Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=Harold444;1414809]But please stop saying there are 8s or 9s to be found.[/QUOTE]A numeric rating of a SW is meaningless without context. What is a 1 and what is a 10? Is the 10 comparable to the winner of the 2012 Miss Universe title? Or is a 10 the best looking girl you're likely to find in a Bangkok MP? This is an issue in measurement theory, a branch of applied mathematics. To have a useful equal interval scale (such as a 1 to 10 rating scale of physical appearance) it is minimally necessary to define the end points of the scale, and preferably the midpoint as well: a 1 looks like this; a 5 looks like this; a 10 looks like this. In the absence of these anchors all you can conclude is that an 8 is more attractive than a 4. In the absence of context my 8 may be too unattractive to meet your minimal standard for a woman worth fucking.

Rating the beauty of a woman is compounded by cultural differences and personal preferences. A bubble butt is a very desirable feature on a woman in some cultures, and some woman in these culture will have butt augmentations. Personally I like a woman with a smaller and firm ass. But when you read the previous sentence are you certain you know what I mean by a smaller ass? A woman another man describes as having a gorgeous bubble butt I might think has a grossly fat ass. A woman I think has a nice sized firm ass the next man may think has a skinny ass not worth fucking.

I've rarely seen a woman in one of the beer bars that I would rate higher than a 6. But a man who procured his ladies exclusively from beer bars might look at a group of ladies I think are all bunch of 4s and rate some of them as a 4 others as a 6 and some as an 8. Perhaps he's more experienced at judging women who fall within a certain range of beauty and is able to make fine discrimination. Maybe 8s are to be found in a Bangkok beer bar, but because I spend very little time in beer bars I don't have enough opportunities to run into the occasional 8.

I find it most useful when a report describes the woman and how hot the guy found her: "she was pretty hot, kind of short, an okay face, good sized tits and nice big ass." Better yet is when a report says,"She actually looks better than her picture on the website." An 8 tells me next to nothing. What does it mean? That she looks like one of the women who didn't make it beyond the regional competitions for the Miss Colombia title? I have a buddy who occasionally sees a lady in her mid-twenties in Medellin. I couple of years ago she was a regional finalist for Miss Colombia. I'd describe her as a drop dead gorgeous young lady with fantastic boobs and an ass to die for. But perhaps the fact that she didn't have a nice big bubble butt kept her from advancing to the finals.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1414995]Hotel 2 minutes fromm NEP for 17, 000 for 30 days. Recp. Gave me 1000 discount due to no window when I mentioned I wanted one. LOL.

Best wif-fi since my return to BKK the last 10 months. Can watch japanes porn, and MLB baseball and NBA basketball.[/QUOTE]Sounds like a good bargain. However, that particular hotel also doubles as a short term hotel, right?

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1414733]1. You are being kinda racist thinking taxi drivers are scammers. Most I've dealt w. No problem.

4. 16, 000 for 10 drinks. No wonder mamasan want deep throat you. Those arab bars may have a concept that works fine and dandy. There always new ones coming to town, like barnum and bailey said. Might as well take advantage of them.[/QUOTE]There was no need to quote the whole post.

[QUOTE=Mangoes;1414637]So it seems gogo bars are definitely getting to be off limits for Indians (read my report. One page back). Though Baccara didn't deny entry, the good service and the smiles from the best girls were reserved for the Japanese clients. The Pattaya syndrome (of walking street gogo's denying entry to Indians) coming to Bangkok as well now. Sigh. Guess it is better to pick up FL's from discos etc than from gogo's. Thanks for the report BTW.[/QUOTE]By the way the guy behaved no wonder why some guys get a no-no to enter a place.

The one that welcomed him sucked him hell of a lot of money for a few beers. No wonder!

[QUOTE=Mangoes;1414637]So it seems gogo bars are definitely getting to be off limits for Indians (read my report. One page back). Though Baccara didn't deny entry, the good service and the smiles from the best girls were reserved for the Japanese clients. The Pattaya syndrome (of walking street gogo's denying entry to Indians) coming to Bangkok as well now. Sigh. Guess it is better to pick up FL's from discos etc than from gogo's. Thanks for the report BTW.[/QUOTE]To be honest like my last time in BKK I have never had a race problem in soi cowboy. I failed to mention that before I re-met the girl from shark I did go to baccara again, and there were lots of pretty ladies, and quite a few did approach me. The night I went before I figure all the good ones had left. But I have not experienced problems with approaching and being approached by women at all in soi cowboy.

