Bangkok Reports

[quote=tony hoeprano; 1414230]i don't agree with your assessment on western women! the only difference is asian women tend not to be nearly as fat and ugly, but as far as being cold and arrogant, i don't think there's any difference between the two groups. on a brief visit back to my home, i was exiting walgreen's and a black lady smiled and complimented me on my shirt. how often does one get that in non p4p venues in thailand? i'll tell you what fella, try a little experiment and attend a classy joint void of any p4p overtones, go up to high class girls (hell they can be middle class too) and say"hi i like you. you lub me? want come my loom?" and tell me how warm and welcoming thai girls are hahaha.

on a different note, i was in the silom area the other day decided grab a bite to eat at carl's jr. i thought this was the strangest place in all of bkk to put a burger joint in the middle of a little tokyo rld, but whatever. lol the ideal spot to sit is at the window in front and you can look at the hustle and bustle outside, and of course see the girls with their new boyfriend in tow, many nice girls here, does anyone know the price? i finish eating a carl's catch fish sandwich (highly recommended!) and decide to get a blowjob at star of light nearby, which had some excellent review. i find it and there's a few girls outside, very average looking (to put it kindly) and i open the door and walk in and was met by an awful smell, holy shit it was putrid! the room was decrepit and there was a cum bucket on the floor nearby. i peeked around the corner and some very average looking girls sitting on the couch with a blanket, they said you want blow job? it was grimy as hell and made a nana short time room look like the bellagio in las vegas hahaha. i said, no thanks and left.[/quote]you should have tried! its not a resort, they are not all beauties, but the girls definitely know their job and that on a world class level.

mike

[QUOTE=Goatscrot; 1414234]Yes, the women over here are far prettier, but they take materialism to an entirely new level. They only "warm" up when they think it will get them somewhere, and it is not just us Farangs that have to deal with this. The Thais dudes do as well.

In the West you will find a woman who will contribute more than her snatch to the relationship.[/QUOTE]

True with bargirls, but blatant materialism is hardly a characteristic of regular Thai girls... unless you position yourself as a sponsor (a situation a much higher percentage of Thai girls than Western girls are willing to seek).

For those who speak some Thai, look for a regular Thai GF of similar age and class, try to be presentable, and don't throw silly money around, I find Thai girls less materialistic than those in the west. Of course, if you hook up with a girl from a poor background who's looking for any and all Farang they can get as a meal ticket... you get exactly that. Many Farang go for this, and it's not a bad deal for some. Another category of materialistic girls are the trophy women looking for a sponsor (most Thais go for this type and complain).

Outside of these two categories there are plenty of decent middle-class girls, who don't see their snatch / looks as their most valuable resource / skill. They have plenty to contribute to a relationship, including paying part of the expenses (although no woman actually likes a poor/stingy BF, so the guy still pays ~70% especially if his salary is higher).

I think the skewed impression of Thai girls comes from the fact that most girls actively looking for Farang are in the materialistic category. The truly good Thai girls are not averse to a relationship with a Farang (we have both pros and cons), but don't specifically seek us out, it takes some work to get to them, and they tend to want a generally good, reliable guy (usually that excludes tourists, and for expats speaking Thai is a big plus, even if they do speak English).

Most women in the West (USA specifically) seem to just want their 'gina itch scratched, steady, reliable guys don't do well at all (ignored until it's time to trap the sucker for marriage). They'd rather be screwing a bad boys who give them instant tingles until they're well in their 30s.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp; 1414489]True with bargirls, but blatant materialism is hardly a characteristic of regular Thai girls. Unless you position yourself as a sponsor (a situation a much higher percentage of Thai girls than Western girls are willing to seek).

For those who speak some Thai, look for a regular Thai GF of similar age and class, try to be presentable, and don't throw silly money around, I find Thai girls less materialistic than those in the west. Of course, if you hook up with a girl from a poor background who's looking for any and all Farang they can get as a meal ticket. You get exactly that. Many Farang go for this, and it's not a bad deal for some. Another category of materialistic girls are the trophy women looking for a sponsor (most Thais go for this type and complain).

Outside of these two categories there are plenty of decent middle-class girls, who don't see their snatch / looks as their most valuable resource / skill. They have plenty to contribute to a relationship, including paying part of the expenses (although no woman actually likes a poor / stingy BF, so the guy still pays 70% especially if his salary is higher).

