German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[QUOTE=EscapeArtist;2739326]Well if you stay for 3 days, I assume you come from out of town and fall under the horny tourist group. The single roomers were meant to describe locals.[/QUOTE]It's been a long time since I'm not a tourist anymore in Sharks and the other people that I see pretty much every weeks are the same.

If there is an hypothetical shift that have been caused by the price hike it's not a shift in "the true FKK concept", the men that come here still fuck all the girls that they can possibly do, it's a shift in the economical status of the customers. And even that is hypothetical, I see all type of people in the club.

The only people that I see that responds to your description is the turkish that came in the clubs to party with their friends, it seems that the majority of them do only one girls (when they do one).

And concerning that "true FKK concept", the only one that I know of is that the women should be fully naked. You still have some ancient who cry about that, those who listens to them just smile and go their way, I imagine that it will be the same for the price hike in some years.

Maybe they are conserving gas to heat hot water due to the Russian gas crisis and and thus limiting themselves to one room and only one shower. Or possibly two showers (one prezimmer and one nachzimmer shower).

[QUOTE=EscapeArtist;2739326]Well if you stay for 3 days, I assume you come from out of town and fall under the horny tourist group. The single roomers were meant to describe locals.

Remember, I never said that the club at its current state wouldn't attract customers or a large line up. I said that it is destroying the concept of FKK sauna club.

So yes, if the girls can make more money per room, I'the imagine hot girls would definitely want to work there so long as they get enough rooms to make the difference. And that worsens and spreads the problem. Of course girls want to make more money for less work, so these Hessen clubs will continue to draw the best talent from other areas that still offer the true FKK concept. The quality in other areas will suffer due to what's happening in Hessen.

Brothels can be found all over the world. Why ruin FKK concept unique to Germany?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hyperion2007;2739157]Oceans have rebranded itself as "Oceans / GoldenTime" now, they have the two name. That's a scam of course but I imagine that they arrive to dupe some customers.[/QUOTE]The number of people visiting FKK is limited. Unless they got it for a price of peanut, I fail to see the business case of for Ocean to acquire GoldenTime as they are very close to each other.

The main problem of an international punters to visit many German FKK because it is not easily accessible by public transport. You will either need to rent a car or pay a taxi which will reduce the attractiveness of visiting FKK. Is it not better to built a new FKK in another location which is easily accessible by public transport?. Not necessarily in the city centre, as the price of land is very expensive, but close to city centre with easily accessible by public transport will be a good choice.

Another one is to move to other cities like Berlin. Currently Artemis does not have direct FKK competitor. Artemis only competitors is Brothels, Hobby Huren, parties, Swingers Club, Night clubs, etc. This makes the FKK Artemis one of the most expensive FKK in Germany where in fact the cost of Living in Berlin is lower than other cities in Germany. FKK Artenis mskes a smart move making money from international tourists as most of international tourists do not feel to have been visiting Germany without visiting Berlin. Also it is close to city centre and is easily accessible by 24/7 public transport.

If this FKK management such as Ocean try to built a new FKK in Berlin rather than just acquiring GT, they might be more successful.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2739542]The number of people visiting FKK is limited. Unless they got it for a price of peanut, I fail to see the business case of for Ocean to acquire GoldenTime as they are very close to each other.

The main problem of an international punters to visit many German FKK because it is not easily accessible by public transport. You will either need to rent a car or pay a taxi which will reduce the attractiveness of visiting FKK. Is it not better to built a new FKK in another location which is easily accessible by public transport?. Not necessarily in the city centre, as the price of land is very expensive, but close to city centre with easily accessible by public transport will be a good choice.

Another one is to move to other cities like Berlin. Currently Artemis does not have direct FKK competitor. Artemis only competitors is Brothels, Hobby Huren, parties, Swingers Club, Night clubs, etc. This makes the FKK Artemis one of the most expensive FKK in Germany where in fact the cost of Living in Berlin is lower than other cities in Germany. FKK Artenis mskes a smart move making money from international tourists as most of international tourists do not feel to have been visiting Germany without visiting Berlin. Also it is close to city centre and is easily accessible by 24/7 public transport.

If this FKK management such as Ocean try to built a new FKK in Berlin rather than just acquiring GT, they might be more successful.[/QUOTE]Actually Artemis pricing was changed when I was there a couple months ago. Now a bit cheaper for what most guys want — covered sex and BBBJ. Yes it's 70/ half for vanilla. But only 20 more for BBBJ — or 90/ half. I was surprised.

But of course your right. It is a monopoly which is unfortunate.

