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Can you arrive prior to 7 PM (and pay lower entrance fee) stay a bit and leave and come back later after 10 PM will they let you in without paying an additional fee? Or will they charge the difference or full late night fee?.[/QUOTE]I remember that your cover will be 400 but all 400 is consumable.
[QUOTE=UniversalX;2717916]Can you arrive prior to 7 PM (and pay lower entrance fee) stay a bit and leave and come back later after 10 PM will they let you in without paying an additional fee? Or will they charge the difference or full late night fee?[/QUOTE]You don't get charge twice, just make sure you tell them you coming back later and get a wristband.
[QUOTE=FlowState985;2717941]You don't get charge twice, just make sure you tell them you coming back later and get a wristband.[/QUOTE]Muito bom.
[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2717796]I think this is an example of different strokes for different folks or another way of looking at it is some guys prefer being a big fish in a small pond and some guys prefer swimming in the big blue ocean.
The first few times I went to Scandallo I arrived before 7 pm. The large entertainment bar and the courtyard bar were roped off due to the relatively small number of girls & customers. I still found a few girls to my liking, but overall, the quality, not to mention the quantity, was nowhere as good as it is later on at night, so I began arriving later and later until I finally began arriving between 2100 to 2130 which I found to be optimal. But if you like the early show that is fine by me.[/QUOTE]The hottest girl I ever met at Scandallo had the booty on duty at 7 pm when I got there. After that, I continued to arrive around 7 pm and always found a hottie to fuck early. Then from there I like to have dinner. Afterwards, drinks and walking and lounging around until I find at least one more tute to my liking. Fuck again. Drink again. Maybe one more girl if the night is good. Different strokes for different folks. Different dicks for different chicks! Oh, snd my favorite nights to go are consistently Fridays and Saturdays. Never get the claims that Saturdays are no good because it's always been jam packed during Saturday prime time hours when I went (shrugs).
[QUOTE=Nounce;2717918]I remember that your cover will be 400 but all 400 is consumable.[/QUOTE]This is what I think how it works. If you go at 3 PM, you pay 250. Then you comeback after 7 PM. Assume you consume nothing at all after 7 PM. I think you will still be charged 150. So the total for the two entries will be 400.
The reason is because I saw the receipt was 400 and 250 was deducted from it but I did not ask anyone about it.
[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2717796]I think this is an example of different strokes for different folks or another way of looking at it is some guys prefer being a big fish in a small pond and some guys prefer swimming in the big blue ocean.
The first few times I went to Scandallo I arrived before 7 pm. The large entertainment bar and the courtyard bar were roped off due to the relatively small number of girls & customers. I still found a few girls to my liking, but overall, the quality, not to mention the quantity, was nowhere as good as it is later on at night, so I began arriving later and later until I finally began arriving between 2100 to 2130 which I found to be optimal. But if you like the early show that is fine by me.[/QUOTE]Most girls that arrive for the day or evening shift are more "classy" looking like you can take them out no problem, the ones that come at night are more "hardcore" looking I've found. So depends if you want GFE or pse LOL.
Girls have to go 5 days a week like any other job and if they don't they need to pay an entrance fee so most do not want to go on Mondays since it is super slow so they end up going on Saturday since its closed on Sundays. Or they pay the fee because they can afford it.
Took a girl I haven't seen in 2 years there, she said lets go out for the same price but I did not remember but she did, she stayed 24 HR for 1300 R they never forget what you paid them LOL.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2718077]This is what I think how it works. If you go at 3 PM, you pay 250. Then you comeback after 7 PM. Assume you consume nothing at all after 7 PM. I think you will still be charged 150. So the total for the two entries will be 400.
The reason is because I saw the receipt was 400 and 250 was deducted from it but I did not ask anyone about it.[/QUOTE]No just one charge, if you don't consume you lose it.
Cane, I never said one could not find a sexy girl at 7 pm in Scandallo and I am not questioning your experience, of hooking up with the hottest girl you ever met at Scandallo at 7, but that is an anomaly to state the obvious. Still, I am glad to hear you struck gold at 7. Like I said I have had pleasant early evening encounters with really nice girls as well, but the mother lode of smokin' hot women happens later on as I think you know.
But it is always the case of different Chicks for different Dicks. So, I will take a stab at it now. KKK. Here goes. In my humble opinion there are 4 types of girls found at Scandallo in prime time:
Tier 1 are model quality girls. What in my estimation is a model quality girl? It is a girl that I am instantly attracted to, blown away by her good looks. I. E. A girl that I find beautiful within a nano second of seeing her, no hesitation, first glance. I am talking about her face. It takes me a little longer to judge the attractiveness of the girl's body. Unfortunately there are some very beautiful faces in Scandallo with large, obviously fake tits, so when I observe this phenomenon, these particular girls fall out of MY Tier 1 category. In any case, Tier 1 girls know they are hot and that they are in high demand. Many show up whenever they want. After 10 pm girls have to pay a 200 br entrance fee and I have seen drop dead beauties showing up at 11 pm and later. They don't care. They make the big money and have lots of things going on in and outside of Scandallo. I have had some Tier 1 girls initially quote me 2000 br for an in-house session, but I never paid one more than 1200 br. She was worth it by the way.
Tier 2 girls are sexy and very pretty girls, but I usually have to think about their looks a while before deciding if I am really attracted to them and want to pursue things further and buy them a drink. Tier 2 girls can have great bodies, as fine as any Tier 1 girl. The difference is all in their faces. Most of my Scandallo girls are Tier 2 types. I have never paid more than 700 br per in-house session for a Tier 2. That is incorrect. Last trip I gave a pretty Tier 2 Indigenous girl and extra 200 br for bareback. It was worth it to me.
Tier 3 girls are girls I frankly do not find attractive for a variety of reasons like plain faces (ugly) or lousy bodies (naturally fat or augmented) or both. There are plenty of these types in Scandallo. Ha Ha. On a scale of 1 to 10 I rate Tier 3 girls between 5 to 5. 8.
Tier 4 girls are a sub-category of Tier 3. I would rank these girls Tier 1 or Tier 2 if not for their "enhancements" ie huge fake tits and fake butts which ruin things for me. But I know plenty of guys like these kinds of girls hence the phrase different chicks for different dicks is very apropos or as John Lennon once sang, "Whatever gets you through the night. It's alright, it's alright.
Again, these Tiers are based on my subjective evaluations after having visited Scandallo at least 50 times in the post-covid era in October / November 2021 & April / May 2022. One thing is clear: I really like the joint. The only other bordello that rates as highly in my mind is a joint called Malioboro / Malio Club in Jakarta.
And one last thing: a friend of mine from the Thai forum once said, if you don't post pictures in your report, it did not happen, Ha Ha, and I generally agree with this because anybody can say his girl was a "10" or a "9" or whatever and he really believes it but his descriptions do not help me much unless I know the guy and I know he has solid taste in women. But I won't post pics of my girls in an open forum, so you will have to take my word for it that I know what a good-looking girl is when I see her or not. It is up to the reader to decide if what I post is real or BS.
[QUOTE=Hobbying;2718079]Girls have to go 5 days a week like any other job and if they don't they need to pay an entrance fee so most do not want to go on Mondays since it is super slow so they end up going on Saturday since its closed on Sundays. Or they pay the fee because they can afford it.
Took a girl I haven't seen in 2 years there, she said lets go out for the same price but I did not remember but she did, she stayed 24 HR for 1300 R they never forget what you paid them LOL.[/QUOTE]Those are 2 great points, Hobbying.
Point 1: Tier 1 girls can afford the entrance fee, so they come and go as they want. They are true independent contractors. I have seen drop dead beauties arriving at 11 or 11:30 pm. They pay the entrance fee because they know they can get it back as a small part of their service charge.
Point 2: My current favorite Scandallo girl (S) is a Tier 2 girl ie she is a sexy, cute, girl next door type. I like her best out of all my SP girls because she is the sweetest girl I have met in a long, long time and because we are very in-sync, almost like one, in bed. I first met her back in October 2021. Her Scandallo in-house price then was 500 br. I hooked up with her again this last April and her in-house price to me was still 500 br although most of my new (April / May) Tier 2 girls were asking a lot more and accepting 700 br from me. I am (S) is getting more than 500 br from her new customers. But I don't feel sorry for her. Ha ha. She upsold me on the virtues of seeing me at my hotel at 900 br for 3 to 4 hours. It is totally worth the extended ST and just what I want.
Back to Point 1: Since (S) is a Tier 2 girl and thus is not able to command the big session fees the superstars get; she needs to follow the rules so she can avoid paying an entrance fee which for her includes arriving before 10 pm and staying at Scandallo until closing time. Those Mondays on which she has to show up are the worst nights for her since it is most likely going to be a long slow night although you never know.
During my last 4 nights in town, I chatted with (S) Monday afternoon just to have a little talk. I was aware that I was acting kind of romantic, but I did not care. We had just spent Sunday night together and it was a great night. So, I am talking to her Monday afternoon, and she is a little bummed out because she has to go to Scandallo tonight. So, out of nowhere I have this Sir Galahad moment and I tell her I might drop by and see her tonight. This perks her up big time and I realize too late what a big mouth I have. KKK.
Anyway, we settle on a 9 to 9:30 hookup and I show up around 9:30 and there she is waiting for me with a big smile at a small un-roped off section of the entertainment bar. There is hardly anyone in the place. We have a drink and talk a little. Then I ask her what she wants to do, but she does not get the drift of what I am saying so I tell her we can either go upstairs or go back to my hotel. Well, she literally beamed when I offered to take her back to my hotel because it meant she would not have to spend the night bored to death at Scandallo until 4 am, but then she immediately warned me it would cost me 200 br to take her out of the club. I said not a problem and her was response was all the thanks I needed. Long story short, we went back to my hotel, smoked a joint, drank half a bottle of quality Malbec, boom boomed, ordered room service, ate, finished the wine, boom boomed, smoked some more reefer and streamed a couple of episodes of "Trailer Park Boys" on Netflix in Portuguese / English subtitles. It was another great night with my favorite SP girl, and she left around 3 am.
Anyway, the point of my story is (S) like many Scandallo girls views what she does at Scandallo as a job just like any other. She has her work days (nights) and hours, and she reports on time, or she is docked in pay (the entrance fee) if she arrives after 10 pm. I really dig her and she is the main reason I am returning to SP in October instead of flying to BKK. I am planning to take her on a short holiday to Isabela. I will let you guys know how that turns out.
[QUOTE=Hobbying;2718080]No just one charge, if you don't consume you lose it.[/QUOTE]You mean you will be charged 0 if you go back after 7 PM and leave at 7:30 PM without ordering anything?
Some of the comments regarding the following are a bit off / confusing:
1) early / re-entry at Scandallo for guys / clients.
2) girls' working days and free invites back without paying admission.
My info is from numerous personal experiences regarding the former and what 4 + girls have told me regarding the latter.
Arriving before 7 pm, leaving and retuning later in the evening:
If you enter before 7 pm, you pay 200 E (It used to be 150, all consumption). Of that 200 E, 150 is consumption, but I saw a few times, it was 150 admission, all consumption. I think that's for Mondays. On certain special days, where they have in demand / popular live musicians or special events, the admission is even higher. (6-800). On those occasions the consumption included is also higher. When you leave the first time, any of the consumption not spent are lost.
When you return, you pay no admission / cover and just whatever you consume.
Here are 2 examples:
1). You arrive at 5 pm, you spend all your included consumption. You pay 200 plus whatever consumption is above included amount when you leave. When you return at 9 pm, They know you were there earlier in the day as your ID is in the system. But I always mentioned that I was there earlier in the day, in case they didn't notice. You now just pay whatever you consume. So if you spend 50 on drinks you pay 50 when you leave for the second time.
2). You arrive at 6 pm. See nothing you like and spend only 50 on drinks / food. You pay 200 when you leave the first time. Any unspent included consumption is lost upon leaving. It does not carry over to your return later in the evening. When you return for the second time, you just pay whatever you can consume when you leave. Just like example 1.
My friends and I often go there before 7:00 usually around 3 or 4:00 pm We will spend a couple of hours there, and then we leave to go eat at a nice restaurant. Then we return at 10:00 or 11:00 pm And just pay whatever we consume on our second time there.
From my experience, the pros and cons of the early shift are.
Pros:.
Oftentimes you find girls who can't stay out late due to family or work obligations for their primary job. A lot of these girls are not regulars. Many part timers fall into this group. But part-timers also show up at night too, but less per ratio.
I have met day time girls in the medical profession who work at night, so they show up at Scandalo during the day. I have met girls who were there just temporarily to get through some temporary tough times and they show up during the day so their family don't suspect and think they are working a regular job during the day. Most of the professional girls I have met at scandalo were during the day shift. Some examples are a doctor, a lawyer, an actress, a TV personality, multiple real professional models with a significant portfolio, multiple professional dancers, an engineer and even a teacher.
Most of the girls I met who only did this rarely were met during the day (12 to 8 pm). Many of them just needed something quick to get through some tough times or quicky hated it and stopped shortly after.
Oftentimes you can get cheaper pricing from girls during the day as there are less customers so it's more of a buyer's market in some sense. This might not apply to girls who start later in the afternoon or early evening (5 pm or later) as they can still count on the night crowd later in the evening. As stated by others, the girls need to work 8 hours to get a free invite back the next day. The exception is if they get a "Salida", which is a 250 take out fee. I suspect they can also leave before 8 hours and get a free invite back the next day, bif they do a certain amount of rooms in house.
Con:
There are a lot less girls during the day than at night so obviously your options are more limited. So on any given afternoon you might not find a girl that fits your taste if you are picky. That is almost never a problem at night, unless your taste of very very niche.
Summary:
I think you will find more "grinders / full timers" working in the evening, as there is a higher chance to get a customer at night, due to more customers, even though there are more competition with more girls.
With that said, there are various exemption to the rule. Some of top girls can command more, both in and outside of the club, so can ignore the free invites. They can come and go as they please.
A lot of these girls have regular clients that pay them enough to see them outside of the club that they can just go to Scandallo when they have an opening on their calendar. Or they are whisked away for vacation trips often or travel to work internationally (usually Dubai or Europe) and work in Scandallo only when they are home visiting family, miss home, etc.
Free invite back / girls working full time:
As for how the the regular shift / free invite works, the girls need to work 5 consecutive days a week to avoid paying admission. They can choose Saturday or Monday as their second day off on top of Sunday. A girl must work 8 hours or have a guy take them out of the club to get a free invite back the next "business" day.
Once they miss a day of work that are not part of their selected 2nd day off, they will have to pay admission on their next visit and the cycle repeats, where they will get a free invite after working 8 hours / or get a Salida.
So a girl can work 1) Tuesday to Saturday or 2) Monday to Friday. If they work Tuesday to Saturday, the next free invite is for Tuesday (Sunday and Monday off). If they work Monday to Friday, their next free invite is for Monday (Saturday and Sunday off). They can also change which is the second day off anytime they want.
Given the above, most full-timers prefer Monday's off on top of Sundays, because Saturday is usually less slow than Monday.
[QUOTE=SocratesNY;2718264] So a girl can work 1) Tuesday to Saturday or 2) Monday to Friday. If they work Tuesday to Saturday, the next free invite is for Tuesday (Sunday and Monday off). If they work Monday to Friday, their next free invite is for Monday (Saturday and Sunday off). They can also change which is the second day off anytime they want.
Given the above, most full-timers prefer Monday's off on top of Sundays, because Saturday is usually less slow than Monday.[/QUOTE]Some great info in here. I frequent Scandallo alot during the evenings but will try to make it in during one of these daytime shifts. I'd be interested in seeing what talent comes through. Also noteworthy is that I can re-enter without paying a second admission fee, never knew that.
[QUOTE=SocratesNY;2718264]Some of the comments regarding the following are a bit off / confusing:
1) early / re-entry at Scandallo for guys / clients.
2) girls' working days and free invites back without paying admission.
My info is from numerous personal experiences regarding the former and what 4 + girls have told me regarding the latter.[/QUOTE]Outstanding, Very Comprehensive. Thanks.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2718152]You mean you will be charged 0 if you go back after 7 PM and leave at 7:30 PM without ordering anything?[/QUOTE]Yes, you can sample the day and evening shift and come back for the night shift girls.
[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2718136]Those are 2 great points, Hobbying.
Point 1: Tier 1 girls can afford the entrance fee, so they come and go as they want. They are true independent contractors. I have seen drop dead beauties arriving at 11 or 11:30 pm. They pay the entrance fee because they know they can get it back as a small part of their service charge.
Point 2: My current favorite Scandallo girl (S) is a Tier 2 girl ie she is a sexy, cute, girl next door type. I like her best out of all my SP girls because she is the sweetest girl I have met in a long, long time and because we are very in-sync, almost like one, in bed. I first met her back in October 2021. Her Scandallo in-house price then was 500 br. I hooked up with her again this last April and her in-house price to me was still 500 br although most of my new (April / May) Tier 2 girls were asking a lot more and accepting 700 br from me. I am (S) is getting more than 500 br from her new customers. But I don't feel sorry for her. Ha ha. She upsold me on the virtues of seeing me at my hotel at 900 br for 3 to 4 hours. It is totally worth the extended ST and just what I want.
Back to Point 1: Since (S) is a Tier 2 girl and thus is not able to command the big session fees the superstars get; she needs to follow the rules so she can avoid paying an entrance fee which for her includes arriving before 10 pm and staying at Scandallo until closing time. Those Mondays on which she has to show up are the worst nights for her since it is most likely going to be a long slow night although you never know..[/QUOTE]A strategy I use often is to tell the girl I want a test drive upstairs and if it goes well we can go out. Gives them incentive to put in some extra effort upstairs if I intend to take her our not. But it also has backfired, they were great the first time but a dud the second time.
I called up two girls I've been with, It's been forever since I was with two girls at the same time. It was one the most memorable time, one girl joined the 5 finger club while the other ATM while I bare anal the other ending in cumswap swallow, pse to the max. Why go to any other country?
They'll let me film it next time so I'll have proof LOL.
Girls love to try new experiences, and I like to challenge them. I met this lovely girl in the Cafe Photo (the second address, now they have a third one) who's battle name was Alexa (a name I really like). Well, we met two more times, the second time we arranged a super hot photoshoot. She loved the idea. She introduced her friend who had a great ass and long long legs as you can see. They came to my hotel very late at night, around 3 am, I had to reserve one more room so the guys at the hotel won't complain. The production started around 10 am after having breakfast, then I showed them my toys and wardrobes. They loved them.
These two lovely beauties interacted very well indeed, the blonde girl bending over and taking those black stockings off in ultra high heels. Meanwhile the brunette going naked in the bathroom trying masks uuhhhh a great view as you can imagine. When we finished the shoot, I told the brunette to stay so we could fuck again, she could not, so we met at night. It was awesome crazy fuck, we watched the videos of the shoot on the turntable screen while fucking doggy style. She had a true crazy orgasm I will not forget. 'cause I also screamed like a mad man when I came. LOL.
I love to produce powerful images that speak for themselves and yeah I know about great great asses, I worship them!
Note: See image 3 so you can check it is Brazil indeed. And if you know carioca polititians, you'll identify the guy on the screen on the fifth.
Note 2: I have the talent's release of course, so nothing to worry about. I'm an experienced visual producer.
[QUOTE=SocratesNY;2718264]Some of the comments regarding the following are a bit off / confusing:....[/QUOTE]Thanks for the clarification, and sorry about causing the confusion.
[QUOTE=Hobbying;2718423]Yes, you can sample the day and evening shift and come back for the night shift girls.[/QUOTE]
Thank you! I read too much into the receipt I got the only time I did it.
[QUOTE=HiddenEye;2718565]Girls love to try new experiences, and I like to challenge them. I met this lovely girl in the Cafe Photo (the second address, now they have a third one) who's battle name was Alexa (a name I really like). Well, we met two more times, the second time we arranged a super hot photoshoot. She loved the idea. She introduced her friend who had a great ass and long long legs as you can see. They came to my hotel very late at night, around 3 am, I had to reserve one more room so the guys at the hotel won't complain. The production started around 10 am after having breakfast, then I showed them my toys and wardrobes. They loved them.
These two lovely beauties interacted very well indeed, the blonde girl bending over and taking those black stockings off in ultra high heels. Meanwhile the brunette going naked in the bathroom trying masks uuhhhh a great view as you can imagine. When we finished the shoot, I told the brunette to stay so we could fuck again, she could not, so we met at night. It was awesome crazy fuck, we watched the videos of the shoot on the turntable screen while fucking doggy style. She had a true crazy orgasm I will not forget. 'cause I also screamed like a mad man when I came. LOL.
I love to produce powerful images that speak for themselves and yeah I know about great great asses, I worship them!
Note: See image 3 so you can check it is Brazil indeed. And if you know carioca polititians, you'll identify the guy on the screen on the fifth.
Note 2: I have the talent's release of course, so nothing to worry about. I'm an experienced visual producer.[/QUOTE]Glad to see São Paulo is still the jewel of hobbying.
Cafe photo girls seem to bring really good energy in my experience.
Hopefully it has picked up from my last visit in November.
Interesting that you paid for another room rather than just have them meet you at a love motel.
Love motels are the staples of SP and one should really make good use of them!
Lush, apple, Asturias and other love motels.
They provide food and drinks, pools, hot tubs, costumes and different sex furnitures.
Usually if you book after midnight you get the whole room until 1 or 2 pm.
Otherwise before then it's usually 4 HR and every other hour is extra.
Usually prices go for 300-500 brl but you definitely get the most bang for your buck kkk.
Plus you don't have to clean up the mess afterwards.
Don't miss out on these motels.
You're not an honorary paulista until you've have.
[QUOTE=HiddenEye;2718565]Girls love to try new experiences, and I like to challenge them. I met this lovely girl in the Cafe Photo (the second address, now they have a third one) who's battle name was Alexa (a name I really like). Well, we met two more times, the second time we arranged a super hot photoshoot. She loved the idea. She introduced her friend who had a great ass and long long legs as you can see. [/QUOTE]Great stuff HiddenEye. On my last SP visit I enjoyed 2 memorable menage a trois, both were bisexual free range. I posted about the 1st one with 2 Scandallo girls in-house. The 2nd one was with a girl that I met one night at Bomboa who occasionally places adds with ClubModel and her girlfriend. Menage #2 took place at my room at the Hilton. I really enjoy 3 ways of this nature, but it all depends on having girls that are up for it and that I am into.
In regards Cafe Photo location (s): I am only aware of the one at Av. Dos Bandeirantes, 1515 - Itaim Bibi. And then there is Lotus Club at.
Av. Juscelino Kubitschek, 373 where the old Photo Club used to be. Where is the third one you mention located?
Oh yeah, Cafe Photo had one address before there in the Juscelino, it was na Vila Nova Conceição. That's in the early 2000's. That house changed the game LOL. Here a Link to that story.
[URL]https://vejasp.abril.com.br/cidades/cafe-photo-prepara-mudanca-para-itaim/[/URL]
Some guys from Millenium Café and new partners joined to invest in the Juselino address. Now I know that one is still from the old foundationary partner. A genius. I will visit the new place in the upcoming months.
My balls are willing a "four hands" service already hahahahaha a menage a trois.
[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2718733]Great stuff HiddenEye. On my last SP visit I enjoyed 2 memorable menage a trois, both were bisexual free range. I posted about the 1st one with 2 Scandallo girls in-house. The 2nd one was with a girl that I met one night at Bomboa who occasionally places adds with ClubModel and her girlfriend. Menage #2 took place at my room at the Hilton. I really enjoy 3 ways of this nature, but it all depends on having girls that are up for it and that I am into.
In regards Cafe Photo location (s): I am only aware of the one at Av. Dos Bandeirantes, 1515 - Itaim Bibi. And then there is Lotus Club at.
Av. Juscelino Kubitschek, 373 where the old Photo Club used to be. Where is the third one you mention located?[/QUOTE]Hi Bearsi, yes, love motels are great. I have the great luck to know few love motels in South, center and West Brazil since the early 2000's. Having sex at noon, at 30°see and cold beer in such places is simply great. Those motels make you feel like on the beach. Being very in the deeps of Brazil.
Just let me know if someone needs info.
[QUOTE=Bearsi;2718711]Glad to see So Paulo is still the jewel of hobbying.
Cafe photo girls seem to bring really good energy in my experience.
Hopefully it has picked up from my last visit in November.
Interesting that you paid for another room rather than just have them meet you at a love motel.
Love motels are the staples of SP and one should really make good use of them!
Lush, apple, Asturias and other love motels.
They provide food and drinks, pools, hot tubs, costumes and different sex furnitures..[/QUOTE]
I'm traveling to SP from US for work and I've been going through this forum and I'm undecided. I had been browsing Saopaoloescortguide and they sent me a couple options. I'm pretty selective and can't stand when girls don't look like their pictures so I'm looking for the best way to get a top tier companion. I figured online was the best way to go but someone suggested cafe photo or Scandello and I'm now considering this. Last time I went to brothel was in Barcelona and it was a very pushy experience and I did not like it. I prefer an upscale and clean environment where I can take my time and identify one who speaks to me who fits my mood for appearance that day. Happy to take any input for a Brazil newbie so I can make the most of my time when I'm not working.
[QUOTE=GQ777;2719536]I'm traveling to SP from US for work and I've been going through this forum and I'm undecided. I had been browsing Saopaoloescortguide and they sent me a couple options. I'm pretty selective and can't stand when girls don't look like their pictures so I'm looking for the best way to get a top tier companion. I figured online was the best way to go but someone suggested cafe photo or Scandello and I'm now considering this. Last time I went to brothel was in Barcelona and it was a very pushy experience and I did not like it. I prefer an upscale and clean environment where I can take my time and identify one who speaks to me who fits my mood for appearance that day. Happy to take any input for a Brazil newbie so I can make the most of my time when I'm not working.[/QUOTE]Don't waste time and money on bait and switch online scams. You sound like the type of guy who would like Scandallo:
[URL]https://youtu.be/F9wWoM0zaE4[/URL]
[URL]https://youtu.be/YEV51mFxVxo[/URL]
The only caveat is that the line-up may not be as good as pre-pandemic. But, based on the reports I have read, this is not exclusive to Scandallo. Lineups suffered all over the world, and have not fully recovered yet in most top destinations.
[QUOTE=GQ777;2719536]I'm traveling to SP from US for work and I've been going through this forum and I'm undecided. I had been browsing Saopaoloescortguide and they sent me a couple options. I'm pretty selective and can't stand when girls don't look like their pictures so I'm looking for the best way to get a top tier companion. I figured online was the best way to go but someone suggested cafe photo or Scandello and I'm now considering this. Last time I went to brothel was in Barcelona and it was a very pushy experience and I did not like it. I prefer an upscale and clean environment where I can take my time and identify one who speaks to me who fits my mood for appearance that day. Happy to take any input for a Brazil newbie so I can make the most of my time when I'm not working.[/QUOTE]How many times do we experienced SP BM's have to say this?
Scandallo is a world class bordello. Period. It is a must see / must do kind of place when in SP. If you want to fool around with escorts, have at it. It is your time, your money, and your preference. There are some very attractive escorts, but I for one would rather go out at night and see what SP has to offer than stay cooped up in my hotel room.
The problem you mentioned with escorts, the picture issue, which on the better escort sites is not a question of fake pictures, but occasionally that of photoshopped glam pics and / or out of date pics that do not give a totally accurate view of how the girl looks today in person in real life although she would still be recognizable from her photos so it is not bait & switch.
Thus this is not as big a problem as the issue which arises from not having met the girl before making a date and therefor having no idea what the girl's personality is like or whether you even like her when she knocks on your door. I spent a lot of time with escorts from MClass in SP and Barra Vip's in RJ during the April 2021 lockdown because essentially I had no choice since all the boates and termas were closed by government decree. Yes, I met some great girls online and I am still in touch with 2 of them, but I also had a few sessions with girls that I would not have chosen if I had met them in a club. This critical issue does not arise with boate and terma girls because of the obvious fact that you can flirt with any of the girls you are physically attracted to without any pressure before deciding to ask them upstairs or to go to your hotel. This is the optimal way to do things unless there is some other factor like a lack of infrastructure ie brick and mortar bars and clubs to find sexy accommodating girls which is definitely not the case in SP or RJ.
So enjoy the ambience of a great brothel / nightclub. Scandallo is both. And I think you will find that by selecting a girl to your specific liking from a eye to eye, face to face, lip to lips, friendly audition is not only fun, but the best way to find whatever it is that you are looking for. Search the forum for all the Scandallo reports. I don't think you will find one negative post.
Then after a couple nights at Scandallo I recommend you try some other boates, but only if you can tear yourself away from Scandallo. LOL. Bomboa is my 2nd favorite Boate in SP. It is very different from Scandallo. So you should probably check it out just for comparison sake. It is a friendly neighborhood boate and Bombao girls are very friendly and the atmosphere is conducive to having a relaxed good time. Casarao Augusta would be my 3rd recommendation especially for late night trysts and Cafe Photo would be 4th choice.
Have a great time on your trip and be sure to post a trip report.
[QUOTE=GQ777;2719536]I'm traveling to SP from US for work and I've been going through this forum and I'm undecided. I had been browsing Saopaoloescortguide and they sent me a couple options. I'm pretty selective and can't stand when girls don't look like their pictures so I'm looking for the best way to get a top tier companion. I figured online was the best way to go but someone suggested cafe photo or Scandello and I'm now considering this. Last time I went to brothel was in Barcelona and it was a very pushy experience and I did not like it. I prefer an upscale and clean environment where I can take my time and identify one who speaks to me who fits my mood for appearance that day. Happy to take any input for a Brazil newbie so I can make the most of my time when I'm not working.[/QUOTE]Your best bet is going to Scandallo later at night. There is some top escort talent in Sao Paulo, but it takes time and patience researching in an unfamiliar language to sort out who are the top performers. Most foreign men get tripped up by seeing some great on-line photos of a model. Either the girl you meet isn't the model or was that girl ten years and twenty pounds ago. Not to mention the escort might not deliver what she promised.
[QUOTE=GQ777;2719536]I figured online was the best way to go but someone suggested cafe photo or Scandello and I'm now considering this. [/QUOTE]I went to both this week, and Scandallo was the better experience by far. The girls at Cafe Photo (1515) were decent looking, but nobody was there who wow'd me. They also don't have rooms on site, so you need to take the girl elsewhere. In terms of pushy behavior, the one girl I spoke to said they were not allowed to talk to a customer unless the customer initiated / called them over. The cover was 350 R if I recall correctly, which felt like a lot given the lineup. One concern I had was they asked for my fingerprint to get in, and had I known that in advance I never would have went, but given that I was already there and my brain wasn't doing the driving, I went along with it.
Scandallo charges 400 R entry, has rooms on site, and has far more girls. They also require the girls to check their phones in while in the club for customer privacy, which is a nice touch. My first visit to Scandallo I wasn't planning on doing anything because of the prices, but once I was there I ended up taking a girl upstairs. I've been back three times now, and in my experience its the one place where you are all but guaranteed to find any type of girl. Nobody at Scandallo was pushy, though some women did approach me unsolicited so either they don't have that same rule, or the girls are more willing to break it given the size of the club.
In terms of value, I mostly hit up the Clinicas during the day. An hour with a good looking girl can be had for 180-250 R, you really can't beat it. Obviously quality can be hit or miss, but I've seen many women in the Clinicas who were better looking than all the girls at Cafe Photo. Though in their defense, I only went the one time and it was quiet, so maybe it was not their best lineup. In closing, I'd say at Scandallo you're going to find whatever you're looking for, but you're probably going to overpay for it a bit. The girls mostly ask in the 1,000 R range, though many can be had for less. 800 R is probably the most you should pay, though some will ask for as much as 2,000 R. I don't go out at night a ton, but if I do its mostly to Scandallo.
So I forget to mentioned when I posted my report from my last trip to SP / Scandello.
I met this tall thin girl and we really hit with each other (or at least she did a good job acting like it) and she told me that this is her first day and she is very new to this. I was going with the flow. I asked her to have a session. She was like "I am not sure if she is ready" and then we had few more drinks and she finally said how much would you pay for in-house session. I literally said - "I can pay 6 or 7" and of course I meant 600-700. (more on this later) - she said "let's go with 7" so we went to the room and had our session.
NOW is the ODD PART.
I paid her 700 and she said, no she meant 7000 - and I am like WTF. I told her, that's something unheard of and no one will pay you that price, not even in USA. So she stared doing drama and soft-crying and shit. I felt bad but she was like not you cheated me and blah blah blah.
Was wondering anyone faced this sorta odd experiences in Scandello?
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[QUOTE=Gabbarsing;2719677]Snip.
NOW is the ODD PART.
I paid her 700 and she said, no she meant 7000 - and I am like WTF. I told her, that's something unheard of and no one will pay you that price, not even in USA. So she stared doing drama and soft-crying and shit. I felt bad but she was like not you cheated me and blah blah blah.
Was wondering anyone faced this sorta odd experiences in Scandello?
Snip[/QUOTE]Did she accept it or you had to go to management? Did they support you?
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[QUOTE=JZeleznik;2719615]The girls at Cafe Photo (1515) were decent looking, but nobody was there who wow'd me. [b]One concern I had was they asked for my fingerprint to get in, and had I known that in advance I never would have went, but given that I was already there and my brain wasn't doing the driving, I went along with it.[/b][/QUOTE]ID is one thing, Fingerprints to me is a little too much. Anyone else experience this? What if you declined and walked away would they reconsider and try to get you to patronize instead of loosing 350 R?
[QUOTE=GQ777;2719536]I'm traveling to SP from US for work and I've been going through this forum and I'm undecided. I had been browsing Saopaoloescortguide and they sent me a couple options. I'm pretty selective and can't stand when girls don't look like their pictures so I'm looking for the best way to get a top tier companion. I figured online was the best way to go but someone suggested cafe photo or Scandello and I'm now considering this. Last time I went to brothel was in Barcelona and it was a very pushy experience and I did not like it. I prefer an upscale and clean environment where I can take my time and identify one who speaks to me who fits my mood for appearance that day. Happy to take any input for a Brazil newbie so I can make the most of my time when I'm not working.[/QUOTE]Scandallo also.
If you want a daytime place, try a high end clinica like lotus lounge. It's tablet based presentation of pics of the girls but pics are pretty accurate. And there is some quality control.
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2204-Sao-Paulo-Reports&p=2643920&highlight=Lotus[/URL]+lounge#post2643920.
Hey fellas,
Long time lurker, first time poster here. I want to plan a trip to Brazil sometime early next year. I wanted to know if as a first timer going to Brazil would SP be the best option or Rio or some other place for that matter. I've been liking what I've read here so far, so I'm leaning towards SP. Any help would be appreciated.
[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2719749]Did she accept it or you had to go to management? Did they support you?[/QUOTE]She accepted it but she was like "you should be happy that I am not reporting to the security" - By that time it was my 4th night at the club and they knew I am just a happy monger. But still she was trying to show me tht "stick" to persuade me to pay 7000. I was sure in my head that no matter what, I ain't paying that girl 7000.
[QUOTE=Zeyto;2719804]Hey fellas,
Long time lurker, first time poster here. I want to plan a trip to Brazil sometime early next year. I wanted to know if as a first timer going to Brazil would SP be the best option or Rio or some other place for that matter. I've been liking what I've read here so far, so I'm leaning towards SP. Any help would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]Next year? You got 6+ months to read this forum then.
[QUOTE=UniversalX;2719771]ID is one thing, Fingerprints to me is a little too much. Anyone else experience this? What if you declined and walked away would they reconsider and try to get you to patronize instead of loosing 350 R?[/QUOTE]I've been to Photo during Formula 1 last year when the cream of the crop shows up but the girls inside were disappointing so I never went back.
Fingerprint is to invasive, imagine a data breach?
At Scandallo they ask Brazilians for their RG, national ID which is invasive also. If you are a gringo, the cashiers have no idea what is a Real ID or not.
Good afternoon, galera! After much time reading this board I have finally decided to post and share, gradually, some of my experiences over the last 17 (years. I am 56 year-old person and I visited Brazil for the first time at the age of 4. I just spent the the entire month (4 weeks) of June in SP (two weeks), Rio (one weeks) and one week in a small town in the interior of SP. (This week had nothing to do with working girls, only friendships because I lived in this small Brazilian town for five years).
I have many experiences to share from last month's visit and hope. If I do not lose interest. To share some of the past experiences.
Where did I indulge myself this past month?
1st week Sao Paulo - (1) once at Casarao (my first night in the country despite being tired. I could not resist). 400 reais for one hour with a rocking, short Baiana. Their performances are usually reliably.
Enthusiastic. I was certain to ask her what her restrictions were. What she did and didn't do and if she did sexo oral sem preservativo.
- (2) twice with a high-end twitter girl I had made contact with while in the States; this had to be arranged via WhatsApp and proved a big hassle as she wanted a "sinal' (deposit) before.
Scheduling a visit. The scheduling turned out to be BIG hassle. Most Americans will not deal with the deposit and I do not intend to do it ever again. Too much risk. But this girl was.
Spectacularly sexy. A unique mix of white, black (not really a mulata though), and indigena. From her twitter account I had reasonable confidence in her but it was a hassle because.
I do not have a CPF, PIX, PayPal, none of these things. But she gave me her real name, her CPF, and other banking data (is this safe for her?) and I was able to make the deposit, in.
Person, in cash, by visiting a casa loterica. She was very expensive and I really had a good time. But 1,000 reais for two hours is not necessary to have good time. Still, I am smitten.
With her and saw her more later in the trip. I am a little reluctant to put her name here because I am smitten with her.
- another twitter girl (Mel More) 600 reais for two hours. She is quite cooperative and flexible and almost ravished me. She initiates everything you can think of I also saw here again later.
On. Within 4 o minutes of making contact via WhatsApp, I was in her apartment in Bela Vista.
I have never been to Scandallo which dominates the conversations here. I may not ever go. In the past I have spent time in some trash boates in Sao Paulo and had a great time. My Portuguese is terrible BUT I speak more Portuguese than 90 percent of the other American in the country. Why? Because I lived in Brazil for a total of five years. Maybe later, I will post about the week in Rio (I picked one girl from Mab's (400 are for one hour. Too much really, one girl in 4 X 4, and two at Onix terapias in Centro. (This was GREAT value; I loved the girls, paid 200 reais for one hour each time) but I really do not like choosing from a line-up. I like the interaction of 4 X 4 or a boate.
More information later about the 4 girls in Rio mentioned above plus the last week in SP.
Forgive all the grammatical and punctuation errors in the post. My first here. Below. I was writing it on a very small device but still feel embarrassed by how it came out. Next time it will be more careful now that see how texts get reproduced.
Here's a little about my the second week of my recent rip. This was in Rio de Janeiro. Some of the second week was compromised by a VERY bad cold I got, probably from the high-end twitter girl who I did not name. (While I was with her those two times of the first week she she had use a decongestant at least I can remember. A month later, I still have little bit of a cough.
So, I traveled to Rio by bus from Sao Paulo. Why? I want to save my money for other things. It worked out well because I book one of these buses where you can lie down completely. I really liked it, even for a a 6-hour tip. I will do it again. To save money. I was met at the Rio bus station station by a female friend of mine. She is NOT a working girl and we did several things together in Rio. It is not a romantice relationship.
I went to 4 X 4 for my first session. The lady at the desk, who speaks excellent English, always remembers me. It was in the afternoon. Which I actually prefer. Less selection but I generally find someone I like. I went with a blonde with fake boobs. I actually like fake boobs; they scream "working girl". And a curvy butt which was well muscled. (Not that that turns me on). She was fine in the room. At 56, two things now bother me physically. I can always get it up (NO need for Viagra, Cialis, etc) but I tire more easily and have trouble coming with a condom. But I still enjoy myself.
A few nights later, I picked up a statuesque mulata named Suelen at Mab's. I actually spent a lot of time at Mab's every evening talking with some guys I met but I had little inclination to pick someone up. In that short tight dress she looked spectacular. In my apartment she was fine but I was disappointed by the tattoo on her lower back. This turns me off big time. I should have asked, right, if it's so important? 400 R As I said in my previous post, I always ask the girl what are her restrictions, what does she do, what does she not do. These are open-ended questions. Then I ask about sexo oral sem preservativo. I actually prefer the word preservativo to camisinha. It seems more formal but I enjoy the politeness of the word.
Between my cold and doing touristy things, alone and with my Brazilian friend, I only did two other girls. Both at Onix Terapias on Rio Branco in Centro. Their photos are on the Onix website. Everyone of those girls pictured are really there! One was Isis. A very pretty mulata with long black hair, fine features, beautiful smile and dark, dark skin. She was great. The only negative was that she seemed to have lost her marquinhas. I almost have a fetish for these marquinhas minisculas. Again, a VERY pretty girl. 200 reais each time a Onix. I consider this great value. The only negative is that I can not get to know the girl beforehand which is always better. Also, I do not like knowing the girl basically has to go with the guy who picks her. My feelings about this are mixed but I know that I am clean, polite, and thoughtful in the room. But is every huy?
The other girl at Nix was Karen. Wholly moley! Very young, wonderfully big and round butt (with the greatest tanlines on it). The anticipation of the doggy position was almost too much. She was a little timid in the room but I still reatly enjoyed. Out in the foyer, I complimented her body and tanlines to the tia at the front desk.
Oh yeah, you're moving like a pro in Brazil. Like Tom Jobim, the great song writer once said: Brazil is not a country for beginners.
Your story took me to the place. Congrats.
LOL.
[QUOTE=Brasilophile;2719957]Good afternoon, galera! After much time reading this board I have finally decided to post and share, gradually, some of my experiences over the last 17 (years. I am 56 year-old person and I visited Brazil for the first time at the age of 4. I just spent the the entire month (4 weeks) of June in SP (two weeks), Rio (one weeks) and one week in a small town in the interior of SP. (This week had nothing to do with working girls, only friendships because I lived in this small Brazilian town for five years).
I have many experiences to share from last month's visit and hope. If I do not lose interest. To share some of the past experiences.
Where did I indulge myself this past month?
1st week Sao Paulo - (1) once at Casarao (my first night in the country despite being tired. I could not resist). 400 reais for one hour with a rocking, short Baiana. Their performances are usually reliably.
Enthusiastic. I was certain to ask her what her restrictions were. What she did and didn't do and if she did sexo oral sem preservativo..[/QUOTE]
Of course having great sex is the main course, but sometimes I enjoy going out from the menu.
I purchased many girl's underwear, right there in the Sao Paulo and other Brazilian night clubs. All of them, Cafe Photo, Bomboa, Scandallo, Sky Bar, Real Priv, Casanova, Class Club, etc etc.
I used to drink much more during hunting nights, and sorry, I lose control and I start making proposals to the girls. "Hey, can I buy your underwear?" . Most of them look at me and say "you're just crazy" (Voc um safadooo) and I go on with the proposal. What about BRL 50? Some accept, some don't, so my bet doubles. What about are BRL 100 ? Most accept. Yesssss. Then the girl goes to the bathroom and brings her underwear and gives it to my hand under the table. Most love it and they want to be taken upstairs, so the game goes on.
BRL50 more and you let me touch you. Oh yeah, I touched lots of clits right there in the clubs under the praying eyes of other girls and mongers. Some girls asked me to wash hands before doing it, so bathroom, soap (tip to the candy guy in the bathroom) then I go back to them. Wet cold fingers under those skirts and they react like "ahhhh that's cold! KKKKKKKK (LOL) too late honey, four fingers in your pussy. Of course I took many of them upstairs to complete the masturbation in the room.
I don't care if my dick is short or long. My mind is twisted. Girls love it and I love their great asses.
Here a few of those lovely underwear from my shopping time.
Note: I also have tiny bikinis, black stockings, bras, etc etc LOL. There is nothing wrong with it, it's a free world, right?
Clinica Kahunas.
Rua Bartolomeu de Gusmao 147.
Metro stop: Vila Mariana 6 minute walk.
Rang the bell and was greeted by a sweet short old lady who promptly brings me to the waiting room.
They have about 5 garotas according to the video on a loop. Each garota has a themed costume.
She had to make a phone call to the garotas as I did not get a presentation other than one garota on her way to the waiting client.
I picked and repeated with one thin and tatted short haired garota. Lite skin.
She gave an awesome massage with hot oil and massage beads included with BBBJ.
Although she upcharge me 100 reales for CFS. It was the massage that got me back the second time.
She gave me her business card (Estetica-Beleza-Massoterapia) with her real name E. Are. , Monday-Saturday com hora marcada 'them domicilio e empresas I forgot her artistic name but I highly recommend her masssage and HJ or BBBJ.
On the Next visit they gave me a shot of cachaca on the house after having to wait for the master bedroom and my garota (which name I forgot).
As I waited the another receptionist gave me a quick 10 min massage on the professional chair in the waiting room.
Clnica Kin Center. Tv. Libera Rivelino, 210, Brooklin Novo.
Metro stop: Brooklin a 10 minute walk.
I visited twice and finally saw a loira with a killer bundao and tits to match.
She was on the last presentation and I never let her hand go.
In fact a customer came in after I paid and specifically ask for her.
Let me tell you it pays to visit twice because you never know what your missing.
She has a very interesting two hand tantric dick massage. Super deepthroat and delicious lips.
Her name is "DriAhhhh" short for Adriana.
Finally A bucket list. Checked-off.
40 gg-24-38 loira from Paraguay. Gabby or Gabriela.
After a month in Brazil I could not speak proper Spanglish to communicate.
Such a beauty that made me miss my flight to the States.
Can't think of a better place to get trap!
Clinica Prime. Av. Irai, 511, Moema.
Or it could be Miruna I can't remember, in fact did I mention she made me miss my flight!
She also saved me money from flying to Paraguay!
[QUOTE=HiddenEye;2720096]Of course having great sex is the main course, but sometimes I enjoy going out from the menu.
I purchased many girl's underwear, right there in the Sao Paulo and other Brazilian night clubs. All of them, Cafe Photo, Bomboa, Scandallo, Sky Bar, Real Priv, Casanova, Class Club, etc etc.
I used to drink much more during hunting nights, and sorry, I lose control and I start making proposals to the girls. "Hey, can I buy your underwear?" . Most of them look at me and say "you're just crazy" (Voc um safadooo) and I go on with the proposal. What about BRL 50? Some accept, some don't, so my bet doubles. What about are BRL 100 ? Most accept. Yesssss. Then the girl goes to the bathroom and brings her underwear and gives it to my hand under the table. Most love it and they want to be taken upstairs, so the game goes on.
BRL50 more and you let me touch you. Oh yeah, I touched lots of clits right there in the clubs under the praying eyes of other girls and mongers. Some girls asked me to wash hands before doing it, so bathroom, soap (tip to the candy guy in the bathroom) then I go back to them. Wet cold fingers under those skirts and they react like "ahhhh that's cold! KKKKKKKK (LOL) too late honey, four fingers in your pussy. Of course I took many of them upstairs to complete the masturbation in the room.[/QUOTE]LOL this is too funny! It reminds me of an experience I had in Porto Alegre hahaha! Starts about three quarters of the way down in this post:
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[QUOTE=Brasilophile;2719957]Person, in cash, by visiting a casa loterica. She was very expensive and I really had a good time. But 1,000 reais for two hours is not necessary to have good time. Still, I am smitten.
With her and saw her more later in the trip. I am a little reluctant to put her name here because I am smitten with her.[/QUOTE]Nothing personal, but even if you got back down there for Christmas she will have hooked-up with 100 plus guys. These girls need to make money. It might as well be one of the guys here.
Hahahahaha that's great writing Mr. Cane. I enjoyed all the story and I my imagination took me to that club where you went shopping. Girls do their best to make few bucks during slow nights.
Pushy girls in Brazil tend to have this hot sense of humor, trying to get what they want. Fortunately most clubs in Brazil tell the girls to avoid over doing it, and high end clubs they are forbiden to.
Lovely pic of the gaucha. Gaucha, the white garota from the south, they sometimes call them "branquelas" for whities. Yes, population in the south tends to be less afro. I must go there again, starting from the very bottom of Brazil in Porto Alegre.
I made a very detailed scouting one year before the 2014 World Cup. Yes, all the cities where there was going to be soccer matches. Mongering information was 50% of the goal from that trip.
Fortunately I went to Brazil again a few times since then. The years I could not travel to Brazil, I brought my own girls for my personal pleasure to my city. It costs $$$ but my time is more expensive when work does not let me travel.
Is this the area of the forum to post pics? Or I can only do it in the photo gallery area? I'm kind of new in this version of the forum. I used to have a user back in 2005, or even sooner I believe.
Note: all pics from one single model from Southern Brazil. Again, talent release on file, so no worries. Feel free to ask me.
[QUOTE=TheCane;2720110]LOL this is too funny! It reminds me of an experience I had in Porto Alegre hahaha! Starts about three quarters of the way down in this post:
Wyatt Earp said:
Nothing personal, but even if you got back down there for Christmas she will have hooked-up with 100 plus guys. These girls need to make money. It might as well be one of the guys here.
You are exactly right. Probably 200 by Christmas based on what I know about her. After 6 sessions in June and the conversations with her. She's on vacation in Para at the moment and we exchange messages. But she's a real go-getter when it comes to drumming up business. I am one of her rare Americans but she is quite skilled at saying the right thing in the initial WhatsApp contacts that gets them to pay that high price (It's called manipulation, right /) plus her beauty, and she delivers.
I have been with about 100 GP's in Brazil over the years but I have never met anyone quite like her. Personality-wise. I may see her in September but I am thinking I need to stay away (from her).
By the way, Wyatt Earp, I have always enjoyed your posts.
[QUOTE=HiddenEye;2720427]Lovely pic of the gaucha. Gaucha, the white garota from the south, they sometimes call them "branquelas" for whities. Yes, population in the south tends to be less afro. I must go there again, starting from the very bottom of Brazil in Porto Alegre. Is this the area of the forum to post pics? Or I can only do it in the photo gallery area? I'm kind of new in this version of the forum[/QUOTE]This one I met at the old Cafe Photo. When we were in the room, she said what I understood as her declaring herself to be my "branquita" (or little white girl), and further that "her little white girl asshole was for me" LOLOLOL! You can post a picture pretty much wherever you'd like to.
[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2718114] Again, these Tiers are based on my subjective evaluations after having visited Scandallo at least 50 times in the post-covid era in October / November 2021 & April / May 2022. One thing is clear: I really like the joint. The only other bordello that rates as highly in my mind is a joint called Malioboro / Malio Club in Jakarta.
[/QUOTE]Malio Malboro and Alexius. Alexius ah the memories, upper level. Damn a guy could choose a deep lineup there. It was the UN and Dubai of chicas lineups. Russians, Vietnam, Thai, Ukraine, Chinese, Indonesian, Filipinas, Singapore without ever leaving the place.
On to São Paulo and first visit to Scandallo next week.
What do you think of these raffles some of these girls put on? Would you purchase a ticket?
My favorite girl is doing a raffle right now and through my cinteractions with her I have observed some funny and / or sad behaviour.
Background: My favorite girl charges an expensive R600 for one hour and R1000 for two hours. This scares off a lot of Brazilian men (of course) but she gets it and works steadily. This is the background.
So, she sets up a raffle to see 100 tickets. She's a whiz at this computer / internet stuff and the guys clik into a site and do most of the choosing numbers and paying on their own. There will be two winners. Each will receive a 2-hour "encontro" with her. (By the way, she detests the word "programa", along with the words "cliente. " As innocent as I am, I though: Okay, if she sells each ticket for R20 she will earn her usual fee, stands a good chance of selling all 100 spots, and it builds some excitement among her "clientes.). It can be done.
Let's not forget the current financial state in Brazil. All of my Brazilian friends are hurting big-time because of the rising cost of everything. But a few rich ones I know complain but still have not changed their habits. They have a financial cushion, right?
I was floored, floored! When I learned she was selling the tickets at $100 each. Whoa! My initial reactions: What a greedy "cadela" (and I like her). If she sells all 100 tickets that is $R10,000. R10,000!! For two sessions she would get normally get R2000. Can she do it? She has given herself about 2 weeks for the raffle to run because she would like to pull the winners on July 19, her birthday.
Are there 50 rich guys out there who would gladly throw away R100? Maybe another 50 ordinary guys who are so desperate / horny that they will waste R100. Unlike most raffles which are held to benefit a worthy cause, the money is going straight into my favorite girl's pocket. I have read Brazilian men on monger boards complain of girls who seem to think their buceta is made of gold because of the prices many are asking.
Okay: She has been selling for a little over a week. Her birthday is Wednesday. Out of 100 tickets, she has sold 24 tickets of the 100. So, she HAS already exceeded the usual $2000 she would earn for two 2-hour sessions. Will she sell 76 more tickets by Wednesday at R100 a pop? Does it matter to her since she is now in profit? Will she extend to try to sell more tickets? Could this backfire on her and her WhatsApp be filled with complanits?
A note: you can buy as many tickets as you want. If you wanted to buy all 100 you could. One individual guy has bought 12 of those 24 tickets. What the hell? Is this guy a fool? That's $1200 he has spent. He could have WhatsApped her and scheduled his own 2-hour session for less. What if he doesn't win the raffle? Will he be pissed off? But I would not my favorite girl or any other GP to draw blind on the day of the raffle. Who is watching them? They probably know at least half the entrants already and just choose the one they want to go with? In other words, the fix is in from the beginnng.
Could this backfire on her and her WhatsApp be filled with complaints? I think she may extend the deadline of the drawing to sell more tickets even she never sells all 100. She will look generous to the guys for extending the deadline but it also seems to be naked avarice.
Stay tuned for the results.
I personally would never gamble.
[QUOTE=Brasilophile;2720666]What do you think of these raffles some of these girls put on? Would you purchase a ticket?
My favorite girl is doing a raffle right now and through my cinteractions with her I have observed some funny and / or sad behaviour.
Background: My favorite girl charges an expensive R600 for one hour and R1000 for two hours. This scares off a lot of Brazilian men (of course) but she gets it and works steadily. This is the background.
So, she sets up a raffle to see 100 tickets. She's a whiz at this computer / internet stuff and the guys clik into a site and do most of the choosing numbers and paying on their own. There will be two winners. Each will receive a 2-hour "encontro" with her. (By the way, she detests the word "programa", along with the words "cliente. " As innocent as I am, I though: Okay, if she sells each ticket for R20 she will earn her usual fee, stands a good chance of selling all 100 spots, and it builds some excitement among her "clientes.). It can be done.
Let's not forget the current financial state in Brazil. All of my Brazilian friends are hurting big-time because of the rising cost of everything. But a few rich ones I know complain but still have not changed their habits. They have a financial cushion, right?
I was floored, floored! When I learned she was selling the tickets at $100 each. Whoa! My initial reactions: What a greedy "cadela" (and I like her). If she sells all 100 tickets that is $R10,000. R10,000!! For two sessions she would get normally get R2000. Can she do it? She has given herself about 2 weeks for the raffle to run because she would like to pull the winners on July 19, her birthday.
Are there 50 rich guys out there who would gladly throw away R100? Maybe another 50 ordinary guys who are so desperate / horny that they will waste R100. Unlike most raffles which are held to benefit a worthy cause, the money is going straight into my favorite girl's pocket. I have read Brazilian men on monger boards complain of girls who seem to think their buceta is made of gold because of the prices many are asking.
Okay: She has been selling for a little over a week. Her birthday is Wednesday. Out of 100 tickets, she has sold 24 tickets of the 100. So, she HAS already exceeded the usual $2000 she would earn for two 2-hour sessions. Will she sell 76 more tickets by Wednesday at R100 a pop? Does it matter to her since she is now in profit? Will she extend to try to sell more tickets? Could this backfire on her and her WhatsApp be filled with complanits?
A note: you can buy as many tickets as you want. If you wanted to buy all 100 you could. One individual guy has bought 12 of those 24 tickets. What the hell? Is this guy a fool? That's $1200 he has spent. He could have WhatsApped her and scheduled his own 2-hour session for less. What if he doesn't win the raffle? Will he be pissed off? But I would not my favorite girl or any other GP to draw blind on the day of the raffle. Who is watching them? They probably know at least half the entrants already and just choose the one they want to go with? In other words, the fix is in from the beginnng.
Could this backfire on her and her WhatsApp be filled with complaints? I think she may extend the deadline of the drawing to sell more tickets even she never sells all 100. She will look generous to the guys for extending the deadline but it also seems to be naked avarice.
Stay tuned for the results.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Tochka;2720638]Malio Malboro and Alexius. Alexius ah the memories, upper level. Damn a guy could choose a deep lineup there. It was the UN and Dubai of chicas lineups. Russians, Vietnam, Thai, Ukraine, Chinese, Indonesian, Filipinas, Singapore without ever leaving the place.
On to So Paulo and first visit to Scandallo next week.[/QUOTE]Hey Tochka,
Yeah, Hotel Alexus was my other favorite high end Jakarta bordello along with Malioboro / Malio Club. I loved Hotel Alexus for the quantity and quality of their pretty, young, Indonesian girls, but I also occasionally went for the somewhat older (mid 20's) attractive Viet girls they had on hand as well.
Unfortunately Hotel Alexus was shut down by the local authorities in 2018 for having a few underage Indonesian girls on the menu. Too bad. But the same group quickly opened up another high end place called The Pool at 1001 Hotel to take Hotel Alexus's place. 1001 was larger and a little more glitzy, but basically it was the same concept. And in the same building but with a different entrance they had the Colosseum Club which was a great late nightclub pickup place.
I have not heard if Pool 1001 or the Colosseum Club are open for business. It would be a tremendous loss to Jakarta nightlife if they were closed permanently. I know that Emporium, the group's mid level bordello, did close down for good thanks to Covid which was a real loss. I loved Emporium. In relation to Hotel Alexus or Pool 1001, Emporium was sort of like the relationship between Scandallo & Connection.
In a lot of ways Jakarta and SP nightlife are similar in that both cities have sexy, very attractive girls and the scene is kept under wraps behind closed doors unlike BKK, Pattaya, MNL & AC where everything is out there in the open for all to see. You are going to like SP. The girls are great lovers. Have a good time and let us know how you made out.
A. H.
[QUOTE=TheCane;2719585]Don't waste time and money on bait and switch online scams. You sound like the type of guy who would like Scandallo:
[URL]https://youtu.be/F9wWoM0zaE4[/URL]
[URL]https://youtu.be/YEV51mFxVxo[/URL]
The only caveat is that the line-up may not be as good as pre-pandemic. But, based on the reports I have read, this is not exclusive to Scandallo. Lineups suffered all over the world, and have not fully recovered yet in most top destinations.[/QUOTE]You guys are awesome! Just arrived scandello it is.
[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2719588]How many times do we experienced SP BM's have to say this?
Scandallo is a world class bordello. Period. It is a must see / must do kind of place when in SP. If you want to fool around with escorts, have at it. It is your time, your money, and your preference. There are some very attractive escorts, but I for one would rather go out at night and see what SP has to offer than stay cooped up in my hotel room.
The problem you mentioned with escorts, the picture issue, which on the better escort sites is not a question of fake pictures, but occasionally that of photoshopped glam pics and / or out of date pics that do not give a totally accurate view of how the girl looks today in person in real life although she would still be recognizable from her photos so it is not bait & switch.
Thus this is not as big a problem as the issue which arises from not having met the girl before making a date and therefor having no idea what the girl's personality is like or whether you even like her when she knocks on your door. I spent a lot of time with escorts from MClass in SP and Barra Vip's in RJ during the April 2021 lockdown because essentially I had no choice since all the boates and termas were closed by government decree. Yes, I met some great girls online and I am still in touch with 2 of them, but I also had a few sessions with girls that I would not have chosen if I had met them in a club. This critical issue does not arise with boate and terma girls because of the obvious fact that you can flirt with any of the girls you are physically attracted to without any pressure before deciding to ask them upstairs or to go to your hotel. This is the optimal way to do things unless there is some other factor like a lack of infrastructure ie brick and mortar bars and clubs to find sexy accommodating girls which is definitely not the case in SP or RJ.[/QUOTE]Appreciate you weighing in. This is the same problem in the states so not surprised SP is no different. I'll take the input you guys have to heart and report back!
Anyone know if GRU airport has Bradesco ATM available?
Will be arriving late at night and so wasn't sure if local ATM will be available then.
If anyone wants to meet up, let me know.
Comrades of the sport.
Important to say that, because of pandemics, the best talent had to create ways of income, then sites like: On. F*ns, cafecito, matecito and long list became trend. Talent is making great income, monthly selling content on them. I saw girls making US $5000 and more per month. Now they don't need to do modeling neither go escorts. If you're familiar with them, some models charge from US $50 for 3-4 minutes video showing their tits or doing custom requests. This is insane.
I was in close conversation with an incredible stripper to bring her to my city. She suddenly is making much more money selling online content. She turned down my proposal now I have to look for replacement.
This is one reason talent is lowering in most night clubs all over the world and Sao Paulo is not an exception. 9's and 10's are very very scarse natural resource these days.
From my point of view, these sites are changing the scene more than feminists and government regulations.
[QUOTE=PussyRiot;2721068]Anyone know if GRU airport has Bradesco ATM available?...[/QUOTE]It's on the second floor by the SUBWAY fast food restaurant. You should be able to find it by looking up while on the first floor.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2721083]It's on the second floor by the SUBWAY fast food restaurant. You should be able to find it by looking up while on the first floor.[/QUOTE]Terminal 2?
[QUOTE=Nordico;2721095]Terminal 2?[/QUOTE]I think it is at T2. There was an old report describing it as on the 3rd floor near Starbucks but I didn't find it. I found it by looking up the mezzanine level (not exactly the second level) by walking on the first floor.
[QUOTE=PussyRiot;2721068]Anyone know if GRU airport has Bradesco ATM available?
Will be arriving late at night and so wasn't sure if local ATM will be available then.
If anyone wants to meet up, let me know.[/QUOTE]Got my card cloned there many years ago, never went back.
[QUOTE=GQ777;2719536]I'm traveling to SP from US for work and I've been going through this forum and I'm undecided. I had been browsing Saopaoloescortguide and they sent me a couple options. I'm pretty selective and can't stand when girls don't look like their pictures so I'm looking for the best way to get a top tier companion. I figured online was the best way to go but someone suggested cafe photo or Scandello and I'm now considering this. Last time I went to brothel was in Barcelona and it was a very pushy experience and I did not like it. I prefer an upscale and clean environment where I can take my time and identify one who speaks to me who fits my mood for appearance that day. Happy to take any input for a Brazil newbie so I can make the most of my time when I'm not working.[/QUOTE]Better off with the clubs, Scandallo or Bomboa are my recommendations for the premium feel.
Online blind dates from the 'premium' escort websites are too much of a hassle and waste of time in SP. On my recent trip I was quoted $500 - 1500/ h plus taxi fare, and virtually all wanted a deposit. Surprisingly they will readily share unsolicited personal details, including bank account number to facilitate the transfer. Some even wanted photo or video, ID verification, and that kind of crap.
Totally unnecessary in a city where you're spoiled for choices.
If you need to use an ATM at GRU, use the ATMs located in the baggage area before customs (terminal 3). Not familiar with terminal 2 arrivals. Do not use the ATMs outside security. Almost a guarantee your card will be skimmed.
[QUOTE=CatBert55;2721341]If you need to use an ATM at GRU, use the ATMs located in the baggage area before customs (terminal 3). Not familiar with terminal 2 arrivals. Do not use the ATMs outside security. Almost a guarantee your card will be skimmed.[/QUOTE]I arrived SP 0330 am flight. One observation during the early morning hours. I saw the ATMs at GRU baggage claim, the ones upstairs on mezzanine level and outside security. One observation during the early morning sleepy hours. I changed cash at the cambio inside of baggage claim. I was the third customer in a very long ass line of people from the flight. It seemed many passengers on the flight preferred not to use the ATMs at the GRU airport. Only reporting my small observations as newbie to SP.
Off to Prime and Maurina, Abbobora.
Because the rate is very bad. Goto bradesco and withdraw.
[QUOTE=Tochka;2721345]I arrived SP 0330 am flight. One observation during the early morning hours. I saw the ATMs at GRU baggage claim, the ones upstairs on mezzanine level and outside security. One observation during the early morning sleepy hours. I changed cash at the cambio inside of baggage claim. I was the third customer in a very long ass line of people from the flight. It seemed many passengers on the flight preferred not to use the ATMs at the GRU airport. Only reporting my small observations as newbie to SP.
Off to Prime and Maurina, Abbobora.[/QUOTE]
Honest report from SP. I've been debating whether to post this because some posters here have strong opinions, please don't throw rocks at me.
Prime: was too busy when I got there and was ignored by the receptionist and all the girls were busy flirting with their regulars during presentations. Only 1 girl gave me the seductive look, but seeing that the wait for the room would be long and I hated the feeling of being singled out. I left.
Lotus Longue: this place always had very limited selection even though the woman on Whatsapp guaranteed there was more at the time I arrived. Picked Verona and that was a mistake. She gave rushed service, stalled in the tub, light kisses, and tried to upcharge me.
Scandello: was what salvaged my trip. It wasn't filled with talents like I had imagined. It was actually time consuming to find someone to my liking and some days I almost left empty handed. Did see a few 8+ there but they were either occupied by the locals or taken out pretty early. Getting 7's was the best I could do. I'd say 60% of them were 6's, 20% <5, 10% were 7, the rest were either 8+ or fugly. All of them quoted 1000, but immediately accepted 600 for the 6's and 700 for the 7's for 1 hour, that means they could have accepted lower by 100 maybe. This pricing was about 3 months ago. Sessions were mostly good with some IOP, but there were a couple of them with no IOP at all and barely met the definition of GFE.
Overall, my initial expectation was too high, but after adjusting to reality I still had a good time. I should have explored more clinicas.
[QUOTE=NiceFirst;2721735]Prime: was too busy when I got there and was ignored by the receptionist and all the girls were busy flirting with their regulars during presentations. Only 1 girl gave me the seductive look, but seeing that the wait for the room would be long and I hated the feeling of being singled out. I left.[/QUOTE]Some free advice, as I have returned to Clinicas I get more and more comfortable hanging out and waiting, especially at Tangara. It took a second to get used it (my instinct was previously to come and go as fast as possible) but then I embraced the culture where it's not a big deal to hang out. Taking time at Clinicas and not rushing the choice can result in a great result. Sometimes there are interesting friendly conversations to be had with the others waiting. When all else fails there's often free Wi-Fi. But overall once I grew to enjoy the slow selection it really raised my outcomes.
What day of the week did you go to Scandallo? It makes lot of difference.
Also, time of the year. Want to hear something? Christmas.
Lots of girls leave SP to their home towns and they want to take money for Christmas and reveillon. I've seen solid 9's and 10's those days.
Here an article that may be useful:
[URL]https://lfsluts.com/best-days-to-pick-incredible-escorts/[/URL]
[QUOTE=NiceFirst;2721735]Honest report from SP. I've been debating whether to post this because some posters here have strong opinions, please don't throw rocks at me.
Prime: was too busy when I got there and was ignored by the receptionist and all the girls were busy flirting with their regulars during presentations. Only 1 girl gave me the seductive look, but seeing that the wait for the room would be long and I hated the feeling of being singled out. I left.
Lotus Longue: this place always had very limited selection even though the woman on Whatsapp guaranteed there was more at the time I arrived. Picked Verona and that was a mistake. She gave rushed service, stalled in the tub, light kisses, and tried to upcharge me.
Scandello: was what salvaged my trip. It wasn't filled with talents like I had imagined. It was actually time consuming to find someone to my liking and some days I almost left empty handed. Did see a few 8+ there but they were either occupied by the locals or taken out pretty early. Getting 7's was the best I could do. I'd say 60% of them were 6's, 20% <5, 10% were 7, the rest were either 8+ or fugly. All of them quoted 1000, but immediately accepted 600 for the 6's and 700 for the 7's for 1 hour, that means they could have accepted lower by 100 maybe. This pricing was about 3 months ago. Sessions were mostly good with some IOP, but there were a couple of them with no IOP at all and barely met the definition of GFE.
Overall, my initial expectation was too high, but after adjusting to reality I still had a good time. I should have explored more clinicas.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=NiceFirst;2721735]Honest report from SP. I've been debating whether to post this because some posters here have strong opinions, please don't throw rocks at me.
Prime: was too busy when I got there and was ignored by the receptionist and all the girls were busy flirting with their regulars during presentations. Only 1 girl gave me the seductive look, but seeing that the wait for the room would be long and I hated the feeling of being singled out. I left.
Lotus Longue: this place always had very limited selection even though the woman on Whatsapp guaranteed there was more at the time I arrived. Picked Verona and that was a mistake. She gave rushed service, stalled in the tub, light kisses, and tried to upcharge me.
Scandello: was what salvaged my trip. It wasn't filled with talents like I had imagined. It was actually time consuming to find someone to my liking and some days I almost left empty handed. Did see a few 8+ there but they were either occupied by the locals or taken out pretty early. Getting 7's was the best I could do. I'd say 60% of them were 6's, 20% <5, 10% were 7, the rest were either 8+ or fugly. All of them quoted 1000, but immediately accepted 600 for the 6's and 700 for the 7's for 1 hour, that means they could have accepted lower by 100 maybe. This pricing was about 3 months ago. Sessions were mostly good with some IOP, but there were a couple of them with no IOP at all and barely met the definition of GFE.
Overall, my initial expectation was too high, but after adjusting to reality I still had a good time. I should have explored more clinicas.[/QUOTE]No rocks but just in reality it is very difficult to build chemistry leading to a good session if you don't speak the language. Google translate is a translation for them to make money and leave. Clinicas may be better because there no chatting just straight to fucking so the language is not as a big of a deal. Glad you didn't pay gringo prices at Scandallo at least.
Like I said before if you want a GFE then you need to treat them like a GF also. This involves time and investment like any GF. Spend like a week with her and see. Try to learn the language and she will gladly help you.
A girl I met 10 years still wants to meet up with me now that she has a normal life.
A girl I met 3 months ago wants me to take her somewhere special for birthday and said I don't need to help her she has money.
A girl I met last month is going with me on a trip next month and there's never any discussion about price.
Getting a GFE bareback on the first day not going to happen, spend a week your odds greatly improves!
Hi,
So with my first Sao Paulo experience in the books, I really have to say it lives up to the hype. I had exactly one had session in my time there, and everything else was somewhere between decent and spectacular. Even as I write this my balls are begging me to go back. My routine was as follows:
Tengara: This place was the best priced, and the quality of the girls didn't suffer for it. On the contrary, two of the best looking girls I sessioned with were found here. Technically I should say three, but the third, Lily who appearance wise was gorgeous and exactly my type, was my single bad experience. With Lily I could tell she was struggling a bit so I tried to go slower / easier, but after 20 minutes of sex she literally said no more and wanted to give me a hand job. For the remaining 40 minutes. I tried to compromise and told her to do a blowjob, which quickly turned into a lazy hand job. After 10 minutes of that I just told her to stop, paid for the hour, and left. Eliza was my all star here, but everyone (well almost) was a good experience.
Prime: This place had some really good looking girls, some of whom I got to spend time with, and some I just saw passing through the reception area. More than once I decided to wait for a girl I saw, only to have someone else catch my interest after sitting for 10-20 minutes. Not one bad session here, and while its more expensive than Tengara, its still cheap by any Western standard. Paloma was probably the best PSE style session on my entire trip, and Angelica was the most passionate. A note about the staff, the blonde lady is awesome and has a great attitude, but the one with the dark hair I wasn't a fan of. I'm pretty sure she kept my change both times she was at the desk, and while it was only 10 R it was annoying. Normally I'd say something, but since I don't speak Portuguese I didn't think it was worth getting into in the event that I was wrong.
Miruna: This one was my least visited clinica, but no complaints. About the same price as Prime, and the same if we count that dark haired woman stealing my 10 R haha. Girls here were slightly less appealing in terms of looks, but certainly not bad, and the service was solid. If you don't find anyone you like at Prime, or you're out earlier in the day, I definitively suggest making your way here.
57 Friends: This one is a bar rather than a clinica, and one of the places I'd go at night. Drinks are expensive by local standards, but not unreasonable, and it had no entry fee. Girls are basically clinica prices, which is nice. My second best session happened here, and I saw several amazing looking women my first day who I wanted to session with. I went back many times, but never saw any of those women again, and the ones I did see were nothing special. My impression is quality is inconsistent, but you have the potential to see some all stars if you catch the right night. I wish I had found one of two more places like this for the rotation. Additionally the staff here are very friendly, which made my unsuccessful visits pleasant.
Bahamas: Another bar, but this one is much more expensive. The entry was 150 R, with some portion of that being consumable. My one warning here is that at some point entry jumps to 300 R, and that felt really unreasonable for the number of girls. I tried this place three times, and while I definitely saw a few knockouts, I never ended up doing anything. The one I almost went upstairs with wanted 800 R, but I was looking for anal at the time, and she wasn't open to it. Paying 800 R isn't terrible, but when you're used to the clinicas its not a very appealing proposition. Additionally I do not like the setup here, as all of the unoccupied girls tend to be clustered in one area. It made it very difficult to browse around without attracting unwanted attention. This is the kind of place where I'll say I won't go back, but my inner optimist will definitely drag me to at least one time on a future trip. Earlier in the day so that I don't get slammed for 300 R.
Cafe Photo: Yet another bar, and the one place I absolutely won't return to. I've heard there are two, so for clarity sake I'm referring to the 1515 address. The first strike was them requiring a fingerprint scan to get in, in addition to ID. I wasn't comfortable with it, but I had just wasted 300 R at Bahamas and was frankly desperate for a win. The second strike was the entry, 350 R some portion of which was consumable. The guy at reception told me they had 40 girls working, but unless they were hiding somewhere I'd say it was closer to 20, and neither the volume nor the quality justified the entry fee. Hard pass in the future.
Scandallo: I walked into this place thinking I was just going to sightsee, having already enjoyed many amazing and much better priced clinica experiences. I was wrong. This place is an experience, and an experience I was glad to repeatedly overpay for. In terms of pricing I'd say 800 R is what you should expect to pay, but a few girls that I had a good connection with offered me repeat sessions for less. I also overpaid twice, 1000 R one time and 1500 R another, but both were redheads and both were for anal. In general I got quoted 1000 R a good bit, though only agreed to it those two times. That said I didn't really bother to haggle, if a girl gave me a price I didn't like I just moved on. On future trips I'll definitely make my way back here, though I don't imagine I'll go as often. As great as the experience can be, even a cheap night at Scandallo can run you the same price as 6 or more clinica visits.
So that's it in terms of girls, but I'll close with a few observations that might be useful to newer travelers like myself. Prices for hotels were a lot more than I expected from previous scouting, and I ended up with an Airbnb. It was affordable, but still not cheap. That said I wouldn't waste too much money on lodging, as you really shouldn't be spending much time in it. The only reason I'd consider paying for a high end place is if I had a regular girl I picked up at one of the clubs I wanted to bring back with me, but that's not something you'll know in advance so I'd say don't bother. As far as money goes, definitely don't bring cash and just take it out from the ATMs. Santander Bank is my recommendation as their ATMs have an option to select English, and ATMs in Brazil seem to be quite unreliable so if you get an error message its nice to be able to understand it. Gas station ATMs can also be a good choice, but make sure you don't let them do the currency conversion. My bank converts funds at the market rate, while the ATM tried to use a worse rate and apply a 15% conversion fee. Luckily at most you can decline the fee and it will let your bank process the transaction, though some won't allow you to do this. Lastly some places like Scandallo will let you pay for the girl on a credit card, but keep in mind they will hit you for a 10% fee, so I would say avoid it if possible. That said if you session with a girl or two and a third catches your eye later in the night, its nice to have the option. That's it folks, and thanks to everyone for the information that got me this far.
Sidebar: Unrelated to this forum, but does anyone know the situation in Buenos Aires? The ISG forum points to a separate forum which is a literal ghost town. It's hard for me to imagine that a South American country in a financial crisis doesn't have some good talent available, but for the life of me I don't know where to look.
[QUOTE=NiceFirst;2721735]Honest report from SP. I've been debating whether to post this because some posters here have strong opinions, please don't throw rocks at me.
Scandello: was what salvaged my trip. It wasn't filled with talents like I had imagined. It was actually time consuming to find someone to my liking and some days I almost left empty handed. Did see a few 8+ there but they were either occupied by the locals or taken out pretty early. Getting 7's was the best I could do. I'd say 60% of them were 6's, 20% <5, 10% were 7, the rest were either 8+ or fugly. All of them quoted 1000, but immediately accepted 600 for the 6's and 700 for the 7's for 1 hour, that means they could have accepted lower by 100 maybe. This pricing was about 3 months ago. Sessions were mostly good with some IOP, but there were a couple of them with no IOP at all and barely met the definition of GFE.
Overall, my initial expectation was too high, but after adjusting to reality I still had a good time. I should have explored more clinicas.[/QUOTE]Nice report!
Never feel the need to apologize of tune your experience narrative to match perceived forum 'expectations'. All opinions and experiences here are personal and highly subjective. For one, I have never found Scandallo to be compelling mongering venue in terms of price, performance, or quality of talent (I rarely see the 9's people keep yapping about. I think maybe the lighting plays tricks with people's judgment).
Thanks Zelezni for the reporting. So valuable to have the boots on the ground perspective. I think it reinforces what I've said about the legendary Scandallo — you don't go for the girls, you go for the experience. Pretty girls everywhere u might go in SP. But Tangara is a bit like Motel 6 and Scandallo the JW Marriot. Both are awesome depending on your needs and budget. And Id fuck a hottie at Motel 6 - no question. The towels just won't be as nice. LOL.
Regarding Baires (several girls called Buenos Aires that so I guess it's the lingo) the Seeking Arrangements scene has some top hotties if you are willing to do the work. And if you are like a lot of guys once you have dipped in the Seeking pond and had true (apparent) romance, it's hard to go back to straight P4 P. My Baires experience is found here. [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements&p=2679316&highlight=Seeking[/URL]+buenos#post2679316. I guess I have two posts on that page. One compares Medellin and SP to Baires. But go down a couple posts to Baires Sweet Success for a more detailed Baires specific post.
Another member I am in touch with also did Seeking in Baires with good results. Otherwise the club and local scene bites IMO.
[QUOTE=JZeleznik;2721909]does anyone know the situation in Buenos Aires? [/QUOTE]Thanks for your report, for sure the infor you provided will benefit so many of us, myself included. I am also curious about how it is in Buenos Aires because AR is one of the countries that I really want to visit but never had the chance. Info on Buenos Aires is very limited too. I've bet a few Argentine girls in Cancun and really enjoyed my time with them. If anyone has intel on BA, please share.
[QUOTE=NiceFirst;2721735]Honest report from SP. I've been debating whether to post this because some posters here have strong opinions, please don't throw rocks at me.
Prime: was too busy when I got there and was ignored by the receptionist and all the girls were busy flirting with their regulars during presentations. Only 1 girl gave me the seductive look, but seeing that the wait for the room would be long and I hated the feeling of being singled out. I left.
Lotus Longue: this place always had very limited selection even though the woman on Whatsapp guaranteed there was more at the time I arrived. Picked Verona and that was a mistake. She gave rushed service, stalled in the tub, light kisses, and tried to upcharge me.
Scandello: was what salvaged my trip. It wasn't filled with talents like I had imagined. It was actually time consuming to find someone to my liking and some days I almost left empty handed. Did see a few 8+ there but they were either occupied by the locals or taken out pretty early. Getting 7's was the best I could do. I'd say 60% of them were 6's, 20% <5, 10% were 7, the rest were either 8+ or fugly. All of them quoted 1000, but immediately accepted 600 for the 6's and 700 for the 7's for 1 hour, that means they could have accepted lower by 100 maybe. This pricing was about 3 months ago. Sessions were mostly good with some IOP, but there were a couple of them with no IOP at all and barely met the definition of GFE.
Overall, my initial expectation was too high, but after adjusting to reality I still had a good time. I should have explored more clinicas.[/QUOTE]Thanks for posting. It is always good to read a fresh perspective on familiar venues. As Hobbying pointed out, the time of arrival can influence initial perceptions.
Prime Clinica is a good case in point. I like to arrive kind of early, so I hopefully select a fresh girl and do not have to wait for a room. I do not like waiting.
I have never been to Lotus Lounge. It has gotten some good reviews on ISG and some of their girls on their website look pretty hot. But I don't like the idea of selecting a girl from her pics. I prefer to size them up in person. In any case I would not have chosen Verona. Her face is good, but I usually prefer thinner, Ha Ha, and natural ta ta's. Desirée is more to my liking (based on the pics). But your report was a good one. I will keep in mind although Lotus Lounge is still on my to do list. What the hell. KKK. I am willing to take shot if the girl is attractive enough and I have nothing better to do some afternoon.
I liked you Scandallo report, but again, the time and day of your arrival will affect your experiences. Prime time Thursday night there are possibly as many as 20 to 30 tier 1 girls on hand. Tier 1 being really sexy, model or near model quality girls ranging from 7 to 8. 5 stars on my rating scale. Then another 35 to 40 tier two girls. Tier two being sexy girl next door types ranging from 6 to 7 stars. All my tier two girls quoted me 800 to 1000 br and immediately settled for 700 or 800 br. My two tier 1 girls started the offer at 2000 and 2500 br respectively, but both agreed to 1000 and 1200 br without much negotiation on my part. So our experiences roughly correlate. Good reportage.
In retrospect I probably should have made my offer first and this way I might have gotten the two stunners for less, but I don't really care. They looked great and both were memorable in bed. The 1st one, Rafa, the 1000 br girl was my one of my favorites. I did her twice in-house and spent 3+ hours with her the first night and 4+ hours with her in Scandallo the night of the Wesley Safadao concert. Our 3rd get together was at my hotel. I gave her more for that night because she asked. KKK.
[QUOTE=JZeleznik;2721909]Hi,
So with my first Sao Paulo experience in the books, I really have to say it lives up to the hype. I had exactly one had session in my time there, and everything else was somewhere between decent and spectacular. Even as I write this my balls are begging me to go back. My routine was as follows:
Tengara: This place was the best priced, and the quality of the girls didn't suffer for it. On the contrary, two of the best looking girls I sessioned with were found here. Technically I should say three, but the third, Lily who appearance wise was gorgeous and exactly my type, was my single bad experience. With Lily I could tell she was struggling a bit so I tried to go slower / easier, but after 20 minutes of sex she literally said no more and wanted to give me a hand job. For the remaining 40 minutes. I tried to compromise and told her to do a blowjob, which quickly turned into a lazy hand job. After 10 minutes of that I just told her to stop, paid for the hour, and left. Eliza was my all star here, but everyone (well almost) was a good experience.
[/QUOTE]Argentina has incredible girls, but night clubs like the Brazilians lack of those true beauties. I experienced them in the high end Recoleta neighbor few years ago and all too professional. Pure plastic, cold blooded, prices of drinks and entrance was absurd high. That was my experience. Porteño (guys from Buenos Aires) tend to be very dishonest and shadow people than regular Brazilians. Brazilian people of the night life tend to be clear people. Of course there are criminals as well, but extra caution should be taken in Buenos Aires or Santa Fe to the north.
I sessioned this part time model / escort from Argentinian sites in the neighbor of Caballito. Great soft big young ass, small lovely tits. But sex was mechanic and she was checking time since I entered her apartment. The taxi waited me downstairs and seemed to be familiar with kind of ride I made. Few months later she moved to Santiago de Chile where I found it was "temporary" destination for many argies. Indeed I found argies in a Vitacura Club in Santiago.
Now everything has changed since pandemics, best picks now are online girls selling content in sites like cafecito and matecito where they sell content in Argentinian pesos losing ground day by day, payments by local "mercado pago" no paypal. The way to contact them is as follows. Find her on instagram where they have their link trees, then purchase a membership on cafecito which will open direct messaging to that particular model. The keywords during communication is "Haces encuentros?" (do you do personal meetings? Some don't, some do. And yes, there are true beauties.
There are a dozen of telegram groups for locals exchanging material and profiles of the girls, but there communication is spanish mostly and the flow of information tends to be very messy. I know the clubs where "easy material" argentinians go in Palermo Hollywood area, drop me a message if someone interested.
This should be posted on the Argentina area, but as everyone mention, ISG is dead zone there.
[QUOTE=DonMedellin;2722088]AR is one of the countries that I really want to visit but never had the chance. [/QUOTE]As someone who felt the exact same way, I wish I was back in Sao Paulo every single day. I'm glad I made the trip, but I could never see coming back again. I might give SA a shot though, and I hope for some positive experience to report on. Some of the old posts suggested Cocodrilo was a good spot, so I may try that as well. Women here are genuinely beautiful, but I haven't had much luck finding any working ones.
[QUOTE=HiddenEye;2722209]I know the clubs where "easy material" argentinians go in Palermo Hollywood area, drop me a message if someone interested.
This should be posted on the Argentina area, but as everyone mention, ISG is dead zone there.[/QUOTE]Hey Hidden,
I appreciate it, but I think I'm about ready to check out on BA. Seeking just randomly banned my account before I could even message any of the girls haha. Time to gorge myself on steak and write this one off as a loss.
I was in Argentina about 6 months before covid hit, and had 3 weeks in BA. The scene is very different to what it used to be. Many of the major venues to find freelancers have closed down. You can see how the activity in the Argentina section of this forum has fallen off a cliff too. Its not what it was 15 years ago, although there are still an endless supply of working girls.
Newport is gone. Hook is gone.
So that leaves:
Strip clubs. More expensive, expect $150-$200 a session. You often have to take them out and then add love motel cost on top. Girls tend to be of very high quality, but its not cheap by SA standards.
Escorts. Large escort scene, and best bet overall for price / quality if you have the time to invest.
Seeking Arrangement and Tinder. If you have a lot of time on the ground, arguably the best anywhere in the world.
Massage shops. They tend to come and go, but generally quality is pretty good and sessions are good too.
I stuck to stripclubs and escorts, and met 2 different girls from Seeking who were legit.
In general, there are a lot of Paraguayans and Uruguayans that ply their trade there too. I do not know what is in the water in Paraguay, some of the women I have had from there have been ridiculous. Given all the border restrictions of late, I am not sure if these girls are going to be around in the same numbers.
The other thing to consider is that the economy is a mess. Thats both good and bad for you as a tourist. Your dollar goes further, but the currency issues often mean that they are just pricing things in dollars anyway so you get no benefit from the exchange rate really. The other massive problem is actually being able to get cash. The ATM's limit what you can draw in local currency, so you really do need to go in with a lot of USD and exchange when you are there. I only went in with about 3 k, and I should have gone in with way more. At the same time the state of the economy has some amazing part timers looking for a bit of extra cash on the side.
My view is that its not great for a short trip unless you are going with people who are well plugged into the circuit as is stands today. If you are looking to spend a month or longer, the longer you stay the better it gets. If you are not a Spanish speaker, a short trip will also be quite tricky.
Guys guys comon. Scandallo. 400 or 500 MAX!! If they don't agree and wants something over then they probably don't like you. If they don't like you then its not worth it. Even if the dollar is 10 reais. We can can get so much for 400-500.
[QUOTE=Fewdie;2722355]Guys guys comon. Scandallo. 400 or 500 MAX!! If they don't agree and wants something over then they probably don't like you. If they don't like you then its not worth it. Even if the dollar is 10 reais. We can can get so much for 400-500.[/QUOTE]Despite your claim, the exchange rate absolutely is a relevant consideration. That's the real world reality of the situation on the ground. And an offer of 500 reals is absolutely not competitive for a top hottie at a place like Scandallo given current exchange rates. When the rate was 2 to 1, 500 reals would get you a lower end 6, and 400 reals would get you laughed out of the place! So think about it. But the solution is simple. If you don't want to pay Scandallo prices, then just don't go to Scandallo versus coming here and scolding mongers who do choose to go there about what they pay Scandallo tutes. It's just that simple. Don't fight a losing battle against the system. Don't fight the man. Because nobody is really listening. The clinicas are you! Because you see, just like cars (Buicks, BMWs, and Bentleys), the value of all women is not the same for each and every one of them. You may not think it's worth it to pay that kind of money for that "expensive ride". But, plenty of other people do. And will. I used to say the same thing about air travel too. First Class / Business Class isn't worth it. I'm flying on the same damn plane going to the same damn place and paying so much less riding back here! Well, after I flew Business Class for the first time, there was no happily going back to Coach Class ever again! Now, I'm not one of these guys who thinks I'm getting more just because I'm paying more, especially when it comes to pussy. But, I do know how to recognize what represents value and worth to me. So, count me in at Scandallo! With current exchange rates [B]always[/B] being taken into consideration! Hell, even if you're sticking to the clinicas or wherever you're going overseas you should do that! What is the value of your currency in the market where you want to purchase a good or service? That's the way the real world works. Not that all pussy is only worth 500 reals max, and that's it! There are other factors that must be taken into consideration, including the current exchange rate.
Thanks for writing such an elegant and accurate review. All you'e said is true. Scandallo is a masterpiece and never fails. Pries R500 to R1500 depending on what your'e looking for and how you 'connect'.
[QUOTE=JZeleznik;2721909]Hi,
So with my first Sao Paulo experience in the books, I really have to say it lives up to the hype. I had exactly one had session in my time there, and everything else was somewhere between decent and spectacular. Even as I write this my balls are begging me to go back. My routine was as follows:
Tengara: This place was the best priced, and the quality of the girls didn't suffer for it. On the contrary, two of the best looking girls I sessioned with were found here. Technically I should say three, but the third, Lily who appearance wise was gorgeous and exactly my type, was my single bad experience. With Lily I could tell she was struggling a bit so I tried to go slower / easier, but after 20 minutes of sex she literally said no more and wanted to give me a hand job. For the remaining 40 minutes. I tried to compromise and told her to do a blowjob, which quickly turned into a lazy hand job. After 10 minutes of that I just told her to stop, paid for the hour, and left. Eliza was my all star here, but everyone (well almost) was a good experience.
Prime: This place had some really good looking girls, some of whom I got to spend time with, and some I just saw passing through the reception area. More than once I decided to wait for a girl I saw, only to have someone else catch my interest after sitting for 10-20 minutes. Not one bad session here, and while its more expensive than Tengara, its still cheap by any Western standard. Paloma was probably the best PSE style session on my entire trip, and Angelica was the most passionate. A note about the staff, the blonde lady is awesome and has a great attitude, but the one with the dark hair I wasn't a fan of. I'm pretty sure she kept my change both times she was at the desk, and while it was only 10 R it was annoying. Normally I'd say something, but since I don't speak Portuguese I didn't think it was worth getting into in the event that I was wrong.
Miruna: This one was my least visited clinica, but no complaints. About the same price as Prime, and the same if we count that dark haired woman stealing my 10 R haha. Girls here were slightly less appealing in terms of looks, but certainly not bad, and the service was solid. If you don't find anyone you like at Prime, or you're out earlier in the day, I definitively suggest making your way here.
57 Friends: This one is a bar rather than a clinica, and one of the places I'd go at night. Drinks are expensive by local standards, but not unreasonable, and it had no entry fee. Girls are basically clinica prices, which is nice. My second best session happened here, and I saw several amazing looking women my first day who I wanted to session with. I went back many times, but never saw any of those women again, and the ones I did see were nothing special. My impression is quality is inconsistent, but you have the potential to see some all stars if you catch the right night. I wish I had found one of two more places like this for the rotation. Additionally the staff here are very friendly, which made my unsuccessful visits pleasant.[/QUOTE]
Returned this morning and sitting in airport working on solution to go back!
Sao Paulo is an amazing city. I loved the vibe. One can really alternate between the clinicas and Scandallo, which may be the GOAT in the entire world for hobbyists.
[QUOTE=JZeleznik;2721909]Hi,
So with my first Sao Paulo experience in the books, I really have to say it lives up to the hype. I had exactly one had session in my time there, and everything else was somewhere between decent and spectacular. Even as I write this my balls are begging me to go back. My routine was as follows:
Tengara: This place was the best priced, and the quality of the girls didn't suffer for it. On the contrary, two of the best looking girls I sessioned with were found here. Technically I should say three, but the third, Lily who appearance wise was gorgeous and exactly my type, was my single bad experience. With Lily I could tell she was struggling a bit so I tried to go slower / easier, but after 20 minutes of sex she literally said no more and wanted to give me a hand job. For the remaining 40 minutes. I tried to compromise and told her to do a blowjob, which quickly turned into a lazy hand job. After 10 minutes of that I just told her to stop, paid for the hour, and left. Eliza was my all star here, but everyone (well almost) was a good experience.
Prime: This place had some really good looking girls, some of whom I got to spend time with, and some I just saw passing through the reception area. More than once I decided to wait for a girl I saw, only to have someone else catch my interest after sitting for 10-20 minutes. Not one bad session here, and while its more expensive than Tengara, its still cheap by any Western standard. Paloma was probably the best PSE style session on my entire trip, and Angelica was the most passionate. A note about the staff, the blonde lady is awesome and has a great attitude, but the one with the dark hair I wasn't a fan of. I'm pretty sure she kept my change both times she was at the desk, and while it was only 10 R it was annoying. Normally I'd say something, but since I don't speak Portuguese I didn't think it was worth getting into in the event that I was wrong.
Miruna: This one was my least visited clinica, but no complaints. About the same price as Prime, and the same if we count that dark haired woman stealing my 10 R haha. Girls here were slightly less appealing in terms of looks, but certainly not bad, and the service was solid. If you don't find anyone you like at Prime, or you're out earlier in the day, I definitively suggest making your way here.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=TheCane;2722382]When the rate was 2 to 1, 500 reals would get you a lower end 6, and 400 reals would get you laughed out of the place! So think about it.[/QUOTE]I meant to refer back to when the exchange rate was 3 to 1.
On the ground in Moema. Prime is walking distance from the apartment hotel. . Three or four girls were available at 2 pm. She called more chicas while I waited. A few new to me observations. I was surprised how much I could chat and understand chicas with my poor street Spanglish. Nice to have basic conversations to instruct them on how I liked different positions. Good coffee while waiting. "Que legal. " As reported in Prime Ariella was a nice sloppy deep throat. Prime had six customers waiting by the time I left. Busy place. I walked to clinic Miruna, one of my favorite places.
Few observations that helped me a lot first trip.
The clinicas in Moema have building numbers! Made it easier to find them.
Clinicas and 7 Friends have very hood Wifi internet in the clinicas. Used their connection until my lazy ass could walk to the Claro store at the mall.
The service in the clinicas was great, small hot coffee, cold water, and Red Bull.
I prefer the 30 min option to test drive a Garota. Easy to extend to one hour if going well.
BBBJ was very common. I confirmed anyway with each chica before starting.
Alex H was right SP reminded me of Jakarta, the clinicas are discrete buildings. They are not behind huge security gates like in El Salvador o Guatemala.
In Moema I walked everywhere to at least five or six different clinicas. I stayed from 1 pm to six or 7 pm every day to sample the talent and 57 House. Found the gp-gua review site. It.
Walked to the laundry nearby to clean and wash clothes for a Cheap prices.
First night in Moema apartmento hotel a small jet went screaming overhead at 0600 am. Woke up right away. By the third night slept hard, late into the morning not bothered by the plane noise. As one poster said the entire area hears the same thing.
I went to Scandallo Wednesday night around 9 pm. More garotas arrived later in the night. It was a good experience. At the bar a cute Alicia Keys-looking hottie chatted me up about something. . we switched between spanish and my basic Duolingo portugués.
I ask her how much for the hour in portugués, she replied 450 reals. Asked her to repeat it in Spanish. Sure enough 450 reals. Bueno let's go. I didn't negotiate lower. It was the exact price point I wanted to pay. I didn't buy her a drink either. Scandallo is set up to use credit cards. We went down the elevator and backup on a different elevator. Greeted by another set of cashiers. I paid everything in cash to have a better feel for prices. The room was are $230, garota are $450 an hour, entrance fee with consumables already talked about by others. Uber are $25 to Scandallo from Moema, a 25 min ride at night. Got her WhatsApp number. We are meeting up for daytime fun.
[QUOTE=WayneRoberts;2722313]
Strip clubs. More expensive, expect $150-$200 a session. You often have to take them out and then add love motel cost on top. Girls tend to be of very high quality, but its not cheap by SA standards.
[/QUOTE]This may be a stupid question, but where / what are the strip clubs? That's usually my go to in unfamiliar territory, but I don't see any listed on Google maps. I would kill for a strip club right now.
In terms of the currency, that was problematic for me too. Coming by way of Brazil that meant I didn't have much in the way of dollars on me. Western Union is the best option for that, as it gives you pesos at what they call the Dollar Blue, or real exchange rate rather than the fake rate ATMs give you. With Western Union you can send yourself money at a rate of 300 pesos per dollar as opposed to the 130 the official rate offers. The downside there is almost none of the Western Union stores actually have cash. I tried to do $500 US, and literally only the big store downtown could process it. I literally initiated a second transfer while waiting in the 2 hour line.
Appreciate the info, and any club names / locations you could forward I'd be grateful for. Again sorry to the Sao Paulo community for cluttering the thread!
[QUOTE=Fewdie;2721476]Because the rate is very bad. Goto bradesco and withdraw.[/QUOTE]Zelezni thank you. Your details were super helpful. Uber from GRU airport was convenient to Moema. Which is located next to another airport.
I went to Ibirapuera mall. Claro on the first floor was useless. On the second floor, Claro sold the sim and data package, the mall is adjacent to a metro line. I traveled ave Paulista with all the banks. None of the ATMs from Santander Banco do Brasil, Caixa, or Itaú worked to withdraw funds on my visa card. Only Bradesco ATM. Thanks for the pro tip Fewdie declined the conversion.
A newbie observation does pay the house upfront or pay after the deed is done. Different clinical, different rules of paying.
The below are my impressions after a week in São Paulo, and two weeks in Buenos Aires. Both are amazing cities with tons of attractive women. São Paulo definitely has the edge in weather, sunshine and the sheer number of options.
I should mention that my preference is medium-term relationships measured in weeks and months, and that my Spanish is decent while Portuguese is rapidly improving. I like to go to nice restaurants, learn new things from conversations, form an emotional connection and genuinely enjoy helping them financially.
Let's start with the first flavor, clubs such as Scandallo. I was there maybe 3 times earlier in the week. Not all it's cracked up to be (as recent posts suggest). I found maybe 3 girls who met my requirements. True to my preference, I picked a hot young 20 year old with a near perfect body. There was very little emotional connection and the conversation was frankly dull. Nevertheless, I repeated with her 3 x during the week to try to figure out why. It seems like she's primarily focused on $ and less interested in anything long-term. Ultimately unsatisfying. Tonight I'm going to try to experience Scandallo as it was meant to be experienced, I. E. Go to the club, try the girls in the on-site rooms and then go home. I suspect I'll be dissatisfied but worth trying.
The second flavor, clinicas such as Lotus Lounge. One thing I liked here was their communication over WhatsApp. You can see who's working and book them ahead of time. I don't really like massages so wasn't expecting much here but picked a new girl with a crackin' body and gave it a shot. There was no massage to speak of, rather a near perfect GFE experience from start to finish. She was patient with my bad Portuguese and despite not being as attractive as the Scandallo girl, I left far more satisfied. We met for dinner the next day, and she was quite late (almost an hour). The conversation was rather dull although I got some smiles out of her. However, when we got back to my hotel, that perfect GFE experience made up for all of it with her going for two rounds while stimulating herself. Sadly, it's clear this girl is rather high mileage as I started having some throat pain in the following days and a small ulcer on the inside of my upper lip. I'm pondering if I can see her again without kissing, but may end up skipping entirely.
The third flavor, sugar dating primarily on Seeking. The first girl flaked outright (fake account). The second had doctored photos. And this is even with me asking them for unedited selfies. The third girl was solid, an 18 year old with a great body, great English and a cute face which could use a bit more care. The fourth girl was an aesthetician and was 26 rather than 23. Our first meeting was excellent, with her going for a second round without my prompting. Our second meeting was just ok, with me being a little tired because she was 1 hour late (again). Perhaps most importantly, she suggested the MeuPatrocinio site for sugar dating which I've signed up for, and oh boy there are more options than Seeking there for Brazil. First date asked for much lower prices than Seeking, and is tomorrow. Hopefully I'll have something good to report in a week or so.
Given that I'm here for weeks to months, I think I can focus on the sugar dating sites and keep learning Portuguese. I might dabble a bit in clinicas and clubs, but overall think they're ill advised for what I'm looking for.
I was in Buenos Aires for two weeks before, and I enjoyed the city immensely. Winter is not the best time to go, weather-wise, and the food was not quite as diverse as Brazil or Colombia, but the women make up for it. One thing which was interesting was the range in pricing, from $100-$300 (one actually asked for $2000). I'm always willing to pay for quality, although next time I'm there I'll probably negotiate down more and pay in pesos. The situation with inflation in Argentina makes the country very cheap to live in.
Nevertheless, the girls I met were the most punctual in LatAm, great conversationalists, and above average to great in bed. Two of the girls were on their periods when we met and that stopped nothing. For one of them, we just had sex in the bathroom. For the other, we put a towel down on the bed and the hotel didn't complain. I've had the strongest emotional connection to the girls in Argentina and will be back when the weather improves.
[QUOTE=TheCane;2722382]I used to say the same thing about air travel too. First Class / Business Class isn't worth it. I'm flying on the same damn plane going to the same damn place and paying so much less riding back here! Well, after I flew Business Class for the first time, there was no happily going back to Coach Class ever again![/QUOTE]I know what you are talking about. Today I checked flights to Germany with Lufthansa and to my surprise the business class was cheaper than the economy class. European business class is not very good, but still worth paying little bit more to avoid the lines and not having anybody sitting next to you etc.
Having a checking account that reimburse ATM fees adds lots of flexibility. I've had fees as as much as 10-12% (up to 60-70 USD) reimbursed.
I personally recommend getting a Schwab or TD bank account for international hobbying, as both have 0 to low minimum balance requirements and reimburse ALL ATM fees.
Make sure to decline conversion on ATM withdrawals Always let your bank determine the exchange rate, which will be close to market rate. When using a credit card, also make sure you are paying in BRL and not USD / Euro, etc.
I personally prefer Bradesco or Satander ATMs in the city, as they have minimal ATM fees and almost always let your bank do the conversion. I also occasionally use the ATM at GRU near the Starbucka in Terminal 3 just before you exit. My frienda and I have used this bank of ATMs without issue / fraud / card cloning, etc.
[QUOTE=SocratesNY;2722613]Having a checking account that reimburse ATM fees adds lots of flexibility. I've had fees as as much as 10-12% (up to 60-70 USD) reimbursed.[/QUOTE]Oh interesting. I have the Schwab card and its great for the 20 R ATM fees, but I always assumed it wouldn't work for those percentage based charges. You've seen it reimburse currency conversion charges yourself?
I have heard this more than once in Brazil. I suffered for two weeks last time I was there too. Paid more than USD 300 to see a doctor and ran a bunch of tests but did not show anything.
[QUOTE=TedFerguson;2722536]The below are my impressions after a week in So Paulo, and two weeks in Buenos Aires. Both are amazing cities with tons of attractive women. ...[/QUOTE]I had some luck in BA. Met a 18 or 19 yr old, and she didn't even ask for condom. I think food is much better than Colombia and good steaks are cheap. It looks like I may cross paths with you soon.
Thanks to TedFerguson, Tochka, JZeleznik, and NiceFirst for your reports.
I just came back from a trip last week and already missing SP. Thankfully, I get to go back in 2 months. I wasn't going to post regarding my recent trip, as I've done my fair share of reports on SP, but I keep learning / experiencing something new and cool each trip. Your reports also makes me want to give back.
Clinicas:
Patricia the blonde receptionist at Prime is a riot and Julia the receptionist at 57 is great and speaks great English. I also experienced the R10 "theft" by the brunette receptionist at Prime previously, but she stopped doing that on repeat visits.
When I started visiting clinicas on my first trip to SP, I would get a presentation and then walk / Uber to next one if I don't like what I saw. I would just do a circuit of Prime, 57, Miruna, Abbobora, and Enjoy.
Since that first visit, I have gained a bit more patience. It helps to get in their Whatsapp status updates. They will add you when you visit in person. It is also a good idea to check their "lineup book" at reception, listing the girls who are scheduled / started working that day, before you leave. It gives you an idea who / how many are busy in the room and wasn't present during your presentation. Both helps me decide whether to stay and wait to see whether the other occupied girls appeal to me.
I've also met many cool dudes while waiting, as we traded advice on who gives good service, who is hot, what other good places to go, etc.
On a final note, many of the popular girls get booked up by regulars via phone / WhatsApp appointments. So if you like someone, but they aren't available or no rooms are free. Just book an appointment and return later or for the next day!
That is what I eventually had to do with my favorite clinica girl, Jade from Prime. She rocked my world during one of my earlier trips, but I had trouble booking her spontaneously on subsequent trips. So this time, I made an appointment. And she hasn't changed a bit. Best GFE / PSE service of any clinica girl I've had in SP, and probably top 3 to 5 of any Brazilian P4 P encounter, which is saying a lot, considering all the amazing experiences I've had in Brazil.
Scandallo:
Sorry and also very surprised to hear about some of the recent reports about subpar talent or unmet expectations at Scandallo. I've been to SP 8 x in the last 15 months so probably been to Scandallo 20+ occasions during that period.
Since the first visit, which my friend and I found to be amazing, I've seen the talent at Scandallo, both in quality and quantity, improve with each subsequent trip. That has a lot to do with the pandemic becoming an endemic, the city lifting restrictions, and more girls being comfortable working and clients visiting the clubs.
This culminated in my most recent trip where I met a girl at Scandallo that was 9. 9 in looks in my book (Brooklyn Decker face and Paulina Porizkova body), spoke good English, was witty, intelligent, elegant and stylish. And to top it off, she was amazing in bed. My only regret was not meeting her until my last night in town. We plan to meet up in future visits. There is one drawback to her, which I will mention later in this post.
As for the rest of the talent in Scandallo last week. I have to say it was off the charts AMAZING! I usually visit SP from Thursday to Monday, but this trip I was there from Tuesday to Friday. And wow. Tuesday and Wednesday are super busy with high end talent. Those 2 days and Thursdays are probably the best days to go to Scandallo. The talent drops off a bit on Friday and then more on Saturday. Monday is probably the slowest day at the club.
Besides my newfound ATF at Scandallo, there were at least 7 to 10 other girls I considered to be 9+ on looks. And probably 3-4 of them to be 9. 5+. And I consider myself to be a tough grader. I generally go for young girl with a pretty / model like face and thin / porportional bodies. What they call gazelles. But I saw tons of voluptuous bombshells and slutty PSE looks as well. Basically all body types and looks to suit any taste. There were easily 150+, if not 200+ girls working on Tues to Thursday last week. Of those, there were lots of 7's and 8's as well. Only a super minority would I consider ro be 6 or below.
Daytime is a bit more quiet and has a relaxed vibe, and things don't get hopping until 10:30 to 11 pm and kept going strong until at least 3 am (the lastest I stayed before leaving with a girl).
You usually catch a different type of girl who works the daytime shift. Many have family obligations or pretend they work a regular job, while workimg in Scandallo. There are more fly by night girls, who are just trying it out, need a quick cash infusion and then stop, etc. Who work during the day shift. There are also less girls working during the day. This can lead to a wide range of talent levels. I've met some drop dead gorgeous girls who did this for just a few weeks to a month and stopped. But also saw a lot of girls that wouldn't interest me even if it was free during the day. Those definitely choose to work during the day shift due to less competition.
I find that a lot of the best talent shows up between 6 to 8 pm, as they can catch the after work crowd, who wants a quickie before going home, while also not having to stay too late to make their quota in terms of time spent in club, rooms or a "Saida" for a free invite back.
Then you have your creme de la creme talent, that can show up at 10,11 pm. Or midnight and not worry about their admission or free invite, as they are so hot and in demand, that they can guarantee a few high priced rooms or a saida. These girls come and go as they please and don't care much about the free invite, so don't work the full 5 days. They often have regulars who book them for the night or take them on international trips so only work when there is a gap in their schedule and want to work. Many of those girls get snapped up fast in the club as soon as they arrive.
My new ATF girl falls into that last category. She is crazy hot and I saw her on the previous 2 nights, but both nights she was with a guy as soon as I noticed her. Each of the two previous nights, the guy partied with her for an hour or two and then they left the club together. On my last night in town, I made it my mission to find her in the club, so politely turned down all offers. I did meet one other girl I liked and told her I was waiting on someone else and got her number. We ended up having a very good afternoon rendezvous in my place the next day before my flight in the evening.
Going back to my new ATF girl, I saw her just before midnight, arriving at the club from the elevator. I quickly approached her and introduced myself. I found her to have good English skills and we decided to go to the outdoor patio for a drink.
We hit it off and soon I turned the discussion to compensation and she floored me somewhat with her pricing. She wanted R1,000 for the hour (quite normal as a first ask) and R3,000 for overnight (way more than I've ever been asked for). I told her it wasn't my first rodeo and I usually pay R5-700 for the hour and R1,000 to R1,500 for overnight. She politely told me that's them and this is her price. She wouldn't budge even when I offered R800 for the hour or R2,000 for overnight, numbers that would get a guaranteed yes from 99.99% of the girls there.
I decided to pay more than I've ever paid for an hour in Brazil, as she ticked all my boxes, and the FX rate is in my favor. 10 minutes into our session, I was thinking of extending to 90 min! And 45 min into it, I decided to pay her price of R3,000 for overnight, as she was so good in bed. Her price is 2 x the cost of the highest I've ever paid a boates girl for overnight.
I wasn't sure If she would live up to her billing for an overnight, but to my surprise, she was totally worth it to me. She had incredible endurance and passion. Her service was the best I've had in Brazil. And she was the hottest working girl I met in Brazil as well. That rare combination, as well as her witty and sweet personality makes her a rare unicorn in this line of work.
I almost took a pass on her due to her overnight pricing (I prefer overnight to on-site, as I usually have a nice suite at a 5 star hotel), but am glad I decided to sample her for the hour and doubly glad I took her back to my hotel, as she gave me one of the top 5 hobbying nights of my life.
After scanning your very long no-ending essay, my statement still holds true.
I'm putting the price out there because its a factor for many here. You can believe the numbers or not believe. Your money and time. GFE is another factor that many people here (maybe except you) considers and paying higher most likely won't change any of that. I'm fluent in portuguese and have talked with a lot of the people there and around Brazil and can say what I said without a doubt. Have a good day.
[QUOTE=TheCane;2722382]Despite your claim, the exchange rate absolutely is a relevant consideration. That's the real world reality of the situation on the ground. And an offer of 500 reals is absolutely not competitive for a top hottie at a place like Scandallo given current exchange rates. When the rate was 2 to 1, 500 reals would get you a lower end 6, and 400 reals would get you laughed out of the place! So think about it. But the solution is simple. If you don't want to pay Scandallo prices, then just don't go to Scandallo versus coming here and scolding mongers who do choose to go there about what they pay Scandallo tutes. It's just that simple. Don't fight a losing battle against the system. Don't fight the man. Because nobody is really listening. The clinicas are you! Because you see, just like cars (Buicks, BMWs, and Bentleys), the value of all women is not the same for each and every one of them. You may not think it's worth it to pay that kind of money for that "expensive ride". But, plenty of other people do. And will. I used to say the same thing about air travel too. First Class / Business Class isn't worth it. I'm flying on the same damn plane going to the same damn place and paying so much less riding back here! Well, after I flew Business Class for the first time, there was no happily going back to Coach Class ever again! Now, I'm not one of these guys who thinks I'm getting more just because I'm paying more, especially when it comes to pussy. But, I do know how to recognize what represents value and worth to me. So, count me in at Scandallo! With current exchange rates [B]always[/B] being taken into consideration! Hell, even if you're sticking to the clinicas or wherever you're going overseas you should do that! What is the value of your currency in the market where you want to purchase a good or service? That's the way the real world works. Not that all pussy is only worth 500 reals max, and that's it! There are other factors that must be taken into consideration, including the current exchange rate.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Fewdie;2722764]After scanning your very long no-ending essay, my statement still holds true.
I'm putting the price out there because its a factor for many here. You can believe the numbers or not believe. Your money and time. GFE is another factor that many people here (maybe except you) considers and paying higher most likely won't change any of that. I'm fluent in portuguese and have talked with a lot of the people there and around Brazil and can say what I said without a doubt. Have a good day.[/QUOTE]Not sure which of your statement you feel "still holds true. "?
If you feel you can get [B]ANY or MOST[/B] girls in Scandallo for R400-R500 due to a combination of:
1) That's what all the locals pay.
2) People who pay more than that are horrible negotiators.
3) People who pay more are paying a "Gringo" fee / price.
4) Porto skills leads to lower cost and if you can speak it, you shouldn't pay more than R400-R500.
5) Any more than R4-500 means "they probably don't like you".
Then you are IMHO either 1) trying to egg people on / put them down. E. g. , a "troll" 2) seeing half the picture and live in a philosophical bubble or 3) over exaggerating the situation for a variety of reasons, one of which is probably to feel superior to others.
I do believe some of the points 1 to 5 laid out above have a grain of truth to them.
1). Some locals do pay less than Gringos at Scandallo, but usually not, and many pay more. 95+% of the clients are local RICH Brazilian. THEY set the market price that the girls can command. Sao Paulo has the most millionaires in South America. You can see this concentration of wealth all over the club, from the clothes and shoes they wear to the bottles of JW Blue / Macallan 18 to 30 yr on the table.
If you think these guys, sporting expensive tailored clothing and drinking bottles costing 5,000 to R25,000, will tell a hot girl they want, that they will only pay her R4-500 for the hour. And not a real more, then you are welcome to your fantasy. These guys are used to instant gratification and have the means to get it.
I've spoken to countless Brazilian local clients at Scandallo and they usually fall into one of three types: 1) Just hanging / drinking with friends, but might get a girl's number for later / cheaper meeting outside the club 2) rather spend less on girls at a more "local" / less high end place, so just come to Scandallo to hang or look and 3) Professional guys who tell me they usually pay R600 to R1,500 for the hour and from R1,200 to R3,000 to go back to their hotel / home. Depending on how much he likes the girl. This last group makes up the majority, if not the super majority of the local guys that I spoke. To.
2). How you negotiate can obviously affect how much you pay. But not to your price point with any regularity.
3). There can definitely be a Gringo and sometimes Asian "tax" involved. One reason is language skills, as a lot of girls at Scandallo don't speak English, so those that can have a leg up and can charge more. There's also a perception among some girls that a lot of the Asians that visit are rich and more liberal with their spending, and it doesn't matter whether they are locals or visiting businessmen. Then there is the stereotype that they are more gentle and have smaller cocks so an easier lay.
4). As alluded to above, language skills definitely play part in the negotiation. A girl that can speak other languages can charge more. A girl that can only speak Porto might be more comfortable with a local guy so might charge them less, and charge more to the Non-Porto speaker, as it's more mentally draining to go with the latter. Sort of a damned if you do and damned if you don't situation!
5). Of course how much they like you affects the cost. If they like the way you look and have good chemistry together, it definitely can drive down the price.
With all of that said, do I think you can get a girl at Scandallo for R4-500 for the hour?
YES, but RARELY and usually under a unique set of circumstances. Throw enough darts on the board, and you will hit the bullseye eventually.
My friend and I have had some great deals at Scandallo, from the occasional R500 offer for the hour to R800-R1,000 to go back to hotel for 8 to 10 hours. All the way up to 24 hours for multiple day dates.
Those good deals usually occur because of a combination of:
1) The girl likes you a lot.
2) you are getting a repeat customer discount (some even offered free sessions, but we turned those down as we didn't want to blur the line.).
3) It's a slow time of day and they want to get a session in while business is dead.
4) they are inexperienced / new and don't known what the club market rate is.
5) Not the most attractive girl and can't command the going rate with regularity.
In summary, I believe the current "normal" rate one would expect to pay at Scandallo is R600 to R800 for the hour and R1,200 to R1,500 for an overnight. Of course that range can differ based on many factors from appearance, both yours and hers, chemistry together, day and time, the alignment of the stars, the moon and the sun, and everything mentioned earlier in this novel!
As always with this hobby and in life, YMMV. A Brad Pitt lookalike will get a different experience at Scandallo than a Harvey Weinstein clone.
[QUOTE=Fewdie;2722764]After scanning your very long no-ending essay, my statement still holds true. I'm putting the price out there because its a factor for many here. You can believe the numbers or not believe. Your money and time. GFE is another factor that many people here (maybe except you) considers and paying higher most likely won't change any of that. I'm fluent in portuguese and have talked with a lot of the people there and around Brazil and can say what I said without a doubt. Have a good day.[/QUOTE]I'm sorry that my "essay" was to long and hard for you to read. But had you indeed read it, then you would have known that nowhere did I deny that price is a factor for many here. That would be a silly assertion to make. Because the fact of the matter is that it's a factor for almost everybody here, including me. But the point is that everybody's price is different, and that you had ought to take into account where it is you're trying to buy, and how things work there. You have a good day too!
[QUOTE=SocratesNY;2722810]As always with this hobby and in life, YMMV. A Brad Pitt lookalike will get a different experience at Scandallo than a Harvey Weinstein clone.[/QUOTE]Now [B]that[/B] was an essay worthy of "Socrates"! Hahahaha!
[QUOTE=Nounce;2722687]I have heard this more than once in Brazil. I suffered for two weeks last time I was there too. Paid more than USD 300 to see a doctor and ran a bunch of tests but did not show anything.[/QUOTE]After my very first trip to Brazil, I got a really bad sore throat. Then, I picked up a tip from one of the guys, which was to gargle with Listerine. I started doing that regularly during any subsequent mongering trips I took to any part of the world, and I never got a sore throat again. I never leave home without my Listerine in my bags!
So good to see Socrates and TedF back here! Socrates you are spot on with your pricing editorial and especially the point about price insensitivity. Yes you can often work hard to get the price down, but frankly a lot of guys have the coin to not give two fucks. In the US I am regularly paying $400-500 an evening (on Seeking) so it's all about perspective. And great boots on the ground report. Kinda amazed the top shelf pricing experiment worked out but glad it did.
I've gotten to know Ted a bit from his first tentative Clinica steps some years ago to a seasoned multi-country expert. Bear in mind that his Scandallo take is flavored by his extensive dip in the sugar babies pool. I've been in the sugar babies pool for all of COVID and let me tell you Scandallo and German FKK never look quite the same after you have had some real multi-day GFE that goes beyond the bedroom and is deeply emotionally satisfying as well.
Don't get me wrong. I still go to Scandallo and the FKK and enjoy myself but never quite the same as the home town "girlfriend" who runs to you and smothers you in kisses and does the doe eyes BJ just the way you like it because she knows how U like it and (apparently) adores you as much as you do her.
[QUOTE=SocratesNY;2722810]Not sure which of your statement you feel "still holds true. "?
If you feel you can get [B]ANY or MOST[/B] girls in Scandallo for R400-R500 due to a combination of:
1) That's what all the locals pay.
2) People who pay more than that are horrible negotiators.
3) People who pay more are paying a "Gringo" fee / price.
4) Porto skills leads to lower cost and if you can speak it, you shouldn't pay more than R400-R500.
5) Any more than R4-500 means "they probably don't like you".
Then you are IMHO either 1) trying to egg people on / put them down. E. g. , a "troll" 2) seeing half the picture and live in a philosophical bubble or 3) over exaggerating the situation for a variety of reasons, one of which is probably to feel superior to others.
I do believe some of the points 1 to 5 laid out above have a grain of truth to them.
1). Some locals do pay less than Gringos at Scandallo, but usually not, and many pay more. 95+% of the clients are local RICH Brazilian. THEY set the market price that the girls can command. Sao Paulo has the most millionaires in South America. You can see this concentration of wealth all over the club, from the clothes and shoes they wear to the bottles of JW Blue / Macallan 18 to 30 yr on the table.
If you think these guys, sporting expensive tailored clothing and drinking bottles costing 5,000 to R25,000, will tell a hot girl they want, that they will only pay her R4-500 for the hour. And not a real more, then you are welcome to your fantasy. These guys are used to instant gratification and have the means to get it.
