FKK Sharks - Darmstadt

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2434001]Definitely agree with you that brothel mongering is one of the most surefire ways of picking up COVID-19 right now. But what is staggering to me is Germany's extremely low fatality and good outcome so far, only 8 deaths at the time of this post. Low fatality combine with a moderate prevalence in comparison to influenza to me means that the mortality of this bug in Germany is statistically on par with that of the flu, in Germany anyway. That may change with increase prevalence but perhaps all these closures will ensure as much.

Assuming that clubs stay open, which is highly in doubt at the moment, I look forward to some mongering and self quarantine thereafter.[/QUOTE]What it means is that Germany's healthcare infrastructure is far superior to that of Italy. We all heard of flattening the curve. The whole idea is to keep the peak rate of infected below the capacity of local health system. In Italy and Wuhan the infected numbers spiked way too quickly, local health systems could not cope, and subsequently too many people died.

People made the case that De and France are x days behind Italy. That is only partly true. If you sketch daily case load after say, each country hit 50, the curves show that DE has stayed at half the rate of Italy. In other words, Germany has managed it much better and flattened the curve. Italy failed miserably, is seemingly closer to a third world system than a first world, and has suffered as a result.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2434071]What it means is that Germany's healthcare infrastructure is far superior to that of Italy. We all heard of flattening the curve. The whole idea is to keep the peak rate of infected below the capacity of local health system. In Italy and Wuhan the infected numbers spiked way too quickly, local health systems could not cope, and subsequently too many people died.

People made the case that De and France are x days behind Italy. That is only partly true. If you sketch daily case load after say, each country hit 50, the curves show that DE has stayed at half the rate of Italy. In other words, Germany has managed it much better and flattened the curve. Italy failed miserably, is seemingly closer to a third world system than a first world, and has suffered as a result.[/QUOTE]And apparently far better than France or Spain also. Odd too that up until the past few days, it doesn't seem like they had really done anything drastic in the public health department. Luck or meticulous nature of Germans in the healthcare environment?

[QUOTE=Saturn11;2434026]I rolled the dice and went last weekend, so far I feel OK, if was strange seeing the club quiet on a Saturday with no waiting for rooms. Had planned to go this weekend but decided to cancel, the reports sound like if I'd have a great time there but the number of confirmed infections in Germany is about 600% higher than last weekend so decided it wasn't a risk worth taking. Also in the back of my mind was I'd get there (I'd be travelling from overseas) and the club would be closed or wouldn't let me in.

According to the Darmstadt local website / paper, Darmstadt has 0 cases at the moment.[/QUOTE]I too travel from overseas & usually visit Sharks 8/9 times a year.

Thankfully I last visited on Friday 6th March and I'm so glad I did as the virus situation has deteriorated hugely in a week.

What surprised me was the usual high volume of ladies still present which was great for me. There were still quite a few guys but the numbers were certainly down for a Friday night.

A number of the ladies were moaning constantly about the lack of customers but the good service providers were still doing good business. This was evident when at around 10 pm I along with my companion had to wait around 20 minutes upstairs for a room.

My only complaint at Sharks of late is that the cleanliness isn't as good as before. Things like a numbers of the shower gel containers are not replaced regularly and last week later in the evening the showers were far from hot.

I will certainly miss my regular adventures to Sharks but until this virus situation eases I won't be making any plans to return although I suspect most or all FKKs will have to temporary close anyway. Just as long as they open in time for summer, I couldn't bear a summer not laying at the pool watching and interacting with all the naked ladies in the hot sunshine.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2434098]And apparently far better than France or Spain also. Odd too that up until the past few days, it doesn't seem like they had really done anything drastic in the public health department. Luck or meticulous nature of Germans in the healthcare environment?[/QUOTE]It is not the healthcare. Italians have some of the best healthcare. Germans followed the rules to self-isolate, the Italians did not. If you reduce the rate of infection, you healthcare system is less stressed. Once you run out of supplies and ventilators, people die. There is no treatment.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2434098]And apparently far better than France or Spain also. Odd too that up until the past few days, it doesn't seem like they had really done anything drastic in the public health department. Luck or meticulous nature of Germans in the healthcare environment?[/QUOTE]German healthcare system is far weaker than the French one, just have a look on how many premiere in surgeon they have done in the last 30 years. It is like the VW, Mercedes, BMW you think they are great cars but in fact they are not better than the other ones. Made in Germany is far from what it used to be. I had to deal with some dentists and hospitals in t Frankfurt and Berlin and really was never impressed by the quality of services I got, each time I can choose I will go to France.