I think the skewed impression of Thai girls comes from the fact that most girls actively looking for Farang are in the materialistic category. The truly good Thai girls are not averse to a relationship with a Farang (we have both pros and cons) , but don't specifically seek us out, it takes some work to get to them, and they tend to want a generally good, reliable guy (usually that excludes tourists, and for expats speaking Thai is a big plus, even if they do speak English).

Most women in the West (USA specifically) seem to just want their 'gina itch scratched, steady, reliable guys don't do well at all (ignored until it's time to trap the sucker for marriage). They'd rather be screwing a bad boys who give them instant tingles until they're well in their 30s.[/QUOTE]Materialism and Envy are the #1 things in the girls I have met. Especially in BKK off the dating sites. The envy thing is huge I think. They go on Facebook and try to outdo each other with their photos and comments.

Yes, some bring salary to the table. But it sure as shit is not much compared to what many of us make.

Bottom line it is all about them taking care of themselves and their families. They want your money and you (farang) and your family play second fiddle.

I would never marry a Thai girl.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1414495]Materialism and Envy are the #1 things in the girls I have met. Especially in BKK off the dating sites. The envy thing is huge I think. They go on Facebook and try to outdo each other with their photos and comments.

Yes, some bring salary to the table. But it sure as shit is not much compared to what many of us make.

Bottom line it is all about them taking care of themselves and their families. They want your money and you (farang) and your family play second fiddle.

I would never marry a Thai girl.[/QUOTE]You are clearly not hanging out with mainstream Thai women. Which is fine, if that's what you choose. No criticism here, but don't [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] and moan when low class women exhibit low class tendencies.

In the last couple of years I have met several mainstream, middle-class Thai ladies. Absolutely ZERO of their families would even consider accepting (let alone asking) money from an outsider. And absolutely ZERO of these ladies would allow some deadbeat shirttail relative to sponge off their BF.

BTW, any Thai girl on a dating site that will jump into bed with a farang she just met is not mainstream. She's done that sort of thing many times before. The women who interest me are in their late 30s. Early 40s. I have been very surprised at how few boyfriends these women have had in their lives.

Yes, their salaries are lower than western salaries, but that's not a fair comparison. The fact that they have a good job and a good, by Thai standards, salary, speaks volumes about their work ethic and character.

[QUOTE=Phordphan; 1414503]You are clearly not hanging out with mainstream Thai women. Which is fine, if that's what you choose. No criticism here, but don't [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] and moan when low class women exhibit low class tendencies.

In the last couple of years I have met several mainstream, middle-class Thai ladies. Absolutely ZERO of their families would even consider accepting (let alone asking) money from an outsider. And absolutely ZERO of these ladies would allow some deadbeat shirttail relative to sponge off their BF.

BTW, any Thai girl on a dating site that will jump into bed with a farang she just met is not mainstream. She's done that sort of thing many times before. The women who interest me are in their late 30s. Early 40s. I have been very surprised at how few boyfriends these women have had in their lives.

Yes, their salaries are lower than western salaries, but that's not a fair comparison. The fact that they have a good job and a good, by Thai standards, salary, speaks volumes about their work ethic and character.[/QUOTE]Sorry dude, you are wrong in my case.

These are women who work for major corporations, have cars, and apts.

Which is why they are materialistic. Because they have had a taste of it and want more.

But these girls are attractive and successful.

You meet girls in their 30's and 40's who have rarely had a BF? You don't know much about Thai culture and are extremely naive if you believe that. But if it is true, I guess yours must be pretty homely and unattractive. But hey, they have a good work ethic so you are happy I guess.

Yes I agree, many of those desperate ones for you to find in Thailand.

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[QUOTE=Phordphan; 1414503]You are clearly not hanging out with mainstream Thai women. Which is fine, if that's what you choose. No criticism here, but don't [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] and moan when low class women exhibit low class tendencies.

In the last couple of years I have met several mainstream, middle-class Thai ladies. Absolutely ZERO of their families would even consider accepting (let alone asking) money from an outsider. And absolutely ZERO of these ladies would allow some deadbeat shirttail relative to sponge off their BF.

