American Politics

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2540586]Unlike your ridiculous claim about Trump falling in love with Kim Jong Un[/QUOTE]Poor fella, you've got so much to learn.

[URL]https://youtu.be/LV6mVmAVQU4[/URL]

[QUOTE=GDreams;2540513]You get that from Gerrymandering and voter suppression. The people being elected don't face consequences so they act in their partisan interests not the peoples interests. Fix that and both the right and left will come back to the center.[/QUOTE]The Center? The problem is the political game in America is being played between the forty-yard lines.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2540748]Poor fella, you've got so much to learn.

[URL]https://youtu.be/LV6mVmAVQU4[/URL][/QUOTE]And you took it literally, LMFAO!

[QUOTE=GDreams;2540694]More nonsense. US policy regarding Cuba has been a failure for 60 years. So how was it a betrayal to improve relations with Cuba compared to Vietnam, Russia, China, or dozens of other countries the US has been in conflict with? What dastardly events occurred? Nothing! Wow what a betrayal. Cubans got some benefit from trade and tourism, what a catastrophe! Iran suspended their nuclear enrichment programs and opened up their facilities for inspectors. Lets all quake at the knees at such betrayal. How has Trump's strongarming turned out? Yep total failure.[/QUOTE]Concise and well stated.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2540300]This is liable to be too much for you to take in. Sure, the Dem ticket won, but what kind of democracy is it when the electorate is faced with the choice of Joe Biden or Donald Freaking Trump forced on it by a corrupt two party duopoly?[/QUOTE]Your comparison of corruption, being just as equal between the Republicans and Democrats is so very flawed. It's like comparing the someone who has committed manslaughter to someone else who is a serial killer.

Corruption being a major part of the Republican DNA and who they are. Both parties are not without their transgressions, but they are not even on the same level, not even close.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2541099]Your comparison of corruption, being just as equal between the Republicans and Democrats is so very flawed. It's like comparing the someone who has committed manslaughter to someone else who is a serial killer.

Corruption being a major part of the Republican DNA and who they are. Both parties are not without their transgressions, but they are not even on the same level, not even close.[/QUOTE]The Democrats are undoubtedly way worse. Just look at Biden Jr.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2540694]More nonsense. US policy regarding Cuba has been a failure for 60 years. So how was it a betrayal to improve relations with Cuba compared to Vietnam, Russia, China, or dozens of other countries the US has been in conflict with? What dastardly events occurred? Nothing! Wow what a betrayal. Cubans got some benefit from trade and tourism, what a catastrophe! Iran suspended their nuclear enrichment programs and opened up their facilities for inspectors. Lets all quake at the knees at such betrayal. How has Trump's strongarming turned out? Yep total failure.[/QUOTE]Trump is undoubtedly the most successful US president ever when it comes to handling the Middle East. He built strong alliances and managed to bring peace to the Middle East. It's unprecedented.

Obama, Biden and the Democratic Party betrayed the US, especially the Cuban-Americans. Obama&Biden decided to spit at the survivors of the communist mass murderers Castro&Guevara. But so guess that I shouldn't be surprised that the Democratic prefer to support bloodthirsty socialists. USA should have put the Castro family out of business decades ago.

So how's the relationship with Russia and China going? LMFAO!

It's hilarious to see you mention those countries considering the sanctions the Democrats been so eager to put on Russia.

Trump had a good strategy when it came to Iran but he could have been even more aggressive taking out more Iranian terrorists, I'm deeply disappointed that he didn't take out Javid Zafari.

If you want to talk about failures just look at the JPOAC, it was pathetic and extremely counterproductive. There's a reason why Israel was against it. Not to mention the fact that the deal didn't really do anything to stop Iran from developing nuclear weapons, it more importantly didn't do anything to stop Iran's domestic&global terrorism and it frankly strengthened Iran's military capacity. Obama&Biden gave Iran billions of dollars to increase their military spending which equaled more spies to Europe, more money to Hezbollah and an improved missile program.

So in short, Obama&Biden didn't only fail to stop Iran from continuing to develop nuclear weapons, they also strengthened Iran's military capabilities.

You do understand that Iran not only hates the West, they are also laughing at Obama&Biden and the EU?

Trump on the other hand put fear in their hearts and death to some of the regimes most notorious key players.

It's ignorant to bunch Persians, Israelis and Arabs together. There are considerable cultural differences.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2541099]Your comparison of corruption, being just as equal between the Republicans and Democrats is so very flawed. It's like comparing the someone who has committed manslaughter to someone else who is a serial killer.

Corruption being a major part of the Republican DNA and who they are. Both parties are not without their transgressions, but they are not even on the same level, not even close.[/QUOTE]Also there are other parties besides the two major ones. In fact there was a time when the Reform Party was garnering a lot of support. Fact is though that most other parties in the states promote extremes that are well outside the views of the majority of American voters. But the two party system, one strong liberal, one strong conservative ultimately promotes centrism, which is the best place to be, and is where most Americans ultimately are.