I've spoken to countless Brazilian local clients at Scandallo and they usually fall into one of three types: 1) Just hanging / drinking with friends, but might get a girl's number for later / cheaper meeting outside the club 2) rather spend less on girls at a more "local" / less high end place, so just come to Scandallo to hang or look and 3) Professional guys who tell me they usually pay R600 to R1,500 for the hour and from R1,200 to R3,000 to go back to their hotel / home. Depending on how much he likes the girl. This last group makes up the majority, if not the super majority of the local guys that I spoke. To.
2). How you negotiate can obviously affect how much you pay. But not to your price point with any regularity.
3). There can definitely be a Gringo and sometimes Asian "tax" involved. One reason is language skills, as a lot of girls at Scandallo don't speak English, so those that can have a leg up and can charge more. There's also a perception among some girls that a lot of the Asians that visit are rich and more liberal with their spending, and it doesn't matter whether they are locals or visiting businessmen. Then there is the stereotype that they are more gentle and have smaller cocks so an easier lay.[/QUOTE]Nice summary and YMMV is true! People pay what is comfortable for their budget / income. In the end, its sex in exchange for something of value, both client and girl have their own values. Some girls don't always want money, they'll take other gifts.
Having gone to Scandallo, Bomboa, and Photo for 10 years I have never gotten anything lower than 500 R for an hour regardless of the exchange rate. 500 R back then for a solid 9 will cost at least 700 R now taking into consideration inflation in Brasil has always been high. But 10 years ago the exchange was 2:1 and now its 5:1 so its all relative.
This is why I always say don't pay more than 700 for 1 hour or 1500 for overnight and people that think its too high then go somewhere else like clinicas or Connection.
Thanks for all interesting tibits on BA. As a recent frequent traveler to SP, Buenos Aires has intrigued me.
BA has many pluses for me. It is a short hop away, is a large cosmopolitan city (lots of good restaurants, high end hotels and presumably decent infrastructure) and Spanish speaking (My Spanish is way better than my Porto).
However, the ISG Argentina forums is a graveyard for recent info. The confusing / more complex exchange rate system (having to use Western Union or street black market for best rates) is an annoying obstacle.
There also doesn't seem to be places like Scandallo in BA. I prefer to see the girl in person and interact with her to see if we have chemistry and whether my service requests can be met by her. That is why I usually avoid online incall / outcalls escorts and usually only use brothels / clinicas as a backup option. At least in those, you can see how a girl really looks in person before deciding.
I also don't have the time or flexibility to go the SB / Seeking route. I am usually only in the city for a few days at a time so it's not the best ROI for my limited time.
I know this is the SP forum, but due to the recent discussion by knowledgeable BA mongers, I want to ask:
If I was looking to make a 2-3 day side trip to BA from SP.
1) Are there hobbying venues like Scandallo, strip clubs, etc. That you can meet and chat up a girl before taking her back to your hotel?
2) Is the average service level comparable to Brazil?
3) is Western Union the best way to get a good rate on ARS? I presume I shouldn't send more than I expect to use, as it'll be very difficult to impossible to switch back to USD.
4) Are the nice 5 star hotels in BA girl friendly?
5) Do the nice hotels and restaurants accept ARS or only USD due to their inflation? I figure if I use a credit card and pay in either ARS or USD, I would be getting the shitty "official" rate.
6) With all the extra logistical obstacles BA has compared to SP, is it even worth it to go for a short trip, especially when the cost of hobbying there seems comparable.
It seems that if I decide to go, my main expectations should be to explore the city and eat at some nice restaurants, with hobbying playing second fiddle. Or am I wrong?
Feel free to DM me if it's more appropriate.
[QUOTE=JZeleznik;2722666]Oh interesting. I have the Schwab card and its great for the 20 R ATM fees, but I always assumed it wouldn't work for those percentage based charges. You've seen it reimburse currency conversion charges yourself?[/QUOTE]NO! The Schwab card or any debit card, even high end accounts, like Chase Private Client / Citi Gold, does not reimburse "currency conversion" IF you accept the ATM's conversion.
ALWAYS decline the ATM's conversion option.
However, a few ATMs charge an ATM "fee" based on percentage of withdrawal amount. The one in the Grand Hyatt Sao Paulo charges like 12%. I also believe another one in GRU charges 10%. I think it's the one by baggage claim.
I've been charged ATM fees in those instances of 50-60 USD, as I took out about R2,500. These high fees were reimbursed by Schwab and my main checking account.
So for those ATMs, if you accept their currency conversion, you get fucked both ways. On the ATM fees and the currency conversion.
[QUOTE=SocratesNY;2722829]NO! The Schwab card or any debit card, even high end accounts, like Chase Private Client / Citi Gold, does not reimburse "currency conversion" IF you accept the ATM's conversion.
ALWAYS decline the ATM's conversion option.
However, a few ATMs charge an ATM "fee" based on percentage of withdrawal amount. The one in the Grand Hyatt Sao Paulo charges like 12%. I also believe another one in GRU charges 10%. I think it's the one by baggage claim.
I've been charged ATM fees in those instances of 50-60 USD, as I took out about R2,500. These high fees were reimbursed by Schwab and my main checking account.
So for those ATMs, if you accept their currency conversion, you get fucked both ways. On the ATM fees and the currency conversion.[/QUOTE]Damn SocratesNY! You dropping all kinds of good knowledge up in here today LOL!
[QUOTE=SocratesNY;2722822]...It seems that if I decide to go, my main expectations should be to explore the city and eat at some nice restaurants, with hobbying playing second fiddle. Or am I wrong?.[/QUOTE]I think for a 2-3 day side trip, the club called D'Lirio by the cemetery would work for you. I have sessioned in various places, from the very low end to higher price. I think on average the service is limited in P4 P. Even Colombia can't match Brazil service wise.
I have looked at SA and contacted some a few years back. It didn't work for me and probably because I didn't spend enough time on it. I only looked at new profiles. There are some activities but I felt it was limited.
My guess is most hotels are girl friendly because there is not much mongering going on. You can ask the hotel before booking. I only had two girls coming to my hotel, always after 10 PM, and they were never bothered except they were asked to present IDs sometimes. The girls that visited me also didn't dress provocatively like you would often see in Medellin.
The easier route is to have USDs and exchange to local currency in downtown Florida street. You can't miss it because they will approach you as you walk down the street. You can compare rate from multiple street vendors that approach you to get a fair rate in that area. It's not the best rate but it's good for a small amount if you don't want to keep too much local currency with you.
The city's infrastructure is old, a lot of things are broken. I like the food and steak here more than Brazil. Most restaurants are old school in old buildings. There are many speakeasy style bars that are interesting to me. These bars are similar to Bar dos Arcos in SP but with much older interior. Puerto Maduro area has newer and nicer restaurants that are similar to places like Seen or Skye in SP ambience wise.
I already have a flight booked to BA later. That is how much I like the city.
[QUOTE=SocratesNY;2722810]With all of that said, do I think you can get a girl at Scandallo for R4-500 for the hour?
YES, but RARELY and usually under a unique set of circumstances. Throw enough darts on the board, and you will hit the bullseye eventually.[/QUOTE]Those are prices the locals pay at Casarao. I checked the last few pages on the local forum and most guys paid 350-500 for an hour there, with few exceptions who had paid 300. Scandallo is more expensive than Casarao.
Thanks all you guys for the protip. I got in the wassap list to see daily lineup at Miruna, Prime, and EnjoySpa to schedule of garotas photos, and names. At Prime, the brunette did not return change twice. By the third session, I got the change back. She warmed up a bit. I started to tip small amounts to the cleaning ladies. They deal with the dirty mess after sloppy sessions. We got into humorous conversations about cleaning the rooms in a Clinica. That helped with better service from the brunette. She told me her name. I forgot to make a note of it. The clinicas have an interesting culture of hanging around until the Garota you want is available. Other posters mentioned the same.
That reminds me of GBP casa in DR. Hanging around shooting the shit with the staff. I found it worth the wait sometimes. Because every Garota I repeated with two or more sessions had one sexy thing in common. BBBJDT licking balls and swallowing. No spitting out. The first time it happened expected the Garota to spit out the cum into the towel. Nope, she downed it all, swallowing with a smile. Damn. Another Garota from 57 did cumplay before swallowing. The knees buckled watching a pretty Meghan Markel Garota play with cum before swallowing it all down. Not a drop was missed. And didn't ask for propina. I gave small tip anyways. Next on the bucket list, is a Duplo with cum snowballing by two garotas. They cuming by uber now.
It doesn't matter. You can read what I wrote and reference it. Or you can read it and get insulted and butt hurt by it. That's your problem. I'm not going to baby feed you.
Some girls come to Scandallo are looking for that fast cash jackpot gringo treasure hunt. All girls there are just normal citizens like everyone else in Brazil. Many of them have online ad postings that are 500 or sub. There shouldn't be a problem for anyone with 500. Sao Paulo is more than just SCANDALLO! and Brazil is more than just SAO PAULO!
You can exchange your money at the airport for R4. 8 or whatever with the current rates and fees where they rip you off and make money off of you. Or you can do it at a Bradesco branch and get current market rate without fees.
[QUOTE=SocratesNY;2722810]Not sure which of your statement you feel "still holds true. "?
If you feel you can get [B]ANY or MOST[/B] girls in Scandallo for R400-R500 due to a combination of:
1) That's what all the locals pay.
2) People who pay more than that are horrible negotiators.
3) People who pay more are paying a "Gringo" fee / price.
4) Porto skills leads to lower cost and if you can speak it, you shouldn't pay more than R400-R500.
5) Any more than R4-500 means "they probably don't like you".
Then you are IMHO either 1) trying to egg people on / put them down. E. g. , a "troll" 2) seeing half the picture and live in a philosophical bubble or 3) over exaggerating the situation for a variety of reasons, one of which is probably to feel superior to others.
I do believe some of the points 1 to 5 laid out above have a grain of truth to them.
1). Some locals do pay less than Gringos at Scandallo, but usually not, and many pay more. 95+% of the clients are local RICH Brazilian. THEY set the market price that the girls can command. Sao Paulo has the most millionaires in South America. You can see this concentration of wealth all over the club, from the clothes and shoes they wear to the bottles of JW Blue / Macallan 18 to 30 yr on the table.
If you think these guys, sporting expensive tailored clothing and drinking bottles costing 5,000 to R25,000, will tell a hot girl they want, that they will only pay her R4-500 for the hour. And not a real more, then you are welcome to your fantasy. These guys are used to instant gratification and have the means to get it.
I've spoken to countless Brazilian local clients at Scandallo and they usually fall into one of three types: 1) Just hanging / drinking with friends, but might get a girl's number for later / cheaper meeting outside the club 2) rather spend less on girls at a more "local" / less high end place, so just come to Scandallo to hang or look and 3) Professional guys who tell me they usually pay R600 to R1,500 for the hour and from R1,200 to R3,000 to go back to their hotel / home. Depending on how much he likes the girl. This last group makes up the majority, if not the super majority of the local guys that I spoke. To.
2). How you negotiate can obviously affect how much you pay. But not to your price point with any regularity.
3). There can definitely be a Gringo and sometimes Asian "tax" involved. One reason is language skills, as a lot of girls at Scandallo don't speak English, so those that can have a leg up and can charge more. There's also a perception among some girls that a lot of the Asians that visit are rich and more liberal with their spending, and it doesn't matter whether they are locals or visiting businessmen. Then there is the stereotype that they are more gentle and have smaller cocks so an easier lay.
4). As alluded to above, language skills definitely play part in the negotiation. A girl that can speak other languages can charge more. A girl that can only speak Porto might be more comfortable with a local guy so might charge them less, and charge more to the Non-Porto speaker, as it's more mentally draining to go with the latter. Sort of a damned if you do and damned if you don't situation!
5). Of course how much they like you affects the cost. If they like the way you look and have good chemistry together, it definitely can drive down the price.
With all of that said, do I think you can get a girl at Scandallo for R4-500 for the hour?
YES, but RARELY and usually under a unique set of circumstances. Throw enough darts on the board, and you will hit the bullseye eventually.
My friend and I have had some great deals at Scandallo, from the occasional R500 offer for the hour to R800-R1,000 to go back to hotel for 8 to 10 hours. All the way up to 24 hours for multiple day dates.
Those good deals usually occur because of a combination of:
1) The girl likes you a lot.
2) you are getting a repeat customer discount (some even offered free sessions, but we turned those down as we didn't want to blur the line.).
3) It's a slow time of day and they want to get a session in while business is dead.
4) they are inexperienced / new and don't known what the club market rate is.
5) Not the most attractive girl and can't command the going rate with regularity.
In summary, I believe the current "normal" rate one would expect to pay at Scandallo is R600 to R800 for the hour and R1,200 to R1,500 for an overnight. Of course that range can differ based on many factors from appearance, both yours and hers, chemistry together, day and time, the alignment of the stars, the moon and the sun, and everything mentioned earlier in this novel!
As always with this hobby and in life, YMMV. A Brad Pitt lookalike will get a different experience at Scandallo than a Harvey Weinstein clone.[/QUOTE]
As I mentioned in previous post about Argentina, pandemics has changed the scene up side down, and unfortunate economic measures are ruining the currency adn people's sallaries.
I have great contacts among visual producers en Argentina as you can see, but I'll post that information in the Argentina zone of ISG, so we don't mess this great Sao Paulo posts, and we throtle that area that diserves a deeper view.
There are super hot argies.
Important to mention that guys on the pics are both visual producers.
[QUOTE=SocratesNY;2722822]Thanks for all interesting tibits on BA. As a recent frequent traveler to SP, Buenos Aires has intrigued me.
BA has many pluses for me. It is a short hop away, is a large cosmopolitan city (lots of good restaurants, high end hotels and presumably decent infrastructure) and Spanish speaking (My Spanish is way better than my Porto).
However, the ISG Argentina forums is a graveyard for recent info. The confusing / more complex exchange rate system (having to use Western Union or street black market for best rates) is an annoying obstacle.
There also doesn't seem to be places like Scandallo in BA. I prefer to see the girl in person and interact with her to see if we have chemistry and whether my service requests can be met by her. That is why I usually avoid online incall / outcalls escorts and usually only use brothels / clinicas as a backup option. At least in those, you can see how a girl really looks in person before deciding.
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[QUOTE=SocratesNY;2722822]
I know this is the SP forum, but due to the recent discussion by knowledgeable BA mongers, I want to ask:
If I was looking to make a 2-3 day side trip to BA from SP.
.[/QUOTE]Last post about BA from me, but the random tidbits in this thread helped salvage my trip so I wanted to share what I can and repay the favor.
Going off of the suggestions here I tried a few girls off of the bairesgirls site. I was able to find some information in Spanish to cross reference a few of them, and setup some appointments. When you text one of these girls they have a generic message they send outlining the details of their service. You let them know if you want a half hour or an hour, when, and then set a date. The first girl I saw definitely hit me with a gringo tax, likely from seeing my US number, but even so it came out to $50 for an hour with anal included so I didn't want to argue it. The next three were cheaper, and it seems 10,000 pesos is the standard for an hour. That works out to about $35 at current Western Union rates. In terms of looks I'm very particular, but all of the girls I saw were good looking and matched their photos. I've used agencies before, but never individual online ads so that was a pleasant surprise. In terms of service, while none were outright bad I found I was really getting see+ effort. Only one was something I'd consider repeating. In terms of service it offered no competition to Brazil.
I was pretty spent today as I'm now trying to fit a weeks worth of hobbying into 2. 5 days, but I just paid a visit to the'Lirio for research purposes. The doorman tells me its 2,000 for a table or 3,000 for a booth with some portion being consumable. My Spanish isn't great and I was struggling with the details, so he walked me into the club to speak to someone else. I go to pay him the 3,000 only to find out he said 30,000 and 20,000 respectively. Again at Western Union rates, that's $102 or $68 for entry, or 2-3 hours with a good looking online girl. Having gotten a glimpse at the 20 ish girls working, and only a glimpse because it was the darkest club I've ever been in, I decided it wasn't even worth my time to stay and hear what kind of prices the girls would quote me. After declining both entry fees I was also offered a bar option for 10,000 pesos, but again from what I could tell the talent present didn't justify even that. Given the entry fee, I couldn't imagine the girls would be asking for less than $100 US. In terms of other venues I really can't find anything concrete online, which is a shame because I'm very much in the mood for a strip club. I might make my way to Cocodrilo as it was apparently once a hotspot and I'm curious, though I have an early appointment so 50/50 on that.
Western Union is absolutely the best rate to change money. Currently they will give you 322 pesos per dollar, whereas a local shop will offer you somewhere around 300 pesos per dollar, and really only for crisp $100's. $50's they tend to offer a few pesos less. The downside is almost every Western Union will ask how much you're trying to pick up, and then tell you they don't have the money. For my first transfer I only tried to get $500 worth, and literally only one shop in the city that I could find had the cash for even that small amount. The wait time was several hours in line, but unfortunately because I arrived via Brazil I had almost $0 as I would just hit up the ATM every other day. In my opinion, the "best" option is to bring stacks of $100's, find a shop that offers a fair rate, and change them as needed.
Never ever pay for anything with a credit card. Currently the official rate is 130 pesos per dollar, and that's what any credit card transaction will use. Paying in pesos Argentina is reasonably cheap, paying with a credit card prices are more expensive than in the US. That also means you'll be overpaying for your hotel. I stayed in a five star hotel and it cost me just shy of $600 per night. The nice restaurants definitely accept pesos. I was not asked for dollars anywhere, and I didn't offer.
It took me roughly five days to get settled in in BA. Today was not bad, and if I had another week I think it would be a decent time. A third week would probably be disappointing, as the talent pool is a bit on the small side. Argentinian women are exactly my type, and walking the city I saw the two best looking women I've ever seen in person. People talk about 10's a lot, and I've seen plenty of 8's and 9's with stellar makeup, but I've never actually seen a genuine 10 in person before visiting Argentina. Here I saw one just out in the wild acting like regular people. With that said, given all of the hurdles and apparent lack of options, I couldn't recommend it as long as Brazil is on the table. Hope that helps!
[QUOTE=Fewdie;2722981]It doesn't matter. You can read what I wrote and reference it. Or you can read it and get insulted and butt hurt by it. That's your problem. I'm not going to baby feed you.
Some girls come to Scandallo are looking for that fast cash jackpot gringo treasure hunt. All girls there are just normal citizens like everyone else in Brazil. Many of them have online ad postings that are 500 or sub. There shouldn't be a problem for anyone with 500. Sao Paulo is more than just SCANDALLO! and Brazil is more than just SAO PAULO!
You can exchange your money at the airport for R4. 8 or whatever with the current rates and fees where they rip you off and make money off of you. Or you can do it at a Bradesco branch and get current market rate without fees.[/QUOTE]I really don't understand some of you guys.
I've met some forum posters out on the field who make over $150 k+ a year and balk at the idea of paying a girl anything over 500 BRL otherwise they were the ones getting fucked.
I understand guys like Vagabundo who actually lives in Brazil, he has to pace himself and get the best ROI since he has the time.
But I met guys who flew into Brazil from Europe or the US for a week or so and they were appalled at paying a girl's reasonable rate like it had GBP symbol next to it.
I'm not one of those liquid rich americans but I understand the value of a good experience above anything else.
I've been to Montreal with their robust agencies like XO and Euphoria, Berlin with their World Class FKK and Brothels, Barcelona with their High End brothels like La Suite and Felina along with various agencies like Apricots, Eden53, LePrivee, Vecinitas.
All top destinations for a good time besides asia (I'm not really into asian girls myself so haven't done that route).
I've had really good experiences in all those places but with Brazil it's a whole different adventure.
I would say if I averaged out the price I paid at those 3 destinations it would be like $175 for 1 HR.
In Brazil for 1000 BRL or $200 you can get a girl for a pernoite or multiple hours and do all kinds of kinky shit like getting a BJ at a movie theater or fucking at the beach.
You really get the best ROI by a mile.
Your money goes a long way in terms of both currency exchange and experience and one should take advantage of this. Brazil won't be the land of milk and honey forever. It will go sour and dry up one of these days so why not take part of it's sweetest nectar while you can.
It's like going to Italy and saving money by eating at McDonald's since it's the most economical thing around instead of he multiple local delicious restaurants that serves the best food Italy has to offer and what it's known famous for!
I know what I like and if I see a bryce dallas howard or zazie beetz look a like I'm going in over 500 if I have to. There is such a thing as spending too much we can all agree but to cap yourself at 500 is quite limiting what potential could be had.
Alot of guys here write and act as if they know for sure that they are going to wake up the next morning or take their saving into the afterlife.
Do what you makes you happy and as you please by all means. That's just my 2 cents. YMMV.
"I know when the bell tolls for me I'll be pleased with the knowledge that I saved a few dollars instead of feeling that euphoria that all men search for".
- no one.
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It's like going to Italy and saving money by eating at McDonald's since it's the most economical thing around instead of he multiple local delicious restaurants that serves the best food Italy has to offer and what it's known famous for!
[/QUOTE]So fucking true! I had friends who follow this concept and it boggles my mind.
I just came from a vacation in Cancun and it is utter monger hell. Worse than my town in the USA. I knew that Cancun isn't the place to monger before I went but I was bored and decided to try my luck. The girls charge outrageous prices and the experience is terrible. I used SA and tried two different girls. Both serious letdowns. Brazil is the place to be and I will happily spend what I feel comfortable spending to get the type of service I am looking for.
Even my experiences in Dubai in March was nothing compared to the service of the Brazilians.
Can't wait for my next trip in September.
[QUOTE=Bearsi;2723144]... that serves the best food Italy has to offer and what it's known famous for!....[/QUOTE]To be fair in your comparison, the question is do you pay local price or gringo price? Or do you consider Scandallo similar to McDonald as that is the subject in OP's post
I am not saying OP is correct in regard to price but he was posting what local price is.
[QUOTE=JZeleznik;2723103]L... which is a shame because I'm very much in the mood for a strip club. I might make my way to Cocodrilo as it was apparently once a hotspot and I'm curious, though I have an early appointment so 50/50 on that...[/QUOTE]Cocodrilo is much cheaper. It is like Connection relative to Scandallo (D'Lirio). Just keep in mind that it doesn't really get going until after 12 when upstairs open. I was in BA not that long ago.
If there is such a thing, LOL.
The online rate for a good looking girl usually starts at 600 BRL. Based on that, it is fair from my view to think an attractive girl can ask for 600 BRL in Scandallo. In addition to that, a girl has to pay a fee to get in the club, so 800 BRL is not an unreasonable price to pay for a hot girl. That was the exact price one of the hottest girls I met in Scandallo charged online and in the club. I posted her picture before and I saw her go to the room multiple times with limited service. I remember her name is Naomi.
Logically speaking, when someone tells me that I can see 20 or 30 9's and 10's on the right nights, I think I would at least see a few when I went on the wrong nights. But I didn't, that tells me the poster has a different taste than me, it's a YMMV situation. If someone tells me a girl is 10, I am unlikely to argue with him, but it helps me interpret what the person is saying.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2723269]To be fair in your comparison, the question is do you pay local price or gringo price? Or do you consider Scandallo similar to McDonald as that is the subject in OP's post
I am not saying OP is correct in regard to price but he was posting what local price is.[/QUOTE]It varies of course!
Scandallo and other boates where you have to negotiate can range from 500-1000 1 HR.
You can easily get girls all around SP or Brazil for that matter at 500 or less.
I actually like the clinicas in the daytime since they can be had for 250 or so.
I've paid girls 500 in scandallo and online girls.
I've paid some 800.
I've paid some girls at 300.
I've done pernoites at 1000.
There really is no set price.
That's sort of the point With my point about the restaurants. You can go around 5 different ones and they'll each have varying prices from $ to $$$$
With OP stating that the non sucker price is 500 or less is again equating to McDonald's because it ain't the worst thing in the world, it's consistent and the value is usually the best wherever you go but it ain't going to knock your socks.
I just can't fathom the idea that I see a girl that looks like a porn star / model / actress that I would love to bang and turn her away because she wanted 700 instead of 500.
Like LOL no sorry I'm not paying gringo prices.
I only paid for my round trip ticket that took 9 hours plus my hotel room for X amount of days plus my food and Uber costs but I'm not paying an extra 200 reais more because otherwise local Brazilians and people online will think I'm a sucker.
I thought the whole point of coming to Brazil is to bang beautiful girls of our dreams that also provide the best service there is.
I understand locals not wanting to pay more than a certain amount.
They make less and know the hidden gems and can easily make do.
OP is not a local nor is he living in Brazil like vagabundo so shackling himself to local prices doesn't make sense.
Just to put it in perspective.
In Las Vegas there are brothels that charge clients $5000-10000 USD for a few hours in their themed rooms with a fetish girl all covered.
In SP you can easily find a nympho that will let you BBFSCIP in one of the many themes love motels and let you record it for like 1000-2000 brl all in which is like $200-400 USD.
You're already saving money by being in Brazil.
You're at the peak of value meets quality.
Live at little for goodness sake's.
To each their own but capping yourself at 500 is just bewildering when you have come all this way.
You don't have to pay a high amount but for all the new guys just be flexible.
It's your time, your money, your dick and your life to live and you only get one.
[QUOTE=TheCane;2722382]...[b]The clinicas are you![/b] Because you see, just like cars (Buicks, BMWs, and Bentleys), the value of all women is not the same for each and every one of them. You may not think it's worth it to pay that kind of money for that "expensive ride". But, plenty of other people do....[/QUOTE]The Cane, I agree with your view on beauty. But I don't completely agree with your analogies or I don't really understand it as intended, including the airline one. LOL. I am borrowing your car analogy to strike the point about Bearsi's response to my post.
Do all girls working in Scandallo automatically become BMW? I think not.
Years ago I was in the freelancer spot Thermae in Bangkok. Almost all girls charged the same price. I asked a girl that didn't attract any interest which would she choose if Toyota and BWM were the same price?
I have decided that next time I visit Scandallo, I am going to get a BWM if I can find one. I absolutely do not plan to get a Corolla from that place. I am not going to eat a Big Mac in Scandallo.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2723316]The Cane, I agree with your view on beauty. But I don't completely agree with your analogies or I don't really understand it as intended, including the airline one. LOL. I am borrowing your car analogy to strike the point about Bearsi's response to my post.[/QUOTE]Go back to what I called the original post. "Finding Value". People find and attach different values to the same things all the time, depending on all kind of factors, some of those unique and intrinsic to them alone as people. And sometimes through an experience, the value that they decide to assign to a particular good or service can change based on said experience (the point of me telling how my views on what I am willing to pay for air travel changed). Given this reality about life and living, the central point is that it makes zero sense to come in here and chide people about [B]ever[/B] paying more than 500 reals for the services of a prostitute in Brazil. It's like saying never pay this much for a car, this much for a haircut, this much for a house, this much for a meal, this much for a plane ticket, and blah, blah, blah. Maybe 500 reals max is the amount that Mr. Fewdie wants to attach to the services of a prostitute, but as you can see from the many responses his post has generated, other people have other ideas and considerations about how to value a prostitute's services, just as happens with any other type of good or service.
Mr. Fewdie has his max expenditure on a tute (and a house and a car and a haircut and whatever else I assume). And I (and indeed all of us) have mine. And his coming here criticizing what guys pay won't be changing anything. It never does, and usually only results in discord. That's why I rarely ever talk specifically about what I paid, unless it's based off of posted house prices and / or a well-established "going rate" that most seasoned mongers who partake in a specific market know about. Otherwise, I think it's best to just not bring up price. A monger is going to pay what a monger wants to pay based on how [B]he[/B] assigns value to that pussy. Look at a guy like Mr. Enternational. He will say things like "there is no going rate". Well sometimes that's just not true. It's just that he refuses to recognize what the going rate is LOL! But that's just him exercising his prerogative to assign value to the pussy how [B]he[/B] sees it, which is a right that ultimately belongs to each and every one of us as participants in the P4P hobby.
If they see you're a gringo in Asia and buying street food. They will jack up the price 2 x.
I'm just letting you know you can get price X. Keep paying that 2 x price. Keep exchanging your money at the airport that gives you only 80% of the market value compared to doing it elsewhere. I'm moving on. Aint nobody here got time to do deep critical analysis on this basic crap. Going to go get myself a big mac. (If you order it through the app, its $1. 5 cheaper).
Yeah, one can get a girl for 500-700 R / HR or 1200-1500 R / overnight, the rates many of us would find reasonable, the question is. Will she be top quality? I mean, in the top 5-10% range? 8. 5-10/10? Creme of the creme? I doubt it, and the resent post about 3000 R girl proves it. Girls in high demand ask much higher rates and won't budge. 500-700 R is an entry level rate that would get you a cute girl next door type, but what's the point of chasing average or just above average looking girls at a high end venue like Scandallo and pay all these extra fees which nobody takes into account? Makes no sense to me. If one has a coin and is ready to splurge on a smoking hot 9, Scandallo is the place to be. Price sensitive mongers would be much better off sticking to clinicas.
Random. Musing.
I did a return visit to Scandallo. This time I planned a budget ahead of time to live vigorously to take advantage of all the things scandals offer. Much better experience. I met again with the Meghan Markel type Garota from yesterday. She is a great definition of (IOP) illusion of Passion. Thanks to the poster for using that term. We had a fantastic time together. In Scandallo They don't carry the brand of whiskey I prefer to drink. I switch to vsop Hennessey. It was funny to see how a few garotas at first glance focused on the snifter glass with Hennesy drink. The masero made with great presentation pouring the drink. Which I didn't need nor cared about.
They shifted their gaze upward to see a Harvey Weinstein slob meets Jabba hut sipping down henny😜 kkkk. Thanks, Socrates for those examples.
I arrived early around 9. 30 pm on Friday. Yes as the other poster mentioned Thurs slightly more crowded.
I did a Threesome in a shower, three together soapy, slushing dirty fun while getting cleaned. I have not had a soapy shower threesome since Annies in Bangkok.
Surprisingly not an extensive whiskey list for a high-end joint. Switch to drinking Hennessy all night.
In the onsite room, no knock. I just paid more at the end for additional time. Legal.
YMMV at the apartment, my Garota was not a clock watcher. We had a fun time until we were done. Two or three hours did not matter to her. I paid the same one-hour price plus uber.
The next day we meet and introduce myself to her kid. She has been sharing family during our time together. We all went together to the nearby park. She dropped the kid at her mothers' place. Went to supermercado to shop for basic stuff needed for the apartment, water, fruits, and coffee. Went back to the apartment for an afternoon of more fun and dinner. IOP Illusion of passion is strong here. Damn. Thanks, Kib123 and Hobbying for the reference.
Felt more comfortable using the credit card toward the end of the trip.
Thanks a Fewdie for money, ATM, conversion info, and bank closure on weekend.
Wifi in Scandallo was solid.
The music band played oldies but goodies Americano songs. I sang out loud for the first time in years, knew them all. Scandallo knows their old man demographic. .
Duolingo Porto and street Spanish were enough to share long conversations, jokes, sexy stuff, and stupid stuff with garotas talking to uber drivers about the crazy traffic or slanging around with the barbershop fellas about who's next, debating music and chicas from Brazilian guy view, or chatting with a couple of the security dudes at Scandallo calling me família:-o.
Still figuring out internet porto slang, a less formal bunch of wassap text by garotas HJ, BJ, bjos, to.
During next the visit to Scandallo paid are $400 for a pretty Alicia Keys type I session earlier. Great vibes. I went for a repeat session. I asked if she could arrange a Duplo with one of her amigas in Scandallo. Sure enough Yes, bingo! Paid are $500 to her and $500 to amiga to do the duplo threesome I wanted. Damn bucket list getting checked off fast when Alicia keys and Meghan Markel sloppy sucking your nut and swallowing it all to great music.
Neither one asked for propina afterward or upsell. We all ate at the restaurant inside, with pricey good food.
Newbie observation. YMMV, the garotas and chicas I was with did not ask for propina after the session. It was a relief not to be asked all the time by everyone like Hong Kong in Tijuana.
I had a fun time in the garota's taxi. I did not remember the connection between the two or three spas. Thanks, guys for mentioning it earlier. They moved the garotas to other clinicas when we lost power for a few hours. I crowded in with four chicas traveling to a couple of different spas in Moema. Cool experience. I was drunk as hell. Sipping on my travel-size whiskey brand in the CLínicas. Still cannot find the brand by the shot glass.
Congrats to all those who spent a great time in Scandallo. Maybe that house needs a special thread on ISG already, together with a list of brazilian sex slang. I say house because brazilians call "casa" to boates and night clubs.
2013, when it was my first hit in Scandallo, I arrived around 8 pm during "Copa das Confederaçoes", here the pic of the banner right from Scandallos entrance (I guess there was someone asking about the soccer matches to be on Tvs of the house). I was doing the scounting in preparation of the 2014 World Cup tours. The manager himself, a fitness man in his early forties who looked like special forces soldier, showed me the entire house during a 10 minute walk. At that time, there were Chinese guys and few locals.
That night I picked a super hot GP, a 9 to my standards, who was building her house in Porto Alegre with her hard job in the house. So, there will be another post of the earnings of a Top GP in Brazil, a kind of model Brazilians call "beldade".
I've been to Scandallo maybe 4 to 6 more times since then, to get my sex therapy, in the Maracana of Sex.
There was this bar, that was early mentioned in Brazilian forums back in 2012-2014, it was the "Spy Bar" I also visited as part of my World Cup 2014 scouting. A very odd name indeed. The manager showed me the place as well, it was a nice place, smaller that Scandallo or Cafe Photo. At 20:30 when I arrived there was only one table with clients and 4 girls, all GPS of course. One was a very cute blonde in classy cocktail dress and a coat that covered her lovely big tits. As you can see it was in the Pinheiros area, see the slope of the street.
Unfortunately never heard from that bar again since 2016, because there were good reviews back then.
[QUOTE=Fewdie;2723340]Aint nobody here got time to do deep critical analysis on this basic crap. Going to go get myself a big mac. (If you order it through the app, its $1. 5 cheaper).[/QUOTE]That is fine with me. The more choices the better. I don't necessarily want a stunner at Scandallo every night. Some nights I might meet a sexy girl next door type at Scandallo and she is all I need or want. Some nights I might go crosstown to Bomboa or I might want to have some late-night cheap stuff at Casarao. And then there are days I when I wake up and want a clinica girl or two in the afternoon. It all depends. I like to mix things up that's all.
So, anyone who wants it can buy a Big Mac and fries happy meal in SP for a few BR. It is cheap and the customer knows what he is getting, and the burger is not bad once in a while, although I prefer the cheddar burger. Ha ha.
But, for a few more BR you can get a better burger, IMHO, at a local sit-down restaurant and wash it down with a beer. I think it is a better food, so I tend to eat at these kinds of restaurants a lot more than I do at McDonalds which is rare because when I am in a foreign country I like to eat local. Which reminds me I never eat just burgers or steaks in Brazil, There are all kinds of restaurants serving all kinds of cuisines at various price points.
But getting back to the meat metaphor, for double the money you can go a tier 1 steak house like Rodeio or Pobre Juans where an even better burger and fries will run you a whopping 220 BR. Wow! Scandallo prices. KKK. Actually, I prefer to order steaks at places like Rodeio. It's kind of like the BM who said he would rather pay up and go for the tier 1 stunners in Scandallo than do sexy tier 2 girl next door types. I say, up to you. SP is that kind of town.
All I am trying to say is that there is a boate for nearly everyone's tastes and budget. Be happy and follow your bliss.
Cool report / observations.
[QUOTE=Tochka;2723361]In Scandallo They don't carry the brand of whiskey I prefer to drink. I switch to vsop Hennessey. It was funny to see how a few garotas at first glance focused on the snifter glass with Hennesy drink. The masero made with great presentation pouring the drink. Which I didn't need nor cared about.
They shifted their gaze upward to see a Harvey Weinstein slob meets Jabba hut sipping down henny😜 kkkk. Thanks, Socrates for those examples.
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Surprisingly not an extensive whiskey list for a high-end joint. Switch to drinking Hennessy all night.
[/QUOTE]Seems most of the locals drink JW Blue for blended and Macallan for single malt, so that is the top shelf stuff they carry. They also carry a Macallan 25 or 30 yr rare cask there too, as I was drinking that with some cool Chileans from Santiago back in October.
I wish they had some Yamazaki 18 or 25, but that is hard to get anywhere. Even in Japan.
Glad your trip is going / went well!
[QUOTE=Nounce;2723269]To be fair in your comparison, the question is do you pay local price or gringo price? Or do you consider Scandallo similar to McDonald as that is the subject in OP's post
I am not saying OP is correct in regard to price but he was posting what local price is.[/QUOTE]What I disagree with the OP's post is that I don't think R400-500 is the normal price locals pay in Scandallo for 1 HR, at least for the good looking girls who works at night, especially during the busy weekdays.
I also take issue with OP's all-knowing, passive-aggressive and often times insulting tone and words of his posts. Sounds like a troll to me and I've learned to stop feeding him and put him on ignore already.
I've spoken to many local clients, usually at night, and they tell me it's more. Even the local forums have countless posts of locals paying around R400 to 500 at the lower end boates like Casarao.
I am sure under the right circumstance, a girl at Scandallo can be had for that low price range, but just don't expect that to happen with the hot girls during peak times.
I would say the low to high range most locals have paid at Scandallo for 1 HR can vary between 500 to 1500, but there all depends on all the other variables (hotness of the girl, how experienced the girl is, day and time, how you look and carry yourself, etc.).
If you want to close the deal with most of the hot girls when it's busy, R500 won't cut it 99% of the time.
A more realistic expectation for new visitors is in the R600 to 800 range.
Unless you look like LEO the actor or Justin (either of the singers) and is smooth as Danny Oceans.
[QUOTE=SocratesNY;2723517]What I disagree with the OP's post is that I don't think R400-500 is the normal price locals pay in Scandallo for 1 HR, at least for the good looking girls who works at night, especially during the busy weekdays.
I also take issue with OP's all-knowing, passive-aggressive and often times insulting tone and words of his posts. Sounds like a troll to me and I've learned to stop feeding him and put him on ignore already.
I've spoken to many local clients, usually at night, and they tell me it's more. Even the local forums have countless posts of locals paying around R400 to 500 at the lower end boates like Casarao.
I am sure under the right circumstance, a girl at Scandallo can be had for that low price range, but just don't expect that to happen with the hot girls during peak times.
I would say the low to high range most locals have paid at Scandallo for 1 HR can vary between 500 to 1500, but there all depends on all the other variables (hotness of the girl, how experienced the girl is, day and time, how you look and carry yourself, etc.).
If you want to close the deal with most of the hot girls when it's busy, R500 won't cut it 99% of the time.
A more realistic expectation for new visitors is in the R600 to 800 range.
Unless you look like LEO the actor or Justin (either of the singers) and is smooth as Danny Oceans.[/QUOTE]Would be great if Nounce could let us know how many times he visited Scandallo and more important when was his last time visiting. I have been there maybe 100 times in the past 2 years, do speak portuguese, here my observation:
The situation from 2019-2021 was: in-house: 500 BRL takeout: 1000 BRL.
However from mid / end 2021 suddenly there was a huge price increase (same time when entry was raised from 300 to 400 BRL) to in-house: 700-1000 BRL takeout 1200-1500 BRL with the Top10 girls on any night even trying in-house 1000-1500 BRK takeout: 2-3 k BRL.
This has nothing to do with gringo pricing as mostly brazilians are paying those prices. In my opinion the quality now is worse than before pandemic, demand for the few top girls therefore higher, while there are always enough customers willing to spend 2-3 k to take them out.
Offering them 400-500 for in-house, they would just laugh and walk away. People who always talk about gringo prices have no idea how SP boates work.
[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2723359]Yeah, one can get a girl for 500-700 R / HR or 1200-1500 R / overnight, the rates many of us would find reasonable, the question is. Will she be top quality? I mean, in the top 5-10% range? 8. 5-10/10? Creme of the creme? I doubt it, and the resent post about 3000 R girl proves it. Girls in high demand ask much higher rates and won't budge. 500-700 R is an entry level rate that would get you a cute girl next door type, but what's the point of chasing average or just above average looking girls at a high end venue like Scandallo and pay all these extra fees which nobody takes into account? Makes no sense to me. If one has a coin and is ready to splurge on a smoking hot 9, Scandallo is the place to be.[/QUOTE]My experience is that the "entry rate" I've paid (R600-800 for 1 HR and R1000 to R1500) is not a starting rate, but what 95+% of the girls that works there consider to be fair / acceptable to them. Of course there are a few exceptions to the rule. As with everything in life.
I usually do not go with any girl that is less than an 8. 5 for my taste, so maybe the girls that I don't find attractive would take less and also perform poorly or just "ok". And they are the starting point.
For my price range, almost all the girls I've taken are 8. 5 to 9. 5's in my book and performed as well as they look back in my hotel.
I do my due diligence in the interview phase to gauge how their personality is and what they might be like in the room. I usually get a good read on the girl when I chat them up and only go with girls I have good chemistry with. I've turned down many hot girls when I didn't "feel it" when we chat.
However, I've also learned that one man's trash is another man's treasure so I would say it isn't fair to say it's pointless to chase GNDs in a classy place like Scandallo. For all I know, I've been taking all the girls that most guy consider ugly, and saving everyone the trouble of having to see / interact them!
You also make a very valid point about other fees that guys should not overlook. Admission, high drink / food costs, room / exit fees, etc. It isn't just the girls compensation that matters.
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Price sensitive mongers would be much better off sticking to clinicas.[/QUOTE]Couldn't agree more. Except add the lower cost boates in there! I visit clinicas too, as there are lots of good looking, great performers to be had in clinicas.
[QUOTE=Safado007;2723529]Would be great if Nounce could let us know how many times he visited Scandallo and more important when was his last time visiting. [/QUOTE]Just to be clear, even though I was quoting Nounce, the OP I and others are referencing is Fewdie. I have much respect for Nounce's insight and logical questions / discussion here.
It is Fewdie, who many of us disagree with. His claim that local prices are currently so low and that anything more is overpaying gringo pricing is simply preposterous and ignorant.
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I have been there maybe 100 times in the past 2 years, do speak portuguese, here my observation:
The situation from 2019-2021 was: in-house: 500 BRL takeout: 1000 BRL.
However from mid / end 2021 suddenly there was a huge price increase (same time when entry was raised from 300 to 400 BRL) to in-house: 700-1000 BRL takeout 1200-1500 BRL with the Top10 girls on any night even trying in-house 1000-1500 BRK takeout: 2-3 k BRL.
This has nothing to do with gringo pricing as mostly brazilians are paying those prices. In my opinion the quality now is worse than before pandemic, demand for the few top girls therefore higher, while there are always enough customers willing to spend 2-3 k to take them out.
Offering them 400-500 for in-house, they would just laugh and walk away. [/QUOTE]Excellent insight and data points.
I've noticed an increase as well from early 2021 to late 2021 and another increase now in mid 2022 with global inflation rampant.
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People who always talk about gringo prices have no idea how SP boates work.[/QUOTE]People who think tourists / gringos set the market in Scandallo are misinformed to the point of being delusional. 95+% of the clients at Scandallo are affluent local Brazilians.
[QUOTE=Safado007;2723529]Would be great ....[/QUOTE]Barsi posted an analogy saying going to Italy to eat at McDonald. I said that is not what FewDie said. Because of that it is not a fair comparison. If I were going to make the same analogy, I would say going to DOM and wanting to pay McDonald price is a better analogy. Do you agree or not agree? Basically, I questioned what was written, I don't question the writers.
[QUOTE=Safado007;2723529]... if Nounce could let us know how many times he visited Scandallo and more important when was his last time visiting. ....[/QUOTE]So do you think my above observation will require my presence to be valid?
[QUOTE=Safado007;2723529]
The situation from 2019-2021 was: in-house: 500 BRL takeout: 1000 BRL.
However from mid / end 2021 suddenly there was a huge price increase (same time when entry was raised from 300 to 400 BRL) to in-house: 700-1000 BRL takeout 1200-1500 BRL with the Top10 girls on any night even trying in-house 1000-1500 BRK takeout: 2-3 k BRL.
This has nothing to do with gringo pricing as mostly brazilians are paying those prices. In my opinion the quality now is worse than before pandemic, demand for the few top girls therefore higher, while there are always enough customers willing to spend 2-3 k to take them out.
Offering them 400-500 for in-house, they would just laugh and walk away. People who always talk about gringo prices have no idea how SP boates work.[/QUOTE]This has been my similar experience in Scandallo in October / November 2021.500 to 600 br in-house for any girl. Then I saw a big price increase on my April / May 2022 trip: 700 to 800 br for tier 2 girls & 1000 to 1500 br for tier 1 girls all in-house. But the girls that I met in 2021 still settled for 500 br in-house in 2022. Their prices to me remained fied, however, KKK, my smart 2021 repeat girls convinced me of the advantages of taking them out of Scandallo for extended playtime. They were still 500 for in-house for me, but 900 br for a relaxed 3 to 4 hour ST at my hotel. And they came directly to my hotel cutting Scandallo out of our new arrangement. I liked this new arrangement with my favorite 2021 gals. The upsell was definitely worth it to me.
During the same time period prices also went up at Bomboa although not as much. In Oct / Nov 2021 all my Bomboa girls settled for 500 br. In April / May 2022 the price had risen to 600 to 700 br.
In April I met a very attractive blond in Bomboa. I gave her 700 br on our 1st in-house session. She is a looker and occasionally advertises on Club Model. After our first time together we both preferred to see each other at my hotel for extended 3 to 4 hour ST at the same price, 700 br. Cutting Bomboa out of our arrangement. I probably broke even on the total cost of our arrangement at my hotel after I add in the cost of a bottle of quality red wine and room service. Ha Ha. On our 5th and final night together, I agreed to having a bisexual lesbian 3 way with her and her sexy girlfriend. I gave 700 br to both girls + we drank a bottle and a half of quality red wine and had a room service dinner for 3. It was a great night. The girls really went at it.
But whatever the cost, I enjoy the benefits of having a girl you like for modified ST in my hotel room. It is a big plus to me.
[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2723359]...what's the point of chasing average or just above average looking girls at a high end venue like Scandallo and pay all these extra fees which nobody takes into account?...[/QUOTE]First you can answer the question yourself. Did you find it at Scandallo when you were there? If so, did you take her out?
This is my answer, I didn't find BMW at all during multiple visits with the presence of other ISGers. I think we all came to similar conclusion so I know it's not just me during that period. One time I stayed to make sure I checked everywhere and everyone until it is near the closing time to pick the best I can find which is a Honda Accord. She asked for 500 BRL which is a fair price for an Accord. LOL.
For me, the value of Scandallo stood out after I have visited all the boates that were open at that period of time. Relatively speaking, it has the best value but pick wisely
[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2723359]Yeah, one can get a girl for 500-700 R / HR or 1200-1500 R / overnight, the rates many of us would find reasonable, the question is. Will she be top quality? I mean, in the top 5-10% range? 8. 5-10/10? Creme of the creme? I doubt it, and the resent post about 3000 R girl proves it. Girls in high demand ask much higher rates and won't budge. 500-700 R is an entry level rate that would get you a cute girl next door type, but what's the point of chasing average or just above average looking girls at a high end venue like Scandallo and pay all these extra fees which nobody takes into account? Makes no sense to me. If one has a coin and is ready to splurge on a smoking hot 9, Scandallo is the place to be. Price sensitive mongers would be much better off sticking to clinicas.[/QUOTE]For the 5-10% range I paid 700 for 1 HR and 1500 for overnight the max I will pay and I tell them that and 95% accept. But I sometimes offer other small gifts which sweetings and closes the deal. I always go to Brasil bearing gifts LOL. Just think of stuff that is super expensive in Brazil or that they can't buy there.
You guys know almost all the girls have a side piece BF (ficando) and if you see some them you wonder wtf she is so hot and he's not. Most of time these guys don't have money and the girls are with them not for money since they make enough but because the way they make them feel.
Not speaking porto is a buzz kill if you can't communicate. 3 sentences later asking how much and you get a high quote you can't wonder oh I'm being robbed. If you tend to always get bloated prices, CBJ, non GFE maybe you should change your approach or the place you visit.
Like I said, if you want a GFE you have to treat them like a GF.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2723579]First you can answer the question yourself. Did you find it at Scandallo when you were there? If so, did you take her out?
This is my answer, I didn't find BMW at all during multiple visits with the presence of other ISGers. I think we all came to similar conclusion so I know it's not just me during that period. One time I stayed to make sure I checked everywhere and everyone until it is near the closing time to pick the best I can find which is a Honda Accord. She asked for 500 BRL which is a fair price for an Accord. LOL.
For me, the value of Scandallo stood out after I have visited all the boates that were open at that period of time. Relatively speaking, it has the best value but pick wisely[/QUOTE]
I definitely understand the allure of Scandallo. The ambiance, nice restaurant, etc. I get it.
You're paying for the fluff, and that's great. I go there once every couple of months.
I'm, however, more of a Casarao guy.
Lots of Ford Pintos there, LOL, however, I almost always find a BMW to my liking. Patience is the key there.
We all have our tastes, and it's all fun. One's individual happiness is what matters, whether it be in fancy Scandallo or a dive in Republica.
There are diamonds to be found at all venues.
As far as pricing goes, whether it be in Scandallo or Casarao, I personally, in conversation, tell the girl what I’m willing to pay.
Just like buying a car, I’m always willing to walk away.
Always friendly and nice, saying I understand she may be able to get more, she’s worth it, I wish her the best, etc, etc, lol.
Normally my price is accepted. I don’t extreme low ball, I just offer what I believe is fair.
I don’t get analytical about it. I don’t graph charts of what was paid in 2005 vs 2022, lol. I just offer what I’m willing to pay
Now for one, I’m in Brazil and Colombia quite frequently, actually tomorrow I’ll be in Chile (finally broke the code there, lol), and secondly, I speak pretty good portuguese, and I’m just naturally a friendly, easy to chat with type.
It’s different for a guy who travels infrequently all the way to Brazil.
I’m sure I’d be willing to up my price as well if that were the case.
I don’t blame anyone for that. It makes sense if you’re stuck frequently in Pussy Prison to not pass something up.
What another guy pays is his business. I don’t care.
We all put a value on what’s in front of us, and go from there.
[QUOTE=Balboa;2723639]... nice restaurant, etc. ...
[/QUOTE]One of the things I didn't like about Scandallo was the lousy food. The consumable part of the cover charge was a dead loss for me except for a cup of coffee which I needed to synergise with the Viagra. On my last visit front desk asked me "you still have 200 reais credit, why don't you get something before leaving?". I mumbled some excuse about not being hungry. Scandallo food was much worse than what I could get at any shopping mall food court.
What about the music? I don't remember any special music. No samba, no afro-brazilian rhythm to be sure. This is not just a Scandallo problem though. Good old Brazilian music (and dancing!) is not longer popular with Brazilian youth. A pity.
[QUOTE=XXL;2723644]Scandallo food was much worse than what I could get at any shopping mall food.[/QUOTE]I don't know what you ordered, but I strongly beg to differ. I know I've had a decent steak and some good sushi there. In no way is the food there at the same quality as your run of the mill mall food court offerings. And if you think it is, then I would like to see what malls you've been going to! I've always had much better quality than that to eat at Scandallo.
[QUOTE=XXL;2723644]One of the things I didn't like about Scandallo was the lousy food. The consumable part of the cover charge was a dead loss for me except for a cup of coffee which I needed to synergise with the Viagra. On my last visit front desk asked me "you still have 200 reais credit, why don't you get something before leaving?". I mumbled some excuse about not being hungry. Scandallo food was much worse than what I could get at any shopping mall food court.
What about the music? I don't remember any special music. No samba, no afro-brazilian rhythm to be sure. This is not just a Scandallo problem though. Good old Brazilian music (and dancing!) is not longer popular with Brazilian youth. A pity.[/QUOTE]Hmmm, I always enjoyed the meal there, and the music was ok for me as well, tho not the classic Brazillian as you said.
At least they don't play that Funk that drives me bats, LOL.
[QUOTE=XXL;2723644]One of the things I didn't like about Scandallo was the lousy food. The consumable part of the cover charge was a dead loss for me except for a cup of coffee which I needed to synergise with the Viagra. On my last visit front desk asked me "you still have 200 reais credit, why don't you get something before leaving?". I mumbled some excuse about not being hungry. Scandallo food was much worse than what I could get at any shopping mall food court..[/QUOTE]I totally disagree with your assessment. Food court? Please this just shows how much you are exaggerating. I found the Scandallo sushi roll, salmon shasimi, fila apertivo and the grilled Salmon to be very good.
Scandallo food and fine dining.
A fellow ISGer and one of the great wingmen, JimmyBoy, was of the opinion that the main value of going to Scandallo is to use the entrance fee to eat a good meal, and that the food was good.
Of course, JimmyBOy and I tend to concur that the best bang for the buck in SP is in the clinicas, like Miruna in Moema, where you can find real porn stars like Kamila Werneck (retired, though she still tramps around).
[URL]https://www.xvideos.com/models/kamilla-werneck[/URL]#_tabVideos.
For the price of. What, 250 reais or so, which is 50 US Dollars, which is the main reason to come to Brazil, to find those diamonds in the clinicas who are true porn star quality. Another porn star who worked at Miruna was Cindy Blueberry. JimmyBoy is also savvy enough to write reviews on the local forums to get the discounts, truly a use of one's time posting these reviews that yields real, tangible economic benefits!
I concur, but I prefer the Sushi at that great all you can eat place that the late, great, and still remembered Alto Bom Gosto, ABG, used to take new guests to SP to in the heart of Japan town. I will look up the name.
[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2723671]I totally disagree with your assessment. Food court? Please this just shows how much you are exaggerating. I found the Scandallo sushi roll, salmon shasimi, fila apertivo and the grilled Salmon to be very good.[/QUOTE]
I went to Prime Sunday afternoon around 1 pm, good lineup on wassap. Nice to know Murina and Prime are open Sunday with a solid lineup by checking before showing up.
Thanks for the protip guys and the gas station tip. Yup, they sell my brand of whiskey in travel size.
At the corner gas station. Bought a bunch to drink in the Clinicas.
At Prime Karen and Ariella were available. As previous forum posters highly recommended those garotas. I grabbed both for duplo. Got to jump on the good ones quickly. Prime seemed to be packed with five or six guys soon after opening on Sunday. Thanks, Nebulousity for the clinca strategy.
I session with both garotas earlier in the week. So knew them to be outstanding performers.
I wasn't let down. The duo was the best session of the trip.
They did porno-style mind-blowing, toe curling, never-ending deepthroat BJ forever.
Don't get the pricing at prime. The friendly cool older blonde charged me $350 for the hour with both of them. ? A fantastico deal. Karen the blonde and Ariella my coca cream work well together. Both have been referenced on gpgua and here. They sloppy shared the sucking, tongues licking at the same time over the dick. Kissing and tonguing each other. My dick solidly in between both mouths. Shared ice cream cone sucking. Even better, none of the wiping off the dick between slurping. Nope direct sloppy salvia and cum sharing on my dick without stopping for 45 min solid. I had them change positions a few times. By ten minutes into they took over, no instructions needed. They did their own rotating between rimming and deepthroat gagging same time. Took turns pushing each other heads down for deepthroat face f*cking.
Every space in the room, chairs, table, beds, twelve towels, six-bed spreads, the couch, floor, and window sill covered with a sloppy mess.
Haha. Kkkk. Rsrs. Top-level service.
At Prime, I still can't figure out the pricing. This time the loud friendly older lady only charged me are $350 for the hour with two garotas doing insane Duplo.
Scandallo random.
In my mind, I thought scandallo would be similar to Hong Kong in Tijuana for closing hours. Never really closed. I finished a session at 0500 am Sunday morning. We exit the room, whoah, the cashiers are gone, and the hallway lights are turned off. I used the phone light to walk around. The entire lobby was completely dark. No cashiers, no garotas, nada, no dozens of maseros, no half dozen security guys buzzing around. Doors slammed shut. The parking gate pulled down. The place was completely dark. Locked inside. The chica and I started wandering around the lobby using my phone light to eventually find a security guy to let us out. She had her car parked inside and drove off soon as the gates were activated. No goodbyes. Left my ass to find a uber. There ends my Scandallo trip. Thanks, JZelezlznik for the useful report and Alex Heyst.
[QUOTE=TheCane;2723337]Go back to what I called the original post. "Finding Value".[/QUOTE]Actually, I called if "Finding Worth". Same difference.
[QUOTE=SocratesNY;2722822]Thanks for all interesting tibits on BA. As a recent frequent traveler to SP, Buenos Aires has intrigued me.
BA has many pluses for me. It is a short hop away, is a large cosmopolitan city (lots of good restaurants, high end hotels and presumably decent infrastructure) and Spanish speaking (My Spanish is way better than my Porto).
However, the ISG Argentina forums is a graveyard for recent info. The confusing / more complex exchange rate system (having to use Western Union or street black market for best rates) is an annoying obstacle.
There also doesn't seem to be places like Scandallo in BA. I prefer to see the girl in person and interact with her to see if we have chemistry and whether my service requests can be met by her. That is why I usually avoid online incall / outcalls escorts and usually only use brothels / clinicas as a backup option. At least in those, you can see how a girl really looks in person before deciding.
I also don't have the time or flexibility to go the SB / Seeking route. I am usually only in the city for a few days at a time so it's not the best ROI for my limited time.
I know this is the SP forum, but due to the recent discussion by knowledgeable BA mongers, I want to ask:
If I was looking to make a 2-3 day side trip to BA from SP.
1) Are there hobbying venues like Scandallo, strip clubs, etc. That you can meet and chat up a girl before taking her back to your hotel?
2) Is the average service level comparable to Brazil?
3) is Western Union the best way to get a good rate on ARS? I presume I shouldn't send more than I expect to use, as it'll be very difficult to impossible to switch back to USD.
4) Are the nice 5 star hotels in BA girl friendly?
5) Do the nice hotels and restaurants accept ARS or only USD due to their inflation? I figure if I use a credit card and pay in either ARS or USD, I would be getting the shitty "official" rate.
6) With all the extra logistical obstacles BA has compared to SP, is it even worth it to go for a short trip, especially when the cost of hobbying there seems comparable.
It seems that if I decide to go, my main expectations should be to explore the city and eat at some nice restaurants, with hobbying playing second fiddle. Or am I wrong?
Feel free to DM me if it's more appropriate.[/QUOTE]I just returned from BA and a few other cities, was skiing with family so I cannot answer all.
1) Are there hobbying venues like Scandallo, strip clubs, etc. That you can meet and chat up a girl before taking her back to your hotel?
Not sure on current mongering spots, as I was with family. Lots of massage flyers everywhere. I did notice some BA providers in Massage Republic quote in pesos, today I saw some at 10,000-15,000 pesos. (10,000 today is about $32). In dollars they quoted $100 ish.
2) Is the average service level comparable to Brazil?
I have been there 5-6 times, half the sex workers are Brazilian and Uruguayan anyway. I have found Brazilians better providers.
3) is Western Union the best way to get a good rate on ARS? I presume I shouldn't send more than I expect to use, as it'll be very difficult to impossible to switch back to USD.
Bring cash, WU is a backup if you are uncomfortable bringing cash or need more than 10 K and are traveling alone.
You can definitely change back at a price 10%-15% less than you were given (less the peso market change as well). I found in BA use Calle Florida, it totally safe or there is a great spot in Puerto Madero that actually pays about 6 cents more. , it is on Hilton side of the water, on the pedestrian walk next to the water about 4-5 doors down from Central Market. Every decent sized city I went to had street money changers, though they offered close to 10% less than BA. Usually outside of BA there were 3-4 people, seemed to be a Cambio Mafia with price fixing. One good tip is to insist on 1,000 peso notes, they will stick you with 200 and 500 if you let them. Only bring perfect $100 bills, preferably with a blue stripe. Imperfect bills with small imoerfections will either not be accepted or will be offered much less.
4) Are the nice 5 star hotels in BA girl friendly?
I always stay at either Hilton or Alvear Palace and have never had issues. The Hilton is especially good as the elevators do not require a key to access.
5) Do the nice hotels and restaurants accept ARS or only USD due to their inflation? I figure if I use a credit card and pay in either ARS or USD, I would be getting the shitty "official" rate.
I would advise.
Never prepay your hotel in dollars. Either reserve now pay later on [URL]Booking.com[/URL] or another OTA or book through a major hotel chains website, only putting up your card as a guarantee. I paid every hotel in Pesos, I think you pay a local tax but the discount is about 50%. AirBnB and VRBO properties only want to be paid via international credit card in foreign currency as the money likely never touches an Argentine bank.
Pay every restaurant in pesos.
For domestic air travel, you can pay Aerolineas Argentinas in pesos but they are more expensive than the more popular "ULCCs" who only sell online. I was able to make a deal with a Calle Florida exchange office to use his local debit card for flights and meet him halfway between the official rate and the blue rate. I wish I had time to figure out transatlantic 1st Class at a 50% discount.
For Uber switch to cash for the trip.
6) With all the extra logistical obstacles BA has compared to SP, is it even worth it to go for a short trip, especially when the cost of hobbying there seems comparable.
Financially it is a great time to go, but the BA weather is close to freezing.
People here seems to think that Scandallo is "heaven" or something and thinks it has sooooo many beautiful people. The false / enhanced illusion is coming from the high quality sound of the music, ambient / lighting, good restaurant, the elegant clothings, and their makeup. Take all of that away and once you push everyone of them in to a swimming pool, they will be coming up looking like everyone else you see in the bottom half of the country which is where the majority of them came from. Scandallo is fun but overexagerated like eating that Big Mac and fries for the first time.
[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2723671]I totally disagree with your assessment. Food court? Please this just shows how much you are exaggerating. I found the Scandallo sushi roll, salmon shasimi, fila apertivo and the grilled Salmon to be very good.[/QUOTE]I also found the food at Scandallo to be very good, at least what I ordered.
I usually order some fritters to snack or the filet mignon when I want a real meal. Their caldo capeletti is also a good option for hot comfort food.
The sushi is high quality, almost similar to Nakka. I don't know which all you can eat Sushi place Vagabundo1 is referring to, but a local Asian girl who is a big foodie took me to this place in Libertade and it was very good:
[URL]http://www.tankarestaurante.com.br/[/URL]
On a final note, you can also use your consumption on tobacco products (cigarettes, cigars or e-cigarettes / vape).
[QUOTE=Tochka;2723697]
At Prime, I still can't figure out the pricing. This time the loud friendly older lady only charged me are $350 for the hour with two garotas doing insane Duplo.
[/QUOTE]You got the "Four hands" special. A few clinicas offer it. Not sure if it's all the time or only on days they advertise it.
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Scandallo random.
In my mind, I thought scandallo would be similar to Hong Kong in Tijuana for closing hours. Never really closed. I finished a session at 0500 am Sunday morning. We exit the room, whoah, the cashiers are gone, and the hallway lights are turned off. I used the phone light to walk around. The entire lobby was completely dark. No cashiers, no garotas, nada, no dozens of maseros, no half dozen security guys buzzing around. Doors slammed shut. The parking gate pulled down. The place was completely dark. Locked inside. The chica and I started wandering around the lobby using my phone light to eventually find a security guy to let us out. She had her car parked inside and drove off soon as the gates were activated. No goodbyes. Left my ass to find a uber. There ends my Scandallo trip. Thanks, JZelezlznik for the useful report and Alex Heyst.[/QUOTE]Wow. Sems like they forgot about you guys! Like stories of people locked in Walmart because they took a long shit in the bathroom and found the place all shuttered when they came out.
Did you not have to pay for the room or your admission / consumption that night? Or did they find someone to settle your bill?
I had a few FKK sessions that ended when the club was closing. But it was the opposite. The club went from a semi dark environment to. All the lights being on. And I felt blinded!
Just trying to apply some more logic to the pricing strategy. LOL.
[QUOTE=Safado007;2723529]...here my observation:
The situation from 2019-2021 was: in-house: 500 BRL takeout: 1000 BRL.
...[/QUOTE]So what changed? One change is the club has been remodeled. Similar event occurred at La Isla in Medellin, that the cover is increased by 400% and the drink prices have increased significantly. Both places have no shortage of customers, so the price is not likely to come down. BTW, I have been to both places after remodel.
[QUOTE=Safado007;2723529]...However from mid / end 2021 suddenly there was a huge price increase (same time when entry was raised from 300 to 400 BRL) to in-house: 700-1000 BRL takeout 1200-1500 BRL with the Top10 girls on any night even trying in-house 1000-1500 BRK takeout: 2-3 k BRL.
...[/QUOTE]Session in La Isla is fixed price. How does a better looking girl make more money? One short answer is she will have more working opportunities at a given night. Her income is proportional to the number of sessions she has.
One possibility in the change of pricing structure, is some girl decided that they can/want to get the same amount of money with less work / sex. And that is fueled by mongers who want exclusive access. Another ISGer reminded me that sharing is cheaper that was the old way he is used to.
So when I take the above into consideration, FewDie's post have some truth to it. I am not saying I agree with everything he said.
If you have been to some of the KTVs in Asia, especially the high end ones. There is a sharing price that a girl will visit different tables/rooms for a fixed amount of time then move on. This is cheaper. If one decides to keep a girl and not allow the girl to be shared with others, then one has to pay a premium, and commits to a minimum number of hours regardless the amount of time you spent there.
[QUOTE=Safado007;2723529]...This has nothing to do with gringo pricing as mostly brazilians are paying those prices....[/QUOTE]Although there are girls telling me some locals pay that and I believe it but I won't genialize it. I think people are responding negatively to FewDie's generalization in his posts.
[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2723359] ... Girls in high demand ask much higher rates and won't budge. 500-700 R is an entry level rate that would get you a cute girl next door type, but what's the point of chasing average or just above average looking girls at a high end venue like Scandallo and pay all these extra fees which nobody takes into account? Makes no sense to me... [/QUOTE]Fair ask, fair question. With all these analogies to food or cars, it's become something of a enigma as to what BMs are really trying to say.
Is it fair to say, you want to find "model/high-end" type women at Scandallo (a place befitting of such beauties), in abundance (meaning wayyyyy less avg. Girls) and at a reasonable price, that don't disappoint/perform well. (I think you mentioned this before). My apologies if I got any or all the above wrong.
Hmmm.... It may appear at a glance that Scandallo may not be your ideal place to find what your looking for and there are no guarantees that paying higher prices translates to performing well. (ie. Lot of starfishes to be found at higher prices, as well as at lower prices).
[B]NOTE: [/B] Very nice Scandallo Truman's Triangle though: [B]1.[/B] Model/high-end girls, [B]2.[/B] In abundance/less avg. Girls and [B]3.[/B]Reasonable price/preform well.
What I did find of interest, in your post, was the dismissal of average looking girls (well dismissal may not be the right word), perhaps more of a brushoff. But, for a guy like me (nice body 1st), that naturally works in my favour, as "average looking" girls with great bodies and a good attitude is right up my ally.
The other thought or point of interest, is that these "average looking" girls provide a vital and necessary service, that is often overlooked. For me at any rate, I see them in an entirely different light.
Things to consider if she's an "Avg. Looking girl":
[LIST] Consider her akin to a fluffer at a porn shoot (...kkkk!)[/LIST][LIST] Great confidence builder, if you lack "whatever", when around Brazilian women[/LIST][LIST] Great practice material for when you step up to the big-stage with those high-end "model" types[/LIST][LIST] Consider working on those negotiating skills[/LIST][LIST] Avg. girls with more attitude and personality then looks, are absolute fun to past the time, if you wish to chill for a while and shot the shit[/LIST][LIST] "Casual chilling" with Avg. girls (naturally with a nice body and a good attitude), while waiting for something better, in my experience, has numerous times, ended up being a fantastic time, in and out of bed.[/LIST][LIST] IMHO I've found them very eager to please, with a more service oriented attitude.[/LIST]
Just something to consider (given you have the time and/or willingness), when you're not quite seeing what you want in a place like Scandallo. But to each their own.
[QUOTE=Balboa;2723639] ... We all have our tastes, and it's all fun. One's individual happiness is what matters, whether it be in fancy Scandallo or a dive in Republica.
There are diamonds to be found at all venues. ... [/QUOTE]My sentiments exactly.
[QUOTE=SocratesNY;2723900]You got the "Four hands" special. A few clinicas offer it. Not sure if it's all the time or only on days they advertise it.[/QUOTE]The four hands clinica special is usually much less than the double the single girl price. Prime previously advertised On WhatsApp a 300 r four hands deal, which was crazy, considering the 1 hour 1 girl price was 250 r. I think it's now 350 r everyday which is still a deal. Be careful which girls you pick, some girls work better with other girls. Jade with Karen I heard was a good combo, or Jade with any other girl! I have had good Duo success with picking one or both girls who I previously had great sessions and know very well. Though not expect too much interactions between the girls.
Unfortunately this year the Sao Paulo Auto Salon will not take place during the F1 Interlagos week. So, this screenshot story from videos is a great reminder of those days.
I saw this lovely brunette promo model in the event, she was one that gave me her WhatsApp number with no much hesitation, she wasn't my favorite TBH until I saw her pics on her insta. Dam! She was a true bomb! Incredible butt as you can see. Then I proposed her to shoot a few pics in my Pinheiros app where I set a small studio with flashes and white background. She was just incredible, a round peach butt the way I like them. The first shoot it was just sexy bikini lingerie pics. She was very fun an relaxed, enjoyed excersing her beauty, posing and bending over and let me do extreme close ups to her ass, her natural firm ass and her very very well made fake tits. Oh god, my dick ended super hard, of course she noticed it under my pants.
That very night, I proposed her a second shoot this time in a motel, so my proposal would be easy to understand. She agreed and agreed US $300 after having asked 400 dollars. We met in a cafe around 6 pm, we talked for a while and then we headed to a motel. A motel she already knew!! LOL when we walked up the stairs, I saw her great ass in those yoga pants, I was like in heaven, such and incredible bikini babe. She closed the bathroom and dressed with a tiny black bikini, then she showed in the room with that bathrobe, then the shooting started. She finally asked me to leave my camera when I started to oil her body and ass, then everything rolled the way it should be. We ended up in the jacuzzi and then fucking on the carpet. Very strong unorthodox sex, the way I like it.
You can see her lips have like a bubble to the right side, and of course, the tattoo of some sort of plant few inches from her right hip, so it's the same girl the entire footage.
It took time, yes, almost two weeks patient since I met her at the event, and around US $750 for the two sessions for her. More expensive than two session with a Top escort in SP? Maybe, but the experience was simply unforgettable.
I wanted my dick inside that ass. And I know about asses.
If people are just looking for model / high end / elite girls or whatever you want to call them, the numbers will range from zero to about 3 a night there. Better to check online ads and those sites where there are more. Save yourself some time instead of going through everything at Scandallo and might not even see any and leave disappointed.
Following up on my plan to try Scandallo as it was meant to be experienced, I showed up just before 7 pm on Thursday night (which various girls have said to be the most popular). While walking around the club, I finally saw a girl which triggered my "go" instinct. We had a good conversation, then went up for my first room experience at the club. Overall it was ok. She was hot by my standards (maybe 8. 5) but the experience itself was methodical and clinical mostly despite the good conversation and initial chemistry. We exchanged contact information.
I had a nice chat with a guy from Miami on a business trip (the social highlight of the evening). And then found the girl I sessioned with 3 x last week (the cold, hot one). She was mildly warmer as my Portuguese improved and I decided to take her up the rooms as well because I wanted another go before going home. Again, hot, but methodical and clinical. I actually asked why she was cold, and she said that's just her way while working and she wouldn't be with her boyfriend (when she has one). Respectable choice, albeit unprofessional.
What's the conclusion? Unless you've had a few drinks or the girl is not hot, the hot ones seem to be mediocre experiences. I did not leave particularly satisfied. I suspect the guys who rave about the performance here are either drinking or not going after the hot girls.
Another notable observation is that after coming down around 10:30-11 pm, the club had changed completely. People were no longer outside drinking and smoking, but inside at the party area. There were also way more women, including some very hot (but blonde) ones with smoking bodies. Maybe these are the girls who actually provide good service and are hot? Will come back on a later day to test this theory out.
Encouraged by my good conversation with the first girl, I invited her to my hotel on Friday. This was the best conversation and best sex so far with a Scandallo girl. I decided to book her for the next two days, which turned out to be a big mistake. While we hit up some good restaurants on Saturday, she became progressively more bored (using Instagram more often) and put less effort into sex or conversation. Maybe I'm getting older but it seems Instagram is a plague on a person's personality, either making them utterly bored with normal conversations or care about meaningless crap memes.
It didn't matter that I was interested in her life, trying to understand what she wanted and offering what ideas I had that might help. She was dead bored (20 years old) and I ended up letting her go early on Sunday morning after she decided she didn't like kissing. I also made the rookie mistake of paying her for both days on Sunday morning (before the second day was over). Both the girls I saw at Scandallo, despite being hot, generally failed to put in much effort to the experience. It reminded me of the kids who didn't like being at school, just showing up and getting by with as little effort as possible. Probably the mindset of a lot of escorts.
I ended up scheduling with a girl from a sugar dating site, and she flaked. Then I scheduled a second girl from the same site, and she was completely different from her pictures. Great conversation (the best of any girl) but she was quite average and enthusiasm never makes up for that (for me). Basically the rest of the day was a disaster However, I'm doing a new thing now where I tell them to send me a 5-10 second video where they say Hi to me using my name. I'm hoping this will weed out some of the fake accounts and fake pictures. We'll see. I've tried to do video calls before but these turn into as much of a production to schedule as the date itself to the point where it's not practical.
I have another sugar date scheduled for tomorrow and likely one for Wednesday. If these don't work out, I'll use Scandallo as a backup (or Bomboa, which is now walking distance from my Airbnb). Sampa continues to provide so many options, it's hard not to love it here.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2723572]Barsi posted an analogy saying going to Italy to eat at McDonald. I said that is not what FewDie said. Because of that it is not a fair comparison. If I were going to make the same analogy, I would say going to DOM and wanting to pay McDonald price is a better analogy. Do you agree or not agree? Basically, I questioned what was written, I don't question the writers[/QUOTE]I feel like Jesus H Christ having to explain my analogies like when he had to explain his parables to his own people.
FewD said he wasn't talking about only Scandallo and SP. He was talking about Brazil as a whole and so was I. He said the locals pay 500 and anything over that is gringo prices. I said you really limit yourself with that kind of self imposed budget.
My comparisons of restaurants in Italy=girls in Brazil. There are many to choose from and all come at different prices. Some start at $ and go to $$ Some guys think it's worth it and some don't. McDonald's=clinicas. Set prices and decent experience but limited and sometimes more than not same old options on the menu. You can spend 500 or so to have a clinica girl come spend the night with you but sometimes you find that these girls are just good for 1 HR worth of fun and not much else. You expand your horizon a bit and you find some girls who are very intelligent, funny and have real goals in their lives that you like spending time with, hell the sex is just a cherry on the top. Point is there are many different options and in the land of GFE and PSE you should definitely explore your options.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTgYOQ8XRdY&ab_channel=SenpaiKai[/URL]
This video of how michelin star chef cut their onions adds another layer to what I'm saying.
There is more attention to detail as little as cutting the onion to enhance your food as a whole and your experience. I would say that would equate to how a girl gives great BBBJ with eye contact and great technique.
There are more faster and easier way to cut the same onion but that could leave with a less enhanced experience like a girl with CBJ or very mechanical lazy technique.
It's still a BJ and gets the job done but it's the details that really makes or breaks it.
I'm not saying paying more gives you a better a experience as I think we all have gone to a high end restaurant and had a sub par experience like they microwaved your food (London has got to be the worst place for fine dining just FYI).
But more often than not you'll check the reviews and see 5 stars after 5 stars glowing reviews and see that they live up to a certain reputation for a reason.
Just like food some of us romanticize the other pleasures of life and the other side of man: women. Some guys just see a hole and any will do. Like a meal is just a daily calorie intake, sex is just another way to get off. Sometimes I like my steaks in a good looking joint in a high rise over looking the city with some nice piano in the background just sizzling. Sometimes I like my girls the same. I like a sense of adventure and a worth while story to tell. Like the one german blonde blue eye garota that was so smitten that she spent a whole week free of charge in rio, cooking and cleaning and taking care of all my needs. unforgettable and priceless.
As someone who has tried pretty much all the big boates, prives and termas in SP and Rio and online girls I can say there is lots of options and you should try as much as you can and see for yourself what's out there.
To each their own but just for the new guys, do what you please and don't limit your fun.
Most of us have already paid a girl 1200 BRL just to session in Scandallo albeit just not directly (400 Entrance, 500 girl fee, 230 Room, 70 Uber ride round trip back home).
God forbid we give them that money directly, it's not like they need it. They're just dumb working girls, everyone of them (NOTE: the writer would like to point out this is sarcasm because some folks are very dense).
That's my piece and I end it there.
Talk amongst yourselves.
FIN.
Great report. Kudos for scoring a Fisha Rosa. More talked about than accomplished. I posted it as a report of distinction.
[QUOTE=HiddenEye;2724109]Unfortunately this year the Sao Paulo Auto Salon will not take place during the F1 Interlagos week. So, this screenshot story from videos is a great reminder of those days.
I saw this lovely brunette promo model….
I wanted my dick inside that ass. And I know about asses.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Tochka;2723697] Snip.
At Prime, I still can't figure out the pricing. This time the loud friendly older lady only charged me are $350 for the hour with two garotas doing insane Duplo.
Snip.[/QUOTE]When you do a dupla, they only add the second girl's fee to the one girl rate, thus 250 for one girl and 350 for two girls.
[QUOTE=Bearsi;2724171]I feel like Jesus H. Christ having to explain my analogies like when he had to explain his parables to his own people.[/QUOTE]I'll tell you what. I'm not dying on no cross to save mongerdom! I know that much! LOLOLOL!
[QUOTE=Bearsi;2724171]I feel like Jesus H Christ having to explain my analogies like when he had to explain his parables to his own people.[/QUOTE]"Look, you've got it all wrong! You don't need to follow me! You don't need to follow anybody! You've got to think for.
Yourselves! You're all individuals!
"You're all different!
"You all got to work it out for yourselves!
(sorry, but I was come over with a bit of film nostalgia by your reference to Jesus having to explain everything to the masses.).
[QUOTE=Bearsi;2724171]I feel like Jesus H Christ having to explain my analogies like when he had to explain his parables to his own people.....[/QUOTE]Is this the post that started all this?
[QUOTE=Fewdie;2722355]Guys guys comon. Scandallo. 400 or 500 MAX!! If they don't agree and wants something over then they probably don't like you. If they don't like you then its not worth it. Even if the dollar is 10 reais. We can can get so much for 400-500.[/QUOTE]I thought I understood what you are saying metaphorically. Now I don't really know what you are trying to say with the McDonald's example or what else. But your latest reply makes me think what you originally (earlier post) are saying is this. Assume I am a foodie, I should choose the expensive Brazilin food over cheap Brazilian food because the cheap food is not as good as expensive food?
The reason I replace McDocnald's with Brazilin food is because I don't come to Brazil for US fast food.
You associate McDocnald's with Clinica in your latest post.
[QUOTE=Bearsi;2724171]...[b]Donald's=clinicas[/b]....[/QUOTE]
This also change my understanding of your original post.
[QUOTE=Bearsi;2723144]
It's like going to Italy and [b]saving money[/b] by eating at McDonald's since it's the most economical thing around instead of he multiple local delicious restaurants that serves the best food Italy has to offer and what it's known famous for!
[/QUOTE]
Anyone here taken a Scandallo girl for a weekend trip to Santos? Is 3000 BRL a good price for the weekend?
Thanks for the quote HarvestBoi. It took time, patient and money yeah, but the reward was an ass to remember.
I have the luck to have scored great model type ficha rosas, from Brazil and abroad. When my schedule doesn't allow me at least an entire week to travel, I book a model and bring her to my city.
Sometimes girls just want to travel to know newer places and experiences. Money is just a part of negotiation. Am I in the category of sugar daddy? I guess not, no romance at all with them. If everything goes well, she will recommend her friends for sure.
My personal voyage is erotics, beauty, sex and visuals. It's an experience to book the model's hotel, tickets, lovel clothes, dinner, and stuff. But you also have to take care when her menstruation comes, among many other things. Everything has its pros an cons. But that is what contracts are made for.
If Mahoma can't go to the mountain, the mountain comes to Mahoma. Like the old saying.
[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2724186]Great report. Kudos for scoring a Fisha Rosa. More talked about than accomplished. I posted it as a report of distinction.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=TheCane;2724272]I'll tell you what. I'm not dying on no cross to save mongerdom! I know that much! LOLOLOL![/QUOTE]Do you know Surfer over in Medellin thread? He flies business class but only mongers in El Centro. The last time I know someone bought first class or business class ticket is USD6000 in person at a counter. Will you pay that amount out of your pocket to fly? If you say it is absolutely [b]Yes[/b] here, I will believe you. The reason I ask this because it shows the problem with what I perceive as generalization which is a mistake.
The reason I replied because I think there is unfairness in the analogy. I took the analogy as saying FewDie (who I assume is from US) is in Brazil to get US food that he can already get in US. If you are going to punish the guilty, at least get the offense right. This applies to me too.
My post was criticized and was asked to announce my recent presence in Brazil to validate my post. I don't even go down that route to make others look bad. LOLOLOL!
[QUOTE=Fewdie;2722355]Guys guys comon. Scandallo. 400 or 500 MAX!! ...[/QUOTE]If you can choose [B]any girl[/B] you want in Brazil, is there a girl you will pay 1500 BRL/hr for?
[QUOTE=Nounce;2724345]Do you know Surfer over in Medellin thread. He flies business class but only mongers in El Centro? The last time I know someone bought first class or business class ticket is USD6000 in person at a counter. Will you pay that amount out of your pocket to fly? If you say it is absolutely [b]Yes[/b] here, I will believe you. The reason I ask this because it shows the problem with what I perceive as generalization which is a mistake.
The reason I replied because I think there is unfairness in the analogy. I took the analogy as saying FewDie (who I assume is from US) is in Brazil to get US food that he can already get in US. If you are going to punish the guilty, at least get the offense right. This applies to me too.[/QUOTE]Again, you seem to be missing my point there, which was a narrow one. Let me say it another way. That part of what I wrote was really only mainly [B]an aside[/B] about how the value that people place on a good or service can change because of an experience they had. And that's it. You seem to keep wanting to make it about something more than that. It's not. But to answer your question, yes! As long as I can afford to pay for First Class of Business Class and still monger where I want to for as much and as long as I want to then yes. I will pay that kind of money out of my own pocket. I can, I have, and I will again in the future. But you won't see me buying at the counter though! I typically plan my travel well in advance and score good deals. There are so many good deals out there if you plan and know what you're doing (and can be flexible)! I still can't believe some of the airfare deals I've scored landing me in First Class / Business Class seats!
But even still to be totally transparent, I don't have to do that (pay with cash) every single time though because I've traveled a lot and I have a ton of miles as well (so regarding the miles I guess you can say I paid indirectly for First Class by paying to fly a lot in the first place resulting in all of those miles). Miles which I use strategically and judiciously. Sometimes I'm going to pay with cash, and sometimes I'm going to dip into my mileage balances and pay with one of those. But generally speaking yes, it's worth it to me to pay that money as long as I can afford to. And as I said. I can, I have, and I will. It wasn't always that way believe me! Like I said once before, I thought I would be stuck in back in "cattle class" forever. However, in the last near 7 years I managed to "break out" and saw my net worth explode!. There are guys here of all kinds of backgrounds and of varying economic means. Some have the coin to fly First / Business Class [B]and[/B] monger in the "Scandallos" of the world if they wish, besides going to only the lower cost destinations like "El Centro" in Medellin or "Santa Fe" in Bogota (which is also a good idea as a part of one's overall trip plan).
So, let us not assume nor generalize about that either (the level of economic means possessed by the members of this board). There are def some here who have more than me no question. I'd say, based on my years of reading here, that I'm probably in the upper middle of the range. It's not just what you've earned that matters either. Just as important is what you've managed to keep!
[QUOTE=Nounce;2724365]If you can choose [B]any girl[/B] you want in Brazil, is there a girl you will pay 1500 BRL/hr for?[/QUOTE]That's rather a silly question. Tiazinha in her prime immediately comes to mind.
For a solid 10 in beauty and bed, it's a good price. Maybe 2500 plus expenses, like transportation, meals and lodging.
[QUOTE=NapataJohn;2724338]Anyone here taken a Scandallo girl for a weekend trip to Santos? Is 3000 BRL a good price for the weekend?[/QUOTE]
Cane, I get what you are saying.
It is all about what one wants limited only by what one can afford. I estimate that I am likely in the upper middle to upper range of ISG'ers financially speaking too. But that does not mean I have unlimited finances. I wish I did, but I don't. So, what do I want to do with my spending money? Well, in order of importance to me:
#1. I like to travel 3 to 4 months per year and punt as often as I like (usually 1 or 2 times a day) when I am in one of my favorite countries.
#2. I want to shag the prettiest, sexiest girls available. I don't care how much they cost as long as what they are asking me is in the ballpark price range for the venue and quality of girl I am fooling around with. That means I will pay market price for a Scandallo tier 1 girl anytime I want a tier 1 Scandallo girl and I will pay market price for a clinica girl anytime I want a clinica girl and I will do any girl in between if I want her.
#3. Given I have adequate cash set aside for #1 and #2 (my highest priorities), I prefer to stay in 5* hotels and then 4* hotels. I have various hotel CC's and Gold and Platinum memberships with Marriott, Hyatt, Hilton, so I get a lot of breaks on price with these boys like free point nights and free voucher nights plus these chains usually upgrade my reservation upon check-in to Excecutive class rooms and throw in free breakfasts. For example, I stayed at the SP Hyatt for 6 nights gratis in May and they upgraded my reservation to their 1 bedroom suite. It was a great deal.
On my upcoming 6 week SP trip this fall I have booked 6 nights at the Renaissance, 5 nights at the Hyatt, and 4 nights at the Hilton all on points. That still leaves a lot of nights unaccounted for and unfortunately, SP hotel rates have gone through the roof since I was last in town and I am not willing to shell out $200 to $300 per night on a 5 star hotel room. No problem, I have made reservations at some very nice 4 star hotels for around $100 per night. There is nothing wrong with my 4 stars. In fact, the rooms are quite nice and spacious and they have balconies which comes in handy on those nights when I am entertaining one of my sexy marijuanitas or she is entertaining me. KKK. Anyway, I think I made my point. I cut back on non-necessary expenses when I have to. If money were no object, I wouldn't care what the Renaissance or the Hyatt were charging and I would stay there.
#4. Plane travel: this is where my budget really hits the fan. I can't afford to do all that I want to do with #1, and #2 without being frugal on airfare. I like 1st class and business class especially on 24 hour flights to Thailand and the PI. But I can't afford everything on my list so no 1st class or business class for me. I do have miles with the big 3 US carriers and therefore I can usually fly coach for free except that extended legroom is a necessity for me, so I always pay cash for the upgrade. BTW, I hate flying and I especially hate flying coach, but flying 1st class would mean cutting back on #1 the length of my trips or # 2 the quality or quantity of my girls which is out of the question. Ha Ha.
So, that is how I prioritize my travel expenses based on my preferences and constrained only by my finances. I never spend more than I can afford to pay off on the due date. Nobody has exactly the same preferences or the same constraints. So, we all plan differently, but we all want to have the best time that we can afford.
No, the market and inflation are not even close to that level yet. 1 k for the whole day and if they don't agree, I can find someone else at the same quality / level / whatever or even better who would agree. Whether at Scandallo or other venues / clubs / bars / sites / etc. No I'm not talking about clinicas level and will never go to places like that. I don't get that "fear of missing out" because I know there are so many that would. Once the market moves up there then yes I would.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2724365]If you can choose [B]any girl[/B] you want in Brazil, is there a girl you will pay 1500 BRL/hr for?[/QUOTE]
All of the McDonalds in Brazil are a lot fancier, cleaner, and higher end than the ones in the US. I still would never pay 40 reais for a Big Mac when its 2. 5 dollars in the US. With 40 reais, you can get a really good healthy quality meal.
I think I see what went wrong with the one on Friday and the one that you mentioned is "cold". Its not your fault or hers. Its more of the language barrier because Brazilians express themselves and communicate different in portuguese than in English. They use a lot of slangs and expressions when they speak with lots of humor while in english it's more straight forward. Many of them can speak basic english but they are like a completely different person when its in English or in Portuguese. Similar to speaking with the french, we have to be FRENCH FLUENT to have a great conversation with them or else they arent that interested. Also know that 2 days is actually a very long time. Unless you have a lot of activities aligned, the conversation will get dry very quickly.
[QUOTE=TedFerguson;2724122]Following up on my plan to try Scandallo as it was meant to be experienced, I showed up just before 7 pm on Thursday night (which various girls have said to be the most popular). While walking around the club, I finally saw a girl which triggered my "go" instinct. We had a good conversation, then went up for my first room experience at the club. Overall it was ok. She was hot by my standards (maybe 8. 5) but the experience itself was methodical and clinical mostly despite the good conversation and initial chemistry. We exchanged contact information.
I had a nice chat with a guy from Miami on a business trip (the social highlight of the evening). And then found the girl I sessioned with 3 x last week (the cold, hot one). She was mildly warmer as my Portuguese improved and I decided to take her up the rooms as well because I wanted another go before going home. Again, hot, but methodical and clinical. I actually asked why she was cold, and she said that's just her way while working and she wouldn't be with her boyfriend (when she has one). Respectable choice, albeit unprofessional.
What's the conclusion? Unless you've had a few drinks or the girl is not hot, the hot ones seem to be mediocre experiences. I did not leave particularly satisfied. I suspect the guys who rave about the performance here are either drinking or not going after the hot girls.
Another notable observation is that after coming down around 10:30-11 pm, the club had changed completely. People were no longer outside drinking and smoking, but inside at the party area. There were also way more women, including some very hot (but blonde) ones with smoking bodies. Maybe these are the girls who actually provide good service and are hot? Will come back on a later day to test this theory out.
Encouraged by my good conversation with the first girl, I invited her to my hotel on Friday. This was the best conversation and best sex so far with a Scandallo girl. I decided to book her for the next two days, which turned out to be a big mistake. While we hit up some good restaurants on Saturday, she became progressively more bored (using Instagram more often) and put less effort into sex or conversation. Maybe I'm getting older but it seems Instagram is a plague on a person's personality, either making them utterly bored with normal conversations or care about meaningless crap memes.
It didn't matter that I was interested in her life, trying to understand what she wanted and offering what ideas I had that might help. She was dead bored (20 years old) and I ended up letting her go early on Sunday morning after she decided she didn't like kissing. I also made the rookie mistake of paying her for both days on Sunday morning (before the second day was over). Both the girls I saw at Scandallo, despite being hot, generally failed to put in much effort to the experience. It reminded me of the kids who didn't like being at school, just showing up and getting by with as little effort as possible. Probably the mindset of a lot of escorts.
I ended up scheduling with a girl from a sugar dating site, and she flaked. Then I scheduled a second girl from the same site, and she was completely different from her pictures. Great conversation (the best of any girl) but she was quite average and enthusiasm never makes up for that (for me). Basically the rest of the day was a disaster However, I'm doing a new thing now where I tell them to send me a 5-10 second video where they say Hi to me using my name. I'm hoping this will weed out some of the fake accounts and fake pictures. We'll see. I've tried to do video calls before but these turn into as much of a production to schedule as the date itself to the point where it's not practical.
I have another sugar date scheduled for tomorrow and likely one for Wednesday. If these don't work out, I'll use Scandallo as a backup (or Bomboa, which is now walking distance from my Airbnb). Sampa continues to provide so many options, it's hard not to love it here.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2724563]Cane, I get what you are saying.
It is all about what one wants limited only by what one can afford. I estimate that I am likely in the upper middle to upper range of ISG'ers financially speaking too. But that does not mean I have unlimited finances. I wish I did, but I don't. So, what do I want to do with my spending money? Well, in order of importance to me:
#1. I like to travel 3 to 4 months per year and punt as often as I like (usually 1 or 2 times a day) when I am in one of my favorite countries.
#2. I want to shag the prettiest, sexiest girls available. I don't care how much they cost as long as what they are asking me is in the ballpark price range for the venue and quality of girl I am fooling around with. That means I will pay market price for a Scandallo tier 1 girl anytime I want a tier 1 Scandallo girl and I will pay market price for a clinica girl anytime I want a clinica girl and I will do any girl in between if I want her.
#3. Given I have adequate cash set aside for #1 and #2 (my highest priorities), I prefer to stay in 5* hotels and then 4* hotels. I have various hotel CC's and Gold and Platinum memberships with Marriott, Hyatt, Hilton, so I get a lot of breaks on price with these boys like free point nights and free voucher nights plus these chains usually upgrade my reservation upon check-in to Excecutive class rooms and throw in free breakfasts. For example, I stayed at the SP Hyatt for 6 nights gratis in May and they upgraded my reservation to their 1 bedroom suite. It was a great deal.
On my upcoming 6 week SP trip this fall I have booked 6 nights at the Renaissance, 5 nights at the Hyatt, and 4 nights at the Hilton all on points. That still leaves a lot of nights unaccounted for and unfortunately, SP hotel rates have gone through the roof since I was last in town and I am not willing to shell out $200 to $300 per night on a 5 star hotel room. No problem, I have made reservations at some very nice 4 star hotels for around $100 per night. There is nothing wrong with my 4 stars. In fact, the rooms are quite nice and spacious and they have balconies which comes in handy on those nights when I am entertaining one of my sexy marijuanitas or she is entertaining me. KKK. Anyway, I think I made my point. I cut back on non-necessary expenses when I have to. If money were no object, I wouldn't care what the Renaissance or the Hyatt were charging and I would stay there.
#4. Plane travel: this is where my budget really hits the fan. I can't afford to do all that I want to do with #1, and #2 without being frugal on airfare. I like 1st class and business class especially on 24 hour flights to Thailand and the PI. But I can't afford everything on my list so no 1st class or business class for me. I do have miles with the big 3 US carriers and therefore I can usually fly coach for free except that extended legroom is a necessity for me, so I always pay cash for the upgrade. BTW, I hate flying and I especially hate flying coach, but flying 1st class would mean cutting back on #1 the length of my trips or # 2 the quality or quantity of my girls which is out of the question. Ha Ha.
So, that is how I prioritize my travel expenses based on my preferences and constrained only by my finances. I never spend more than I can afford to pay off on the due date. Nobody has exactly the same preferences or the same constraints. So, we all plan differently, but we all want to have the best time that we can afford.[/QUOTE]Nor do I have unlimited finances. So, we all have to make choices right? I'm not crazy about flying either, but we all have to do it, especially if we want to travel internationally. I try to be as comfortable as I can, especially on those long flights. So, I'm almost always angling for the class of air travel with the most space that I can get and afford. But where I try to cut back is on my hotels and other expenses associated with the trip. So, typically I will choose a 3-star hotel, and sometimes a 4. I never rent cars and always take the least expensive means of local transportation available for getting around as long as it's not too inconvenient (not going to inconvenience myself to save an insignificant sum). That means usually relying on public transportation and / or relatively inexpensive taxis depending on where I am. In fact, I try to make sure my hotel choices are strategically placed to allow easy access to trains, subway stations, buses, plentiful taxis, etc. (I really need to start using Uber more).
I like to enjoy an occasional nice meal here and there, but I mostly keep meals cheap and inexpensive. And all so that I can have more cash on hand to do the #2 (shag the prettiest girls per my personal tastes)! But, our posts show how we're all different, even if we might be of similar economic means. You like to go for the higher end hotels and cut back on the air travel costs. On the other hand, I cut back on the hotel quality and spend more on the air travel portion. And then I do all sorts of other things to control my costs (as you and most others do) so that I have the money I'll need for lots of anal sex with lots and lots of Brazilian girls who I find to be very attractive LOLOLOL! And remember. If I'm getting that cuzinha 70% of the time? I'm bashing that buceta 100% of the time! OK? Hahaha! Carry on!
[QUOTE=HiddenEye;2724539]For a solid 10 in beauty and bed, it's a good price. Maybe 2500 plus expenses, like transportation, meals and lodging.[/QUOTE]Thanks let me work on that, it is reasonable.
I just checked. Prices from both US coasts to Sampa are about 1200 for coach, 3500 for business and 8-12 k for first. The difference is a lotta hours with a Scandallo garota LOL. Reminds me of a time where I had a business colleague who would boast that he never flew coach if he had to "spend the night on the plane". Later we were flying out of BsAs and sure enough, he's in coach. What's the deal I asked. He said, Did you see the crazy prices for First? I asked him how much money you have to have so that the fare difference is immaterial. " About 10 % more than you've got".
[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2724895]I just checked. Prices from both US coasts to Sampa are about 1200 for coach, 3500 for business and 8-12 k for first. The difference is a lotta hours with a Scandallo garota LOL. Reminds me of a time where I had a business colleague who would boast that he never flew coach if he had to "spend the night on the plane". Later we were flying out of BsAs and sure enough, he's in coach. What's the deal I asked. He said, Did you see the crazy prices for First? I asked him how much money you have to have so that the fare difference is immaterial. " About 10 % more than you've got".[/QUOTE]For anybody looking to get back to brasil ASAP on the cheap, Copa airlines has great deals on flights right now. Round trip from San Francisco to SP was 750 usd. My research tells me to avoid the main domestic carriers at all costs. Flights both domestic and international served on United, American, delta are all ridiculously priced at the moment.
[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2724895]I just checked. Prices from both US coasts to Sampa are about 1200 for coach, 3500 for business and 8-12 k for first. The difference is a lotta hours with a Scandallo garota LOL. Reminds me of a time where I had a business colleague who would boast that he never flew coach if he had to "spend the night on the plane". Later we were flying out of BsAs and sure enough, he's in coach. What's the deal I asked. He said, Did you see the crazy prices for First? I asked him how much money you have to have so that the fare difference is immaterial. " About 10 % more than you've got".[/QUOTE]I just found round trip flights to GRU for 155,000 miles on United. Not too long ago it was just 120,000 miles. And it was even less than that during the worst of the pandemic. Got it covered easy either way hehehe! For my next upcoming long flight (it's not to Brazil) I found First Class seats on Delta for only 90,000 miles! Damn straight I booked that flight post haste months and months ago with Delta SkyMiles! Try to do it now and they would want over twice as much in miles (Delta is the worst for this kind of gouging sometimes)! It pays to look around and book early. It really, really does!
[QUOTE=NapataJohn;2724338]Anyone here taken a Scandallo girl for a weekend trip to Santos? Is 3000 BRL a good price for the weekend?[/QUOTE]Not much nice beaches in Santos. In any city in BR you will find working girls, why bring sand to the beach? Only if the price is right, multi days trip I offer no more than 1 k per day. If it is an exotic destination should be almost free LOL.
[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2724895]I just checked. Prices from both US coasts to Sampa are about 1200 for coach, 3500 for business and 8-12 k for first. The difference is a lotta hours with a Scandallo garota LOL.[/QUOTE]Same thing happening with the flights from Europe. I usually have paid between $2000 and $2500 and now the same tickets cost $3500. The prices have gone up with the fuel prices and travel industry recovering from Covid. It doesn't mean I have to say no to a Scandallo girl if I like her. Luckily those days are over when I first time went to Amsterdam and fucked 21 girls during 2,5 days.
[QUOTE=Nordico;2724926]Luckily those days are over when I first time went to Amsterdam and fucked 21 girls during 2,5 days.[/QUOTE]Damn that's insane bro! I used to go to Costa Rica and slam fuck 25 girls in 10 days (with almost no repeats and "nut"every single time). And I thought [B]that[/B] was something LOL!
Am curious if anyone has an opinion on the quality of the experience of Cafe Photo vs Scandallo. I'm traveling to São Paulo next week, and my hotel is much closer to Cafe Photo. When I read the posts from fellow mongers, all I see are references to how great Scandallo is, so I'm super intrigued. But, Cafe Photo is roughly 10 min drive from my hotel while Scandallo is 40 min. Is it worth it to go Scandallo, or should I just go to Cafe Photo?
I'm curious is anyone has an opinion about the quality of the experience of Scandallo vs Cafe Photo. I have read a lot of posts from fellow mongers raving about Scandallo, but I haven't seen much on Cafe Photo. I'll be traveling next week to So Paulo, and my hotel is roughly 10 min from Cafe Photo while Scandallo is 40 min away. Is it worth the extra 30 min drive to get to Scandallo or is Cafe Photo basically the same?
[QUOTE=TheCane;2724928]Damn that's insane bro! I used to go to Costa Rica and slam fuck 25 girls in 10 days (with almost no repeats and "nut"every single time). And I thought [B]that[/B] was something LOL![/QUOTE]I was 20-something and was window shopping for the first time. Now I think 1-2 shots and a nice dinner is just fine.
[QUOTE=TheCane;2724375]Again, you seem to be missing my point there, which was a narrow one. Let me say it another way. That part of what I wrote was really only mainly [B]an aside[/B] about how the value that people place on a good or service can change because of an experience they had. ...[/QUOTE]I think I understand you. The first time that I went to Scandallo, I was prepared to splurge because it was a brand new experience. Since I never find anything that matched my expectation from reading the forum, the value has decreased. In my response to Bearsi, I wasn't saying he was wrong, I just suggested based on my understanding what maybe a better analogy.
This is a description about a woman in El Centro in Medellin that a session costs no more than $10.
[QUOTE=AdamWl;2724585]I stumbled upon that girl my first week on the ground, stunning indeed, those puppy eyes made me stop dead in my tracks. ...[/QUOTE]I was there. LOL.
[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2723104]...Met up with Pollo Negro and Nounce at the fountain in front of the Vera Cruz Church....[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=TheCane;2724375]...But to answer your question, yes! [b]As long as I can afford[/b] to pay for First Class of Business Class and still monger where I want to for as much and as long as I want to then yes...[/QUOTE]That is the condition I want to know as in my original post mentioned. As a courtesy to your reply, for me, I will make consistent choice that maintains my financial freedom that basically starts with not spending more than I earned and not because I can afford it or not.
[QUOTE=MagnumPI;2725019]I'm curious is anyone has an opinion about the quality of the experience of Scandallo vs Cafe Photo. I have read a lot of posts from fellow mongers raving about Scandallo, but I haven't seen much on Cafe Photo. I'll be traveling next week to So Paulo, and my hotel is roughly 10 min from Cafe Photo while Scandallo is 40 min away. Is it worth the extra 30 min drive to get to Scandallo or is Cafe Photo basically the same?[/QUOTE]Bomboa is walking distance to Cafe Photo. The Cafe Photo reviews here match my experience with more than 1 visit. You can read the review to decide.
[QUOTE=Fewdie;2724637]No....[/QUOTE]Thanks for making it clear.
[QUOTE=Fewdie;2724637]...I can find someone else at the same quality / level / whatever or even better who would agree. ....[/QUOTE]Agreed.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2725191]As a courtesy to your reply, for me, I will make consistent choice that maintains my financial freedom that basically starts with not spending more than I earned and not because I can afford it or not.[/QUOTE]According to my own way of thinking, the two go together. That is, if one consistently spends more than they earn, then by definition they can't afford what they're spending on.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2725195]Bomboa is walking distance to Cafe Photo. The Cafe Photo reviews here match my experience with more than 1 visit. You can read the review to decide.[/QUOTE]Sorry, I messed up. I was talking about the old Cafe Photo being near Bomboa. I did went to new Cafe Photo on their opening night.
[QUOTE=MagnumPI;2725019]I'm curious is anyone has an opinion about the quality of the experience of Scandallo vs Cafe Photo. I have read a lot of posts from fellow mongers raving about Scandallo, but I haven't seen much on Cafe Photo. I'll be traveling next week to So Paulo, and my hotel is roughly 10 min from Cafe Photo while Scandallo is 40 min away. Is it worth the extra 30 min drive to get to Scandallo or is Cafe Photo basically the same?[/QUOTE]The old Cafe Photo (now the Lotus Club) was a must-do club for me (have not been to the new location yet). The old location is where I found this one: [POST]2720488[/POST]. All that said, there is no substitute for Scandallo. It's a unique destination that virtually no other place in the world can match for the kind of facilities and atmosphere there. So to answer the last of your questions posed in a word (is Cafe Photo basically the same). No! At least not at the old site it isn't, which again is now known as the Lotus Club.
[QUOTE=TheCane;2725234]The old Cafe Photo (now the Lotus Club) was a must-do club for me (have not been to the new location yet). The old location is where I found this one: [POST]2720488[/POST]. All that said, there is no substitute for Scandallo. It's a unique destination that virtually no other place in the world can match for the kind of facilities and atmosphere there. So to answer the last of your questions posed in a word (is Cafe Photo basically the same). No! At least not at the old site it isn't, which again is now known as the Lotus Club.[/QUOTE]Thanks much for the info. Seems like the extra distance on the car ride may be worth it. What about Bomboa vs Scandallo? Same as Lotus Club?
During the last 18 months, I've been to the new Cafe Photo (at 1515) about 5 x and Scandallo about 25 x.
Although both clubs aim to attract the high end clientele, they are quite different. The new Cafe Photo is renovated nicely, but much smaller than Scandallo. You can sit in the main lounge and see almost everyone, except those in the second floor (restaurant and smoking area). As it's a smaller venue, there are a lot less girls (30-50 in the nights I visited).
There were 2 x at Cafe Photo that I left empty handed and went to Bomboa or Scandallo. 2 x I settled for a girl I would have passed on in Scandallo. That is not to say there wasn't a girl I was interested in during each of those visits, but usually they were with a guy and unavailable. There has never been a visit to Scandallo that I didn't find a girl that was both available and I was attracted to.
The admission at Cafe Photo is 350, which is similar to Scandallo at 400 after 7 pm. Don't think they have an early bird rate like Scandallo as they aren't open during the daytime.
Drink amd food prices are similar. I didn't eat at Cafe Photo, so can't comment on food quality.
Cafe Photo also does not have an adjacent hotel, which I consider a plus. There is no exit fee to take a girl out of the club. If you want an easy adjacent in-house 1 HR session, that can be problematic.
For me, Scandallo is so much better in almost every way (except the Saida fee) that I would only consider Cafe Photo or other over Scandallo, if a friend really really want to check it out.
I'll do a summary of the 5 higher end boates I have been to in SP (Ranked in my order of preference).
1) Scandallo.
Admission:. 200 before 7 pm, 400 after 7 pm.
Space:. Large and separated in zones (restaurant & long bar, outdoor patio & club / Disco).
Decoration:. High end chique.
No. Of Girls: 40-75 before 7 pm, 150+ after 7 pm and 200+ after 10:30-11:00 pm, especially from Tues to Thursday. A little slower on Friday, but still good.
Quality of the talent:. Lots of 7's and 8's and more than enough 8. 5's to 9. 5's to satisfy any taste. The high number and variety of hot girls means I've never left the club empty handed.
Rating: 9. 5 out of 10.
Special note:. Can be enter before 7 pm and return later in the evening and avoid admission.
2) Connection.
Admission:. 50 before 7 pm and 100 after 7 pm.
Space:. Decent size. Like a long rectangular field. The disco and bar in the front, and restaurant and smoking area in the back.
Decoration:. Strip club / Disco vibe.
No. Of Girls:. 40-60 depending on the day.
Quality of the talent:. More of the girls have a PSE / slutty look and feel. Talent can be hit or miss depending on the day. I found the talent better in early 2021, as it was the main club to defy curfew so other girls from Scandallo would go there after 9 pm. Now those girls don't need to.
Rating: 8 out of 10. Mostly due to the cheaper admission and girl prices.
Special Note:. Location is farthest from main tourist / business area of SP among clubs listed.
3) Cafe Photo.
Admission: 350.
Space:. Decent size. Main lounge / disco area in one open space. Easy to scope out the talent in one convenience spot.
Decoration:. High-end disco / club.
No. Of Girls:. 30-50.
Quality of the talent: slightly less in quality than Scandallo. That combined with a lot less in quantity will result in potentially not finding what you want available.
Rating:. 8 out of 10.
Special Note:. In the heart of SP so convenient to most places.
4) Bomboa.
Admission: 250.
Space:. Smaller and more intimate.
Decoration:. Old school traditional bar / restaurant with a small stage. More seating upstairs, but mostly for smoking and for tranquility.
No. Of Girls:. 40-60.
Quality of the talent:. I found the talent to be somewhere in the middle between connections and Cafe photo. As this place caters more to locals the pricing is also better.
Rating: 7. 5 out of 10.
Special Note:. In the heart of SP so convenient to most places.
5) Lotus Club.
Admission: 300+.
Space:. Large, high ceilings and renovated really nicely.
Decoration:. Super new and trendy.
No. Of Girls:. 5 to 10.
Quality of the talent: Inconclusive. The two times that I came by they offered a show me around before charging me admission as there were very few girls on premises. I basically got a tour of the place and left to go to Bomboa, which is a 3-4 min walk away.
I have seen the recent Instagram stories and it seems like they got a lot more people there now so they're doing a better job promoting the place. I might give it another shot checking it out when I return to SP.
Rating:. Inconclusive.
Airfare to SP and nice hotels in SP are definitely more costly now than 12 or 18 months ago.
Economy tickets from the US from the mainline carrier cost more now than business and even occasionally first class tickets cost 12 to 18 months ago, at least from the east coast US.
With that said, there are still deals to be had, both in cash and points, but it's harder and harder to find and you might need to be creative. Two examples are 1) a friend flew from US to another South American city, with a connection in GRU. And he ditched his last leg to visit SP on the cheap 2) Another friend flew from GRU to Florida with a connection in Texas. And ditched his flight from Texas to Florida. In both situations, they paid 25-33% of the direct flight cost.
Hotel points can be a lifesaver. I've seen the Renaissance and Grand Hyatt double to triple in price over the past 12 to 18 months. But the points cost stayed the same!
Thankfully, the exchange rate is still phenomenal and I haven't noticed much inflationary pressure on my other main spending. High end restaurants.
[QUOTE=SocratesNY;2725268]With that said, there are still deals to be had, both in cash and points, but it's harder and harder to find and you might need to be creative. Two examples are 1) a friend flew from US to another South American city, with a connection in GRU. And he ditched his last leg to visit SP on the cheap 2) Another friend flew from GRU to Florida with a connection in Texas. And ditched his flight from Texas to Florida. In both situations, they paid 25-33% of the direct flight cost.[/QUOTE]Just a warning here to all. Don't think you can get away with ditching the second leg of your flights willy nilly to save money. The airlines are well aware of this tactic, and you don't have to do it that many times before you just might be hearing from the airline about your new banishment! They notice. And they don't like it. Believe this.
[QUOTE=SocratesNY;2725268]Thankfully, the exchange rate is still phenomenal and I haven't noticed much inflationary pressure on my other main spending. High end restaurants.[/QUOTE]The BRL Has begun to significantly gain ground vs the usd in last 72 hours since the fed increased interests rates by 75 basis points. Will we see the usd continue to fall like it did a few months back when the fed did the exact same thing by increasing interests rates 75 basis points? It got down to 4. 63 at one point not too long ago during that time. Today the taxa de cambio is hovering around 5.19, which is still acceptable, IMO. Will the usd continue to fall like it did the last time the fed messed around with increased interests rates? Me thinks so. Like most, I'd hate to see it fall below 5.00 again but part of me thinks it's coming. Pure speculation on my part so only time will tell.
[QUOTE=SocratesNY;2725268]Airfare to SP and nice hotels in SP are definitely more costly now than 12 or 18 months ago.
Economy tickets from the US from the mainline carrier cost more now than business and even occasionally first class tickets cost 12 to 18 months ago, at least from the east coast US.
With that said, there are still deals to be had, both in cash and points, but it's harder and harder to find and you might need to be creative. Two examples are 1) a friend flew from US to another South American city, with a connection in GRU. And he ditched his last leg to visit SP on the cheap 2) Another friend flew from GRU to Florida with a connection in Texas. And ditched his flight from Texas to Florida. In both situations, they paid 25-33% of the direct flight cost.
Hotel points can be a lifesaver. I've seen the Renaissance and Grand Hyatt double to triple in price over the past 12 to 18 months. But the points cost stayed the same!
Thankfully, the exchange rate is still phenomenal and I haven't noticed much inflationary pressure on my other main spending. High end restaurants.[/QUOTE]Skipping connection is doable if you don't have check bags, but eventually the passenger will get banned if they do it often. I've used Latin American airlines this year because they are about half price compared to US airlines probably due to fuel subsidies. Viva Air that connects in Columbia flies to GRU for as low as $250 if have no bags.
Marriott will soon convert to points system equivalent to cash like the airlines with mile, IE $100 = 10,000 points / miles so many customers are using up their points / miles since it will be soon devalued.
For about 3000 R a month gets a nice apt in SP, for 4000 R furnished it will be like Renaissance or Hyatt. Typical lease is 3 years with the option to leave after 1 year with no penalty.
I just logged-in and saw some questions about the comparison of talent at the various clubs. I am a huge fan of Scandallo, but I have to share that I have been very disappointed with what I have been seeing during my recent visits. I was there last night (Wednesday) and there were a ton of girls but there were a ton that I had no interest in. I was shocked with some of the girls that the management has let come in and work there, and not to mention what they have let some of these girls wear. I saw a lot of trashy looking girls last night that just don't belong in that club. I have a found a girl worth taking out for the night on each of my visits, but I really had to be patient and hunt. Despite there being a substantial number of girls in the club, I ended up taking a girl that I had taken out on Saturday night because I didn't see anyone better than her.
I actually met my dream girl at a clinica and to me she is by far hotter than anyone I have seen at Scandallo. Lots to contribute to the forum!
[QUOTE=MagnumPI;2725249]Thanks much for the info. Seems like the extra distance on the car ride may be worth it. What about Bomboa vs Scandallo? Same as Lotus Club?[/QUOTE]See Socrates' helpful post. For me they are all a must-do LOL! You just never know where you're going to find the next jewel.
I got a tip last night that the lounge at the top of the Tivoli has some premium talent working there. As I understand, this information is not widely known but this hotel caters to an elite clientele and they allow very attractive ladies work their lounge.
Has any stayed at this hotel and / or checked out their lounge.
[QUOTE=ATexGuy;2725339]I got a tip last night that the lounge at the top of the Tivoli has some premium talent working there. As I understand, this information is not widely known but this hotel caters to an elite clientele and they allow very attractive ladies work their lounge.
Has any stayed at this hotel and / or checked out their lounge.[/QUOTE]Do you mean SEEN RESTAURANT & BAR?
I went there with 3 other forum posters and 3 girls in November last year and there are no reservations first come first serve. It's one of the busiest bars in all of South America apparently. We had to wait like 45 mins in the lobby, wait time varies so you can be looking at 30 mins -90 mins. I think it's better if you have a big party like 4-8 people so you have a better chance of getting a table since they know you'll spend more. 2 people for a table isn't as profitable of course. The bar is pretty nice and is the highlight with the bartenders making some unique drinks and doing some neat tricks so it also fills up quickly. It's not really a place you can just walk in and get served very quickly. I didn't really see any working girls when we went but if there are now I'm sure they'd charge something high like the renaissance hotel lobby girls or higher since this a really high-end bar / hotel. Could be wrong but seems like a hassle and then some to score. I could be wrong tho.
If anyone checks it out definitely report back, would be an interesting read.
Why don't they like it?
[QUOTE=TheCane;2725280]Just a warning here to all. Don't think you can get away with ditching the second leg of your flights willy nilly to save money. The airlines are well aware of this tactic, and you don't have to do it that many times before you just might be hearing from the airline about your new banishment! They notice. And they don't like it. Believe this.[/QUOTE]
Feds got to raise the rates more to control this inflation at Scandallo. LOL.
[QUOTE=OJeito;2725284]The BRL Has begun to significantly gain ground vs the usd in last 72 hours since the fed increased interests rates by 75 basis points. Will we see the usd continue to fall like it did a few months back when the fed did the exact same thing by increasing interests rates 75 basis points? It got down to 4. 63 at one point not too long ago during that time. Today the taxa de cambio is hovering around 5.19, which is still acceptable, IMO. Will the usd continue to fall like it did the last time the fed messed around with increased interests rates? Me thinks so. Like most, I'd hate to see it fall below 5.00 again but part of me thinks it's coming. Pure speculation on my part so only time will tell.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Fewdie;2725433]Why don't they like it?[/QUOTE]Couple of articles about the practice (you can be fined and / or banned from the mileage program or maybe worse if they get fed up with you):
[URL]https://www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/this-airline-sued-a-passenger-for-skipping-his-flight-why-we-should-all-take-note-2019-02-13[/URL]
[URL]https://simpleflying.com/american-airlines-skiplagging-warning/amp/[/URL]
[QUOTE=OJeito;2725284]The BRL Has begun to significantly gain ground vs the usd in last 72 hours since the fed increased interests rates by 75 basis points. Will we see the usd continue to fall like it did a few months back when the fed did the exact same thing by increasing interests rates 75 basis points? It got down to 4. 63 at one point not too long ago during that time. Today the taxa de cambio is hovering around 5.19, which is still acceptable, IMO. Will the usd continue to fall like it did the last time the fed messed around with increased interests rates? Me thinks so. Like most, I'd hate to see it fall below 5.00 again but part of me thinks it's coming. Pure speculation on my part so only time will tell.[/QUOTE]There's always a lot going on behind the currency markets. I don't think the Fed raising rates is the cause for a rise in the Real the last few days. Generally, rate increases are good for currencies. Euro-Dollar is a major currency pair and the Euro did not move much at all versus the Dollar this past week.
More than likely, concerns of a USA Recession might have helped Real sentiment. However if the USA And Europe are in a longer than expected recession, it will likely hurt the Brazilian economy.
Given the significant lack of quality talent at Scandallo on Wednesday night, I decided to change course and checkout Caf Foto for myself. I am so glad that I did. I was very impressed! It is a great alternative to Scandallo and has a much different vibe if you are looking for a change of pace.
I arrived at Caf Foto a little after 10 pm and was impressed immediately upon pulling up to the building. Very cool exterior architecture and very professional men at the entry to welcome you. Also, very secure. My first impression is that this is a club that caters to SP's elite clients, as the staff was all men in suits and none spoke any English. Similar registration as Scandallo except you have to give a fingerprint. As I entered the club, I was impressed with how big it was. It is not huge like Scandallo, but fairly large and open. There is an upstairs mezzanine and an outside smoking area that overlooks the front entry. It's a very nice club.
Now for the talent I was VERY impressed! The club was not very busy but there were easily about 30-35 ladies already there. I was told most ladies arrive by 11 pm. Since there were not many customers, I really had my pick of ladies and they were beautiful. I am a super picky. Like extremely picky! I like ladies that are thin, minimal tattoos and a lady that is classy (hair, nails, makeup, shoes, dress). I found 8-10 ladies that were just my type but I would say that 20+ ladies were far hotter than what I have recently seen at Scandallo. I was sitting up on the mezzanine level when I found the lady I would take home. WOW! Petite little lady in a short black dress and beautiful smile. Very outgoing personality. I sat down with her at a table and eventually her friend joined us.
As for pricing she initially told me the ladies charge are $1000 per hour to go to my hotel or a love hotel. She quoted me $3000 to stay the night. She offered me a number for her and her friend to both come stay for the night. Given that I was one of the few customers in the club and there were many other options waiting to get selected, I made her a much lower counter offer which she quickly accepted. I closed out of bill and we were on our way back to my hotel. No fee to take the girl out of the club.
I am a big fan of Scandallo and think it is truly an amazing place, but lately the quality of the talent there is just not all that good in my opinion. I have always found a lady but it has taken patience and really looking around for one that fit my tastes. There were just so many trashy looking ladies there on Wednesday night that it was so hard to find a diamond amongst the rest. That is why I repeated with a lady that I had been with on Saturday because I just couldn't find anything I wanted.
Many will disagree with me, but I have to say the talent at Cafe Foto was MUCH BETTER than what has been at Scandallo and it took no patience or looking all over the club to find one I wanted. All of the ladies I saw at Caf Foto were super classy and meticulously dressed. No trashy girls whatsoever. Cafe Foto is a much more laid-back atmosphere and the girls are not sharks. They cannot even approach you unless you motion to speak with them. I really liked this place and definitely will return but I will still go to Scandallo as well.
