Stupid shit in Medellin

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2633303]But you also have to remember just because someone is doing the fraudulent thing does not mean it is the wrong thing. Or someone doing the right thing now may not be considered the right thing later on.

There were plenty in history that were doing what their societies considered the right thing at the time but looking back turned out being a fucked up thing to be doing. The right thing at the time would have been those people turning Anne Frank's family over to the authorities instead of hiding them. The right thing in early American history would have been people like Harriet Tubman turning in runaway slaves instead of helping them. Many times right and wrong depend on the perspective.

If you feel you are being unfairly treated should you just stand idle and abide by it or find a work around? Can't get mad at the slaves for running off the plantation; or can you?[/QUOTE]When I read or hear stuff like this, it always strikes me as coming from people who just don't want to be accountable. They're the same ones who will say things like there is no such thing as "truth" or "right and wrong". No, they just don't want to be held accountable for their actions in the moment. I'm one of those people who does believe in truth and what's right and wrong. I'm not saying that they're easy to find and identify, or even necessarily always remain the same, but they do exist, and we as people need to strive to find them. You just strike me as the kind of guy who is always going to prioritize what you want to do above anything else, then try to muddy the waters by suggesting that maybe what's right really isn't, and vice versa, and make it all about you and your rights and how you're being treated so badly. The typical American. Far more concerned about your rights and self-expression, and not concerned enough about your obligations and self-restraint.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2633024] Yes, vaccinated people can get the disease but it is less likely that they will. And, if they do, it is less likely they will be contagious.[/QUOTE]That is complete bullshit. If the vaccinated were less likely to get the disease, the case numbers for 2021 would be lower than 2020 not just in the USA but the world.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2633188]In the Netherlands, health authorities called for pre-flight COVID-19 tests for all travel from outside the European Union, after it turned out that most of the passengers who tested positive after arriving on two flights from South Africa on Nov. 26 had been vaccinated.

Did they get vaxxed with sewer water? Aka Sinovax ROTFLMMFAO.[/QUOTE]Probably. I am shocked, shocked the vaccine did not work. Maybe if we get people 10 more boosters it will.

When you're wrong, you're wrong:

[URL]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32772245/tampa-bay-buccaneers-wr-antonio-brown-suspended-3-games-covid-19-violation?platform=amp[/URL]

[QUOTE=TheCane;2633229]Speaking of sewer water, if there's anybody here who thinks getting vaccinated is 100% protection from getting sick, here's what I want them to do. First, get a cholera shot, or maybe you already have one. Then next, go to some poor, underdeveloped country in say Africa or somewhere in Asia. And then, start drinking from the same rivers, ditches, and holes that they drink from. And let's see what happens. Don't tell me that having the cholera vaccine means you absolutely can't get it! I know better. The risk is still there. Same with other diseases. I just got vaccinated against shingles, and they out and out tell you that there is no guarantee that you won't get shingles. And in the unlikely event that you do get it, then the vaccine will help you fight it and get through it. That's how vaccines work. They aren't guaranteed shields against contracting a disease, but they offer an awful lot of protection, and make it far less likely that you will get sick. But if you do, then thank your lucky stars you got that shot! Because, it could save your life (or that of somebody you love).[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.newsmax.com/politics/mittromney-dalio-china/2021/12/02/id/1047142/[/URL]

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2633274][URL]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem[/URL][/QUOTE]Yeah, so an [I]ad hominem[/I] attack would be if I attacked TK and not his sources. Like if I said TK was an ignorant, uneducated, dangerous piece of shit. Now [B]that[/B] would be an [I] ad hominem[/I] attack. Instead, I am questioning his sources. You fucking idiot.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2633308]So you are saying THE TESTS I take every week that say I do not have the disease and the symptoms that I do not have are wrong? But the test Jj had that said he was positive and the the symptoms that he had indicating it were right? I think I am getting it now. You are asserting a heads I win, tails you lose thing![/QUOTE]I am saying that between the incubation period and the one week testing interval, combined with asymptomatic transmission, you unvaccinated people are still a danger to those around you. Once a week ain't shit.

Like if you eat tacos in Tijuana. You could take immodium first. Or you could not take immodium. If you don't take immodium you might shit your pants. And just because you went to Tijuana and did not take immodium, and ate tacos, and did not shit your pants, does not mean you won't shit your pants the next time. And just like you can't get vaccinated for COVID once you have it and are intubated, you can't unshit your pants.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2633314]Man your logic and reasoning sometimes. Here's the thing. The focus has to be on who [B]is[/B] getting it and dying from it. That's by far and above the unvaccinated, and they're contracting it at rate that's still too high and threatens to overwhelm the healthcare system quickly. I don't think we need anymore major shutdowns but vaccination, masking, testing, and distancing combined with sensible travel restrictions to slow global spread is the only way out of this thing. And everyone needs to do their part, including world leaders getting people in the poorer countries vaccinated as well. We're not safe until everybody is safe![/QUOTE]What a load of BS!

The vaccine won't stop the vaccinated people from getting infected and infecting others with corona. So no, it doesn't matter to me if someone else is unvaccinated.

If the vaccine truly worked so great I should be able to travel freely across the world by just showing my passport and vaccination status. But that's not the case isn't it?

[URL]https://www.rt.com/sport/542051-vaccination-antonio-brown-suspension/[/URL]

Here is some Yankee ball juggler who got suspended for three games for using a fake Vax card. Now, as I don't want to be suspended for three games, I would not use a fake card. However, for the "gas them all" lobby, please note the dude went to a Halloween party. It is people like him, vaxed or unvaxed, who mingle who are the risk. That said, I am going to bang a local Asian provider this afternoon.

