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[QUOTE=Xpartan;2931856]Who are going to vote for Kamala?

1. Democrats.

2. Left-leaning independents.

3. Other independents and maybe 1% of Republicans who realize what a disaster the second Trump's coming could become.

Who won't vote for Kamala?

1. 99% of Republicans.

2. Centrists and right-leaning independents who might not like Trump, but who're looking for a charisma in their candidate -- Kamala has none.

I'm afraid the Electoral College system might favor the second group. It would be like Hillary V. 2.

And of course, there are folks who'll stay home due to the lack of enthusiasm for either candidate.

Someone once said that FDR would've never become president if television was widely available at the time because Americans wouldn't have voted for a man in a wheelchair.

Kamala is like a man in a wheelchair. She's practically invisible, and her voice tends to tremble sometimes when she's nervous. Hillary at least didn't have these predicaments.[/QUOTE]All good points, Xpartan. In the general election Kamala will have the support of the hard core left and everybody who hates Trump. But is that enough to win the election? I don't think so, but we shall see. Meanwhile Trump has the solid backing of 90% of the Republican party, but I do not think that is enough to win the election either. Thus, the honest polls are indicating that this election will be decided by the independents and who they decide to vote for. "Fasten your seat belts. It's going to be a bumpy night. " [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84niZwqbYjY&t=1s[/URL].

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2931935]Only now am I hearing NBC's polling guru Steve Kornacki breaking his silence and ranks with the rest of typically pro Repub Mainstream Media by pointing out that "Gee, after spinning everything "wonderful" for Trump and "terrible" for Biden, the polls have simply not gone sour for Biden. Trump is still only 2 points ahead of Biden at thr national level, 47 to 45, and well within a normal +/-MoE in the battleground states that matter. And, ya' know, it is so early. There was plenty of time for those poll numbers to flip before election. Not that poll numbers matter very much to an election outcome anyway. ".

Of course, this line of messaging only comes now that MSM has terrified Dem donors and voters enough for them to make hysterical calls to their state and local representative, begging them to say something even more terrifying to drag Biden's poll numbers down further. Which wasn't really happening anyway.

Lolol. Typical pro Repub MSM doing what it does best.[/QUOTE]You mean this is Pro-Republican? Kornaki was on Rachel Mad Cow Maddow. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7mypX_1xOk[/URL].

Kornaki like Matt Taibbi and Bill Maher is a straight shooter. They tell the truth when Dems fuck up. You hate them because you want the media to be completely biased in your favor. There should be nothing but rainbow farts and unicorns.

And I do not get what you are moaning about. Shit, the "battleground" states he listed are all polling for Trump save for maybe Arizona. Recent polls have shown the true "battleground" states to be Minnesota, NJ, Virginia, and NH, and he lists those in solid blue. CNN already has Trump at 270+ Kornaki is on your team and on MSNBC, but you are so screwed in the head, you think he plays red.

And this whole 47 to 45 or 47 to 46 crap completely skews things because of California which is not in play. Hell, illegals will vote in California and Trump will lose by 5 million+ votes there. That is a given and it skews the real picture. Trump was NEVER ahead of the Dems in 2020. You and the lame steam Dem media make it sound like it is a 1% thing when it is a 30 to 50% swing in the casinos. If it were just one in a hundred Americans having to change their minds, Biden would still be in the race. The polls show a landslide for Republicans now and that is why Biden had to go.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2931902]Because, despite Biden's stuttering issue and the two brain aneurysms in the late 1980's that now in old age manifests itself with motor skill problems in his speech and on his body and gait, nothing is wrong with his Cognitive Acuity, his ability to fully comprehend what he is hearing, reading and to make presidential decisions accordingly.

There was never any "cover up" in that regard.

And even if totally flat-lined, his being a Dem means he will continue to be a better president with better results than any Repub ever, especially Trump.

I do think he should resign and make Harris president so she can run as a true incumbrnt.

However, a big, big problem with doing that is I believe she will then need at least some Repub votes in Congress to get her VP choice approved. And that means they will obstruct and delay on and on, leaving it to, yep, you guessed it, ChristoFacist Mike to be #1 next in line for the Oval Office. Lolol. Yes, Biden is smart and Cognitively Competent enough to know that about the Repub Party, too.

That issue is avoided if she merely names her VP choice and gets the required 2/3 delegate votes at the convention. Preferably on the first ballot.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/biden-endorses-kamala-to-ride-the-bomb-down-instead-of-him/[/URL]

I see you sure do make a lot of spelling errors, and you're one of those lame ass posters that try to bash other people when they make a spelling error on a hooker forum.

What's wrong? Did you go to those shitty public schools in California?

[QUOTE=TheCane;2931981]Already coming up with the "rigged" excuse for when you lose! I'll tell you what. When you do lose? Show your sorry asses up at the Capitol again and see what happens. Defenders of American democracy will be waiting to repel your treachery and treason![/QUOTE]And all the smart money will be on the red team with all the guns.

[URL]https://www.thetrace.org/2023/03/guns-america-data-atf-total/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.theverge.com/2024/7/19/24201879/mark-zuckerberg-trump-rally-shooting-fist-pump-badass[/URL]

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2931995]Yeah sure, Kamala baby IS the chosen heir and most likely candidate, but we shall see how that works out for the Dems. After all she was the DEI VP candidate in 2020. She has lower approval numbers than Biden, she has never won a primary or caucus, and she is lousy on the stump. I am looking forward to watching her defend the Biden / Harris record of failure and mediocrity. Specifically, I am looking forward to her explaining why she has been AWOL on her one VP assignment as the border queen. So, I am also really looking forward to her debates with President Trump.

Her campaign for president is going to be very dirty focusing on 2 issues, a woman's "right" to abortion up to and including the moment immediately preceding birth, and Trump is Hitler, all the while trying to downplay and run away from the top issues that concern most Americans, including woman, namely the economy stupid (inflation: less purchasing power (groceries, gasoline, car insurance, home prices, rental prices) for working people and the decline of real wages), the open border, runaway crime in Democrat controlled cities, 2 wars, DEI, and woke indoctrination in our universities and schools.

Meanwhile there are at least 5,000 Hamas sympathizers and nihilists planning to descend on Chicago and cause a lot of trouble. It may come to nothing, but it might very well turn into a disaster for the Dems like it was in '68. Remember poor Hubert Humphrey. He did not have a chance after the Chicago '68 convention. This is the next political show I am most looking forward to watching. I hope I am not disappointed.[/QUOTE]I can see the the roof of the United Center from the living room of my 60th FL penthouse a few miles west (Wrigley Field a couple miles north).

Any chaos will be somewhat visible, I will have to make sure to be in Chicago and buy some good binoculars.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2931995]Yeah sure, Kamala baby IS the chosen heir and most likely candidate, but we shall see how that works out for the Dems. After all she was the DEI VP candidate in 2020. She has lower approval numbers than Biden, she has never won a primary or caucus, and she is lousy on the stump. I am looking forward to watching her defend the Biden / Harris record of failure and mediocrity. Specifically, I am looking forward to her explaining why she has been AWOL on her one VP assignment as the border queen. So, I am also really looking forward to her debates with President Trump.

Her campaign for president is going to be very dirty focusing on 2 issues, a woman's "right" to abortion up to and including the moment immediately preceding birth, and Trump is Hitler, all the while trying to downplay and run away from the top issues that concern most Americans, including woman, namely the economy stupid (inflation: less purchasing power (groceries, gasoline, car insurance, home prices, rental prices) for working people and the decline of real wages), the open border, runaway crime in Democrat controlled cities, 2 wars, DEI, and woke indoctrination in our universities and schools.

Meanwhile there are at least 5,000 Hamas sympathizers and nihilists planning to descend on Chicago and cause a lot of trouble. It may come to nothing, but it might very well turn into a disaster for the Dems like it was in '68. Remember poor Hubert Humphrey. He did not have a chance after the Chicago '68 convention. This is the next political show I am most looking forward to watching. I hope I am not disappointed.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.breitbart.com/crime/2024/07/20/police-attacker-yells-fck-your-baby-and-shoots-infant-in-front-of-parents-in-democrat-run-philadelphia/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR2rYhluHxObBw-nZf0tbJ51iSsjcts57lYxYdVIERFoKom1IUV6D8a-Rh0_aem_TYz0XKFZJQgSbU37ks4fqw[/URL]

[URL]https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/2923408/phillys-soros-funded-district-attorney-deceived-court-to-get-murderer-off-death-row/[/URL]

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We have not seen Dementis Biden for a while now? Weird that letter -- why not a quick appearance?

Or maybe he is alive but does not know he quit? Would be easy to get him to sign anything -- Where are You Dementia Joe?

Just saying.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2931842][b]Orange is the New Black [/b]

Trump more ganster than Harris and Obama combined. Harris also 50% Indian ... [/QUOTE]

YES! You're Correct! on both accounts. [b]He certainly is orange.[/b] And he certainly is a gangster! Don't forgot criminal and felon!

[QUOTE=Elvis 2008;2931853]Yes, by all means, let us not forget about the thousands of women Kamala jailed for smoking pot while admitting to smoking it herself. In fact, she was so inspiring to women, she got less than 1% of the Democratic vote in primaries and not one delegate. I do not think she is a shoo in to win the nomination. While the Clintons endorse her, the Obamas do not. All she does well is suck dick and kiss ass. I never thought of Obama as a DEI candidate, but that is all Kamala has going for her. [/QUOTE]

Funny you mention DEI (as you parrot, the latest right-wing FOXY Muse, talking point), as it seems, with a traitor, treasonist , insurrectionist, criminal, felon and pussy-grabber sex offender, as your presumptive nominee, Trump is more DEI than you think. (...kkkk!)

[QUOTE=Elvis 2008;2931882]Yeah, he quit instead. How noble! And why did he quit again if he was going to give Trump such a beat down?

Shit, the only strategy you [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue] had was this lawfare campaign to distract from the fact that Biden was so old. And now this assassination attempt, while not a conspiracy to shoot Trump, was at this point purposeful negligence. Biden was such a shit candidate that his administration was perfectly happy to see assassins fire away at Trump or RFK Jr. That is how fucked in the head they were.

As for women, soy boy, you do not seem to get that women prefer male leaders over female ones. Yes, studies show that to be true, and here is an example of that in real life [URL]https://twitter.com/Rich_Cooper/status/1815057012222259458[/URL]

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Nothing says Elvis 2008, [u][b][i]"potty mouth"[/i][/b][/u], quite like [b]"ISG Administration Blue"![/b] (...kkkk!)

[QUOTE=Elvis 2008;2931853] Yeah, nothing says beatdown more than quitting. Biden is a putz. I hope we learn how much he got paid off to step down. Hell, Elon Musk tweeted he was told to the minute when Biden was going to step down. Biden was a fucking parasite. That he is all he ever was and all he ever would be.[/QUOTE]

Put simply, President Joe Biden, put the country above his own personal self-aggrandizing, self-absorbed and selfish ego. Unlike Trump who cares nothing for the country and is willing to tear it apart and watch it burn, for his own selfish gratification and personal gains.

I think, President Joe Biden, was the Trump beatdown, I was looking forward to. However, if Veep K.H. is the next batter up, it should still prove very interesting.

[i]"[b]Men or Women: Whos the Better Leader?[/b] [u] Americans believe women have the right stuff to be political leaders.[/u] When it comes to honesty, intelligence and a handful of other character traits they value highly in leaders, the public rates women superior to men, according to a new nationwide Pew Research Center Social and Demographic Trends survey. " [URL]https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2008/08/25/men-or-women-whos-the-better-leader/[/URL][/i]

As the resident conspiracist, INCEL and misogynist you would think that about women. Many studies, think women make better leaders than men. But contrary to your arcane, JD Vance "Hillbilly Elegy" worldviews on women and women rights, your wrong again. And hopefully women may yet prove you wrong at the polls.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2932085]Nothing says Elvis 2008, "potty mouth" quite like "ISG Administration Blue"!(...kkkk!)[/QUOTE]LOL. I have been using the term Democratic douche for over a year and not been censored. Now some new clown comes on here and blanks it out. If you do not know the administrators on this site run blue, you have been smoking what Tooms does. Or maybe the administrator was traumatized by Biden's withdrawal and needed a whipping post. If that is the case, I am glad he feels better after employing a favorite leftoid tactic, censorship.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2932085]Put simply, President Joe Biden, put the country above his own personal self-aggrandizing, self-absorbed and selfish ego. Unlike Trump who cares nothing for the country and is willing to tear it apart and watch it burn, for his own selfish gratification and personal gains.[/QUOTE]Yes, and nothing says no self-interest better than being president while demented, charging into your political opponent's house with a SWAT team, arresting and trying your political opponent, and being negligent when your opponent has an assassination attempt. Shit, this was right out of the Putin / Hitler playbook.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2932085]I think, President Joe Biden, was the Trump beatdown[/QUOTE]Oh yeah, and his odds were at 10%. Weren't you predicting Biden would win when he could not even stand up? I would like to see him make a public statement but he has been tied up in his Corvette by his aides.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2932085]I was looking forward to. However, if Veep K.H. is the next batter up, it should still prove very interesting.[/QUOTE]And you still do not get why she is the nominee. If the Democratic nominee is anyone other than Harris, all the donor money raised in Biden's name would have to be sent back to the donors.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2932085]Men or Women: Whos the Better Leader? Americans believe women have the right stuff to be political leaders. When it comes to honesty, intelligence and a handful of other character traits they value highly in leaders, the public rates women superior to men, according to a new nationwide Pew Research Center Social and Demographic Trends survey. "

As the resident conspiracist, INCEL and misogynist you would think that about women. Many studies, think women make better leaders than men. But contrary to your arcane, JD Vance "Hillbilly Elegy" worldviews on women and women rights, your wrong again. And hopefully women may yet prove you wrong at the polls.[/QUOTE]LOL. I don't think you even read your DEI fluff pieces. This is in the second paragraph, "Nevertheless, a mere 6% of respondents in this survey of 2,250 adults say that, overall, women make better political leaders than men. About one-in-five (21%) say men make the better leaders, while the vast majority 69% say men and women make equally good leaders. ".

Only a DEI poll would put in the copout phrase both sexes are equal and even with that men beat women by 3:1.

It is funny how you Democratic douches say that white supremacy is the #1 problem in America and a black woman is chosen to run. It is amazing someone this capable could not win an elected nomination. / sarc.

The truth is no one is going to admit they are not going to vote for Kamala because she is black or a woman, but you would be foolish to think those people do not exist. That is why the pundits and Democratic party leaders including a powerful black Democrat endorsed Biden in 2020. The Dems needed a white male to challenge Trump.

And even with Obama, people seemed to forget he is half-white and raised by a white family. Oops is that not PC to say even though it is the truth? I cannot make up my mind anymore what is okay and what is not. If America is so racist and sexist, Kamala does not have a chance. If it is not, then why do you Democrats keep bringing it up?

By your own idiotic DEI poll, Kamala is going to lose because Americans prefer male leaders.

And today of all days was the worst day to bring up female leadership. The female director of the SS was getting grilled by all races and sexes of Congressmen. As a former SS agent said, DEI with the SS means DIE.

In fact, it is the most sexist thing in the world to say women prefer female leaders when they don't or say women are pro-abortion when a lot are not, but that is part of being a Soy Boy isn't it? Saying you respect women so much when you do not even fucking listen to them.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2932034][URL]https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/biden-endorses-kamala-to-ride-the-bomb-down-instead-of-him/[/URL]

I see you sure do make a lot of spelling errors, and you're one of those lame ass posters that try to bash other people when they make a spelling error on a hooker forum.

What's wrong? Did you go to those shitty public schools in California?[/QUOTE]My specialty is not about correcting spelling errors. I don't even remember the last time I did that here.

My specialty is pointing out factual errors. Such as "Trump had the greatest economy in history before the China virus happened out-of-blue, which nobody could have predicted. ".

I count at least 3 factual errors, lies, real whoppers, in just that one favorite Trump / Repub assertion.

BTW, how do you spell "inominus" (anonymous), "oranges" (origins) or "covfefe" (who the fuck knows) anyway?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2932033]You mean this is Pro-Republican? Kornaki was on Rachel Mad Cow Maddow. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7mypX_1xOk[/URL].

Kornaki like Matt Taibbi and Bill Maher is a straight shooter. They tell the truth when Dems fuck up. You hate them because you want the media to be completely biased in your favor. There should be nothing but rainbow farts and unicorns.

And I do not get what you are moaning about. Shit, the "battleground" states he listed are all polling for Trump save for maybe Arizona. Recent polls have shown the true "battleground" states to be Minnesota, NJ, Virginia, and NH, and he lists those in solid blue. CNN already has Trump at 270+ Kornaki is on your team and on MSNBC, but you are so screwed in the head, you think he plays red.

And this whole 47 to 45 or 47 to 46 crap completely skews things because of California which is not in play. Hell, illegals will vote in California and Trump will lose by 5 million+ votes there. That is a given and it skews the real picture. Trump was NEVER ahead of the Dems in 2020. You and the lame steam Dem media make it sound like it is a 1% thing when it is a 30 to 50% swing in the casinos. If it were just one in a hundred Americans having to change their minds, Biden would still be in the race. The polls show a landslide for Republicans now and that is why Biden had to go.[/QUOTE]LOL. Yes, that link will do.

After spending months insisting that Biden's poll numbers show his campaign is "doomed" and that even a generic Dem, anyone else, would do better against Trump in the polls, pro Repub Mainstream Media now has their poll gurus admitting that the very next likely Dem candidate, Harris, is in fact not faring any better vs Trump in the polls than Biden did. And, oh BTW, it isn't as though the difference is all that critical anyway.

But only after their pro Repub spin and hysteria finally terrified Dem voters and donors into insisting the Dems remove the truly critical incumbent advantage from their side.

Now it is time for them to work very hard to remove another critical advantage, an uncontested nomination, from the Dem side so they can achieve a repeat of the 1980 Carter to Reagan and the 2016 Clinton to Trump outcome.

As usual, your link proved my point.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2932041]I can see the the roof of the United Center from the living room of my 60th FL penthouse a few miles west (Wrigley Field a couple miles north).

Any chaos will be somewhat visible, I will have to make sure to be in Chicago and buy some good binoculars.[/QUOTE]I need to get a GoPro and record the fun in person.

Any way to upload videos here or a link to a cloud site for all of your viewing pleasure?

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2932053]We have not seen Dementis Biden for a while now? Weird that letter -- why not a quick appearance?

Or maybe he is alive but does not know he quit? Would be easy to get him to sign anything -- Where are You Dementia Joe?

Just saying.[/QUOTE]This was just a few hours ago:

[URL]https://youtu.be/W0etSyKFS0M?si=2kRk4b31T8isp1Op[/URL]

As usual, he sounds more lucid, better informed, more detail-oriented, certainly more truthful and fact-based than any Repub, most especially more that Donald Trump.

You know Biden has been in quarantine with Trump's Pandemic Covid, right?

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2932053]We have not seen Dementis Biden for a while now? Weird that letter -- why not a quick appearance?

Or maybe he is alive but does not know he quit? Would be easy to get him to sign anything -- Where are You Dementia Joe?

Just saying.[/QUOTE]Pure unabated hatred. So typical for Trump cult members.

[B]Biden Is Getting Older. Trump Is Losing His Mind.[/B]

[URL]https://www.thebulwark.com/p/biden-getting-older-trump-losing-mind[/URL]

[B]Our Diagnostic Impression of Trump is Probable Dementia: For Licensed Professionals Only [/B] (signed by 2,665 mental health professionals).

[URL]https://www.change.org/p/our-diagnostic-impression-of-trump-is-probable-dementia-for-licensed-professionals-only[/URL]

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2932041]I can see the the roof of the United Center from the living room of my 60th FL penthouse a few miles west (Wrigley Field a couple miles north).

Any chaos will be somewhat visible, I will have to make sure to be in Chicago and buy some good binoculars.[/QUOTE]I was born and raised in Chicago. It was always a tough town, but a lot has changed ie gotten a lot worse since I left Chi Town for warmer weather in '95. Keep your eyes open at all times if you decide to venture out where the action is taking place. Grant Park, me thinks, if history repeats itself.

P.S. I did not see any demonstrators on the nightly news broadcasts of the Milwaukee convention. What happened? Did the cops keep the crazies away from the convention center? Or did they just not show up?

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2932039]And all the smart money will be on the red team with all the guns.

[URL]https://www.thetrace.org/2023/03/guns-america-data-atf-total/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.theverge.com/2024/7/19/24201879/mark-zuckerberg-trump-rally-shooting-fist-pump-badass[/URL][/QUOTE]The "red team" up against law enforcement waiting with 30,000 long guns! My money is on the preservation of American democracy. The madness of "Trumpism" this too shall pass. Like the stinky turd that it is!

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2932152]I need to get a GoPro and record the fun in person.

Any way to upload videos here or a link to a cloud site for all of your viewing pleasure?[/QUOTE]The YUGE amount of protesters outside of it regularly are hilarious, they should easily find their way to the United Center several blocks west.

In late August LMAO, could make for some interesting utube material LOLOLOLOL.

Stay Tuned Allahu Akbar.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2932155]This was just a few hours ago:

[URL]https://youtu.be/W0etSyKFS0M?si=2kRk4b31T8isp1Op[/URL]

As usual, he sounds more lucid, better informed, more detail-oriented, certainly more truthful and fact-based than any Repub, most especially more that Donald Trump.

You know Biden has been in quarantine with Trump's Pandemic Covid, right?[/QUOTE]LOL-- Trump's Covid-- - LOL-Funny how that Great Sounding Dementia Biden could not be put on a screen-- But of course the whitehouse has no budget for that-Just saying LOL-- Don't forget to Wear Your Mask-- Get That New Booster too!

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2932150]LOL. Yes, that link will do.

After spending months insisting that Biden's poll numbers show his campaign is "doomed" and that even a generic Dem, anyone else, would do better against Trump in the polls, pro Repub Mainstream Media now has their poll gurus admitting that the very next likely Dem candidate, Harris, is in fact not faring any better vs Trump in the polls than Biden did. And, oh BTW, it isn't as though the difference is all that critical anyway.

As usual, your link proved my point.[/QUOTE]Loony Tooms, and you think the Dems do not do their own polling? LOL. The Dems own polling data was leaked to [URL]Pluck.com[/URL] two weeks ago, and THAT polling dats was terrifying to Dems.

The Dem v Republican numbers often miss the point. You have to add in the 3rd party candidates. In the Dems only polling data, Trump wins 338 electoral votes. In the Dems polling data, all the supposed swing states went to Trump, and they showed that the real swing states are the four that I mentioned and that New Mexico and even Colorado are in play.

And in this poll for the first time Biden was actually polling behind Kamala, and the Dems own polling shows what a debacle the debate showing really was. It was this data, the Dems own polling data, that drove Biden out of the race.

That data is all here. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJ2BgRwNUHk[/URL].

So as usual, your crying that the lamestream media is against you is bunk. They are not reporting how bad things are for you Dems in your own polling. The Dems only polling shows a landslide for Trump, and the leftist media is not saying that. They are on your side.

And while everyone is holding hands playing nice at the moment with Kamala, the delegates are not bound to her. The Dems will be conducting their own polling and right now, there is no one beating Trump. I have listened to serious pundits say the reason the Obamas have not endorsed Kamala is they have a celebrity candidate in mind and the name thrown out there, and this is a hoot, is none other than the actor the Rock.

And I keep telling you the casino odds are a better measure of telling the odds than any polls. Kamala has about an 80% chance of winning the Democratic nomination and about a 27% chance of winning the election in the latest casino odds, and all you dumb Dems in your predicting Biden would win are all wet right now.

And I keep coming back to the money thing. Kamala getting access to the money Biden raised is no slam dunk. Republicans will sue to keep that money from being released, and there is sound legal logic in putting a hold on that money. If that case is filed in Judge Reed O'Connor's district in Texas, that hold is damned near guaranteed. That the Dems will eventually have access to that money is very likely but it probably will be too late for this election.

So Kamala raising all this money is not because of enthusiasm. It is because the big money Dems are giving out of desperation. Kamala had no money to work with and whatever enthusiasm she brings, it is in comparison to Biden. At least the Dems have a candidate now who can walk and talk. That nobody voted for her now is almost beside the point, but just wait a few months.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2932270]The "red team" up against law enforcement waiting with 30,000 long guns! My money is on the preservation of American democracy. The madness of "Trumpism" this too shall pass. Like the stinky turd that it is![/QUOTE]You mean the "Democracy" where the person getting the most votes is kicked out?

As AH pointed out, there were no protestors in Milwaukee. Hell, that convention was as Kum ba ya as it comes.

I am glad you are counting on LE after the debacle in Trump's attempted assassination. I have no doubt the LE negligence with the Trump assassination was planned. It is conspiracy to say Biden arranged for people to shoot at RFK JR and Trump. It is not to conspiracy at all to say he wanted it.

Biden is still head of all LE. You think this vindictive MF is going to let there be a peaceful convention after being stabbed in the back and pushed out the door? Ha! The only person in charge fucking hates the people at the convention. As it stands now, there will be a huge leadership void. And the Chicago police are famous for turning a blind eye at crime.

The largest Muslim contingent in the USA is in Dearborn, MI, a short drive from Chicago. I suspect busses and busses of people being shipped in from there.

Yeah, I am sure Biden is going to bring in those five foot nothing women who cannot holster their guns to protect the delegates.

Would anyone even care if the pro-Palestinian mobs took over the Democratic convention? Isn't all the Democrats and their voting just for show now anyway?

[QUOTE=TheCane;2932270]The "red team" up against law enforcement waiting with 30,000 long guns! My money is on the preservation of American democracy. The madness of "Trumpism" this too shall pass. Like the stinky turd that it is![/QUOTE][URL]https://www.thetrace.org/2023/03/guns-america-data-atf-total/[/URL]

400 million guns in 2500 red countries!

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_ownership[/URL]

[URL]https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-trump-biden-counties-won-2020-election-770301657627[/URL]

So funny how a lot of BrainWashed Dickheads believe every G-the thing the Scumbag media feeds you all. Are You going to Cry because America's Greatest President has died? LOL. So Funny seeng Van Jones and other media scumbags cryiing over Disgusting Treasonous Scumbag Dementia Joe. I for one am glad we won't be seeing Scumbag anymore. Go to Hell Joe.

Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle Resigns.

I guess it finally got through to her that the job was protecting the lives of people versus hiring women as government workers.

Anyway, the other good news is we Republicans have a new star pol, Nancy Mase.

Her first question: Both sides of the aisle today have asked for your resignation. Would you like to use my five minutes today to draft your resignation letter? Yes, or No?

You can watch the whole thing here: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv5mzY9DWXY[/URL].

It is a rare demonstration of a pol being smart, correct, passionate and throwing inappropriate PC nonsense in the trash.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2931856]Who are going to vote for Kamala?

1. Democrats.

2. Left-leaning independents.

3. Other independents and maybe 1% of Republicans who realize what a disaster the second Trump's coming could become.

Who won't vote for Kamala?

1. 99% of Republicans.

2. Centrists and right-leaning independents who might not like Trump, but who're looking for a charisma in their candidate -- Kamala has none.

I'm afraid the Electoral College system might favor the second group. It would be like Hillary V. 2.

And of course, there are folks who'll stay home due to the lack of enthusiasm for either candidate.

Someone once said that FDR would've never become president if television was widely available at the time because Americans wouldn't have voted for a man in a wheelchair.

Kamala is like a man in a wheelchair. She's practically invisible, and her voice tends to tremble sometimes when she's nervous. Hillary at least didn't have these predicaments.[/QUOTE]

So let me be clear! I think, had the Dems [b]"stayed the course"[/b] with Joe Biden, he'd was gonna give Trump the beatdown I was so looking forward seeing.

I'm still not sold on Veep K.H., and still agnostic w/r to her as a "solid" candidate, which you've articled nicely as to why that is. And for the most part, I agree with your astute analysis. But simply put (to use a turn of phase), she is the designated pinch-hitter or just simply the next batter up?

Okay...so [b]who did you have in mind[/b] as "pinch-hitter" or "relief pitcher" for the Dems?

From the list of other candidates, I think they, were all were looking to run for president, more so in 2028, with a [i]"longer campaign runway"[/i] with which to operate. And many of the others, seemed quite relieved, the task of running in 2024, is (so far) being left up to Veep K.H.

[b]PS:[/b] Forgive the baseball analogies, that I so do loath using, but it seemed apropos!

You were saying? The Democrats will arrive to and depart from Chicago strong and united and ready to stomp some MAGA maggots!

[URL]https://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/politics/2024/07/23/kamala-harris-gets-enough-delegate-support-to-secure-nomination/74517356007/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Spidy;2932343]Okay...so [b]who did you have in mind[/b] as "pinch-hitter" or "relief pitcher" for the Dems?[/QUOTE]I think either Newsom or Shapiro would be a better choice. But since this isn't happening, I hope she'll use the next 3 months wisely to change people's perception of her, LOL.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2932302]You mean the "Democracy" where the person getting the most votes is kicked out?

As AH pointed out, there were no protestors in Milwaukee. Hell, that convention was as Kum ba ya as it comes.

I am glad you are counting on LE after the debacle in Trump's attempted assassination. I have no doubt the LE negligence with the Trump assassination was planned. It is conspiracy to say Biden arranged for people to shoot at RFK JR and Trump. It is not to conspiracy at all to say he wanted it.

Biden is still head of all LE. You think this vindictive MF is going to let there be a peaceful convention after being stabbed in the back and pushed out the door? Ha! The only person in charge fucking hates the people at the convention. As it stands now, there will be a huge leadership void. And the Chicago police are famous for turning a blind eye at crime.

The largest Muslim contingent in the USA is in Dearborn, MI, a short drive from Chicago. I suspect busses and busses of people being shipped in from there.

Yeah, I am sure Biden is going to bring in those five foot nothing women who cannot holster their guns to protect the delegates.

Would anyone even care if the pro-Palestinian mobs took over the Democratic convention? Isn't all the Democrats and their voting just for show now anyway?[/QUOTE]Well-spoken by the "law and order party". I guess only if you win though huh? If not then you storm the Capitol prepared to lynch the Vice President because he chose the law (the Constitution) over your tyrant. MAGA will end up on the trash heap of history just like the Tea Party! Only thing is that with the right's desperation you just keep getting more and more extreme as you see your power to influence and control slipping away over time. Tea Party. MAGA. What's next doucebag? The Neo-American Nazi Party? We'll be ready and waiting!

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2932332]Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle Resigns.

I guess it finally got through to her that the job was protecting the lives of people versus hiring women as government workers.

Anyway, the other good news is we Republicans have a new star pol, Nancy Mase.

Her first question: Both sides of the aisle today have asked for your resignation. Would you like to use my five minutes today to draft your resignation letter? Yes, or No?

You can watch the whole thing here: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv5mzY9DWXY[/URL].

It is a rare demonstration of a pol being smart, correct, passionate and throwing inappropriate PC nonsense in the trash.[/QUOTE]McKinley.

JFK.

RFK.

Ford (twice).

Reagan.

4 times the shooter made a direct hit. 3 times the target victim died.

All had male Directors of the Secret Service. No mention of DEI. No mention of PC. No demands on both sides for anyone to resign.

I wonder if any one of them except Ford would have happily traded their Secret Service protection results over a grazed ear, possibly by glass shards going along for the ride rather than the bullet itself.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2932412]Well-spoken by the "law and order party". I guess only if you win though huh? If not then you storm the Capitol prepared to lynch the Vice President because he chose the law (the Constitution) over your tyrant. MAGA will end up on the trash heap of history just like the Tea Party! Only thing is that with the right's desperation you just keep getting more and more extreme as you see your power to influence and control slipping away over time. Tea Party. MAGA. What's next doucebag? The Neo-American Nazi Party? We'll be ready and waiting![/QUOTE]MAGA is not Nazi! When was their an attempt to lynch pence? What was the guy's name who tried to lynch him? This is news to be me.

Democrats talk too much about building bridges over rivers which don't exist. If no criminals, why have police and prisons? Better make criminals some how- said the Warden. If true racism which actually effects social mobility has truly perished, You can be sure Democrats will figure out some way to make more racists to keep their pockets full of cash and pawns in office. Democrats profit off division and hate much more than Republican. Just imagine if ALL people decided to truly unite in USA and push a true America first agenda. You will never see a lower class get richer and happier quicker in history. China and Russia would shit their pants, maybe even peace in the middle east. Money Talks.

Walmart, Amazon, Target, Mcdonalds will never let it happen- they thrive off the poor and desperate.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2932343]So let me be clear! I think, had the Dems [b]"stayed the course"[/b] with Joe Biden, he'd was gonna give Trump the beatdown I was so looking forward seeing.

I'm still not sold on Veep K.H., and still agnostic w/r to her as a "solid" candidate, which you've articled nicely as to why that is. And for the most part, I agree with your astute analysis. But simply put (to use a turn of phase), she is the designated pinch-hitter or just simply the next batter up?

Okay...so [b]who did you have in mind[/b] as "pinch-hitter" or "relief pitcher" for the Dems?

From the list of other candidates, I think they, were all were looking to run for president, more so in 2028, with a [i]"longer campaign runway"[/i] with which to operate. And many of the others, seemed quite relieved, the task of running in 2024, is (so far) being left up to Veep K.H.

[b]PS:[/b] Forgive the baseball analogies, that I so do loath using, but it seemed apropos![/QUOTE]If typically pro Repub Mainstream Media had not suddenly decided that first Presidential Debate Quiz Show should NOT have been a calm, reasoned, orderly exchange of ideas, agendas and plans for a second term as it had clearly been formatted to be and on which basis Biden easily won on every question instead of a loud, interruptive, zinger-filled clown show and then overreacted beyond all reason and overwhelming evidence that Biden was "incapacitated", spending every hour doing everything possible to terrify Dem voters and donors into running for their lives, Biden would today be in roughly the exact same position Harris finds herself.

Except in a better position to win in November due to him being the true Incumbent, a major factor in winning re-election.

Perhaps the money flow came in sooner under Harris because her being endorsed by Biden was an inflection point.

Otherwise, Trump's "Convention Bounce" would be over just the same as it appears to be over now. Biden would have his "Convention Bounce" coming all the same, the money would still be flowing in, plenty of it.

Trump's high point vs Biden at the end of his Convention would be staring at a world of upcoming hurt with the Dem Convention, his sentencing and the next Presidential Debate Quiz Show wherein Biden would be fully prepared to engage in whatever loud, interruptive, zinger-filled clown show the typically pro Repub Mainstream Media desires.

Meanwhile, the 538 Poll site Consensus Projection would likely already have Biden back to several points ahead of Trump in the Chances of Winning and sitting comfortably at 278+ Electoral Votes along with Allan Lichtman's so far 100% accurate Keys to the White House, going all the way back to 1860, favoring Biden even more.

Most of that might still happen with Harris. But, thanks to pro Repub MSM, the Dem is going into the final stretch without one of the most important Keys; Incumbancy.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2932332]Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle Resigns.[/QUOTE]I watched the hearing. After a lifetime of civilian service to have to be disrespectful individuals that are more similar to the the Medellin Morans than elected public officials, I would take my pension and find better days. She is going to get a job in private industry making 2 x - 3 x times her government salary. Good for here.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2932332]I guess it finally got through to her that the job was protecting the lives of people versus hiring women as government workers.[/QUOTE]Wrong. See statement above.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2932332]Anyway, the other good news is we Republicans have a new star pol, Nancy Mase.[/QUOTE]No surprise you are riding her tip.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2932474]MAGA is not Nazi! When was their an attempt to lynch pence? What was the guy's name who tried to lynch him? This is news to be me.[/QUOTE]MAGA is not Nazi. But MAGA is stupid and can't comprehend plain English. I asked what is coming [B]next[/B]? As for calling for the lynching of Pence does January 6th ring a bell? Oh, that's right! That never happened. That was just a bunch of curious tourists looking around the Capitol.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2932430]McKinley.

JFK.

RFK.

Ford (twice).

Reagan.

4 times the shooter made a direct hit. 3 times the target victim died.

All had male Directors of the Secret Service. No mention of DEI. No mention of PC. No demands on both sides for anyone to resign.

I wonder if any one of them except Ford would have happily traded their Secret Service protection results over a grazed ear, possibly by glass shards going along for the ride rather than the bullet itself.[/QUOTE]I was reminded earlier today of the FDR shooting. In early 1933, President-elect FDR was shot at in an open limo. Five shots. As in the JFK, Reagan and Trump shooting, other people in close proximity to him but without Secret Service protection assigned to them were hit. 4 bystanders were wounded and the Mayor of Chicago was killed.

Again, the Director of the Secret Service at the time was male, so there was no mention of anything like DEI or PC and both sides did not demand anyone resign.

Mind you, thanks solely to the Republican Party's slavish devotion to their NRA benefactors' wish to arm every lunatic in America with the most sophisticated and effective weaponry to kill as many human beings as possible with the least amount of effort, it is no doubt more difficult to prevent anyone from being shot today than ever before.

I don't recall anyone demanding that GW Bush resign for allowing the assault-rifle ban to lapse or that every member of Congress who voted No on Biden's recent gun safety bill to resign.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2932474]When was their an attempt to lynch pence? What was the guy's name who tried to lynch him? This is news to be me.[/QUOTE]Chanting "hang Mike Pence" doesn't qualify?

[URL]https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/25/trump-expressed-support-hanging-pence-capitol-riot-jan-6-00035117[/URL]

[QUOTE=TheCane;2932412]Well-spoken by the "law and order party". I guess only if you win though huh? If not then you storm the Capitol prepared to lynch the Vice President because he chose the law (the Constitution) over your tyrant.[/QUOTE]You mean where Trump said to March peacefully, and the only person shot and killed was a Republican protestor? You mean the March where you Democratic douches were so anxious to say it caused deaths you counted security guards who committed suicide days and weeks later? You mean the March where the FBI director would not tell us how many FBI informants were in the crowds? You mean the March where gun owning MAGA citizens left their guns behind?