[QUOTE=TheCane;2725451]Couple of articles about the practice (you can be fined and / or banned from the mileage program or maybe worse if they get fed up with you):
[URL]https://www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/this-airline-sued-a-passenger-for-skipping-his-flight-why-we-should-all-take-note-2019-02-13[/URL]
[URL]https://simpleflying.com/american-airlines-skiplagging-warning/amp/[/URL][/QUOTE]Yes, always check the fare conditions of your ticket.
[QUOTE=ATexGuy;2725530]Many will disagree with me, but I have to say the talent at Cafe Foto was MUCH BETTER than what has been at Scandallo and it took no patience or looking all over the club to find one I wanted. All of the ladies I saw at Caf Foto were super classy and meticulously dressed. No trashy girls whatsoever. Cafe Foto is a much more laid-back atmosphere and the girls are not sharks. They cannot even approach you unless you motion to speak with them. I really liked this place and definitely will return but I will still go to Scandallo as well.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the post. Your observations are very interesting.
When Cafe Foto was the premier club in Sao Paulo in the 2000's and at its pinnacle, they had classy girls.
$1000 per hour (this probably includes Uber / taxi time?) and $3000 per night are high. What were you able to negotiate?
[QUOTE=Tochka;2723697]I went to Prime Sunday afternoon around 1 pm, good lineup on wassap. Nice to know Murina and Prime are open Sunday with a solid lineup by checking before showing up.
Thanks for the protip guys and the gas station tip. Yup, they sell my brand of whiskey in travel size.[/QUOTE]Hiii I am a first timer to Sao Paulo. How do I get to the whatsapp group to see the line up at Prime, Tangara (if any) before going there.
[QUOTE=SocratesNY;2725268]
With that said, there are still deals to be had, both in cash and points, but it's harder and harder to find and you might need to be creative. Two examples are 1) a friend flew from US to another South American city, with a connection in GRU. And he ditched his last leg to visit SP on the cheap 2) Another friend flew from GRU to Florida with a connection in Texas. And ditched his flight from Texas to Florida. In both situations, they paid 25-33% of the direct flight cost.
[/QUOTE]Interesting strategy, but what about baggage? Isn't that sent to the final destination?
[QUOTE=Bocudie;2725641]Hiii I am a first timer to Sao Paulo. How do I get to the whatsapp group to see the line up at Prime, Tangara (if any) before going there.[/QUOTE]Prime and Tangara if I recall correctly are two of the two Clinicas that require you to visit and ask to join the WhatsApp list in person. Perhaps it's because they often share lineup photos with faces whereas the other Clinicas often don't. I'm pretty sure Miruna and Enjoy will sign you up if you just send them a WhatsApp message asking to be added to the list and provide your "name. " Ideally would recommend using Google Translate to ask in Portuguese. Rest assured though, Tangara, if you wait long enough there, always has great options as does Prime, so it's a pretty good bet to just show up at either at roughly 2 or 3 PM (when options are there but before the after work rush).
Hell yeah! This is good to read from the Café Photo! The latest reviews from the new address were kind of dissapointing.
Once I picked a lovely long hair brunette, maybe it was 700 Reales back in 2017. She had a great Honda sport car in the parking of the club. She let me play with her thighs and her pussy while she was driving us to my place. She stopped in the Ipiranga gas station for an ATM 'cause I didn't have cash and she ran out of camisinhas. She looked stunning walking on those high heels pearl color, red tight miniskirt dress. Maybe she was only 1,60 m but she looked just great. Her right hand with rings and bracelets playing with my dick after I paid her in the car.
Her battle name was Mileni. I remember there was a guy who was kind of pissed off when I took her from the club. Maybe he was experiencing an IOP or obsessed with her jajajaja because he was really stearing at us while we were talkiing and negotiating.
[QUOTE=ATexGuy;2725530]Given the significant lack of quality talent at Scandallo on Wednesday night, I decided to change course and checkout Caf Foto for myself. I am so glad that I did. I was very impressed! It is a great alternative to Scandallo and has a much different vibe if you are looking for a change of pace.
I arrived at Caf Foto a little after 10 pm and was impressed immediately upon pulling up to the building. Very cool exterior architecture and very professional men at the entry to welcome you. Also, very secure. My first impression is that this is a club that caters to SP's elite clients, as the staff was all men in suits and none spoke any English. Similar registration as Scandallo except you have to give a fingerprint. As I entered the club, I was impressed with how big it was. It is not huge like Scandallo, but fairly large and open. There is an upstairs mezzanine and an outside smoking area that overlooks the front entry. It's a very nice club.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Hobbying;2724921]Not much nice beaches in Santos. In any city in BR you will find working girls, why bring sand to the beach? Only if the price is right, multi days trip I offer no more than 1 k per day. If it is an exotic destination should be almost free LOL.[/QUOTE]Hobbying correct but if I know her from before I am guaranteed a good time though it is more money, that is all I was trying to establish, not exactly Santos but nearby actuallt.
I crossed the entire city, from the Asturias motel to Guarulhos, just to arrive when my flight was minutes to close.
I met this rabuda, bunduda (big butt girl) in Bomboa during the Interlagos F1 week, she was from the interior and came only to SP for the F1 week. That night she was wearing a tight miniskirt that highlighted her massive ass. An ass with a shape, a few pounds more, and would be an horrible ass. Believe me. But it was the up extreme perfection in balance. Of course we went up the stairs in the motel right next bomboa, and she only asked 400 Reales! I will not go into details from this fuck 'cause the interesting part comes next.
She gave me her what's and we arranged a photo / video shoot the next morning in the Asturias motel. I told her I was a great portrait photographer (which I believe I am, maybe I'm not, but I believe it and much more when I have to convince a model), that my lighting and technic and bla bla bla, and she of course agreed. She came to my hotel in Rebouças street and picked me 15 minutes later. We headed to the Asturias, and. She was a new driver, a new driver and in Sao Paulo, and we lost the street to Asturias at least three times. Ok, we already had a 15+30 minutes delay from the very start. See her driving and following the google maps instructions on her iphone.
My flight was in 5 hours.
Meanwhile she was dressing and undressing, I set my cameras. My canon and my GoPro with underwater case. Because I was decided to sink that ass until the very deep of that pool and jacuzzi. She started wearing black lingerie and stockings. Super hot, classy and sexy. That's the pictures she has as souvenir. I saw them in her instagram wall commented by his European boyfriend jejejejeje.
My flight was in 4 hours.
Then it came the bikini part, where we headed to the fantastic pool. There she was, walking and waddling that fantastic ass in velvet high heels. Then it was time to sink that ass underwater. Oh my god, my GoPro Hero 3 recording full HD that ass entering the water by the stairs verys slowly. I could not resist to dive and emerge right under her ass. And I almost drawned in her, half sunk ass that I kissed and licked so hard. Believe me I almost drowned.
My flight was in 3:30 hours.
Then the ass oiling, and shaking. Hands on that massive shiny ass bending over and doing booty clamp.
My flight was in 3:15 hours.
Then it was time for a hot steamy shower. We were together under the shower, I was recording from the very bottom with the gopro, a "view from dorn" we call in spanish. She was posing and making some samba moves under the shower, and I lost my mind. I proposed her to fuck again right there. Ok, leave the camera she said. I didn't think about my flight TBH.
My flight was in 3 hours.
And we fucked under the steamy shower, it was so hot and steamy I could not see her face making me a blow job. I only had my hands on her head to confirm. I went straight to the bed where my condoms were, and I got back. She asked me to seat in the floor of the shower and she stood in front of me, and giving me her back, flexed her legs so she crowned my dick with her massive ass. And we fucked. I was in a galatic trip and I guess she was also. It was fantastic.
When I came I got back to reality and realized my flight was almost in 2 hours. I was almost fucked up with it. So I gave her her money, and meanwhile I was making my luggage, super crazy fast, she signed the release as you can see.
My taxi arrived when the guys from the hotel were checking our consumptions from the refrigerator. Fortunately I already knew the fastest way to Guarulhos airport was the Marginal Tiete. A way the taxi driver madein almost 30 minutes under heavy rain. That rain made my flight delay few minutes so I could board it and tell this story.
Only one photographic advice: Please turn of that dam flash from your camera. Use the light from location if you want to portrait the real conditions.
[QUOTE=Fewdie;2725433]Why don't they like it?[/QUOTE]They don't like it because they know you want a nonstop ticket and they want to sell you a nonstop ticket for more. This is why the cheapest ticket buys you a convoluted itinerary on many, if not most airlines.
Having said that, they're well aware that their practice is controversial, so it's unlikely they'll ban you or take away your miles unless you're a serial violator. There are legit reasons why people miss their connection, just remember NEVER to check your bags or skip a leg on a round trip flight. That's a huge no-no. You can google "married segment logic" if you want to dig into this.
Here is a site that can help you find a cheap nonstop flight (no affiliation). They're kind of famous because they've been sued by United and won.
[URL]https://skiplagged.com/[/URL]
[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2725535]Thanks for the post. Your observations are very interesting.
When Cafe Foto was the premier club in Sao Paulo in the 2000's and at its pinnacle, they had classy girls.
$1000 per hour (this probably includes Uber / taxi time?) and $3000 per night are high. What were you able to negotiate?[/QUOTE]I was there the opening night. I also found a girl that is just my type. It's 500 without negotiation then. We sessioned in a love motel to sunrise.
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2725707]
Here is a site that can help you find a cheap nonstop flight (no affiliation). They're kind of famous because they've been sued by United and won.
[URL]https://skiplagged.com/[/URL][/QUOTE]Good one. Also this [URL]https://www.skyscanner.com/[/URL].
[QUOTE=NapataJohn;2725669]Hobbying correct but if I know her from before I am guaranteed a good time though it is more money, that is all I was trying to establish, not exactly Santos but nearby actuallt.[/QUOTE]Santos has port, take her on a cruise. They get drunk leads to bareback, happened with me twice.
Original Foto was a tourist trap since most of the girls spoke English. They are freelancers so they never really get in trouble if they ripoff or steal. But in 2000's it was a nice to go there site seeing, semi famous girls would show up but those days are gone with internet sites or agencies.
[QUOTE=Hobbying;2725843]Original Foto was a tourist trap since most of the girls spoke English. They are freelancers so they never really get in trouble if they ripoff or steal. But in 2000's it was a nice to go there site seeing, semi famous girls would show up but those days are gone with internet sites or agencies.[/QUOTE]I never met an English speaker there ever that I can recall. As a matter of fact, it's been rare for me to meet any English-speaking girls at any of the clubs in Sampa, including other alleged "tourist traps" like Scandallo. You might meet a few here and there, but my experience tells me that most of the girls are Portuguese-speaking, and that the primary customer base consists of Brazilian men. Even at the so-called "tourist" clubs LOL! I guess any place that costs more than what a "bargain basement Barney" wants to pay is a "tourist trap" because supposedly only tourists would pay that LOLOLOL!
You pick up your baggage after arriving internationally.
[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2725652]Interesting strategy, but what about baggage? Isn't that sent to the final destination?[/QUOTE]
Thats the only reason I can think of that they loose from all of this but they set the price and we paid so its fair game. Buy 1 get 1 free Big Mac. I can just eat one and throw the other one away if I want. Other than that, can't find anything that negatively hurts them. One less passenger and one less luggage to worry about on the second leg.
Banning us just means theyre helping their competitors get more passengers and they just end up loosing even more. Just don't do it on round trips and don't attach the miles to the ticket. We all pick up bags after arriving internationally anyways.
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2725707]They don't like it because they know you want a nonstop ticket and they want to sell you a nonstop ticket for more. This is why the cheapest ticket buys you a convoluted itinerary on many, if not most airlines.
Having said that, they're well aware that their practice is controversial, so it's unlikely they'll ban you or take away your miles unless you're a serial violator. There are legit reasons why people miss their connection, just remember NEVER to check your bags or skip a leg on a round trip flight. That's a huge no-no. You can google "married segment logic" if you want to dig into this.
Here is a site that can help you find a cheap nonstop flight (no affiliation). They're kind of famous because they've been sued by United and won.
[URL]https://skiplagged.com/[/URL][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2725652]Interesting strategy, but what about baggage? Isn't that sent to the final destination?[/QUOTE]I always carry light: just a backpack (personal item) and a carry on luggage.
I never check a bag anymore ever since watching this scene in the movie "up in the air" with George Clooney.
[URL]https://youtu.be/cnNyUGhXTsw?t=25[/URL]
Always wasted time waiting for luggage in the rotating belt and although I never lost a luggage, this help to avoid it ever happening.
I always found that I overpacked and never ended up using all the extra clothes and such. I always buy some touristy clothes anyways since it's so cheap.
If you ever do ditch a connecting flight like I've done, just never check in a bag and you're golden pretty much.
[QUOTE=Nordico;2725532]Yes, always check the fare conditions of your ticket.[/QUOTE]Reminds me of the story of how American Airlines had a $250 K lifetime membership program where you'd fly anywhere unlimited anywhere around the world first class where AA traveled to for life.
You could add a companion for only $150 K (this could be anyone that was with you).
They had to hire a special unit to check on the pass holders as some were costing american airline 1 Mil plus their companion were able to rack up tens of millions of miles as well as taxes and airport fees paid for by the airline.
They had to sue some of them and it wasn't profitable for the airline.
A great story to read.
[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/sep/19/american-airlines-aairpass-golden-ticket[/URL]
[QUOTE=TheCane;2725922]I never met an English speaker there ever that I can recall. As a matter of fact, it's been rare for me to meet any English-speaking girls at any of the clubs in Sampa, including other alleged "tourist traps" like Scandallo. You might meet a few here and there, but my experience tells me that most of the girls are Portuguese-speaking, and that the primary customer base consists of Brazilian men. Even at the so-called "tourist" clubs LOL! I guess any place that costs more than what a "bargain basement Barney" wants to pay is a "tourist trap" because supposedly only tourists would pay that LOLOLOL![/QUOTE]I've met some english speaking girls in scandallo and bomboa. They would always hear me speaking english to a friend or something like that and would approach to start a conversation. They were always never my type and would charge a high fee since they assumed the language barrier being broken would supplement that. Last time I was with a friend and we were speaking english and this girl popped out of nowhere and started talking with us to try to get one of us to go to a room. She just sat down and started making small talk. It was funny / weird seeing the power dynamic turned around. We were the hot girls and she was the aggressive / odd guy trying to score a new bag. We eventually left with some girls we were interested in but she insisted that her small talk was worth 50 BRL. LOL I always avoid english speaking girls for the most part.
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2725707]They don't like it because they know you want a nonstop ticket and they want to sell you a nonstop ticket for more. This is why the cheapest ticket buys you a convoluted itinerary on many, if not most airlines.
Having said that, they're well aware that their practice is controversial, so it's unlikely they'll ban you or take away your miles unless you're a serial violator. There are legit reasons why people miss their connection, just remember NEVER to check your bags or skip a leg on a round trip flight. That's a huge no-no. You can google "married segment logic" if you want to dig into this.
Here is a site that can help you find a cheap nonstop flight (no affiliation). They're kind of famous because they've been sued by United and won.
[URL]https://skiplagged.com/[/URL][/QUOTE]I would also point out since you booked connecting flight and never went on your 2nd flight.
They flew with an empty seat that they could have sold to another person.
[B]THAT BEING SAID[/B]
[B]F*** THE AIRLINES[/B]
They are constantly getting bailed out by governments and they screws us with our own taxpayer money.
They buy back their stock and do all kinds of shady practices and then ask for another bailout.
Same thing with amazon.
They overload the USPS and pay next to nothing in taxes while using taxpayer funded infrastructure that made their billions.
The greedy companies love to cheat and game the system.
So it's my duty as an american to cheat and game their system to get my money back.
So if I want to skip a connection I think I will.
Gringo hunters are the worst! I'm charging them 50 reais if they come up to me next time.
[QUOTE=Bearsi;2726049]We eventually left with some girls we were interested in but she insisted that her small talk was worth 50 BRL. LOL I always avoid english speaking girls for the most part.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I had two Portuguese-speaking friends at Scandallo ask for money after talking to me for only a few minutes. Laughed in both their faces. GTFOH! And one of the hottest girls I have ever fucked was an English-speaking branca at Scandallo (wrote a report on that one). Compared to the overall number I have not met a lot of English-speakers, especially in Sampa, but I don't have a general rule of not showing any interest in them when I do discover them. I just use the same kind of strategies and tactics. I mean, you don't have to speak English to ask for stupid money believe me. That's done in any language, and I can handle it the exact same way. With a definitive "no"!
[QUOTE=Bearsi;2726046]Reminds me of the story of how American Airlines had a $250 K lifetime membership program where you'd fly anywhere unlimited anywhere around the world first class where AA traveled to for life.
You could add a companion for only $150 K (this could be anyone that was with you).
They had to hire a special unit to check on the pass holders as some were costing american airline 1 Mil plus their companion were able to rack up tens of millions of miles as well as taxes and airport fees paid for by the airline.
They had to sue some of them and it wasn't profitable for the airline.
A great story to read.
[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/sep/19/american-airlines-aairpass-golden-ticket[/URL][/QUOTE]That was indeed a good read. The guy's own daughter said he engaged in a lot of "shady" stuff. I agree (and so did the court as he lost his case). If he hadn't done those things, then he wouldn't have lost the pass. On the other hand, if American had thought he was doing something wrong, then they could have given him a warning and asked him to change his behavior. The guy was a bit "off" anyway. I mean, calling up reservations and talking for an hour about nothing because he was bored? Really? His story reminds me of stories I've read about people who hit the lottery, and then they start doing self-detrimental stuff and going off the rails, and end up broke (or dead) when they should have been set for life. He should have been flying in First Class for free for the rest of his natural life. Instead, he blew it by being greedy and wasteful, and by doing stupid shit. He didn't think it was wrong, but the airline did. The court agreed with the airline. And that's all she wrote!
[QUOTE=HiddenEye;2725705]I met this rabuda, bunduda (big butt girl) in Bomboa during the Interlagos F1 week, she was from the interior and came only to SP for the F1 week. That night she was wearing a tight miniskirt that highlighted her massive ass. An ass with a shape, a few pounds more, and would be an horrible ass. Believe me. But it was the up extreme perfection in balance. [/QUOTE]I'm curious. Do you think your friend's ass is natural?
I'm not trying to criticize her. I am genuinely interested in your opinion and if her ass has some augmentation how does it feel.
[QUOTE=TheCane;2726169]He should have been flying in First Class for free for the rest of his natural life.[/QUOTE]I guess it wasn't totally for free. I mean, he did pay $250,000 to get the pass (plus another $150,000 for a companion pass). But, still he could have had those paid for and a hell of a lot more if the passes had remained for the rest of his life (provided he lived a reasonably long one). That $400,000 in purchases would have paid for themselves in time with the kind of travel he did. He didn't have to do the kind of abusive stuff he was doing to get his money back, and then some.
[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2725652]Interesting strategy, but what about baggage? Isn't that sent to the final destination?[/QUOTE]Major airlines always offload your luggage if you don't board the plane. Even GOL offloaded my luggage, when they thought I wasn't in the plane. They made a mistake at the gate and didn't bother to check if I was sitting on my seat. At least I met some nice girls at the lost luggage counter and fed them chocolate when they made my PIR. What a nice guy I am. The problem is that offloading somebody's luggage may cause delays and missed connections etc. On average delays cost thousands of dollars per minute for the airlines. That is another reason airlines don't like people who don't take their connecting flight.
[QUOTE=NapataJohn;2725819]Good one. Also this [URL]https://www.skyscanner.com/[/URL].[/QUOTE]You have to be cautious anyway, if you buy your ticket from these sites. Airlines will not rebook you, if it's not an airline issued document. Flight irregularities are also another problematic situation. These sites usually have only an email to contact them.
An "extended" stay in Sao Paulo, early May thru early June. First ever trip to Brazil.
Quick background, I am on the wrong side of 60, try and stay in ok shape. I budgeted a little extra for a 12 day stay in SP. I prefer slimmer gals vs. The big ass types. I have traveled extensively, so am well versed in the sport. I read thru the last 100 pages of the ISG forum and took extensive notes for my trip. There are too many posters to thank, but to those that have posted trip reports a BIG thanks!
This was my first trip to Brazil. Skipped Rio. Don't care for beaches / tourist spots.
I was solo the entire trip. Was hoping to meet some ISG members, but it was not a priority and did not happen. Did communicate with a few and they were helpful.
Quick tips.
Cash is almost never used in Sao Paulo. Bring at least 2 credit cards. Credit cards are used everywhere. The only time I used cash was to pay a girl. ATM card and cash as a back up. Exception was shopping at the mall. My international credit card would not always get accepted at the stores. This is normal. It's not your card, its their card scanner that can't accept the card. Never an issue at a club or restaurant.
I stayed in Moema. The Mercure Hotel was good for my initial stay of 11 nights. Looks much nicer from the outside, but is adequate. I NEVER had an issue bringing a girl back. Simply walked directly to the elevator with the gal in tow.
Moema is safe. Brazilian food (spices?) was just ok. The small mom and pop places did not have anything appetizing for me.
Uber black or comfort. The basic Uber often canceled. Especially at night, use black.
Clothes. During May I experienced some cool / cold weather. Jeans are the norm. Bring some long sleeved shirts for the nights. Shorts are ok for Sunday walks. There is a giant park close to Moema. Tons of people on weekends.
Go to Sao Paulo (SP from here on in) knowing it's a huge city with not much to do unless you speak Portuguese. I went knowing 0 words. I did fine, but there is A LOT of down time unless you prepare. I brought my firestick loaded with programs to watch T. V. And movies. Forgot my book / kindle.
First and foremost, Sao Paulo is MUCH more expensive than say Medellin, Colombia. I was in SP in May and Medellin in July. For those on a budget or just don't like to spend much, Sao Paulo is NOT for you unless you do the afternoon / evening places (clinicas).
Brief trip report from May as I got lazy to write a report, but owe it to the few that have contributed to my trip.
Long ass flight from Chicago with layover in Panama. Got to my room 2 am Uber from Airport to hotel a breeze. Quick hint, after being in Colombia dozens and dozens of times, I just assumed to sit in front right seat of Uber. The norm is to sit in the back, like a taxi. Medellin is different, sit in the front so you don't look like you are in a pay-4-ride car.
My first day was a Monday and I had planned not much going on after dark. I explored the area on foot and it was safe. Based on a review posted here on ISG I scheduled a meeting in a nearby hotel with a gal from one of the escort sites. Hotel guest required ID, took my photo and called her room. Waited for 10 minutes and was sent up. Girl was pretty but my spider alarm said she was not the girl. Did not leave as she was pretty enough. No shower offered (strange to me and another red flag) but I was horny and ready for some Brazil action. No greeting kisses offered (yes, I know but this was my first time in Brazil) and I later learned this is unusual. Off came my clothes and she then wants money up front. Naked and now knowing I was with a crap gal, I went thru with the deal. Brazilian encounter number 1 was a bust. I left with a WTF thought process thinking SP was not going to be for me.
Clinicas day 2. I had stopped in at Clinica 57 the day before and checked out the talent. Several doable gals around 2 pm, but a roster of only 5. This day I went for the lineup at Abbobora. Gals come out from a back room (all clinicas basically do same accept for tablet based places) and introduce themselves. I can barley hear what they say and never can understand their names. Maybe 10 gals presented and 2 of them were at least 8's. Desk gal asked my choice and I had no clue. I asked for a list of the girls names and she wrote them down, but was not overly pleasant about it. Waited for another guest to arrive so I could see the lineup again and was able to choose a gal. Cost, around 60 USA For an hour and service was very good. DFK, BBBJ and then covered. I don't do anal. Not my thing.
I returned to Abborora 2 or 3 other times and had good service. One finished with CIM.
Doesn't pay to describe each of the other Clinicas but the drill is the same. My only advice is to take a pen and paper and write the names down of the girls you like. Also, write down the addresses of each as google maps was off on Moema Prime and I initially could not find it.
I did not think I would like the tablet based lineups but gave one of them a try. Lotus Lounge, short uber ride away. They have a website. This was my go to place but much more expensive. I think it was 130 ish USA For an hour. Rooms were much nicer, no mattress on the floor crap. Decent shower / hotub. You never see the gal until she enters the room. Four sessions at the place with one repeat. One just average session and 3 were worth every penny.
Night Clubs (Boates). Damn they start late but I love the hunt. Started out with the top place, Scandallo. Yup, 80 ish bucks to enter. Every one of the places operates pretty much the same. Doorman pats you down, you enter and there were like 8 receptionists to present your ID too. Have a GOOD copy of your passport. I was almost not allowed in with a copy I had folded and unfolded a few times. ALL of the clubs give you a CREDIT CARD to account for your drinks. You pay when you leave at each club and pay an exit fee if you take a gal with. So my first impression? Eighty-ninety percent of the available woman at 10 pm Not my type. But with 100-150 available woman, 20 were VERY doable. Good thing they dress nice and most are not aggressive. Some are and I was asked on more than one occasion to buy a drink for someone I had no interest in. I did not see anything above an 8. 5 my first night.
Before I forget, I am no Bratt Pitt, but have a sense of humor. Given the chance I can have girls enjoying some laughs even without much Portuguese. Prior to my trip I had planned on sample testing the girls on site prior to any invites to my hotel. I quickly broke this goal. I only had one session on site.
I won't give an every night replay of my trip, those get boring and everyone has different experiences based on their personality and budget.
My first night at Scandallo a tall model body type sat next to me at the bar. Long legs peaking out from underneath the slit in her dress. Smiles exchanged and the next 2 hours it was full on flirting and drinks. She was not a drink * but I kept offering. Full on DFK and her hand was stroking me whenever she could. Told her upfront, not going to session that night. Too much too drink and if the effort to screw and finish at my age, not going to happen. Got her number, gave her 200 reals, and said goodnight. Next day negotiations. Got her down to 1000 to spend the night. Spent several nights with her and ended up BBFS, something I rarely do. My last night in SP I TOOK her to Scandallo. Ate, drank and she invited her friends (some HOT) to DFK with us. Two girls and me DFK. I bought them drinks and was offered three sums, but passed.
Went to 3 other clubs during my stay. Casarao Augusta, 30 minute uber ride from Moema. 50 real entry and talent level was less, but still a FEW doable and I picked up 3 out of there. Caf Foto. Went once and it is classy and smaller. Girls don't approach. Would go back. Bahamas in Moema. Not mentioned much here but worth stopping in. Met the owner who claimed he owned Penthouse and Hustler magazine business in Brazil.
Bottom line, is it worth going to SP? Yes and no.
My 11 night trip turned into 24. I got Covid there. No need to go into details as the required test to return to USA Not needed. But getting sick in Brazil. Not good.
Comparing Medellin, Colombia to Sao Paulo. I have been to Medellin DOZENS of times over the past 8 years. I wanted to try something different as Medellin has become over-run with tourists / mongers. Areas that were fun to go to 5 years ago have turned into tourist rip of places because of the ignorant and boisterous. Just my opinion.
Beauty of woman: Overall the prettiest woman of the two countries is Colombia. During my almost 1 month stay in SP, the woman I saw on the streets, everyday woman, are of no comparison to the beauty of woman in Colombia. With that said, the working woman of both countries are fantastic.
Winner: Medellin.
Availability: Sao Paulo is a MUCH bigger city and with that probably had more available. The plus for SP is there are more clubs at night to go to that offer the female gender for us that are willing to shell out some $$ Medellin has 4 or 5 known strip clubs, Gustos in Parque Lleras (overpriced for what is available) and the mansion (mostly sub-par gals). SP has escort sites and many more clinicas to hunt in.
Winner: Sao Paulo.
Cost: Flight to and from SP going to be higher. Travel time longer. Hotels in each are comparable. I suspect SP has more hotels that are guest friendly. I stayed in two different hotels in SP and neither had an issue or asked for ID from my guests I walked in with. Daytime action in both places can be had for on the cheap, but Medellin had some places for 25 bucks and hour. Overall girls going to be at least twice the cost in SP vs. Medellin. Gems can be found in both places. I JUST returned from Medellin and had several all night sessions for $75 USA These are NON-fatties that would get glanced at walking anywhere. Remember, I am on the wrong side of 60. Night clubs for p4 p in SP extremely expensive. But I was there to enjoy. I did not throw money around, would not buy random drinks, but I like to enjoy 6-8 beers over a period of 4-5 hours and buy a few lady drinks. Always spend 120-160 USA Per average night on entry and drinks. That did not include taking a lady out.
Average I paid for guest to come to my hotel next day 130 US My favorite spend the night for $200. US I always paid in reals, but easier for some to use dollars here for comparision. My average session in Medellin in my hotel for an hour plus was 65-75 US Overnights I also got for 75, but I took them out for drinks / food.
Cost winner: Medellin.
Performace: This is the toughest one. I am a firm believer in YOUR personality (fun factor). Some guys like kissing, some like anal, well you get the drift. If you are there just to pound out as many as you can, Medellin wins. This past trip I kept down to 5 gals. Repeated with 3, as I enjoyed the GFE / PSE. Found a 21 year old who was over the top and never been with a gringo. Diamond.
Overall Brazilian gals were almost always performers. Sometimes I could not finish, old age / booze, and the woman seemed frustrated if I did not finish. Tried to finish with the help of my own hand with one gal and she would not allow it! Sucked until SHE was happy.
Perfomance: TIE Too many variables.
Apologize if the report is a bit scattered and hard to read. My word processor has crashed a dozen times and it became frustrating. Feel free to PM me for opinions. OH, I will be back in SP in September for the month. Expensive. But I am not getting any younger.
Sure, Wyattearp.
That ass was natural, and TBH being from a girl in her mid twenties, bit african brazilian, she already had some stretch marks near the ass when standing. But once in doggy, it was the way I like them when big size, and smooth skin. Some models when they don't sleep enough hours, keep water in their bottom tissues.
It felt like a cushion, my balls smoothly stopped when I was fucking her from behind. A different feeling when you fuck a tight small fitness ass for example.
I'm sure she spent lots of money on skin care and focalized massages. These girls live in spas after hours.
Jajajajaja.
[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2726179]I'm curious. Do you think your friend's ass is natural?
I'm not trying to criticize her. I am genuinely interested in your opinion and if her ass has some augmentation how does it feel.[/QUOTE]
At Jet69 this is an excellent report. Thanks so much. Next time, you may stay in Bouborn Conventional Hotel or Tuse flat hotet. It's more convenient and you may walk to all those clinicas in Moema.
I am going to Medellin in a couple of weeks. It'd be my first time. I was browsing Medellin forum but couldn't find reports like this one of yours. Could you please provide some information / advise such as where to stay and where to hunt?
Thanks.
[QUOTE=Jet69;2726317]An "extended" stay in Sao Paulo, early May thru early June. First ever trip to Brazil.
Quick background, I am on the wrong side of 60, try and stay in ok shape. I budgeted a little extra for a 12 day stay in SP. I prefer slimmer gals vs. The big ass types. I have traveled extensively, so am well versed in the sport. I read thru the last 100 pages of the ISG forum and took extensive notes for my trip. There are too many posters to thank, but to those that have posted trip reports a BIG thanks!
This was my first trip to Brazil. Skipped Rio. Don't care for beaches / tourist spots.
I was solo the entire trip. Was hoping to meet some ISG members, but it was not a priority and did not happen. Did communicate with a few and they were helpful.
Quick tips.
Cash is almost never used in Sao Paulo. Bring at least 2 credit cards. Credit cards are used everywhere. The only time I used cash was to pay a girl. ATM card and cash as a back up. Exception was shopping at the mall. My international credit card would not always get accepted at the stores. This is normal. It's not your card, its their card scanner that can't accept the card. Never an issue at a club or restaurant.
I stayed in Moema. The Mercure Hotel was good for my initial stay of 11 nights. Looks much nicer from the outside, but is adequate. I NEVER had an issue bringing a girl back. Simply walked directly to the elevator with the gal in tow.
Moema is safe. Brazilian food (spices?) was just ok. The small mom and pop places did not have anything appetizing for me.
Uber black or comfort. The basic Uber often canceled. Especially at night, use black.
Clothes. During May I experienced some cool / cold weather. Jeans are the norm. Bring some long sleeved shirts for the nights. Shorts are ok for Sunday walks. There is a giant park close to Moema. Tons of people on weekends.
Go to Sao Paulo (SP from here on in) knowing it's a huge city with not much to do unless you speak Portuguese. I went knowing 0 words. I did fine, but there is A LOT of down time unless you prepare. I brought my firestick loaded with programs to watch T. V. And movies. Forgot my book / kindle.
First and foremost, Sao Paulo is MUCH more expensive than say Medellin, Colombia. I was in SP in May and Medellin in July. For those on a budget or just don't like to spend much, Sao Paulo is NOT for you unless you do the afternoon / evening places (clinicas).
Brief trip report from May as I got lazy to write a report, but owe it to the few that have contributed to my trip.
Long ass flight from Chicago with layover in Panama. Got to my room 2 am Uber from Airport to hotel a breeze. Quick hint, after being in Colombia dozens and dozens of times, I just assumed to sit in front right seat of Uber. The norm is to sit in the back, like a taxi. Medellin is different, sit in the front so you don't look like you are in a pay-4-ride car.
My first day was a Monday and I had planned not much going on after dark. I explored the area on foot and it was safe. Based on a review posted here on ISG I scheduled a meeting in a nearby hotel with a gal from one of the escort sites. Hotel guest required ID, took my photo and called her room. Waited for 10 minutes and was sent up. Girl was pretty but my spider alarm said she was not the girl. Did not leave as she was pretty enough. No shower offered (strange to me and another red flag) but I was horny and ready for some Brazil action. No greeting kisses offered (yes, I know but this was my first time in Brazil) and I later learned this is unusual. Off came my clothes and she then wants money up front. Naked and now knowing I was with a crap gal, I went thru with the deal. Brazilian encounter number 1 was a bust. I left with a WTF thought process thinking SP was not going to be for me.
Clinicas day 2. I had stopped in at Clinica 57 the day before and checked out the talent. Several doable gals around 2 pm, but a roster of only 5. This day I went for the lineup at Abbobora. Gals come out from a back room (all clinicas basically do same accept for tablet based places) and introduce themselves. I can barley hear what they say and never can understand their names. Maybe 10 gals presented and 2 of them were at least 8's. Desk gal asked my choice and I had no clue. I asked for a list of the girls names and she wrote them down, but was not overly pleasant about it. Waited for another guest to arrive so I could see the lineup again and was able to choose a gal. Cost, around 60 USA For an hour and service was very good. DFK, BBBJ and then covered. I don't do anal. Not my thing.
I returned to Abborora 2 or 3 other times and had good service. One finished with CIM.
Doesn't pay to describe each of the other Clinicas but the drill is the same. My only advice is to take a pen and paper and write the names down of the girls you like. Also, write down the addresses of each as google maps was off on Moema Prime and I initially could not find it.
I did not think I would like the tablet based lineups but gave one of them a try. Lotus Lounge, short uber ride away. They have a website. This was my go to place but much more expensive. I think it was 130 ish USA For an hour. Rooms were much nicer, no mattress on the floor crap. Decent shower / hotub. You never see the gal until she enters the room. Four sessions at the place with one repeat. One just average session and 3 were worth every penny.
Night Clubs (Boates). Damn they start late but I love the hunt. Started out with the top place, Scandallo. Yup, 80 ish bucks to enter. Every one of the places operates pretty much the same. Doorman pats you down, you enter and there were like 8 receptionists to present your ID too. Have a GOOD copy of your passport. I was almost not allowed in with a copy I had folded and unfolded a few times. ALL of the clubs give you a CREDIT CARD to account for your drinks. You pay when you leave at each club and pay an exit fee if you take a gal with. So my first impression? Eighty-ninety percent of the available woman at 10 pm Not my type. But with 100-150 available woman, 20 were VERY doable. Good thing they dress nice and most are not aggressive. Some are and I was asked on more than one occasion to buy a drink for someone I had no interest in. I did not see anything above an 8. 5 my first night.
Before I forget, I am no Bratt Pitt, but have a sense of humor. Given the chance I can have girls enjoying some laughs even without much Portuguese. Prior to my trip I had planned on sample testing the girls on site prior to any invites to my hotel. I quickly broke this goal. I only had one session on site.
I won't give an every night replay of my trip, those get boring and everyone has different experiences based on their personality and budget.
My first night at Scandallo a tall model body type sat next to me at the bar. Long legs peaking out from underneath the slit in her dress. Smiles exchanged and the next 2 hours it was full on flirting and drinks. She was not a drink * but I kept offering. Full on DFK and her hand was stroking me whenever she could. Told her upfront, not going to session that night. Too much too drink and if the effort to screw and finish at my age, not going to happen. Got her number, gave her 200 reals, and said goodnight. Next day negotiations. Got her down to 1000 to spend the night. Spent several nights with her and ended up BBFS, something I rarely do. My last night in SP I TOOK her to Scandallo. Ate, drank and she invited her friends (some HOT) to DFK with us. Two girls and me DFK. I bought them drinks and was offered three sums, but passed.
Went to 3 other clubs during my stay. Casarao Augusta, 30 minute uber ride from Moema. 50 real entry and talent level was less, but still a FEW doable and I picked up 3 out of there. Caf Foto. Went once and it is classy and smaller. Girls don't approach. Would go back. Bahamas in Moema. Not mentioned much here but worth stopping in. Met the owner who claimed he owned Penthouse and Hustler magazine business in Brazil.
Bottom line, is it worth going to SP? Yes and no.
My 11 night trip turned into 24. I got Covid there. No need to go into details as the required test to return to USA Not needed. But getting sick in Brazil. Not good.
Comparing Medellin, Colombia to Sao Paulo. I have been to Medellin DOZENS of times over the past 8 years. I wanted to try something different as Medellin has become over-run with tourists / mongers. Areas that were fun to go to 5 years ago have turned into tourist rip of places because of the ignorant and boisterous. Just my opinion.
Beauty of woman: Overall the prettiest woman of the two countries is Colombia. During my almost 1 month stay in SP, the woman I saw on the streets, everyday woman, are of no comparison to the beauty of woman in Colombia. With that said, the working woman of both countries are fantastic.
Winner: Medellin.
Availability: Sao Paulo is a MUCH bigger city and with that probably had more available. The plus for SP is there are more clubs at night to go to that offer the female gender for us that are willing to shell out some $$ Medellin has 4 or 5 known strip clubs, Gustos in Parque Lleras (overpriced for what is available) and the mansion (mostly sub-par gals). SP has escort sites and many more clinicas to hunt in.
Winner: Sao Paulo.
Cost: Flight to and from SP going to be higher. Travel time longer. Hotels in each are comparable. I suspect SP has more hotels that are guest friendly. I stayed in two different hotels in SP and neither had an issue or asked for ID from my guests I walked in with. Daytime action in both places can be had for on the cheap, but Medellin had some places for 25 bucks and hour. Overall girls going to be at least twice the cost in SP vs. Medellin. Gems can be found in both places. I JUST returned from Medellin and had several all night sessions for $75 USA These are NON-fatties that would get glanced at walking anywhere. Remember, I am on the wrong side of 60. Night clubs for P4P in SP extremely expensive. But I was there to enjoy. I did not throw money around, would not buy random drinks, but I like to enjoy 6-8 beers over a period of 4-5 hours and buy a few lady drinks. Always spend 120-160 USA Per average night on entry and drinks. That did not include taking a lady out.
Average I paid for guest to come to my hotel next day 130 US My favorite spend the night for $200. US I always paid in reals, but easier for some to use dollars here for comparision. My average session in Medellin in my hotel for an hour plus was 65-75 US Overnights I also got for 75, but I took them out for drinks / food.
Cost winner: Medellin.
Performace: This is the toughest one. I am a firm believer in YOUR personality (fun factor). Some guys like kissing, some like anal, well you get the drift. If you are there just to pound out as many as you can, Medellin wins. This past trip I kept down to 5 gals. Repeated with 3, as I enjoyed the GFE / PSE. Found a 21 year old who was over the top and never been with a gringo. Diamond.
Overall Brazilian gals were almost always performers. Sometimes I could not finish, old age / booze, and the woman seemed frustrated if I did not finish. Tried to finish with the help of my own hand with one gal and she would not allow it! Sucked until SHE was happy.
Perfomance: TIE Too many variables.
Apologize if the report is a bit scattered and hard to read. My word processor has crashed a dozen times and it became frustrating. Feel free to PM me for opinions. OH, I will be back in SP in September for the month. Expensive. But I am not getting any younger.[/QUOTE]
Wow, your first time in Brazil but I feel like you know more than all of us LOL.
So you met Oscar Maroni? Bald guy who owns Bahamas? He's actually pretty famous. His daughter was a contestant on Masterchef Brazil haha.
[QUOTE=Jet69;2726317]An "extended" stay in Sao Paulo, early May thru early June. First ever trip to Brazil.
Quick background, I am on the wrong side of 60, try and stay in ok shape. I budgeted a little extra for a 12 day stay in SP. I prefer slimmer gals vs. The big ass types. I have traveled extensively, so am well versed in the sport. I read thru the last 100 pages of the ISG forum and took extensive notes for my trip. There are too many posters to thank, but to those that have posted trip reports a BIG thanks!
This was my first trip to Brazil. Skipped Rio. Don't care for beaches / tourist spots.
I was solo the entire trip. Was hoping to meet some ISG members, but it was not a priority and did not happen. Did communicate with a few and they were helpful.
Quick tips.
Cash is almost never used in Sao Paulo. Bring at least 2 credit cards. Credit cards are used everywhere. The only time I used cash was to pay a girl. ATM card and cash as a back up. Exception was shopping at the mall. My international credit card would not always get accepted at the stores. This is normal. It's not your card, its their card scanner that can't accept the card. Never an issue at a club or restaurant.
I stayed in Moema. The Mercure Hotel was good for my initial stay of 11 nights. Looks much nicer from the outside, but is adequate. I NEVER had an issue bringing a girl back. Simply walked directly to the elevator with the gal in tow.
Moema is safe. Brazilian food (spices?) was just ok. The small mom and pop places did not have anything appetizing for me.
Uber black or comfort. The basic Uber often canceled. Especially at night, use black.
Clothes. During May I experienced some cool / cold weather. Jeans are the norm. Bring some long sleeved shirts for the nights. Shorts are ok for Sunday walks. There is a giant park close to Moema. Tons of people on weekends.
Go to Sao Paulo (SP from here on in) knowing it's a huge city with not much to do unless you speak Portuguese. I went knowing 0 words. I did fine, but there is A LOT of down time unless you prepare. I brought my firestick loaded with programs to watch T. V. And movies. Forgot my book / kindle.
First and foremost, Sao Paulo is MUCH more expensive than say Medellin, Colombia. I was in SP in May and Medellin in July. For those on a budget or just don't like to spend much, Sao Paulo is NOT for you unless you do the afternoon / evening places (clinicas).
Brief trip report from May as I got lazy to write a report, but owe it to the few that have contributed to my trip.
Long ass flight from Chicago with layover in Panama. Got to my room 2 am Uber from Airport to hotel a breeze. Quick hint, after being in Colombia dozens and dozens of times, I just assumed to sit in front right seat of Uber. The norm is to sit in the back, like a taxi. Medellin is different, sit in the front so you don't look like you are in a pay-4-ride car.
My first day was a Monday and I had planned not much going on after dark. I explored the area on foot and it was safe. Based on a review posted here on ISG I scheduled a meeting in a nearby hotel with a gal from one of the escort sites. Hotel guest required ID, took my photo and called her room. Waited for 10 minutes and was sent up. Girl was pretty but my spider alarm said she was not the girl. Did not leave as she was pretty enough. No shower offered (strange to me and another red flag) but I was horny and ready for some Brazil action. No greeting kisses offered (yes, I know but this was my first time in Brazil) and I later learned this is unusual. Off came my clothes and she then wants money up front. Naked and now knowing I was with a crap gal, I went thru with the deal. Brazilian encounter number 1 was a bust. I left with a WTF thought process thinking SP was not going to be for me.
Clinicas day 2. I had stopped in at Clinica 57 the day before and checked out the talent. Several doable gals around 2 pm, but a roster of only 5. This day I went for the lineup at Abbobora. Gals come out from a back room (all clinicas basically do same accept for tablet based places) and introduce themselves. I can barley hear what they say and never can understand their names. Maybe 10 gals presented and 2 of them were at least 8's. Desk gal asked my choice and I had no clue. I asked for a list of the girls names and she wrote them down, but was not overly pleasant about it. Waited for another guest to arrive so I could see the lineup again and was able to choose a gal. Cost, around 60 USA For an hour and service was very good. DFK, BBBJ and then covered. I don't do anal. Not my thing.
I returned to Abborora 2 or 3 other times and had good service. One finished with CIM.
Doesn't pay to describe each of the other Clinicas but the drill is the same. My only advice is to take a pen and paper and write the names down of the girls you like. Also, write down the addresses of each as google maps was off on Moema Prime and I initially could not find it.
I did not think I would like the tablet based lineups but gave one of them a try. Lotus Lounge, short uber ride away. They have a website. This was my go to place but much more expensive. I think it was 130 ish USA For an hour. Rooms were much nicer, no mattress on the floor crap. Decent shower / hotub. You never see the gal until she enters the room. Four sessions at the place with one repeat. One just average session and 3 were worth every penny.
Night Clubs (Boates). Damn they start late but I love the hunt. Started out with the top place, Scandallo. Yup, 80 ish bucks to enter. Every one of the places operates pretty much the same. Doorman pats you down, you enter and there were like 8 receptionists to present your ID too. Have a GOOD copy of your passport. I was almost not allowed in with a copy I had folded and unfolded a few times. ALL of the clubs give you a CREDIT CARD to account for your drinks. You pay when you leave at each club and pay an exit fee if you take a gal with. So my first impression? Eighty-ninety percent of the available woman at 10 pm Not my type. But with 100-150 available woman, 20 were VERY doable. Good thing they dress nice and most are not aggressive. Some are and I was asked on more than one occasion to buy a drink for someone I had no interest in. I did not see anything above an 8. 5 my first night.
Before I forget, I am no Bratt Pitt, but have a sense of humor. Given the chance I can have girls enjoying some laughs even without much Portuguese. Prior to my trip I had planned on sample testing the girls on site prior to any invites to my hotel. I quickly broke this goal. I only had one session on site.
I won't give an every night replay of my trip, those get boring and everyone has different experiences based on their personality and budget.
My first night at Scandallo a tall model body type sat next to me at the bar. Long legs peaking out from underneath the slit in her dress. Smiles exchanged and the next 2 hours it was full on flirting and drinks. She was not a drink * but I kept offering. Full on DFK and her hand was stroking me whenever she could. Told her upfront, not going to session that night. Too much too drink and if the effort to screw and finish at my age, not going to happen. Got her number, gave her 200 reals, and said goodnight. Next day negotiations. Got her down to 1000 to spend the night. Spent several nights with her and ended up BBFS, something I rarely do. My last night in SP I TOOK her to Scandallo. Ate, drank and she invited her friends (some HOT) to DFK with us. Two girls and me DFK. I bought them drinks and was offered three sums, but passed.
Went to 3 other clubs during my stay. Casarao Augusta, 30 minute uber ride from Moema. 50 real entry and talent level was less, but still a FEW doable and I picked up 3 out of there. Caf Foto. Went once and it is classy and smaller. Girls don't approach. Would go back. Bahamas in Moema. Not mentioned much here but worth stopping in. Met the owner who claimed he owned Penthouse and Hustler magazine business in Brazil.
Bottom line, is it worth going to SP? Yes and no.
My 11 night trip turned into 24. I got Covid there. No need to go into details as the required test to return to USA Not needed. But getting sick in Brazil. Not good.
Comparing Medellin, Colombia to Sao Paulo. I have been to Medellin DOZENS of times over the past 8 years. I wanted to try something different as Medellin has become over-run with tourists / mongers. Areas that were fun to go to 5 years ago have turned into tourist rip of places because of the ignorant and boisterous. Just my opinion.
Beauty of woman: Overall the prettiest woman of the two countries is Colombia. During my almost 1 month stay in SP, the woman I saw on the streets, everyday woman, are of no comparison to the beauty of woman in Colombia. With that said, the working woman of both countries are fantastic.
Winner: Medellin.
Availability: Sao Paulo is a MUCH bigger city and with that probably had more available. The plus for SP is there are more clubs at night to go to that offer the female gender for us that are willing to shell out some $$ Medellin has 4 or 5 known strip clubs, Gustos in Parque Lleras (overpriced for what is available) and the mansion (mostly sub-par gals). SP has escort sites and many more clinicas to hunt in.
Winner: Sao Paulo.
Cost: Flight to and from SP going to be higher. Travel time longer. Hotels in each are comparable. I suspect SP has more hotels that are guest friendly. I stayed in two different hotels in SP and neither had an issue or asked for ID from my guests I walked in with. Daytime action in both places can be had for on the cheap, but Medellin had some places for 25 bucks and hour. Overall girls going to be at least twice the cost in SP vs. Medellin. Gems can be found in both places. I JUST returned from Medellin and had several all night sessions for $75 USA These are NON-fatties that would get glanced at walking anywhere. Remember, I am on the wrong side of 60. Night clubs for p4 p in SP extremely expensive. But I was there to enjoy. I did not throw money around, would not buy random drinks, but I like to enjoy 6-8 beers over a period of 4-5 hours and buy a few lady drinks. Always spend 120-160 USA Per average night on entry and drinks. That did not include taking a lady out.
Average I paid for guest to come to my hotel next day 130 US My favorite spend the night for $200. US I always paid in reals, but easier for some to use dollars here for comparision. My average session in Medellin in my hotel for an hour plus was 65-75 US Overnights I also got for 75, but I took them out for drinks / food.
Cost winner: Medellin.
Performace: This is the toughest one. I am a firm believer in YOUR personality (fun factor). Some guys like kissing, some like anal, well you get the drift. If you are there just to pound out as many as you can, Medellin wins. This past trip I kept down to 5 gals. Repeated with 3, as I enjoyed the GFE / PSE. Found a 21 year old who was over the top and never been with a gringo. Diamond.
Overall Brazilian gals were almost always performers. Sometimes I could not finish, old age / booze, and the woman seemed frustrated if I did not finish. Tried to finish with the help of my own hand with one gal and she would not allow it! Sucked until SHE was happy.
Perfomance: TIE Too many variables.
Apologize if the report is a bit scattered and hard to read. My word processor has crashed a dozen times and it became frustrating. Feel free to PM me for opinions. OH, I will be back in SP in September for the month. Expensive. But I am not getting any younger.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=TheCane;2725201]According to my own way of thinking, the two go together. That is, if one consistently spends more than they earn, then by definition they can't afford what they're spending on.[/QUOTE]They do. But also think about this, will your perspective change if you monger all year long in other countries. That may also include far less pay with more freedom.
If you have enough saving to allow you to monger modestly everyday for the rest of your life, will you quit your job now?
[QUOTE=Jet69;2726317]An "extended" stay in Sao Paulo, early May thru early June. First ever trip to Brazil.....I am on the wrong side of 60, try and stay in ok shape.
[b]OH, I will be back in SP in September for the month. Expensive. But I am not getting any younger.[/b][/QUOTE]LOL!! Good report. I look forward to your September report.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2726474]They do. But also think about this, will your perspective change if you monger all year long in other countries. That may also include far less pay with more freedom.
If you have enough saving to allow you to monger modestly everyday for the rest of your life, will you quit your job now?[/QUOTE]I don't have a desire to monger every day for the rest of my life, modestly or otherwise. I've never wanted that. I have plenty of other interests besides mongering LOL! However, I do want to monger periodically throughout the year [B]extravagantly[/B] hehehe!
[QUOTE=Jet69;2726317]Cash is almost never used in Sao Paulo. Bring at least 2 credit cards. Credit cards are used everywhere. The only time I used cash was to pay a girl. ATM card and cash as a back up. Exception was shopping at the mall. My international credit card would not always get accepted at the stores. This is normal. It's not your card, its their card scanner that can't accept the card. Never an issue at a club or restaurant.[/QUOTE]Enjoyed your report, but totally don't get this part. Anybody who has been to Brazil knows that cash is king! In fact, the typical advisory is to avoid using a credit card when you can because there are too many card skim scams in Brazil. I used to travel with lots of cash on me in the beginning, but now I just use my ATM card to withdraw whatever money I need each day (my bank reimburses any and all ATM fees). Yes, have some credit cards for selective uses (I have paid hotel bills with a credit card for example). But otherwise I say operate mostly in cash when in Brazil. Your credit card might get declined (or worse yet skimmed), but [B]everybody[/B] takes cash! Don't know what happened to give you a different impression.
Falar Portoguese como um japones.
Vagabundo has been watching various Youtube channels about how to learn the local culture, and this one caught my eye, and seems appropo to the SP thread. Because SP is the biggest concentration of Japanese outside of Japan, apparently (correct me if I am wrong). Since Vagabundo is part of the masterace of eurasians (a joke), he is attuned to racial differences more than most.
Brasileiro SURPREENDE japoneses ao falar japonês fluente.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/c/NinkiJapon%C3%AAsOnline[/URL]
3rd week in SP, I feel I'm finally understanding the options better and getting what I want. Which is one or two sugar babies for the few months I'm here.
After a hint from a girl I met on Seeking, I started using MeuPatrocinio which is a local sugar dating website. Vastly more options than Seeking, however fewer to none girls who speak any English. Some prices seemed a bit lower (Seeking has gringo pricing) but for the good options, it wasn't much difference. *Notably, many of the university girls I met there are less interested in short-term relationships, having had medium to long-term relationships in the past with rich Brazilians.
Last week I met a cute Instagram influencer there and we had two dates, both at great restaurants, good conversation (in my broken but improving Portuguese), and sex was good too. She also works online and loves traveling so we may do that together.
I really hit the jackpot towards the end of the week, where I met a 21 year old college student, gym body with similar dietary preferences and interests (since when are cute girls into video games? We spoke constantly throughout the evening about everything including her ex and my visits to sex clubs. Sex was amazing. She commended on liking my dick (I'm very average) and how she really liked some of the sexual positions we tried. The next day I'm getting messages about her missing me and some difficult to translate comments about a "ring". Made plans for another date this week where she'll spend the night.
Other notable highlights from this week:
- Scandallo on Thursday night as usual requires staying up until 10-11 pm to find a good option. Met a smoking hot darker skinned girl with enhanced chest and big ass. I'm not usually into thicker girls but her face was a 10, and her body was very proportional. Her performance was a bit more GFE than other Scandallo girls, but still relatively low effort for her. I came twice and we exchanged contact information.
- Went to Lotus Lounge and met another cute girl who provided great GFE. Sadly, I had more tingling feelings in the lips and some neck pain the next few days. Due to health risks I'll forgo clinicas and other high volume girls in the future. Which is so sad because these girls have the best personalities imo. Completely submissive and very experienced at sex.
- Went to Cafe Photo (not Foto) on Saturday. Dead. Bunch of fat girls, old girls and black girls. No thanks. Very impressed by the building and staff. Good music. Want to see the place succeed because it's closer than Scandallo. Even so, not a location to go to during the weekend. The main takeaways here are, when in Brazil, act like a Brazilian. Meet your hot girls during the week and make plans with them for the weekend. The clubs (including Scandallo) aren't so great on weekends.
[QUOTE=TheCane;2726493]Enjoyed your report, but totally don't get this part. Anybody who has been to Brazil knows that cash is king! In fact, the typical advisory is to avoid using a credit card when you can because there are too many card skim scams in Brazil. I used to travel with lots of cash on me in the beginning, but now I just use my ATM card to withdraw whatever money I need each day (my bank reimburses any and all ATM fees). Yes, have some credit cards for selective uses (I have paid hotel bills with a credit card for example). But otherwise I say operate mostly in cash when in Brazil. Your credit card might get declined (or worse yet skimmed), but [B]everybody[/B] takes cash! Don't know what happened to give you a different impression.[/QUOTE]As Jet69 said, credit card usage is very high in SP and Rio. I had used them everywhere including restaurants, clubs, stores and small shops during my first couple of trips to SP. After a food court merchant in Ibirapuera mall charged my CC R500 for a R25 bill, I am bit careful with where I use my CC. Luckily I noticed the charge so I could able to dispute it and get my money back.
Cash is still accepted everywhere but I have noticed some merchants had trouble breaking bills (maybe because of low cash usage) and visibly annoyed when I used cash.
[QUOTE=TheCane;2726493]Enjoyed your report, but totally don't get this part. Anybody who has been to Brazil knows that cash is king! In fact, the typical advisory is to avoid using a credit card when you can because there are too many card skim scams in Brazil. I used to travel with lots of cash on me in the beginning, but now I just use my ATM card to withdraw whatever money I need each day (my bank reimburses any and all ATM fees). Yes, have some credit cards for selective uses (I have paid hotel bills with a credit card for example). But otherwise I say operate mostly in cash when in Brazil. Your credit card might get declined (or worse yet skimmed), but [B]everybody[/B] takes cash! Don't know what happened to give you a different impression.[/QUOTE]Definitely high CC usage in SP. First time when I was in SP, I went to the mall and tried to get coffee at a shop. Gave her my CC and the machine didn't take the card, and then I gave her what I had is 50 R, and she didn't have change in the register so I had to walk to another coffee shop to buy some coffee. They don't expect you to use cash.
[QUOTE=TheCane;2726493]Enjoyed your report, but totally don't get this part. Anybody who has been to Brazil knows that cash is king! ....[/QUOTE]I think you should get your ass here ASAP. Some of your information are out dated. Also unlike in US, here they scan your card in front of you, and often it is contactless.
[QUOTE=Lalabo;2726611]Cash is still accepted everywhere.[/QUOTE]And that was exactly my point. The guy's post made it sound like it isn't, which makes no sense, and nobody before him had said anything like that.
You are right to a point about cash. Yes, everybody accepts cash. What happened to me on MANY occasions was the scramble to get me change for even small purchases with small bills. I also noted what the locals were using and that is what changed my mind about cash vs cards. Not sure what kind of cards they use (credit vs debt), but my guess is they were using a card 95 plus percent of the time. Even at the self-serve laundry mat. So yes, cash is accepted but it was often more of a hassle. I NEVER saw anyone using cash at a restaurant including Burger King and McDonalds.
Your card skimmer issue is not an issue with me. I get instant notifications if my card is used. My card never left my site and yes it could happen. Not arguing that point. But it could happen as easily here in the good 'ole USA as Brazil.
Thanks for the compliment, though I made some errors in the report. I appreciate the info you have provided in the past.
What I would add / correct about my report:
SP woman WIN the performance aspect vs. Medellin. I reflected a bit and hands down SP wins, though I just had some fantastic sessions in Medellin as of last week.
Scandallo expectations. I finally came up with in my mind what I envisioned Scandallo woman would be like PRIOR to my trip and in reality having visited on several nights.
I was hoping the gals would be like the 50 (that are all lined up with briefcases from DEAL OR NO DEAL show from years back. Nothing close to that. Again, 80 plus percent of the females were undoable for me. There were some that were in fact fat, ugly or both. I had one gigantic beast come up to me and said, "let's go, you can fuck me in the ass". GROSS.
If you plan a trip and plan to be in SP for more than 10 days, plan ahead for activities, things to do besides monger.
[QUOTE=TheCane;2726493]Enjoyed your report, but totally don't get this part. Anybody who has been to Brazil knows that cash is king! In fact, the typical advisory is to avoid using a credit card when you can because there are too many card skim scams in Brazil. I used to travel with lots of cash on me in the beginning, but now I just use my ATM card to withdraw whatever money I need each day (my bank reimburses any and all ATM fees). Yes, have some credit cards for selective uses (I have paid hotel bills with a credit card for example). But otherwise I say operate mostly in cash when in Brazil. Your credit card might get declined (or worse yet skimmed), but [B]everybody[/B] takes cash! Don't know what happened to give you a different impression.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Nounce;2726641]I think you should get your ass here ASAP. Some of your information are out dated. Also unlike in US, here they scan your card in front of you, and often it is contactless.[/QUOTE]So saying that [B]everybody[/B] accepts cash (making cash king) is outdated information? Hahaha! That's just a plain silly assertion. Let me tell you something. I've traveled to Brazil far, far more times than these newbies writing reports (and you too). And what I know is that some things just don't change. Go around using a credit card willy nilly in Brazil if you want to, and you're just asking for trouble. And don't think you can't be skim scammed just because somebody scanned the card right in front of you (read / heard of that happening too)! If anything, people are more desperate now in these challenging times making things even worse. I will continue to use cash heavily (I mean why not [B]everybody[/B] accepts it LOL) with a nice mix of bills that I always have to help in making change.
And when I withdraw that cash from the ATMs, I will always use the precautions that have been discussed on this board many, many times over the years. Plus I will get any and all ATM fees returned to me because my bank refunds them. Works for me, and I don't ever have to worry about any of my credit cards being compromised by a thief. I will use a credit card here and there for certain things, like hotels and higher end restaurants and stores (I didn't say I [B]never[/B] use a credit card in Brazil), but I will be selective and judicious in such use. Of course, you could get robbed of cash right (so far never happened not even close knock on wood). Well another well-known principle is never carry more cash on you at one time than you're willing to lose.
It all comes with risks. I'll take the risk of acquiring and spending cash over letting every Tomas, Ricardo, and Jorge have access to my credit card info. At any rate, I don't buy (no pun intended) that things have changed so much in Brazil in such a relatively little amount of time to where you don't have to worry about using a credit card there anymore. Show me some reliable hard facts and data somewhere, and then maybe. Until then, I won't be ignoring history as the best predictor of the future is the past. For me, that means spending mostly in cash, and using a credit card selectively here and there. All have been warned. Don't let a "skim scam man" do it to you!
Agreed.
It's frustrating how few cab drivers make change for even 50.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2726641]I think you should get your ass here ASAP. Some of your information are out dated. Also unlike in US, here they scan your card in front of you, and often it is contactless.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=TheCane;2726490]I don't have a desire to monger every day for the rest of my life, modestly or otherwise. I've never wanted that. I have plenty of other interests besides mongering LOL! However, I do want to monger periodically throughout the year [B]extravagantly[/B] hehehe![/QUOTE]I too have several other (can be considered full time) interests that are higher on my list than mongering. I am also very interested in my professional field. The situation is applicable similarly for me because they all involve travelling except my job.
[QUOTE=TheCane;2725922]...As a matter of fact, it's been rare for me to meet any English-speaking girls at any of the clubs in Sampa, including other alleged "tourist traps" like Scandallo. ...[/QUOTE]I think it may have to do with the location. There was one day last year, I rode Uber to an apartment in Bela Vista. The Uber driver spoke English and he recommended me to go to a club Caf Piu Piu which I went another night. Caf Piu Piu had a live band playing covers of American oldies from band like Journey and the crowd sang alone. When I arrived at the apartment, a girl happened to come out and she spoke English to me to help me ring the apartment. That night, I went to Bar dos Arcos. The door person who is a slender trans-person spoke some English. After I sat down in the bar, there was a couple to my left greeted me with English. Then the bartender spoke English to me too. Later the roommate of the bartender came and sat on the right. He spoke English too. Asked me if I wanted drugs, or girls and maybe tried to hit on me. LOL. All of these happened on the same day. I know you talked about club and girls. I thought it was funny that I met so many English speaking Brazilians in one day.
Best is to be able to work remotely as a digital nomad, and to be retired from one career, or semi-retired.
For example, being a retired Lieutenant Commander, Swiss Navy, but running some do re mi for myself and for Union Bank of Switzerland private clients (who have left, haha) would be ideal. You know, we Swiss Navy only care about pirate bounty and prize ships.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2726709]I think it may have to do with the location. There was one day last year, I rode Uber to an apartment in Bela Vista. The Uber driver spoke English and he recommended me to go to a club Caf Piu Piu which I went another night. Caf Piu Piu had a live band playing covers of American oldies from band like Journey and the crowd sang alone. When I arrived at the apartment, a girl happened to come out and she spoke English to me to help me ring the apartment. That night, I went to Bar dos Arcos. The door person who is a slender trans-person spoke some English. After I sat down in the bar, there was a couple to my left greeted me with English. Then the bartender spoke English to me too. Later the roommate of the bartender came and sat on the right. He spoke English too. Asked me if I want drugs, or girls and maybe tried to hit on me. LOL. All of these happened on the same day. I know you talked about club and girls. I thought it was an interesting date that I met so many English speaking Brazilians in one day.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=DanielMatt;2726449]...
I am going to Medellin in a couple of weeks. It'd be my first time. I was browsing Medellin forum but couldn't find reports like this one of yours. Could you please provide some information / advise such as where to stay and where to hunt?
[/QUOTE]I answered some questions here. Look up EB's recent report for lodging. Stay in San Peter for lower cost option.
[QUOTE=N;2726471]If you have that budget, read this post. ....[/QUOTE]The other place with girls on site is Mansion. Medellin has greater quantity than Sao Paulo but it may take some work. Sao Paulo has much better clubs.
BBBJ and DFK are common without asking in Sao Paulo clinicas and clubs, but it is the opposite in Medellin casas and clubs. That is what this post is about.
[QUOTE=Combo;2726361]1 million each and no BBBJ. Might be the most absurd thing I've ever read on here.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Nounce;2726709]I think it may have to do with the location. There was one day last year, I rode Uber to an apartment in Bela Vista. The Uber driver spoke English and he recommended me to go to a club Caf Piu Piu which I went another night. Caf Piu Piu had a live band playing covers of American oldies from band like Journey and the crowd sang alone. When I arrived at the apartment, a girl happened to come out and she spoke English to me to help me ring the apartment. That night, I went to Bar dos Arcos. The door person who is a slender trans-person spoke some English. After I sat down in the bar, there was a couple to my left greeted me with English. Then the bartender spoke English to me too. Later the roommate of the bartender came and sat on the right. He spoke English too. Asked me if I wanted drugs, or girls and maybe tried to hit on me. LOL. All of these happened on the same day. I know you talked about club and girls. I thought it was funny that I met so many English speaking Brazilians in one day.[/QUOTE]I have found a significant amount of Paulistanos (SP Brasilians) understand and speak English. The question is when do they speak english? [B]When they "choose to." However, they do understand you[/B]. One reason they speak english is that Sao Paulo is the Financial Capital of Brasil and many US Based Multinational companies (in addition to other international companies where English is spoken as the "language of business / commerce") do significant business in SP and Brasil as a whole. Usually the Brasilian based employees of these multinational companies speak english among other languages.
So yes a lot of Paulistanos (and Brasilians as a whole in certain locations, service / tourist industries, and education levels) do speak english outside of work enviroments if they "choose to. " and have a interest in you.
With all that being said it's best for Anyone, If they can and have the time and will to Learn and Understand Portuguese. Your experiences in Brasil will be greatly enhanced.
[QUOTE=Lalabo;2726611]After a food court merchant in Ibirapuera mall charged my CC R500 for a R25 bill, I am bit careful with where I use my CC. Luckily I noticed the charge so I could able to dispute it and get my money back.[/QUOTE]And thanks for confirming how one indeed must remain careful and vigilant when using a credit card in Brazil. We didn't need to get too many posts in after this issue came up (again) to confirm what I'm saying did we LOL! Now, of course fraud, overcharging, and so on can happen anywhere. But the point is that it's far more likely to happen in a place like Brazil than it is in other places like the United States or Germany for example. I wasn't born yesterday, and I've been using credit cards all over the world for virtually my whole adult life. I know how to travel and be safe. I've never been robbed, and I've never had my credit cards hacked. A newbie (nothing personal towards anybody) with just one (or even only a few) trips to Brazil can't tell me how Brazil works, including telling me don't plan on using cash because hardly anybody accepts it there LMAO! You and I (and everybody here who is well-traveled in Brazil) knows that's simply not true and an exaggeration.
Yes, Brazilian people are using credit cards and debit cards everywhere and always have in modern times. I'm not questioning that. But number one, that doesn't mean it's as safe to use a credit card in Brazil as say in more developed and prosperous countries. And number two, like everybody else they were using cash first LOL, and that hasn't stopped (yet). It will stop in the United States before it will in Brazil, and we aren't there yet (I acknowledge some particular circumstances in some African countries led to pay by mobile device being more prevalent than by either cash or credit card). So people look. You plan to spend in the form that you want to when in Brazil (credit card [B]or[/B] cash). Me? In Brazil I'm sticking mostly with cash for the aforementioned reasons, with occasional credit card use at establishments I have a warranted high degree of trust in (that would exclude food court merchants).
[QUOTE=Jet69;2726317] Posted by Jet69 prettiest woman of the two countries is Colombia. During my almost 1 month stay in SP, the woman I saw on the streets, everyday woman, are of no comparison to the beauty of woman in Colombia. With that said, the working woman of both countries are fantastic .[/QUOTE]Thanks for the excellent report.
I have a similar observation after walking around in SP, taking the Metro, buying stuff in Malls, and going to Ibirapuera Park with my Scandallo Garota and her son, going out to the clubs with guys from the barbershop, visiting neighborhood bars to sing with cover bands, the everyday SP women I saw were ok. My head wasn't on a swivel checking out everyday women compared to DR where they seem to be everywhere, malls, shops, and on the Metro.
[QUOTE=Tochka;2726948]Thanks for the excellent report.
I have a similar observation after walking around in SP, taking the Metro, buying stuff in Malls, and going to Ibirapuera Park with my Scandallo Garota and her son, going out to the clubs with guys from the barbershop, visiting neighborhood bars to sing with cover bands, the everyday SP women I saw were ok. My head wasn't on a swivel checking out everyday women compared to DR where they seem to be everywhere, malls, shops, and on the Metro.[/QUOTE]Got to be at the right malls or neighborhood but all depends on your "type."
With a population of 220 M there are all sorts of shapes and sizes.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2726641]..., here they scan your card in front of you, and often it is contactless..[/QUOTE]Here is one of the credit card devices. They usually will have several. This one also accepts Apply Pay.
[QUOTE=Tochka;2726948]... the everyday SP women I saw were ok. ....[/QUOTE]I think if one prefers European look, SP may be better.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2721083]It's on the second floor by the SUBWAY fast food restaurant. You should be able to find it by looking up while on the first floor.[/QUOTE]It has a 300 withdraw limit at GRU. Someone has mentioned to decline the conversion on this screen.
Do not use an ATM outside of security at GRU. You can almost guarantee that your card will be skimmed. Use the ATMs that are inside security. Much smaller chance of getting skimmed.
I appreciate your politeness for not quoting my post. Try google this and see what comes up and check the date on it. "[b]Do NOT use the ATM right after immigration (and before customs) at GRU airport[/b]". There is another link in that post to another post. Just sharing info.
Hotel rates really have skyrocketed in SP recently but I wanted to share a great find. The JW Marriott originally opened as the Four Seasons right before the pandemic but closed and re-opened three months ago as the JW Marriott. It's a gorgeous hotel and it is conveniently connected to a small shopping mall with everything you could need and a small food court with lots of options.
Rates through the Marriott web site were really expensive ($300+ with corporate discount). I found it for $137/ night through Priceline. The hotel is girl friendly but requires registration with minimal hassle. A couple nights they offered my lady friend a glass of sparkling wine. A warning though, they have amazing blackout curtains so your Scandallo girls might sleep all day! Seriously! I had a few that loved the bed so much and how dark the room was that they slept past 2 pm even while I was working from my desk. Housekeeping is fantastic and changed my sheets every day with fresh linens and lots of towels. Room service was also very good.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2727011]I appreciate your politeness for not quoting my post. Try google this and see what comes up and check the date on it. "[b]Do NOT use the ATM right after immigration (and before customs) at GRU airport[/b]". There is another link in that post to another post. Just sharing info.[/QUOTE]Jeeze, that is recently too, Jan 2022. But yeah, I don't trust any ATM unless it's inside a bank and put a max daily limit on my debit as well.
Mr. Cane,
Where did anyone post that "hardly anyone accepts" cash? I posted my trip report with my observations. I can't find the post where it was stated you can't use cash? Most, easily 95%, of transactions I observed were with a card. So if anyone is exaggerating the issue, it is you. We are just trying to inform the rest of us newbies on our observations and experiences. If your risk tolerance is low, knock yourself out with cash. In fact I pointed out some places the international card won't work and cash is a must. Bring backup of cards and cash.
Been a member and posting (rarely) here since 2005. Might be a newbie to Brazil but not a rookie, no offense intended, LMFAO.
If you don't wader in to some shady area in the US or Brazil. You can use your card as usual.
I've been using it since 2010 in Brazil and haven't had a problem. Got frauded 3 times in the US and I still use it in the US.
EVERYTHING at the airport has very bad rates / prices. Food. Currency exchange, items. Even those fake ubers.
If you are on the magentax MAX Tmobile plan. You can use your phone data and service in Brazil for free. Don't need to buy any sim.
[QUOTE=TheCritic;2726746]I have found a significant amount of Paulistanos (SP Brasilians) understand and speak English.[/QUOTE]Not only that, but a lot of Brazilian people understand Spanish (but don't necessarily speak it). It's obviously different from Portuguese in some significant ways, but it's a similar Romance language, and if you speak it slowly and clearly enough many will understand what you are saying, even if they tell you they don't speak Spanish. If I'm having problems communicating for whatever reason (not usual), sometimes I will go there as a last resort. And then at other times, it's a first resort with women who I find don't speak English, but who are fluent in Spanish, like the porn star Elisa Sanches pictured on the left (fucked her in the butt at the Pestana Hotel). Or the loira branca Julia pictured on the right who I met at the old Cafe Photo (also got that cuzinha). With their English being weak and my Portuguese being weak, our conversations were conducted 100% in Spanish. The ability to communicate? No problem. Whatever it takes!
[QUOTE=Fewdie;2727105]EVERYTHING at the airport has very bad rates / prices. Food. Currency exchange, items. Even those fake ubers.
If you are on the magentax MAX Tmobile plan. You can use your phone data and service in Brazil for free. Don't need to buy any sim.[/QUOTE]I haven't tried it outside the country yet but just moved to Google Fi and it has unlimited data in 200 countries. No SIM. Very hopeful.
[QUOTE=TheCritic;2726746]I have found a significant amount of Paulistanos (SP Brasilians) understand and speak English. The question is when do they speak english? [B]When they "choose to." However, they do understand you[/B]. ....[/QUOTE]The clerk in Vivo store speaks English. Tim 144 line has English option and the person on the line speaks excellent English. At least one waiter in the restaurant Fôrno speaks English. All happened on the same day.
[QUOTE=Jet69;2727096]...
Been a member and posting (rarely) here since 2005. Might be a newbie to Brazil but not a rookie, no offense intended, LMFAO.[/QUOTE]So it's you! I thought it was me. It hit me really hard actually. By counting "times" I know I will never reach the level of The Cane, continue sobbing alone...
[QUOTE=Jet69;2727096]Mr. Cane,
Where did anyone post that "hardly anyone accepts" cash? I posted my trip report with my observations. I can't find the post where it was stated you can't use cash? Most, easily 95%, of transactions I observed were with a card. So if anyone is exaggerating the issue, it is you. We are just trying to inform the rest of us newbies on our observations and experiences. If your risk tolerance is low, knock yourself out with cash. In fact I pointed out some places the international card won't work and cash is a must. Bring backup of cards and cash.
Been a member and posting (rarely) here since 2005. Might be a newbie to Brazil but not a rookie, no offense intended, LMFAO.[/QUOTE]The use of credit cards (debit cards too) in Brazil is a push button issue for me, as you can see. I don't believe it's a good idea to rely upon them heavily there for the reasons I've already stated. And being the contrarian that I am, the fact that 95% of people may be doing something doesn't necessarily convince me that I ought to do it too. Especially when I have data points that suggest to me that I ought to go another way. Has worked [B]fantastic[/B] for me when it comes to investing money LOL! Now, as another has stated, at the end of the day there is no "right" way to travel. Each man monger must discover the means and methods that best suit him. For me in Brazil that means operating mostly with cash that I withdraw periodically from secure ATM machines. I urge others to take similar precautions.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2727202]By counting "times" I know I will never reach the level of The Cane.[/QUOTE]I didn't. Hey, have some ambition! LOL!
Yes, Google Fi is the other good alternative. I believe Magenta Max Tmobile also provides free internet on the airplane in the US too.
[QUOTE=Steve9696;2727190]I haven't tried it outside the country yet but just moved to Google Fi and it has unlimited data in 200 countries. No SIM. Very hopeful.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Steve9696;2727190]I haven't tried it outside the country yet but just moved to Google Fi and it has unlimited data in 200 countries. No SIM. Very hopeful.[/QUOTE]Yes, data is unlimited, but not free ($10/GB capped at $60/month). The data cost the same irrespective which country you consume it in. I had used it internationally in Canada, UK, Scotland, Europe, Brazil, Argentina and very happy with their service unlike TMobile which was very spotty and unreliable.
[QUOTE=Lalabo;2727223]Yes, data is unlimited, but not free ($10/GB capped at $60/month). The data cost the same irrespective which country you consume it in. I had used it internationally in Canada, UK, Scotland, Europe, Brazil, Argentina and very happy with their service unlike TMobile which was very spotty and unreliable.[/QUOTE]From what I read off their website $65/ month is their unlimited plus, basically unlimited up to 50 GB then it throttles. What you mentioned is Flexible plan starts out $20/ month. Unless I missed something. Here's the link for comparison. [URL]https://fi.google.com/about/plans/[/URL].
I have the T-Mobil Magenta Unlimited 55 plan which costs $50/ month for 1 phone or $30/ month per phone for 2 or more phones. The plan works automatically upon arrival in Brazil, however, download internet speeds are incredibly slow. Of course, WiFi in most 4* & 5* hotels is fast and reliable, but in a bar or restaurant speeds are low and asking for WiFi pw's gets to be a pain in the ass. T-Mobil has a solution for this problem. They call it their International Pass. It costs an additional $50/ month, but you will never complain about slow download speeds in Brazil again.
[QUOTE=FlowState985;2727228]From what I read off their website $65/ month is their unlimited plus, basically unlimited up to 50 GB then it throttles. What you mentioned is Flexible plan starts out $20/ month. Unless I missed something. Here's the link for comparison. [URL]https://fi.google.com/about/plans/[/URL].[/QUOTE]Thanks FlowState985 for pointing that out. Yes, I am on flexible plan as my average monthly data usage is not that high (except when I travel internationally). I didn't realize they have unlimited plans. Sorry, Steve9696 you were right.
Google Fi is great for short trips outside the US. If you stay months outside, they deactivate your data. I've also found that $10/ GB is inflated US pricing. These days I use an app called Airalo which lets you get an eSIM that works in 87 countries for about $5/ GB. That tides me over long enough until I can go to a cell phone store and get a local SIM, which besides being even cheaper is sometimes required for food delivery apps (iFood in Brazil for example).
When I was planning a business trip in South America, I did what we all do: Search for the flight.
Among the long list of options shown by Latam Airlines, I found one that let me do an 10 hour stop in Guarulhos. The perfect time-lapse for a very audacious pit stop. Oh yeah, adrenaline rushed into my vains, also because it was one of the cheapest options (happy face).
My scale arrived at 7 pm in Guarulhos, my luggage was already checked until final destination so nothing to worry about. I went straight to the taxi booth and called a taxi to. Café Photo.
Almost 1 Hour taxi crossing entire Sao Paulo, checked in Café Photo and saved my briefcase in the "guarda volumens" and straight to the bar upstairs. And yes, I found a brunette that caught my eye (later she told me she was in Dubai few weeks before). I told her to help us find a friend and she called another brunette that looked lovely with long long hair, and she was a true beginner. It was her last year of university. After having spent around 3 hours in the club, we all three headed to Asturias motel.
First round with the Dubai brunette, the rookie did not make part of the action, she was sitting staring at us smoking a cigarette, a bit reluctant to see us fucking. I finished with the Dubai brunette and we all talked for few minutes until my dick was hard again.
Then it came the time for the student brunette. She was dressing a black blouse that had a lovely cleavage, and a pair of loose silk pants that showed the curves of her ass. She was white and smooth, really classy.
I called her to me and she stood next to the bed, I slowly took those pants off and then her underwear. I laid her down on the bed and rose her legs up pointing to the ceiling. I did not give her much time to get wet and I simply penetrated her. She made a sound of pain, her legs were on my shoulders, I approached my trunk to her, posing all my weight on her, I kissed her I stuck my dick until the very end. Deep inside her, and fucked her in that position until I came. When I pulled my condom there was a bit of blood on it. It was a great feeling.
The brunette student was the first to leave the motel when her uber arrived. The Dubai brunette told me to give her a lift (carona) to her house that was on the way to Guarulhos.
Everything costed around Reals 2500 plus the tax for reentering the airport. I continued my flight with no delay. In peace ready for work.
My next flight may have two pit stops. One in Buenos Aires and the second in Rio / SP. Those cheap flights are fantastic for pit stops.
Time on pics:
15:51 leaving Buenos Aires Ezeiza.
19:01 Arriving Sao Paulo.
19:54 Taxi from airport to club.
20:43 Club.
00:13 Arriving to the motel.
01:45 last round.
02:39 Calling our taxi.
02:48 Taxi arrives when talking on the bed.
03:30 near to Guarulhos.
End of pit stop.
[QUOTE=TheCane;2727166]Not only that, but a lot of Brazilian people understand Spanish (but don't necessarily speak it). It's obviously different from Portuguese in some significant ways, but it's a similar Romance language, and if you speak it slowly and clearly enough many will understand what you are saying, even if they tell you they don't speak Spanish. If I'm having problems communicating for whatever reason (not usual), sometimes I will go there as a last resort. And then at other times, it's a first resort with women who I find don't speak English, but who are fluent in Spanish, like the porn star Elisa Sanches pictured on the left (fucked her in the butt at the Pestana Hotel). Or the loira branca Julia pictured on the right who I met at the old Cafe Photo (also got that cuzinha). With their English being weak and my Portuguese being weak, our conversations were conducted 100% in Spanish. The ability to communicate? No problem. Whatever it takes![/QUOTE]I don't get too hung up on trying to learn perfect Portuguese. It isn't like I am ever going to be a considered a Brazilian anyway. No matter what kind of shirt I wear 😜.
I speak close to fluent Spanish so I mix it with Portuguese and speak "portunol" which works great for me at bars, restaurants and everywhere else. Usually, I tell the speaker if they are speaking English to speak Portuguese so I can get better at understanding it.
[QUOTE=HiddenEye;2727385]I laid her down on the bed and rose her legs up pointing to the ceiling. I did not give her much time to get wet and I simply penetrated her. She made a sound of pain, her legs were on my shoulders, I approached my trunk to her, posing all my weight on her, I kissed her I stuck my dick until the very end. Deep inside her, and fucked her in that position until I came. When I pulled my condom there was a bit of blood on it. It was a great feeling.[/QUOTE]You really know how to treat women. You must be their favourite customer.
Good point Anaggie.
Remember Brazil received hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of immigrants during the 20st century. There is a culture of immigration and welcoming immigrants.
Gringo, the word to call the new extranger, has no bad meaning at all. As a matter of fact, Brazilians call gringo no matter your nationality. I'm Latino and they call me gringo because I look like an extranger.
[QUOTE=Anaggie;2727406]I don't get too hung up on trying to learn perfect Portuguese. It isn't like I am ever going to be a considered a Brazilian anyway. No matter what kind of shirt I wear.
I speak close to fluent Spanish so I mix it with Portuguese and speak "portunol" which works great for me at bars, restaurants and everywhere else. Usually, I tell the speaker if they are speaking English to speak Portuguese so I can get better at understanding it.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=TheCane;2727204]The use of credit cards (debit cards too) in Brazil is a push button issue for me, as you can see. I don't believe it's a good idea to rely upon them heavily there for the reasons I've already stated. ..[/QUOTE]You can just pay with your phone or contactless. The issues you think you have are not really there.
[QUOTE=TheCane;2727205]I didn't. Hey, have some ambition! LOL![/QUOTE]I am just having fun with The Cane. I don't think The Cane would mind. I can easily match The Cane in [B]number of days[/B] that The Cane can't even see how far ahead I am. LOL.
[QUOTE=TheCritic;2726746]I have found a significant amount of Paulistanos (SP Brasilians) understand and speak English. ....[/QUOTE]The casher in Takkø Café speaks English. The clerk in cellular accessory store near Paulista station speaks Englsih. I thought that was it. But then one clerk asked "Would you like something to drink?" at Sabores de Maria.
[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2727319]I have the T-Mobil Magenta Unlimited 55 plan which costs $50/ month for 1 phone or $30/ month per phone for 2 or more phones. The plan works automatically upon arrival in Brazil, however, download internet speeds are incredibly slow. Of course, WiFi in most 4* & 5* hotels is fast and reliable, but in a bar or restaurant speeds are low and asking for WiFi pw's gets to be a pain in the ass. T-Mobil has a solution for this problem. They call it their International Pass. It costs an additional $50/ month, but you will never complain about slow download speeds in Brazil again.[/QUOTE]For T-Mobile, you can get better download speed by adding on MAXup data to your Magenta Unlimited Plan for an additional $15 a month. Then of course they have several one-time international passes you can get at various price tiers. I've found that just maxing up on the data is good enough for me.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2727474]I can easily match you in [B]number of days[/B] that you can't even see how far ahead I am. LOL.[/QUOTE]I'll give you that in terms of overall number of days. All I can say is. [B]Wait until I retire[/B]. Hehehe.
"Absorb what is useful. Reject what is useless. Add what is essentially your own. ".
At BruceLeeLegacy.
[QUOTE=Anaggie;2727406]I don't get too hung up on trying to learn perfect Portuguese. It isn't like I am ever going to be a considered a Brazilian anyway. No matter what kind of shirt I wear.
I speak close to fluent Spanish so I mix it with Portuguese and speak "portunol" which works great for me at bars, restaurants and everywhere else. Usually, I tell the speaker if they are speaking English to speak Portuguese so I can get better at understanding it.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Nounce;2727473]You can just pay with your phone or contactless. The issues you think you have are not really there.[/QUOTE]This article from February 2022 states that only 1 quarter of all payments in Brazil are contactless (might be higher in a big city like Sao Paulo or Rio). But, I would like to see that overall percentage go much, much higher (like to 3 quarters) before I'm ready to get out of cash in Brazil: [URL]https://labsnews.com/en/news/business/contactless-payments-skyrocket-credit-card-transactions/[/URL]. Here in the States (and especially once the pandemic started), payment by contactless credit cards has become ubiquitous, and I rely on far less cash in the States than I used to. Brazil is moving in the right direction.
Hi Sperto,
Pain is so close to pleasure. Like the song of the late Freddy Mercury jajajaja Sometimes o "papai mamae" is kind of boring.
Attached original pics of two of a kind from Brazil.
[QUOTE=Sperto;2727432]You really know how to treat women. You must be their favourite customer.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=HiddenEye;2727385]When I was planning a business trip in South America, I did what we all do: Search for the flight.
Among the long list of options shown by Latam Airlines, I found one that let me do an 10 hour stop in Guarulhos. The perfect time-lapse for a very audacious pit stop. Oh yeah, adrenaline rushed into my vains, also because it was one of the cheapest options (happy face).
My scale arrived at 7 pm in Guarulhos, my luggage was already checked until final destination so nothing to worry about. I went straight to the taxi booth and called a taxi to. Caf Photo.
Almost 1 Hour taxi crossing entire Sao Paulo, checked in Caf Photo and saved my briefcase in the "guarda volumens" and straight to the bar upstairs. And yes, I found a brunette that caught my eye (later she told me she was in Dubai few weeks before). I told her to help us find a friend and she called another brunette that looked lovely with long long hair, and she was a true beginner. It was her last year of university. After having spent around 3 hours in the club, we all three headed to Asturias motel.
First round with the Dubai brunette, the rookie did not make part of the action, she was sitting staring at us smoking a cigarette, a bit reluctant to see us fucking. I finished with the Dubai brunette and we all talked for few minutes until my dick was hard again.
Then it came the time for the student brunette. She was dressing a black blouse that had a lovely cleavage, and a pair of loose silk pants that showed the curves of her ass. She was white and smooth, really classy.
I called her to me and she stood next to the bed, I slowly took those pants off and then her underwear. I laid her down on the bed and rose her legs up pointing to the ceiling. I did not give her much time to get wet and I simply penetrated her. She made a sound of pain, her legs were on my shoulders, I approached my trunk to her, posing all my weight on her, I kissed her I stuck my dick until the very end. Deep inside her, and fucked her in that position until I came. When I pulled my condom there was a bit of blood on it. It was a great feeling.
The brunette student was the first to leave the motel when her uber arrived. The Dubai brunette told me to give her a lift (carona) to her house that was on the way to Guarulhos.
Everything costed around Reals 2500 plus the tax for reentering the airport. I continued my flight with no delay. In peace ready for work.
My next flight may have two pit stops. One in Buenos Aires and the second in Rio / SP. Those cheap flights are fantastic for pit stops.
Time on pics:
15:51 leaving Buenos Aires Ezeiza.
19:01 Arriving Sao Paulo.
19:54 Taxi from airport to club.
20:43 Club.
00:13 Arriving to the motel.
01:45 last round.
02:39 Calling our taxi.
02:48 Taxi arrives when talking on the bed.
03:30 near to Guarulhos.
End of pit stop.[/QUOTE]Awesome report and time stamps. I enjoyed reading the play by play of your action, sometimes you can't wait for them to get wet, I spit if I have to but when it needs to go in it needs to go in LOL.
How do you approach the girls to get all the action on camera? You negotiate each time using google translate? Sometimes I wonder if it's only a North America thing where girls are so camera shy, I haven't faced this in Colombia or Brazil yet.
I can't wait to go back to SP and check if my credit cards work LOL. Just kidding, cash is king dammit!
[QUOTE=Anaggie;2727406]I don't get too hung up on trying to learn perfect Portuguese. It isn't like I am ever going to be a considered a Brazilian anyway.[b] No matter what kind of shirt I wear 😜. [/b][/QUOTE]
Are you sure? Have you tried the Vasco shirt and bombeiro khaki pants/shorts combo?
[QUOTE=Anaggie;2727406]I speak close to fluent Spanish so I mix it with Portuguese and speak "portunol" which works great for me at bars, restaurants and everywhere else. Usually, I tell the speaker if they are speaking English to speak Portuguese so I can get better at understanding it.[/QUOTE]
But seriously, w/r to Portuñol, here's a decent channel recommend by a another BM, to avoid those Portuguese/Spanish homonyms and other faux pas.
Don’t Speak Portuñol! False Friends Portuguese/Spanish: [URL]www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dTNnpnd8lo[/URL]
[QUOTE=TheCane;2727485]For T-Mobile, you can get better download speed by adding on MAXup data to your Magenta Unlimited Plan for an additional $15 a month. Then of course they have several one-time international passes you can get at various price tiers. I've found that just maxing up on the data is good enough for me.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the tip. I will try T-Mobil MaxUp first when I return to SP in October. I can always upgrade to T-Mobil's International Pass if MaxUp is not fast enough for my needs. I just hate waiting and waiting for internet pages to load with the T-Mobi's basic service in foreign countries. In the USA Magenta Unlimited's speed is excellent.
Went to Cafe Photo around 9 pm on Wednesday. Definitely more girls than on Saturday, including a few options which looked good. Upon closer inspection, one of the options had a huge butt / thighs which I don't like, the other option was taken by an older guy before I walked in, and the third option didn't quite have the right look in her eyes. Specifically, she didn't know how to make eye contact and generally seemed new to this. That and the crappy live music (much worse than the recorded stuff), and I decided not to risk it and leave.
Which leads me to my conclusions about Cafe Photo. It's a great place with a lot of potential, but a lot of the girls are new and they don't know how to behave properly yet. They don't know how to dress without looking uncomfortable in evening wear, or how to wear colors that don't emphasize the large, unbalanced posteriors common in Brazil. Only a few of the girls, older mostly, know how to make eye contact properly (and likely by extension how to talk with a man). This might be a good place if you're looking to find someone new, a diamond in the rough, but for me I think this place is a visit in a few months to see if it improves.
I went to Scandallo afterwards and was immediately overwhelmed by a different kind of problem, namely too many good options. This is the right kind of problem a place should have. I ended up seeing someone I met last week, having both excellent conversation in my broken Portuguese and a great time in the rooms. We agreed to see each other for lunch on the weekend. If she wasn't there that evening, there were at least 3-5 other decent looking options, a few of which probably wouldn't work out due to irreconcilable differences in personality. Scandallo remains a mostly sure bet (during Tuesday-Thursday).
Hi EverythingBlue,
Sure, if they are just random pictures of the place and not a portrait, I just say "can I take a picture?" (posso tirar uma foto? If you're going to make a shoot you'll need a talent's release or at least a simple receipt bill with the persons signature and 18+ ID (already verfied by hotel when check in). If you're going to make an entire week of productions, you'll need a contract for sure. Like we do.
It took almost 20 years to speak fluent portuguese. But my personal advice is to hear brazilian news all time, brazilian music in the background and read newspapers (it applies for the languages you're learning). I buy paper newspapers when I'm in Brazil so I can be up with the local news and have conversations with people.
By the way, brazilian polititians and local stars go very often to the clubs mentioned on ISG.
[QUOTE=EverythingBlue;2727547]Awesome report and time stamps. I enjoyed reading the play by play of your action, sometimes you can't wait for them to get wet, I spit if I have to but when it needs to go in it needs to go in LOL.
How do you approach the girls to get all the action on camera? You negotiate each time using google translate? Sometimes I wonder if it's only a North America thing where girls are so camera shy, I haven't faced this in Colombia or Brazil yet.
I can't wait to go back to SP and check if my credit cards work LOL. Just kidding, cash is king dammit![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=TheCane;2727543]This article from February 2022 states that only 1 quarter of all payments in Brazil are contactless (might be higher in a big city like Sao Paulo or Rio). ...[/QUOTE]It's 100% everywhere that accept credit card in Sao Paulo because it is built into the device. The only place that I encountered an issue is All Sabor Gastronmico across from Uruguaiana metro station in Rio. They have the machines but the wireless reception is bad for some reason so they have to move around to get reception.
[QUOTE=Spidy;2727575]Are you sure? Have you tried the Vasco shirt and bombeiro khaki pants/shorts combo?
But seriously, w/r to Portuol, here's a decent channel recommend by a another BM, to avoid those Portuguese/Spanish homonyms and other faux pas.
Dont Speak Portuol! False Friends Portuguese/Spanish: [URL]www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dTNnpnd8lo[/URL][/QUOTE]Maybe I need to try the combination you suggested 🤣129315;.
As far as speaking of other non-native languages, I have this problem even in my native Indian language. Living in the USA for 35+ years, I am now considered an outsider whenever I go to India. I know enough of the language to get around but never going to be considered a local no matter how much I brush up on it. Same with Spanish and Portuguese. But I feel that it is the attempt at speaking and trying to blend in that the locals appreciate. I try to communicate in their language as much as possible and sometimes, they will practice their English with me and we communicate in two languages.
Those websites have similar format and might be run by the same operator.
For those that have used them, are they reliable with accurate pictures?
[URL]https://escortgirlbrazil.com.br/[/URL]
[URL]https://escortsvogue.com/[/URL]
[URL]https://myescortgirls.com.br/[/URL]
Thanks in adavnce.
Hi guys,
I have been hearing good hype about Renaissance. Is it worth it? Last time I stayed at San Mercure Ibirapuera and that worked out just fine with half the price of Renaissance.
Also. Just in general, what are the best ways to find cheaper hotel deals for place like Renaissance?
While I am exploring stay options, how about staying at Airbnb near Renaissance and just go to Renaissance for drinks and get the goodies there? Are Airbnb's safe and easy to find GF friendly? Airbnb's are like dirt cheap -- 60 USD per night.
I edited a short FullHD video of a very representative room from a Sao Paulo classy hotel. Lets call it, the battlefield.
It has the original audio from the moment:
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJ20o1VqhxE[/URL]
Hope it takes you to the place.
[QUOTE=VisitUSA;2727818]Those websites have similar format and might be run by the same operator.
For those that have used them, are they reliable with accurate pictures?
[URL]https://escortgirlbrazil.com.br/[/URL]
[URL]https://escortsvogue.com/[/URL]
[URL]https://myescortgirls.com.br/[/URL]
Thanks in adavnce.[/QUOTE]Never heard of these sites before and I've done my homework before. These looks scams to me. Try mclass, private55, clubmodel. Those are fairly legit.
[QUOTE=Gabbarsing;2727867]Hi guys,
I have been hearing good hype about Renaissance. Is it worth it? Last time I stayed at San Mercure Ibirapuera and that worked out just fine with half the price of Renaissance.
Also. Just in general, what are the best ways to find cheaper hotel deals for place like Renaissance?
While I am exploring stay options, how about staying at Airbnb near Renaissance and just go to Renaissance for drinks and get the goodies there? Are Airbnb's safe and easy to find GF friendly? Airbnb's are like dirt cheap -- 60 USD per night.[/QUOTE]
Let me be honest. If you are happy with the the Mercure or an AirBnB, then choose that option. There is nothing exciting about the Renaissance unless you have status with Marriott which gets you lounge access and even then I wouldn't get too excited about that. The "goodies" are also not worth paying for. They charge absurd rates because they cater to the gringos. If you can stay around that area, it is a good safe area at night and has lots of places to eat and drink.
Save the cash for the hotel and use at clinicas or Scandello. Only reason I stay at the Renaissance is to maintain my elite status and the company pays for my rooms.
[QUOTE=Gabbarsing;2727867]Hi guys,
I have been hearing good hype about Renaissance. Is it worth it? Last time I stayed at San Mercure Ibirapuera and that worked out just fine with half the price of Renaissance.
Also. Just in general, what are the best ways to find cheaper hotel deals for place like Renaissance?
While I am exploring stay options, how about staying at Airbnb near Renaissance and just go to Renaissance for drinks and get the goodies there? Are Airbnb's safe and easy to find GF friendly? Airbnb's are like dirt cheap -- 60 USD per night.[/QUOTE]Some Airbnb in SP are within a hotel, so you get lower rate with security. If you look around and see the pictures of the Airbnb, you will see similar pictures of the hotels. As far as girl friendly, you have to ask the host. Some will say no visitor on their ads, some doesn't say.
[QUOTE=FlowState985;2728011]Some Airbnb in SP are within a hotel, so you get lower rate with security. If you look around and see the pictures of the Airbnb, you will see similar pictures of the hotels. As far as girl friendly, you have to ask the host. Some will say no visitor on their ads, some doesn't say.[/QUOTE]Overall did you find airbab safe?
[QUOTE=SamaRiding;2727910]Never heard of these sites before and I've done my homework before. These looks scams to me. Try mclass, private55, clubmodel. Those are fairly legit.[/QUOTE]Yeah, girls that advertise on the legit sites like mclass, private55, clubmodel, and I would add to the bonafide list Barra Vips, charge more than girls advertising on the cheap bargain sites. Sometimes a lot more, KKK. For example, 2 stunners that I reached out to on ClubModel asked for 1500 br. They were drop dead gorgeous, but I punted.
The main advantage of the higher end quality sites is that you will never have a bait & switch or have a girl drop by that you cannot recognize from her promotion pics. Most girls on the legit sites will ask between 500 br and 700 br unless they are pretty spectacular and thus in super high demand. On my last trip to SP, I arranged a date with one pretty MClass girl. Her price was 500 br at her apartment. The session was great. She was a very friendly girl. On looks, she was a little older than her picks, but obviously the same girl. I knew that would most likely be the case when she quoted me 500. KKK.
So, I prefer to meet my girls in the boates where there is a wide selection and I can check the girls out in person and test drive them before making any commitments beyond buying them a drink. Many quality call girls show up at the boates when they have no customers online. That is how I met an attractive ClubModel branca one night at Bomboa. Her price was 700 br at Bomboa and she was worth it. After our first in-house session we met several more times at my hotel and on our last session together she brought over a girlfriend, and we enjoyed a true bisexual 3 way. You can try to set things like that up on the internet, but it won't work out as great if you don't get to know the girls in person first.
I have both Google Fi and T-Mobile but I also get local SIM. It appears 5 G is available in part of the city. The higher download speed is 5 G, and the lower one is WiFi.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2728126]I have both Google Fi and T-Mobile but I also get local SIM. It appears 5 G is available in part of the city. The higher download speed is 5 G, and the lower one is WiFi.[/QUOTE]Which network offers the 5 G speed? I usually the airalo app for data only eSIM while travelling and was wondering if their 5 G eSIM would work.
[QUOTE=SamaRiding;2727910]Never heard of these sites before and I've done my homework before. These looks scams to me. Try mclass, private55, clubmodel. Those are fairly legit.[/QUOTE]They look too good to be true, but who knows.
Hopefully, someone has tried them and will report.
I had already noted the ones that you listed, thank you.
[QUOTE=Anaggie;2728141]Which network offers the 5 G speed? I usually the airalo app for data only eSIM while travelling and was wondering if their 5 G eSIM would work.[/QUOTE]Tim. The chip package says 4 G but the network showed up as 5 G in some places and I checked the speed is 5 G. I had Airalo but it's way overpriced.
What service is the 5 g photo on? That is very fast.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2728126]I have both Google Fi and T-Mobile but I also get local SIM. It appears 5 G is available in part of the city. The higher download speed is 5 G, and the lower one is WiFi.[/QUOTE].
[QUOTE=Fewdie;2728233]What service is the 5 g photo on? That is very fast.
.[/QUOTE]It's TIM prepaid. The coverage is quite good. This one is even more impressive.
[QUOTE=TheCane;2727543]This article from February 2022 states that only 1 quarter of all payments in Brazil are contactless ...[/QUOTE]Here I risked my phone being robbed to take picture of the street vendor credit card device near Centro. Also you should google EMV. It is amusing to read you boast your extensive [B]past[/B] knowledge, haha. I expect you to return the favor.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2728299]Here I risked my phone being robbed to take picture of the street vendor credit card device near Centro. Also you should google EMV. It is amusing to read you boast your extensive [B]past[/B] knowledge, haha. I expect you to return the favor.[/QUOTE]So credit cards work there then? What if my card gets skimmed! Surely my credit card company won't allow me to dispute a street vendor! Cash is king!
[QUOTE=Nounce;2728299]Here I risked my phone being robbed to take picture of the street vendor credit card device near Centro. Also you should google EMV. It is amusing to read you boast your extensive [B]past[/B] knowledge, haha. I expect you to return the favor.[/QUOTE]To the ounce! Needing to pronounce on all that I announce! Methinks that soon I'll need to pounce on Nounce! And convince him to renounce! Lest he get bounced! Glad you keep keeping me in your membrane bro. But at the end of the day, I don't give a "swipe" what you choose to do. Tap away! You do you. And I'll do me.
Visa Electron works with most stores and street vendors. Use a debit card with limited amount of balance, so if it gets skimmed or cloned, you won't lose too much.
Credit cards, only in formal clubs and boates. But as you say, cash is king in terms of privacy, otherwise very funny business names will be shown in your monthly report.
[QUOTE=EverythingBlue;2728312]So credit cards work there then? What if my card gets skimmed! Surely my credit card company won't allow me to dispute a street vendor! Cash is king![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=EverythingBlue;2728312]So credit cards work there then? What if my card gets skimmed! Surely my credit card company won't allow me to dispute a street vendor! Cash is king![/QUOTE]The principal reason why I'm in Brazil is to monger. And the currency of prostitution is cash. Not a contactless credit card hahaha! I suppose if you want some sausage from a street vendor OK LOLOLOL! But I'm there to fuck! And when you fuck a tute, the only thing you're "tapping" is that ass! And then you settle up by paying [B]cash[/B] for that gash! Bucks for the fucks! Quid for the quim! Dough for the ho! And a peso for that queso!
Holy. Can't believe its faster than tmobile 5 g and verizon that I have been using in the US. I am only able to get about 200 mbps max in the USA with these. Most of the time its about 100 mpbs. 100 is sufficient for me though.
I also get the TIM prepaid when I'm in Brazil. Its 15 reais with the sim and will last me a week.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2728298]It's TIM prepaid. The coverage is quite good. This one is even more impressive.[/QUOTE]
Well said, senor nounce! Thanks for the up to date information.
On a broad subject, on the topic of using cards for payment, there is a book, "the future of money" that I need to listen to / read.
[URL]https://www.amazon.com.br/Future-Money-Revolution-Transforming-Currencies/dp/0674258444[/URL]
[QUOTE=Nounce;2728299]Here I risked my phone being robbed to take picture of the street vendor credit card device near Centro. Also you should google EMV. It is amusing to read you boast your extensive [B]past[/B] knowledge, haha. I expect you to return the favor.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=TheCane;2728329]To the ounce! Needing to pronounce on all that I announce! Methinks that soon I'll need to pounce on Nounce! And convince him to renounce! Lest he get bounced! Glad you keep keeping me in your membrane bro. But at the end of the day, I don't give a "swipe" what you choose to do. Tap away! You do you. And I'll do me.[/QUOTE]BTW, I paid cash. LOL.
[QUOTE=The Cane;2728329]To the ounce! Needing to pronounce on all that I announce! Methinks that soon I'll need to pounce on Nounce! And convince him to renounce! Lest he get bounced! Glad you keep keeping me in your membrane bro. But at the end of the day, I don't give a "swipe" what you choose to do. Tap away! You do you. And I'll do me.[/QUOTE]
Now that was funny! (...kkkk!)
Who knew we had a resident poet, that could rhyme à la Dr. Seuss....Very IMPRESSIVE!
Do me, do me next...kkkk!
And this one:
[QUOTE=The Cane;2728344]The principal reason why I'm in Brazil is to monger ... And then you settle up by paying [B]cash[/B] for that gash! Bucks for the fucks! Quid for the quim! Dough for the ho! And a peso for that queso![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=EverythingBlue;2728312]So credit cards work there then? What if my card gets skimmed! Surely my credit card company won't allow me to dispute a street vendor! Cash is king![/QUOTE]Does anybody said one has to always use credit card? I thought the conversation is more about whether it is safe to use credit card.
The cards with chip are harder to clone. The problem is more about buggy software at the bank. Look at the data breach in US and tell me US is safer than Brasil?
Senor Nounce, very useful, thanks very much!
[QUOTE=Nounce;2728388]BTW, I paid cash. LOL.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Nounce;2728420]Does anybody said one has to always use credit card? I thought the conversation is more about whether it is safe to use credit card.
The cards with chip are harder to clone. The problem is more about buggy software at the bank. Look at the data breach in US and tell me US is safer than Brasil?[/QUOTE]Honestly, I feel like because so many reports of CC skimming in Brazil that they have wireless POS and bring to you table side when you pay for a meal, so you actually see it is being used in person. This is quite convenient because you ask for the check, the waiter brings the check and the POS device.
[QUOTE=FlowState985;2728683]Honestly, I feel like because so many reports of CC skimming in Brazil that they have wireless POS and bring to you table side when you pay for a meal, so you actually see it is being used in person. This is quite convenient because you ask for the check, the waiter brings the check and the POS device.[/QUOTE]I am obsessed with this topic now. LOL My latest discovery is that many locals are probably using debit cards because I started to notice they are entering information on the device. A few days ago, I even have to tell the TIM vendor that my US credit card doesn't have a PIN when he insisted that I input something on the device.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2728805]I am obsessed with this topic now. LOL My latest discovery is that many locals are probably using debit cards because I started to notice they are entering information on the device. A few days ago, I even have to tell the TIM vendor that my US credit card doesn't have a PIN when he insisted that I input something on the device.[/QUOTE]Most countries (outside of the US) use debit / credit cards with a chip card where the customer enters the PIN number, which offers a good level of security.
I had my ATM card cloned at a large-bank ATM at the Ibirapuera shopping center (there was a bank of ATMs in a lobby next to the bank), so I would try to find ATMs that are inside the bank proper. Mr. Enternational uploaded a photo of a ready-made ATM front panel that can be placed over the proper one for the purpose of card skimming. (See prior discussion.).
Can someone point me to a report or link where can I get Brazil number while in USA? I am sure this must have been discussed before. From online search, AFAIK. Google fi won't give me Brazil number while doing sub from USA.
I keep my Schwab debit card locked until I am ready to use the ATM, then lock it immediately afterwards. This mitigates the risk of skimming because the chances that the skimmer will try to use the card during the <5 m a day the card is active is very low. Fraud protection on Schwab cards is pretty good, and the biggest problem I've had before I adopted this procedure is having my card locked due to fraud while I'm traveling. By locking the card, I don't have to worry about fraudulent charges causing a security hold on my card.
[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2728377]Well said, senor nounce! Thanks for the up to date.[/QUOTE]So, if Sperto says it, he's providing good advice based upon his vast knowledge and experience? But if I say the same things, I'm removed from reality? An outdated guide a decade old is to be celebrated. But if I cite an article from the year 2022 noting that currently only a quarter of credit card transactions in Brazil are contactless, that's somehow illegitimate because one can post a photo of a street vendor who accepts credit cards (which proves exactly what anyway)? I guess not much since the OP paid cash LMAO!
I point out that the same article states that contactless transactions are growing exponentially in Brazil. If and when it gets to where it is in the States, then I would be willing to use credit cards in Brazil more. But from a pure practical standpoint, I will always be a heavy cash user in Brazil because mostly what I'm buying is buceta and cuzinha, and that's all about cash for gash baby! Oh, but I guess all of Nounce's tutes are accepting payment by contactless credit cards now [B]hahahahaha[/B]!
[QUOTE=CatBert55;2728893]I keep my Schwab debit card locked until I am ready to use the ATM, then lock it immediately afterwards. This mitigates the risk of skimming because the chances that the skimmer will try to use the card during the <5 m a day the card is active is very low. Fraud protection on Schwab cards is pretty good, and the biggest problem I've had before I adopted this procedure is having my card locked due to fraud while I'm traveling. By locking the card, I don't have to worry about fraudulent charges causing a security hold on my card.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, that only works for the card above (I. E. , with a checking account.) It doesn't work for the normal Schwab One Visa Debit Card like I have.
[QUOTE=CatBert55;2728893]I keep my Schwab debit card locked until I am ready to use the ATM, then lock it immediately afterwards. This mitigates the risk of skimming because the chances that the skimmer will try to use the card during the 5 m a day the card is active is very low. Fraud protection on Schwab cards is pretty good, and the biggest problem I've had before I adopted this procedure is having my card locked due to fraud while I'm traveling. By locking the card, I don't have to worry about fraudulent charges causing a security hold on my card.[/QUOTE]I have a Schwab debit card that I learned about on this site years ago. It's served me well overseas, and has indeed become the ISG monger's card of choice. Don't go overseas (and buy any pussy) without it! Ha!
The WISE card actually has better exhcange rates but its limited in the long run compared to Schwab. If you're going to Scandallo everyday then Schwab is probably best. Good to have both.
Pix is the venmo / cashapp of Brazil and everyone has it it there.
[QUOTE=TheCane;2728922]I have a Schwab debit card that I learned about on this site years ago. It's served me well overseas, and has indeed become the ISG monger's card of choice. Don't go overseas (and buy any pussy) without it! Ha![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=TheCane;2728914]... but I guess all of Nounce's tutes are accepting payment by contactless credit cards now [B]hahahahaha[/B]![/QUOTE]I pay cash for privacy when necessary or the cheaper method. I am not a stubborn guy. LOL.
I just found out today that Speedtest gobbled up all my data that I ended up without data when I needed it. It also used up battery much faster so use it with caution. This reminds me why the TIM store I went to in Higienpolis wanted to sell me an unlimited plan that costs are $ 210.
Senor nounce.
As senor sperto says ignore the chatos (boring). You are actually in Brazil!
[QUOTE=Nounce;2728999]I pay cash for privacy when necessary or the cheaper method. I am not a stubborn guy. LOL.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Gabbarsing;2728881]Can someone point me to a report or link where can I get Brazil number while in USA? I am sure this must have been discussed before.....[/QUOTE]Maybe you can ask VB1.
[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2728235]...get your Brazilian number (PM me, and I can set you up on whatsapp remotely)....[/QUOTE]
There are a few decent freelancers at Miruna now. I guess free in the attached lineup means freelancer. One is Bianca, a voluptuous spinner, hehe, check her out. Most clinica girls are a little rough in appearance. Bianca is more refined. My taste is a little different, and that maybe one reason I did not see any 10 or 9 at Scandallo. Her service is good. Keep in mind this is from my point of view so it is YMMV. You should be able to see her picture in Miruna WhatsApp lineup. My guess is that it's better to make an appointment because she does not work everyday and appears to be popular so you won't see her in the line up if you don't wait. I just ran into her by accident because I was waiting in the lobby and she did not appear in the WA lineup that day.
The reviews of a few clinicas like Prime are not available from gp-guia publicly now but you can still use your forista discount.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2729232]There are a few decent freelancers at Miruna now. I guess free in the attached lineup means freelancer. One is Bianca, a voluptuous spinner, hehe, check her out. Most clinica girls are a little rough in appearance. Bianca is more refined. My taste is a little different, and that maybe one reason I did not see any 10 or 9 at Scandallo. Her service is good. Keep in mind this is from my point of view so it is YMMV. You should be able to see her picture in Miruna WhatsApp lineup. My guess is that it's better to make an appointment because she does not work everyday and appears to be popular so you won't see her in the line up if you don't wait. I just ran into her by accident because I was waiting in the lobby and she did not appear in the WA lineup
The reviews of a few clinicas like Prime are not available from gp-guia publicly now but you can still use your forista discount.[/QUOTE]Thanks. I saw Bianca and a couple of other new garotas in the wassap lineup. Damn Miruna has upped their game.
My otel is within walking distance of Esporte Clube Sírio. I have been following tragic events. RIP.
[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2729070]Senor nounce.
As senor sperto says ignore the chatos (boring). You are actually in Brazil![/QUOTE]The "chatos" travel to other locales (First Class) and plot their return to Riho as they watch their net worth (and mongering money) continue to get stacked [B]high[/B]. Going to be a blowout the likes of which a wandering monger on a meager pension has never seen!
[QUOTE=Nounce;2729232]The reviews of a few clinicas like Prime are not available from gp-guia publicly now but you can still use your forista discount.[/QUOTE]All the reviews for Prime, Chanes 57, Miruna, Enjoy Spa are off for now. Don't know the reason why.
[QUOTE=FlowState985;2729344]All the reviews for Prime, Chanes 57, Miruna, Enjoy Spa are off for now. Don't know the reason why.[/QUOTE]A member of the whatsapp group said they are all owned by the same owner. Different clinicas gave different answer.
[QUOTE=TheCane;2729302]The "chatos" travel to other locales (First Class) and plot their return to Riho as they watch their net worth (and mongering money) continue to get stacked [B]high[/B]. Going to be a blowout the likes of which a wandering monger on a meager pension has never seen![/QUOTE]You know those things are totally unrelated and it sounds more like you are your own slave, right? You also know if it takes even longer for you to visit Brazil, you will become Bubba boy 2, right? BTW, from me that is a compliment, but I guess you don't see it the same way. hehe
[QUOTE=Nounce;2729437]You know those things are totally unrelated and it sounds more like you are your own slave, right? You also know if it takes even longer for you to visit Brazil, you will become Bubba boy 2, right? BTW, from me that is a compliment, but I guess you don't see it the same way. hehe[/QUOTE]The only one who is "enslaved" is you as you just can't let it go can you? Always having something to say about everything that I write. You yourself said that you were obsessed. I wasn't even talking to you. But you decided it was your obligation to weigh in on the matter. You know, first from the haters it was that I had never been to Brazil. Then when I started going, it was that I had not been to Brazil enough times. Then when I had been enough times, it was that I had not been to enough different places in Brazil. Then I started branching out going to other cities. And now, it's that I have not been to Brazil in too long a while. And each time, it (the vitriol) always ultimately blows up in the haters' hands! And so too shall it again.
So start laying the groundwork for a new smear campaign right now. What's next? Because you'll be needing something. Same old, same old (shrugs)! I travel where I want to when [B]I[/B] want to. Just like Nancy Pelosi haha! So you take it as a compliment eh? Well, what other face-saving stance can you really take (rhetorical question)? Just understand that I'm rich bi**ch! Hahaha! And speaking of Bubble Butt Boy, when is Vagabundo going to update his seriously outdated guide, as he has spoken of doing before on multiple occasions? Well, we all know that will [B]never[/B] happen as the man is both too lazy and too self-absorbed to ever accomplish such a thing, and much happier with boring us to death with his latest boastful exploits (while wearing his protective soccer shirts around town) LOLOLOLOL! Talk about some "chatos" LOL!
I haven't been in SP since late last year, I'm heading back soon finally! Time to brush off my Portoespañol haha. I need to pick up a couple of 10's at Scandallo and pay them cash of course. Kkkk just trolling. In all seriousness, one downfall of paying CC in Scandallo is the fees.
One story about debit card issues. Last trip in November I went to pull out cash from a Bradesco ATM in Ave. Paulista near The Renaissance hotel, it was a around 5 pm. I still remember the exact ATM machine, I selected 2000 reals in mix of 100/50 bills, the machine acted like it was about to give out the cash then nothing. Whatever I moved to another machine, repeat and got my cash. Well, guess what? I was still charged the other 2000 reals. I was more focused on my trip then disputing anything at the time, so I let it be hoping it would drop off and the amount would be redeposited. I never called, I forgot since I had such a good time.
Fast forward to two months ago, I get a credit in my account for the amount. Got to love the banks working in slow motion LOL. I'm not sure what triggered the refund, but I still trust Bradesco after this hiccup, or maybe I should trust my credit union bank.
Anyways, I look forward to reacquainting myself with the ladies, and sharing my exploits. Señor Cane, your visit to SP is overdue, I could imagine the reports you'll provide ISG upon your return, you'll inspire the next generation of mongers, don't keep us waiting!
[QUOTE=Jet69;2726317]
Bottom line, is it worth going to SP? Yes and no.
Comparing Medellin, Colombia to Sao Paulo. I have been to Medellin DOZENS of times over the past 8 years. I wanted to try something different as Medellin has become over-run with tourists / mongers. Areas that were fun to go to 5 years ago have turned into tourist rip of places because of the ignorant and boisterous. Just my opinion.
Beauty of woman: Overall the prettiest woman of the two countries is Colombia. During my almost 1 month stay in SP, the woman I saw on the streets, everyday woman, are of no comparison to the beauty of woman in Colombia. With that said, the working woman of both countries are fantastic.
Winner: Medellin.
[/QUOTE]Great report, Jet69. I am frequent visitor of Medellin as well and surprised to hear that you find women in Colombia more attractive than Sao Paulo.
It's just that Brazil offers so much more variety than typically long black hair Colombians.
And, share the same thoughts on Medellin what has became with too many gringos and mongers.
Personally, I choose Brazil since most all girls do CIM, BBBJ and anal as standard service where most Colombians wouldn't even offer BBBJ unless they session previously or pay a tip.
[QUOTE=EverythingBlue;2729465]...One story about debit card issues. ...[/QUOTE]The ATM ran out of money. You are smart to change machine. LOL.
[QUOTE=PussyRiot;2729484]... where most Colombians wouldn't even offer BBBJ unless they session previously or pay a tip.[/QUOTE]That usually happens only in casa. I have not met a FB girl that does not do BBBJ. There is actually one that I choose not to date, but another member sessioned with her and got BBBJ without negotiation.
[QUOTE=FlowState985;2729344]All the reviews for Prime, Chanes 57, Miruna, Enjoy Spa are off for now. Don't know the reason why.[/QUOTE]Yes these clinicas are owned by the same person. In the past on gpguia, clubs that violated some forum rules such as promoting fake or padded reviews were "punished" by a ban for a period of time. Not sure if that is what happened here. Also clubs and even individual girls can also request not to be listed on the site. I think that's why Scandallo is not on gpguia.
Was lucky enough to visit the city twice in last three months and here are some tips wanted to share.
ATM- Bradesco ATM opens at 6 am And closes at 10 pm. Arrived after 10 pm and ATM machines were shut off. They let you withdraw up to R2,500.
Scandallo- Entry fee is R200 before 7 pm And they will honor this even if you are late few minutes. And, this amount all goes to consumption. As many mentioned, best girls come between 10 pm To midnight but too many people on some weeknight such as Wednesday night.
Clinicas- Best time to visit is around 2 pm Where they are fully staffed. If you visit open time around 11 am, barely any girls will be available. Abbbora opens at noon.
Casarao- Became a huge fan of this place and many hot girls are available on Wednesday and Thursday. Noticed that Friday and Saturday talents drops off dramatically and open on Sundays. R50 cover charge and R100 to the club if you take the girls out. Only other interesting thing was girls offer half hour rate which was unusual.