[QUOTE=ShooBree;2633275]You are also extremely full of yourself.[/QUOTE]Well informed vs ill informed?

Eye of the beholder! Jajajajajaaa.

[URL]https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.11.20062133v1[/URL]

Main outcome measures Estimated acute care and intensive care hospitalizations, COVID-19 attributable deaths, and infections among healthcare workers from 10 April until 29 June.

Findings Our model for Sweden shows that, under conservative epidemiological parameter estimates, the current Swedish public-health strategy will result in a peak intensive-care load in May that exceeds pre-pandemic capacity by over 40-fold, with a median mortality of 96,000 (95% CI 52,000 to 183,000). The most stringent public-health measures examined are predicted to reduce mortality by approximately three-fold. Intensive-care load at the peak could be reduced by over two-fold with a shorter period at peak pandemic capacity.

Its funny how the scaremongers turned out to be, what's not funny is that governments across the world actually listened to their BS.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2633318]When I read or hear stuff like this, it always strikes me as coming from people who just don't want to be accountable. They're the same ones who will say things like there is no such thing as "truth" or "right and wrong". No, they just don't want to be held accountable for their actions in the moment. I'm one of those people who does believe in truth and what's right and wrong. I'm not saying that they're easy to find and identify, or even necessarily always remain the same, but they do exist, and we as people need to strive to find them. You just strike me as the kind of guy who is always going to prioritize what you want to do above anything else, then try to muddy the waters by suggesting that maybe what's right really isn't, and vice versa, and make it all about you and your rights and how you're being treated so badly. The typical American. Far more concerned about your rights and self-expression, and not concerned enough about your obligations and self-restraint.[/QUOTE]Well of course. I am not waking up every morning living my life for Joe down the street; I am living my life for me. So you prioritize your life around other people? More power to you. As long as a person is not infringing on others then why should they not live their life how they see fit? It is like the saying I see on this board all the time, I spend my money how I want. You should also spend your life how you want. It is yours to do as you please.

Where did I all of a sudden pick up some obligations and accountability that I did not sign up for and what are they? That sounds like some communist stuff. I live in a capitalistic constitutional republic where I am free to exercise my rights, and exercise them is what I shall do until the day I die. What I just ate for breakfast is not going to make anyone else's bowels move.

Of course their is a such thing as truth or rather facts, but right and wrong depends on the perspective. From the perspective of Britain it was dead wrong for the colonists to be unaccountable in not honoring their obligation to pay their taxes and to take up arms against them, but from the colonists' perspective it was the right thing to do. Whose perspective of right and wrong is the one that matters or the true one and how is that decided?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2633541]Well of course. I am not waking up every morning living my life for Joe down the street; I am living my life for me. So you prioritize your life around other people? More power to you. As long as a person is not infringing on others then why should they not live their life how they see fit? It is like the saying I see on this board all the time, I spend my money how I want. You should also spend your life how you want. It is yours to do as you please.

Where did I all of a sudden pick up some obligations and accountability that I did not sign up for and what are they? That sounds like some communist stuff. I live in a capitalistic constitutional republic where I am free to exercise my rights, and exercise them is what I shall do until the day I die. What I just ate for breakfast is not going to make anyone else's bowels move.

Of course their is a such thing as truth or rather facts, but right and wrong depends on the perspective. From the perspective of Britain it was dead wrong for the colonists to be unaccountable in not honoring their obligation to pay their taxes and to take up arms against them, but from the colonists' perspective it was the right thing to do. Whose perspective of right and wrong is the one that matters or the true one and how is that decided?[/QUOTE]You have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! And don't get caught using your fake vaccination card. That might result in you getting banned from going to one or more of your favorite mongering destinations around the world.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2633314]The focus has to be on who [B]is[/B] getting it and dying from it. That's by far and above the unvaccinated, and they're contracting it at rate that's still too high and threatens to overwhelm the healthcare system quickly.[/QUOTE]You made a similar statement before. Where is the data to substantiate that claim?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2633328]That is complete bullshit. If the vaccinated were less likely to get the disease, the case numbers for 2021 would be lower than 2020 not just in the USA but the world.[/QUOTE]The sheeple keep repeating the same propagandised mistruths. It is illuminating that they just trot out the tropes, and never provide any evidence. Bcos such evidence does not exist. They keep repeating that they are less liikely to get infected, when what they mean is that they are less likely to get infected in the short term than a unvaxd and vulnerable person who has no natural immunity. So when you stack the cards in your favour, sure you are going to win. But that is not the real world. In the long term we are all going to get it and therefore we are all just as likely. . Same goes for the lie that the unvaxd are more contagious when they have it, the non-science that masks work (all RCTs ever conducted show no evidence that they work).

Slowly, the smarter people will wake up to what is going on. It might take them a couple more jabs, a few deaths of their vaxd family and friends, but eventually they will question WTF were they thinking? That they have fall enfor another pile of government BS, that they have been duped.

About quotes. What does it matter who said / wrote a quote? What is important are the words, not the morality of the person. Even the words greatest humanitarian leaders did some terrible things. And some of the world's most evll people had brilliant minds. Joseph Goebbels was one of the sharpest oraticians.

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and / or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State. ".

"Propaganda works best when those who are being manipulated are confident they are acting on their own free will. ".

"To be a socialist is to submit the I to the thou; socialism is sacrificing the individual to the whole. ".

"Faith moves mountains, but only knowledge moves them to the right place. ".

[URL]https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Joseph_Goebbels[/URL]