[QUOTE=Hyperion2007;2739492]It's been a long time since I'm not a tourist anymore in Sharks and the other people that I see pretty much every weeks are the same.

If there is an hypothetical shift that have been caused by the price hike it's not a shift in "the true FKK concept", the men that come here still fuck all the girls that they can possibly do, it's a shift in the economical status of the customers. And even that is hypothetical, I see all type of people in the club.

The only people that I see that responds to your description is the turkish that came in the clubs to party with their friends, it seems that the majority of them do only one girls (when they do one).

And concerning that "true FKK concept", the only one that I know of is that the women should be fully naked. You still have some ancient who cry about that, those who listens to them just smile and go their way, I imagine that it will be the same for the price hike in some years.[/QUOTE]Sorry, out-of-town visitor can be substituted if "tourist" seems condescending to you.

The biggest shift in demographic I've see are more young ethnically middle eastern men there to party. I don't think that was an economic shift to more affluent people. Those are the clientele that far outnumber the rest as the club makes most of it's entry money at night when those guys are there.

FKK Sauna club concept is not the same as FKK. FKK means nude but FKK Sauna Club was the concept conceived at Bernd's decades ago where public sex with multiple women was the norm. That concept has gradually been diluted but the current state of Hessen clubs only nominally channels that concept.

I mean, we can reason paying more money all we want to feel better about paying more, but the fact remains, Hessen clubs are now more brothels than FKK sauna clubs. I'm not sure if you were in clubs over 10 years ago but even Hessen was different. If the current state is what you want, that's cool, but there's no denying that it's lost what it once was.

[QUOTE=DrPoon;2739411]Seems like a bad deal to take three licenses (Oceans, LR, and GT) and compress them down to one consolidated location which makes less money.[/QUOTE]They own only GT, not LR license. GT is on day until 11 pm and Oceans after. Only 1 entry 60 for both clubs.

Greetings, gentlemen. I'm an experienced monger throughout Latin America. I'm very interested in trying out FKKs. I've read many of the forums. And I have maybe an odd question. As my monger experiences have evolved, I have come to enjoy the hunt. I've never been to an FKK so zero intelligence. My question: during the down times, are there interactions with the girls? Obviously, they are there to make money. And I have no intentions of paying them $70+ to sit and talk. But do the interactions ever last more than a 3-minute intro? I'm not a trophy hunter and I'm willing to sacrifice looks for a bit of chemistry. Is there a specific FKK that might fit that profile more than others?

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2740086]Greetings, gentlemen. I'm an experienced monger throughout Latin America. I'm very interested in trying out FKKs. I've read many of the forums. And I have maybe an odd question. As my monger experiences have evolved, I have come to enjoy the hunt. I've never been to an FKK so zero intelligence. My question: during the down times, are there interactions with the girls? Obviously, they are there to make money. And I have no intentions of paying them $70+ to sit and talk. But do the interactions ever last more than a 3-minute intro? I'm not a trophy hunter and I'm willing to sacrifice looks for a bit of chemistry. Is there a specific FKK that might fit that profile more than others?

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]You are too late for Living Room.

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2740086]Greetings, gentlemen. I'm an experienced monger throughout Latin America. I'm very interested in trying out FKKs. I've read many of the forums. And I have maybe an odd question. As my monger experiences have evolved, I have come to enjoy the hunt. I've never been to an FKK so zero intelligence. My question: during the down times, are there interactions with the girls? Obviously, they are there to make money. And I have no intentions of paying them $70+ to sit and talk. But do the interactions ever last more than a 3-minute intro? I'm not a trophy hunter and I'm willing to sacrifice looks for a bit of chemistry. Is there a specific FKK that might fit that profile more than others?
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]

In FKK there is no such kind of rip off ladies drink, like when you visit a night club. That makes it FKK a unique experience, you could spend the whole day / night watching ladies with sexy lingerie sometimes naked without being pushed to spend more money. You pay EUR40-70 (in average EUR 50 depending on FKK) for half hour for their services in the bedroom, you pay nothing chatting with them in the bar / showroom.

As a general rule (if not all) the FKK girls are not allowed to be pushy by the management. In some FKKs there is even a no approach policy. So in order for them to approach you and sitting next to you, you will need to be the first mover. You could for instance, keep an eye contact, beckon her on the right time.

But certainly there are some sharks who will try their best if they know that you are new. What you will need to do is just to talk nicely for a few minutes and try to signal that you are not interested. If it does not work just try to make an accuse such as go to the toilet, want to look for your friends, take some foods, take some drinks. There are many accuses you could think of without being rude they will see the signal if you are not interested.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2740234]In FKK there is no such kind of rip off ladies drink, like when you visit a night club. That makes it FKK a unique experience, you could spend the whole day / night watching ladies with sexy lingerie sometimes naked without being pushed to spend more money. You pay EUR40-70 (in average EUR 50 depending on FKK) for half hour for their services in the bedroom, you pay nothing chatting with them in the bar / showroom.