Random: There is Olive Garden at Terminal 3 at GRU airport as well as in Panama airport.
[QUOTE=FlowState985;2729344]All the reviews for Prime, Chanes 57, Miruna, Enjoy Spa are off for now. Don't know the reason why.[/QUOTE]I just found this posted on gpguia (google translated). Sounds like a dispute between the Forum admin and the clinicas.
For information,
At the moment we have collected the topic from several clinics.
I ask you to kindly not try to launch new ones, because they will have the destination of the trash.
Topics belong to the forum.
And not the houses.
Always good to make it clear.
Until much is clear, they won't come back any.
Time. Aggressive message posted by representative or forista defender of ruffian, and subject to banishment.
We know the size of our strength and importance.
To be despised by anyone.
GpGuia and GpGuia, always the first.
[QUOTE=PussyRiot;2729500]Random: There is Olive Garden at Terminal 3 at GRU airport as well as in Panama airport.[/QUOTE]For those connecting at PTY (Tocumen International Airport) [URL]https://youtu.be/lVXmfPixynE[/URL] (Terminal 1).
[QUOTE=Nounce;2729494]That usually happens only in casa. I have not met a FB girl that does not do BBBJ. There is actually one that I choose not to date, but another member sessioned with her and got BBBJ without negotiation.[/QUOTE]FB girls tend to offer BBBJ, CIM, anal, DATY, and much more. At least that has been my experience.
GRU Express Train Downtown Sao Paulo.
[URL]https://youtu.be/oTxpRL3eTQc[/URL]
[URL]https://youtu.be/faZFg472FV8[/URL]
I took that train a few times but not sure if it is worth the time and hassle and traffic. It is pretty cheap though. 4. 5 reais from GRU to the metro.
It only goes every hour so if you missed it by a few minutes. Got to wait an hour.
Gets pretty packed.
From the airport got to take the shuttle to the station.
Takes about 30-40 minutes to get to metro luz from the station.
From luz. Fight and walk through the stampede to get to the train and go to whereever you have to go.
[QUOTE=UniversalX;2729543]GRU Express Train Downtown Sao Paulo.
[URL]https://youtu.be/oTxpRL3eTQc[/URL]
[URL]https://youtu.be/faZFg472FV8[/URL][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Nounce;2729494]That usually happens only in casa. I have not met a FB girl that does not do BBBJ. There is actually one that I choose not to date, but another member sessioned with her and got BBBJ without negotiation.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Lefeu;2729519]FB girls tend to offer BBBJ, CIM, anal, DATY, and much more. At least that has been my experience.[/QUOTE]Maybe with FB girls but generally from my experience, Colombian girls don't like BBBJ or have great oral skills.
Most of club girls from La Isla or Gusto wouldn't do it either.
Anyways, let's get back to SP.
[QUOTE=The Cane;2728914]So, if Sperto says it, he's providing good advice based upon his vast knowledge and experience? But if I say the same things, I'm removed from reality? An outdated guide a decade old is to be celebrated...[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2729070]Senor nounce.
As senor sperto says ignore the chatos (boring). You are actually in Brazil![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=The Cane;2729302]The "chatos" travel to other locales (First Class) and plot their return to Riho as they watch their net worth (and mongering money) continue to get stacked [B]high[/B]. Going to be a blowout the likes of which a wandering monger on a meager pension has never seen![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Nounce;2729437]You know those things are totally unrelated and it sounds more like you are your own slave, right? You also know if it takes even longer for you to visit Brazil, you will become Bubba boy 2, right? BTW, from me that is a compliment, but I guess you don't see it the same way. hehe[/QUOTE]
So as not to clutter and offend the SP thread, "The chatos" (or the boring, according to some) and those that have the fortitude to actually speak for themselves and are not [b]"puppet-ed"[/b] from the side lines, I will post/reply in the "Stupid Shit in Brazil".
This is with regards to much of the talk/fallout the conversation surrounding the Bwana Dik guide (aka.The Bubba Boy Guide) and perhaps clear up some misconceptions.
Apologies to my SP BM brethren, as I try to divert any further "dust-ups", to perhaps, a more "appropriate" thread.
[b]Here is the link:[/b] [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4045-Stupid-Shit-in-Brazil&p=2729852&viewfull=1#post2729852[/URL]
[QUOTE=PussyRiot;2729851]Maybe with FB girls but generally from my experience, Colombian girls don't like BBBJ or have great oral skills...[/QUOTE]For newbies Brazil is better and easier. The mongering style in Colombia is different. You may need to adapt to get the best. I am not saying I get it but I know enough mongers who share knowledge so I know what they are getting. Go read the Medellin forum, they are talking about bluetooth speaker and bombillo. LOL How often in Brazil threads do we talk about music?
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[QUOTE=Nounce;2729940]For newbies Brazil is better and easier. The mongering style in Colombia is different. You may need to adapt to get the best. I am not saying I get it but I know enough mongers who share knowledge so I know what they are getting. Go read the Medellin forum, they are talking about bluetooth speaker and bombillo. LOL How often in Brazil threads do we talk about music?[/QUOTE]Having done both Medellin and So Paulo, SP def gets the nod. The clubs in Medellin can't hold a candle to SP boates. Las Isla is a bunch of plastic girls offering covered BJ at expensive prices. Nothing at all like Scandallo and covered BJ. Really?
That said, the FB girls can be inexpensive fun ($50) but I agree with Pussy Riot. The lack of good strong BBBJ with Colombian girls is noticeable. They seem to want to do a little to say they did it and then get to fucking. Save Andrea S who is the BBBJ master, I was very disappointed with the Standard of BBBJ in Medellin. YMMV of course.
Don’t get me wrong, there are gems everywhere— I ended up shacking up 24 hrs with Kerry who was a true gem GFE with real chemistry. Just saying the average dude (with money) will have more success with the SP scene.
Hi Scandallo fellows.
I visited countless number of times during my last stay in SP back in Feb 2022. I am coming again next week. I have whatsapp number of many girls and can also recommend a few from what I have tried personally. I am willing to see like minded people who are willing to share whatspp number of gals and their set of recommendation.
Why am I doing this? - well one thing in Scandallo, that's less fun for me is the initial convo with girls (specially for someone like me who is using google translator) to filter initial requirements. So I would like to have a good head start if I have some potentials to go after.
DM me if interested.
[QUOTE=PussyRiot;2729851]Maybe with FB girls but generally from my experience, Colombian girls don't like BBBJ or have great oral skills.
Most of club girls from La Isla or Gusto wouldn't do it either.
Anyways, let's get back to SP.[/QUOTE]I disagree. Colombian girls can suck dick like there is no tomorrow, but you have to pick them at right places. I have been using SA exclusively in Colombia and have been getting BBBJ every single time. But you are right about La Isla, service there is all covered, BBBJ never happened to me. If you want BBBJ, stick to semi-pros and non-pros. SA, FB, Tinder, Instagram, etc. Casa girls, SW, club girls will always insist on CBJ unless you pay extra. In Brazil, chances of BBBJ at clinicas and termas are much higher, but not always guaranteed, YMMV.
[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2730162]I disagree. Colombian girls can suck dick like there is no tomorrow.[/QUOTE]It was the Colombiana who altered my whole notion of what a blowjob could be. I mean that shit went from the prelims to being the main event! I realized that I had never had my dick sucked [B]good[/B] until the Latina got on my junk, and the first Latinas to do it right were the Colombians, the pleasure of which I first discovered in Costa Rica. Colombians know how to deliver some high-quality "cranium", and I'm not joking!
[QUOTE=Nounce;2729940]For newbies Brazil is better and easier. The mongering style in Colombia is different. You may need to adapt to get the best. I am not saying I get it but I know enough mongers who share knowledge so I know what they are getting. Go read the Medellin forum, they are talking about bluetooth speaker and bombillo. LOL How often in Brazil threads do we talk about music?[/QUOTE]LOL, probably be / see most of us doesn't like Brazilian music and it is not widespread like Reggaeton, or latin music. Even Biden got in the action with Despacito to drum up votes with the Latin community.
I went to Scandallo, and eventhough the place is great and beautifully setup, the music sucks. I think they play mostly Sertanejo. I went to Casarao and enjoyed it more. The place is small, but about the size of majority of clubs in US, with hip hop, reggaeton, etc.
[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2730162]... But you are right about La Isla, service there is all covered, BBBJ never happened to me. ...[/QUOTE]My first BBBJ in Medellin was at La Isla. I think I was lucky because I went there not knowing they don't normally do BBBJ and there were very few customers. My next visit was with Colombia businessmen and we all got BBBJ. I got BBBJ the majority of the time. My last visit was much harder but I still got it with a big tip that was the girl's condition.
[QUOTE=TheCane;2730167]It was the Colombiana who altered my whole notion of what a blowjob could be. I mean that shit went from the prelims to being the main event! I realized that I had never had my dick sucked [B]good[/B] until the Latina got on my junk, and the first Latinas to do it right were the Colombians, the pleasure of which I first discovered in Costa Rica. Colombians know how to deliver some high-quality "cranium", and I'm not joking![/QUOTE]If you go the Medellin and do it like they talk about, that is the experience you will get.
The difference is the Brasileiras can be spectacular the first time without much effort. Last night I had a hot 18 yrs college freshman in Scandallo drooling all over my dick. It looked as if I already came when I looked down because her saliva was all over. She was so hot that I am still smiling just thinking about it. I got the number of another 19 yrs old who will be in Medellin later so I am going to meet her there and pay Medellin rate, hehe.
Earlier I got attacked by 2 other Scandallo girls. Next time in the same situation I am going to ask the girl to give me a blowjob right on the couch 😛. I wonder which Steve they were talking about 😦.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2730228]If you go the Medellin and do it like they talk about, that is the experience you will get.
The difference is the Brasileiras can be spectacular the first time. Last night I had a hot 18 yrs college freshman in Scandallo drooling all over my dick. It looked as if I already came when I looked down because her saliva was all over. She was so hot that I am still smiling just thinking about it. I got the number of another 19 yrs old who will be in Medellin later so I am going to meet her there and pay Medellin rate, hehe.
Earlier I got attacked by 2 other hot girls. LOL. I wonder which Steve they were talking about 😦.[/QUOTE]I went to Medellin a lot. You see, I had a "paisa" girlfriend. And the "garotas" of Brazil? Yes, they even butt fuck on the first date whereas the Colombiana must really "like" you before she is ready to give up the "culito" hahaha! So, it requires several "dates" to get a Colombiana's culito LOL! This is a key difference between Colombia and Brazil that all "anal connoisseurs" must understand.
I was sitting on my table drinking a black russian, waiting very patient for my perfect pick and this lovely brunette showed up in the second floor with that ultra small miniskirt, velvet high heels and blouse with white stripes. She really knew how to catch my eye, she leaned on the balcony like watching the action on the first floor showing her great ass to me. I was hooked, so I called her, because in this club girls can't approach the clients.
She sat down right next to me. Yeah, we made click. She gave me a long lasting kiss on the chick before we talked. Instantly my dick got hard.
I told her I liked new things all the time, and so she did, so I proposed her to wear masks meanwhile we made it.
She loved the idea and we left the place.
The second round in my room was just incredible. She was wearing that Shreck mask LOL (kkkkkkk describes better) her legs open wide like an athlete on the couch and I pumped her from above with all my strenght, my hands holding her shoes from the heels and her legs super wide open. When I came it felt like a short circuit. I felt like having ran a sprint.
During the week we met two more times. She was truly intense.
Here a small clip from the battle field from the first masked night, after the action of course. You will see the Sao Paulo panoramic view at night.
A very relaxing place to have a smoke.
Enjoy.
[URL]https://youtu.be/LZS0FWIIStY[/URL]
Steve Urkel.....I actually saw one who looks similar.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2730228]If you go the Medellin and do it like they talk about, that is the experience you will get.
The difference is the Brasileiras can be spectacular the first time without much effort. Last night I had a hot 18 yrs college freshman in Scandallo drooling all over my dick. It looked as if I already came when I looked down because her saliva was all over. She was so hot that I am still smiling just thinking about it. I got the number of another 19 yrs old who will be in Medellin later so I am going to meet her there and pay Medellin rate, hehe.
Earlier I got attacked by 2 other Scandallo girls. Next time in the same situation I am going to ask the girl to give me a blowjob right on the couch 😛. I wonder which Steve they were talking about 😦.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Jet69;2727096]Mr. Cane,
Where did anyone post that "hardly anyone accepts" cash? I posted my trip report with my observations. I can't find the post where it was stated you can't use cash? Most, easily 95%, of transactions I observed were with a card. So if anyone is exaggerating the issue, it is you. We are just trying to inform the rest of us newbies on our observations and experiences. If your risk tolerance is low, knock yourself out with cash. In fact I pointed out some places the international card won't work and cash is a must. Bring backup of cards and cash.
Been a member and posting (rarely) here since 2005. Might be a newbie to Brazil but not a rookie, no offense intended, LMFAO.[/QUOTE]Pix is the new king in BR but only if you have BR bank. Can send money on Whatsapp but I've never tried. I never send girls pix because it sends a lot of personal info along with it so I rather not. I also never give them USD because that's just asking her to think of you as a gringo forever LOL.
In Scandallo you could pay for the girl at the their hotel with a credit card with a 10% fee but that does not work with some international cards for now, they told me it will change soon. They do take debit card. Scandallo is categorized as a restaurant and many US credit cards gets you 2-5% back which almost offsets the 6. 5% fee for a credit card transaction by the processor not by Scandallo.
Got bait and switched on Photoacom.
Stay away from Kamila in Bela Vista, very hot thin girl who had 1 GP review. I fell for it, should have known it was a bait job when she said she now only does outcalls in hotels. Chick who showed wasn't even close. I felt sorry for her as it wasn't her fault, and gave her 150 reis for her táxis.
Going to get some grub and hit Casarão around midnite.
Hope all are well.
Lonnie,
Cash will always be king.
[URL]https://money.usnews.com/investing/news/articles/2022-08-12/brazils-central-bank-chief-says-credit-card-will-cease-to-exist-soon[/URL]
LOL. You didn't even read the article did you.
[QUOTE=Anaggie;2730918]Cash will always be king.
[URL]https://money.usnews.com/investing/news/articles/2022-08-12/brazils-central-bank-chief-says-credit-card-will-cease-to-exist-soon[/URL][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=FlowState985;2729344]All the reviews for Prime, Chanes 57, Miruna, Enjoy Spa are off for now. Don't know the reason why.[/QUOTE]Yeah this was a bummer for me, maybe the owners pissed of the site proprietor. But I still had a good time at all the casas. My only average experience this round was with a new lady at Enjoy going by Eloa, although Amanda later made up for it at the same place. Amanda may have the most perfect stereotypical Brazilian body I have seen in awhile, pretty face, all feminine components in the right shape, size, and degree of succulence. And a very enthusiastic performer too.
[QUOTE=Anaggie;2730918]Cash will always be king.
[URL]https://money.usnews.com/investing/news/articles/2022-08-12/brazils-central-bank-chief-says-credit-card-will-cease-to-exist-soon[/URL][/QUOTE][URL]https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/brazils-central-bank-chief-says-credit-card-will-cease-exist-soon-2022-08-12/[/URL]
I want to apologize that I stink up this thread. I think it is the best with just a simple apology that means what it says without further explanation. I will do my part by keeping my mouth shut except reporting experience and information.
There is a bar downstairs with outdoor patio that I did not know. I have been wondering where many girls went before figuring this out after repeated visits. I said to myself. I am so dumb. LOL.
The entry cover without consumption is R30. You get 2 free beers or other drinks of equivalent value if you pay R50. That means you are paying R20 for the first two beers. This has been mentioned a few times here.
The cashier didn't give me detail of my drink orders when I paid. So at least ask the cashier the total before paying. They do make mistake sometimes. I always ordered the same drinks so I knew something was wrong when the total was much more than I paid before. I just let it go that one time.
I met several local expats that are not on ISG. They said the rate they pay for girls are usually R250 for half hour and R400 for an hour, and hotter girls would cost more. They are there to have sex and they didn't buy drinks when I was there.
I met some that don't do BBBJ or require persuasion to do it during negotiation so negotiate if you must have it before going to the room. I looked up member's post about it and found the information is already on here. This is kind of a surprise to me.
There are some food options late including a 24 HR dinner before the park. I was savoring the session I just had that I didn't want to go to sleep so I walked around eating food from the street vendors. The pictures are taken around 4 AM. The hot dog (R12) in front of the park is very good but it is more like a sandwich. The corn (10 R) is by the club. There are several other obvious places nearby that are still open at that time too.
[QUOTE=HarvestBoi;2724186]Great report. Kudos for scoring a Fisha Rosa. More talked about than accomplished. I posted it as a report of distinction.[/QUOTE]Gents, it's a bit embarrassing showing my ignorance, but what the hell is a Fisha Rosa?
[QUOTE=Nounce;2731165]There is a bar downstairs with outdoor patio that I did not know. I have been wondering where many girls went before figuring this out after repeated visits. I said to myself. I am so dumb. LOL.
There are some food options late including a 24 HR dinner before the park. I was savoring the session I just had that I didn't want to go to sleep so I walked around eating food from the street vendors. The pictures are taken around 4 AM. The hot dog (R12) in front of the park is very good but it is more like a sandwich. The corn (10 R) is by the club. There are several other obvious places nearby that are still open at that time too.[/QUOTE]I didn't check the upstairs last year I was there! LOL. I discovered the downstairs by mistake.
You forgot to mention if you paid for the hot dog with cash or credit card!? Seriously, who knew they would accept credit cards at street vendors? Only recent reports have showed this.
No apologies necessary, Thank you.
Senor Nounce, You don't have anything to apologize for. Your actual in country on the ground reports are invaluable. Thank you.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2731062]I want to apologize that I stink up this thread. I think it is the best with just a simple apology that means what it says without further explanation. I will do my part by keeping my mouth shut except reporting experience and information.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2731250]No apologies necessary, Thank you.
Senor Nounce, You don't have anything to apologize for. Your actual in country on the ground reports are invaluable. Thank you.[/QUOTE]Leave it to VB1, to go spoil the moment for another ISGer and try to [b]take the spotlight for himself[/b], with these selfish and egotistic posts.
As again he further clutters up this SP thread, just like the RJ thread with his nonsense. Especially over something that could have [b]easily been done via PM.[/b] Unbelievable!!!
So now I apologize, to the SP thread, for doing the exactly same thing.
Sorry!
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[QUOTE=Xpartan;2731172]Gents, it's a bit embarrassing showing my ignorance, but what the hell is a Fisha Rosa?[/QUOTE]I believed it's a term for promo models, as in the ones who work at trade shows / fairs / fashion shows.
[QUOTE=EverythingBlue;2731231]I didn't check the upstairs last year I was there! LOL. I discovered the downstairs by mistake.....[/QUOTE]I was told the top floor is for paid reservation.
[QUOTE=EverythingBlue;2731231]...You forgot to mention if you paid for the hot dog with cash or credit card!? Seriously, who knew they would accept credit cards at street vendors? Only recent reports have showed this.[/QUOTE]I paid cash because you said so. LOL. The change is shown here. Then I was craving for a chicken soup in Centro that s R18 where I can spend the money. Haha. I asked them to put the soup together in the way I like it.
[QUOTE=EverythingBlue;2728312]... Cash is king![/QUOTE]On my way there, I hit the gold mine and found a cluster of vendors. This one has fried rice, which is very rare, for R13. I also paid cash. You can see the owner giving change back. Obviously, I was the only one ordered rice because the cook had to go buy eggs. Once my order was ready, I saw others pointing at my rice to order the same.
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2731172]Gents, it's a bit embarrassing showing my ignorance, but what the hell is a Fisha Rosa?[/QUOTE]I think it is what he described. I was told Scandallo was crawling with them Friday night.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2731165]There is a bar downstairs with outdoor patio that I did not know. I have been wondering where many girls went before figuring this out after repeated visits. I said to myself. I am so dumb. LOL.
[/QUOTE]It opens up when it gets too crowded on the main floor, usually after midnight. Also, if people want to see what the girl really looks like, you can bring her downstair be / see lighting is brighter than the main floor LOL.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2731165]There is a bar downstairs with outdoor patio that I did not know. I have been wondering where many girls went before figuring this out after repeated visits. I said to myself. I am so dumb. LOL.
The entry cover without consumption is R30. You get 2 free beers or other drinks of equivalent value if you pay R50. That means you are paying R20 for the first two beers. This has been mentioned a few times here.
The cashier didn't give me detail of my drink orders when I paid. So at least ask the cashier the total before paying. They do make mistake sometimes. I always ordered the same drinks so I knew something was wrong when the total was much more than I paid before. I just let it go that one time.
I met several local expats that are not on ISG. They said the rate they pay for girls are usually R250 for half hour and R400 for an hour, and hotter girls would cost more. They are there to have sex and they didn't buy drinks when I was there.
I met some that don't do BBBJ or require persuasion to do it during negotiation so negotiate if you must have it before going to the room. I looked up member's post about it and found the information is already on here. This is kind of a surprise to me.
There are some food options late including a 24 HR dinner before the park. I was savoring the session I just had that I didn't want to go to sleep so I walked around eating food from the street vendors. The pictures are taken around 4 AM. The hot dog (R12) in front of the park is very good but it is more like a sandwich. The corn (10 R) is by the club. There are several other obvious places nearby that are still open at that time too.[/QUOTE]Which day did you go? Curious to know if it's like Scandallo where Tue-Thu is best.
[QUOTE=Xpartan;2731172]Gents, it's a bit embarrassing showing my ignorance, but what the hell is a Fisha Rosa?[/QUOTE]Ficha Rosa is a code used by some modeling agencies to designate models that are in the catalog (Book Rosa) who make luxury programs discreetly, whereas the ficha branca is used for models who do not provide sexual or escort services. Usually at events, fairs etc. https://www.dicionarioinformal.com.br/
[QUOTE=Trojan22;2731406]Which day did you go? Curious to know if it's like Scandallo where Tue-Thu is best.[/QUOTE]I went several times and often I went very late so I don't remember exactly. I remember Sunday is slower because the bar in the back did not open.
Another member has mentioned it has younger crowd compared to Scandallo so they are not the same. The expats I met told me Friday is the best. I think Friday and Saturday are good, probably has many more girls than Scandallo based on my observation. The stripers and DJ don't start before midnight and last until after 4 AM but I don't remember if it is for everyday or not.
Sure Xpartan, in Brazil the word ficha refers to a distinctive element from a collection, in social terms. It's very easy to understand. Ficha may be translated as Token in English. Please correct if wrong.
For example, in the local news, you will hear "Ficha suja" referring to a politician that has legal issues. In the contrary, "ficha limpa" is the politician that can run in an election because he does not have legal issues.
As a member already said, in events "ficha branca" is the model / promoter that does not give after hour services, so a "ficha rosa" (being the rosa or pink the color of sensuality) refers to the model / promoter that will give those services in a very discreet way. Ficha Azul is the same for men who give after hour services, for men and women.
At brazilian events, there are such beauties, that they count on their own security staff, and if someone is trying to pull information, she's instructed to call her security. If that happens, the guy can consider himself kicked out of the event. Believe me, I saw that happen.
Local guys are all time asking for contact information from the promoters, trying to know who is a ficha rosa. Of course there are fair job proposals as well.
That being said, there are promo models that give their info to every single guy or woman. The same goes for Argentina, there are true jewels at events. I mean it. Racing events are the meca of these kind of breath taking models.
It can take lots time, patient and money to score one of these. Legendary creatures of god.
Together attached pictures of a model that counted on security, just see the guys trying to talk to her.
Can anyone recommend any civilian nightclubs? Luke a place to take a girl where they're not blasting shitty Scandallo sertenejo and dance the night away to reggaeton, modern pop, etc.
Visited Clinica Anavrin on Rua Batataes in Jardim Paulista based on scanning local intel last weekend. This was a rather unique experience.
Setup: it is located in an apartment complex, so you need to go through security to access it, which means you need a form of ID, or a copy it, in case they ask. It also means you need to book an appointment ahead of time, but this is easily done via Whasapp. After security you take an elevator to the 8th floor and proceed to the room your appointment specified.
The appointment: After initial contact they will send you a catalog of available providers, the pictures are accurate and show full face. You need to make your pick from the catalog and schedule with her, there is no physical lineup at the clinica. Overall very efficient front desk.
The experience: Standard shower and hygiene and then you proceed to your assigned room. Yes the rooms are not self contained (kind of like Bogota style, but classier). Unlike other clinicas in SP, here you start face down, I. E. , regular massage first like many joints outside Brazil. After about 30 min this transitions to a sensual body to body massage, and you have a choice of a premium happy ending (BBBJ inclusive) for R$200 or "custom" finish which includes FS for R$250. These fees are the totals you pay to the house, not just for the extras.
The BBBJ: My first time experiencing an inverted BJ, or whatever it is called. This is where she gives you head and licks the potatoes while you are on your stomach. I thoroughly enjoyed this, and it comes standard with every massage.
Useful intel: I saw two ladies on two different days, Ariel, a redhead, and Perola, a blond. Ariel was very good and GFE, but Perola took the art of sensual massage and GFE finish to a whole other level. And she is hot as hell, despite fake titties which I dislike. Loves what she does and is great at it. Luckily she was the last woman I saw before rushing to catch my flight. One more day in SP and I would have fallen in love.
Happy mongering my friends!
[QUOTE=Kib123;2731723]Visited Clinica Anavrin on Rua Batataes in Jardim Paulista based on scanning local intel last weekend. This was a rather unique experience.
Setup: it is located in an apartment complex, so you need to go through security to access it, which means you need a form of ID, or a copy it, in case they ask. It also means you need to book an appointment ahead of time, but this is easily done via Whasapp. After security you take an elevator to the 8th floor and proceed to the room your appointment specified.
The appointment: After initial contact they will send you a catalog of available providers, the pictures are accurate and show full face. You need to make your pick from the catalog and schedule with her, there is no physical lineup at the clinica. Overall very efficient front desk.
[/QUOTE]From what I understand through whatsapp. They said you can ask for a line up, and they will present you one.
[QUOTE=Nordico;2731465]Ficha Rosa is a code used by some modeling agencies to designate models that are in the catalog (Book Rosa) who make luxury programs discreetly, whereas the ficha branca is used for models who do not provide sexual or escort services. Usually at events, fairs etc. https://www.dicionarioinformal.com.br/[/QUOTE]OK, not it makes sense. Thanks!
[QUOTE=HiddenEye;2731651]Sure Xpartan, in Brazil the word ficha refers to a distinctive element from a collection, in social terms. It's very easy to understand. Ficha may be translated as Token in English. Please correct if wrong.
For example, in the local news, you will hear "Ficha suja" referring to a politician that has legal issues. In the contrary, "ficha limpa" is the politician that can run in an election because he does not have legal issues.
As a member already said, in events "ficha branca" is the model / promoter that does not give after hour services, so a "ficha rosa" (being the rosa or pink the color of sensuality) refers to the model / promoter that will give those services in a very discreet way. Ficha Azul is the same for men who give after hour services, for men and women.
At brazilian events, there are such beauties, that they count on their own security staff, and if someone is trying to pull information, she's instructed to call her security. If that happens, the guy can consider himself kicked out of the event. Believe me, I saw that happen.
Local guys are all time asking for contact information from the promoters, trying to know who is a ficha rosa. Of course there are fair job proposals as well.
That being said, there are promo models that give their info to every single guy or woman. The same goes for Argentina, there are true jewels at events. I mean it. Racing events are the meca of these kind of breath taking models.
It can take lots time, patient and money to score one of these. Legendary creatures of god.
Together attached pictures of a model that counted on security, just see the guys trying to talk to her.[/QUOTE]Wow, thanks for all the details!
[QUOTE=HiddenEye;2731651]Sure Xpartan, in Brazil the word ficha refers to a distinctive element from a collection, in social terms. It's very easy to understand. Ficha may be translated as Token in English. Please correct if wrong.
For example, in the local news, you will hear "Ficha suja" referring to a politician that has legal issues. In the contrary, "ficha limpa" is the politician that can run in an election because he does not have legal issues.
As a member already said, in events "ficha branca" is the model / promoter that does not give after hour services, so a "ficha rosa" (being the rosa or pink the color of sensuality) refers to the model / promoter that will give those services in a very discreet way. Ficha Azul is the same for men who give after hour services, for men and women.
At brazilian events, there are such beauties, that they count on their own security staff, and if someone is trying to pull information, she's instructed to call her security. If that happens, the guy can consider himself kicked out of the event. Believe me, I saw that happen.
Local guys are all time asking for contact information from the promoters, trying to know who is a ficha rosa. Of course there are fair job proposals as well.
That being said, there are promo models that give their info to every single guy or woman. The same goes for Argentina, there are true jewels at events. I mean it. Racing events are the meca of these kind of breath taking models.
It can take lots time, patient and money to score one of these. Legendary creatures of god.
Together attached pictures of a model that counted on security, just see the guys trying to talk to her.[/QUOTE]There are many Scandallo girls that model at these car events, I've been with many of them and they usually ask for 2 k for the night.
Oh yeah, around 2000 Reales can be the price for such beauties. Plus all expenses, a dream night around 3000 - 3500.
Also saw them in bomboa, cafe photo and electronic parties.
I rather prefer one or two solid 9's 10's a month, more than a crazy quantity of 7's.
[QUOTE=Hobbying;2731865]There are many Scandallo girls that model at these car events, I've been with many of them and they usually ask for 2 k for the night.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=VisitUSA;2727818]Those websites have similar format and might be run by the same operator.
For those that have used them, are they reliable with accurate pictures?
[URL]https://escortgirlbrazil.com.br/[/URL]
[URL]https://escortsvogue.com/[/URL]
[URL]https://myescortgirls.com.br/[/URL]
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE][URL]https://myescortgirls.com.br/[/URL] is also listed on that website:
[URL]https://openadultdirectory.com/escorts/Brazil/[/URL]
[QUOTE=HiddenEye;2732021]Oh yeah, around 2000 Reales can be the price for such beauties. Plus all expenses, a dream night around 3000 - 3500.
Also saw them in bomboa, cafe photo and electronic parties.
I rather prefer one or two solid 9's 10's a month, more than a crazy quantity of 7's.[/QUOTE]There is a website Ficha Rose Sao Paulo website, but a log in is needed:
[URL]https://ficharosasaopaulo.wordpress.com/[/URL]
[QUOTE=FlowState985;2731764]From what I understand through whatsapp. They said you can ask for a line up, and they will present you one.[/QUOTE]Good to know.
The pictures they send are accurate though, so an appointment is a good way to get the one you want.
Hi man, that site is clearly scam. Be aware from all those sites, there is nothing better than direct contact.
[QUOTE=VisitUSA;2732124]There is a website Ficha Rose Sao Paulo website, but a log in is needed:
[URL]https://ficharosasaopaulo.wordpress.com/[/URL][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=VisitUSA;2727818]Those websites have similar format and might be run by the same operator.
For those that have used them, are they reliable with accurate pictures?
[URL]https://escortgirlbrazil.com.br/[/URL]
[URL]https://escortsvogue.com/[/URL]
[URL]https://myescortgirls.com.br/[/URL]
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Follow up on the above websites.
Suspicious number that is found on several of those websites: (11) 99106-6691.
Several girls listed with that number are very attractive, but I don't have a good feeling about it:
[URL]https://escortsvogue.com/fresh-escort-girl-near-avenida-paulista-samara-prada/[/URL]
[URL]https://myescortgirls.com.br/escorts-in-sao-paulo/fresh-female-escorts-in-jardins-avenida-paulista-sp/[/URL]
[URL]https://myescortgirls.com.br/brunette-escorts/get-ready-to-meet-lais-mulatta-11-99106-6691/[/URL]
[URL]https://myescortgirls.com.br/escorts-in-sao-paulo/find-sao-paulo-escorts-online-today-at-my-escort-girls-like-babi-miller/[/URL]
[URL]https://escortsvogue.com/busty-escort-girls-for-you-call-11-99106-6691/[/URL]
[URL]https://myescortgirls.com.br/escorts-in-brazil/meet-now-beautiful-mulatto-escorts-in-sao-paulo/[/URL]
[URL]https://myescortgirls.com.br/escorts-in-sao-paulo/luxury-escort-girl-in-every-aspect-by-nubya/[/URL]
And many more.
I wished those were real, but it can't be that one booker is handling so many top talents.
From the information that you guys provided on this board, I believe that those are the safe and tested places in Sao Paulo:
[URL]https://clubmodel.com.br/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.private55.com/acompanhantes-sp-sao-paulo[/URL]
[URL]https://mclass.com[/URL]
[URL]http://scandallolounge.com.br/[/URL]
[URL]https://casaraoaugusta.com.br/[/URL]
[URL]http://www.abbobora.com.br/[/URL]
[URL]http://www.lotuslounge.com.br/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.cafephoto.com.br/[/URL]
[URL]https://bomboa.com.br/[/URL]
[QUOTE=VisitUSA;2732477]Follow up on the above websites.
Suspicious number that is found on several of those websites: (11) 99106-6691.
Several girls listed with that number are very attractive, but I don't have a good feeling about it:[/QUOTE]On post #14679 User Bearsi mentions private55, clubmodel, and splove are the 3 biggest escort sites in Sao Paulo. I would honestly just stick to those. They appear very professional and some of them you can even find the girls twitter or website to do further research. Thank you Bearsi!
[URL]https://www.private55.com/[/URL]
[URL]https://clubmodel.com.br/[/URL]
[URL]https://splove.com.br/[/URL]
[QUOTE=Hobbying;2731865]There are many Scandallo girls that model at these car events, I've been with many of them and they usually ask for 2 k for the night.[/QUOTE]A girl who is not a regular at the club told me that a group of special girls were asked to be present on a certain date by the owner. She still goes to school and works as a model.
She said one hour is not enough for us. You pay what you want for 2 h. Will X amount be ok for 3 h? I set the alarm to make sure she didn't stay over 2 h, She has superpower. I could not negotiate with her even if I wanted to 😋.
A girl, hot or not, that is regular to clubs is simply a GP, a girl that makes programa. That is, a ton of client's dicks a month into that pussy.
Ficha Rosa does not go to clubs. At least not officially LOL.
Another level, maybe bit ancient is Panicat. That's a girl who was on big media and gave after hour services. I heard it until the early 2010's.
[QUOTE=VisitUSA;2732530]From the information that you guys provided on this board, I believe that those are the safe and tested places in Sao Paulo:
[URL]https://clubmodel.com.br/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.private55.com/acompanhantes-sp-sao-paulo[/URL]
[URL]https://mclass.com[/URL]
[URL]http://scandallolounge.com.br/[/URL]
[URL]https://casaraoaugusta.com.br/[/URL]
[URL]http://www.abbobora.com.br/[/URL]
[URL]http://www.lotuslounge.com.br/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.cafephoto.com.br/[/URL]
[URL]https://bomboa.com.br/[/URL][/QUOTE]For the new guys who may not know, your list is a lot different venues mixed up. Clubmodel, mclass and private55 are websites for online girls who advertise. You meet up at their place if they have one or at your place. Bomboa, cafe photo, casarao and scandallo are night clubs, where you go to meet girls in person. You can go the on site rooms or have the girl go back to your place. Abbobora and lotus lounge are daytime clinicas. You session in the on site rooms. There are dozens of clinicas in SF. Search the forum for the most discussed ones.
[QUOTE=HiddenEye;2732870]A girl, hot or not, that is regular to clubs is simply a GP, a girl that makes programa. That is, a ton of client's dicks a month into that pussy.
Ficha Rosa does not go to clubs. At least not officially LOL.
Another level, maybe bit ancient is Panicat. That's a girl who was on big media and gave after hour services. I heard it until the early 2010's.[/QUOTE][URL]https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panicats[/URL]
You can still can see ads with 'panicat' style description.
[QUOTE=VisitUSA;2732530]From the information that you guys provided on this board, I believe that those are the safe and tested places in Sao Paulo:
[URL]https://clubmodel.com.br/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.private55.com/acompanhantes-sp-sao-paulo[/URL]
[URL]https://mclass.com[/URL]
[URL]http://scandallolounge.com.br/[/URL]
[URL]https://casaraoaugusta.com.br/[/URL]
[URL]http://www.abbobora.com.br/[/URL]
[URL]http://www.lotuslounge.com.br/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.cafephoto.com.br/[/URL]
[URL]https://bomboa.com.br/[/URL][/QUOTE]Barely scratches the surface of 'safe and tested'. Need to do a lot more homework.
[QUOTE=WarmBlankets;2732764]On post #14679 User Bearsi mentions private55, clubmodel, and splove are the 3 biggest escort sites in Sao Paulo. I would honestly just stick to those. They appear very professional and some of them you can even find the girls twitter or website to do further research. Thank you Bearsi!
[URL]https://www.private55.com/[/URL]
[URL]https://clubmodel.com.br/[/URL]
[URL]https://splove.com.br/[/URL][/QUOTE]Happy to help! MClass and Barras Rio VIP has a SP version that work as well although you'll usually find the same girls from the other three on these anyways but you never know.
[QUOTE=VisitUSA;2732530]From the information that you guys provided on this board, I believe that those are the safe and tested places in Sao Paulo:
[URL]https://clubmodel.com.br/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.private55.com/acompanhantes-sp-sao-paulo[/URL]
[URL]https://mclass.com[/URL]
[URL]http://scandallolounge.com.br/[/URL]
[URL]https://casaraoaugusta.com.br/[/URL]
[URL]http://www.abbobora.com.br/[/URL]
[URL]http://www.lotuslounge.com.br/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.cafephoto.com.br/[/URL]
[URL]https://bomboa.com.br/[/URL][/QUOTE]This is a good list and I've tried them all and going to try them again in September! No funny business.
I would add.
-Moema Prime [URL]https://clinica-massagem-moema.negocio.site/[/URL].
-Enjoy Spa.
-Carinas.
-Miruna.
-Cherry [URL]https://www.clinicacherry.com.br/[/URL].
-SPA Lushness [URL]https://spalushness.com/[/URL].
-Friend House 57.
All clinicas.
I've yet to try cherry or spa lushness which I believe is new since I never saw it on my radar when I went in December and I searched around.
These two post are really provide the best tried and true places and I never had an issue with any of these places.
There are for sure a bunch of little prives and clinicas sprinkled around SP but these seem to have a good rooster of girls, nice rooms / beds and pretty nearby each other in the moema area.
Those looking for a reliable outcall on the cheap, I recommend this one: [URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/acompanhantes/sao-paulo/ninfetinha-safadinha-jeitinho-namoradinha-vamos-id-v7w4b[/URL].
Good sensual GFE performer, very good BBBJ and massage skills, enough that I had a repeat. Looks better in person, slender and a bit tall, small ass though. Advertised age is accurate. Charges only $20 extra for taxi.
Great link, that serves to show the top quality ever ever. Solid 10's. Tall as runway models, super classy, hot as hell, cover of national fashion magazines (higher than Sexy Magazine).
Till now I have only scored up to Ficha Rosas. Panicats hope one day LOL.
Pictures attached of models from sexy magazine. I have wild fucked the girl from the center in the sambodromo.
I really had to ask for mercy under that shower jajajaja.
[QUOTE=Questner;2732991][URL]https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panicats[/URL]
You can still can see ads with 'panicat' style description.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=HiddenEye;2733047]Great link, that serves to show the top quality ever ever. Solid 10's. Tall as runway models, super classy, hot as hell, cover of national fashion magazines (higher than Sexy Magazine).
Till now I have only scored up to Ficha Rosas. Panicats hope one day LOL.
Pictures attached of models from sexy magazine. I have wild fucked the girl from the center in the sambodromo.
I really had to ask for mercy under that shower jajajaja.[/QUOTE]Damn you must have some game on top of means!
[QUOTE=Questner;2732991][URL]https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panicats[/URL]
You can still can see ads with 'panicat' style description.[/QUOTE]Estilo panicat in an ad means thick thighs, strong buttocks and most probably silicon tits.
Heading to Sao Paulo in September and I wanted to see any recommendation / best location between a new hotel in the city the JW Marriott or the Renaissance. I saw earlier postings about the Renaissance being a hook up place & girl friendly and wanted to see if this is still true?
Thanks.
[QUOTE=Georgest;2733616]Heading to Sao Paulo in September and I wanted to see any recommendation / best location between a new hotel in the city the JW Marriott or the Renaissance. I saw earlier postings about the Renaissance being a hook up place & girl friendly and wanted to see if this is still true?
Thanks.[/QUOTE]The Renaissance is very girl friendly and there are girls working at the lobby bar in the evenings till it closes. But I wouldn't recommend trying to hook up with them. They charge absurd rates.
[QUOTE=Georgest;2733616]Heading to Sao Paulo in September and I wanted to see any recommendation / best location between a new hotel in the city the JW Marriott or the Renaissance. I saw earlier postings about the Renaissance being a hook up place & girl friendly and wanted to see if this is still true?
Thanks.[/QUOTE]Georgest, every SP hotel I have stayed at in SP is girl friendly, so no problem on that score. But I am assuming by your question, that you are a Marriott Bonvoy member looking for an upscale Marriott property in a good neighborhood relatively close to some nighttime action. If this is the case, then the JW should be last on your list. The JW location is just too far south. Fuck, it is past the Grand Hyatt and the Hyatt is a 40-minute ride to Scandallo at 9 pm. P.S. I like the Hyatt. I am a Hyatt member too. I am booked there on points once again on my upcoming trip.
But a decent nearby Marriott alternative is the Sheraton Hotel, which is in a better, more people-oriented casual neighborhood (ie more local bars and nearby restaurant cafes) plus the Sheraton is a lot cheaper than either the JW or the Renaissance. Don't get me wrong, I like the Renaissance. In fact, I am booked to stay there again too in October on the last of my Marriott points. 555. There are a lot of fine restaurants within walking distance of the Renaissance, and it is only a 20-minute Uber ride to Scandallo at 9 pm. Casarao is even closer. So, if you have the points or you have plenty of loose money in your pocket stay at the Renaissance. I am sure you will like it.
One last Bonvoy hotel you might consider is the 4. 5-star Marriott Executive Apartments Hotel. You can't use points at this hotel, but I booked a 1-bedroom apartment there for $95/ night for a week. No, it ain't Renaissance 5-star quality, but it is clean, and the rooms have balconies which are great for entertaining my sexy, little marijuanitas, and it is only 2 blocks from Bomboa, my 2nd favorite boate in SP.
Outside of the World of Marriott I like the Intercontinental (nearby the Renaissance and cheaper), the Hilton (across the street from the Sheraton). The Hilton has the best room service food in SP which is good to know on the nights you have company over. Also, the Sheraton and the Hilton are right across the street from the Gauguin Club which is sometimes well worth checking.
It is all up to you. I just can't believe SP 5-star hotel price inflation over the last 6 months. Room rates have gone up faster than the asking price of Scandallo tier one girls, and if I had to choose one or the other, I would always choose the girls.
If you are looking for Marriott hotels for hobbying, the Renaissance is by far the best mix of location / convenience, luxury and pricing.
It is centrally located to Moema for clinicas, higher end boates like Scandallo, Cafe Photo and Bamboa and fine dining restaurants. It is not super high end for a "5 star" hotel, but it is decent. The lounge spacious and their breakfast and happy hour spread is decent and their spa is top notch.
Their customer service is also friendly, helpful and discreet. They do have a few working girls at the lobby bar, but the ones I've seen did not interest me (more like 5's and 6's) so never inquired about pricing. But then again, I usually leave the hotel by 5 or 6 pm for drinks or dinner before painting the town and don't return until after 1 am at the earliest so probably never saw the best talent.
I stayed at the recently opened JW Marriott in July and found the place to be quite new and lovely, but still experiencing some growing pains as a new hotel (they took over the old Four Seasons). The breakfast spread is quite small at the restaurant, but the lounge is quite nice and well stocked (alcohol and red bull 24/7). The service was hit or miss. I don't mind the location too much as it isn't too far to Moema for clinicas or other boates in the heart of SP. Even when I go to Scandallo, it isn't too bad as I usually go to dinner in the Jardins or Itaim Bibi area before going to the boates.
With all that said, I would still prefer the Renaissance over the JW, unless you are working near the WTC or business area there. I also prefer the Grand Hyatt to the JW if you need to be in that area.
If you want a true 5 star hotel, you will have to go to Tivoli, Fasano, Emiliano, Hotel Unique or Rosewood. All of those are centrally located for hobbying and foodie purposes. I've stayed at all of those and my preference is either Fasano, Tivoli or Rosewood. You can also find some working girls at the Tivoli, both at their lobby bar and rooftop bar (Seen).
For true elegance, Palácio Tangará is probably the top hotel in Sao Paulo, but is pretty far away. More so than the JW Marriott. However, many of the guests there just take helicopters to other parts of the city.
Saw the live sex show that started around 4 AM, lasted about 15 minutes. Started with oral, condom on, doggie, reverse cowgirl, upside down doggie with legs in the air supported by hands on the floor, standing doggie, oral again. I don't know if this is a regular show. It could be just for today.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2731165]... I met some that don't do BBBJ or require persuasion to do it during negotiation so negotiate ...[/QUOTE]There are occasional hot girls showing up. I met a few but it is difficult to get basic GFE for some reason, and the price is basically Scandallo level 500 and above. Beautiful branca is rare at Casaro. I met one but she does not kiss. Met a 18 yrs old morena who has a pretty face and model type body. She showed up around 3 AM. I remember she wanted 500 for 1 h. The problem was when I asked about kissing, she changed the deal to 450 and a drink. I was like WTF and not sure I understood because she was already holding a new drink. The drink she wanted was 80. My phone's signal in the club was too weak to use the translator and the translator would not go into offline mode either so I could not communicate well enough. It was near closing time so I gave up.
Test drive in the club is also not as easy as Scandallo. Some girls would agree to kiss but would not kiss in the club, not a good sign. Again YMMV.
[QUOTE=SocratesNY;2733907]If you are looking for Marriott hotels for hobbying, the Renaissance is by far the best mix of location / convenience, luxury and pricing.
It is centrally located to Moema for clinicas, higher end boates like Scandallo, Cafe Photo and Bamboa and fine dining restaurants. It is not super high end for a "5 star" hotel, but it is decent. The lounge spacious and their breakfast and happy hour spread is decent and their spa is top notch.
Their customer service is also friendly, helpful and discreet. They do have a few working girls at the lobby bar, but the ones I've seen did not interest me (more like 5's and 6's) so never inquired about pricing. But then again, I usually leave the hotel by 5 or 6 pm for drinks or dinner before painting the town and don't return until after 1 am at the earliest so probably never saw the best talent.
I stayed at the recently opened JW Marriott in July and found the place to be quite new and lovely, but still experiencing some growing pains as a new hotel (they took over the old Four Seasons). The breakfast spread is quite small at the restaurant, but the lounge is quite nice and well stocked (alcohol and red bull 24/7). The service was hit or miss. I don't mind the location too much as it isn't too far to Moema for clinicas or other boates in the heart of SP. Even when I go to Scandallo, it isn't too bad as I usually go to dinner in the Jardins or Itaim Bibi area before going to the boates..[/QUOTE]Add Skybar at Hotel Unique to the list. On weekends there are working girls but I never talked to them since I always had a companion. Next door Antoinette Mansion is a restaurant where the sugars take their companions that look very well taken care of.
At little off topic but since we're the bunch to maximize our money in this good USD=BRL wanted to ask if anyone knows about getting any medical procedures in SP.
They seem to have good hospitals and doctors in SP and I'm looking into getting my Balloon sinuplasty done there in September instead of in the States to save some $.
I know Mexico and Colombia have good set ups for americans to do all kinds of procedures for fractions of what would be charged in the states. Brazil tho I have not heard much of or at least haven't or can't since my porto is limited.
If anyone has any insights to this please PM me.
I'll be reporting in September for my trips to SP and Rio so stay tuned. Will be doing lots of clinicas, online girls, boates and report back!
[QUOTE=BubbaBoy;426744]The ditching process: Some first timers can get trapped by an overly aggressive girl. I always find these girls are the worst in bed. The most popular girls tend to not approach you, they don't have to. A lot of western guys are sometimes too polite to get rid of the overly aggressive girl. Remember you are a paying customer, you are there for the purpose of banging the girl you want to bang, hence be polite but firm in the ditching process. If you get trapped, try the following.
~Get up and go to the bathroom, when you come back stand at the bar for a while. If she comes back and tries to grab you again, just say I want to relax a bit or keep moving, a moving target his hard to hit, move around.
~Of course it is more difficult if you have already groped her, hence I try to be a little distant until I know there is going to be a good chance of going upstairs....[/QUOTE]I have been in this situation at Scandallo, I was surprised to see the girl waiting for me outside of bathroom. LOL. I was really going to the bathroom and wasn't trying to ditch her. I got away eventually because I did not touch her, this is after she put her hand in my pants, and showing me all her assets. She went from 1000 BRL to 500 BRL. The mistake I had probably was too friendly and bought her drinks and she took advantage of that. I now still buy beer occasionally (no cocktail which double the beer price, beer is about 40) to girls that are friendly, but I told them right away that I know she is working, and she does not have to stay.
She wasn't bad looking, but I was looking for a new BMW, not a used one. LOL.
I would say as a rule of thumb, the ones that approaches you or are regulars to the club can be had for much lower price.
[QUOTE=Bearsi;2734147]At little off topic but since we're the bunch to maximize our money in this good USD=BRL wanted to ask if anyone knows about getting any medical procedures in SP....!
[/QUOTE]The private doctor without insurance is not cheap in my experience. I saw a doctor on the same day appointment for 500 BRL. The other private chain clinics I tried was like 350 BRL for booking but it's not the same day.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2734232]I have been in this situation at Scandallo, I was surprised to see the girl waiting for me outside of bathroom. LOL. I was really going to the bathroom and wasn't trying to ditch her. I got away eventually because I did not touch her, this is after she put her hand in my pants, and showing me all her assets. She went from 1000 BRL to 500 BRL. The mistake I had probably was too friendly and bought her drinks and she took advantage of that. I now still buy beer occasionally (no cocktail which double the beer price, beer is about 40) to girls that are friendly, but I told them right away that I know she is working, and she does not have to stay.
She wasn't bad looking, but I was looking for a new BMW, not a used one. LOL.
I would say as a rule of thumb, the ones that approaches you or are regulars to the club can be had for much lower price.[/QUOTE]I remembered not too long ago that girls werent allowed to do this in Scandallo and other boates like cafe photo and the such since it can really throw you off and makes things awkward or was I mistaken. I remember going in September 2020 and no girls really did this. Some would come up and ask if I needed help since I was really new to Brazil and boates in general. I could have sworn it was a rule somewhere that girls couldn't bother a guy by straight up talking and sitting down, they had to be approach first. I remember because the first few girls I had in scadallo were super excited to have me wave them over after they walked around the entire place 5 time over and I recalled one girl was doing everything in front of me to have me tell her to take a seat next to me LOL.
We session at 4 am and we finished at 5 am when it closed. They made us pay our tabs and gave us a purple paper bracelet like the ones at festivals so when we got out the bouncers knew we paid our tabs and were allowed to leave without any issues.
I concur that the girls who approach you first and try to get you into a room fast are the worst. They see you as an easy target and watch the clock. The best girls are the one's who don't make moves in my experience.
[QUOTE=BubbaBoy;426744]The ditching process: Some first timers can get trapped by an overly aggressive girl. I always find these girls are the worst in bed. The most popular girls tend to not approach you, they don't have to. A lot of western guys are sometimes too polite to get rid of the overly aggressive girl. Remember you are a paying customer, you are there for the purpose of banging the girl you want to bang, hence be polite but firm in the ditching process. If you get trapped, try the following.
~Get up and go to the bathroom, when you come back stand at the bar for a while. If she comes back and tries to grab you again, just say I want to relax a bit or keep moving, a moving target his hard to hit, move around.
~Of course it is more difficult if you have already groped her, hence I try to be a little distant until I know there is going to be a good chance of going upstairs....[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Nounce;2734232]I have been in this situation at Scandallo, I was surprised to see the girl waiting for me outside of bathroom. LOL. I was really going to the bathroom and wasn't trying to ditch her. I got away eventually because I did not touch her, this is after she put her hand in my pants, and showing me all her assets. She went from 1000 BRL to 500 BRL. The mistake I had probably was too friendly and bought her drinks and she took advantage of that. I now still buy beer occasionally (no cocktail which double the beer price, beer is about 40) to girls that are friendly, but I told them right away that I know she is working, and she does not have to stay.
[b]She wasn't bad looking[/b], but I was looking for a new BMW, not a used one. LOL.
I would say as a rule of thumb, the ones that approaches you or are regulars to the club can be had for much lower price.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bearsi;2734335]I concur that the girls who approach you first and try to get you into a room fast are the worst. They see you as an easy target and watch the clock. The best girls are the one's who don't make moves in my experience.[/QUOTE]
Is it that the "agressive" GP one you don't like (understandable you want what you want) or Maybe[b].....[/b] just Maybe for what ever qualities you have the GP [u]may like you and just want to be with you[/u]?
Assuming she is your type does the GP get rejected just for approaching you? (is the GP, SOL just for desiring to be with you and has to approach you)
What is the GP to do if they want to be with you? (Sometimes it's not a money thing but an attraction to you. However you look[b]....[/b] LOL) for some GPs they going to get money that night, however they rather get money from someone thier attacted to.
[QUOTE=Hobbying;2734115]Add Skybar at Hotel Unique to the list. On weekends there are working girls but I never talked to them since I always had a companion. Next door [i][u]Antoinette Mansion[/u][/i] is a restaurant where the sugars take their companions that look very well taken care of.[/QUOTE]Correction misspelling should be [B].....[/B].
Antonella Maison [URL]http://antonellamaison.com/[/URL] very nice French Restaurante next to Hotel Unique. Yea they like it!
[QUOTE=TheCritic;2734345]Is it that the "agressive" GP one you don't like (understandable you want what you want) or Maybe[b].....[/b] just Maybe for what ever qualities you have the GP [u]may like you and just want to be with you[/u]?
Assuming she is your type does the GP get rejected just for approaching you? (is the GP, SOL just for desiring to be with you and has to approach you)
What is the GP to do if they want to be with you? (Sometimes it's not a money thing but an attraction to you. However you look[b]....[/b] LOL) for some GPs they going to get money that night, however they rather get money from someone thier attacted to.[/QUOTE]I know what you mean but at least in my case it was always just a sell. They'd throw out a number and stick to it. Then once you're in, start the countdown and only one shot and then she's off to the next guy downstairs.
I've had some good connections with clinica / terma girls who would just want to hang out and show me around the city or have a cheap dinner and go back to my place to have some fun at no charge.
The worst one's in my personal experience would be the girls who speak decent english and try to get you to go with them because they think it's better for you since the language barrier isn't a issue.
They charge a higher fee and the feeling wasnt natural or alluring in my case.
I found centaurus in rio to be the worst offender where I was constantly approached by 2 girls at the same time and they would offer me a "deal" to go with both of them at whatever price within 3 minutes of me sitting down.
Happened every single time I went.
If a GP is interested it's pretty obvious and they put effort to make you comfortable and will ask a low price or go down on their price.
I had a carioca pause her vacation and fly back to see me for one day just so we could get some lunch and fuck and then flew back out the next day.
Funny enough I had only met her once back in September 2020 so guess I made a really good impression on her, she was also a centaurus girl so go figure.
We still stay in contact and she's always helping me out navigate rio and even gave me some advice on another GP.
So when a GP likes you she really lets you know.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2734234]The private doctor without insurance is not cheap in my experience. I saw a doctor on the same day appointment for 500 BRL. The other private chain clinics I tried was like 350 BRL for booking but it's not the same day.[/QUOTE]I need a ENT Specialist.
I figured since there are tons of hospitals that it would be fairly reasonable to find a good one that can do the sinusitis surgery for a few thousand BRL.
Which is a fair rate since the same rate in the US is 5-7 K USD.
Again sorry to stray a bit off topic but I figured some one on the board had experience doing some medical stuff in Brazil since I think one of the top 3 reasons people travel is for cheap medical work to be done.
[QUOTE=Bearsi;2734353]The worst one's in my personal experience would be the girls who speak decent english and try to get you to go with them because they think it's better for you since the language barrier isn't a issue.
If a GP is interested it's pretty obvious and they put effort to [b]make you comfortable[/b][/QUOTE]I know what you mean [B]....[/B].
I just would not automatically dismiss a GP for thier perceived aggressiveness (and hope BMs don't dismiss them out of hand) YMMV. There are many reasons for so call agressiveness (most of which is true there are sharks in the water seeking thier next target / victim). I also wouldn't put down a GP who speaks english. The GP may think speaking english will "[B]make you comfortable[/B]" how many BMs complain (or are hesitant or are frustrated) that they don't understand portuguese and communicating via translator app is not the best experience to communicate. Yet we are on the defensive with a English speaking GP. If they speak english maybe the GP educated and/or have a regular job and they come to Scandallo as a GPSJ. They approach a BM sometimes because they are attracted to them.
Get the joke. ESL (English as a Second Language) vs GPSJ (Garota de Programa as a Second Job) LOL!
Also a Newbe could be agressive due to the competition and they trying to make money but they still want to be with you. Once they get the lay of the land and understand how things work they may be tone down thier agressiveness but non the less if you look like Chris Hemsworth / Brad Pit what is a GP to do? LOL.
[QUOTE=Bearsi;2734355]I need a ENT Specialist.....[/QUOTE]That is the type of doctor I saw. I can give you her whatsapp so you can make query online if you want to send me a PM.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2734234]The private doctor without insurance is not cheap in my experience. I saw a doctor on the same day appointment for 500 BRL. The other private chain clinics I tried was like 350 BRL for booking but it's not the same day.[/QUOTE]Nounce, 500 BRL is nothing to see a doctor. You might be coming from a European country with a socialized health system. I'm guessing Bearsi does not have insurance coverage that covers this procedure in its entirety.
[QUOTE=Bearsi;2734335]I remembered not too long ago that girls werent allowed to do this in Scandallo and other boates like cafe photo and the such since it can really throw you off and makes things awkward or was I mistaken. ....[/QUOTE]I don't disagree about the rule. What I reported is what happened to me. I was alone sitting on the couch by the elevator. They would sit down next to me first. Some would start to make small talk if I didn't initiate. My post topic specifically says it is for newbie. It's a baiting process, she started with drink, then hoping I would grope her, following me to the bathroom was the most unusual, and her dropping her price to 500 BRL I told her my true intention early that I just got off work and wanted to relax, I don't want to have sex yet but I should have rejected her from the beginning.
Some also approached me in the restaurant when I was having dinner to ask if I want a companion. I reported a college girl did that before. It also happened two more times last week. Then a few that just talked dirty to me in the bar like eating my ass, or suck my dick and stuff like that.
I could say this about myself at Scandallo or any other boates. If I show interest at a girl and initiate conversation, 99% of the time I would take her to the room and frequently that is the only girl I talked to all night because the girls I have picked at Scandallo always say yes to all my requests consistently so no reason for rejection unless she insists on going to the room right away.
Typically the girl will not approach you but they will lock eyes with you and smile waiting for you to approach. One of my best experience was with a girl that was with a group of girls all night like she wasn't there working. Her friends noticed me and left her alone at the table for me to approach. I don't know how they figure out which girl I was interested in. LOL.
[QUOTE=TheCritic;2734345]Is it that the "agressive" GP one you don't like (understandable you want what you want....[/QUOTE]It's just an information post for newbie about what I think is a baiting process.
[QUOTE=Bearsi;2734353]I found centaurus in rio to be the worst offender where I was constantly approached by 2 girls at the same time and they would offer me a "deal" to go with both of them at whatever price within 3 minutes of me sitting down.
Happened every single time I went.
If a GP is interested it's pretty obvious and they put effort to make you comfortable and will ask a low price or go down on their price.
I had a carioca pause her vacation and fly back to see me for one day just so we could get some lunch and fuck and then flew back out the next day.
Funny enough I had only met her once back in September 2020 so guess I made a really good impression on her, she was also a centaurus girl so go figure.
We still stay in contact and she's always helping me out navigate rio and even gave me some advice on another GP.
So when a GP likes you she really lets you know.[/QUOTE]Centaurus has been an unique case for a long time. It's in the heart of the tourist zone. For years, they had a girl greet you and follow you around. You had to shake her off if you were not interested.
I believe the management encourages the hardsell tactics. Centaurus has never had the fun atmosphere of other termas.
I also met a Centaurus girl. I didn't know it at the time. It was in an outdoor cafe on Ave. Atlantica. She was as chill as could be hanging out. I told her I didn't have enough cash on me to take her to my apartment. She said it was okay if I got the money in the morning.
[QUOTE=TheCritic;2734357]I know what you mean [B]....[/B].
I just would not automatically dismiss a GP for thier perceived aggressiveness ...The GP may think speaking english will "make you comfortable" how many BMs complain (or are hesitant or are frustrated) that they don't understand portuguese and communicating via translator app is not the best experience to communicate....[/QUOTE]In this case, she pressured me and that made me uncomfortable. I picked one that spoke English. I am also not looking for a 9 or 10 in face because the ones I picked all have some flaws I that noticed immediately but I like their overall appearance.
Slow nights for girls are sure to have great final prices.
If the nice looking girl has not scored one client around dawn and there are bills to pay, there will be special offer for sure.
And making sex at dawn is a great feeling. World flows in slow motion at 4:30 am.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2734474]I don't disagree about the rule. What I reported is what happened to me. I was alone sitting on the couch by the elevator. They would sit down next to me first. Some would start to make small talk if I didn't initiate. My post topic specifically says it is for newbie. It's a baiting process, she started with drink, then hoping I would grope her, following me to the bathroom was the most unusual, and her dropping her price to 500 BRL I told her my true intention early that I just got off work and wanted to relax, I don't want to have sex yet but I should have rejected her from the beginning.
Some also approached me in the restaurant when I was having dinner to ask if I want a companion. I reported a college girl did that before. It also happened two more times last week. Then a few that just talked dirty to me in the bar like eating my ass, or suck my dick and stuff like that.
I could say this about myself at Scandallo or any other boates. If I show interest at a girl and initiate conversation, 99% of the time I would take her to the room and frequently that is the only girl I talked to all night because the girls I have picked at Scandallo always say yes to all my requests consistently so no reason for rejection unless she insists on going to the room right away.
Typically the girl will not approach you but they will lock eyes with you and smile waiting for you to approach. One of my best experience was with a girl that was with a group of girls all night like she wasn't there working. Her friends noticed me and left her alone at the table for me to approach. I don't know how they figure out which girl I was interested in. LOL.[/QUOTE]I meant I remember it was policy at scandallo for girls not to approach and try to pressure a guy into a session. Just like how they can't have their phones on them while out in lobby / club / patio / restaurant.
This was the policy for sure in cafe photo when it re opened in Oct. And it was like that when I went in Nov. Made it more relaxed just to look around, have some drinks and chat with your friends and once you're ready you just flag a girl down to come over.
Another reason why I liked SP over Rio since in rio all the termas are small and so girls will approach all the time. Solarium was the best for me in Rio because the girls who would approach would just make small talk and ask if you needed help talking since they can spot a non porto speaker a mile away. Never would try to get me to buy them drinks and would just be very chill.
[QUOTE=Bearsi;2734576]I meant I remember it was policy at scandallo for girls not to approach and try to pressure a guy into a session. Just like how they can't have their phones on them while out in lobby / club / patio / restaurant.....[/QUOTE]I understand. But regardless what the policy is, the purpose of my post is tailored to provide information to help newbie in this situation, not a trip report or a complaint about girls. It also helps newbies to understand the pricing dynamic. The girls automatically lowered the price on more than one occasion when they approached me. I also have 500 BRL first offer the last time because I want to find out what the unattractive girls charge so I asked when they approached me.
Another point is don't grope the girl if you are not ready to commit. I kept my hands to myself when she was fondling my dick inside my pants.
I dress poorly or very simple, my shoes are dirty, and my overall appearance is unremarkable.
A member joking with me has coined a term about my approach which I have been trying to change. haha
[QUOTE=HiddenEye;2734531]Slow nights for girls are sure to have great final prices...[/QUOTE]Or in my case, it's around the beginning of her shift, if I went with her under pressure, then she already had money in the bank before the night started.
[QUOTE=Bearsi;2734576]I meant I remember it was policy at scandallo for girls not to approach and try to pressure a guy into a session. Just like how they can't have their phones on them while out in lobby / club / patio / restaurant.
This was the policy for sure in cafe photo when it re opened in Oct. And it was like that when I went in Nov. Made it more relaxed just to look around, have some drinks and chat with your friends and once you're ready you just flag a girl down to come over.
Another reason why I liked SP over Rio since in rio all the termas are small and so girls will approach all the time. Solarium was the best for me in Rio because the girls who would approach would just make small talk and ask if you needed help talking since they can spot a non porto speaker a mile away. Never would try to get me to buy them drinks and would just be very chill.[/QUOTE]There's no policy for girls not to approach guys, it happens often. Most just don't because they know its not classy, its better for them to make eye contact and the guy will call her over if interested so she has better odds of hooking the guy. The pushy ones are desperate to make money and open to negotiate.
[QUOTE=VisitUSA;2732477]Follow up on the above websites.
Suspicious number that is found on several of those websites: (11) 99106-6691.
Several girls listed with that number are very attractive, but I don't have a good feeling about it:
[URL]https://escortsvogue.com/fresh-escort-girl-near-avenida-paulista-samara-prada/[/URL]
[URL]https://myescortgirls.com.br/escorts-in-sao-paulo/fresh-female-escorts-in-jardins-avenida-paulista-sp/[/URL]
[URL]https://myescortgirls.com.br/brunette-escorts/get-ready-to-meet-lais-mulatta-11-99106-6691/[/URL]
[URL]https://myescortgirls.com.br/escorts-in-sao-paulo/find-sao-paulo-escorts-online-today-at-my-escort-girls-like-babi-miller/[/URL].[/QUOTE]I read through many pages and I'm very thankful for the information. I was happy to learn that there are a lot of options in Sao Paolo. Clinicas with or without massage, nightclubs and escorts. If I have time I will try them all but due to time constraints, I only have a day in Sao Paolo, I would like to ask which would you recommend for me to try for the best experience Sao Paolo can offer?
Thanks!
[QUOTE=BoobLuvah;2735421]I read through many pages and I'm very thankful for the information. I was happy to learn that there are a lot of options in Sao Paolo. Clinicas with or without massage, nightclubs and escorts. If I have time I will try them all but due to time constraints, I only have a day in Sao Paolo, I would like to ask which would you recommend for me to try for the best experience Sao Paolo can offer?
Thanks![/QUOTE]Clinicas daytime, nightclubs / boates at night. Skip websites, waste of time.
[QUOTE=BoobLuvah;2735421]I read through many pages and I'm very thankful for the information. I was happy to learn that there are a lot of options in Sao Paolo. Clinicas with or without massage, nightclubs and escorts. If I have time I will try them all but due to time constraints, I only have a day in Sao Paolo, I would like to ask which would you recommend for me to try for the best experience Sao Paolo can offer?Thanks![/QUOTE]Don't know when you depart for SP or area your staying (some areas are more closer to Clinicas) but read/research the past posts here.
-[url=https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?hl=en&mid=1DojPORpBnrYUtX74_Y4YoRK0kEJ1BzbU&ll=-23.601188921170436%2C-46.70205444958332&z=12][u]Clinicas[/u][/url] during the daytime.
-Scandallo [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xObcvYZ1Ak[/URL] at night for the experience (expensive). There are others to check out but with limited time check this one out.
-Casarao is good at night also if you don't want to spend Scandallo prices.
Don't waste time with online resources they often don't have a good sense (of your) time and can be very late to downright flake a meeting.
[QUOTE=BoobLuvah;2735421]I read through many pages and I'm very thankful for the information. I was happy to learn that there are a lot of options in Sao Paolo. Clinicas with or without massage, nightclubs and escorts. If I have time I will try them all but due to time constraints, I only have a day in Sao Paolo, I would like to ask which would you recommend for me to try for the best experience Sao Paolo can offer?[/QUOTE]Scandallos for sure. I went to Bahamas before and was thoroughly unimpressed.
A tip for Scandallos. Do not let the girls order the beer with salt. It costs 2 x the price of the beer just for salt. I think it's a scam the girls and management run as a lot of girls try to order it.
Scandalo must be visited, at least once, for the visual experience. Not speaking Portuguese is a hassle with most of the girls, but speaking Spanish helps. Some girls are very direct and others would just stare, waiting for your move.
The Clinicas are a good lower cost option, but most pictures do not show what the dress can hide.
The escort websites are convenient if you wish to enjoy the service at your hotel. Some ads are handled by the providers and some by "agents". Not all providers reply or open the messages that you send them, so it is best to send messages to a few girls. If you are lucky, you can have a good experience. I would avoid providers that text you too many rules.
Anyone experience this one yet? Kinda curious.
[URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/acompanhantes/sao-paulo/vou-babar-bem-gostoso-no-seu-pau-enquanto-voce-leva-jatos-de-squirt-deliciosos-na-cara-id-2edxq[/URL]
[QUOTE=Anaggie;2735770]Anyone experience this one yet? Kinda curious.
[URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/acompanhantes/sao-paulo/vou-babar-bem-gostoso-no-seu-pau-enquanto-voce-leva-jatos-de-squirt-deliciosos-na-cara-id-2edxq[/URL][/QUOTE]Man when are you guys going to learn from fucking with photoacompanhantes LOLOLOL! Why not stick to the higher end sites with solid reviews? Real, high quality tutes with no bullshit!
[QUOTE=Anaggie;2735770]Anyone experience this one yet? Kinda curious.
[URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/acompanhantes/sao-paulo/vou-babar-bem-gostoso-no-seu-pau-enquanto-voce-leva-jatos-de-squirt-deliciosos-na-cara-id-2edxq[/URL][/QUOTE]No, and not worth R500. I looked at her instagram, and she got bad boobs job, like surgery mark down the middle. If you like the type, go for it, but not for me.
[QUOTE=FlowState985;2735791]No, and not worth R500. I looked at her instagram, and she got bad boobs job, like surgery mark down the middle. If you like the type, go for it, but not for me.[/QUOTE]Cool. Thanks for letting me know. I was going to TOFTT but with the bad boob job scars. Not interested.
[QUOTE=Anaggie;2735770]Anyone experience this one yet? Kinda curious.
[URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/acompanhantes/sao-paulo/vou-babar-bem-gostoso-no-seu-pau-enquanto-voce-leva-jatos-de-squirt-deliciosos-na-cara-id-2edxq[/URL][/QUOTE]I've tried every single online site in SP and PA is the worst and would never recommend.
If you have low standards and want a cheap fuck and you don't really care what comes thru the door as long as it's a biological girl then sure.
I've met some guys like that in Brazil who will fuck a 2/10 and count it as a win since he paid her $20 USD for 30 mins.
PA is a bunch of bait and switch and flakes. Some might find a diamond in the rough but for most of us who are here for days or 2 weeks max it's not worth your time or seed.
You'd find the equivalent options in republica park with all the SW tbh.
Try everything but PA if you value your time.
[QUOTE=Bearsi;2735826]PA is a bunch of bait and switch and flakes. Some might find a diamond in the rough but for most of us who are here for days or 2 weeks max it's not worth your time or seed.
[/QUOTE]This.
First time I visited SP, I tried PA, and it was a waste of time, a lot of bait and switch, not to mention you got to setup a time to meet them, and then uber back and forth and the cost of Uber.
There are a lot of fraud on PA so stay away and don't risk it / waste your time.
[QUOTE=FlowState985;2735914]This.
First time I visited SP, I tried PA, and it was a waste of time, a lot of bait and switch, not to mention you got to setup a time to meet them, and then uber back and forth and the cost of Uber.[/QUOTE]
[URL]https://www.gp-guia.net/[/URL]
The single best site to screen in all brasil.
[QUOTE=Fewdie;2735922]There are a lot of fraud on PA so stay away and don't risk it / waste your time.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Fewdie;2735922]There are a lot of fraud on PA so stay away and don't risk it / waste your time.[/QUOTE]Agree with you and Bearsi. I was bored and just browsing thru it to see what was on offer and that one popped up. I was curious. But not curious enough to pursue it. Wanted to see if anyone else had though.
I have been RTFF'ing in preparation for an upcoming first-time trip to Sau Paulo. I have been to Rio before and remembered finding an old guide to the Rio termas that was useful in giving me the general lay of the land, even if it was somewhat dated. Perhaps I have missed it, but I have not come across anything like that for SP thus far, beyond the useful Google Map, a list of hotels, and a few extensive Reports of Distinction. I have been trying to piece together a mental overview from the intermittent bits and pieces of actual substantive information interspersed in the chit-chat on this thread, but an actual guide or reference work would give me a better 10,000-foot view.
[QUOTE=GringoItaliano;2736098]I have been RTFF'ing in preparation for an upcoming first-time trip to Sau Paulo. I have been to Rio before and remembered finding an old guide to the Rio termas that was useful in giving me the general lay of the land, even if it was somewhat dated. Perhaps I have missed it, but I have not come across anything like that for SP thus far, beyond the useful Google Map, a list of hotels, and a few extensive Reports of Distinction. I have been trying to piece together a mental overview from the intermittent bits and pieces of actual substantive information interspersed in the chit-chat on this thread, but an actual guide or reference work would give me a better 10,000-foot view.[/QUOTE]Check out SocratesNY's report and it should help a lot (#14220).
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2204-Sao-Paulo-Reports&p=2668967[/URL]#post2668967.
[QUOTE=Anaggie;2735770]Anyone experience this one yet? Kinda curious.
[URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/acompanhantes/sao-paulo/vou-babar-bem-gostoso-no-seu-pau-enquanto-voce-leva-jatos-de-squirt-deliciosos-na-cara-id-2edxq[/URL][/QUOTE]
IMHO, NO not this particular GP, not worth 500 R, look at first picture in series left boob badly photoshoped to hide scar. There are plenty of better choices with corresponding better rates on photoacompanhantes.
Unlike previous posters I guess I've had good luck with photoacompanhantes. [U]But overall it is a crapshoot when you are using online resources.[/U].
I don't know if this helps but during Whatsapp scheduling / negotiations (trying to keep them honest) I always state that I post reviews on [URL]https://www.gp-guia.net/viewforum.php?f=2[/URL] and if photos do not match look I will not session (I try to meet outside of my hotel lobby if they not good then walk away, so far had not experience where I had to walk away) . Some will dropoff conversations, I'm assuming these are the fakes however the ones that have accepted / TD'ed have been great.
Now if you have to go to thier place you [U]may[/U] lose the opportunity to just walk away. Also if you use a ST Hotel you could wait outside to meet and then pay for room. Howerver be aware on one occasion GP wanted me to pay for room and give room number before leaving residence to meet. Gave Room number and 15 minutes later (tracked uber) showed up but came strait to room so in this case I got did get lucky but in retrospect anyone could have shown up (scary).
Just my opinion, it looks like photoacompanhantes are aware of the complaints since a good number of listings state "verified photos or videos". This still does not prevent a bait and switch situation.
Either way I do not subscribe to Photoacompanhantes being a waste of time, I do susbscribe to proceed with caution and be picky and use techniques to ensure the listing is what shows up. I can see where BMs can be fustrated by "bait and switch" listings, older age than listing or photo, heavy photoshoped images, etc. YEMV.
Now the Photoacompanhantes-GP session experience / satisfaction is a whole different subject, my commentary is only with what you see advertised is what shows up or you meet is the same.
[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2735946][URL]https://www.gp-guia.net/[/URL]
The single best site to screen in all brasil.[/QUOTE]Yes, absolutely.
The key metric on Gpguia is "Test Drives". Look for escorts with many positive Test Drives and very few negative ones. As with any review site, look for with reviewers with a significant amount of posts. A girl with a few positive reviews from one time posters isn't a very reliable indication of what to expect.
It also helps to learn the Portuguese words for face, ass, breasts, body, attitude, etc. These are rated on a ten scale by many reviewers.
A friend of mine from Sao Paulo sent me a short clip from a fantastic escort doing a catwalk for his iphone in the parking basement. He picked her from the new location of a classy boate. She's a gorgeous japa (Brazilian Japanese).
And the car speaks for itself, he's a wealthy Brazilian.
The doctor says those legs on my shoulders will be good for my back pain. LOL. She's a 10 for my tastes.
Yes, this is the kind of escorts you can find in Scandallo, Cafe Photo and some private events.
[QUOTE=HiddenEye;2736807]A friend of mine from Sao Paulo sent me a short clip from a fantastic escort doing a catwalk for his iphone in the parking basement. He picked her from the new location of a classy boate. She's a gorgeous japa (Brazilian Japanese).
And the car speaks for itself, he's a wealthy Brazilian.
The doctor says those legs on my shoulders will be good for my back pain. LOL. She's a 10 for my tastes.
Yes, this is the kind of escorts you can find in Scandallo, Cafe Photo and some private events.[/QUOTE]Mouthwatering find by your friend. Good for him, curious on the location of this classy boate LOL. I can't see her face well, but from what I can see she might be indeed a 9-10. Your pics are always spot on BTW, great motivating reports.
[QUOTE=HiddenEye;2736807]A friend of mine from Sao Paulo sent me a short clip from a fantastic escort doing a catwalk for his iphone in the parking basement. He picked her from the new location of a classy boate. [/QUOTE]Possible to get the name of this boate??
Yes sure, he as many Brazilians, goes to Cafe Photo. Scandallo has these kind of beauties as we all know.
[QUOTE=Anaggie;2736896]Possible to get the name of this boate??[/QUOTE]Thanks Blue, one image means more than 1000 words. I will ask for more info about this girl in particular. Would love to shoot with her after the corresponding test drive of course.
[QUOTE=EverythingBlue;2736896]Mouthwatering find by your friend. Good for him, curious on the location of this classy boate LOL. I can't see her face well, but from what I can see she might be indeed a 9-10. Your pics are always spot on BTW, great motivating reports. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=HiddenEye;2736807][b].... [/b]the new location of a classy boate.[/QUOTE]Inquiring Minds would love to know the name of this "Classy Boate" You can at least PM the name?
I recall reading about good quality love hotels that have GPS usually present and waiting around, I would like to know which are still good. I arrive back in Sao Paulo in late September.
[QUOTE=HiddenEye;2736807]A friend of mine from Sao Paulo sent me a short clip from a fantastic escort doing a catwalk for his iphone in the parking basement. He picked her from the new location of a classy boate. She's a gorgeous japa (Brazilian Japanese).
And the car speaks for itself, he's a wealthy Brazilian.
The doctor says those legs on my shoulders will be good for my back pain. LOL. She's a 10 for my tastes.
Yes, this is the kind of escorts you can find in Scandallo, Cafe Photo and some private events.[/QUOTE]Photo not in Brazil then, none of those cars have Brazilian plates. Plus they are required to have front plates.
[URL]https://www.guiademoteis.com.br/rio-de-janeiro[/URL]
This is the top shelf guide for motels in all of Brazil. A good technique is to find out where the girl lives (like Meier, in Rio) and propose to go to a motel in her 'hood (like Corinto).
Instant cred.
In the Swiss Navy, we call that getting inside her OODA (Observe Orient Decide Act) loop. Bring some lube -- Swiss Navy -- bring your tests, and stick it up her ass.
[QUOTE=ParsTiger;2737057]I recall reading about good quality love hotels that have GPS usually present and waiting around, I would like to know which are still good. I arrive back in Sao Paulo in late September.[/QUOTE]
Hi Universal, the only classy boate with new location is Cafe Photo.
Its third location in about 15 years.
[QUOTE=UniversalX;2736978]Inquiring Minds would love to know the name of this "Classy Boate" You can at least PM the name?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Hobbying;2737075]Photo not in Brazil then, none of those cars have Brazilian plates. Plus they are required to have front plates.[/QUOTE]Even if you are required to have front plate, I wouldn't put a front plate on a nice Lambo, I would just take a ticket and move on. A front plate on a junker, but a nice lambo? Hell nah.
[QUOTE=HiddenEye;2737105]Hi Universal, the only classy boate with new location is Cafe Photo.
Its third location in about 15 years.[/QUOTE]Thanks, I was hoping you were going to Name A Brand New Boate Unknown to the forum. The address change has been mentioned numerious times during and after COVID (COVID is not over yet you know what I mean regarding timeline).
Cafe Photo, I have not seen a confirmation but if they still fingerprint I will pass on this Boate.
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2204-Sao-Paulo-Reports&p=2719771&viewfull=1#post2719771[/URL]
[QUOTE=ParsTiger;2737057]I recall reading about good quality love hotels that have GPS usually present and waiting around, I would like to know which are still good. I arrive back in Sao Paulo in late September.[/QUOTE]
Sao Paulo Specific Link.
[URL]https://www.guiademoteis.com.br/sao-paulo[/URL]
You can email or call to find out. If you find one please let us know.
I have no knowledge of SP Love Hotels with in-house GPs present or GP viewing catalog.
I went last week and they still have fingerprint.
[QUOTE=UniversalX;2737382]Thanks, I was hoping you were going to Name A Brand New Boate Unknown to the forum. The address change has been mentioned numerious times during and after COVID (COVID is not over yet you know what I mean regarding timeline).
Cafe Photo, I have not seen a confirmation but if they still fingerprint I will pass on this Boate.
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2204-Sao-Paulo-Reports&p=2719771&viewfull=1#post2719771[/URL][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=UniversalX;2737382]Cafe Photo, I have not seen a confirmation but if they still fingerprint I will pass on this Boate.
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2204-Sao-Paulo-Reports&p=2719771&viewfull=1#post2719771[/URL][/QUOTE][QUOTE=DukesFord;2737533]I went last week and they still have fingerprint.[/QUOTE]I don't like the fingerprint BS on general principals. It seems like a huge invasion of my privacy plus I can't think of any other bordello in the world that requires it, but what actual harm can it cause? What is the worst possible downside?
[QUOTE=FlowState985;2737372]Even if you are required to have front plate, I wouldn't put a front plate on a nice Lambo, I would just take a ticket and move on. A front plate on a junker, but a nice lambo? Hell nah.[/QUOTE]I was referring to all the cars in the photo. Plates in Brasil look like Euro plates elongate and they have tamper proof locks on the them so people can't just remove them. Point is I call BS, photo of girl was not in Brasil.
Hi Hobbying, yeah you're partly right, regular cars are required to have two plates. I didn't check regulations for sport cars, but from my photos of the Salao do Automovel, I guess sport cars have special treatment.
And be sure if road police stops you with such a car, and maybe woman company, you'll have another treatment.
I don't know about Germany or Switzerland, but Brasil (with an S) is a very different place.
Note: sorry, cars and gorgeous women are my weakness.
[QUOTE=Hobbying;2737075]Photo not in Brazil then, none of those cars have Brazilian plates. Plus they are required to have front plates.[/QUOTE]
I went to Bomboa, I refer to that house as Bombo, and had a special experience.
There was a woman in her late 40's I suppose, Brazilian, classy, and she didn't look like and escort, nor was dressing as one. When I finally approached, she was polite and her accent educated. She told me she was not an escort.
She was simple and straight. "I love girls and I'm looking for one". I told her it was a great place to find one, 'cause there are lots of girls who offer their company to couples and women. She said thanks and went to the bar.
When I was on the way to my hotel in the taxi, great place for philosophy in the back seat, I spent few minutes to think of it.
Big stake of the escort market may be required by other women. This is not a "social issue" created by males only, as feminists want to make us believe.
Oh yeah, but they are very discreet I'm sure.
[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2737536][b]I don't like the fingerprint BS on general principals. It seems like a huge invasion of my privacy [/b]plus I can't think of any other bordello in the world that requires it, but what actual harm can it cause? What is the worst possible downside?[/QUOTE]I concur.
Prospective Harm / Downside, unknown but IMHO it exists. Therefore I will avoid.
Hello Everyone,
Here are some of the things I've experienced:
1) Hotel Bourbon Convention Center.
--Bed is hard, I'm on floor 1.
--Need Key card to get into room.
--I don't think it has heat, not a huge deal, but it's a tad chilly.
--Internet-Slow around 12 mbs, I brought Ethernet cable, but I don't think the wired outlet works.
--Bringing girls back, they allow. If you do not book room for 2, they'll charge 150 each night, but if you book for 2 then they won't.
--I think you are limited to two additional guests in one day. Example: If you booked for 2 then you, one guest are free and you can bring up to two more that day, no 5 somes to my knowledge. I haven't brought more than one girl back so this is just an assumption.
--Across the street from the mall, watch out for the clowns. They ask money for kids and it's annoying. You'll see them.
--Location is great if you want to go to clinics, it's a short walk between all. Walking about 10 minutes to Abbodora and 15-20 minutes to Lotus Lounge Massage).
--Not great for food options.
--Gym- conveniently located between two Smartfits (25 BRL for a day).
--They'll do laundry (costs).
--You can ask for iron and ironing board, but you have to return.
--Lots of people stay here, it gets somewhat busy during the day. Business related people.
--Airplane noise, not bad, not great. It hasn't woken me up at night.
--The breakfast the provide is not great
2) Tsue Palace.
--I've walked by and did notice several working girls at it and at the bars / restaurants.
--Not sure I'd stay here, but it'd be convenient.
3) Spas, not particular happy, to be fair I've had less than stellar events and it just kills my mood.
-Abbodra.
-I've gone to this one primarily.
-I can never understand names, I thought I said the correct name, but instead I got someone else. By the time we figured it out she was taken, I was pissed but not their fault.
-going forward I'm going to stand with reception and ask her to point to the name on the list of the girl as she walks in and I'll write it on my phone and mark with " the more " the higher rating.
-second best lineup, also the largest. 20-25 sometimes.
-it gets busy at 6. I was behind a group of 7 dicks, literally they had just walked in. They couldn't decide, but myself and another monger wanted Girl A and be. The other monger not part of the group asked for Girl A. But be / see the 7 dick group was their first, the reception gave them the option to pick her first. They did. That monger picked someone else. The other 6 dicks were still debating, I then asked for Girl be. Well you guessed it, reception asked the remaining 6 dicks in the group if they wanted her and one did. So I left and went to Joy who was suppose to be open, but closed.
-I asked who will be working tomorrow on whatsapp and they said same girls as today with no names. Idiots. I swear Brazilians are lazy.
-Lotus Lounge massage.
-They have pictures online with some faces and most without, when you go in they show the girls face on the tablet.
-The hottest girls, not sure it's worth the price.
-I booked a girl 20 minutes before arriving, I started to walk. The reception messaged me saying if she leaves or something happens can she message me and let me know. I said no problem see you in 10 minutes. Well you guessed it. When I got in she wasn't available. SMH, wtf. At this point I've been cancelled / postponed several times today (twitter / boate girls), and that day specifically I was suppose to have a reputable boate girl suck my dick while I was in meetings all day, we agreed the day prior she'd do it. She messaged me an hour after she was suppose to show saying she just woke and has to be at work at 7. I said no problem, let me know when you arrive. NO response. The worst part was she was sending me videos of her sucking dick and asking about lingerie / costumes and all this sexual stuff, so I was all built up. Then let down be / see she never showed. I digress. So back to the "scheduled" session at Lotus. I pick another girl but at this point I'm fuming between the "reservation" and boate girl. I get in the room lay down and I'm very cold / angry. She comes in, I don't get up and just say Hi (I don't speak Portuguese). She starts massaging, not a good massage. Eventually I turn around and she hot and sexy. I get hard she puts on a condom and rides me. I flip her over on her back and she wouldn't let me go deep, I'm not huge but bigger. I can see the pain in her face and she asks to go to doggy. At this point my mood is turning again. Well in doggy I feel like she's doing the same thing. I lose interest and 15 minutes into the session I want to leave. What a damn waste of a day. I don't know how you guys do it here. Also, it was 45 minutes not an hour.
-I did have one session with Pitty a few days prior to the above and she was great. Good Deepthroat but I felt she didn't want me to CIM.
-Miruna / Prime.
-Not worth it in my opinion.
-Joy.
-Went twice, it was closed Monday when it said it'd be open.
-When I went they had two girls.
4) ATM.
-Screw US Bank-the debit card doesn't work at Santander.
-Santander in the mall allows 3,000 BRL at a time.
-Bradesco across from the mall limits to 890.
-My Charles Schwab card worked at Santander, but I lost it and ordered a new one.
5) Twitter / Boate girls.
-I'll send more details later. Be PREPARED to be cancelled on many times. Just writing this I am getting mad with all the cancellations from these twats. Literally schedule the night before and they cancel. The dick meeting girl said she had to work, then messaged me that night saying she was feeling bad and didn't want to go to Scandallo, but would like to reschedule the next time? What, did you have to work or not feel good? LIARS!
-Message me if you want names. I don't have many
-twitter handle: Httmolinaa Micaela Molina this girls deepthroats and loves it. I recommend. God damn it was hot.
6) Ubereats
---no longer available
---iFood require Brazilian number
---Rappi I can't figure out why they keep declining when i checkout. It has nothing to do with my CC or Paypal.
---This is a huge let down. B/c I can't get ubereats (I work during the day), I now need to figure out what to do for lunch/dinner. An unforseen obstacle.
7) OVERALL FEELINGS
---I'm not loving it here. The girls are hot and good sex, but overall this trip I've only nutted like 7 times (if I was in FKKs, i'd probably nutted 25 times). Oh one of the boate girls was the worst sex I've ever had, good person but terrible sex. I love the fkks for all the reason i hate it here. I would write more, but I have a meeting i need to prepare for. The stress of scheduling/not speaking portuguese and the time to go from one place to another. Not worth it.
Thanks for those who read, obviously you can tell I'm on edge with my experiences here.
I can't figure out how to edit my post, I did it earlier but now I can't. The quoted section should have said:
-Abbodra.
-it gets busy at 6. I was behind a group of 7 dicks, literally they had just walked in. They couldn't decide, but myself and another monger who walked in before me but not part of 7 dick club, we wanted Girl AA and BB. The other monger not part of the group asked for Girl AA. But the receptionist asked the 7 dick group, who was their before myself and the monger, if they wanted Girl AA, and one guy in 7 dick club wanted her. That monger then picked someone else. The other 6 dicks were still debating, I then asked for Girl BB. Well you guessed it, reception asked the remaining 6 dicks club if one of them wanted Girl BB and one did. So I left and went to Joy who was suppose to be open, but closed.
[QUOTE]
-Abbodra.
-it gets busy at 6. I was behind a group of 7 dicks, literally they had just walked in. They couldn't decide, but myself and another monger wanted Girl A and be. The other monger not part of the group asked for Girl A. But be / see the 7 dick group was their first, the reception gave them the option to pick her first. They did. That monger picked someone else. The other 6 dicks were still debating, I then asked for Girl be. Well you guessed it, reception asked the remaining 6 dicks in the group if they wanted her and one did. So I left [/QUOTE]
BOATES:
I hate negotiating, that's why i prefer FKKs and not boates. Especially since I can lose 100 euros but only lose 30 minutes, sure you can get a girl all night for 300 euros (1,500 BRLs), but you gamble on how good she is. It's not worth testing a girl at Scandallo, in my opnion for 250 Euros (part of consumables like buying a drink PLUS room PLUS her Rate) = (150 BRL + 250 BRL + 850 BRL). I'd rather pay 70 euros and then 100 to 150 euros per fuck. Weighted average cost of times I can nut is much lower in FKKs, and I can nut way more times. To be fair, not being able to speak Portuguese is a good factor in the cost/fun calculation. I can't say hey that hurts, or yeah like that....in FKKS because most speak English I can.
You may wonder why I'm here...I'm debating about cancelling my remaining trip, booking a flight this weekend to Frankfurt and then back to USA. It's like the girls here don't want to make money.
In FKKS, i would have probably spent $4000 plus in the last week (not going all day because of work) and nutted at least 25 times. Here, I've probably spent $2000 and only 7 nuts...and a lot of loss sleep with the girls staying the night.
Fkk dollar cost equals 160 per nut
Brazil dollar cost equals 285...almost double the cost and more frustration and wasted time.
1) Cafe Photo.
--Went on a Thursday and Saturday.
--Thursday had a great selection, I don't remember the entry. Not as good or big as Scandalo.
--Saturday was DEAD.
--I took a girl home and she was a sweet and fun person to talk to. She spoke nearly perfect English.
-- Rates take out I think was 1500 for night.
2) Scandalo.
--They remodeled since Feb 2021.
--More girls than Feb 2021, I went on Friday.
--I took one girl home, not great. She talked a good game about how her BJ was, but it was terrible, I couldn't even feel it.
--Amounts were outrageous for one hour. LOL no way 1,500 or 1,000 for an hour plus the room rental. I didn't have sex, I wasn't in the mood.
3) Casaro.
--I think 150 brl to go in with consumable.
--Half hour with girls cost 250.
--One hour costs 400.
--Room I 50 for 30 minutes or 100 for an hour.
--Girl take out is 100.
--Good option to find some hotties.
--I think I went on Monday and I was surprised with the selection.
--Bar / dance main floor.
--Basement has food and bar and outdoor patio to smoke.
--I had two girls, both were good not great. The 22 year old had some big old natural titties. She was cute and somewhat mechanical but not. Her BJ wasn't good, she would allow CIM, but be / see it wasn't good I couldn't.
4) Zeus. Strip club.
--Went Wednesday night, around 930 PM.
--No girls were dancing all sitting.
--works like Casaro.
--Do not recommend.
--200 brl to enter and that include consumables, for 203 I got a water bottle, jack daniels and a gin drink.
[QUOTE=DukesFord;2738595]Thanks for those who read, obviously you can tell I'm on edge with my experiences here.[/QUOTE]1. If you are still staying at this Hotel Bourbon, there are a lot of food option around the area with short distance for lunch / dinner.
2. I stayed at Tsue Flat, it is very convenient for location but noisy due to airplanes because the window is parallel to the landing strip, which means you will hear them arriving and taking off the whole way. I did not check out the bar area, I might do it next time and we'll see.
3. As far as clinicas / spas, you can ask them for updates on whatsapp. It will have names, pics, and when they will be working that day.
6. If you preferred to get iFood for delivery, try and get a Brazilian Sim card at the mall next to the hotel and set it up that way.
"I don't know how you guys do it here. ".
Well, majority of us are on vacation and not working here so our time and your time is different. We don't have to worry about working during the day and find someone for the afternoon. We can go 11 AM or 2 PM before rush hour versus you went at 6 PM which is where majority of the Brazilian get off after work and go, even after 4 Pm it starts to get busy. And for boate girls and even clinica girls, they usually come to work 1-2 PM, because they go to boates until early morning and then sleep all day.
[QUOTE=DukesFord;2738638]BOATES:
1) Cafe Photo.
--Went on a Thursday and Saturday.
--Thursday had a great selection, I don't remember the entry. Not as good or big as Scandalo.
--Saturday was DEAD.
--I took a girl home and she was a sweet and fun person to talk to. She spoke nearly perfect English.
-- Rates take out I think was 1500 for night.
[/QUOTE]This is not the Lotus Club that is next to Bomboa right? Because I heard there is supposedly two different Cafe Photos, one renamed Lotus Club.
Also, is this the one that required fingerprint?
Yeah makes sense, but the cancellations kills me. Don't schedule if you are going to cancel. Also, when you cancel (it was very vague if she was cancelling) please for the love of god respond to me when I ask you are still coming or not, she responded 3 hours later and I didn't have time find someone else. At the time she cancelled I was in meetings and was the presenter and couldn't all of a sudden find someone. I work from hotel room and I can take a break and have sex whenever I want, well not during all my meetings. I can't find a girl last minute to come to my room when you cancel or not explicit on showing up.
[QUOTE=FlowState985;2738641]
Well, majority of us are on vacation and not working here so our time and your time is different. We don't have to worry about working during the day and find someone for the afternoon. We can go 11 AM or 2 PM before rush hour versus you went at 6 PM which is where majority of the Brazilian get off after work and go, even after 4 Pm it starts to get busy. And for boate girls and even clinica girls, they usually come to work 1-2 PM, because they go to boates until early morning and then sleep all day.[/QUOTE]
Cafe Foto: Boate.
Require fingerprint.
https://www.cafephoto.com.br/
Av. Dos Bandeirantes, 1515 - Vila Olmpia, So Paulo. SP, 04553-010, Brazil.
Lotus Club: Boate.
I heard not many girls, i do not plan to go.
http://www.lotusclub.com.br/
Av. Pres. Juscelino Kubitschek, 373 - Itaim Bibi, So Paulo. SP, 04543-010, Brazil.
Lotus Lounge: Clinic.
The girls are pretty on the ipad.
Messaged whatsapp to schedule. Not the best at responding and lied.
http://www.lotuslounge.com.br/
Are. Cabo Verde, 120 - Vila Olmpia, So Paulo. SP, 04550-080, Brazil.
From the Bourbon you could walk to Lotus Lounge Clinica and Cafe Photo
[QUOTE=FlowState985;2738644]This is not the Lotus Club that is next to Bomboa right? Because I heard there is supposedly two different Cafe Photos, one renamed Lotus Club.
Also, is this the one that required fingerprint?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=DukesFord;2738595]Hello Everyone,...[/QUOTE]I figure that I need to eat more than I fuck so I stayed where it was easy to get food within walking distance. I wasn't that satisfied with sex but I was very happy with food. LOL.
I did not have luck with Abbodra but I had better luck with Miruna. I mostly went during weekend. Thais, Cecila, Nicole are good. I had a bad one who agreed to BBBJ but in the room was giving me a very long HJ instead which actually was pretty good. LOL. I got rid of her and leave the room to get another. Bruna wanted 100 more for BBBJ.
Solid reporting DukesFord. It is too bad you didn't dig SP as much as I do, but thanks for posting anyway. As has been noted before, the clinicas are best early. I like to go between 1 pm an 2 pm when most of the girls are available and there is a good chance I will be someone's 1st customer. If I don't find what I like I move on. Simple. I don't go to the Boates before 9 pm at the earliest. To my knowledge, you are the 2nd BM to report that Cafe Photo has some decent girls. I hate the thumb print BS, but I may have to check the damn place out anyway. We will see.
[QUOTE=DukesFord;2738645]Yeah makes sense, but the cancellations kills me. Don't schedule if you are going to cancel. Also, when you cancel (it was very vague if she was cancelling) please for the love of god respond to me when I ask you are still coming or not, she responded 3 hours later and I didn't have time find someone else. At the time she cancelled I was in meetings and was the presenter and couldn't all of a sudden find someone. I work from hotel room and I can take a break and have sex whenever I want, well not during all my meetings. I can't find a girl last minute to come to my room when you cancel or not explicit on showing up.[/QUOTE]The girls that cancelled on you. Were they girls from websites? Twitter / Insta? Or were they girls from a boate? Which boate?
I have never had girls cancel on me in Brazil. In fact, I think I have cancelled on more of them due to being hungover or just tired.
Both.
Twitter girl Sofia cancelled because something came up.
Twitter girl Micaela cancelled because she's wasn't feeling good, but we later rescheduled.
Boate Fernanda cancelled because she woke up late.
Clinic didn't cancel, but said I had the appointment and within 10 minutes of confirming the appointment she left.
I feel like I'm missing another cancellation.
Literaly every appointment I've made had been cancelled or rescheduled. I'm not a bad looking guy, and I've taken girls back purely on my looks and charm. I pay well, fuck good and lick a mean as pussy. It's probably bad luck, but I do a lot and I don't have time to waste. I have next week off and more flexibility.
[QUOTE=Anaggie;2738698]The girls that cancelled on you. Were they girls from websites? Twitter / Insta? Or were they girls from a boate? Which boate?
I have never had girls cancel on me in Brazil. In fact, I think I have cancelled on more of them due to being hungover or just tired.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=DukesFord;2738706]Both.
Twitter girl Sofia cancelled because something came up.
Twitter girl Micaela cancelled because she's wasn't feeling good, but we later rescheduled.
Boate Fernanda cancelled because she woke up late.
Clinic didn't cancel, but said I had the appointment and within 10 minutes of confirming the appointment she left.
I feel like I'm missing another cancellation.
Literaly every appointment I've made had been cancelled or rescheduled. I'm not a bad looking guy, and I've taken girls back purely on my looks and charm. I pay well, fuck good and lick a mean as pussy. It's probably bad luck, but I do a lot and I don't have time to waste. I have next week off and more flexibility.[/QUOTE]It sounds more like just bad luck. Shit happens. And we don't always have the full story. I would recommend to talk to two different girls for appointments maybe an hour apart just in case one cancels. This way you are in control of who to cancel. Also. If a girl doesn't answer after 30 minutes of your message, presume it is a cancellation and move on. Don't wait. If she texts back, tell her you are busy and reschedule.
[QUOTE=FlowState985;2738641]
Well, majority of us are on vacation and not working here so our time and your time is different. We don't have to worry about working during the day and find someone for the afternoon. We can go 11 AM or 2 PM before rush hour versus you went at 6 PM which is where majority of the Brazilian get off after work and go, even after 4 Pm it starts to get busy. And for boate girls and even clinica girls, they usually come to work 1-2 PM, because they go to boates until early morning and then sleep all day.[/QUOTE]I have actually been in SP for a week now and I'm working remotely while I'm here. I work on my laptop from 9-5 pm daily. I get a lunch break during this time and that's when I swing over to a clinica nearby in Moema for a quick fix and then get back to work. At night then I hit the boates some nights, other nights will call a girl over or some nights I just chill at my place or the indoor pool my apartment has. The nights I go to the boates or call a girl over, I usually go to sleep by 2/2:30 am. I can function pretty well on 6-7 HR sleep so it works for me.
Not saying this will work for everyone but it is what works for me.
[QUOTE=DukesFord;2738706] It's probably bad luck, but I do a lot and I don't have time to waste. I have next week off and more flexibility.[/QUOTE]One process that has worked recently: go to the Clinicas around 1 PM or 2 PM. Wait until you find someone you are very into. After your first session, find out which day she comes back at that Clinica, and on that day, show up at 1 PM and session for at least two hours with her (if she's not immediately available let the desk know who you are there for and you will usually wait 30 minutes max, just enjoy the presentations in the meantime). I am also time sensitive and I find in any market when I introduce logistics and hotel transportation it creates hours of waste. The extra long Clinica session with someone that has proven chemistry can create a memorable experience with off the charts IOP that is hard to pull off at a FKK. Two hours for $100 with a beautiful cool person (and minimal waiting around) is hard to beat.
[QUOTE=Trojan22;2738724]I'm working remotely while I'm here. I work on my laptop from 9-5 pm daily. I get a lunch break during this time and that's when I swing over to a clinica nearby in Moema for a quick fix and then get back to work. At night then I hit the boates[/QUOTE]I have pretty similar routine except for inviting girls over (I haven't done it yet but I am considering it). I am currently in Rio, will be in SP for a week starting this Sunday.
[QUOTE=DukesFord;2738638]BOATES:
I hate negotiating, that's why i prefer FKKs and not boates [/QUOTE]Same here. Scandallo is the worst in that respect as girls start with 1500+ starting quote and you are suppyto negotiate it down. Scandallo prices have escalated since the start of pandemic. Even though I like the club, I am hesitating to visit for the same reasons you mentioned in your post.
Have you tried Rio termas? Conceptually they are very similar to FKKs but way smaller in size. I am including Rio in my.
Recent trips to Brazil just to visit termas. Girl prices are fixed prices just like in FKKs. One thing I like is that all the services including anal, CIM etc. You negotiate are covered and you pay no extra. You should try them if you haven't. My favorite terma is Solarium. I also like 4 x4.
[QUOTE=Lalabo;2738750]Same here. Scandallo is the worst in that respect as girls start with 1500+ starting quote and you are suppyto negotiate it down. Scandallo prices have escalated since the start of pandemic. Even though I like the club, I am hesitating to visit for the same reasons you mentioned in your post.
Have you tried Rio termas? Conceptually they are very similar to FKKs but way smaller in size. I am including Rio in my.
Recent trips to Brazil just to visit termas. Girl prices are fixed prices just like in FKKs. One thing I like is that all the services including anal, CIM etc. You negotiate are covered and you pay no extra. You should try them if you haven't. My favorite terma is Solarium. I also like 4 x4.[/QUOTE]Sao Paulo: If a Boate girl and I are getting along well, one pf us before we finish our drinks, will mention boom boom and it has been my experience that only Tier 1 Scandallo girls will ask for more than 1000, (1200 to 1500 all the way up to 2000), but almost all will accept a significantly less counteroffer. Tier 2 Scandallo girls always ask less than 1000 and they will settle for 700 to 800 if it is offered. I do not go into negotiations with either type. I give a girl I am interested in a reasonable and friendly counter depending on her tier and she can accept it or find another customer. 95% of the time the girls will accept my counteroffer. For example, on my last trip I met only one girl who declined my counter and stuck with her original asking price, but she was a special case because her girl friend had lined up 3 Brazilian VIP's while the girl and I were flirting. At Bomboa it is even simpler since there is only one Tiers. I have never met a Bomboa girl walk away from 800. In fact, most Bomboa girls are happy with 600 or 700 and I am probably overpaying a little. KKK.
Rio: IMHO Solarium has the best-looking girls of any Terma in RJ, but the rooms are too small to have really good physical intercourse, and there is no take out possibility, so unless you want to pay up for a suite you are screwed (pardon the pun). KKK. So in my opinion, Solarium is not half as much fun as my 3 favorite SP Boates. 4 x4 is fun and can be quite a scene, but the quality is just not there. Sorry RJ fans but, I have never seen a Scandallo Tier 1 quality looking girl in 4 x4. Of course, everyone is entitled to their own opinion of what a good-looking girl is. But this is the reason I am skipping RJ completely on my next trip. The quality factor is so much better in SP that I want to spend a full 6 weeks in SP minus a 4-day beach getaway with my favorite SP girl, who by the way, is a mere Tier 2 Scandallo girl. That said, however, if my sexy little Tier 2 girl worked in Solarium, she would be the hottest girl in the place.
[QUOTE=DukesFord;2738706]Both.
Twitter girl Sofia cancelled because something came up.
Twitter girl Micaela cancelled because she's wasn't feeling good, but we later rescheduled.
Boate Fernanda cancelled because she woke up late.
Clinic didn't cancel, but said I had the appointment and within 10 minutes of confirming the appointment she left.
I feel like I'm missing another cancellation.
Literaly every appointment I've made had been cancelled or rescheduled. I'm not a bad looking guy, and I've taken girls back purely on my looks and charm. I pay well, fuck good and lick a mean as pussy. It's probably bad luck, but I do a lot and I don't have time to waste. I have next week off and more flexibility.[/QUOTE]I'm going to SP in 3 days and this is what I fear for the most part.
I've been to SP 3 times now and the options are vast and fantastic which is good and bad thing.
Good thing is you'll have tons of options and have something different everynight (sometimes I want a blonde, sometimes a redhead, sometimes a girl with tan lines and others just porcelain pale).
Bad thing is that it can be overwhelming at some points and when things fall apart you really feel it because you know you had other options. Do you pick to stay in and have a girl come over, go out and try your luck at the boates or just call a try and true girl you sessioned before? So many options.
I'm only going to be there for 1 week then heading out to rio.
So it's always best to be flexible if you can.
You sometimes have to make quick hard decisions or else you'll get shafted.
Currently I've been messaging some girls on Seeking plus hitting up some online girls setting up dates so once I land I can look forward to that and if they get flaky then I can move on since I gave them plenty of notice.
I don't use twitter girls mainly because I don't like twitter itself and I see most girls there are amateurs or semi pros. Granted there are some real pros on twitter as well.
I use private55, clubmodel, SP Love and BarriasVIP SP version and the thing about that is that the girls have to pay for their post on their. The sites charge anywhere from 500 BRL to 3000 BRL depending on different factors (how high up on the list they want to be, how long the post is up, etc) so the girls on those sites are usually less flaky since they need to recoup their post cost. With twitter girls there is no cost so they don't mind blowing off a guy since they have nothing to lose. Also online girls can see that you're an american with you're +1 country code so they can probably tell that you'll only be here for a few days to 2 weeks at most like most of us and so they'll probably flake less since you can be leaving soon and they can lose a payday or even a repeat. There are some scams on there as well but use your best judgement and like I said they have to pay to have their post up so it's less likely.
I find that meeting a girl at her place is more likely to secure the meet since they don't have to rush and get dolled up and then order a cab and all that. Not my favorite since I like the rooms I pick when staying sao paulo but is best for less headaches if you don't mind.
Always expect a girl to be 1 hour behind. They are never on time. So try to schedule one hour in advance and then they'll be on time. If you try to plan your schedule to a T, then these girls will mess you up.
I like to do clinicas at noon and then get an online girl over at 3-5 pm and then get ready to go out to the boates at 9 pm.
A nice spread for the day.
One of the three might not go through but 2 out of 3 aint bad.
SP is a big and crazy city. Everyone is busy and the hustle and bustle is real.
You have to work a bit to get it to work for you but when it does it pays out big time.
[QUOTE=DukesFord;2738595]Hello Everyone,[/QUOTE]Outstanding Series of Posts regarding SP experience. Excellent writing style and detailed report.
I hope your experience with SP improves, It's a wonderful city with a good selection of activities. If not having fun by yourself maybe having a wingman may help. Cancellations are never good but sometimes par for the course.
Look forward to your future posts.
[QUOTE=Bearsi;2738814]I'm going to SP in 3 days and this is what I fear for the most part.
I've been to SP 3 times now and the options are vast and fantastic which is good and bad thing.
Good thing is you'll have tons of options and have something different everynight (sometimes I want a blonde, sometimes a redhead, sometimes a girl with tan lines and others just porcelain pale).
Bad thing is that it can be overwhelming at some points and when things fall apart you really feel it because you know you had other options. Do you pick to stay in and have a girl come over, go out and try your luck at the boates or just call a try and true girl you sessioned before? So many options.
I find that meeting a girl at her place is more likely to secure the meet since they don't have to rush and get dolled up and then order a cab and all that. Not my favorite since I like the rooms I pick when staying sao paulo but is best for less headaches if you don't mind.
[b][u]Always expect a girl to be 1 hour behind. They are never on time.[/u] So try to schedule one hour in advance and then they'll be on time. [u]If you try to plan your schedule to a T, then these girls will mess you up.[/u][/b]
SP is a big and crazy city. Everyone is busy and the hustle and bustle is real.
You have to work a bit to get it to work for you but when it does it pays out big time.[/QUOTE]All True, Got to stay nimble. Cancellations can put a wrench in days activities but you got to shake it off. Always have a Plan-BB (sometimes Plan-CC as well, LOL).
Question: Do you feel safe and secure going to a GP's place? I would feel you could be placed in a sketchy situation and bad service could be the norm. Also you have no recourse if things go south.
[QUOTE=TheCritic;2738838]All True, Got to stay nimble. Cancellations can put a wrench in days activities but you got to shake it off. Always have a Plan-BB (sometimes Plan-CC as well, LOL).
Question: Do you feel safe and secure going to a GP's place? I would feel you could be placed in a sketchy situation and bad service could be the norm. Also you have no recourse if things go south.[/QUOTE]Cancelations are not a problem for me because I rarely use call girl services. 99% of the girls I invite over are Boate girls I already know and have very good relations with. They never cancel and are very rarely late. But once in a blue moon I do reach out to a call girl if she is really hot. When I make plans with a call girl it is always for the same day. No 2 or 3 days in advance. If we arrange to meet at my hotel, I will pick a convenient time when I have nothing else to do like between 6 pm & 8 pm. That way my plans are never at risk if the girl is a no show. I will give a girl an hour leeway. If she has not arrived within an hour of our agreed time, the date is off, and I get ready to visit a boate instead. Going to a girl's apartment is a viable alternative, however, which can also be a lot of fun. Just check google maps to see where she lives before making final plans. All the call girls that I have visited live in pretty secure, safe apartment buildings, so there was never any risk to me. But if in doubt schedule a date at her place while it is still daylight. There is a zero chance of a cancelation when you schedule an appointment to visit to a call girl's apartment within a couple of hours of talking with her.
[QUOTE=TheCritic;2738838]All True, Got to stay nimble. Cancellations can put a wrench in days activities but you got to shake it off. Always have a Plan-BB (sometimes Plan-CC as well, LOL).
Question: Do you feel safe and secure going to a GP's place? I would feel you could be placed in a sketchy situation and bad service could be the norm. Also you have no recourse if things go south.[/QUOTE]I've heard of some stories of how there was a guy or pimp hiding in the other room or closet to protect the girl but those guys always found their girls on PA which is why I never use it. It's too sketchy and shady stuff like this.
Currently I'm staying in an Airbnb in a condominium. It's a nice one but it's not a hotel and these girl like the security of knowing that they are not meeting Ted bundy and the hotel will definitely check in if things get weird. Had a girl tell me how she went to some guys house and he was just giving off really strange vibes and he offered her a glass of water and when she declined he insisted she drink it. She left and when she went downstairs she noticed that there was a guy who was his friend waiting in a car with the trunk open. There was a guard at the place so she asked for his helped and she got out safely.
Really wild stuff and is a POV that is guys don't get.
Usually when you go to a girls place they have someone at the front desk to get your ID and check you in. Again it's just a piece of mind for them.
Currently trying to meet with a online girl but she won't come to my condo so we're going to meet up in a love motel like lush or apple and I like it better actually because I've been trying to see this girl for a year now and I want to see myself hang her in all the different angles from the mirrors LOL.
Staying in an Airbnb in an apartment building this trip. Close to the mall in Moema. Will be here for over a month.
First night met up with my last trips favorite Scandallo gal. Tier 2, solid 7. Tall thinner gal. Pizza and stayed the night. Negotiated for 900 prior to trip. She hates her work at Scandallo. I told her I would see her a few times a week and she was happy to stay the night for 900. BBFS and CIM.
Friday night went to Casarao club. Was sausage fest. Very few doable girls. Was going to leave at 1 am But more girls started arriving. Stayed until 2:30. One dark skinned gal was interesting but could not get a good vibe. Quality was low compared to last trip in May.
Had planned on meeting a Serking gal I had talked to last trip. She got cold feet at last minute, claiming I was her first foreigner and thought language barrier would be too awkward. Money not discussed.
Pretty thin blonde gal, model type body, tall thin. Was going to meet her again this trip but price is now 2000 to spend the night. Not paying 400 ish USA Too bad, she was pretty.
Another gal I met in club last trip I sent message to. I asked how much. 1000 for the night. I pinned her down about her services. No kissing on face and covered everything. No thanks! Saw her at club last night. She came and said Hi, stood in front of me and danced sexy. Was quickly snatched up by another guy in the over populated club of men. Ratio, guessing 4 guys to 1 gal. Sellers market.
I was excited to come again. Not feeling the vibe quite yet.
Typing on phone, apologies if poor grammar / style.
[QUOTE=TheCritic;2738838]...
Question: Do you feel safe and secure going to a GP's place? I would feel you could be placed in a sketchy situation and bad service could be the norm. Also you have no recourse if things go south.[/QUOTE]I now always figure out how to get out after entering before seeing the girl. Usually it is a button located somewhere but not always. If a girl is charging 400 or more, the place likely won't be too bad. I think there is a relationship between the quality of the session with the quality of the room. Some have nice one bedroom, and clean towel wrapped in plastic for every session, these sessions have been mostly good.
Any advice on where to watch a college football game in Jardim Paulista? It is a an evening game USA time so it will probably be on late in the evening in São Paulo.
[QUOTE=Anaggie;2739712]Any advice on where to watch a college football game in Jardim Paulista? It is a an evening game USA time so it will probably be on late in the evening in So Paulo.[/QUOTE]O'Malley'S located in Alameda Itu. They show a lot of game from overseas, including college NCAA, rugby, football, etc.
[QUOTE=Anaggie;2739712]Any advice on where to watch a college football game in Jardim Paulista? It is a an evening game USA time so it will probably be on late in the evening in So Paulo.[/QUOTE]O'Malley's Bar (best chance).
Or.
The Blue Pub.
Do yourself a favor by NOT calling those phone numbers: they are from an agency, that does bait an switch, does not deliver on advertised services, has girls that really do not like what they do and want to end the session ASAP.
[URL]https://mclass.com/acompanhantes/leticia-lins/[/URL] (11) 93XXXX112.
[URL]https://mclass.com/acompanhantes/nanda/[/URL] (11) 99XXXX698.
They offer a rate of are $ 1,300 for 2 hours and do not ask you to send a Uber to pickup the girl. That might be the key to recognize that agency.
They also place ads in other websites like:
[URL]https://myescortgirls.com.br/escorts-in-sao-paulo/fresh-female-escorts-in-jardins-avenida-paulista-sp/[/URL] 11) 99XXXX691.
And I suspect in those other websites:
[URL]https://escortgirlbrazil.com.br/[/URL]
[URL]https://escortsvogue.com/[/URL]
Thanks. Will check it out.
I'm kind of new at the international mongering. What does 'no frills' mean on the ads? Thanks.
What is the status of the on-site / nearby session rooms at Cafe Photo? I saw when I was RTFF'ing for my upcoming trip that their on-site session rooms or nearby motel was / were unavailable as of February 2022. What is the current status of those renovations? Are on-site / nearby rooms still unavailable? If so, are they still waiving the exit fees to take girls off-site, since on-site / nearby sessions are impossible?
As I have been RTFF'ing in preparation for my upcoming first trip to So Paulo, I have not noticed that any specific clinicas seem to stand out strongly or clearly from the others, or at least not to the degree that the club Scandallo stands out in a class by itself, head and shoulders above all other clubs. Even with the casas in Medellin (I am a Colombia vet), New Life, Energy, and Loutron stand out among the casas. Many individual guys strongly like certain clinicas or dislike other ones, but I did not see a clear pattern or ranking overall.
Is it fair to say that the differences between the clinicas are not as big as the differences between the clubs, and that there is less of a hierarchy among them? Is it even fair to say that they are not that different from and quite similar to each other?
Or, in your opinion and experience, are there certain clinicas that really distinguish themselves from the others, for better or for worse? Are there any specific "go-to" clinicas that you would recommend more highly for a first-time SP visitor who is otherwise a seasoned monger, like I would recommend New Life or Energy in Medellin? Or should I just do a tour of that popular cluster of clinicas in Moema and figure out for myself which specific one works best for me?
Do any of them have a particular emphasis or focus in female body types, like the abundance of T&A at Dr. Amor in Cali? I am a T&A kind of guy with no aversion to extensive silicone.
[QUOTE=GringoItaliano;2741080]should I just do a tour of that popular cluster of clinicas in Moema and figure out for myself which specific one works best for me?
Do any of them have a particular emphasis or focus in female body types, like the abundance of T&A at Dr. Amor in Cali? I am a T&A kind of guy with no aversion to extensive silicone.[/QUOTE]This. Because everyone has a preference on body type and looks so each clinica will have different showing. If you like a nicer room, I've been to Carinas and it definitely has a nicer room with a lot of mirror to see your own action, although you can only see the girls through a tablet. I believe Abbobora has nicer room as well based on posts.
I am currently in Sao Paulo (SP is used on Twitter and other websites). My second trip and been here a week.
First, you will quickly notice the beauty of the average Brazilian as you explore. Ok, I got your attention. The beauty of the average woman you will see here is NOT good. Streets, restaurants, malls, wherever. I would venture most are below average in looks and overweight.
Second, compared to Colombia, the pedestrian is not a target. People are not arrogant buttwipe drivers, though you will see high end cars in the Moema area.
Clinicas this trip. Went to four so far. You won't see alot of silicone at lower end places. I saw one doll at club 57, but she had a bit of arrogance about her. So never approached her.
Send me a pm If you are a member here or just post your trip dates. I have been to 3 clubs and often leave between 3 and 430 am They are fun. Scandallo has some pretty woman but they are expensive. I have not sessioned with anything over an 8 or so in looks.
Post your trip dates.
Lotus, the massage place, has the most silicone but is also most expensive. About 130 USA For an hour.
Sorry for typos and poor sentence structure. Phone typing.
I am currently in Sao Paulo (SP is used on Twitter and other websites). My second trip and been here a week.
First, you will quickly notice the beauty of the average Brazilian as you explore. Ok, I got your attention. The beauty of the average woman you will see here is NOT good. Streets, restaurants, malls, wherever. I would venture most are below average in looks and overweight.
Second, compared to Colombia, the pedestrian is not a target. People are not arrogant buttwipe drivers, though you will see high end cars in the Moema area.