BTW, any Thai girl on a dating site that will jump into bed with a farang she just met is not mainstream. She's done that sort of thing many times before. The women who interest me are in their late 30s. Early 40s. I have been very surprised at how few boyfriends these women have had in their lives.

Yes, their salaries are lower than western salaries, but that's not a fair comparison. The fact that they have a good job and a good, by Thai standards, salary, speaks volumes about their work ethic and character.[/QUOTE]It'a way too simplistic to catoragise women into low class high class mainstream and whatever the opposite of that is. It is not black or white. Generally speaking most Thai girls not all I agree that are in the P4P life don't have many options unless they want to work for minimum wage and even then they need a high school education which not all of them have. Even graduate level can expect no more than 15, 000 starting. Consequently wanting to meet a farang who will take care of them and their family while it can be considered as exploiting the farang equally I know of several situations where this works perfectly well for both parties particularly where the girl and her family are nice people and greatly appreciate the help they are getting. Mostly when things go wrong the problem I believe lies in the innate cultural differences between East and West. Relationships and this is true for all social strata begin to flounder when both parties discover they really have nothing in common. I despair when I constantly read "they are only after your money". Sure that's part of the equation but only because you are the one with the money and they are the one without and if getting paid for sex is what they do and paying for sex is what we do then of course money is central but they are not all cold hearted Jezebels with a mean streak. That said the vast majority of single Thai women whether "mainstream' 'or not while they may not openly ask for such will gladly accept gifts and if truth be told will expect them.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1414292]The Thai girls at 7-11 think your shirt is nice, but can speak the English words to tell you.

Carl's? Where is it I love that place.

SOL. That is what makes it a great and different experience for me. The filth, smell and grit. Not for everyone I guess.[/QUOTE]Two in BKK. One on Soi 24, its attached to a hotel, I think Davis Hotel. Other one is at Soi Thaniya right by Sala Daeng BTS.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss;1414292]SOL. That is what makes it a great and different experience for me. The filth, smell and grit. .[/QUOTE]Rather like one of those dark, grimy saloons that Clint Eastwood strolls into on a high desert plain.

I must admit, I'm tempted!

I take offence to being called a pimp daddy. All my stories are P4P. I offer them a 7 baht bottle of water before they come up in my room and blow me.

One thing is for sure, it appears that there are as many opinions on what a "mainstream" Thai woman is as there are people on this board with assholes. As for my experience a mainstream Thai woman has been a woman with a non-sex industry job who is not after your money and does not ask for or accept financial help from a man. She offers to pay for some things when you go out together. She is not materialistic and has not had many boyfriends. Just because they didn't jump into bed with YOU right away does not mean they will not do it with another guy. And just because she does it with another guy does not mean she has done it many times before. A lot of times it has to do with a type of timing that you can neither predict nor control. You just have to chalk it up to being in the right place at the right time when the stars decided to align.

Case in point: I met a chick from tagged a couple of years ago. She was educated and had a job. We met in Carrefour and ate lunch at Subway. After that I called her a couple of times and it seemed she was brushing me off. I stopped trying and I never heard back from her, so I figured she didn't like me. Everybody is not going to like everybody. No harm, no foul.

In the middle of last month I was eating breakfast at my usual spot. A girl eating alone, two tables in front of me, looked like her but I could not be sure. I mouthed to her,"Why you never call me?" She didn't understand and called me over to her table. I had to remind her who I was. I wanted to get back to my breakfast so I told her to call me later. She gave me her basic-ass, unmaterialistic cell phone and told me to put my number into it. I typed the number and gave it back to her. She said,"Oh, your number is already in my phone." Damn from that long ago?

That afternoon she started texting me and I told her to come over. We went back and forth with her asking why I wanted her to come over bla bla bla. She finally came. We chatted for a minute then both got in the bed for a nap. Next thing you know we were fucking like rabbits. We went to sleep, woke up about 8pm, and went outside to our bikes. I told her that I wanted her to come eat with me. She left her bike and we went and ate. We came back and she got on her bike and went home.

That is just one story out of countless. Another girl who I met in a disco came over when she got off work the day after I met her. She was educated and worked in her family's business. I wouldn't be surprised if she had been a virgin before. We had a good time fucking and afterwards she told me she wanted me to teach her things about sex. Aside from this she also wanted to be my girlfriend. I told her that I didn't want a girlfriend. She literally cried and begged and pleaded but I'm not into deceiving anybody. She moved back to Bangkok and soon married an African guy who plays soccer there. They just had a baby two weeks ago. She is very faithful to her man. Whenever I mention naughty things she says she loves her husband and that I did not want her when she was throwing herself at me.

