that is why she wants to finish up.

"Suave papi" actually means "gently, papi". "Papi leche" could mean that they are trying to excite you to help you finish, or it could mean that you have been going on too long and are causing discomfort, or it could mean that they want to get it over with. The two phrases seem to contradict each other a bit as the final phase leading up to orgasm would typically be more passionate than gentle.

Either way you might as well cut your losses, because once the sexual encounter deteriorates to her asking you to be more gentle, or wanting to get it over with, it isn't going to be very good sexual encounter anyway. Some women are multiorgasmic and want to repeat, but others feel sensitive once they come once and then they want to stop.

I am not sure that you CAN prenegotiate good sex, but even if you can lay down some ground rules, once it goes bad it is hard to ever get it going good again.

Without having an actual video recording of your sexual technique, it would be difficult to know which is more often the case.[/QUOTE]Most chicas that say suave papi to me do it just before I enter her or after my first 2 or 3 strokes.

Chicas say papi leche to me after the first 3 or 5 strokes. Don't forget the starfish chicas they are the worst. Starfish only happen to me two times, but the others happen to me a few times.

Believe me, its not me. The chicas pull that same bullshit to my wingmen and other guys I know. Shit like that doesn't happen to me in Rio and Costa Rica. The chicas have alot to do with it. Please beleive.

[QUOTE=Rahsta;1672115]Thats a damn shame when a guy has to get that personal with these chicas. Only in DR.[/QUOTE]What is wrong with this guy? Do you want to go to WAR with everyone. Jackson, please create a thread and only allow him to post there. This guy is the village idiot for sure! Are you sure you aren't Sarah Palin??

RR.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1676714]I am sure that this applies very well in clubs in the US, but when you travel to a foreign country and seek out places where prostitutes congregate looking for customers, what you will tend to find is prostitutes looking for customers, i.e. women who are present in the club for a specific purpose which is not leisure--they are there to exchange sex with tourists for money.[/QUOTE]One important detail. The women arent exchanging sex with tourists for money, IN THE CLUB. They are there to have the opportunity to exchange sex for money.

But it's not done at the club. Therefore if a woman is trying to exchange something else (dancing with / flirting with / being felt up) with a tourist for money, she better consider making sure her potential client knows hes being charged and what is the cost. Not too many guys are going to accept some chick busting out with a verbal bill for her company. I can imagine going to one of the wholesale clubs where they have venders set up in the isles offering customers samples of food items. And then after the customer tastes and enjoys the item, tell them they have to pay for the sample they just had. Let me reiterate, a chica is not automatically owed monetary compensation because she wasted her time on a dude that decided not to take her. If she was there drinking or eating at some dudes expense, she definitely isn't owed any money.

[QUOTE]However this does not mean that you should suspend the same basic courtesy and consideration that would apply to anyone who comes into your life to provide personal services, whether they be your doctor, waitress, house cleaner, manicurist, or cock sucker, otherwise you will just be descending to their level and you will be no better than them.[/QUOTE]Suspending basic courtesy and consideration? Care to explain what that means to you and how you applied it, in regards to mongers and chicas? And while you are at it, you made a statement that requires an explanation. And just because you said it doesn't make it so. It needs reasons to support it. But what do you mean by descending to their level? Level in regards to what?