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[QUOTE=Oakie;1695579] It stayed a cheap sleazy red light district on the edge of Puerto Plata. (Just the way we like it. :))[/QUOTE]I disagree with the sleazy bit. After all what does that make the patrons, especially in this forum, to be? LOL.
I am pleased that there is an island close to our shores, that gives a old / older man a renewed opportunity to remember what it was like in his twenties. I am grateful instead of bad-mouthing, even if I am not interested in dipping into Sosua pool.
[QUOTE=S2343;1695817]Does anybody know any good tour guides out in Sosua that you can recommend me since it my first time was trying to see if there is anyone out there that can show me the ropes. I would greatly appreciate it thanks.[/QUOTE]Your tour guide will be your fellow mongers you meet there on the ground in Sosua. Just talk to anyone at your hotel or at any bar, strike up a friendly conversation and ask them to show you the ropes. Buy them a beer if you are feeling liberal.
Sosua is Pay for Play on training wheels. You can't walk ten feet without tripping over some pussy.
BUT the last thing you want or need to be looking for is some local Dominicano or Haitian tout as a "tour guide. " They will be in your pockets like you wouldn't belive. There is no need for "tour guides" in Sosua.
And you can find all the information you could ever need and want right here on this forum (going rate for chicas, where to stay, etc.). You need to put in the work of taking time to read. Start with Camaro's recent trip report, for instance.
If you start asking very obvious questions that have been answered here a million times, then that will tell us that you did not take the time to read and do your research. So don't be surprised if you ask a question that has been answered before and no one responds to your post.
[QUOTE=SavePros321;1695898]Your tour guide will be your fellow mongers you meet there on the ground in Sosua. Just talk to anyone at your hotel or at any bar, strike up a friendly conversation and ask them to show you the ropes. Buy them a beer if you are feeling liberal.
[/QUOTE]I am not sure that this would work as easily as you think. It MIGHT work, but people in Sosua don't necessarily want to tell strangers that they are there for the pussy, and in fact they may not be there for the pussy, or it may be very peripheral to their interests. Also even if guys are mongers, they may have widely different attitudes to each other in terms of how to go about the business of getting a sex partner for pay. Also the person who becomes your guide may already have a "reputation" with the chicas that might affect you if you are associted with him.
I agree about not getting a Dominican or Haitian guide. No, don't do that.
[QUOTE=JjBee62;1695834]Would "A sleazy red light district with bachata" be better?[/QUOTE]I don't think Sosua is sleazy, especially compared to red light districts in major cities around the world. You don't find pornography shops, sex toy shops, strip clubs, and sex shows like in Amsterdam.
It is a pleasant resort and retirement town with a handful of chica bars over a block or two that come alive at night. It is quite possible to live in Sosua and never go anywhere near the prostitution bars during their business hours.
[QUOTE=Frannie;1695959]I don't think Sosua is sleazy, especially compared to red light districts in major cities around the world. You don't find pornography shops, sex toy shops, strip clubs, and sex shows like in Amsterdam.
It is a pleasant resort and retirement town with a handful of chica bars over a block or two that come alive at night. It is quite possible to live in Sosua and never go anywhere near the prostitution bars during their business hours.[/QUOTE]I love Sosua but that's putting lipstick on a pig. Yes, it is POSSIBLE to stay away from the prostitution bars but staying away from prostitution itself would be impossible and you would be limiting your choices of restaurants etc. Same with the beach, I enjoy Sosua beach but you will see prostitutes every day there.
I know E gave an update here is one more:
Sosua, Dominican Republic. - The US Embassy on Tuesday said 29 sex trafficking victims, including 20 minors ages 14 to 17 were rescued in Sosua, after an investigation and joint operation between local and US agencies.
It said the??[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902][CodeWord902][/url] victims were sent to the facility of the National Children Council (CONANI), which collaborated in the case.
In a statement the US Embassy said agents of the US Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE / HSI), the National Police, the Justice Ministry's Anti-trafficking Unit and the Puerto Plata Office of the Prosecutor took part in the operation.
As part of the investigation seven Dominican citizens were arrested, two women and five men, who were sent to one year in prison to await trial.
The suspected traffickers transported the victims to what these believed was a "sex party" and also coordinated the sexual services by the minors for the adults who participated in the alleged party.
US Ambassador James W. Brewster congratulated the Dominican government and the US security agencies for their commitment to eradicate sexual exploitation and thanked them for cooperating in this case. "It's inconceivable that people, including children, are being sold for sex in the 21st century. The Government of the United States continues to work with our partners both domestically and abroad to eliminate this evil practice. ".