I think I can speak for most Republicans in saying the only reason to show up at the Democratic convention would be to laugh. The people protesting are in your party.

And you douches created your own issues within your party with your prowar nonsense and at least in the case of the Palestinians it has come back to bite you in the butt. Netanyahu has walked all over Dementia Joe and is using USA bombs to blow up people waving white flags screaming surrender. Everything Biden has done with the Israeli conflict has been a joke including building a dock that was swept away by the sea.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2932412]WMAGA will end up on the trash heap of history just like the Tea Party! Only thing is that with the right's desperation you just keep getting more and more extreme as you see your power to influence and control slipping away over time. Tea Party. MAGA. What's next doucebag?[/QUOTE]Well, here is what is not next, your last prediction that Biden would win. Hell, you do not even know what is going to happen next. Odds of Harris winning is at 80%, but that is only if people do not who she is. Right now, she is not Trump and not demented like Biden. Those are her supposed positives.

Tulsi Gabbard shredded Kamala Harris in the 2020 election debates. Now you have RFK JR. Just destroy her in 2 minutes here: [URL]https://twitter.com/EndTribalism/status/1815144842072048077[/URL]

Odds are she is going to win the nomination but once people get over the fact that she can walk and talk unlike Biden and they actually see the real her, she is going to be cannon fodder.

AS for MAGA, douches like you think it is Trump when the reality is MAGA is a populist movement against bureaucracy and the deep state with which Trump is the face of. It is not going away with Trump. JD Vance will be leading it after him. In 2016, Ben Carson told Trump that either he or Trump would win the election because the party wanted an outsider, and the Democratic voters wanted the same. The Deep State just rigged things so Hiliary and not Bernie won.

After J6, Covid, the assassination attempt, an administration not being run by an elected candidate, and now a Democratic nominee who has not one one delegate's vote previously, the MAGA movement is stronger than ever. Who the fuck is running the Biden administration if not the deep state? If you think it is Joe Biden, you are as demented as he is.

So I cannot believe how dumb your comment is. You think a movement where the deep state picks who is president and runs the executive branch is going to outlast one where the citizens decide? That is the definition of a Democratic douche.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2932412]The Neo-American Nazi Party? We'll be ready and waiting![/QUOTE]You are the fucking Nazis who do not believe in citizens not having the right to vote. The last honest Democratic primaries were in 2008 when Obama unexpectedly won.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2932343]So let me be clear! I think, had the Dems "stayed the course" with Joe Biden, he'd was gonna give Trump the beatdown I was so looking forward seeing.

I'm still not sold on Veep K.H., and still agnostic w/r to her as a "solid" candidate, which you've articled nicely as to why that is. And for the most part, I agree with your astute analysis. But simply put (to use a turn of phase), she is the designated pinch-hitter or just simply the next batter up?

Okay...so who did you have in mind as "pinch-hitter" or "relief pitcher" for the Dems?

From the list of other candidates, I think they, were all were looking to run for president, more so in 2028, with a "longer campaign runway" with which to operate. And many of the others, seemed quite relieved, the task of running in 2024, is (so far) being left up to Veep K.H.

Forgive the baseball analogies, that I so do loath using, but it seemed apropos![/QUOTE]LOL. Spidy, the reason I call you all Democratic douches is because you all just inhale the government narrative. The worst was with Covid. Hell, you guys still are so dumb to believe Covid was not made in a lab, masks work, social distancing was based on science, and the vaccines worked.

But the worst is you do not believe in your own votes mattering and having a fair primary process. You are never going to believe this because you douches think pro-Trump guys are mindless idiots who would never vote for anyone else but I voted for Obama over McCain in 2008, and if RFK Jr. Were the Democratic nominee, I would have considered him.

RFK Jr. Touches on two huge issues that no one in the Democratic field has. He was concerned about chronic diseases in the USA which are at epidemic levels and he is very anti-war. You can make fun of the America first Trump agenda but Dems continue to throw billions and trillions away in wars with no end in sight.

If you douches had insisted on your votes counting instead of going along with the idiotic notion of only having Biden's names on ballots, he could have and probably would have been your candidate.

And yet you douches kept calling him a nut. Well, guess what? Trump reached out to RFK Jr and admitted RFK Jr had some good points. [URL]https://nypost.com/2024/07/22/us-news/rfk-jr-dangled-gig-in-trump-administration-during-call-with-donald-report/[/URL].

Independent presidential aspirant Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Talked about a gig in the Trump administration during a discussion with the former president earlier this month, according to a report.

Kennedy, 70, and former President Donald Trump, 78, held private discussions ahead of the Republican National Convention, including a phone call that leaked out to the public last week in which the GOP nominee tried to court the independent candidate's endorsement.

During those talks, the two men discussed the possibility that Trump could give Kennedy a cabinet or lower-level position in his administration, the Washington Post reported.

The roles in question would have pertained to health-related issues, according to the outlet.

End of link.

Nobody with someone in their family with autism thinks RFK Jr is a nut. No one with a chronic disease should think he is either. And you got Trump reaching out to RFK Jr. Saying he has good points while Democrats are kicking him in the balls? WTF is that?

I am glad you are not sold on Kamala. I am not sure why. I hope it is because when she was younger all she was doing was sucking the dick of rappers and the ancient Willie Brown. I hope it is because she threw so many black people in jail and used them as indentured servants. I hope it is because you see that all she has done well in her life is kiss ass and suck dick. She has not earned any political position IMO. Everything has been handed to her. There is no way she gets the nomination if it was getting votes from the public.

When RFK Jr went on Joe Rogan and I heard what he had so say versus what was being said about him, I was uber impressed. Hell, even Joe Rogan apologized to him for thinking he was a nut because so many people said he was. He is the opposite of Kamala and Hiliary, the more you hear him talk, the more you like him.

And I actually want a good Democratic canddidate because that makes Republicans better too. Biden, Hiliary, and Harris remind me of and are worse than Romney, McCain, and Dole. In 2016, the powers that be put Jeb Bush out as our front runner. Remember that? I have dead fish more inspiring than him. The voters demanded better and got Trump, the most inspirational president since Reagan.

I cannot ignore the issues RFK Jr. Brings to the table, and honestly, no one should. He is a maybe to me whereas Biden and Harris are fuck nos. Xpartan is right.

I have been told Barron Trump, Trump's youngest son, is on the autism spectrum, and he looks like it to me. A lot of the crap about Melania not living in the WH is probably due to Barron as autistics do not do well with a change in environment. The hectic WH is not a good place for an autistic child. If you notice, no one mentions him much.

So while you all are off calling a Kennedy, a fucking Kennedy, a traitor and a nut, Trump is reaching out to him. I do not think I have ever seen Trump show this much respect to anyone before. RFK Jr. Could have given Trump a challenge at a debate. Shit, all Biden and Harris had were doing to win was censor, arrest, and then being negligent with security. They actually make Jeb Bush look good.

I really hope you all shrug off all the media / deep state driven narratives and demand better candidates and unless you all get the shit beaten out of you, and I hope that happens in this election, I doubt you all are going to change.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2932531]I watched the hearing. After a lifetime of civilian service to have to be disrespectful individuals that are more similar to the the Medellin Morans[/QUOTE]Sigh, SC, Medellin morons is a term I used to describe guys who always claim to be getting Colombian pussy for less than others and try to drag down guys who try to shoot for better. They revel in degrading men for trying to have more than a hooker-john relationship with women, shoot down guys who are striving to or dating elite Colombian women, and basically say anyone dating or getting the Colombian elite into bed are liars, and one said, "guys here cannot date women higher than estrato 4. ".

This dispute went on way before you even got to the forum but when you got there, you clearly put yourself in the camp of Medellin morons and not in mine when you repeated the dumb as a rock phrase pussy is pussy. If you want to judge who won by a vote of the guys on the forum, I lost. If you want to vote based on who guys have imitated what I have done, I win in a landslide. I blazed a path a lot of guys have been following. I was the first on the form openly championing sugar concepts and using [URL]seeking.com[/URL] in Colombia.

I told you that I was going to judge you on what you said and not who you are. When you repeat the phrase pussy is pussy, you are a Medellin moron. Period. It is the same as saying cow is cow and bragging your McDonald's cheeseburger is the same as a fine steak and making fun of the guys eating steak and striving for the best steak they can find. Oh, you will go through a line of bullshit and rationalize what you have is just as good as what I and others have. Spare us! I have been where you are. I know what you have.

Your political foray is not even about politics. It is about your little ego being all butt hurt about being lumped in the Medellin moron camp. Sorry, you earned that with what you said.

Even without the steak analogy, the pussy is pussy statement is so derogatory towards women and speaks volumes about your attitudes towards them. It is literally saying the only part of a woman's body that gives your pleasure is between their legs. As I said in the seeking forum, when you have a good woman, she gives you so much pleasure that sex is just the cherry on top. You will want to argue about that too, how your women give you pleasure without their pussies. Again, spare us! You said what you said.

And now I am going to have to listen to your idiotic Democratic douche style shit about how pussy does not mean pussy and is does not mean is. Who do you think are the men saying pussy is pussy? The guys eating hamburger or the ones eating steak? While you played the game of being popular among the moron crowd, you identified yourself as a jealous hamburger eater.

You were so interested in being popular with the Medellin moron crowd you did not even consider by saying pussy is pussy, you put yourself in Gabacho's league where you are fucking disease ridden, ugly as fuck women. You want to rehab your image? Quit saying pussy is pussy, start showing examples of hot, classy women you are with, and stop being a narcissist where you can never admit you are wrong. Putting me down is not going to change anybody's mind about the quality of women you are banging.

Now quitting polluting this forum with your personal shit and keep the Medellin comments in the Medellin forums.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2932607]Well, here is what is not next, your last prediction that Biden would win.[/QUOTE]I'm not going to respond to the rest of your drivel. I have better things to do with my life. In fact, I already want back the time I spent writing this! But let me say this. You see, Biden will not only win once but twice by stepping aside. You're just too simple minded and unsophisticated to realize this. So let me break it down for you. Biden already beat Trump once in a direct confrontation. And he'll beat him again by passing the baton. Harris is his Vice President, so when she wins Biden too wins since she will carry on his legacy. Being the wise, elder statesman that he his, Biden put a political jiu jitsu move on your asses! He did something that Trump would never do, which is put country over party over self. Trump is the exact opposite putting self over party over country! Unpatriotic. Unprincipled. Undisciplined. Unscrupulous. And [B]unfit[/B] for office! That's your guy. Felonious Chump. And "the Prosecutor" is about to gnaw on that ass! Victory shall be Biden's. Twice!

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2932392]I think either Newsom or Shapiro would be a better choice. But since this isn't happening, I hope she'll use the next 3 months wisely to change people's perception of her, LOL.[/QUOTE]LOL. So you admit the perception of her is bad? And you think people judge base on actions not deeds? Guess who wrote this?

Timeline of Events.

Sunday.

Joe Biden drops out.

Kamala Harris announces campaign with Biden endorsement.

Kamala Harris says she is going to work hard to earn the nomination.

Kamala Harris makes calls to party delegates.

Monday.

Kamala Harris continues making calls to party delegates.

Kamala Harris makes two public speeches.

AP announces Kamala Harris has secured enough delegates to be the Democratic Nominee (Monday night).

Kamala Harris releases this statement, noting she has worked hard to "go out and earn this nomination" as promised (Monday night).

A 24-hour process of talking to party bosses is not democratic, nor is it a process Democrats should be proud of. We do not live in a dictatorship. Delegates are not oligarchs.

Installing Kamala Harris as the Democratic nominee and an unknown vice president without any public voting process would make the modern Democratic Party a party of hypocrites.

We call on the.

At DNC.

To create a process that allows for public participation in the nomination process, not just a nomination by party delegates.

And guess who wrote this?

While Joe Biden wasn't our preferred candidate, we cannot ignore the troubling actions of the Democratic Party:

The DNC refused to host debates during the primary, even though a vast majority of Democratic voters wanted them. This would have likely allowed America to see the decline of Joe Biden in 2023.

The DNC changed the primary schedule and created rules that made it almost impossible for non-Biden candidates to appear on the ballot, effectively clearing the field of any challengers to the incumbent president.

Following the primary where millions of voters weighed in, after one poor debate performance, the DNC Party elites and billionaire donors bullied Joe Biden out of the race.

Now, Democratic Party elites and billionaire donors are attempting to manipulate voters by anointing Kamala Harris and an unknown vice president as the new Democratic ticket without a primary vote by the public. This blatant disregard for democratic principles is unacceptable. While the potential outcome of a Harris presidency may be historic, the process to achieve it must align with true democratic values. We have no idea where Kamala Harris stands on the issues, now that she has assumed Joe Biden's place, and we have no idea of the record of her potential vice president because we don't even know who it is yet.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2932607]You mean where Trump said to March peacefully, and the only person shot and killed was a Republican protestor? You mean the March where you Democratic douches were so anxious to say it caused deaths you counted security guards who committed suicide days and weeks later? You mean the March where the FBI director would not tell us how many FBI informants were in the crowds? You mean the March where gun owning MAGA citizens left their guns behind?

I think I can speak for most Republicans in saying the only reason to show up at the Democratic convention would be to laugh. The people protesting are in your party.

And you douches created your own issues within your party with your prowar nonsense and at least in the case of the Palestinians it has come back to bite you in the butt. Netanyahu has walked all over Dementia Joe and is using USA bombs to blow up people waving white flags screaming surrender. Everything Biden has done with the Israeli conflict has been a joke including building a dock that was swept away by the sea.

Well, here is what is not next, your last prediction that Biden would win. Hell, you do not even know what is going to happen next. Odds of Harris winning is at 80%, but that is only if people do not who she is. Right now, she is not Trump and not demented like Biden. Those are her supposed positives.

Tulsi Gabbard shredded Kamala Harris in the 2020 election debates. Now you have RFK JR. Just destroy her in 2 minutes here: [URL]https://twitter.com/EndTribalism/status/1815144842072048077[/URL]

Odds are she is going to win the nomination but once people get over the fact that she can walk and talk unlike Biden and they actually see the real her, she is going to be cannon fodder.

AS for MAGA, douches like you think it is Trump when the reality is MAGA is a populist movement against bureaucracy and the deep state with which Trump is the face of. It is not going away with Trump. JD Vance will be leading it after him. In 2016, Ben Carson told Trump that either he or Trump would win the election because the party wanted an outsider, and the Democratic voters wanted the same. The Deep State just rigged things so Hiliary and not Bernie won.

After J6, Covid, the assassination attempt, an administration not being run by an elected candidate, and now a Democratic nominee who has not one one delegate's vote previously, the MAGA movement is stronger than ever. Who the fuck is running the Biden administration if not the deep state? If you think it is Joe Biden, you are as demented as he is.

So I cannot believe how dumb your comment is. You think a movement where the deep state picks who is president and runs the executive branch is going to outlast one where the citizens decide? That is the definition of a Democratic douche.

You are the fucking Nazis who do not believe in citizens not having the right to vote. The last honest Democratic primaries were in 2008 when Obama unexpectedly won.[/QUOTE]Trump never told anyone to "March peacefully" on January 6, 2021. I have heard and read the statement where here used the word "peacefully" but in no way was he telling anyone to remain peaceful, to demonstrate peacefully or to March peacefully nor would any of his bloodthirsty cult followers have heard it that way, which he well knew.

Do you have a link to the exact quote of Trump telling anyone to "March peacefully" on that day? If so, please post it.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2932596]Chanting "hang Mike Pence" doesn't qualify?

[URL]https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/25/trump-expressed-support-hanging-pence-capitol-riot-jan-6-00035117[/URL][/QUOTE]Here is another link that does not require signing up:

[B]Trump chief of staff said the president thought Pence deserves chants of hang Mike Pence on Jan. 6, ex-aide testifies.
June 28, 2022[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/28/jan-6-hearing-trump-thought-pence-deserved-chants-to-hang-him-aide-says.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]

[QUOTE]Cassidy Hutchinson, a former top aide to then-chief of staff Mark Meadows, in sworn testimony recounted her experience witnessing Meadows and another top official, White House counsel Pat Cipollone, discussing Trumps reaction as the riot unfolded.
.........
"I remember Pat saying something to the effect of, Mark, we need to do something more. Theyre literally calling for the vice president to be effing hung, Hutchinson testified.

Mark had responded something to the effect of, You heard him, Pat. He thinks Mike deserves it. He doesnt think theyre doing anything wrong, Hutchinson said.

She told the committee, I understood "theyre" to be the rioters in the Capitol that were chanting for the vice president to be hung.[/QUOTE]And there is this:

[B]New Video Released of Construction of the January 6th Gallows[/B]

[URL]https://sfl.media/new-video-released-of-construction-of-the-january-6th-gallows/[/URL]

[B]BONUS LINK:[/B]

The Newly Anti-Assassination Donald J. Trump's pre shooting (at him) policy on allowing armed lunatics into his rallies and Insurrection attacks in his War Against America:

[B]'They're not here to hurt me': Former aide says Trump knew Jan. 6 crowd was armed
Cassidy Hutchinson described violent outbursts from the former president on Jan. 6.[/B]

[URL]https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/jan-6-panel-looks-trump-white-house-cassidy-hutchinson-testimony-rcna35550[/URL]

[QUOTE]Cassidy Hutchinson, who served as a senior aide to then-White House chief of staff Mark Meadows, detailed outbursts of rage from Trump the day he urged supporters to march to the Capitol, portraying him as angry and supportive of the Capitol attack as his last, desperate grasp to overturn the will of voters failed.

[B]"I dont f---ing care that they have weapons[/b], Trump fumed in urging aides to take down magnetometers (metal detectors) near the White House before he addressed a Stop the Steal rally, Hutchinson testified. [B]Theyre not here to hurt me. Take the f---ing mags away.[/b][/QUOTE]

The numbers show that in 2016 and 2020 pollsters had been over counting likely Dem voters. Biden's final RealClearPolitics Concensus was +7. 2 points over Trump but the final election result was +4. 5 points. Several big name polling services had Biden a whopping 10 or 11 points ahead of Trump in the final week or two! The final result was less than HALF of that.

[URL]https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2020/trump-vs-biden[/URL]

The fact that Biden led Trump in the polls so consistently throughout most of 2020 (and Clinton over Trump in 2016) should have been the tip off that pollsters' typical methodology in those years was way over counting Dems. The Polling services figured that out after the 2020 election.

So, what did they do after the 2020 election when it became clear to them that their methodology was notably over counting Dems in the prior two POTUS election years? They over compensated and have been way over counting Repubs ever since.

Which accounts for why actual Dem election results have been notably out performing their poll numbers vs Repubs over the past few years. And it also accounts for why, this time around, Trump has been polling ahead of Biden and now Harris by a consistent 2-3 points or the outer edge of a normal +/-MoE throughout this election year:

[B]Why election polls were so wrong in 2016 and 2020 and whats changing to fix that.[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/05/04/why-election-polls-were-wrong-in-2016-and-2020-and-whats-changing.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]

[QUOTE]Levy added that SCRI is also taking an extra step to target Trump voters by modeling their sample to include a higher survey quota for people who are considered high-probability Trump voters in rural areas.

If you think of them as M&Ms, lets say the Trump M&M vote is red, Levy said. We have a few extra red M&Ms in the jar.[/QUOTE]It is too bad so many nervous Nellie's relied so much on these obviously over counted Trump-voter polls to give so much of a shit about polling results that are not even predictive of POTUS election wins anyway. And therefore to allow themselves to be terrified out of supporting or donating to the highly likely (historically) Dem incumbent winner by that and by typically lazy and pro Repub Mainstream Media only too eager to pound on those poll numbers every hour.

Let's hope they don't allow themselves to be terrified and their votes suppressed by those same factors into lessening their support for the current Dem (likely) candidate and eliminate another historically winning factor or two or three along the way between now and when actual voting begins.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2932655]LOL. So you admit the perception of her is bad? And you think people judge base on actions not deeds? Guess who wrote this?

Timeline of Events.

Sunday.

Joe Biden drops out.

Kamala Harris announces campaign with Biden endorsement.

Kamala Harris says she is going to work hard to earn the nomination.

Kamala Harris makes calls to party delegates.

Monday.

Kamala Harris continues making calls to party delegates.

Kamala Harris makes two public speeches.

AP announces Kamala Harris has secured enough delegates to be the Democratic Nominee (Monday night).

Kamala Harris releases this statement, noting she has worked hard to "go out and earn this nomination" as promised (Monday night).

A 24-hour process of talking to party bosses is not democratic, nor is it a process Democrats should be proud of. We do not live in a dictatorship. Delegates are not oligarchs.

Installing Kamala Harris as the Democratic nominee and an unknown vice president without any public voting process would make the modern Democratic Party a party of hypocrites.

We call on the.

At DNC.

To create a process that allows for public participation in the nomination process, not just a nomination by party delegates.

And guess who wrote this?

While Joe Biden wasn't our preferred candidate, we cannot ignore the troubling actions of the Democratic Party:

The DNC refused to host debates during the primary, even though a vast majority of Democratic voters wanted them. This would have likely allowed America to see the decline of Joe Biden in 2023.

The DNC changed the primary schedule and created rules that made it almost impossible for non-Biden candidates to appear on the ballot, effectively clearing the field of any challengers to the incumbent president.

Following the primary where millions of voters weighed in, after one poor debate performance, the DNC Party elites and billionaire donors bullied Joe Biden out of the race.

Now, Democratic Party elites and billionaire donors are attempting to manipulate voters by anointing Kamala Harris and an unknown vice president as the new Democratic ticket without a primary vote by the public. This blatant disregard for democratic principles is unacceptable. While the potential outcome of a Harris presidency may be historic, the process to achieve it must align with true democratic values. We have no idea where Kamala Harris stands on the issues, now that she has assumed Joe Biden's place, and we have no idea of the record of her potential vice president because we don't even know who it is yet.[/QUOTE]Timeline of Events.

Thursday, July 18:

Dem primary voters, Dem delegates, Dem general election voters, Dem campaign donors both big and small, potential new voter registration Americans and the rest of America just witnessed the Loony America-Hating ChristoFacism Festival of Repub MAGA Lies that finished up with the Grand Finale of their Dear Cult Leader blathering endlessly and incoherently about Hannibal the Cannibal Lector, sharks, how his World's Worst Presdency with the Worst Results of All Time was "great" and how he can't wait to enact economic policies starting on Day One of his 2nd Term that will jack up Inflation, Trigger Massive Jobs Destruction and a Deep Recession or Depression even worse than those he produced with his 1st term policies aimed at creating, among other horrific results, Trump's Pandemic.

Not to take anything away from Kamala Harris. I think she has a Very Good chance of winning in November even if not the Excellent chance of winning that incumbent President Joe Biden possessed.

But it is my belief that the week following that RNC Horror Show would have driven thousands of young people to register to vote, a large crowd at the next Dem POTUS campaign rally and the tens of millions of dollars pledged to support the Dem Party no matter who was at the top of the POTUS ticket. If anything, it might have been even more of all of it if Biden had still remained at the top of the ticket due to his greater known quantity, accomplishments, already articulated plans for a 2nd term and his record in already beating Trump's ass in an election.

Yes, even Abigail Disney would have buckled by now, just 5-6 days after that RNC Horror Show closed and be flooding the Biden / Dem Campaign coffers with Mickey Money.

Meanwhile, the DNC Presidential Primary Delegate system is not the same as, say, a Constitutionally-mandated and -protected government election re individual voters in that primary:

[B]Voting in a Primary Election: An Explainer.[/B]

[URL]https://www.rockthevote.org/voting-in-a-primary-election-an-explainer/[/URL]

[QUOTE]A presidential primary, or presidential preference primary, is typically an indirect election meaning the votes tallied are not directly for the candidate running for president. Rather, the votes are tallied and the state parties award delegates according to these votes and the partys allocation rules. These delegates then vote for their candidate at their partys national convention. The presidential candidate who wins the most delegate votes at their partys national convention will be on the ballot for the general election.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2932474]MAGA is not Nazi! When was their an attempt to lynch pence? What was the guy's name who tried to lynch him? This is news to be me.

Democrats talk too much about building bridges over rivers which don't exist. If no criminals, why have police and prisons? Better make criminals some how- said the Warden. If true racism which actually effects social mobility has truly perished, You can be sure Democrats will figure out some way to make more racists to keep their pockets full of cash and pawns in office. Democrats profit off division and hate much more than Republican. Just imagine if ALL people decided to truly unite in USA and push a true America first agenda. You will never see a lower class get richer and happier quicker in history. China and Russia would shit their pants, maybe even peace in the middle east. Money Talks.

Walmart, Amazon, Target, Mcdonalds will never let it happen- they thrive off the poor and desperate.[/QUOTE]Its disrespectful and deceitful to even put NAZI and MAGA in the same sentence. Same with Jan. 6, unlawful protest is so clearly not an insurrection. ALLEGED provocative comments is not trying to lynch someone. Democrats lies will be their downfall. Youth sees them as desperate fibbers who are corrupt and power hungry and controlled by big tech and corporate America. They lost my vote for some time to come. Same how republicans lost my vote after terrible Iraq invasion over fake nuke programs.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2932662]I have heard and read the statement where here used the word "peacefully" but in no way was he telling anyone to remain peaceful, to demonstrate peacefully or to March peacefully nor would any of his bloodthirsty cult followers have heard it that way, which he well knew.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheCane;2932645]You see, Biden will not only win once but twice by stepping aside. Biden put a political jiu jitsu move on your asses! Trump is the exact opposite putting self over party over country! Unpatriotic. Unprincipled.[/QUOTE]Peaceful means violent. Quitting means winning, and getting shot in the ear while running to serve the public as president is unpatriotic. And you guys wonder why I call you Democratic douches. With the way you guys twist words around, I am not sure why you do not think the term Democratic douche is a compliment.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2932684]The numbers show that in 2016 and 2020 pollsters had been over counting likely Dem voters. Biden's final RealClearPolitics Concensus was +7. 2 points over Trump but the final election result was +4. 5 points. Several big name polling services had Biden a whopping 10 or 11 points ahead of Trump in the final week or two! The final result was less than HALF of that.

[URL]https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2020/trump-vs-biden[/URL]

The fact that Biden led Trump in the polls so consistently throughout most of 2020 (and Clinton over Trump in 2016) should have been the tip off that pollsters' typical methodology in those years was way over counting Dems. The Polling services figured that out after the 2020 election.

So, what did they do after the 2020 election when it became clear to them that their methodology was notably over counting Dems in the prior two POTUS election years? They over compensated and have been way over counting Repubs ever since.

Which accounts for why actual Dem election results have been notably out performing their poll numbers vs Repubs over the past few years. And it also accounts for why, this time around, Trump has been polling ahead of Biden and now Harris by a consistent 2-3 points or the outer edge of a normal +/-MoE throughout this election year:

[B]Why election polls were so wrong in 2016 and 2020 and whats changing to fix that.[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/05/04/why-election-polls-were-wrong-in-2016-and-2020-and-whats-changing.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]

It is too bad so many nervous Nellie's relied so much on these obviously over counted Trump-voter polls to give so much of a shit about polling results that are not even predictive of POTUS election wins anyway. And therefore to allow themselves to be terrified out of supporting or donating to the highly likely (historically) Dem incumbent winner by that and by typically lazy and pro Repub Mainstream Media only too eager to pound on those poll numbers every hour.

Let's hope they don't allow themselves to be terrified and their votes suppressed by those same factors into lessening their support for the current Dem (likely) candidate and eliminate another historically winning factor or two or three along the way between now and when actual voting begins.[/QUOTE]I expected Harris to be up a little after this coup or whatever it was took place and the mug of Harris was everywhere. She is refreshing for now because she is not Biden and lo and behold, casino odds on her are up to the highest the Dems have seen in a while. She is at 37.5%. This is even higher than Biden was pre-debate.

Of course, that is a flash in the pan. Once people get over the she is not Biden bit and look at and get to know her, those numbers will go down.

The interesting angle is who is having the biggest gripes about her and from what I saw it is the blacks. Those passages I quoted to Xpartan were from BLM. Black commentators are saying she is not African American. Her black skin color is from a Jamaican father who was absent a lot of the time she was growing own. Kamala did not grow up in the hood but with a single Indian mother. So this is Barack 2. 0. In fact, her parents were both professors and one was at Stanford. If you talk about white privilege, Kamala may as well have been white with that pedigree and upbringing.

Dems like Schumer and Jeffries are out lying saying that this was a bottom up versus top down process. You have to be the biggest douche alive to buy that. Kamala was not the best candidate but may have access to that Biden money, and the money trail is showing that this bottom up process is bullshit.

[URL]https://x.com/TonySeruga[/URL]

I'm told Harris campaign is already using ActBlue money laundering scheme, $20 million from Johann Georg Wyss known as Hansjrg Wyss, born 19 September 1935, a Swiss billionaire, and was broken down into over 1,600,000 donations across 400,000 donors. Dirty! Dirty! Dirty!

Then you have James O'Keefe knocking on the doors of Democratic donors asking if they have donated to Act Blue hundreds of time, and many are saying uh, no. [URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/political/funny-money-actblue-accused-massive-money-laundering-operation-trump-files-fec-complaint[/URL].

Dems are already griping they can get no one to volunteer for them because Democratic enthusiasm is at an all time low and normally, I would think this funding thing would be let go in normal times. Maybe the FEC does some fine or something. But with the fucking joke of a process to select Harris and the lawfare campaign against Trump and Biden's completely botched SS job and the Trump assassination, I think judges are going to act.

Republicans are questioning if Biden's jawboning SCOTUS meant that they too would get the shit SS protection like Trump did. [URL]https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4788035-house-republicans-concerns-supreme-court-justices-safety/[/URL].

For the justices, worries came to a head two years ago after the Supreme Court's draft opinion overturning constitutional abortion protections was leaked.

The next month, a man was accused of attempting to murder Justice Brett Kavanaugh for showing up outside his home with a firearm. Congress passed new funding to extend security protections for justices' families, which has since been followed with additional budget requests.

The point is the days of judges turning a blind eye to the horrible wrongs like in 2020 are done. If the judges tie up these bullshit donations and funds in Biden's name, and they can easily do that, Kamala is done.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2932772]Its disrespectful and deceitful to even put NAZI and MAGA in the same sentence. Same with Jan. 6, unlawful protest is so clearly not an insurrection. ALLEGED provocative comments is not trying to lynch someone. Democrats lies will be their downfall. Youth sees them as desperate fibbers who are corrupt and power hungry and controlled by big tech and corporate America. They lost my vote for some time to come. Same how republicans lost my vote after terrible Iraq invasion over fake nuke programs.[/QUOTE]This whole post is disrespectful of American democracy, the rule of law, and the peaceful transfer of power. Those who believe in this "mularkey" as Biden puts it should be ashamed of themselves. Of course, those of us who love this experiment known as the United States of America know they aren't. Making it imperative for a victory at the ballot box. And preparations to see to it that the will of the people is done all over this land! Accept your lose at the ballot box and know when to cede power, as the elder statesman Joe Biden knows how to do. Or else, face the consequences! Federal "pound you in the ass" imprisonment!

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2932775]Peaceful means violent. Quitting means winning, and getting shot in the ear while running to serve the public as president is unpatriotic. And you guys wonder why I call you Democratic douches. With the way you guys twist words around, I am not sure why you do not think the term Democratic douche is a compliment.[/QUOTE]And Trump's telling his violent, cop-attacking, cop-killing mob of America-hating Insurrectionists on January 6, 2021 to March, Demonstrate, Protest or anything else Peacefully would go something like, "Please March Peacefully" or "Please Demonstrate Peacefully" or "Please Protest Peacefully", right?

None of which you could provide a link for because none of which came out of Trump's mouth at any time leading up to his America-hating mob storming the Capitol to overturn a free and fair election, overthrow American democracy and assassinate his VP and a few other elected officials.

Thanks.

LOL. Mainstream Media have been letting your boy, you and other Trumpsters get away with lying about that for a good 3 1/2 years so far, haven't they? LOL.

But I won't.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2932781]I expected Harris to be up a little after this coup or whatever it was took place and the mug of Harris was everywhere. She is refreshing for now because she is not Biden and lo and behold, casino odds on her are up to the highest the Dems have seen in a while. She is at 37.5%. This is even higher than Biden was pre-debate.

Of course, that is a flash in the pan. Once people get over the she is not Biden bit and look at and get to know her, those numbers will go down.

[B]The interesting angle is who is having the biggest gripes about her and from what I saw it is the blacks.[/b] Those passages I quoted to Xpartan were from BLM. Black commentators are saying she is not African American. Her black skin color is from a Jamaican father who was absent a lot of the time she was growing own. Kamala did not grow up in the hood but with a single Indian mother. So this is Barack 2. 0. In fact, her parents were both professors and one was at Stanford. If you talk about white privilege, Kamala may as well have been white with that pedigree and upbringing.

Dems like Schumer and Jeffries are out lying saying that this was a bottom up versus top down process. You have to be the biggest douche alive to buy that. Kamala was not the best candidate but may have access to that Biden money, and the money trail is showing that this bottom up process is bullshit.

[URL]https://x.com/TonySeruga[/URL]

I'm told Harris campaign is already using ActBlue money laundering scheme, $20 million from Johann Georg Wyss known as Hansjrg Wyss, born 19 September 1935, a Swiss billionaire, and was broken down into over 1,600,000 donations across 400,000 donors. Dirty! Dirty! Dirty!

Then you have James O'Keefe knocking on the doors of Democratic donors asking if they have donated to Act Blue hundreds of time, and many are saying uh, no. [URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/political/funny-money-actblue-accused-massive-money-laundering-operation-trump-files-fec-complaint[/URL].

Dems are already griping they can get no one to volunteer for them because Democratic enthusiasm is at an all time low and normally, I would think this funding thing would be let go in normal times. Maybe the FEC does some fine or something. But with the fucking joke of a process to select Harris and the lawfare campaign against Trump and Biden's completely botched SS job and the Trump assassination, I think judges are going to act.

Republicans are questioning if Biden's jawboning SCOTUS meant that they too would get the shit SS protection like Trump did. [URL]https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4788035-house-republicans-concerns-supreme-court-justices-safety/[/URL].

For the justices, worries came to a head two years ago after the Supreme Court's draft opinion overturning constitutional abortion protections was leaked.

The next month, a man was accused of attempting to murder Justice Brett Kavanaugh for showing up outside his home with a firearm. Congress passed new funding to extend security protections for justices' families, which has since been followed with additional budget requests.

The point is the days of judges turning a blind eye to the horrible wrongs like in 2020 are done. If the judges tie up these bullshit donations and funds in Biden's name, and they can easily do that, Kamala is done.[/QUOTE][B]Donald Trump's Gains With Black Voters Have Been Wiped Out.
July 25, 2024[/B]

[URL]https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-black-voters-gains-wiped-out-1929974[/URL]

[QUOTE]Former president Donald Trump's gains with Black voters have been eroded since Joe Biden dropped out of the 2024 race and Vice President Kamala Harris became the expected Democratic nominee, according to polls.
.........
A CNN poll conducted on July 22 and 23, surveying 1,631 registered voters who had previously participated in CNN polls in April and June, found that Harris had the support of 78 percent of Black voters, while Trump had 15 percent. A previous poll had 23 percent of Black voters backing Trump, while 73 percent backed Biden.

Meanwhile, an ActiVote survey, conducted between July 21 and 23, found Black voters were overwhelmingly backing Harris90 percent said they were supporting Harris, while 10 percent were backing Trump.[/QUOTE]

Well, apparently, none of that is true.

[B]USA Economy grew at a 2.8% pace in the second quarter, much more than expected.[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/25/us-gdp-q2-2024.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]

[QUOTE]Real gross domestic product increased at a 2.8% annualized pace in the second quarter, above the 2.1% forecast.

The personal consumption expenditures price index, a key measure for the Fed, rose 2.6% for the quarter, down from the 3.4% move in Q1. Core PCE prices were up 2.9%, down from 3.7%.

However, the report also indicated that the personal savings rate continues to decelerate, at 3.5% for the quarter, compared with 3.8% in Q1.

Initial jobless claims declined by 10,000, while durable goods orders unexpectedly plunged.
..........
Economic activity in the U.S. was considerably stronger than expected during the second quarter, boosted by a strong consumer, government spending and a sizeable inventory build, according to an initial estimate Thursday from the Commerce Department.

Real gross domestic product, a measure of all the goods and services produced during the April-through-June period, increased at a 2.8% annualized pace adjusted for seasonality and inflation. Economists surveyed by Dow Jones had been looking for growth of 2.1% following a 1.4% rise in the first quarter..[/QUOTE]Thanks, Joe.

I forget. What was happening 4 years ago? Oh, right; Gas prices were lower. Anything else?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2932638]I blazed a path a lot of guys have been following. I was the first on the form openly championing sugar concepts and using [URL]seeking.com[/URL] in Colombia.[/QUOTE]Please, I was was using sugar concepts in the USA for 10 years before I moved out of the USA. Sugar babies are just prostitutes with a different marketing plan.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2932638]I told you that I was going to judge you on what you said and not who you are.[/QUOTE]You are not in the position to judge me or anyone else. When were you appointed to the bench in any mother fucking court?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2932638]And now I am going to have to listen to your idiotic Democratic douche style shit about how pussy does not mean pussy and is does not mean is.[/QUOTE]You don't know my registered political party *****. Bet I can guess which one you are registered to. But I am not going to put it out there because honestly I don't know.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2932638]Putting me down is not going to change anybody's mind about the quality of women you are banging.[/QUOTE]I am not sure if you have a reading compression problem or it just difficulties in mental acuity. You came out of the box with personal insults Elvis. You know it! I didn't even know who the fuck you were. When I posted about my high quality girl in Colombia. Who is not a sugar baby nor sex worker of any kind. You with MiamiBoy as your side kick started up with the "nobody wants to hear about your girlfriend" bullshit.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2932638]Now quitting polluting this forum with your personal shit and keep the Medellin comments in the Medellin forums.[/QUOTE]It is the bullshit you keep writing that is polluting this forum. Think you can tell me where I can post and what I can post? Try this experiment, wish into one had and shit into another and see which one fills up first.

