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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2088918]Will someone please explain to me, "See you when you see me. " After all these years I am afraid that I still do not get it.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2088957]Using my Thenglish skills, I think it means she will see you again when you come back to see her.[/QUOTE]Agreed. While the statement itself is a pithy truism; I would take it to mean she is not going to stalk or otherwise contact you, but is also a coy invite for you to contact her.
SL.
[QUOTE=Abcce398;2088864]Hi all,
Not my first post on ISG, but it's nice to mix things up. After a few experiences in Pattaya I thought I'd share a summary of what I have found. Seems many new people come to the forums with basic questions and they might appreciate a high level summary. Just a disclaimer, this is my experience and it is in no way exhaustive or definitive, nor do I claim it is. There is not substitute for reading more of these forums and doing your own research. I just hope it might be helpful to some.
[/QUOTE]Nice summary Abcce398, very useful to have an overall guide every now and then to help the research.
[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2088993]Agreed. While the statement itself is a pithy truism; I would take it to mean she is not going to stalk or otherwise contact you, but is also a coy invite for you to contact her.[/QUOTE]LOL. I would hope there would be no stalking involved. The waitress at the place I eat every morning said it to me. In the hood we would say see you when I see you, so the see you when you see me thing has always thrown me off. Probably because you may well not see me when I see you.
Anyway. I rode through Soi 6 just after 1am last night. Pretty much everything was closed except for Nightwish and a handful of other bars. They must be giving the cops a pretty coin. Even still, as usual, I had no problem spotting plenty of chicks that I would bang. Had just dropped a wechat chick off at her room so I was good. Also around that time there were a lot of chicks leaving their LK Metro gigs. I am sure some could be gotten for the low without a pesky barfine.
As usual here, bars, restaurants, and other businesses are closing down and others are opening up. My favorite Italian place closed down and another one opened just down the street from it. Me and one of my chicks are eating here now and as could be guessed, we are the only ones here. What would make them believe they would do any better than the last place? You would have to be really daring to open a business around this place.
55 female hookers arrested Thursday night and 50 more Friday night on Beach Roads in Pattaya and Jomtien and along Walking Street. Police gave the reason "The prostitution crackdown followed complaints that street prostitutes caused public nuisance as they always annoyed tourists. ".
A nuisance? Not that I walk Beach Road much but I can't recall hookers calling me to come talk to them or grabbing me as I walk by. They just smile hoping you come talk to them.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2089159]55 female hookers arrested Thursday night and 50 more Friday night on Beach Roads in Pattaya and Jomtien and along Walking Street. Police gave the reason "The prostitution crackdown followed complaints that street prostitutes caused public nuisance as they always annoyed tourists."
A nuisance? Not that I walk Beach Road much but I can't recall hookers calling me to come talk to them or grabbing me as I walk by. They just smile hoping you come talk to them.[/QUOTE]The girls tend to run and the police will run after them.
Had an experience where the police was questioning a freelancer around beach road when I was there and I acted like her boyfriend, then the police went on to the next target.
Something must have happened that they decided to do some 'work'.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2089159]55 female hookers arrested Thursday night and 50 more Friday night on Beach Roads in Pattaya and Jomtien and along Walking Street. Police gave the reason "The prostitution crackdown followed complaints that street prostitutes caused public nuisance as they always annoyed tourists. "[/QUOTE]Pretty amazing. I was at Jomtien Beach Rd last night and there was not 1 cop in sight. Only a bunch of fucking water. Had to leave my bike behind and pay a passing baht bus 300 baht to get out of there.
Hi all,
This is part 2, following on from my previous post, this one is about Pattaya logistics. The same disclaimer, this is my experience and it is in no way exhaustive or definitive, nor do I claim it is. There is no substitute for reading more of these forums and doing your own research. I just hope it might be helpful to some.
Getting to Pattaya from BKK, I prefer booking one of the many available private taxi services for the benefit of someone waiting for me and not having to negotiate with, and trust the airport taxis. Price will be in the 1200-1500 range. For the price conscious, there are a couple of bus services that seemed OK, but if you miss one bus, the next one might not be for another hour or more. Private taxis booked at the airport are expensive.