They are all Thai women, but it seems like each Tom, Dick, and Harry on this board is having personal experiences with them that are constant to only themselves and not necessarily experienced by others. Or maybe it is only our expectation and perception that is varying from person to person and causing a particular outcome specific to only ourselves.

[QUOTE=Luvpuss; 1414508]Sorry dude, you are wrong in my case.

These are women who work for major corporations, have cars, and apts.

Which is why they are materialistic. Because they have had a taste of it and want more.

But these girls are attractive and successful.

You meet girls in their 30's and 40's who have rarely had a BF? You don't know much about Thai culture and are extremely naive if you believe that. But if it is true, I guess yours must be pretty homely and unattractive. But hey, they have a good work ethic so you are happy I guess.

Yes I agree, many of those desperate ones for you to find in Thailand.[/QUOTE]Hmm. 500 baht bareback Nana streetwalkers who are attractive and successful? I find that hard to believe. LOL. Methinks your cheap bareback streetwalkers define desperate, no? :D

I will say, unequivocally, that a Thai woman who has had a lot of experience with bonking farang is rarely suitable for a mate, whether or not money was exchanged for the sex. So, if those are who you're hanging with, then your observations about not marrying a Thai girls are correct.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1414581]One thing is for sure, it appears that there are as many opinions on what a "mainstream" Thai woman is as there are people on this board with assholes. As for my experience a mainstream Thai woman has been a woman with a non-sex industry job who is not after your money and does not ask for or accept financial help from a man. She offers to pay for some things when you go out together. She is not materialistic and has not had many boyfriends. Just because they didn't jump into bed with YOU right away does not mean they will not do it with another guy. And just because she does it with another guy does not mean she has done it many times before. A lot of times it has to do with a type of timing that you can neither predict nor control. You just have to chalk it up to being in the right place at the right time when the stars decided to align.[/QUOTE]Your points are very accurate. And I realize there are vast cultural differences between West and East. The Eastern culture uses money in a much different way than the Western. Much of this stems from when women had no real economic opportunities in a strongly male-dominated society.

Now I never said my experiences were reflective of all Thai women, mainstream or otherwise, just as the actions of a bar girl don't represent all Thai women. But, I know what I've seen. As Mr. Goat pointed out in what started this discussion, you have to ask what she brings to the party. So, I was looking for women in that particular age bracket (still young enough to be attractive but not so young that they look like my daughter) , with an education and a career. Sure there are women in that age bracket who are financially successful, and promiscuous. But I do not believe that they are in the majority. Not just based upon my experience, but from what I understand of the culture and religion.

But the overall point I was making was that guys who constantly complain that all Thai women have their hand out, or have relatives who have their hands out, are plainly dealing with some very low class people. Even people with money can be low class (Look at Yingluck!) I have yet to experience that with any of the middle-class Thai ladies I know, and I don't expect it to ever happen. So, if you're tired of ladies who are always demanding money or gold, or who expect you to provide for every relative who wanders into the house, you need to look at a different class of ladies. That's all I'm saying.

[QUOTE=Harold444;1414526]Now for the doom and gloomer! If you want to have fun with prostitutes you cannot assume you are better than them- you are not! So they only have grade school edukation, tha doesn't make them inferior to you. I bet the girls bad attitude you encounter have a lot to do with the condescending attitutde you may give off.[/QUOTE]Completely agree. I've always had good times with BGs, and it's as you say: you don't look down on them and treat them like humans and not pieces of meat.

Having said that, I finally got bored with them. This last trip I had some free time and visited some BGs in Nana and Patpong, including a long-time fave at Pink Panther. The problem was, after about 30 seconds, we were out of things to say, except for my fave because we can discuss old times. I'm tired of "Where you flom," "How many baby." No criticism of the girls, it's the way it is. They have minimal education and it's hard to find a BG who can carry on an intelligent conversation. I've found them, they're just rare.

So, a BG can be a lot of fun, and some can even provide a good bedroom experience. But marrying one? Guys who do deserve what they get.