Clinicas this trip. Went to four so far. You won't see alot of silicone at lower end places. I saw one doll at club 57, but she had a bit of arrogance about her. So never approached her.
Send me a pm If you are a member here or just post your trip dates. I have been to 3 clubs and often leave between 3 and 430 am They are fun. Scandallo has some pretty woman but they are expensive. I have not sessioned with anything over an 8 or so in looks.
Post your trip dates.
Lotus, the massage place, has the most silicone but is also most expensive. About 130 USA For an hour.
Sorry for typos and poor sentence structure. Phone typing.
[QUOTE=GringoItaliano;2741080] Is it fair to say that the differences between the clinicas are not as big as the differences between the clubs, and that there is less of a hierarchy among them? Is it even fair to say that they are not that different from and quite similar to each other?[/QUOTE]The Clinicas really do work together as a collective set of options, but here are a few subtle differences:
Prime: Consistently high IOP, medium facilities.
Tangara: More newcomers, medium low facilities, open Sundays.
Carinas: Medium IOP, medium high facilities, tablet selection.
Lotus: Medium IOP, medium high facilities, 3 x expensive, Ave 2 x looks.
Abbobora: Medium IOP, medium facilities, large selection.
Miruna: Medium IOP, medium facilities, Ave. 75 x looks.
I didn't read much about these very brasilian houses. The republicas.
They are houses where brazilians rent rooms for long terms, months or even years, and share services. As you may imagine these houses are meant to live in the economy. They are not airbnb places.
I lived in these houses for months, sharing the kitchen, washing machines, fridge with office workers, security guards, teachers, post graduate students, etc etc and escort girls.
Well, being this forum escort oriented, I will tell about one of these girls.
There are frequent weekend churrascos (grilled meat reunions) with the neighboors, where beer, cachaça, samba, feijoada, great meat and of course sex flows as normal. Two of my GFs came from those great reunions. One was a lovely nurse in her late thirties. That's another story.
Well, escort girls were easy to identify. They sleep until very late, leave in super tight dresses (covered with coats), smelling like queens (cheirosas), arrive super early in the morning making big noise when walking on heels and smelling like a sack of cigars.
There was one who was a solid athlete. Around 2 pm she went to the gym to work out every day. We came across in the kitchen a few times, and finally we shared a few words.
She used to go the clubs mentioned here on ISG, that month she was working in bomboa. For my tastes she was a 7.
We fucked 3 times during the next weeks, all of them paid. Once in my room, the others in her room where I stayed until noon. The girl of clean service (faxina) thought we were couple because she saw me leaving her room one sunny Sao Paulo morning. Very nice woman, she said we made a nice couple. I don't think so, this girl was a vigorexic, my GFs tend to be the oposite.
One day the escort girl simply left the republica. Her room was accupied by an old divorced guy one week later. He used to speak for hours with his daughters over the phone. Loud in one of the patios of the republica.
Great cultural experience in those houses as you can imagine. When I studied portuguese back in late 1990's, I thought I had studied portuguese. Nothing farther from reality.
Real portuguese in the republicas.
Landed in SP earlier this week. I went to the famous Scandallo in search for the famous and elusive IOP that many here talked about. Met Jessica who said she was 28, lived in Morumbi, had a 2 year old boy, used to be a nurse and worked as a GP full time without her family knowing. The first session with her was like other sessions I had had before in my last trip, which barely met the definition of GFE. However, a lot of members commented and hinted that true GFE could have been unlocked if I had wined and dined the GP. I heeded the advice this time and set up a time with Jessica for some wine and dine. She looked at the menu and at first ordered the most expensive item, but she changed her mind and instead ordered 2 items, which added up to the value of the most expensive one. And she couldn't even finish half of each of the 2 items she ordered. Back to my room, her performance was worse, way worse than the first session. She claimed she was tired and just lay there, gave weak kisses, and totally tried her best to hide her tongue, it was like kissing the black hole inside her mouth. After I finished the first round, she excused herself to use the bathroom, took quite a while for her to finish, she came out with the towel on and then put her clothes on, claiming the AC made her cold. I was still trying to be nice and boyfriend like and let her rest in her clothes with the AC now set at 28 (it was 25 before). An hour later, I tried again, this time she was on her phone the whole time, and after a bit she claimed that it got sensitive down there and hurt a little. I got enough of the *****, paid her and told her to get the fuck out.
Her picture is below. She's about 5'6'- 5'8'. Deep voice (kind of like a boy in puberty). One of her friends is a morena clara with the bang combed to the left side with monolid eyes. Jessica has 3 big warts on her back that is very easy to feel at least 1 of them if you caress her back.
For now I'm going to clinicas and will return to Scandallo for another try next week.
[QUOTE=HiddenEye;2741328]I didn't read much about these very brasilian houses. The republicas.
They are houses where brazilians rent rooms for long terms, months or even years, and share services. As you may imagine these houses are meant to live in the economy. They are not airbnb places.
I lived in these houses for months, sharing the kitchen, washing machines, fridge with office workers, security guards, teachers, post graduate students, etc etc and escort girls.
Well, being this forum escort oriented, I will tell about one of these girls.
There are frequent weekend churrascos (grilled meat reunions) with the neighboors, where beer, cachaa, samba, feijoada, great meat and of course sex flows as normal. Two of my GFs came from those great reunions. One was a lovely nurse in her late thirties. That's another story.
Well, escort girls were easy to identify. They sleep until very late, leave in super tight dresses (covered with coats), smelling like queens (cheirosas), arrive super early in the morning making big noise when walking on heels and smelling like a sack of cigars.
There was one who was a solid athlete. Around 2 pm she went to the gym to work out every day. We came across in the kitchen a few times, and finally we shared a few words.
She used to go the clubs mentioned here on ISG, that month she was working in bomboa. For my tastes she was a 7.
We fucked 3 times during the next weeks, all of them paid. Once in my room, the others in her room where I stayed until noon. The girl of clean service (faxina) thought we were couple because she saw me leaving her room one sunny Sao Paulo morning. Very nice woman, she said we made a nice couple. I don't think so, this girl was a vigorexic, my GFs tend to be the oposite.
One day the escort girl simply left the republica. Her room was accupied by an old divorced guy one week later. He used to speak for hours with his daughters over the phone. Loud in one of the patios of the republica.
Great cultural experience in those houses as you can imagine. When I studied portuguese back in late 1990's, I thought I had studied portuguese. Nothing farther from reality.
Real portuguese in the republicas.[/QUOTE]Great report HiddenEye. I can only begin to imagine what it was like to live in a republicas. Your total immersion must have been an amazing experience. And thanks for introducing me to a new word: vigorexic. I fnumber of my Brazilian girls exercise fairly regularly to stay trim, but none so far would fall into the vigorexic category. I look forward to sampling one at some future date. KKK.
[QUOTE=NiceFirst;2741410]Landed in SP earlier this week. I went to the famous Scandallo in search for the famous and elusive IOP that many here talked about. Met Jessica who said she was 28, lived in Morumbi, had a 2 year old boy, used to be a nurse and worked as a GP full time without her family knowing. The first session with her was like other sessions I had had before in my last trip, which barely met the definition of GFE. However, a lot of members commented and hinted that true GFE could have been unlocked if I had wined and dined the GP. I heeded the advice this time and set up a time with Jessica for some wine and dine. She looked at the menu and at first ordered the most expensive item, but she changed her mind and instead ordered 2 items, which added up to the value of the most expensive one. And she couldn't even finish half of each of the 2 items she ordered. Back to my room, her performance was worse, way worse than the first session. She claimed she was tired and just lay there, gave weak kisses, and totally tried her best to hide her tongue, it was like kissing the black hole inside her mouth. After I finished the first round, she excused herself to use the bathroom, took quite a while for her to finish, she came out with the towel on and then put her clothes on, claiming the AC made her cold. I was still trying to be nice and boyfriend like and let her rest in her clothes with the AC now set at 28 (it was 25 before). An hour later, I tried again, this time she was on her phone the whole time, and after a bit she claimed that it got sensitive down there and hurt a little. I got enough of the *****, paid her and told her to get the fuck out.
Her picture is below. She's about 5'6'- 5'8'. Deep voice (kind of like a boy in puberty). One of her friends is a morena clara with the bang combed to the left side with monolid eyes. Jessica has 3 big warts on her back that is very easy to feel at least 1 of them if you caress her back.
For now I'm going to clinicas and will return to Scandallo for another try next week.[/QUOTE]I think it is interesting that Jessica was good enough in her 1st session with you to warrant a 2nd and that she was a fucking disaster in her 2nd session. Who knows what can account for the change. But in the long run it does not matter. She belongs on your dump list and that is where she should remain in perpetuity. I would only recommend that in the future you feed your girls after boom boom, not before. Also, for a slight change in venue, I suggest you give Bomboa a try. I always received good to great service there. In addition, I am very sure you will have a much better time when you decide to return to Scandallo. Jessica was an anomaly bad fuck for one reason or another. She is definitely not representative of most Scandallo girls, but next time offer your girl a drink or two before sex and reward to good girls with dinner afterwards if you feel like it. KKK. It is entirely up to you.
Yep, I went to Scandello many times last week and it was very sub par experience and very disappointed at times. Lot of scam and shady non-GFE services lately. It is like finding gems from the hay. Usually biggest advantage of scandello is having so many 100+ girls in one floor. But then it becomes a disadvantage. Because now you have to screen so many of them to make sure you get the GFE vibe. You can't just straight up ask girl about this as first liner. On average conversation with each girl takes 20+ minutes. (at least for me). At times I felt other clubs with limited # of girls may be a better bet.
[QUOTE=NiceFirst;2741410]Landed in SP earlier this week. I went to the famous Scandallo in search for the famous and elusive IOP that many here talked about. Met Jessica who said she was 28, lived in Morumbi, had a 2 year old boy, used to be a nurse and worked as a GP full time without her family knowing. The first session with her was like other sessions I had had before in my last trip, which barely met the definition of GFE. However, a lot of members commented and hinted that true GFE could have been unlocked if I had wined and dined the GP. I heeded the advice this time and set up a time with Jessica for some wine and dine. She looked at the menu and at first ordered the most expensive item, but she changed her mind and instead ordered 2 items, which added up to the value of the most expensive one. And she couldn't even finish half of each of the 2 items she ordered. Back to my room, her performance was worse, way worse than the first session. She claimed she was tired and just lay there, gave weak kisses, and totally tried her best to hide her tongue, it was like kissing the black hole inside her mouth. After I finished the first round, she excused herself to use the bathroom, took quite a while for her to finish, she came out with the towel on and then put her clothes on, claiming the AC made her cold. I was still trying to be nice and boyfriend like and let her rest in her clothes with the AC now set at 28 (it was 25 before). An hour later, I tried again, this time she was on her phone the whole time, and after a bit she claimed that it got sensitive down there and hurt a little. I got enough of the *****, paid her and told her to get the fuck out.
Her picture is below. She's about 5'6'- 5'8'. Deep voice (kind of like a boy in puberty). One of her friends is a morena clara with the bang combed to the left side with monolid eyes. Jessica has 3 big warts on her back that is very easy to feel at least 1 of them if you caress her back.
For now I'm going to clinicas and will return to Scandallo for another try next week.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the quote Axel. I didn't mention republicas have their own guest policies, and entrances to them have security cams. As any place in the world these days.
But for Brazilians rules are made to be broken jajajaja but be sure not to brake them too often, otherwise you're out. For someone who will start the day very early, it's not a blessing to have a monger in the next room. Very thin walls, believe me.
Fortunately, my schedule started very early most of the days because of tech courses.
I didn't mention this vigorexic escort had great cream and body oil in her room, she had her skills.
[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2741527]Great report HiddenEye. I can only begin to imagine what it was like to live in a republicas. Your total immersion must have been an amazing experience. And thanks for introducing me to a new word: vigorexic. I number of my Brazilian girls exercise fairly regularly to stay trim, but none so far would fall into the vigorexic category. I look forward to sampling one at some future date. KKK.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2741557]I think it is interesting that Jessica was good enough in her 1st session with you to warrant a 2nd and that she was a fucking disaster in her 2nd session. Who knows what can account for the change. But in the long run it does not matter. She belongs on your dump list and that is where she should remain in perpetuity. I would only recommend that in the future you feed your girls after boom boom, not before. Also, for a slight change in venue, I suggest you give Bomboa a try. I always received good to great service there. In addition, I am very sure you will have a much better time when you decide to return to Scandallo. Jessica was an anomaly bad fuck for one reason or another. She is definitely not representative of most Scandallo girls, but next time offer your girl a drink or two before sex and reward to good girls with dinner afterwards if you feel like it. KKK. It is entirely up to you.[/QUOTE]The first session with her was OK like others I had had in Scandallo, which was nothing to rave about. But I wanted that true GFE so many in here seem to have found, that's why I wanted to try and treat her like a girlfriend so that her performance would improve per the advices here in this forum.
I treated her very well, accommodated the time for when it was the most convenient for her and not for me. I was chivalrous the whole time. I really put in the work hoping I would get that IOP that people here raved about.
For her I think Jessica thought I fell for her and so she could do whatever she wants. She is one of those selfish people who fully take advantage of any generosity and not reciprocate. I've met this kind before in my life, totally selfish, opportunistic, lack empathy, ethics, and reflection, unfeeling and cold-hearted toward the pain and suffering they cause others. They view human and ethical considerations as weaknesses. They think that rules are meant to be broken, and that's how they WIN.
I'm still fuming thinking about how I was treated.
[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2741527]...I can only begin to imagine what it was like to live in a republicas.... KKK.[/QUOTE]I think there are a few in Centro. Starting from 15 BRL a day to under 400 BRL a month.
[QUOTE=Gabbarsing;2741607]Yep, I went to Scandello many times last week and it was very sub par experience and very disappointed at times. ...[/QUOTE]Why did you go many times when it was sub par?
[QUOTE=Gabbarsing;2741607]... You can't just straight up ask girl about this as first liner. ...[/QUOTE]Not sure what you mean? This is the only way I know how to do it since I don't speak Portuguese.
Me: do you kiss.
Girl: yes.
Me: lets find a place to talk.
Both: starting kissing and make out, you can do this as long as you want.
The only thing one can't do in the club is having sex.
I observed some local men, some would occupy a girl for hours, holding hand walking around and doing stuff, sometimes did not finish the deal. You can find my past reports talking about some of it. If you think about the deal as a whole for a few hours, finished with sex in the room, then it is not a bad deal. I would say it is a good deal actually if one can converse in Portuguese.
My observation is the number of girls each night varies, I don't think there is a rule. The most girls I have seen is about 200 and that is when you have to wait for the room which is a good sign that this night is good.
Because some night I do end finding gem so greedy me kept alluding there. But on a hindsight I think I could have done better (problem is I don't know what could have been better) - it is one of those things "you don't know what you don't know" (if you know what I mean).
Anyhow, I don't directly ask straight up questions like you have "Do you kiss" -- may be I should (idk).
One thing I learned, is each visit to Brazil makes you a better monger.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2741911]Why did you go many times when it was sub par?
Not sure what you mean? This is the only way I know how to do it since I don't speak Portuguese.
Me: do you kiss.
Girl: yes.
Me: lets find a place to talk.
Both: starting kissing and make out, you can do this as long as you want.
The only thing one can't do in the club is having sex.
I observed some local men, some would occupy a girl for hours, holding hand walking around and doing stuff, sometimes did not finish the deal. You can find my past reports talking about some of it. If you think about the deal as a whole for a few hours, finished with sex in the room, then it is not a bad deal. I would say it is a good deal actually if one can converse in Portuguese.
My observation is the number of girls each night varies, I don't think there is a rule. The most girls I have seen is about 200 and that is when you have to wait for the room which is a good sign that this night is good.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Gabbarsing;2741607] Yep, I went to Scandallo many times last week and it was very sub par experience and very disappointed at times. Lot of scam and shady non-GFE services lately. It is like finding gems from the hay. Usually biggest advantage of Scandallo is having so many 100+ girls in one floor. But then it becomes a disadvantage. Because now you have to screen so many of them to make sure you get the GFE vibe. You can't just straight up ask girl about this as first liner. On average conversation with each girl takes 20+ minutes. (at least for me). At times I felt other clubs with limited # of girls may be a better bet. [/QUOTE]As Nounce points out, the great advantage of boate and terma venues is the hands-on audition / interview where a punter can get to know a girl a little before making a commitment. You never know how good the sex is going to be until you are having the sex but passing an audition with flying colors is the best indication, I know of what is to come later in a room.
I enjoy the hunt inside Scandallo and other boates. I enjoy flirting and fooling around with the girls over a drink or two. It reminds me of picking up girls in a bar or night club except that boate girls always say yes (for a price). KKK. That may be the key to my solid success rate later in the room. I enjoy the preliminaries and I never take a girl upstairs who does not pass the audition with flying colors which means I never take a girl that I have not established a good vibe with. My strategy is not perfect, but it eliminates 95% of the bad experiences we are talking about.
Yet some punters don't like to buy drinks and audition girls. That's fine. To each his own. For guys that prefer point & shoot you have the clinicas and prive's where the girls work for the house, so the house more or less takes responsibility for the quality of service rendered, and customers pay the house not the girls.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2741911] Why did you go many times when it was sub-par? Not sure what you mean? This is the only way I know how to do it since I don't speak Portuguese.
Me: do you kiss. Girl: yes. Me: lets find a place to talk. Both: starting kissing and make out, you can do this as long as you want.
The only thing one can't do in the club is having sex.
If you think about the deal as a whole for a few hours, finished with sex in the room, then it is not a bad deal. I would say it is a good deal actually if one can converse in Portuguese. [/QUOTE]Yeah, I am a big fan of hands on the wheel test driving. My favorite spot is towards the back of the patio courtyard bar. Not very many people about, but who cares anyway. KKK. Google Translate helps as long as the ambient bar noise does not crowd out your voice, otherwise you have to hit the keyboards.
[QUOTE=NiceFirst;2741903] The first session with her was OK like others I had had in Scandallo, which was nothing to rave about. But I wanted that true GFE so many in here seem to have found, that's why I wanted to try and treat her like a girlfriend so that her performance would improve per the advice here in this forum.
I treated her very well, accommodated the time for when it was the most convenient for her and not for me. I was chivalrous the whole time. I really put in the work hoping I would get that IOP that people here raved about.
For her I think Jessica thought I fell for her and so she could do whatever she wants. She is one of those selfish people who fully take advantage of any generosity and not reciprocate. I've met this kind before in my life, totally selfish, opportunistic, lack empathy, ethics, and reflection, unfeeling and cold-hearted toward the pain and suffering they cause others. They view human and ethical considerations as weaknesses. They think that rules are meant to be broken, and that's how they WIN.
I'm still fuming thinking about how I was treated. [/QUOTE]Fuhgeddaboudher man. She is the loser, not you. There are thousands of real nice Sao Paulo girls that are genuinely sweet and want to orgasm and fuck the daylights out of you. Go get them. We have all had a loser session once in a while. There is nothing to worry about as long as it remains a rare event.
I too go to Scandallo, but more for the atmosphere of a high end club with the possibility of bedding someone. I actually go and often spend 200 USA on drinks / food. I go thinking I won't session.
I do get numbers and sometimes meet outside the club if the vibe was good.
Having said that, I prefer the much different atmosphere of Casarao and for some reason get approched more often by the prettier girls. There are of course less hotties, but with 5-10 8's walking around my odds are good. Met a smoking hot 9 last week. Playboy hot. Face, thin waist, nice medium size ass, and bolt ONS. Dressed to kill. Bought her the drink but the bive wasn't there. She approched me at least 3 more times that night, but did not go with. Hung out with a few 7's until 330 and left without taking anyone. Had a great night. (I nutted during the day at the clinacas).
Friday woke up with hangover and thought I needed to take a night off. Went to a local club promising myself to drink water. An hour later. Drinking beer. Hooked up with a cutie and she promised a good time. But two other local guys convinced me to leave the place and go to another club with them. I know, sounds like a bad idea and I declined. Got one of their WhatsApp numbers and about 15 minutes after they left, got a text. Come to the club, ALOT better woman.
Damn, struck gold. Walked in and 25 woman maybe 10 guys. I immediately spot my type of gal but just smile and promise myself to look around for 15 minutes. I like the model type body. There were at least 4 that were 8's and 1 TALL asian looking beauty I would rate a 9. Dressed in long elegant gown with heals. She was sitting with a guy so I scratched her off list. I went back to the lady dressed in a shorter leather skirt and grey high heals. Damn. Solid 8. Local guy came over and because it was his birthday I offered him first dabs on her. She told him she preffered to have a drink with me.
Next 3 hours drank vodka mixed drinks with her. Birthday guy bought a bottle and asked me to join his party. Eventually this girl is cuddling, hand holding, rubbning my back. Pure GFE without the ball rubbing pse stuff many do in the clubs. Twice I have had girls reach into my pants. So I am getting drunk and in English I say, can I lick your face. Of course she doesn't understand but says NO. I laugh and repeat it. She asks for Google translator and I type in I am joking, but can I lick your face. She replies on the translator, can I lick your balls. Party until 4 am. Back to my room for 500 to her and exit fee. She goes to bathroom and comes out in neglige, stockings, heals. Fifteen minute strip TEASE. Full on sex for over an hour. Finally nutted on her face and wanted to sleep. She wanted more sex. Blew me for another 20 minutes trying to get round two out of me. She finally says she has to go home, no kids, but two dogs. Everytime she gets partially dressed she is stopping and blowing me in different positions. She tries to take off her clothes again but I convince her to go.
So those that are not getting GFE. It's you. I have my failures but the secret sauce is to have fun and get the girl to LIKE you. If you are a pretty boy and think that's all you need to get GFE. You are dead wrong. You might be able to get the 8's and 9's, but put time into them. Treat THEM like girlfriends and get to know THEM.
Oh, the tall asain gal was free shortly after I had already invited my eventual girlfriend for the night to myntable. The tall japanese looking remained free all night. Damn I'll be back.
Which club am I speaking about? Not going to disclose. Don't stick to the well known clubs. Venture out. Be a person, not a sex hound. You will get your GFE mixed with PSE.
Side note. I am 60 plus. I can do it. You can too.
Second side note. Hopefully won't start an unitended race debate, but overheard conversation by girls when a couoke of well dressed black gentleman walked in. They both said they won't go with negroe. Not sure how the black gentleman from Europe / USA are being treated in the clubs. Clinicas girls have no choice. But maybe being shunned in the clubs?
Apologize for typos and grammar. Phone typing.
If one wants GFE, he has better chances with semi pros or non pros that could be found online (Seeking, Tinder, etc) or at regular bars / restaurants / clubs. Most of boate girls are pros, meaning they do this for living, full time. I'm not saying they can't provide GFE service, but the odds are against you. With pros, it is always a hit or miss, you never know how she will perform in bed. I don't believe in audition BS, 15-20 minutes interview won't guarantee a good service simply because pros know what to do and what to say to convince you to take her to the room. Happened to me when a girl was nice and sweet before the session, but once in the room, could not even suck my dick properly. The session was just meh. Also, I hate going into details about the service prior to sessioning. It feels weird to ask questions like, do you do BBBJ, CIM, etc, totally kills the vibe. These girls know you are in town for a few days, and most likely you won't repeat with them, because you have plenty of other options. Therefore, they are not motivated to provide a good service. Locals surely have an advantage in this regard. I think clinicas provide better value, you can get GFE there at a fraction of boate prices, and if your session sucks, no big deal, because it is cheap and your expectations are lower in the first place. When you pay Scandallo rates, you expect a full package, and if you don't get what you want, it hurts and disappoints.
[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2742047] I think clinicas provide better value, you can get GFE there at a fraction of boate prices, and if your session sucks, no big deal, because it is cheap and your expectations are lower in the first place.[/QUOTE]This facet of the Clinica experience, where the risk of a bad session is low due to the low cost per session, is certainly one of the great appeals. Especially at Tangara where it's $25 usd for 30 minutes. The trial and error process is relaxed and low risk, and even so, the accountability from the Clinica makes the error rare.
Well said, especially that the better value is at clinicas / prives.
The correct answer to the question of how long you are in town is always 6 months, even if you come in to the clinica with your luggage and you are only able to speak Texan Portoguese, you are a effin engineer on exchange to Petrobras, and you are here for a living and you are just switching apartments, and yes, sticking my dick in you means I love you.
[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2742047]If one wants GFE, he has better chances with semi pros or non pros that could be found online (Seeking, Tinder, etc) or at regular bars / restaurants / clubs. Most of boate girls are pros, meaning they do this for living, full time. I'm not saying they can't provide GFE service, but the odds are against you. With pros, it is always a hit or miss, you never know how she will perform in bed. I don't believe in audition BS, 15-20 minutes interview won't guarantee a good service simply because pros know what to do and what to say to convince you to take her to the room. Happened to me when a girl was nice and sweet before the session, but once in the room, could not even suck my dick properly. The session was just meh. Also, I hate going into details about the service prior to sessioning. It feels weird to ask questions like, do you do BBBJ, CIM, etc, totally kills the vibe. These girls know you are in town for a few days, and most likely you won't repeat with them, because you have plenty of other options. Therefore, they are not motivated to provide a good service. Locals surely have an advantage in this regard. I think clinicas provide better value, you can get GFE there at a fraction of boate prices, and if your session sucks, no big deal, because it is cheap and your expectations are lower in the first place. When you pay Scandallo rates, you expect a full package, and if you don't get what you want, it hurts and disappoints.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Jet69;2741995]
Second side note. Hopefully won't start an unitended race debate, but overheard conversation by girls when a couoke of well dressed black gentleman walked in. They both said they won't go with negroe. Not sure how the black gentleman from Europe / USA are being treated in the clubs. Clinicas girls have no choice. But maybe being shunned in the clubs?
Apologize for typos and grammar. Phone typing.[/QUOTE]Maybe they said it because they felt that was what you wanted to hear?
Hello.
I am planning to visit SP alone for my btrip. Is there private guided tour w girl?
I believe I can make one day off and get guided tour and laid.
Any recommendation for who visits alone like me?
[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2742047]If one wants GFE, he has better chances with semi pros or non pros that could be found online (Seeking, Tinder, etc) or at regular bars / restaurants / clubs. Most of boate girls are pros, meaning they do this for living, full time. I'm not saying they can't provide GFE service, but the odds are against you. With pros, it is always a hit or miss, you never know how she will perform in bed. I don't believe in audition BS, 15-20 minutes interview won't guarantee a good service simply because pros know what to do and what to say to convince you to take her to the room. Happened to me when a girl was nice and sweet before the session, but once in the room, could not even suck my dick properly. The session was just meh. Also, I hate going into details about the service prior to sessioning. It feels weird to ask questions like, do you do BBBJ, CIM, etc, totally kills the vibe. These girls know you are in town for a few days, and most likely you won't repeat with them, because you have plenty of other options. Therefore, they are not motivated to provide a good service. Locals surely have an advantage in this regard. I think clinicas provide better value, you can get GFE there at a fraction of boate prices, and if your session sucks, no big deal, because it is cheap and your expectations are lower in the first place. When you pay Scandallo rates, you expect a full package, and if you don't get what you want, it hurts and disappoints.[/QUOTE]Pros are pros, whatever you ask them to do it wouldn't be the first or last time. Or asking during sex and she will say, not this time, never, yes, or tip her.
I usually just ask up front and when she says maybe or she will try I counter with two one price if she can and another price is can't and she ends up doing it.
[QUOTE=Messiah69;2742127]Maybe they said it because they felt that was what you wanted to hear?[/QUOTE]Maybe. I had my back to them and was not talking to them. Was actually talking with another gal. So why they would be telling me something? I think my original post said I overheard them speaking. The guys that walked in appeared to me as a couple of well dressed American retired military. Would have liked to chatted 'them up, but was busy.
Sorry if I offended anyone. But if Sao Paulo is less forgiving in the night clubs for our black bretheren, then maybe it's something they would want to know before flying to SP rather than Rio?
Think I will refrain from future updates. Seems fruitless. Anyone that needs direct info, shoot me a pm.
Will be going thru Brazil for the first time. I will have a 9 hour layover in SP GRU during the afternoon and was hoping to get out of the airport and make use of my time. I've been digging back through past reports here and it seems these Clinicas are the best way to do this. Abbobora seems to be popular and have good reviews. Any further advice on specific Clinicas or even somewhere closer to GRU? Thanks a lot!
[QUOTE=Jet69;2742242]Maybe. I had my back to them and was not talking to them. Was actually talking with another gal. So why they would be telling me something? I think my original post said I overheard them speaking. The guys that walked in appeared to me as a couple of well dressed American retired military. Would have liked to chatted 'them up, but was busy.
Sorry if I offended anyone. But if Sao Paulo is less forgiving in the night clubs for our black bretheren, then maybe it's something they would want to know before flying to SP rather than Rio?
Think I will refrain from future updates. Seems fruitless. Anyone that needs direct info, shoot me a pm.[/QUOTE]I'm black. I stayed in Sao Paulo for 6 months last year.
I frequented most of the popular boates. Maybe not the ones you discovered.
Blackness was never really an issue at all.
Maybe some might have had some preferences here and there. But overall, compared to Asia, it was paradise.
Whatever subjective prejudices I might have perceived mostly came from the Japanese-Brazilian GPS.
[QUOTE=DanAnon300;2742253]Will be going thru Brazil for the first time. I will have a 9 hour layover in SP GRU during the afternoon and was hoping to get out of the airport and make use of my time. I've been digging back through past reports here and it seems these Clinicas are the best way to do this. Abbobora seems to be popular and have good reviews. Any further advice on specific Clinicas or even somewhere closer to GRU? Thanks a lot![/QUOTE]No. Scandallo.
[QUOTE=DanAnon300;2742253]Will be going thru Brazil for the first time. I will have a 9 hour layover in SP GRU during the afternoon and was hoping to get out of the airport and make use of my time. I've been digging back through past reports here and it seems these Clinicas are the best way to do this. Abbobora seems to be popular and have good reviews. Any further advice on specific Clinicas or even somewhere closer to GRU? Thanks a lot![/QUOTE]You could check out Prime, and then Miruna and then Abbobora. Miruna and Abbo is one block from each other.
[QUOTE=Messiah69;2742308]I'm black. I stayed in Sao Paulo for 6 months last year.
I frequented most of the popular boates. Maybe not the ones you discovered.
Blackness was never really an issue at all.
Maybe some might have had some preferences here and there. But overall, compared to Asia, it was paradise.
Whatever subjective prejudices I might have perceived mostly came from the Japanese-Brazilian GPS.[/QUOTE]Some people always find the need to make gratuitous comments on said subject like he did. They mean absolutely nothing here. Instead, he would have done better giving us a full account of the who, what, when, and [B]where[/B].
It depends of the time frame you'll be in Sao Paulo. I made a quick night pit stop some years ago. Here's my report:
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2204-Sao-Paulo-Reports&p=2727385[/URL]#post2727385.
[QUOTE=DanAnon300;2742253]Will be going thru Brazil for the first time. I will have a 9 hour layover in SP GRU during the afternoon and was hoping to get out of the airport and make use of my time. I've been digging back through past reports here and it seems these Clinicas are the best way to do this. Abbobora seems to be popular and have good reviews. Any further advice on specific Clinicas or even somewhere closer to GRU? Thanks a lot![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2742047]If one wants GFE, he has better chances with semi pros or non pros that could be found online (Seeking, Tinder, etc) or at regular bars / restaurants / clubs. Most of boate girls are pros, meaning they do this for living, full time. I'm not saying they can't provide GFE service, but the odds are against you.....[/QUOTE]Some men go to boate to look for something different like fulfilling a fantasy and they are willing to pay more for it. Personally, I go to find girl that I don't easily find elsewhere. Everything you said about Seeking and Tinder, you can do it at Scandallo and you don't need to be online. You just pay more to get result immediately and you spent less time. You will know who is the regulars once you been there a few times. You can always just ask.
[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2742047]... With pros, it is always a hit or miss, you never know how she will perform in bed. I don't believe in audition BS, 15-20 minutes interview won't guarantee a good service ....[/QUOTE]I don't really do interview the way you described. One of the recent girls I met at Scandallo said her agency told her to go to Scandallo, I was her first client there. She agreed to kiss, so we sat down and start kissing. She asked me how do I like the Brazillian kisses? It does not kill the vibe for me. We just kept going. I ordered her a drink. The drink came, and every time she drank from the glass, she shared with me. She never asked to go to upstairs until I said vamos. Not every encounter goes like this, but I personally think Scandallo is the easiest place to get GFE with a hot girl and this is basically my approach.
Most girls I have sessioned with are not regular at Scandallo. I actually think that is the problem with sexual performance at times because their inexperience.
[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2742047]... what to say to convince you to take her to the room. Happened to me when a girl was nice and sweet before the session...[/QUOTE]If the girl tell me to go upstairs, most likely I won't take her if I am not ready. I have dumped them for this simple reason.
[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2742047]... could not even suck my dick properly. ....[/QUOTE]This sounds more like the lack of skills. Shouldn't this happens to the least experienced girls?
[QUOTE=DanAnon300;2742253]Will be going thru Brazil for the first time. I will have a 9 hour layover in SP GRU during the afternoon and was hoping to get out of the airport and make use of my time. I've been digging back through past reports here and it seems these Clinicas are the best way to do this. Abbobora seems to be popular and have good reviews. Any further advice on specific Clinicas or even somewhere closer to GRU? Thanks a lot![/QUOTE]First timer in Sampa. Not a good look. Expect to spend 1. 5-3 hours (coming / going from GRU) stuck in traffic. Happy Hunting!
[QUOTE=HiddenEye;2742571]It depends of the time frame you'll be in Sao Paulo. I made a quick night pit stop some years ago. Here's my report:
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2204-Sao-Paulo-Reports&p=2727385[/URL]#post2727385.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the advice. Flight lands around 2 PM and leaves around 9 PM. Unfortunately not a night over to try the clubs. Hopefully another time.
[QUOTE=ChrisLooker;2740026]I'm kind of new at the international mongering. What does 'no frills' mean on the ads? Thanks.[/QUOTE]I have wondered this also?
I've heard this also. But I've heard various Brazilians say this about asians. Brazilians. Whites. Brunettes. Blondes too. Its actually very balanced and not lopsided like how it is in the US. We all here have preferences on the girls race / skin color. I for one would never go out with a girl the same race as me.
[QUOTE=Messiah69;2742127]Maybe they said it because they felt that was what you wanted to hear?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Jet69;2741995]......Second side note. Hopefully won't start an unitended race debate, but overheard conversation by girls when a couoke of well dressed black gentleman walked in. They both said they won't go with negroe. Not sure how the black gentleman from Europe / USA are being treated in the clubs. Clinicas girls have no choice. But maybe being shunned in the clubs?.....[/QUOTE]Never believe what a hooker says. If some people who she does not want seeing her are not around that same hooker will fuck the brains off the black dudes. Hookers rarely ever refuse money, I've seen them not refuse black men in Asia and Europe many times.
[QUOTE=Messiah69;2742308]Maybe some might have had some preferences here and there. But overall, compared to Asia, it was paradise.
Whatever subjective prejudices I might have perceived mostly came from the Japanese-Brazilian GPS.[/QUOTE]A GP in Scandallo told me most girls like Asians the least. One girl also pointed out an Asian man walking by and stated that she wouldn't fuck him under any circumstances. My mind was blown, but it is what it is. It's not like most of these girls are highly educated.
[QUOTE=NiceFirst;2742961]A GP in Scandallo told me most girls like Asians the least. One girl also pointed out an Asian man walking by and stated that she wouldn't fuck him under any circumstances. My mind was blown, but it is what it is. It's not like most of these girls are highly educated.[/QUOTE]I'd take it easy on the girls. Attraction and aversion are funny things for women. Men will fuck almost anyone even if they have racist beliefs.
It's easy for us to say a working girl should take money from everyone. However, it's still a very personal matter.
[QUOTE=NiceFirst;2742961]A GP in Scandallo told me most girls like Asians the least. One girl also pointed out an Asian man walking by and stated that she wouldn't fuck him under any circumstances. My mind was blown, but it is what it is. It's not like most of these girls are highly educated.[/QUOTE]That's odd.
Last time I was in Scandallo, girls were surrounding a table of several Asian guys. Hoping to get chosen.
Asian's are known to pay well and generally be easy to please in the garota mind.
Their words to me over the years.
Approached a hot girl in Casarao a few weeks ago.
She basically blew me off, LOL, said she was waiting for one of the Asian guys to approach her.
And one did shortly thereafter.
She was a hot little magrinha, which is generally what I've seen the Asian guys gravitate towards.
[QUOTE=Balboa;2743037]That's odd.
Last time I was in Scandallo, girls were surrounding a table of several Asian guys. Hoping to get chosen.
Asian's are known to pay well and generally be easy to please in the garota mind.
Their words to me over the years.
Approached a hot girl in Casarao a few weeks ago.
She basically blew me off, LOL, said she was waiting for one of the Asian guys to approach her.
And one did shortly thereafter.
She was a hot little magrinha, which is generally what I've seen the Asian guys gravitate towards.[/QUOTE]My favorite Scandallo girl, who by the way is a spinner (IE "a hot little magrinha" says Asian guys are her #1 customers. I say good for her. I don't care who she shags when I am not with her as long as she is fun to be with and continues to show me a great time when we are together.
[QUOTE=WonderWhy;2742791]I have wondered this also?[/QUOTE]Polyamorist explained it in one of his posts. It is to do everything at a level you normally would expect in the session, good BBBJ, good kissing and stuff like that.
[QUOTE=Balboa;2743037]That's odd.....[/QUOTE]On one slow night, there were about 1/3 of the customers were Koreans. Scandallo to them are like neighborhood bars that they hang out, a couple of them wore shorts and flip flops. Casarao has a small group of Asian regulars. A girl also mentioned to me her Asian regulars.
The Scandello girl with whom I spent a weekend with in Buzios said that a lot of the girls prefer Asian men to Brazilian. Easier to please, they don't negotiate too hard and they are more gentle. She has a Korean regular who comes in every Sunday to be with her. He wouldn't stop calling / texting all weekend either while we were together. Serious jealousy and attachment issues.
If you take a taxi from the airport and a copetent uber driver back to Guarulhos, I think you can make it.
Lots of adrenaline walking on the edge of time departure, cause 5 pm-8 pm is peak hours, as any big city.
LOL. Lots of adrenaline indeed.
There were clubs in the Guarulhos, Tatuapé metro area, but that was way before pandemics. Never tried them. I did reserve a hotel in the area when I had to do a brief stop in SP.
[QUOTE=DanAnon300;2742702]Thanks for the advice. Flight lands around 2 PM and leaves around 9 PM. Unfortunately not a night over to try the clubs. Hopefully another time.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=WonderWhy;2742791]I have wondered this also?[/QUOTE]No frills, sem frescura is the opposite of a girl who all the time complains and says "don't touch me there, I don't like that" or tells you that she does anal, but when it's time to do it, tells you that your dick is too big, when it is just normal size etc.
This is a dumb question but where is the entrance to Moema Prime? I walked in front yellow building but its a party supply store.
[QUOTE=Maelstrom;2743103]This is a dumb question but where is the entrance to Moema Prime? I walked in front yellow building but its a party supply store.[/QUOTE]Wrong house. The address is Avenida Iraí, 511.
[QUOTE=Anaggie;2743084]The Scandello girl with whom I spent a weekend with in Buzios said that a lot of the girls prefer Asian men to Brazilian. Easier to please, they don't negotiate too hard and they are more gentle. She has a Korean regular who comes in every Sunday to be with her. He wouldn't stop calling / texting all weekend either while we were together. Serious jealousy and attachment issues.[/QUOTE]There are Brazilian Asians and gringo Asians, the gringos the girls flock to because they know the guys are there to fuck and spend money whereas Brazilian Asians many are there just to collect numbers for later because they know outside they can multiple hours for the same price as going up to the rooms.
BTW the girls have their own Whatsapp group chat where they talk about clients and sell stuff so they have a forum just like us.
[QUOTE=Nordico;2743104]Wrong house. The address is Avenida Ira, 511.[/QUOTE]This guy Moema Primes, thanks alot this was what g maps had. Frustrating, they do the same thing with New Life in Mde.
[QUOTE=Maelstrom;2743119]This guy Moema Primes, thanks a lot this was what g maps had. Frustrating, they do the same thing with New Life in Mde.[/QUOTE]I haven't been there but I looked at their website and you can see the telephone pole with the number 115 in one of their photos. The building is white on Google maps but it's been painted yellow since then.
I'm talking in general in Brazil (outside of scandallo). Its pretty even out and balanced from my experience. Some people prefers this. Others prefers that. Etc. Not like in the US where its lopsided.
Scandallo is very different. Girls go for asians because its easier to make money off of like what everyone else wrote here.
[QUOTE=Balboa;2743037]That's odd.
Last time I was in Scandallo, girls were surrounding a table of several Asian guys. Hoping to get chosen.
Asian's are known to pay well and generally be easy to please in the garota mind.
Their words to me over the years.
Approached a hot girl in Casarao a few weeks ago.
She basically blew me off, LOL, said she was waiting for one of the Asian guys to approach her.
And one did shortly thereafter.
She was a hot little magrinha, which is generally what I've seen the Asian guys gravitate towards.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Balboa;2743037]That's odd.
Last time I was in Scandallo, girls were surrounding a table of several Asian guys. Hoping to get chosen.
Asian's are known to pay well and generally be easy to please in the garota mind.
Their words to me over the years.
Approached a hot girl in Casarao a few weeks ago.
She basically blew me off, LOL, said she was waiting for one of the Asian guys to approach her.
And one did shortly thereafter.
She was a hot little magrinha, which is generally what I've seen the Asian guys gravitate towards.[/QUOTE]LOL you guys have been at this game for too long you kinda forgot the normal meaning of the word like when the object is a person. "Like" here refers to attraction to a person, not to the money the person has. They used the word chines, so I'm not sure whether it limited to Chinese guys or they meant Asians in general (my bet is Asians in general). Anyway, as you guys said, if Asians pay well and demand less, of course the garotas love them because who wouldn't want more pay for less work? However, if an Asian and a non Asian both pay the same and ask for the same service, the garotas would prefer the non Asian one. That was the point. Each of them had a different order of preference, but both had Asians at the bottom. Anyway, I didn't pick neither of them because they had additional red flags.
[QUOTE=Fewdie;2743176]I'm talking in general in Brazil (outside of scandallo). Its pretty even out and balanced from my experience. Some people prefers this. Others prefers that. Etc. Not like in the US where its lopsided.
Scandallo is very different. Girls go for asians because its easier to make money off of like what everyone else wrote here.[/QUOTE]Well, I agree with you, somewhat anyway. I was responding to the post from a guy who said that a garota at Scandallo told him that they (the girls) avoided Asians.
I've seen just the opposite.
Also, I dont agree thats its lopsided in the USA.
People gravitate to who they prefer as well.
Arrived at GRU around 9 PM last night and after checked in with Hotel I headed to Casarao where I met fellow member Jet69 around 12 AM. The place was light compare to normal night around this time but there were many prospects. I would say guy to girl ratio was good 1:3 at this point. It packed around 1 AM.
Here's what I notice, I did buy a girl there a drink and she asked for my card to give to bartender, the bartender gave back my card plus a red card and she kept that red one. I assumed it is for her kickback with the place. I drank 3-4 beer plus her drink with was a mixed type of gin drink, and the total bill came out to be R174.
Around 1 PM today I went to Anavrin in Jardims. They sent pics of all the girls but I scheduled a presentation to see them in person. They only had 3 girls available at this time and it took a while sitting and waiting; Lorena (thicc), Livia (skinny morean), and Liz (she overdressed so can't see much). The pics are pretty accurate of what the girls look in person. I wanted to see Natalia, Perola, and Jennifer in person but said they were not there at this time so I picked Lorena.
Massage was decent, kinda need a decent massage anyway after a long flight. Does LFK, she held back some, and oral without. R210 for poster or R250 normal. Next time I'd just schedule for the girl via whatsapp I want based on the review and skip the presentation.
[QUOTE=NiceFirst;2743187]LOL you guys have been at this game for too long you kinda forgot the normal meaning of the word like when the object is a person. "Like" here refers to attraction to a person, not to the money the person has. They used the word chines, so I'm not sure whether it limited to Chinese guys or they meant Asians in general (my bet is Asians in general). Anyway, as you guys said, if Asians pay well and demand less, of course the garotas love them because who wouldn't want more pay for less work? However, if an Asian and a non Asian both pay the same and ask for the same service, the garotas would prefer the non Asian one. That was the point. Each of them had a different order of preference, but both had Asians at the bottom. Anyway, I didn't pick neither of them because they had additional red flags.[/QUOTE]So you heard [B] 1 [/B] GP talking about the preference of [B] most [/B] GPS. I will just take it as a grain of salt. But if most GPS tell me the same directly, instead of thru one single person, then I would consider it.
I think we all are just reporting our observation by eyes or by ears but I think it is problematic when you start making the type of argument you are making.
I know they work together and talk about us but. Never knew they have their own whatsapp group. Wow, very sophisticated LOL.
They are probably posting naked photos of everyone here in that group like how people in this forum are posting photos of them LOL.We
We need to gain access to that group so we can read and find out what their strategies for negotiating and work are so we can counterattack.....Mongers....UNITE!!!
[QUOTE=Hobbying;2743117]There are Brazilian Asians and gringo Asians, the gringos the girls flock to because they know the guys are there to fuck and spend money whereas Brazilian Asians many are there just to collect numbers for later because they know outside they can multiple hours for the same price as going up to the rooms.
BTW the girls have their own Whatsapp group chat where they talk about clients and sell stuff so they have a forum just like us.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=NiceFirst;2743187]LOL you guys have been at this game for too long you kinda forgot the normal meaning of the word like when the object is a person. "Like" here refers to attraction to a person, not to the money the person has. They used the word chines, so I'm not sure whether it limited to Chinese guys or they meant Asians in general (my bet is Asians in general). Anyway, as you guys said, if Asians pay well and demand less, of course the garotas love them because who wouldn't want more pay for less work? However, if an Asian and a non Asian both pay the same and ask for the same service, the garotas would prefer the non Asian one. That was the point.[/QUOTE]And you haven't been in the game long enough to get the true overall gist of the situation, Lol.
Whatever, enjoy your time!
[QUOTE=Nounce;2743467]So you heard [B] 1 [/B] GP talking about the preference of [B] most [/B] GPS. I will just take it as a grain of salt. But if most GPS tell me the same directly, instead of thru one single person, then I would consider it.
I think we all are just reporting our observation by eyes or by ears but I think it is problematic when you start making the type of argument you are making.[/QUOTE]Okay, chill out, you got it all wrong.
I heard it from 2 girls not 1.
That was their argument, not mine.
This matter is not related to me, has nothing to do with me. I simply reported what they said. I only brought this up because a black guy here said he felt prejudices from the GPS, so I thought this information would make him feel better, because I'm a bro.
I know what's going on here, and I'm not participating in it, because like I said, not my problem. If you have any questions, you can ask. Other than that, I'm out of here.
I was thinking of visiting Brazil next year and scanning over [URL]photoacompanhantes.com[/URL]. I see it is the same as Colombia's sister site where I found only 30% of the pictures are current and real. I saw Ellen who was innocent looking 18 with huge real boobs. Two weeks later it is now Elena hardcore looking 23 year old with slightly smaller boobs. I wish I had the older (two weeks prior) pix so you guys could see the before and after like I did. Her face has changed a bit too. So basically she was posting pictures of herself but from 5 years in the past but still claiming to be 18. Just another form of bait and switch.
[QUOTE=NiceFirst;2743712]Okay, chill out, you got it all wrong.
I heard it from 2 girls not 1.
That was their argument, not mine.
This matter is not related to me, has nothing to do with me. I simply reported what they said. I only brought this up because a black guy here said he felt prejudices from the GPS, so I thought this information would make him feel better, because I'm a bro.
I know what's going on here, and I'm not participating in it, because like I said, not my problem. If you have any questions, you can ask. Other than that, I'm out of here.[/QUOTE]Don't fret Nice. People on this forum tend to quibble about everything. Who has agency. Who has authority to speak on a topic. Who has a moral perspective.
Stay engaged.
Racism, stereotyping and other generalization are of course present in boates, as it is in almost every aspect of everyday life. Everyone has their preference in terms of skin color, ethnicity, height, weight, age, body type, eye color, etc.
As a light skinned Eastern Asian American, I haven't experienced any obvious negative racism directed towards me or my other Asian friends when we visited the higher end boates in Sao Paulo (80% of my / our 40 ish visits were to Scandallo, with the rest being to Cafe Photo or Bomboa). All the girls that we were attracted to were more than happy to flirt with us, hang out with us, drink with us, make out with us in public, eat with us (whether in the club or outside the club via a dinner date, go to rooms with us, leave the club with us and of course take money and gifts from us!
Not one girl that we approached brushed us off or made an excuse to not chat with us. If anything, it was the opposite, as we had to politely turn more girls who approached us away than girls we approached ourselves. My friends and I are not shy and reserved people either. We like having a good time in a group setting and happily share our bottles with girls and local guys alike.
I've also spoken to many of the girls I've taken out of the club, many of whom become repeat overnight girls on subsequent trips. A lot of them have lots of Asian clients and many of them claim that they love Asian clients / prefer having them over local Brazilian clients, especially if they can speak Portuguese (or it matted less to not at all if the girl speaks English).
Some prefer their Asian look and culture (Usually k pop or Anime), others mention they feel Asians are more respectful of women in bed and more gentle, others say they believe Asians are less work and less demanding and on average have a smaller cock and less into anal, others say they find Asians are less cheap and negotiate less (which I find hilarious, as almost all Asians I know love to haggle, except me.), others point to Brazilian men and their machismo, etc.
I am sure most of those girls would prefer the looks of a local Brazilian guy to an Asian guy when hooking up or dating. However, many of them also has Asian boyfriends in the past. Whatever their story was, each of them was happy to see me and my friends again and again until they either 1) gets jealous and wants us to be exclusive customers or 2) they move on to bigger and better things and left the business.
So from my bigger sample size of over 150+ personal experiences with Brazilian girls in SP and RJ, and maybe 300+ if we include the experiences of my Asiam friends, we didn't experience any negative racism at Scandallo or other high end Boates or Brazil hobbying venues in general. I am sure there are some girls who don't like or prefer to spend time with Asians. Heck, when some BM said a girl pointed out a particular Asian guy and said she would never see him, she could be talking about me! I know I've had a couple of repeat relationships with Scandallo girls that eventually crashes and burned. And there is no fury like a woman scorned!
At the end of the day Money talks, bullshit walks! Unless you are in hideous shape, have horrible hygeine, have an arrogant and insufferable personality and are a total cheapskate, cash will override most form of negative racism and stereotyping the girls might have towards you.
Edit:. One thing me and 7 other ISG bros agreed on when we met up in SP last week...Asians are the most racist ethnicity, especially to /within their own race!
[QUOTE=SocratesNY;2743851][b]Negative Racism towards Asians in Boates.[/b] Racism, stereotyping and other generalization are of course present in boates, as it is in almost every aspect of everyday life. Everyone has their preference in terms of skin color, ethnicity, height, weight, age, body type, eye color, etc. ... [/QUOTE]
Your report was definitely a good read from your POV, given your experiences and Asian heritage, on the subject. Thanks!
[QUOTE=SocratesNY;743851] At the end of the day Money talks, bullshit walks! Unless you are in hideous shape, have horrible hygeine, have an arrogant and insufferable personality and are a total cheapskate, cash will override most form of negative racism and stereotyping the girls might have towards you. ... [/QUOTE]
Agreed. Yeah, it's true, that for the most part, money will overcome most shit and the abundance and/or lack thereof, can also complicate matters.
[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2743736]I was thinking of visiting Brazil next year and scanning over [URL]photoacompanhantes.com[/URL]. I see it is the same as Colombia's sister site where I found only 30% of the pictures are current and real. I saw Ellen who was innocent looking 18 with huge real boobs. Two weeks later it is now Elena hardcore looking 23 year old with slightly smaller boobs. I wish I had the older (two weeks prior) pix so you guys could see the before and after like I did. Her face has changed a bit too. So basically she was posting pictures of herself but from 5 years in the past but still claiming to be 18. Just another form of bait and switch.[/QUOTE]It is not worth it to use Photoaccomp in SP or even Rio. You got better website option including Twitter if you are in SP. Website is just too time consuming to use. I would just stick with Clinicas and boates in SP and Prives / Termas in Rio.
[QUOTE=SocratesNY;2743851]Edit: One thing me and 7 other ISG bros agreed on when we met up in SP last week...Asians are the most racist ethnicity, especially to /within their own race![/QUOTE]I'll never forget the Filipina girl in Dubai who told me that in her opinion Chinese girls were the most unattractive of all the ethnic Asian girls because they were the most "mongoloid" in their appearance. Asians on Asians. Further, she had a general "rank order" order based not only on race and ethnicity, but on nationality as well, with Americans (white and black) being first in desirability for mating. These are the kinds of things going on in people's heads, but that they don't often say aloud. It's anybody and everybody, including people who make important decisions impacting your life, like supervisors and colleagues. Unsettling. But true. It's why we need laws, because it's not like people won't act on these beliefs in all kinds of ways far more injurious to someone than telling them that they don't want to fuck them, even if they paid them.
[QUOTE=TheCane;2744011]I'll never forget the Filipina girl in Dubai who told me that in her opinion Chinese girls were the most unattractive of all the ethnic Asian girls because they were the most "mongoloid" in their appearance. Asians on Asians. Further, she had a general "rank order" order based not only on race and ethnicity, but on nationality as well, with Americans (white and black) being first in desirability for mating. These are the kinds of things going on in people's heads, but that they don't often say aloud. It's anybody and everybody, including people who make important decisions impacting your life, like supervisors and colleagues. Unsettling. But true. It's why we need laws, because it's not like people won't act on these beliefs in all kinds of ways far more injurious to someone than telling them that they don't want to fuck them, even if they paid them.[/QUOTE]Perhaps your Filipina friend thought about it a bit too much. I think we are all wired to denote differences and make generalizations.
The generalizations manifest themselves here all the time. Many of us would say Latinas are the most beautiful women in the world. I have friends who don't care for Asian girls or Black girls. They go to Brazil and look for the fairest, blondest girls they can find.
How we treat people is what is important. But we do know from study after study, attractive people have advantages afforded them.
Another fantastic SP trip under my belt (10th within the past 18 months), and I keep experiencing, seeing, hearing, learning new and amazing things!
I think my SP hobbying trips have finally plateaued. Prior to this trip, every one of my previous trips was overall an improvement over the previous one. It's not necessarily a bad thing, as I still had an amazing time and this most recent trip still ranks as top 3 to 5 among all my SP trips.
Here are some of the new experiences / insights that I gleamed from this trip. I'll start with the bad and move on to the good or mundane.
Rotten Apple in Terra daa Garoa" / Land of Drizzle:
I've had a handful of meh / average experiences in Brazil and all of them were from either a Moema clinicas, a more local boate like Bamboa, online girl or a RJ tier 1 terma. Therefore, it was truly surprising to me that my FIRST truly bad experience I had with a girl in Brazil, where I just ended the session and told her to leave, was from Scandallo.
I'll preface that I take a lot of the blame for my bad experience, as I broke a lot of my personal rules when doing my due diligence with this girl and ignored so many warning signs, and made countless excuses for her.
I was chilling at around 2:30 am Friday with some ISG bros at Scandallo and was about to call it a night and maybe do a last call type of deal. I had only slept about 4 hours the previous 48 hours so was dead tired. I saw this pretty petite branca morena dancing with this tall model like girl I've had before. She had good dance moves and piqued my curiosity. I figured since she was dancing with and seemed to be a friend with a girl I had a good time with in the past, who was very cool and chill, that she would also be a cool and chill girl. Wrong! Assumptions are the mother of all fuck ups!
I broke my first rule by not spending a decent amount of time talking to her to get a read on her. I've played a lot of poker and think I can read people pretty well. Instead, I cut right to the chase with her and talked business after a brief introduction. I told her I wanted a 3 HR session and what I wanted during the sessio. My requests are nothing freaky. All standard stuff GFE stuff that I didn't previously need to ask (BBBJ, DFK, lots of foreplay, erotic massage play, etc.). But a previous encounter had forced me to be more transparent, especially with higher cost girls I take out. When she agreed, we moved onto pricing and soon agreed to that as well.
Once we went downstairs and went to the cashier, the first red flag occurred. When I went to pay my card, she just handed her card to the cashier and motioned that I was going to take care of it. She never asked me first and I never said I would. She just presumed and took me for granted or for a sucker. Just no respect.
I've paid the card / bill of most of the girls I've taken out, but they always ask me first and inform me it it was just their consumption, which was always minor. There was one exception, when a girl from my last trip, which stuck me with a R600 bill that I didn't realize until the next day, as I was never shown their receipt. She claimed she didn't know it was that high or that her admission on it and offered to reimburse me. I told that girl that there was no need, and that I believe her. But she persisted and insisted that I take her up to the room for a free romp. So I did amd It ended up one being one of the better 1 HR sessions I had. So I now make sure I see the full itemized bill of the girl before I pay it.
Now back to this girl. Her working name is Marina. I have no issues name shaming girls with shitty attitudes and crappy service. I am sure she put me on blast to her friends after! When I saw the R400+ for cover and consumption, I balked at paying it. When I saw her facial expression turn negative and the mood about to sour. It was like a big five alarm going off with large red sirens in my head! I was about to say fuck it and bail, but a combination of events made me change my mind. 1) she quickly hid her emotions and tried to smooth things over by saying I can consider it a tip and if I don't have a good time, I can deduct it from our agreed compensation 2) I had already paid her Saida fee so not sure if I can change my mind (I learn now to pay the bill before Saida fee) 3) I had already settled my bill so not sure if I can open a new one and go back in the club (upon reflection, I am sure I can) 4) I am an optimist at heart and gave her the benefit of the doubt 5) I wanted to see her dance the stripper pole at Lush Hotel.
Off we went to Lush. She was detached on the ride over. Claimed she was tired. Probably true. But not a good start. Lush sold out the room with stripper pole while we were heading over. So the hits keep on coming! Once we get to the room, she tried me to get a buy her a vibrator and dinner without asking. How did she do that you ask? By just taking a new vibrator from the shelf and putting it on the bed. Insinuating she will use it during our session. And of course taking it home after. I took a look and it was R400 for the vibrator. She just opening the menu and says she is hungry. And whether I was too. As if she was paying! This was the last opportunity I had to cut my losses and kick her out without paying her compensation. And I should have listened to my gut and done so and booted her out with just taxi fare and went back to Scandallo for last call.
As for service, Marina tried to skimp on time and service and just tried to get me off ASAP and leave. A wham bam thank you ma'am session was the last thing I wanted. I didn't book 3 hrs for that! I tried to slow her down and give her guidance, but she always quickly reverted back to the pace she was setting and the shitty service she was giving.
I finally had enough of the BS, I told her she obviously didn't want to be here and she can leave. She tried to debate with me that it's not true and she was providing the service we agreed to. I told her she don't need to worry about me not paying her (that would lead to drama I don't want), but she wasn't going to get everything we agreed on. I deducted her bill / tip and Saida fee from our agreed upon compensation for her time and she simply gave me a thumbs up in agreement and left.
So my ONE and ONLY time in Brazil that I kicked a girl out of my bed was a rotten apple from Scandallo! Still a good batting average as that is probably out of 150+ Brazilian women I've had in Sampa and Rio and 70+ of them from Scandallo!
ISG Bros:
I had a great time hanging with a bunch of ISG bros, two of whom I met up with on multiple trips previously in SP. I actually arranged the dates of this trip to hang with them. Our group of 3 eventually grew to as much as 7, when we did an ISG Bros takeover of DOM restaurante! It was amazing hanging with so many like minded guys. I won't name names to keep things discreet, but you guys know who you are. It was a pleasure hanging out with each and every one of you. I hope to hang with you guys again in the future.
High end clinicas:
I am very surprised I've not sampled any high end clinica until now. I wanted to try them out during my first few trips, but had such an amazing time with regular clinicas that I didn't think it would be worth it, especially when I had to use an iPad for presentation and the prices almost reached Scandallo levels. I finally did at the urging and recommendations of a few ISG bros. I went to Lotus Lounge with an ISG bro as wingman and had a good time. I would definitely repeat. Cost:. 350 to house, 330 to girl, total R680.
Do I think it's worth 2 to 2. 5 x the cost of a Moema clinica? Yes, if you like what I like. The room, ambiance, showers, amenities are 3-4 x better than Moema clinicas. Basically comparable to s high end spa / 4 star hotel. The girls are also on average better looking and more of them speak English when compared to a regular clinica girl. All of those traits I prioritize and place value on. They also offer happy hour and loyalty discounts!
Lotus Club:
I had hope to give this boate another chance, as the last time I went, the place was dead. But really nicely furnished. However, before I went there after dinner, a couple of friends were there already and said now the club is now full of mostly ugly and old civilians, with a sprinkling of hotties. There were also some stickers for swingers like (yes / no, available,/ not available, etc.) on some of their clothes. I guess the club pivoted to a civilian, semi swing club after not succeeding as an alternative to Cafe Photo / Scandallo.
Cafe Photo:
Went there with some ISG bros and we left after 30 min and headed to Scandallo. It was a bad omen when I saw two good looking girls leaving when we arrived. They probably went to Scandallo or a working girl party pickup spot like Bagatelle. After the previous 2 nights at Scandallo, it was like going from the Yankees to single A ball. For non baseball fans. It's like going from listening to Adele to listening to your kid's elementary school recital. The admission is now all consumption R350. They did tack on a 15% tip gratuity without saying anything. When I asked why it was higher then 350, they said it was a 15% service charge for the waiters and it was voluntary and they would remove it if we wanted. We said keep it, but still found it shady and forced. I've told myself before, so I hope to keep telling myself, but I am done with this place.
I did found the service to be a tad above Scandallo. But with the client to waiter ratio almost 1:2. It does feel a bit awkward. Like you have too many watchful servants. The way they brought over glasses with lime or berries in ice for our bottle of gin was nicely done.
Casarao:
I finally crossed it off my bucket list. And I will return. Shocked I never went there before this trip as I stay in the area so often (Renaissance, Tivoli, intercontinental, Fasano, Rosewood, etc.). I think the reasons were 1) thought it was more for locals and my lack of Porto would be a huge impediment 2) I presumed it was an inferior Bomboa. 3). The last time I wanted to go, . My friends said. They just went a few days ago and it was meh!
So after finishing a dinner date and catching the end of the Bucs game, I got bored and couldn't sleep. I hit up a wingman to go check it out on a Sunday at midnight. It was one of few clubs open, and as I just finished with a girl, I figure I would just go to look.
It's definitely self service, when Scandallo is full service! No glasses with ice. Nicely wrapped with a napkin here with your coke or red bull. There is a big garbage can for you to throw out your own garbage! A bit of a dive bar vibe, but better layout than Bomboa. It was decent on Sunday. More hopping than Cafe Photo on a Saturday! Was told it can be packed during the weekdays. Saw a girl from Scandallo there that I had thought about taking when she was at Scandallo a couple of nights ago. Quickly negotiated a takeout back to my hotel. Had such a good time, I extended our time twice, and at a fraction of Scandallo prices! My wingman scored a good deal on a pernoite as well and his girl fucked his brains out not once. Not twice, but 3 times before she left him famished when we met up for lunch! She might have tried to kill him and went in for #4 if not for his lunch date with me and a friend!
Scandallo:
Still the king of boates. Not even a close contest. No challenger is even close to dethroning them.
Beats every night end and low end boates in every area except price and maybe location. Quality of girls (check) Quantity of girls (check). Ambiance (check) Luxury (check) Food (check) Drinks (check) Smokes (check) Safety (check).
Excluding the rotten apple Marina, I took 5/6 other Scandallo girls out to Lush or to my hotel. I had a great to amazing time with each of them. If I could combine the best qualities of each of those 5/6 girls, I would have my dream girl! As it stands, each of them are incredible in their own ways and worthy of a repeat.
Lush Hotel:
I previously had not used any love motels in Brazil not because I didn't want to, but mostly because I always had an amazing suite at a 5 star hotel. The few times that I still wanted to check Lush out with my main Scandallo girl, she said it's not worth it and said that my room is nicer.
After using Lush 3 x and trying 3 separate room tyoes this trip, I would agree and disagree with her. The lower to medium end rooms are basically similar to a regular room at your hotel. I tried the "Lush Hidro" with the Jacuzzi and it's not really a big room. The "Lush Lounge" with the outdoor area and stripper pole was larger and pretty nice. Good value as well and I would recommend, especially with a girl that can dance.
I really wanted to try out the "Lush Cine" room with the 4 DX movie chairs. I was told it is hard to get as they only have 2 of those rooms so is usually booked out. I will need to book in advance my next trip to check it out.
On my final day / evening before my late flight, I splurged on the "Lush Splash Spa", with a swimming pool with inflatables, Jacuzzi, outdoor tanning area, sauna room, double showers, etc! It was fucking amazing! Better than the Presidential suite at the Grand Hyatt, but still below the Presidential suite at the Renaissance!
As my flight back to the US is always late at night, I found using Lush before my flight to be amazingly convenient for a last hurrah. 1). I don't need to go back to hotel to get luggage on way to GRU 2) it's closer to GRU than most areas where my hotel is so I can fuck later before I go straight to the airport! I hear some guys even take their luggage to Scandallo before a flight. Not sure if I would be comfortable with that, but Lush is a good alternative.
Inflation:
I went with 6 different Scandallo girls and their asking prices were higher than previous. R2,000 to R4000 for takeout. Most didn't distinguish 2-3 hrs vs. Pernoite until the morning. They just charged the same for Saida. I rarely do 1 HR so only asked that of a few, but R1,000 to R1,500 was the asking price. As I was not interested in 1 HR, I didn't negotiate further, but I presume most would settle st 6-800.
There was one girl who wanted R4,500 so I told her we were too far apart that it wasn't worth negotiating. For the others, I was still able to get pernoite takeout for 1300 to 1500, but harder to get 1000.
For clinica girls, I was able to get 700 to 1000 pernoite and friends who did seeking, and online girls, etc. Were also able to get prices much lower than Scandallo.
Ecigs:
While technically illegal in Brazil, can be bought at most tobacco shops. Just ask. And they will show you. In my case, it was hidden behind a hidden sliding door / wall! Or you can buy it at Scandallo at s premium!
Mani:
Finally checked it out and Mani has overtaken the. O. M. As my favorite restaurant in Sao Paulo. Highly recommended! Support Chef Helena Rizzo's charity. Very good cause.
TLDR:. Sampa is amazing. Brazilian women are incredible! If you are on the fence about visiting. Hop off it and go!
[QUOTE=Hobbying;2743117]There are Brazilian Asians and gringo Asians, the gringos the girls flock to because they know the guys are there to fuck and spend money whereas Brazilian Asians many are there just to collect numbers for later because they know outside they can multiple hours for the same price as going up to the rooms.
BTW the girls have their own Whatsapp group chat where they talk about clients and sell stuff so they have a forum just like us.[/QUOTE]To the first point, I observed it to be mostly true. When they do take a girl, to the room, usually only a few in the group does, and the rest just wait for him to return before leaving as a group.
I've seen their WhatsApp group. The big general one is usually too big for most girls to follow, especially when they can't keep their phone with them. My old Scandallo regular barely look at it or participate in the big group. But each girl have their own little clique and they have their own mini groups that they follow. Like one for a few Scandallo friends. One for high end working girl party circuit friends, etc.
[QUOTE=NiceFirst;2743712]...That was their argument, not mine...[/QUOTE]I treat what you heard equally to what others or I saw. It's the subsequent argument you made that you seemed to try to make the argument for them. I said that is problematic.
[QUOTE=SocratesNY;2744046]Another fantastic SP trip under my belt (10th within the past 18 months), and I keep experiencing, seeing, hearing, learning new and amazing things!...[/QUOTE]Thanks for the great report.
Is it much better experience to get wine pairing with a group of friends at DOM? That is something I always wonder. I personally find it is very boring to have tasting menu alone.
Mani is good. I discovered it by accident the way I liked it by walking around. I went to the breakfast place with similar name a few doors down that was always packed. The wait was so long that I wondered around while waiting for a seat. Mani told me they had seat so I went back to the breakfast place to tell them I was going to Mani if I have to wait longer. Anyway, I went back to Mani another night planning to take a clinica girl with me but she turned her whatsapp off when she was not working. The time I was there, the wine pairing was by bottle so it is better to go with a friend. The food and ambience are excellent.
Casarao can have more girls than Scandallo depending on the night. It can get packed very late. I did not like the difficulty negotiating service with the girls. It is not as easy as Scandallo for me.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2744093]Thanks for the great report.
Is it much better experience to get wine pairing with a group of friends at DOM? That is something I always wonder. I personally find it is very boring to have tasting menu alone.[/QUOTE]We didn't do the wine pairing. I also rarely do it when alone, as I am not a big drinker. When I do get it, I usually share it with my date / my significant other. Some guys stuck to non alcoholic, most tried their cocktails and maybe a glass of wine with their main course.
[QUOTE]
Mani is good. I discovered it by accident the way I liked it by walking around. I went to the breakfast place with similar name a few doors down that was always packed. The wait was so long that I wondered around while waiting for a seat. Mani told me they had seat so I went back to the breakfast place to tell them I was going to Mani if I have to wait longer. Anyway, I went back to Mani another night planning to take a clinica girl with me but she turned her whatsapp off when she was not working. The time I was there, the wine pairing was by bottle so it is better to go with a friend. The food and ambience are excellent.[/QUOTE]The main Mani restaurant is usually booked out, especially on weekends for dinner, so you were lucky to get a walkup table. I guess mid-week lunch is more open though Their bakery / breakfast place "Padoca of Man" is very popular and a great choice for brunch.
We were stuffed at the end of our tasting menu. I might go a la carte when I return.
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Casarao can have more girls than Scandallo depending on the night. It can get packed very late. I did not like the difficulty negotiating service with the girls. It is not as easy as Scandallo for me.[/QUOTE]Uh. More girls than Scandallo? Casarao is like like 1/5th to 1/8th the size of Scandallo. And that's AFTER NOT INCLUDING the RESTAURANT in Scandallo.
People must be squished together like canned sardines! In that environment, it must be impossible to talk. I guess you can take the girls downstairs to the smoking area to chat, but I would imagine that area would be packed on those nights too.
I am not sure if that's what you mean by "the difficulty negotiating service with the girls", e. G. , it's too crowded and loud to talk, where in Scandallo, you can do it in a more relaxing and quieter environment if you so choose by going to the outdoor patio, restaurant, etc.
If you mean something different, like the culture or vibe of the club or the girls are just different, then please elaborate.
[QUOTE=FlowState985;2743904]It is not worth it to use Photoaccomp in SP or even Rio. You got better website option including Twitter if you are in SP. Website is just too time consuming to use. I would just stick with Clinicas and boates in SP and Prives / Termas in Rio.[/QUOTE]I concur that most mongers here should stick to the local sex venues you mentioned.
Some of us have had success with finding great girls from the internet, but it requires patience and some ingenuity to navigate the Brazilian escort scene. Many guys who immediately gravitate to website photos for some reason think it's point at a hot photo and click. There's too much risk of a bad experience with that approach.
[QUOTE=SocratesNY;2744046]Mani:
Finally checked it out and Mani has overtaken D. O. M. As my favorite restaurant in Sao Paulo. Highly recommended! Support Chef Helena Rizzo's charity. Very good cause.
TLDR:. Sampa is amazing. Brazilian women are incredible! If you are on the fence about visiting. Hop off it and go![/QUOTE]Just curious, does the. O. M. Still offer two tasting menus?
I found the larger tasting menu was too much for me. I noticed most the locals were ordering the smaller tasting menu and it seemed to be plenty of food.
[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2744045]How we treat people is what is important. But we do know from study after study, attractive people have advantages afforded them.[/QUOTE]I have an extremely attractive work colleague. She's very pretty, and she knows it. She's done all kinds of interesting things in her life and had opportunities to do this, that, and the other. One day she admitted to me that she knew she'd had opportunities to get ahead because of her looks. I told her she is the only person who has ever admitted anything like that to me about themselves, even though we all know it's true. That said, I will add that she actually is very intelligent and hardworking. But, having her looks never hurt either! To the point that I think maybe she even had some chances to do things she did not necessarily deserve.
I am not a drinker either but I do enjoy light drinking with meal.
[QUOTE=SocratesNY;2744105]...so you were lucky to get a walkup table. ....[/QUOTE]I almost never go to places that require me to book too far ahead simply because I never book in advance that way. I sent Mani message around 5 PM, and there was one table available at 8 PM that I took. If I had to book in the morning to get a table, then I probably won't go unless it is with a friend. I post image here just for my own memory.
[QUOTE=SocratesNY;2744105]...
Uh. More girls than Scandallo? Casarao is like like 1/5th to 1/8th the size of Scandallo. And that's AFTER NOT INCLUDING the RESTAURANT in Scandallo.,,[/QUOTE]The most I have gone was 3 nights in one week. I counted the number of girls almost every time because I have nothing better to do. On one Tuesday there were at least 150 girls conservatively speaking. That is the most I have observed. Around 10 PM the restaurant was full because I could not find a table to have dinner, and there was a line waiting for the room upstairs when I went with a girl. The girl quality was very hight that I had several candidates. I guess this is the type of nights many were talking about before Pandemic. This is the night that changed my view.
I don't think there were more than 100 girls in several slow nights that I went. The slowest night was a cold Wednesday that outdoor area were closed. Most regulars I recognize were not in the club. The club area was half empty when I saw it from upstairs. Casarao were frequently packed during weeknights so it could have more girls relatively speaking. Also it started very late. I reported a live sex show started around 4 AM.
[QUOTE=SocratesNY;2744105]...I am not sure if that's what you mean by "the difficulty negotiating service with the girls", ...[/QUOTE]It takes more work or negotiation to get BBBJ, for example, or kissing. I don't remember a time I was refused either at Scandallo, and usually the girl just start making out with me in the club. I took a girl who agreed to kissing but won't do it in the club. She did not do it in the room either. I am 100% at Scandallo percentagewise.
First of all, SocratesNY — great report. It sucks that we missed each other by a few days and maybe next time we can plan a get together.
Arrived at Scandello approx at 915 pm and walked around for a bit. It was slow and there weren't a lot of girls. So I picked a spot at the lobby bar and ordered a beer. I was going to take it slow tonight because I wanted to find a gem that checks off my list. I haven't been to Scandello since February and I wanted to find someone who would be enjoyable to spend time with.
I talked to approx 10 girls in the first two hours but none suited my fancy. The first few conversations lasted less than 5 mins due to the fact that the girl just couldn't get keep the conversation going. It was very forced. I would walk around every once in a while and saw some that were very pretty and some that I didn't know why they were there. There is really something for everyone here. By the end of the night, there must have been over 300 girls here in all flavors.
As the dance floor area started to get crowded, I went for a walk thru and immediately saw one that caught my attention and gave her a smile. But I kept walking since the crowd and noise wasn't my cup of tea. So went back to the bar to sit down. And within 5-10 mins comes the girl who caught my attention and she orders a coffee. We started talking about the coffee and how she like to drink it and the conversation just flowed from there. She asked me to join her for a smoke out in the main patio and we went and sat down. It all started from there. We had good connection and the conversation flowed freely without long pauses.
Long story short. We stayed for another three hours chatting, drinking and ordered some appetizers. She loosened up a lot and more open to kissing and letting me get my hands under her dress below the jacket she was wearing. She ask what I wanted and I explained my wants (nothing freaky) and issues I have had previously. She gave me her price and it a bit higher that what I wanted to pay but she made a deal. If she performs up to my needs, pay that price. If she doesn't, then I need to tell her and she will leave with a much smaller payment. I said "what the hell" . We clicked well together so what do I have to lose. Her one non-negotiable was condoms for everything except oral which I was disappointed with but agreed.
She asked me to pay her consumables and I agreed. It was only 110 R so no big deal and she was ready after I paid the house fee of 300 R and my tab. Got into the taxi and she was sitting next to me and we were kissing the whole way to the hotel. In the room, after showering, both of us wanted each other and I made her orgasm a few times with DATY. She started her BBBJ and then crawled on top and went BBFS. She just told me pull out in time and I told her I was snipped so no worries. She still didn't want me to finish inside so I respected that. After we were done, I showed her my recent tests and my vasectomy proof. That put her at super ease and she still insisted on pulling out with which I will respect. Took a slight break and talked more with her all cuddling up and we started kissing again which got me ready for the next round and all she did was turn around and guided me in. Wet as fuck and again pulled out. She then turned around and told me that she loves sex and everything about sex so if I am hard at anytime this weekend, she will make sure to satisfy me. I was like. JACKPOT!! Her features were perfectly up my alley. She has a lot tattoos but I have a few so not a dealbreaker. Perfect size tits to hold in my hand, 24 hrs old, small button nipples, tight wet pussy and a perfect tight ass. No kids so no baby damage and no stretch marks on her body. A perfect 8 and her attitude makes her a 10 in my book.
Looking forward to the rest of the weekend and the sex to come. As SocratesNY said below, Scandello is the the king of all boates. I almost always find what I am looking for here and I have usually not been disappointed since I can be patient and take my time to choose the right one.
Next report will be about the weekend spent and the food that I ended up trying out this trip.
Hi ISGers, I feel obliged to contribute after reading so many of your valuable reports. Thank you to everyone who contributed, it has helped me tremendously in my first trip to SP!
So first a bit about myself. I am an Asian-Canadian, 30's, who doesn't speak anything beyond the most basic Porto (I can understand a tiny bit). Funny how the recent forum posts were discussing people's views towards Asians. My guess is Asians tend to hang out in groups and have a certain vibe about them that is very hit-or-miss. I actually don't like hanging out with fellow Asians, because socially Asians tend to just stick together and not be very open about chatting up other people. Maybe the language barrier is also an issue. I speak perfect English, so I get by.
Okay so get down to brass tacks. My sessions:
1) Giulia Monteiro from PhotoAcompanhante (PA): Loved what I saw on the profile, but aware of fake potential. Did the best to verify her identity, she even sent a disappearing WhatsApp selfie, so I had my hopes up. Went to her immediately on Tuesday morning after delayed arrival at GRU. Works out of small prive. But girl who showed up wasn't the same girl, not even the same name. They tried to offer me another girl closer to what I am looking for, but no, I don't support bait-and-switch, so I left. No money paid, just time, but since it's close to Liberdade, I walked back to places I want to see anyway. No major harm done.
2) Cleo from PA: short little cutie who works out of another prive near Santa Cruz metro. Matches photos, maybe a bit less fit than photo suggests, but still in decent shape. Very friendly attitude despite my lack of Porto. BBBJ, GFE. Great service. Had me cum once, and since I was on Viagra, I stayed hard and we sessioned again. Tried to get me to cum a second time, and as I don't cum easily to begin with, we weren't successful, but that's not her fault. In fact, she went 15 min over the hour but I was only charged the hourly rate that I paid for at the beginning, which I couldn't believe was a very cheap R170! 9/10.
3) Jasmine from Twitter (at jas_saintpierre): Fuck where do I begin? Communicated well on WhatsApp, had my hopes up since she's new on Twitter and seems to have just returned from abroad. Had a 'luxury' air about her, and since she spoke English, I thought, sure, why not? First red-flag was that she had to delay our scheduled appointment by an hour and a half. Okay, bad traffic, blah blah blah, I can deal with it. She works out of a hotel in Jardins area. It was tough getting to the area with the rainy weather, but I was there at the lobby a few minutes after the appointed time. Slow documents check, calling her down. By the time I got up with her to her room we were 20 minutes past out appointment 'start time'. She was friendly, so the conversation never went to 'hey, when does the hour actually start and end'. But she insisted R600 to start, which I tried to do the half upfront, half at the end compromise, but she wouldn't budge. Second red-flag, and how I regretted. By the time we actually started to roll in the sheets it was 7 pm. Face is decent, her body is a bit fatter than the photos on Twitter, not disgusting bad, but certainly not what I would choose in a lineup. Fake breasts, whatever. Decent enough fuck, until the phone ran at 7:30 pm (from her pimp I would later figure out), then it's like all hell broke lose. She just up and stopped, told me the hour was up, I was like wtf? She kept insisting that the appointment time started at 6:30 pm, and that I was late. I was like. Yea, but you were the who rescheduled me, and had me move my plans around. She was removing the bed sheets and refused to continue. So no warning, not even a 'hey I need to make you cum because we are almost done'. Then I assume she proceeded to call her pimp because 10 min later as I finished getting changed to leave, loud bangs at the door, and rough angry looking guy showed up. At first I thought it was another client that she seemed to suggest she had, but later as I was going through my phone in the lobby, I saw the same character bring in another girl. So no, that's her pimp. Don't know if it's Jasmine or her pimp or both that decided that's how business should be done, but fuck them both. R600 for 30 min and didn't even finish?! Avoid like the plague, don't support traffickers. 0/10.
Thank goodness a nice Italian dinner nearby made up for an otherwise terrible evening.
4) Casarao. Marina: Went there after dinner. Met an interesting character there. A local Asian man named David in his 60's was friendly, spoke good English, and took me under his wings. He explains that he's been doing this for decades and he's quite a legend for making girls cum (LOL? He chose to sit right by the door so he can immediately scan all the arrivals, and I hung out with him there for a bit. But then tons of girls come to greet him like he's some kind of godfather, he was passing me tips about girls that he know (including who to avoid) and he knows the bouncers and other regulars, so I actually think he's legit. He even had some English-speaking girls come greet me, very kind of him. Place was packed at around midnight, easily 100+girls with all the comings-and-goings. But here's the thing, I like to hunt solo, and I had my eye on a girl who at first glance looked like all kinds of wrong. She's not your typical 'hottie' - wears glasses, reminds me a bit of Anna Kendrick (who I do like). She was on her phone the moment she came in and went to the downstairs bar. When I saw her again upstairs, she's still on her phone. I was like, whatever, let's introduce myself and see what will happen. Well guess what, Marina turned out to be extremely friendly even though she doesn't speak English. I managed to get her to laugh quite a bit, and she even grinded up on me for a good while as we enjoyed the music. She tried to get me to pay her R1000, I negotiated down to R400 for the hour, which she accepted quickly. A petite little spinner, not much for breasts, but great energy in bed, BBFS, GFE, etc. We made it work despite the language barrier and had a great time. 8. 5/10.
5) Mika Nikkei (found on MClass): After an unsuccessful after tour of the Moema clinicas (nothing to my liking, I have a type), I schedule with her, trusting the website's reputation. First red-flag was her attitude on WhatsApp, I thought it was not friendly at all. R100 to schedule, second red-flag. Girl is the same as photos, but she was late because of traffic, and then had problems getting her hotel room authorized. We waited around like idiots for 30 minutes in the lobby. Third red-flag. Go upstairs, her body is not as nice as her photos (stretch marks), and she gave a half-hearted service, which is totally different from what we discussed on WhatsApp. Bad-smelling pussy. This idiot is still heading into the fucking trap. I asked for the anal she promised, she got pissed, grumbling and did it for 30's, then claimed I am hurting her (I was neither rough nor am I gifted). Okay whatever, finished around the 35 min mark with a CIM (again promised), she fucking bolted to the bathroom swearing. Like you kept your mouth open * what did you expect?! Then she came back and said we are done, I was like, wait, your service promised an hour. ? She kept swearing, refusing to even use Google translate to get her point across. I was done too, I don't need to put up with this attitude. I did say that given your lateness and the short service, I am cutting the R400 remainder payment by half (do you guys think that's fair? I do). Then she claimed that no, this is what it is, she would call police otherwise. I actually wanted to dare her to do it, or just up and run, but realizes that R200 is not worth the added drama, so was like fuck it, lesson learned. Also made me miss the early entry discount for Scandallo, so in a sense lost another R200 because of her. 0/10.
6) Isa Nakamura (at isanakamuragp3): found on Twitter, I scheduled with her, with the plan to meet her at my hotel after checking in at Scandallo. Well given what happened (see #5), I didn't bother going to Scandallo yet, and I was contemplating cancelling with Isa since I was in a bad mood. Glad I didn't. She is an educated young woman, speaks good English, who actually looked very much the part of a university student, and I like her mestizo features. 8/10 for body. She was shy to begin with, but warmed up as we had a nice conversation about travels and studies. Enhanced tits, body that is not as toned as I hoped, but easily 7. 5/10 still. Good session with BBFS and GFE. 8/10.
6) Scandallo. Nathalia: Wow, the hype is real. Wednesday night at 11 pm is a zoo. Bodies everywhere, booze flowing freely, it took me a good 45 min just to get my bearings. As I finally settled into the upstairs bar, I caught the eye of a young spinner named Bianca. Like her work name, she was dressed in all-white, almost cosplay-like outfit, complete with a white ribbon in her hair, face all dolled up. Couldn't stop applying more of her bright red lipstick while chatting with me. My guess is she's playing up that anime kawaii trope, and thought I would be a sucker for it. Truth be told, I was interested, but more because of her body type. She then had this really odd 'shy schoolgirl' attitude about her as I asked her about herself. She also kept glancing back to this other Asian dude that she was chatting with earlier. Honestly I think it's all an act, and I hated it. Did get a price though. She opened with 1000, I got her down to 400, which she accepted. She promised the world, including anal. I know this is apparently a great deal at Scandallo these days, but LOL, nope. She probably thinks I am a 10-min guy with her thing for Asians (I can easily go a full hour), and given the strange vibes about her, I told her I would get back to her after I finish my drink. She proceeded to go to the other Asian dude she was eyeing. I think they were chatting for like 2+hours (or what constituted for chatting in her books anyway, all she gave me were one word answers) because I saw them together still after I finished my time with Nathalia (below). If he sessioned with her, good for him. I hope it was good, but I doubt it LOL.
Downstairs in the main room, there were hotties everywhere, but they looked too 'pro' for my liking. As I was circling for another look in the restaurants and smokers' corner, I caught the eye of a glasses-wearing cutie named Nathalia at the back. I don't usually have a thing for girls with glasses, but both nights at different clubs it happened *shrugs*. She speaks some English, there's just a very friendly vibe about her, she claimed it's only her second time there at Scandallo, which might not be true, but she didn't seem to be a full pro. Claims to be from the northeast of Brazil. She was very helpful with getting me to navigate the Scandallo bureaucracy. She opened with 1000 for the hour, I returned 400, agreed on 500 with anal included. Woah. Not bad for a first time negotiator after all the previous reports I read, right? Anyway, upstairs the session was excellent. 8. 5/10 for body, 9/10 for face. Everything was done as promised, very GFE, we even did it a bit in the shower. Went over time by 15 min, and she honestly seemed to feel bad for me because of the added hotel fees, but I honestly don't care, since it was a tremendous session. She even left me a business card (who does that?! Haha). 9. 5/10.
7) Giovanna Berlot (MClass, Twitter): You can find other reviews about her on gp-guia. She's seriously good. R500 for 1 h, which is R100 more than a few weeks ago when I first ask for a quote, but honestly, so worth it. Doesn't speak English, but doesn't matter. Her body type is a 10/10 for me, petite and toned, and she now has new blonde hair which makes her look even hotter. Very good energy in bed also, just no anal. 9. 5/10.
7 sessions in about 48 hours. 2/7 struck out. Learned some lessons, had a great time. Not bad for a first trip to Brazil; I am now heading to Rio after a weekend with non-mongering friends.
I am not a full member yet, but if there's good feedback on these reports, I might consider it given the nice community here. Obrigado for reading. Tchau!
[QUOTE=Anaggie;2744158]First of all, SocratesNY great report. It sucks that we missed each other by a few days and maybe next time we can plan a get together.
Arrived at Scandello approx at 915 pm and walked around for a bit. It was slow and there weren't a lot of girls. So I picked a spot at the lobby bar and ordered a beer. I was going to take it slow tonight because I wanted to find a gem that checks off my list. I haven't been to Scandello since February and I wanted to find someone who would be enjoyable to spend time with.
I talked to approx 10 girls in the first two hours but none suited my fancy. The first few conversations lasted less than 5 mins due to the fact that the girl just couldn't get keep the conversation going. It was very forced. I would walk around every once in a while and saw some that were very pretty and some that I didn't know why they were there. There is really something for everyone here. By the end of the night, there must have been over 300 girls here in all flavors.
As the dance floor area started to get crowded, I went for a walk thru and immediately saw one that caught my attention and gave her a smile. But I kept walking since the crowd and noise wasn't my cup of tea. So went back to the bar to sit down. And within 5-10 mins comes the girl who caught my attention and she orders a coffee. We started talking about the coffee and how she like to drink it and the conversation just flowed from there. She asked me to join her for a smoke out in the main patio and we went and sat down. It all started from there. We had good connection and the conversation flowed freely without long pauses.
Long story short. We stayed for another three hours chatting, drinking and ordered some appetizers. She loosened up a lot and more open to kissing and letting me get my hands under her dress below the jacket she was wearing. She ask what I wanted and I explained my wants (nothing freaky) and issues I have had previously. She gave me her price and it a bit higher that what I wanted to pay but she made a deal. If she performs up to my needs, pay that price. If she doesn't, then I need to tell her and she will leave with a much smaller payment. I said "what the hell" . We clicked well together so what do I have to lose. Her one non-negotiable was condoms for everything except oral which I was disappointed with but agreed.
She asked me to pay her consumables and I agreed. It was only 110 R so no big deal and she was ready after I paid the house fee of 300 R and my tab. Got into the taxi and she was sitting next to me and we were kissing the whole way to the hotel. In the room, after showering, both of us wanted each other and I made her orgasm a few times with DATY. She started her BBBJ and then crawled on top and went BBFS. She just told me pull out in time and I told her I was snipped so no worries. She still didn't want me to finish inside so I respected that. After we were done, I showed her my recent tests and my vasectomy proof. That put her at super ease and she still insisted on pulling out with which I will respect. Took a slight break and talked more with her all cuddling up and we started kissing again which got me ready for the next round and all she did was turn around and guided me in. Wet as fuck and again pulled out. She then turned around and told me that she loves sex and everything about sex so if I am hard at anytime this weekend, she will make sure to satisfy me. I was like. JACKPOT!! Her features were perfectly up my alley. She has a lot tattoos but I have a few so not a dealbreaker. Perfect size tits to hold in my hand, 24 hrs old, small button nipples, tight wet pussy and a perfect tight ass. No kids so no baby damage and no stretch marks on her body. A perfect 8 and her attitude makes her a 10 in my book.
Looking forward to the rest of the weekend and the sex to come. As SocratesNY said below, Scandello is the the king of all boates. I almost always find what I am looking for here and I have usually not been disappointed since I can be patient and take my time to choose the right one.
Next report will be about the weekend spent and the food that I ended up trying out this trip.[/QUOTE]Great report Anaggie. That is how you do it. Choose wisely and take the time to connect. With a likewise similar strategy I have around a 98% batting average in Scandallo and Bomboa. The minor difference between your approach and mine is that I prefer to do 1st time sessions in-house and then afterwards if things went well and I want to see her again and she me, we will exchange WhatsApp #s and take things from there. After every trip to SP I wind up with more girl numbers than I know what to do with.
Hi Socrates, I know how you feel about SP. I am heading back down there in less than 3 weeks, and I am starting to get stoked. It will be my 4th 6 week visit in less than 2 years. What can I say? I love the girls. I keep putting off my return to Thailand and the PI on account of SP girls. Ha Ha.
I am sorry to hear about your Marina experience, but sometimes guys like us need a poor session once in a blue moon to remind us not to take things too much for granted and to remember that nobody walk can on water. Like you said, you "broke a lot of (your) personal rules" that led to the final outcome. I have been there done that, but only on rare occasions. Thank the Lord above. KKK.
On high end clinicas: I am big fan of Prime, but I have also enjoyed Lotus Lounge. I feel that punters should consider all their options when in SP and the clinicas are a great afternoon diversion.
Lotus Club: your description matches my memory. I have only been there once. Friendly managemnt. The place looked 1st class and I am sure a lot of money went into the renovation, but where are the high-quality girls? Without plenty of lookers a place is nowhere. What a shame because I wanted to like Lotus Club. I wanted the place to be great.
Cafe Photo: I have not been there yet, and your review is not very encouraging. LOL. But since I am staying at the Hyatt for one of the weeks that I am in town, I will probably give it a look see anyway and if it is no good, I will head over to Bomboa or Scandallo.
Casarao: It is on my bucket list this trip for sure, although it was on my bucket list on my last visit too. I don't know; a lot of BM's like the place, so I got to go and see what everybody is talking about, but the hours don't work for me. When I am in SP I like to be on the scent from around 9 pm to midnight. That means I have already found a girl or girls by the time Casarao starts rocking. I don't like the idea of holding off until midnight to begin my night, so my plan will be to hit Scandallo 1st, score, and then after my 1st tryst of the evening, head over to Casarao and see what happens. I love 2 fer nights.
Scandallo: "Still the king of boates. Not even a close contest. " Yeah, you got that right! Scandallo is the main reason I am not even bothering with RJ this upcoming visit. It is a shame, but RJ has nothing to offer on the same level. To top it off I have a favorite Scandallo girl that I am just smitten with. We get together mainly at my hotel nowadays. Sunday is our date night.
Inflation 1: 5 star hotel prices are going through the roof. The Renaissance & Intercontinental are asking more than $250/ night and they are not even that good, IMHO, especially the Intercontinental which is in need of a renovation. But I am going to the well on this upcoming visit, using ALL my Marriot, Intercontinental points and vouchers. That takes care of the 1st 2 weeks. Then I move south to the much more reasonably priced Hyatt and to very reasonable & comfortable Brazilian hotels in Itaim Bibi.
Inflation 2: Scandallo girly prices: Last year all the girls were happy with 500 br to 600 br. In April / May 2022 I noticed a two-tier system had evolved in Scandallo. Tier 1 girls or model quality girls were asking anywhere from 1000 br to 2000 br and Tier 2 girls or pretty girl next door types were asking under 1000 br. And I found this simple formula usually settled the issue: take the girls asking price divide by 2 and add 200 br. Every girl accepted my counter using this formula. Examples: 2000 br Tier 1 always accepted 1200 br and a 900 br Tier 2 always accepted 650 to 700 br. I am talking ST. LT is different, but I never do LT until a girl and I have some history together. Interestingly this 2-tier system does not exist at Bomboa where all the girls seem happy with 700 br or a little less.
Anyway, keep rocking. Great report!
[QUOTE=SocratesNY;2744046]Another fantastic SP trip under my belt (10th within the past 18 months), and I keep experiencing, seeing, hearing, learning new and amazing things!
I think my SP hobbying trips have finally plateaued. Prior to this trip, every one of my previous trips was overall an improvement over the previous one. It's not necessarily a bad thing, as I still had an amazing time and this most recent trip still ranks as top 3 to 5 among all my SP trips.
Here are some of the new experiences / insights that I gleamed from this trip. I'll start with the bad and move on to the good or mundane.
Rotten Apple in Terra daa Garoa" / Land of Drizzle:
I've had a handful of meh / average experiences in Brazil and all of them were from either a Moema clinicas, a more local boate like Bamboa, online girl or a RJ tier 1 terma. Therefore, it was truly surprising to me that my FIRST truly bad experience I had with a girl in Brazil, where I just ended the session and told her to leave, was from Scandallo.
I'll preface that I take a lot of the blame for my bad experience, as I broke a lot of my personal rules when doing my due diligence with this girl and ignored so many warning signs, and made countless excuses for her.
I was chilling at around 2:30 am Friday with some ISG bros at Scandallo and was about to call it a night and maybe do a last call type of deal. I had only slept about 4 hours the previous 48 hours so was dead tired. I saw this pretty petite branca morena dancing with this tall model like girl I've had before. She had good dance moves and piqued my curiosity. I figured since she was dancing with and seemed to be a friend with a girl I had a good time with in the past, who was very cool and chill, that she would also be a cool and chill girl. Wrong! Assumptions are the mother of all fuck ups!
I broke my first rule by not spending a decent amount of time talking to her to get a read on her. I've played a lot of poker and think I can read people pretty well. Instead, I cut right to the chase with her and talked business after a brief introduction. I told her I wanted a 3 HR session and what I wanted during the sessio. My requests are nothing freaky. All standard stuff GFE stuff that I didn't previously need to ask (BBBJ, DFK, lots of foreplay, erotic massage play, etc.). But a previous encounter had forced me to be more transparent, especially with higher cost girls I take out. When she agreed, we moved onto pricing and soon agreed to that as well.
Once we went downstairs and went to the cashier, the first red flag occurred. When I went to pay my card, she just handed her card to the cashier and motioned that I was going to take care of it. She never asked me first and I never said I would. She just presumed and took me for granted or for a sucker. Just no respect.
I've paid the card / bill of most of the girls I've taken out, but they always ask me first and inform me it it was just their consumption, which was always minor. There was one exception, when a girl from my last trip, which stuck me with a R600 bill that I didn't realize until the next day, as I was never shown their receipt. She claimed she didn't know it was that high or that her admission on it and offered to reimburse me. I told that girl that there was no need, and that I believe her. But she persisted and insisted that I take her up to the room for a free romp. So I did amd It ended up one being one of the better 1 HR sessions I had. So I now make sure I see the full itemized bill of the girl before I pay it.
Now back to this girl. Her working name is Marina. I have no issues name shaming girls with shitty attitudes and crappy service. I am sure she put me on blast to her friends after! When I saw the R400+ for cover and consumption, I balked at paying it. When I saw her facial expression turn negative and the mood about to sour. It was like a big five alarm going off with large red sirens in my head! I was about to say fuck it and bail, but a combination of events made me change my mind. 1) she quickly hid her emotions and tried to smooth things over by saying I can consider it a tip and if I don't have a good time, I can deduct it from our agreed compensation 2) I had already paid her Saida fee so not sure if I can change my mind (I learn now to pay the bill before Saida fee) 3) I had already settled my bill so not sure if I can open a new one and go back in the club (upon reflection, I am sure I can) 4) I am an optimist at heart and gave her the benefit of the doubt 5) I wanted to see her dance the stripper pole at Lush Hotel.
Off we went to Lush. She was detached on the ride over. Claimed she was tired. Probably true. But not a good start. Lush sold out the room with stripper pole while we were heading over. So the hits keep on coming! Once we get to the room, she tried me to get a buy her a vibrator and dinner without asking. How did she do that you ask? By just taking a new vibrator from the shelf and putting it on the bed. Insinuating she will use it during our session. And of course taking it home after. I took a look and it was R400 for the vibrator. She just opening the menu and says she is hungry. And whether I was too. As if she was paying! This was the last opportunity I had to cut my losses and kick her out without paying her compensation. And I should have listened to my gut and done so and booted her out with just taxi fare and went back to Scandallo for last call.
As for service, Marina tried to skimp on time and service and just tried to get me off ASAP and leave. A wham bam thank you ma'am session was the last thing I wanted. I didn't book 3 hrs for that! I tried to slow her down and give her guidance, but she always quickly reverted back to the pace she was setting and the shitty service she was giving.
I finally had enough of the BS, I told her she obviously didn't want to be here and she can leave. She tried to debate with me that it's not true and she was providing the service we agreed to. I told her she don't need to worry about me not paying her (that would lead to drama I don't want), but she wasn't going to get everything we agreed on. I deducted her bill / tip and Saida fee from our agreed upon compensation for her time and she simply gave me a thumbs up in agreement and left.
So my ONE and ONLY time in Brazil that I kicked a girl out of my bed was a rotten apple from Scandallo! Still a good batting average as that is probably out of 150+ Brazilian women I've had in Sampa and Rio and 70+ of them from Scandallo!
ISG Bros:
I had a great time hanging with a bunch of ISG bros, two of whom I met up with on multiple trips previously in SP. I actually arranged the dates of this trip to hang with them. Our group of 3 eventually grew to as much as 7, when we did an ISG Bros takeover of DOM restaurante! It was amazing hanging with so many like minded guys. I won't name names to keep things discreet, but you guys know who you are. It was a pleasure hanging out with each and every one of you. I hope to hang with you guys again in the future.
High end clinicas:
I am very surprised I've not sampled any high end clinica until now. I wanted to try them out during my first few trips, but had such an amazing time with regular clinicas that I didn't think it would be worth it, especially when I had to use an iPad for presentation and the prices almost reached Scandallo levels. I finally did at the urging and recommendations of a few ISG bros. I went to Lotus Lounge with an ISG bro as wingman and had a good time. I would definitely repeat. Cost:. 350 to house, 330 to girl, total R680.
Do I think it's worth 2 to 2. 5 x the cost of a Moema clinica? Yes, if you like what I like. The room, ambiance, showers, amenities are 3-4 x better than Moema clinicas. Basically comparable to s high end spa / 4 star hotel. The girls are also on average better looking and more of them speak English when compared to a regular clinica girl. All of those traits I prioritize and place value on. They also offer happy hour and loyalty discounts!
Lotus Club:
I had hope to give this boate another chance, as the last time I went, the place was dead. But really nicely furnished. However, before I went there after dinner, a couple of friends were there already and said now the club is now full of mostly ugly and old civilians, with a sprinkling of hotties. There were also some stickers for swingers like (yes / no, available,/ not available, etc.) on some of their clothes. I guess the club pivoted to a civilian, semi swing club after not succeeding as an alternative to Cafe Photo / Scandallo.
Cafe Photo:
Went there with some ISG bros and we left after 30 min and headed to Scandallo. It was a bad omen when I saw two good looking girls leaving when we arrived. They probably went to Scandallo or a working girl party pickup spot like Bagatelle. After the previous 2 nights at Scandallo, it was like going from the Yankees to single A ball. For non baseball fans. It's like going from listening to Adele to listening to your kid's elementary school recital. The admission is now all consumption R350. They did tack on a 15% tip gratuity without saying anything. When I asked why it was higher then 350, they said it was a 15% service charge for the waiters and it was voluntary and they would remove it if we wanted. We said keep it, but still found it shady and forced. I've told myself before, so I hope to keep telling myself, but I am done with this place.
I did found the service to be a tad above Scandallo. But with the client to waiter ratio almost 1:2. It does feel a bit awkward. Like you have too many watchful servants. The way they brought over glasses with lime or berries in ice for our bottle of gin was nicely done.
Casarao:
I finally crossed it off my bucket list. And I will return. Shocked I never went there before this trip as I stay in the area so often (Renaissance, Tivoli, intercontinental, Fasano, Rosewood, etc.). I think the reasons were 1) thought it was more for locals and my lack of Porto would be a huge impediment 2) I presumed it was an inferior Bomboa. 3). The last time I wanted to go, . My friends said. They just went a few days ago and it was meh!
So after finishing a dinner date and catching the end of the Bucs game, I got bored and couldn't sleep. I hit up a wingman to go check it out on a Sunday at midnight. It was one of few clubs open, and as I just finished with a girl, I figure I would just go to look.
It's definitely self service, when Scandallo is full service! No glasses with ice. Nicely wrapped with a napkin here with your coke or red bull. There is a big garbage can for you to throw out your own garbage! A bit of a dive bar vibe, but better layout than Bomboa. It was decent on Sunday. More hopping than Cafe Photo on a Saturday! Was told it can be packed during the weekdays. Saw a girl from Scandallo there that I had thought about taking when she was at Scandallo a couple of nights ago. Quickly negotiated a takeout back to my hotel. Had such a good time, I extended our time twice, and at a fraction of Scandallo prices! My wingman scored a good deal on a pernoite as well and his girl fucked his brains out not once. Not twice, but 3 times before she left him famished when we met up for lunch! She might have tried to kill him and went in for #4 if not for his lunch date with me and a friend![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2744131]Just curious, does the. O. M. Still offer two tasting menus?
I found the larger tasting menu was too much for me. I noticed most the locals were ordering the smaller tasting menu and it seemed to be plenty of food.[/QUOTE]Unless it is an older menu / dining concept, DOM only have 1 regular tasting menu and 1 vegetarian tasting menu. It was never large and small (less courses) during my 5-6 visits in the previous 18 months.
[QUOTE=SocratesNY;2744476]Unless it is an older menu / dining concept, DOM only have 1 regular tasting menu and 1 vegetarian tasting menu. It was never large and small (less courses) during my 5-6 visits in the previous 18 months.[/QUOTE]The reviews indicated there were two different menus a few years ago so they changed.
I went for lunch hoping to get something quick and different. But was told lunch and dinner are the same and the vegetarian option. I walked in at 12 PM without appointment and was the only customer for a short while. By the time I finished, there were about 5 tables total. I think they will attract more people on lunch break if they have smaller menu but the seating does not seem to work for larger volume and may eat into their profit otherwise.
[QUOTE=Affyf17;2744335]Hi ISGers, I feel obliged to contribute after reading so many of your valuable reports. Thank you to everyone who contributed, it has helped me tremendously in my first trip to SP!...[/QUOTE]Excellent report! It looks like you are well prepared.
Pay in advance is often bad. I had a bad one in SP from a well known site and I didn't even go to the sex part. I just wrote it off reported on gpguia.
I had several twitter sessions. I didn't go for the well known ones and none of them match the pictures but most sessions were good. In most my encounters, they all seem to be supported by a business operation because the setup were professional, frequently spacious one bedroom in the nicer area, towels and everything cleanly wrapped. I caught this picture with the girl I just sessioned with going out with a man while waiting for Uber.
You are a good negotiator. I am very impressed. 400 is a record! I have never thought about going below 500. lol. I think I know the girl you talked about. Spoke a little English. She is a regular there. I know someone got her down to pretty low but not as low as you reported if it's indeed the same girl.
[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2744351]
Inflation 2: Scandallo girly prices: Last year all the girls were happy with 500 br to 600 br. In April / May 2022 I noticed a two-tier system had evolved in Scandallo. Tier 1 girls or model quality girls were asking anywhere from 1000 br to 2000 br and Tier 2 girls or pretty girl next door types were asking under 1000 br. And I found this simple formula usually settled the issue: take the girls asking price divide by 2 and add 200 br. Every girl accepted my counter using this formula. Examples: 2000 br Tier 1 always accepted 1200 br and a 900 br Tier 2 always accepted 650 to 700 br. I am talking ST. LT is different, but I never do LT until a girl and I have some history together. Interestingly this 2-tier system does not exist at Bomboa where all the girls seem happy with 700 br or a little less.[/QUOTE]Interesting observations. I noticed similar trends. An uptick early this year and the hotter girls asking for more.
From my personal experiences, tier 1 girls generally settle for 800 to 1000 and tier 2 girls settle for 500 to 800 for ST / HR). The funny thing is that the few girls who won't take 1000 for ST / HR (usually insist on at least 1200 to 1500 for ST / HR) and thus consider themselves Tier 1 or upper Tier 1, I only consider them to be tier 2 level. So it was easy for me to walk away. Just goes to show different strokes for different folks and everyone has a different sense of beauty.
It seems most of the girls also consider LT differently than I do. Most of the girls see no difference between 2-3 hrs at my hotel vs. A pernoite until the morning. They just charged the same for leaving the club "Saida", whether it's for a few hours or an overnight until the morning.
For LT, I've found most tier 1 girls will open at 2000 to 3000 and accept a 1200 to 1500 counter right away, especially if they know you are not a newbie as 1) know the general pricing of the club and 2) is a potential repeat client. The tier 2 girls I've found will take 800 to 1200 for a pernoite.
As with the ST examples, a few won't budge and want at least 2 to 3 k for a pernoite. With one only going from 4500 down to 4000. Almost all of those girls, I don't even consider Tier 1 caliber so I just moved on.
The above also just goes to show that everyome have different tastes. I am glad that is the case or we would all be fighting for the same girls!
Most Asians seem to gravitate towards lighter skinned, cute and innocent gazelles. White Gringos are usually more varied. Locals Brazilians usually tanned, tall, slutty with big Ts and As. That's based on both my observations of which girls are sitting with which clients. And also what girls I spent time with tells me.
The last girl I spent time with on my most recent trip was a young, lightly tanned cute and pretty petite English speaking Brazilian girl with amazing natural the's. Perfect for "Russian"! Those large natural breasts on such a small and thin frame makes her stand out and is an unicorn in my eyes. She tells me few local guys go for her, but white Gringos and Asians (both locals and visitors) make up 80%+ of her client base.
I know I don't haggle too aggressively, as I don't want to go too low and potentially impact service levels. I just pay what I am comfortable paying, even if it might be on the higher end of what locals and others tell me are the prevalent club rates. I also compare what regular / high end clinicas, other boates and online girls charge and make additional adjustments based on that info.
[QUOTE=SocratesNY;2744619]Interesting observations. I noticed similar trends. An uptick early this year and the hotter girls asking for more.
From my personal experiences, tier 1 girls generally settle for 800 to 1000 and tier 2 girls settle for 500 to 800 for ST / HR). The funny thing is that the few girls who won't take 1000 for ST / HR (usually insist on at least 1200 to 1500 for ST / HR) and thus consider themselves Tier 1 or upper Tier 1, I only consider them to be tier 2 level. So it was easy for me to walk away. Just goes to show different strokes for different folks and everyone has a different sense of beauty.
It seems most of the girls also consider LT differently than I do. Most of the girls see no difference between 2-3 hrs at my hotel vs. A pernoite until the morning. They just charged the same for leaving the club "Saida", whether it's for a few hours or an overnight until the morning.
For LT, I've found most tier 1 girls will open at 2000 to 3000 and accept a 1200 to 1500 counter right away, especially if they know you are not a newbie as 1) know the general pricing of the club and 2) is a potential repeat client. The tier 2 girls I've found will take 800 to 1200 for a pernoite.
As with the ST examples, a few won't budge and want at least 2 to 3 k for a pernoite. With one only going from 4500 down to 4000. Almost all of those girls, I don't even consider Tier 1 caliber so I just moved on.
The above also just goes to show that everyome have different tastes. I am glad that is the case or we would all be fighting for the same girls!
Most Asians seem to gravitate towards lighter skinned, cute and innocent gazelles. White Gringos are usually more varied. Locals Brazilians usually tanned, tall, slutty with big Ts and As. That's based on both my observations of which girls are sitting with which clients. And also what girls I spent time with tells me.
The last girl I spent time with on my most recent trip was a young, lightly tanned cute and pretty petite English speaking Brazilian girl with amazing natural the's. Perfect for "Russian"! Those large natural breasts on such a small and thin frame makes her stand out and is an unicorn in my eyes. She tells me few local guys go for her, but white Gringos and Asians (both locals and visitors) make up 80%+ of her client base.
I know I don't haggle too aggressively, as I don't want to go too low and potentially impact service levels. I just pay what I am comfortable paying, even if it might be on the higher end of what locals and others tell me are the prevalent club rates. I also compare what regular / high end clinicas, other boates and online girls charge and make additional adjustments based on that info.[/QUOTE]Inflation for the girls also, it now cost them 300 R to enter if they don't go 5 days a week. So between uber and their cost to go to work it could easily cost them 500 that night and they have no choice but to bump up their prices as well.
Quality control is why they bumping the price for girls to enter, this way they ensure the girls don't freelance and come to work 5 days a week and the weed out lower tier girls. Girls that can't commit to going will end up going to other boates where they have less restrictions or high fees to enter.
This gives them even more reason to prefer to talk to gringos since they know the guy is there to fuck and spend money.
Would you pay more for a Brazilian girl than one in the US with same quality?
[QUOTE=Fewdie;2744961]Would you pay more for a Brazilian girl than one in the US with same quality?[/QUOTE]My answer is no in general. The problem is how do we agree on what is the same quality? Last year I posted this same picture, and there was at least one member saying one can find 20 - 30% of girls in Scandallo that look like her. But I saw absolutely none the time I was there up to this day. That just show how each one of us see beauty differently. LOL.
It's like some unique luxury rental properties that cost a fraction of the price of US properties but can command high rental price similar to US properties. It is because it's uniqueness and in limited supply and they are only targeted to certain type of customers. These properties will be in demand as long as there are sufficient quaintly of customers even if it is small so it does not matter what general public think.
[QUOTE=SocratesNY;2744619]..I know I don't haggle too aggressively, as I don't want to go too low and potentially impact service levels..[/QUOTE]I think one can still weed out the bad ones in the club. There are other factors that influence service. It is not obvious in this forum but it is more obvious in Medellin forum where members will discuss preparation like food, drinks, music, popcorn. Personally I just gave in because the girls were hot.
What is missing in this post is that if it is someone else who does not last long, that person can ask for two pops as he said she promised the world.
[QUOTE]
6) Scandallo. ... Did get a price though. She opened with 1000, I got her down to 400, which she accepted. She promised the world, including anal. I know this is apparently a great deal at Scandallo these days, but LOL, nope. She probably thinks I am a 10-min guy with her thing for Asians (I can easily go a full hour) ...[/QUOTE]I think two tier pricing has always existed as long as the club does not regulate it. Last year, I was paying 500 but some members were posting much higher prices. I think the current pricing just added a layer of dishonesty. A girl I went with for 500 last year now wants 1000 but went down to 500 automatically and the exchange last year was at 5. 3. Basically I guess all regulars that I know like Bianca can be had at old price that is 50% off. The less attractive ones are more honest and start with 500.
I have the most sessions with Scandallo girls but the best sessions I have are at Tangara. That is by far the best place for me and ironically it is the least expensive. The place is a little rundown. What make me go back are the number of girls they have and the new girls they have are just unmatched by any clincas. The best BBBJs, the best camel slides all are from Tangra. I still remember the girl teasing me repeatedly while doing came slide, do you want condom? do you want condom?; I kept answering NO NO NO. LOL. Just to add more context, I went to Prime almost every week but I left empty handed most of the times and always ended up in Miruna.
[QUOTE=Fewdie;2744961]Would you pay more for a Brazilian girl than one in the US with same quality?[/QUOTE]Quality like appearance or performance? When I'm in the US I only look for Brazilian girls LOL. But they usually charge at least 400 usd a hour, for 2000 R I get over 24 hrs in Brazil.
Many of us monger outside of the US not because of the price but instead not to shit in our own backyard.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2744990]My answer is no in general. The problem is how do we agree on what is the same quality? Last year I posted this same picture, and there was at least one member saying one can find 20 - 30% of girls in Scandallo that look like her. But I saw absolutely none the time I was there up to this day. That just show how each one of us see beauty differently. LOL.
It's like some unique luxury rental properties that cost a fraction of the price of US properties but can command high rental price similar to US properties. It is because it's uniqueness and in limited supply and they are only targeted to certain type of customers. These properties will be in demand as long as there are sufficient quaintly of customers even if it is small so it does not matter what general public think.[/QUOTE]I know this girl a little bit. KKK. Her stage name is Louise Nowak. I saw her add on Club Model in April 2022 when I was last in SP. IMHO she was one of the best lookers on that website, so I texted her. She responded quickly and seemed friendly. As our conversation continued, she sent me a zip file with 75 pics and videos of herself, and after a while we got down to business. She wanted 1500 BR which included a 500 br advance payment. In the friendliest way possible I told her I thought 1500 br was a tad high and asked if she would come down in price a little. I also told her I wouldn't send any money in advance. She took my words graciously, but she would not lower her terms or ask, so we ended the conversation on a "maybe we can get together some other time" friendly note. I mean there is no reason to be negative or insulting just because a girl and I can't come to terms. I still wanted her.
Anyway, the next day she texted me and asked if still I wanted to see her. I said I did, but I told her 1500 br was too high and this time I offered her 900 br, but sadly, she was still hung up on the 1500 BR which I wouldn't agree too. There was no mention of the 500 BR down payment. So, we left it at that although during our conversations I had told her I was an American who frequently flew down to SP on business and that if she ever changed her mind, she should call me, and we could have a good time together. I stayed in SP for 6 weeks that trip, but I never heard back from her again. Oh well, but I don't really care. I would not say that there are a ton of Scandallo girls (20% to 30%) as sexy as Louise Nowak, but there are number of high-quality lookers there (5 to 15) on any given night that can match her on looks plus talking and flirting with a super attractive Tier 1 girl in the bar is a far better way to find something good than arranging something blind over the internet. Sorry Louise, but it is true.
Here are a few more pics of Louise, the girl that got away. KKK.
[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2745140]I know this girl a little bit. KKK. Her stage name is Louise Nowak. I saw her add on Club Model in April 2022 when I was last in SP. IMHO she was one of the best lookers on that website, so I texted her. She responded quickly and seemed friendly. As our conversation continued, she sent me a zip file with 75 pics and videos of herself, and after a while we got down to business. She wanted 1500 BR which included a 500 br advance payment. In the friendliest way possible I told her I thought 1500 br was a tad high and asked if she would come down in price a little. I also told her I wouldn't send any money in advance. She took my words graciously, but she would not lower her terms or ask, so we ended the conversation on a "maybe we can get together some other time" friendly note. I mean there is no reason to be negative or insulting just because a girl and I can't come to terms. I still wanted her.
Anyway, the next day she texted me and asked if still I wanted to see her. I said I did, but I told her 1500 br was too high and this time I offered her 900 br, but sadly, she was still hung up on the 1500 BR which I wouldn't agree too. There was no mention of the 500 BR down payment. So, we left it at that although during our conversations I had told her I was an American who frequently flew down to SP on business and that if she ever changed her mind, she should call me, and we could have a good time together. I stayed in SP for 6 weeks that trip, but I never heard back from her again. Oh well, but I don't really care. I would not say that there are a ton of Scandallo girls (20% to 30%) as sexy as Louise Nowak, but there are number of high-quality lookers there (5 to 15) on any given night that can match her on looks plus talking and flirting with a super attractive Tier 1 girl in the bar is a far better way to find something good than arranging something blind over the internet. Sorry Louise, but it is true.
Here are a few more pics of Louise, the girl that got away. KKK.[/QUOTE]She's hot I wouldve just paid without the advance of course, as you said not many that look like her.
[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2745140]Here are a few more pics of Louise, the girl that got away. KKK.[/QUOTE]Attractive, Oh well, in SP there are plenty the same if not better looking. Just got to find them or right place right time.
I notice in all of the photos in this forum of her that her makeup plays a big difference in her looks. Some girls look totally different with it while some girl looks better without it. The only way to find out is push her in a swimming pool and see if she comes out hot as before (jk). I personally prefer people without makeup.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2744990]My answer is no in general. The problem is how do we agree on what is the same quality? Last year I posted this same picture, and there was at least one member saying one can find 20 - 30% of girls in Scandallo that look like her. But I saw absolutely none the time I was there up to this day. That just show how each one of us see beauty differently. LOL.
It's like some unique luxury rental properties that cost a fraction of the price of US properties but can command high rental price similar to US properties. It is because it's uniqueness and in limited supply and they are only targeted to certain type of customers. These properties will be in demand as long as there are sufficient quaintly of customers even if it is small so it does not matter what general public think.[/QUOTE]
After the first night, we woke up too late for the hotel breakfast and instead had a good session before she left to get more clothes and take care of some personal stuff. She called her own Uber, took approx 3 hours to get stuff done and she came back. Never once asked for the Uber fares. She had told me that she might have to leave Friday evening for a few hours for some school stuff but she needed up rescheduling so I wouldn't miss the time with her.
We spent the weekend eating, drinking, walking around the hotel area, and headed to Mercado Municipal where she tried her first lobster and some exotic fruits. She is from Bahia originally so she like to eat spicy and likes to experiment with new tastes which definitely knocks her up a few points in my book. Most girls don't even want to try anything different.
Friday night was probably the best sexual session we had. After eating dinner at a new restaurant I found, we went to a gin and tonic bar to have a few drinks and talk. It was cool spot and after a few drinks, she looks at me and tells me she wants to fuck. So. Off we go back to the hotel.
In the room, both of us shower and she takes a bit longer than normal. Gets into bed and we go DATY, BBBJ and BBFS. Since I came that morning, it was taking me longer than usual. So she then decided to roll over to her belly and tells me to get to top of her and fuck her that way. This time she guides me in. Straight into her ass. She turns around and asks if I like anal. I was like FUCK YES. She says that is why she took so long in the shower. To clean herself properly and now that she was fully relaxed, she was ready. That got me excited and was banging her ass and she totally enjoyed till she came and then I pulled out a few seconds later.
Saturday and Sunday pass without any issues with her. She just loved getting fucked in the pussy and the ass. She also kept her word. Anytime I was hard, she would deal with it.