As a general rule (if not all) the FKK girls are not allowed to be pushy by the management. In some FKKs there is even a no approach policy. So in order for them to approach you and sitting next to you, you will need to be the first mover. You could for instance, keep an eye contact, beckon her on the right time.

But certainly there are some sharks who will try their best if they know that you are new. What you will need to do is just to talk nicely for a few minutes and try to signal that you are not interested. If it does not work just try to make an accuse such as go to the toilet, want to look for your friends, take some foods, take some drinks. There are many accuses you could think of without being rude they will see the signal if you are not interested.[/QUOTE]I m pretty sure Globe ask their girls to ask for drink, when many ask now, maybe because less entries than before, despite porn events to attract voyeurs. Some clubs close to french border are known as picolo clubs. I hate to pay for alcohol, when I much prefer cyprine tasting sticky honey.

I don't take a watch into the room with me to make a point of making the girl aware of the time, but I am curious if anyone else does? When I was in FKK's at the weekend I was, on occasion, observing times girls were being taken to rooms and they nearly always appeared again between 15-20 minutes later. What is your opinion on this, does it not matter as long as you had a good time and received the expected service or do you feel slightly cheated if you do but feel later that you should have had the full time? Do you have a strategy to ensure total VFM? If so maybe it is the same as mine?

[QUOTE=Abox79;2740291]I don't take a watch into the room with me to make a point of making the girl aware of the time, but I am curious if anyone else does? When I was in FKK's at the weekend I was, on occasion, observing times girls were being taken to rooms and they nearly always appeared again between 15-20 minutes later. What is your opinion on this, does it not matter as long as you had a good time and received the expected service or do you feel slightly cheated if you do but feel later that you should have had the full time? Do you have a strategy to ensure total VFM? If so maybe it is the same as mine?[/QUOTE]I usually wear a watch when out and about at all times just to keep track of time for my own benefit. So yes, when I go to the room I will have my watch on. Sometimes I take it off in the room, and sometimes not. But, I always have a watch with me. And I will wear a nice one too so that the girls will see me as someone with money LOL! I've received many compliments on my watches from Romanian tutes. One at World said she would fuck me for my watch. I informed her that she would have to fuck several times a week for a year in order to get any consideration for the watch haha! Then another hottie at Samya asked me if I would give her my watch after we had finished screwing. I laughed in her face LOL! Then there was the infamous "Alexandra" or "Alexandria" at Palace who decided to insult me by saying that my watch was fake when I turned her down for a session hehehe! But yes, I take a watch with me to the room because I always have one with me anyway, and it does provide a side benefit in that I can use it to track the time. I don't do that formally or make some show of doing that to send some message to the girl, but yes having it there helps in that regard.

Thank you Sirioja. So you would not advocate my visiting Oceans and GT at all? What other options I have? What about Cologne? Is it worthwhile spending a day there?

I have to depend upon public transportation and therefore cannot travel to remote areas. What about Sky Sauna? Is it worth visiting? Please advise.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2738310]Except at Babylon Elsdorf or Bernds, both around Koln, in other clubs girls are not naked because NRW is north compare to Hessen. Few prettier girls at Gold than at Sharks, even less quantity. Other places to discover in NRW.[/QUOTE]

Does it mean GT closes after 11 PM, while Oceans opens at 11 PM? Is it not worthwhile visiting these two clubs if entrance is only Euro 60? Are the girls naked in these clubs?

Appreciate feedback.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2739645]They own only GT, not LR license. GT is on day until 11 pm and Oceans after. Only 1 entry 60 for both clubs.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Abox79;2740291]I don't take a watch into the room with me to make a point of making the girl aware of the time, but I am curious if anyone else does? When I was in FKK's at the weekend I was, on occasion, observing times girls were being taken to rooms and they nearly always appeared again between 15-20 minutes later. What is your opinion on this, does it not matter as long as you had a good time and received the expected service or do you feel slightly cheated if you do but feel later that you should have had the full time? Do you have a strategy to ensure total VFM? If so maybe it is the same as mine?[/QUOTE]I usually take a watch with me but it is only for me to know the exact time I was in the room with the girl. I stopped arguing with girls over time; for me it made no sense. I just moved on to the next girl as management would not assist. But at 100/30 and 200/60 to be short timed would be quite agonizing.