Rio de Janeiro Reports

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2564657]The inflation argument would be done with a basket of goods. If the basket of goods has only gone up 20%, why would prostitution have gone up a whopping 500%? The USA has nothing to do with what is going on in Brazil. The average Brazilian male is not paying 1000 reais per night for a chick that would be in Mabs as a Mabs chick would attempt to charge a foreigner. The average salary of workers in Brazil matters because Brazilian men with Brazilian salaries are who their primary customers are. These men are not paying 1 month's salary to be with a chick the way some foreigners are coming along and paying that.

It is like locals have been fishing peacefully at a pond forever using fishing poles. Most foreigners will go down to the pond and fish the same way the locals are. Then comes a foreigner that decides he wants to fish with dynamite. Then another. Then another. Soon the locals change ponds and any other foreigner that comes to the old pond will have to bring dynamite or he is leaving fishless.[/QUOTE]Go look at PA, gparena, or any other "common man's" site if you want want you to understand prices. The vast majority of those prices are much lower than the 1000 are pernoite and substantially so. That is what the normal local man will use; just like the majority of Americans use Backpage (or equivalent) or some rub-and-tug massage joints for their escorting. Only a specific subset of wealthy men are using the higher priced options. There is a sizable upper crust in Brazil that does have the funds for that and it's not like every person in Brazil is some destitute bum with only 100 reais to his name. This is the same as every country in South America or SEA contrary to what some posters have mentioned here where Brazil is supposedly some sort of unique paradise of mongering where women like living in poverty and screwing strangers for baubles. Increased prices do heavily correlate.

Economics is not a bubble. Three major innovations have happened in the past 50 ish years to push prices up.

1) The vast growth of middle-class wealth in the developed world (US, China, EU, etc.) in contrast to the rest of the world has created even more disposable income for mongers to spend.

2) Global access to cheap travel that allows said mongers to spend their money. Flights, hotels, tourist economies, etc. Are much more ubiquitous than before. Just 30 years ago, it was much more expensive, complex, and confusing for people to travel somewhere. It used to require travel agencies to do all of that, or a very adventurous soul. Now, you can book flights, hotels, and itineraries in minutes, all in the language you understand because governments incentivize your dollars.

3) Internet and general mongering knowledge has increased. On the one hand, men are much more knowledgeable about traveling so they can engage more easily in the hobby. On the other hand, professional women can judge their worth on global scales, understand their "worth", and make decisions using that knowledge.

Your metaphor is missing an important point. The fish prefer getting blown up with dynamite rather than slowly killed by the fishing hook. So the smart and fast fish will take the best option available to them. The old and slow fish will continue to be available for all those who wish to do it the traditional way. I guess the argument many would make is that we should create closed off countries where the none of the fish ever learn about dynamite and so we can continue hooking them to death. But I argue that this is a stupid argument, economically and ethically. This is the kind of argument slavers made in the 1400's when they were "uplifting" African "savages" during colonization. Sure they were slaves or paid cents for a day's work, but at least we gave them running water right? They should be happy with that.

The literal presence of people like Vagabundo in Brazil has already broken the system and we act like it's only today's high rollers that have messed things up. Do you think the locals didn't notice when gringos started staying in Brazil for months on end spending 200 reais a night for prime bunda? Did you think the majority of the locals have the capability to pay 200 pernoite every night to pound 19 year olds? The way I see it and I'm not calling anyone out in particular (this is a common argument on local American boards as well), it feels like a lot of people get mad because they want the system broken; living or visiting areas where they can enjoy top-tier women at a price that the majority of the locals cannot afford. But, they want the system rigged so they don't have to compete with those who have more than them (everybody wants a Ferrari but ignores that Hyundai is great and fairly priced). Still, that's the best example of late stage capitalism that we are in right now, so it all makes sense. The funniest part is that I have never argued to spend 5 x market price or not search for bargains, yet the smallest indication that increased prices are not the sole responsibility of flippant morons making it rain causes a lot of heartache on this board.

The Dude Abides.

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I have wasted my valuable sperm giving Nina Deponca a enema for the second time tonight, and have reached a state of total enlightenment.