Want to talk politics: [B]Republicans are racist and sexist[/B]. Trump is pandering for the crypto vote and I don't believe for one minute is his going to follow through on anything that would provide less control for himself as President. Crypto clearly does that. But the Democrats have made a clear mistake in judging the power of the "crypto" vote. It is a brilliant political strategy by the republicans. Just saw a article with the headline: [U]Trump raises 4 million in #Bitcoin and crypto[/U].

I am a one issue voter this election. But not because I find any redeeming qualities in the republican candidate for President.

Now stop with all the ad hominem attacks. Adjust your perception and take a step back and get some perspective. I've address this issue with you before. I am addressing it again.

Remember that you have accused me of being a socialist. I am a stone cold capitalist!

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2825778]Does this idiot get the concept of supply and demand or is he another socialist that he thinks that he deserves better service because of his virtue signaling?[/QUOTE]How is your investment portfolio doing? Are the increases due to politics? Has it continued to go up even with the economy under democratic hands?

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2825910]It is very clear to me that you do not understand the most basic aspects of the capital economy. You are comparing a consumer market (buying pussy) to an investment market (real estate, commodities, stock market, bond market). In one (the consumer) burns the money expended in the market. In the other the money is spent with an expectation that they receive an asset and it appreciates in value.

Do you even know what symbols like BTC, ETH, ADA, AAPL DVN, NVDA represent? You know how to calculate the DFC of the projected future cash flows of a real estate investment in order to determine the proper amount to pay for it regardless of demand? Do you know what it actually means to be a capitalist where you buy or start a business, meet a payroll and earn a profit? Or have you been a wage slave your entire life?[/QUOTE]DVN up 65+; AAPL up 51%, MSTR up 108+, BTC up 150%; NVDA up 776%+ since I wrote the above. My gains had nothing to do with any politician in Washington, DC. Everything to do with the recognition of the market of value and quality. Along with my ability to allocate capital correctly. So call me stupid all you want. I am not judging my life by who I stick my dick into or cheering for my team like a cheerleader with poms poms. Take off your skirt [B]Elvis[/B]. It is unbecoming for a man unless it is a kilt.

[B]The defense rests![/B]

[QUOTE=TheCane;2932812]This whole post is disrespectful of American democracy, the rule of law, and the peaceful transfer of power. Those who believe in this "mularkey" as Biden puts it should be ashamed of themselves. Of course, those of us who love this experiment known as the United States of America know they aren't. Making it imperative for a victory at the ballot box. And preparations to see to it that the will of the people is done all over this land! Accept your lose at the ballot box and know when to cede power, as the elder statesman Joe Biden knows how to do. Or else, face the consequences! Federal "pound you in the ass" imprisonment![/QUOTE]Shameful doesn't equate to insurrection. Jan. 6 was shameful and disgraceful, but it wasn't anything close to an insurrection. Unfortunately, Republicans fought fire with fire after last election. 2016, Dems pulled fake Russia conspiracy and then falsely impeached Trump over 100% nonsense. FACT. This broke the trust of Republicans and they had enough and fought back. I am not saying I agreed with everything that happened, just telling you why in my opinion. But you seem like a smart guy, I am sure you already know this, but got to back your boy no matter what.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2932775]Peaceful means violent. Quitting means winning, and getting shot in the ear while running to serve the public as president is unpatriotic. And you guys wonder why I call you Democratic douches. With the way you guys twist words around, I am not sure why you do not think the term Democratic douche is a compliment.[/QUOTE](...kkkk!) You QAnon/MAGA conspiracy dolts, love a good twisted frame-up, as you wet-the-bed, in your conspiratorial wet-dreams.

Biden did NOT quit, he was pushed out, unfortunately by Dems and donors, who unnecessarily panicked. See the difference?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2932138] LOL. I have been using the term Democratic douche for over a year and not been censored. Now some [b]new clown[/b] comes on here and blanks it out. If you do not know the administrators on this site run blue, you have been smoking what Tooms does. Or maybe the administrator was traumatized by Biden's withdrawal and needed a whipping post. If that is the case, I am glad he feels better after employing a favorite leftoid tactic, censorship. [/QUOTE]

Yep, there it is...that Elvis 2008, venom, derision and disrespect, that he prides himself on dishing out to ISG Admin (no less) and his fellow ISGers, with the aim of securing his very own, "Potty Mouth Merit Badge".

You just gotta keep [i][b]"thumbing your nose",[/b][/i] at ISG Administration, with such disrespect, contempt and a sign of impudence, with that "potty mouth" of yours. I hope that the disdain, disrespect and mockery your displaying by "thumbing of the nose" at ISG Administration come with some more [i]"[blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]"[/i] Admin Blue.

Carry on...I'm sure ISG Admin loves being called a clown!

Elvis,

Since when does calling your political opponent (in other words all individuals in the entire world posting on ISG) names qualify as intelligent political debate? Do you think calling people dumb, stupid, democratic douches elevates you and your political views over others. Or does it just make you feel good. Try writing a post or paragraph with more than two sentences without insulting the person you are directing your post at. I have a 100 FRN that says you cannot do it.

[B]Prove me wrong![/B]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2932662]Trump never told anyone to "March peacefully" on January 6, 2021. I have heard and read the statement where here used the word "peacefully" but in no way was he telling anyone to remain peaceful, to demonstrate peacefully or to March peacefully nor would any of his bloodthirsty cult followers have heard it that way, which he well knew.

Do you have a link to the exact quote of Trump telling anyone to "March peacefully" on that day? If so, please post it.[/QUOTE]To be fair, yes, he did use the word "peacefully" in his speech. The question is HOW he used it.

Let's remember, it was a long fucking speech, LOL.

The only reason why this astute moron has (astonishingly) not yet seen the inside of a prison IMHO is that he has smart lawyers. This article explains how he used the word "peacefully" to give his lawyers an opportunity to claim he didn't incite a resurrection.

[QUOTE]Democrats have pointed to one phrase in particular as they argue that Trump incited those present to march down Pennsylvania Avenue toward the Capitol.

"We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore," he said.

His defense lawyers, however, point to a different passage, in which Trump said, "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard." They argue that his words were not a call for actual violence and lawlessness.[/QUOTE]Below is the link to his long, dreadful and nauseating speech. A normal intelligent person (as opposed to a Trump tribe / cult member) won't have a trouble to surmise the actual Trump's message.

[URL]https://www.npr.org/2021/02/10/966396848/read-trumps-jan-6-speech-a-key-part-of-impeachment-trial[/URL]

TL; DR? Don't worry, here is the gist of that "historical" speech.

- Praising supporters.

- Praising himself.

- "Election steal" allegations.

- Veiled threat to Mike Pence.

- Threats against Dems.

- Whining about "RINOs".

- More dumb lies and threats.

- [B]"I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."[/B].

- Lies and bragging (taxes, VA, economic achievements).

- Praising himself.

- Praising supporters.

- Extreme whining and personal attacks (China, media, Hunter, China again, "election steal", Brian Kemp, the Obamas, Bill Barr).

- Endless whining against the Pennsylvania count.

- Wisconsin, Georgia, Stacey Adams, Brian Kemp: whining, personal attacks.

- Whining and false "steal" allegations: Georgia, Fulton County, Arizona, Nevada, Michigan, Dominion Voting Systems.

- Call for the Republicans to "get tougher".

- Another jab at Pence.

- "We won in a landslide. ".

- More whining about "illegal voting".

- "Biden's caravans" are forming" to "rip off our country".

- [B]"And we fight. We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore."[/B].

- "The Democrats are hopeless. ".

- Thank you.

THE END.

Any grownup who's not an idiot and / or liar can't help but make two conclusions: (1) the "marching peacefully" bit was inserted into the speech by Trump's lawyers, and (2) the whole speech is built up to climax at the end ("fight like hell".

There is no other way to read it.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2932772]Its disrespectful and deceitful to even put NAZI and MAGA in the same sentence. Same with Jan. 6, unlawful protest is so clearly not an insurrection. ALLEGED provocative comments is not trying to lynch someone. Democrats lies will be their downfall. Youth sees them as desperate fibbers who are corrupt and power hungry and controlled by big tech and corporate America. They lost my vote for some time to come. Same how republicans lost my vote after terrible Iraq invasion over fake nuke programs.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE] ALLEGED provocative comments is not trying to lynch someone.[/QUOTE]Say what?

In your previous comment you stated (I quote): "When was their an attempt to lynch pence? What was the guy's name who tried to lynch him? This is news to be me. ".

I answered in the best (and I believe the only) possible way.

When?

On January 6, 2021.

What was the "guy's" name?

You know all too well that there wasn't just one guy. Their collective name is MAGA crowd that chanted "hang Mike Pence".

Are you driving at what you perceive a technicality here? Yes, the mob didn't succeed hanging Pence because they didn't manage to catch him, but it was still a very close call.

[QUOTE]Marching on the US Capitol on 6 January 2021, a supporter of Donald Trumps attempt to overturn the 2020 election recorded himself on his phone.

He said: Im telling you, if Pence caved, were gonna drag motherfuckers through the streets. You fucking politicians are gonna get fucking took to the streets.

Mike Pence, Trumps vice-president, refused to stop certification of Joe Bidens victory. In the eyes of Trump and the mob, he did indeed cave.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]On Thursday, in their third hearing, the seven Democrats and two Republicans on the House January 6 committee also displayed a court filing from the Department of Justice revealing the shocking scope of the threat to Pence during the attack on the Capitol.

The document, the California Democrat Pete Aguilar said, explains that a confidential informant in the Proud Boys told the FBI the Proud Boys would have killed Mike Pence if given a chance.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]Approximately 40ft, Aguilar said. Thats all there was: 40ft between the vice-president and the mob. Make no mistake, the vice-presidents life was in danger.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jun/16/mike-pence-40ft-from-mob-january-6[/URL]

So are you trying to tell us that just because the MAGA mob didn't get their hands on Pence, in your mind they didn't try to lynch him?

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2932812]Its disrespectful and deceitful to even put NAZI and MAGA in the same sentence. Same with Jan. 6, unlawful protest is so clearly not an insurrection. [/QUOTE]
(...kkkk!) I see we have yet another, QAnon/MAGA conspiracist in our mist? (....kkkk!)

The Cane, equated (or implied) MAGA-dom with Nazism and Hitler, was IMHO very much spot-on. Your own, QAnon/MAGA and running-mate JD Vance, for fuck-sake, was interviewed saying [i][b]"Trump is an American Hitler"[/b][/i]. Perhaps you should take up your feeble argument with JDV?

The very takeover, destruction and total dismantling of the GOP/RNC and transformed into a fascist party by Trump and family members, is akin to Hitlers and Mussolini rise of fascism amoung their Brownshirts and Blackshirts (respectively) foot soldiers, in Europe at the time. The history is rife with similar parallelisms to MAGA-dom, with people, political figures, pundits and MSM, on multiple occasions, calling Trump a Neo-Nazi sympathizer.

And as for the J6 not being an insurrection (...kkkk!) You QAnon/MAGA conspiracists just love your [i][b]"revisionist history"[/b][/i] and sieve like memories of a goldfish. What's next Santa Clause is a white man? (...kkkk!)

As for being disrespectful...NO NOT ALL! The Cane was spot on, and simply told the TRUTH! In fact, if you truly took the time to know your [b]"American Hitler"[/b], you'd come to agree with The Cane!

[QUOTE=Elvis 2008;2932781] ... The interesting angle is who is having the biggest gripes about her and from what I saw it is the blacks. Those passages I quoted to Xpartan were from BLM.

Black commentators are saying she is not African American. Her black skin color is from a Jamaican father who was absent a lot of the time she was growing own. Kamala did not grow up in the hood but with a single Indian mother. So this is Barack 2. 0. In fact, her parents were both professors and one was at Stanford. If you talk about white privilege, Kamala may as well have been white with that pedigree and upbringing. ... [/QUOTE]

Most definitely Veep Harris has won back whatever small marginal Black voters, Trump may have had. Black voters will undoubtedly vote their conscience and gain back, the kind of political and social relevance that they had 100% under Obama and never saw even 5% under Trump.

Speaking of a really suspect and questionable backgrounds. Trump's Nazi and Neo-Nazi history is laced with troubling exploits, the Repubs overlooked until it was too late!

It was Trump's papa, who was arrested twice (2x) at KKK [i](that would be [b]Ku Klux Klan[/b]...and not me laughing in Porto...kkkk!) [/i]rallies in 1927 and 1976, with history of ties to Nazi Germany, from wince he came. No doubt, papa learned his chants at KKK rallies, of burn the Blacks, Jews and queers (as reported at KKK rallies) from his white supremacist homeland of Nazi Germany, back in the day.[i] (Or did Germany learn it from Americans? Hmmm...)[/i]

Trump has claimed he's never read 'Mein Kampf," (book found at beside by jilted, porn star scorned wife, aside), he has repeatedly, invoked Hitler's name and the title of his memoir at a political rally, but there have been multiple reports over the years of Trump expressing a keen interest in, even admiration for, Hitler's rule over Nazi Germany, just like daddy Trump has told him, many a bedtime story.

[b]Every time Donald Trump has invoked Hitler and the Nazis[/b]
[url]https://forward.com/fast-forward/615880/donald-trump-hitler-nazi-references/[/url]

[i]July 14, 2015: Trump tweets picture with SS soldiers in background
March 8, 2016: Trump responds to Hail Trump calls and Hitler comparisons
January 19, 2017: Sebastian Gorka, top Trump aide, appears on Fox News wearing Nazi gear
2017-2020: Trump compares his crowd turnout to Hitlers (twice)
June 18, 2020: Facebook takes down Trump ad featuring Nazi symbol
November-December, 2023: Ive never read Mein Kampf
March 2024: John Kelly says Trump said Hitler did some good things
May 21, 2024: Unified Reich[/i]

Lets face it yall, your orange MAGA presumptive nominee and pussy grabbing wannabe fascist dictator, loves being compared to, the infamous and nefarious evil tyrants and despots of yesteryear and even some of today's sickos.

Its adorable and yet hideously disturbing, how you QAnon/MAGA cult foot soldiers, constantly and continually try to spread the disinformation about his known and related ties to racism, fascism, the KKK and a Nazi history.

[URL]https://bitcoinmagazine.com/politics/the-future-of-bitcoin-in-america-will-be-decided-at-the-ballot-box[/URL]

The above article lays out the stark contrast on the issue most important to me on the next ballot: Crypto.

Because of Democratic bumbling on the issue I am force to hold my nose and support a party that otherwise is insensitive basic issues important to me many on my fellow americans. A party that welcomes, accepts and support views that are hostile again my fellows american who may not be in the position to reap the benefits of crypto at this time because of economic policies that priority punitive measures against those who are economically self sufficient.

But I have to take care of me before I can take care of others. So, I most vote in my economic self interests. It is horrible to be from a country that only presents you with binary choices a important decision. It is time for third party. A party that in independence of both the donkey and the elephant.

Let us see how many individuals can respond to this post without insults and name calling. In my opinion it does nothing to support your cause, is illogical and put your ideas on mental ignore immediately.

[URL]https://bitcoinmagazine.com/business/trump-calls-bitcoin-experience-eye-opening-its-not-going-away[/URL]

The democrats just keep fucking up on this issue. Democratic supporters up in here need to show me the reason to support their candidate given their hostility to crypto.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2932772]Its disrespectful and deceitful to even put NAZI and MAGA in the same sentence. Same with Jan. 6, unlawful protest is so clearly not an insurrection. ALLEGED provocative comments is not trying to lynch someone. Democrats lies will be their downfall. Youth sees them as desperate fibbers who are corrupt and power hungry and controlled by big tech and corporate America. They lost my vote for some time to come. Same how republicans lost my vote after terrible Iraq invasion over fake nuke programs.[/QUOTE]Bubba is way worse for the American people than Adolph!!

[URL]https://www.nationalreview.com/2024/07/right-and-left-are-wrong-about-j-d-vance/[/URL]

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2932890]Elvis,

Since when does calling your political opponent (in other words all individuals in the entire world posting on ISG) names qualify as intelligent political debate? Do you think calling people dumb, stupid, democratic douches elevates you and your political views over others. Or does it just make you feel good. Try writing a post or paragraph with more than two sentences without insulting the person you are directing your post at. I have a 100 FRN that says you cannot do it.[/QUOTE]I see you're late to the party when it comes to dealing with Elvis. You're wasting your time. I stopped trying to reason and rationalize with these QAnon / MAGA dolts a long time ago. They're not interested in intelligent debate and are quite comfortable in their wilful ignorance. The best thing I can do is join with others to keep them out of office, both high and low, all across this land. Just beat them at the ballot box! That's what must be done.

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/25/opinion/kamala-nomination-democrats.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2932893]To be fair, yes, he did use the word "peacefully" in his speech. The question is HOW he used it.

Let's remember, it was a long fucking speech, LOL.

The only reason why this astute moron has (astonishingly) not yet seen the inside of a prison IMHO is that he has smart lawyers. This article explains how he used the word "peacefully" to give his lawyers an opportunity to claim he didn't incite a resurrection.

Below is the link to his long, dreadful and nauseating speech. A normal intelligent person (as opposed to a Trump tribe / cult member) won't have a trouble to surmise the actual Trump's message.

[URL]https://www.npr.org/2021/02/10/966396848/read-trumps-jan-6-speech-a-key-part-of-impeachment-trial[/URL]

TL; DR? Don't worry, here is the gist of that "historical" speech.

- Praising supporters.

- Praising himself.

- "Election steal" allegations.

- Veiled threat to Mike Pence.

- Threats against Dems.

- Whining about "RINOs".

- More dumb lies and threats.

- [B]"I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."[/B].

- Lies and bragging (taxes, VA, economic achievements).

- Praising himself.

- Praising supporters.

- Extreme whining and personal attacks (China, media, Hunter, China again, "election steal", Brian Kemp, the Obamas, Bill Barr).

- Endless whining against the Pennsylvania count.

- Wisconsin, Georgia, Stacey Adams, Brian Kemp: whining, personal attacks.

- Whining and false "steal" allegations: Georgia, Fulton County, Arizona, Nevada, Michigan, Dominion Voting Systems.

- Call for the Republicans to "get tougher".

- Another jab at Pence.

- "We won in a landslide. ".

- More whining about "illegal voting".

- "Biden's caravans" are forming" to "rip off our country".

- [B]"And we fight. We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore."[/B].

- "The Democrats are hopeless. ".

- Thank you.

THE END.

Any grownup who's not an idiot and / or liar can't help but make two conclusions: (1) the "marching peacefully" bit was inserted into the speech by Trump's lawyers, and (2) the whole speech is built up to climax at the end ("fight like hell".

There is no other way to read it.[/QUOTE]You are right. That is the only quote of Trump using the word "peacefully" in his remarks to his violent Insurrectionists.

Being a passive-aggressive malignant narcissist "with all the best words", Trump knew very well there was absolutely nothing in that statement that could be taken as a "direction" or an "order" for them to actually DO anything "peacefully. ".

"I know you won't eat that last cookie in the jar. ".

"I know you will clean your room while I am at work. ".

Means absolutely nothing and he and they knew it.

"But, mommy, mommy, mommy, you didn't TELL me not to eat that cookie or to clean my room"!

[QUOTE=Spidy;2932888]You just gotta keep "thumbing your nose",at ISG Administration, with such disrespect, contempt and a sign of impudence, with that "potty mouth" of yours. I hope that the disdain, disrespect and mockery your displaying by "thumbing of the nose" at ISG Administration.

Carry on...I'm sure ISG Admin loves being called a clown![/QUOTE]As I have said before, and it seems to be a little lost with you subjective douches types, I judge people on what they do not the label they carry. If an admin blanks out something I have been posting over a year, he is not doing a good job. On the flip side, now that he has seen the term douche being used for years by me and not censored, he has done his job and is allowing it.

I did not take it personally and a good admin is an objective one.

But to a douche like you, an admin marking in blue is some kind of victory. Well, if that is how you judge things, you just lost. I do not take it as a victory. I see it as an admin now doing a good job now and being objective. Unlike you who thinks an admin declares one side as winner, I think of an admin like a ref, and refs should not be siding with anyone.

When I call you all Democratic douches, you can take it personally but it is an objective term. Not everyone who votes Democrat is a douche. The problem is you douches do not think. You just admit whatever idiotic narrative the MSM feeds you. You repeat it and think that makes you smart as opposed to thinking and being critical of it, and this is a textbook example.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2932888](...kkkk!) You QAnon/MAGA conspiracy dolts, love a good twisted frame-up, as you wet-the-bed, in your conspiratorial wet-dreams.

Biden did NOT quit, he was pushed out, unfortunately by Dems and donors, who unnecessarily panicked. See the difference?[/QUOTE]And this is exactly what I mean. The only way to legally remove a duly elected president is via impeachment or the 25th amendment. It is illegal to push out a duly elected nominee as well. You literally are buying the media bullshit that the votes of those in your party do not matter and because you do not read or listen to anything but the MSM bullshit, you are not seeing groups like BLM that are saying this is wrong. You mean are votes do not matter? Only George's Clooney's vote does?

And it is not helping in the sense that we think you all cheated in 2020. Shit, here you all are literally saying votes do not matter.

Here is a novel idea you dumb douche. Don't mention conspiracy nuts and dolts when you dumb Democrats literally had a conspiracy!

But even that does not get to the real issue of why you and Cane are such douches. Instead of manning up and admitting that your prediction of Biden winning as being wrong, you attack me and try to change the subject. Cane with his idiotic notion that Biden is going to win twice and you with your semantic bullshit. Do you understand what happened Elvis? Pathetic.

Tooms was right about the market, and I was wrong. I fessed up to it, but you two act like women and try to deflect it, and that is why you two are soy boys. Like pathetic women, you two cannot admit you were wrong.

So Biden was not forced out and for those of us with thinking brains, we know he had to withdraw and he gave every indication he did not want to. You will swallow the MSM narrative that Biden saw polling saying he could not win and graciously dropped out for the good of American and the party.

Those of us who have followed Biden and know his history are so skeptical that is the reason. What we want to know is this, how much? How much did it cost the Democratic leadership to get Biden out?

So call us conspiracy theorists if you want to, but you are a naive idiot if you think Biden did not get a payout to step down.

LMAO.

We need a really good cut man lolololol.

I used to box in the early 80's I haven't heard that term in probably over 40 yrs lolololol.

[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2024/07/26/carville-democrats-giddy-elation-over-vp-harris-wont-be-helpful-much-longer/[/URL]

Allahu Akbar MOFOS!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2933041]I stopped trying to reason and rationalize with these QAnon / MAGA dolts a long time ago.[/QUOTE]Can you be more specific? Are you referring to when you were wrong and said Biden was going to win the 2024 election when he was still running? Yes, by all mean, your using the terms dolts, QANon, and MAGA when you were dead wrong is what we all expect from a Democratic douche from you.

Or are you talking about the second time you said Biden was going to win the 2024 election? After he quit? Nothing like a bat shit crazy person admitting they are sane and everyone else is crazy.

Nothing says douche more than fucking up and saying you did nothing wrong. You are like the secret service director who quit before she went to Congress. Why are you in Congress so mad at me? You think I screwed up? Really?

Thanks again and again and again, Joe. And thank you, Kamala, for contributing much to the post-Republican National Convention America-hating Clown Show Recovery.

[B]Stocks soar, Dow closes 650 points higher buoyed by bullish inflation report.[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/25/stock-market-today-live-updates.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]

[QUOTE]Stocks jumped Friday, and Wall Street capped off a turbulent week on a positive note as investors weighed fresh U.S. inflation data.

The Dow Jones Industrial Average rallied 654.27 points, or 1.64%, to finish at 40,589.34. The S&P 500 climbed 1.11% to end at 5,459.10, while the Nasdaq Composite gained 1.03% to close at 17,357.88.

Fridays moves stem from a combination of oversold sentiment, a stronger-than-expected GDP report Thursday and the view that the Federal Reserve will begin cutting rates due to economic resilience, said CFRA Researchs Sam Stovall.

Todays benign PCE report helped talk the market off the ledge, he added. With this pullback, the great rotation lives on and breadth continues to be on our side.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2933122]LMAO.

We need a really good cut man lolololol.

I used to box in the early 80's I haven't heard that term in probably over 40 yrs lolololol.

[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2024/07/26/carville-democrats-giddy-elation-over-vp-harris-wont-be-helpful-much-longer/[/URL]

Allahu Akbar MOFOS![/QUOTE]I can't believe it. I agreed with everything Carville said. That is a first! Good link, MDS.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2933127]

Nothing says douche more than fucking up and saying you did nothing wrong. You are like the secret service director who quit before she went to Congress. Why are you in Congress so mad at me? You think I screwed up? Really?[/QUOTE]Is everything OK with you, Elvis? Seriously, are you on something? You know, the way you're forming sentences is a wee bit concerning. After all, aren't you younger than Biden and even Trump?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2933127]Can you be more specific? Are you referring to when you were wrong and said Biden was going to win the 2024 election when he was still running? Yes, by all mean, your using the terms dolts, QANon, and MAGA when you were dead wrong is what we all expect from a Democratic douche from you.

Or are you talking about the second time you said Biden was going to win the 2024 election? After he quit? Nothing like a bat shit crazy person admitting they are sane and everyone else is crazy.

Nothing says douche more than fucking up and saying you did nothing wrong. You are like the secret service director who quit before she went to Congress. Why are you in Congress so mad at me? You think I screwed up? Really?[/QUOTE]I had to take the man for his word. He said he wasn't getting out of the race, and I believed him. But I was smart enough to change my mind and join the growing chorus calling for him to step back since it became obvious he no longer had full command of his faculties. And he was wise enough to do the right thing for country and party. And that's precisely how he wins twice. Once by a direct challenge to Trump in a one-on-one foot race. Then by passing the baton in a second race. Again, you demonstrate your simple mindedness and inability to grasp this reality. And in this lies a perfect example of "specificity" regarding the waste of life debating with your ilk. You don't get it. You don't want to get it. Willful ignorance and mean-spirited stupidity. All I care about is doing what it takes to beat you dolts at the ballot box. Whatever it takes. Just win baby!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2933201]I had to take the man for his word. He said he wasn't getting out of the race, and I believed him. But I was smart enough to change my mind and join the growing chorus calling for him to step back since it became obvious he no longer had full command of his faculties. And he was wise enough to do the right thing for country and party. And that's precisely how he wins twice. Once by a direct challenge to Trump in a one-on-one foot race. Then by passing the baton in a second race. Again, you demonstrate your simple mindedness and inability to grasp this reality. And in this lies a perfect example of "specificity" regarding the waste of life debating with your ilk. You don't get it. You don't want to get it. Willful ignorance and mean-spirited stupidity. All I care about is doing what it takes to beat you dolts at the ballot box. Whatever it takes. Just win baby![/QUOTE]Cane,

Like you, initially, I thought Biden still has it in him at age 81. But after I watched the debate, I was WRONG about Biden's chances of winning, and that's okay that I was wrong. Biden, after talking to his advisers, family and friends came to the conclusion that he needed to move on. And that's someone who's aware of where he is in life. The felon on the other hand, has a more valid reason in staying in, namely prison.

For anyone in MAGA to admit that they're wrong about anything, it would mean the world would collapse on them and fracture their egos.

Normally, in presidential races, after your convention the candidate usually enjoys a few points bump in the polls, which they did for about 2 days. And in fact, after the debate, Biden went from positive to negative for those 4 weeks. Plus add in a point or two for assissination attempt (which I think is horrible that someone did that; no room for that shit at all in politics). So in a single swoop, Biden erased all that momentum in a week worth of renewed enthusiasm, and now it is even or where it was before the debate, with VP announcement and convention still to be had.

Prosecutor V Felon.

I know which side I'm on for this race.

[QUOTE=CheckMate1;2933226]For anyone in MAGA to admit that they're wrong about anything, it would mean the world would collapse on them and fracture their egos. Prosecutor V Felon. I know which side I'm on for this race.[/QUOTE]Plus 1,000 percent!

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2932430]McKinley.

JFK.

RFK.

Ford (twice).

Reagan.

4 times the shooter made a direct hit. 3 times the target victim died.

All had male Directors of the Secret Service. No mention of DEI. No mention of PC. No demands on both sides for anyone to resign.

I wonder if any one of them except Ford would have happily traded their Secret Service protection results over a grazed ear, possibly by glass shards going along for the ride rather than the bullet itself.[/QUOTE]If you have ever did any hiring of people, you can only hire the best people that actually exist, or you can hire down and go the Frito Lays route.

[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/2024-election/2024/07/23/kamala-harris-supporters-fear-democrat-women-losing-elections-causes-ptsd/[/URL]

Losing isn't fair!! They are better than us, they have XY chromosomes LMAO.

I sure hope during the debate if the DNC doesn't hatchet Harris also by then lololol.

Our Lord and Savior says I have 5 kids with 3 wives.

Ask her how many kids she has? Or better yet how kids has she aborted lolol THANK GOD for abortion!

I should run some TV spots asking that question, can I start an ISG gofundme page for donations?

[QUOTE=CheckMate1;2933226]Cane,

Like you, initially, I thought Biden still has it in him at age 81. But after I watched the debate, I was WRONG about Biden's chances of winning, and that's okay that I was wrong. Biden, after talking to his advisers, family and friends came to the conclusion that he needed to move on. And that's someone who's aware of where he is in life. The felon on the other hand, has a more valid reason in staying in, namely prison.
[/QUOTE]Where have you been for 5+ years? I mean Dementia Joe has been Babbling stupid shit for years -- How could you miss that?- did you believe the MSNBC and other scumbag media with their Usually be-S Conspearaceeeeeee. Claims-- -You finally pulled your head out of your ass? But maybe not.

Now the Scumbag media is trying to gaslight everyone about Kamala's border and her Great LOL performance over the last 4 yrs? Are you believing that Bullshit too?? Don't forget Kamala Lied like Hell about Dementia Joe's condition for years too-- Hell she was lying 2 weeks ago.

Why'all are funny with your Trump in Prison Jack -off fantasies too-- How Many times have you beat off to those over the years?

This is a Great Kamala commercial tho [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQI-zna-y7o[/URL].

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2933143]Is everything OK with you, Elvis? Seriously, are you on something? You know, the way you're forming sentences is a wee bit concerning. After all, aren't you younger than Biden and even Trump?[/QUOTE]I think you meant questions not sentences, and I think it might have gotten passed your tiny little brain that I was imitating what the Secret Service Director was asking herself after going before Congress.

To recap, Trump is shot, a huge SS failure. The female head of the SS does not quit, Biden does not fire her, and this woman's boss gives her his full support. She goes before Congress and is stunned when they have it out for her and like a baby, quits the next day. She did not quit because she failed at her job. She quit because people were mean to her.

The analogy is you douches are ALL exactly like her. You are just as fucking clueless. All you douches swore Biden was going to win. You feasted on the media frenzy about Trump and all his legal issues and completely missed Biden's mental and physical state. I posted on here a hilarious Italian comedy skit with Biden falling all over himself and introducing himself to a microphone and saying, "Hi, I am Joe Kennedy. " Here it is again: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApTyNOXUhSk[/URL].

Am I okay? What was your and the response of other douches like you to this? What was your response to Trump's joke routine about how clueless Biden was? It was crickets. You are so screwed in the head you thought Biden was fine. Nothing exists in your noggin unless the MSM says something is true. Then last month, the MSM covers it, and it is crisis mode.

And you are asking me if I am okay? Why are you not asking if Cane is okay when he thinks Biden can win in 2024 when he is not running? Are you okay? Why did you not say jack shit about Biden's mental condition? Are you more demented than he was? Do you know anything about Kamala outside of her having a the after her name or Willie Brown's the in her throat?

I could excuse all this if you volunteered for the Ukraine War and have PTSD. Did you finally stop being a fucking hypocrite cheering on other people being shot at and go there and fight yourself? If not, you are the same stupid patronizing, media narrative guzzling douche you always have been.

If ever there was a time for a douche like you to be eating humble pie, that time is now, but you and the rest of the douches are the same now as ever.

I would ask you who you voted for in 2020 to run the country, and if that person is running the country now, but I am sure you have not even thought about it.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2932430]McKinley.

JFK.

RFK.

Ford (twice).

Reagan.

4 times the shooter made a direct hit. 3 times the target victim died.

All had male Directors of the Secret Service. No mention of DEI. No mention of PC. No demands on both sides for anyone to resign.

I wonder if any one of them except Ford would have happily traded their Secret Service protection results over a grazed ear, possibly by glass shards going along for the ride rather than the bullet itself.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2933277]If you have ever did any hiring of people, you can only hire the best people that actually exist, or you can hire down and go the Frito Lays route.[/QUOTE]Tell us EXACTLY what you know about the hiring of a United States Secret Service special agent candidate and the subsequent training the occurs Federal Law Enforcement Training Center AND James J. Rowley Training Center? I will save you the trouble. You don't know a thing about it. You are just talking out the side of your neck. Because if you did you would understand they a candidate for Special Agent of the United States Secret Service must successfully pass through of the training centers. Then a 1 year on-the-job training program. At least two years of an investigative assignment before being accepted into a protective detail.

Who is going to say that the United States Secret Service agents working that day were not qualified? We have those of lesser intelligence (putting diplomatically) that will say that. But they are only showing their bigotry and ignorance as republicans.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2933201]I had to take the man for his word. He said he wasn't getting out of the race, and I believed him. But I was smart enough to change my mind and join the growing chorus calling for him to step back since it became obvious he no longer had full command of his faculties. And he was wise enough to do the right thing for country and party. And that's precisely how he wins twice. Once by a direct challenge to Trump in a one-on-one foot race. Then by passing the baton in a second race. Again, you demonstrate your simple mindedness and inability to grasp this reality. And in this lies a perfect example of "specificity" regarding the waste of life debating with your ilk. You don't get it. You don't want to get it. Willful ignorance and mean-spirited stupidity. All I care about is doing what it takes to beat you dolts at the ballot box. Whatever it takes. Just win baby![/QUOTE]The only faculties Biden shows signs of having less control over are his brain-to-speech motor skills. Not surprising for a stutterer and someone of his age who experienced 2 brain aneurysms decades ago. The latter factors into the stiff gait as well.

None of that clouds his thinking, comprehension and decision-making abilities, all of which are critical for the job of POTUS. But, yes, he decided it would matter to his ability to campaign more effectively. And, where he saw that mattering the most was in terms of the money / donations that would help down ballot Dems win their races. The necessary factors to practically ensure Biden would win his contest were already well baked in the cake months ago, regardless what the July / pre Repub and Dem Convention polls said. But that is not true for the important down ballot races.

No Repub in the running could have managed as lucid, well-informed and well-articulared hour long, no notes press conference on foreign policy that Biden delivered 2-3 weeks ago. Everything Trump "knows" about NATO he learned from Vladimir Putin and Viktor Orband. He is a total foreign and domestic policy numbskull. It is unimaginable that either Trump or even Nikki Haley Nikki Haley Nikki Haley oh he means Nancy Pelosi and now oh he means Kamala Harris manage that press conference for just 3 minutes before fleeing off the stage.

Nor could or has Trump ever managed to shift side to side reading a teleprompter with a prepared speech on it as smoothly and with as clear understanding and conveyance of every subtle nuance as Biden does to this very day. Someone suffering from senility or dementia simply can not do that. Biden can. Very well indeed. Trump falters at it much more than a little bit.

There never was nor is there to this day any reason for Biden's staff to sound an alarm about Biden's ability to continue doing his job better than any Repub in history ever has and 100 times better than Trump.

I assure everyone that just because Biden once said "Trump" instead of "Harris" after referring to each at least 10,000 times in public statements that Donald Trump was not going to become Biden's new VP on January 20,2025. LOL. Public misstatements like that do not become Executive Office policy. That isn't how it works, folks.

But campaigning for president in ways that could help his party win more House seats in 2024 is a different matter.

And Biden realized he would never overcome Mainstream Media's pro Repub agenda to help Repubs / Trump win elections wherever possible.

LOL. You will rarely if ever hear or read the report of how well Harris is doing with regard to Dem campaign donations or improved poll numbers vs Trump that does not begin with some variation of "Ever since Biden dropped out and endorsed Kamala Harris".

First of all, that intro gives MSM the chance to stick the knife in Biden and twist it one more time. And it subtly furthers the Repub talking point about it being all about how old Biden was and that Harris' "selling points" are only the superficial gender and race / ethnicity factors, as though any younger, female, mixed race candidate is the solution to getting Dem donations and improved poll numbers.

You will rarely and I might go as far as to say never read or hear MSM introducing such a report with "Immediately after that Loony, America-hating Republican National Convention with the blathering, rambling Numbskull potus candidate's grand finale speech" that also coincided with the return of Dem campaign donations and improved poll numbers for their potus candidate.

MSM simply can not bring themselves to draw attention to the latter. Ever. For their agenda, it can never be because their beloved Repubs' historic and recent results are totally fucked up with no sign of them not being worse going forward.

Biden is as perfectly aware of that reality in this election season as he is of everything else.

[I] On day one I will fire Gary Gensler and appoint a new SEC chairman.

Create a US Government strategic national Bitcoin stockpile if elected.