Accommodation in Pattaya, choose a hotel at your price point and check the reviews. You will find some bad reviews for every hotel, but look at the overall picture. Don't get caught out by hotels with great scores but only few reviews. Expect the many cheap hotels to be quite basic. Things get better around $40+ a night. Check the hotel is joiner friendly (you can bring a guest free of charge, but usually only one); most hotels are. Resort hotels tend not to be.
Consider AirBnB for better value for money and no joiner fees even for multiple joiners. There are some nice condos that can be had very cheap. But on the flipside, lots of apartment blocks have "No AirBnB" signs plastered all over the place and you will be on your own if you have problems with the girls. If you are not alone then it is less of a concern.
Getting around Pattaya, take the "baht bus". Tuk tuks that make a circle on Beach Rd and Second Rd (Sai Song). Just wait on the side of the road and some of them will honk to get your attention; wave and they will stop. Jump in the back and ring the buzzer when you want to get off. Cost is 10 baht. Have some coins handy otherwise you run the risk of getting back a handful of 1 baht coins as change or no change at all.
Some tuk tuks that go up Second Rd will head North instead of coming around Beach Rd, you can always ask the driver when you get on or play tuk tuk roulette and jump off when you notice it is going in the wrong direction. They do seem to have numbers also, so you could do your research and learn the routes.
Be careful about getting into a tuk tuk parked on the side of the road or entering negotiations with a tuk tuk that stops to pick you up. Sometimes as little as asking if he is going past a particular place can be "interpreted" as a private hire which can then cost you 200-300+ baht rather than 10. The taximeters around the place do not use the meter, so forget that. Motorbike taxis can be much more reasonable if you don't mind riding without a helmet and if you are savvy about the prices. Trips should be around 40-50 for short distances. And now Pattaya even has a few Ubers!
Food, nice and cheap. Depending how strong of stomach you are, you can take your chances with street food or one of the many cheap Thai restaurants all over the place. The next level are probably the food courts available in the malls, like downstairs at Central Festival. You load some cash on the card they give you and then you can choose from the many available options. The cash left over is refundable when you exit or you can keep the card for next day.
Going to level 6 of Central Festival will give you a wide selection of higher end, mostly Asian restaurants (lots of Japanese) and Bon Chon chicken on level 7. Korean style fried chicken, try it! There are then some more expensive European places around, Hopf Brew House, Kitchen, Wine Connection, etc. Hooters for wings and at least one cute CIS waitress last time I was there. Obviously not complete, have a look on the Internet and the forums.
Mobile phone, I consider Internet access to be indispensable for finding your way around, and also finding and communicating with girls, see previous post. Never pay crazy roaming charges! There are several phone companies in Thailand and most, if not all, of them seem to offer some sort of tourist deal, usually 7 days unlimited Internet for around 300-400 baht. Pretty amazing. I have been very satisfied with DTAC, I think they have a 7-day and a 14-day tourist offering.
There is a DTAC shop in Central Festival, but you need to take your passport. Pissed me off since driver's license used to be sufficient. If you'd rather be anonymous, for a bit more you can get a no questions asked DTAC SIM in Mike Shopping Mall, go up a few levels, or on South Pattaya Rd. Make sure they activate it and check it is working before you leave.
Money exchange, a commonly asked question. Don't exchange money at the airport or on Walking St! If you have USD, EUR, GBP then the rates at various exchange booths can be very good. (Probably also other currencies, AUD, yen, but cannot tell from experience.) Better than what you can do at an ATM even if your card has no ATM and FX fees. If your card has those then don't even bring it on holidays! Unfortunately, the Thai ATM's charge a fee of around 200 baht per withdrawal and most have a limit of 20,000 baht, so that is 1% already, on top of whatever rate you get from your bank. You will do better exchanging cash.
Go up Beach Rd or Second Rd a little bit and have a look at the exchange rates. Be mindful some will offer quite bad rates, relatively speaking, while others will be super close to the mid-market rate. Also, some will have special rates on certain currencies, usually USD, that are very good one day but then revert to not so good the next day, so keep monitoring. You will soon get a feel for what is a good rate. Most will offer a better rate for $50/100 notes than for lower denominations, so bring those if you are bringing USD.