I plead guilty, and throw my self at the mercy of the court.

I only want peace, peace for all humans, and living creatures, aliens too.

[QUOTE=TheDerilious;2564965]The literal presence of people like Vagabundo in Brazil has already broken the system and we act like it's only today's high rollers that have messed things up. [/QUOTE]

If you come to Rio, you should stay at least a week, and stay in Barra and go to Perola negra on a Friday, and Saturday night.

It is true that our most prolific member, Mr E, came here to Barra, but he came on a Sunday night for 3 days. We hit Perola negra on a weekday night, a Tuesday or Wednesday, which was suboptimal.

[QUOTE=RioBob;2564914] good to see someone has turned it around.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheDerilious;2564965]Go look at PA, gparena, or any other "common man's" site if you want want you to understand prices. The vast majority of those prices are much lower than the 1000 are pernoite and substantially so. That is what the normal local man will use; just like the majority of Americans use Backpage (or equivalent) or some rub-and-tug massage joints for their escorting. Only a specific subset of wealthy men are using the higher priced options. There is a sizable upper crust in Brazil that does have the funds for that and it's not like every person in Brazil is some destitute bum with only 100 reais to his name. This is the same as every country in South America or SEA contrary to what some posters have mentioned here where Brazil is supposedly some sort of unique paradise of mongering where women like living in poverty and screwing strangers for baubles. Increased prices do heavily correlate.

Economics is not a bubble. Three major innovations have happened in the past 50 ish years to push prices up.

1) The vast growth of middle-class wealth in the developed world (US, China, EU, etc.) in contrast to the rest of the world has created even more disposable income for mongers to spend.

2) Global access to cheap travel that allows said mongers to spend their money. Flights, hotels, tourist economies, etc. Are much more ubiquitous than before. Just 30 years ago, it was much more expensive, complex, and confusing for people to travel somewhere. It used to require travel agencies to do all of that, or a very adventurous soul. Now, you can book flights, hotels, and itineraries in minutes, all in the language you understand because governments incentivize your dollars.

3) Internet and general mongering knowledge has increased. On the one hand, men are much more knowledgeable about traveling so they can engage more easily in the hobby. On the other hand, professional women can judge their worth on global scales, understand their "worth", and make decisions using that knowledge.

Your metaphor is missing an important point. The fish prefer getting blown up with dynamite rather than slowly killed by the fishing hook. So the smart and fast fish will take the best option available to them. The old and slow fish will continue to be available for all those who wish to do it the traditional way. I guess the argument many would make is that we should create closed off countries where the none of the fish ever learn about dynamite and so we can continue hooking them to death. But I argue that this is a stupid argument, economically and ethically. This is the kind of argument slavers made in the 1400's when they were "uplifting" African "savages" during colonization. Sure they were slaves or paid cents for a day's work, but at least we gave them running water right? They should be happy with that.

The literal presence of people like Vagabundo in Brazil has already broken the system and we act like it's only today's high rollers that have messed things up. Do you think the locals didn't notice when gringos started staying in Brazil for months on end spending 200 reais a night for prime bunda? Did you think the majority of the locals have the capability to pay 200 pernoite every night to pound 19 year olds? The way I see it and I'm not calling anyone out in particular (this is a common argument on local American boards as well), it feels like a lot of people get mad because they want the system broken; living or visiting areas where they can enjoy top-tier women at a price that the majority of the locals cannot afford. But, they want the system rigged so they don't have to compete with those who have more than them (everybody wants a Ferrari but ignores that Hyundai is great and fairly priced). Still, that's the best example of late stage capitalism that we are in right now, so it all makes sense. The funniest part is that I have never argued to spend 5 x market price or not search for bargains, yet the smallest indication that increased prices are not the sole responsibility of flippant morons making it rain causes a lot of heartache on this board.[/QUOTE]Well said. I would compare this to my business. We sell some items to manufacturing companies and they pay a certain price for those items due to them being manufactures (or locals) and they buy in quantity. We also get the odd small or retail person who wants to do his own thing with our item (tourist or gringo). We charge them the retail (gringo) price which is at least 1. 5 x the manufacturer price. The manufacturers don't complain about the small person ruining the market for their product. They know that those guys cannot make a dent in the market due to quantity and production limitations. Same thing here. How would a few hundred or thousand tourist mongers drastically effect the market? There is now way the tourist number equal the local numbers. In the end, the girls get more from the tourists but keep the rate for locals because that is what the market dictates.