US Government will keep 100% of Bitcoin it owns

Bitcoin is going to the moon.

Never sell your Bitcoin

Bitcoin will one day probably surpass the market cap of Gold.

I reaffirm my pledge to commute Ross Ulbricht's sentence.

There will never be a CBDC while I am President of the United States.

Bitcoin and crypto will skyrocket like never before if elected president.

Bitcoin is not threatening the dollar, the current U.S. government is threatening the dollar.

The United States will be the crypto capital of the planet and the Bitcoin superpower of the world.

Bitcoin stands for freedom, sovereignty, and independence from government coercion and control.

I pledge to the Bitcoin community that the day I take oath of Office, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris' anti-crypto crusade will be over.

@WatcherGuru[/I]

I vote my pocketbook. Crypto is a major part of my investment portfolio. So, I am looking for at least a neutral stance on crypto from the next Administration. Dems are up next on this issue.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2933284]Where have you been for 5+ years? I mean Dementia Joe has been Babbling stupid shit for years -- How could you miss that?- did you believe the MSNBC and other scumbag media with their Usually be-S Conspearaceeeeeee. Claims-- -You finally pulled your head out of your ass? But maybe not.

Now the Scumbag media is trying to gaslight everyone about Kamala's border and her Great LOL performance over the last 4 yrs? Are you believing that Bullshit too?? Don't forget Kamala Lied like Hell about Dementia Joe's condition for years too-- Hell she was lying 2 weeks ago.

Why'all are funny with your Trump in Prison Jack -off fantasies too-- How Many times have you beat off to those over the years?

This is a Great Kamala commercial tho [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQI-zna-y7o[/URL].[/QUOTE]So a "brain dead" Dem has outperformed every Repub so-called president in history, passed more important bipartisan legislation, produced legislation and provided economic stewardship that has created more jobs than all three of the previous Repub so-called presidents combined as well as a sizable chunk of the 4th, actually passed serious decades' long Infrastructure and future computer chip and energy independence legislation vs zero for the previous Repub even when that Repub numbskull's numbskull Party controlled both Houses of Congress, pulled us out of the Repub War in Afghanistan in the safest, least deadly withdrawal from an occupied country by the losing side in Military History, strengthened NATO and the Western Alliance, did not start any new USA war, not only defeated Trump in the 2020 election but defeated him in Trump's New War Against America and American Democracy on American Soil by protecting and defending the Constitution of the United States of America.

And he did that and more for America in just 3 1/2 years without producing one Great Depression, Great Recession, Global Recession, wiping out millions upon millions of jobs, skyrocketing the unemployment rate into double digits, laying the groundwork for, embracing and exacerbating a deadly, global economy and supply-chain destroying and Inflation-triggering Pandemic or any other "Once in 100 Years Disaster" like the ones every Repub searches for and practically all of which Trump created.

Amazing. I'll take that any day over the most "very good brain" Repub that ever lived! LOL.

On Friday RFK Jr. Said, "(W) hen I was a kid, the whole kind of central focus of the Democratic Party was making sure that every American could vote for whoever they wanted to vote for. The Democratic Party today is all about the opposite of that, about making sure that candidates who are going to run against their chosen candidate are — that the legal system, that the law enforcement agencies are used to prevent those candidates from running. They've made it almost impossible for me to get on the ballot in all the states. I am going to. In fact, we have now completed all the signatures. I think we have one state left where we have a couple hundred signatures. We've gotten over 2 million signatures, more signatures than any presidential candidate in history. We've done something nobody in history has been able to do up against these headwinds that they've created for us. They're suing us in all the states, but we're going to win the lawsuits. But it's not a good look for the Democratic Party. They're saying, well, we have to do this in order to save democracy from Donald Trump, but they're actually — the real argument is we're destroying democracy in order to save it. "

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2933309]The only faculties Biden shows signs of having less control over are his brain-to-speech motor skills. Not surprising for a stutterer and someone of his age who experienced 2 brain aneurysms decades ago. The latter factors into the stiff gait as well.

None of that clouds his thinking,(LMAO!!) comprehension and decision-making abilities,(YEP) all of which are critical for the job of POTUS. But, yes, he decided it would matter to his ability to campaign more effectively. And, where he saw that mattering the most was in terms of the money / donations that would help down ballot Dems win their races. The necessary factors to practically ensure Biden would win his contest were already well baked in the cake months ago, regardless what the July / pre Repub and Dem Convention polls said. But that is not true for the important down ballot races.

No Repub in the running could have managed as lucid, well-informed and well-articulared hour long, no notes press conference on foreign policy that Biden delivered 2-3 weeks ago. Everything Trump "knows" about NATO he learned from Vladimir Putin and Viktor Orband. He is a total foreign and domestic policy numbskull. It is unimaginable that either Trump or even Nikki Haley Nikki Haley Nikki Haley oh he means Nancy Pelosi and now oh he means Kamala Harris manage that press conference for just 3 minutes before fleeing off the stage.

Nor could or has Trump ever managed to shift side to side reading a teleprompter with a prepared speech on it as smoothly and with as clear understanding and conveyance of every subtle nuance as Biden does to this very day. Someone suffering from senility or dementia simply can not do that. Biden can. Very well indeed. Trump falters at it much more than a little bit...[/QUOTE]Toomers. GET Off this Page and Get Thee to Washington- You Need to Be Joe's Chief Advisor! You're Wasted here! Quick Call the DNC-- Call KamaLaaaahhhhhh. They Made a Big Mistake-- Joe Can Do It! He is soooooo. Confident-- we need Joe! So what he Shits his pants and Yells at everyone when challenged-- he is really 100% in his brain-- And of course the Economy is soooooooo. Great but everyone is gaslit and imaging it is not.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2933345][I] On day one I will fire Gary Gensler and appoint a new SEC chairman.

Create a US Government strategic national Bitcoin stockpile if elected.

US Government will keep 100% of Bitcoin it owns

Bitcoin is going to the moon.

Never sell your Bitcoin

Bitcoin will one day probably surpass the market cap of Gold.

I reaffirm my pledge to commute Ross Ulbricht's sentence.

There will never be a CBDC while I am President of the United States.

Bitcoin and crypto will skyrocket like never before if elected president.

Bitcoin is not threatening the dollar, the current U.S. government is threatening the dollar.

The United States will be the crypto capital of the planet and the Bitcoin superpower of the world.

Bitcoin stands for freedom, sovereignty, and independence from government coercion and control.

I pledge to the Bitcoin community that the day I take oath of Office, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris' anti-crypto crusade will be over.

@WatcherGuru[/I]

I vote my pocketbook. Crypto is a major part of my investment portfolio. So, I am looking for at least a neutral stance on crypto from the next Administration. Dems are up next on this issue.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-3232145/Video-Secret-Service-agent-struggles-holster-weapon-Trump-shot.html[/URL]

When your child gets brain cancer and has a tumor that needs to be removed I want you to go to the affirmative action candidate.

Ill go to #1 in the class instead, Google Kanye Wests mother, she wanted liposuction, so Oprah told her about some alcoholic she knew in California.

She went to him and he fucking killed her, please goto all the DEI appointees LMAO please I'm begging.

Toomers-- I misspoke --You Should Be VP! And we just need to put Dementia Joe into a Captain Pike type chair (see photo) -.

Then in 2028 Toomers for President.

Toomers-- I misspoke --You Should Be VP! And we just need to put Dementia Joe into a Captain Pike type chair (see photo) -- You Could Help Dementia Joe turn it all around-- Just put a binder together with all your great posts- Everyone would know the truth then!!

Then in 2028 Toomers for President -- That would be Fantastic!! Let's Go Tumour!!

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2933395]On Friday RFK Jr. Said, "(W) hen I was a kid, the whole kind of central focus of the Democratic Party was making sure that every American could vote for whoever they wanted to vote for. The Democratic Party today is all about the opposite of that, about making sure that candidates who are going to run against their chosen candidate are that the legal system, that the law enforcement agencies are used to prevent those candidates from running. They've made it almost impossible for me to get on the ballot in all the states. I am going to. In fact, we have now completed all the signatures. I think we have one state left where we have a couple hundred signatures. We've gotten over 2 million signatures, more signatures than any presidential candidate in history. We've done something nobody in history has been able to do up against these headwinds that they've created for us. They're suing us in all the states, but we're going to win the lawsuits. But it's not a good look for the Democratic Party. They're saying, well, we have to do this in order to save democracy from Donald Trump, but they're actually the real argument is we're destroying democracy in order to save it. "[/QUOTE]Bangkok Bob thinks we shouldn't rehash all the cheating, we should just let bygones be bygones.

[URL]https://jacobin.com/2020/02/bernie-sanders-iowa-caucus-democratic-presidential-primary[/URL]

[URL]https://amgreatness.com/2021/10/31/how-the-2020-election-was-rigged/[/URL]

[URL]https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/07/26/nobody-believes-kamala-will-be-president-not-even-obama/[/URL]

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2933395]On Friday RFK Jr. Said, "(W) hen I was a kid, the whole kind of central focus of the Democratic Party was making sure that every American could vote for whoever they wanted to vote for. The Democratic Party today is all about the opposite of that, about making sure that candidates who are going to run against their chosen candidate are that the legal system, that the law enforcement agencies are used to prevent those candidates from running. They've made it almost impossible for me to get on the ballot in all the states. I am going to. In fact, we have now completed all the signatures. I think we have one state left where we have a couple hundred signatures. We've gotten over 2 million signatures, more signatures than any presidential candidate in history. We've done something nobody in history has been able to do up against these headwinds that they've created for us. They're suing us in all the states, but we're going to win the lawsuits. But it's not a good look for the Democratic Party. They're saying, well, we have to do this in order to save democracy from Donald Trump, but they're actually the real argument is we're destroying democracy in order to save it. "[/QUOTE]So Loony conspiracy theorist RFK Jr is hand-wringing worried about the Democratic Party denying someone their right to vote or have their vote counted, is he?

To recap:

Florida [B]Republican[/B] officials stood by and ignored the blatant Voting Rights Act violations that denied disproportionately high numbers of likely Democratic voters from voting, thereby STEALING the 2000 election for Repub G. W. Bush:

[B]U.S. Commission on Civil Rights.
Voting Irregularities in Florida During the 2000 Presidential Election.[/B]

[URL]https://www.usccr.gov/files/pubs/vote2000/report/exesum.htm[/URL]

[B]Republican[/B] so-called president Donald J. Trump was convicted in a court of law 34 times for conspiracy to commit Election Fraud in a scheme to improperly influence (STEAL) the 2016 presidential election:

[B]Trump is found guilty on 34 felony counts. Read the counts here.[/B]

[URL]https://www.npr.org/2024/05/30/g-s1-1848/trump-hush-money-trial-34-counts[/URL]#text=Jurors%20 in%20 the%20 New%20 York, counts%20 of%20 falsified%20 business%20 records.

[B]Republican[/B] so-called president Donald J. Trump incited a violent mob of Insurrectionists to storm the Capitol in an attempt to overturn a free and fair election and assassinate his VP for failing to violate his Oath of Office and join him in breaking Constitutional law to STEAL the 2020 election:

[B]Trump incited Jan. 6 attack after 'unhinged' White House meeting, panel told.
July 13, 2022[/B]

[URL]https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/us-capitol-riot-probe-turns-focus-trump-allies-extremist-groups-2022-07-12/[/URL]

[B]U.S. Congress.
The Republicans who voted to overturn the election.
Reuters asked the 147 lawmakers who voted to overturn the U.S. election if they believed Donald Trump lost the presidency because of election fraud. Most dodged the question.[/B]

[URL]https://www.reuters.com/graphics/USA-TRUMP/LAWMAKERS/xegpbedzdvq/[/URL]

Wrong Way RFK has obviously been updated on the latest Trump / Republican Party Election THIEVES' campaign talking points in those secret phone calls with Donny-boy. You know, the usual Republican projection claims that turn out to be Trump / Republican confessions and admissions rather than substantiated accusations.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2933406]Toomers. GET Off this Page and Get Thee to Washington- You Need to Be Joe's Chief Advisor! You're Wasted here! Quick Call the DNC-- Call KamaLaaaahhhhhh. They Made a Big Mistake-- Joe Can Do It! He is soooooo. Confident-- we need Joe! So what he Shits his pants and Yells at everyone when challenged-- he is really 100% in his brain-- And of course the Economy is soooooooo. Great but everyone is gaslit and imaging it is not.[/QUOTE]The reason I call them Democratic douches is all they do is suck in the mainstream media narratives and think intelligence is regurgitating them.

Tooms may be the worse douche in the sense that anytime the MSM says anything bad about a Democrat, no matter how true it is, he puts them down and calls them Republican or a bothsider.

Zero hedge had an article where someone in the comments section said Kamala had a rally and like 68 people showed up, so yeah, she may be better than Biden in the polls but that is if Democrats get out and vote for her, and they do not seem to be very interested in doing so.

And with Trump, the MSM does it all can to take the worst of his sound bites. Nowhere did you see did the MSM show Trump's comedy routine about how Biden does not know how to get off stage. In the debate, they handled that problem by surrounding him with three people.

You got these douches predicting that Harris is going to win. Outside of saying Trump sucks, they have nothing.

And then you see Trump do his thing here: [URL]https://modernity.news/2024/07/27/trump-biden-was-ousted-in-a-fascist-coup/[/URL].

The transcript is good, but the video is better. He destroys the Democrats and Harris in less than 45 seconds and had me laughing when he was doing so.

And of all the stupid shit to be concerned, we hear this crap about her name. Yes, that is what Kamala cares most about. She has had three years as VP to make sure people said her name right but now that she is a REAL presidential candidate, she is going to make sure we get her name right. How fucking stupid is that?

We got people loaded with credit card debt at an time high, immigrants illegally pouring in, young adults cannot afford housing, and the first thing this witch cares about how her name is pronounced? Shit, the Dems should be bring back Biden. At least he could blame his stupidity on his age.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2933406]Toomers. GET Off this Page and Get Thee to Washington- You Need to Be Joe's Chief Advisor! You're Wasted here! Quick Call the DNC-- Call KamaLaaaahhhhhh. They Made a Big Mistake-- Joe Can Do It! He is soooooo. Confident-- we need Joe! So what he Shits his pants and Yells at everyone when challenged-- he is really 100% in his brain-- And of course the Economy is soooooooo. Great but everyone is gaslit and imaging it is not.[/QUOTE]So now a "brain dead" Dem who "Shits his pants and Yells at everyone when challenged" not only ties in a Toss-Up the Convicted Felon Repub Candidate who claims to have been handed and then destroyed, oh I mean lied that he created the Greatest Economy Ever on most issues, but actually BEAT him this very month among Americans Who Are Completely Certain They Will Vote who admit their #1 concern is, drum roll please, The Economy! And their #2 conern is Trump's Pandemic Inflation.

[B]Latest U.S. opinion polls
These are the latest results of U.S. opinion polls on voting intention, economic attitudes, consumer behavior and more.
July 2, 2024[/B]

[URL]https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/latest-us-opinion-polls[/URL]

Mind you, this was after the Presidential Debate Quiz Show but before the Repub / Trump America Sucks Festival of America-Hating Lies Convention culminating with the most incoherent, blithering, rambling pack of Relub Lies yet by their Repub candidate.

Please continue to remind us of the many shitty attributes and even shittier actual results of your boy Donny's term as so-called president such that a "brain dead pants shitting vegetable" like Joe Biden out performed him on every important factor and was still well positioned by current +/-MoE polling and 164 years of detailed historical precedent to easily win a 2nd Term. LOL.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2933298]I think you meant questions not sentences, and I think it might have gotten passed your tiny little brain that I was imitating what the Secret Service Director was asking herself after going before Congress.[/QUOTE]A question, of course, is a sentence too, but not knowing that is the least of your problems. My concern was that, unfortunately, you're writing the same way a 5-year old is talking. That might be quite normal for Trump's cult members, but still not the norm (yet!) for general population.

And one more thing. You might feel that being incessantly wordy without actually saying anything is a form of art, but it isn't. By reducing your quote to one short paragraph, I captured everything you wanted to say in your "essay": Your misunderstanding of syntax rules, followed by your cheap shot at my mental acuity, followed by your brief explanation of what you'd actually meant in your previous post.

You're welcome!

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2933507]The reason I call them Democratic douches is all they do is suck in the mainstream media narratives and think intelligence is regurgitating them.

Tooms may be the worse douche in the sense that anytime the MSM says anything bad about a Democrat, no matter how true it is, he puts them down and calls them Republican or a bothsider.

Zero hedge had an article where someone in the comments section said Kamala had a rally and like 68 people showed up, so yeah, she may be better than Biden in the polls but that is if Democrats get out and vote for her, and they do not seem to be very interested in doing so..[/QUOTE]Elvis, you have mentioned this multiple times so I have to ask; is Repub Donald Trump's derision and mockery of President Joe Biden the extent of his economic and national security plans for his 2nd horrible term?

Does he mention anything specific of, oh you know, substance at these derisive mockery "comedy" rallies you wish Mainstreeam Media would feature on their news programs?

LOL. Of course, it is hilarious that you don't realize how helpful to his chances of winning it has been that typically pro Repub Mainstream Media don't feature that crap.

I wholeheartedly wish MSM had been running every Trump rally in its entirety for the past 9 years. And with plenty of pan shots of his cult followers in the audience. Whoo boy! If they had, I seriously doubt he would have gotten more votes than the number of loons who attend his rallies.

BTW, does Trump at least admit at his rallies that his specific economic plans for a 2nd term would jack up Inflation higher and longer than his Trump's Pandemic did?

[B]Economists Say Inflation Would Be Worse Under Trump Than Biden.
In a Wall Street Journal survey, economists see Trumps plans to raise tariffs and crack down on illegal immigration as putting upward pressure on prices.[/B]

[URL]https://www.wsj.com/economy/economists-say-inflation-would-be-worse-under-trump-than-biden-263bc900[/URL]

[B]A second Trump term could actually make inflation worse.[/B]

[URL]https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/4681945-the-potential-inflationary-impact-of-a-second-trump-term/[/URL]

[B]Trump 2.0 could be bad news for global inflation, analysts say.[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/16/trump-2point0-could-be-bad-news-for-global-inflation-analysts-say.html[/URL]#text=A%20 second%20 presidential%20 term%20 for, across%20 the%20 world%2 see%20 analysts%20 warned. ?source=androidappshare.

[QUOTE]A second presidential term for former President Donald Trump could reignite global inflation as his America-first policies drive up costs across the world, analysts warned.

The high tariff, low tax economic agenda, which defined Trumps first term would prove even more damaging this time around, they said, as the inflation mindset remains pervasive.

Compared to 2016, when inflation had been low forever and inflation expectations were low ... 2024, 2025 is going to be very different, Michael Metcalfe told CNBC.[/QUOTE][B]In a Trump win, economists see revived inflation and a more wary Fed.[/B]

[URL]https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/trump-win-economists-see-revived-inflation-more-wary-fed-2024-07-25/[/URL]

[B]Trump's policies in a second term would be 'substantially inflationary,' Larry Summers says.[/B]

[URL]https://www.morningstar.com/news/marketwatch/20240605772/trumps-policies-in-a-second-term-would-be-substantially-inflationary-larry-summers-says[/URL]

I assume that critical and substantive info isn't part of Trump's derision and mockery "comedy" at his rallies, right?

Elvis challenges. He forces you to think. Every nook and cranny he forces you to support you point of view. Annoying maybe, but that isn't a bad thing.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2933602]Elvis, you have mentioned this multiple times so I have to ask; is Repub Donald Trump's derision and mockery of President Joe Biden the extent of his economic and national security plans for his 2nd horrible term?

Does he mention anything specific of, oh you know, substance at these derisive mockery "comedy" rallies you wish Mainstreeam Media would feature on their news programs?[/QUOTE]Obviously, you have not watched it or you would be afraid of it. The comedy routine is about winning the election not governing and if you saw it and the reaction to it, you would be worried about that more than the polls you are following daily. You and the entire MSM ignored the Italian comedy sketch until the debate and your lies fell on deaf ears then. "It was one bad night". Yeah, then how come the Italians had Biden pegged dead to rights in their skit months before?

And let's do the but Trump thing you douches do so often. Where is the Harris economic plan? All I see is instructions on how to pronounce her name and covering up her role as border czar.

If you were not so Biden good and Trump bad and had an objective cell in your body, you would see that Trump and Biden were very similar in their policies. Both were big spenders and big into tariffs. The big difference was Biden did a stimulus when it was not needed and has thrown huge money at this carbon neutral green energy crap. He has also loaded up expenses with those flocking in over the border and thrown money at pointless wars. But in reality, I think their economic plans were much the same, borrow and spend.

Trump wants to reduce inflation with drill, baby, drill. Energy prices affect so much of inflation that if he succeeds in lowering oil prices, that would be the painless way to tame it. It is easy. Trump also was going through and tossing two regulations for every new one put in. But I am not sure that gets us where we need to be.

Of all the stupid things Biden said, and Lord knows there were a lot, was that government spending does not cause inflation. It does. Unlike Reagan, Trump has not ruffled feathers with talks of government cuts but I suspect he is planning them. One huge move he could make and has hinted at is to end the Ukraine war. He could do that by the USA pulling out of NATO and the huge cost savings associated with doing so. That freaks out all the deep state douches which think NATO is the reason for peace in Europe. It is not.

And then you start pulling out all the unnecessary military bases around the world and quit paying for being the world's cop. That is what it means to be America first. Like China, you trade but do not dominate in a military faction. If you did not notice, Trump was pretty anti-war. Biden tries to brag that no American solider died but American weapons have been killing thousands if not millions.

You cut the deficit down by cutting much of the stupid defense spending, tame inflation with lower oil prices, and then the Fed can look at lowering interest rates which are killing the economy. The only other path to lower interest rates is recession, and some economists say we are there now.

The reason we are in an economic pickle is we did not pay the piper for Covid. Hell, you douches still think all the restrictions were a good idea and in your mind, Fauci, the Chinese, the neonazi CDC, and all the Democratic governors had no role in destroying our economy over the Covid debacle. It was all Trump.

And you see how I said how similar Biden and Trump's economic policies were Tooms? You cannot do that because you do not have one speck of objectivity. With you, it is Biden good, Trump bad when they both were doing the same damned thing.

Yeah, borrow and spend has to stop and cutting costs has to start and cutting spending means sacrifice and is painful. When Reagan did it, the press had a nonstop * fest.

Sorry, I do not understand this post in relationship to mine. It is totally incoherent and has nothing to do with the subject of the quoted response. Unless you are having reading comprehension problems and somehow think crypto has anything to do with protection of a presidential candidate.

I'll just ignore you as I usually do until you have something intelligent to say in this particular thread.

[B]How you like me now?[/B]

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2933460][URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-3232145/Video-Secret-Service-agent-sRtruggles-holster-weapon-Trump-shot.html[/URL]

When your child gets brain cancer and has a tumor that needs to be removed I want you to go to the affirmative action candidate.

Ill go to #1 in the class instead, Google Kanye Wests mother, she wanted liposuction, so Oprah told her about some alcoholic she knew in California.

She went to him and he fucking killed her, please goto all the DEI appointees LMAO please I'm begging.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2933140]I can't believe it. I agreed with everything Carville said. That is a first! Good link, MDS.[/QUOTE]Then you'll love it when pro Trump PACs start running spots explaining how the last thing we need in the "White House" is an anchor baby.

https://www.wired.com/story/far-right-attack-kamala-harris/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uP_YwwwIScU&t=383s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKcWu0tsiZM&t=161s

the Oligarchs knifed Scumbag Joe in the back and he is going to burn it all down on his way out

Allahu Akbar!!!

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2933686]Elvis challenges. He forces you to think. Every nook and cranny he forces you to support you point of view. Annoying maybe, but that isn't a bad thing.[/QUOTE]Did you say it in jest, LOL?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2933704]tame inflation with lower oil prices[/QUOTE]Yep, just snap your fingers and lower oil prices and bang, inflation goes down. You are a true genius.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2933528]A question, of course, is a sentence too, but not knowing that is the least of your problems. My concern was that, unfortunately, you're writing the same way a 5-year old is talking. That might be quite normal for Trump's cult members, but still not the norm (yet!) for general population.

And one more thing. You might feel that being incessantly wordy without actually saying anything is a form of art, but it isn't. By reducing your quote to one short paragraph, I captured everything you wanted to say in your "essay": Your misunderstanding of syntax rules, followed by your cheap shot at my mental acuity, followed by your brief explanation of what you'd actually meant in your previous post.

You're welcome![/QUOTE]Come on man! This is the same obnoxious attack Xpartan has been waging against me for years, and you are censoring my response. Then I got another poster PMing me saying you are a leftie who is biased as hell. This is politics. We argue. We debate. We call each other stupid. The goal is winning the point and that may mean being obnoxious when you win.

When someone makes an obnoxious post towards me, and you just let it sit and censor counterattack, you may as well as just give that poster a thumb's up. What the hell is going on? Who was the old moderator and how do we get him back? Can you stop with this stupid censoring bullshit?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2933704]Obviously, you have not watched it or you would be afraid of it. The comedy routine is about winning the election not governing and if you saw it and the reaction to it, you would be worried about that more than the polls you are following daily. You and the entire MSM ignored the Italian comedy sketch until the debate and your lies fell on deaf ears then. "It was one bad night". Yeah, then how come the Italians had Biden pegged dead to rights in their skit months before?

And let's do the but Trump thing you douches do so often. Where is the Harris economic plan? All I see is instructions on how to pronounce her name and covering up her role as border czar.

If you were not so Biden good and Trump bad and had an objective cell in your body, you would see that Trump and Biden were very similar in their policies. Both were big spenders and big into tariffs. The big difference was Biden did a stimulus when it was not needed and has thrown huge money at this carbon neutral green energy crap. He has also loaded up expenses with those flocking in over the border and thrown money at pointless wars. But in reality, I think their economic plans were much the same, borrow and spend.

Trump wants to reduce inflation with drill, baby, drill. Energy prices affect so much of inflation that if he succeeds in lowering oil prices, that would be the painless way to tame it. It is easy. Trump also was going through and tossing two regulations for every new one put in. But I am not sure that gets us where we need to be.

Of all the stupid things Biden said, and Lord knows there were a lot, was that government spending does not cause inflation. It does. Unlike Reagan, Trump has not ruffled feathers with talks of government cuts but I suspect he is planning them. One huge move he could make and has hinted at is to end the Ukraine war. He could do that by the USA pulling out of NATO and the huge cost savings associated with doing so. That freaks out all the deep state douches which think NATO is the reason for peace in Europe. It is not.

And then you start pulling out all the unnecessary military bases around the world and quit paying for being the world's cop. That is what it means to be America first. Like China, you trade but do not dominate in a military faction. If you did not notice, Trump was pretty anti-war. Biden tries to brag that no American solider died but American weapons have been killing thousands if not millions.

You cut the deficit down by cutting much of the stupid defense spending, tame inflation with lower oil prices, and then the Fed can look at lowering interest rates which are killing the economy. The only other path to lower interest rates is recession, and some economists say we are there now.

The reason we are in an economic pickle is we did not pay the piper for Covid. Hell, you douches still think all the restrictions were a good idea and in your mind, Fauci, the Chinese, the neonazi CDC, and all the Democratic governors had no role in destroying our economy over the Covid debacle. It was all Trump.

And you see how I said how similar Biden and Trump's economic policies were Tooms? You cannot do that because you do not have one speck of objectivity. With you, it is Biden good, Trump bad when they both were doing the same damned thing.

Yeah, borrow and spend has to stop and cutting costs has to start and cutting spending means sacrifice and is painful. When Reagan did it, the press had a nonstop * fest.[/QUOTE]Everybody hears "bothsides" say they love America and want it to succeed. What else are they supposed to say? Although the Trumpist Version of the Repub Party comes pretty damn close to literally saying, "America Sucks"! Probably to impress their Russian campaign benefactors. And probably because they really feel that way as well.

However, there is still only one Party whose policies and stewardship has produced and presided over every Great Depression, Great Recession, Massive Jobs Destruction and NONE of the historic Job Gains, Economic Recoveries, and Economic Expansions of the past 100 years. That would be the Repub Party. And there is no greater Repub Party poster boy for those typical Repub Party results than Donald J. Trump and his one term results.

By stark contrast, only one Party's policies and stewardship has produced every historic Jobs Gains, Economic Recovery and Expansion and NONE of the Great Depressions, Great Recessions and Massive Jobs Destruction of the past 100 years. That would be the Dem Party. And there is no better poster boy for those typical Dem Party results than Joe Biden.

That does not happen because each Party or each Party's President "does the same thing. " Sorry. The critical differences in each might be too subtle and nuanced for any dumb hillbilly Repub / Trump supporter to grasp. But I assure you they are there.

Meanwhile, if you are trying to sell the BS that each Party has this on its agenda for now and the next 4-8 years, good luck with that:

[QUOTE=Elvis 2008;2932628]LOL. Spidy, the reason I call you all Democratic douches is because you all just inhale the government narrative. The worst was with Covid. Hell, you guys still are so dumb to believe Covid was not made in a lab, masks work, social distancing was based on science, and the vaccines worked. ... [/QUOTE] One of the funniest things, I enjoyed during the pandemic, was watching Trump rage against an invisible enemy, in COVID-19...kkkk! And watching Elvis 2008, take up the mantel, and rage against the same invisible conspiratorial COVID, just gets funnier by the minute.

[QUOTE=Elvis 2008;2932138]...And today of all days was the worst day to bring up female leadership. The female director of the SS was getting grilled by all races and sexes of Congressmen. As a former SS agent said, DEI with the SS means DIE.

In fact, it is the most sexist thing in the world to say women prefer female leaders when they don't or say women are pro-abortion when a lot are not, but that is part of being a Soy Boy isn't it? Saying you respect women so much when you do not even fucking listen to them.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Elvis 2008;2933074]...Tooms was right about the market, and I was wrong. I fessed up to it, but you two act like women and try to deflect it, and that is why you two are soy boys. Like pathetic women, you two cannot admit you were wrong. ... [/QUOTE]

For somebody who loves all things COVID-19, how did the fact that [b]women leaders[/b] in the one of the worst crisis, the planet has seen in generations, were the best, most effective leaders and outperformed men by a wide margin?

As the ISG resident conspiratorial INCEL, misogynist and self-appointed COVID-19 expert, one would think, it must really burn you to your core to have already known or to now have been presented with the stark reality that during the COVID-19 pandemic, the leadership of women prevailed with better leadership, stewardship and less lives lost in their respective countries, than that of their male counterparts.

[b]Women Leaders During Crisis: What the Coronavirus Pandemic Has Shown Us About Effective Leadership [/b]
[LIST][i]"The coronavirus pandemic has revealed the best and worst of todays global leaders. During the first year of the COVID-19 pandemic, the United States and other powerful male-led countries had the highest infection rates and death tolls. But other powerful and rich countries that are led by women, such as New Zealand, Germany, and Taiwan contained the spread of the virus. This suggests that during crisis, women can be more effective leaders than men. This article examines ways in which women have effectively managed the pandemic in their country or field, the benefits of diverse leadership, and corresponding COVID-19 data. ..."

[b]"The COVID-19 pandemic has shown that women can be more effective leaders than men. ..."[/b]

[URL]https://www.forbes5.pitt.edu/article/women-leaders-during-crisis-what-coronavirus-pandemic-has-shown-us-about-effective[/URL][/i][/LIST]As the "so called COVID-19 expert", how could it be, that women leaders during a worldwide pandemic crisis, performed better than the men?

How did that fun fact, elude our resident ISG conspiratorial and lover of all things COVID-19?
[LIST][b]PS:[/b] 1. No wonder Trump lost in 2020, as the worst leader on the planet to manage COVID-19, with over a 1/2 million deaths. But fear not, a woman will soon be the next US leader, to govern Americans through a crisis!

2. Chicken-shit Trump won't debate Veep Harris, a women? If Trump is so great...why the chicken-shit coward won't debate a woman?...kkkk![/LIST]

CBPs ability to search travelers phones has received increased scrutiny in recent months. In April, a bipartisan group of senators sent a letter to Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas asking for information on what data the government retains from these searches and how the data is used. [b]"We are concerned that the current policies and practices governing the search of electronic devices at the border constitute a departure from the intended scope and application of border search authority"[/b], Sens. Gary Peters (D-MI), Rand Paul (R-KY), Ron Wyden (D-OR), and Mike Crapo (R-ID) wrote.

Even if either party tries to stack the court. I count on the independent nature of the judicial branch will keep those mother fuckers in the executive and congress in check!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2933727]Your worries are over. This is one hour old. Just came across my desk.

"Customs agents need a warrant to search your phone now / A federal judge ruled that warrantless phone searches at ports of entry violate the Fourth Amendment. ".

[URL]https://www.theverge.com/2024/7/29/24209130/customs-border-protection-unlock-phone-warrant-new-york-jfk[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Huacho;2933767]Yep, just snap your fingers and lower oil prices and bang, inflation goes down. You are a true genius.[/QUOTE]Typical dumb ass douche response. Trump says drill baby drill, and I explain how that might work, and you attack me. Are you so fucking stupid that you have to attack the person as opposed to the idea?

In the mean time, the Biden energy plan was to get in a proxy war with Russia which produces huge amounts of oil, drain the SPR, antagonize American oil companies, suck up to Iran and Venezuela, being told to go fuck yourself by Saudi Arabia, and then throw hundreds of billions down the green energy rabbit hole. To call this a plan is a joke. It is a reactionary, contradictory response that is sucking up to lobbyists and is beyond stupid. What saved us was American oil companies basically deciding Biden was full of hot air and producing oil despite him.

And who said anything about snapping your fingers? I know how capital and time intensive oil production is. Oh, you just were being a douche and made that up. All those drugs you are snorting Huacho is affecting your brain. Another two years and Biden is going to sound coherent next to you.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2933800]One of the funniest things, I enjoyed during the pandemic, was watching Trump rage against an invisible enemy, in COVID-19...kkkk! And watching Elvis 2008, take up the mantel, and rage against the same invisible conspiratorial COVID, just gets funnier by the minute.[/QUOTE]Rage? LOL. 2021 was the most fun year I ever had in my life. Empty airplanes. Dirt cheap resorts. Empty amusement parks. I met my woman that year, and before that, I had epic trips enjoying the most beautiful women put on the market because suddenly they did not have to work, and I posted it in live time. Meanwhile, we had Huacho who just posted here admitting that he locked himself up for years. I raged against the government trying to keep me down while you Democratic douche sheep hibernated in your basement for 2 years. Like I said, you are so stupid you still cannot admit the government was wrong about Covid.

And Soy Boy, giving women what they want versus what they need is what simps do. You pander to women. You tell them it is okay to kill their kids. My gal got pregnant young in her life and being a real Catholic had her child. So instead of being out drinking and partying, she was a mom and a damned good one, and her daughter is pretty, fun, charming, hard working, and smart.

And this is what gets me about you and your stupid "reproductive rights", everyone wants that child. Not only are their people lined up for adoptions, they are all kind of family members looking to move in. I had to pay thousands in legal fees because the parents of the loser father wanted to take the kid.

You talk about "reproductive rights"? What about maternal and paternal rights? It is no wonder why mothers are aborting kids right and left. They do not want douches like you trying to steal their kids or tell their sons it is okay if you want to be a woman and allow their dicks to be cut off.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2933884]Rage? LOL. 2021 was the most fun year I ever had in my life. Empty airplanes. Dirt cheap resorts. Empty amusement parks. I met my woman that year, and before that, I had epic trips enjoying the most beautiful women put on the market because suddenly they did not have to work, and I posted it in live time. Meanwhile, we had Huacho who just posted here admitting that he locked himself up for years. I raged against the government trying to keep me down while you Democratic douche sheep hibernated in your basement for 2 years. Like I said, you are so stupid you still cannot admit the government was wrong about Covid.

And Soy Boy, giving women what they want versus what they need is what simps do. You pander to women. You tell them it is okay to kill their kids. My gal got pregnant young in her life and being a real Catholic had her child. So instead of being out drinking and partying, she was a mom and a damned good one, and her daughter is pretty, fun, charming, hard working, and smart.

And this is what gets me about you and your stupid "reproductive rights", everyone wants that child. Not only are their people lined up for adoptions, they are all kind of family members looking to move in. I had to pay thousands in legal fees because the parents of the loser father wanted to take the kid.

You talk about "reproductive rights"? What about maternal and paternal rights? It is no wonder why mothers are aborting kids right and left. They do not want douches like you trying to steal their kids or tell their sons it is okay if you want to be a woman and allow their dicks to be cut off.[/QUOTE]Its crazy how fast people forget about how wrong Democrats were about Covid and how horrible it was when they locked whole countries down for no reason after they knew the virus was not nearly as dangerous as they had thought and far more contagious and the lockdowns wouldn't prevent the spread anyway. Also pushing the vaccine knowing it was causing blood clots and heart issues and wasn't anywhere near 90% effective. I personally know more people who died of the vaccine from clots than died from the virus. I lied, I know 2 people who died from virus and 2 who died from clots. The ones who died from clots were young healthy guys in their 20's too. Disclaimer, I can't prove it was 100% the vaccine that killed them, but it's just so suspect, I feel strongly it was.

So many people on this board shaming members as killers if they didn't get the vaccine and now we all know it was total bullshit. So much weird stuff around Covid, it really makes you wonder if it wasn't released on purpose by China as a Threat to USA and world to play ball with them. At the very least I feel it was definitely an accidental leak from a lab in Wuhan that just happens to be a Corona virus research facility funded by Fauci. Could all those things a coincidence? I guess they could, but it really makes you think twice about all this.

