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[QUOTE=Pistons;2758153]More complicated to deal with, yes. Smarter, no. If you have ever been to China, and met any of the 'spitters', you wouldn't consider them smarter.

But in terms of power, both Putin and Xi has equal percentage of power within their country. Sure the chance of unrest is a bit larger in China, but there is also more poverty and ethnically based conflicts. And that is due to the size of the population also. But what Putin does right now is sending minority groups into the war in order to die first. Xi would just do the same. Dictator logics.

What Russia does have more of than China is natural resources, since Russia has more landmass. And the chance of making more ammunition than China has. Which might be one factor making it easier for Putin to go to war.[/QUOTE]Put it this way, Russia and China are in the same cave, but China by far is smarter than Russian, just their manners are as bad as Russians, but more dirty that I may agree with you, but brain is much smarter in China than Russia that is for sure LOL! Russia has oil, that's it, but oil they cannot even dig themselves due to their limitation on their technology LOL! China actually have proper industries that Japan and West help them to steal from us LOL!

[QUOTE=Pistons;2758258]Another reason you cannot label China as smarter than Russia when discussing their military might is this: "Just a cheap russian knockoff".

[URL]https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1662497/xi-chinese-weapons-copied-from-russia-south-china-sea-latest-taiwan-invasion-spt[/URL]

I once fought 5 chinese taxi drivers at once who tried to scam me when driving me to Changping. Easy fight. I had 0 problem, and was just waiting for another 5 easy ones. And that was even before I had started going to the gym several times a week. The chinese special forces were so humiliated in a world championship of special forces some years ago, that they withdrew from further competitions. This has nothing to do with poor genes, since I've met and know some pretty strong ethnic chinese outside of China, and even where I live I know one ethnic chinese doing 210 kg in bench (though he is not fully clean). But it is mainly the culture. China simply just don't have the culture for going berzerk. Too much zen, and too many gamers or ladyboys.[/QUOTE]Chinese military are far better than Russian ones LOL to begin with Russia do not even have proper aircraft carrier LOL! Just one junk carrier that is broken LOL China has!

I definitely got dumber reading these last few posts.

[QUOTE=EscapeArtist;2758965]I definitely got dumber reading these last few posts.[/QUOTE]Right? Couple of bafoons posting about things they know nothing about.

[QUOTE=MrHo;2758366]Chinese military are far better than Russian ones LOL to begin with Russia do not even have proper aircraft carrier LOL! Just one junk carrier that is broken LOL China has![/QUOTE]I think we need to support the Russian troops even if not in agreement with their commander in chief. It is not fair that they are not being equipped with body armor and proper supplies.

Reaching out the FKK pros. I'll be in Essen next week and I'm looking to have my first FKK experience. From Siroja, I read, "Aca Gold, Penelope, Prime are not real FKK with full naked girls. In NRW, SC Venus not RTC, Babylon and Bernds for real FKK. Also RTC. ".

I know there will be varying opinions, but where would "most" of you recommend for a 1st timer?

[QUOTE=LshRoomer;2759225]Reaching out the FKK pros. I'll be in Essen next week and I'm looking to have my first FKK experience. From Siroja, I read, "Aca Gold, Penelope, Prime are not real FKK with full naked girls. In NRW, SC Venus not RTC, Babylon and Bernds for real FKK. Also RTC. ".

I know there will be varying opinions, but where would "most" of you recommend for a 1st timer?[/QUOTE]I doubt many of the experts here will agree with me but I would say FKK Saunaclub Venus mid afternoon later in the week would be a great first experience when staying north of Dusseldorf. It's a smaller club with an equally small line up of about 10-12 girls, so the ratio can be bad but the optic quality is good and service reliably above average to great. I like Gold and Penelope but I think your first visit should be to a club with nice, clean facilities with reliable service rather than the more run down options with iffy reliability in service quality.