This would be like blaming the guy who pees in the ocean once for ocean pollution. If a member seeks out the best deal that can be had, let them. If a member seeks out what he thinks is fair for his wallet, let them. If a member seeks out a 10 every time and is willing to pay 10 x the price for that, let them.

Move on and enjoy the fact that all of us have the luxury to even do this.

[QUOTE=TheDerilious;2564965]Economics is not a bubble. Three major innovations have happened in the past 50 ish years to push prices up.[/QUOTE]I think you have not considered efficiency, supply and demand. You are also missing it goes both ways because not only the demand increases, there are more supply as well. One example is Medellin FB scene. The technology opens up a new supply that was not available before. Also China cracked down on prostitutions which reduced the supply in Asia significantly and that caused the price to go up elsewhere.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2565046]I think you have not considered efficiency, supply and demand. You are also missing it goes both ways because not only the demand increases, there are more supply as well. One example is Medellin FB scene. The technology opens up a new supply that was not available before. Also China cracked down on prostitutions which reduced the supply in Asia significantly and that caused the price to go up elsewhere.[/QUOTE]Sure, that is the miracle of technology that it has opened up many more destinations for the hobby. Supply has definitely increased all over the world and it seems like there is still a dearth of options considering how popular porn and online chat / videos are. The biggest issue lies in the fact that sex tourism is still tourism; people are expecting to pay money, save up for the trip, and don't feel the need to haggle over 5 USD as long as they feel they are getting decent prices. Longer term expats are effectively doing this at a longer time scale so they can spend the time searching for better prices but make no mistake that they are not haggling over the last 10 reais either when it comes down to it. They have the advantage of being able to hit up a few of the cheaper places looking for the good stuff, while that might be considered a bit of a waste of time for shorter term visitors who don't want to waste time jockeying up and down elevators in random buildings all day. I do think it is interesting that there appears to be a fine line on how penny pinching is perceived; in Thailand, our fellow Indian mongers are often looked down upon for these habits, yet mongers also can't spend too much without getting called market busters. It's a tough line, that's for sure.

I wonder how the rise of digital nomads in the coming decade or two will change that. Most tech companies are never going back to full-time in-office work so we will see a new generation of the global wealthy descend upon these cities and town for longer stretches as they seek to "experience" the world. It will be different because the majority of longer-term expats are usually retirees or older men who live on fixed incomes or have to budget their reserves. Now, you are going to see much larger influxes of younger men who will be making more than the retirees, will be much more willing to shell out, and have fewer budget restrictions. Hell, I look back and shudder at what I would have been spending had I been able to work remote in a place like Rio when I was 24 for a six months or a year.

A small note on the side; prostitution is huge in mainland China and very easy to find for ethnic Chinese. Agencies discretely but openly advertise on WeChat. But it is really difficult for any non-Chinese foreigner. You get the blatant racism of Japan's scene combined with the underground, anti-western attitudes of China which make it really hard to monger unless you flash extra cash to make the mama-sans look the other way. Even then, you are getting starfish'd for your trouble or picking the bottom of the barrel. Let's just say that my white friends got to learn what it's like to be forced to eat in the back of the restaurant. My Chinese friends got a special laugh out it.

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2562193]I recommend you stay in Copa.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2564954]With 4 days, stay at IBIS and do Perola Negra, on Metro at Jardim Oceanico.

PN is in the shadow of IBIS, within rifle range, so you can easily get the girls to your room at IBIS from Perola Negra.

Ksportal (google it) has 50 r per noite lux suites, with all the amenities.