The inflation caused by the shutdown will take over a decade to even out. I am still feeling that inflation. Crushed the working and lower class in USA.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2933761]Did you say it in jest, LOL?[/QUOTE]I usually disagree with him, but his perspective is very common out there. If you want to hone your skills with responding to it then keep hanging around. It all comes down to how you want to use your time, as all of us only have so many ticks on the clock left.

Earlier this month:

[B]Biden Narrows Gap With Trump in Swing States Despite Debate Loss.
The incumbent trails his GOP rival by just 2 points across key states, a Bloomberg News/Morning Consult poll shows, even as three in 10 Democrats say he should leave the race.
July 6, 2024[/B]

[URL]https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2024-07-06/biden-narrows-trump-s-election-lead-in-key-states-after-debate-poll[/URL]

Today:

[B]Kamala Harris Wipes Out Trumps Swing-State Lead in Election Dead Heat.
The vice president is polling better than Biden was before he dropped out, according to the latest Bloomberg News/Morning Consult survey.
July 31, 2024[/B]

[URL]https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2024-07-30/kamala-harris-erases-trump-s-swing-state-lead-in-2024-election-poll[/URL]

Again, not to take anything away from Harris. She is a fine Dem candidate / nominee.

However, despite typically pro Repub Mainstream Media's insistence on sticking a knife into Trump's previous long time Dem opponent and twisting it whenever possible and their refusal to mention another inconvenient truth about the timing of this latest surge in young voter registration (not necessarily Dem, of course), Dem campaign donations and ongoing improved poll numbers for the Dem candidate, the true and inarguable fact is all those things happened immediately after the conclusion of the Republican National Convention of America-hating Horror Movie Stars, the introduction of a new Repub Weirdo VP, all culminating in the most incoherent blather of an acceptance speech by the World's Most Pathetically Obvious Con Man and Now Multiple Felon.

As predicted. Well, by me, at least.

With more seriously bad news for Trump / Repubs to come that, like the above, was going to happen whether Biden or Harris or any other Dem was the candidate:

- The Democratic National Convrntion.

- Trump's sentencing for his conviction in a court of law on 34 Felony Counts of Conspiracy to Commit Election Fraud in a scheme to improperly influence (STEAL) the 2016 presidential election.

- The 2nd debate, Trump vs any Dem really, but great that it will be vs Harris.

Or.

- Trump hiding in the last stall of the basement Men's Room while the Dem sits for a 90 minute one-on-one tv interview about what a fuck up Trump was in his previous stint as so-called potus, how much better the results were under Biden-Harris and how much better it will continue to be starting January 20 under the next Dem Administration.

Even Abigail Disney could not have ignored this trend and likely would have buckled sometime in the last week.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2933884]Rage? LOL. 2021 was the most fun year I ever had in my life. Empty airplanes. Dirt cheap resorts. Empty amusement parks. I met my woman that year, and before that, I had epic trips enjoying the most beautiful women <SNIP> Meanwhile, we had Huacho who just posted here admitting that he locked himself up for years. I raged against the government trying to keep me down while you Democratic douche sheep hibernated in your basement for 2 years. .[/QUOTE]Hey Elvis, 2021 was a surreal and unique year. I remember it well after suffering through fucking 2020 and being locked out of SE Asia. So, when 2021 finally rolled around and Asia was still closed, I was determined not to let another year go down the toilet and go to waste. I remember driving 30 miles from my home to get the required BS vaccine and then I flew to Brazil for the 1st time. Thank you, President Bolsonaro. You are one of THE GOOD GUYS and I personally know a number of beautiful Brazilian girls who voted for you.

I won't bore you with repeat retellings of my two EPIC 2021 trips. But both trips were amazing and my reports that I posted at the time are in the appropriate threads if anyone cares to take a look. The 1st plane I took down to RJ was around 85% filled, but relatively inexpensive. 5-star & 6-star hotels WERE near empty, very inexpensive, with free hotel room upgrades the rule. Everything was inexpensive, and most importantly, Brazilian girls of the highest quality were super friendly, genuinely happy to meet me, super turned on, AND once again, let me stress this: very inexpensive compared to 2024 prices. It is a case study in Supply & Demand.

MEANWHILE, in USA 2021, people living in cities and states under left wing control lost their freedoms, jobs, and businesses in a politically manufactured tyranny. I was and am fortunate to live in the free state of Florida as opposed to those blue state nightmares run by Democrat Fascists and Idiots. The left loves to smear Governor Ron DeSantis because he is a successful Republican governor and the people of Florida like him. People living in Woke shit can only wish they had a governor as capable as he is. As a matter of fact, record number of Americans are moving out of these shit holes to states like Florida. The left doesn't care. Their disgusting plan is to replace Americans with illegal aliens, give the illegals government subsidies, and then harvest their votes. I call it what it is: treason!

Viva Trump!

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2933936]Its crazy how fast people forget about how wrong Democrats were about Covid and how horrible it was when they locked whole countries down for no reason after they knew the virus was not nearly as dangerous as they had thought and far more contagious and the lockdowns wouldn't prevent the spread anyway. Also pushing the vaccine knowing it was causing blood clots and heart issues and wasn't anywhere near 90% effective. I personally know more people who died of the vaccine from clots than died from the virus. I lied, I know 2 people who died from virus and 2 who died from clots. The ones who died from clots were young healthy guys in their 20's too. Disclaimer, I can't prove it was 100% the vaccine that killed them, but it's just so suspect, I feel strongly it was.

So many people on this board shaming members as killers if they didn't get the vaccine and now we all know it was total bullshit. So much weird stuff around Covid, it really makes you wonder if it wasn't released on purpose by China as a Threat to USA and world to play ball with them. At the very least I feel it was definitely an accidental leak from a lab in Wuhan that just happens to be a Corona virus research facility funded by Fauci. Could all those things a coincidence? I guess they could, but it really makes you think twice about all this.

The inflation caused by the shutdown will take over a decade to even out. I am still feeling that inflation. Crushed the working and lower class in USA.[/QUOTE]I see Revisionist History like this is cropping up again.

A gentle reminder:

[B]Trump administration cut pandemic early warning program in September (2019).
Predict project wound down three months before outbreak.
Project had identified 160 potentially dangerous coronaviruses.[/B]

[URL]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/03/trump-scrapped-pandemic-early-warning-program-system-before-coronavirus[/URL]

[QUOTE]The Trump administration decided to end a $200m early warning program designed to alert it to potential pandemics just three months before it is believed Covid-19 began infecting people in China.[/QUOTE][B]Trump disbanded NSC pandemic unit that experts had praised.[/B]

[URL]https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-ap-top-news-virus-outbreak-barack-obama-public-health-ce014d94b64e98b7203b873e56f80e9a[/URL]

[QUOTE]WASHINGTON (AP) Public health and national security experts shake their heads when President Donald Trump says the coronavirus came out of nowhere and blindsided the world.

Theyve been warning about the next pandemic for years and criticized the Trump administrations decision in 2018 to dismantle a National Security Council directorate at the White House charged with preparing for when, not if, another pandemic would hit the nation.[/QUOTE][B]Bob Woodward Was Stunned By What Trump Told Young Son Barron About Coronavirus.[/B]

[URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/bob-woodward-stunned-trump-told-091902598.html[/URL]

[QUOTE] Trump: "It came out of China. And it shouldve been stopped. And to be honest with you, Barron, they shouldve let it be known it was a problem two months earlier ... the world wouldnt have a problem. We could have stopped it easily".[/QUOTE][B]Government response updates: Trump issues stricter guidelines to stop virus spread
As the president spoke, the Dow closed down almost 3,000 points.[/B]

[URL]https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/white-house-grapples-coronavirus-guidelines-markets-plummet/story?id=69620218[/URL]

[QUOTE]President Donald Trump and his coronavirus task force on Monday issued new, stricter guidelines to stop the spread of the disease, including that states with evidence of community transmission should close bars, restaurants and other indoor and outdoor venues where groups of people congregate.
The new nationwide guidelines also call on Americans to avoid gatherings of more than 10 people; avoid eating and drinking in bars, restaurants, and public food courts; and encouraging schooling from home across the country.[/QUOTE][B]'This is a very bad one': Trump issues new guidelines to stem coronavirus spread.
The president recommended avoiding gatherings of more than 10 people and also urged Americans to avoid eating and drinking at bars and restaurants.[/B]

[URL]https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/16/trump-recommends-avoiding-gatherings-of-more-than-10-people-132323[/URL]

[QUOTE]President Donald Trump on Monday acknowledged the gravity of the coronavirus pandemic, releasing strict new guidelines to limit peoples interactions in an increasingly urgent bid to slow the virus in the next two weeks before U.S. hospitals are overwhelmed.

"We have an invisible enemy, the president said at a news conference, where he released guidelines that called for people to avoid gathering in groups of more than 10 people, steer clear of eating and drinking at bars, restaurants and food courts, and work or attend school from home whenever possible. This is a bad one. This is a very bad one".[/QUOTE]Yep, everything that "Loony, lefty, lib Democrat" Donald J. Trump did and said with regard to his Trump's Pandemic clearly supports the unavoidable and inarguable conclusion that:

No Trump as so-called potus = No Removal of That Early Warning / Pandemic Prevention Team from those Chinese labs and Cuts in the Response System.

No Removal of that Early Warning / Pandemic Prevention Team from those Chinese labs and Cuts in the Response System = Trump's Pandemic's earliest cases could have been alerted to responsible parties "2 months sooner" and No Trump's Pandemic. "Easily. " According to Trump himself.

No Trump's Pandemic = No 1 Million American Deaths, No USA Business and School Closures, No Millions and Millions of Jobs Wiped Out, No Global Supply-Chain Destruction, No Inflation.

See? You guys should have voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016 and worked hard to convince everyone you know to do the same.

[QUOTE=Elvis 2008;2933884]You talk about "reproductive rights"? What about maternal and paternal rights? It is no wonder why mothers are aborting kids right and left. They do not want douches like you trying to steal their kids or tell their sons it is okay if you want to be a woman and allow their dicks to be cut off.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, what about 'em? Why don't you state your case, and "mansplain it", like a good INCEL, He-man woman-hater misogynist?

Oh, BTW, would those be the same [b][i]"maternal and paternal rights",[/i][/b] you Repubs, were trying to endorse, with Herschel Walker?

Can't wait until Veep Harris beats Trump at the ballot-box, to see what crazy insurrection, you Repubs come up with this time and claim you've won an election, where Dems carry the poplar vote by more than 7+ million. Chicken-shit Trump, won't even debate Veep Harris, talk about dickless! (...Well according to Stormy Daniels).

Numskull Trump is already saying, he doesn't need the votes (...kkkk!). Not sure what that means or how he expects to win without votes. But I'll leave that up to you QAnon/MAGA conspiracists!

[b]PS:[/b] Better get use to a women as you leader, it'll sure bring down your blood pressure or NOT! (...kkkk!)

Based on at least 3 recent polls that the demonstrably Winger-leaning RealClearPolitics site factored into their Consensus, Michigan has now been moved from the Repub / Trump / Vance side to the Dem / Harris side on their No Toss-Up States Electoral College Map:

[URL]https://www.realclearpolling.com/maps/president/2024/no-toss-up/electoral-college[/URL]

One down. 2 to go. Plenty of time.

Next up:

- Harris chooses a perfectly competent and fit for office non weirdo VP candidate.

- The normal and pro America, pro democracy, pro business, pro economy Dem National Convention.

- Trump's sentencing for his 34 count Felony Convictions for conspiring to commit Election Fraud in a scheme to improperly influence (STEAL) the 2016 election.

- That 2nd debate that will either have Trump blathering incoherently about topics the moderators did not even ask about or they must send out a search party to locate him in the various basement Men's Room stalls around town.

- More Trump Rallies centered on sharks, Hannibal the Cannibal Lector and a major desperate clean-up on that VP couch sex thingy.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2934003]Hey Elvis, 2021 was a surreal and unique year. I remember it well after suffering through fucking 2020 and being locked out of SE Asia. So, when 2021 finally rolled around and Asia was still closed, I was determined not to let another year go down the toilet and go to waste.

I won't bore you with repeat retellings of my two EPIC 2021 trips. But both trips were amazing and my reports that I posted at the time are in the appropriate threads if anyone cares to take a look. The 1st plane I took down to RJ was around 85% filled, but relatively inexpensive. 5-star & 6-star hotels WERE near empty, very inexpensive, with free hotel room upgrades the rule. Everything was inexpensive, and most importantly, Brazilian girls of the highest quality were super friendly, genuinely happy to meet me, super turned on, AND once again, let me stress this: very inexpensive compared to 2024 prices. It is a case study in Supply & Demand.[/QUOTE]And if I am not mistaken you posted in real time what you were doing. Woodman did. I did and so did a few other guys. Meanwhile, the guys who locked themselves with a virus with a 0. 2% mortality were adhering to social distancing, wearing masks, and chastised people who were skeptical of masks. There was this douche who lectured everyone on Covid after getting it after a vax saying it was only 95% effective. Of course we know now that was the best it ever got as the vaccine offered virtually no protection with time. The vax comments may have been the dumbest of all the Covid comments, and that is saying something.

But economically you print $10 trillion out of thin air and you have inflation? WTF did these people expect to have happen? I have been betting on the inevitable recession due to that money printing and have to had eat crow. I was like why are things so good with so much inflation and higher rates? And I got my answer. The Fed just stop Covid stimulus in the fall of 2023. I was shocked. So that is why things are not looking good now. The Fed finally pulled away the last of the free money.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2934003]HMEANWHILE, in USA 2021, people living in cities and states under left wing control lost their freedoms, jobs, and businesses in a politically manufactured tyranny.[/QUOTE]Yeah, and you would think if anything the chicks guys like us were banging would have woke people up. Instead, I got these douches saying they did not exist. There were two 10's in Brazil I met via seeking I was chatting with and just could not get the time to go down there, so even though I scored huge in Colombia, I am jealous of your trips. Colombian women are the sweetest in the world but Brazilian women perform like no others.

And why would you trust the government and media ever again after the Covid debacle? But that is not where the Democratic douche anger goes. For some reason, they direct it towards us. They liked about Covid and then they lied about Biden's health. How many times does the MSM have to be caught lying until these douches pull their heads out of their asses?

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2934003]Viva Trump![/QUOTE]Yeah, given how the MSM has lied about everything else, you should vote for Trump just because the MSM does not like him.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2934062]Better get use to a women as you leader, it'll sure bring down your blood pressure or NOT! [/QUOTE]This from the douche who said Biden would win.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2934062]Numskull Trump is already saying, he doesn't need the votes (...kkkk!). Not sure what that means or how he expects to win without votes..[/QUOTE]Well, you all won in 2020 without the votes and here we are in 2024 and your candidate has gotten zero votes from the public. So yeah, Trump has already gotten more votes than your candidate. You Democratic douches no longer believe in voting. Maybe we should ask fucking George Clooney who should be president and go from there.

You do not recognize that Harris is the weakest presidential candidate since Romney in 2012. She did not go to UCLA and Stanford law school. She went to Hastings. She failed the bar exam the first time she took it. The Clintons went to Yale. Obama went to Harvard. No bar failings. I would not even say skin color matters because there are other women of color who have much more impressive resumes. So why is Harris even in the conversation? Because she sucked Willie Brown's dick and kissed Joe Biden's ass. Period.

Apparently, Biden was pissed Obama was leading the charge against Biden. The two never liked each other. As you probably do know, Obama did not endorse Harris right away and neither did Biden. In fact, Biden endorsed Harris as the ultimate FU to Obama, and why wouldn't he? She is a horrible candidate and a shitty person. In fact, Biden never liked her. He dumped the border czar job on her to make her look badly.

Then you have this jewel from Matt Taibbi, Editorialists raved about her "charisma" and "forceful personality" and wondered at her unpopularity like a Scooby-Doo mystery, ignoring that she acts like she wouldn't touch a voter with a tweezer and on a good day rambles like Alan Greenspan on ether when unscripted. On bad days (a lot of them out there) she sounds like a drunk trying to explain her way out of a citation.

The "border czar" mess means we're all-in on another "Don't believe your eyes" campaign. This time the game is convincing us Kamala Harris hasn't been a historically disastrous primary candidate who repeatedly inspired public resignations, had an incredible 72 staffers rat her out in just two media profiles as messageless and "abusive," and who just last Friday showed up late for a crucial conference call with 300 donors, inspiring public critique of her performance as "ludicrous. " A week later circumstances have changed so the facts have as well; we're told Kamala's campaign energy is "breathtaking in its velocity," with Gen Z voters already spreading the "Kamalove" among youth who previously felt "left behind by the Democratic party. " Those are "the truths we hold," until someone decides we need new ones. Are you enjoying this era yet?

End of link. How many times are you dumb douches going to fall for this shit? Covid not being from a lab? The vaccine? Biden's health? When are you douches going to wake up and see reality?

She is going to win? How much of this stuff I posted is new to you?

As for the debate, the way Trump is thinking he kicked Biden's ass so badly that he quit, and he does not want that with Harris. He wants her more than Biden. This time, he is waiting until she is locked in first so you douches do not switch out the candidate again after the polling numbers tank. To me, that is smart.

The only chance Harris has is if people do not know who she is. I would not even do the debate if I were her.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2933781]Come on man! This is the same obnoxious attack Xpartan has been waging against me for years, and you are censoring my response. Then I got another poster PMing me saying you are a leftie who is biased as hell. This is politics. We argue. We debate. We call each other stupid. The goal is winning the point and that may mean being obnoxious when you win.

When someone makes an obnoxious post towards me, and you just let it sit and censor counterattack, you may as well as just give that poster a thumb's up. What the hell is going on? Who was the old moderator and how do we get him back? Can you stop with this stupid censoring bullshit?[/QUOTE]I lose comments all the time so maybe they mod is a biased right winger, huh? In all seriousness: even Marquis' veiled calls for a civil war find their ways to these pages. I'm not saying mods never censor, but it's much more likely that your comment was simply lost. And yes, I know this explanation is boring and so contrary to Trump cult members' belief that everything is a left conspiracy against them.

Instead of bitching about something as benign as a lost comment, just say what you've got to say again, and be done with it. If it's your typical long-winded essay, then copy it beforehand. Seriously, this is a bad form.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2934062]Yeah, what about 'em? Why don't you state your case, and "mansplain it", like a good INCEL, He-man woman-hater misogynist?

Oh, BTW, would those be the same [b][i]"maternal and paternal rights",[/i][/b] you Repubs, were trying to endorse, with Herschel Walker?

Can't wait until Veep Harris beats Trump at the ballot-box, to see what crazy insurrection, you Repubs come up with this time and claim you've won an election, where Dems carry the poplar vote by more than 7+ million. Chicken-shit Trump, won't even debate Veep Harris, talk about dickless! (...Well according to Stormy Daniels).

[B]Numskull Trump is already saying, he doesn't need the votes (...kkkk!). Not sure what that means or how he expects to win without votes.[/b] But I'll leave that up to you QAnon/MAGA conspiracists!

[b]PS:[/b] Better get use to a women as you leader, it'll sure bring down your blood pressure or NOT! (...kkkk!)[/QUOTE][B]New Report Details Terrifying Threat of Trumps Election Deniers.
July 29, 2024[/B]

[URL]https://www.yahoo.com/news/report-finds-pro-trump-election-185829649.html[/URL]

[QUOTE]At least 70 pro Donald Trump election denialists are working as election officials in key swing states, according to a report published Monday from Rolling Stone and the right-wing extremism research newsletter American Doom.

Officials who had promoted election conspiracy theories were identified in at least 16 counties in six swing states: Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, North Carolina, and Pennsylvania. These individuals were identified through scouring coverage of refusals to certify 2020 election results and other denialist behavior, as well as sifting through the social media profiles of election officials in these states.

Across these swing states, Trump loyalists stand ready to disrupt the results of democratically held electionsat least 22 of them have already refused or delayed certification in recent years, indicating likely chaos in November.[/QUOTE]You know how this works. Trump / Repub whining and accusations are always projections, confessions and admissions of what he / they are doing. Their recent phony Repub outrage over Dem primary voters supposedly not having their primary votes counted for Biden and only Biden as "undemocratic" was a huge tip off that Repubs are planning another major election steal in November.

Trump's "Stop the Steal" BIG LIE was another huge tip off of Trump's projection and plan for 2020. Killed and maimed a lot of cops over that one.

Trump knows his Loony America-hating, democracy-hating MAGAs installed in those key positions will steal the election for him as the election was stolen for G. W. Bush in 2000 and his 34 Felonies worked to steal the 2016 election for him.

And if their steal gets challenged in the lower courts, no problem, they will just trot it on over to the Loony Repub MAGA 6 on the Supreme Court where they are certain to get the Favorable Trump / Repub ruling they want.

"Undemocratic"? LOL. Repubs can't win the presidency through democratic means and therefore, if they rely on getting the most votes, they can't stack the Supreme Court for undemocratic pro Repub rulings by Loony Repub MAGAs.

Had Florida Repub officials not stolen the 2000 election for G. W. Bush he never would have been in a position to lie America into 2 counterproductive, quagmire Repub wars, run as a self-described Wartime President and thereby squeak out a nominal majority of votes and be handed an even more disastrous 2nd term in 2004. Which would have made it a clean sweep for Dem presidential candidates getting the most votes ever since Reagan's VP Bush was foolishly given "4 More Years" of Reaganomics Gross Economic and Jobs Creation Underperformance relative to the tons and tons of deficit spending Reagan threw at it just to underperform 36 years ago.

That being the case, if only Presidents who got into office by legitimately and democratically winning the majority of the American votes were allowed to nominate Supreme Court Justices I believe there would be exactly ONE Repub Justice on today's Supreme Court; the unprecedented historically corrupt Clarence Thomas! LOL.

Repubs are not into democracy because democracy is simply not into Repubs. As nobody knows better than Donald Trump.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2934228]Instead of bitching about something as benign as a lost comment, just say what you've got to say again, and be done with it.[/QUOTE]Why would you assume it was just one?

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2934228]I lose comments all the time so maybe they mod is a biased right winger, huh? In all seriousness[/QUOTE]I agree with you that the possibility of a biased right winger as mod cannot be taken seriously. Again, you think it is just me griping or maybe me and someone else. It is not. I have had multiple people with our views gripe about the censorship of Republican / conservative voices.

Hell, I could create a leftist alter ego to prove myself right, but I do not have to. I have Spidy.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2934062] and "mansplain it", like a good INCEL, He-man woman-hater misogynist?

Oh, BTW, would those be the same "maternal and paternal rights", you Repubs, were trying to endorse, with Herschel Walker?

Can't wait to see what crazy insurrection, you Repubs come up with this time. Chicken-shit Trump, won't even debate Veep Harris, talk about dickless! (...Well according to Stormy Daniels).

Numskull Trump is already saying, he doesn't need the votes (...kkkk!). But I'll leave that up to you QAnon/MAGA conspiracists!

Better get use to a women as you leader, it'll sure bring down your blood pressure or NOT! [/QUOTE]If I had my way, Xpartan, I would not have a moderator at all, but if you are going to have one, how do you let this pass?

To show you how bad this is, I am going to change Republican to black people. Here is that paragraph.

Maybe you can mansplain it like a good negro, sexless woman hater like all you black men are? Can't wait to see what crazy rebellion you negroes come up with this time. Chicken shit Martin Luther King will not debate J. Edgar Hoover. Talk about dickless. Numbskull MLK is saying he does not need white people. But I will leave that up to all you dumb black people. Better get used to having only white people as politicians, it will get your blood pressure down.

But when I use the objective term Democratic douche, we have to ban that.

The typical Democrat is racist, is sexist, and is prejudice. Democrats are actively racist against white people, and they are actively sexist against men. And they are prejudice against Republicans. Tell the average Democrat that you are Republican, and you are automatically judged as being stupid.

What kills me is this moderator probably thinks like you do Xpartan. He thinks of himself as objective when people on my side are griping like crazy. You are already been making excuses for him.

The truth though is if we are talking about the moderators, it is the same as talking about refs. They should be as invisible as possible and when they are not, they are not doing their job.

Those democratic bitches that hate crypto took a loss a few days ago. SEC threw up their hands and said, [I]no mas, no mas[/I].

[B]Will the republicans follow through on the promises made to the crypto industry and users?[/B] Trump may just be pandering for votes. I don't know. Dey be liars and scammers also. We will see.

[URL]https://cointelegraph.com/news/sec-drops-ruling-request-security-token-claims-binance-lawsuit[/URL]

[QUOTE=Elvis 2008;2933781]Come on man! This is the same obnoxious attack Xpartan has been waging against me for years, and you are censoring my response. Then I got another poster PMing me saying you are a leftie who is biased as hell. This is politics. We argue. We debate. We call each other stupid. The goal is winning the point and that may mean being obnoxious when you win.

When someone makes an obnoxious post towards me, and you just let it sit and censor counterattack, you may as well as just give that poster a thumb's up. What the hell is going on? Who was the old moderator and how do we get him back? Can you stop with this stupid censoring bullshit?[/QUOTE]

Sure was a lotta cheesy sentiment with that whine! (...kkkk!)

I seem to remember Admin censoring just as many Dems as Repubs, in the past (as well as today), that were using the very same vitriol, insults and repeated derogatory comments you're known to use and all sides of the political divide, were all treated fairly by Admin. Now somehow you think YOU, Elvis 2008, should be given preferential treatment??? Pure hubris!

It almost sounded to me, like your bitchng and whining, about the moderator, was you saying, the moderator was some kinda DEI hire? Like you Repubs love to say about people in positions of authority (or power) above you, to make yourselves feel better. And in this case, you're using your [b]Repub DEI rhetoric[/b] to browbeat an ISG moderator.

BTW, it is this sort of disrespect for Admin and the spewing of hate, racism, bigotry, vitriol, persistent use of derogatory comments towards your fellow ISGers...etc, as to why the decline in X (formally Twitter, a site with very little oversight, rules, restrictions or regulations), that has dramatically lost users and traffic (30% year over year) to sites like Reddit (an old school social media platform). Reddit traffic is up 39% year over year in May 2024.

The trend is clear, bad behavior on social media, left unchecked, uncensored or unbridled, is JUST [u]NOT[/u] GOOD FOR BUSINESS!

Get used to being censored and [b]stop being a pussy![/b] It's just like you'll have to get use to a woman president, in Kamala Harris!

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2934097]Based on at least 3 recent polls that the demonstrably Winger-leaning RealClearPolitics site factored into their Consensus, Michigan has now been moved from the Repub / Trump / Vance side to the Dem / Harris side on their No Toss-Up States Electoral College Map:

[URL]https://www.realclearpolling.com/maps/president/2024/no-toss-up/electoral-college[/URL]

One down. 2 to go. Plenty of time.

Next up:

[b]- Harris chooses a perfectly competent and fit for office non weirdo VP candidate.[/b]

- The normal and pro America, pro democracy, pro business, pro economy Dem National Convention.

- Trump's sentencing for his 34 count Felony Convictions for conspiring to commit Election Fraud in a scheme to improperly influence (STEAL) the 2016 election.

- That 2nd debate that will either have Trump blathering incoherently about topics the moderators did not even ask about or they must send out a search party to locate him in the various basement Men's Room stalls around town.

- More Trump Rallies centered on sharks, Hannibal the Cannibal Lector and a major desperate clean-up on that VP couch sex thingy.[/QUOTE]Great news with Michigan. And with Trump and JDV shooting themselves in the foot, trying to come up with cut slogans and insults to throw at Veep Harris, is it any wonder they are losing ground in key battle states.

But speaking of weird and weirdos. What's with JD Vance and his obsession with the personal lives and bodies of American women? The weirdo is a cross between something out of a [b][i]Hitchcock Misogyny Bates Motel[/i] [/b] horror thriller and the [b][i]"INCEL HE-MAN's Woman Haters Club House".[/i] [/b]

Even white women are tuning away from that weird misogynistic mess, they now call a campaign.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2934341]Sure was a lotta cheesy sentiment with that whine! (...kkkk!)

I seem to remember Admin censoring just as many Dems as Repubs, in the past (as well as today), that were using the very same vitriol, insults and repeated derogatory comments you're known to use and all sides of the political divide, were all treated fairly by Admin. Now somehow you think YOU, Elvis 2008, should be given preferential treatment??? Pure hubris![/QUOTE]As I just showed, if that were true, all your posts would be banned. I posted this because of the number of posts the admin was not approving.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2934341]BTW, it is this sort of disrespect for Admin and the spewing of hate, racism, bigotry, vitriol persistent use[/QUOTE]LOL. You Democratic douches are the biggest racists going. How many times have we heard the nonsense that Barack Obama was the first black president? LOL. He is half-white and was raised in a white household. The correct racial term for Obama is not black but mixed.

And we have the same racist crap with Kamala Harris. On her birth certificate, her mother is listed as Caucasian. He father is listed as Jamaican. What you probably do not know is that there are White Jamiacans. In fact, a lot of them are the offspring of slave owners. In short, Jamaican is not black and Kamala's father was mixed (half black and half white) as well, so Kamala is 75% white per HER birth certificate. In fact, she is so white that her father's side of the family owned slaves in Jamaica.

Kamala is in favor of reparations. Well, number one in line should be her.

Historically, my favorite leader was Queen Elizabeth the First. She was the ultimate female leader in that she did not imitate male leadership but embraced her femininity to lead.

Look, the Harris bump is not surprising. She is not giving any interviews and she should not. She is not doing anything but reading off a teleprompter. She should not have rallies. She should continue to play the game where she is whatever you want her to be. She is not Trump and she is not Biden.

But the real reason she should do that is the truth: she is a horrible human being, and she is so stupid. You are as blind to who she is as you were about Biden's health. All you care about is her party affiliation.

I have voted for Obama. I like RFK Jr. You are so prejudice that the adjective you link with Republican is stupid. You are so damned prejudice you do not judge people for who they are. You judge them on how they vote.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2934097]Based on at least 3 recent polls that the demonstrably Winger-leaning RealClearPolitics site factored into their Consensus, Michigan has now been moved from the Repub / Trump / Vance side to the Dem / Harris side on their No Toss-Up States Electoral College Map:

[URL]https://www.realclearpolling.com/maps/president/2024/no-toss-up/electoral-college[/URL]

One down. 2 to go. Plenty of time.[/QUOTE]Tooms, you showed a map where Trump has 297 electoral votes. How is that good news?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2934097]Harris chooses a perfectly competent and fit for office non weirdo VP candidate.[/QUOTE]You mean a white male right?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2934097]Trump's sentencing for his 34 count Felony Convictions for conspiring to commit Election Fraud in a scheme to improperly influence (STEAL) the 2016 election.[/QUOTE]You mean you have not learned that trying to arrest your way to winning has blown up in your face by now?

I think it is funny in that you dumb Dems are missing the biggest weakness with Kamala. Namely, that nobody fucking voted for her. Why the hell is she the nominee? Because she cut deals with delegates?

I read the NYT morning piece and they said Trump had problems. The Trump team did not know how to handle her. They also said Trump had problems in a black town hall type event. When I watched the video, he destroyed the black reporter out for blood, and he got a lot of support from a hostile crowd.

So you can be all excited about the bump. I keep telling you Trump is holding back until she is locked in. He does not want anyone else. Let her get the bump in the polls.

If you have not noticed, Trump is already shown you his game plan. Kamala is using identify politics, and Trump is already saying she is a fraud. One minute, she says she is Indian. The next she says she is black. Her birth certificate says she is 75% white and within her family history, she has white relatives who were slave owners. How is that going to go over well with black voters? That and her jailing so many black men for smoking pot?

Hell, even being a woman which Spidy says I am so afraid of can change. If you are a Democrat, you can change sexes like you can change clothes. Kamala can decide to be a man her first day in office. So if you think you are a voting for a black woman, you are definitely not voting for a black person, and you might not even be voting for a woman.

This is Classic Trump-.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRUaCK0Bgm0[/URL]

Where the Fuck is KaMaLaaaaaaaahhhHHHhhhhhh?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2934414]Tooms, you showed a map where Trump has 297 electoral votes. How is that good news?

You mean a white male right?

You mean you have not learned that trying to arrest your way to winning has blown up in your face by now?

I think it is funny in that you dumb Dems are missing the biggest weakness with Kamala. Namely, that nobody fucking voted for her. Why the hell is she the nominee? Because she cut deals with delegates?

I read the NYT morning piece and they said Trump had problems. The Trump team did not know how to handle her. They also said Trump had problems in a black town hall type event. When I watched the video, he destroyed the black reporter out for blood, and he got a lot of support from a hostile crowd.

So you can be all excited about the bump. I keep telling you Trump is holding back until she is locked in. He does not want anyone else. Let her get the bump in the polls.

If you have not noticed, Trump is already shown you his game plan. Kamala is using identify politics, and Trump is already saying she is a fraud. One minute, she says she is Indian. The next she says she is black. Her birth certificate says she is 75% white and within her family history, she has white relatives who were slave owners. How is that going to go over well with black voters? That and her jailing so many black men for smoking pot?

Hell, even being a woman which Spidy says I am so afraid of can change. If you are a Democrat, you can change sexes like you can change clothes. Kamala can decide to be a man her first day in office. So if you think you are a voting for a black woman, you are definitely not voting for a black person, and you might not even be voting for a woman.[/QUOTE]Oh come on, you can figure that one out on your own, can't you?

Because RCP had Trump at 312 with Michigan on his side in their No Toss-Up States EV Map just a few days ago. Now it's on Harris' side with polling trends looking like Wisconsin is not far behind. And Harris can work a bit more on Pennsylvania.

Actually, even where the polls stood on those 3 decisive states with Biden before he dropped out he likely would have won the necessary 270 and more when you factor in the much greater ground game Biden has been setting up in those and other battleground states for years vs Trump's near zero and the fact that polling methodology has overcorrected and generally been overcounting Repub election strength since the 2020 election (when they were overcounting Dem election strength). Both conditions could easily overcome as much as a 6 point Repub lead in the Consensus. Not insurmountable in the least. And Trump was not as far ahead in the Consensus in those states as 6 points.

The only one obsessed with race, Harris' or anyone else, is Trump. And in a BIG way! He can barely talk about anything else lately.

LOL. Although I must say my favorite part of Trump's disastrous screed at the NABJ was when he totally destroyed his one central campaign argument against Biden's handling of border crossings when he blurted out, "We want people to come. But they have to be checked, they have to be vetted"!

No kidding, Numbskull? That is exactly what Biden has been doing for 3 1/2 years. Only it now takes 6 months to check and vet them instead of 6 weeks because Numbskull Trump decimated the legal Immigration system before he got his ass kicked out of offices.

[B]Biden is trying to fix Trumps broken immigration system.
2/29/2024[/B]

[URL]https://thehill.com/opinion/immigration/4497637-biden-is-trying-to-fix-trumps-broken-immigration-system/[/URL]

[QUOTE]Both President Biden and former President Trump are visiting the U.S.-Mexico border today, where voters will hear dueling messages about what each believes the other one has done or failed to do. As such, it is important to debunk the gargantuan myth of how successful Trump was on the issue of border security and controlling illegal immigration.

Trump was not successful. In fact, he made the issue much worse, decimating the legal immigration system while failing to deter illegal migration.[/QUOTE]That was the challenge Biden faced, the mess Trump left behind, when following his USA Constitutional requirement to "check and vet" Immigrants requesting asylum.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2934426]This is Classic Trump-.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRUaCK0Bgm0[/URL]

Where the Fuck is KaMaLaaaaaaaahhhHHHhhhhhh?[/QUOTE]On a Google Search:

[B] How the Harris Campaign Intends to Keep Up the Momentum in Its Second Week.
July 30, 2024[/B] [URL]https://time.com/7005213/kamala-harris-schedule-georgia-texas/[/URL].

[QUOTE]After a remarkable first week as a presidential candidate in which she pulled even with Donald Trump in polls and injected new enthusiasm into the Democratic Party, Kamala Harris is sprinting to convert the summer-time flush of excitement into votes in November.

The Harris for President campaign is moving quickly to add to the paid staff installed by the Biden campaign across the country, including hiring 150 staffers during the first two weeks of August to deploy in the so-called Blue Wall states of Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin. That would bring Harris total campaign staff in those states to 750 people, up from 600. In Arizona and North Carolina, Harris plans to double the size of her campaign staff, a sign that her strategists believe those states are back in play after some in the party had suggested they had become unwinnable when President Joe Biden was still at the top of the ticket.[/QUOTE]By contrast, after Trump finishes licking his wounds and reassess having destroyed a key campaign talking points re border crossings at that 1 hour scheduled NABJ appearance that went so well his handlers hustled him out of there after just 34 minutes, apparently he will spent valuable time in recovery by shoring up his shaky hold on. Uh. Montana. LOL.

[URL]https://www.donaldjtrump.com/events[/URL]

[QUOTE]President Donald J. Trump to Hold a Rally in Bozeman, Montana.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2934426]This is Classic Trump-.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRUaCK0Bgm0[/URL]

Where the Fuck is KaMaLaaaaaaaahhhHHHhhhhhh?[/QUOTE]In the beginning, you play it as offensive as the Dems do. How dare you say she is not black? Then you see the clips of her saying she is Indian. And then you are well, wait a second, what is on her birth certificate?

And Laura Loomer digs it up, so what do the Democratic douches do? They call her a right wing conspiracy night because she tells the truth. And here is what she posts:

[URL]https://x.com/LauraLoomer/status/1818732213669884124[/URL]

I have a copy of Kamala Harris's at KamalaHarris.

's birth certificate.

Nowhere on her birth certificate does it say that she is BLACK OR AFRICAN.

At KamalaHQ is a liar.

Donald Trump is correct. Kamala Harris is NOT black and never has been.

She is also the descendent of slave owners.

Kamala Harris's four-times-paternal-great-grandfather is a guy named Hamilton Brown. He was born in Co Antrim in 1776, the same year of the US Declaration of Independence. Brown emigrated to Jamaica when it was a British colony, and once he arrived, he became an avid slave owner on the sugar plantations in Jamaica.