Sunday evening she left around 730 pm, paid her our negotiated price for the weekend and she called her own Uber and didn't ask for the cost. In fact, she never asked about her money. We made our deal and that was it. Nothing upfront and she didn’t even check to see if I had the cash. I paid her in the end and she put it her purse and said thanks. I told her to count it but she said that she trusts me and I don’t come across like a person who would rip people off. This has had to be the best version of IOP I have ever had in Brazil. This girl checked all the boxes for me and made sure she did her job properly and with all the gusto. Never said no to anything and just enjoyed her weekend. We talked about getting a threesome with her and my girl from Recife so let's see how that might play out. She is ok with interchanging as long as everyone has been tested. Hopefully, I might be able to schedule it for April.
New food places I tried:
Leggera Pizza Napoletana ranked #83 out of the top 100 pizza places in the world. Really good. If you like pizza, you will like their pizza.
Restaurante Il Pescatore Mediterrneo their shrimp risotto was awesome and their oysters were super fresh.
Pastel Kyoto on Avenida Paulista near the Renaissance a pretty good fresh cooked pastel. L with fresh sugarcane juice.
Casa de Ostras Mercado Municipal freshly shucked oysters and they cook anything you buy from the seafood sellers. She got to try the lobster which she liked but for me it was nothing amazing. I have had better but I think it was just the place. They were too busy and they really don't have the space to take time to do it right.
G&T Gin Bar specializing in a variety of gin and tonics. Pretty cool place to chill and hangout. Not too loud so you can talk.
Well. That does it for me this year. Next trip to Brazil will be in April since American Airlines changed their status qualification timeline.
Here's the review site [URL]forumcutuca.com[/URL] for Prime, Miruna, Enjoy, etc. The owner of these clinicas moved all the info there if you want to read it.
Creating account on it is a ***** thou, because the forum banned gmail, hotmail, yahoo. Basically all the free emails account that I know of, but you can read it without having to sign up.
Local Brazilian men hate rich foreigners hacking into their good times with their well trained hoars!
[QUOTE=FlowState985;2745565]Here's the review site [URL]forumcutuca.com[/URL] for Prime, Miruna, Enjoy, etc. The owner of these clinicas moved all the info there if you want to read it.
Creating account on it is a ***** thou, because the forum banned gmail, hotmail, yahoo. Basically all the free emails account that I know of, but you can read it without having to sign up.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Anaggie;2745535]In the room, both of us shower and she takes a bit longer than normal. Gets into bed and we go DATY, BBBJ and BBFS. Since I came that morning, it was taking me longer than usual. So she then decided to roll over to her belly and tells me to get to top of her and fuck her that way. This time she guides me in. Straight into her ass. She turns around and asks if I like anal. I was like FUCK YES. [b]She says that is why she took so long in the shower. To clean herself properly and now that she was fully relaxed, she was ready.[/b] That got me excited and was banging her ass and she totally enjoyed till she came and then I pulled out a few seconds later.
New food places I tried:
Leggera Pizza Napoletana ranked #83 out of the top 100 pizza places in the world. Really good. If you like pizza, you will like their pizza.
Restaurante Il Pescatore Mediterrneo their shrimp risotto was awesome and their oysters were super fresh.
Pastel Kyoto on Avenida Paulista near the Renaissance a pretty good fresh cooked pastel. L with fresh sugarcane juice.
Casa de Ostras Mercado Municipal freshly shucked oysters and they cook anything you buy from the seafood sellers. She got to try the lobster which she liked but for me it was nothing amazing. I have had better but I think it was just the place. They were too busy and they really don't have the space to take time to do it right.
G&T Gin Bar specializing in a variety of gin and tonics. Pretty cool place to chill and hangout. Not too loud so you can talk.
Well. That does it for me this year. Next trip to Brazil will be in April since American Airlines changed their status qualification timeline.[/QUOTE]Good story / post. Looks like you had a great time. Also thanks for the Food / Restaurant recommendations.
If the dollar falls to 2-3 R /1 USD. Would you still do 2000 R for 24 hours?
[QUOTE=Hobbying;2745081]Quality like appearance or performance? When I'm in the US I only look for Brazilian girls LOL. But they usually charge at least 400 usd a hour, for 2000 R I get over 24 hrs in Brazil.
Many of us monger outside of the US not because of the price but instead not to shit in our own backyard.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Fewdie;2745355]I notice in all of the photos in this forum of her that her makeup plays a big difference in her looks. Some girls look totally different with it while some girl looks better without it. The only way to find out is push her in a swimming pool and see if she comes out hot as before (jk). I personally prefer people without makeup.[/QUOTE]Yea, she started with the glam pictures, then added others later. What I am trying to show is each one of us has different preference, the member saying 20% of Scandallo look like her is correct, but I say none is also correct. The picture always help to show the poster's point of view.
[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2745140].... She wanted 1500 BR which included a 500 br advance payment. ...
... I offered her 900 br, but sadly, she was still hung up on the 1500 BR which I wouldn't agree too. ....[/QUOTE]You should have taken it because her rate has increased substantially now. lol. I made a similar offer and was not accepted.
This is where my analogy of luxury rental comes in. If more girls like her can be found, her price will not be sustainable because mongers will just go to others. So the only reason I know that can explain it is that she is rare to the eyes of her paying customers so she can not only sustain the price but also increase it. One needs pix to pay the deposit so I guess most of her customers are locals.
[QUOTE=Fewdie;2745844]If the dollar falls to 2-3 R /1 USD. Would you still do 2000 R for 24 hours?[/QUOTE]I posted the same question a few months back. Luckily I have a BR bank account to save up while the rates are still good. As the world heads into a recession and BR has two presidential candidates that have no spending limit cap, I'm calling 6:1 next year.
Also as part of my strategy, a girl that I spends days with agreed to peg the dollar to her donation amount LOL. We all have our spending limits so it would depend on my financial situation if it hits 2:1 but I was in BR when it was 1. 5:1 and the girls were asking 1000 R for the night and that would be my max.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2745978]Yea, she started with the glam pictures, then added others later. What I am trying to show is each one of us has different preference, the member saying 20% of Scandallo look like her is correct, but I say none is also correct. The picture always help to show the poster's point of view.
You should have taken it because her rate has increased substantially now. lol. I made a similar offer and was not accepted.
This is where my analogy of luxury rental comes in. If more girls like her can be found, her price will not be sustainable because mongers will just go to others. So the only reason I know that can explain it is that she is rare to the eyes of her paying customers so she can not only sustain the price but also increase it. One needs pix to pay the deposit so I guess most of her customers are locals.[/QUOTE]Luiza Nowak has been discussed here before. Incredible looks, very high price and an enigma. There doesn't seem to be any first hand accounts of her service.
While she might be such a high level escort that her clients don't discuss her on the net, it's odd for an escort that has been advertising on prominent websites for an extended period to not have several "test drives" as the locals call a session.
[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2746210]Luiza Nowak has been discussed here before. Incredible looks, very high price and an enigma. There doesn't seem to be any first hand accounts of her service.....[/QUOTE]She started as Isabelle Drummond. There was a discussion about her in gpguia.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2746311]She started as Isabelle Drummond. There was a discussion about her in gpguia.[/QUOTE]I know she had escorted under that name. Name changes are generally not a good sign.
[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2746518]I know she had escorted under that name. Name changes are generally not a good sign.[/QUOTE]If I were her, having said what she said in the heat of the moment on GPGuia that would potentially insult her current or potential customers, I would change my name too so google search won't find it.
She needs to get fisted by the negras in Casa 14 at Vila Mimosa!
[QUOTE=Nounce;2746311]She started as Isabelle Drummond. There was a discussion about her in gpguia.[/QUOTE]
300 RS.
[URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/acompanhantes/campinas/loira-linda-que-ama-beijo-na-boca-e-sexo-oral-id-ur4zf[/URL]
[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2745140]I know this girl a little bit. KKK. Her stage name is Louise Nowak. I saw her add on Club Model in April 2022 when I was last in SP. IMHO she was one of the best lookers on that website, so I texted her. She responded quickly and seemed friendly. As our conversation continued, she sent me a zip file with 75 pics and videos of herself, and after a while we got down to business. She wanted 1500 BR which included a 500 br advance payment. In the friendliest way possible I told her I thought 1500 br was a tad high and asked if she would come down in price a little. I also told her I wouldn't send any money in advance. She took my words graciously, but she would not lower her terms or ask, so we ended the conversation on a "maybe we can get together some other time" friendly note. I mean there is no reason to be negative or insulting just because a girl and I can't come to terms. I still wanted her.
Anyway, the next day she texted me and asked if still I wanted to see her..[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Haokool;2746849]300 RS.
[URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/acompanhantes/campinas/loira-linda-que-ama-beijo-na-boca-e-sexo-oral-id-ur4zf[/URL][/QUOTE]This is not the same girl (Louise Nowak), not even close, but if you dig her give her a try and let us know how you made out.
50% upfront fee of 1500? LOL. You will never ever get that 750 reais back once you hit send. This is the fastest way to scam people and the person who you're talking with on the other end is a dude. This type of fraud is everywhere including on the Brazilian ebay (Mercadolivre).
[QUOTE=Nounce;2746311]She started as Isabelle Drummond. There was a discussion about her in gpguia.[/QUOTE]
First time traveler to SP here. This forum has provided some great advice, but a one questions I have for the more tenured ISGs who don't speak Portuguese. Do you typically communicate / negotiate in English over WhatsApp for clinicas and PAs, or do you use google translate? Any negotiation tips are welcome as well. Feel free to DM me any advice you may have for a newbie. I'll be in SP mid-October if anyone wants to meet-up.
First time I sessioned a girl here and it was a bad one, just got back to the hotel and writing about this. So I saw a girl I like name Jasmine, tall about 5. 8 morena. She starts the shift probably around 6 PM and go into probably 2 AM. I asked her what's her rate, she quoted R1000 so I countered 800 if we go up to the room now, she agreed. Everything was friendly and GFE in the room. BBBJ with eye starring at me. Things were going pretty well I thought, then she had to run into the bathroom to pee at 40 minute mark.
When she came out, she told me in order to continue the full hour, I need to give her additional R200. We argued back and forth through translator, that is not what we agreed upon downstair. I told her she quoted R1000 and I countered R800 and she agreed to that. She said R800 was not for the full hour. After about 5 minute of back and forth, she said it is fine we can continue for the full hour at R800, but at this point, I lost the boner, mood, and interest in her to continue. I told her let's just ended here. I paid her what agreed which is R800.
I guess from now on I got to make sure, when they quoted an hour is to make sure they stay a full hour and everything got to agreed upon. Oh and you track your own hour in the room, if you go over the hour, it is prorated.
[QUOTE=Piggy5891;2747868]First time traveler to SP here. This forum has provided some great advice, but a one questions I have for the more tenured ISGs who don't speak Portuguese. Do you typically communicate / negotiate in English over WhatsApp for clinicas and PAs, or do you use google translate? Any negotiation tips are welcome as well. Feel free to DM me any advice you may have for a newbie. I'll be in SP mid-October if anyone wants to meet-up.[/QUOTE]Google Translate. You don't really negotiate at clincas, at least for me I have not tried to pay more to get what I want, but you can talk to the girl to make sure she would provide the service you need using Google Translate.
Hi. I've been to Sao Paulo a few times and quite familiar with the escort website (clubmodel, splove etc), and I find them a little difficult because I prefer girls speak some English (I know this is very hard to find), but the girls on these sites mostly speak zero English apart from one or two and I find that the pictures are also very misleading. If I go on these sites, I probably find 3-4 girls who I want to book and then I find that they are never available when you need to see them or they string you along a bit and seem to be playing games trying to find the job that's best for them. So I end up spending all night trying to find someone on those sites and come up empty.
I like quality and don't mind paying so 1500,2000, 2500 is actually no problem if I'm getting someone good and worth the price. So looking for other options. Can anyone tell me price at Scandalo / Cafe Foto? I think it might be worth a look if only to have a few drinks and a look out of interest. Are these still the two high end places in SP?
Also, I've been told by a girl that works (and who is very hot, and speaks perfect English, very high end girl), that has an agent. She would be a level above the girls on the sites, but she said because we'd never met that she couldn't introduce me to the agent (long story how we were in contact). Does anyone know of anything like this in Sao Paulo?
One more thing I'm interested in is freelancers or bars in SP? I'm going to stay at Hotel Unique and I know Skye Bar has them, but is there anywhere else in SP? I've been told of one more but can't remember the name.
Any help appreciated.
[QUOTE=Thayerst;2748211]Hi. I've been to Sao Paulo a few times and quite familiar with the escort website (clubmodel, splove etc), and I find them a little difficult because I prefer girls speak some English (I know this is very hard to find), but the girls on these sites mostly speak zero English apart from one or two and I find that the pictures are also very misleading. If I go on these sites, I probably find 3-4 girls who I want to book and then I find that they are never available when you need to see them or they string you along a bit and seem to be playing games trying to find the job that's best for them. So I end up spending all night trying to find someone on those sites and come up empty.
I like quality and don't mind paying so 1500,2000, 2500 is actually no problem if I'm getting someone good and worth the price. So looking for other options. Can anyone tell me price at Scandalo / Cafe Foto? I think it might be worth a look if only to have a few drinks and a look out of interest. Are these still the two high end places? .[/QUOTE]
I have tried a few of the girls from the website and in the end, it just seemed to be more work than it was worth. I prefer going to Scandello and trying to find someone for the weekend. This way I get to scope out all the girls, talk to a few of them and settle on one or two that I connect with and vice versa. At the price level you are quoting, you will definitely find something to your liking at Scandello. The last few times I have been to Scandello have worked out fine for me so I usually don't need to try out other venues or options.
[QUOTE=FlowState985;2748061]
I guess from now on I got to make sure, when they quoted an hour is to make sure they stay a full hour and everything got to agreed upon. Oh and you track your own hour in the room, if you go over the hour, it is prorated.[/QUOTE]Negotiations work only if the girl is not a scammer. Otherwise, it doesn't matter what you negotiate upfront, she will show her true colors in the room and makes sure you have a shitty session. It is impossible to negotiate every tiny detail, so a scammer can take advantage of that and complain about lots of things inside the room and get away with it. My advice is to pick a good girl next time. Just kidding. I wish it is that easy. I try to learn from my mistakes and avoid repeating them, but it is difficult to avoid these situations completely.
[QUOTE=Lalabo;2748233]Negotiations work only if the girl is not a scammer. Otherwise, it doesn't matter what you negotiate upfront, she will show her true colors in the room and makes sure you have a shitty session. It is impossible to negotiate every tiny detail, so a scammer can take advantage of that and complain about lots of things inside the room and get away with it. My advice is to pick a good girl next time. Just kidding. I wish it is that easy. I try to learn from my mistakes and avoid repeating them, but it is difficult to avoid these situations completely.[/QUOTE]Yeh, I guess it comes with trial, error, and time. I am not well versed with looking out for scammers and sharks, which probably main reason I don't prefer to session at boates. Atleast in Rio Termas, everything is fixed. Live and learn I guess.
[QUOTE=FlowState985;2743393]
Here's what I notice, I did buy a girl there a drink and she asked for my card to give to bartender, the bartender gave back my card plus a red card and she kept that red one. I assumed it is for her kickback with the place. I drank 3-4 beer plus her drink with was a mixed type of gin drink, and the total bill came out to be R174.[/QUOTE]I leaned about the lady drinks schema in Casarao during my trip in May. I saw this pretty young girl (18 yo) walk into the club with couple of her friends, went and spoke to her. Her friends aske me to buy her a drink because she is thirsty, not a good sign but I bought her a drink anyway. She got her cut exactly like you mentioned. I think those drinks are about 150 are each. In my personal experience, most of the girls who asked for a drink within few moments of talking to them usually not good in the room. Of course there are exceptions, luckily she turned out to be one of them.
A girl could make good money without going to room by just hitting men for drinks. I don't think that is a good incentive.
[QUOTE=FlowState985;2748257]Yeh, I guess it comes with trial, error, and time. I am not well versed with looking out for scammers and sharks, which probably main reason I don't prefer to session at boates. Atleast in Rio Termas, everything is fixed. Live and learn I guess.[/QUOTE]I am also enjoying Rio termas more a more. Other than couple of duds, all of my session in Solarium and 4 x4 were really good.
Same goes in the US at strip clubs. Bartenders will make a non alcoholic drink like. Ice water and juice or add some color in it and make it look like an alcoholic drink while charging the clients the real price of an alcoholic drink. Never buy any girl a drink or eat at these venues. Some girls would just walk around with the drink and dump it out in the bathroom or hands it to another girl as Ive seen it with my own eyes.
[QUOTE=Lalabo;2748280]I leaned about the lady drinks schema in Casarao during my trip in May. I saw this pretty young girl (18 yo) walk into the club with couple of her friends, went and spoke to her. Her friends aske me to buy her a drink because she is thirsty, not a good sign but I bought her a drink anyway. She got her cut exactly like you mentioned. I think those drinks are about 150 are each. In my personal experience, most of the girls who asked for a drink within few moments of talking to them usually not good in the room. Of course there are exceptions, luckily she turned out to be one of them.
A girl could make good money without going to room by just hitting men for drinks. I don't think that is a good incentive.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=FlowState985;2748257]Yeh, I guess it comes with trial, error, and time. I am not well versed with looking out for scammers and sharks, which probably main reason I don't prefer to session at boates. Atleast in Rio Termas, everything is fixed. Live and learn I guess.[/QUOTE]I think it's just bad luck and it's more costly. I like Termas too but the quantity is much smaller and not as consistent as boates.
[QUOTE=Lalabo;2748280]I leaned about the lady drinks schema in Casarao during my trip in May. I saw this pretty young girl (18 yo) walk into the club with couple of her friends, went and spoke to her. Her friends aske me to buy her a drink because she is thirsty, not a good sign but I bought her a drink anyway. She got her cut exactly like you mentioned. I think those drinks are about 150 are each. In my personal experience, most of the girls who asked for a drink within few moments of talking to them usually not good in the room. Of course there are exceptions, luckily she turned out to be one of them.
A girl could make good money without going to room by just hitting men for drinks. I don't think that is a good incentive.[/QUOTE]I read GPGuia to not buy drinks but did not realize it is that expensive. I met a 18 yo morena exactly like you described. During negotiation, she lowered her rate by 50 and wanted me to buy her a drink instead when she already had a new drink in her hand. She said the drink was 85 or similar. That confused the hell out of me especially without the help of Google translate.
[QUOTE=Fewdie;2748292]Same goes in the US at strip clubs. Bartenders will make a non alcoholic drink like. Ice water and juice or add some color in it and make it look like an alcoholic drink while charging the clients the real price of an alcoholic drink. [b]Never buy any girl a drink[/b] or eat at these venues. Some girls would just walk around with the drink and dump it out in the bathroom or hands it to another girl as Ive seen it with my own eyes.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Nounce;2748325][b]I read GPGuia to not buy drinks but did not realize it is that expensive[/b]. I met a 18 yo morena exactly like you described. During negotiation, she lowered her rate by 50 and [u]wanted me to buy her a drink instead when she already had a new drink in her hand[/u]. She said the drink was 85 or similar. That confused the hell out of me especially without the help of Google translate.[/QUOTE]
At Scandalo and Casarao (and other clubs / bars) depend on when you arrive you get a consumable from the entrance fee. The entrance fee (includes the consumable portion) therefore "sunk cost". I try not to give the "House" anymore that the consumable amount (I. E. , out of pocket costs) but that is just me. So if I was so inclined to pay for a drink it's coming from the consumable amount. Yes if you pay for lady drinks from out of pocket funds then yes I would be concerned if it was a scam or not consumed. If you do then make sure you ask the bartender the cost of the drink and if your comfortable with the price then you order the drink personally or decline ordering the drink.
There are pros and cons to buying lady drinks, it could help with the connection / session or piss you off if you feel your being scammed.
Hi ISGers, how are you?
Qatar World Cup 2022 will take place between 20-Nov and 18-Dec, and Brasil is a firm candidate to be the world champion. You may have your favorites, but Brasil is a firm one no doubt.
I had the chance to be in Brasil during two world cups in the last two decades and I can tell that it will have a very high impact in the mood of people. Positive of course. Every time Brasil played, streets of Rio, Sao Paulo and the interior, it was a carnival. And much more when Brasil wins! Games will take place between 7 am and 4 pm Brasilia time according to schedules.
So, if you're planning your trip for those dates, have this in mind. Bars and streets will be a party!
In my case, I will cross Brasil from Brasil Far West to Sao Paulo this time in few flights and bus. Lots of video to roll, and of course, productions with hooties and sweeties, pros and non pros.
Time to have a super cold beer in the Amazon Basin and talk to locals.
This is actually the only thing I don't like about Brazil. Their national soccer team! LOL.
They are like the NY yankees of baseball, New England Patriots of fball. LA lakers of bball. And Scandallo of nightclubs LOL. I was also there during the cups.
[QUOTE=HiddenEye;2748629]Hi ISGers, how are you?
Qatar World Cup 2022 will take place between 20-Nov and 18-Dec, and Brasil is a firm candidate to be the world champion. You may have your favorites, but Brasil is a firm one no doubt.
I had the chance to be in Brasil during two world cups in the last two decades and I can tell that it will have a very high impact in the mood of people. Positive of course. Every time Brasil played, streets of Rio, Sao Paulo and the interior, it was a carnival. And much more when Brasil wins! Games will take place between 7 am and 4 pm Brasilia time according to schedules.
So, if you're planning your trip for those dates, have this in mind. Bars and streets will be a party!
In my case, I will cross Brasil from Brasil Far West to Sao Paulo this time in few flights and bus. Lots of video to roll, and of course, productions with hooties and sweeties, pros and non pros.
Time to have a super cold beer in the Amazon Basin and talk to locals.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Fewdie;2748292] Some girls would just walk around with the drink and dump it out in the bathroom or hands it to another girl as Ive seen it with my own eyes.[/QUOTE]I saw a girl drinking at a small bar table (2 foot circle). But the one center post holding the table was thick and wooden with a bunch of carvings so all bumpy. She took the liquor shot under the table and splashed it on the center post holding the table so you could not see it. She saw me as she did it and I just laughed. Thought it was so funny.
I heard stories where girls would bet the guy buying drinks that they could drink X amount of shots in 30 minutes. But during that time go to the bathroom and vomit the shots out of their system.
Jajajajaja yeah, this 2022 Brasil team is a firm candidate. They were not the last 2 world cups.
It will be very relaxing. If Putin allows of course.
Here two links to clips from guys who have walked in Scandallo before open hours:
Club: [URL]https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMFLjEenk/[/URL] (3 minutes).
Building: [URL]https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMFLjTVnX/[/URL].
There was a third short video also on tiktok with people but I see now it was deleted.
[QUOTE=Fewdie;2748697]This is actually the only thing I don't like about Brazil. Their national soccer team! LOL.
They are like the NY yankees of baseball, New England Patriots of fball. LA lakers of bball. And Scandallo of nightclubs LOL. I was also there during the cups.[/QUOTE]
Hello all, and thanks for this invaluable source of information. I just got a subscription going, but I've been lurking for a while.
I'm going to be in Sao Paulo from October 10 to 15th, then I'm going to Jericoacoara (not for mongering, but Tinder is pretty damn active. I got a few dates aligned there). I may spend another week in Sao Paulo in December when before I leave the country.
I've taken some notes from the various reports here, I'm kinda keen to hit Scandallo but I find it might be overwhelming. I've gotten in touch with some twitter girls mentioned in this thread, I'll see what happens.
I'm struggling to decide which hotel to stay in. I don't have Mariott points, nor do I have the budget to stay in 5 star hotels. Anyone would have a recommendation for a 3-4 star hotel well situated for normal tourism and that will not cause trouble when I invite a lady to my room? I hear Jardins is a pretty cool suburb to stay in. Do you concur?
Anyway, anyone is going to be in SP during that time and fancy catching up? I'm new to Brazil, but not to this hobby, and would enjoy meeting like-minded peeps!
Hi Kalysto,
In the 4-star girl friendly category I recommend Grand Mercure SP Itaim Bibi and the Melia Jardim Europa. Itaim Bibi is just as nice and safe as Jardim with lots of good restaurants and shops. You will be fine staying at either 4-star hotel. Frankly the only major difference I have found between these 2 hotels and a 5 star SP hotel is a show palace lobby and fancy dining room. On my next visit I am staying at the Renaissance, Hyatt, & Intercontinental on points and vouchers, but after I use up all my travel pts, I am moving to the 4 stars and it will not bother me at all.
For a 1st time 5-night visit to SP, I recommend that you focus on the Moema Clinicas for afternoon fun and the Boates for evening diversion. There is nothing to worry about in going to Scandallo or Bombao, my 2 favorite boates. Both of these boates are super friendly and the staff and girls will make sure you have a good time. Both boates have excellent rooms in house, so there is really no reason to take a girl back to your hotel unless you really want to. Most of the time I will stick around Scandallo or Bomboa after my1st tryst, have something to eat at their excellent restaurants, and then begin looking for a 2nd girl to round out the evening. It is a lot a fun. Try it. I think you will like it. I only ask girls over to my hotel after I have had at least 3 or 4 sessions with them in-house, and we are on real friendly terms. Cutting the boate out of the picture and having a favorite girl come over under these circumstances is a sure thing and lot of fun, but it should not be rushed IMHO. YMMV.
Have a great time. I know you will. And let me know what you think of Jericoacoara. I am thinking of taking my favorite Scandallo girl up there in May, but 1st I am taking her on a short trip to Ilhabela in November. Like I said, I never rush things with a girl. I have been with this particular Scandallo girl at least 14 times over the last year and we get along REAL GOOD. KKK.
[QUOTE=Kalysto;2749493]Hello all, and thanks for this invaluable source of information. I just got a subscription going, but I've been lurking for a while.
I'm going to be in Sao Paulo from October 10 to 15th, then I'm going to Jericoacoara (not for mongering, but Tinder is pretty damn active. I got a few dates aligned there). I may spend another week in Sao Paulo in December when before I leave the country.
I've taken some notes from the various reports here, I'm kinda keen to hit Scandallo but I find it might be overwhelming. I've gotten in touch with some twitter girls mentioned in this thread, I'll see what happens.
I'm struggling to decide which hotel to stay in. I don't have Mariott points, nor do I have the budget to stay in 5 star hotels. Anyone would have a recommendation for a 3-4 star hotel well situated for normal tourism and that will not cause trouble when I invite a lady to my room? I hear Jardins is a pretty cool suburb to stay in. Do you concur?
Anyway, anyone is going to be in SP during that time and fancy catching up? I'm new to Brazil, but not to this hobby, and would enjoy meeting like-minded peeps![/QUOTE]I'd be down to catch-up but arriving morning of October 15th.
Well, that is very, very nice Axel Heyst. Now I'm comfortable booking a room.
[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2749513]Hi Kalysto,
In the 4-star girl friendly category I recommend Grand Mercure SP Itaim Bibi and the Melia Jardim Europa. Itaim Bibi is just as nice and safe as Jardim with lots of good restaurants and shops. You will be fine staying at either 4-star hotel. Frankly the only major difference I have found between these 2 hotels and a 5 star SP hotel is a show palace lobby and fancy dining room. On my next visit I am staying at the Renaissance, Hyatt, & Intercontinental on points and vouchers, but after I use up all my travel pts, I am moving to the 4 stars and it will not bother me at all.
For a 1st time 5-night visit to SP, I recommend that you focus on the Moema Clinicas for afternoon fun and the Boates for evening diversion. There is nothing to worry about in going to Scandallo or Bombao, my 2 favorite boates. Both of these boates are super friendly and the staff and girls will make sure you have a good time. Both boates have excellent rooms in house, so there is really no reason to take a girl back to your hotel unless you really want to. Most of the time I will stick around Scandallo or Bomboa after my1st tryst, have something to eat at their excellent restaurants, and then begin looking for a 2nd girl to round out the evening. It is a lot a fun. Try it. I think you will like it. I only ask girls over to my hotel after I have had at least 3 or 4 sessions with them in-house, and we are on real friendly terms..[/QUOTE]
300 reais before 7 pm all it can be used for consuming food or drinks. 500 after 7 pm 300 for consumption. They want to filter the quality of the clients and girls. Add room 220 an hour and girl you will be dropping around 2000 so don't be shell shocked.
Well, that's a bit steep, and I'm struggling to understand. I had an exchange with Isa Nakamura quoted by another user here, who's a twitter girl and looks pretty hot and provides great service, at 400 reais for 1 HR at my hotel. I'm kinda curious to figure out if Scandallo is worth the 5 times step up?
[QUOTE=Hobbying;2749973]300 reais before 7 pm all it can be used for consuming food or drinks. 500 after 7 pm 300 for consumption. They want to filter the quality of the clients and girls. Add room 220 an hour and girl you will be dropping around 2000 so don't be shell shocked.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Kalysto;2750017]Well, that's a bit steep, and I'm struggling to understand. I had an exchange with Isa Nakamura quoted by another user here, who's a twitter girl and looks pretty hot and provides great service, at 400 reais for 1 HR at my hotel. I'm kinda curious to figure out if Scandallo is worth the 5 times step up?[/QUOTE]It's probably debatable that you need to drop 2000 reals at Scandallo, but the point you are making is the same. Yes, there are incredible hot Sao Paulo escorts to be had for a lot less.
One shouldn't look at Scandallo as a one hour session. It's more of a night out. Think of the cover and consumption as a night out at a club where there will be plenty of hot women.
Sometimes you just want to book an escort and get down to business. Other times you want to look around the candy store before you drop your dime.
[QUOTE=Hobbying;2749973]300 reais before 7 pm all it can be used for consuming food or drinks. 500 after 7 pm 300 for consumption. They want to filter the quality of the clients and girls. Add room 220 an hour and girl you will be dropping around 2000 so don't be shell shocked.[/QUOTE]Don't understand your math. How much are you paying the girl? I have never paid more than 700 for a 9+ in Scandallo and I was there in July. The lesser looking ones can even be had for 400-500 for an hour.
I got a very hot one for R400 at around 4:30 am. Yes, in Scandallo.
Then the day after we met for the same price in my hotel.
[QUOTE=SexIsLove;2750260]Don't understand your math. How much are you paying the girl? I have never paid more than 700 for a 9+ in Scandallo and I was there in July. The lesser looking ones can even be had for 400-500 for an hour.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SexIsLove;2750260]Don't understand your math. How much are you paying the girl? I have never paid more than 700 for a 9+ in Scandallo and I was there in July. The lesser looking ones can even be had for 400-500 for an hour.[/QUOTE]Read my previous posts.
Since last month girls have to pay 300 to enter add on their Uber, bag storage, food that's 400 R. A girl will not go for 400-500 anymore unless she was there last night and does not have to pay 300. There are maybe 50 girls that are full timers there so they do not pay the 300. But the majority are there some days because they have other things going on like school or another job. 500 entrance plus addition consumption above 300 add on 800-1000 girl 250 room it's around to 2000.
[QUOTE=Hobbying;2749973]300 reais before 7 pm all it can be used for consuming food or drinks. 500 after 7 pm 300 for consumption. They want to filter the quality of the clients and girls. Add room 220 an hour and girl you will be dropping around 2000 so don't be shell shocked.[/QUOTE]Scandallo really needs to filter out low quality girls. Here are some tips that might help newbies avoid scammers. Note that even very experienced guys like SocratesNY and someone else whose session was cut short to 40 minutes, still couldn't escape scammers. So these tips only help to avoid the obvious scammers that I stupidly fell and paid for.
1. Girls who rush you to go upstairs.
2. Girls who say they are only there for today only and will go somewhere far away for a long period of time, so this is your only chance to be with her.
3. Girls who offer discount for the 2nd session while you are still negotiating the very first session with her.
4. Girls who don't give out phone number or only give out phone number after going upstairs.
5. Girls who ask for a drink after you barely started talking to her.
6. Girls who can't remember basic things about you that you've already told her.
7. Girls who can't keep their story straight.
8. Girls who give you the perfect answers for every question, painting themselves as some selective high class fresh meat and you meet their definition of a gentleman so that's why they're talking to you. But if you keep up with the questions, their stories will start falling apart (see number 7 above).
9. Girls who are the pros. This is a hard one, but you can tell by the way they conduct themselves. They are efficient in what they do, they know where to go when to go where to stand, what to order, how to eat.
Other observations:
Most of them will say they are new and you would be her first client for the day even if you saw her going upstairs with 2 guys earlier.
Unless you have no accent, you will be treated as a gringo and will be quoted gringo prices which are usually 1000 for 1 hour and 2000 for overnight. I think the going rates as of last week for the 7's to 9's was 600-800 an hour and 1200-1500 overnight.
Don't give them the benefit of the doubt, whatever vibe you get from them while talking in the club doesn't get any better in the room.
You should explicitly let them know what you want.
Some of them might stalk you.
I wonder hows the quality and quantity of Scandallo now with the new prices.
[QUOTE=Hobbying;2750416]Read my previous posts.
Since last month girls have to pay 300 to enter add on their Uber, bag storage, food that's 400 R. A girl will not go for 400-500 anymore unless she was there last night and does not have to pay 300. There are maybe 50 girls that are full timers there so they do not pay the 300. But the majority are there some days because they have other things going on like school or another job. 500 entrance plus addition consumption above 300 add on 800-1000 girl 250 room it's around to 2000.[/QUOTE]
#5 is the most annoying one in this whole list!
I just reply with a big fat NOPE!
Also another one is when you're sitting there eating and want peace and quiet and some random girl (especially the ones you don't want) comes up to you and starts talking and invite herself to your table.
[QUOTE=NiceFirst;2750450]Scandallo really needs to filter out low quality girls. Here are some tips that might help newbies avoid scammers. Note that even very experienced guys like SocratesNY and someone else whose session was cut short to 40 minutes, still couldn't escape scammers. So these tips only help to avoid the obvious scammers that I stupidly fell and paid for.
1. Girls who rush you to go upstairs.
2. Girls who say they are only there for today only and will go somewhere far away for a long period of time, so this is your only chance to be with her.
3. Girls who offer discount for the 2nd session while you are still negotiating the very first session with her.
4. Girls who don't give out phone number or only give out phone number after going upstairs.
5. Girls who ask for a drink after you barely started talking to her.
6. Girls who can't remember basic things about you that you've already told her.
7. Girls who can't keep their story straight.
8. Girls who give you the perfect answers for every question, painting themselves as some selective high class fresh meat and you meet their definition of a gentleman so that's why they're talking to you. But if you keep up with the questions, their stories will start falling apart (see number 7 above).
9. Girls who are the pros. This is a hard one, but you can tell by the way they conduct themselves. They are efficient in what they do, they know where to go when to go where to stand, what to order, how to eat.
Other observations:
Most of them will say they are new and you would be her first client for the day even if you saw her going upstairs with 2 guys earlier.
Unless you have no accent, you will be treated as a gringo and will be quoted gringo prices which are usually 1000 for 1 hour and 2000 for overnight. I think the going rates as of last week for the 7's to 9's was 600-800 an hour and 1200-1500 overnight.
Don't give them the benefit of the doubt, whatever vibe you get from them while talking in the club doesn't get any better in the room.
You should explicitly let them know what you want.
Some of them might stalk you.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Hobbying;2750416]Read my previous posts.
Since last month girls have to pay 300 to enter add on their Uber, bag storage, food that's 400 R. A girl will not go for 400-500 anymore unless she was there last night and does not have to pay 300. There are maybe 50 girls that are full timers there so they do not pay the 300. But the majority are there some days because they have other things going on like school or another job. 500 entrance plus addition consumption above 300 add on 800-1000 girl 250 room it's around to 2000.[/QUOTE]I'm wondering why nobody uses Seeking / Tinder / Instagram (I haven't seen any reports) I'm sure some Scandallo girls have online presence and could be had for much lower rates if met outside of Scandallo. 2000 reals including all the fees, sounds about right. It sucks to pay that much, almost 400 USD for 1 HR of service or 1 pop. I don't count the time you spend at the club eating, drinking, etc because the ultimate goal for most of us is to fuck, not just hang out at the bar and go back to a hotel with blue balls. For me personally, 1 hour in the room is nothing, and I hate to be in a rush. Booking a girls for multiple hours would be super expensive, doesn't make any sense. Taking her out without a prior test drive could be a disaster, and also, quite expensive too. Guys need to take into account other costs. Flights, hotel, etc. Everything adds up quickly. I have said it before, if one wants a quickie with a relatively hot girl, one should visit clinicas, as they are much better value. For overnight GFE dates I would rather meet someone off Seeking or Tinder. Scandallo is a good place to just chill / drink with fellow mongers and check out the talent, collect phone numbers.
[QUOTE=NiceFirst;2750450]Scandallo really needs to filter out low quality girls. Here are some tips that might help newbies avoid scammers. Note that even very experienced guys like SocratesNY and someone else whose session was cut short to 40 minutes, still couldn't escape scammers. So these tips only help to avoid the obvious scammers that I stupidly fell and paid for.
1. Girls who rush you to go upstairs.
2. Girls who say they are only there for today only and will go somewhere far away for a long period of time, so this is your only chance to be with her.
3. Girls who offer discount for the 2nd session while you are still negotiating the very first session with her.
4. Girls who don't give out phone number or only give out phone number after going upstairs.
5. Girls who ask for a drink after you barely started talking to her.
6. Girls who can't remember basic things about you that you've already told her.
7. Girls who can't keep their story straight..[/QUOTE]I had a girl duo approach me in the nightclub one time while I was sitting there having a drink. After talking and getting to know each other for a few minutes, I couldn't believe they both asked me for a tip just for talking to me! Of course I told them no. Then they're going to act like they're surprised! GTFOH! That was the worst interaction I've ever had at Scandallo. Well, there was the time I was sitting at the bar and there were like three girls near me, and one of them cut a silent but deadly fart and stunk up the place! LOLOLOL!
[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2750745]I'm wondering why nobody uses Seeking / Tinder / Instagram (I haven't seen any reports) I'm sure some Scandallo girls have online presence and could be had for much lower rates if met outside of Scandallo. 2000 reals including all the fees, sounds about right. It sucks to pay that much, almost 400 USD for 1 HR of service or 1 pop. I don't count the time you spend at the club eating, drinking, etc because the ultimate goal for most of us is to fuck, not just hang out at the bar and go back to a hotel with blue balls. For me personally, 1 hour in the room is nothing, and I hate to be in a rush. Booking a girls for multiple hours would be super expensive, doesn't make any sense. Taking her out without a prior test drive could be a disaster, and also, quite expensive too. Guys need to take into account other costs. Flights, hotel, etc. Everything adds up quickly. I have said it before, if one wants a quickie with a relatively hot girl, one should visit clinicas, as they are much better value. For overnight GFE dates I would rather meet someone off Seeking or Tinder. Scandallo is a good place to just chill / drink with fellow mongers and check out the talent, collect phone numbers.[/QUOTE]2000 is overnight and not one hour upstairs and this can be negotiated down to somewhere between 12-1500. I prefer to do this instead of the 1 HR sessions. I enjoy spending time with the girls and having a few drinks.
NiceFirst well put. I usually avoid the girls who are super aggressive when they barely meet you, be it physical or verbal, I just avoid them. If a girl asks for a drink right away, I say no thanks. Not interested. There are girls who are just so stupid (can't explain it any other way) they keep saying the same thing and have nothing else to say and then comes the long uncomfortable silence that forces them to walk away.
This is part of the experience at Scandello. The possibility to filter out hot women and pick exactly or almost exactly something that fits your needs.
[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2750745]I'm wondering why nobody uses Seeking / Tinder / Instagram (I haven't seen any reports) I'm sure some Scandallo girls have online presence and could be had for much lower rates if met outside of Scandallo. 2000 reals including all the fees, sounds about right. It sucks to pay that much, almost 400 USD for 1 HR of service or 1 pop. I don't count the time you spend at the club eating, drinking...[/QUOTE]I met a girl at Scandallo during my last trip who claims to be a fashion model and she has a sizeable following on IG. I doubt I would get her attention if I contact her on IG. I wondered if her followers know her face is completely different in person. I took her upstairs and we went over the one hour limit, and there is no knock on the door. She does not charge me for the extra time. I just paid the extra hotel room time to Scandello. But I was stupid to tip her, and that increases my cost subsequently because I saw her quite a few times later in my place, and there was never a one hour limit.
Another repeat I met at the same time used to be on Seeking but not anymore. She also came to my place several times without one hour limit.
Hotter girls have the advantage online but Scandallo tips the scale to my favor. I think it would take me hours or days on Seeking to do what I can accomplish in a few minutes in Scandallo.
There were other times when the girl and I went to love motel that we pratically stayed ntil the Sun came out. Same price without 1 hour limit. I don't really do overnight as most of the times I just want to be alone but these just happened.
You are very good at Seeking but it takes time to get to where you are. I have been on Seeking multiple years too and I had two long term SB arrangements. LOL.
I also had trips where I fucked 1 to 2 girls from boates every day and maybe up to 10 girls in one week, as many of the guys here. My "leaving las Vegas" times, I call it. It was great of course.
When you eat lots of incredible dishes, you end up losing the real taste of great food. The same happens fucking cute women 365/24/7. There is the moment where you get bored of squendello girls, as I read from other ISGers.
If you want to taste flesh for the gods, like those influencers from instagram and TikTok that will never ever reply a DM, you must have lots of patiente. Fuck 1 or 2 of such goddesses in a year (you fuck pros during the rest of the year of course, we're not monks).
Being in the after party of fashion runways isn't hard, but you must be there and TALK to make the proposal and talk to agents (agent is simply a higher class of pimp) only to find that the model was in the runway with no payment at all, or maybe she was paid with clothes and make up. Girls love lights and stages. Of course you won't tell the agent "hey man, I want to fuck your model, how much for a whole day" he will kick your ass, no doubt. In Argentina you can say that directly to some agents, indeed. Instead, you can say something that will be of her interest "My client needs a model for his travel cases catalog bla bla bla" then you book the model and you take the crew to a lovely beach, hundreds of kilometers from town, including make up, wardrobe, etc. Of course, before all this, you must have information from contacts that the model gives after hour services for trips, or things classy girls like.
Sure, that will cost like 2-3 crazy squendello night outs, but you'll have the most incredible influencer with 100 K followers, nude licking your balls. Pink flesh only for the few.
Do you like solid 10's? Well, I do. I crown my dick with such flesh from time to time. And from time to time is good, so I don't lose the taste of great food.
You must have a ton of patient only. But the planning is a mouth watering experience of course.
Note: Talent in pics not Brazilian, south american.
[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2750745]I'm wondering why nobody uses Seeking / Tinder / Instagram (I haven't seen any reports) .[/QUOTE]
Planning on going to Sao Paulo towards the end of January for two weeks but the prices of flights from the UK are crazy at the minute.
Last time I went to Rio it was around £500 but cheapest to Sao Paulo or Rio during this time is £800 plus. I went to Rio in March last time so not sure how much difference that makes.
I know flight prices are up in general bit they aren't up that much to other countries.
[QUOTE=Fewdie;2750635]I wonder hows the quality and quantity of Scandallo now with the new prices.[/QUOTE]Obviously there are alot of gringos there taking advantage of the exchange. Others will head to other clubs.
I was there last week and this week and noticed it was less crowded, walking through the night club section at night was easy and not super crowded.
Two things will happen, there will be more full timers so they avoid the 300 fee and freelance hot ones that know they will have no issues getting clients if they need to pay 300. And that is what I saw this week. I sampled 3 girls that were their first time there (they don't pay 300 their first time there), 2 did not know their value so they accepted 600, other one was a solid 10 and wanted 1000 which I gladly paid to test drive, felt like driving a Ferrari.
Brasil / Sao Paulo is the largest economy in Latin America, there will always be rich locals or visitors willing to splurge.
[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2750745]I'm wondering why nobody uses Seeking / Tinder / Instagram (I haven't seen any reports) I'm sure some Scandallo girls have online presence and could be had for much lower rates if met outside of Scandallo. 2000 reals including all the fees, sounds about right. It sucks to pay that much, almost 400 USD for 1 HR of service or 1 pop. I don't count the time you spend at the club eating, drinking, etc because the ultimate goal for most of us is to fuck, not just hang out at the bar and go back to a hotel with blue balls. For me personally, 1 hour in the room is nothing, and I hate to be in a rush. Booking a girls for multiple hours would be super expensive, doesn't make any sense. Taking her out without a prior test drive could be a disaster, and also, quite expensive too. Guys need to take into account other costs. Flights, hotel, etc. Everything adds up quickly. I have said it before, if one wants a quickie with a relatively hot girl, one should visit clinicas, as they are much better value. For overnight GFE dates I would rather meet someone off Seeking or Tinder. Scandallo is a good place to just chill / drink with fellow mongers and check out the talent, collect phone numbers.[/QUOTE]I would include the sight seeing as the price of admissions, like going to the strip club. SA / Tinder / IG is not a guarantee fuck and requires some ability to communicate in Porto and the rip off factor is much larger risk. Plus I hate the photo vs in person surprise. In the club gives you some security the girl will not rip you off. If the girl really likes you then the rate is secondary to her, many times I took girls out without an agreed price and they told me they will accept whatever present I give them. That way you are guaranteed good service and she will not bounce, pay for performance setup.
[QUOTE=Hobbying;2751161]I would include the sight seeing as the price of admissions, like going to the strip club. SA / Tinder / IG is not a guarantee fuck and requires some ability to communicate in Porto and the rip off factor is much larger risk. Plus I hate the photo vs in person surprise. In the club gives you some security the girl will not rip you off. If the girl really likes you then the rate is secondary to her, many times I took girls out without an agreed price and they told me they will accept whatever present I give them. That way you are guaranteed good service and she will not bounce, pay for performance setup.[/QUOTE]Sure, SA / Tinder require some time and effort, but sex is pretty much guaranteed, if you discuss what you want upfront. Unless she doesn't show up or she looks completely different in person (this is why you need to request as many photos or videos as possible, or set up a FaceTime call). In the last 2-3 years I probably had only 3 dates that did not end up having sex. If one has only a few days to spend in SP, or doesn't travel there often, boates and clinicas make much more sense. But for someone traveling there frequently or staying for extended periods of time, SA provides much better value, and better service, especially if you enjoy BBFS. I think 1000 reals is more than enough for pernoite, 500-700 to a girl, and 200-300 for dinner / drinks. And if you are an early bird or have to work in the mornings, SA dates would probably fit your schedule better because you don't have to hunt until very late or wait for a bargain price at 4:30 am. My dates usually start around 7-8 pm, 2-3 hrs dinner, then back to my place, 2-3 hrs of fun and off to sleep. 1 pop in the morning and she is good to go. But I understand we all roll differently.
[QUOTE=Hobbying;2751161]I would include the sight seeing as the price of admissions, like going to the strip club. SA / Tinder / IG is not a guarantee fuck and requires some ability to communicate in Porto and the rip off factor is much larger risk. Plus I hate the photo vs in person surprise. In the club gives you some security the girl will not rip you off. If the girl really likes you then the rate is secondary to her, many times I took girls out without an agreed price and they told me they will accept whatever present I give them. That way you are guaranteed good service and she will not bounce, pay for performance setup.[/QUOTE]Nothing says you can't mix the two. I am with MiamiBoy on the SA experience being more fulfilling. You can end up with a real semi long term thing that goes beyond just sex but is NSA. I've got a few girls that I've had 6 mo + "access" to once we establish that first date or two chemistry. That said I love the clubs too.
But you can mix and match! Had an SA date in Madrid at 6 PM (turned out to be meh) and hit Vive (like a small Scandallo) at 11. Best of both worlds. No need to choose.
I noticed there are a few Scandallo girls on SA.
[QUOTE=Steve9696;2751218]Nothing says you can't mix the two. I am with MiamiBoy on the SA experience being more fulfilling. You can end up with a real semi long term thing that goes beyond just sex but is NSA. I've got a few girls that I've had 6 mo + "access" to once we establish that first date or two chemistry. That said I love the clubs too.
But you can mix and match! Had an SA date in Madrid at 6 PM (turned out to be meh) and hit Vive (like a small Scandallo) at 11. Best of both worlds. No need to choose.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=SoberHans69;2751130]Planning on going to Sao Paulo towards the end of January for two weeks but the prices of flights from the UK are crazy at the minute.
Last time I went to Rio it was around 500 but cheapest to Sao Paulo or Rio during this time is 800 plus. I went to Rio in March last time so not sure how much difference that makes.
I know flight prices are up in general bit they aren't up that much to other countries.[/QUOTE]I am finding the same thing traveling from the USA I want to fly direct and it costs 1000+ in economy. I may pivot my trip since the flight is so expensive compared to this time last year.
[QUOTE=KcDark;2751793]I am finding the same thing traveling from the USA I want to fly direct and it costs 1000+ in economy. I may pivot my trip since the flight is so expensive compared to this time last year.[/QUOTE]Yeah its annoying. I can afford it but I hate paying 60% more for the same journey. Cost of doing business I guess.
[QUOTE=KcDark;2751793]I am finding the same thing traveling from the USA I want to fly direct and it costs 1000+ in economy. I may pivot my trip since the flight is so expensive compared to this time last year.[/QUOTE]If you want to go to SP but it seems expensive just book Rio separate. Book a round trip to Rio. And then book a round trip to SP separately. The SP Rio round trip will be super cheap because local. When you try to book it altogether it's more expensive.
[QUOTE=Steve9696;2751912]If you want to go to SP but it seems expensive just book Rio separate. Book a round trip to Rio. And then book a round trip to SP separately. The SP Rio round trip will be super cheap because local. When you try to book it altogether it's more expensive.[/QUOTE]That makes sense. I am more frustrated about the price of an economy 9 hour flight. I usually get a fidgety middle isle person sitting next to me.
I was planning on going to Brazil this year but prices (flights hotel) are just rediculous right now. It got me thinking is there anywhere in world with a club quite like scandallo?
For context I am relatively young 33 and have limited experience with mongering in Brazil Mexico Germany and Colombia. I Live in the us but I have given up on this country for mongering.
Within Brazil there are similar but not quite as good. Years ago I was at cafe photo with the same quality girls but pricier and fewer quantity. Bamboa has some good ones as well but so small don't think you could even fit All the girls let alone customers from scandallo on a given night. All other clubs I have been to in Sao Paulo only have a few scandallo quality girls if any.
In campinas is fazendinha with top girls but not all are hot and also a mixed bag depending on the day.
In porto alegre there was gruta azul and Carmens gruta azul a little higher end but nothing close to sacandalo. Have only spent one weekend with coworkers in rio only made it Centaurus which was ok. I heard and read good things about 4 x4 but from research I don't believe will match up.
In Bogota lido was very good but no where to be at ease with the girls for negotiating probably comparable to the old bamboa before it moved.
In Medellin luna lunera was probably the only other place with the consistent quality of girls as scandallo with less quantity but still decent amount of girls also had some issues girls who were stripping constantly asking for tip even if I was not watching them.
In munich villa romana also had quality girls similar to scandallo but only about 10 max on a given night and don't think you can't take the girls out.
In Mexico can't say I have seen any comparable venue. Maybe in Bangkok when I go next month I can have some context. Again I don't have the experience as some other members but please let me know of any location that I should check out in world.
I was planning on going to Sao Paulo this year but prices (flight hotel) are just rediculous. Still I miss scandallo and the legendary nights I have had. It got me thinking is there anywhere in the world quite like scandallo?
Just for context I am 33 and limited mongering experience. Also being married for some of those mongering years slowed me down a bit. Still I was able to check out places through Brasil, Colombia Mexico and Germany (just Munich). And the following are compatible but just don't meet the bar set by scandallo in my opinion.
Sao Paulo.
Years ago was at café FOTO. Yes quality of girls were comparable but prices were not, nor was the quantity of girls. Also no rooms in the place had to go to hotel.
Bamboa has some comparable quality girls but new location so small don't think you can fit all the girls let alone customers on a given night at scandallo.
All other clubs I have been to (casarao, Bahamas etc.) only a handful of quality girls.
Campinas.
Only thing close to scandallo is fazendinha But in the middle of nowhere and quality and quantity varies depending on the day.
Porto alegre.
Gruta azul higher end girls with a lower price but again not enough girls. Tia Carmen also had some gems but the place a little trashy. Domino even more trashy.
Rio.
Have only spent one weekend in Rio for work and only made it to Centaurus. Have heard and read good things from 4 x4 but from research don't think this would match scandallo quality.
Bogota.
Lido similar to bamboas old location with some quality girls but too loud to negotiate and screen effectively.
Medellin.
Luna lunera is the only place I can say came close when looking at quality and quantity but still not a match for scandallo. Also the girls stripping are constantly asking for tips even if I was not watching.
Munich.
Vila romana had the quality standard but only 10 girls at any given time but all were hot. Also don't think you can take the girls out.
Mexico has yet give me a venue.
Maybe in Bangkok next month I can share some comparable places.
Again I don't have too much experience but let me know of any comparable places in the world.
Below is my best attempt to summarize 3 months in São Paulo. The main takeaway is that sugar dating sites yielded the best results although boates like Scandallo have certain uses as well. Communication, both in Portuguese and understanding the Brazilian culture, was the differentiating factor to a good experience.
I should start by saying that I prefer reasonably stable, non-monogamous relationships where I see the same girl a few times per week. 2+ such relationships make for a good time since girls can be busy with school, family, etc. Before Brazil, I thought I preferred girls under 25 but now I realize that while more attractive sexually, as an overall experience girls over 25 are more reliable, better conversationalists and better behaved overall.
I'll break down my experiences in terms of categories below.
Local Pros: These are girls who have never left Brazil. All those I've met want to leave Brazil and work in Western Europe or Dubai. They are typically younger, less intelligent, less brave and despite being hot, provide a mediocre experience. Most of them I met at Scandallo, and one I accidentally met via the sugar dating site MeuPatrocinio. They dream, but do not execute. However, they'll happily comply with what I wanted them to do (despite not doing it well).
Traveled Pros: Girls who have worked outside Brazil. Despite being older, these girls provided the best sexual experiences of the trip. Never before tried sexual positions and an insane amount of energy. I met a few via Seeking (who worked with an agency handling their Seeking accounts) and one at Scandallo. Most of them sadly don't have any hobbies beyond partying, which makes a long-term relationship impractical. *.
The one exception to this had a perfect body, a completely submissive attitude, and an unbelievable intuition about what I wanted her to do. Sadly, she very clearly had been working a lot because after kissing her I immediately started feeling pain in my mouth and throat. We found a way to work around this, with her getting me excited by sucking on my nipples and kissing my neck (awkward maybe, but she did it with aplomb). The other important takeaway from that experience is that once you have Brazilian ass, most asses look bland by comparison from the back.
Clinica Pros: Amazing skills, poor conversation, sadly riddled with disease. I got a sore throat after seeing one and one amazing night doesn't make up for a few days of being out of commission.
Out Of Town Girls: These girls either came to work at Scandallo or on sugar dating sites for a week or so, but lived in some smaller city in Brazil. These were the worst experiences. Despite being submissive, these girls had poor skills and weren't too bright. They saw their time in the city as an opportunity to eat at fancy restaurants (serving shitty food) and me as their means to do so. I'm not a fan of micromanaging my partners or telling them no all the time, hence instant disqualification for future girls in this category.
"New" Sugar Babies: These were girls mostly met on MeuPatrocinio (which is far more populated than Seeking), who were new to Sao Paulo and sugar dating. These experiences, like the traveled pros, were among the best. Unlike the out of town girls, these girls were ambitious. They left their lives behind to get an education or a career in the big city. They were motivated, and although not as good as the traveled pros, they exceeded the local pros in bedroom skills.
One of my favorites showed me the meaning of the term "power bottom" as I stood there while her ass did all the work while I was on top of her prone, face-down body. The other came out of the bathroom completely naked and told me she likes to cum at least once a day, and if she doesn't have a man around uses her dildo. Refreshingly direct.
I fell for some of these girls and provided them with gifts in excess of a casual relationship. This was consistently an error. Instead of reciprocating, they felt more financially comfortable to spend more time with their friends.
"Experienced" Sugar Babies: These girls had prior sugar daddies, either locally or outside Brazil. Some of these girls had unreasonable expectations, like being lavished with gifts, which obviously didn't work out. Other were more casual, and understood that casual relationships don't imply gifts as do more involved relationships. I suspect the girls in this pool were here because of some personality defect, because the new sugar babies were overall much more impressive.
"Models": While a number of the other girls did some small-time modeling, the more modeling a girl did, the more it seems to inflate her ego. Having her own clothing brand is a bright orange flag. Perhaps even worse, the difference between the girl in real life and her pictures was often staggering. Photo editing hides poor skin complexion, excess fat, old age, and a frankly weird-looking face when talking. Combine this with excessive confidence and a desire to be rewarded accordingly, and these just did not work out.
Conclusions: Despite some incredible experiences with traveled pros, the risks for getting sick aren't worth it for me. The late nights at Scandallo eventually wear down your body. And anyways, a girl who has ambitions for a business or an education remains interesting longer than one who's primarily interested in drinking and traveling (as most of the pros seem to).
What ultimately impressed me most is the Brazilian female temperament. They are the least crazy of all women I've met so far. Combine that with a first-class ass, an openness to enhancing their chests, dedication to regular gym going and I might just take one of these girls back to the US with me.
Looking forward to coming back for another 3 months soon.
[QUOTE=TedFerguson;2751953]Conclusions: Despite some incredible experiences with traveled pros, the risks for getting sick aren't worth it for me. The late nights at Scandallo eventually wear down your body.[/QUOTE]My first trip to Brazil (and my shortest ever), was just 10 days. In that time, I lost one day of mongering due to illness after having had some sushi. I thanked God that it only lasted a day, and I bounced back quickly (and I have never eaten sushi in Brazil ever again LOL). But upon my return home, I was so sick that I literally had to take a full week off of work just to recover. I went buck wild in Rio during those 10 fateful days hahaha! A key source of me not feeling well had to do with having a sore throat. That came from all of the DFKing I had done with all of them there tutes! As the more seasoned Brazil mongers advised me, what I needed to do was gargle with Listerine regularly. I have done that religiously on every trip to Brazil since (plus made sure I got a sufficient amount of sleep) and have not gotten sick again on any mongering trip to anyplace. I gargle with the Listerine before I head out and as soon as I get back to my room (at least twice a day), and it's works like a dream! Helps to beat back all those germs from kissing on the tutes and eating that ass LOLOLOL!
[QUOTE=GiuseppeBonera;2751944]Again I don't have too much experience but let me know of any comparable places in the world.[/QUOTE]I hate to break it to you, but I've been around the world and haven't discovered any place on par with Scandallo in Sampa. As I recently noted in another thread, Scandallo is pretty incomparable! That said, there are of course plenty of other venues worth experiencing that can bring you that kind of "live" excitement that Steve has spoken about in some of his posts. You mentioned many already. I would add Vive Madrid in Spain's capital and the top FKK clubs throughout Germany and Switzerland (see the relevant threads). Dubai also has lots and lots of clubs with girls from all over the world. I really like the Ruskies and found some drop dead gorgeous ones at the time in places like Premiere and Cavalli. So, there's some more suggestions. But I'm afraid you won't find another Scandallo at this time. And if you do please let us know! And I will do the same hehehe!
[QUOTE=TedFerguson;2751953]Below is my best attempt to summarize 3 months in So Paulo. ....[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report and the information about MeuPatrocinio. We were browsing MeuPatrocinio after reading your previous post but it felt the site is not real. So it is safe to pay for the access? Sorry if it is a dumb question.
[QUOTE=GiuseppeBonera;2751944]I was planning on going to Sao Paulo this year but prices (flight hotel) are just rediculous. Still I miss scandallo and the legendary nights I have had. It got me thinking is there anywhere in the world quite like scandallo?
Just for context I am 33 and limited mongering experience. Also being married for some of those mongering years slowed me down a bit. Still I was able to check out places through Brasil, Colombia Mexico and Germany (just Munich). And the following are compatible but just don't meet the bar set by scandallo in my opinion.
Sao Paulo.
Years ago was at caf FOTO. Yes quality of girls were comparable but prices were not, nor was the quantity of girls. Also no rooms in the place had to go to hotel.
Bamboa has some comparable quality girls but new location so small don't think you can fit all the girls let alone customers on a given night at scandallo.
All other clubs I have been to (casarao, Bahamas etc.) only a handful of quality girls.
Campinas.
Only thing close to scandallo is fazendinha But in the middle of nowhere and quality and quantity varies depending on the day.
Porto alegre.
Gruta azul higher end girls with a lower price but again not enough girls. Tia Carmen also had some gems but the place a little trashy. Domino even more trashy.
Rio.
Have only spent one weekend in Rio for work and only made it to Centaurus. Have heard and read good things from 4 x4 but from research don't think this would match scandallo quality.
Bogota.
Lido similar to bamboas old location with some quality girls but too loud to negotiate and screen effectively.
Medellin.
Luna lunera is the only place I can say came close when looking at quality and quantity but still not a match for scandallo. Also the girls stripping are constantly asking for tips even if I was not watching.
Munich.
Vila romana had the quality standard but only 10 girls at any given time but all were hot. Also don't think you can take the girls out.
Mexico has yet give me a venue.
Maybe in Bangkok next month I can share some comparable places.
Again I don't have too much experience but let me know of any comparable places in the world.[/QUOTE]Hong Kong in Tijuana comes close yet so far to Scandalo. Its a distance second maybe. Nothing like Scandalo, La Isla circa 2016 had a lineup that rivaled any brothel but those days are long gone.
Hello everyone,
I appreciate all for contributing to this thread, I am planning to visit SP for the first time in the beginning of the December, I am still deciding between Medellin and SP (may be both with 3 days each). This will be my first south American trip and I am thinking of visiting Scandallo and try Seeking. Can someone provide quality of girls in seeking and would it be better to target places like Scandallo for just 3 days?
Also would like to know amount of quality girls in SP vs MDE, I know MDE is budget friendly when compared to SP, but would like have really good quality as this is the first time I am mongering in years.
Thanks all.
Nice comparisons around the world! No other place like Scandallo in terms of quantity and quality. There is one sauna in Hong Kong that had a huge lineup but no GFE.
Cafe foto will start to get more girls from Scandallo because it only cost them 50 R per night to go in and out whereas Scandallo now cost them 300 R if they don't go everyday. However foto is small also.
[QUOTE=GiuseppeBonera;2751944]I was planning on going to Sao Paulo this year but prices (flight hotel) are just rediculous. Still I miss scandallo and the legendary nights I have had. It got me thinking is there anywhere in the world quite like scandallo?
Just for context I am 33 and limited mongering experience. Also being married for some of those mongering years slowed me down a bit. Still I was able to check out places through Brasil, Colombia Mexico and Germany (just Munich). And the following are compatible but just don't meet the bar set by scandallo in my opinion.
Sao Paulo.
Years ago was at caf FOTO. Yes quality of girls were comparable but prices were not, nor was the quantity of girls. Also no rooms in the place had to go to hotel..[/QUOTE]
Hey Ted, enjoyed reading your post, you do not have alot of post but you certainly nailed it with this report!
I've found that the more hot they are the more messed they are in the head. Real MILFs are better at sex then non milfs I found but they have a limit to how long they will fuck. Non milfs have more energy and can do it multiple times a day. Travel girls are open to negotiate shopping / gifts in lieu of money but they limit how many times they fuck. The sweet spot are ones that are from the interior who is a home body and wants to be near family and do not like to work as pros are not jaded and they are GFE. And if they are studying to be in healthcare they are even better, brains, looks, and hygiene so they don't pass on STDs. The cheaper the place the higher the risk is a good correlation. Bomboa and Foto use to require testing every 2 months but at Scandallo they do not because the amount of girls is too difficult to manage. Testing together is the best method, some labs do same day results in SP.
[QUOTE=TedFerguson;2751953]Below is my best attempt to summarize 3 months in So Paulo. The main takeaway is that sugar dating sites yielded the best results although boates like Scandallo have certain uses as well. Communication, both in Portuguese and understanding the Brazilian culture, was the differentiating factor to a good experience.
I should start by saying that I prefer reasonably stable, non-monogamous relationships where I see the same girl a few times per week. 2+ such relationships make for a good time since girls can be busy with school, family, etc. Before Brazil, I thought I preferred girls under 25 but now I realize that while more attractive sexually, as an overall experience girls over 25 are more reliable, better conversationalists and better behaved overall.
I'll break down my experiences in terms of categories below.
Local Pros: These are girls who have never left Brazil. All those I've met want to leave Brazil and work in Western Europe or Dubai. They are typically younger, less intelligent, less brave and despite being hot, provide a mediocre experience. Most of them I met at Scandallo, and one I accidentally met via the sugar dating site MeuPatrocinio. They dream, but do not execute. However, they'll happily comply with what I wanted them to do (despite not doing it well)..[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=GiuseppeBonera;2751944]I was planning on going to Sao Paulo this year but prices (flight hotel) are just rediculous. Still I miss scandallo and the legendary nights I have had. It got me thinking is there anywhere in the world quite like scandallo?
Just for context I am 33 and limited mongering experience. Also being married for some of those mongering years slowed me down a bit. Still I was able to check out places through Brasil, Colombia Mexico and Germany (just Munich). And the following are compatible but just don't meet the bar set by scandallo in my opinion.
Sao Paulo.
Years ago was at caf FOTO. Yes quality of girls were comparable but prices were not, nor was the quantity of girls. Also no rooms in the place had to go to hotel.
Bamboa has some comparable quality girls but new location so small don't think you can fit all the girls let alone customers on a given night at scandallo.
All other clubs I have been to (casarao, Bahamas etc.) only a handful of quality girls.
Campinas.
Only thing close to scandallo is fazendinha But in the middle of nowhere and quality and quantity varies depending on the day.
Porto alegre.
Gruta azul higher end girls with a lower price but again not enough girls. Tia Carmen also had some gems but the place a little trashy. Domino even more trashy.
Rio.
Have only spent one weekend in Rio for work and only made it to Centaurus. Have heard and read good things from 4 x4 but from research don't think this would match scandallo quality.
Bogota.
Lido similar to bamboas old location with some quality girls but too loud to negotiate and screen effectively.
Medellin.
Luna lunera is the only place I can say came close when looking at quality and quantity but still not a match for scandallo. Also the girls stripping are constantly asking for tips even if I was not watching.
Munich.
Vila romana had the quality standard but only 10 girls at any given time but all were hot. Also don't think you can take the girls out.
Mexico has yet give me a venue.
Maybe in Bangkok next month I can share some comparable places.
Again I don't have too much experience but let me know of any comparable places in the world.[/QUOTE]Yes Scandalo is also my favorite but as much for the club as the girls. Looking worldwide if you went to Germany and only Munich that is a shame. It has the worst FKK scene in Germany. Go anywhere but Munich. LOL. In Frankfurt Sharks is widely considered best. Or Globe in Zurich. But I went to a small club north of thesseldorf called Penelope and had two great girls. Def a much smaller scene tho.
Would recommend Vive in Madrid as quite Scandalo like tho on a smaller scale. Took three girls (Colombiana, Brasileira, Dominican) and all three were great. See my report in Madrid thread. Going to try the Costa del Sol soon where Estark 92 and Scandallo (yes) both have good reps. I'll report back in a few weeks.
[QUOTE=RemotePC;2752019]Hello everyone,
I appreciate all for contributing to this thread, I am planning to visit SP for the first time in the beginning of the December, I am still deciding between Medellin and SP (may be both with 3 days each). This will be my first south American trip and I am thinking of visiting Scandallo and try Seeking. Can someone provide quality of girls in seeking and would it be better to target places like Scandallo for just 3 days?
Also would like to know amount of quality girls in SP vs MDE, I know MDE is budget friendly when compared to SP, but would like have really good quality as this is the first time I am mongering in years.
Thanks all.[/QUOTE]SP will be more or less a sure thing if you only have 6 days. Medellin likely will be hit and miss if you want quality with only 6 days, 3 days will be difficult. It has large quantity, but it takes work unless someone is willing to share high quality contacts with you.
You need yellow fever vaccine if you are flying from Brazil to Colombia, so be prepared
Hi, last week (3-Oct.) I purchased a flight from Manaos. Sao Paulo (2700 Km flight) for US $120. As other users mention, domestic flights are at good price if you purchase them one or two months ahead.
[QUOTE=KcDark;2751793]I am finding the same thing traveling from the USA I want to fly direct and it costs 1000+ in economy. I may pivot my trip since the flight is so expensive compared to this time last year.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Nounce;2752232]SP will be more or less a sure thing if you only have 6 days. Medellin likely will be hit and miss if you want quality with only 6 days, 3 days will be difficult. It has large quantity, but it takes work unless someone is willing to share high quality contacts with you.
You need yellow fever vaccine if you are flying from Brazil to Colombia, so be prepared[/QUOTE]Nonce, I will try and find the info myself, but I will be flying SP to Medellin VIA Panama next year. From your knowledge, still required?
[QUOTE=Jet69;2752276]Nonce, I will try and find the info myself, but I will be flying SP to Medellin VIA Panama next year. From your knowledge, still required?[/QUOTE]I think if the two segments are on the same ticket, then the airline probably will ask for it.
[QUOTE=KcDark;2751793]I am finding the same thing traveling from the USA I want to fly direct and it costs 1000+ in economy. I may pivot my trip since the flight is so expensive compared to this time last year.[/QUOTE]I remember ticket prices from SFO tp Rio and SP to be in the $800 - $1000 range pre pandemic. I was looking at prices to SP on my CC portal. The cheapest option was Delta $850 but the layover was crazy like 20 hrs. AA had several pricing options. The cheapest $950 was basic economy and did not include any check-in baggage. If you want that the price was $1000. I had a terrible experience with AA years ago flying back to the US. Our plane had a mechanical problem and the flight was cancelled. But there was no announcement made whatsoever. Eventually I sensed something was not right and had to figure everything out myself. COPA was also $1000 but they use the 767 Max 9's and I don't feel comfortable flying in them.
[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon;2752977][I]...... COPA was also $1000 but they use the 767 Max 9's and I don't feel comfortable flying in them.[/I][/QUOTE]What is wrong with the 767 Max 9's that you are uncomfortable flying in them?
Most know there are issues with the Boeing 737 Max [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accidents_and_incidents_involving_the_Boeing_737[/URL].
-aircraft t:737
You can use this command in Advanced Controls Itineraries (right side) on ITA Matrix search to avoid flying on 737 equipment. Try United.
[QUOTE=Questner;2753079]-aircraft t:737
You can use this command in Advanced Controls Itineraries (right side) on ITA Matrix search to avoid flying on 737 equipment. Try United.[/QUOTE]Of the major USA airlines Southwest and American had the most 737 Max aircraft by far. United only had a few, and Delta none as far as I know.
[QUOTE=HiddenEye;2752269]Hi, last week (3-Oct.) I purchased a flight from Manaos. Sao Paulo (2700 Km flight) for US $120. As other users mention, domestic flights are at good price if you purchase them one or two months ahead.[/QUOTE]I've been the lucky recipient of a few almost unbelievable fares from booking well in advance. Belem to Manaus for 27 usd comes to mind and might be my best deal so far. I'm sure there are some bm'ers that have flown in between SP and Rio for under 20 usd. Some of the airfares you find are almost too good to be true but if you purchase your tickets closer to the departure date, tickets prices get $$$ quick!
[QUOTE=UniversalX;2753075]What is wrong with the 767 Max 9's that you are uncomfortable flying in them?[/QUOTE]I meant to say the 737 Max 9's. I used to prefer to fly on Boeing planes. But after the 2 accidents involving the Max, I have lost trust in them. May be a while before I feel comfortable flying in the 737 Maxs.
For FF,
United co shares flights with Azul.
Delta cross matches benefits with Latam.
Gol and Avianca are merging.
[QUOTE=TedFerguson;2751953]"New" Sugar Babies: These were girls mostly met on MeuPatrocinio (which is far more populated than Seeking), who were new to Sao Paulo and sugar dating. These experiences, like the traveled pros, were among the best. Unlike the out of town girls, these girls were ambitious. They left their lives behind to get an education or a career in the big city. They were motivated, and although not as good as the traveled pros, they exceeded the local pros in bedroom skills.[/QUOTE]Is MeuPatrocinio a real website? I created an account and can search but the page to buy a subscription to message is blank.
[QUOTE=FlowState985;2745565]Here's the review site [URL]forumcutuca.com[/URL] for Prime, Miruna, Enjoy, etc. The owner of these clinicas moved all the info there if you want to read it.
Creating account on it is a ***** thou, because the forum banned gmail, hotmail, yahoo. Basically all the free emails account that I know of, but you can read it without having to sign up.[/QUOTE]Thanks for this info, these clincas are my bread and butter.
[QUOTE=FlowState985;2745565]Here's the review site [URL]forumcutuca.com[/URL] for Prime, Miruna, Enjoy, etc. The owner of these clinicas moved all the info there if you want to read it.
Creating account on it is a ***** thou, because the forum banned gmail, hotmail, yahoo. Basically all the free emails account that I know of, but you can read it without having to sign up.[/QUOTE]Thanks for this info, these clinicas are my bread and butter.
[QUOTE=TedFerguson;2751953]Below is my best attempt to summarize 3 months in So Paulo. The main takeaway is that sugar dating sites yielded the best results although boates like Scandallo have certain uses as well. Communication, both in Portuguese and understanding the Brazilian culture, was the differentiating factor to a good experience.
I should start by saying that I prefer reasonably stable, non-monogamous relationships where I see the same girl a few times per week. 2+ such relationships make for a good time since girls can be busy with school, family, etc. Before Brazil, I thought I preferred girls under 25 but now I realize that while more attractive sexually, as an overall experience girls over 25 are more reliable, better conversationalists and better behaved overall.
Looking forward to coming back for another 3 months soon.[/QUOTE]A very enjoyable read that I believe most mongers can relate to. At least I have experienced everything on your list, except the disease.
The village girl (small town) description got me a chuckle, because I had an exact experience with an out of towner on my last trip in July. Lady insisted on going to a fancy restaurant that she just googled, ordered an expensive (but terrible. Heavy and greasy) dish that she obviously never had before. It was a pain watching her struggle to choke it down. Then back to the room and she was too bloated and drowsy to fuck, so ended up taking a 3 hour nap. By the time she woke up, she needed to rush and take the last train to her home town. To be fair, she contacted me the following day asking if she could come and compensate me for the previous day. Said she would stay for unlimited time for her 1 hour rate. I was skeptical but she happily followed through, good session overall, but I would be hesitant to repeat.
After doing tons of research, I've decided to stay in a AirBnb in near Moema mall, then walk to the daytime clinicas. The ones I have in mind are Prime, Miruna, Abobora, Indy and Enjoy Spa. What are the prices at each place and how are the talent quality these days? Also if anyone wants to meet up please let me know. I will be in SP this week. Thanks gents!
[QUOTE=Playboy2021;2753205]Is MeuPatrocinio a real website? I created an account and can search but the page to buy a subscription to message is blank.[/QUOTE]I had the same issue, after contacting admin they responded that they are not allowed to work with US based customers due to local laws.
[QUOTE=JohnCorey;2753652]I had the same issue, after contacting admin they responded that they are not allowed to work with US based customers due to local laws.[/QUOTE]How would they know if I am US based?
[QUOTE=DonMedellin;2753393]After doing tons of research, I've decided to stay in a AirBnb in near Moema mall, then walk to the daytime clinicas. The ones I have in mind are Prime, Miruna, Abobora, Indy and Enjoy Spa. What are the prices at each place and how are the talent quality these days? Also if anyone wants to meet up please let me know. I will be in SP this week. Thanks gents![/QUOTE]Prime - 1 HR - 250 brl, 30 min - 190 brl.
I'm down to meetup. DM me your WhatsApp, you inbox was full when I tried.
[QUOTE=JohnCorey;2753652]I had the same issue, after contacting admin they responded that they are not allowed to work with US based customers due to local laws.[/QUOTE]Tried VPN?
How much these girls charge usually per night?
I hate when they need to bounce early in morning for school or job.
[QUOTE=DonMedellin;2753393]After doing tons of research, I've decided to stay in a AirBnb in near Moema mall, then walk to the daytime clinicas. The ones I have in mind are Prime, Miruna, Abobora, Indy and Enjoy Spa. What are the prices at each place and how are the talent quality these days? Also if anyone wants to meet up please let me know. I will be in SP this week. Thanks gents![/QUOTE]Prime, Miruna, and Enjoy Spa (same owner) is about r180/ r190 for half and then about r250 for 1 HR. Indy or Moah Spa (same owner) is a little less than those three. Abbobora is r330 (130 for room, 200 for girl) for 1 HR only. Also Carinas is close by and it's r350/ HR.
27 Dollars is simply excellent. Brazil is so big, that you can domestic fly to get closer to Colombia, Venezuela, Bolivia, and even Colombia.
A friend of mine flew from Rio to closer Venezuela (don't remember the name of the city right now) but the border customs was closed for unsaid reasons and he had to cancel his entrance to Venezuela that way. So, good to make a research before.
[QUOTE=OJeito;2753081]I've been the lucky recipient of a few almost unbelievable fares from booking well in advance. Belem to Manaus for 27 usd comes to mind and might be my best deal so far. I'm sure there are some bm'ers that have flown in between SP and Rio for under 20 usd. Some of the airfares you find are almost too good to be true but if you purchase your tickets closer to the departure date, tickets prices get $$$ quick![/QUOTE]
I went to Bomboa a few hours before my flight, so I went for a quick taste, and very rapidly I saw this slim blonde in the bar, who was talking to a local. So I went to the bar and asked a beer and stood right next to her, just to play my chance, then she turned to me and smiled, so I started talking to her. In less than two minutes she already gave me her rate, and I agreed 600 BRL.
When she went to the bathroom I stayed in the bar so, the guy and me were only 4 feet away. The guy was mad at me, he turned and said something I could not hear, but wasn't kind at all. The guy was a robust, boxing type man, maybe a police off duty. That's when I realized that I fucked his negotiation. If the guy would have challenged me in a more manly manner, I would have left the girl, no doubt.
Once in the room, the cute slim blonde told me he was offering her 350 and he rised to 400 BRL after half an hour of conversation. She also said that a couple of times she was paid less than agreed with one of those long lasting negotiators. So she dropped him.
Nothing happened with the guy and me, fortunately, LOL.
[QUOTE=Jet69;2752276]Nonce, I will try and find the info myself, but I will be flying SP to Medellin VIA Panama next year. From your knowledge, still required?[/QUOTE]Yes still required make sure its the international yellow fever papers. Easily acquired any clinic in SP.
[QUOTE=Jet69;2752276]Nonce, I will try and find the info myself, but I will be flying SP to Medellin VIA Panama next year. From your knowledge, still required?[/QUOTE]As far as I know, still required yellow fever vax. Check this link at 3:50 [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKBYdhvA75M[/URL].
He mentioned Panama as in one of the country still required. I also checked Avianca website, and it says it. Copa airline info is a bit vague.
[URL]https://www.avianca.com/otr/en/before-your-trip/travel-documentation/vaccines/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.copaair.com/en/web/co/international-vaccination-yellow-fever[/URL]
If that was 1+ hour of negotiating and you popped out of nowhere and stold his girl in 2 seconds, I think something would have happened to you. LOL.
[QUOTE=HiddenEye;2753810]I went to Bomboa a few hours before my flight, so I went for a quick taste, and very rapidly I saw this slim blonde in the bar, who was talking to a local. So I went to the bar and asked a beer and stood right next to her, just to play my chance, then she turned to me and smiled, so I started talking to her. In less than two minutes she already gave me her rate, and I agreed 600 BRL.
When she went to the bathroom I stayed in the bar so, the guy and me were only 4 feet away. The guy was mad at me, he turned and said something I could not hear, but wasn't kind at all. The guy was a robust, boxing type man, maybe a police off duty. That's when I realized that I fucked his negotiation. If the guy would have challenged me in a more manly manner, I would have left the girl, no doubt.
Once in the room, the cute slim blonde told me he was offering her 350 and he rised to 400 BRL after half an hour of conversation. She also said that a couple of times she was paid less than agreed with one of those long lasting negotiators. So she dropped him.
Nothing happened with the guy and me, fortunately, LOL.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Fewdie;2754224]If that was 1+ hour of negotiating and you popped out of nowhere and stold his girl in 2 seconds, I think something would have happened to you. LOL.[/QUOTE]There's kind of an unwritten rule that you shouldn't try to take a girl out from under another guy. I think in my travels this has generally been respected by both the men and women.
When a girl senses a deal will not be consummated, she will disengage and pursue other men. That's her side of the equation.
I once struck a deal with a Brazilian girl and we were having drinks. A guy walked in and waved to her. She knew him and politely asked if I would let her out of her verbal agreement to go home with me. I was fine with it. There were plenty of hot women there.
I was horny, not crazy! Jajajaja.
[QUOTE=Fewdie;2754224]If that was 1+ hour of negotiating and you popped out of nowhere and stold his girl in 2 seconds, I think something would have happened to you. LOL.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=FlowState985;2753770]Prime, Miruna, and Enjoy Spa (same owner) is about r180/ r190 for half and then about r250 for 1 HR. Indy or Moah Spa (same owner) is a little less than those three. Abbobora is r330 (130 for room, 200 for girl) for 1 HR only. Also Carinas is close by and it's r350/ HR.[/QUOTE]Wish I saw this earlier. Thanks for your response.
Currently in São Paulo and looking to go out with some friends to these bar. Have been to both Cafe Photo and Scandalo and like both. We plan on going to two and the other options are Bahamas and Bamboa. Be good to get some on if either Bamboa or Bahamas are worth trying over the other two? Would be fantastic to get some advice because it could really ruin the night if we choose one that is not good. Which one has the best high end girls?
Thanks in advance.
Looks like if I have 24 hours in Sao Paulo, Scandello's is a must?
I broke the rule that night. The blonde was the only 8 in the place. The rest were 6's and I was in a rush.
Believe me, other nights where I had more time to look around, I waited very patient for the hot girls to get free.
I was in a regular boate in SP and there were hot civilian girls, was talking to a hot one and two younger guys simply started talking with her, and took her in minutes.
Younger guys don't respect this rule of thumb.
It happens in the jungle.
[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2754262]There's kind of an unwritten rule that you shouldn't try to take a girl out from under another guy. I think in my travels this has generally been respected by both the men and women.
[/QUOTE]
Miruna is a must!
[QUOTE=LufkinRules;2754592]Looks like if I have 24 hours in Sao Paulo, Scandello's is a must?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Thayerst;2754391]Currently in So Paulo and looking to go out with some friends to these bar. Have been to both Cafe Photo and Scandalo and like both. We plan on going to two and the other options are Bahamas and Bamboa. Be good to get some on if either Bamboa or Bahamas are worth trying over the other two? Would be fantastic to get some advice because it could really ruin the night if we choose one that is not good. Which one has the best high end girls?
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]The place with the most high-quality girls to choose from is (wait for it, drum roll) Scandallo. If money is not a problem Scandallo should be your 1st choice. The numbers seem to be down from when I was there in April / May. At 11 pm Friday 2 weeks ago they had a good crowd with maybe 100 girls on hand, at least 20 were tier 1 lookers.
Bomboa is like a friendly neighborhood boate. It is much smaller than Scandallo and a step down although it is still very nice and not cheap. I always have a good time when I go there like last night for example. At 10 pm Friday night the scene was good with maybe 30 girls or more, 3 to 5 were tier 1 lookers. I found a friendly, slender brunette to show me a real good time.
Bahamas: I went there for the 1st time mid-week. Late Wednesday afternoon a Scandallo girl I know texted me and asked what I was doing tonight. There was a big concert at Scandallo that night and I was thinking of going except that I knew it would be mobbed. She was planning to go to Bahamas rather than pay to get into Scandallo. I like this girl and I rate her a tier 1 Scandallo looker, so her plan sounded like a good alternative and I met her at Bahamas. At 9 pm Wednesday night I saw maybe 15 to 20 scantily clad girls including mine, a few of the girls were very sexy, like yeah, I would go upstairs with you. KKK. My girl and I stayed long enough to have a drink and to molest each other out on the veranda. So, I was impressed with the place and I want to go back and explore more on my own.
Casuara: this place is definitely a step down in class from the boates above, but it can be a real circus circus on a Friday night as in packed wall to wall with tons of girls (and yes, lots of SP dicks too), no class pretenses at this club, and there is a lot of variety on the menu. Just come in, look around, and get what you want. I like it. KKK. But, I suggest that you and your friends start out the evening somewhere else and wind up at Casuara later on if you are still going strong.
[QUOTE=LufkinRules;2754592]Looks like if I have 24 hours in Sao Paulo, Scandello's is a must?[/QUOTE]Going to depend on how much you want to spend and what day of the week you go. Wednesdays and Thursday are the best. If you get in before 7, I think it is either 250/300 R which can be used for food and drinks. Room in Scandello will cost 250/300 and of course the cost of the girl. If you have the funds and have never been, then I would recommend it. If you don't have the funds or aren't keen on spending for the girls, then I definitely wouldn't recommend.
Do write up a report no matter what you decide.
[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2754877]The place with the most high-quality girls to choose from is (wait for it, drum roll) Scandallo. If money is not a problem Scandallo should be your 1st choice. The numbers seem to be down from when I was there in April / May. At 11 pm Friday 2 weeks ago they had a good crowd with maybe 100 girls on hand, at least 20 were tier 1 lookers.
Bomboa is like a friendly neighborhood boate. It is much smaller than Scandallo and a step down although it is still very nice and not cheap. I always have a good time when I go there like last night for example. At 10 pm Friday night the scene was good with maybe 30 girls or more, 3 to 5 were tier 1 lookers. I found a friendly, slender brunette to show me a real good time.
Bahamas: I went there for the 1st time mid-week. Late Wednesday afternoon a Scandallo girl I know texted me and asked what I was doing tonight. There was a big concert at Scandallo that night and I was thinking of going except that I knew it would be mobbed. She was planning to go to Bahamas rather than pay to get into Scandallo. I like this girl and I rate her a tier 1 Scandallo looker, so her plan sounded like a good alternative and I met her at Bahamas. At 9 pm Wednesday night I saw maybe 15 to 20 scantily clad girls including mine, a few of the girls were very sexy, like yeah, I would go upstairs with you. KKK. My girl and I stayed long enough to have a drink and to molest each other out on the veranda. So, I was impressed with the place and I want to go back and explore more on my own.
Casuara: this place is definitely a step down in class from the boates above, but it can be a real circus circus on a Friday night as in packed wall to wall with tons of girls (and yes, lots of SP dicks too), no class pretenses at this club, and there is a lot of variety on the menu. Just come in, look around, and get what you want. I like it. KKK. But, I suggest that you and your friends start out the evening somewhere else and wind up at Casuara later on if you are still going strong.[/QUOTE]Circus is right, Lol, but fun.
It's called Casarao actually.
[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2754877] ...
Bahamas: I went there for the 1st time mid-week. Late Wednesday afternoon a Scandallo girl I know texted me and asked what I was doing tonight. There was a big concert at Scandallo that night and I was thinking of going except that I knew it would be mobbed. She was planning to go to Bahamas rather than pay to get into Scandallo. I like this girl and I rate her a tier 1 Scandallo looker, so her plan sounded like a good alternative and I met her at Bahamas. At 9 pm Wednesday night I saw maybe 15 to 20 scantily clad girls including mine, a few of the girls were very sexy, like yeah, I would go upstairs with you. KKK. My girl and I stayed long enough to have a drink and to molest each other out on the veranda. So, I was impressed with the place and I want to go back and explore more on my own.
...[/QUOTE]Yes, what set Bahamas apart from the other boates when I was in SP was some girls being scantily clad while others were not. Not like Casarao where all girls were in classical sexy disco outfit or Scandallo where all girls were in evening dress. At Bahamas some girls were in evening dress, others half naked. Piquant.
[QUOTE=HiddenEye;2754665]I broke the rule that night. The blonde was the only 8 in the place. The rest were 6's and I was in a rush.
Believe me, other nights where I had more time to look around, I waited very patient for the hot girls to get free.
I was in a regular boate in SP and there were hot civilian girls, was talking to a hot one and two younger guys simply started talking with her, and took her in minutes.
Younger guys don't respect this rule of thumb.
It happens in the jungle.[/QUOTE]Your situation seemed to be happenstance. She was losing interest in the other guy's pitch and you showed up. Of course, he didn't see it that way.
We all know when we are negotiating, we can assess the numbers and determine how likely we will consummate a deal. Numbers like is she an 7, 8 or 9. How many men to women in the bar. How early or late is it.
Jungle competition is more obvious in the crowded bars.
[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2754877]The place with the most high-quality girls to choose from is (wait for it, drum roll) Scandallo. If money is not a problem Scandallo should be your 1st choice. The numbers seem to be down from when I was there in April / May. At 11 pm Friday 2 weeks ago they had a good crowd with maybe 100 girls on hand, at least 20 were tier 1 lookers.
Bomboa is like a friendly neighborhood boate. It is much smaller than Scandallo and a step down although it is still very nice and not cheap. I always have a good time when I go there like last night for example. At 10 pm Friday night the scene was good with maybe 30 girls or more, 3 to 5 were tier 1 lookers. I found a friendly, slender brunette to show me a real good time.
Bahamas: I went there for the 1st time mid-week. Late Wednesday afternoon a Scandallo girl I know texted me and asked what I was doing tonight. There was a big concert at Scandallo that night and I was thinking of going except that I knew it would be mobbed. She was planning to go to Bahamas rather than pay to get into Scandallo. I like this girl and I rate her a tier 1 Scandallo looker, so her plan sounded like a good alternative and I met her at Bahamas. At 9 pm Wednesday night I saw maybe 15 to 20 scantily clad girls including mine, a few of the girls were very sexy, like yeah, I would go upstairs with you. KKK. My girl and I stayed long enough to have a drink and to molest each other out on the veranda. So, I was impressed with the place and I want to go back and explore more on my own.
Casuara: this place is definitely a step down in class from the boates above, but it can be a real circus circus on a Friday night as in packed wall to wall with tons of girls (and yes, lots of SP dicks too), no class pretenses at this club, and there is a lot of variety on the menu. Just come in, look around, and get what you want. I like it. KKK. But, I suggest that you and your friends start out the evening somewhere else and wind up at Casuara later on if you are still going strong.[/QUOTE]I went to Scandallo 3 x but I never took one home although I got many offers from girls to drive me in their cars to my hotel. How much is the bar fine?
[QUOTE=Maelstrom;2755089]...How much is the bar fine?[/QUOTE]About 250.
[QUOTE=Balboa;2754937]Circus is right, Lol, but fun.
It's called Casarao actually.[/QUOTE]Yes, another example of my Portuguese dyslexia. In verbal communication I am having trouble with ao's, rr's, and j's. A girl can be saying something to me, and I have no idea what she is saying. Out comes google translate and I easily understand the transcribed Portuguese words on the screen. It is the fucking accent that is messing around with me.
Anyway, I went to Casarao last night (Saturday night), but I arrived a little too early around 2300. It was definitely not a circus, not yet. I knew things would pick up in 60 to 90 minutes if I could just hold out, but I am not a patient guy. As it so happened, however, a tall, slender, attractive mixed-race girl sat down next to me, we started up a conversation, and the rest was history more or less. KKK. She was dressed really nice, so I decided to take her back to my hotel. We drank a little Tequila and got naked. The highlight of the night was when she moved into cowgirl and opened up another condom pack. I said, "what is that for?" and she just said, "relax darling" and then she leaned back, reached behind, and tenderly inserted a finger up my ass as we continued to shag.
So, it is good to be in SP! Tonight (Sunday night) my favorite Scandallo girl is coming over. I have been seeing a lot of her on this trip (2 or 3 times a week) because I really like her. I guess she has become my Scandallo "Girl Friend". KKK. Uh-oh.
Have you guys had an excelent experience with Soa Paulo incall girls? I fell on a bait and switch.
Long time ago I didn't ask for an incall girl, more less 10 years, so I decided to try one website that's mentioned here on ISG. I looked for a girl that seemed had little photoshop. The girl that finaly arrived was simply a different girl, but she was acceptable, a 6 that used to be a 7, maybe in her late twenties, so I let her stay and didn't start a useless confrontation.
The sensation before her arrival was something I had forgoten. Six minutes rush of adrenaline, my heart started to beat faster.
I was relaxed with the shoes off sitting on the bed watching the news, they called me from reception anauncing my "guest", so I let my door half open. It took her at least six long minutes to get to 8th floor. I heard the bell of the elevator one time before "my guest". After the second bell it was very exciting to hear her heels walking slowly from the elevator to my room, the metalic sound of her bracelets when she nocked the door. I told her to come in, then she gently closed the door, the girl finally passing the alley formed by the bathroom and the closet, her sunglasses in her hand, tight jeans, blouse and brown leather jacket sitting in the corner of the bed, her handbag that matched her shoes. Definetely a cigarette smoker, but I smoke too, so no worries.
The true sensation of facing the unknown, but not so sure if next time will be an acceptable switch. Only a couple of years older and I would have returned the merchandise, with the cost of her taxi at least, the hotel "additional guest", a senseless discusion for sure, and the waste of an entire afternoon.
The overall experince was positive for the sensations I had forgotten. I only make my picks face to face from clubs.
Right team, I had a whirlwind tour in SP, two days / 2 nights this past weekend. As a newbie to SP I followed a number of recommendations in this forum to get a feel for the place.
Clinica. Lotus Lounge.
Asked to see the line up via Whatsapp (send them a message 'TEAMS' to their number and you get back a link with glamour shots of the ladies. Sans faces in most cases. The girl I wanted was unavailable, however I asked for suggestions on an English speaking girl and they provided two currently on shift ladies. I picked the one I thought suited my needs and arranged a time. I arrived around 5 minutes late due to traffic (early Sat afternoon, coming from Itim Bibi) but was politely taken to the room by the man behind the desk. Wasn't told anything (my lack of Portuguese) but assumed I should shower. Freshened up and lay down, lady took a little longer to enter than I liked, but when she did arrive, full of apologies and her English was very good. Promised to take care of me. Massage started, very good. Not oriental by any stretch of the imagination, but sufficed to unlock a few knotted muscles. Onto the action shortly after, very GFE, lots of DFK (warned to use the mouthwash. Which is on-hand in the bathroom) and lots of action. Finished with me kneeling over her and covering her tits. Good session and we had an instant connection, discussing our lives etc. Building a rapport. I will be back. The only thing that surprised me was the donation. 350 to the house and similar to the lady, in all it was 680 r, which I was a little surprised at, but still a lot cheaper than where I normally monger. I somehow got my wires crossed and assumed it was lower. Maybe I got the gringo price. Or maybe I was expecting Argentina prices (just flew in from there. Don't bother reading their forum its as dead as their currency).
Boates. Lotus Club.
Didn't realise until the 2nd night, that my accommodation was a 5 min walk away from Lotus Club. Due to proximity and me being lazy, thought I would saunter down there on the Sat night. Big mistake. Full of civilians. Talk about the housewives of Jardins. Bar area was packed with what looked like a work get together. All civilians, no girls to speak of. Maybe a low night, but luckily the staff offered to show me around before I paid anything, and were very apologetic when I looked despondent. They knew what I was after and they suggested Cafe Photo. A quick google search put it in proximity to Lotus Lounge, so Uber was arranged and off I went.
Boates. Cafe Photo.
Arrival was good. Bouncers and staff showed no dickery and I was in like a shot. For those on their first time in Sao Paulo. Its something I haven't seen before, you get a card on which your bar tab is accumulated. In normal bars, it acts as it should, while in the boates I am assuming its a minimum spend. Please correct me if I am wrong. No fingerprint required, but I did see the scanner on the counter. Into the main bar, and the ratio was around 20 girls and 8 punters. Reasonable odds. As I'm a smoker I headed upstairs to the smoking area, another couple of ladies floating in here. Lady in white caught my attention and she sauntered over on the pretext of bumming a light. Had a very quick convo saying I don't have (again my Portuguese let me down), but she flitted off with some friends when we couldn't communicate. Tall, leggy, enhanced and a little thick (voluptuous), but with a very cute face. I had a wander round keeping my options open. There were 2 girls I would class as 9's, the remainder between 7 and 9. Anyway I passed the lady in white and asked her to join me back outside for a smoke. Lots of google translate, a few drinks and laughs at our awkward language issues and I invited her back to the hotel. She offered 800 for a few hours, which given the prices I normally pay, I thought was a deal. So off we went. Lots of GFE experience, mixed with a bit of PSE to finish. No rush on the clock and she ended up staying for a lot longer than expected. She's a student (which matches previous reports here) and we actually got on very, very well. Will have to keep her in my back pocket for next time I'm out. Again I may have paid the gringo price, but I got what I wanted and at a price I was happy with. So I cannot complain at all.
Ok, all in all a good couple of days. For those uninitiated, there is an overload of info in these forums. Read it, learn the trending spots and don't be afraid to venture out. My suggestions for those short on time. Clinica's are the way to go. Don't be tight, go to the higher end ones. As in most places you get what you pay for. For those with free nights. Cafe Photo is reasonable. I have little to compare against, but will check out Scandallo this coming weekend. Also for the newbies. Sunday is dead, Saturday is a quieter night than in North America, Europe or others. Factor this into your monger time.
Also as a last note. Brazilian girls are fantastic. Friendly, outgoing and most keep themselves in very good shape. Even those born with big bones. They are all curvy and sexy. Shame about the jealousy issues I've heard about, else one of them could be my next wife.
[QUOTE=CheekyDarky;2755213]Right team, I had a whirlwind tour in SP, two days / 2 nights this past weekend. As a newbie to SP I followed a number of recommendations in this forum to get a feel for the place.
Clinica. Lotus Lounge.
Asked to see the line up via Whatsapp (send them a message 'TEAMS' to their number and you get back a link with glamour shots of the ladies. Sans faces in most cases. The girl I wanted was unavailable, however I asked for suggestions on an English speaking girl and they provided two currently on shift ladies. I picked the one I thought suited my needs and arranged a time. I arrived around 5 minutes late due to traffic (early Sat afternoon, coming from Itim Bibi) but was politely taken to the room by the man behind the desk. Wasn't told anything (my lack of Portuguese) but assumed I should shower. Freshened up and lay down, lady took a little longer to enter than I liked, but when she did arrive, full of apologies and her English was very good. Promised to take care of me. Massage started, very good. Not oriental by any stretch of the imagination, but sufficed to unlock a few knotted muscles. Onto the action shortly after, very GFE, lots of DFK (warned to use the mouthwash. Which is on-hand in the bathroom) and lots of action. Finished with me kneeling over her and covering her tits. Good session and we had an instant connection, discussing our lives etc. Building a rapport. I will be back. The only thing that surprised me was the donation. 350 to the house and similar to the lady, in all it was 680 r, which I was a little surprised at, but still a lot cheaper than where I normally monger. I somehow got my wires crossed and assumed it was lower. Maybe I got the gringo price. Or maybe I was expecting Argentina prices (just flew in from there. Don't bother reading their forum its as dead as their currency).
Boates. Lotus Club.
Didn't realise until the 2nd night, that my accommodation was a 5 min walk away from Lotus Club. Due to proximity and me being lazy, thought I would saunter down there on the Sat night. Big mistake. Full of civilians. Talk about the housewives of Jardins. Bar area was packed with what looked like a work get together. All civilians, no girls to speak of. Maybe a low night, but luckily the staff offered to show me around before I paid anything, and were very apologetic when I looked despondent. They knew what I was after and they suggested Cafe Photo. A quick google search put it in proximity to Lotus Lounge, so Uber was arranged and off I went.
Boates. Cafe Photo.
Arrival was good. Bouncers and staff showed no dickery and I was in like a shot. For those on their first time in Sao Paulo. Its something I haven't seen before, you get a card on which your bar tab is accumulated. In normal bars, it acts as it should, while in the boates I am assuming its a minimum spend. Please correct me if I am wrong. No fingerprint required, but I did see the scanner on the counter. Into the main bar, and the ratio was around 20 girls and 8 punters. Reasonable odds. As I'm a smoker I headed upstairs to the smoking area, another couple of ladies floating in here. Lady in white caught my attention and she sauntered over on the pretext of bumming a light. Had a very quick convo saying I don't have (again my Portuguese let me down), but she flitted off with some friends when we couldn't communicate. Tall, leggy, enhanced and a little thick (voluptuous), but with a very cute face. I had a wander round keeping my options open. There were 2 girls I would class as 9's, the remainder between 7 and 9. Anyway I passed the lady in white and asked her to join me back outside for a smoke. Lots of google translate, a few drinks and laughs at our awkward language issues and I invited her back to the hotel. She offered 800 for a few hours, which given the prices I normally pay, I thought was a deal. So off we went. Lots of GFE experience, mixed with a bit of PSE to finish. No rush on the clock and she ended up staying for a lot longer than expected. She's a student (which matches previous reports here) and we actually got on very, very well. Will have to keep her in my back pocket for next time I'm out. Again I may have paid the gringo price, but I got what I wanted and at a price I was happy with. So I cannot complain at all.
Ok, all in all a good couple of days. For those uninitiated, there is an overload of info in these forums. Read it, learn the trending spots and don't be afraid to venture out. My suggestions for those short on time. Clinica's are the way to go. Don't be tight, go to the higher end ones. As in most places you get what you pay for. For those with free nights. Cafe Photo is reasonable. I have little to compare against, but will check out Scandallo this coming weekend. Also for the newbies. Sunday is dead, Saturday is a quieter night than in North America, Europe or others. Factor this into your monger time.
Also as a last note. Brazilian girls are fantastic. Friendly, outgoing and most keep themselves in very good shape. Even those born with big bones. They are all curvy and sexy. Shame about the jealousy issues I've heard about, else one of them could be my next wife.[/QUOTE]Fantastic report. Weekends seem to be bad days for the boates like Scandallo (which was packed with girls wed and thurs) when I was there. I learned from my last trip to save the weekends for Clinicas like Moema Prime and Clinica Miruna which are open on Sundays, or have a boate girl from Scandallo or Cafe Photo come over on the weekends. There is one spot I wanted to check out but never got to because it was so far out Club Connection, will have to check it out next trip.
How was the Lotus Lounge Lineup??
[QUOTE=CheekyDarky;2755213]Clinica. Lotus Lounge.
Asked to see the line up via Whatsapp (send them a message 'TEAMS' to their number and you get back a link with glamour shots of the ladies. Sans faces in most cases. The girl I wanted was unavailable, however I asked for suggestions on an English speaking girl and they provided two currently on shift ladies. I picked the one I thought suited my needs and arranged a time. I arrived around 5 minutes late due to traffic (early Sat afternoon, coming from Itim Bibi) but was politely taken to the room by the man behind the desk. Wasn't told anything (my lack of Portuguese) but assumed I should shower. Freshened up and lay down, lady took a little longer to enter than I liked, but when she did arrive, full of apologies and her English was very good. Promised to take care of me. Massage started, very good. Not oriental by any stretch of the imagination, but sufficed to unlock a few knotted muscles. Onto the action shortly after, very GFE, lots of DFK (warned to use the mouthwash. Which is on-hand in the bathroom) and lots of action. Finished with me kneeling over her and covering her tits. Good session and we had an instant connection, discussing our lives etc. Building a rapport. I will be back. The only thing that surprised me was the donation. 350 to the house and similar to the lady, in all it was 680 r, which I was a little surprised at, but still a lot cheaper than where I normally monger. I somehow got my wires crossed and assumed it was lower. Maybe I got the gringo price.[/QUOTE]It's not gringo price. Screenshot from gpguia.
Hi ISGers,
So I am soon going to SP on my first trip there in just e few days. Normally I do as much research as I can, and I have done that this time also but I still have a a few questions I don't seem to figure out.
1) I do understand that Scandalo is a good (though expensive) place to check out, but I guess there are also other similar places around town? What are the differences in between them? Size? Selection? Price?
And what opening hours do the have and when is it best to go there (I'm guessing nighttime?
2) For daytime fun, what is the best choice? Clinicas or are there any bars you would recommend with. How does the clinicas work? Is there a line up or presentation or do you have to do a booking in advance? Prices? Opening hours? Recommendations?
3) online escort webpages. What are the best options here?
If anyone would meet up in SP, I'm in.
[QUOTE=Maelstrom;2755287]Fantastic report. Weekends seem to be bad days for the boates like Scandallo (which was packed with girls wed and thurs) when I was there. I learned from my last trip to save the weekends for Clinicas like Moema Prime and Clinica Miruna which are open on Sundays, or have a boate girl from Scandallo or Cafe Photo come over on the weekends. There is one spot I wanted to check out but never got to because it was so far out Club Connection, will have to check it out next trip.
How was the Lotus Lounge Lineup??[/QUOTE]Thanks for the heads up on the Cinicas that are open on a Sunday. I assumed (again should read the forum a little deeper for clues) that all places were shut on Sundays.
The line up was average, if a little anemic. Even receiving the lineup from their direct link there were maybe 5 girls, two of whom could speak English and not having their faces shown it was a bit of a crapshoot what I was going to get. Luckily the girl I got was exactly my type. Little pocket rocket, but oozed the GFE. Seems like the city is very quiet in the weekends. My next visit will make a mental note to try the week.
As an aside, does anyone here have details for Santos. It seems like the pickings are very thin. I'm stuck here for the remainder of the week and it's not a topic I can broach with my team here, as I have to play the corporate leader LOL. I'm sure its available (christ I've mongered in conflict zones) but seems like a very poor cousin to the offerings in Sao Paulo.
[QUOTE=Nordico;2755329]It's not gringo price. Screenshot from gpguia.[/QUOTE]Thanks mate for the confirmation.
My flight and the girl being an 8 to my tastes. Those were the reasons.
The only thing I can say on my favor is that I stand in the bar like waiting nothing, and she turned and smiled to me. I didn't break "Mike Tison's" negotiation LOL.
[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2755060]Your situation seemed to be happenstance. She was losing interest in the other guy's pitch and you showed up. Of course, he didn't see it that way.
We all know when we are negotiating, we can assess the numbers and determine how likely we will consummate a deal. Numbers like is she an 7, 8 or 9. How many men to women in the bar. How early or late is it.
Jungle competition is more obvious in the crowded bars.[/QUOTE]
Hi,
I have searched several pages but could not find anything definitive.
I will be in Sao Paulo for 4 nights and looking for a 2 bedroom option either hotel or airbnb. First time in SP, want to do both boates and possibly bring girls back to the hotel.
Any recommendations where to stay, how to pick girl friendly airbnbs or if you can send me a few that are good I would appreciate that!!
Thanks in advance!
[QUOTE=AllAboutTer;2756092]I will be in Sao Paulo for 4 nights and looking for a 2 bedroom option either hotel or airbnb. First time in SP, want to do both boates and possibly bring girls back to the hotel.
Any recommendations where to stay, how to pick girl friendly airbnbs or if you can send me a few that are good I would appreciate that!![/QUOTE]As far as Airbnb's goes, pretty much all of them can be girl friendly as long as you are discreet. I've stayed at several different apartments throughout SP and never had a problem bringing up girls. Some apartment buildings will have a front desk with security, some will not. Truth of the matter is, nobody in Brazil cares. Just make sure the girls are dressed appropriately.
I always book Airbnb's for 2 person. And with the host asks, I just tell them the other guest will arrive later.
I'm not familiar with the hotels so I will let other chime in on that.
[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon;2756268]As far as Airbnb's goes, pretty much all of them can be girl friendly as long as you are discreet. I've stayed at several different apartments throughout SP and never had a problem bringing up girls. Some apartment buildings will have a front desk with security, some will not. Truth of the matter is, nobody in Brazil cares. Just make sure the girls are dressed appropriately....[/QUOTE]This is my experience as well. But one has to read the rules and it may say no guest mostly due to COVID, and that usually is the policy of the building.
ID checking is for two things. Confirm your guest is 18+ and she has not been banned from the place.
It didn't happen to me in Brasil, but it did in Dominicana and Medellin, they had a list of banned girls because of common robbery. Girls when leaving the place walked in open rooms and took belongins of passengers.
Not a cheap hotel in Medellin, a 5 star hotel during an IT convention.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2756324]This is my experience as well. But one has to read the rules and it may say no guest mostly due to COVID, and that usually is the policy of the building.[/QUOTE]
I'm planning a second trip to Sao Paulo in the near future, and clinicas were my go-to. However while I was often shown pictures on a phone in house, I didn't really realize they have like a Whatsapp group where they send out pictures of the girls working. Random question, but if I text the clinicas whatsapp number to get in those groups, what should I say? I'm sure I could figure it out while I'm down there, but it'd be nice to hit the ground running. Thanks.
Not sure if they are true twins or not. Thought someone would be interested in finding out and posting their findings.
[URL]https://br.skokka.com/acompanhantes/sao-paulo/piera-acompanhante-em-sao-paulo-sp-br7q9dyac/[/URL]
[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2754702]Miruna is a must![/QUOTE]I didn't know you were a wealth of info on Sao Paulo as well. Now I really want to meet up in Rio to pick your brain!
[QUOTE=HiddenEye;2755200]Have you guys had an excelent experience with Soa Paulo incall girls? I fell on a bait and switch.
The true sensation of facing the unknown, but not so sure if next time will be an acceptable switch. Only a couple of years older and I would have returned the merchandise, with the cost of her taxi at least, the hotel "additional guest", a senseless discusion for sure, and the waste of an entire afternoon.
[/QUOTE]I think you meant 'outcall'. Incall is when you visit the lady's place.
[QUOTE=JZeleznik;2756678]I'm planning a second trip to Sao Paulo in the near future, and clinicas were my go-to. However while I was often shown pictures on a phone in house, I didn't really realize they have like a Whatsapp group where they send out pictures of the girls working. Random question, but if I text the clinicas whatsapp number to get in those groups, what should I say? I'm sure I could figure it out while I'm down there, but it'd be nice to hit the ground running. Thanks.[/QUOTE]You can try but it didn't work for me. I made sure I was added while on site.
[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2756723]Not sure if they are true twins or not. Thought someone would be interested in finding out and posting their findings.
[URL]https://br.skokka.com/acompanhantes/sao-paulo/piera-acompanhante-em-sao-paulo-sp-br7q9dyac/[/URL][/QUOTE]Looks too good to be true but then again could be real!
Someone should check it out too se although if real could be really expensive I'd imagine.
She's a fashion model, Judith Fuster. Total Fake, not escort.
By the way, I can find faces with face recognition.
[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2756723]Not sure if they are true twins or not. Thought someone would be interested in finding out and posting their findings.
[URL]https://br.skokka.com/acompanhantes/sao-paulo/piera-acompanhante-em-sao-paulo-sp-br7q9dyac/[/URL][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=AllAboutTer;2756092]Hi,
I have searched several pages but could not find anything definitive.
I will be in Sao Paulo for 4 nights and looking for a 2 bedroom option either hotel or airbnb. First time in SP, want to do both boates and possibly bring girls back to the hotel.
Any recommendations where to stay, how to pick girl friendly airbnbs or if you can send me a few that are good I would appreciate that!!
Thanks in advance![/QUOTE]I have stayed at several hotels, Marriott Executive Apartments, Renaissance, Hilton, and Airbnb. I have had no issues at any of the hotels having girls come to me. At one Airbnb (hotel like with front desk) the guy said I had to pay extra for the girl. I informed him I had paid for 2 occupants and he let it go at that. Now I always book for 2 and don't have issues.
[QUOTE=HiddenEye;2757302]She's a fashion model, Judith Fuster. Total Fake, not escort.
By the way, I can find faces with face recognition.[/QUOTE]Good find HiddenEye.
[URL]https://www.instagram.com/judithtwins[/URL]
Even Photoacompanhantes is trying to eliminate fake listings. But its hard for these types websites to takedown all the fake listings. So you got to do due diligence.
Qual meninas vc ten hoje?
Qual garotas vc ten HJ?
[QUOTE=JZeleznik;2756678]I'm planning a second trip to Sao Paulo in the near future, and clinicas were my go-to. However while I was often shown pictures on a phone in house, I didn't really realize they have like a Whatsapp group where they send out pictures of the girls working. Random question, but if I text the clinicas whatsapp number to get in those groups, what should I say? I'm sure I could figure it out while I'm down there, but it'd be nice to hit the ground running. Thanks.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=TheCritic;2757397]Good find HiddenEye.
[URL]https://www.instagram.com/judithtwins[/URL]
Even Photoacompanhantes is trying to eliminate fake listings. But its hard for these types websites to takedown all the fake listings. So you got to do due diligence.[/QUOTE]You can also find her on Onlyfans. Maybe she'll come over if you ask?
[URL]https://onlyfans.com/judithtwins[/URL]
I do not know all. But Miruna had no shit porn stars like Kamila Werneck and Cindy Blueberry. Though I always prefer new to the biz teens. Happy sport fucking sports fans from the Great Santini!
[QUOTE=LufkinRules;2756772]I didn't know you were a wealth of info on Sao Paulo as well. Now I really want to meet up in Rio to pick your brain![/QUOTE]
Thanks TheCritic,
Few weeks ago a fell into a bait and switch scheme, but it was an acceptable one after contacting a "next door girl profile". The excuse of the girl was "she's actually my friend, but she could not come". The switch was acceptable.
Fashion model's pics are used all over the web to bait and switch. To identify them is quite easy with face recognition algorithms and sites like pimeyes that I know very well. I'm sure many of the guys here on ISG, IT capable, know the technology even better than me.
For example there is a super hot Spanish model named Melania Puntas, a model close to colleague photographers, who's pics are so widely used as fake escort profiles. There are literally hundreds of sites where Melania's pics are used. Try reverse image search on google and you'll agree with me.
If the pic on the profile looks like an "instagram star", the chances of a bait ans switch are simply too high.
[QUOTE=TheCritic;2757397]Good find HiddenEye.
[URL]https://www.instagram.com/judithtwins[/URL]
Even Photoacompanhantes is trying to eliminate fake listings. But its hard for these types websites to takedown all the fake listings. So you got to do due diligence.[/QUOTE]1.
Yes thanks Kib123, should have said outcall.
[QUOTE=Kib123;2756799]I think you meant 'outcall'. Incall is when you visit the lady's place.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, she's hot, but there are comments and free content, like the link below. She doesn't seem to reply PMs and to spend US $19,90 just to open the DM channel. It's your money, not mine.
[URL]https://forums.socialmediagirls.com/threads/judith-fuster-twin.40166/[/URL]
The only way to pick such beauties for money is face to face in places like Scandallo, some times Cafe Photo and private events and Brazilian electronic scene.
[QUOTE=DustyRode;2757431]You can also find her on Onlyfans. Maybe she'll come over if you ask?
[URL]https://onlyfans.com/judithtwins[/URL][/QUOTE]
90% just fakes. Not only in Brasil, also in Mexico. In Mexico I was even threatened and blackmailed by one after texting to a few WhatsApp numbers. Luckily I used a second, unregistered tel no.
[QUOTE=Bearsi;2757094]Looks too good to be true but then again could be real!
Someone should check it out too se although if real could be really expensive I'd imagine.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2757398]Qual meninas vc ten hoje?
Qual garotas vc ten HJ?[/QUOTE]Quais. Tem.
[QUOTE=Nitro2000;2757749]90% just fakes. Not only in Brasil, also in Mexico. In Mexico I was even threatened and blackmailed by one after texting to a few WhatsApp numbers. Luckily I used a second, unregistered tel no.[/QUOTE]I had to try everything during the lock down 3 years ago in Colombia. I tried nearly 100 girls. I tried Skokka, Photoprepagos, and Milerotica with a 25% success rate of getting what was advertised. The girls simply did not exist, photo shopped, used pix before they popped out 3 kids, suddenly their phone falls dead, no shows, and the list goes on. I also was threatened. The one time I used my real picture as my Whatsapp icon. The girl (most likely a guy) threatened to tell all my friends and family through FB, Insta, etc. I was after hookers. I am self employed and told her to go for it. I love street girls.
Feel stupid now about the twins. I looked at a bigger picture and recognize that I have seen them on other websites in the past.
[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2757852]..... I also was threatened. The one time I used my real picture as my Whatsapp icon. The girl (most likely a guy) threatened to tell all my friends and family through FB, Insta, etc. I was after hookers.....[/QUOTE]Recently a hooker somehow hacked my whatsapp account and forwarded as coming from me an ad for escort services to some of my contacts. I have no idea how she did it as I had previously blocked her.
Anyone in sao paulo tmrw? I'll likely be hitting up scandallo.
[QUOTE=Rextor;2758309]Anyone in sao paulo tmrw? I'll likely be hitting up scandallo.[/QUOTE]If you are talking about Thursday, I will be at Scandallo, Friday it will be Bomboa. I had great time last Friday at Bomboa. Not so packed as in weekdays, but lots of nice girls.
Did you let her use your phone while you were.
In the bathroom?
[QUOTE=Turgid;2758134]Recently a hooker somehow hacked my whatsapp account and forwarded as coming from me an ad for escort services to some of my contacts. I have no idea how she did it as I had previously blocked her.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Nordico;2758378]If you are talking about Thursday, I will be at Scandallo, Friday it will be Bomboa. I had great time last Friday at Bomboa. Not so packed as in weekdays, but lots of nice girls.[/QUOTE]Would you please give some more details about Bamboa? Entry fee, number of girls, price they are going to ask, service provided. Thanks!
[QUOTE=RioFan1;2758434]Would you please give some more details about Bamboa? Entry fee, number of girls, price they are going to ask, service provided. Thanks![/QUOTE]There is no entry fee. The minimum consumption is 300 + 10%. I have never really counted the number of girls, but I assume 30-50 depending on day. Tuesday to Thursday are the busiest, but I liked Friday, because it was less crowded with maybe 30 girls and many striptease shows. Nobody has asked me to buy expensive drinks like tropical gin, but I have bought quite a few beers, because I don't like to drink alone. I don't know the price of beer, because I never checked my bill when I paid. Very relaxed atmosphere. There is more information about Bomboa few pages back.
I'm at Scandallo right now and it's the best I have ever seen it. I'm not an expert because Bomboa is my go to place, even if I have been here few times before. The ratio is about 2 to 1 to my favor. There are some girls I would rate 6, some 7's and most are in the range 8-9 and I'm optimistic that I'm going to meet the famous 10, who nobody has ever seen, but we all dream about. I'm eating sushi and some 5 girls are staring at me. I'm not sure if I'm some kind of sex symbol for them or they just desire to empty my wallet. It's going to be a very good night. I must stop now, because I think I saw The 10.
[QUOTE=Fewdie;2758382]Did you let her use your phone while you were.
In the bathroom?[/QUOTE]Obviously not. No hooker has ever seen my phone, much less touch it. No one touches my phone but me.
They are smelling the bills in your wallet.
Enjoy, and choose smart. And never. Absolutely never ever let them choose you. You have to make the decision and choose one, because in 9 of 10 cases, if they choose you, you will not be satisfied at the end.
And one more recommendation: don't stay at one place. Move around. Slowly, but steady. If not, one of the ladies will get ya even if you don't really want her.
[QUOTE=Nordico;2758700]I'm at Scandallo right now and it's the best I have ever seen it. I'm not an expert because Bomboa is my go to place, even if I have been here few times before. The ratio is about 2 to 1 to my favor. There are some girls I would rate 6, some 7's and most are in the range 8-9 and I'm optimistic that I'm going to meet the famous 10, who nobody has ever seen, but we all dream about. I'm eating sushi and some 5 girls are staring at me. I'm not sure if I'm some kind of sex symbol for them or they just desire to empty my wallet. It's going to be a very good night. I must stop now, because I think I saw The 10.[/QUOTE]
Oh yeah, great place to eat and be eaten with the eyes, in the Scandallo's restaurants and corners.
Last month there was an old guy who looked like an intellectual or polititian, with tie bow and thick glasses, in the smoking area (fumodromo) sorounded by 3 super hot 9's and 10's. Those girls were simply "show de bola". That table was worth watching LOL.
Enjoy!
[QUOTE=Nordico;2758700]I'm at Scandallo right now and it's the best I have ever seen it. I'm not an expert because Bomboa is my go to place, even if I have been here few times before. The ratio is about 2 to 1 to my favor. There are some girls I would rate 6, some 7's and most are in the range 8-9 and I'm optimistic that I'm going to meet the famous 10, who nobody has ever seen, but we all dream about. I'm eating sushi and some 5 girls are staring at me. I'm not sure if I'm some kind of sex symbol for them or they just desire to empty my wallet. It's going to be a very good night. I must stop now, because I think I saw The 10.[/QUOTE]
Hi fellas!