Bionicman. I am not a ****. I knew exactly how much money I have and how much I could afford to spend. And yes I had a few beers, but no they charged me for the 3 bottles of whiskey I opened, thats where the price came from. Also I do not act obnoxiously in any place I go to. And everywhere I've been has always welcomed me back regardless of my spending. And just because you have 4000+ posts doesn't mean everyone but you is a ****. I personally think you are an ass for insinuating that my behavior is the reason indians are not allowed in. My take on the situation is that majority of indians come to watch with one beer as opposed to take out. Which is why they are not the preferred clientele.

Finally to the other guy who said I was being racist about thai taxi drivers. I wasnt. I think the majority of taxi drivers the world over are cheats. Thats just how things are. In BKK after 11 I found that very very few turn on the meter. I was lucky enough that the first one I got into did turn it on. Which is contrary to my other late night experiences with taxi's in BKK.

To sum up. If you are indian soi cowboy is friendlier. And in my opinion has a better vibe and better looking women. Don't be phased. Just be decent, and good will happen to you. But if you are one of the smelly indians who don't buy drinks (if you can fly to BKK, you can afford proper deodorant and cologne). Might as well stay home because you are ruining our reputation abroad.

On a final note. Aside from the prices I paid. Looking at the average st and lt prices, I think BKK is starting to rival other western countries. Time to seek out Yangon and Vietnam. Or the cheap eastern european girls in london.

Till next time I hope everyone enjoys BKK.

Stay safe and play safe.

Kkreeac

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[quote=lotus303; 1403530]well said. but i bet ecunter would love some butter in his buttocks, sound like a kinky thang, ok lets get freaky flunky!

patpong or should that read pisspong.

went to meet a client this evening in silom, so have our meeting i head over to patpong, omg! how dire is this place now. it was like backpackers v's koreans, i mean that is all i saw. first stop was sol, but no frigging way, the lovely lassies outside were all eating somtam, so no way was i getting fire dick, so went to a cheeky little soapy i know round the corner called tanika (or something like that) not far from rose bar. went upstairs and saw a lovely choice of fine fillies.

been here many times and always paid 1000 baht for 90 minutes full hardcore fun. it must have new management as they quoted be 2, 000 which i said mai dai. trick is to get up and walk away, but they soon say "ok, wot you pay" just type 1000 baht into their little calculator and off you go with a lady of your choice, oh before you gop to the room, she chants something in thai and hits a wooded cock on a bell, then all the other girs says something, very weird indeed. this place was on a youtube video with same yippon dude that captured [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url], sol and dr big jock with his little specs camera, naughty naughty yippon! lol!

now, this place kick annies for quality and price. i mean its the same routine as there but half the price. started of with a nice all over soapie massage, tits in my ass, tits in my face, tits everywhere. after that into the tub for a nice gentle massage, teasing little minx got me so hard. off to the bed for another massage and bbbj. 69, a lot and i mean a lot of ass munching was going on here, both me and her. wowzerrs! then on with jonnie and wham bam thank you mam.

tipped her 500 baht as it was a dam good 90 minutes. total cost was 1000 baht for mamasan. 100 baht for my sprite and 500 baht for her, total 1600 baht and left have very happy and very empty guy. patpong is really a sad place now, but hey, in the words of big arnie " i'll be back!"[/quote]is this takara massage parlour which has a stairways out front?

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1415485]Whta this tells me is you know darn well girls in beer bars are not hot at all. It is not a BEHOLDER thing. Always exceptions-outlyers. LOL. I f you want confirmation go to a beer bar and ask the hottest 1 you see how much for GFE, shit eating, etc.

If she starts at 1000 you know she doesn't think she hot either. LOL.

Among 3 pretty girls there might be an argument who is hottest. Among 3 ugly girls same same there might not be agreement on who is ugliest. But I bet you most men would place the 6 girls in their appropriate category.[/QUOTE]Then why do some of the guys claim they see 8s at the beer bars? Do you know what they mean by an 8? I sure don't.