Hamilton Brown opposed the abolition of slavery in the British Empire and promoted slavery and slave ownership till the day he died.

And then she posts a copy of her birth certificate.

Now Indian may be a description of how somebody looks, but it is also a country, and what would you call someone light skinned from Pakistan? White right? So you can be from India and be white and you can be from Jamaica and be white too?

So if your mother is 100% white and your father is half white and half black? You are 75% white. Period.

And this bit about her bussing bullshit? OMG. Her father is a professor at Stanford, and her mother is a professor at Canada's version of Harvard, McGill University. So you have two parents as professors and we are supposed to believe that you were bussed like a black person from the ghetto? Please.

You are trying to relate to blacks when you went to high school in white as fuck and safe as fuck Montreal? Double please.

Woodman, people get their genetic testing done and some of the whitest people have a percentage of them that is black. So now we know who Kamala really is, a privileged as fuck white woman trying to come across as a bussed and oppressed black woman from the hood.

And thanks to Trump now, the truth is coming out.

I do not even know what the Democratic douches are going to say. Her own fucking birth certificate shows she is 75% white.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2934513]In the beginning, you play it as offensive as the Dems do. How dare you say she is not black? Then you see the clips of her saying she is Indian. And then you are well, wait a second, what is on her birth certificate?

And Laura Loomer digs it up, so what do the Democratic douches do? They call her a right wing conspiracy night because she tells the truth. And here is what she posts:

[URL]https://x.com/LauraLoomer/status/1818732213669884124[/URL]

I have a copy of Kamala Harris's at KamalaHarris.

's birth certificate.

Nowhere on her birth certificate does it say that she is BLACK OR AFRICAN.

At KamalaHQ is a liar.

Donald Trump is correct. Kamala Harris is NOT black and never has been.

She is also the descendent of slave owners.

Kamala Harris's four-times-paternal-great-grandfather is a guy named Hamilton Brown. He was born in Co Antrim in 1776, the same year of the US Declaration of Independence. Brown emigrated to Jamaica when it was a British colony, and once he arrived, he became an avid slave owner on the sugar plantations in Jamaica.

Hamilton Brown opposed the abolition of slavery in the British Empire and promoted slavery and slave ownership till the day he died.

And then she posts a copy of her birth certificate.

Now Indian may be a description of how somebody looks, but it is also a country, and what would you call someone light skinned from Pakistan? White right? So you can be from India and be white and you can be from Jamaica and be white too?

So if your mother is 100% white and your father is half white and half black? You are 75% white. Period.

And this bit about her bussing bullshit? OMG. Her father is a professor at Stanford, and her mother is a professor at Canada's version of Harvard, McGill University. So you have two parents as professors and we are supposed to believe that you were bussed like a black person from the ghetto? Please.

You are trying to relate to blacks when you went to high school in white as fuck and safe as fuck Montreal? Double please.

Woodman, people get their genetic testing done and some of the whitest people have a percentage of them that is black. So now we know who Kamala really is, a privileged as fuck white woman trying to come across as a bussed and oppressed black woman from the hood.

And thanks to Trump now, the truth is coming out.

I do not even know what the Democratic douches are going to say. Her own fucking birth certificate shows she is 75% white.[/QUOTE]As your link clearly proves (lololol), the Great Race / Ethinicity / Appearance / Religion Detective, Donald J. Trump, is right that nobody in their right mind would ever conclude that Kamala Harris has much if any Black ancestry by simply looking at her father with their lying eyes.

Similar to Barack Obama, who the Great Race / Ethnicity / Appearance / Religion Detective, Donald J. Trump, proved was not born in America and, therefore, both Repub McCain and Repub MittWitt had the election stolen from them:

I forget. At which point in the 2016 and 2020 Presidential Election campaigns did the Great Race / Ethnicity / Appearance / Religion Detective, Donald J. Trump, go on a rant questioning Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden's "whiteness", their birth records, country of origin and so on?

I mean, we all know Detective Trump and his MAGAs are far from racist and absolutely bristle at any such suggestion.

But since it appears Detective Trump has made a pattern, of sorts, of publicly and repeatedly questioning these aspects of certain political adversaries and opponents such as Barack Obama, Kamala Harris, Nikki Hakey (or was it Nancy Pelosi), etc, surely there is a rich historical record of him doing the exact same thing with, oh, Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden. As a matter of unbiased consistency, that is.

Anybody remember when Detective Trump did that during the 2016 and 2020 general election campaign?

Any legitimate real news links will do.

Trump / Vance House of Cards, anyone?

If you listen to the audio of this, you can actually hear the deep sadness in the voice of the demonstrably Winger-leaning RealClearPolitics people on the unpleasant duty to probably take Georgia away from Trump in their No Toss-Up States EV Map and put it back to The Toss-Up category. Which is something they can delay, but not really ignore forever. Man, do they hate that.

Wonder how they will deal with doing the same with Wisconsin, Arizona, Nevada, Pennsylvania, etc after / post that terrific Republican National Convention, the big announcement of hetero-sectional Vance as the VP nominee and Trump's impressive-as-always acceptance speech.

I mean, if they are forced to do that, of course:

[B]RealClearPolitics: Harris Has Put Georgia Back in the Toss-Up Category.
Aug. 1, 2024[/B]

[URL]https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2024/08/01/realclearpolitics_harris_has_put_georgia_back_in_the_toss-up_category.html[/URL]

[QUOTE]Wednesday, on the RealClearPolitics radio show, the gang discussed a new poll from Bloomberg/Morning Consult showing Kamala Harris tied with Donald Trump in Georgia and wonder, in light of Harris hosting a rally in Atlanta this week, whether the state is back in play in the 2024 election.

Donald Trump is up 3.6% in the current RCP average but Tom Bevan notes: "You have to consider this new Bloomberg/Morning Consult poll that has it tied. Emerson has a post-dropout poll at two points, their previous poll had Trump up 10 points. And you've got another Landmark Communication poll that has Trump up one point. So you can't ignore the fact that Georgia is back in the toss-up category."

"Donald Trump and J.D. Vance certainly think it is in play because they're going there this weekend," Carl Cannon added.[/QUOTE]

Well. Now we know what Harris and other Democrats in Biden's circle were "hiding" about his mental state, acuity, cognitive competence and total fitness to serve as one of the Greatest Presidents of the United States of America;.

His perfectly lucid, clear-headed, experience-informed, wise, unprecedented and masterful spearheading, coordinating, guiding and finalizing one of if not THE most complicated and successful release of political prisoners not just since the Cold War but including and prior to the Cold War.

Right up to the hour he dropped out of the 2024 Presidential Election after typically pro Repub Mainstream Media had spent weeks pulling all the stops to mischaracterize his relatively insignificant and minor recent verbal motor skills deficit, if being a contestant on a Presidential Debate Quiz Show but obviously not if performing the duties of POTUS, as the greatest threat to America than Trump's Pandemic. Who, BTW, that same MSM gave a near total pass for creating.

[B]Biden burnishes his legacy with historic prisoner swap.[/B]

[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd1e1ygx7r1o[/URL]

Yeah. Thanks again, Joe.

[B]How about content of character?[/B]

I've had a black President. Never thought I would see that in my lifetime. So, not the streak is broken there is going to be a black face hanging up on the wall under the Lincoln memorial how about we lay that issue to rest. Trump would not be a better person if he was black. It is about strength of character.

If we need a female President I am going to write in AOC for President or Liz Cheney.

You know how sometimes caregivers try to drop gentle hints that things might not be going quite as well as those early X-Rays had suggested in order to ease their patient into a state of relative acceptance before they have to hit them with The Big One?

[B]New Polling Shows that Harris Can't Be Counted Out in PA.
July 1, 2024[/B]

[URL]https://www.realclearpennsylvania.com/articles/2024/08/01/new_polling_shows_that_harris_cant_be_counted_out_in_pa_1048931.html[/URL]

You really need to read that whole article to understand what the demonstrably Winger-leaning RealClearPolitics has understood and been seeing in the internals of the very polls they love to post and factor into their Consensus in order to keep their beloved Trump and other Repubs looking as pretty as possible for as long as possible. Yikes.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2934640][B]How about content of character?[/B]

I've had a black President. Never thought I would see that in my lifetime. So, not the streak is broken there is going to be a black face hanging up on the wall under the Lincoln memorial how about we lay that issue to rest. Trump would not be a better person if he was black. It is about strength of character.

If we need a female President I am going to write in AOC for President or Liz Cheney.[/QUOTE]Hmm. Based on the Trump / MAGA pattern, of sorts, I think we can count on The Great Race / Ethnicity / Appearance / Religion Detective, Donald J. Trump, launching into a very loud and repeated public questioning of AOC's family, bloodline and heritage if any advance warning of write-in votes for her remotely threaten his election win.

But for Liz Cheney? Not so much. Ok, not even a whisper of it for 10 seconds. But Cheney's sexual preference would definitely be up for large-scale MAGA and Winger Media scrutiny and investigation. After all, her first name is kinda' close to the word "Lez", isn't it?

But Detective Trump and his MAGAs are not racists or bigots. As we all know.

[QUOTE=CheckMate1;2934682]Unless you're Robert Downey Jr. , you don't just turn black (Tropic Thunder). That's not a thing.

That doesn't bother me as much as this though.

"A Black job is anybody that has a job. That's what it is. ".

It is quite offensive to suggest that ANY one that has job is a "black" job. How I read into that is, "you people are lucky to have a job to begin with". Yet, it ignores that for generations, the black community has strived forward is so many ways, having justices on the Supreme Courts for decades, a president, congress men and women, surgeons, lawyers, CEO's, olympians, despite confronting constant obstacles throughout their journey.

I am not Black, so I don't know you feel about statement like this. But as someone looking in, I can only see this as an insult and how one man is looking down upon a race of people.[/QUOTE]The Presidency of the United States! Donald Chump is one incredibly ignorant man.

[QUOTE=Elvis 2008;2934408] Look, the Harris bump is not surprising. She is not giving any interviews and she should not. She is not doing anything but reading off a teleprompter. She should not have rallies. She should continue to play the game where she is whatever you want her to be. She is not Trump and she is not Biden.

But the real reason she should do that is the truth: she is a horrible human being, and she is so stupid. You are as blind to who she is as you were about Biden's health. All you care about is her party affiliation. ... [/QUOTE]

Felon, convict and pussy-grabber Trump, has the QAnon/MAGA dolts and MSM, doing exactly what he wants. Which is talking about divisive, non-issue policies and topics that have no real appeal to what the majority of Americans want and really only appeal to his QAnon/MAGA cult base.

But Americans have seen this movie before, and the [b]BUMP[/b] and [b]TREND[/b] in the polls for Harris, is largely due in part to the boring, wearisome, tired repetitive racist and sexist rhetoric, filled with empty campaign promises for Americans, other than tax-cuts for billionaires.

As Trump tried to court the BLACK VOTE at the NABJ, this buffoonery and lack of campaign vision for America (or Black Americans), was all to evident, as the more he opened his mouth, the more racist he became.

If anyone should keep their mouths shut, it's definitely the felon, convict and pussy-grabber, with the Nazi KKK supporter as a father.

Not sure about [i]"...happened to turn black"[/i], but what about [b][i]"Once you go KKK, you can never go BLACK"[/b][/i] (????...kkkk!)

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2934447]... The only one obsessed with race, Harris' or anyone else, is Trump. And in a BIG way! He can barely talk about anything else lately.

LOL. Although I must say my favorite part of Trump's disastrous screed at the NABJ was when he totally destroyed his one central campaign argument against Biden's handling of border crossings when he blurted out, "We want people to come. But they have to be checked, they have to be vetted"!

No kidding, Numbskull? That is exactly what Biden has been doing for 3 1/2 years. Only it now takes 6 months to check and vet them instead of 6 weeks because Numbskull Trump decimated the legal Immigration system before he got his ass kicked out of offices.

[B]Biden is trying to fix Trumps broken immigration system.
2/29/2024[/B]

[URL]https://thehill.com/opinion/immigration/4497637-biden-is-trying-to-fix-trumps-broken-immigration-system/[/URL][/QUOTE]

The interview with NABJ, was just epic! Once again, his inability (or mental incapacity) to answer any meaningful questions, that Americans want their president to address, and turning it into some kind of personal attack on him, is again, just more Trumpism on display.

If it wasn't obvious, Trump came to the NABJ interview, expecting the journalists to bow-down and acquiesce, like his right-wing FOXY Muse and Newsmax flunkies. When they wanted to talk about "real issues", he again made it about how poorly he's treated by "the media", and again evaded the questions.

When he did get around to kinda answering questions, this is an example of the racist, crap that came outta his mouth:
[LIST] NABJ (National Association of Black Journalists) Trump Interview:[i]

[b]Black Journalist[/b] - "Why come here, what is your message today?"
[b]Trump[/b] - "My message is to stop, people from invading our country... a lot of the journalist in this room are black, I will tell you coming from the border are millions and millions of people that happen to taking "Black Jobs"...
[b]Black Journalist[/b] - "What is a Black Job, sir?
[b]Trump[/b] - "A Black Job is any body that has a job"

{...the crowd laughs hysterically, as Trump attempts to backpedal from racist comments...} [/i][/LIST]Is it any wonder why only about 8% of Black voters, traditionally show up to vote for Repubs? And just like the JD Vance's cringy women's rights and single cat-women rhetoric, Americas are turning away from divisive rhetoric and moving more towards not just inclusive speech, but inclusive and cooperative ACTION.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2934611][b]Masterful. Unprecedented. Historic.[/b]

Well. Now we know what Harris and other Democrats in Biden's circle were "hiding" about his mental state, acuity, cognitive competence and total fitness to serve as one of the Greatest Presidents of the United States of America; ...

[B]Biden burnishes his legacy with historic prisoner swap.[/B]

[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd1e1ygx7r1o[/URL]

Yeah. Thanks again, Joe.[/QUOTE]

Perfect example of the sort of presidential ACTIONS, a great president (in Joe Biden) and Veep (in Kamala Harris), have always taken to [b][u]unite[/u] Americans and the country.[/b]

A black job is being President of the United States of America. History has show white men been taking that job from black people in the country throughout history.

[B]ROTFLMAO![/B]

[QUOTE=CheckMate1;2934682]Unless you're Robert Downey Jr. , you don't just turn black (Tropic Thunder). That's not a thing.

That doesn't bother me as much as this though.

"A Black job is anybody that has a job. That's what it is. ".

It is quite offensive to suggest that ANY one that has job is a "black" job. How I read into that is, "you people are lucky to have a job to begin with". Yet, it ignores that for generations, the black community has strived forward is so many ways, having justices on the Supreme Courts for decades, a president, congress men and women, surgeons, lawyers, CEO's, olympians, despite confronting constant obstacles throughout their journey.

I am not Black, so I don't know you feel about statement like this. But as someone looking in, I can only see this as an insult and how one man is looking down upon a race of people.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Spidy;2934707]
Perfect example of the sort of presidential ACTIONS, a great president (in Joe Biden) and Veep (in Kamala Harris), have always taken to [b][u]unite[/u] Americans and the country.[/b][/QUOTE]Are you really this clueless? How the fuck is sending a SWAT team into Mar-A-Lago uniting people?

Trump said black jobs. That is horrible, but sending in a SWAT team to an ex-president's house is okay? Convicting an ex-president of a made up crime is cool? Oh, yeah, that really united the country.

And nothing says uniting the country more than the elites picking out the Democratic candidate and tossing out the wishes of voters.

Presidential actions by the vice president? Really? This is what you posted: Biden is president. I mean Harris. Honestly, I don't know.

You do not even know is making the decisions, but it is all good because in your douche brain, Democratic decisions are always good.

Clearly, you lack even a shred of objectivity, so why would anybody listen to anything you say?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2934724]Are you really this clueless? How the fuck is sending a SWAT team into Mar-A-Lago uniting people?

Trump said black jobs. That is horrible, but sending in a SWAT team to an ex-president's house is okay? Convicting an ex-president of a made up crime is cool? Oh, yeah, that really united the country.

And nothing says uniting the country more than the elites picking out the Democratic candidate and tossing out the wishes of voters.

Presidential actions by the vice president? Really? This is what you posted: Biden is president. I mean Harris. Honestly, I don't know.

You do not even know is making the decisions, but it is all good because in your douche brain, Democratic decisions are always good.

Clearly, you lack even a shred of objectivity, so why would anybody listen to anything you say?[/QUOTE]Just for chuckles, I would love to read whatever nonsense has convinced you that either Joe Biden or Kamala Harris sent a SWAT Team into Mar-a-Lardo.

Link?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2934312]Why would you assume it was just one?[/QUOTE]Because, Elvis, this is what you said in your cry for help: "Come on man! This is the same obnoxious attack Xpartan has been waging against me for years, and you are censoring my response."

I hope you'll agree that the word "response" is singular even if you're accusing me in waging "the attack" against you "for years". And I'm pretty sure that if you bring forward your response again, your post will come through, and I'm all for it.

It might surprise you, but I hate censorship too. However, I'm still quite sure it ain't that, LOL.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2934670]Hmm. Based on the Trump / MAGA pattern, of sorts, I think we can count on The Great Race / Ethnicity / Appearance / Religion Detective, Donald J. Trump, launching into a very loud and repeated public questioning of AOC's family, bloodline and heritage if any advance warning of write-in votes for her remotely threaten his election win.

But for Liz Cheney? Not so much. Ok, not even a whisper of it for 10 seconds. But Cheney's sexual preference would definitely be up for large-scale MAGA and Winger Media scrutiny and investigation. After all, her first name is kinda' close to the word "Lez", isn't it?

But Detective Trump and his MAGAs are not racists or bigots. As we all know.[/QUOTE]Hey Tooms LOL, what's your thoughts on this male boxer in the Olympics knocking out his female opponent in under a minute? Just curious how you justify this from the Democrats who have made the Olympics a political weapon of influence and completely discriminate against anyone who doesn't support their agenda.

A few years ago, they wanted to eliminate the oldest sport in the world from the Olympics which is wrestling and now they have men boxing women. And also banning Russia from the Olympics which contributed immensely to the conflict between east and west.

Real discrimination.

As it stands today, there are finally enough polls on Trump vs Harris Head-to-Head and the 3-5 Ways for polling services like 538 and even the old Nate Silver version of it to come to a Consensus on most issues.

To start, virtually every No Toss-Up States Electoral College Map out there (such as the 270 To Win Consensus Map in the photo below) shows the same thing; if Harris takes WI, MI and PA, she wins 270 Electoral College Votes and the election. Although there are now a few other paths opening up for her to win and / or for her to comfortably win more than 270, but that appears to be the most consistent scenario for her to hit 270.

That being the case, it is worth noting that, as seen in two of my previous posts, even the demonstrably Winger-leaning RealClearPolitics people have already shifted MI from Trump to Harris on their No Toss-Up States EV Map and are reluctantly admitting that PA (and GA) really ought to be taken away from Trump on a No Toss-Up status.

However, it appears those nice folks over at RCP are even more reluctant to actually get around to doing the above and updating their Map accordingly. I suppose it is very hard for them to move their keyboard fingers in the same direction as their minds and mouths. When it comes to disappointing their beloved Trump, that is.

Anyway, meanwhile, the 538 Polling site has finally updated a few key items thus:

- Harris leads Trump in MI.

- Harris leads Trump in PA.

- They say it is too soon for them to come up with a Consensus on WI, but it sure looks to me like Harris is ahead of Trump there a tad as well.

- Also, they say it is too soon to tell for the overall National level. But, there again, it sure looks to me like Harris has edged out Trump there too:

[URL]https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/[/URL]

Now, on the old Nate Silver version of the 538 site (Silver Bulletin), his latest update with the best polls that matter (according to him) show Harris ahead of Trump Nationally and, by golly, of the 9 states he has designated Battleground States, there is Harris in the lead in WI, MI and PA (and VA):

[URL]https://www.natesilver.net/p/nate-silver-2024-president-election-polls-model[/URL]

[URL]https://www.270towin.com/[/URL]

That's all for now, except for Trump keeps repeating that he is "ahead in the polls, by a LOT. " As of today, he is lying about that more than ever. By a LOT, as they say.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2934773]Hey Tooms LOL, what's your thoughts on this male boxer in the Olympics knocking out his female opponent in under a minute? Just curious how you justify this from the Democrats who have made the Olympics a political weapon of influence and completely discriminate against anyone who doesn't support their agenda.

A few years ago, they wanted to eliminate the oldest sport in the world from the Olympics which is wrestling and now they have men boxing women. And also banning Russia from the Olympics which contributed immensely to the conflict between east and west.

Real discrimination.[/QUOTE]I know this is big news in MAGA World and maybe Trump wants to blame Kamala Harris and Taylor Swift for it. But the way you described it does not remotely comport with the known and published facts. Not yet anyway.

These were typical of the results of a Google Search on it:

[B]Who is Imane Khelif? Algerian boxer facing gender outcry had modest success before Olympics.[/B]

[URL]https://apnews.com/article/olympics-2024-imane-khelif-boxing-paris-2eb07d442ffb29a61e09911884dcdaa9[/URL]

[QUOTE]VILLEPINTE, France (AP) Algerian boxer Imane Khelif has landed in the middle of a divide about gender in sports after her Italian competitor, Angela Carini, pulled out seconds into their bout at the Paris Olympics.

Outcry has come from conservatives like former U.S. President Donald Trump and Italian Premier Giorgia Meloni. Khelif was disqualified from the 2023 world championships after failing unspecified and untransparent eligibility tests for womens competition from the now-banned International Boxing Association.
Khelif was assigned female at birth and it says so on her passport, which is the International Olympic Committees threshold for eligibility for boxing because of the rift between the sports governing body and the IOC.[/QUOTE][B]Olympic female boxers are being attacked. Let's just slow down and look at the facts.[/B]

[URL]https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/dan-wolken/2024/08/01/boxers-under-fire-olympic-gender-tests/74634233007/[/URL]

[QUOTE]We know that on Wednesday, the IBA issued a statement saying that Khelif and Lin did not undergo a testosterone examination but failed a separate and recognized test, whereby the specifics remain confidential during the IBA Womens World Boxing Championships in India in March of 2023.
.......
A 2023 story in the Taiwan News at the time of Lins disqualification said no explanation was given other than an abnormality and that she had never failed a gender test in the past. Some contemporaneous news reports around Lins disqualification speculated about women boxers having to take certain medications to adjust their menstrual cycles to match the competition schedule.

Heres something else we also know: The IBA has been in a long-running dispute with the IOC, and as a result, boxings future in the Olympics beyond the Paris Games is up in the air.

Whats the dispute about? In a word: Russia.

When Umar Kremlev became the IBA president in 2020, he made his mark by signing a significant sponsorship deal with Gazprom, Russias state energy supplier. It is understood that Gazprom essentially funded the IBAs entire operation.

Early in 2022, Russia invaded Ukraine. As a result, the IOC wanted the IBA to drop Gazprom and make other reforms to its governance and financial structures and to clean up a bevy of ethical issues.
........
So heres this long-running dispute between the IOC and a fully Russian-backed boxing organization, coming to a head at an Olympics where the Russians are truly personae non gratae.
.........
What else do we know? We know that Khelif and Lin have been competing in this sport for years, including the Olympics three years ago, and were not exactly dominating the competition. Khelif lost in the quarterfinals in Tokyo and Lin lost in the round of 16 of a different weight class. They were also being tested without any issue coming up, until this sudden 2023 test that nobody can really explain.

Amy Broadhurst, an Irish world champion boxer who has been in the ring with Khelif and beaten her, posted on X that, "Personally I don't think she has done anything to 'cheat'. I thinks (sic) it's the way she was born & that's out of her control. The fact that she has been (beaten) by 9 females before says it all."[/QUOTE]Yes, you read that right. If anything, this might turn out to be just another instance where Putin has made his Puppet Trump dance for him as Russia's Most Useful Idiot. " Lolol.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2934745]Just for chuckles, I would love to read whatever nonsense has convinced you that either Joe Biden or Kamala Harris sent a SWAT Team into Mar-a-Lardo.

Link?[/QUOTE]I think 2008 meant Seal Team 6, with help from the Precrime division of the Department of Justice, or was it the Justice League.

It's a rabbit hole that is enlarged by MAGA to see who can dig the deepest.

The former dude had boxes in his BATHROOM. Please don't defend that guy.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2934773]Hey Tooms LOL, what's your thoughts on this male boxer in the Olympics knocking out his female opponent in under a minute? Just curious how you justify this from the Democrats who have made the Olympics a political weapon of influence and completely discriminate against anyone who doesn't support their agenda.

A few years ago, they wanted to eliminate the oldest sport in the world from the Olympics which is wrestling and now they have men boxing women. And also banning Russia from the Olympics which contributed immensely to the conflict between east and west.

Real discrimination.[/QUOTE]Can you (or any other Putin's cocksuckers on this forum) prove that Imane Khelif was born male? If you can, I'll immediately join your discontent, I promise.

Please, take your time.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2934745]Just for chuckles, I would love to read whatever nonsense has convinced you that either Joe Biden or Kamala Harris sent a SWAT Team into Mar-a-Lardo.

Link?[/QUOTE]Biden or Harris? Who is the acting president now?

And your point is just a distraction. If Biden knew about the raid, it is disgusting. If he did not know about it, it is disgusting. If I am president and the FBI does not notify me about a raid of a political opponent, whoever gave the okay is fired. Period. I would demand that the DOJ be kept objective. If I am president, I call Trump myself. I tell him that NARA needs the records. I tell him to have the documents ready within 7 days. If not, I will notify the media of the noncompliance and then and only then say he could receive a SWAT raid.

Why was this done? First off, apparently the FBI had copies of all the records Trump had. So this was not about the government having records but Trump not having them. The other story was the FBI was worried Trump had records embarrassing to the FBI and the top secret thing was all a ruse. That makes sense as to why the FBI did what it did.

As far as the Biden administration being out of the loop, that is a huge stretch to believe. And if they did not know, they should have.

Here is what you want to dispute Tooms: [URL]https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/04/10/report-joe-bidens-white-house-involved-in-raid-on-donald-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence/[/URL].

So get your fact checkers out and say this document proves nothing. What you do not get is no one on our side cares. We all think Biden was in on everything.

President Trump drew Full Capacity crowd with thousands++ Outside-- Didn't Hire rappers, Kid Rock, Hulkster. Didn't give away foodstamps-- -- They just came to see The Man hours early like they always do.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcN9JcYwhNw[/URL]

[B]Race has no place in politics![/B]

The first time I went to the a country on the African Continent the name of the country was South Africa still during the days of Apartheid. When I arrived the customs agent did not tell me I could only operate in the designated homelands. He said, welcome to South Africa you are our guest. So, I am out in the country and I go into the store to buy something and ask for it. The store clerk asks: [I]Are you American?[/I]. They did not say, welcome back my brother.

When I goto Colombia I present a my passport. My passport is issued by the United States of America. They say to me: [I]enjoy your visit[/I].

When I goto the Dominican Republic I present my passport. My passport is issued by the United Staes of America. They say to me: [I]enjoy your visit[/I].

When I return to the United States of America. I present my passport. I get sent to secondary. Not riding dirty so I clear. But I miss my flight. I finally make it to my destination. I collect my bags and exit the airport. First thing I hear is: [I]n***** go home[/I]. [B]Shit! I was born in dis mother fucker. Where am I suppose to go?[/B] Where am I? Pulaski, Tennessee.

Racial division serves the economic interested of the [B]Plutocracy[/B] of the United States of America. Not a means of economic control and suppression (although it does serve that purpose) but as a distraction from the gross inequities of wealth distribution in the United States of America.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2934693]Fixed that for you.

I used to think racist meant discriminating against people on the basis of being race. [b]Now racism is prejudice against white[/b].

Obama is 50% white and is called black.

Kamala is 75% white and is calling herself black.

Elizabeth Warren is 100% white and called herself Native American.

The fact that you Democrats keep lying about race shows you are the racist ones.

And Spidy keep going about my being sexist. How is that even possible when you Democratic douches cannot even define what a woman is?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2934951]Biden or Harris? Who is the acting president now?

And your point is just a distraction. If Biden knew about the raid, it is disgusting. If he did not know about it, it is disgusting. If I am president and the FBI does not notify me about a raid of a political opponent, whoever gave the okay is fired. Period. I would demand that the DOJ be kept objective. If I am president, I call Trump myself. I tell him that NARA needs the records. I tell him to have the documents ready within 7 days. If not, I will notify the media of the noncompliance and then and only then say he could receive a SWAT raid.

Why was this done? First off, apparently the FBI had copies of all the records Trump had. So this was not about the government having records but Trump not having them. The other story was the FBI was worried Trump had records embarrassing to the FBI and the top secret thing was all a ruse. That makes sense as to why the FBI did what it did.

As far as the Biden administration being out of the loop, that is a huge stretch to believe. And if they did not know, they should have.

Here is what you want to dispute Tooms: [URL]https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/04/10/report-joe-bidens-white-house-involved-in-raid-on-donald-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence/[/URL].

So get your fact checkers out and say this document proves nothing. What you do not get is no one on our side cares. We all think Biden was in on everything.[/QUOTE]Ok, we'll take that as No, neither Biden nor Harris sent a SWAT Team to Mar-a-Lardo.

And, technically and literally, it was not a "raid", it was a search:

[B]Why Calling the Mar-a-Lago Search a 'Raid' Is Polarizing 'Disinformation,' in Gov. Ron DeSantis' Own Words.[/B]

[URL]https://people.com/politics/why-calling-mar-a-lago-search-raid-is-misleading-polarizing/[/URL]

And, no, Trump did not die as a result of that FBI search despite his later claim that he only "nearly escaped death". He wasn't even there at the time, according to prior arrangement. And the FBI search followed the same standard procedure followed in the search of Biden's property:

[B]FACT FOCUS: Trump distorts use of deadly force language in FBI document for Mar-a-Lago search.[/B]

[URL]https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-trump-fbi-maralago-search-672e97d19032de0947f108e4911f191e[/URL]

Also, at this point in time, Joe Biden is still the President of the United States of America and still leading, co-ordinating and completing complex, complicated and unprecedentedly successful historic multi-national foreign policy negotiations and accomplishments as well as historic bi-partisan economic achievements no Repub and especially Trump was ever capable of accomplishing.

Meanwhile, VP Harris is involved in those as well but not in the clear and unanimously agreed upon leadership level that Biden is. She splits her time between that and chasing Donald Trump through one typically cowardly Trumpian dodge and Big Lie flaming hoop on the campaign trail. Beating him in the polls on that count, too.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2934958]President Trump drew Full Capacity crowd with thousands++ Outside-- Didn't Hire rappers, Kid Rock, Hulkster. Didn't give away foodstamps-- -- They just came to see The Man hours early like they always do.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcN9JcYwhNw[/URL][/QUOTE]So, now rappers are refusing to appear at Trump's rallies for fear of having to submit their birth certificate, a DNA test, photos of their parents, cranium, facial and body measurement reports to The Great Race / Ethnicity / Appearance / Religion Detective, Donald J. Trump, for his approval?

Are you sure no entertainers were asked to participate just this one time or were there simply no takers willing to show up?

Sad.

Why did Trump spend so much time complaining about the swaths of empty seats in the auditorium if "every seat was filled" as that overly effusive Trump fan boy in your link claimed?

[URL]https://youtu.be/X9DeoeNitpY?si=WOoeg73USJwm1HeQ[/URL]

It turns out to be much easier to lie about crowd size at those rallies when they are staged outdoors in public parks, public beaches, public fairgrounds, roadside fields, etc where passersby and daytrippers are likely to show up anyway, might be drawn by curiosity to the source of the loud music and shouting along with arial photos to "support" the claim than in those enclosed environments and venues.

But then everyone faces a higher risk of being shot and killed by a Loony Repub with an AR-15 practically bought and handed to him or her at birth thanks to Repub Party Family Values policy. So there is that major downside.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2934916]Can you (or any other Putin's cocksuckers on this forum) prove that Imane Khelif was born male? If you can, I'll immediately join your discontent, I promise.

Please, take your time.[/QUOTE]LOL she failed a gender eligibility test at the 2023 world championships. You really need more proof than that? Of course after the backlash now there going to try and do damage control and try and play it off like he's just a woman with "high testosterone". Give me a break, the Olympics knew this was a guy fighting women.

I just know actor Kevin Costner will post an open letter in Breitbart any minute now begging Trump to drop out over this.

And every pundit and anchor in Mainstream Media will surely speak of this in hushed tones of grave concern for the welfare of America every hour of every day until Trump's poll numbers take a minimal dip and the dumb Repub hillbilly donations dry up, seriously hindering down ballot Repubs' chances of competing, who will also line up to request he drop out for the sake of democracy.

Then, for the benefit of America, to Make America Great Again, Trump will finally drop out and hand the top of the ticket spot to hetero-sectional VP candidate Vance.

Right? Lolol.

[B]Donald Trump 'Glitching' During Rally Sparks Speculation.
Aug. 4, 2024[/B]

[URL]https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-glitching-during-rally-sparks-speculation-1934276[/URL]

[QUOTE]Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump,78, stumbled over phrases at a campaign rally on Saturday, sparking speculation about his cognitive abilities from critics on social media.

Speaking at a rally in Atlanta on Saturday night, the former president slurred and mispronounced "wrecking" as "reckting," "mobs" as "marbs" and said "place" instead of "police" before correcting himself.

"Together we will stop Kamala Harris' nation reckting...I'll tell you what...," he said before changing the subject, and then later "She will not stop, she said she was endorsing defund the place, and, the police, and she said violent marbs, let the violent mobs keep going."

Newsweek has contacted Trump's campaign via email for comment outside business hours.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2934916]Can you (or any other Putin's cocksuckers on this forum) prove that Imane Khelif was born male? If you can, I'll immediately join your discontent, I promise.

Please, take your time.[/QUOTE]Funny how a particular Russian (Putin) is so thin-skinned.

[URL]https://apnews.com/article/olympics-2024-khelif-russia-boxing-b53b1edda21139d14a572bd35ca440e6[/URL]

AP laid out time tine and background to this story.

Perhaps before one regurgitates info they heard from the convict or other siloed sources, do a little google search, and look for confirmation of story from other sources.

As for footnotes:

https://www.equaldex.com/issue/changing-gender

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Algeria

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2934994]Ok, we'll take that as No, neither Biden nor Harris sent a SWAT Team to Mar-a-Lardo.[/QUOTE]If you think Biden did not know, I have a bridge to sell you, but you could say he was too demented to remember. I will buy that.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2934994]And, technically and literally, it was not a "raid", it was a search[/QUOTE]Ah yes, that is so much better Loony Tooms. It was a search with machine gun carrying FBI agents in plain clothes going through Melania's underwear draw.

And try as you might, you keep missing the main point. Nothing says unity like machine guns and underwear.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2935006]LOL she failed a gender eligibility test at the 2023 world championships. You really need more proof than that? Of course after the backlash now there going to try and do damage control and try and play it off like he's just a woman with "high testosterone". Give me a break, the Olympics knew this was a guy fighting women.[/QUOTE]But, but, but Democrats are pro-women, pro-reproductive rights.

I was at a bar that had once of this punching machines. We were three guys and one woman. We were not a bunch of muscular types. Anyway, we men scored between 600 and 800, and the woman who was in good shape was like in the 200's.

You had an Olympic competitor who has trained for years if not decades and gets in the ring and she just quits for no reason? It is pretty obvious what happened is what she said happened. She was hit by a punch like she had never seen before like 3 X harder. What do the douches think? She is a wimp? Really?

I was on a soccer team in high school. We played the women's field hockey team and none of us had picked up a stick in our lives, and we beat them like 20 to 0. John McEnroe fell out of his chair laughing when asked if he could beat Martina Navratilova in tennis. Chris Evert was like, "Look, guys, McEnroe is not a sexist. My brother beats me all the time when we play. ".

But you look at Hollyweird and it is nauseating to see women and men fight. The women never lose. In Star Wars, the original series was about a young boy reaching his potential, having to work, being humiliated, facing his demons, smacked by reality, and then finally be triumphant. That is what it takes to be a successful man. In the second set, you saw how one guy, a decent guy, can become evil. Good stuff.

In the final set, we got the story of Rey Skywalker a woman who picks up a light saber and with no training is better than anyone. Men got so sick of these movie women who were better than men with no training, they came up with the term Becky.

You look at Princess Leia versus Rey Skywalker, and we all swooned over Princess Leia as kids. You were not watching the movies if you thought she was weak or submissive, but she was a realistic portrayal of a great woman.

Rey Skywalker? Rey is unlike any woman I know. She is a feminist fantasy, and the thing about it is if you had to pick a Becky, a Rey Skywalker in real life, you would come up with Kamala Harris. She has not earned shit. She has just showed up.

The latest scandal with Harris is that her husband fucked and got the family nanny pregnant when married to his first wife. And? Oh, you mean we are supposed to believe that a woman who sucked her way to the top is not using marriage as a political prop? This black / Indian /75% white woman is "in love" with this super white Jewish entertainment lawyer? Kamala Harris literally has no morals so I do not know why anyone would expect morals from her political prop husband. Scandal? It is what I would expect from someone marrying her.

Ram, but you got to admit that this Olympic fight is pretty symbolic. This is what is going to happen to Kamala if she steps in the ring with Xi or Putin. It is going to be that ugly. The only chance we have is if she gives them the Willie Brown treatment, but I have a feeling Putin and Xi already have way better than her.