If you have a card with no FX fees and charges, you can use that card for purchases, especially in restaurants, pharmacies, malls, etc. It used to be no issue to use cards if they had the card reader machine, but unfortunately now I have encountered quite a few places where "the machine does not work. " But try anyway.
Bring your own condoms, they are reasonably expensive in Thailand and may be of a poorer quality and different size. That being said, pharmacies are everywhere and they sell an assortment of condoms and lubricant. In terms of medication for your friend in the basement, you are able to buy Viagra and Cialis in pharmacies, but the brand stuff will be expensive. The generic brands are much cheaper, Kamagra and Apcalis, respectively. If you have issues with the large pharmacies in shopping malls, just try a smaller pharmacy on the street.
You can easily get all sorts of other medication from pharmacies without prescription, including antibiotics. If you need to see a doctor, the hospitals are set up to deal with tourists and the fee will be reasonable. Keep receipts to claim on travel insurance. Dental is also reasonably priced.
Along Beach Rd, you will find any number of street vendors that also sell these medicines. The branded stuff is likely substituted with the generic at best and completely fake at worst. However, the generic Kamagra is cheap and readily available, so it may be fine. Check the prices and compare with the pharmacy prices. Some people swear by the Kamagra jelly sachets taken just before heading to the hotel with your girl. Cialis is also about to come off patent so you may soon find much cheaper generics in your own country.
Barber shops, they are around. A reasonable one is on South Pattaya Rd between Beach Rd and Second Rd, so perfectly placed for a shave before heading into Walking St. They are open until 9/10 pm and they have a schedule of prices on the wall.
Massages, at less than $10 an hour, a must have. But what about the massages with happy endings? How to tell apart the real massage places from the ones where more is possible? Getting it wrong either way can be amusing and frustrating. Look at the venue and the masseuses and you're 90% of the way there. The real massage places are usually larger, have glass walls, many massage chairs visible from outside and have mostly older women with little make-up as masseuses. They also tend to be less aggressive about getting you to come in. If you see a place with fewer masseuses, but younger, wearing make-up, bright lipstick, and they are practically trying to drag you in, then you most likely have stumbled across a place with additional, special services.
I did not address massages with happy endings in my previous post. Yet another fun day activity in Pattaya. The premise is that of a massage, and while it starts out the same (the quality of the actual massage is often poorer), it soon ends up focusing on areas that reputable masseuses avoid. The extra services range from nothing, if you find yourself there by accident and make it clear you are not interested, to sex if you agree on the price, with hand job and blow job somewhere in between. These extra services are not included in the massage price, maybe a hand job if you get lucky, and should be negotiated with the girl. As always, if you find a girl you like, you may be able to "bar fine" her or definitely organise to see her after work or the next day.
Tips, they are always appreciated by everyone, but are not instituted the same way they are in the US and they certainly are not a percentage of the transaction amount. So no, if your bar bill is 2000, you are not expected to leave 400 tip.
Scams, exercise a level of common sense and be alert. It is not a major problem, but it happens. You might be short-changed, you might be overcharged for taxis, you might be pick-pocketed, you might be told a tourist attraction is closed and taken instead to some market (a favourite in BKK), you might be sold some trinket for 10 times its worth, you might end up paying thousands for a "free" sex show. So keep your wits about you, don't flash cash, jewellery, expensive watches and phones. Leave such things in the room safe. Don't put valuables in your back pocket.
If you are going to rent a jetski or a scooter, they love to ask for your passport as collateral. And then you might just end up with a large charge for "damage". Pay up or you don't get your passport. You will then have to negotiate your way out of it, pay, or get the police involved. Best, never leave your passport with anyone. Renting a scooter is quite popular, but I would suggest avoiding it. It is officially illegal to ride a scooter without a *motorcycle* license and a helmet, even if they don't ask you for one when you rent it. The roads are crazy and you might end up riding drunk also.