[QUOTE=AlexEurope;2433929]What do you mean by "snake temperature"?[/QUOTE]Back on this Saturday, girl might think thermometer didn't work because less than 36 degrees, after a good speed run, pushing between airport and right curve before north Darmstadt. After lovely pretty Nadia at Oase, but average for me in bed even it was sweet sex, but really did worth to return to Sharks after Friday night with no room, but when I saw her, I felt the woman and wanted her, German, with few tattoos but no plastic and with German natural taste, for such love in bed, hyper GFE, reminded me Sandra. If she stay at Sharks, she will be the new superstar. Quite slow business on both nights, but Tabea made my lucky week end. Both Sharks and Oase staff were good in this situation.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2434169]German healthcare system is far weaker than the French one, just have a look on how many premiere in surgeon they have done in the last 30 years. It is like the VW, Mercedes, BMW you think they are great cars but in fact they are not better than the other ones. Made in Germany is far from what it used to be. I had to deal with some dentists and hospitals in t Frankfurt and Berlin and really was never impressed by the quality of services I got, each time I can choose I will go to France.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Akibono;2434136]It is not the healthcare. Italians have some of the best healthcare. Germans followed the rules to self-isolate, the Italians did not. If you reduce the rate of infection, you healthcare system is less stressed. Once you run out of supplies and ventilators, people die. There is no treatment.[/QUOTE]Hey guys,

I'm not so sure about these assertions and am not really interested in a healthcare systems chest beating contest. The fact is that all 3 countries saw their first cases in the last week of January but Germany seems to have had the best outcomes. As far as I am able to discover, there were no public health-self isolation campaigns in any country before infection pattern took root.

If you guys know of any differing measures taken by these countries in February before the Italian explosion, please fill me in.

So the question remains, why is the situation in Germany so much better than the other countries? As of the time of this post, 9 deaths among 4100 infected in a population of 82 million. That's a mortality rate of 0. 01 deaths per 100,000 (death per total population) and a fatality rate of under 0. 2% (deaths per case). Those are basically influenza numbers. That's quite remarkable compared to France's 0. 13 per 100,000 and 2% fatality. In Italy, the numbers are obviously far worse at 6. 3 deaths per 100,000 and 6. 7% fatality rate.

Germany: 0.01 deaths per 100,000 and 0 2% fatal.

France: 0.13 deaths per 100,000 and 2% fatal.

Italy: 6.3 deaths per 100,000 and 6.7% fatal.

The differences are staggering considering what to me seems to be similar timing and lack of differences in public health policy.

For those few who are still able to reflect reasonably what is going on in this time of virally expanding fear because of media enhanced mental infections, please listen to the words and explanations of Wolfgang Wodard, a german pulmonist. With english subtitles!

"The corona hype is not based on any extraordinary public health danger. However, it causes considerable damage to our freedom and personal rights through frivolous and unjustified quarantine measures and restrictions. The images in the media are frightening and the traffic in China's cities seems to be regulated by the clinical thermometer.

Evidence based epidemiological assessment is drowning in the mainstream of fear mongers in labs, media and ministries. ".

Stunning insights into the Corona-panic by Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg.

[URL]https://youtu.be/p_AyuhbnPOI[/URL]

[QUOTE=NickTheG;2434280]For those few who are still able to reflect reasonably what is going on in this time of virally expanding fear because of media enhanced mental infections, please listen to the words and explanations of Wolfgang Wodard, a german pulmonist. With english subtitles!

"The corona hype is not based on any extraordinary public health danger. However, it causes considerable damage to our freedom and personal rights through frivolous and unjustified quarantine measures and restrictions. The images in the media are frightening and the traffic in China's cities seems to be regulated by the clinical thermometer.

Evidence based epidemiological assessment is drowning in the mainstream of fear mongers in labs, media and ministries. ".

Stunning insights into the Corona-panic by Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg.

[URL]https://youtu.be/p_AyuhbnPOI[/URL][/QUOTE]"Stunning" is the word. I was of the same impression until about a week ago. It is just a matter of time before you and him change your minds too.

[QUOTE=Canary;2434111]What surprised me was the usual high volume of ladies still present which was great for me. There were still quite a few guys but the numbers were certainly down for a Friday night.
[/QUOTE]None of the girls I spoke to seemed remotely worried about catching the virus, they will stop working either because the club closes or because there are so few men there. With the exception of Sylvana they all fall into the young category but almost all smoke like a chimney which puts them more at risk.

I too was glad I went last weekend, things have changed so much even in a week, if I'd known it would have been my last visit for a while I would have done things slightly differently, left on a sour note with one of my favourites.

The state Hessen just declared that all events, which has more than 100 person will be prohibit.

So I guess, that sharks will be shut down soon in the next days.