Golfinho, BTW, fluctuates back and forth between railing again Democrats then the system as a whole. When asked for specifics or to explain himself, none are provided as he feigns superiority, acting as if no one is smart enough to understand him. Lolol But yea he's been in here pushing some whacky conspiracy theories regarding the vaccine rollout and alleged chip implantations. He's linked to the website of the known flaming Anti-Semite E. Michael Jones, and has called the vice president "Kabala" instead of Kamala which is certainly a reference to her Jewishness and that of her husband. So yea, all gives a good indication of what we are dealing, which should come as no surprise as monger communities draw all kinds.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2541099]Your comparison of corruption, being just as equal between the Republicans and Democrats is so very flawed.[/QUOTE]What is often deemed "corruption" relates to campaign contributions which are perfectly legal, and in case law, deemed Constitutional. And while griping and complaining, usually within the context of self-serving and / or phony populism the same fail to provide any Constitutional alternatives.

It all comes back to the old saying of someone "crying with a loaf of bread under their arm." Americans live in a highly developed and successful economic environment where plenty of help for the disadvantaged but motivated individual exists. One can plan a career, get grants and aid for higher education, party less and save more, invest, become a homeowner and even a multi-millionaire if so determined. This vaccine roll out offers another picture of how advantaged we are. Shots are going in arms at a rapid pace, while developing countries are hardly off the ground. Not to mention all these stimulus checks and enhanced unemployment benefits that are only dreamed of most places.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2541123]Trump is undoubtedly the most successful US president ever when it comes to handling the Middle East. He built strong alliances and managed to bring peace to the Middle East. It's unprecedented.[/QUOTE]I sometimes don't know why I bother but here goes. As if anyone cares about your assessment Trump. As with all things Trump whatever he has done will turn out to be temporary and ineffectual. Bring peace to the middle east? LOL! They are fake rockets that are raining down on Saudi? Israel doesn't conduct airstrikes into Syria? Palestinians and Israelis have signed a peace deal? Kurds, Sunnis and Shiites are all giving each other hugs? The Taliban has disbanded? Yep I expect the whole region will live in peace and prosperity because of Trump.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2541123]Obama, Biden and the Democratic Party betrayed the US, especially the Cuban-Americans. Obama&Biden decided to spit at the survivors of the communist mass murderers Castro&Guevara. But so guess that I shouldn't be surprised that the Democratic prefer to support bloodthirsty socialists. USA should have put the Castro family out of business decades ago.[/QUOTE]Cuban Americans? Are they Cuban or American? If they are American then how does Biden betray them? If its good for America its good for them as Americans. Yet again you have failed to specify exactly how this betrayal is being perpetuated. Spell it out what was the downside of opening up dialogue, improving trade and improving relations? How did the US suffer? Don't tell me about the internal politics of Cuba. The US has not only tolerated but actively supported many totalitarian regimes who torture and execute their citizens. Remember the Cultural Revolution yet China is the biggest trading partner. As I have said they have diplomatic and trade relationships with many countries as bad or worse than Cuba, so where is the betrayal?

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2541123]So how's the relationship with Russia and China going? LMFAO![/QUOTE]Not good yet still bilateral trade, diplomacy, travel, etc. So based on that why would Cuba be treated any different to these countries?

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2541123]It's hilarious to see you mention those countries considering the sanctions the Democrats been so eager to put on Russia.[/QUOTE]Russia just launched serious cyber attacks on the US, Russia interfered in the 2016 election, Russia invaded Crimea and Ukraine, Russia has been assassinating journalists and opposition figures yet Cuba is treated far worse by the US when they have done nothing to the US.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2541123]Trump had a good strategy when it came to Iran but he could have been even more aggressive taking out more Iranian terrorists, I'm deeply disappointed that he didn't take out Javid Zafari.[/QUOTE]Trump failed miserably with Iran. The nuclear program is in full swing, their missile and drone programs are becoming much more sophisticated, they have significant influence over Iraq and Syria and China is now pretty much ignoring US sanctions to buy their oil. Looks to me like a complete failure in policy.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2541123]If you want to talk about failures just look at the JPOAC, it was pathetic and extremely counterproductive. There's a reason why Israel was against it. Not to mention the fact that the deal didn't really do anything to stop Iran from developing nuclear weapons, it more importantly didn't do anything to stop Iran's domestic&global terrorism and it frankly strengthened Iran's military capacity. Obama&Biden gave Iran billions of dollars to increase their military spending which equaled more spies to Europe, more money to Hezbollah and an improved missile program.[/QUOTE]It worked as it was intended. It put a halt to the nuclear program. It did not claim to have any other intent. Noone cares what Israel thinks. Israel is the a terrorist state themselves. The are like the 10 year old bully who whenever they get confronted go and hide behind the legs of their 20 year old brother. I could detail all the shortcomings of Israel but that ist the point The point is that Iran is a sovereign nation and they have the just as much right to carry out their activities as the US does in supporting Saudi or UAE. So what if they got nuclear weapons. Pakistan has them, India has them Nth Korea has them. Lots of countries have them. So what?