Making my first visit down to Brazil! I have done many visits to Hong Kong in Tijuana! Absolutely amazing and wonderful time to have.
I've been reading the forum and it looks like Scandallo is the place to go? How much are the girls asking? What is the short time room cost?
I'll be visiting Rio as well so hoping to get a taste of Brazil on my short trip when I'm away from the fam.
Hi guys,
I was in SP last week and went to a massage house, that was fabulous. Its the reserva lux near the Santa Cruz metro. They showed some ten fantastic girls, all very beautiful and nice. I went with Sabrina, and had the time of my life. The house is very clean, modern, with all the comfort, and I felt very safe there.
The owner, Mary, super nice and available to make me feel at home. Check the site if you want to spend a fantastic afternoon.
[QUOTE=Alohagd;2759070]...
I've been reading the forum and it looks like Scandallo is the place to go? How much are the girls asking? What is the short time room cost?...[/QUOTE]Just counter with 50% what she first quotes you.
[QUOTE=Nordico;2758378]If you are talking about Thursday, I will be at Scandallo, Friday it will be Bomboa. I had great time last Friday at Bomboa. Not so packed as in weekdays, but lots of nice girls.[/QUOTE]Hi Nordico,
Could you give some more details about your experience at Bomboa?
[QUOTE=Maelstrom;2755287]Fantastic report. Weekends seem to be bad days for the boates like Scandallo (which was packed with girls wed and thurs) when I was there. I learned from my last trip to save the weekends for Clinicas like Moema Prime and Clinica Miruna which are open on Sundays, or have a boate girl from Scandallo or Cafe Photo come over on the weekends. There is one spot I wanted to check out but never got to because it was so far out Club Connection, will have to check it out next trip.
How was the Lotus Lounge Lineup??[/QUOTE]Hi Maelstrom.
Your tip on what is open on Sundays near Moema is wonderful. Do you know about any other clinica open on Sundays around this area?
Best,
Juan.
[QUOTE=CheekyDarky;2755785]Thanks for the heads up on the Cinicas that are open on a Sunday. I assumed (again should read the forum a little deeper for clues) that all places were shut on Sundays.
The line up was average, if a little anemic. Even receiving the lineup from their direct link there were maybe 5 girls, two of whom could speak English and not having their faces shown it was a bit of a crapshoot what I was going to get. Luckily the girl I got was exactly my type. Little pocket rocket, but oozed the GFE. Seems like the city is very quiet in the weekends. My next visit will make a mental note to try the week.
As an aside, does anyone here have details for Santos. It seems like the pickings are very thin. I'm stuck here for the remainder of the week and it's not a topic I can broach with my team here, as I have to play the corporate leader LOL. I'm sure its available (christ I've mongered in conflict zones) but seems like a very poor cousin to the offerings in Sao Paulo.[/QUOTE]Hi Ceeky Darky.
Did you discover any other clinica open on Sundays?
True. Even if they are hot. I always decline the ones that come up to me first.
[QUOTE=Nitro2000;2758857]They are smelling the bills in your wallet.
Enjoy, and choose smart. And never. Absolutely never ever let them choose you. You have to make the decision and choose one, because in 9 of 10 cases, if they choose you, you will not be satisfied at the end.
And one more recommendation: don't stay at one place. Move around. Slowly, but steady. If not, one of the ladies will get ya even if you don't really want her.[/QUOTE]
That is strange, I'm trying to think of how they were able to access your whatsapp user account. They must have some type of admin access or cloned the account somehow.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2758829]Obviously not. No hooker has ever seen my phone, much less touch it. No one touches my phone but me.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Fewdie;2759423]That is strange, I'm trying to think of how they were able to access your whatsapp user account. They must have some type of admin access or cloned the account somehow.[/QUOTE]It is quite perplexing. I know a guy whose facebook account was hacked. No passing off on the profile, his actual account.
It happened to a colleague. He left a Whatsapp session opened in a PC. He was miles away and the user still logged.
Chats, contacts, everything available.
There is an option to close all sessions on the phone. You must be sure there are no other active sessions.
[QUOTE=Fewdie;2759423]That is strange, I'm trying to think of how they were able to access your whatsapp user account. They must have some type of admin access or cloned the account somehow.[/QUOTE]
I'll be staying in the osasco area and would love some input on places to go like clinicia. I want to report out on my experience but not sure what's in this area and not good luck Google it. Much appreciated and look forward to reporting my experience.
[QUOTE=HiddenEye;2759990]It happened to a colleague. He left a Whatsapp session opened in a PC. He was miles away and the user still logged.
Chats, contacts, everything available.
There is an option to close all sessions on the phone. You must be sure there are no other active sessions.[/QUOTE]Damn, that's it. I used Whatsapp on my PC as well as on my phone. It must have been hacked via PC.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2760207]Damn, that's it. I used Whatsapp on my PC as well as on my phone. It must have been hacked via PC.[/QUOTE]Probably cloned the phone number to get the switch device.
Must be some security glitch, I just switched Samsung phones and used smart switch a native app, it transferred everything on to my new phone without deactivating the old phone account so I got messages on one or the other phone but not duplicates.
Getting ready for the ruckus F1 week in SP, anyone going?
Interesting area you're going.
Used to live in the Butantan area for years, the music played there is funk. And girls dance butt slapping in bars. I would go with a wingman to those places.
A girl from Cafe Photo didn't want to go with me to Butantan because it was close to "Osaskistan".
[QUOTE=Alohagd;2760041]I'll be staying in the osasco area and would love some input on places to go like clinicia. I want to report out on my experience but not sure what's in this area and not good luck Google it. Much appreciated and look forward to reporting my experience.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Alohagd;2760041]I'll be staying in the osasco area and would love some input on places to go like clinicia. I want to report out on my experience but not sure what's in this area and not good luck Google it. Much appreciated and look forward to reporting my experience.[/QUOTE]On the local forum gp-[URL]guia.net[/URL] there is section of the outer SP areas including Osasco. Use google translate.
[QUOTE=AlbhaRimon;2759352]Hi Ceeky Darky.
Did you discover any other clinica open on Sundays?[/QUOTE]Search this forum. Lots of info here. You will find your answer by searching for Sundays clinicas.
[QUOTE=JZeleznik;2756678]I'm planning a second trip to Sao Paulo in the near future, and clinicas were my go-to. However while I was often shown pictures on a phone in house, I didn't really realize they have like a Whatsapp group where they send out pictures of the girls working. Random question, but if I text the clinicas whatsapp number to get in those groups, what should I say? I'm sure I could figure it out while I'm down there, but it'd be nice to hit the ground running. Thanks.[/QUOTE]For many of the clinicas, I able to get added to the clinicas WhatsApp status group by texting them. I just ask them to please add me to their WhatsApp status in Portuguese. Some clinicas will only add you when you are physically there at the reception.
[QUOTE=Alohagd;2760041]I'll be staying in the osasco area and would love some input on places to go like clinicia. I want to report out on my experience but not sure what's in this area and not good luck Google it. Much appreciated and look forward to reporting my experience.[/QUOTE]1) Clinica Pedra the Lua: Rua Nico Branco, 215.
2) Massagem Osasco: Natanael Tito Salmon, 313.
[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2755143]Yes, another example of my Portuguese dyslexia. In verbal communication I am having trouble with ao's, rr's, and j's. A girl can be saying something to me, and I have no idea what she is saying. Out comes google translate and I easily understand the transcribed Portuguese words on the screen. [/QUOTE]What is your most useful translator tool? Lots out there but require internet access. Thank you.
Heading to Rio for 3 weeks and just decided I should take a couple of days to fly into Sao Paulo.
Thinking of Sunday-Thursday in Sao Paulo.
Can any let me know if these are good days to be in Sao Paulo? Thank you.
[QUOTE=PilotPete;2760651]What is your most useful translator tool? Lots out there but require internet access. Thank you.[/QUOTE]Google translate. Yes, you will need FAST internet access. That is one of the reasons why I pay up and buy T-Mobil's 30 day International Pass for $50. Fast download speeds. Another quick solution is to ask for the bars (boates) wi-fi password. But if the music is too loud in the boate, the Goggle mic won't pick up the conversation and you and your girl will have to resort to typing what you want Google to translate.
[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2760831]Google translate. Yes, you will need FAST internet access. That is one of the reasons why I pay up and buy T-Mobil's 30 day International Pass for $50. Fast download speeds. Another quick solution is to ask for the bars (boates) wi-fi password. But if the music is too loud in the boate, the Goggle mic won't pick up the conversation and you and your girl will have to resort to typing what you want Google to translate.[/QUOTE]TIM 5 g is pretty fast. I paid BRL10 for the SIM and added BRL40 for data, which lasted more than 15 days. The last result is my hotel WiFi.
[QUOTE=MasterOfNone;2760652]Heading to Rio for 3 weeks and just decided I should take a couple of days to fly into Sao Paulo.
Thinking of Sunday-Thursday in Sao Paulo.
Can any let me know if these are good days to be in Sao Paulo? Thank you.[/QUOTE]Leaving from Rio on Sunday is a good strategy. You will also catch the best nights at Scandallo in Sao Paulo.
[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2760913]Leaving from Rio on Sunday is a good strategy. You will also catch the best nights at Scandallo in Sao Paulo.[/QUOTE]Perfect! Thanks for the input. I didn't have much time to research Sau Paulo since this was last minute so I figured I would be spending my time there in Scandallo!
[QUOTE=MasterOfNone;2760938]... so I figured I would be spending my time there in Scandallo![/QUOTE]You can go to Casarão on Sunday and Monday.
Headed to San Paulo! Was wondering what clubs you would recommend for these nights. Will be my first time in the city. Thanks in advance!
[QUOTE=CheekyDarky;2755213]
maybe I was expecting Argentina prices (just flew in from there [/QUOTE]Hello friend, would you share some tips on venues in Argentina, please? Thanks.
Does anyone else know places to go in BA? The Argentina forum is pretty died.
Puerto Madero spots are the place to start. There you'll find many sugar type girls. Expensive but high quality.
Night clubs with escorts in Baires, just skeep them. Total waste of time and money.
Argentina economy is not doing well as you already know, but it doesn't mean the night action will be inexpensive.
[QUOTE=DonMedellin;2761342]Hello friend, would you share some tips on venues in Argentina, please? Thanks.
Does anyone else know places to go in BA? The Argentina forum is pretty died.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=TallDarkUsa;2761083]Headed to San Paulo! Was wondering what clubs you would recommend for these nights. Will be my first time in the city. Thanks in advance![/QUOTE]If I had only two nights for clubbing on Sunday, Bahamas (don't know if Casarao is open on Sunday) Monday early evening Scandallo, later Cafe Foto, Bomboa and then back to Scandallo.
[QUOTE=TallDarkUsa;2761083]Headed to San Paulo! Was wondering what clubs you would recommend for these nights. Will be my first time in the city. Thanks in advance![/QUOTE]Definitely avoid casarao on Saturday nights! The local younger guys really show up in force on this night and it is harder but not impossible to land good talent. There's just way too much competition on the Saturday night club floor. I wish I could provide an estimated male: female ratio during my last time there but I will say that there were way way way more punters than Garotas on the clock. Strolled down there with my wingman after arriving around midnight and we didn't even honor our consumption cards. We took 2-3 laps and were on our way. I love casaro but will continue avoiding going there on Saturdays from now on. I've been there on Saturdays in the past and it's the same scene every time. I should've known better to hit up the casarao on a Saturday night but I had just arrived in town and wanted to visit and scope the new renovations and club upgrades made during the covid shutdown.
[QUOTE=DonMedellin;2761342]Hello friend, would you share some tips on venues in Argentina, please? Thanks.
Does anyone else know places to go in BA? The Argentina forum is pretty died.[/QUOTE]I would review the ARG BAires forums for the online portals. I believe Baires Girls is probably the best bet and has a nice (general area map, where the girls state they work from). BA isn't like Sao Paulo in the slightest and will take a little more work than other mongering locations. During my time in BA I had 2 girls from the Baires Girls website and randomly struck up a conversation with a working girl outside my hotel one late night, which we then agreed on terms for a meeting later in the week. So for 6 days, 3 successes. Not too bad.
Ok team, another couple of reports – 1 more for Café Photo and the other on Scandallo.
Café Photo.
Went on a Friday night – was expecting it to be a little busier than my last visit (which was on a Saturday night a few weeks back). Obviously busier was an understatement, as the place was packed. I'm guessing all the visitors in town due to the F1.
Girl / Guy ratio was still favorable though and proceeded to do the lap (which is much easier here than Scandallo given its much smaller size). Slid up to a cute, slim, tall chica alone at the bar and started the conversation. Agreed on terms (900 for an outcall to my hotel). Uber and on our way.
Nice girl, very little English, but google translate always helps. She stayed well beyond what I asked for and to be honest we had a good connection and I had to kick her out in the end as I needed sleep after a very long days travel. I believe she would have stuck around for much longer.
Have taken her details and she is very keen for another session before I depart.
From my two visits to Café Photo – I would say if you wanted a relaxed, smaller version of Scandallo then this is a good option. Not quite as pretentious or chaotic as Scandallo and you can generally see all of the talent on offer from any vantage point in the bar. WIR – absolutely the next time I'm in town.
Scandallo.
Well, all of the hype in this forum is well deserved. Huge place, with mega loads of talent. I visited on a Saturday night – again F1 crowd in town so the place was jam packed. Ratios still good though, with plenty of girls wandering or lounging waiting for the approach of the punters.
Given the crowd I went outside to the smoking area, grabbed a table by myself and waited. Inevitability a wandering girl made eye contact and the smile (God I hate the smile – it either means she likes the look of me or sees me as easy prey – not quite sure which one it is yet). Beautiful blonde girl, not heavy but not waif thin approached, and we started the verbal negotiations. She claimed she was in town from Salvador and was her first time in Scandallo (B. S – never believe these stories from a girl in Scandallo). Eventually a friend of hers came over, started chatting with her as well and decided a threesome was in order. There were no high-pressure tactics for this – and I'm experienced enough to know if I'm being taken for a ride and at every stage the girls said I could take one or both – the choice was mine. So, I appreciated the openness. We had a few google translate mishaps and laughs and eventually got round to pricing. 2500 for both for the hour was the starting price, but they dropped to 2000 for both as they said they liked me. Not sure if those rates are accurate, but I don't mind paying this much if the connection is good and it's at least an attempt at a little more than just a pure business transaction.
Ok so the rest of the report will be for the newbies who have not been to Scandallo before – and given the number of things going on can be confusing for new punters. Old hands, please feel free to correct me if I am wrong in any of my descriptions or figures.
I forget what the minimum consumption was – and to be fair it doesn't matter anyway – if you want in you pay it, simple as that.
Once an agreement has been made with the lady of your choice, you have two options – stay onsite in the love hotel or outcall to your hotel. We should all be experienced with the outcall, so here is the onsite description.
The girl will guide you to the lobby of the love hotel. You don't pay anything here, rather they will state the hotel rates and will ask you if you have paid (or will be) paying the girl with cash. If you have no cash, fear not as most girls have some cash card (not sure of the name, apologies) and you can make a payment after the act via your credit / debit card. Be aware though that Scandallo / Hotel will take a 10% fee (of the girl rate) for the transaction.
Once all is confirmed at the reception you head up the elevator to the assigned room. The room was adequate, nice, tidy and had double shower and toilet. Clean sheets and the ladies were given a couple of latex each.
Onto the action – I've had multiple threesomes before in my life, and to be fair I don't really like them, always too much going on, hands and bits everywhere. In this instance though it was pretty good – the girls being friends had a great connection with each other and I was experienced enough to keep them both entertained. So, all in all it was not too bad. I did especially enjoy having a fair, blonde-haired girl, lying right beside her dark afro-Brazilian friend, while I got to pick and choose who and what I wanted to do. Managed to use all the allotted time, and had to quickly finish up in the end.
Clean up and head back downstairs with the ladies. Reception will then request the room card back and you will then make your payment here. Be aware, the payment here is only for the use of the room, the payment of the girls (if you are paying on card – again remember the 10% additional fee). The payment for Scandallo entry and min. Consumption is paid on the exit of the club.
Overall, the Scandallo experience is fantastic. Not having to worry about a girl friendly hotel or having to kick a girl out later is a much better prospect. The sheer volume of options as well has other places beat, hands down. Yes, you pay a premium, but you get what you pay for. Honestly, as others have mentioned here, if you short on time, don't mess about with online etc, just go to Scandallo.
So that's it in a nutshell lads. I have a couple more days in SP, so will be calling on the previously mentioned girl to come to the hotel for some proper GFE. I will be seriously lobbying my company to get me back out to Brasil ASAP.
[QUOTE=CheekyDarky;2761663]Ok team, another couple of reports 1 more for Caf Photo and the other on Scandallo.
Caf Photo.
Went on a Friday night was expecting it to be a little busier than my last visit (which was on a Saturday night a few weeks back). Obviously busier was an understatement, as the place was packed. I'm guessing all the visitors in town due to the F1.
Girl / Guy ratio was still favorable though and proceeded to do the lap (which is much easier here than Scandallo given its much smaller size). Slid up to a cute, slim, tall chica alone at the bar and started the conversation. Agreed on terms (900 for an outcall to my hotel). Uber and on our way.
Nice girl, very little English, but google translate always helps. She stayed well beyond what I asked for and to be honest we had a good connection and I had to kick her out in the end as I needed sleep after a very long days travel. I believe she would have stuck around for much longer.
Have taken her details and she is very keen for another session before I depart.
From my two visits to Caf Photo I would say if you wanted a relaxed, smaller version of Scandallo then this is a good option. Not quite as pretentious or chaotic as Scandallo and you can generally see all of the talent on offer from any vantage point in the bar. WIR absolutely the next time I'm in town..[/QUOTE]2000 for 1 HR for 2 girls? Hell no, that's too expensive. Should have countered 3 hours for 2000, I know they will willingly accept or countered you 2 hours, even better 3 k for both girls and they stay with you whole night, in your hotel.
There is so much info on here, but it is quite scattered and its hard to search for something concise with regards to pricing specifically. Could someone with recent experience on the ground provide a summary of rough pricing at the moment with regards to the different venues? I understand that in some cases its negotiated, but it would be good to get a recent summary of where prices typically average out at.
Scandallo and the clubs in particular given negotiation is required, but also average prices at some of the clinicas.
Cheers.
[QUOTE=CheekyDarky;2761663]..Managed to use all the allotted time, and had to quickly finish up in the end.....[/QUOTE]Thanks for the detail report. You pay for the room at the minimum of 1 hour but there is no limit on how long you can stay. They prorate it when the time is more than an hour so you don't need to hurry. You can order room service to the room too. I only went over once. There were times that I took girls to love motel and the ones I took weren't watching the clock and we never talked about how long either but it was for one pop usually.
[QUOTE=WayneRoberts;2761846]There is so much info on here, but it is quite scattered and its hard to search for something concise with regards to pricing specifically. Could someone with recent experience on the ground provide a summary of rough pricing at the moment with regards to the different venues? I understand that in some cases its negotiated, but it would be good to get a recent summary of where prices typically average out at.
Scandallo and the clubs in particular given negotiation is required, but also average prices at some of the clinicas.
Cheers.[/QUOTE]Scandallo is difficult to determine because the price range is very wide based on various factors. I think you can negotiate the best deal when you negotiate overnight or multi-day. The regular will cost less. I think around 500 but you have to figure out which one is the regular first. Just give you an example, I repeated with a couple of girls several time my last trip. One I sessioned maybe 4 or 5 times at 1000 each which doubles the amount I paid the trip before. I think I maybe able to get her for 4 or 5 days for the total amount I paid. To me she was hot and has some rare characteristic so I just skipped the negotiation LOL. I was partially conditioned by the pricing posted here. I will negotiate hard next time given what I know now.
You can get more Casarao pricing detail on GPGui but when you see a real hot one, she may ask double the usual price.
[QUOTE=Nuupter;2761758]2000 for 1 HR for 2 girls? Hell no, that's too expensive. Should have countered 3 hours for 2000, I know they will willingly accept or countered you 2 hours, even better 3 k for both girls and they stay with you whole night, in your hotel.[/QUOTE]I agree, 3 k pernoite would be a much better deal. To me, 1 hour is nothing, especially with 2 girls, just the foreplay can take much longer LOL. And I hate to be in a rush or on the clock, it kills the vibe and makes the whole experience too transactional. I would rather pay more but negotiate more time, but at 1000-1500 R rates it only makes sense to negotiate pernoites. Clinicas are much better value for someone looking to quickly bust a nut.
[QUOTE=WayneRoberts;2761846]There is so much info on here, but it is quite scattered and its hard to search for something concise with regards to pricing specifically. Could someone with recent experience on the ground provide a summary of rough pricing at the moment with regards to the different venues? I understand that in some cases its negotiated, but it would be good to get a recent summary of where prices typically average out at.
Scandallo and the clubs in particular given negotiation is required, but also average prices at some of the clinicas.
Cheers.[/QUOTE]I agree with you Wayne Roberts. Information is scattered an in some cases, you have to go a long way back into this thread to take anything tangible out of it. Hence the reason why I tried to summarise the experience, for new punters (to Scandallo).
For the other responses. This is exactly why I posted and asked for your comments. For a new punter like me going to Scandallo, it would have been good to know there isn't a time limit. Especially if you are a gringo and language is an issue. As for the pricing, I don't negotiate hard. Without sounding like a twat the money we are talking about is much lower than where I punt anyways, so anything less than home is a bargain. Again I reiterate, having a 'one stop shop', where pickup and delivery are in one place is a fantastic thing to have and well worth paying for.
Its a shame this forum doesn't have a sticky thread or sidebar, similar to Reddit where we can keep up to date information at the front of the entire thread. The only other option, given the popularity of Scandallo, would be to start its own thread. Anyone keen to get that going? No point in me doing it as I will be out of the country in the next 2 days. Likewise could be done for Cafe Photo etc.
[QUOTE=CheekyDarky;2762099]I agree with you Wayne Roberts. Information is scattered an in some cases, you have to go a long way back into this thread to take anything tangible out of it. Hence the reason why I tried to summarise the experience, for new punters (to Scandallo).
For the other responses. This is exactly why I posted and asked for your comments. For a new punter like me going to Scandallo, it would have been good to know there isn't a time limit. Especially if you are a gringo and language is an issue. As for the pricing, I don't negotiate hard. Without sounding like a twat the money we are talking about is much lower than where I punt anyways, so anything less than home is a bargain. Again I reiterate, having a 'one stop shop', where pickup and delivery are in one place is a fantastic thing to have and well worth paying for.
Its a shame this forum doesn't have a sticky thread or sidebar, similar to Reddit where we can keep up to date information at the front of the entire thread. The only other option, given the popularity of Scandallo, would be to start its own thread. Anyone keen to get that going? No point in me doing it as I will be out of the country in the next 2 days. Likewise could be done for Cafe Photo etc.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your insight Cheeky. Appreciate yours and everyone elses feedback.
The forum has not changed much over the years, but I do think that the format of it does make it hard to attract traffic and newbies given how most info seems to be posted into a single thread and its often more of a chat room than specific topics that people can participate in.
I'm in Brazil over the Dec / Jan, so will post a report. I have 5 days in SP, so will be visiting a Scandallo a few times and trying a few other places.
Given my experience with the freelance scene in a lot of different countries, they all have their quirks and the overall experience does become a bit better if you have some idea on how best to navigate things. That's not just around pricing, but its around what's a typical expectations. In some places multiple shots within a timeframe are normal, in others its a rate for one completion. In some places its hourly, others its based on what you agree to. Then you have the different venues and scenes too, so it can be a bit daunting.
[QUOTE=WayneRoberts;2762151]Thanks for your insight Cheeky. Appreciate yours and everyone elses feedback.
The forum has not changed much over the years, but I do think that the format of it does make it hard to attract traffic and newbies given how most info seems to be posted into a single thread and its often more of a chat room than specific topics that people can participate in.
I'm in Brazil over the Dec / Jan, so will post a report. I have 5 days in SP, so will be visiting a Scandallo a few times and trying a few other places.
Given my experience with the freelance scene in a lot of different countries, they all have their quirks and the overall experience does become a bit better if you have some idea on how best to navigate things. That's not just around pricing, but its around what's a typical expectations. In some places multiple shots within a timeframe are normal, in others its a rate for one completion. In some places its hourly, others its based on what you agree to. Then you have the different venues and scenes too, so it can be a bit daunting.[/QUOTE]The advice that I give newbies is to concentrate on the Reports of Distinction. Read as many of those as far back as you can. That will enable you to learn about the past, present, and future from some of the absolute best reports on the site. From there you can go into other threads and ask very informed questions.
An ISGer asked how was Osasco area in Sao Paulo, close to the giant University of Sao Paulo.
Here a show in a funk club, years before pandemics. You may notice is a club for locals only and would suggest to go with a local and try not to take anybody's GF. It can go really wrong.
Place full of motoboys (bike delivery guys), public school and university students, etc etc etc. Not the Scandallo or Cafe Photo guys for sure.
Here two very proteic Brazilian girls ball busting two guys on the stage. Real fun! Jajajajaja I'm sure they peed blood!
[URL]https://www.redgifs.com/watch/knottypositivebaldeagle[/URL]
[QUOTE=TheCane;2762345]The advice that I give newbies is to concentrate on the Reports of Distinction. Read as many of those as far back as you can. That will enable you to learn about the past, present, and future from some of the absolute best reports on the site. From there you can go into other threads and ask very informed questions.[/QUOTE]Excellent advice.
I'm a bit confused by the challenge of finding info on Scandallo. For the most part, Scandallo is mentioned in great detail here all the time almost on a daily basis. The amount paid to girls varies from monger to monger because that's generally true of freelance clubs.
While ISG is more loosely organized, all forums have their quirks that you have to navigate. I've had success using the ISG search function. I don't know if I have gotten better at searching topics or the ISG search function has gotten better. Probably both.
There's nothing funnier than a newbie telling the forum he has been exhaustively researching and can't find the information when the topic was just discussed in detail a couple of days ago. The membership tends to move past such exasperated posts.
[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2762630]...I'm a bit confused by the challenge of finding info on Scandallo. ...[/QUOTE]The easy solution is to create your own thread and organize it for everyone. But people expect others to do it for them. Then kind of complained about the very people who are regulars that helped them.
The problem is not organization, the problem is who is going to organize them because people come in will just post wherever they want? Wouldn't the complaint better suited in the General Information thread?
I have no problem helping others out as I have replied to WR on here and Medellin thread so take this post with that in mind
Scandallo had 600 girls on Thursday and close to 700 on Friday however I have was disappointed because there were no bombshells like there was last year. So I ended up seeing girls I already knew that did not inflate their price because of F1. Girls I did not know were asking 4 k to go out and 2 k for inside which would be ok if they were bombshells but no way for an 7/8. Anyway, was crazy and super fun make plans for next year.
OK team, my last report for Sao Paulo as I have left the country. Hopefully I will be back soon enough and will keep an eye on this thread.
Last full day decided to kill some time and with Lotus Lounge not having the girl I wanted available, decided to head to Taj Mahal. This clinica doesn't seem to be well reviewed, so add this to slim pickings.
Decent looking place in Moema, about a 10 min ride from Vila Olimpia where I was staying. Lunch time visit and they had around 6 girls on offer. Price was 380 for cash and 410 for card. Chose a slim blonde spinner type and was shown to a room out the back courtyard. Place is tidy, supposed to look high end, but small details let it down. In the room and a tiny shower and bathroom. Toiletries on offer to freshen up. In the room the lights were dimmed low but flickering, like seriously epilepsy inducing. The bed had seen better days as every time I readjusted on it, it creaked and shifted.
Girl entered and music was put on. Obviously had a challenge with language so wasn't expecting a great connection. Mediocre massage (but that's not what we are there for) and then the flip. She went straight to work with an above average HJ. Unfortunately covered BJ to follow. Onto the main event and her being very small and me being double her size, didn't want to be too rough with her, and the action was tepid to start. After a bit of her directing the action, she started getting a little rougher, which suited me. So she just needed warming up.
Finished in the hat and job was done.
All in all a reasonable place in a decent area. For all its desire to be high end, is really a no frills pure transactional place with decent looking girls. Will have to try them again the next time I'm in town.
For all you lucky buggers living in SP, I am jealous. You have a wealth of options on your doorstep with some really stunning looking girls. Cannot wait to get back. Stay safe lads.
Hello Fellow Mongers.
I have been a long time lurker here and I just wanted to give back as well so here we go.
The first time to Sao Paulo was March 2019. I was there for the mighty carnival it was a sight to see. So in Sao Paulo I went to Red Massagem which was 200 for a HR but when I went back there they increased it to 250 HR. The first was a black girl named BomBom session was okay nothing to rave about I choose her because I always wanted to do a black haha. She is not there anymore. Covered BBBJ. The condom was to tight so I couldn't really finish.
The second named was carol a blond girl now she was great because I love blond girls and we had chemistry ish haha. Plus I spoke some portuguese which helped. She is also not there anymore ugh. BBBJ and DATY. Miss. Then doggy then finished. We had extra time so we went a second round man she can ride bruhhhhh. Man that session was bombastic. I wanted to see her again but it didn't happen this time because currently she was not working at a clinica or that's what she said. I still have a contact info. I should have asked if she would come my hotel but she texted me back very late into my trip so it is what it is.
I went to brooklin massagem also at there old location didn't find anything I liked and it had a lot of people too when I went.
Fast forward to September. I went to Buenos Aires as well.
When I was in Buenos Aires I used this website for online escorts called [URL]argentinaxp.com[/URL]. I had a girl named rossi a redhead. Cost around 100 usd for an HR and she came to my hotel as well I also had to pay for her fair to my hotel. However in person she was a little older but it was still her but that's what you get when you use only websites I guess haha. You can go on the website to see her info also. I also wanted to try two more but they did not respond so it was a hit or miss.
Now Sao Paulo I went to the clinicas and the all mighty Scandallo.
Prime Moema:
Catarina- Blondish looking girl big fake boobs nice round butt. Her pussy was a outie and shaved. Service was okay. Miss. First then finished reverse cowgirl (man she could ride loved every min of it) and cleaned up and left. Damage 190 for hhr. No second shot was allowed. She does BBBJ and DATY available. I would repeat. Looks: 7-8. Some kissing.
Serena-Light skinned petite negra. Natural body no bolt ONS and nice butt. Pussy was an outie and shaved. She is enthusiastic and friendly also. However she had a slight smell ugh that was sad. She would ask for a tip also. Not a repeat. Looks: 7. She moved to miruna. Miss. Then doggy and left. BBBJ and DATY available. Some kissing.
Clinica Abbobora:
Duda- Short Morena type girl. Nice hour glass figure with fake boobs and big round butt. Very friendly and very talkative. No english. Pussy is small innie and shaved. BBBJ and DATY. 28 yrs old. Any position you want. A solid repeat. Looks: 8-9. Couldn't finish very sad haha. Damage 330 reals for an HR paid in cash. Some kissing.
Isabella- Short blond girl 24 years old. Natural boobs and a fat butt. Pussy shaved and innie. BBBJ and DATY available. Friendly and funny. A solid repeat. Miss. Then doggy and finished when I pulled out out her pussy was wet hell yeah. Any position you want. Looks: 8-9. I think her per night is 1000 reals. No english some kissing.
Amanda- Tall blond girl 24 yrs old. Skinny hour glass figure. Fake boobs and round butt. Very white skin german decent or that what's she said. Pussy small tight innie shaved. BBBJ and DATY. Miss. Then finished doggy. Any position you want. The only drawback was that she was sensitive that day so I couldn't go another round Damn but watever. So it kind of killed the mood for me. No english. Looks 9-10. She was my favorite clinica girl because she is my type of white girl. A big def. Repeat. I think her per night was 1500-2000 reals. Some kissing.
Vitoria- little tall white girl. 27 yrs odd. Fake boobs round butt but there was scarring around here boobs and her boobs did not look proportional. Pussy shaved tight innie. No english. BBBJ and DATY. Any position. Very friendly and talkative. Nice hour glass figure. Miss then doggy and finished. Looks: 7. No repeat. Some kissing.
This clinica was my favorite because the cost was good and they have the girls I favored. Will be back in future. No hhr.
Clinica Miruna:
Agatha- red head ish girl. Short kind of chunky. Natural big boobs and round butt. BBBJ and DATY. Very friendly. No english. Pussy small innie. Any position. Slight mole on side of face. Looks 5-6. Couldn't finish ugh. Damage 190 I think for hhr. A repeat\par.
Selena- black ish girl. Medium hight a little chunky. Big natural boobs and butt. Small outie pussy. Friendly. No english. Miss. Then doggy and finished. Had a slight smell ugh. Looks: 5-6. No repeat\par.
Oro Spa:
Nanda- Short skinny ish white girl. Natural medium size boobs and small round butt. BBBJ and DATY. 22 yrs old. Friendly. No english. Pussy small outie. A repeat. Paid cash 560 reals for HR. There is no hhr rates. No per night with her. Cool story I found out about her by vitoria from abbobora when we were talking after I finished. Miss. Then finished. Some kissing \par.
Luxo- morena ish white girl. Medium height. Friendly. BBBJ and DATY. Pussy not shaven innie tight pussy. Natural big boobs but was hanging a little. 28 yrs old. Looks 8-9. No english. A big def repeat. Massage given after sex if you want. She asked first about the massage but I said later. No per night with her. Some kissing\par.
I also liked this clinica I will go back more.
Lotus lounge.
Izzy- medium height red head girl. Fake boobs and medium sized toned butt but it had stretch marks ugh too bad. Nice toned hour glass figure because she likes to work. BBBJ and DATY. Friendly and likes to practice her english. Little to no english. Pussy outie and not as tight bummer. 34 yrs old. Looks 8-9. She gives massages before or after not the best to be honest as we all know with these houses but I guess it depends on the girl. Paid cash around 680 per HR. There is no hhr rates. A possible repeat. Some kissing.
My opinion about these house is that it is not worth the money to be honest maybe 600 then fine but it is what it is. You pay the girl first which I forgot how much then when you leave you pay the house. A possible repeat for the house.
Lushness Spa Moema:
Bianca- little short red head girl. 27 yrs old. Nice hour glass figure. Fake boobs and round butt. Friendly ish. Pussy innie with a little hair. BBBJ and no DATY. Looks 9. She is a gaucha. No english. Paid cash 560. Pay her 200 and 330 to the house. Couldn't finish. A possible repeat. First 30 minutes. Massage then sex. Some kissing. She is not working there anymore. She went to lotus lounge under the name jadore.
I like this clinica as well will be back in the future.
Scandallo:
Forgot the girls name. She was friendly and from minas gerais. Short white girl with short black hair. Looks: 8. She wanted 1000 reals but accepted 800 reals. Covered BBBJ and maybe DATY but didn't try because her pussy was a outie OMG no thank you and it was not tight at all shit. I could have asked for BBBJ but didn't but watever. Fake boobs but with heavy scarring holy smokes. I only choose her because it was getting and I wanted to experience scandallo. It was my first time there. I should have gone with the girl I wanted but she was already taken damn I was slow on the uptake chuck it up to inexperience haha. I also made friends with two Brazilian lawyer dudes which was cool they both spoke very good english. I was hanging out with these guys before they found the girls they wanted and we all left to do our own thing. When one of the other guys came back after his session he told me when the cloths came off it was not worth it or something like that man it happened to me as well hahahaha. Arrived at 10 pm and left around 2 am. Total damage was around 1450 reals. 400 for cover charge 200 to consumables so around two mix drinks covered the consumables. 250 for the room for an HR. 800 for the girl. At the end of the day its worth going to because it was fun and a sight to see with so much girls around. I will def. Comeback here. If any person is on the fence on going to scandallo just go because its worth it even if you do not session you know what I mean. It's also possible to get girls at a lower cost with good nego. Skills but I was okay with paying 800 but next time I'll try for much less just to see haha. The Brazilian dudes was telling me they pay around 800 to 1000 reals so yeah. A cool and funny thing happened in the elevator when me and this girl was leaving the club. She turns to me and said I was handsome or something like that then I asked here how much she said 800 then we walked off cool chick. The clothes I wore was classy long sleeve dkny shirt, gray jeans and brown shoes. So my thing is dress to impress kind of thing but you don't have too thou.
Hotels:
The first 6 days in sao paulo I stayed at the bourbon convention hotel next to ibirapuera shopping mall. The hotel was good had everything I needed. The breakfast buffet was good and the internet was fast. When I was there it was busy because they had an convention going on. So if busy hotels is not your thing then find somewhere else. I choose these hotel because you pretty much can walk to all the clinicas around moema area which I did. Man my legs was hurting at the end but I was being cheap. This hotel had good insulation from the airplane noise as well for me anyway. Metro was across the street. There is a smart fit gym up the street called maracatnis. I went to that one and it had everything you need.
The last 10 days was at Renaissance which I stayed for free because of points. Cool hotel. The breakfast buffet was good. I was a silver elite but guy at the front desk gave me free breakfast. It was cool of him to do so because he didn't have too. There are some working girls there too if you guys want to partake in that. I was talking too a red haired girl but didn't partake but she was nice to talk too. I think she said 700 reals for 3 hours or something like that. This hotel was busy also. If you go in winter time and your room is cold as hell you can ask for a portable heater which I didn't know at that time damn I could have used it. The gym they have is very good as well.
Transportation:
I used the metro a lot and uber. One ticket for the metro is like 4 reals or something like that. I manly use uber X because it was cheaper (but not by much) than uber black.
Cell Phone service:
You could get a sim at any local carrier. I used verizon's international plan because it was convenient. A guy I was talking to at a clinica said vivo was a good carrier.
Restaurants:
I went to DOM restaurant with my friend which is an experience and my first Michelan star restaurant. Very unique food. Fogo De chao in the jardins first time as well good food. Margherita Pizzeria first time food was good and good fruit juices. Tordesilhas a typical Brazilian food restaurant I had my first feijoada taste here and was really good and their caipirinhas was too strong for my liking first time here and my friend took me here. Conde another typical Brazilian food restaurant was good too first time as well my friend took me to this. A good cheap option would be eating at the food courts in the malls. \par.
Random Thoughts:
Prices in mostly everything in Buenos Aires and sao paulo have gone up be wary of that but you guys probably know that. Speak some basic Portuguese at least because it can be helpful. It was fun talking to the clinica girls after sex because we have an hour right so why not practice my Portuguese and maybe make a friend in the process. Walking in Buenos Aires felt much safer than sao paulo for me anyway but sao paulo was fine also. The blue line on the metro is always busy. For the price clinicas have good value compared to the night clubs. If you fancy the clinica girl you can try ask if they do a per night or something like that. Well guys that it for now I probably for got some things but if I remember ill post it. Sorry if the sentences don't make sense because I had a lot to write and I was getting tired but you mongers get the drift. Majority of the restaurants had wifi if needed. Alright peace out.
[QUOTE=DarkStar112;2763133]Hello Fellow Mongers.
I have been a long time lurker here and I just wanted to give back as well so here we go.
.......[/QUOTE]Very good first report.
Think I'll be heading to Sao Paulo for the first time in February. Really enjoyed Rio but I prefer the big city to the beach.
Got a list of clinicas to try but not sure if I'll get the most out of the Sampa nightlife.
Scandallo, Bomboa, Cafe Photo sound amazing but personally I refuse to fly half way around the world on an expensive flight to pay those prices. I wish I could like most of the guys but I'm too cheap haha.
I've got Casarao on my list but can anyone recommend any other boates in this price range or below?
Appreciate any advice.
[QUOTE=SoberHans69;2763265]Think I'll be heading to Sao Paulo for the first time in February. Really enjoyed Rio but I prefer the big city to the beach.
Got a list of clinicas to try but not sure if I'll get the most out of the Sampa nightlife.
Scandallo, Bomboa, Cafe Photo sound amazing but personally I refuse to fly half way around the world on an expensive flight to pay those prices. I wish I could like most of the guys but I'm too cheap haha.
I've got Casarao on my list but can anyone recommend any other boates in this price range or below?
Appreciate any advice.[/QUOTE]Well first of all, Rio [B]is[/B] a big city. A big city by the beach! And second, why not catch a cheap flight around the world leaving more money for pricier pussy LOL! Easier said than done I guess. Glad I have lots and lots of miles!
[QUOTE=SoberHans69;2763265]Think I'll be heading to Sao Paulo for the first time in February. Really enjoyed Rio but I prefer the big city to the beach.
I've got Casarao on my list but can anyone recommend any other boates in this price range or below?
Appreciate any advice.[/QUOTE]I'm not 100% sure on the distinction between a clinica and a boate, but 57 friends would be my recommendation. While I enjoy taking in the Scandallo atmosphere, given that I'm in town for over a month I don't want to make a habit of it. Plus a mediocre experience at $50 is not nearly as disappointing as one at $200. While they're rare for me in Brazil, they're equally common at Scandallo and the clinicas. 57 is fairly quiet, but they have a decent number of girls and the prices are more reasonable. They're also open until 2 am, though in my experience things wind down around 12. It seems like the day prices are 170 R, while night (I think after 9 pm) they go to 350 R (room included).
The staff is friendly, the girls are pretty, and you can have a few drinks and hang out. I wish I knew a few more spots in Moema like it for variety.
[QUOTE=DarkStar112;2763133]
When I was in Buenos Aires I used this website for online escorts called [URL]argentinaxp.com[/URL]. I had a girl named rossi a redhead. Cost around 100 usd for an HR and she came to my hotel as well I also had to pay for her fair to my hotel. However in person she was a little older but it was still her but that's what you get when you use only websites I guess haha. You can go on the website to see her info also. I also wanted to try two more but they did not respond so it was a hit or miss.[/QUOTE]Definitely appreciate the thorough report!
As for BA, I just wanted to share that if you find yourself there again, [URL]bairesgirls.net[/URL] is the way to go. Lot of good looking girls in the $25-$35 range. You do have to go to their apartments, but all in all its a much better deal. A cab is usually only a few dollars. Even the one girl who I could tell charged me gringo prices based on my phone number only got me for $50, anal included. They also seem to have a handful of clubs popping up, though I'd avoid them. Doorman asked me for $80 to get in. I thought he accidentally added a 0, and when I found out he did not I left immediately (girls didn't look any better than the $25 ones online).
[QUOTE=SoberHans69;2763265]Think I'll be heading to Sao Paulo for the first time in February. Really enjoyed Rio but I prefer the big city to the beach.
Got a list of clinicas to try but not sure if I'll get the most out of the Sampa nightlife.
Scandallo, Bomboa, Cafe Photo sound amazing but personally I refuse to fly half way around the world on an expensive flight to pay those prices. I wish I could like most of the guys but I'm too cheap haha.
I've got Casarao on my list but can anyone recommend any other boates in this price range or below?
Appreciate any advice.[/QUOTE]Lately Clinica Tangara has been opening later, maybe till 10 PM. If you are price sensitive you will absolutely get the most value there. In some ways the hang out culture there is a bit like a social club too, but super relaxed. It's not a boate though but the next best thing perhaps.
In BA going to money exchange houses you should only use 100 usd bills. No loose bills because some houses only change 100 bills but some other houses change loose bills also, so to save you a headache from going houses to house use a 100 bill only. This also goes for the online escort I had. I tried to give her 5 20 bills usd but she insisted for a 100 bill but if you only had loose bills then it is what it is.
Inside ibirapuera shopping mall there is a good exchange house which gave me 5 real to 1 usd rate when I was there. The other house I went to before gave me 4 to 1 rate.
I brought about 13,000 reals for the whole trip. First you have to fill out the online Brazil goods declaration form which is free, print it out, when you arrive go to the goods declaration line, show them the printed paper (they didn't count the money either), and then you're good to go. I had no problems with this process.
Having an offline map app is good as well. I used maps. Me.
Thanks Turgid.
[QUOTE=SoberHans69;2763265]Think I'll be heading to Sao Paulo for the first time in February. Really enjoyed Rio but I prefer the big city to the beach.
Got a list of clinicas to try but not sure if I'll get the most out of the Sampa nightlife.
Scandallo, Bomboa, Cafe Photo sound amazing but personally I refuse to fly half way around the world on an expensive flight to pay those prices. I wish I could like most of the guys but I'm too cheap haha.
I've got Casarao on my list but can anyone recommend any other boates in this price range or below?
Appreciate any advice.[/QUOTE]I believe their is another boate called connection night club that is affiliated with scandallo group. Unfortunately it's located on the far outskirts of So Paulo in Vila formosa.
[QUOTE=CheekyDarky;2762924] In the room the lights were dimmed low but flickering, [b]like seriously epilepsy inducing[/b]. [/QUOTE]Sorry in advance to those who may be afflicted by epilepsy, but this line was funny. LOL!
Wow thanks for all the replies, appreciate it.
In response to Mr Cane, thanks for the advice and all your other posts, whilst I'm sure I'm nowhere near as wealthy as most people on here but I could still afford to go to Scandallo multiple times, I just can't justify spending that much on pussy, no matter how good it looks, just a character flaw I guess.
[QUOTE=SoberHans69;2763265]Think I'll be heading to Sao Paulo for the first time in February. Really enjoyed Rio but I prefer the big city to the beach.
Got a list of clinicas to try but not sure if I'll get the most out of the Sampa nightlife.
Scandallo, Bomboa, Cafe Photo sound amazing but personally I refuse to fly half way around the world on an expensive flight to pay those prices. I wish I could like most of the guys but I'm too cheap haha.
I've got Casarao on my list but can anyone recommend any other boates in this price range or below?
Appreciate any advice.[/QUOTE]There are actually a good number of local small boates spread around SP. I previously reported on Brooklin club. 27 Guararapes. It is close to moema, maybe 10 min Uber. I went three times in total and I was the only foreigner there. Maybe a dozen girls. Around 300 r for a hour for both the room and girl. I found a hot tall redhead that would fit in easily in scandallo, but the other girls not. There are other clubs if you willing to look. Freelancer. Muchachos in Santa amaro got good reviews but is further out. Connection was great during the pandemic when scandallo was closed. Same owner. Girls were 400-500 are for the hour. Except for connection, don't expect premium setting. They are your local bars with girls.
[QUOTE=DarkStar112;2763133]Hello Fellow Mongers.
I have been a long time lurker here and I just wanted to give back as well so here we go.[/QUOTE]Outstanding report. Very detailed, Venues, Names, and Amounts. Very good read and should be useful to Newbies.
[QUOTE=DarkStar112;2763133]Hello Fellow Mongers.
I have been a long time lurker here and I just wanted to give back as well so here we go.
The first time to Sao Paulo was March 2019. I was there for the mighty carnival it was a sight to see. So in Sao Paulo I went to Red Massagem which was 200 for a HR but when I went back there they increased it to 250 HR. The first was a black girl named BomBom session was okay nothing to rave about I choose her because I always wanted to do a black haha. She is not there anymore. Covered BBBJ. The condom was to tight so I couldn't really finish.
The second named was carol a blond girl now she was great because I love blond girls and we had chemistry ish haha. Plus I spoke some portuguese which helped. She is also not there anymore ugh. BBBJ and DATY. Miss. Then doggy then finished. We had extra time so we went a second round man she can ride bruhhhhh. Man that session was bombastic. I wanted to see her again but it didn't happen this time because currently she was not working at a clinica or that's what she said. I still have a contact info. I should have asked if she would come my hotel but she texted me back very late into my trip so it is what it is.
I went to brooklin massagem also at there old location didn't find anything I liked and it had a lot of people too when I went.
Fast forward to September. I went to Buenos Aires as well.
When I was in Buenos Aires I used this website for online escorts called [URL]argentinaxp.com[/URL]. I had a girl named rossi a redhead. Cost around 100 usd for an HR and she came to my hotel as well I also had to pay for her fair to my hotel. However in person she was a little older but it was still her but that's what you get when you use only websites I guess haha. You can go on the website to see her info also. I also wanted to try two more but they did not respond so it was a hit or miss.
Now Sao Paulo I went to the clinicas and the all mighty Scandallo.
Prime Moema:
Catarina- Blondish looking girl big fake boobs nice round butt. Her pussy was a outie and shaved. Service was okay. Miss. First then finished reverse cowgirl (man she could ride loved every min of it) and cleaned up and left. Damage 190 for hhr. No second shot was allowed. She does BBBJ and DATY available. I would repeat. Looks: 7-8. Some kissing.
Serena-Light skinned petite negra. Natural body no bolt ONS and nice butt. Pussy was an outie and shaved. She is enthusiastic and friendly also. However she had a slight smell ugh that was sad. She would ask for a tip also. Not a repeat. Looks: 7. She moved to miruna. Miss. Then doggy and left. BBBJ and DATY available. Some kissing.
Clinica Abbobora:
Duda- Short Morena type girl. Nice hour glass figure with fake boobs and big round butt. Very friendly and very talkative. No english. Pussy is small innie and shaved. BBBJ and DATY. 28 yrs old. Any position you want. A solid repeat. Looks: 8-9. Couldn't finish very sad haha. Damage 330 reals for an HR paid in cash. Some kissing.
Isabella- Short blond girl 24 years old. Natural boobs and a fat butt. Pussy shaved and innie. BBBJ and DATY available. Friendly and funny. A solid repeat. Miss. Then doggy and finished when I pulled out out her pussy was wet hell yeah. Any position you want. Looks: 8-9. I think her per night is 1000 reals. No english some kissing.
Amanda- Tall blond girl 24 yrs old. Skinny hour glass figure. Fake boobs and round butt. Very white skin german decent or that what's she said. Pussy small tight innie shaved. BBBJ and DATY. Miss. Then finished doggy. Any position you want. The only drawback was that she was sensitive that day so I couldn't go another round Damn but watever. So it kind of killed the mood for me. No english. Looks 9-10. She was my favorite clinica girl because she is my type of white girl. A big def. Repeat. I think her per night was 1500-2000 reals. Some kissing.
Vitoria- little tall white girl. 27 yrs odd. Fake boobs round butt but there was scarring around here boobs and her boobs did not look proportional. Pussy shaved tight innie. No english. BBBJ and DATY. Any position. Very friendly and talkative. Nice hour glass figure. Miss then doggy and finished. Looks: 7. No repeat. Some kissing.
This clinica was my favorite because the cost was good and they have the girls I favored. Will be back in future. No hhr.
Clinica Miruna:
Agatha- red head ish girl. Short kind of chunky. Natural big boobs and round butt. BBBJ and DATY. Very friendly. No english. Pussy small innie. Any position. Slight mole on side of face. Looks 5-6. Couldn't finish ugh. Damage 190 I think for hhr. A repeat\par.
Selena- black ish girl. Medium hight a little chunky. Big natural boobs and butt. Small outie pussy. Friendly. No english. Miss. Then doggy and finished. Had a slight smell ugh. Looks: 5-6. No repeat\par.
Oro Spa:
Nanda- Short skinny ish white girl. Natural medium size boobs and small round butt. BBBJ and DATY. 22 yrs old. Friendly. No english. Pussy small outie. A repeat. Paid cash 560 reals for HR. There is no hhr rates. No per night with her. Cool story I found out about her by vitoria from abbobora when we were talking after I finished. Miss. Then finished. Some kissing \par.
Luxo- morena ish white girl. Medium height. Friendly. BBBJ and DATY. Pussy not shaven innie tight pussy. Natural big boobs but was hanging a little. 28 yrs old. Looks 8-9. No english. A big def repeat. Massage given after sex if you want. She asked first about the massage but I said later. No per night with her. Some kissing\par.
I also liked this clinica I will go back more.
Lotus lounge.
Izzy- medium height red head girl. Fake boobs and medium sized toned butt but it had stretch marks ugh too bad. Nice toned hour glass figure because she likes to work. BBBJ and DATY. Friendly and likes to practice her english. Little to no english. Pussy outie and not as tight bummer. 34 yrs old. Looks 8-9. She gives massages before or after not the best to be honest as we all know with these houses but I guess it depends on the girl. Paid cash around 680 per HR. There is no hhr rates. A possible repeat. Some kissing.
My opinion about these house is that it is not worth the money to be honest maybe 600 then fine but it is what it is. You pay the girl first which I forgot how much then when you leave you pay the house. A possible repeat for the house.
Lushness Spa Moema:
Bianca- little short red head girl. 27 yrs old. Nice hour glass figure. Fake boobs and round butt. Friendly ish. Pussy innie with a little hair. BBBJ and no DATY. Looks 9. She is a gaucha. No english. Paid cash 560. Pay her 200 and 330 to the house. Couldn't finish. A possible repeat. First 30 minutes. Massage then sex. Some kissing. She is not working there anymore. She went to lotus lounge under the name jadore.
I like this clinica as well will be back in the future.
Scandallo:
Forgot the girls name. She was friendly and from minas gerais. Short white girl with short black hair. Looks: 8. She wanted 1000 reals but accepted 800 reals. Covered BBBJ and maybe DATY but didn't try because her pussy was a outie OMG no thank you and it was not tight at all shit. I could have asked for BBBJ but didn't but watever. Fake boobs but with heavy scarring holy smokes. I only choose her because it was getting and I wanted to experience scandallo. It was my first time there. I should have gone with the girl I wanted but she was already taken damn I was slow on the uptake chuck it up to inexperience haha. I also made friends with two Brazilian lawyer dudes which was cool they both spoke very good english. I was hanging out with these guys before they found the girls they wanted and we all left to do our own thing. When one of the other guys came back after his session he told me when the cloths came off it was not worth it or something like that man it happened to me as well hahahaha. Arrived at 10 pm and left around 2 am. Total damage was around 1450 reals. 400 for cover charge 200 to consumables so around two mix drinks covered the consumables. 250 for the room for an HR. 800 for the girl. At the end of the day its worth going to because it was fun and a sight to see with so much girls around. I will def. Comeback here. If any person is on the fence on going to scandallo just go because its worth it even if you do not session you know what I mean. It's also possible to get girls at a lower cost with good nego. Skills but I was okay with paying 800 but next time I'll try for much less just to see haha. The Brazilian dudes was telling me they pay around 800 to 1000 reals so yeah. A cool and funny thing happened in the elevator when me and this girl was leaving the club. She turns to me and said I was handsome or something like that then I asked here how much she said 800 then we walked off cool chick. The clothes I wore was classy long sleeve dkny shirt, gray jeans and brown shoes. So my thing is dress to impress kind of thing but you don't have too thou.
Hotels:
The first 6 days in sao paulo I stayed at the bourbon convention hotel next to ibirapuera shopping mall. The hotel was good had everything I needed. The breakfast buffet was good and the internet was fast. When I was there it was busy because they had an convention going on. So if busy hotels is not your thing then find somewhere else. I choose these hotel because you pretty much can walk to all the clinicas around moema area which I did. Man my legs was hurting at the end but I was being cheap. This hotel had good insulation from the airplane noise as well for me anyway. Metro was across the street. There is a smart fit gym up the street called maracatnis. I went to that one and it had everything you need.
The last 10 days was at Renaissance which I stayed for free because of points. Cool hotel. The breakfast buffet was good. I was a silver elite but guy at the front desk gave me free breakfast. It was cool of him to do so because he didn't have too. There are some working girls there too if you guys want to partake in that. I was talking too a red haired girl but didn't partake but she was nice to talk too. I think she said 700 reals for 3 hours or something like that. This hotel was busy also. If you go in winter time and your room is cold as hell you can ask for a portable heater which I didn't know at that time damn I could have used it. The gym they have is very good as well.
Transportation:
I used the metro a lot and uber. One ticket for the metro is like 4 reals or something like that. I manly use uber X because it was cheaper (but not by much) than uber black.
Cell Phone service:
You could get a sim at any local carrier. I used verizon's international plan because it was convenient. A guy I was talking to at a clinica said vivo was a good carrier.
Restaurants:
I went to DOM restaurant with my friend which is an experience and my first Michelan star restaurant. Very unique food. Fogo De chao in the jardins first time as well good food. Margherita Pizzeria first time food was good and good fruit juices. Tordesilhas a typical Brazilian food restaurant I had my first feijoada taste here and was really good and their caipirinhas was too strong for my liking first time here and my friend took me here. Conde another typical Brazilian food restaurant was good too first time as well my friend took me to this. A good cheap option would be eating at the food courts in the malls. \par.
Random Thoughts:
Prices in mostly everything in Buenos Aires and sao paulo have gone up be wary of that but you guys probably know that. Speak some basic Portuguese at least because it can be helpful. It was fun talking to the clinica girls after sex because we have an hour right so why not practice my Portuguese and maybe make a friend in the process. Walking in Buenos Aires felt much safer than sao paulo for me anyway but sao paulo was fine also. The blue line on the metro is always busy. For the price clinicas have good value compared to the night clubs. If you fancy the clinica girl you can try ask if they do a per night or something like that. Well guys that it for now I probably for got some things but if I remember ill post it. Sorry if the sentences don't make sense because I had a lot to write and I was getting tired but you mongers get the drift. Majority of the restaurants had wifi if needed. Alright peace out.[/QUOTE]Is the Bourbon Hotel chica friendly?
Had a short layover, so decided to make the most of it. I went to Scandellos as soon as I got to my hotel. Pretty much exactly as described by everyone else. I was thinking it would be a bit more of a stripclub than it was, so I was a bit surprised by the nightclub atmosphere, but where every girl in the club is working. Damn cool. Saw a couple that floated my boat, kicked back and had a beer or two and watched the scene for awhile. A very friendly dark skinned girl and I hit it off pretty well. She really wasn't my first choice, but I actually started enjoying chatting with her. Eventually decided to take her home. And yes, I paid way too much (well, for Sao Paulo, not the rest of world). Fun time at my hotel and the first time I've ever done an overnight with an escort. I just assumed we'd get busy again in the morning, but no such luck. She was out the door, said she had to run. Learning experience. If you want to have a BJ and sex in the AM, make sure you spell it out in the initial bargaining.
Now I'm ready to go, and no partner. Was waiting for the clinicas to open, but sent out some texts on WhatsApp, got a hit from [URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/acompanhantes/sao-paulo/jardins/namoradinha-carinhosa-e-sensual-do-squirt-massagista-id-h2rd4[/URL].
Mari. Wow. One of my top encounters with an escort ever. She crushed me. Matches her pictures, beautiful smile, petite, tiny tits, amazing ass. We chatted on WhatsApp, set a price and then she started to tease me. She had the exact toy I was hoping for (one of those little jeweled plugs) and then showed me a pic of it and one of her with what she was wearing on her way to my hotel. She showed up on time, I met her in the lobby and took her up to my room. And then she proceeded to blow my mind. Passionate kisses, incredible deepthroat, trailing spit everywhere. Beautiful little pussy which I warmed up for her, and then placed her little plug. It might have been we were just a perfect fit, but we started out mish, and she just started cumming. Then doggy, then side, then she just rode me, cumming again and again, sweat pouring off of her. It was one of the most erotic sessions ever. We took a bit of a breather, pulled the plug, slowly entered her ass, and went round the positions again. Finished buried in her ass, missionary style so I could look at all of her. It was really amazing. Repeat? God yes. Really. Top 3. Wish business could get me back to Sao Paulo sooner. I would book her the whole time I was there. I love variety. But this was incredible.
Oh. And 1/4 the price of the Scandello experience.
To: JZeleznik:
Yeah of course I'll check out that website when I'm back down there thanks for sharing that info.
To: The Critic.
Thanks bro. Just trying to help the newbies.
To: Maelstrom.
Probably but idk because I didn't bring anyone back to the hotel. However when I booked that hotel, I booked for two people if that helps.
[QUOTE=LR123;2763757]Had a short layover, so decided to make the most of it. I went to Scandellos as soon as I got to my hotel. Pretty much exactly as described by everyone else. I was thinking it would be a bit more of a stripclub than it was, so I was a bit surprised by the nightclub atmosphere, but where every girl in the club is working. Damn cool. Saw a couple that floated my boat, kicked back and had a beer or two and watched the scene for awhile. A very friendly dark skinned girl and I hit it off pretty well. She really wasn't my first choice, but I actually started enjoying chatting with her. Eventually decided to take her home. And yes, I paid way too much (well, for Sao Paulo, not the rest of world). Fun time at my hotel and the first time I've ever done an overnight with an escort. I just assumed we'd get busy again in the morning, but no such luck. She was out the door, said she had to run. Learning experience. If you want to have a BJ and sex in the AM, make sure you spell it out in the initial bargaining.
Now I'm ready to go, and no partner. Was waiting for the clinicas to open, but sent out some texts on WhatsApp, got a hit from [URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/acompanhantes/sao-paulo/jardins/namoradinha-carinhosa-e-sensual-do-squirt-massagista-id-h2rd4[/URL].
Mari. Wow. One of my top encounters with an escort ever. She crushed me. Matches her pictures, beautiful smile, petite, tiny tits, amazing ass. We chatted on WhatsApp, set a price and then she started to tease me. She had the exact toy I was hoping for (one of those little jeweled plugs) and then showed me a pic of it and one of her with what she was wearing on her way to my hotel. She showed up on time, I met her in the lobby and took her up to my room. And then she proceeded to blow my mind. Passionate kisses, incredible deepthroat, trailing spit everywhere. Beautiful little pussy which I warmed up for her, and then placed her little plug. It might have been we were just a perfect fit, but we started out mish, and she just started cumming. Then doggy, then side, then she just rode me, cumming again and again, sweat pouring off of her. It was one of the most erotic sessions ever. We took a bit of a breather, pulled the plug, slowly entered her ass, and went round the positions again. Finished buried in her ass, missionary style so I could look at all of her. It was really amazing. Repeat? God yes. Really. Top 3. Wish business could get me back to Sao Paulo sooner. I would book her the whole time I was there. I love variety. But this was incredible.
Oh. And 1/4 the price of the Scandello experience.[/QUOTE]Great report. Thanks. It warms my heart a bit that you found a gem on photoaccopahantes. I had an amazing experience a few years back on PA. (along with Scandalo, Tangara, Casarao). I'the been bummed that everyone trashes it as pure bait and switch and I'm sure 90% is. But I was guessing it's a lot like seeking Arrangments. That is 99% lame BS and 1% diamond home runs that are worth sifting thru the pile. Glad you found your gem!
Is there a money-changing place around Renaissance Hotel or the Jardim area?
Thanks in advance.
Not the end of the world but I'm curious on this one.
When I go to Tangara I get charged the R120/ R180 rates, and those match up with the prices I see on the local message boards for Sao Paulo.
Most of the others though, I'm getting hit with higher rates than what I see the locals pay, though they are consistent with what I see mentioned here. I made sure I was looking at recent reports from this month too. Am I missing something, are certain girls more expensive, or am I getting a gringo based upcharge?
Again the prices are still very reasonable, but just interested for my own peace of mind. Thanks.
[QUOTE=JZeleznik;2763961]Not the end of the world but I'm curious on this one.
When I go to Tangara I get charged the R120/ R180 rates, and those match up with the prices I see on the local message boards for Sao Paulo.
Most of the others though, I'm getting hit with higher rates than what I see the locals pay, though they are consistent with what I see mentioned here. I made sure I was looking at recent reports from this month too. Am I missing something, are certain girls more expensive, or am I getting a gringo based upcharge?
Again the prices are still very reasonable, but just interested for my own peace of mind. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Some clinicas give discounts to those who post reviews on gp-[URL]guia.net[/URL] (usually an hour for the price of half an hour). Tangara doesn't.
[QUOTE=JohnCorey;2763888]Is there a money-changing place around Renaissance Hotel or the Jardim area?
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]You shouldn't have a problem finding a casa de cambio on Avenida paulista with using google maps. I detected at least 3 of them. However, I found these places to give about the same exchange rate of about 25-30 centavos below the exchange rate de jour. If you find an exchange house that offers a better rate of exchange then please report back.
[QUOTE=Maelstrom;2763724]Is the Bourbon Hotel chica friendly?[/QUOTE]Always! This hotel is a famous monger spot. I ran into fellow mongers in the lobby a few times.
[QUOTE=JohnCorey;2763888]Is there a money-changing place around Renaissance Hotel or the Jardim area?
[/QUOTE]Seattle Tourism FX, are. Oscar Freire, 146 B. This is best FX exchange shop in town and a short downhill walk from the Renaissance.
[QUOTE=DarkStar112;2763133]Hello Fellow Mongers.[/QUOTE]Man, you must have a lot of money to throw away like that. Are you US-American? You guys have no idea how to deal with women, not even prostitutes.
[QUOTE=Incrociatore;2764250]Man, you must have a lot of money to throw away like that. Are you US-American? You guys have no idea how to deal with women, not even prostitutes.[/QUOTE]Why would you post this negative comment? The OP filed a good trip report. Ok, he admitted he chose a Scandallo unwisely and in haste and then he let the girl get away with a CBJ in the room. Everybody fucks up once in a while, but the OP reports all this honestly, so I say, cut him some slack.
The important point is that in November 2022,800 br / session in Scandallo is not out of the ordinary. I have had Scandallo girls ask me anywhere from 500 br to 2500 br for an in-house session. In most cases the girls will agree to half of their original ask when I offer it. So, the real question is, is a Tier 1 Scandallo girl worth 1200 br / hour? I am talking about approximately 10% of the girls on a Thursday or Friday night IE the really good-looking model quality girls. The answer is that it's up to the individual punter. Some guys don't like Tier 1 model quality girls. They prefer something a little raunchier. Some guys can't afford Tier 1 model quality girls. And some guys will not play at this price level on principal even if they can easily afford it. But saying a guy doesn't know what he is doing because he went to Scandallo and paid the ballpark rate without negotiating it down is just wrong and not very friendly.
Your negativity indicates that either you have never been to Scandallo or you have been there, but do not like paying Scandallo prices. In the latter case, that is fine. It is your money, spend it any way you like on anyone who will accept it. But in the former case, I think you might want to hold back on the criticism. There are some girls in Scandallo that you will not find in other boates, clinicas, or RJ termas and that's a fact.
To: Axel.
"In most cases the girls will agree to half of their original ask when I offer it" I might have to try that when I get back down there haha.
[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2764023]Some clinicas give discounts to those who post reviews on gp-[URL]guia.net[/URL] (usually an hour for the price of half an hour). Tangara doesn't.[/QUOTE]Ah, yeah that explains it perfectly. Thanks for the heads up!
Also I agree 100% with what Axel said, and I'll take this opportunity to share a recent misstep I had in Scandallo (11/16).
It's midweek and I see one of the top tier model level girls who's exactly my type. We start chatting, and my Portuguese is terrible, her English is similar, but we have a lot of chemistry. We talk for a long time, she doesn't ask for anything, doesn't ask about going upstairs, nothing. We've been fooling around a bit and I finally ask her how much to go upstairs, and she comes back with R1,800. I turn that down, offer R1,200 for 1. 5 hours. She asked for R1,500, I say no, she accepts the R1,200.
Now R800/ hour is the most I'd ever pay in Scandallo, but for 1. 5 hours it was still consistent with that rate, and as I only go once a week I didn't want to potentially waste the cover charge and not enjoy myself. Plus as I mentioned she was a knockout and we had great chemistry, so I didn't want to miss the opportunity as the odds of never running into her again are pretty high. So anyway, we go to the room, the chemistry is still in full effect as we're fooling around, BUT it turns out she is a germophobe and is the first / only girl in Brazil (out of, I don't even know, 40+) to do a CBJ. It's a question I'd ask anywhere else, but I don't even think to ask in Brazil anymore because I had never encountered it. So now could I have pushed the issue? Sure, but then what do I get? I'm 99% sure the answer is mediocre BBJ, all that chemistry would evaporate, and I'd be left with 1. 5 hours of mechanical sex. Or I can walk and I'm in a shit mood for the rest of the evening.
Instead I didn't say anything, took a bit of an L on the BJ and price, but still had an okay time. Would I have agreed to it knowing I was getting a CBJ? No, but I'd still have shelled out R700 for an hour between the looks / chemistry. Not every experience goes flawlessly, but some of my most fun and memorable experiences have been with girls who weren't exactly what I wanted (for clarity not suggesting anyone try scraping the bottom of the barrel here, I'm talking a brunette when you want a blonde, a white girl when you want an Asian girl). We do the best we can, hopefully learn from it, and most importantly get some enjoyment out of our time / money. Like everyone else my clock is only counting in one direction, and I'm not particularly interested in being buried with every penny I ever earned.
[QUOTE=Incrociatore;2764250]Man, you must have a lot of money to throw away like that. Are you US-American? You guys have no idea how to deal with women, not even prostitutes.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2764291]Why would you post this negative comment?
Your negativity indicates that either you have never been to Scandallo or you have been there, but do not like paying Scandallo prices. In the latter case, that is fine. It is your money, spend it any way you like on anyone who will accept it. But in the former case, I think you might want to hold back on the criticism. There are some girls in Scandallo that you will not find in other boates, clinicas, or RJ termas and that's a fact.[/QUOTE]I concur AH with your assessment of the negative commenter (Incrociatore). Just no need for this especially the anti-American comment.
[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2764124]Seattle Tourism FX, are. Oscar Freire, 146 B. This is best FX exchange shop in town and a short downhill walk from the Renaissance.[/QUOTE]Great news amigo! I've grown extensively tired of all the horrible exchange rates that the vast majority of money exchangers offer in SP. Your contribution is valuable intel and I salute your efforts as a sexual soldier of fortune in the concrete jungles of sampa.
[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2764124]Seattle Tourism FX, are. Oscar Freire, 146 B. This is best FX exchange shop in town and a short downhill walk from the Renaissance.[/QUOTE]Thanks a lot for this. I usually use my go to place in Rio before coming to SP but I am a bunch of nerves walking back to the hotel after changing a bunch of cash in Copa. Will try this one next time I am in SP.
[QUOTE=Anaggie;2764420]Thanks a lot for this. I usually use my go to place in Rio before coming to SP but I am a bunch of nerves walking back to the hotel after changing a bunch of cash in Copa. Will try this one next time I am in SP.[/QUOTE]Why exchange money at all? I no longer do that. Get a debit card from a solid financial institution that refunds all ATM fees. I recommend Schwab, as have many others. One great feature with Schwab is that after you've pulled money from an ATM, you can then go online and lock your account so that it can't be used again until you are ready to get more cash and unlock the account yourself. Great security tool! Get an ATM card where the bank refunds ATM fees, use and ATM in a secure location, then lock / unlock your account as required. And voila you're good!
[QUOTE=JZeleznik;2764309]...Instead I didn't say anything, took a bit of an L on the BJ and price, but still had an okay time. Would I have agreed to it knowing I was getting a CBJ? No,.[/QUOTE]I think you are more likely to get it if you ask in advance. The last report before yours is also CBJ. You can't rely on chemistry (IOP). I have gone thru this cycle many times. Every time when I became comfortable not asking, I got CBJ but I have always asked in Scandallo and the answer is always yes.
[QUOTE=TheCane;2764430]Why exchange money at all? I no longer do that. Get a debit card from a solid financial institution that refunds all ATM fees. I recommend Schwab, as have many others. One great feature with Schwab is that after you've pulled money from an ATM, you can then go online and lock your account so that it can't be used again until you are ready to get more cash and unlock the account yourself. Great security tool! Get an ATM card where the bank refunds ATM fees, use and ATM in a secure location, then lock / unlock your account as required. And voila you're good![/QUOTE]With all due respect brother cane. Nobody would care about places to exchange cash if they weren't showing up to Brazil with just that, cash! Some of us clearly prefer to use ATM's thus keeping small amounts of cash on hand. That's Fair enough. It shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone that there are some mongers out there who like to bring cash to pay for their shady mongering activities instead. Some mongers are married and prefer to hide their everyday purchases from the prying eyes of their spouses. Believe it or not, there are many bm'ers who appreciate great intel on where to change hard cash as exchange houses in Brasil vary widely on the exchange rates they offer.
[QUOTE=TheCane;2764430]Why exchange money at all? I no longer do that. Get a debit card from a solid financial institution that refunds all ATM fees. I recommend Schwab, as have many others. One great feature with Schwab is that after you've pulled money from an ATM, you can then go online and lock your account so that it can't be used again until you are ready to get more cash and unlock the account yourself. Great security tool! Get an ATM card where the bank refunds ATM fees, use and ATM in a secure location, then lock / unlock your account as required. And voila you're good![/QUOTE]Cane, you and I think a like (sometimes). KKK. I have been using the Schwab Debit Card for years and it is changed the way I travel. Now I only carry $500 to $1000 in cash as an emergency back-up. I need that much because my trips are always between 6 and 11 weeks.
But as you suggest, in the back of my mind I knew there is always the possibility that something might happen to my Schwab card and then I would be up shit creek and forced to draw money from one of my credit cards at a huge price. But just before I left on my recent Oct / Nov SP trip, I found a solution: another zero ATM fee bank debit card. It is called the Needham Bank Debit Card. It works just like the Schwab Debit Card only my ATM fee was refunded into my Needham checking account the very next day! You can't ask for more than that. I recommend it.
[QUOTE=DaruDesi89;2764054]Always! This hotel is a famous monger spot. I ran into fellow mongers in the lobby a few times.[/QUOTE]All business class hotels in Brazil are girl-friendly. It's part of the culture. Many upright and seemingly upright and upscale, family-friendly residence hotels in SP have functioned as "work spaces" for GPS particularly during the pandemic, though I don't think so much now, with occupancy and prices much higher this year. Almost all of the women I visited in SP during 2021 had that type of setup. And for the record I am making this on my own personal experience in the past two years.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2764478]I think you are more likely to get it if you ask in advance. The last report before yours is also CBJ. You can't rely on chemistry (IOP). I have gone thru this cycle many times. Every time when I became comfortable not asking, I got CBJ but I have always asked in Scandallo and the answer is always yes.[/QUOTE]Covered BJ is an oddity in Brazil, and I'm telling you this as someone who just finished four months in Brazil and my fifth visit. I have only once experienced a CBJ in Brazil and that was with a GP in Recife, who despite good reviews in GP Guia gave me a true "Colombian" experience. Back massage, then the flip over, Covered BJ and then cowgirl with her mouth a meter away from mine. That's normal in Colombia but an anomaly among GPS in Brazil. Perhaps its more common in low-end brothels, but not up to independent GP standards. That said, stories about CBJ in Brazil from true independent GPS are very dubious and probably fictitious.
[QUOTE=Anaggie;2764420]Thanks a lot for this. I usually use my go to place in Rio before coming to SP but I am a bunch of nerves walking back to the hotel after changing a bunch of cash in Copa. Will try this one next time I am in SP.[/QUOTE]Thank you.
[QUOTE=TheCane;2764430]Why exchange money at all? I no longer do that. Get a debit card from a solid financial institution that refunds all ATM fees. I recommend Schwab, as have many others. One great feature with Schwab is that after you've pulled money from an ATM, you can then go online and lock your account so that it can't be used again until you are ready to get more cash and unlock the account yourself. Great security tool! Get an ATM card where the bank refunds ATM fees, use and ATM in a secure location, then lock / unlock your account as required. And voila you're good![/QUOTE]Old habits die hard. I guess.
Plus, I second what OJeito said. No banking trail.
Cash solves a lot of problems faster than having to get cash out of an ATM just in case anything happens.
[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2764529]Covered BJ is an oddity in Brazil, and I'm telling you this as someone who just finished four months in Brazil and my fifth visit. I have only once experienced a CBJ in Brazil and that was with a GP in Recife, who despite good reviews in GP Guia gave me a true "Colombian" experience. Back massage, then the flip over, Covered BJ and then cowgirl with her mouth a meter away from mine. That's normal in Colombia but an anomaly among GPS in Brazil. Perhaps its more common in low-end brothels, but not up to independent GP standards. That said, stories about CBJ in Brazil from true independent GPS are very dubious and probably fictitious.[/QUOTE]This is my experience in SP & RJ too. I can only recall 2 or 3 girls even attempting to give me a CBJ after 4 trips and a cumulative 24 weeks in the country. And on those rare 2 or 3 rare times when I girl tried to put a condom on my dick for a BJ, I politely sadi "no," and the girls changed their minds and gave me good BBBJ's without any further discussion on the issue. So, I believe BBBJ's are the default position in Brazil, and I do not believe there is any need to discuss it with a boate, terma, or clinca girl before taking her upstairs.
Bareback sex is another story, however. 95% of my Brazilian girls insist on the condom even after repeat sessions which sets Brazil far apart from countries like Indonesia and the PI where bareback sex is almost the default. If Brazilian girls were not so sexy and good at what they do, I would be back in Pattaya, Jakarta, and MNL before anyone could say, "safe sex". KKK.
[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2764529]Covered BJ is an [b]oddity[/b] in Brazil, and I'm telling you this as someone who just finished four months in Brazil and my fifth visit. ..[/QUOTE]Go to read gpguia reports and come back to tell us that it is consistent with your generalization.
[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2764529]... someone who just finished four months in Brazil and my fifth visit. .... Back massage, then the flip over, Covered BJ and then cowgirl with her mouth a meter away from mine. That's normal in Colombia but an anomaly among GPS in Brazil. Perhaps its more common in low-end brothels, ....[/QUOTE]
I know members who live in Brazil more than 5 months a year will disagree with your assessment about low-end brothel. As far as Colombia goes, it depends. For the past 6 month, I am 100% BBBJ with out-calls. BBFS percentage also much higher than in Brazil. I am still here in SA.
[QUOTE=XXL;2710018].... I can now safely say that if you don't agree oral without condom beforehand at Casarao [b]90% of chances are you'll get covered blow-job[/b]. If good accommodation had not become so expensive in SP I'd say you'd be a fool to go for a mongering holiday anywhere else but in SP right now.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2764529]stories about CBJ in Brazil from true independent GPS are very dubious and probably fictitious.[/QUOTE]Why would people make this up?
I don't deny your experience but experience from other members who spent time to write the reports are at least equal to yours.
Hello friends,
I will be Sao Paolo this weekend. Is there a list for the low end brothels or a google map to SAO paolo activities? Are there fishbowl style brothels there (or peru arena style brothels with individual rooms) . I love the pricing in Peru and Panama. What is pricing in places in Sao Paolo?
Thanks brothers.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2764858]Go to read gpguia reports and come back to tell us that it is consistent with your generalization. I know members who live in Brazil more than 5 months a year will disagree with your assessment about low-end brothel. As far as Colombia goes, it depends. For the past 6 month, I am 100% BBBJ with out-calls. BBFS percentage also much higher than in Brazil. I am still here in SA.
Why would people make this up? I don't deny your experience but experience from other members who spent time to write the reports are at least equal to yours.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Leefalcon;2765071]Hello friends,
I will be Sao Paolo this weekend. Is there a list for the low end brothels or a google map to SAO paolo activities? Are there fishbowl style brothels there (or peru arena style brothels with individual rooms) . I love the pricing in Peru and Panama. What is pricing in places in Sao Paolo?
Thanks brothers.[/QUOTE]
Did you even try to look at the Brazil [b]User Blog[/b] Directory before asking/posting? Since in Big Letters it says [B]Sao Paulo Map[/B].
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4065-Sao-Paulo-Map[/URL]
[QUOTE=Leefalcon;2765071]Hello friends,
I will be Sao Paolo this weekend. Is there a list for the low end brothels or a google map to SAO paolo activities? Are there fishbowl style brothels there (or peru arena style brothels with individual rooms) . I love the pricing in Peru and Panama. What is pricing in places in Sao Paolo?
Thanks brothers.[/QUOTE]They are on GUGuia. That is where you will find them. It's a long list. These three will get you started and they are walking distance to each other.
Look up the bold terms on google map. Go during day time. Bring some loose changes with you to tip the elevator operator, she will ask for tip. Take the elevator all the way to the top, and work your way down floor by floor. These are the popular ones that are easier to get to that I remember by memory so my description can be off. If you take metro to Luz station, and walk, you will also see street girls and some are not female. This is not a good area so stay on the main streets.
[B]dos Andradas 69[/B]: The one is popular around noon time. You have sex in cardboard box, cubicle style setup. Some girls will grab you so don't carry unnecessary stuff.
[B]Shopping 1 Hotel[/B]: This one is closer to peru style but it is nasty like all the others.
[B]hotel start inn ltda[/B]: It's the yellow building next to it. There are two bars on each floor, 8 floors so 16 bars total. This gets busy after work.
Can you do addresses and maps of these please?
Agent Vagabundo swiss naval intelligence needs to develop some sampa assets.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2765267]They are on GUGuia. That is where you will find them. It's a long list. These three will get you started and they are walking distance to each other.
Look up the bold terms on google map. Go during day time. Bring some loose changes with you to tip the elevator operator, she will ask for tip. Take the elevator all the way to the top, and work your way down floor by floor. These are the popular ones that are easier to get to that I remember by memory so my description can be off. If you take metro to Luz station, and walk, you will also see street girls and some are not female. This is not a good area so stay on the main streets.
[B]dos Andradas 69[/B]: The one is popular around noon time. You have sex in cardboard box, cubicle style setup. Some girls will grab you so don't carry unnecessary stuff.
[B]Shopping 1 Hotel[/B]: This one is closer to peru style but it is nasty like all the others.
[B]hotel start inn ltda[/B]: It's the yellow building next to it. There are two bars on each floor, 8 floors so 16 bars total. This gets busy after work.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Anaggie;2764693]Old habits die hard. I guess.
Plus, I second what OJeito said. No banking trail.
Cash solves a lot of problems faster than having to get cash out of an ATM just in case anything happens.[/QUOTE]Exactly, every seasoned traveller knows relying only on ATM's for cash is foolhardy. Many things can wrong, cash is always king in first and third world countries whether you are traveling for business or pleasure.
[QUOTE=JohnCorey;2765533]Exactly, every seasoned traveller knows relying only on ATM's for cash is foolhardy. Many things can wrong, cash is always king in first and third world countries whether you are traveling for business or pleasure.[/QUOTE]Here we go again. I am a seasoned traveler. Far more than most people alive in the world today. Quite literally all of my natural life! Agree it's always good to have some backup, but relying on cash from ATMs in a first world country is actually pretty darn safe. That's known from deep and direct experience. Also agree that in a third world country not nearly as much and better to have cash. But here's the thing. I don't know about anyone else, but this seasoned world traveler doesn't monger in third world countries! I've been to some of those places but didn't monger. If I did or had wanted too, then yes cash in hand would have been king. But no, I monger in first and second world countries exclusively where relying on ATMs versus carrying a large sum of cash (like $7,000 or more) keeps me and my money far more safe and secure from theft and / or bodily harm. In conclusion, and contrary to your assertion, au contraire! Seasoned international travelers know that relying upon pulling cash from ATM machines in places like a Germany or a Brazil (or even in the Philippines or Thailand) is the smarter way to go versus having thousands of dollars laying around (I trick off big bucks when I go bro). I agree that there isn't necessarily a "right" way to monger. But there are "smart" and "safe" ways to monger. And that includes not traveling with very large sums of cash if you don't have to. Live well, prosper, and carry forth and monger!
[QUOTE=JohnCorey;2765533]Exactly, every seasoned traveller knows relying only on ATM's for cash is foolhardy. Many things can wrong, cash is always king in first and third world countries whether you are traveling for business or pleasure.[/QUOTE]I use ATMs every where I go which includes third world countries and have never had a problem ever in decades of travelling. I also bring some cash. If I ever have a problem with ATMs then mongering stops and I have enough cash for essentials.
[QUOTE=JohnCorey;2765533]Exactly, every seasoned traveller knows [b]relying only[/b] on ATM's for cash is foolhardy. Many things can wrong, cash is always king in first and third world countries whether you are traveling for business or pleasure.[/QUOTE]I think we all are in agreement. I don't use ATM in Argentina at all. In fact, certain place in Buenos Aires won't take cash and they force you to use your card.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2765576]I think we all are in agreement. I don't use ATM in Argentina at all. In fact, certain place in Buenos Aires won't take cash and they force you to use your card.[/QUOTE]Argentina is different because of the official and blue rates. Cash is king there.
I was able to find one of these on a map. [URL]https://www.google.com/maps/place/hotel[/URL]+start+inn+ltda. / at -23.5410301,-46.6493227,15.92 z / data=!4 m8!3 m7!1 s0 x94 ce59 de90 d3407 d:0 x6 f9 f032783072960!5 m2!4 m1!1 i2!8 m2!3 d-23.5392877!4 d-46.643563.
[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2765390]Can you do addresses and maps of these please?
Agent Vagabundo swiss naval intelligence needs to develop some sampa assets.[/QUOTE]
Hi mongers.
I am in SP again, third time this year. Would love to meet fellow mongers as always. Please DM me if anyone is interested to meet up.
Also, any recommendation for massage place similar to Lotus Lounge Massagem? Love that place but tired of seeing same gals there, TIA.
Cheers.
[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2765390]Can you do addresses and maps of these please?[/QUOTE]Shopping 1 Hotel, Rua Santa Ifignia, 1, Santa Ifignia, So Paulo. SP, 01207-010.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2760207]Damn, that's it. I used Whatsapp on my PC as well as on my phone. It must have been hacked via PC.[/QUOTE]You will notice if you ever try to organize a price with a girl on a phone call or in person, she will say, "Write it in WhatsApp. " Why?
The concept of Big Pimp is that all interactions between men and women should be intermediated by them. Everybody must be monitored, and everybody must pay a price.
WhatsApp is used by Big Pimp as a centralized system for keeping track of all appointments and imposing a heavy tax. For this reason also WhatsApp is rapidly falling out of popularity among customers in the know. After all there are so many different messaging apps out there. You can even fall back on SMS's. They're free if you have a decent phone plan.
Especially if you are seeing a girl more than once, get her off WhatsApp. If she insists on WhatsApp, be suspicious. The likelihood is your conversations are open and she is giving half your money to some utter Bottom Feeder behind the scenes. Really, the Lowest of the Low, you would throw up if you knew.
The more you pay, the greater the ratio that is going to Big Pimp. If you are paying are 1000 Reals for a meeting, chances are the girl is only seeing are 200 of that. So you tell yourself the more you pay, the higher the quality? Wrong. The more you pay, the less the quality. Because the girls feel like slaves and see you as an idiot.
Lest I forget: this is your monthly reminder you should never give your real ID to the reception at a sex club. The first sign a club has been taken over by Big Pimp is that they ask for ID. It is only complete idiots who want to be blackmailed who give their IDs to sex clubs.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2765267]They are on GUGuia. That is where you will find them. It's a long list. These three will get you started and they are walking distance to each other.
Look up the bold terms on google map. Go during day time. Bring some loose changes with you to tip the elevator operator, she will ask for tip. Take the elevator all the way to the top, and work your way down floor by floor. These are the popular ones that are easier to get to that I remember by memory so my description can be off. If you take metro to Luz station, and walk, you will also see street girls and some are not female. This is not a good area so stay on the main streets.
[B]dos Andradas 69[/B]: The one is popular around noon time. You have sex in cardboard box, cubicle style setup. Some girls will grab you so don't carry unnecessary stuff.
[B]Shopping 1 Hotel[/B]: This one is closer to peru style but it is nasty like all the others.
[B]hotel start inn ltda[/B]: It's the yellow building next to it. There are two bars on each floor, 8 floors so 16 bars total. This gets busy after work.[/QUOTE]Nounce.
I always wondered about the SP prives and trash buildings (that's the name on GP-guia). Are there hidden gems there? How would you rate the top 10% girls in the prives / trash compared to top 10% girls in the clinicas. I've only hit the clinicas, and there still at least dozen clinicas on my to visit list. A lot of clinicas are 200 r or less for one hour with expected high level of service. MOAH and Indy are 150 r, and they are some of my favorites. Prives / trash cost like 40 r for 15 minutes. Which is not that much different prorated. Besides having a quickie in not so clean box, am I missing something? My thought is I didn't fly to Brazil to have a cheap quickie. Maybe some guys like the thrill of getting the cheapest session in any locale.
[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2765913]....If you are paying are 1000 Reals for a meeting, chances are the girl is only seeing are 200 of that......[/QUOTE]That is only if the girl is somehow in his debt and owes him for something he has done for her. In the normal course of things isn't it usually 50/50?
The measure is taken at a time of rising cases of Covid in Brazil and also in the state. In São Paulo, this week, the growth of the moving average of infections, in relation to the data of two weeks before, exceeded 70%. [URL]https://www1.folha.uol.com.br/equilibrioesaude/2022/11/mascara-volta-a-ser-obrigatoria-no-onibus-metro-e-trem-de-sp-neste-sabado-26.shtml?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=comptw[/URL].
[QUOTE=SamaRiding;2766460]... Are there hidden gems there? ...[/QUOTE]You almost have to go everyday and several times a day to find it occasionally in places like dos Andradas 69. They may appear one morning, then gone the next day. This is based on living nearby for more than 2 months. After that, I have never gone back again. It's better to just go to any clinicas. Rio is so much better is this regard.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2766566]You almost have to go everyday and several times a day to find it occasionally in places like dos Andradas 69. They may appear one morning, then gone the next day. This is based on living nearby for more than 2 months. After that, I have never gone back again. It's better to just go to any clinicas. Rio is so much better is this regard.[/QUOTE]I was just there today. Been going there regularly for about 15 years now.
The vast majority of the girls you'll probably pass on, but I almost always find a sweetheart there, and I did again today.
I speak pretty good portuguese, and I treat them very well.
It's a welcome change for the girl from the typical guy that visits.
Over the years I've found and met outside, many times, girls I've met there.
Some of the nicest girls I've met in SP have come from meeting there believe it or not.
Definitely not for everyone. Definitely a trashy place, but I go to find the diamonds, that don't know they're diamonds.
I have a girl I met there a couple months ago coming over tomorrow.
She's happy staying all day, as much love as I want, for a room service meal, and whatever cash I want to pass her.
Sweetheart. Hot.
Heading to Casarao here in a bit.
[QUOTE=TheCane;2765539]Here we go again. I am a seasoned traveler. Far more than most people alive in the world today. Quite literally all of my natural life! Agree it's always good to have some backup, but relying on cash from ATMs in a first world country is actually pretty darn safe. That's known from deep and direct experience. Also agree that in a third world country not nearly as much and better to have cash. But here's the thing. I don't know about anyone else, but this seasoned world traveler doesn't monger in third world countries! I've been to some of those places but didn't monger. If I did or had wanted too, then yes cash in hand would have been king. But no, I monger in first and second world countries exclusively where relying on ATMs versus carrying a large sum of cash (like $7,000 or more) keeps me and my money far more safe and secure from theft and / or bodily harm. In conclusion, and contrary to your assertion, au contraire! Seasoned international travelers know that relying upon pulling cash from ATM machines in places like a Germany or a Brazil (or even in the Philippines or Thailand) is the smarter way to go versus having thousands of dollars laying around (I trick off big bucks when I go bro). I agree that there isn't necessarily a "right" way to monger. But there are "smart" and "safe" ways to monger. And that includes not traveling with very large sums of cash if you don't have to. Live well, prosper, and carry forth and monger![/QUOTE]I've traveled extensively abroad and also never had trouble using ATMs. As far as the Cash is King mantra, of course but that applies to using cards not drawing cash directly from your zero-fee account. Perhaps if you are speaking about very poor countries or regions in Africa, Asia and Latin America, then you can't rely on ATMs. Brazil is not one of those countries. Sao Paulo nor Rio are certainly not one of those regions.
For most mongers, the Schwab ATM and others mentioned is the best advice. When it comes to hiding your trail, some of this might be necessary for a few and others it might be some paranoia. I think of my travel posse and one guy has a real reason for traveling with a wad of cash. He is in a cash business (legit) and he just takes cash out if the till (sort of speak) to finance his traveling and mongering.
[QUOTE=TheCane;2765539]Here we go again. I am a seasoned traveler. Far more than most people alive in the world today. Quite literally all of my natural life! Agree it's always good to have some backup, but relying on cash from ATMs in a first world country is actually pretty darn safe. That's known from deep and direct experience. Also agree that in a third world country not nearly as much and better to have cash. But here's the thing. I don't know about anyone else, but this seasoned world traveler doesn't monger in third world countries! I've been to some of those places but didn't monger. If I did or had wanted too, then yes cash in hand would have been king. But no, I monger in first and second world countries exclusively where relying on ATMs versus carrying a large sum of cash (like $7,000 or more) keeps me and my money far more safe and secure from theft and / or bodily harm. In conclusion, and contrary to your assertion, au contraire! Seasoned international travelers know that relying upon pulling cash from ATM machines in places like a Germany or a Brazil (or even in the Philippines or Thailand) is the smarter way to go versus having thousands of dollars laying around (I trick off big bucks when I go bro). I agree that there isn't necessarily a "right" way to monger. But there are "smart" and "safe" ways to monger. And that includes not traveling with very large sums of cash if you don't have to. Live well, prosper, and carry forth and monger![/QUOTE][URL]https://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/second_world.htm[/URL]
[URL]https://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/third_world_countries.htm[/URL]
You may want to look up what 1st world, 2nd world and 3rd world actually means. You didn't monger in any / many 2nd world countries.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2765576]I think we all are in agreement. I don't use ATM in Argentina at all. In fact, certain place in Buenos Aires won't take cash and they force you to use your card.[/QUOTE]Nonsense! I was in Buenos Aires for a month, beginning the end of August. Not all merchants take cards, and in fact, I noticed most prefer not to! I used my credit card at the grocery store the evening I arrived and had to produce some ID to the cashier. A discussion with my Spanish language instructor revealed that Argentinians are skittish about credit card fraud on both ends of the transaction.
But, humor us a little and tell us just where you were forced to use your card, instead of cash.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2764858]Go to read gpguia reports and come back to tell us that it is consistent with your generalization.
Why would people make this up?
[/QUOTE]I was wondering the same thing, and I was hoping you could tell me the answer, as you would seem like a person who would know. My theory is that guys make up TRs because they are bored INCEL losers, who can't even fathom having sex with a woman for free, so they have to conjure up stories about paying for sex. Am I right?
And yes Junior, I have been reading GP Guia for at least 3 years now. I refer to it constantly when in Brazil for obvious reasons. And yes, the reports on GPS are consistent with my experience. BBBJ is anomaly with truly professional GPS. If you had actual experience with those girls you would know that, by now.
[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2766923]I've traveled extensively abroad and also never had trouble using ATMs. [/QUOTE]Same, that is until today. I landed in SP two days ago and I'm having the hardest time finding a working ATM for my Canadian TD card. Today I tried in a Bradesco, 3 times with different amounts, and all failed yet one of them showed up on my bank account. Took a bunch of time to file a claim. Tried a bunch of different ATMs, keep getting errors. Only the "24 h ATM" one with very high fees (24 real) and 1000 real limit worked for me so far.
[QUOTE=JustIncognito;2766956][URL]https://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/second_world.htm[/URL]
[URL]https://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/third_world_countries.htm[/URL]
You may want to look up what 1st world, 2nd world and 3rd world actually means. You didn't monger in any / many 2nd world countries.[/QUOTE]And seconds and thirds (and even fourths). First, you don't know everywhere in the world I've been and where I've mongered. Second, the links you posted are just one opinion. There are others that I prefer to follow, and that I think are more in tune with current times than the traditional definition you cite, such as the one found in this link:
[URL]https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/second-world.asp[/URL]
"But the term 'second world' has also been used to cover countries that are more stable and more developed than the offensive term 'third-world' countries, but less-stable and less-developed than first world countries. Examples of second-world countries by this definition [B]include almost all of Latin and South America, Turkey, Thailand, South Africa, and many others[/B]. Investors sometimes refer to second world countries that appear to be headed toward first world status as 'emerging markets' instead."
Third, you may want to fully educate and inform yourself before you try educating and informing anybody else. And fourth, there's even a designation known as "the fourth world", but I'm not going there. You have a happy holiday season!
[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2766965]Nonsense! I was in Buenos Aires for a month, beginning the end of August. Not all merchants take cards, and in fact, I noticed most prefer not to! I used my credit card at the grocery store the evening I arrived and had to produce some ID to the cashier. A discussion with my Spanish language instructor revealed that Argentinians are skittish about credit card fraud on both ends of the transaction. But, humor us a little and tell us just where you were forced to use your card, instead of cash.[/QUOTE]I have never been [B]anywhere[/B] including in the United States where a merchant preferred the use of a credit card (unless it was online) much less "forced" me to use one. If anything it was the other way around (cash and no credit). Why? The reason is because merchants have to pay a fee to the credit card companies for each transaction, and they don't like that. But in today's modern age they really don't have a choice. Either accept credit cards or go out of business. Just had this very discussion yesterday with my favorite grocer.
[QUOTE=Darwin;2767002]Same, that is until today. I landed in SP two days ago and I'm having the hardest time finding a working ATM for my Canadian TD card. Today I tried in a Bradesco, 3 times with different amounts, and all failed yet one of them showed up on my bank account. Took a bunch of time to file a claim. Tried a bunch of different ATMs, keep getting errors. Only the "24 h ATM" one with very high fees (24 real) and 1000 real limit worked for me so far.[/QUOTE]Darwin, if you are still having trouble withdrawing cash from Bradesco or Banco Santander using your TD Bank Debit card, I suggest you try the ATM Machine located inside the SP Grand Hyatt Hotel. It is my favorite ATM in SP because it allows withdrawals of up to 2300 br. Bradesco and Banco Santander limit me to 1500 br withdrawals even in their large branch offices on Ave Paulista and Ave Faria Lima.
Now once in a blue moon one of these ATM's may not dispense the money requested on account of it being out of cash. Shortages can happen, but the next day everything will work fine as it should. If this happens to you more than once at several different branches, I would definitely have a serious talk with your bank. I got to tell you, I am not a fan of TD Bank. I had an account with them a few years back in connection to a commercial piece of real estate I owned. I found TD Bank difficult to deal with compared to other banks I had business dealings with like Chase and Wells Fargo.
[QUOTE=TheCane;2767099]I have never been [B]anywhere[/B] including in the United States where a merchant preferred the use of a credit card (unless it was online) much less "forced" me to use one...[/QUOTE]That just shows that you don't know what you are talking about. LOL. I am not the only person at Buenos Aires at that time. It reminded me the cash is king debate here, hehe. Another ISGer was with me. That is all I need to say.
Money has changed a lot in the past 2.8 years, and you are right senor nounce.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2767190]That just shows that you don't know what you are talking about. LOL. I am not the only person at Buenos Aires at that time. It reminded me the cash is king debate here, hehe. Another ISGer was with me. That is all I need to say.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Nounce;2767190]That just shows that you don't know what you are talking about. LOL. I am not the only person at Buenos Aires at that time. It reminded me the cash is king debate here, hehe. Another ISGer was with me. That is all I need to say.[/QUOTE][B]Somebody else[/B] (Eszpresszo) specifically questioned what you said about Buenos Aires (I didn't and made a general observation about what I know to be true), but then you attack [B]me[/B], and still didn't answer the question at that (yes humor us). No, I know darn well what I'm talking about, including what's a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd world country according to modern geopolitics versus outdated definitions from the past (looks like Mr. JustIncognito's attempt to also make it look like I didn't know what I was talking about actually made [B]him[/B] look like that). And yes, it does remind of the cash is king debate, after which you pledged to keep it shut remember? When it comes to mongering [B]cash is king[/B]. Just make sure you're getting it out of a safe, reliable, and secure ATM machine in a 1st or 2nd world country (because you may not even find one in a 3rd world country) using a card from an institution that refunds all ATM fees. Experience gained from over 50 countries on 5 continents! You have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year too LMAO!
[QUOTE=Darwin;2767002]Same, that is until today. I landed in SP two days ago and I'm having the hardest time finding a working ATM for my Canadian TD card. Today I tried in a Bradesco, 3 times with different amounts, and all failed yet one of them showed up on my bank account. Took a bunch of time to file a claim. Tried a bunch of different ATMs, keep getting errors. Only the "24 h ATM" one with very high fees (24 real) and 1000 real limit worked for me so far.[/QUOTE]TD has 60 days to credit you after you registered the claim. Every withdrawal attempt goes against your daily limit, keep it in mind. Once you exceed your daily limit every next attempt will show an error. Also, not every ATM at Bradesco's branch will dispense cash to you, only few machines on VISA system. Nothing you can do other than avoid busy mornings, long lines when ATMs may run out of cash, weekends etc, and always take pictures of the machine and errors screens. Do your withdrawals during Canadian business hours, mind time difference.
[QUOTE=TheCane;2767209]...but then you attack [B]me[/B]...[/QUOTE]It's just good nature jabbing. LOL. I don't even have any ill feeling toward you but there are things that I underestimated that casued things to go south, like this instance too.
When we were asked to be paid by credit card, my immediate reaction was can we pay double? Because we don't use or carry credit card in BA. The reason is obvious to us so there wasn't even a discussion. Argentina needs dollars. When we pay 10 USD in credit card, we will pay the equivalnet of 5 USD in cash in peso. It's in the government's best interest to get tourists to pay in USD if they have a choice. The government put a large fee on Argentina credit card for USD purchase for the same reason so when you pay 10 USD in foreign purchase, it came out on the credit card bill as the equivalent of 20 USD in official exchange rate.
The cash is king comments wasn't that bad. I was actually on the ground gathering and posting information to share. It would be something else otherwise. I think in this case, the poster was saying to insist only on a single one is not smart. What to disagree about that?
I have a posting history. There were several posts about CBJ. I think there was one post sharing my experience at Casarao and I said I looked up old info after to verify my findings. I stayed a short distance away for several weeks that I frequent it several times a week so I think that gives me a good enough perspective. Most of my posts are sharing in nature and I wasn't even complaining. Instead, it is you go, but these are the situations that happened to me, see if you can do better knowing them. Most of the things I talked about is my real experience, for weeks if not months. I avoid talking things that I don't have experience about but I don't expect my experience would be the same as others.
I prefer making friends and I have made some great friends here. Frequently I am humbled by others' experience and knowledge. If you tell me you never get CBJ, I believe you because I have met people like that in person, and I won't be naive to think that is what I will get either.
[QUOTE=TheCane;2767099]I have never been [B]anywhere[/B] including in the United States where a merchant preferred the use of a credit card (unless it was online) much less "forced" me to use one. If anything it was the other way around (cash and no credit). Why? The reason is because merchants have to pay a fee to the credit card companies for each transaction, and they don't like that. But in today's modern age they really don't have a choice. Either accept credit cards or go out of business. Just had this very discussion yesterday with my favorite grocer.[/QUOTE]I am not going to delve into the "Cash is King" debate. It comes down to personal preference.
I personally prefer cash for hobbying and credit card for everything else. I also don't bring too much cash with me when traveling and mainly use ATMs. I do carry spare emergency cash and the amount depends on location and length of stay.
There are lots of great advice provided by many BMs, but I think the best one the use of the Schwab card or other banks / accounts that refunds ATM fees.
I do want to disagree to some extent about merchants 1) preferring cash over CC and 2) that there aren't a lot of places that are cashless.
1).
Whether a business prefers cash or CC has a lot to do with their size, as well as geography. The larger the business, the more they prefer CC.
It is cheaper to deal with CC transactions as they don't need to worry about theft, security and it increases transaction time, which can lower labor costs. There are also other benefits that I am not listing for the business. The larger businesses also pay a smaller fee to the CC companies.
Some countries also cap CC fees / intresst rates and have more cashless options than just the major CC companies. Sweden is currently 80%+ cashless.
A smaller business, especially one that want to avoid taxes or do money laundering, would prefer cash and only offer CC payment to stay competitive.
2).
I've been to numerous stores covering 4 continents that are cashless (they won't accept cash). Some cities where those stores are located in are New York City, Shanghai, London, Stockholm and Singapore.
I've also been to many places (usually bars and restaurants) that ONLY take cash. As well as countless places that charges a CC surcharge.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2767331]It's just good nature jabbing. LOL. I don't even have any ill feeling toward you but there are things that I underestimated that casued things to go south, like this instance too.
When we were asked to be paid by credit card, my immediate reaction was can we pay double? Because we don't use and carry credit card in BA. The reason is obvious to us so there wasn't even a discussion. Argentina needs dollars. When we pay 10 USD in credit card, we will pay the equivalnet of 5 USD in cash in peso. It's in the government's best interest to get tourists to pay in USD if they have a choice. The government put a large fee on Argentina credit card for USD purchase for the same reason so when you pay 10 USD in foreign purchase, it came out on the credit card bill as the equivalent of 20 USD in official exchange rate.
The cash is king comments wasn't that bad. I was actually on the ground gathering and posting information to share. It would be something else otherwise.
I have a posting history. There were several posts about CBJ. I think there was one post sharing my experience at Casarao and I said I looked up old info after to verify my findings. I stayed a short distance away for several weeks that I frequent it several times a week so I think that gives me a good enough perspective. Most of my posts are sharing in nature and I wasn't even complaining. Instead, it is you go, but these are the situations that happened to me, see if you can do better knowing them. Most of the things I talked about is my real experience, for weeks if not months. I avoid talking things that I don't have experience about but I don't expect my experience will be the same as others.
I make some great friends here. Frequently I am humbled by others' experience and knowledge. If you tell me you never get CBJ, I believe you because I have met people like that in person, and I won't be nave to think that is what I will get either. I prefer making friends than making enemies.[/QUOTE]What say ye? After all, you started this, I didn't. I only hope that the post versus pre-pandemic world isn't so different that we now have to compensate tutes after they've given us BBBJ / CIM with "pay by tap" to the tongue. Stick it out baby! Or, perhaps you prefer my card inserted between your butt cheeks after anal? No need to swipe as it has a chip!
[QUOTE=SocratesNY;2767334]I've been to numerous stores covering 4 continents that are cashless (they won't accept it). Some cities where those stores are located are New York City, Shanghai, London, Stockholm and Singapore.
I've also been to many places (usually bars and restaurants) that ONLY take cash. As well as countless places that charges a CC surcharge.[/QUOTE]I don't question anything that you say. Just know that my travels are extensive and I have never ever been "forced" to use a credit card ever, including in New York City and London (never been to Shanghai or Stockholm). Again, if it broke one way or the other, they wanted cash and would not accept a credit card for whatever reason (seems when I travel abroad I don't find myself dealing with a lot of the huge commercial concerns that you mention but more mom and pop places). I don't doubt that it can and does happen (required to use credit), and my point is not to delegitimize anybody else's experiences, but I've traveled enough to know that in the overwhelming number of circumstances, a traveler will have the option of paying with cash [B]or[/B] credit if you stick to the beaten path in the first or second world. Vendors want to be flexible where they can and get that tourist money.
I appreciate you not wanting to dip into the "cash is king debate", and I really don't want to rehash it either, but from a pure practical standpoint it's true. I'll just leave it like this. When we go to a termas, a boate, a clinica, to Vila Mimosa or wherever we go, how many tutes whip out their credit card machine so that we can pay them for services rendered LOL? No, they want cash and that's what we give them. The same thing plays out all over the world when it comes to dealing with tutes. I'm like you. For the mongering piece (but also a lot for food and drink too) I will deal in cash, and for many of the other expenses I will use a credit card. And since on a mongering trip my primary purpose for being there is to "monger", that's what I'm spending most of the money on. Mongering which mostly involves a cash transaction between your average trick and your average tute. And since mongering is ultimately what we're all here for, I'm thoroughly convinced that the basic nature of it is what makes cash king. Now when I have to start paying tutes with a credit card OK! But until then (shrugs).
[QUOTE=Nounce;2767331]When we were asked to be paid by credit card, my immediate reaction was can we pay double? Because we don't use or carry credit card in BA. The reason is obvious to us so there wasn't even a discussion. Argentina needs dollars. When we pay 10 USD in credit card, we will pay the equivalnet of 5 USD in cash in peso. It's in the government's best interest to get tourists to pay in USD if they have a choice. The government put a large fee on Argentina credit card for USD purchase for the same reason so when you pay 10 USD in foreign purchase, it came out on the credit card bill as the equivalent of 20 USD in official exchange rate.[/QUOTE]I'm not trying to be argumentative, but I've been following this Argentina conversation and I really have a hard time understanding what's really going on with these transactions. First, just let me say Argentina has almost always had fucked up currency regimes for several decades. It makes for quite an adventure or headache or both depending on your orientation.
When you first posted the merchant's credit card preference, I just thought "sure, the merchant doesn't want cash in pesos". It's been said here the girls on Seeking want Dollars and only Dollars. I just assumed if you offered the merchant cash in Dollars he would be happy. Perhaps that's not true in this case.
As far as your comment above, I have a hard time following who is buying what, with what form of payment and what the government is doing. I'm sure you know what you are doing though.
From a simple economic perspective, Argentina wins anytime a tourist goes down there and spends money cash or credit card. The only thing is the government wants tourists to stay out of the blue market and exchange (or spend with credit card) Dollars, Euros, etc. At the official rate.
Actually I should qualify some. At plenty of clinicas and termas in Brazil (and other sex joints too) you [B]can[/B] settle everything up with a credit card if you want to, but I don't do that (don't have a comfort level using a card at most of those establishments), preferring instead where I can to pay direct mongering-related expenses in cash as much as possible, and other non-mongering expenses with a credit card. Besides, as has been noted before, when you settle up with a credit card at these brothels there's normally a fee added onto the bill making your outing that more expensive. That's another reason why I consider "cash mongering" to be king. You can save some money by going that route. The girls usually prefer cash. I like paying in cash. It works for me and it works for them. And if you need to "cover your trail" then there's another reason for why cash is better to pay for your mongering activities than using a credit card and having the evidence show up on a monthly statement.
[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2767349]...assumed if you offered the merchant cash in Dollars he would be happy. Perhaps that's not true in this case.....[/QUOTE]The peso depreciated about 50% within a year between my visits in terms of blue dollar. That is one reason to not hold pesos. Many merchants will accept dollars and give pretty good rate. We didn't have small bills and we did not carry anything else but pesos at that time. I remember Questner wrote a good post explaining different rates.
[QUOTE=TheCane;2767335]What say ye? After all, you started this, I didn't. ...[/QUOTE]I am only agreeing to another post and mentioned my actual experience. It's not like I made stuff up to make people react.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2767467]I am only agreeing to another post and mentioned my actual experience. It's not like I made stuff up to make people react.[/QUOTE]We're all relying on our actual experiences, which obviously can differ. I decided that the first time someone tells me that they don't accept cash and credit cards only you guys will be the first to know!
[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2767349]From a simple economic perspective, Argentina wins anytime a tourist goes down there and spends money cash or credit card. The only thing is the government wants tourists to stay out of the blue market and exchange (or spend with credit card) Dollars, Euros, etc. At the official rate.[/QUOTE]I have been to Argentina several times and there were never any questions about cash or credit (could always use either including pesos), albeit its been awhile and things clearly can and do change economically (like you say Argentina has been screwed up for a long time). But here's a question. When you pay by credit card aren't you paying in the local currency (unless given an option to pay in some other currency like dollars, which you should never do)? So if the credit card payment is in the local currency, how or what has the merchant gained by requiring the use of a credit card versus accepting his country's legal tender (banknotes and coins recognized by law as satisfactory payment of a debt)? If I have a pocket full of legit but depreciated pesos that the merchant doesn't want to accept in favor of a credit card charge, but then the charge when made is in the local currency, how has he substantially benefited from a cash versus a credit card sale? I'm thinking because at least with the credit card charge, even if it's in the weak local currency, the transaction will have been conducted at whatever the value of the peso was at that specific point in time, and that's what the merchant gets, versus having cash sitting in the till that could lose more and more and more value as time goes on. The credit card charge is at the value of the peso today which, if economic times are bad, will be worth more today than it will be tomorrow. So more credit card transactions and less continually depreciating cash on hand benefits the merchant. Other ideas?
Senor Nounce, you are on target and right. You have actually been in Brazil and Latin America for the last few years, and your critic has not even been here for 1000 days.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2767467]I am only agreeing to another post and mentioned my actual experience. It's not like I made stuff up to make people react.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2767513]Senor Nounce, you are on target and right. You have actually been in Brazil and Latin America for the last few years, and your critic has not even been here for 1000 days.[/QUOTE]You have no clue where I've been, or when I went. I'll say this. I've been on 6 vacations since January 2021 (plus some business travel), and now planning for numbers 7 and 8. I don't announce everywhere I'm going and when I plan to travel. At the end of the day, that's my business, and not yours. [B]Over 50 countries on 5 continents[/B]. Happy travels!
[QUOTE=TheCane;2767577]You have no clue where I've been, or when I went. I'll say this. I've been on 6 vacations since January 2021 (plus some business travel), and now planning for numbers 7 and 8. I don't announce everywhere I'm going and when I plan to travel. At the end of the day, that's my business, and not yours. [B]Over 50 countries on 5 continents[/B]. Happy travels![/QUOTE]Cane you don't have to justify yourself to the naysayers. Most of us are aware of your contributions to this forum.
As to the cash vs CC's debate, everyone can choose his own sword as far as I am concerned. I prefer CC's for most transactions. They are safe, convenient and allow me to spend as much as I like without any constraints. If any foul play should occur, I can easily call up the card company and report the fraudulent activity and everything will be taken care of. I is never a problem. But I am happy to report, nonetheless, that 99.99% of the time nothing fraudulent ever occurs. End of story.
So in SP, I use my CC's for all hotel, restaurant, grocery store, uber and clinica transactions and almost all of my boate transactions. I like the better FX rate and the points earned which can pay for future hotel bookings and or plane flights. In the boates, I prefer to pay my girls directly in cash after our session is over, but every other transaction in the boate like the bar bill and the hotel room I simply charge on my card. Again, it is fine with me if others prefer doing it with cash. I can understand the concern not to leave a digital trail, but then these folks should also use a burner phone when mongering in foreign countries as well.
[QUOTE=TheCane;2767501]... then the charge when made is in the local currency, how has he substantially benefited from a cash versus a credit card sale? ...[/QUOTE]It's local currency but the pesos come from USD using official rate so it benefits the government. I never said this was wide spread.
When I left, I found a pharmacy at the airport. I bought as many condoms as I can, lubes, and still have a lot left so I bought a vibrator. LOL. I plan to go back though. I just don't like the way money disappears in Argentina.
This hot dog car is a tradition when we have CC and cash discussion. LOL. I think the lady forgot to put bacon in my hot dog. I paid by credit card. BTW. Around 3AM, the last time I did this was about 4AM
[QUOTE=Vagabundo1;2767513]Senor Nounce, you are on target and right. You have actually been in Brazil and Latin America for the last few years, and your critic has not even been here for 1000 days.[/QUOTE]VB, are you adding something or just trying to take sides?
[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2767790]VB, are you adding something or just trying to take sides?[/QUOTE]VB is just bragging about staying in Brazil for over 1000 days, which means he's overstaying for over [NOPARSE]2.5[/NOPARSE] years.
If the article below is accurate, there's a new stiff penalty and ban for overstaying, so 1000 days is nothing to brag about when over-staying on a tourist visa, not some Swiss Naval fictitious visa:
[B]
If you overstay your visa in Brazil, you will be fined at least 120 Brazilian reals per day and given a 6-month ban once you leave.
If the authorities in Brazil catch you overstaying your visa, you will be fined at least 120 Brazilian reals per day by the Polcia Federal. They will give you 7 days to leave the country and you will receive a 6-month ban, during which you will not be able to enter Brazil.
[/B]
[URL]https://www.travel-brazil-selection.com/informations/essential-information/passports-and-visas-for-brazil/[/URL]
The one thing that is clear about your critic is that he has not been in Brazil much less rio.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2767467]I am only agreeing to another post and mentioned my actual experience. It's not like I made stuff up to make people react.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=TheCane;2767099]I have never been [B]anywhere[/B] including in the United States where a merchant preferred the use of a credit card (unless it was online) much less "forced" me to use one. If anything it was the other way around (cash and no credit). Why? The reason is because merchants have to pay a fee to the credit card companies for each transaction, and they don't like that. But in today's modern age they really don't have a choice. Either accept credit cards or go out of business. Just had this very discussion yesterday with my favorite grocer.[/QUOTE]What are you talking about? What does the United States have to do with this? The subject was Argentina, where I spent 4 weeks in August and September. Most vendors don't accept credit cards there, though they probably should. And why is this topic even on the SP thread?
You don't need to explain credit card fees to me, I'm 65 years old. You are clearly more confused than I could possibly be senile at this point.
[QUOTE=TheCane;2767339] When we go to a termas, a boate, a clinica, to Vila Mimosa or wherever we go, (shrugs).[/QUOTE]Vila Mimosa? Seriously? Why would you want to seek out the cheapest putas in notoriously gritty locale, that service the low income men who can't afford anything more? There is no bargain to be found in "trash" scenarios, so don't try to make that claim. You will get what you pay for. Any experienced punter would realize that.
You claim to have traveled all over the world, but you can't even afford a decent GP in Rio? This sounds like your imagination gone awry. I'm not buying your story.
Tablet girls can look very different from their pictures. Recently had bad experience with Nina from Lotus Lounge. She was a 10 in the pictures, but a 5 in person with light kisses, lack of passion and bad breath. I kept trying Lotus due to the good looking pictures, but was always disappointed. The good ones were always fully booked, and retired after a while, like Melina.
Also, don't pay the girl upfront for overnight because she might leave very early. In my case she left after about 2 hours and 30 minutes, citing child care concern, but my buddy was at the boate that night and told me he saw her there later.
[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2767926]Vila Mimosa? Seriously? Why would you want to seek out the cheapest putas in notoriously gritty locale, that service the low income men who can't afford anything more? There is no bargain to be found in "trash" scenarios, so don't try to make that claim. You will get what you pay for. Any experienced punter would realize that. You claim to have traveled all over the world, but you can't even afford a decent GP in Rio? This sounds like your imagination gone awry. I'm not buying your story.[/QUOTE]No, what are [B]you[/B] talking about? If you actually knew anything about my posts on this site, then you would know that I have never been to VM and don't frequent "trash puteiros". Not my style, and I can afford plenty more than that. I prefer not having to worry about stepping in urine or feces (or touching cum on the railings) in search of a "diamond" for cheap. [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue] You see, my comment was simply a recognition that some of the guys here do go to those kinds of places. Now at the end of the day, I don't care what you're "buying" hommes. I'm not here to convince you or anybody else of anything. But hey, if and when you do decide to buy? Cash or major credit cards accepted! LOLOLOL! [B]Over 50 countries on on 5 continents[/B]. Catch me if you can!
[QUOTE=TheCane;2768086]No, what are talking about? If you actually knew anything about my posts on this site, then you would know that I have never been to VM and don't frequent "trash puteiros". Not my style, and I can afford plenty more than that. I prefer not having to worry about stepping in urine or feces (or touching cum on the railings) in search of a "diamond" for cheap. You see, my comment was simply a recognition that some of the guys here do go to those kinds of places. Now at the end of the day, I don't care what you're "buying" hommes. I'm not here to convince you or anybody else of anything. But hey, if and when you do decide to buy? Cash or major credit cards accepted! LOLOLOL! Over 50 countries on on 5 continents. Catch me if you can![/QUOTE]Cane, you and I have different styles, however, I appreciate your posts and contributions.
This guy criticizing you is a loud mouth, blowhard.
I've had him on ignore for a long time, and only see his continued criticism of everyone, when he's quoted.
Keep on doing your thing.
Ignore the troll.
Please move your guys back and forth conversation to private message. Its taking up too much space.
I met M3 once a few months ago in a clinica. She was friendly and playful like she has known me for a long time, and the sex was great. She made me feel so erotic that I finished very quickly with condom which is rare for me.
I was contemplating to go to Asia but decided to return to SP, partly knowing that I can see her again.
I went to the clinica late afternoon yesterday only to find out I need to wait about 3 hours for my turn. LOL. I think the manager mentioned me to her so she came to give me a kiss on the cheek and she made me feel like we are old friends again. As I saw her went with her scheduled date. I started to have this strange sweet feeling I can't shake off. I think I am totally smitten by her. Haha. I asked the manager about her schedule and was told she would work at another location today. I went and the clinica was empty with no girl. I left after waiting for a while since I have to work. I am going to try my luck again tomorrow.
The image is from another clinica girl M2 with the same name. She is similar to M3. She is the first girl I DATY in Brazil. I had to because she landed herself on my mouth on our second session. She goes to work with all dates scheduled and go home after. The last time we met, she told me her real age, her real name and her real job, and she drove her own car. We talked about having dinner together but it's an illusion because she turns her WhatsApp off when she is not working. She only turns it on to schedule date. This is a message from her a couple of months ago out of the blue after about 1 year.