Why do the MPs over on Ratchada get so much for some of the sideliners who I personally don't find any more attractive than the better looking girls in the fishbowl. As you might expect the only difference in their appearance is they have fairer skin and look a couple of years younger. We know Asian men will pay large sums of money for these young women.

On various occasions I've been with Black men who will remark that a women I think is just another overweight, average looking blonde with fair skin and blue eyes is attractive. Similarly why do they think a slender black woman I think is hot is too skinny?

Once I was in a bar with a buddy who is Middle Eastern. A drunk lady who I thought was damn ugly came on to me. I ignored her. She started talking to my buddy and suggested the three of us go to her place for a threesome. My buddy started to pester me to go because she had large hanging breasts and large eyes that he found attractive. I didn't even notice her eyes because the rest of her face was so ugly. He later told me that because he came from a culture in which woman wear veils he was drawn to the woman's eyes. He also thought her big sagging boobs made her look very "womanly," whatever that means.

I live fairly close to a high school. I think most of the students attending it range from slightly overweight to obese. I'll sit in a Starbucks not far away and overhear students talking about someone of the opposite sex I think is just another fat teenager as being really cute.

I think there are cultural differences in what is perceived to be an attractive woman. And for the life of me, I can't figure out why I read reports in which guys claim they pick up good looking girls in beer bars. I don't see it, but who am I to tell them the women they find attractive are not when I don't even know what the woman looks like. I can only conclude we have different standards of beauty.

[quote=paul kausch; 1415077]a numeric rating of a sw is meaningless without context. what is a 1 and what is a 10? is the 10 comparable to the winner of the 2012 miss universe title? or is a 10 the best looking girl you're likely to find in a bangkok mp? this is an issue in measurement theory, a branch of applied mathematics. to have a useful equal interval scale (such as a 1 to 10 rating scale of physical appearance) it is minimally necessary to define the end points of the scale, and preferably the midpoint as well: a 1 looks like this; a 5 looks like this; a 10 looks like this. in the absence of these anchors all you can conclude is that an 8 is more attractive than a 4. in the absence of context my 8 may be too unattractive to meet your minimal standard for a woman worth fucking.

i find it most useful when a report describes the woman and how hot the guy found her: "she was pretty hot, kind of short, an okay face, good sized tits and nice big ass." better yet is when a report says,"she actually looks better than her picture on the website." an 8 tells me next to nothing. what does it mean? that she looks like one of the women who didn't make it beyond the regional competitions for the miss colombia title? i have a buddy who occasionally sees a lady in her mid-twenties in medellin. i couple of years ago she was a regional finalist for miss colombia. i'd describe her as a drop dead gorgeous young lady with fantastic boobs and an ass to die for. but perhaps the fact that she didn't have a nice big bubble butt kept her from advancing to the finals.[/quote]

bringing up some good points here. i don't think the 1-10 system can comprehensively judge a girl's beauty, it's just too narrow a range. you can say a girl who is pretty hot, but maybe a little low class or whatever and judge her an 7 or 8 at face value and that might be a fair enough grade. but match her up against auto show promo girls (just using that as an example, not absolute) and she would be outclassed by a mile. even the less hot promo girl would mop the floor of a typical 7-8 girl on the streets. and where do you class the $15 girls in cambodia and the philippines? they might be an 8 or 9 to a clown who sits all day in his dirty stinky underwear, but if you match those girls up against a hot rb or top tier freelance girl, it would be like secretariat racing a $35, 000 claimer on the first ticket of the daily double at santa anita lol.

if one has to use a numerical value on girls, emulate the beyer speed rating that does a really good job showcasing how fast a horse is on a given track. if anyone knows horse racing and the good ol daily racing form, one look at that beyer speed rating and you generally have a good idea how fast and at what stakes he / she runs at. same system should be applied to girls and is much wider a range than the standard 1-10