The police is "subsidised" by everyone else doing business and making money in Pattaya, so don't expect any particular favours. They will be sure to pull you over to check your license and fine you for not having a helmet, all the while dozens of Thais without helmets are riding around you. The regular police will be helpful if being unhelpful would end up causing them more trouble later. However, you may get better assistance from the Tourist Police who are ostensibly there to help tourists. You will notice some of the officers are not Thai and they are there to create a better experience for those visiting.
General safety, you should be fine if you use common sense and not go looking for trouble. Thais tend to avoid conflict, so if there is any disagreement, smile and talk it out politely. Saving face is very important for them, so don't try to humiliate or publicly show they did something wrong. Remember you are not in your own country.
No matter what, do not get into a physical altercation!! I cannot stress that enough. I have seen a 7 ft muscle-bound jock be kicked in the head by a 5 ft Thai bouncer, and that during the milliseconds it took another 5 or 6 Thais to appear and beat him until the police arrived.
In reality, you are more likely to have issues with groups of drunk guys from your own / other countries. Everyone is in Pattaya to have a good time, but machismo is unfortunately live and well, and alcohol does not help. Walk away, defuse the situation.
[QUOTE=Abcce398;2089413]Hi all,
This is part 2, following on from my previous post, this one is about Pattaya logistics.
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[/QUOTE]Thanks for very useful information for Pattaya newbees. Much appreciate it.
Arrived in Pattaya yesterday and I can really use a lot of these info / tips.6
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2043731]One of my buddies was itching to get to Misty's so we went ahead and left the other two guys in Sapphire. As soon as we walked in I saw a chick across the room in regular clothes drinking a beer. I went straight for her. Turns out she is friends (even though she spoke of her as her mother) with a mamasan there and came to visit, but the lady was not there. She said when she first came to Pattaya 5 years ago she worked at a bar on Soi 6 for 2 weeks when a guy from England came and saved her and started taking care of her. I do not know when that fell off, but she claims to work at a hotel in Jomtien now.
I ordered a cider and my buddy ordered a Schweppes. The girl was between us. Later on she was telling me how they kept asking her if she knew me and she said yes. Otherwise if I would have left out with her they would have wanted a barfine. (Sidenote: Friday I got a chick off Wechat that works freelance at a bar on Drinking Street. She said she goes there whenever she wants to but do not serve customers as the employees of the bar, but a guy has to pay a barfine if he wants her to leave with him.) At this point the manager started bringing us free drinks. She told me that she had 3 bottles of liquor saved at Lucifer but would have to go to her friend's bar on Soi 7 to get the ticket.
Meanwhile my buddy was playing wildly with a naked chick. There is a little sticky rubber thing that you throw at the chick's bare private parts. Damn Thailand. He decided to barfine the chick and go back to his condo. I had messaged a guy that I met last week and told him to come through Misty's. Right after my other friend left he showed up. I told him that we had to go get the ticket and to meet us at Lucifer in 30 minutes.
When we got to the bar on Soi 7 it was almost closing time. My girl got the ticket and two of her friends said they would come along shortly with a guy from Switzerland who was courting the best looking one. We got to Lucifer and they brought one of the bottles out along with mixers and ice which I paid 400 baht for. I noticed on the electronic billboard that they now have a VIP card. I asked the waitress about it and she showed me the menu where every drink purchased with a VIP card is 30 baht less. The VIP card is 300 baht, so it pays for itself in 10 drinks. I had her take me to the service desk and sign me up.
Meanwhile, my buddy was fucking with a chick from the table next to ours. When I got back from getting my VIP card my girl started going on about how the chick my buddy is with keeps looking at me and I can go with her if I want. I am like what the fuck? It was time for more mixers and when the bill came I remembered my new VIP card and tried to whip it out. My girl kept saying not to worry because the guy from Switzerland was paying for it. I said I don't give a fuck we can still get it for less. She insisted though. She still kept going on about that other chick. When the first bottle was empty they asked the waitress to bring the second. I said hell no that is enough. It was damn near 5 am. My girl said let's go then. Cool.
As we rode down Pattaya Tai, she wanted me to stop at the market for food. I said fuck that. Then she kept saying that she wants to go home. I said no way; you are coming to my place. We got to my place and she still kept talking about going home. We got in the room and got undressed and took showers then she started putting her clothes back on saying she was going home. I said fuck it then and put on my clothes and walked her outside. I jumped on my bike and went to Flexx to get another chick. This is why you do not stay out all night letting chicks get drunk.