It is true Transamerica is a 3 d rate run down shit motel, but it is priced for aspiring working girls, and some of the landlords and administrators, I am sure will accept payment with a girls holes, as always.[/QUOTE]Based on your previous reply and many others' recommendations, I booked the Astoria Palace. But I will try and hit up Perola Negra during my short stay. I do have one question about it. Perola Negra translates to black pearl. Does this place mostly host dark skinned garotas?

[QUOTE=SinfullyKorean;2565078]Based on your previous reply and many others' recommendations, I booked the Astoria Palace. But I will try and hit up Perola Negra during my short stay. I do have one question about it. Perola Negra translates to black pearl. Does this place mostly host dark skinned garotas?[/QUOTE]The last time I was at Perola Negra (its been awhile), I don't recall there being any dark-skinned girls in the house. Of course, the nature of a lineup can change drastically in even a relatively short period of time. I went with a branca going by "Daniela". Fucked her in the butt, and it was good too. Cored that carioca cornhole out!

[URL]http://perolanegraclub.com.br/[/URL]

Perola Branca, Ave de pepe 400, Barra.

Foolish consistencies are the hobgoblins of little minds.

Perola Branca, and most of Barra is white girls.

Mandingoblack who gets paid to fuck on film ended up staying here at a KSPortal flat in Barra posto 1 near Olegario Maciel and Perola Branca.

Maybe I shoulda had more of the local talent primed for Mr E.

I will next time, at the Hotel California, in the California of Rio- Barra the Tijuca.

Plus, I was a bit concerned with Senhor Sinfully Korean due to his violatioon of forum rules (see his conversation with Sperto our expert on the SP thread), but he took those down, and in any case, I am not phobic of any LGBTQ+. I mean, I am strait up a fan of Caligula.

Plus I was off my meds, but my doctor with medical ganja has arrived, and I am serving a higher power again.

May we now praise famous men.

If you want women in Rio, go to a Vasco futbol game with the owner of 4 x 4.

The futbol players though, get their girls at VM.

SAC.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2564872]Yes, without a doubt speaking the local lingo is a huge asset. Google translate is a remarkable innovation, but it is vastly inferior to being able to carry on a spontaneous conversation with a girl.

There are other little thought experiments we can play that come up with interesting results like:

A) imagine 2 American customers with similar looks, personalities, each able to speak Portuguese fluently, and each paying the same amount. Customer #1 can turn a girl on, and it takes him 45 minutes to reach orgasm. Customer #2 cums in under 3 minutes. Which customer do working girls prefer? It depends on the girl, but I imagine a lot of girls might prefer Customer #2. Does that surprise anyone?

B) imagine 2 American customers with similar looks, personalities, each able to speak Portuguese fluently, and each paying the same amount meet a girl for the first time in a Terma or bar. Customer #1 tells the girl he is an expat living and working in RJ. Customer #2 tells the girl he is a tourist who just arrived, and he is planning to spend 2 weeks in RJ. Which type of customer do working girls prefer. Again, the answer depends on the girl. Some girls will prefer the tourist because they think he will pay more. Some girls will prefer the expat because they see him as a possible long-term customer. It all depends.

So, what's my point? Well, nothing really except to say all kinds of people come to the P4P marketplace and no two people are the same. So, when 2 people come to a private arrangement it's between them and sometimes them and the bordello and it does not matter what anyone else thinks. Do what you like.[/QUOTE]Well said Natty Bumpo. There is no one set way it always plays out. Got to remember, although we do have general rules of thumb here in the hobby, they are just that. General rules. The hobby, as are all human interactions, dynamic and can change depending on the participants and the situation.

I flew into SP on Saturday (5/22) and next day took a bus to get to Rio. Why bus? I made a mistake of not booking flight in advance to get cheaper fare as I wasn't certain that I would make the trip. The flights were very expensive; the fare were around 300 US and climbed over 400 US close to my travel date. I didn't want to pay those high prices so I booked a bed on a 1001 bus for 130 BR and got to Rio in 6 hours (double the air travel). I think bus is a good option to travel between SP and Rio and I plan to use it in future.