The detainees were identified as Rubéand Darío Sosa, Luis Manuel Martínez Castillo, Franklin Sánchez García, Rolfi Ismael Ventura, Manuel Emilio Martinez, Idalia Luciano and Aniberca Castro.
The Puerto Plata Office of the Prosecutor is in charge of the case against the Dominican citizens whom, if convicted, could face up to 15 years in prison.
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The suspected traffickers transported the victims to what these believed was a "sex party" and also coordinated the sexual services by the minors for the adults who participated in the alleged party.
US Ambassador James W. Brewster congratulated the Dominican government and the US security agencies for their commitment to eradicate sexual exploitation and thanked them for cooperating in this case. "It's inconceivable that people, including children, are being sold for sex in the 21st century. The Government of the United States continues to work with our partners both domestically and abroad to eliminate this evil practice. ".
[/QUOTE]The biggest thing that sticks out in this case (aside from the obvious minors involved) is that pimping was going on. So this sounds exactly about right. No one is concerned if a man and a woman exchange pesos for sex. The problem arises when third parties (aka "touts", chulos") get involved in the mix.
Let that be a warning to all you guys that like to rent Villas and then have one of the local touts procure a gang of chicas for you and pay him a fee for his services. Coming back to the States with something that says you were mixed up with sex trafficking won't look too good on your employment resume; not even just for a job scrubbing toilets at Walmart.
[QUOTE=Haven123;1695426]Don't anyone be surprised if there are raids by the policia at Rumbas. Make all mongers there produce passports, spread the hands and legs, arrest them and throw them in jail and enter records in passport data base for airport immigration. Gringo mongers are going to be harassed again and again in Sosua. That is the new game plan!
They are going to shut down Rumbas too soon or arrest the owner, deport him on any pretext or harass the clientele there.
Yeah, it's BS, gringo mongers and businesses that primarily cater to them in Sosua will have no rights and the Dominicans will take over flashpoint businesses.
This is all being done for the benefit of the real estate developers in Sosua who are primarily Italian and some Russian and German.
It sucks and I am pissed too. Don't shoot the messenger please. I only started visiting in the last 18 months and do like it for the conveniences that I have described in an earlier post. We guys need to keep a low profile and not be publicly exposing the monger face of Sosua. That's what the real estate developers find is their sales hurdle because mongers generally are not at all a target customer for buying real estate in Sosua.
Yeah this is all about business and major dineros. Anyone in the way will get arrested for trumped up reasons. Happening in Costambar as well.[/QUOTE]While you claim all this, dozens of women are lining up in Rumba's and along Pedro Clisante. Dozens of guys are going to get laid tonight, the money will be exchanged and pleasure will be had, some people will have a great time, while others will go "meh". And tomorrow this will repeat itself. Whether at Rumba's, Classico's, a smaller bar, a side street, or Sosua Beach.
Life is too short to worry your claims of things that can possibly happen. Actually, you don't even say it's a possibility. You say it's the game plan and it is going to happen! I am not sure what's your deal with trying to scare people away, but if you are going to do it at least be truthful about some things and not say that people are going to be arrested soon and all their info is going to be entered into the immigration database. As if that isn't already there (as Mr. E said). When you start mentioning that something is going to happen to a visitors passport and they are going to be in trouble, you are trying to invoke fear and indicate that you don't even want them to be traveling to Sosua. What's your end game? Are you receiving something for this. Money?. A pat on the back?. A boost in confidence? The feeling of being the guy that warned people about something which happens in all cities (being arrested for doing something illegal), are you looking to save someone. And then nothing happens? People get arrested all the time. Get over it. Your fear mongering is rather annoying.
From what I've read, you seem more angry that there is prostitution in Sosua and guys are enjoying themselves. If you enjoy Sosua and have never had a problem, why are you trying to make this all out effort to warn people about things you say are "the new game plan"? Your objectives in all this are baffling. Can I suggest you post somewhere else? This board sees a lot of bickering between a few members, we don't need baseless fear mongering because one day foreigners being arrested for participating in something illegal and it decided to hit the news. Again, life is too short.
[QUOTE=Puntz79;1696094]While you claim all this, dozens of women are lining up in Rumba's and along Pedro Clisante. Dozens of guys are going to get laid tonight, the money will be exchanged and pleasure will be had, some people will have a great time, while others will go "meh". And tomorrow this will repeat itself. Whether at Rumba's, Classico's, a smaller bar, a side street, or Sosua Beach.