While President Joe Biden is still busy conceiving, spearheading, co-ordinating, leading and guiding unprecedented, difficult, nearly impossible, complex and complicated bi-partisan domestic and foreign policy negotiations and achievements, the twice impeached, multiple Felon, election fraudster, incoherently glitchy former president Donald Trump is also achieving something unprecedented that most historians thought impossible:

[B]Ex-Trump White House officials, dozens of Republicans endorse Harris[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/04/trump-white-house-kamala-harris-election.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]

[QUOTE]Vice President Kamala Harris campaign on Sunday flaunted over two dozen presidential endorsements from Republican party members, including some who served in former President Donald Trumps administration.

Nearly 30 GOP members were cited as part of the new Republicans for Harris initiative launched Sunday. These include Stephanie Grisham, former White House press secretary under Trump, and national security official Olivia Troye who worked as Vice President Mike Pences national security advisor. Chuck Hagel and Ray LaHood, Republican cabinet members under President Barack Obama, were also listed.

By publicly defecting on the Republican presidential nominee, these officials leave a target on their back for attacks from Trump.

"We have to purge the Party of people that go against our Candidates, and make it harder for a popular Republican President to beat the Radical Left Lunatics. Geoff Duncan is a loser who is disintegrating on his own," Trump posted on Truth Social on Saturday, referring to the former lieutenant governor of Georgia who has endorsed Harris.

The Harris campaigns new initiative targeting Republican voters comes two weeks since President Joe Biden dropped out of the presidential race and endorsed Harris. Since then, the vice president has enjoyed a groundswell of early support in the form of record donations, volunteer sign-ups and a surge in the polls closing the voter gap against Trump.

Despite Harris initial momentum, she and Trump are still in tight race that could be decided by just a slim margin of voters in November. That statistical dead-heat is why the Harris campaign is targeting undecided Republicans within who may be persuadable against their partys nominee.

"Donald Trumps MAGA extremism is toxic to the millions of Republicans who no longer believe the party of Donald Trump represents their values and will vote against him again in November," said Austin Weatherford, the Harris campaigns national director of Republican outreach, in a memo.

"Vice President Harris and our campaign are working overtime to earn the support of my fellow Republicans who care about defending democracy and restoring decency," he added.

The Trump campaign did not immediately respond to a request for comment.[/QUOTE]It is very likely there will be many more even more high profile former Trump Administration / White House officials and staffers endorsing Harris to follow this first wave. How could there not be? The USA Economy, domestic and international democracy, human rights and freedom depend on it.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2934958]President Trump drew Full Capacity crowd with thousands++ Outside-- Didn't Hire rappers, Kid Rock, Hulkster. Didn't give away foodstamps-- -- They just came to see The Man hours early like they always do.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcN9JcYwhNw[/URL][/QUOTE][URL]https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/david-axelrod-kalama-harris-momentum/2024/08/04/id/1175188/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2024/07/29/shes-going-to-get-slaughtered-carville-says-attacks-on-kamala-are-coming/?fbclid=IwY2xjawEaEjhleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHYMFAJ5gIJOvu99azIMZ7x9iIWkxEmavr9igKDxAhGXoLXcKUcIXUdrJPA_aem_RRsLb0m19aZDe_mcOrl2-A[/URL]

Where's my new motherfuckin Obamafone / Harrisfone?

Great Clip, So Hilarious. George gets PoopiedPants a couple+ times here-- [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtFBQA_ThEc[/URL].

Harris has taken the lead on Nate Silver's Bulletin and we already know she is ahead in the decisive Battleground States of WI, MI snd PA on that site:

[URL]https://www.natesilver.net/p/nate-silver-2024-president-election-polls-model[/URL]

Harris has taken the lead in RealClearPolitics' 5-Way Consensus:

[URL]https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2024/trump-vs-harris-vs-kennedy-vs-stein-vs-west[/URL]

And now Harris has taken the lead in WI, MI and PA on the new 538 Polling Site, with GA potentially coming on strong for her:

[URL]https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/[/URL]

In all probability, Georgia will flip to Harris after the people in Atlanta have had a chance to fully digest what they saw and heard at her and Trump's rallies there.

Until then, gee, it doesn't seem like some of the folks here who used to post about the polls all the time are all that into it anymore.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2935006]LOL she failed a gender eligibility test at the 2023 world championships. You really need more proof than that? Of course after the backlash now there going to try and do damage control and try and play it off like he's just a woman with "high testosterone". Give me a break, the Olympics knew this was a guy fighting women.[/QUOTE]And all of her female opponents over the years knew it too? Even the ones who defeated her in the ring?

She failed a test nobody seems to know much about, administered by an organization that got banned from the industry.

This is kinda funny -- Dickhead Smirconich on CNN gets all triggered over black guys saying KaMaLahhh is Not Really black-.

Very LOL- [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rTDvcsr7-c[/URL].

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2935006]LOL she failed a gender eligibility test at the 2023 world championships. You really need more proof than that? Of course after the backlash now there going to try and do damage control and try and play it off like he's just a woman with "high testosterone". Give me a break, the Olympics knew this was a guy fighting women.[/QUOTE]CheckMate has already answered your accusation with the links to related sources, but because some people have deep reading comprehension issues, allow me to pinpoint exactly why anyone with even half a brain would need "more proof than that".

TL; DR.

1. Khelif had been boxing for years without a hitch up until she defeated a Russian rising star Azalia Amineva (previously undefeated).

2. A few days after, Khelif was abruptly disqualified by a shady organization called IBA run by Russian national and Putin's friend Umar Kremlev.

3. Khelif's disqualification meant that Amineva retained her undefeated status.

4. In 2022, after a series of scandals, the IOS permanently banished IBA from the Olympics.

[QUOTE]The most powerful organization in amateur boxing for decades is now governing a reduced roster of national federations while keeping up its fight with the IOC. Nearly three dozen nations, including nearly all of the prominent Western boxing teams, have taken the extraordinary step of leaving the IBA to form World Boxing, a new governing body, in a final attempt to keep boxing in the 2028 Olympics.

AIBAs final Olympic downfall was triggered about six years ago when it elected president Gafur Rakhimov, an Uzbek businessman described by the U.S. Treasury Department as an organized crime boss. Rakhimov, who denies those allegations, finally resigned in July 2019, a month after the IOC suspended ties.

The group changed its name and elected Kremlev, a Russian boxing functionary and an acquaintance of Russian President Vladimir Putin. That only made things worse between the IBA and the sections of the international boxing community not beholden to the bodys financial support, unlike many smaller boxing nations.

Kremlev introduced Russian state-controlled Gazprom as its biggest sponsor and moved much of the IBAs operations to Russia after he took over in late 2020. He also fought off a challenge to his leadership two years ago by essentially scrapping an election in highly dubious fashion.

This week, he (Kremlev) released a series of English-subtitled videos on social media packed with insults, saying the Olympics burns from pure devilry and calling Bach (IOC President) evil and urging him to resign urgently. Kremlev has ended some of them by saying hes sending Bach diapers so he doesnt soil himself, then punching the camera.[/QUOTE][B]What is the IBA? Governing body behind Olympic boxing storm has Russian ties, troubled history[/B]

[URL]https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/what-is-the-iba-governing-body-behind-olympic-boxing-storm-has-russian-ties-troubled-history[/URL]

[QUOTE=Elvis 2008;2934693]I used to think racist meant discriminating against people on the basis of being race. Now racism is prejudice against white.

Obama is 50% white and is called black.

Kamala is 75% white and is calling herself black.

Elizabeth Warren is 100% white and called herself Native American.

The fact that you Democrats keep lying about race shows you are the racist ones.

And Spidy keep going about my being sexist. How is that even possible when you Democratic douches cannot even define what a woman is? [/QUOTE]

So this is the world according to QAnon/MAGA conspiracists?

--Trump is 75% orange, but sees himself as a white man (...kkkk!)
--Trump is 100% an asshole, but thinks he decent human being

Bottom line is, Obama, Veep Kamala Harris and Elizabeth Warren [b]are 100% American. Period![/b]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2935097]If you think Biden did not know, I have a bridge to sell you, but you could say he was too demented to remember. I will buy that.

Ah yes, that is so much better Loony Tooms. It was a search with machine gun carrying FBI agents in plain clothes going through Melania's underwear draw.

And try as you might, you keep missing the main point. Nothing says unity like machine guns and underwear.[/QUOTE]Biden knew about it. Trump knew about it. You knew about it. I knew about it. Everyone knew about it.

That is what happens when you admit you have classified documents you shouldn't have, refuse a repeated request for months to return them to the rightful owners, ignore a subpoena to return them for months, instruct others to hide them from the inevitable FBI search to follow, instruct others to kill the videos of the people you instructed to hide them hiding them, are told the FBI search is coming any day now in case you'd like to now hide yourself in a basement Men's Room stall 1,100 miles away so as to "nearly escape death" and then, sure enough, the FBI show up to conduct the search following all of the usual legal requirements and procedures for a safe and effective search.

See how that works?

Nothing says disunity and disaster like endangering the lives and National Security of everyone in the Intel community and everyone in America by doing what that twice Impeached, kicked out of office, violent, cop-attacking, maiming and killing Insurrectionist mob-inciting, former president and now 34 times convicted Felon did regarding those classified documents and everything else he touched, said, did and enacted over the past 9 years.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2935176]CheckMate has already answered your accusation with the links to related sources, but because some people have deep reading comprehension issues, allow me to pinpoint exactly why anyone with even half a brain would need "more proof than that".

TL; DR.

1. Khelif had been boxing for years without a hitch up until she defeated a Russian rising star Azalia Amineva (previously undefeated).

2. A few days after, Khelif was abruptly disqualified by a shady organization called IBA run by Russian national and Putin's friend Umar Kremlev.

3. Khelif's disqualification meant that Amineva retained her undefeated status.

4. In 2022, after a series of scandals, the IOS permanently banished IBA from the Olympics.

[B]What is the IBA? Governing body behind Olympic boxing storm has Russian ties, troubled history[/B]

[URL]https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/what-is-the-iba-governing-body-behind-olympic-boxing-storm-has-russian-ties-troubled-history[/URL][/QUOTE]I am too lazy to look that far into this particular issue, but lets say you are right even though I believe I read she has the chromosomes and hormone profile of a man and looks extremely masculine and I still 100% believe Olympics is corrupt and controlled by Corporate America, Liberal Media, and Big Tech and they are now doing an all out damage control campaign because they realize how many people like myself will no longer be supporting the Olympics after this last fiasco in a long line of controversies.

But lets say you are right and this was a tragic case of the boy who cried wolf and this guy really is a girl. After the constant trans agenda and for years trying to get trans men to compete against women, stuff like this is going to happen. It's not like this is the first time. Olympics had to do the trans first dinner jesus picture thing to promote their agenda and give a middle finger to all christians. They brought this on themselves and now if its true this Algerian boxer is in fact a female, its the people promoting this in your face strange trans agenda bullshit who are really to blame.

And I support more acceptance for Trans people, there are obviously people born Trans and cannot help who they are. But this agenda has gone so far beyond that, especially trying to give hormones to young kids and giving athlete of the year awards to guys like Bruce Jenner just because he transitions into a female at 60 years old even though he has a family.

Just to be clear, you and tooms support letting Trans men compete against women? This is a huge part of the agenda for Democrats. This is what you support when you support Democrats.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2935225]I am too lazy to look that far into this particular issue, but lets say you are right even though I believe I read she has the chromosomes and hormone profile of a man and looks extremely masculine and I still 100% believe Olympics is corrupt and controlled by Corporate America, Liberal Media, and Big Tech and they are now doing an all out damage control campaign because they realize how many people like myself will no longer be supporting the Olympics after this last fiasco in a long line of controversies.

But lets say you are right and this was a tragic case of the boy who cried wolf and this guy really is a girl. After the constant trans agenda and for years trying to get trans men to compete against women, stuff like this is going to happen. It's not like this is the first time. Olympics had to do the trans first dinner jesus picture thing to promote their agenda and give a middle finger to all christians. They brought this on themselves and now if its true this Algerian boxer is in fact a female, its the people promoting this in your face strange trans agenda bullshit who are really to blame.[/QUOTE]Please provide the link for where Joe Biden or any other Democrat promoted or passed a law or enacted an Executive Order requiring any school or sports organization to violate their already existing rules for separation of men from women's sports or women from men's sports in order to allow "transgender women" to compete in women's sports or "transgender men" to compete in men's sports.

Biden's position on the issue is exactly the same as yours and the same as every other Dem I am aware of. And his Executive Order establishes and maintains that same position as well:

[B]Fact check: Posts criticizing Biden order on gender discrimination lack context.[/B]

[URL]https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/02/02/fact-check-biden-executive-order-discrimination-transgender-women-sports/6686171002/[/URL]

[QUOTE][b]Transgender athletes at college and Olympic levels[/b]

The executive order does not address athletics beyond the mention of discrimination in "school sports." Further, transgender amateur athletes already have policies they must follow in order to compete.
..........
[B]Our ruling: Missing context[/b]

The claim that Biden's gender discrimination executive order says transgender women must be allowed to compete on women's teams is MISSING CONTEXT, based on our research. The order protects against discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity and states children should not be "denied access" to "school sports." The The White House said this would include having transgender females play on women's teams. But the posts do not acknowledge that rules for transgender athletes are already in place at the college and Olympic levels, as well as in many states and school districts. Further, it is false to say any educational institution that receives federal funding must add biologically male athletes to teams. [/QUOTE]On the Algerian boxer, it is quite possible that the now banned Olympic organization that administered THEIR gender test merely looked for a [B]Y[/B] chromosome and it was on that basis the boxer was determined to be "male. ".

However, as you can see, many women, even those with a uterus and the ability to get pregnant, long the dividing line between male and female among strict conservatives, can be tested and shown to possess a [B]Y[/B] chromosome:

[B]Can a person with a Y chromosome give birth to a child?[/B]

[URL]https://www.thetech.org/ask-a-geneticist/articles/2010/ask352/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/08/05/world/bangladesh-protests[/URL]

They better not try cheating again ala 2020.

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/07/briefing/bangladesh-election-hamas-gaza-japan-steel.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Spidy;2935205]So this is the world according to QAnon/MAGA conspiracists?[/QUOTE]This shows how warped you are. A person posts facts to counter Democratic lies / propaganda and you do not like and so it is QAnon / conspiracy theory. This is why you are a douche. You do not have a single objective cell in you body. Democrats good, Republicans evil.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2935205]--Trump is 75% orange, but sees himself as a white man (...kkkk!)
--Trump is 100% an asshole, but thinks he decent human being[/QUOTE]Democrats angels, Republicans evil. Orange man bad.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2935205]Bottom line is, Obama, Veep Kamala Harris and Elizabeth Warren [b]are 100% American. Period![/b][/QUOTE]And now you go off the deep end. You are changing the subject which is an admission you lost. And taking this to its logical conclusion. So Trump is not American? Republicans are not? I am not American?

If you feel that way, and obviously you do, YOU are not American! Why not go live in a country with one party? You would be so much happier.

The Biden-KaMaLaaaaahhh recession Shall become a depression if the election is stolen again. A fake president KaMaLaaaahhhh will mean a world economic downturn-- Donald J Trump is our only hope-- We are in the 3rd Act.

Back when I shorted oil, it took a long time for the market to get it right. The term peak oil has been erased from minds like the ridiculous Covid measures. I argued with the peak oil nuts about increasing USA oil production and most of them said it was fake. I looked at the oil workers making a bundle with the new trucks and the like. They knew it was not fake. Eventually, oil went from $100 to $20, and I made huge money but it took a long time.

So the lie is peak oil never happened, and the even bigger one is Biden's astute economic management made up for the economy being shut down 2 years. All that was done was the printing of money, and when you do that, you pay back the debt first via inflation. This recent rally made zero sense to me. How can you rally when the consumer is so much poorer? The answer that was given was AI. AI was going to make things so much more efficient. And that is literally what drove the hype train.

If Treasuries yield 5% market, fair market value is less than that as stocks are riskier. That means a yield at minimum in the stock market should be 6 to 8%, and I would say 8% given the weaker consumer and the likelihood earnings are going down. The current market has a PE of 28 which corresponds to a high 3% yield. The market should be half of what it is right now and probably less than that.

It never made sense but what would trigger a selloff? With oil, the peak oil nuts were shocked when the price of oil went down and Saudi Arabia did not cut production. In this market, I am not sure what the trigger is. Maybe it is Buffett selling so much stock. Maybe it is Nvidia not performing when it came to a delay in releasing the latest AI chip. You never know.

What I told people is you know your going to cause deaths when you shut down the economy and make everyone poorer. You have no clue whether the Covid measures are going to work. If you are a Democratic douche, you think your brilliant monetary management saved the day. You see, Elvis, we could implement the Covid measures and have no economic downturn. No, you douches just have not paid the bill and thank God that bill is coming due now.

We went $10 trillion further in debt due to a virus with 0. 2% mortality and lost trillions more due to decreased economic activity. The Covid plan ranks up there with the worst economic fuckups in our country's history.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2935306][URL]https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/08/05/world/bangladesh-protests[/URL]

They better not try cheating again ala 2020.

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/07/briefing/bangladesh-election-hamas-gaza-japan-steel.html[/URL][/QUOTE]MDS, I quizzed someone on another forum about this, and he repeated the same "2020 was the safest election there ever was" nonsense. The election being stolen is a theory. I asked him what the facts were to support that theory. He could not give one. All he could do was launch personal comments about me.

You would hope all Americans would care if this election were rigged, but what I have seen from Democrats is we won so who cares? Given that attitude, it is gong to be up to Republicans to make sure the election is fair. Democrats do not care about having fair elections; they only care if they win.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2935225]I am too lazy to look that far into this particular issue, but lets say you are right even though I believe I read she has the chromosomes and hormone profile of a man and looks extremely masculine and I still 100% believe Olympics is corrupt and controlled by Corporate America, Liberal Media, and Big Tech and they are now doing an all out damage control campaign because they realize how many people like myself will no longer be supporting the Olympics after this last fiasco in a long line of controversies.

But lets say you are right and this was a tragic case of the boy who cried wolf and this guy really is a girl. After the constant trans agenda and for years trying to get trans men to compete against women, stuff like this is going to happen. It's not like this is the first time. Olympics had to do the trans first dinner jesus picture thing to promote their agenda and give a middle finger to all christians. They brought this on themselves and now if its true this Algerian boxer is in fact a female, its the people promoting this in your face strange trans agenda bullshit who are really to blame.

And I support more acceptance for Trans people, there are obviously people born Trans and cannot help who they are. But this agenda has gone so far beyond that, especially trying to give hormones to young kids and giving athlete of the year awards to guys like Bruce Jenner just because he transitions into a female at 60 years old even though he has a family.

Just to be clear, you and tooms support letting Trans men compete against women? This is a huge part of the agenda for Democrats. This is what you support when you support Democrats.[/QUOTE][URL]https://newrepublic.com/post/184271/jd-vance-trouble-blurb-book-unhumans[/URL]

This looks like a must read for all the great eruditus men on this board ASAP.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2935361]Back when I shorted oil, it took a long time for the market to get it right. The term peak oil has been erased from minds like the ridiculous Covid measures. I argued with the peak oil nuts about increasing USA oil production and most of them said it was fake. I looked at the oil workers making a bundle with the new trucks and the like. They knew it was not fake. Eventually, oil went from $100 to $20, and I made huge money but it took a long time.

So the lie is peak oil never happened, and the even bigger one is Biden's astute economic management made up for the economy being shut down 2 years. All that was done was the printing of money, and when you do that, you pay back the debt first via inflation. This recent rally made zero sense to me. How can you rally when the consumer is so much poorer? The answer that was given was AI. AI was going to make things so much more efficient. And that is literally what drove the hype train.

If Treasuries yield 5% market, fair market value is less than that as stocks are riskier. That means a yield at minimum in the stock market should be 6 to 8%, and I would say 8% given the weaker consumer and the likelihood earnings are going down. The current market has a PE of 28 which corresponds to a high 3% yield. The market should be half of what it is right now and probably less than that.

It never made sense but what would trigger a selloff? With oil, the peak oil nuts were shocked when the price of oil went down and Saudi Arabia did not cut production. In this market, I am not sure what the trigger is. Maybe it is Buffett selling so much stock. Maybe it is Nvidia not performing when it came to a delay in releasing the latest AI chip. You never know.

What I told people is you know your going to cause deaths when you shut down the economy and make everyone poorer. You have no clue whether the Covid measures are going to work. If you are a Democratic douche, you think your brilliant monetary management saved the day. You see, Elvis, we could implement the Covid measures and have no economic downturn. No, you douches just have not paid the bill and thank God that bill is coming due now.

We went $10 trillion further in debt due to a virus with 0. 2% mortality and lost trillions more due to decreased economic activity. The Covid plan ranks up there with the worst economic fuckups in our country's history.[/QUOTE]The market is overvalued, and it's been so for a long, long time. We've been overdue for a major correction, but I'm not sure this is actually it. All I know is that my retirement fund is safe!

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2935361]Back when I shorted oil, it took a long time for the market to get it right. The term peak oil has been erased from minds like the ridiculous Covid measures. I argued with the peak oil nuts about increasing USA oil production and most of them said it was fake. I looked at the oil workers making a bundle with the new trucks and the like. They knew it was not fake. Eventually, oil went from $100 to $20, and I made huge money but it took a long time.

So the lie is peak oil never happened, and the even bigger one is Biden's astute economic management made up for the economy being shut down 2 years. All that was done was the printing of money, and when you do that, you pay back the debt first via inflation. This recent rally made zero sense to me. How can you rally when the consumer is so much poorer? The answer that was given was AI. AI was going to make things so much more efficient. And that is literally what drove the hype train.

If Treasuries yield 5% market, fair market value is less than that as stocks are riskier. That means a yield at minimum in the stock market should be 6 to 8%, and I would say 8% given the weaker consumer and the likelihood earnings are going down. The current market has a PE of 28 which corresponds to a high 3% yield. The market should be half of what it is right now and probably less than that.

It never made sense but what would trigger a selloff? With oil, the peak oil nuts were shocked when the price of oil went down and Saudi Arabia did not cut production. In this market, I am not sure what the trigger is. Maybe it is Buffett selling so much stock. Maybe it is Nvidia not performing when it came to a delay in releasing the latest AI chip. You never know.

What I told people is you know your going to cause deaths when you shut down the economy and make everyone poorer. You have no clue whether the Covid measures are going to work. If you are a Democratic douche, you think your brilliant monetary management saved the day. You see, Elvis, we could implement the Covid measures and have no economic downturn. No, you douches just have not paid the bill and thank God that bill is coming due now.

We went $10 trillion further in debt due to a virus with 0. 2% mortality and lost trillions more due to decreased economic activity. The Covid plan ranks up there with the worst economic fuckups in our country's history.[/QUOTE]"It never made sense but what would trigger a selloff"?

Well, in this case with the solid, stable and improving economy we have under Biden, a mild sell-off like we have had so far is usually due to investors taking out some healthy profits from the multiple All Time Closing Highs we have had in the market recently. Not talking specifically about oil, of course.

Then they use those profits to buy more things. Later, when the market takes note of the good news about more things being bought, that triggers another All Time Closing High or ten in the market.

And so it goes. Been happening that way in good and healthy economies like this one since, well, since the stock market was invented.

But you will see it happening that way much, much more often during Dem economies than under Repub economies. For fairly obvious reasons.

[QUOTE=Woodman09;2935348]The Biden-KaMaLaaaaahhh recession Shall become a depression if the election is stolen again. A fake president KaMaLaaaahhhh will mean a world economic downturn-- Donald J Trump is our only hope-- We are in the 3rd Act.[/QUOTE]Just curious, what do you suppose Trump means when he tells people at his rallies that they don't have to vote because he will "win" anyway?

[B]Trump told his fans they 'don't have to vote' and should 'watch' other voters instead.[/B]

[URL]https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-told-fans-new-hampshire-they-dont-have-to-vote-2023-10[/URL]

[QUOTE]"You don't have to vote, don't worry about voting," he told his New Hampshire fans.[/QUOTE]Do you think it might have something to do with this:

[B]These Swing State Election Officials Are Pro-Trump Election Deniers.
Nearly 70 pro-Trump conspiracists are election officials in key battleground counties and they are poised to make a giant mess on Election Day.
July 29, 2024[/B]

[URL]https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/trump-swing-state-officials-election-deniers-1235069692/[/URL]

You know, these are the same people who agreed with Trump that it is ok to assassinate his VP for not following his order to steal the 2020 election.

The same Felon Trump, that is, who was convicted 34 times for Conspiracy to Commit Election Fraud in a scheme to improperly influence (STEAL) the 2016 presidential election. And from the same Repub Party that was proven to have stood by and ignored enough blatantly obvious violations of the Voting Rights Act in Florida for GW Bush to steal the 2000 presidential election.

My god. Imagine what a different world we would all be living in if only those 2 elections had not been stolen:

No Attack on 9/11.

No 900+ lies by Bush-Cheney plunging us into 2 Repub counterproductive quagmire wars in the Middle East.

No Financial Crisis.

No two Bear Market Crashes in the broad USA Stock Market.

No $Trillions added to the deficit just to create 1 million fewer jobs with that Repub legislation than without it.

No failed China trade war that plunged the USA Manufacturing and Agriculture Industries into Recession so deep Trump had to issue emergency welfare checks just to keep them afloat.

No Trump's Pandemic.

No one million Americans Mass Murdered and millions more around the globe due to Trump's Pandemic Covid.

No business and school closures.

No Millions upon Millions of jobs wiped out.

No two more Bear Broad Market Crashes in the broad USA Stock Market.

No Inflation.

No skyrocketing costs of rent, food, gas, etc.

Yes, a very different world.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2935225]I am too lazy to look that far into this particular issue, but lets say you are right even though I believe I read she has the chromosomes and hormone profile of a man and looks extremely masculine and I still 100% believe Olympics is corrupt and controlled by Corporate America, Liberal Media, and Big Tech and they are now doing an all out damage control campaign because they realize how many people like myself will no longer be supporting the Olympics after this last fiasco in a long line of controversies.

But lets say you are right and this was a tragic case of the boy who cried wolf and this guy really is a girl. After the constant trans agenda and for years trying to get trans men to compete against women, stuff like this is going to happen. It's not like this is the first time. Olympics had to do the trans first dinner jesus picture thing to promote their agenda and give a middle finger to all christians. They brought this on themselves and now if its true this Algerian boxer is in fact a female, its the people promoting this in your face strange trans agenda bullshit who are really to blame.

And I support more acceptance for Trans people, there are obviously people born Trans and cannot help who they are. But this agenda has gone so far beyond that, especially trying to give hormones to young kids and giving athlete of the year awards to guys like Bruce Jenner just because he transitions into a female at 60 years old even though he has a family.

Just to be clear, you and tooms support letting Trans men compete against women? This is a huge part of the agenda for Democrats. This is what you support when you support Democrats.[/QUOTE]First, your personal opinion about an issue in general doesn't give you the right to accuse people. Your mockery of Khelif was mean-spirited and uncalled for.

Second, up until recently I too held an opinion that trans athletes shouldn't be allowed to compete against women. However, I was presented with real-life facts by another member that changed my opinion. After digging into this some more, I do believe now that this is a non-issue blown way out of proportion by conservative ideologists who grabbed a chance to wind up the troops.

If you weren't lazy, you could find our dialogue somewhere in this thread. But alas.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2935397]MDS, I quizzed someone on another forum about this, and he repeated the same "2020 was the safest election there ever was" nonsense. The election being stolen is a theory. [b]I asked him what the facts were to support that theory[/b].[/QUOTE]Pretty obvious you did not ask me. I return to the source document: [B]The Constitution of the United States of America[/B].

[B]Amendment Twelve[/B] to the Constitution was ratified on June 15,1804. It revises and outlines the procedure of how Presidents and Vice Presidents are elected, specifically so that they are elected together.

[I]The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and all persons voted for as Vice-President and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;[/I]

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2935270][B]Article II Section 1[/B]

[I]"The executive power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his office during the term of four years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same term, be elected, as follows: [b]Each state shall appoint[/b], in such manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a number of electors, equal to the whole number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or person holding an office of trust or profit under the United States, shall be appointed an elector."[/I]

There is no room in this document for the Supreme Court of the United States to make a ruling like they did. They did not have the right to make the decision. That is a fact. The Constitution of the United States does not allow the Supreme Court to decide who the next President of the United States should be. Especially on a split decision. The mere fact that 7 of the 9 justices decided to hear the case means only that 2 knew and understood the role of the court in this pivotal moment in history. Congress should have impeached the 5 judges who were in the majority.[/QUOTE]The 43 president of the United States of America was inappropriately granted the presidency by the United States Supreme Court. They should have stayed out of it. Instead they decided to to pick the next head of the branch of the executive for the United States Government.

[U]Separation of Powers Doctrine[/U]

[I]Over the course of our history, the Supreme Court has elaborated on the separation-of-powers doctrine in several cases addressing the three branches of government. At times, the Court has determined that one branchs actions have infringed upon the core functions of another.[/I]

[URL]https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/intro.7-2/ALDE_00000031/[/URL]

There is noting more core than the selection of the President of the United States of America. The Supreme Court violated the Separation of Powers Doctrine when they awarded the presidency to #43. The election was stolen from the American People.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2935397]You would hope all Americans would care if this election were rigged, but what I have seen from Democrats is we won so who cares? Given that attitude, it is gong to be up to Republicans to make sure the election is fair. Democrats do not care about having fair elections; they only care if they win.[/QUOTE]I did not see any Republican outcry when #43 was elected.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2935397]MDS, I quizzed someone on another forum about this, and he repeated the same "2020 was the safest election there ever was" nonsense. The election being stolen is a theory. I asked him what the facts were to support that theory. He could not give one. All he could do was launch personal comments about me.

You would hope all Americans would care if this election were rigged, but what I have seen from Democrats is we won so who cares? Given that attitude, it is gong to be up to Republicans to make sure the election is fair. Democrats do not care about having fair elections; they only care if they win.[/QUOTE]Even (especially) to cheaters, like the CBS poll this week, they are trying to rig the outcome early by pretending it is already close.

So when "election day" rolls around they can try to make it more plausible that Harris won ala Scumbag Joe in 2020 or JFK in 1960.

Same thing with exit polls those are the easiest to rig, they can report any numbers they want ala Caracas last week.

[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd1d10453zno[/URL]

The balls of Scumbag Joe to call others cheaters, they truly are shameless scumbags!!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2935411]The market is overvalued, and it's been so for a long, long time. We've been overdue for a major correction, but I'm not sure this is actually it. All I know is that my retirement fund is safe![/QUOTE]There are a lot of markers freaking people out with supposedly 100% accurate measures of recession: the surge in the unemployment percentage, the unwinding of the inverted yield curve, and on a practical level a guy on CNBC said consumer balance sheets were never worse. I did know the consumer is in more debt than ever. On the flip side, there was calm. Things are not as bad as 2008, and I think what was weird is everyone was bringing up different reasons for the fall.

I really did not understand the yen carry trade at first. Apparently, speculators are borrowing in yen at lower rates and then buying things with higher yields. That is fine unless the yen appreciates and I think it went up 12% so if you are levered at 10:1, that increase literally put you under water unless what you bought went way up in price. That is probably the best explanation for the sell off I have seen.

But yeah, I am not sure it is here either. Usually October is the worst month for crashes.

[QUOTE=FFlintstone69;2935406][URL]https://newrepublic.com/post/184271/jd-vance-trouble-blurb-book-unhumans[/URL]

This looks like a must read for all the great eruditus men on this board ASAP.[/QUOTE]These are the first two paragraphs of the article: Republican vice presidential nominee J. The. Vance has found himself yet again in hot water, after it was uncovered that he promoted a book decrying progressives as "unhuman," written by a far-right conspiracy theorist.

Unhumans: The Secret History of Communist Revolutions (and How to Crush Them) was written by the Pizzagate guy, Jack Posobiec, and ghostwriter Joshua Lisec, with a foreword by the recently imprisoned MAGA movement architect Steve Bannon.

I stopped right there. This is another Democratic douche let's get offended trope. It is a fucking book. On the other hand, Democratic douches are cool with making up laws to criminally convict their opposition, throwing out the votes of their nominee, a literal coup in the party, machine gun wielding FBI agents at the house of the ex-president, and the made up Russiagate among others.

And the Democratic douche vax rhetoric may have been the worse. People who are not vaxxed should be denied medical care and allowed to die. That IS unhuman.

The whole thing reads like a Spidy post: insult after insult and no information. If Spidy does not write for the New Republic, he should. They would love him there.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2935416]Just curious, what do you suppose Trump means when he tells people at his rallies that they don't have to vote because he will "win" anyway?

[B]Trump told his fans they 'don't have to vote' and should 'watch' other voters instead.[/B]

[URL]https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-told-fans-new-hampshire-they-dont-have-to-vote-2023-10[/URL]

Do you think it might have something to do with this:

[B]These Swing State Election Officials Are Pro-Trump Election Deniers.
Nearly 70 pro-Trump conspiracists are election officials in key battleground counties and they are poised to make a giant mess on Election Day.
July 29, 2024[/B].[/QUOTE]No failed China trade war? Why is it failed? Because you are anti America and pro China?

I see you are still upset we didn't get that 3rd and 4th term of Bubba, that wanted TPP would still be in effect if not for Our Lord and Savior.

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/04/business/china-hate-speech-xenophobia.html[/URL]

[URL]https://www.aa.com.tr/en/asia-pacific/4-us-college-instructors-local-tourist-injured-in-china-knife-attack/3246270[/URL]

Yes the Chinese are livid because the jig is up.

Yes they are so angry because the trade war against them failed..

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2935416]


My god. Imagine what a different world we would all be living in if only those 2 elections had not been stolen:

No Attack on 9/11.

No 900+ lies by Bush-Cheney plunging us into 2 Repub counterproductive quagmire wars in the Middle East.

No Financial Crisis.

No two Bear Market Crashes in the broad USA Stock Market.

No $Trillions added to the deficit just to create 1 million fewer jobs with that Repub legislation than without it.

No failed China trade war that plunged the USA Manufacturing and Agriculture Industries into Recession so deep Trump had to issue emergency welfare checks just to keep them afloat.

No Trump's Pandemic.

No one million Americans Mass Murdered and millions more around the globe due to Trump's Pandemic Covid.

No business and school closures.

No Millions upon Millions of jobs wiped out.

No two more Bear Broad Market Crashes in the broad USA Stock Market.

No Inflation.

No skyrocketing costs of rent, food, gas, etc.

Yes, a very different world.[/QUOTE]1. Disagree: 9/11 may still have happened. Bin Laden planned the attacks for many years before it was executed. To say that this would not happen is a reach.

2. Agree: I don't think that a Gore administration would have pushed into Iraq, as history unfold. My OPINION / Speculation is that Bush / Cheney wanted to go into Iraq, and this slim opening gave them their excuse to go in.

3. Disagree: At the end of the milennium, there were weaknesses in the financial markets, mainly dot com bubble that would still have happened. One can blame the previous administration for this situation to happen due to new technologies without guardrails. *catch-22* can't advance innovations without unleashing technology / to prevent fraud and implosion ("regulations") is needed. Same discussion as pertain to crypto today. It isn't whether we should have regulations or not, but rather how much.

4. One of the two would have happened. The second one (Housing) still may have happened. Although the Bush administration pushed for home ownership, I didn't see the push back from the other side either.

5. Agree: At the end of the Clinton era, there was a surplus that would have extended under Gore. Instead of maintaining it for a rainy day, it was given back to the market / tax cuts. By itself, it wasn't harmful, but with the bubble and unpaid wars, a perfect storm for deficit, and its continuation.

Disagree: No Inflation is a myth, in any era. Carter / Regan was the beginning of the hyper inflation era, Clinton administration / Feds masked the problem with the change in calculating inflation, taking out food and energy. Gingrich was the speaker at the time, so can't claim victory on any sides.

[URL]https://www.newyorkfed.org/medialibrary/media/research/current_issues/ci2-4.pdf[/URL]

Like all sci-fi movies (time travel), yes it would be different, but not everything is rainbows and unicorns.

Walls remind me of the weak characters in Fargo-.

Interesting analysis about Tim Walls-- from a Black Conservative Perserspective.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0Ah6YKevaQ[/URL]

[QUOTE=CheckMate1;2935551]1. Disagree: 9/11 may still have happened. Bin Laden planned the attacks for many years before it was executed. To say that this would not happen is a reach.

2. Agree: I don't think that a Gore administration would have pushed into Iraq, as history unfold. My OPINION / Speculation is that Bush / Cheney wanted to go into Iraq, and this slim opening gave them their excuse to go in.

3. Disagree: At the end of the milennium, there were weaknesses in the financial markets, mainly dot com bubble that would still have happened. One can blame the previous administration for this situation to happen due to new technologies without guardrails. *catch-22* can't advance innovations without unleashing technology / to prevent fraud and implosion ("regulations") is needed. Same discussion as pertain to crypto today. It isn't whether we should have regulations or not, but rather how much.

4. One of the two would have happened. The second one (Housing) still may have happened. Although the Bush administration pushed for home ownership, I didn't see the push back from the other side either.

5. Agree: At the end of the Clinton era, there was a surplus that would have extended under Gore. Instead of maintaining it for a rainy day, it was given back to the market / tax cuts. By itself, it wasn't harmful, but with the bubble and unpaid wars, a perfect storm for deficit, and its continuation.

Disagree: No Inflation is a myth, in any era. Carter / Regan was the beginning of the hyper inflation era, Clinton administration / Feds masked the problem with the change in calculating inflation, taking out food and energy. Gingrich was the speaker at the time, so can't claim victory on any sides.