Last night she hit me up saying that her friend reserved a VIP booth at Lucifer and asked if I wanted to come. I told her hell no. Next time I see her I do not want her to be drinking. I want her sober. She was going to come spend today with me and do couple stuff, but my chick from last night just left not long ago. Report on that coming soon.[/QUOTE]The story above happened in June. A couple of days later we went to the movies together and I dropped her off at home after. She said she would come spend the night the next day. The next day comes and I did not contact her. I probably contacted her a couple of days later. She said that she had been sick. Hmm. I am getting sick too. As a matter of fact I was getting terribly sick. Coughing like never before, chills, pools of sweat in my bed at night. Eventually I had to start sleeping with a towel wrapped around my body and change towels in the middle of the night. Chicks that I know would come take care of me the nights I felt like being bothered. I went to my doctor and got an injection and a slew of medicine. 3 days later I went back to the States still sick and crazy coughing. It continued almost 1 month when I finally went to my doctor there and he said it was probably too cold in the movie theater. I told him it sure was. He said to bring a jacket next time. He gave me injections and medicine and it cleared up from there.
Since I have been gone the chick has been saying how much she missed me and whatever asking when I would return. I come back last weekend and went to 808 with my brother and the chick he had wifed up since it was his last day. I told the chick from before that I was back and in 808 and to come. I thought she was on her way but soon she sent a message asking where I was. I told her I was waiting for her in 808. She told me to come to iBar because she was too drunk. So we headed to iBar. On the way out of 808 I met one more chick that was coming in. I stopped to talk to her and got her Line. (The next report will be about this chick.).
Got to iBar and my girl was with 2 chicks, an older lady that appeared to be a mamasan, and a tomboy. I ordered drinks for me, my brother, his girl, and my girl. She told me to buy drinks for the other people to. I said no way. I am not about to fuck the other people. The tomboy ordered a drink and I decided to pay for that. My girl was saying how her friend liked my brother but he had brought someone with him. It was about 3:30 am and my brother had to head back to his hotel to get ready because he would be leaving for the airport soon. About 4 am I told my girl let's go ahead and go to the room. Do you know that biotch told me 3000 baht! Talking about you know Pattaya lady working. I didn't say anything. I just walked out. Two days later she sent a message asking how I was doing. I said good, but I do not have 3000 baht. She said LOL and that has been that.
I left iBar and went back to 808 to find someone. Things had dwindled down so I headed to Flexx. I ran into the girl from earlier at 808. I told her to come with me but she wanted to stay there drinking. I finally said fuck it. I am taking my ass home. I walked out the door and down the steps. There was a chick about to go up the steps and I grabbed her by the arm and turned her around to come with me. She said she wanted to go in the club and party and would get with me the next day. I said fuck that. The next day is now. The sun is about to come up. You need to come with me. We had a jolly good time until the next afternoon when I had to leave to do some things. I dropped her off at her room which is really close to me. 1000 baht.
Finally got the chick from 808 to come over after a few days of I don't know what the fuck she was doing. She was looking good. She told me to go take a shower. I went in and came out nekkit. She took her clothes off and I started sucking on titties and fingering her. Then she started fingering herself. I could not wait to get inside of that wet pussy. I waited for the blowjob to start. But it didn't. So I finally push her head down and say go ahead and get started. Then she starts saying that she does not suck dick. I thought I was hearing things. Usually you do not have to say anything. A chick just automatically does it. She said she has a problem with her throat because she smokes. I said smoking should make it easier to do.
I have never met a chick that smokes that does not suck dick. 27 years ago a guy I was in the navy with said that all chicks that smoke suck dick, but not all chicks that suck dick smoke. That mf Boone had been 99.99999% right. This day, the .00001% bodyslammed his Relative Theory of Blowjobs from Smokers.