If you are in Sao Paulo and want to know where to find M3, I will share via PM.
Wrapping up a month in Sao Paulo, and I wanted to share my experiences / thoughts.
Scandallo.
This place is and continues to be the gold standard for Sao Paulo, and if I had to guess the world. You can find any type of woman here with little effort, and the service is fantastic. I've been trying to drink less this trip so I tried out the restaurant, and the food is actually very good. In my experience R800/ HR can get you anyone in the place, and while I've had girls ask for more, nobody as of yet refused 800 if I was clear I was willing to walk. My biggest piece of advice for people new to Scandallo is this: say no. Very attractive women are going to approach you, they're going to be flirty and charming, and you're going to want to fuck them. Anywhere else it wouldn't be a question, you'd say yes immediately, but you need to remember you're not anywhere else. So unless they're exactly what you want, say no, because 30 minutes later you will find your dream girl. In Scandallo you're surrounded by good options, but the price difference between good and great is almost nonexistent, so make sure you hold out for great. For an extended trip I tried to keep visits to 1/ week to help my wallet, but for a short trip I'd probably live here. When time is a major concern, you can show up and know you'll get consistent quality.
Brooklin Club.
This one was a recommendation from the forums, and it was much appreciated. The club is smaller, but has Tijuana vibes and usually 6-12 girls from what I've seen. Entrance fee is R20 and you get a ticket for your purchases. The girls are very flirty in the bar area, and I had a few absolutely great experiences here. I was told by a friendly local its R340 for the girl, and that was the price I was always quoted, plus an additional R61 for the house. Great place and the staff was friendly, however there is one big thing to be careful of here. I typically always buy girls a drink, even ones I'm not particularly interested in if I'm just relaxing and feel like having a chat / working on my Porto. Now this might sound like obvious advice to more seasoned members, but don't let the girl go up and order it herself. Most of the girls order R50 drinks (that pay them a cutback) which is typically what I expect, but there is one on the menu for R135. The bartenders aren't trying to hide anything or do anything funny with your ticket, so ask what it costs and order it yourself. I had two visits that cost a decent bit more than I expected, so on the second one I asked the door girl to see the receipt and that drink was the culprit. Not the end of the world, but I made sure to avoid that problem on future visits.
57 Friends.
If it isn't obvious by now, the bar type places are my favorites as I'm very much a night person. 57 is like a clinica in the day, and a bar at night and as a result this place was my go-to. The staff was friendly, prices were reasonable, and while there aren't a ton of girls on most nights, everyone I went with was a fun time. Price is R250 during the day, R350 after 9 pm. No tricks or surprises here, just a good time.
Bahamas.
This place is really nice looking and conveniently located if you're in Moema / Brooklin, but after two more visits I've yet to take any of the girls upstairs. Both times I had two drinks and skipped out in under an hour. I've heard good things, and I'm not sure if it's because I tend to show up early (6-7 pm), but the lineup just has not impressed me. The girls were okay, but no different than what I'd find in any clinica for R250. Don't quote me on this, but I believe the entrance fee is R350 during the day, with R150 being consumable. Effectively that means you're paying a Scandallo cover charge, and I think it goes up at night (my Porto is very weak so I had trouble nailing this down). They do seem to have an R575 option which is all consumable, so if you plan to have a decent number of drinks and pay for a room it actually might be okay. Only girl I even inquired about a price from quoted me R800. I think I'm going to bite the bullet one night and drop in around 10 before I fly home, just so that I can cross this one off my list for sure. I want to like it because it's in walking distance of where I stay, and a mini Scandallo would be great, but so far it does not appear to be that.
Prime.
Still a great time, and you can find some real all stars here. I'm noticing most of the girls start showing up around 2 pm, so just be aware you're rolling the dice if you go early. I once popped in at 12:30 and was told nobody was there yet, though that is unusual. Might be nothing but I have to mention Thais, a fantastic looking asian girl had a sore on her outer lip that scared the crap out of me. Might be nothing, but a few days after I noticed it she seemed to leave Prime and reappear at Miruna. Price was R190 for a half, R250 for an hour.
Tangara.
This place is really a mixed bag. It was my favorite last trip (despite my only bad experience in all of Brazil), and while I still had good experiences here this time, I also had my only negative one of the trip. I don't typically mention girls by name because this hobby is so YMMV and I don't want to set someone else's expectations overly high, but the bad ones I do mention just to hopefully save someone else the trouble. Saw Tamy who was in line with my usual type, pretty face, nice slim body. We go to the room and things seem fine, but post shower when I go to give her a light kiss she turns away. The blowjob was extremely mechanical and uninspired, and the sex was the same. Prices here are now a bit higher than last time, but still cheaper than most. R150 for a half, R190 for an hour. The staff were friendly and some of the girls are great, but definitely some disappointments to be had.
Miruna.
Overall my favorite clinica this trip, as the lineup was solid and the service was great. I did have one girl who refused all kissing entirely (turned her cheek both times, one attempt on entering the room, one post shower / mouthwash) which for the second time ever in Brazil was surprising. Shame too because otherwise she was gorgeous and still a decent time, but ultimately not worth repeating. I'm half wondering if it was something about me, but the others were generally all about it. Maybe the uptick in Covid cases? Anyway, price was R190 for a half, R240 for an hour.
Wrapping up, Brazil continues to deliver an amazing time. Airbnb seems to be a much better priced option than the hotels, and some of the Airbnb's are actually in hotels. Uber is great for getting around, and if you're here for a bit the R25 Uber pass is a must buy. It takes 10% off of UberX rides (but not black) and removes delivery fees for Uber grocery orders. Make sure to have the clinicas add you to their Whatsapp broadcast, but personally I don't recommend booking a girl from it until you've already seen her in person. Also note that you can pay with a credit card at a lot of places you might not expect, though its generally not worth it because they'll charge a 10% fee. Best of luck everyone, enjoy!
Good to hear a good report about this club. I went to this club a few times but during non peak times and days. Fix fee for the girls like in a clinica. No haggling, just have to determine on time. I though there was definitely potential here. There's also a half hour option for 170 r. Hour is 340 r. There are decent bottle deals. Beer was pretty cheap also. And the girls seem to give a lot of pregame time before going up to the room.
We should move it to stupid shit in Brazil for another epic battle royale, maybe with a baby oil wrestling contest of the best scandallo girl against the best 4 x4 girl in buzios on the back of a russian submarine with colombian coke enroute to miami in the middle of the mid summer sun all to felipe ret on huge speakers courtesy of the swiss navy, the personal lubricant of all anal connissours.
[QUOTE=Fewdie;2768150]Please move your guys back and forth conversation to private message. Its taking up too much space.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=JZeleznik;2768876]Wrapping up a month in Sao Paulo, and I wanted to share my experiences / thoughts.....[/QUOTE]You did not visit Abbobora, my favorite clinica. The only thing I don't like about that clinica though is that there is no bed but rather a mattress on the floor which tends to restrict my variety of positions. I have never been to Prime, are the beds high off the ground or low like those of Abbobora?
[QUOTE=Turgid;2769102]You did not visit Abbobora, my favorite clinica. The only thing I don't like about that clinica though is that there is no bed but rather a mattress on the floor which tends to restrict my variety of positions. I have never been to Prime, are the beds high off the ground or low like those of Abbobora?[/QUOTE]Turgid, I did not visit Abbobora on my latest trip to SP, but in the past I have been there many times and the beds were large and always off the floor. I can't imagine why they would change that arrangement. Prime is my favorite clinica in SP. Abbobora is my 2nd favorite. Prime clinica beds are raised off the floor.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2769102]You did not visit Abbobora, my favorite clinica. The only thing I don't like about that clinica though is that there is no bed but rather a mattress on the floor which tends to restrict my variety of positions. I have never been to Prime, are the beds high off the ground or low like those of Abbobora?[/QUOTE]That's one thing I liked about Miruna and Tangara. Real beds! Don't like fucking on a massage table (uncomfortable) or a low mattress (may as well be fucking on the floor).
[QUOTE=Turgid;2769102]You did not visit Abbobora, my favorite clinica. The only thing I don't like about that clinica though is that there is no bed but rather a mattress on the floor which tends to restrict my variety of positions. I have never been to Prime, are the beds high off the ground or low like those of Abbobora?[/QUOTE]The beds at Prime are low on the ground like Abóbora but I find the rooms are bigger and hence more comfortable. However, I was put in a room on the second floor at Abóbora once. And that room had a higher bed. The room was much bigger as well, with a huge shower space and even a mirror mounted on the ceiling. It was definitely more 'luxo' than the rooms on the first floor. The only thing I don't like about that room is its poorly lit so I normally stick with the rooms on the first floor. Next time you are there, you can try to ask the receptionist to see of she will let you get a room on the second floor.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2769102]You did not visit Abbobora, my favorite clinica. The only thing I don't like about that clinica though is that there is no bed but rather a mattress on the floor which tends to restrict my variety of positions. I have never been to Prime, are the beds high off the ground or low like those of Abbobora?[/QUOTE]Most of the mattresses are on pallets unless I'm mixing them up. So off the floor, but not by much. I had EnjoySpa and Indy on my radar, but never made the leap. Abbobora I had heard about occasionally, though I knew it was more $$ than Prime and I wasn't under the impression the girls were notably better. I haven't left quite yet so maybe I'll give it a shot.
I could not get an appointment and she was already busy by the time I got to clinica. It was early enough so I was the next in line. Hehe. She came out with a big smile and a big hug like she knows me for a long time. Honestly, I barely remember what she looks like because she looks different from the picture, her face looks better in person so I doubt she would remember me from seeing me only once a few months ago.
We started kissing once in the room. While I took out my phone to use the translator and she continue working on me. She took off my pants to give me a blowjob while I was standing. Then I went to shower, she used a hand gesture to welcome me to bed when I came out. She climbed on top of me to kiss me to mess with my big head while grinding my little head with her pussy. Next she went down to give me a long BJ. She repeated this cycle about 3 times. Yeah, I know I was lazy but I was thinking, given how busy she was, she had at least 100 customers between now and last time I met her. LOL.
The service in clinica is very good in general but it is not often that I get it like this. My purpose of posting this is to find out how often do you meet girls in clinica like this?
[QUOTE=Nounce;2769329]The service in clinica is very good in general but it is not often that I get it like this. My purpose of posting this is to find out how often do you meet girls in clinica like this?[/QUOTE]I am an avid fan of the clinicas and speaking only from my experiences, I can confidently say that I have gotten top quality GFE sessions on a consistant bases from the clinca girls. A lot of times, I was even able get super GFE treatment from the 18 and 19 why / o. And this is all with my very basic portuguese. I refuse to use google translate unless I'm looking for a specific word kkk.
There were quite a few girls that still remembered me dispite long months of gaps. 3 girls I hadn't seen for over a year still remembered me dispite me not remembering one of them. I had only sessioned with one once and the other twice. Another girl, who I only sessioned once with, returned 2 months later when she saw me, gave me a big hug. I regretted for not taking her again as we had great chemistry. Of course, there was also a girl who said she didn't remember me dispite having had just sessioned with me weeks ago kkkk.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2769329] The service in clinica is very good in general but it is not often that I get it like this. My purpose of posting this is to find out how often do you meet girls in clinica like this?[/QUOTE]I have also encountered people like this, albeit rarely. The Brazilian professional standard is already really good, in both a physical, energy, and focus sense. In the rare cases it also includes an inherent inner warmth that brings the potential for emotional attachment a lot higher. When I encounter people that are that next level, I try to do longer (2 hour) sessions in the clinicas. But not meet outside, because I did get burned once with emotional attachment, they are the easiest to fall for because if they tell you that you are the reason they are so warm and kind, because you make them feel appreciated, you fall for it LOL. Not saying it's not true in a sense, but it can easily activate the deep instinct to provide and protect and hit you when you don't realize it. So I have decided to limit myself when this happens to longer clinica sessions only and not keep in touch.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2769102]You did not visit Abbobora, my favorite clinica. The only thing I don't like about that clinica though is that there is no bed but rather a mattress on the floor which tends to restrict my variety of positions. I have never been to Prime, are the beds high off the ground or low like those of Abbobora?[/QUOTE]Thanks for the responses to the abovementioned query. So the beds at Prime are on pallets low on the floor like Abbobora. Bummer.
[QUOTE=TheCane;2769116]That's one thing I liked about Miruna and Tangara. Real beds! Don't like fucking on a massage table (uncomfortable) or a low mattress (may as well be fucking on the floor).[/QUOTE]Ditto. We have the same taste in beds as we do women! LOL. Although I occasionally sample below 7/10 whereas you will have none of it hahaha.
Researching for possible visit but not finding anything.
From low to high price are street walkers, prives, clinicas. I do not care for high end because I feel over priced and most seem to have fake tits with a princess attitudes.
I searched Swer, Swers, street walkers, street girls and found little to nothing except the two main locations shown on the map. What is the problem? Are the street girls too old, fat, ugly, dangerous, etc? What is the average cost for girl and for hotel for 30 minutes? I only speak English but have almost two years experience in Colombia with 70% of that time in Medellin so please do a comparison against Colombia if possible.
Prives. Just do not get this one at all really. I went to gp-[URL]guia.net[/URL]. Seems as if the listings there just link me to Skokka, Photoacompanhantes, some very high priced escort model sites, and lastly some houses. I do not want to go house to house to see one girl with an 80% chance she is not pretty and go to the next house. Such a waste of time and rather mean to look at the girl and leave immediately, indirectly saying she is ugly. Prive list is small and mostly outdated. Is there another way to find these?
Clinicas are simply casa / brothels with 3-15 girls which can be found on the map.
I posted recently of some twins off Skokka which someone here corrected me that the twins were not available because the pix were stolen off the twin's Instagram site. Just saw a girl off Skokka who looks exactly like a girl off the Colombian Skokka site. I learned that the Mileroticos, Photoprepagos, Skokka sites in Colombia have a low 30% success rate because girls simply do not exist, no shows, pix being posted before having 2 kids, photo shopping, etc. The Skokka banner on gp-guia-net has several girls which lists their name and city but when you click on the banner none of them exist. Surprise surprise.
My main focus are street girls then prives.
Is WhatsApp widely used in Sao Paulo by the girls?
[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2769367]Researching for possible visit but not finding anything.
From low to high price are street walkers, prives, clinicas. I do not care for high end because I feel over priced and most seem to have fake tits with a princess attitudes.
I searched Swer, Swers, street walkers, street girls and found little to nothing except the two main locations shown on the map. What is the problem? Are the street girls too old, fat, ugly, dangerous, etc? What is the average cost for girl and for hotel for 30 minutes? I only speak English but have almost two years experience in Colombia with 70% of that time in Medellin so please do a comparison against Colombia if possible.
My main focus are street girls then prives.
Is WhatsApp widely used in Sao Paulo by the girls?[/QUOTE]As far as I know, the street scene is pretty dead in SP. I know of only one area along Ave Indianapolis that has street girls. Couple of years ago I was in the area and decided to talk to a street girl. I forgot what she quoted me but she said no kissing, everything covered. The nearby clinica Indy have girls that will give great GFE sessions for only 150 reais. Girls in Prives mostly are old, ugly and fat and not worth the money. If you search in the 'area trash' section of GP Guia, there are cheap girls working in buildings in Centro. In the neighborhood of Vila Buarque, there are transvestites standing on the street corners at night. If you are coming to SP expecting a good time with street girls and prive girls, I'm afraid you will be disappointed. If you want to experience the true meaning of Brazilian GFE, clinicas and nightclubs are the way to go.
[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2769367]Researching for possible visit but not finding anything...[/QUOTE]Downtown Luz station: It's the picture with the Hotel. You will find them in the main building and surrounding street. I think I posted a report on it.
Church of Our Lady of the Rosary of Black Men: The picture with yellow church. They came out during day time. I see them mostly in the afternoon. Most are females.
Praca the Repblica: The picture with the blond. She is not a real girl as many around there are not. You may find a few here. Late at night after dark, you may find better dressed ones in the area with lots of restaurants.
I wasn't looking for them. I walk around a lot so I found them.
The rest of the pictures. After reading your post, I decided to check it out again but I left my place at 6 and came back at 8:19 on foot so it is a little late. I had too much food for lunch. I walked to a place in Libertade and ordered a lot of food. The waiter was suspicious and he got the owner to come talk to me. LOL. I already knew, and I said I would take the food to go after I ate. The waiter did not understand me. That is the problem with a single person trying to eat a good meal.
Inside the Luz station, you can see working girls, the church, and the trash building.
I posted 3 trash locations recently. You can look it up. They are buildings with working girls in the whole building. Rio will be much better for what you are looking for. I think. PV posted a spreadsheet last year of about 100 girls he fucked complete with location information.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2765267]They are on GUGuia. That is where you will find them. It's a long list. These three will get you started and they are walking distance to each other.
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[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2766975]I was wondering the same thing, and I was hoping you could tell me the answer, as you would seem like a person who would know. My theory is that guys make up TRs because they are bored INCEL losers, who can't even fathom having sex with a woman for free, so they have to conjure up stories about paying for sex. Am I right?
And yes Junior, I have been reading GP Guia for at least 3 years now. I refer to it constantly when in Brazil for obvious reasons. And yes, the reports on GPS are consistent with my experience. BBBJ is anomaly with truly professional GPS. If you had actual experience with those girls you would know that, by now.[/QUOTE]I took the clinica on top of the list. This one is close to 25%. Let's say this one exaggerates and cut the estimate in half which will still be more than 10%. Spa Lushness is close to 50% CBJ but with less data
[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2769367]...Prives. Just do not get this one at all really. I went to gp-[URL]guia.net[/URL]. Seems as if the listings there just link me to Skokka, Photoacompanhantes, some very high priced escort model sites, and lastly some houses.
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My main focus are street girls then prives.
Is WhatsApp widely used in Sao Paulo by the girls?[/QUOTE]I realized I did not reply to all your questions. You need to find thread title [B]Area Trash - Boca do Lixo[/B], and you will find the places I showed. It will tell you the pricing info. In Rio, there are pricing that is in 10 minutes increment but I think some have removed the 10 minutes option when I was there a few months ago.. Most places will have price clearly listed. Brazil will be more expensive because it is far more developed.
WhatsApp is widely used.
This is Balboa's answer to my post. I will listen to him.
[QUOTE=Balboa;2766656]I was just there today. Been going there regularly for about 15 years now.
The vast majority of the girls you'll probably pass on, but I almost always find a sweetheart there, and I did again today.
I speak pretty good portuguese, and I treat them very well.
It's a welcome change for the girl from the typical guy that visits.
Over the years I've found and met outside, many times, girls I've met there.
Some of the nicest girls I've met in SP have come from meeting there believe it or not.
Definitely not for everyone. Definitely a trashy place, but I go to find the diamonds, that don't know they're diamonds.
I have a girl I met there a couple months ago coming over tomorrow.
She's happy staying all day, as much love as I want, for a room service meal, and whatever cash I want to pass her.
Sweetheart. Hot.
Heading to Casarao here in a bit.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Nounce;2769577] You need to find thread title [B]Area Trash - Boca do Lixo[/B], and you will find the places I showed. It will tell you the pricing info. In Rio, there are pricing that is in 10 minutes increment but I think some have removed the 10 minutes option when I was there a few months ago.. Most places will have price clearly listed. .[/QUOTE]I find gp-[URL]guia.net[/URL] not very helpful. Translations are difficult to understand. Many of the posts are 7+ years which is useless. The site does not seem very structured. AREA TRASH? You have to be a local to know what that means.
10 minute pricing? WTF can anyone do in that time frame! Huge red flag for me.
Nounce I read your prior posts but going into the building and going door to door and then floor to floor does not equate to street girl in my book because quite simply they are not on the street. Your post was confusing for that reason. That sounds like a door by door independent brothel. I read one guys post similar to yours but he mentioned how the older girls are aggressive and grabby which means robbery in progress which is a bad situation (outnumbered and trapped). I hate having to jerk my arm free of some fugly that will not let go of me.
Looks like I will pass on Brazil for now. There are other locations I feel I would have more fun. Thanks.
[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2769598]...Nounce I read your prior posts but going into the building and going door to door and then floor to floor does not equate to street girl in my book because quite simply they are not on the street. Your post was confusing for that reason. ....[/QUOTE]The first reply to your post has pictures that I took showing street girls. The other posts are about prives or whatever they are called. The 3 I listed are a little different. The girls are outside around the stairway on the 69 building. The yellow building has clubs. The girls in last one has assigned room.
[QUOTE=Gabbarsing;2765697]Hi mongers.
I am in SP again, third time this year. Would love to meet fellow mongers as always. Please DM me if anyone is interested to meet up.
Also, any recommendation for massage place similar to Lotus Lounge Massagem? Love that place but tired of seeing same gals there, TIA.
Cheers.[/QUOTE]Hello fellas. Recent lurker, first time poster. Making a first trip to SP in January.
I'm looking for massage options with a decent actual massage if possible and a reliable BBBJCIM.
Gab, did you receive any recommendations? If so, would you mind passing them on? Also, how was your experience with Lotus? It seems decently well reviewed here.
[QUOTE=JZeleznik;2768876]Wrapping up a month in Sao Paulo, and I wanted to share my experiences / thoughts. [/QUOTE]Great reporting! Nice read and detailed.
[QUOTE=Nebulousity;2769354]The Brazilian professional standard is already really good, in both a physical, energy, and focus sense. In the rare cases it also includes an inherent inner warmth that brings the potential for emotional attachment a lot higher. [/QUOTE]Yeah, I used to laugh at mongers who fell in love with hookers. That was before I knew Sao Paulo. The level of passion and warmth these ladies bring can easily mess with your head.
For those on the ground or who have completed recent trips, outside if Scandallo, which 3 venues are your favourite in SP right now?
1. Scandallo.
2. Bomboa.
3. Casarao.
4. Bahamas.
5. Cafe Photo.
[QUOTE=JZeleznik;2768876]Wrapping up a month in Sao Paulo, and I wanted to share my experiences / thoughts.
Scandallo.
This place is and continues to be the gold standard for Sao Paulo, and if I had to guess the world. You can find any type of woman here with little effort, and the service is fantastic. I've been trying to drink less this trip so I tried out the restaurant, and the food is actually very good. In my experience R800/ HR can get you anyone in the place, and while I've had girls ask for more, nobody as of yet refused 800 if I was clear I was willing to walk. My biggest piece of advice for people new to Scandallo is this: say no. Very attractive women are going to approach you, they're going to be flirty and charming, and you're going to want to fuck them. Anywhere else it wouldn't be a question, you'd say yes immediately, but you need to remember you're not anywhere else. So unless they're exactly what you want, say no, because 30 minutes later you will find your dream girl. In Scandallo you're surrounded by good options, but the price difference between good and great is almost nonexistent, so make sure you hold out for great. For an extended trip I tried to keep visits to 1/ week to help my wallet, but for a short trip I'd probably live here. When time is a major concern, you can show up and know you'll get consistent quality.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the very well written report and review! I'm curious about one thing, did you ever try offering below 800/ HR at Scandallo? Last time I was there, I felt 600 was a good rate that most would accept. I'm curious if that is now 800.
[QUOTE=Trojan22;2770158]Thanks for the very well written report and review! I'm curious about one thing, did you ever try offering below 800/ HR at Scandallo? Last time I was there, I felt 600 was a good rate that most would accept. I'm curious if that is now 800.[/QUOTE]When the exchange rate was 3 to 1 an offer of 600 per hour was solid. Now that the rate is at 5 to 1 for some time now, reports mostly show that the girls are starting out asking for more. On one level the exchange rate should not matter, but we all know that it ultimately does. Not just for us, but for the tutes too. Try to drive some hard bargains, and maybe you will succeed. But with current rates it appears from reports that fewer of the Scandallo girls will be happy with a 600/ HR offer. Seems based on recent reporting one should be prepared to pay at least 800 minimum for one of the hotter Scandallo girls.
[QUOTE=Trojan22;2770158]Thanks for the very well written report and review! I'm curious about one thing, did you ever try offering below 800/ HR at Scandallo? Last time I was there, I felt 600 was a good rate that most would accept. I'm curious if that is now 800.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Nounce;2759280]Just counter with 50% what she first quotes you.[/QUOTE]The regulars will take 500 or less. The less attractive ones will open at 500 too. Like I said before, there is a new component added in the pricing so you need to counter with 50% off if you are not sure.
Bargaining will be beneficial if you intent to repeat because it sets the base price, otherwise not that much.
Hello everyone. New to Brazil & to this forum. I hope I'm posting in the right place.
I have a few questions about mongering in Sao Paulo:
1. My airbnb admin requires me to send the full name and a document of every visitor I want to bring in. I guess in this case I'm not going to have any outcalls in this place, or perhaps there are some ways to trick them without exposing the girl's privacy?
2. I need some general know-how. I'm not into restaurants, dating, GFE and that type of stuff, I just want to have an hour with a good looking escort every now and then. I guess in my case the best places to look for gatas are splove / private55/ clubmodel / photoacompanhantes and then I browse GPG for the opinions before scheduling an appointment, correct?
3. Are girls in scandallo way better than those I can find on the sites mentioned above or the looks are comparable? If the ones from scandallo are way hotter, is there any way to get one from there somehow privately so I don't have to pay for entrance / room etc?
Thanks in advance.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2770194]The regulars will take 500 or less. The less attractive ones will open at 500 too. Like I said before, there is a new component added in the pricing so you need to counter with 50% off if you are not sure.
Bargaining will be beneficial if you intent to repeat because it sets the base price, otherwise not that much.[/QUOTE]In my 2022 experience super attractive Tier 1 girls will not accept 500 and I do not believe attractive Tier 2 girls will go for 500 either although I might be wrong on that one. I would love to see you negotiate a Tier 2 girl down to 500. But I do agree with you about countering anything a Scandallo girl originally asks with 50%. Most Tier 2 girls will accept the counteroffer if it equals 600 or 700 or they will come back with 50% off the original ask +200. Then it is up to you. I have never had a Tier 1 Scandallo girl accept less than 800 (in 2022). Of course, our definitions of what a Tier 1 girl and Tier 2 girl is may differ. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. And then there are Tier 3 and Tier 4 girls that I won't shag for 200 or even for free, but somebody must be shagging them and having a good time, or they would not be there. KKK.
[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2770206]In my 2022 experience super attractive Tier 1 girls will not accept 500 and I do not believe attractive Tier 2 girls will go for 500 either although I might be wrong on that one. I would love to see you negotiate a Tier 2 girl down to 500. But I do agree with you about countering anything a Scandallo girl originally asks with 50%. Most Tier 2 girls will accept the counteroffer if it equals 600 or 700 or they will come back with 50% off the original ask +200. Then it is up to you. I have never had a Tier 1 Scandallo girl accept less than 800 (in 2022). Of course, our definitions of what a Tier 1 girl and Tier 2 girl is may differ. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. And then there are Tier 3 and Tier 4 girls that I won't shag for 200 or even for free, but somebody must be shagging them and having a good time, or they would not be there. KKK.[/QUOTE]I did pay more and did it several times because the girls were attractive. It has been mentioned in my prior posts. I am actually not interested in what you can get for 500. I have also analyzed the situation in my earlier posts with actual examples based on other members' posts. Keep in mind, the poster's question and I mainly am talking about the regulars in Scandallo so I am pretty sure the extra component is added to their price so the 50% off is to remove that extra component. There was one member reported got a quote for 400 when I was quoted 1000 by the same girl not long ago. I did not bargain because that is one night I decided to do a survey with girls that were friendly with me which I reported in a post too.
[QUOTE=BangKoker;2770200]Hello everyone. New to Brazil & to this forum. I hope I'm posting in the right place.
I have a few questions about mongering in Sao Paulo:
1. My airbnb admin requires me to send the full name and a document of every visitor I want to bring in. I guess in this case I'm not going to have any outcalls in this place, or perhaps there are some ways to trick them without exposing the girl's privacy?
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Are they asking you to submit the IDs in advance or for the guests to give their IDs at the lobby? Most luxury buildings in Brazil require people to give their IDS to be copied, photos taken and even fingerprints. This is very common and all the GPS know and do this. I've stayed in buildings that have tighter security than most banks with fingerprint access and double gated entry / driveway. I try to find an Airbnb that doesn't require advance submission, which is usually the host policy and not the building policy. If the guest policy is not clear, sometimes I would ask the host. I tell them I'm in SP for work and would it be ok for me to invite 1-2 coworkers over. I mention they will be quiet and will not use the common spaces. Hahaha.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2770194]The regulars will take 500 or less. The less attractive ones will open at 500 too. Like I said before, there is a new component added in the pricing so you need to counter with 50% off if you are not sure.
Bargaining will be beneficial if you intent to repeat because it sets the base price, otherwise not that much.[/QUOTE]Wait, I'm confused. Almost all of the reports here about Scandallo, even going back 2 years, have reported of girls accepting R600-R1000. Very rarely were there reports of girls excepting R500 or less. I'm not questioning the validity of your post, I'm just curious since one would have to visit Scandallo at least a couple times per week for several weeks to find out which ones are regulars. Even then I don't think ALL the regulars would take R500. Would you clarify what is this 'new component'?
I think one would need to always bargain regardless one's intent to repeat or not.
[QUOTE=WayneRoberts;2769807]For those on the ground or who have completed recent trips, outside if Scandallo, which 3 venues are your favourite in SP right now?[/QUOTE]Just got back from SP yesterday after a 2 week stay. Scandallo a few times and the rest once each Bomboa, cafe foto, Casarao, Bahamas. Picked up one each time pernoite except the hottie from Bomboa had her come over a few times.
Otherwise it was some repeat girls from previous visits and a few new ones from Scandallo. All pernoite with evenings out in the city dining clubbing etc. No hourly stuff, no clinicas just "GFE" type experiences. Do not feel the need for rushing around and quantity. Simply all relaxed evenings out.
Overall same repeat fun as previous trips. Only difference is that Scandallo prices are going through the roof, one even quoted 5 K pernoite haha. Also some of them were asking to be paid upfront got a polite tchau tchau from me, plenty of fish.
[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon;2770346]Wait, I'm confused. Almost all of the reports here about Scandallo, even going back 2 years, have reported of girls accepting R600-R1000. Very rarely were there reports of girls excepting R500 or less. I'm not questioning the validity of your post, I'm just curious since one would have to visit Scandallo at least a couple times per week for several weeks to find out which ones are regulars. Even then I don't think ALL the regulars would take R500. Would you clarify what is this 'new component'?
I think one would need to always bargain regardless one's intent to repeat or not.[/QUOTE]You can read this post. My suggestion is for newbies, do it like I said and learn from there if you don't know and don't want to be taken advantage of. It's a starting point and you may reach a final price in between. I have other source about the same girl so I know it is likely true
[QUOTE=Nounce;2744997].... I think the current pricing just added a layer of dishonesty. ....[/QUOTE]I am going to repeat what I have posted before. You can get attractive girls online for around 500-600. You add the girl's cost of 250 to 300 to work at Scandallo. The girl needs to charge 800-900 to make the same amount of money so I think that is a reasonable price for an attractive girl that is not a Scandallo regular. Just keep in mind that it is an estimate what a reasonable price is, it is not the price you will get. The numbers may have changed but the math is the same.
Coincidently, I have posted a picture of a Scandallo girl here before. She is one of the most attractive girls I met at Scandallo. She charged 800 at Scandallo and 600 online. There was an online discussion by locals about her. She accepted only a few online sessions a week because she said she could easily get paid more at Scandallo. She schooled me about inflation too.
I also don't think all girls pay to work there. I met a girl who was sent there by her agency. My guess is she does not have to pay because she was asked to be present there. I had her in my place several times and she would mention to me when she would be at Scandallo because the owner asked their presence. There is no reason for her to pay to work at Scandallo for one day a week on a slow day.
I think this price may stick eventually. I went to a Medellin club about a month ago. All quotes are in USD. The least amount is 200USD/hr and the most is 300USD/hr. The girls are not even attractive to me. This place used to be 200 mil COP. My guess is some tourists misunderstood 200 as 200 USD and paid that. Then it became a scam to trap tourists, and now it becomes a standard opening price. 200 USD in about 1 million COP in today's exchange rate.
[QUOTE=BangKoker;2770200]...I have a few questions about mongering in Sao Paulo:....[/QUOTE]Good idea to check GPG but you may not find many reviews of high price ones there. I met a bad one that we didn't even have sex, then I posted a review for her on GPG and I found out there was a bad review already so I should have checked.
Another source is Twitter. You need to find out who to follow and you will see working girls posting updates.
Not way better for me and other people I met there because we went there the first time with expectation that was too high, but you are likely to find a higher percentage of what you are looking for. It's better to go there with lower expectation and to be surprised on the upside. The online pictures are photoshopped so you can't compare that to real girls you see.
[QUOTE=DreamCarnarvon;2770346]Wait, I'm confused. Almost all of the reports here about Scandallo, even going back 2 years, have reported of girls accepting R600-R1000. Very rarely were there reports of girls excepting R500 or less. I'm not questioning the validity of your post, I'm just curious since one would have to visit Scandallo at least a couple times per week for several weeks to find out which ones are regulars. Even then I don't think ALL the regulars would take R500. Would you clarify what is this 'new component'?
I think one would need to always bargain regardless one's intent to repeat or not.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Nounce;2770288]I did pay more and did it several times because the girls were attractive. It has been mentioned in my prior posts. I am actually not interested in what you can get for 500. I have also analyzed the situation in my earlier posts with actual examples based on other members' posts. Keep in mind, the poster's question and I mainly am talking about the regulars in Scandallo so I am pretty sure the extra component is added to their price so the 50% off is to remove that extra component. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Nounce;2770503] My suggestion is for newbies, do it like I said and learn from there if you don't know and don't want to be taken advantage of. It's a starting point and you may reach a final price in between. I have other source about the same girl so I know it is likely true
You can get attractive girls online for around 500-600. You add the girl's cost of 250 to 300 to work at Scandallo. The girl needs to charge 800-900 to make the same amount of money so I think that is a reasonable price for an attractive girl that is not a Scandallo regular. Just keep in mind that it is an estimate what a reasonable price is, it is not the price you will get. The numbers may have changed but the math is the same.
Coincidently, I have posted a picture of a Scandallo girl here before. She is one of the most attractive girls I met at Scandallo. She charged 800 at Scandallo and 600 online. There was an online discussion by locals about her. She accepted only a few online sessions a week because she said she could easily get paid more at Scandallo. She schooled me about inflation too.
I also don't think all girls pay to work there. I met a girl who was sent there by her agency. My guess is she does not have to pay because she was asked to be present there. I had her in my place several times and she would mention to me when she would be at Scandallo because the owner asked their presence. There is no reason for her to pay to work at Scandallo for one day a week on a slow day.
[/QUOTE]I am going to try to make this as simple as possible:
Definitions: "Regular" Scandallo girls means girls that show up at Scandallo per schedule on prespecified nights, usually 4 nights a week. There are regular afternoon girls and regular evening girls. My Valerie is a "regular evening girl". She is expected to work 4 nights a week, 10 pm until closing time, and she must show up before 10 pm in order to avoid paying an entry fee of 200 br. Valerie is IMHO a "Tier Two" Scandallo girl meaning she is a very cute and sexy girl next door type who does not look like a hooker. She is never asked to register when I walk her through a 5-star hotel lobby.
By my definition "Tier one" Scandallo girls are model quality girls with natural bodies although if a girl has a really great naturally looking set of silly cones, I will still consider her Tier One as long as she is drop dead gorgeous. In any case "Tier One" Scandallo girls are smokin' hot and they know it. So, many Tier Ones are very popular and can ask very high prices. Some of these girls show up on a scheduled basis to avoid the entry fee, but other "Tier Ones" are true independent contractors and only show up when they feel like it and they don't mind paying the entry fee because their rate is very high.
Now It really doesn't matter if a customer knows if a girl is a "regular" or not because it is all in the price. If a girl asks for 1000 or less, she is Tier 2 or considers herself Tier 2 based on her popularity. A girl's popularity can be based on her looks, but it can also be based on the quality of her service. Local repeat customers talk to one another about their girls and a girl's reputation gets around. This is one of the main reasons service is so good at Scandallo and other boates. The locals keep the girls honest.
If a girl initially asks for 2000 or 1500, she is Tier 1 or considers herself Tier one or she has sized up the customer and thinks it is worth a try to ask an enormous amount. I should add that girls talk too and repeat customers will earn certain reputations after a while. For example, I have been told by a few girls that I have good reputation and I am known as a moderate spender.
In any case my advice as well as Nounce's is to always counter a girl's initial ask with half and see what happens. If a girl asks 900, I will counter with 500 and settle somewhere around 700. Some girls will not come down from 800. If that is the case, then it is up to me to say yes or no depending on how I feel about the girl based on her looks and how she is doing in the interview. There is no right or wrong response. Do what feels right.
But it usually comes as no surprise to me when a girl initially asks for more like as much as 2000,1500, or 1200 because I have already sized her up as Tier One looker before I begin talking to her. With a 2000 initial ask I will counter with 900 and the girl will almost always accept 1000 to 1200. A 1500 initial ask girl will usually settle for 900 to 1000. And a 1200 initial ask girl will usually settle for 800 or 900. This is my experience anyway. YMMV depending on your reputation if you have one, your Portuguese, your looks, and of course your personality. I always keep it light and friendly. I never hard negotiate because I think that is detrimental to the cause. HA HA. There are many girls to choose from, the girls know this at least as well as we do, so hard negotiation is never necessary. Just part company in a friendly way if you can't agree on price.
In rare cases when a Tier Two or even a Tier 3 girl (in my estimation) is trying to test me (I am a gringo) by initially asking a Tier One price, I will laugh it off and offer 500 and won't go higher than 600 because trying to take advantage is a negative indicator of things to come in my opinion. The girls know their true ranking.
So, I hope this helps freshmen Scandalloites. It is not hard to understand, and it should be fun. 1. Know the type of girl you are attracted to, and where she realistically stands in the hierarchy. 2. Offer her half of her initial ask. She may accept your counter or ask a little more. Half the initial ask + 200 is my usual max. But there is no set price only reasonable price ranges. Never pay more than you are comfortable with. There are many girls to choose from, but on the other hand, don't come to Scandallo, the primero SP establishment, thinking you can get by on the cheap. There are several viable alternative Boates to choose from. Bomboa generally does not have many Tier One girls, so negotiations are simple. Bomboa girls may initially ask as much as 1000, most ask less, but almost all will agree to 600 to 700. I have never paid more than 800 in Bomboa and that girl was very hot. Casarao girls ask between 350 and 500. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder so go where you like, shag who you like. I like to mix it up a bit. Great service to very good service is the norm from ALL boate girls. After all this is Sao Paulo, the city of women.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2770503]You can get attractive girls online for around 500-600. You add the girl's cost of 250 to 300 to work at Scandallo. The girl needs to charge 800-900 to make the same amount of money so I think that is a reasonable price for an attractive girl that is not a Scandallo regular. [/QUOTE]This makes a lot of sense. How does your math work for pernoites?
[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2770564]I am going to try to make this as simple as possible[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Nounce;2770503]You can read this post. My suggestion is for newbies, do it like I said and learn from there if you don't know and don't want to be taken advantage of. It's a starting point and you may reach a final price in between.[/QUOTE]
Axel & Nounce, this is good guidance on strategies for the uninitiated in dealing with Scandalo and boate girls in general.
Great explanations from both Nounce and AH!!
I will add something to the newbie expectation of Scandello. Prepare for an expensive night out. Do not go there if you think you will be the "one" to land a stunner for cheap. The girls are all used to gringos coming in and know the game better than you. Go into Scandello as an experience that you will never get anywhere else. Sit back, have a drink and enjoy the sights. I cannot stress this enough — take your time selecting. Talk to as many girls as you can. This will help your learning curve tremendously.
I prefer spinners with good looks but personality does it for me. I usually take the girl for the weekend so personality is a big issue. She can be hot as fuck but dumb as a doorknob and I will toss her. She is cute yet not drop dead gorgeous but can carry a conversation and she is a keeper. It takes me time to sift thru the inventory so to speak. I usually end up with good ones but I also spend time talking to them before working out a weekend price. Does it cost more? Sure. But I have sex available on demand all weekend and no pressure to keep looking for girls and paying entry fees and so forth. To each his own.
Just remember to have a good time, share your experiences and enjoy in your own way.
Part 1: Miss Beautiful or the one that got away, but A. H. Has a happy ending anyway.
So, one night I spotted a real beauty in Scandallo. Man, she was drop dead gorgeous! She gave me a smile, so I went over and said Hi. After a little friendly conversation, I asked if she wanted a drink. She said, "yes, I would like a coconut water. " After our drinks came, we found a table and so began the audition. She was very friendly and cordial, but not tongue in my mouth friendly. KKK. Anyway, midway through our get to know you, her tall slender, plain looking girlfriend approached our table and whispered something to Miss Beautiful. I could not hear exactly what she was saying, but the gist of it was: "I have 3 VIP Brazilian guys over in the reserved section and they want to meet you. Get rid of the Gringo and join us as soon as you can". Now to Miss Beautiful's credit she did not ditch me after her plain looking GF left and we continued with our pleasant get to know you as if nothing had happened. But, as we were finishing our drinks the relevant $$ subject came up. I told her I really liked, and she responded with, "do you want to take me out of the club or stay here". I asked her what her prices were, and she said 5000 br outside the club & 2500 upstairs. I pretended to be shocked & devasted by her response as I wiped fake tears from my eyes. She giggled a little. Then I said, "come on baby, can't you give me a friendly price. I think we could have a really good time together" She smiled politely again and said she could not. So, we were at an impasse and we both knew it. There was no way I was going to pay $500 US for an hour with her and apparently her price was fixed. So, a few minutes later she politely excused herself and took off. We both left things on a friendly basis, however. After a while I got up and waked around the bar towards the thruway that takes you out to the courtyard bar. I passed the VIP table where I saw Miss beautiful, her plain GF, and 3 Brazilian guys. There were 4 or 5 bottles of liquor on the table, a bucket full of ice, and plenty of cans of mixer.
I walked around the entertainment bar for a little while and I soon found a sexy indigenous girl to my liking. She smiled at me, so I approached her. We exchanged a few opening pleasantries and I offered her a drink. This one asked for a Gin Tropical so I ordered 2 and we found another table and sat down next to one another. Miss Indigenous was a very goodlooking Tier 2 girl with a great, slender, natural body. Just my kind of girl. HA HA. We started making out and doing other things, so by the time we had drunk half our Gin drink I knew I wanted to take her upstairs. It took less than a minute to talk price. She originally wanted 900, I countered with 600, and she countered my counter with 700 and it was all settled. We went upstairs to the hotel reception area arm in arm after making some more while we waited for the elevator.
Then when we arrived at the hotel registration area, guess who was there ahead of us? KKK. Miss Beautiful and one of her Brazilian VIP'er. I was all set to play it cool, but Miss Beautiful smiled at me, chuckled, and sad Hi. Which I found very surprising because 99% of the time a girl never acknowledges another customer or possible customer when she is with someone else. It is just not done. But I guess that when a girl is as attractive as Miss Beautiful is, she can do anything she wants (within reason of course). HA HA. So, I responded with casual "Hi, it's a small world isn't it. ".
Ok, long story short, Miss Indigenous and I had a great session together. She was a great kisser. She blew me while kneeling in the shower and later on the bed. I went down on her, and she seemed very surprised and then she became very turned on. I think she had an orgasm, but who knows. Then as I moved up in between her legs and began to kiss her, I was about to enter her vagina when she whispered the dreaded words, "condom please" and I pulled back a little. I said something like, "oh baby, we don't need a condom" and she repeated "condom please" so I thought fast and said, "I will give you a tip if we no condom" and she responded "900 (her original asking price) no condom". I said how about 800 and she gave me a look that said are you really going to negotiate NOW? KKK. And I caved. The sex was great as we engaged in multiple positions. I shot my load deep inside her pussy. It was another memorable Scandallo session wo we exchanged WhatsApp numbers. Then over the remaining weeks of my stay in SP, I repeated with her two more times.
Now to the kicker to my story: I still wanted to hook up with Miss Beautiful especially after her brief acknowledgement of my presence at the hotel's front desk. I figured that without her 3 Brazilian VIP'ers waiting in the wings she would ask a more reasonable price from me. So, I looked for her on several subsequent visits to Scandallo. Unfortunately, I never saw her again. Too bad. HA HA. And so, Miss Beautiful is my 2022 girl that got away. I always remember the ones that got away. KKK.
[QUOTE=Anaggie;2770888]Great explanations from both Nounce and AH!!
I will add something to the newbie expectation of Scandello. Prepare for an expensive night out. Do not go there if you think you will be the "one" to land a stunner for cheap. The girls are all used to gringos coming in and know the game better than you. Go into Scandello as an experience that you will never get anywhere else. Sit back, have a drink and enjoy the sights. I cannot stress this enough take your time selecting. Talk to as many girls as you can. This will help your learning curve tremendously.
I prefer spinners with good looks but personality does it for me. I usually take the girl for the weekend so personality is a big issue. She can be hot as fuck but dumb as a doorknob and I will toss her. She is cute yet not drop dead gorgeous but can carry a conversation and she is a keeper. It takes me time to sift thru the inventory so to speak. I usually end up with good ones but I also spend time talking to them before working out a weekend price. Does it cost more? Sure. But I have sex available on demand all weekend and no pressure to keep looking for girls and paying entry fees and so forth. To each his own.
Just remember to have a good time, share your experiences and enjoy in your own way.[/QUOTE]Much respect and appreciation for your approach Anaggie. But, for me I prefer to get around and try to fuck as many different girls as I can. So hit this club tonight. Then hit this one the next night and so on. Even flying off to another city to sample the delights of the clubs there. Then before I depart the country circle back to the clubs that I enjoyed the most for one more go. And since Brazil has lots of good online options too, I might try an online girl here and there. Everybody must learn to play the game differently depending on what works for them from a time, budget, and pure sexual desire standpoint.
[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2770893]Now to the kicker to my story: I still wanted to hook up with Miss Beautiful especially after her brief acknowledgement of my presence at the hotel's front desk. I figured that without her 3 Brazilian VIP'ers waiting in the wings she would ask a more reasonable price from me. So, I looked for her on several subsequent visits to Scandallo. Unfortunately, I never saw her again. Too bad. HA HA. And so, Miss Beautiful is my 2022 girl that got away. I always remember the ones that got away. KKK.[/QUOTE]And I would always remember the ones that allowed BBCIP! Hope she was on birth control bro!
[QUOTE=TheCane;2770921]And I would always remember the ones that allowed BBCIP! Hope she was on birth control bro![/QUOTE]No worries, mate. After we finished showering and getting dressed, she mentioned the day after pill, plus I am at that age where my boys no longer pack the punch they once did, KKK, so I am 100% sure that she did not get pregnant. We exchanged WhatsApp numbers and I saw her 2 more times while I was in town. I am still in touch with her, and I will probably see her again in May. She has one kid already and I know that the last thing she wants is to have another one. I got tested after I came home because she wasn't the only one. So, all's well that ends well.
Brazilian girls are conservative on the BBFS issue. You might want to stay away from the PI and Indonesia if this is of real concern to you because the girls over there are way, way looser. Personally, I find it very hard, almost impossible to resist BBFS when it is available, and when the girl is of high quality. I would cover up every time were I to go to Vila Mimosa in RJ for example. But then slum surfing is not my thing and I have not been to that part of town. I see little reason to go.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2770503]You can read this post. My suggestion is for newbies, do it like I said and learn from there if you don't know and don't want to be taken advantage of. It's a starting point and you may reach a final price in between. I have other source about the same girl so I know it is likely true
I am going to repeat what I have posted before. You can get attractive girls online for around 500-600. You add the girl's cost of 250 to 300 to work at Scandallo. The girl needs to charge 800-900 to make the same amount of money so I think that is a reasonable price for an attractive girl that is not a Scandallo regular. Just keep in mind that it is an estimate what a reasonable price is, it is not the price you will get. The numbers may have changed but the math is the same.
Coincidently, I have posted a picture of a Scandallo girl here before. She is one of the most attractive girls I met at Scandallo. She charged 800 at Scandallo and 600 online. There was an online discussion by locals about her. She accepted only a few online sessions a week because she said she could easily get paid more at Scandallo. She schooled me about inflation too.
I also don't think all girls pay to work there. I met a girl who was sent there by her agency. My guess is she does not have to pay because she was asked to be present there. I had her in my place several times and she would mention to me when she would be at Scandallo because the owner asked their presence. There is no reason for her to pay to work at Scandallo for one day a week on a slow day.
I think this price may stick eventually. I went to a Medellin club about a month ago. All quotes are in USD. The least amount is 200USD/hr and the most is 300USD/hr. The girls are not even attractive to me. This place used to be 200 mil COP. My guess is some tourists misunderstood 200 as 200 USD and paid that. Then it became a scam to trap tourists, and now it becomes a standard opening price. 200 USD in about 1 million COP in today's exchange rate.[/QUOTE]I'm curios about the Medellin club you are referring to because to my knowledge no club like that exist unless your referring to Gusto. If so the girls all start at 200 $ but 80% of them will leave with you for 350-400 mill.
[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2770995]No worries, mate. After we finished showering and getting dressed, she mentioned the day after pill, plus I am at that age where my boys no longer pack the punch they once did, KKK, so I am 100% sure that she did not get pregnant. We exchanged WhatsApp numbers and I saw her 2 more times while I was in town. I am still in touch with her, and I will probably see her again in May. She has one kid already and I know that the last thing she wants is to have another one. I got tested after I came home because she wasn't the only one. So, all's well that ends well.
Brazilian girls are conservative on the BBFS issue. You might want to stay away from the PI and Indonesia if this is of real concern to you because the girls over there are way, way looser. Personally, I find it very hard, almost impossible to resist BBFS when it is available, and when the girl is of high quality. I would cover up every time were I to go to Vila Mimosa in RJ for example. But then slum surfing is not my thing and I have not been to that part of town. I see little reason to go.[/QUOTE]I'm well aware of the modus operandi in the PI. I spent a month traipsing around those islands. BBFS was the default setting for those girls.
[QUOTE=SamaRiding;2770337]Are they asking you to submit the IDs in advance or for the guests to give their IDs at the lobby? Most luxury buildings in Brazil require people to give their IDS to be copied, photos taken and even fingerprints. This is very common and all the GPS know and do this. I've stayed in buildings that have tighter security than most banks with fingerprint access and double gated entry / driveway. I try to find an Airbnb that doesn't require advance submission, which is usually the host policy and not the building policy. If the guest policy is not clear, sometimes I would ask the host. I tell them I'm in SP for work and would it be ok for me to invite 1-2 coworkers over. I mention they will be quiet and will not use the common spaces. Hahaha.[/QUOTE]Sorry for late reply and thanks. The host told me in the airbnb chat that I need to report them in the chat but one hooker told me she has already been to where I'm staying at and they just took her documents and called the tenant (my airbnb also has fingerprint access and double gate). Turns out that was exactly what they did in my case when I ordered another one. Now it's time for me to try one at the 500+ price level.
[QUOTE=SteelDh;2771012]I'm curios about the Medellin club you are referring to because to my knowledge no club like that exist unless your referring to Gusto. If so the girls all start at 200 $ but 80% of them will leave with you for 350-400 mill.[/QUOTE]Yes, Gusto. Not saying it is impossible, it is just based on my observation that I am not sure they will leave at that price. My comment mainly is talking about how it evolved from an accident to a scam to just straight USD, less about how much they actually get. On the street outside, one negra that was the most attractive to me and my wingman asked for 350, and she would not come down in price the next day when I contacted here during daytime, while most people say they would lower their price. I have ran this experiment more than once
The reason I went is because I read a report by a member about his experience so I went to see if I could reproduce it. My experience differs simply because none were that attractive.
[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2770605]...How does your math work for pernoites?[/QUOTE]I don't do pernoites that is why I don't talk about it. I am also in a different situation because I spend more time here so I have time on my side. I never talked to girls about hourly stuff either, and I rarely have girls talking to me about time. I went with girls to love motel a few times, and it was at least a couple of hours in the motel. When they come to my place, they never mention time either. I just want to relax after work, so I invite one and they would stay with no rush. I think this may have something to do with the girl I picked. I usually pick new faces. It's like shopping. I am not likely to get someone in Scandallo that I can get elsewhere at much lower price or I know is a regular. I will pay reasonable asking price if it is someone that is rare which could mean she is a lawyer, an 18 yr old English speaking university student, or simply a very attractive girl. I guess to them, it's a sure bet coming to me and less time then going to Scandallo since I am paying them what I paid in Scandallo
I think in this aspect, it is much better in Medellin since most girls that I know don't have jobs or don't want to get a job. They would come and stay several hours for around 50 USD. They are less educated then Brasileras that I know but they can be wild in a different way after they get to know you. They all love weeds and we know what that can do.
It took me a while to figure out. This is how one girl talks when she is stoned. lol
[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2770893]Part 1: Miss Beautiful or the one that got away, but A. H. Has a happy ending anyway.[/QUOTE]Nice Story!
[QUOTE=Nounce;2771126]
I think in this aspect, it is much better in Medellin since most girls that I know don't have jobs or don't want to get a job. They would come and stay several hours for around 50 USD. They are less educated then Brasileras that I know but they can be wild in a different way after they get to know you. They all love weeds and we know what that can do.
It took me a while to figure out. This is how one girl talks when she is stoned. lol[/QUOTE]When you say "weeds" (plural), do you mean weed (singular) or rather the Erythroxylum alkaloid Andean countries are famous for?
[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2770893]Part 1: Miss Beautiful or the one that got away, but A. H. Has a happy ending anyway..............So, I looked for her on several subsequent visits to Scandallo. Unfortunately, I never saw her again. Too bad. HA HA. And so, Miss Beautiful is my 2022 girl that got away. I always remember the ones that got away. KKK.[/QUOTE]The ones that got away stick in our memories. Of course in our minds, they are charming partners, their naked bodies are flawless and we imagine a perfect night of sex.
For the vacationing Newbies out there, if you find an amazing girl strike when the iron is hot. I've missed hooking up with some amazing Brasileiras because I didn't pursue something diligently. I rationalized that I would see them another night or I could just call them and they would come over. The Tier One girls don't necessarily come running when you call. They also don't need to be at the boate every night to cover their nut.
Having said that, like Axel I would not have paid what this beauty asked. In the end, the reality is there is always another hot girl who will be a great experience.
This is an open question to Axel, Nounce, etc. Are you seeing a noticeable drop in prices near closing time? I don't necessarily recommend it, because the girls are tired and often I am tired. The hotter girls have been skimmed off the pool of girls. However, I have found myself in a boate very late. Perhaps I napped too long after a busy day and got a late start. Perhaps I stuck around after an earlier session and see a girl who intrigues me.
[QUOTE=XXL;2771156]When you say "weeds" (plural), do you mean weed (singular) or rather the Erythroxylum alkaloid Andean countries are famous for?[/QUOTE]I didn't know that. It is weed. To add to the context of my post, sometimes I was wondering why the girl was so happy to see me and I had thought she was in love with me. LOL. I already knew they smoke because I let them smoke in my place but I did not notice the mood change that much. One day, I was busy so she was waiting in the car for me to go down to pay the driver. I saw she was smoking in the car, then it hit me that was what I see in her messages.
[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2771215].... Are you seeing a noticeable drop in prices near closing time?....[/QUOTE]I don't know because I have never been quoted very high price. I was almost always quoted around 500, and 600 during my first trip, no more than 1000 the second trip and I met some very attractive girls on second trip. I know others have been quoted much higher price at the same time I was there. My guess is that it maybe like Axel said, the girl sized me up based on my appearance (always jean and t-shirt or hoodie) and decided to quote me a reasonable price. I also know I don't pick the perfect looking girl or I tolerate and ignore some imperfections. Maybe I have less competition so the price is reasonable. That is just something about myself that I found out after the fact after seeing what others like, and not that I look for imperfection.
Is there a way to check if there are hidden cameras in an airbnb?.....dont want to see myself on pornhub one day
[QUOTE=BangKoker;2771061]Sorry for late reply and thanks. The host told me in the airbnb chat that I need to report them in the chat but one hooker told me she has already been to where I'm staying at and they just took her documents and called the tenant (my airbnb also has fingerprint access and double gate). Turns out that was exactly what they did in my case when I ordered another one. Now it's time for me to try one at the 500+ price level.[/QUOTE]
No owner of a mid / high class airbnb who invested thousands of dollars into his business, would risk everything by placing a hidden camera in your room. So I guess you should not worry.
Also, Pornhub does not allow uploading non consensual sex since 2020.
Security cameras is a different stuff. You'll always be recorded, but unless you street fuck your pick or common areas of your airbnb, like stairs or elevators (which I did), there is nothing to worry about.
The owner of the airbnb I rented, gave me access to the security cams of the building. So, one morning when I was with the hang over, I spent a few minutes searching for myself by the day and hour I arrived and voila, it's me with my lovely companion, getting off the taxi. That's only three weeks ago.
A deep throat to remember.
[QUOTE=Fewdie;2771442]Is there a way to check if there are hidden cameras in an airbnb?.....dont want to see myself on pornhub one day[/QUOTE]
Hello, I am really close to booking the Christmas / New Years two weeks in Sao Paulo. Does anyone know when the clinics I. E. Tangera will be open or closed? If I can swing it I will be arriving on Christmas day and leaving the 7th or so. TIA.
I had a date with a sugar baby candidate who is 175 cm tall, red head with green eyes based on the description. She won't video chat but we set a date anyway since she would have to come to me. She said she like pastas, so I picked a restaurant. She is a little far but she said she would drive her own car. I quickly came up with a plan be and went to Enjoy after reading her last message. LOL. By the time she got off work at 18:00, there is still no message, and she did not show.
Is Enjoy 170 for one hour with forista discount? That is what I was charged for about 45 minutes. That seems cheap. I read GPG and most paid 170 but without specifying time.
My second SB date went similarly. I was hungry so I wrote the date off and tried to find some Italian food in the Italian town. I found gold by accident and found a local Brazilian dish what the owner said was called sarapatel, and the best mocoto I have tasted in Brazil. She said she opens at 8 PM. I will go back to try her other pots.
[QUOTE=WonderWhy;2771677]Hello, I am really close to booking the Christmas / New Years two weeks in Sao Paulo. Does anyone know when the clinics I. E. Tangera will be open or closed? If I can swing it I will be arriving on Christmas day and leaving the 7th or so. TIA.[/QUOTE]I don't think the clinicas have posted their holiday schedules in their WhatsApp updates yet, but last year Tangara I think was open the day after Christmas up to the 31st, and Prime was open from the day after Christmas through the 30th. There was also a debate whether or not the top regulars would be there given the holidays, but for those two clinicas all the best were there during the holiday week.
[QUOTE=WonderWhy;2771677]Hello, I am really close to booking the Christmas / New Years two weeks in Sao Paulo. Does anyone know when the clinics I. E. Tangera will be open or closed? If I can swing it I will be arriving on Christmas day and leaving the 7th or so. TIA.[/QUOTE]This is oe clinica's reply when I asked for you.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2771821]I had a date with a sugar baby candidate who is 175 cm tall, red head with green eyes based on the description. She won't video chat but we set a date anyway since she would have to come to me. She said she like pastas, so I picked a restaurant. She is a little far but she said she would drive her own car. I quickly came up with a plan be and went to Enjoy after reading her last message. LOL. By the time she got off work at 18:00, there is still no message, and she did not show. My second SB date went similarly. I was hungry so I wrote the date off and tried to find some Italian food in the Italian town. I found gold by accident and found a local Brazilian dish what the owner said was called sarapatel, and the best mocoto I have tasted in Brazil. She said she opens at 8 PM. I will go back to try her other pots.[/QUOTE]Well, at least you ended up "eating something" bro. Hahaha! And I love pale redheads with pretty faces and green eyes! I have fucked two such over my many travels to Brazil. The girl in the green dress was found at Scandallo, and uuff I took her deep up inside of her clean, pink butt hole in the room. She laid on her side with me laying behind on my side, and I entered into her anal cavity that way as she reached back at me, grabbing at me to push deep into her gaucha branca asshole. The other girl laying on the bed is one who I found on one of the escort websites (she's still advertising today). A very young, sweet, and intelligent girl who was quite thoughtful and eager to please. She was also willing to let me take her in her butt hole. I tried, but her anal orifice was just too tight. In those circumstances, I usually resort to my patented missionary anal technique, but didn't that time. I don't know why not. I do remember that I pussy fucked her missionary hard and she sucked me off good! Nutted all in her lips and she took it all (didn't draw back for even a nanosecond). When she finally pulled back there was spermatozoa on her mouth. I liked seeing those results. I liked it all very much. Both of those pretty ruivas gave me a big boner yo! Hahaha!
[QUOTE=WonderWhy;2771677]Hello, I am really close to booking the Christmas / New Years two weeks in Sao Paulo. Does anyone know when the clinics I. E. Tangera will be open or closed? If I can swing it I will be arriving on Christmas day and leaving the 7th or so. TIA.[/QUOTE]Prime said they are open without more detail. I guess that means they may close one day or two but mostly open.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2771855]Prime said they are open without more detail. I guess that means they may close one day or two but mostly open.[/QUOTE]Hey Nounce,
I have already booked my SP Winter escapade (May thru June 23). And I will bring my Patagonia fleece liner along for comfort. Ha Ha. But being the addict that I am, I am already thinking about the trip after the next one which might just be around this time next year (2023). I am not that concerned about what is open. I am more interested in who and how many quality girls stay in town over Christmas and New Years and what Scandallo and the other Boater are like this time of the year? For example, I went to Scandallo on Sunday (Nov 13) immediately following F1 week and it was like the "be" team showed up and there were not too many of them either. Ha Ha. Luckily, I ran into a girl I met previously and had a good time anyway. I wonder if Christmas week and New Years might be something similar. If so, I will take Valerie somewhere nice in the country.
P.S. I have got a thing for natural redheads too.
I just finished taking a long shower. While I was in there thinking, I recalled that it was a Brazilian redhead who changed my life forever. It was that session with her during that very first fateful trip to Brazil that changed my way of thinking about life and living for good. Arianne caused me to go through a paradigm shift hehehe! These pictures of her at a now long defunct club are some of my absolute favorites of all time. She was such a beautiful girl! And she knew how to suck dick and fuck (but if I went too deep up in that carioca cornhole Arianne would come up off that dong though haha)! Here's to you Arianne wherever you are today! Salve as ruivas!
[QUOTE=Fewdie;2771442]Is there a way to check if there are hidden cameras in an airbnb?.....dont want to see myself on pornhub one day[/QUOTE]There are devices you can buy (for under $20) that allow you to locate hidden cameras.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2771855]Prime said they are open without more detail. I guess that means they may close one day or two but mostly open.[/QUOTE]I really appreciate it. It is a major effort for me to get there and I want to make good use of my time.
[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2771879]... natural redheads .[/QUOTE]She has a rare eye color, light grayish blue.
I booked my flights. Will be arriving on Christmas day and leaving on 9 January. It will be interesting to see what can be dredged up. If anyone else is there it would be fun to meet. I am not a complete newb as I have made several trips there since 2018. Will be looking for a nice air bnb to supplement the hilton points I will be using.
[QUOTE=TheCane;2771840]The other girl laying on the bed is one who I found on one of the escort websites (she's still advertising today). A very young, sweet, and intelligent girl who was quite thoughtful and eager to please. She was also willing to let me take her in her butt hole. I tried, but her anal orifice was just too tight. In those circumstances, I usually resort to my patented missionary anal technique, but didn't that time. I don't know why not. I do remember that I pussy fucked her missionary hard and she sucked me off good! Nutted all in her lips and she took it all (didn't draw back for even a nanosecond). When she finally pulled back there was spermatozoa on her mouth. I liked seeing those results. I liked it all very much. Both of those pretty ruivas gave me a big boner yo! Hahaha![/QUOTE]She goes by Luna Kim at the moment and met her 2 years ago during my first trip to Brazil in sao paulo. She's a carioca and goes back and forth from rio to SP often. Luckily she just happened to be in the city and I caught her just before I left for rio and she left for vacation. I was new to Brazil so I was unaware brazilian redheads were a thing and in abundant! She spoke perfect english and I asked if she would do a threesome with another redhead who goes by Marina that usually has a listing in MClass site. She actually set it up for me and got an uber to pick her up and they both arrived together and got to chat and get to know each other a bit. They both came to my place for 400 BRL each which was a steal! I'm super into redheads and a latina redhead is just a cherry on top! Luna is like 26 yr and Marina was like Mid 30's. The joy of getting a threesome with two hot NATURAL redheads was pure bliss and really cemented my love for Brazil afterwards. Had a great time with both and she's the every bit of the nympho you described her as. Montreal has a good amount of redheads as well with a cute french accents but nothing beats a pale redhead with blue / green eyes with a bunda.
Went to Brazil in September and finally got around to writing up a report. It's a long one but will have lots of intel and info.
This is my 5th time in Brazil and will be back in March for the Lollapalooza Fest besides other things.
I won't go to in depth with names and every shag for it would almost sound like bragging at that point. The Famous Author, Willy Shakes famously said "Brevity is the soul of wit" so I'll do just that. Or try to.
AIRPORT.
I landed in Campinas airport or VCP which is like 90 minutes away from the city. I landed around 8 pm so no traffic but if you get in during 3-5 pm it will take 2 hours or so to get in the city. Guarulhos International Airport or GRU is the most common airport international flights come in from and is closer, 40 mins but I landed a good deal coming into Campinas. Congonhas Airport or CGH is the domestic airport that will take you to Rio if you need to go there. It's close by moema where the clinicas are so if you fall in love with one of the clinicas girls you can fly them out to rio rather quickly and get married on Copacabana beach in 3 hours or less. I'm assuming that's the reason for the close proximity but I could be wrong.
UBER.
I would highly recommend you get the UBER pass or whatever it's called if you're staying for longer periods to save on trips. It costs like 20 BRL and you save 10% every ride so it really adds up. Its good for the month so it's a real easy way to save that money you're about to blow on various girls. UBER are available everywhere around SP and is the best mode of transportation. If you have trouble getting a driver you might have to get an UBER black which cost more but it's less expensive than getting mugged on the street as you wait on the street with your iPhone 13 Pro MAX trying to get a cheaper fare.
PHONE.
It's highly important to have some type of connection to get your uber rides and tell these dickless tutes that you're in town and you're here to HBOMAX and FUCK.
Most US / EURO-Trash carriers have options to buy an international pass to have your phone and SIM card work in Brazil.
You can also use Google FI which I used this trip and it worked flawlessly.
You can also buy a sim card at the various malls in SP and have that installed but some members have had issues with that and going to different kiosks and because of that, for newbies its easier to just use Google FI but to each their own anal.
I brought 2 phones just in case.
If you're phone breaks or gets lost or stolen you're going to be lost BIG TIME so good to bring two just in case for that reason.
Also if you buy a phone in Brazil its going to be your turn to get fucked by a brazilian guy named thiago with their ridiculous import mark up.
AIRBNB / HOTEL.
I went with an AirBNB as I always do every trip and one of the host really fucked me good, he didn't charge me for that so that was nice but more importantly I had problems with my airbnb which was the real issue.
I always like to book 3 weeks ahead of time at least to secure my place. The day before I left the host cancelled my booking because the building outlawed airbnb in their place. So I had to quickly fine something before my flight the next day. I ended up finding something but this new place you had smile at a camera, go down two floors, walk around the building, take two elevators, renounce your citizenship and enter a 8 digit passcode to get into the room. The AC / Heating unit wasn't working that well and remember this was in September when SP gets cold so it was cold! Make sure if you go to SP between September. January that your place has good heating or else you'll be shivering. I ended up getting another place.
Airbnbs in SP can be really good value but I can see why alot of guys here prefer a hotel as you won't encounter these issues.
If you do get a AirBNB make sure you do ask if you can bring a "friend" over. Some host won't allow it so that can cause issues. Some girls will only go to a hotel so that can be another con. Had that happen this trip. So plan accordingly.
LANAGUAGE.
I would highly recommend you learn a bit of porto before you land in Brazil.
Use duolingo, pimsluer, rosette stone or watch brazilian moves or listen to brazilian songs and really do your best to learn 15 mins a day.
It really impresses and chills these girls. The one thing I learned is that most of these girls really detest foreign guys who act like they are better than brazilians and expects brazilians to try to learn english to cater to them. Just knowing the basics words and phrasing goes a long way. Brazilians are proud of their country so when they see people trying to learn more about their language and culture they are more open and warm and will lead to not only a better time but also potentially more than not a better deal. Google translate is acceptable to use but if you can help it try not to lean on it so much and really immerse yourself into this brave new world.
CASH.
Brazil is very Credit card friendly. I use mine's for pretty much everything in Brazil. You can also use a ATM to take money out so you don't really have to bring USD / EUROs to exchange the currency since the ATM will give you your currency value to the BRL value. Bradesco was the one I used alot and that worked for me the most. There are some ATMs that won't work with interational debit cards like the banco de brasil atms and a few others. There are 24 HR express shops called carrefour express that have ATMs that work with international debit cards so you can get some quick BRL if you need it. Some girls also have little card machines to have you pay them. Sometimes they charge you 10% sometimes they don't, depends on the girls mood or the size of your dick so I never had to pay that 10%. Some clinicas / boates charge 10% more if you use a card, some don't and some charge up to 30% for using your Credit card. If you use cash, some will give you a discount. Some also accept USD / EUROs. Online girls will usually accept USD / EUROS as well. One girl I met accepted Romanian leu! I salute the crazy bastard that was able to do that LOL.
GIRLS, GIRLS, GIRLS.
So I met a mixture of online girls, seeking, boates, clinicas and repeats.
I'll do a run down of each and later I'll post a more in depth of establishments as I took photos of most places.
BOATES.
-Scandallo.
Still the biggest and most upscale place to be in the city.
They are getting brave lately charging more for entry and even charging girls who want to work just once every blue moon from 200 to 300. I heard first time girls could come for free to see if they would like to work there but now I heard that's not the case.
I went with a whole bunch of forum members a few nights. It was 8 of us in total so we got a big table in the restaurant area to get some grub and then ordered a few big bottles (you can pool in your consumption together and split the drinks evenly across everyone) and went out to the outdoor smoking / bar area. We drank and toasted like kings. We chatted for 2 hours just guys being dudes. The girls were circling us which was a nice view LOL.
Lots of girls every night but I can be picky at times and didn't see any japa or natural ruvias which was a bummer.
Saw a couple of girls I did 3 trips ago and they greeted me warmly. I offered 500 and they accepted. They seem to be regulars so take that into account.
Since some girls are paying 300 just to get in it's really not crazy for girl to ask 800 or more. I get it but doesn't mean I like it. Some girls would throw 2 k or 3 k. I tend to go for GND type of girls so I would get 1 K at most and would settle at 600-700.
I like scandallo but you're spending 1500 brl more or less at the end of the day and so it's not the best to go everyday unless you're fine with spending that and have no issues with it.
Entry-300 before 7 pm, 500 after 7 pm.
Room-230.
Girls-500-1500 for 1 HR.
Connections.
Nice club but an 1 HR drive from the city more or less. It has some decent girls and the rooms are scandallo quality but the distance can be tough at times and you sometimes have toruble getting an uber to get there or get back home so you might have to use UBER black.
Girls can go for 400-800 for 1 HR.
Great food and some 7/8's here.
Cheap entry. Worth a look for you're in town and make up your own mind.
Entry-100.
Room-200.
Girls-400-800 1 HR.
Bomboa.
A nice little upscale boate. It's pretty tight here. You usually just sit down at a table and girls will periodically walk around. There's an upstairs bar so don't miss that as some girls go there to take a smoke break or get some sushi.
Girls here are 7/9's but very limited amount of girls since its a small area. Rooms are decent like a 3 star hotel room but mirrors around the room which I like.
Food is pretty good here too. I like it here at times but since its a bit small what you see is pretty much what you get.
Would recommend you go and see for yourself.
Entry-250.
Room-150.
Girls-400-800 1 HR.
Lotus Lounge.
This place is no longer a boate.
It's a regular club now.
Casarao.
Easily my name favorite place in SP!
It used to be a trash place but they recently renovated the place and now have a dress code. People use to come here in basketball shorts and flip flops but now you have to look decent.
It really feels like a regular bar joint. TONS of girls.
This place opens at 11 pm but most girls start showing up 12:30 so pretty late.
Scandallo girls come here if they don't score there.
The great thing is that this place is cheap to enter and to bang for 30 mins.
There's all kinds of girls here so it's good for everyone.
Does attract a younger crowd of brazilians.
If all else fails come here at 1 am and get your score here!
This is like the opposite of scandallo where I'm picky because its high pay for 1 HR so I want it to be a 9 or 10.
Where here I can take multiple girls for 30 mins if they peak my curiosity.
Entry-50.
Room for 30 min-100.
Girl for 30 mins-300.
CLINICALS.
Didn't go to much this time around but stopped by a few.
Abborabora is still top for me although their bed is a big yoga mat thing.
Prime is also really good and the first floor room is a regular bed.
57 Friends house is decent with a english speaking lady at the front desk but went when there was only 1 girl other times they had lots.
I went to Lotus Spa and I picked a girl from the tablet and she didn't look as good as pictures.
She did her best but I was disappointed to say the least.
This is the gamble with tablet only places like these and for 680 brl its a big one.
Rooms are great tho.
I also went to Baronesas club.
Its a sister club to lotus spa.
I booked a natural redhead Argentina girl.
She looked more hotter in her picture but in person she's more of a GND with freckles so not a bad tradeoff for me anyways.
Really cute girl with a nice massage and was a real GND experience.
We talked a bit and she was really sweet.
Had a good time and the room was top notch.
For 680 brl tho it can be tough for some to justify.
Lushness.
This is a new place that opened up.
Another tablet place but looks decent and has good reviews but haven't gone.
Keep on your raders and take a look and report back.
ONLINE.
So I only went with one online girl this time around but she was my moby dick and as a relentless Ahab I needed to harpoon this creature!
[URL]https://www.private55.com/sao-paulo/acompanhante/sofia-gaucha[/URL]
My last three trips she would either be out of town or she would just plainly not respond back.
Finally this time around she got back to me fast and we set up a meet. She would not meet me at my airbnb. She would only meet at a hotel or love motel. For me that was fine since I wanted a lot of mirrors because I've been waiting for so long to get this chick and I wanted the best views. So we ended up meeting at lush. It was 3 pm but the rooms were all booked except the basic room so if you really plan on banging a girl here make sure to reserve ahead of time if you can.
She was tiny, pale, green eyes and redhead not natural tho. She had a good amount of plastic surgery but pretty tastefully done. She enjoyed being treated like a fucktoy so that was great. She did seem a bit stuck up but after we talked she loosened up and she told me she respected the fact I was speaking in porto and making an effort to try and learn. She didn't like foreign guys expecting her to carry a conversation without trying. She had a little CC machine but it wasnt working so I told her we could go to the mall and I can get some cash there and we can eat something. Surprisingly she was cool with it. I got her cash and we got some food at the food court at the mall, nothing fancy. We walked around the mall a bit holding hands and acting like BF / GF. From some other guys reviews on her she seemed a bit cold but she was really down to earth and not a diva. Pleasantly surprised! Hopefully in March I can see her again she's cute and for 500 not a bad deal.
SEEKING.
So I made the mistake of starting Seeking 2 weeks before I left for Brazil.
It seems you want to start at least a month early and sort of develop a repour with these girls if you can.
I also didn't use a picture for my Profile pic, so try to upload a very non discreet pic of you so they know you are a real person and not a bot.
I must have messaged 25 girls and only ended up setting up a meet with two girls and meeting only one.
The other thing is that most girls will put SP as their location and be 2 hour drive away from the city. It was bad.
The good thing is that I was easily able to negotiate BBFS.
I'm in my Mid 20's and I feel like I'm losing brain cells talking to any girls under 23. They are just the salt of the earth. The driest.
I can't tolerate girls like that and I can't see how some guys who are over 40+ deals with girls like that. Its the worst. I found girls 23-28 were the most responsive and down to earth and actually have a personality.
So I met a girl named layla on seeking. She had a goth gamer japanese look to her so I told her to come over. She lived 90 minutes away so I had to tell her to come over early so she would get here sometime reasonable. The uber ride was 150 BRL which in the US would be $150 so another reason I love Brazil. I told her to start coming over at 5 pm and she ended up coming at 8 pm. She got lost when she got dropped off so I had to literally track her down and that took 30 mins of me running to find her. This was at my cold airbnb so when we got up we took a shower and were shivering. We fucked and it was ok. I chalked it up to the cold so decided to try a love motel. Lush was the pick but she didn't have her ID and some weird student ID. I was supposed to meet another forum member at scandallo that night and she was hungry so I told her she can come in with me and eat and I'll send her back to her place afterwards. She was game. We got to scandallo and I recall girls who came with a guy or at least for the first time get in for free but they charged her 300 even tho I told them she wasn't here to work but was with me. Didn't help. I got her up anyways.
She got some food with my consumption and I showed her a tour of the club after meeting up with the forum member.
She was highly impressed as she never knew a place like this existed. She told me she was Bi so I asked her if any girls peaked her interest. She said yes. I asked if she wanted to do a threesome and she said she would be down if I was. So we went around the club together looking for a girl we both liked. She had a japanese school girl outfit on and she had that jet black straight hair that made her look so good that everytime we walked by a group of guys they would all take a look at her and some were just waiting to make their move LOL.
After passing on some girls she liked we settled on a blonde from rio. We talked details in the restaurant and she agreed to a threesome with the both of us for 700 with no condom. It was a deal!
So we all went up and I was able to finally do my first BBFS threesome!
It was great not having to change condoms. I enjoyed myself alot and so did my seeking girl. It did cost me a pretty penny when you factor entry for me and her, double room fee and then technically I was taking my seeking girl out when we left so it added up but it was worth it! It was a real thrill having a hot submissive girl who would do anything I asked her to do and have guys trying to wait for their chance to make a move. Walking around with her was like a kid in candy store with blank check. She was able to convince the other girl to go bare without me asking. It was perfect!
We met up again the day before I left and we ended up going to a anime shop to buy her a pink wig and some anime clothes so she had the real anime look and we recorded the whole thing in 4 K.
She was a real submissive girl and looking forward to seeing her again.
The other girl I was supposed to meet was also a anime girl and she was going to bring some costumes to bang her in and record BBFS but she wasn't able to make it on time so didn't go throught sadly.
PRICING.
So my last thoughts is on pricing.
There really is no set pricing for girls to come and see you for 1 HR, 1 night or 1 week.
There is a sort of standard but it changes depending on the girl, you and chemistry.
For example.
I saw this girl named brenda who's a non pro that was at scandallo to earn a few extra bucks for her daughters birthday trip.
She was there the whole night and didn't land one guy.
I left at closing time and so did she.
She seemed cute but again I was picky since scandallo is a high price.
So the next night I go to casarao and see her there. I'm with another forum member and he likes her so I translate for him and they go for the night. I get her number before she leaves so we can meet up later.
So my buddy pays her 1500 to spend 3 hrs with her at his hotel BBFS and record it.
He said she was great so I hit her up and she said she can come over my place for 500 for 1 HR.
I go for it and tell her to come at 3 pm and she comes on time.
I usually rely on the girls to bring a condom but this girl isn't a pro so she thought I had some. I told her I'm clean and she said she was too so we can do it without it so we have a great session and I ask her to stay another hour but says she can't because she has to go to her regular job at the supermarket but says she can come straight back to me after she's done with her shift.
So 9 pm comes and she sends me her live location and arrives in 30 mins.
We have another great time and she ends up staying almost 2 hours and this time I also record on top of the BBFS. She also didn't charge me.
I told her she was great and since I'm going to rio I asked her if she would like to come and she said it depends if I can match what her job pays for the day. I asked how much she made a day and she said 250 BRL. So I told her I'll pay her 300 a day for 3 days and another 300 for her bus ticket so 1200 BRL in total and she gladly accepted.
I told my buddy this and he was impressed with the deal I got but he also isn't the kind of guy to spend 3 days with the same girl. Even if he was given the same rate he would turn it down because he likes the variety. On my second trip I was able to take another SP girl to rio with me for 1 week for nothing.
So pricing really does depend on different factors. You, the girl, her being pro or non pro, her chemistry with you, her financial situation, etc.
OVERALL.
I really like SP.
I now like it more than Rio.
Rio is just too small for me.
I will make a report about my Rio trip as well.
The amount of boates, clinicals and online girls are just abundant and you can find pretty much anything you want in SP especially Ruivas (except black girls, not many compared to rio).
I like the high rise condos and luxury settings with the 1 to 5 conversion rate.
A shame there is no close beaches or natural scenery but I can live with that.
Those are my thoughts on SP.
I will be posting more about the boates I've been to later with more details and pics soon.
Great report Bearsi!! Really enjoyed reading it and now I am counting the days till my trip in February. I am hoping to finally check off the threesome BBFS providing that my negotiations go well for my next trip.
[QUOTE=Bearsi;2772057]OVERALL.
I really like SP.
I now like it more than Rio.
Rio is just too small for me.
The amount of boates, clinicals and online girls are just abundant and you can find pretty much anything you want in SP especially Ruivas (except black girls, not many compared to rio).
A shame there is no close beaches or natural scenery but I can live with that.[/QUOTE]Excellent, excellent report Bearsi. Love your writing style, makes a fun read. I used to be a Rio fan boy but has since be fully converted and hooked on SP. I was too naive and young back then. But Rio treated me well so I can't complain too much.
There are in fact beaches nearby on the coast. If one of your scandallo / seeking girls has a car you can ask her to drive the both of you out there and enjoy some BBFS on the beach!
[QUOTE=Bearsi;2772057] Went to Brazil in September and finally got around to writing up a report. It's a long one but will have lots of intel and info.
This is my 5th time in Brazil and will be back in March for the Lollapalooza Fest besides other things. [/QUOTE]Good, detailed report. Lots of useful and actionable information. Looking forward to your Rio report.
[QUOTE=Bearsi;2772057]Went to Brazil in September and finally got around to writing up a report. It's a long one but will have lots of intel and info.
This is my 5th time in Brazil and will be back in March for the Lollapalooza Fest besides other things.
I won't go to in depth with names and every shag for it would almost sound like bragging at that point. The Famous Author, Willy Shakes famously said "Brevity is the soul of wit" so I'll do just that. Or try to..[/QUOTE]This IMHO deserve to be a Report of Distinction for SP in Brazil. Thanks for the intel.
[QUOTE=Bearsi;2772057]
AIRBNB / HOTEL.
I went with an AirBNB as I always do every trip and one of the host really fucked me good, he didn't charge me for that so that was nice but more importantly I had problems with my airbnb which was the real issue.
I always like to book 3 weeks ahead of time at least to secure my place. The day before I left the host cancelled my booking because the building outlawed airbnb in their place. So I had to quickly fine something before my flight the next day. I ended up finding something but this new place you had smile at a camera, go down two floors, walk around the building, take two elevators, renounce your citizenship and enter a 8 digit passcode to get into the room. The AC / Heating unit wasn't working that well and remember this was in September when SP gets cold so it was cold! Make sure if you go to SP between September. January that your place has good heating or else you'll be shivering. I ended up getting another place.
Airbnbs in SP can be really good value but I can see why alot of guys here prefer a hotel as you won't encounter these issues.
If you do get a AirBNB make sure you do ask if you can bring a "friend" over. Some host won't allow it so that can cause issues. Some girls will only go to a hotel so that can be another con. Had that happen this trip. So plan accordingly.
[/QUOTE]Yes it can get cold in SP although AirBnB hosts will deny the absence of heating is a problem. Your AirBnB host may have cancelled because he got a better offer. How could this be since you had already booked? Well, some hosts advertise generic apartments they don't own (no address on AirBnB you see), then they cancel all biddings but the highest one. In my case the host didn't even bother to cancel, I was left on the pavement with my luggage, scrambling to go online and book a hotel for the night. AirBnB should clean their act and require hosts to specify the address for each advertised apartment.
No more AirBnBs in SP for me, except the one I know already if it happens to be available but it has no heating and I was miserable in it for some days in June. I thought I had done the clever thing in buying a cheap electric fan but not only did the fan fall off the table in the middle of the night under its own vibrations, but I got a terrible skin rash on my face at night when it was placed the floor. I assume the fan was blowing up some chemical-laden dust from the carpeting. It took me 2 sleepless antihistamine-swallowing night before I noticed it was the electric fan that caused the rash.
Maybe we should have a thread about girl-friendly AirBnBs in SP, with emphasis on reliability and safety (in-house safe?) and whether it has heating or hasn't and is best avoided during the cold months.
[QUOTE=XXL;2772361]it can get cold in SP..[/QUOTE]XXL, damn straight. It can get cold in SP, but Airbnb's are not the only accommodations without heat. The only 5 star hotel I know of with a working thermostat able to provide heat and maintain a comfortable in-room temperature is the Grand Hyatt. I have frozen my ass off in other hotels like the Intercontinental for example. No heat. Lesson learned. I pack warm insulated clothing in my suitcase when I travel to SP like the Patagonia Better Sweater as well as base layer Capilene and Merino wool long sleeve crew shirts. Valerie, my favorite girl, likes to wear one of my crew shirts when she comes over. On cold days it is like camping out in your hotel room.
[QUOTE=XXL;2772361].........AirBnB should clean their act and require hosts to specify the address for each advertised apartment.
Maybe we should have a thread about girl-friendly AirBnBs in SP, with emphasis on reliability and safety (in-house safe?) and whether it has heating or hasn't and is best avoided during the cold months.[/QUOTE]I thought AirBnB required addresses. I am a periodic AirBnB host and they require a lot of information and identification. The problem is that with these types of web-based enterprises people learn how to take advantage of the system. I've also had problems with lousy A / C units in apartments. Uncomfortable nights sleeping leads to poor sex during waking hours.
It is an excellent idea for people to share good AirBnBs. When I first started going to Brazil, there were reliable middle men with their own websites advertising short-term apartments. You could call them up and they would put you in a place that met your requirements. AirBnB put most of these guys out of business.
Now Airbnb is simply into volume and they accept a certain percentage of bad experiences. I won't book an AirBnB apartment unless the unit and owner have many stellar reviews. Since people don't want to be publicly harsh in their reviews, you have to read between the lines. The stellar Airbnb owners can charge a bit more because of their good reputation.
[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2772388]XXL, damn straight. It can get cold in SP, but Airbnb's are not the only accommodations without heat. The only 5 star hotel I know of with a working thermostat able to provide heat and maintain a comfortable in-room temperature is the Grand Hyatt. I have frozen my ass off in other hotels like the Intercontinental for example. No heat. Lesson learned. I pack warm insulated clothing in my suitcase when I travel to SP like the Patagonia Better Sweater as well as base layer Capilene and Merino wool long sleeve crew shirts. Valerie, my favorite girl, likes to wear one of my crew shirts when she comes over. On cold days it is like camping out in your hotel room.[/QUOTE]I took my very first trip to Sao Paulo during the winter months down there. I didn't like the hotel I chose, and one reason was that it was pretty drafty and cool in the room. I just couldn't get warm enough in there. Sounds like it's a problem at hotels all over town. I decided to deal with the issue in the future by never going down there again during their winter months. I've stuck with that approach and its worked out fine.
[QUOTE=Bearsi;2772057]
AIRBNB / HOTEL.
I went with an AirBNB as I always do every trip and one of the host really fucked me good,
I always like to book 3 weeks ahead of time at least to secure my place. The day before I left the host cancelled my booking because the building outlawed airbnb in their place. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=XXL;2772361]Yes it can get cold in SP although AirBnB hosts will deny the absence of heating is a problem. [/QUOTE]
I firmly believe that you should report to [B]Airbnb[/B] all Issues as a result of your stay. You may not feel it makes a difference, but it does. As far as the individual Host I would state the obvious in my reviews. (i.e., This particular property has no heat and gets cold during the winter months, No AC during summer months, No running hot water, and etc.) A substandard review could prompt a Host to change / improve property.
If you have a good relationship with the Host let them know of your issues (I have known some to have made changes to properties per my suggestions) Some Hosts want to encourage rentals from (or target) certain customers whether from certain countries or certain socio-economic categories since they can charge more. (Example, Americans desire heat during the winter months, the host may consider adding heating devise (for future rentals) if you explained that it's an issue because they want more American guests.).
I would go as far as telling a Host I really like your property and want to return on my next vacation, but I can't due to (insert issue) "me freezing my ass of in your property". You're not going to change or influence every Host but even if you influence one it can help all.
[QUOTE=TheCritic;2772647]I firmly believe that you should report to [B]Airbnb[/B] all Issues as a result of your stay. You may not feel it makes a difference, but it does. As far as the individual Host I would state the obvious in my reviews. (i.e., This particular property has no heat and gets cold during the winter months, No AC during summer months, No running hot water, and etc.) A substandard review could prompt a Host to change / improve property.
If you have a good relationship with the Host let them know of your issues (I have known some to have made changes to properties per my suggestions) Some Hosts want to encourage rentals from (or target) certain customers whether from certain countries or certain socio-economic categories since they can charge more. (Example, Americans desire heat during the winter months, the host may consider adding heating devise (for future rentals) if you explained that it's an issue because they want more American guests.).
I would go as far as telling a Host I really like your property and want to return on my next vacation, but I can't due to (insert issue) "me freezing my ass of in your property". You're not going to change or influence every Host but even if you influence one it can help all.[/QUOTE]I agree with The Cane if you can help it avoid coming during the winter months because now with everyone throwing in their 2 cents it seems BOTH airbnbs and hotels lack proper heating and this does bring problems especially when you have a girl over and your trying to do your thang but you're both shivering. When I brought my girl over we muscled through it during the first bang but after we both were freezing and couldn't relax. A lot of places have nice big ceiling to floor windows which give you a nice view of the skyline but also further lets the cold become a problem due to less insulation and no heat.
The Grand Hyatt is in fact the only hotel I can think of that does have good heating as someone as mentioned before. Not a bad location but not great either.
I left a critical but fair review of my place before I left and the host flipped so idk some of these hosts arent built to handle guests but alas they do.
If heating isn't a thing in your airbnb I would immediatly cancel your booking and contact airbnb for a refund. The host won't give it to you but if you go to airbnb customer support and explain the situation they 99% of the time side with you and give you a credit refund towards another place.
So seems like the grand hyatt is your safest bet. Location is very key for a good stay. You don't want any issues or packing and unpacking alot. You want to be near the places you frequent and you want to have access to UBER at any given hour as well as grocery stores and atms.
[QUOTE=Bearsi;2772696]...If heating isn't a thing in your airbnb I would immediatly cancel your booking and contact airbnb for a refund. The host won't give it to you but if you go to airbnb customer support and explain the situation they 99% of the time side with you and give you a credit refund towards another place...[/QUOTE]I think you should not book it in the first place if the host does not say the place offers heating in the listing. It is reasonable to cancel only if heating is listed but not available.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2772724]I think you should not book it in the first place if the host does not say the place offers heating in the listing. It is reasonable to cancel only if heating is listed but not available. [/QUOTE]
Absolutely Agree! (and ask Host if heating is not listed to confirm!) Overall, I agree don't go to SP during winter months if Heating is a priority in your life!
[QUOTE=Bearsi;2772696][b]The Grand Hyatt is in fact the only hotel I can think of that does have good heating[/b] as someone as mentioned before. Not a bad location but not great either. [/QUOTE]
I'm sure the Grand Hyatt is not the only hotel with Heated rooms so hopefully others can attest to other hotels (and list) having heated rooms. It would certainly help others who need to travel to SP either for work or vacation.
There is no bad season for the sport in SP, however there are better weeks of the year than others.
I can reconfirm that first two weeks of December is the best if you're going for newbies. Girls want to make some money for Christmas and new years eve. There are gifts to buy and nights to go party in the upcoming days. Many of them come from the interior and will not be in SP for a couple of weeks.
I met this newbie in Bomboa a Wednesday night. She agreed to go upstairs for R600, having asked R700 at first. When walking up the stairs I could not take my eyes from her legs and ass. Taking that miniskirt off and kissing her ass was incredible, not one single tattoo on the legs or back as the pros, only a small symbol in one wrist. Weak point, blow job, she only agreed with condom and she made funny faces, so we switch straight to action.
Friday she came to my hotel, R700 including her taxi and she stayed for almost two hours. I paid with no hesitation I wanted that white soft ass on my bed. Then is when she told me she was in university in SP and her family lived in a city close to Brasilia, and she was leaving for Christmas days. So it was good time to make some "graninha" (some little money) for the holidays.
She sent me pics from a classmate so we could make a "festinha" threesome. For the next trip for sure.
[QUOTE=HiddenEye;2772852]There is no bad season for the sport in SP, however there are better weeks of the year than others.
I can reconfirm that first two weeks of December is the best if you're going for newbies. Girls want to make some money for Christmas and new years eve. There are gifts to buy and nights to go party in the upcoming days. Many of them come from the interior and will not be in SP for a couple of weeks.[/QUOTE]A very interesting report H. E. Especially considering the distinct possibility that I will travel to SP early next December 2023 and stay through the 1st half of January 2024. I imagine things are now slowing down a bit at the Boates this week with less girls in attendance since it is only 4 days until Christmas. But I wonder if things will pick up the following week leading up to New Year's Eve on the last Saturday in December 2022.
Clinica Tangara posted their Christmas week hours on WhatsApp:
12/24 10 am to 5 pm.
12/25 closed.
12/26 - 12/30 normal hours.
12/31 10 am to 5 pm.
1/1 closed.
1/2 normal hours.
Has anyone checked out 2028 Bar Augusta since it is close to Renaissance Sao Paulo Hotel? I haven't seen any recent reports.
[URL]http://www.2028bar.com.br/[/URL]
Rua Augusta, 2028.
01412-000 - Cerqueira seesar.
Sao Paulo / SP.
Planning a trip to SP in '23 looking for intel.
[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2772863]A very interesting report H. E. Especially considering the distinct possibility that I will travel to SP early next December 2023 and stay through the 1st half of January 2024. I imagine things are now slowing down a bit at the Boates this week with less girls in attendance since it is only 4 days until Christmas. But I wonder if things will pick up the following week leading up to New Year's Eve on the last Saturday in December 2022.[/QUOTE]Between Christmas and New Years will be the absolute worst time to be in Brazil (actually South America). The week before Christmas should still be good but it won't pick up again until the 2nd week in January.
However, being Brazil that doesn't mean you can't still have a good time, just that there will be a considerably less number of girls working.
I am interested to know if any of the places in Sao Paulo offer as traditional Strip Club like in Bogota or Medellin. Where you can just watch a show and get a lap dance or two?
Georges.
As mentioned by HoustonPlayer, not the best weeks after Christmas but you'll still find enough pros to have fun in Sao Paulo.
What you can do is make your links during the early days of December so you'll have companion after Christmas. Sao Paulo will have action. I banged a fantastic pro in the first week of January. I mean fantastic and fair price because there were less clients. A solid 9 for sure.
Buenos Aires will be a gosth town until the end of January. Argies go in massive flood to the beaches, and much more now. World Cup after parties are still crazy.
[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2772863]A very interesting report H. E. Especially considering the distinct possibility that I will travel to SP early next December 2023 and stay through the 1st half of January 2024. I imagine things are now slowing down a bit at the Boates this week with less girls in attendance since it is only 4 days until Christmas. But I wonder if things will pick up the following week leading up to New Year's Eve on the last Saturday in December 2022.[/QUOTE]
Bomboa club, I have seen many times girls doing strip shows and lap dance. There is an area by the restaurant where some girls do shows for small groups.
I can share a few pics by PM if you want to see it.
[QUOTE=Georgest;2773009]I am interested to know if any of the places in Sao Paulo offer as traditional Strip Club like in Bogota or Medellin. Where you can just watch a show and get a lap dance or two?
Georges.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2772970]Between Christmas and New Years will be the absolute worst time to be in Brazil (actually South America). The week before Christmas should still be good but it won't pick up again until the 2nd week in January.
However, being Brazil that doesn't mean you can't still have a good time, just that there will be a considerably less number of girls working.[/QUOTE]I like the way you think H. P. I was in the AC, Philippines one time during Easter Holy Week and I still found a great little girl and her cousin to fool around with. Great times!
[QUOTE=HiddenEye;2773050]As mentioned by HoustonPlayer, not the best weeks after Christmas but you'll still find enough pros to have fun in Sao Paulo.
What you can do is make your links during the early days of December so you'll have companion after Christmas. Sao Paulo will have action. I banged a fantastic pro in the first week of January. I mean fantastic and fair price because there were less clients. A solid 9 for sure. [/QUOTE]Good advice. I have a special favorite Scandallo girl. I think I have posted about her too many times. KKK. I will probably take her somewhere nice over Christmas and after New Years I have a few other repeat worthy girls to take up the slack if needed. I agree with the idea that although there will be less girls around, the ones that are around will be very amorous just like my two Filipina cousins I mentioned above.
Normally I prefer go to SP in April / May & later in October thru November until American Thanksgiving like this year and the year before, but I do not think I will be able to go in Oct 2023 so December / January it must be or stay home and do nada. But I am getting ahead of myself. Ha Ha. My next trip is coming up in 4 months and I am really looking forward to it. I can't wait to see pretty Valerie again and meet a whole lot of sexy, new gals too. I love SP girls!
[QUOTE=HiddenEye;2773051]Bomboa club, I have seen many times girls doing strip shows and lap dance. There is an area by the restaurant where some girls do shows for small groups.
I can share a few pics by PM if you want to see it.[/QUOTE]When I was there in November, many girls were doing strip shows in the main area. I suppose, to promote themselves, but that was just one night.
[QUOTE=HiddenEye;2772852]There is no bad season for the sport in SP, however there are better weeks of the year than others.
I can reconfirm that first two weeks of December is the best if you're going for newbies. Girls want to make some money for Christmas and new years eve. There are gifts to buy and nights to go party in the upcoming days. Many of them come from the interior and will not be in SP for a couple of weeks.
I met this newbie in Bomboa a Wednesday night. She agreed to go upstairs for R600, having asked R700 at first. When walking up the stairs I could not take my eyes from her legs and ass. Taking that miniskirt off and kissing her ass was incredible, not one single tattoo on the legs or back as the pros, only a small symbol in one wrist. Weak point, blow job, she only agreed with condom and she made funny faces, so we switch straight to action.
Friday she came to my hotel, R700 including her taxi and she stayed for almost two hours. I paid with no hesitation I wanted that white soft ass on my bed. Then is when she told me she was in university in SP and her family lived in a city close to Brasilia, and she was leaving for Christmas days. So it was good time to make some "graninha" (some little money) for the holidays.
She sent me pics from a classmate so we could make a "festinha" threesome. For the next trip for sure.[/QUOTE]Another mouthwatering find from you. I will have to finally stop by Bomboa in hopes of finding her LOL. I know I know my chances are slim, but hey shooters shoot haha. Any more pics? PM is open LOL.
Yesss, correct.
I guess what brazilians call American Bar, as Bomboa, girls can do strip shows and lap dance.
[QUOTE=Nordico;2773145]When I was there in November, many girls were doing strip shows in the main area. I suppose, to promote themselves, but that was just one night.[/QUOTE]Sure, drop me a message. She sent me by what's a few pics with that lovely wardrobe.
[QUOTE=EverythingBlue;2773147]Another mouthwatering find from you. I will have to finally stop by Bomboa in hopes of finding her LOL. I know I know my chances are slim, but hey shooters shoot haha. Any more pics? PM is open LOL.[/QUOTE]
Stopped by Brooklyn Club Monday at about 10:30 PM. Was told by receptionist there were 11 girls inside. Entry is 20 Real, all consumable. All Monday Brahma and Skol cans 5 Real, the rest of the week only until 12 AM. After that beers are 11-20 real. All other drinks are 35 Real or more. Programs are 30 minutes 170 Real, 60 minutes 340 Real. Took advantage of the free look she offered and went inside. Two rooms: main room with the bar and semi-circular couches with tables, and another room with high-top tables and high chairs, both very dark, difficult to see faces. Place was dead: counted 6 girls and zero customers, so went back outside and asked receptionist why it was so dead. She said it was Monday and raining. Went to Muchachos bar, which had at least 35 girls and as many customers. 10 Real entry, all consumable, 30 minutes program115 Real, 60 minutes program 210 Real.
Went back to Brooklin Club Tuesday at same time. Went in and there were 12 women, some in the main lounge and some in the other room. I assume more girls arrive later in the evening. Quality no better than clinicas or Muchachos. Very loud music making it painful to be in the main room, so stayed mostly in the other room, where two customers were dancing with girls. Some girls came to chat with me but I was not interested. Did not like the dark and loud ambiance so had my 4 beers (drank two and gave two to a girl that chatted with me) and left. No need to go back. Recommend for those who like to drink cheap beer in a dark and noisy room and dance with semi-attractive girls.
Some of you need to brush up on your reading skills because some of you clearly misread very basic things I'm writing and as an avid reader and writer you might as well cum on my back and slap my dick because I won't stand for it.
I booked my place knowing it was cold because I had a wingman with boots on the ground relaying valuable intel like the weather so when I found the first airbnb and it clearly stated it had heating and when I tried to crank up the unit, it called me a queer and told me to freeze. The host adamantly defended his homophobic A / see Heater unit and told me I was wrong. So I cancelled and found a new place and same thing happened but at least this time when I called the host and a handy man came running as they could hear my American nationality and would be charged with human right violations if I was not taken care of. They fixed it a bit and it helped but I wasn't about to leave AGAIN so I just stuck with it and took my chances. This place had a nice duvet so wasn't so bad.
The most important thing is you DON'T want to get sick from the cold as it will really impact your game and no one wants to be with someone coughing up their lungs. Would you go with a girl who is clearly sick? I got a bit sick from mother nature's cold cock down my pipes but luckily this buck don't stop here mr president and I was able to make a full recovery in 24 hrs.
Airbnb hosts will lie or not fix things like heating, cooling, wifi, etc so my suggestion is for things like that. Cancel immediately, contact airbnb and find a new place because a good trip and a bad one is really dependent on your home base from MY EXPERIENCE.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2772724]I think you should not book it in the first place if the host does not say the place offers heating in the listing. It is reasonable to cancel only if heating is listed but not available.[/QUOTE]Hindsight is 20/20 and if we all had known things beforehand we'd do things differently I'm sure. If I had known I would never have a 12 in cock and would have to settle with only 11 ins instead I would have asked to not be born but alas here I am, struggling but striving, the embodiment of man.
[QUOTE=Bearsi;2773181]Some of you need to brush up on your reading skills because some of you clearly misread very basic things I'm writing....[/QUOTE]I can help them. haha.The word "You" in my post should be read as "One". I hope that is better.
[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2773169] Stopped by Brooklyn Club Monday, Went to Muchachos bar[/QUOTE] Thanks for posting your experience with these two clubs. It's refreshing to see a report on venues that are rarely discussed on this board. SP is full of venues but everybody including myself tend to go to the main venues and rarely venture outside my comfort zone to venues that are a distance away or not extensively reviewed / frequented by ISG members.
Hopefully on my next trip sometime in '23 I may venture to a few such venues.
Thanks.
[QUOTE=UniversalX;2772967]Has anyone checked out 2028 Bar Augusta since it is close to Renaissance Sao Paulo Hotel? I haven't seen any recent reports.
[URL]http://www.2028bar.com.br/[/URL]
Rua Augusta, 2028.
01412-000 - Cerqueira seesar.
Sao Paulo / SP.
Planning a trip to SP in '23 looking for intel.[/QUOTE]I am planning to visit SP and staying at the Renaissance 3rd week of January. I will check this club out unless someone else already have a report to share?
[QUOTE=HiddenEye;2772852]There is no bad season for the sport in SP, however there are better weeks of the year than others.[/QUOTE]I met this girl on my last visit to Bomboa during my worst trip ever to Brazil (October-November). I spent 15 days in SP and 2 in RJ. The first morning I woke up with flu which lasted one week and still after that I wasn't fully recovered. I managed to go four times to Bomboa and once to Scandallo. We drank a lot and had a dangerous ride in her car to my hotel where we drank more, ate chocolates and fucked. Bomboa is still my favorite boate.
2 posts on 2028:
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2204-Sao-Paulo-Reports&p=2513160[/URL]#post2513160.
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2204-Sao-Paulo-Reports&p=2504087&highlight=2028[/URL]#post2504087.
[QUOTE=UniversalX;2772967]Has anyone checked out 2028 Bar Augusta since it is close to Renaissance Sao Paulo Hotel? I haven't seen any recent reports.
[URL]http://www.2028bar.com.br/[/URL]
Rua Augusta, 2028.
01412-000 - Cerqueira seesar.
Sao Paulo / SP.
Planning a trip to SP in '23 looking for intel.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=TheCritic;2773244]Thanks for posting your experience with these two clubs. It's refreshing to see a report on venues that are rarely discussed on this board. SP is full of venues but everybody including myself tend to go to the main venues and rarely venture outside my comfort zone to venues that are a distance away or not extensively reviewed / frequented by ISG members.
Hopefully on my next trip sometime in '23 I may venture to a few such venues.
Thanks.[/QUOTE]Went back Thursday night about 11 PM. Christmas party, so 20 Real entry (consumable) . Three buses from Av. Ibirapuera in Moema stop 250 meters form the bar. After 12:30 AM, buses are not direct anymore to return to Moema. Had my usual house drink (vodka and enegertico, usually 10 Real but tonight 20 Real). Place was packed. More than 80 girls at midnight, so probably about a hundred including the girls in the bathroom and doing rooms. A lot of chubby ones, but also many slim. Mostly average looking, but some quite pretty. At least as many guys. Lots of customers doing rooms. There was going top be a musical program at 2 AM but I did not want to hang around that long for it. Fun place to spend an hour or two for a low price, even if you don't do a room.
Having another Christmas party tonight, with the same musical program at the same time.
Thanks! That looks like it will work well for me this trip.
[QUOTE=Nebulousity;2772877]Clinica Tangara posted their Christmas week hours on WhatsApp:
12/24 10 am to 5 pm.
12/25 closed.
12/26 - 12/30 normal hours.
12/31 10 am to 5 pm.
1/1 closed.
1/2 normal hours.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Juanjo767;2773413]2 posts on 2028:
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2204-Sao-Paulo-Reports&p=2513160[/URL]#post2513160.
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2204-Sao-Paulo-Reports&p=2504087&highlight=2028[/URL]#post2504087.[/QUOTE]OK, my oversight, Smh.
XXL & Meistro1 did mentioned 2028 Augusta Bar, listen [URL]https://youtu.be/jSpBwt4hFN8[/URL] for as long as I have been on this board, I did not think to look for posts that are almost 2 years old to date and 280 pages ago. Since I was looking for [U]recent[/U] information of at least 6 months to present day. 2-year-old reports do not indicate what may be going on present day.
Thanks for participating.
So, any recent report is welcome.
[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2773418]Went back Thursday night about 11 PM. Christmas party, so 20 Real entry (consumable) . Three buses from Av. Ibirapuera in Moema stop 250 meters form the bar.
Having another Christmas party tonight, with the same musical program at the same time.[/QUOTE]Is this Brooklyn Club or Muchachos bar you are talking about here? Had never been to either one, only Casarão. Casarão must be jammed packed full on those Christmas night parties.
[QUOTE=Bearsi;2773181]........11 ins instead.....[/QUOTE]I feel for you man, you can't monger in Asia.
Which venues are open tonight? Thinking of heading to Casarao tn.
[QUOTE=TheCane;2772503]I took my very first trip to Sao Paulo during the winter months down there. I didn't like the hotel I chose, and one reason was that it was pretty drafty and cool in the room. I just couldn't get warm enough in there. Sounds like it's a problem at hotels all over town. I decided to deal with the issue in the future by never going down there again during their winter months. I've stuck with that approach and its worked out fine.[/QUOTE]Finally, It took me concluding my last trip to SP / Rio to realize that I don't like visiting during the Brazilian winter months as well. Cold hotel rooms / Apts without heat are a deal breaker for me. If it happens to rain, which it often does during winter days and nights, it pretty much guarantees a lack of any solid amount of action at a majority of the venues. From now on when I choose to visit Brazil in the the winter, I'm headed straight to the north, northeast or amazonas where the weather never gets cold.
[QUOTE=Regex1;2773637]Which venues are open tonight? Thinking of heading to Casarao tn.[/QUOTE]It is open tonight. That block is an anomaly. Most boates and clubs on that block are open or appear to be open but without customers so far.
I do wonder how many girls are working. That reminds me something I read on GPG. There are a few funny posts on that page now.
[quote]
The other day in front of the club, a newcomer asked if he could look at the house, the security guard said: "Cross the street and look from there, then you can see everything".
[/quote]
I walked thru Ibirapuera Park earlier. There were a lot of people out in the park. But it was pretty dead outside when I walked east to Itaim Bibi, almost all stores were closed, my plan be, and see all closed. The only popular place open is Bar e Lanches Estado in Republica that was where I went. This place almost never close and food is good.
[QUOTE=UniversalX;2773450]OK, my oversight, Smh.
XXL & Meistro1 did mentioned 2028 Augusta Bar, listen [URL]https://youtu.be/jSpBwt4hFN8[/URL] for as long as I have been on this board, I did not think to look for posts that are almost 2 years old to date and 280 pages ago. Since I was looking for [U]recent[/U] information of at least 6 months to present day. 2-year-old reports do not indicate what may be going on present day.
Thanks for participating.
So, any recent report is welcome.[/QUOTE]Yeah I remember posting something about an "Augusta Bar". That was when many Covid restrictions were still in place. Casarao was officially closed remember? Well, not quite, for it turned out the Augusta Bar was none other than Casarao opening surreptitiously during daytime. The premises at the back were closed, only the main room now accommodating the bar and the dance floor was open. From there a staircase led to the other building (the "hotel") where the short time rooms are situated (so there was no need to go out onto the street with the girl to session).
Only 9 months later, during my latest stay in SP, did it dawn on me Casarao was in fact what I had first known as the Augusta Bar.
[QUOTE=XXL;2773804]Yeah I remember posting something about an "Augusta Bar". That was when many Covid restrictions were still in place. Casarao was officially closed remember? Well, not quite, for it turned out the Augusta Bar was none other than Casarao opening surreptitiously during daytime. The premises at the back were closed, only the main room now accommodating the bar and the dance floor was open. From there a staircase led to the other building (the "hotel") where the short time rooms are situated (so there was no need to go out onto the street with the girl to session).
Only 9 months later, during my latest stay in SP, did it dawn on me Casarao was in fact what I had first known as the Augusta Bar.[/QUOTE]Correct, 2028 Bar Augusta is a different club 5 min walk to Renaissance Sao Paulo Hotel. Casarao American Bar, longer walking distance but in opposite direction.
Click on Google: [URL=https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Renaissance+S%C3%A3o+Paulo+Hotel+-+Alameda+Santos+-+Jardim+Paulista,+S%C3%A3o+Paulo+-+State+of+S%C3%A3o+Paulo,+Brazil/2028+Bar+augusta+-+Augusta+Street+-+Cerqueira+C%C3%A9sar,+S%C3%A3o+Paulo+-+State+of+S%C3%A3o+Paulo,+Brazil/Casar%C3%A3o+Augusta+-+R.+Augusta,+791+-+Consola%C3%A7%C3%A3o,+S%C3%A3o+Paulo+-+SP,+01305-100,+Brazil/@-23.5562573,-46.6600529,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m20!4m19!1m5!1m1!1s0x94ce59c89e6dca17:0xb62609d26a3a7180!2m2!1d-46.6619557!2d-23.5589027!1m5!1m1!1s0x94ce59dd6ee1faf9:0x9e30b1d2d1c727c2!2m2!1d-46.6623236!2d-23.5600071!1m5!1m1!1s0x94ce583500e83751:0xe6f059952039d344!2m2!1d-46.6534129!2d-23.5525301!3e2]MAP[/URL]
I was supposed to arrive Christmas day but my flight leaving Christmas Evening was canceled. It is now scheduled for arrival on the 27th. So, with no plans I had some time to research. It appears that there were a lot of options for fun girls today there? I think I read a report that some of the clinics were open and there were a lot of advertisements? Did anyone partake of the fun?
I will be staying the first couple of nights in Santo Andre to visit a girlfriend. The Hilton Garden Inn there is half the points of the ones in Itaim and Jardins. Has anyone stayed there?
Based on advertisements there fun can be had locally? Hopefully my flight will make it tomorrow and I will be able to report.
Arriving in SP tomorrow and looking forward to checking out the places mentioned by members here. Will start out with Scandallo and work down LOL.
It sounds like a fun and exciting night, sex and chocolate hahaha. If you let me ask, was it the chocolate from the fridge of the room or you bought it in a supermarket?
Many girls have sport cars and sometimes they prefer to drive themselves instead of taking a taxi. It was part of the deal with a brunette from Cafe Photo. "you're going to save the taxi" she suggested.
I was not thinking about the price of the taxi tbh. She was tall and had a great ass.
A couple of days later, she arrived with her friend for a very challenging shoot, I say challenging because they had many more ideas to pose than I was thinking of.
Both arrived driving their cars. These girls know how to spend their money in good fashion.
Note: See the platform heels of one of them so you can check is the same girl. Model releases available, so no worries, you can ask anything about this production.
[QUOTE=Nordico;2773395]I met this girl on my last visit to Bomboa during my worst trip ever to Brazil (October-November). I spent 15 days in SP and 2 in RJ. The first morning I woke up with flu which lasted one week and still after that I wasn't fully recovered. I managed to go four times to Bomboa and once to Scandallo. We drank a lot and had a dangerous ride in her car to my hotel where we drank more, ate chocolates and fucked. Bomboa is still my favorite boate.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=HiddenEye;2774247]It sounds like a fun and exciting night, sex and chocolate hahaha. If you let me ask, was it the chocolate from the fridge of the room or you bought it in a supermarket?
Many girls have sport cars and sometimes they prefer to drive themselves instead of taking a taxi. It was part of the deal with a brunette from Cafe Photo. "you're going to save the taxi" she suggested.[/QUOTE]Actually I bought the chocolate in my local Lindt store. Same thing with wine and champagne. Wine is very expensive in Brazil. More important than feeding the girls with chocolate is having a friendly relationship with the most important person in a hotel, which is the cleaning lady. Some chocolate helps with that.
Sports cars are not very common in São Paulo and definitely not the Bomboa girls have them. Looks more like a Jeepy.
I arrived in Sao Paulo yesterday and visited Enjoy Spa ([URL]https://enjoyspa.com.br[/URL]) around 4:30 PM. The spa has favorable reviews on gpguia, which is why I chose it break my Brazilian Cherry There was a lady at the reception who apparently runs the place with her boyfriend. Her English is early as non-existent as my Portuguese so we had to use Google Translate. There were three ladies working, of which only one named Luiza was available at the time. I decided to pull the trigger as the other two would not be available for a while.
Luiza's from Rio, my guess is early thirties with an average body and face. In the room she asked me to take a shower after which I sat in a chair where she gave me a solid BBJ and BLS with solid technique and good eye contact. I had to ask her to slow a couple of times, not wanting to pop before I was balls deep in her. She does kiss with tongue but I wouldn't call it DFK by any means, she got on top and then we switched to missionary where I came not too long after. Another quick shower and then some chit chat using google translate before I asked her for another blow job to get ye hard which lasted for about 5 minutes before I put on a rubber and this time pounded her in missionary for a good 15 minutes which she took like a champ, before I finished. She was very sweet and asked me if I enjoyed my time with her. Enjoy I did LOL. Total cost was R250 for 1 hour. I didn't tip, would like to know if it's standard to tip in SP or only warranted if the service is really good.
The lady at the reception told me that it was slow yesterday on account of it being the day after Christmas. I got on their WhatsApp and their status update shows there are 7 girls working today. I'm going to visit one of the other Clinica's that are recommended in ISG and gpguia. If anyone has a recommendation of girls at specific places please share. I am in contact with a few girls from SA so let's see how that goes, again any recommendations would be appreciated as I'm looking for an overnight GFE type. I do plan on visiting some of the clubs, will go to Scandallo at least once while in SP to see if the reality (for me) lives up to the hype. I do think that a R500 entry fee with R1500-R2500 for an overnight with exit fee is expensive but based on reviews of some respected board members I may take the plunge.
Yes indeed, chocolate works very well with assistants, secretaries and paper work LOL.
Antho, the tall brunette drove us in the black SUV, her friend drove a tuned Gol VW (brazilian made) I could not make a video of the other car, she got few seconds later when we were already sneaking into the house.
[QUOTE=Nordico;2774448]Actually I bought the chocolate in my local Lindt store. Same thing with wine and champagne. Wine is very expensive in Brazil. More important than feeding the girls with chocolate is having a friendly relationship with the most important person in a hotel, which is the cleaning lady. Some chocolate helps with that.
Sports cars are not very common in So Paulo and definitely not the Bomboa girls have them. Looks more like a Jeepy.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Rogerrules;2774509] I do think that a R500 entry fee [/QUOTE][B]Just remember some portion of the R500 entry fee is for the consumption of food and or drinks. [/B]
When I went (after 7 PM) it was 500 R Entry of which 300 R was for consumption which mean the real entry portion is 200 R. Try to spend all of your food or drinks consumption amount. Try not to give the "House" extra revenue. [U]Make sure you verify the consumption amount with the Front Desk[/U] when you enter and track / verify your food and or drink amounts when you order as you draw down the available consumption amount. Also, if you lose track of your available consumption ask your server / bartender or the front desk and they can tell you your remaining consumption balance so you can determine your burn rate and determine if you have to pay out extra funds if you go over your consumption amount.
Checked this place out last night, only saw 3 girls. Price was about $38 USD but I didn't take anyone upstairs. Anyone been to the other houses in Pinheiros?
I wanted to give Enjoy Spa a second shot and was on their WhatsApp notification group and supposedly the following were working: Amanda, Renata, Geovana, Angel, Yara, Rosa, Ellen, Jade. Suellen, and Luisa. Unfortunately I had to work unexpectedly and could not get out until the evening. Of the listed ladies, Amanda has the best reviews on gpguia and as luck would have it, she was not available when I got to the Spa. Yara, Angel and another lady were presented. None of the ladies got my heart to skip a beat but I would have been happy to take a chance with at least 2 of the 3. I had my Einstein moment and let the receptionist make the pick with the a request to choose the one that provided the best surface. Long story short I won't make that mistake again.
Of the three girls, one was a petite redhead, whilst not that pretty she definitely piqued my interest, the other was a brunette with curly hair who appeared to have good sexual energy, and the third was Yara who in my eyes was the least attractive and about whom I recalled reading a not too flattering review on gpguia. As luck would have it the receptionist picked picked Yara, even though I was under the impression that she was sending the redhead. Live and learn.
Yara has a below average face, with a solid spinner body, 30 years old with perky tits and stands at about 5'7". We took our respective showers and conversed in Spanish (limited in her case) as that was the common language that we could both speak. It was clear from the start that kissing let alone DFK was not on the menu so things progressed to a BBJ. Her technique was very good and I have to say that her BJ skills including deepthroat is better than average. Ten minutes in, I asked to go down her as she did have a nice Brazilian waxed pussy that smelled rather nice. Now either I've really perfected my cunnilingus skills or she is an Oscar caliber actress as she tapped out after 3 minutes claiming that it was too much and she was too sensitive there. Frankly I just don't think I'm that good She put the rubber on and we kicked off the action in missionary, I didn't even try kissing as the reluctance was pretty obvious. There was a fair amount of fake moaning and around the 7-8 minute mark she said she wanted to change positions. We switched to doggy, in less than 5 minutes she said it was too much for her at which point I asked her to finish me off with a BJ. She spent another 5 minutes on the BJ before stating that her jaw was tired, I had already starting losing my interest while we were having sex and at this point I already had a limp dick LOL. Not wanting to continue, I thanked her for her efforts and called the session.
I had booked the session for the hour (R250) but did share my experience with the receptionist who only charged me R200. I understand it's not an easy job having to spread your legs for dudes that you may not feel any attraction towards for R100-150 an hour so I have to take this experience with a grain of salt. It's still early during my trip to Brazil, but so far I'm not impressed. I do have to say that while waiting for return Uber I saw a number of cute ladies that I would love to get to know intimately. Nevertheless, I don't think I'll be returning to Enjoy Spa.