[quote=tony hoeprano; 1415549]bringing up some good points here. i don't think the 1-10 system can comprehensively judge a girl's beauty, it's just too narrow a range. you can say a girl who is pretty hot, but maybe a little low class or whatever and judge her an 7 or 8 at face value and that might be a fair enough grade. but match her up against auto show promo girls (just using that as an example, not absolute) and she would be outclassed by a mile. even the less hot promo girl would mop the floor of a typical 7-8 girl on the streets. and where do you class the $15 girls in cambodia and the philippines? they might be an 8 or 9 to a clown who sits all day in his dirty stinky underwear, but if you match those girls up against a hot rb or top tier freelance girl, it would be like secretariat racing a $35, 000 claimer on the first ticket of the daily double at santa anita lol.

if one has to use a numerical value on girls, emulate the beyer speed rating that does a really good job showcasing how fast a horse is on a given track. if anyone knows horse racing and the good ol daily racing form, one look at that beyer speed rating and you generally have a good idea how fast and at what stakes he / she runs at. same system should be applied to girls and is much wider a range than the standard 1-10[/quote]continuing to use measurement theory as a framework for an unnecessarily detailed analysis, what is need is a multi-dimensional scaling system. these require a bit of matrix algebra, but are not too difficult to do now that we have modern computers to perform the countless hours of simple arithmetic calculations required to manipulate large matrices in mulit-dimensional space. each attribute, face, ass, pussy, legs, stomach, tits, skin tone, would receive a rating and these would be combined to calculate an overall physical appearance rating. of course we'd want guys to see the individual components of this score so the ass lovers could hone in on these ladies, same for the tit lovers, etc. then there's the matter of performance. we'd have to evaluate her bj skills and probably apply a weighting coefficient to reflect bare versus covered, cim, cof. ideally we'd want to measure, in centimeters, how deep she swallowed cock, and collect and measure the amount of spit that drooled out of her mouth while doing this. then of course there is the fucking, both pussy and ass, independent ratings on each of the common positions; and we'd want to take the bareback dudes into consideration and again factor in covered versus bare. sluttiness is another attribute as well as the auditory quality of her squeals. and then of course there is context, which probably is largely a function of how much you had to pay. did you pick her up off the street and she only charged 500. did she come from a sukhumvit soapy or was she an expensive sideliner from ratchada. the problem is the model is pretty complicated. and i wouldn't get into whether she does ffm with lesbian action, mmf with dp, gang bangs and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord118][CodeWord118][/url] (quantity and accuracy of her aim.) that would make it really complicated. the rating system could be created. i'd start by developing a preliminary rating form and circulate it on isg for feedback. no doubt there are things i'm missing that will be immediately obvious to the more depraved members of this forum. it might take a while to complete it on every girl a guy fucks. we'd need hundreds of guys fucking hundreds of girls and even then we wouldn't have enough data. these multivariate analyses require huge data sets to have any validity.

on the other hand, we could spend all the time we waste going through this exercise just fucking the ladies.

i've bookmarked an article on the beyer speed figure to read this weekend. i don't play the ponies so i've never heard of it. but i find this stuff interesting. helps slow down the inevitable advance of the mental decrepitude.

Since womens looks and beauty are in the eyes of the beholders and everyone have their own opinion regarding this, it is hard, if not impossible, to do a 1 to 10 women rating system in general. What is possible is to have our own personal rating system and my system works like this (I hereby declare this to be my subjective ratingsystem and this is how it works for me so no need to argue or disagree).

I devide my ratings upon location meaning if I go to Biergarden (BG) I have rather low expectation of the girls in general located on sceene in BG. If I visit Demo, one of the most exclusive hi so nightclubs in BKK and with the best looking females I ever seen in Thailand. In Other venues in BKK where I mostly do my mongering expectations will run from sth between BG and this top noche venue(and maby a tad towards Demo on the upside). My purpose with visiting the diff venues will also come into play(P4P or picking a girl into my regular fleet).

BG I specificaly use for daytime release sessions (ST and 3somes) where my main point is to just get my pipeline cleaned and serviced without any demands of GFE / PSE play whatsoever. With girls from here even I cover up. For 3somes I ofcourse need girls to participate in my pornmovie playing in my head to fulfill my darkside fantasies so a few small demands are to be had. This irritating (and also amuzing) Harold444 I notice use my 8 to 9 ratings of the girls in BG as an example for downgrading the quality of the ladies present and I have many times agreed 8 to 9's according to my system is not seen everyday in BG but they can be had. Depends also on pure luck I guess. What system Harold444 operates under (except falling in love with this exeptional Rainbow GOGO girl) I don't know and have no interest in knowing bcs that is up to him as looks and body ratings are individual. An 8 to 9 girl in my system I would probably rate down to 6-7 at Demo. So if I met the same girl I thought was a stunner according to my BG standards (comparing to the rest of the crowd, standing out from the crowd present, according to my slightly lower expectation from the place and my use of her / them) she would still be doable but nothing more.