I gave her the third degree. How do you expect to be a hooker and you can't do a simple blowjob. The time to say that you did not suck dick was before you came all the way over here; or better yet, the day I met you in 808. But I guess she was just going to try to sneak that one pass. I told her that if she could not suck dick then she had to get the fuck up out of this room. To tell the truth I am not even a big blow job guy. I can take it or leave it. But it is the principle of the thing. It is like a hotel maid that says she will not empty the trash. A blowjob is next to handjob on the simple task list for hookers.
She got dressed then asked for taxi money. I gave her 100 baht. She protested for more. I said I should not be giving you anything. When I walk into a Mexican restaurant they bring the chips and salsa with the menu. If I order something out of the menu and they say they do not have it then any tip I leave when walking out should be appreciated. They don't start telling me how much I have to pay for the chips and salsa. Bioch if you had what I needed then I would have been paying for a full meal. Ain't my fault your hore inventory is fucked up. She finally picked up the 100 baht and I walked her out.
[QUOTE=Abcce398;2089413]
Getting around Pattaya, take the "baht bus". Tuk tuks that make a circle on Beach Rd and Second Rd (Sai Song). Just wait on the side of the road and some of them will honk to get your attention; wave and they will stop. Jump in the back and ring the buzzer when you want to get off. Cost is 10 baht. Have some coins handy otherwise you run the risk of getting back a handful of 1 baht coins as change or no change at all.
[/QUOTE]Please be aware that the baht buses are not allowed anymore to stop just anywhere. These days there are designated bus stops for them.
However some drivers ignore them and will stop anywhere.
[URL]http://www.pattayamail.com/news/pattaya-scrambles-build-stops-authorities-require-baht-buses-use-166117[/URL]
[URL]http://www.pattayamail.com/news/pattaya-repaints-bus-stops-no-parking-zones-161156[/URL]
And by the way: a tuk tuk is not the same as a baht bus. Just google it.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2089581]. Things had dwindled down so I headed to Flexx. I ran into the girl from earlier at 808. I told her to come with me but she wanted to stay there drinking. I finally said fuck it. I am taking my ass home. I walked out the door and down the steps. There was a chick about to go up the steps and I grabbed her by the arm and turned her around to come with me. She said she wanted to go in the club and party and would get with me the next day. I said fuck that. The next day is now. The sun is about to come up. You need to come with me. We had a jolly good time until the next afternoon when I had to leave to do some things. I dropped her off at her room which is really close to me. 1000 baht.[/QUOTE]I'm not familiar with Flexx. Is it in the same complex as Mixx?
I may need to check it out next time I am in town (though I can skip Mixx).
[QUOTE=UncleVolodya;2089689]I'm not familiar with Flexx. Is it in the same complex as Mixx?[/QUOTE]No. It is behind McDonald's and upstairs from Subway.
If any one here will be in Pattaya between 12-30 December, it might be interesting to meet over a few beers. Cheers!
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2089588]Finally got the chick from 808 to come over after a few days of I don't know what the fuck she was doing. She was looking good. She told me to go take a shower. I went in and came out nekkit. She took her clothes off and I started sucking on titties and fingering her. Then she started fingering herself. I could not wait to get inside of that wet pussy. I waited for the blowjob to start. But it didn't. So I finally push her head down and say go ahead and get started. Then she starts saying that she does not suck dick. I thought I was hearing things. Usually you do not have to say anything. A chick just automatically does it. She said she has a problem with her throat because she smokes. I said smoking should make it easier to do.
I have never met a chick that smokes that does not suck dick. 27 years ago a guy I was in the navy with said that all chicks that smoke suck dick, but not all chicks that suck dick smoke. That mf Boone had been 99.99999% right. This day, the .00001% bodyslammed his Relative Theory of Blowjobs from Smokers.
I gave her the third degree. How do you expect to be a hooker and you can't do a simple blowjob. The time to say that you did not suck dick was before you came all the way over here; or better yet, the day I met you in 808. But I guess she was just going to try to sneak that one pass. I told her that if she could not suck dick then she had to get the fuck up out of this room..[/QUOTE]A working girl who managed to get customers and not give head? Wow now that's a new one, also nice to see another sailor on these forums. Funny I remember prior to WestPac hearing stories about Thailand. I thought they were all bullshitting but turns out it was all true LOL.