Just make sure to get there early to scope out the line up as girls start their shifts as to not be caught in a queue waiting for the top 3-4 girls. Arriving at 2 pm on a Wednesday-Friday would make a great first visit to grab the top girls available for your first room then decide on the next girl throughout the late afternoon or early evening.

Starting at this club first would at least guarantee a good experience at a club that doesn't have the dirty hooker-house feel. With a good first experience under your belt, then move on to clubs like Gold and Penelope to shop in bigger line ups.

I say this from what I observed introducing American first timers to FKK. All enjoyed high amenity clubs like Sharks and the former GoldenTime while they were more apprehensive about the more run-down clubs like Acapulco Gold and Prime. Penelope may be a very slight upgrade in terms of mainstream feel but still definitely has a budget club feel. Those clubs are more tailored for ballers on a budget and hardcore hobbyists looking for diamonds in the rough.

I would suggest Babylon for similar reasons except that the line up optics is pretty meh. Plus it's located towards western Cologne which is a bit of a ways from Essen. You would also likely be disappointed by Bernd's line up optics.

[QUOTE=EscapeArtist;2759258]I doubt many of the experts here will agree with me but I would say FKK Saunaclub Venus mid afternoon later in the week would be a great first experience when staying north of Dusseldorf. It's a smaller club with an equally small line up of about 10-12 girls, so the ratio can be bad but the optic quality is good and service reliably above average to great. I like Gold and Penelope but I think your first visit should be to a club with nice, clean facilities with reliable service rather than the more run down options with iffy reliability in service quality.

Just make sure to get there early to scope out the line up as girls start their shifts as to not be caught in a queue waiting for the top 3-4 girls. Arriving at 2 pm on a Wednesday-Friday would make a great first visit to grab the top girls available for your first room then decide on the next girl throughout the late afternoon or early evening.

Starting at this club first would at least guarantee a good experience at a club that doesn't have the dirty hooker-house feel. With a good first experience under your belt, then move on to clubs like Gold and Penelope to shop in bigger line ups.

I say this from what I observed introducing American first timers to FKK. All enjoyed high amenity clubs like Sharks and the former GoldenTime while they were more apprehensive about the more run-down clubs like Acapulco Gold and Prime. Penelope may be a very slight upgrade in terms of mainstream feel but still definitely has a budget club feel. Those clubs are more tailored for ballers on a budget and hardcore hobbyists looking for diamonds in the rough.

I would suggest Babylon for similar reasons except that the line up optics is pretty meh. Plus it's located towards western Cologne which is a bit of a ways from Essen. You would also likely be disappointed by Bernd's line up optics.[/QUOTE]I think Escape Artist won't point you wrong. I have to disagree with Siroja that Penelope is not full FKK because not fully nude. That is a lame purist distinction. They are "nearly nude" honestly not unlike most girls at Sharks. And it's the regular FKK kinda thing otherwise. I had very solid in room experiences there and left happy. Def recommend. Tho maybe try EAs idea first.

Returned from my trip to DE and my God did I miss it. Hit a number of places, and will review in appropriate threads.

Brief summary:

Duisburg RLD. Would repeat for a quickie. Prefer clubs, though.

Oceans. Heard bad things about this place. Not my favorite but definitely would repeat.

Sharks. Still the biggest lineup, and would repeat if in Frankfurt area, but that's my last time making a special trip there.

Bocum RLD. Fine. Would only repeat if I only had time for quickie and was in the area. No special trip for sure.

Babylon. Would 100% repeat and would be my first choice.

Penelope. Would repeat, but low on the repeat list.

Overall, surprised to find I agreed with the Sharks assessment. Has always been my go to. Would plan trips around landing in Frankfurt, even if only an overnight delay, to visit for a night. Again, not upset that o went and would go every time in in Frankfurt, but wouldn't drive down from NRW or fly in for it.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy23;2759519]Returned from my trip to DE and my God did I miss it. Hit a number of places, and will review in appropriate threads.

Brief summary:

Duisburg RLD. Would repeat for a quickie. Prefer clubs, though.

Oceans. Heard bad things about this place. Not my favorite but definitely would repeat.