Frequenting medium to medium plus places as Climax, Levels, Q-Bar, Infinity (earlier Insomnia) , Shock69, Mixx, Spasso and more(for LT play) my expectations runs higher. In such places I expect some good girl quality, combi of PSE/GFE and here the girl crowd mostly will find itself on a quite good level and a 8 to 9 girl here would be a 7 to 8 at Demo and then they are more than good enough to session up with.

In Demo(where my rating system is developed from when it comes to looks) you have for Thailand the most stunning beauties imaginable and moviestars, models, rich mixed babes and here they go all the way up to 10 (the real thai 10). A girl rating 5 here would be doable but then probably be a bit chubby. If seen in BG she would have atleast been rated as a 7 to 8 and in Climax a fair 6 to 7. Ofcourse in Demo girls can only be met through normal mechanisms as most girls here are well heeled.

I also have a permance ratingsystem but it works surprisingly simular to the girls rating system. In my younger mongeringyears (mostly in USA, Colombia, Venezuela, Brazil) I mostly went for the 9 to 10 girls(developed back then from FHM and simular magazines and later reinvented in Thailand from Demo) back then and often in hi so places. My mongering back then viewed compensating girls for sex was for loosers LOL. Even so it was here I first experienced starfishing so in an odd way a 9 to 10 girl would in some cases run as low as 5 on the performance scale. But the 6, 7, 8 and lowside 9 girls will perform in general around 8 to 9. But lately I see the benefits by paying girls to leave as I don't want to be stringed to any attatchments except from my fleet of regular girls. I leave out one for the crowd through one pic so it is for you guys to rate her? Where do you think we met (Bangkok ofcourse)? Her data is 165cm. 47kg. 29yrs, teached to A+ level (took a while) , lets call her Som, great performer and lives close to Don Muang airport.

[quote=skogis;1415803]since womens looks and beauty are in the eyes of the beholders and everyone have their own opinion regarding this, it is hard, if not impossible, to do a 1 to 10 women rating system in general.[/quote]this is one of the points i was making.

[quote=skogis; 1415803]i divide my ratings upon location meaning if i go to biergarden (bg) i have rather low expectation of the girls in general located on scene in bg. if i visit demo, one of the most exclusive hi so nightclubs in bkk and with the best looking females i ever seen in thailand.

frequenting medium to medium plus places as climax, levels, q-bar, infinity (earlier insomnia) , shock69, mixx, spasso and more (for lt play) my expectations runs higher. in such places i expect some good girl quality, combi of pse / gfe and here the girl crowd mostly will find itself on a quite good level and a 8 to 9 girl here would be a 7 to 8 at demo and then they are more than good enough to session up with.[/quote]another point i was making, an 8 rating for biergarden is not the same as an 8 at one of the g-clubs.

[quote=skogis;1415803]i also have a performance rating system but it works surprisingly similar to the girls rating system.[/quote]i think this is interesting. i would love to learn more about it. a citation or explanation would be appreciated.

[quote=skogis;1415803]i leave out one for the crowd through one pic so it is for you guys to rate her? where do you think we met (bangkok ofcourse)? her data is 165cm. 47kg. 29yrs, teached to a+ level (took a while) , lets call her som, great performer and lives close to don muang airport.[/quote]i'd like to see her naked. it's hard to judge her age. she looks like she might be well north of 30. i could be wrong. judging by the way the dress drapes around her midsection, she may have a bit of a tummy. similarly i'd like to know if her breasts are nice and perky or sort of saggy. on your biergarden scale i'd give her a 10. on your demo scale i'd give her an 8 if her tummy is flat and tight and her breasts are nice and perky. i have no idea where you met her. because she has a classy look about her i'll guess it was not a classy place.