Life is too short to worry your claims of things that can possibly happen. Actually, you don't even say it's a possibility. You say it's the game plan and it is going to happen! I am not sure what's your deal with trying to scare people away, but if you are going to do it at least be truthful about some things and not say that people are going to be arrested soon and all their info is going to be entered into the immigration database. As if that isn't already there (as Mr. E said). When you start mentioning that something is going to happen to a visitors passport and they are going to be in trouble, you are trying to invoke fear and indicate that you don't even want them to be traveling to Sosua. What's your end game? Are you receiving something for this. Money?. A pat on the back?. A boost in confidence? The feeling of being the guy that warned people about something which happens in all cities (being arrested for doing something illegal), are you looking to save someone. And then nothing happens? People get arrested all the time. Get over it. Your fear mongering is rather annoying.
From what I've read, you seem more angry that there is prostitution in Sosua and guys are enjoying themselves. If you enjoy Sosua and have never had a problem, why are you trying to make this all out effort to warn people about things you say are "the new game plan"? Your objectives in all this are baffling. Can I suggest you post somewhere else? This board sees a lot of bickering between a few members, we don't need baseless fear mongering because one day foreigners being arrested for participating in something illegal and it decided to hit the news. Again, life is too short.[/QUOTE]Well put.
I think someone needs to don a thinking cap.
[QUOTE=SavePros321;1696065]No one is concerned if a man and a woman exchange pesos for sex. The problem arises when third parties (aka "touts", chulos") get involved in the mix.
[/QUOTE]Some government officials have expressed a desire to prosecute Johns but the DR has not acted effectively on this matter to date. Below is an example:
[URL]http://eltiempo.com.ve/mundo/suceso/un-grupo-de-16-estadounidenses-y-siete-dominicanos-fueron-detenidos-por-su-presunta-vinculacion-con-el-trafico-de-mujeres-para-prostituirlas-informo-el-jueves-la-policia-dominicana/174603[/URL]
"En 2013, el procurador general, Francisco Domnguez, advirtió que los clientes de las prostitutas tambien seran procesados por explotacion sexual."
[QUOTE=Tempoecorto;1695895]I disagree with the sleazy bit. After all what does that make the patrons, especially in this forum, to be? LOL.
I am grateful instead of bad-mouthing, even if I am not interested in dipping into Sosua pool.[/QUOTE]Sleazy was not meant in a negative connotation or to bad mouth; it was meant more like monger-favorable. After all, the word sleazy is generally associated with hookers and we all know that Sosua has plenty of them.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1696130]Sleazy was not meant in a negative connotation or to bad mouth; it was meant more like monger-favorable. After all, the word sleazy is generally associated with hookers and we all know that Sosua has plenty of them.[/QUOTE]Thanks Mr E.
I used the term humorously to describe my own "sleazy" activities there. I'm a john who pays for hookers, and enjoys the hobby.
Not meant to cast aspersions on those who only go for the sea air, the food, or the shopping. :)
[QUOTE=Oakie;1696241]Thanks Mr E.
I used the term humorously to describe my own "sleazy" activities there. I'm a john who pays for hookers, and enjoys the hobby.
Not meant to cast aspersions on those who only go for the sea air, the food, or the shopping. :)[/QUOTE]I accept your apology for slandering my beloved Sosua.
As far as shopping goes, I only shop for hookers there!
[QUOTE=Manizales911;1695971]I love Sosua but that's putting lipstick on a pig. Yes, it is POSSIBLE to stay away from the prostitution bars but staying away from prostitution itself would be impossible and you would be limiting your choices of restaurants etc. Same with the beach, I enjoy Sosua beach but you will see prostitutes every day there.[/QUOTE]If you haven't been there try Alicia beach at the end of Calle Rosen just down the hill from Casa Cayena. A beautiful beach, clean, no vendors, and I have never seen any hookers there prowling the beach.
[QUOTE=Frannie;1695959]I don't think Sosua is sleazy, especially compared to red light districts in major cities around the world. You don't find pornography shops, sex toy shops, strip clubs, and sex shows like in Amsterdam.
It is a pleasant resort and retirement town with a handful of chica bars over a block or two that come alive at night. It is quite possible to live in Sosua and never go anywhere near the prostitution bars during their business hours.[/QUOTE]There's an article in Sosua News quoting the DR Tourism minister Garcia at a conference in Berlin as saying: "Sosua must undergo a moral rehabilitation and return to a family resort".
I think your characterization of the town is spot on, so the meaning of "moral rehabilitation" is pretty simple. They just have to close down a few of the big clubs that pull in hundred's of chicas to few blocks of Pedro Clisante at night. That plus a few raids and symbolic enforcement and they can declare victory. It's more a matter of reputation and discretion. Sosua would be more like Caberete for an older crowd. Caberete has plenty of p4 p chicas but the scene isn't as obvious.
I'm not as confident as Haven that this will roll the way developers want, but I think he's correct in pointing out that there are people with some influence who want it.