[QUOTE=Akibono;2434136]It is not the healthcare. Italians have some of the best healthcare. Germans followed the rules to self-isolate, the Italians did not. If you reduce the rate of infection, you healthcare system is less stressed. Once you run out of supplies and ventilators, people die. There is no treatment.[/QUOTE]Good points. You put it better than I did. You are right the # infections and growth rate of infections is about social distancing and slowing transmission of disease effectively while the effectiveness of healthcare system is measured through other things.

I will say though, the death rate in Italy is by far the highest. I guess you would say that is because too many infections happened too quickly, the system could not cope, and many people died due to lack of treatment? Or is it because Italy has an older population? Whatever the case maybe it is true Italy is seeing a faster growth of infections and also the highest mortality rate neither of which reflects well on their overall country, sad to say.

[QUOTE=NickTheG;2434280]
"The corona hype is not based on any extraordinary public health danger. However, it causes considerable damage to our freedom and personal rights through frivolous and unjustified quarantine measures and restrictions. The images in the media are frightening and the traffic in China's cities seems to be regulated by the clinical thermometer.

Evidence based epidemiological assessment is drowning in the mainstream of fear mongers in labs, media and ministries. ".


[URL]https://youtu.be/p_AyuhbnPOI[/URL][/QUOTE]So, not wishing to sound like Cathy Newman, what he's saying is;

1) Coronaviruses are present in the population at all times.

2) The test for COVID-19 was hurried through so there could be an issue with it and we actually know fuck all about this virus.

3) If you only test people who are already sick with other conditions, you will end up with an artificially high death rate because their immune system is already compromised and it's difficult to determine which factor was the actual cause of death. (COVID-19 or parachute failing to open?)

4) This will be used as an excuse to increase state power, big brother etc.

My question would be; has there been a statistically significant increase in ICU and mortuary admissions compared to the same period of time in years past? If there has been, then determine the cause.

[QUOTE=NickTheG;2434280]For those few who are still able to reflect reasonably what is going on in this time of virally expanding fear because of media enhanced mental infections, please listen to the words and explanations of Wolfgang Wodard, a german pulmonist. With english subtitles!

"The corona hype is not based on any extraordinary public health danger. However, it causes considerable damage to our freedom and personal rights through frivolous and unjustified quarantine measures and restrictions. The images in the media are frightening and the traffic in China's cities seems to be regulated by the clinical thermometer.

Evidence based epidemiological assessment is drowning in the mainstream of fear mongers in labs, media and ministries. ".

Stunning insights into the Corona-panic by Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg.

[URL]https://youtu.be/p_AyuhbnPOI[/URL][/QUOTE]I am the first one who would want to think that this thing is over hyped but I also want to be critical in everything I read or hear. I find one big hole in his theory and that is China. I would think the last thing China would want to do would be to make this virus seem bigger than it really is for whatever reason. The damage this has caused to China is immense, no Chinese politician would want this.

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[QUOTE=Canary;2434111]I too travel from overseas & usually visit Sharks 8/9 times a year.

Thankfully I last visited on Friday 6th March and I'm so glad I did as the virus situation has deteriorated hugely in a week.

What surprised me was the usual high volume of ladies still present which was great for me. There were still quite a few guys but the numbers were certainly down for a Friday night.

A number of the ladies were moaning constantly about the lack of customers but the good service providers were still doing good business. This was evident when at around 10 pm I along with my companion had to wait around 20 minutes upstairs for a room.

My only complaint at Sharks of late is that the cleanliness isn't as good as before. Things like a numbers of the shower gel containers are not replaced regularly and last week later in the evening the showers were far from hot.

I will certainly miss my regular adventures to Sharks but until this virus situation eases I won't be making any plans to return although I suspect most or all FKKs will have to temporary close anyway. Just as long as they open in time for summer, I couldn't bear a summer not laying at the pool watching and interacting with all the naked ladies in the hot sunshine.[/QUOTE]On this Saturday late evening, when we went upstairs with new Tabea. De just arriving from dead Switzerland, I chose right side, I was her first room at Sharks, she was really unlucky to start with a so bad guy, I skipped SM red room on the right, not a good inspiration for love in bed for me, so we sent to last room on left with shower, but we had to wait because 2 staff were cleaning rooms between rooms. If difficult for me to find attractive girls at Sharks now, but had 3 really good rooms on this year and what a real GFE for Tabea, for sure we did share all our diseases, I wish she will keep a not so bad souvenir of this start, despite slow business. Not sure she will stay for such business, if she does, she will become Sharks superstar, like Sandra and Mandi before, but more sweet GFE than Mandi and more woman for me.