I initially planned 2 nights but extended it by 4 nights after my disappointing visit to Scandallo on Saturday. I have visited 5 termas and liked Solarium the most because it had most consistently good looking girls during all my visits. I was able to use my free time more effectively in Rio than in SP by going to various beaches and visited popular tourist spots. I like Rio and I plan to visit soon.

4 x4:

My first terma. Entry fee was 50 BR. Lineup was bad on Monday with 15+ girls, none of them good looking, and I left after spending half hour or so.

My next visit was on Wednesday and the lineup was much better. I sessioned with Lorena, a 22 yo girl with tight body with amazing deepthroating skills. She voluntarily deepthroated a lot which I liked. I came back on Thursday but left quickly as I didn't see any new girls.

Solarium:

My second terma and the best. This may be the smallest of the termas that I have visited but it had the consistently best looking girls. I have it a total of 4 times: on Monday after visiting 4 x4, Tuesday, Thrusday and Friday. Entry is 120 BR + aprox 500 BR for girl and room. Lineup was great with 20+ girls on the days I have visited and most of them were young and petite. I sessioned 4 girls and all of them were great. One of the girls did anal, another one did anal and CIM, and another did CIM. Hands down the best terma for me this trip.

Monte Carlo:

My third terma and the worst. I visited it on Tuesday at around 5:30 pm. They had about 10 girls and not even one decent looking one. There was not much to do so I used sauna for an half hour and left the club within an hour. 120 BR entrance fee for the lineup they had felt like highway robbery.

Terma 65:

My fourth terma. One of the guys I met in Solarium recommended visiting this terma. Definitely worth checking out if you are in the area visiting other termas like 4 x4. I visited it twice, first visit was on Wednesday and then on Thursday. Entrance is 70 BR and 235 BR for girl for half hour.

On Wednesday I entered the club at around 8 pm and it was packed with 50+ girls and lot of men. Everyone was dancing to the earsplittingly loud music. For a moment I thought I was in a dance club. I grabbed a drink and started looking for hotties but found none. All of them were with these 2 groups of guys with bottle service on their tables. One hottie in particular was very gorgeous with amazing Brazilian butt. In case any of you were there on that night, she wore a tight cheetah print skirt (I will refer her as cheetah girl). I knew the cheetah girl and other hotties are not going to let go by the 2 group. Rest of the girls in the club seemed to be more focused on dancing, drinking and having a good time rather than getting with men. As I was pondering my options, this one guy started booty shaking / popping dance (lets call him booty popper) in front the table I was sitting at. I have seen girls dance like that but never seen an guy do it. I guess that's his kink. I admit he danced way better than lot of girls. To add to the craziness, 2 young guys walked in to the club way overdressed in suits as if they were interviewing at one of the big wallstreet banks. In fact, the girl sitting next to me did interview them. She started with an easy question. Are you good with numbers? Both answered 'yes' confidently. Next she asked, how many parking spots she has for their wangs? She warned them that is a trick question but they ignored. Two, both answered in unison. She smiled and told them to do research on internets and return to the club with correct answer next day. I really hope they found the answer. LOL. My eavesdropping on the interview was interrupted by the booty popper. This time he brought a girl and both did the booty popping dance, this time more vigorously. It felt like he was daring me but I wasn't falling for that. I screamed, no way Jose but music was so loud no one heard me. Anyway, once it was clear that none of the hotties going to be released by those 2 groups I picked one of the better looking leftovers and ended the night happy.

I really enjoyed my first visit even tough I didn't get the opportunity to bang some of the hotties that were present. This terma had the most girls and different vibe than other termas I have visited. I am not sure why this club is not talked about more in this thread.

I have visited the club on Thursday hoping to catch some of the hotties I saw the previous day especially the cheetah girl. Unfortunately most of them didn't make an appearance. I saw couple of them but they were already snatched by a group with bottle service, obviously. It is very clear one needs a bottle service to attract hotties in this terma. Next time I visit this club I plan to order an expensive bottle service to lure them to me. I know, initially it would look weird, strange and silly to have one person with bottle service, but who cares as long as you lure the hotties. Based on what I have observed in this terma, hotties love booze and they go to whoever provides lots of it and expensive the better. Unfortunately, my plan rollout has to wait until next trip.