Sharks. Still the biggest lineup, and would repeat if in Frankfurt area, but that's my last time making a special trip there.

Bocum RLD. Fine. Would only repeat if I only had time for quickie and was in the area. No special trip for sure.

Babylon. Would 100% repeat and would be my first choice.

Penelope. Would repeat, but low on the repeat list.

Overall, surprised to find I agreed with the Sharks assessment. Has always been my go to. Would plan trips around landing in Frankfurt, even if only an overnight delay, to visit for a night. Again, not upset that o went and would go every time in in Frankfurt, but wouldn't drive down from NRW or fly in for it.[/QUOTE]Sharks still rules for glitz and glam but got to agree the luster is gone. I also used to go out of my way. Now I'm kinda meh on it. Had adequate experiences recently. Nothing more. Would rather hit Vive in Madrid or Scandalo in Malaga tho my penchant for Latinas biases me a bit. And in general I've become a little less enamored with the clubs since I've been getting real 100% GFE With Seeking Arrangement girls. Afraid I’ve been poisoned and club girls can never live up to the real life stuff I get with SA. But yeah, Sharks has lost its "must do" appeal.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2759516]I think Escape Artist won't point you wrong. I have to disagree with Siroja that Penelope is not full FKK because not fully nude. That is a lame purist distinction. They are "nearly nude" honestly not unlike most girls at Sharks. And it's the regular FKK kinda thing otherwise. I had very solid in room experiences there and left happy. Def recommend. Tho maybe try EAs idea first.[/QUOTE]Penelope is sauna club, not FKK. Sauna club Venus is real FKK, like Babylon or Bernds. I didn t make definition of FKK.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2759576]Sharks still rules for glitz and glam but got to agree the luster is gone. I also used to go out of my way. Now I'm kinda meh on it. Had adequate experiences recently. Nothing more. Would rather hit Vive in Madrid or Scandalo in Malaga tho my penchant for Latinas biases me a bit. And in general I've become a little less enamored with the clubs since I've been getting real 100% GFE With Seeking Arrangement girls. Afraid Ive been poisoned and club girls can never live up to the real life stuff I get with SA. But yeah, Sharks has lost its "must do" appeal.[/QUOTE]Quantity don t always mean quality and same at Globe. I prefer only 1 elegant with charm natural beauty rather than 50 at Globe or 80 at Sharks too expensive average looks.

I asked a WG to go out on a dinner date with me. It took her a while to dwell on it but she finally agreed. Here is the question: am I expected to pay for her time / what is the best way to ask about this question?

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2759576]Sharks still rules for glitz and glam but got to agree the luster is gone. I also used to go out of my way. Now I'm kinda meh on it. Had adequate experiences recently. Nothing more. Would rather hit Vive in Madrid or Scandalo in Malaga tho my penchant for Latinas biases me a bit. And in general I've become a little less enamored with the clubs since I've been getting real 100% GFE With Seeking Arrangement girls. Afraid Ive been poisoned and club girls can never live up to the real life stuff I get with SA. But yeah, Sharks has lost its "must do" appeal.[/QUOTE]I suspect Seeking works if you're on the younger side. With over 60 guys the girl may just focus on the money and how soon she can end the 'date'.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2759868]I suspect Seeking works if you're on the younger side. With over 60 guys the girl may just focus on the money and how soon she can end the 'date'.[/QUOTE]Turgid.

I completely agree about the age factor but don't let anyone fool you. The girls of SA are not expecting Pretty Woman story. They are expecting or needing $$, even if they are willing to spend a couple hours with you. Another thing is the need for planning. Most SA arrangements require time and planning, few ladies are available if you decide at the last minute to have sex. Then there is the need for location, ie a hotel or your bedroom!

Give me an FKK! Whether you go for the multiple partners in one night or the thrill of a new girl the nice thing about going to a club is the scenery. There is something to be said for sipping a espresso or a drink and staring out at a room of naked women. Even when there are a few 3's and 4's mixed into the room!