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2541123]So in short, Obama&Biden didn't only fail to stop Iran from continuing to develop nuclear weapons, they also strengthened Iran's military capabilities.[/QUOTE]Well Trump was in power the last 4 years and these programs have accelerated significantly under his watch.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2541123]You do understand that Iran not only hates the West, they are also laughing at Obama&Biden and the EU?[/QUOTE]No Iran does not hate the west. Iran was very cooperative with the US after 911 until Bush came out with his axis of evil speech. If it were not for US policy Iran would likely be the most prowest nation in the region but once again because the US loves to support right wing dictators rather than democracies Iran has ended up being an enemy. However the US should look at their friends there, The arabs who have all been supporters of ISIS and al qaeda and Israel (a bunch of European refugees who have terrorised the region for the last 75 years.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2541123]Trump on the other hand put fear in their hearts and death to some of the regimes most notorious key players.[/QUOTE]The only people afraid of Trump are teenage girls.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2541123]It's ignorant to bunch Persians, Israelis and Arabs together. There are considerable cultural differences.[/QUOTE]When did I mention culture? I said they are all as deplorable as each other. If they fought themselves to mutual destruction not one tear would be shed by me.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2541099]Your comparison of corruption, being just as equal between
Both parties are not without their transgressions, but they are not even on the same level, not even close.[/QUOTE]The Democrat Party foisting Hillary Clinton on the electorate in 2016 (which resulted in Donald Trump!) should have told you all you needed to know about the Dems, but apparently not.

[QUOTE=GDreams;2541272]It worked as it was intended. It put a halt to the nuclear program. It did not claim to have any other intent. Noone cares what Israel thinks. Israel is the a terrorist state themselves. The are like the 10 year old bully who whenever they get confronted go and hide behind the legs of their 20 year old brother. I could detail all the shortcomings of Israel but that ist the point The point is that Iran is a sovereign nation and they have the just as much right to carry out their activities as the US does in supporting Saudi or UAE. So what if they got nuclear weapons. Pakistan has them, India has them Nth Korea has them. Lots of countries have them. So what?[/QUOTE]Though there's one point you didn't respond to. Neither Obama nor Biden "gave Iran billions of dollars. " As part of the Iran nuclear deal Iranian assets, IE. Their own money held in foreign banks was released. And the EU, Russia, and China were part of this action along with the US. Shoobree was corrected on this point multiple times in the past, but for whatever reason, chooses to keep repeating the lie. I enjoy a good tussle, but people that habitually demonstrate a lack of integrity / engage in logical fallacies aren't worth bothering with as it's a bad use of my time.

[URL]https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jan/07/facebook-posts/facebook-claim-wrongly-states-obama-gave-iran-150-/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.factcheck.org/2019/03/obama-didnt-give-iran-150-billion-in-cash/[/URL]

[URL]https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ArgumentumAdNauseam[/URL]

[QUOTE=GDreams;2541272]Cuban Americans? Are they Cuban or American? If they are American then how does Biden betray them? If its good for America its good for them as Americans.

No one cares what Israel thinks. Israel is the a terrorist state themselves. [/QUOTE]Who are these Cuban-Americans? They're the people who ran away when Castro appropriated their land, businesses, and properties. Living in their little houses in Hialeah, having to work for once in their lives and raising their children on tales of lost splendor rightfully theirs that they hope to have restored to them -- once the revolucionarios fall.

Isreal is the terrorist state themselves? Tell us more, please. Go for it!

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2541177]Golfinho, BTW, fluctuates back and forth between railing again Democrats then the system as a whole. When asked for specifics or to explain himself, none are provided as he feigns superiority, acting as if no one is smart enough to understand him. Lolol But yea he's been in here pushing some whacky conspiracy theories regarding the vaccine rollout and alleged chip implantations. He's linked to the website of the known flaming Anti-Semite E. Michael Jones, and has called the vice president "Kabala" instead of Kamala which is certainly a reference to her Jewishness and that of her husband. So yea, all gives a good indication of what we are dealing, which should come as no surprise as monger communities draw all kinds.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the heads up! Much appreciated!

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2541346]The Democrat Party foisting Hillary Clinton on the electorate in 2016 (which resulted in Donald Trump!) should have told you all you needed to know about the Dems, but apparently not.[/QUOTE]I suspected the comparison would be lost on you. Not too worry, don't lose any sleep on it.

As Republicans run down to Mar-a-Lago to kiss the ring on their own foisted "orange throne" of folly, it is far more insidious and symptomatic something of a political party lost in denomination.