Centaurus:

My fifth terma. I went to the club at 7:30 pm on Friday expecting lots of girls and men to be there. Entrance is 140 BR. Unlike other termas the entrance has to be prepaid here. This club has the newest and nicest facilities of all the termas I had visited. It also has the biggest lounge. There were about 10+ girls with couple of good looking ones. I was the only man in there. Couple of girls came an talk to be but I wasn't interested in them. It was hard to get rid of them. I left the club and went to Solarium after drinking a free beer that was included with entrance.

It was strange to see this club had no customers on Friday night situated in a prime location with best facilities. It is a shame they ruined their reputation being greedy and treating customers like ATM machines. This may be one of those clubs that totally relies on tourists and probably waiting for pandemic to end.

Termas vs FKKs:

Termas are very similar to German / European FKKs in concept but at a much smaller in size and scale. Termas have all the FKK elements like girls, bar and sauna except a restaurant. In termas, you have the option of staying in your street cloths or wear a robe whereas in FKKs you have an option of wearing a robe or towel. In FKKs, entrance usually include food and soft drinks and in some cases alcohol. In termas, you have to pay for all the drinks.

Additional thoughts:

Terma lounges are very small (except Centaurus) and get crowded very quickly. Each terma has a set price for girls that covers all the services provided including anal, CIM or whatever else. There is no concept of extras like you have in SP boetes and clinicas, or FKKs, or lots other places. Not all girls provide extras so you better discuss prior to the session. 3 of the 6 girls I sessioned did anal and 2 did CIM.

[QUOTE=Lalabo;2565332]I booked a bed on a 1001 bus for 130 BR and got to Rio in 6 hours (double the air travel). I think bus is a good option to travel between SP and Rio and I plan to use it in future.[/QUOTE]Air travel between Sao Paulo and Rio is 50 minutes (not 3 hours) and you can buy a ticket as low as 150 reais beforehand. On April 21 I bought one for May 6 and it was $31.88

[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2565142]If you want women in Rio, go to a Vasco futbol game with the owner of 4 x 4.

The futbol players though, get their girls at VM.

SAC.[/QUOTE]What is VM?

[QUOTE=Lalabo;2565332]I flew into SP on Saturday (5/22) and next day took a bus to get to Rio. Why bus? I made a mistake of not booking flight in advance to get cheaper fare as I wasn't certain that I would make the trip. The flights were very expensive; the fare were around 300 US and climbed over 400 US close to my travel date. I didn't want to pay those high prices so I booked a bed on a 1001 bus for 130 BR and got to Rio in 6 hours (double the air travel). I think bus is a good option to travel between SP and Rio and I plan to use it in future.[/QUOTE]Awesome report! Thanks for the info. I'll make good use of it. Sounds like Scandallo is very hit or miss. Did you not check out Abbobora or Prime in SP? I've bumped up T65 and Solarium up on my list. Centaurus down to bottom.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2565344]Air travel between Sao Paulo and Rio is 50 minutes (not 3 hours) and you can buy a ticket as low as 150 reais beforehand. On April 21 I bought one for May 6 and it was $31.88[/QUOTE]
300-400 USD (one way OR round trip) doesn't sound right. Maybe it was right around that time (5/22) that flights were super expensive. I remember I was looking at flights a couple weeks ago and it went up a lot. But not to $300-400, especially one way. This weekend, OW flights on Sat are $72 and Sun are $50. Much cheaper if you're booking a month in advance. But these prices seem to fluctuate a lot.

$25 RT: [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2204-Sao-Paulo-Reports&p=2557221[/URL]#post2557221.

Lalabo probably means the time to get to the airport (bus station's probably closer), the time you got to wait at the airport (probably 1. 5 hrs before flight) and travel time. 30 min to airport, 1. 5 hrs waiting, 1 HR flight is 3 hrs.

[QUOTE=DiverOyster;2565359]What is VM?[/QUOTE]VILA MIMOSA. Red light district of RJ.