[URL]https://www.newyorkfed.org/medialibrary/media/research/current_issues/ci2-4.pdf[/URL]

Like all sci-fi movies (time travel), yes it would be different, but not everything is rainbows and unicorns.[/QUOTE]- The difference between the seriousness with which Clinton and his Administration regarded and responded to Intel on potential terrorist attacks re Presidential Daily Briefings, for one, and the way GW Bush and his administration virtually shrugged it off and dismissed it was shocking. Imo, the way the Counter Terrorism Chief who worked for both testified in the 9/11 hearings is most telling. It didn't even require much push back and response to possible domestic terrorist attack "chatter" to get the bad guys to abandon the idea, as happened under Clinton. By stark contrast, Bush and Rice did nothing in response to the rather specific PDB intel prior to 9/11.

[URL]https://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/03/24/911.commission/index.html[/URL]

- The Financial Crisis hit almost 8 years after Clinton left office. The huge wave of Subprime / Liar Loans did not begin under Clinton. There were practically no more floated than usual under Clinton. However, they flourished under Bush. And in large part for a reason you alluded to; home ownership increased under GW Bush. In fact, it was about the only notable economic "gain" Bush could point to during his "jobless" economy. No way was his Treasury Department's Office of Thrift Supervision going to get in there and demand banks and lending institutions enforce the non Liar Loan regulations that were on the books and spoil that one and only Bush Economy goose laying a sort of but illusery golden egg. Especially since enforcing regulations on anything, particularly banks, is anathema to Repub economic philosophy.

In short, Clinton's Treasury Department did its job because they knew the boss expected them to do its job while Bush's Treasury Department did not do its job because they knew the boss did not even want it to do its job.

[URL]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_policy_of_the_George_W._Bush_administration[/URL]

There was little push back by members of Congress simply because Bush's Office of Thrift Supervision, whose job it was to monitor and report on those things, not Congress, was telling Congress everything is fine, nothing to see here.

- I would say hyper-Inflation began under Nixon / Ford. Ford's way of dealing with it was to encourage everyone to wear WIN lapel buttons; Whip Inflation Now.

Carter's Fed Chairman appointee, Paul Volcker, was vetted by Carter and appointed in late 1979 precisely because he was willing to do the unpopular thing in order to tame it; raise Fed Funds Rates, same as the Fed Chair Powell this time around. And Carter was willing for him to do it during an election year. By early 1980, almost a year before Reagan took office, Volcker's methods were already working and Inflation (and lending interest rates) was beginning to decline and continued to decline into Reagan's first year in office. No, not in a straight line month after month. Nothing works that way. But the downward trend had definitely begun in early 1980 and continued in that direction over the next 3+ years.

Anyway, I am not saying there would have been no ordinary and normal inflation had Trump not made every decision a World Leader ought to make if his goal was to produce a Pandemic. I am talking about the elevated level of inflation the world experienced as an unavoidable outcome of it.

[URL]https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/historical-inflation-rates/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Elvis 2008;2935361]Back when I shorted oil, it took a long time for the market to get it right. {...yada, yada, yada}[/QUOTE]

Yes, thank you for yet another thrilling, episode of your market genius! Riveting as always!

[QUOTE=Elvis 2008;2935361]What I told people is you know your going to cause deaths when you shut down the economy and make everyone poorer. ...

We went $10 trillion further in debt due to a virus with 0. 2% mortality and lost trillions more due to decreased economic activity. The Covid plan ranks up there with the worst economic fuckups in our country's history.[/QUOTE] Yeah, okay sensei, calm down with the COVID market conspiracies,...it's just the market signaling to the FED, a rate cut is long overdue and perhaps a little profit taking.

As I've said before, [i]"Even the sun shines up a dog's ass some days".[/i] But in YOUR case, you've been calling for a market crash and economic recession, for almost the last 4 years now. [b]And you've been WRONG every time! [/b]

So the sun hasn't exactly shone much up your ass for four years. But I'm sure, if you say it long enough and often enough...that sun will surely shine some day! (....kkkk!)

[QUOTE=Spidy;2935584](...kkkk!) More gish gallop, served up to say nothing at all. However, you might be right about [i]"Democrats good, Republicans evil",[/i] if you say so.

Hey, just saying, orange is just not a good look on most dudes (see below), save George Hamilton or Ashoka, Togruta Jedi Padawan! (...kkkk!)



YOUR obvious failure to realize YOUR own "color-blind" rhetoric of division from your post, that Trump and Repubs sow everyday, is just more evidence of the pitiful failure to see all legal peoples and citizens no matter their color, as Americans. PERIOD!

I'll let your own Repub, Sen. Lisa Murkowski, tell you, in her own words:
[LIST][i]"Think about it", Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-AK) told reporters Wednesday. "What have we been talking about all week long? Childless cat women, DEI candidates. [b]Now is she black? Is she Indian?"[/b] ... "Maybe they don't know how to handle the campaign. And so you default to issues that [b]should simply not be an issue.[/b]"

[u]Senate Republicans forgot Trump's recklessness. It's back to haunt them.[/u]
[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/08/03/trump-senate-republicans-race/[/url][/i][/LIST]Over the last several weeks, Repubs have constantly tried to get Trump to talk about administrative plans and policies for a future America (other than Project 2025, which he denies), but since he has no vision for America (other than his next grift), good ol' Trump reverts back to his rut of [i][b]misogyny[/b][/i] and [i][b]racism.[/b][/i] In other words his comfort zone of issues.[/QUOTE]Do you know how she got that Senate seat?

And to bust you on more of your bullshit.

I dare you to show us you didn't pull this out of your ass like everything else you subject us to with your keyboard diarrhea.

"Trump is an American Hitler" cmon be a big boy LMAO.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2935205]So this is the world according to QAnon/MAGA conspiracists?

--Trump is 75% orange, but sees himself as a white man (...kkkk!)
--Trump is 100% an asshole, but thinks he decent human being

Bottom line is, Obama, Veep Kamala Harris and Elizabeth Warren [b]are 100% American. Period![/b][/QUOTE]I thought the point of moderation was to protect people from fighting or being personally disparaging. Well, on this forum, it is literally promoting the Democratic POV. Shoot, if you are going to erase my post, then you should erase the one linked to it as well. You Dems cannot even censor right. You are so paranoid you are censoring politics on a hooker board? Somebody needs to get laid.

I know the incredibly objective George Stephanopoulos went on this idiotic rant with a black Congressman when Trump questioned Kamala's race. It was painful to see a white guy so offended on this topic. Hey, George, her fucking own birth certificate says she is 75% white, and she says that she is black and before she said she was Indian. And now your sex is a preference too?

It is funny that some of the whitest guys I know got genetic testing done and the results showed they were 1 or 2% black. Can they say they are black? Or black women?

What is so funny is this is what Kamala is running on, identity. How can we be racist when we do not what black is? How can we be sexist when we do not know what women are? What the hell do diversion and sexual equality even mean now?

I will make it easy for everyone. If you are Republican, you are racist and sexist, and we Democrats do not have to define what those terms mean. In fact, asking us to define those terms is proof you are racist and sexist. My God, you are so offensive, Elvis.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2935514]There are a lot of markers freaking people out with supposedly 100% accurate
measures of recession: the surge in the unemployment percentage, the unwinding of the inverted yield curve[/QUOTE]An inverted yield curve often [B]precedes[/B] a recession, and its unwinding does not. See, for example:

[URL]https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/the-longest-inverted-yield-curve-in-u-s-history-may-end-soon-what-it-means-for-stocks/ar-AA1oeOdb?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=f45c9d89cadd48cbb65d9cd9b72e4af4&ei=31[/URL]

"The financial market's top recession warning, the inverted yield curve, looks ready to end its record stretch of flashing a warning signal. ".

Or: [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_yield_curve[/URL].

"It has often been said that the inverted yield curve has been one of the most reliable leading indicators for economic recession during the post–World War II era. ".

Or: [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_yield_curve[/URL].

"The inverted curve reflects bond investors' expectations for a decline in longer-term interest rates, a view typically associated with recessions. ".

As to unemployment rates and recessions, even neocons like the "Sahm Rule," where you look at the three month moving average and not a random spike. But what you, personally (and others of your ilk), probably need to look at when deciding if "Democrats are douches" is probably the growth in real GDP during are administrations and the administrations. Here's your data source; let's see what you come up with.

[URL]https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/GDPC1/[/URL]

Hint: you lose!

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2935533]No failed China trade war? Why is it failed? Because you are anti America and pro China?

I see you are still upset we didn't get that 3rd and 4th term of Bubba, that wanted TPP would still be in effect if not for Our Lord and Savior.

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/04/business/china-hate-speech-xenophobia.html[/URL]

[URL]https://www.aa.com.tr/en/asia-pacific/4-us-college-instructors-local-tourist-injured-in-china-knife-attack/3246270[/URL]

Yes the Chinese are livid because the jig is up.

Yes they are so angry because the trade war against them failed..[/QUOTE]What did Trump's tax on American consumers and plunging the American Manufacturing and Agriculture Industries into Recession so deep he had to add billions more to the deficit by issuing emergency welfare checks just to keep them afloat accomplish for America?

How about zero.

On top of which it is highly likely that the reason Chinese anus-licker Trump defunded and removed those Early Warning Pandrmic Prevention teams from those Chinese labs in 2018 and 2019 contrary to all expert warnings for him not to do something so dangerous and stupid was simply to flatter Xi's ego in the midst of those failed negotiations that, "Oh, don't worry, Master. See? We trust you and your people to be honest actors and responsible to alert the world ASAP if any deadly virus begins to spread in and around your research labs. We trust you. ".

Which was exactly the wrong thing to do with the wrong people at the wrong time. A Trump specialty. Trump's Pandemic was created precisely because, AS EXPECTED, Xi and his people kept the spread of that virus and their knowledge of its virulence a secret for a few critical weeks until it was no longer possible to confine it to one region in China.

Thanks to your lord and savior Trump.

[B]China bought none of the extra $200 billion of US exports in Trump's trade deal[/B]

[URL]https://www.piie.com/blogs/realtime-economics/2022/china-bought-none-extra-200-billion-us-exports-trumps-trade-deal[/URL]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2935412]"It never made sense but what would trigger a selloff"?[/QUOTE]Really very simple, the Yen got stronger. Dollar got weaker in relationship to a huge trading partner. 20 Trillion in carry trades are being unwound. It's worse than the final scene out of trading places.

12% Sell off in TriFi. 30% Sell Off of BTC. Few days later BTC back to 56 K where it was a couple of weeks ago. This is normal volatility for those ACTUALLY familiar with markets. If you had correct positions sizes, investments within your range of risk tolerance good risk management strategies they its all good. NVDA is down but AMD is up. That is the market. Go Figure.

[B]Scared money don't make no money![/B]

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/07/opinion/kamala-harris-google-antitrust.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Huacho;2935645]An inverted yield curve often [B]precedes[/B] a recession, and its unwinding does not. See, for example:

[URL]https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/the-longest-inverted-yield-curve-in-u-s-history-may-end-soon-what-it-means-for-stocks/ar-AA1oeOdb?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=f45c9d89cadd48cbb65d9cd9b72e4af4&ei=31[/URL]

"The financial market's top recession warning, the inverted yield curve, looks ready to end its record stretch of flashing a warning signal. ".

Or: [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_yield_curve[/URL].

"It has often been said that the inverted yield curve has been one of the most reliable leading indicators for economic recession during the postWorld War II era.[/QUOTE]Exactly. The fact that more than 5% of any poll respondents could possibly conclude that Repubs are "better at handling the economy" than Dems, particularly Biden vs Trump, is simply a testament to how effective Mainstream Media's constant elevating of Repub failures vs denigrating Dem successes has been.

BTW, I highlighted in bold your accurate and fully substantiated point about [B]R[/B] vs [B]D[/B] economic growth because I have found that is the best way that I know of to override the auto-correct feature on this site when we use initials in that way.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2935645]An inverted yield curve often [B]precedes[/B] a recession, and its unwinding does not. Hint: you lose![/QUOTE]I want to make sure I have this right and where we are now in your opinion. So what you are saying, and correct me if I am wrong, is that the inverted yield curve WAS a huge negative but now that it is no longer inverted, we have nothing but sunny skies in front of us.

Is that right?

Of course, there is another possibility right? That we are in a recession right now and you do not know that we are.

[URL]https://mishtalk.com/economics/all-hell-breaks-loose-in-the-next-few-months-as-recession-bites/[/URL]

Again, this does not matter to me. An inverted yield curve preceding recession is a trend not a fact. It just means the big boys in the bond market have not been wrong when predicting recession. There is no guarantee their perfect record holds up.

The demonstrably Winger-leaning RealClearPolitics polling site has now followed their painfully reluctant decision to move Michigan away from Trump's side and into Harris' side with another painfully reluctant decision to move Wisconsin away from Trump's side and into Harris' side on their No Toss-Up States Electoral College Map:

[URL]https://www.realclearpolitics.com/[/URL]

Can Pennsylvania, Georgia, Nevada, etc be far behind? It is difficult to find a non +blue poll result on those Trump vs Harris polls these days.

BTW, why isn't Trump campaigning anywhere lately?

Covid?

Is he just too old and too tired?

Can't fill a stadium as fully as Harris does? (See photo below of the Philly arenas, Trump vs Harris. So many empty seats for Trump).

No more money to buy free hats, free beer and food for his rally attendees?

No reason to bother considering he is planning on his Fake Electors, Cheating State Election MAGAs mission to create chaos when certifying the votes and the always reliable Loony Repub MAGA 6 on the Supreme Court coming through for him to overthrow American democracy no matter what?

The perennial poor put-upon "victim" baby Donald "My Daddy Handed Me Billions and I Blew It" Trump is always coming up with some pathetic excuse.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2935808]I want to make sure I have this right and where we are now in your opinion. So what you are saying, and correct me if I am wrong, [/QUOTE]You're wrong. That's not what I said. I said that an inverted yield curve, and not [B]reversal of an inverted yield curve[/B], is what's considered by many to be a harbinger of recession. Your issues with reading comprehension really hold back your critical thinking skills (such as they are).

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2935785]You are douches because you do not understand what an inverted yield curve means.[/QUOTE]I wonder how I managed to teach finance at the university level, be a federally registered investment advisor, a CPA for twenty years, and work on a currency futures trading desk without knowing that. My graduate level Investment Strategies and Portfolio Management, and in Fixed Income Investments probably just didn't cover yield curves, or expectations theory, or liquidity preference theory. I must be a real douche. I'm probably even more of a douche because I don't try to time or beat the market, or think that I can. So I don't care about short term noise like the yield curve, the business cycle, or whether we are or are not, or will or will not be, in a recession.

My point on GDP being higher under Dems' regimes is not based on its effects on 'the market. ' It is based on its effects on society overall.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2935848]There is a special place in hell for those that Cheerlead for the butchering of babies.

[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/08/07/tim-walz-said-he-is-so-pro-abortion-nancy-pelosi-suggested-he-tone-it-down/[/URL]
...[/QUOTE]
You might be right...you may very well be right!

As you've told us on many occasions, that you were taught by the good catholic nuns, I can only assume, you would definitely know more about [i]"special places in hell"[/i], than I. So I will have to defer to you on this one?

But as the saying goes, [i][b]"The road to hell is paved with good intentions, but the road to heaven is full of good deeds"[/b][/i]

Under the Harris/Walz campaign, consider some of the following [i][b]"heavenly good deeds"[/b][/i], making better lives for Americans and their families:

--freedom from abortion bans, IVF or contraception bans
--freedom and control over your own body and government interference
--freedom to equality of Human, WOMEN and LBGTQ rights
--affordable health care
--affordable prescription drugs
--affordable housing
--affordable child care/Rearing
--affordable school tuition
--help/assistance with cost of living (for those who need it)
--right to a living wage
--paid leave

AND

--better border security
--no tax cuts or tax reform for the rich and wealthy billionaire elites and companies
--continued support for Ukraine
--sustained jobs in manufacturing, tech, AI, auto, renewable energy ...etc

These are some of the important issues that the Dems are tackling and confronting, that Americans want addressed from their elected government.

But what the hell issues, important to Americans are Repubs talking about?
--More tax cuts for the billionaires?
--Is Veep Harris 50% Black or 70% Indian?
--OMG, Why isn't Usha Chilukuri Vance, JD Vance's wife, white?

Just one culture war issue after another. The majority of Americans don't want another Repub administration hell bent on, 4 more years of culture war nonsense. And that is why Repubs will lose the popular vote (again) and why Repubs, will come to lose in [b][i]"ROEvember"[/i][/b]

So which "road" do you think the Repubs are on?

[QUOTE=Spidy;2935910]You might be right...you may very well be right!

As you've told us on many occasions, that you were taught by the good catholic nuns, I can only assume, you would definitely know more about [i]"special places in hell"[/i], than I. So I will have to defer to you on this one?

But as the saying goes, [i][b]"The road to hell is paved with good intentions, but the road to heaven is full of good deeds"[/b][/i]

Under the Harris/Walz campaign, consider some of the following [i][b]"heavenly good deeds"[/b][/i], making better lives for Americans and their families:

--freedom from abortion bans, IVF or contraception bans
--freedom and control over your own body and government interference
--freedom to equality of Human, WOMEN and LBGTQ rights
--affordable health care
--affordable prescription drugs
--affordable housing
--affordable child care/Rearing
--affordable school tuition
--help/assistance with cost of living (for those who need it)
--right to a living wage
--paid leave

AND

--better border security
--no tax cuts or tax reform for the rich and wealthy billionaire elites and companies
--continued support for Ukraine
--sustained jobs in manufacturing, tech, AI, auto, renewable energy ...etc

These are some of the important issues that the Dems are tackling and confronting, that Americans want addressed from their elected government.

But what the hell issues, important to Americans are Repubs talking about?
--More tax cuts for the billionaires?
--Is Veep Harris 50% Black or 70% Indian?
--OMG, Why isn't Usha Chilukuri Vance, JD Vance's wife, white?

Just one culture war issue after another. The majority of Americans don't want another Repub administration hell bent on, 4 more years of culture war nonsense. And that is why Repubs will lose the popular vote (again) and why Repubs, will come to lose in [b][i]"ROEvember"[/i][/b]

So which "road" do you think the Repubs are on?[/QUOTE]You still want to list the butchering of babies under "heavenly good deeds".

I believe moral people everywhere, believe stopping the butchering of innocent babies supersedes anything else you listed!!

[URL]https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/112887108527191005[/URL]

But you want to still Cheerlead for more of it with your ROEvember phrase?

[URL]https://nrlc.org/uploads/factsheets/FS01AbortionintheUS.pdf[/URL]

BTW not incidentally I am an ardent atheist.

[URL]https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/antisemitism-israel-hamas/2024/08/07/id/1175608/[/URL]

The Democratic party is the party of hate, they hate whites they hate Jews they hate Christians they hate anyone hetero.

[URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2024-08-07/liberation-dildo-mormon-story[/URL]

And "better border security" more full of shit double speak WTF you're a joke!!

Your sophistry is quite unimpressive I see you wouldn't correct your making up the JDV Hitler quote, COWARD!!

Now you want to intentionally conflate his wife being Indian and not white? Really who said she's white? Who said she's black? She says what she is, and that's what she is, not a fake race grifter / race hustler / race con artist like Harris.

[URL]https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/112887108527191005[/URL]

[URL]https://www.google.com/search?q=rachel[/URL]+dolez&rlz=1 CAZJQH_enID1051&oq=rachel+&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqBggAEEUYOzIGCAAQRRg7 MgYIARBFGDkyBggCEEUYPNIBCDQzNzRqMGo3 qAIAsAIA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8.

In his first interview since ending his re-election bid, President Biden expressed doubt Wednesday that there would be a peaceful transfer of power if former President Donald Trump wins the 2024 election.

"If Trump wins, no, I'm not confident at all," the 81-year-old president told "CBS News Sunday Morning".

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2935930]In his first interview since ending his re-election bid, President Biden expressed doubt Wednesday that there would be a peaceful transfer of power if former President Donald Trump wins the 2024 election.

"If Trump wins, no, I'm not confident at all," the 81-year-old president told "CBS News Sunday Morning".[/QUOTE]You know he immediately corrected himself and said, "I mean, if Trump loses", right?

No love for the Presidential Betting Odds anymore?

They are still available and accessible for review. Don't worry, they can flip-flop from one extreme to the other on a dime, much like Shady Pants, I mean [B]J.D.[/B] Vance's opinion of Donald Trump:

[URL]https://www.realclearpolitics.com/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Huacho;2935909]I wonder how I managed to teach finance at the university level, be a federally registered investment advisor, a CPA for twenty years, and work on a currency futures trading desk without knowing that. My graduate level Investment Strategies and Portfolio Management, and in Fixed Income Investments probably just didn't cover yield curves, or expectations theory, or liquidity preference theory. I must be a real douche. I'm probably even more of a douche because I don't try to time or beat the market, or think that I can. So I don't care about short term noise like the yield curve, the business cycle, or whether we are or are not, or will or will not be, in a recession.[/QUOTE]And? Why did you lock yourself up when a virus with a 0. 2% mortality came around? Because you were afraid and what you do not get is that is the time the real money is to be made when others are afraid. How many times have I said I cleaned up in the pussy market when you locked yourself away? So a guy like you is better off teaching shit like Efficient-market hypothesis and claiming all great investors are lucky. Big deal. Yes, by all means, someone with your emotional temperament should not try not to beat the market. The only that bugs me is professors like you telling people that anyone who does beat the market is lucky.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2935908]You're wrong. That's not what I said. I said that an inverted yield curve, and not [B]reversal of an inverted yield curve[/B], is what's considered by many to be a harbinger of recession. Your issues with reading comprehension really hold back your critical thinking skills (such as they are).[/QUOTE]Just stop with the nonsense. I quoted what others were saying as to why the market came down, and you feel inferior, and you should after locking yourself up while I was out having the time of my life, you want to prove you are right and I was wrong. I was mentioning to Cane what I was reading and hearing. Hell, I did not even look at bond yields myself until now. [URL]https://www.bloomberg.com/markets/rates-bonds/government-bonds/us[/URL].

The 3 months are paying 5. 22% yield and the 5 year is at 3. 85%. The yield curve is still inverted, so the person I quoted was getting ahead of himself.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2935909]My point on GDP being higher under Dems' regimes is not based on its effects on 'the market. ' It is based on its effects on society overall.[/QUOTE]LOL. Well, teach, you could have made the point that one of Warren Buffet's indicators, the market cap to GDP ratio, was at an all time high. [URL]https://www.longtermtrends.net/market-cap-to-gdp-the-buffett-indicator/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2935644][b]I will make it easy for everyone. If you are Republican, you are racist and sexist, Elvis[/b].[/QUOTE]Well you have stated the obvious and this is well know. Time for me to bet long shot or buy a lottery ticket. Because I actually agree with you.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2935717]I am not even gonna try to make sense of that schizophrenic indignant rant, to Admin.

FYI, I believe [b]Admin had[/b] initially censored correctly and [b]deleted [u]both[/u] our posts.[/b] Not sure why the initial posts were removed by Admin, I had just chalked it up to Admin just doing their job and administering however they see fit.

Look, no one likes their posts being removed or deleted, but most ISGers follow the guidelines of civil conduct and don't have too much of a problem when Admin steps in.

But too suggest Admin was picking sides or is some kind of DEI hire, I think, is just YOU BEING delusional with a side of order of schizophrenic paranoia.

Carry On![/QUOTE]Spidy,

Sad to see a person with so much piss and vinegar play the card. Maybe he should ask Elon to buy this and release his insightful rants.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2935958]You know he immediately corrected himself and said, "I mean, if Trump loses", right?[/QUOTE]He deliberately put it out there and then he later said, I mean if he loses, yeah right.

You can't take some things back and say that's not what I meant.

[URL]https://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/19/politics/trump-inauguration-protests-womens-march/index.html[/URL]

Here are some baby butchers for you, making some money off their EVIL.

[URL]https://nypost.com/2024/08/08/us-news/undercover-video-allegedly-shows-planned-parenthood-scandal/[/URL]

Lets hear it from all you fans!!

[QUOTE=CheckMate1;2936008]Spidy,

Sad to see a person with so much piss and vinegar play the card. Maybe he should ask Elon to buy this and release his insightful rants.[/QUOTE]That ISG is akin to how Twitter used to be so one sided.

[QUOTE=CheckMate1;2936008]Spidy,

Sad to see a person with so much piss and vinegar play the card. Maybe he should ask Elon to buy this and release his insightful rants.[/QUOTE]Just ask Walz the baby butcher of Minnesota.

[URL]https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/re-tim-walz-made-it-legal-to-coerce-women-into-abortions/?utm_source=recirc-desktop&utm_medium=blog-post&utm_campaign=river&utm_content=top-bar-latest&utm_term=fifth[/URL]

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2935925]You still want to list the butchering of babies under "heavenly good deeds".

I believe moral people everywhere, believe stopping the butchering of innocent babies supersedes anything else you listed!!

[URL]https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/112887108527191005[/URL]

But you want to still Cheerlead for more of it with your ROEvember phrase?

[URL]https://nrlc.org/uploads/factsheets/FS01AbortionintheUS.pdf[/URL]

BTW not incidentally I am an ardent atheist.

[URL]https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/antisemitism-israel-hamas/2024/08/07/id/1175608/[/URL]

The Democratic party is the party of hate, they hate whites they hate Jews they hate Christians they hate anyone hetero.

[URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2024-08-07/liberation-dildo-mormon-story[/URL]

And "better border security" more full of shit double speak WTF you're a joke!!

Your sophistry is quite unimpressive I see you wouldn't correct your making up the JDV Hitler quote, COWARD!!

Now you want to intentionally conflate his wife being Indian and not white? Really who said she's white? Who said she's black? She says what she is, and that's what she is, not a fake race grifter / race hustler / race con artist like Harris.

[URL]https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/112887108527191005[/URL]

[URL]https://www.google.com/search?q=rachel[/URL]+dolez&rlz=1 CAZJQH_enID1051&oq=rachel+&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqBggAEEUYOzIGCAAQRRg7 MgYIARBFGDkyBggCEEUYPNIBCDQzNzRqMGo3 qAIAsAIA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8.[/QUOTE]Even when the media generously bend over backwards every which way to ignore Trump's critical and singular role in laying the groundwork for, creating and exacerbating Trump's Pandemic, they can not ignore that his policies and stewardship led directly to the death of far more than 450,000 Americans, starting even BEFORE Trump's Pandemic.

[B]Trumps Policies Resulted In The Unnecessary Deaths Of Hundreds Of Thousands Of Americans: Lancet Report.
Feb. 11, 2021[/B]

[URL]https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2021/02/11/trumps-policies-resulted-in-the-unnecessary-deaths-of-hundreds-of-thousands-of-americans-lancet-report/[/URL]

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2935925]You still want to list the butchering of babies under "heavenly good deeds".

I believe moral people everywhere, believe stopping the butchering of innocent babies supersedes anything else you listed!!

But you want to still Cheerlead for more of it with your ROEvember phrase? [/QUOTE]Thanks for the conformation, as to which "road" Repubs are on! YES, see you in [I][b]"ROEvember"[/b][/I]. - Harris / Walz [I][b]"When WE fight, WE WIN!"[/b][/I].

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2935925]BTW not incidentally I am an ardent atheist.[/QUOTE]Sure dude, if you say so! But that doesn't negate all those unsolicited, rousing stories of your upbringing with the catholic nuns, [b]you so love to regal us with,[/b] from time to time.

Atheist...hmmm! The catholic nuns must be so disappointed! (...kkkk!)

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2935925]And "better border security" more full of shit double speak WTF you're a joke!!.[/QUOTE][I][b]NYT: On the Border, Republicans Set a Trap, Then Fell Into It[/b]
Congressional Republicans thought they had set a clever trap for Democrats that would accomplish complementary political and policy goals.
[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/06/us/politics/border-republicans-ukraine-bill.html[/URL][/I]

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2935925]Your sophistry is quite unimpressive I see you wouldn't correct your making up the JDV Hitler quote, COWARD!![/QUOTE]Agreed, convict Trump is a COWARD! , Your absolutely right! Good for you! And according to JDV [b]"America's Hitler"[/b]

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2935925]Now you want to intentionally conflate his wife being Indian and not white? Really who said she's white? Who said she's black? She says what she is, and that's what she is, not a fake race grifter / race hustler / race con artist like Harris. [/QUOTE][I][b]Critics Question JD Vance's 'Weird' Defense Of Wife Usha After White Supremacist Attacks[/b]. "Posts appear to have spiked this week following Vance's nomination criticizing Vance for marrying someone who is non-white, expressing concerns about an influx of Indian immigrants as a result and the so-called Great Replacement conspiracy have garnered hundreds of thousands of views according to individual post engagement figures." [URL]https://www.huffpost.com/entry/jd-vance-wife-usha-white-supremacist-attacks_n_66a5c296e4b0d5de59dcf049[/URL][/I]

Dude, you do the math on who's zooming who?

[b]HINT:[/b] "White supremacists don't like JDV's non-white choice for a wife" (...go figure!)

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2936009]He deliberately put it out there and then he later said, I mean if he loses, yeah right.

You can't take some things back and say that's not what I meant.

[URL]https://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/19/politics/trump-inauguration-protests-womens-march/index.html[/URL]

Here are some baby butchers for you, making some money off their EVIL.

[URL]https://nypost.com/2024/08/08/us-news/undercover-video-allegedly-shows-planned-parenthood-scandal/[/URL]

Lets hear it from all you fans!![/QUOTE]In Trump's astonishingly lunatic Mar-a-Lardo "press conference" today where he did not accurately answer any question (all asked perfectly pro Repub calmly and politely, no shouting and anger, unlike most you see of Dems) while demanding that Harris do "press conferences" like his where he does not answer any question accurately, he announced that under Joe Biden gasoline has gotten as high as "$8 per barrel", which (he lied) caused inflation to be the highest in history and (he lied) the economy to be the worst ever.

He never corrected himself. Not even as of this writing.

Can't take it back, right? Harris should feature that amazingly good news on energy costs under her administration in an ad.

LOL. You. Can. Not. Make. This. Stuff. Up.

Leave it to the Great Race / Ethnicity / Appearance / Religion Detective, Donald J. Trump, to put his now famous serious Cognitive Impairment, senility and dementia on full display at his Fake Mar-a-Lardo White House press conference by "misremembering" (or we can call it lying, your choice) a helicopter "emergenvy landing" that never happened.

But more importantly, his above-stated Detective work demonstrates that he can't even tell the difference between two rather well-known men, one a White guy and the other a Black guy!

Nikki Haley Nikki Haley Nikki Haley?

Or was it Nancy Pelosi?

Therefore proving that nobody in MAGA World is more qualified to be the arbiter of ANYONE'S Race / Ethnicity / Appearance / Religion than The Great Detective, Donald J. Trump, himself!

Lololol.

[B]Trump's Helicopter Crash Story Never Even Happened.
He's so full of crap, his eyes are brown.[/B]

[URL]https://crooksandliars.com/2024/08/trumps-helicopter-crash-story-never-even[/URL]

[QUOTE]It wasnt the famous former San Francisco mayor on the helicopter flight at all. It was Gov. Jerry Brown, the former governor of California, who bears little resemblance to Willie Brown.
.......
Jerry Brown, who left office in January 2019, said through a spokesman, There was no emergency landing and no discussion of Kamala Harris.

I call complete B.S., Mr. Newsom said, laughing out loud.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2936064]In Trump's astonishingly lunatic Mar-a-Lardo "press conference" today where he did not accurately answer any question (all asked perfectly pro Repub calmly and politely, no shouting and anger, unlike most you see of Dems) while demanding that Harris do "press conferences" like his where he does not answer any question accurately, he announced that under Joe Biden gasoline has gotten as high as "$8 per barrel", which (he lied) caused inflation to be the highest in history and (he lied) the economy to be the worst ever.

He never corrected himself. Not even as of this writing.

Can't take it back, right? Harris should feature that amazingly good news on energy costs under her administration in an ad.[/QUOTE]You must be a fan of butchering of babies not unlike ISGs #1 Cheerleader MrSpidy.

Where is your comment about that link, you have a twisted comment about everything else, but why not that.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2936064]In Trump's astonishingly lunatic Mar-a-Lardo "press conference" today where he did not accurately answer any question (all asked perfectly pro Repub calmly and politely, no shouting and anger, unlike most you see of Dems) while demanding that Harris do "press conferences" like his where he does not answer any question accurately, he announced that under Joe Biden gasoline has gotten as high as "$8 per barrel", which (he lied) caused inflation to be the highest in history and (he lied) the economy to be the worst ever.

He never corrected himself. Not even as of this writing.

Can't take it back, right? Harris should feature that amazingly good news on energy costs under her administration in an ad.[/QUOTE]

It was disgraceful journalism on display. Your depiction of poor level of journalism, at the "press conference", is spot on!

Yes, the live press or networks (in real-time) did not fact check him, they did not correct his lies, they did not press him with hardly any hardball questions, they did not follow up with questions incoherent rambling nor did they're bring their typical journalistic zeal and zest to the Trump "press conference".
[LIST]What I can't figure out, is if MSM:

1. have simply just grown too tried to do anything about his lies? [b]Or;[/b]
2. have gotten lazy to his lies? [b]Or;[/b]
3. are still fearful of his indignant rants and lashes out, about terrible fake questions, journalists or their news networks, often when he can't answer tough questions? [b]Or;[/b]
4. have succumb to his lies and surrendered all journalistic integrity? [b]Or;[/b]
5. [b]they were just bored to the lies[/b] and wanted to get it over with (...which I could totally understand)?[/LIST]Either way, MSM need to bring the same level of energy to Trump's [i]"old man"[/i] QAnon/MAGA campaign tour, as they do in a Dems press conference.

[b]PS:[/b] Note how tired "old man" Trump looked? Didn't he certainly look a paler shade of orange, than his usual self?

[QUOTE=Spidy;2936188]It was disgraceful journalism on display. Your depiction of poor level of journalism, at the "press conference", is spot on!

Yes, the live press or networks (in real-time) did not fact check him, they did not correct his lies, they did not press him with hardly any hardball questions, they did not follow up with questions incoherent rambling nor did they're bring their typical journalistic zeal and zest to the Trump "press conference".
[LIST]What I can't figure out, is if MSM:

1. have simply just grown too tried to do anything about his lies? [b]Or;[/b]
2. have gotten lazy to his lies? [b]Or;[/b]
3. are still fearful of his indignant rants and lashes out, about terrible fake questions, journalists or their news networks, often when he can't answer tough questions? [b]Or;[/b]
4. have succumb to his lies and surrendered all journalistic integrity? [b]Or;[/b]
5. [b]they were just bored to the lies[/b] and wanted to get it over with (...which I could totally understand)?[/LIST]Either way, MSM need to bring the same level of energy to Trump's [i]"old man"[/i] QAnon/MAGA campaign tour, as they do in a Dems press conference.

[b]PS:[/b] Note how tired "old man" Trump looked? Didn't he certainly look a paler shade of orange, than his usual self?[/QUOTE]It is way, way too much work to correct and fact-check Trump's classic Gish gallop of lies on the run. Best analogy is it would be like trying to catch confetti.

Yes, they COULD do it on screen with today's technology.

But lazy MSM would then have to come up with other ways of generating more clicks and views for their product than the one they have preferred and relied upon for at least 100 years; by simply spinning the narrative to help Repubs win elections and let THEM work their magic to produce the horrific headlines MSM craves and needs.

So now this post is censored which cracked me up.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2936188]FYI, I believe Admin had initially censored correctly and deleted both our posts.[/QUOTE]To recap my post was how can whites be racist when 50,75, and 100% white people are saying they are not white? How can we Republicans be sexist if Dems cannot define what a woman is? On a 1 to 10 scale, that is a 10 , a kill shot. There is no good answer to it.

So your response was a 0. Basically, Elvis, you are stupid. Trump is stupid, and Democrats are American. So if anybody should be clamoring for your post being censored, it should be me, and that is the last thing I want. I want everyone to see how pathetic your response was.

But beyond the arguing, you think censorship is good. Sorry, I do not. And how was this correct? You can still read what I wrote, and in your case if your post was censored, the person who should want it down the most wants it up. That is censorship is but I am not sure what the point of it is.

We just saw the idiocy with Covid and absolute obedience to leadership. And here you are Spidy worshipping an admin. I wonder how authority humping mongers live with themselves. I used to think it was they hated themselves, and I am sure some do. Now I just wonder what percentage are narcissists who think the government would understand their need for mongering when the truth is government is doing all it can to put mongers in jail.

So yeah, I do think there is a huge difference with Democrats and Republicans on this issue. Democrats want to be taken care of by government while Republicans want the government to leave us alone.

So Matt Taibbi posts this about a woman who has a bat fly into her house and somehow find a way to blame Trump and somehow got her in story in the NYT:

The New York Times ran a guest editorial by Belle Boggs, a North Carolina author who had a bat fly in her house. It didn't bite her, but she needed a sheriff's deputy, a county health nurse, state animal control, the CDC, and an E. Are. Doctor to tell her what to do about that. Naturally, the episode led her to think of Donald Trump:

Now this is what she wrote: After our visit from the bat, our sheriff's department, public health department and university hospital all functioned exactly as designed. The see. The. See. , a huge federal agency that works to protect every one of us from infectious disease, food-borne illness and emerging threats like bird flu, pulled through. The see. The. See. Is part of what Mr. Trump's allies would call the administrative state and is in the cross hairs of Project 2025, which proposes breaking up the agency. I want to believe Kamala Harris is right when she says "we are not going back" to a time when every calamity leaves us on our own.

Back to Taibbi: The conundrum of the column is that the author, who wrote a book called The Art of Waiting: On Fertility, Medicine, and Motherhood, does not know if she and her husband need rabies shots. She's sure the bat "hadn't gotten near our daughters," but uncertainties reign elsewhere. "How deep a sleeper are you?" the county health nurse asks, reminding Boggs the window to act is short. Author and husband ultimately spend $600 in co-pays to get shots and realize they've lived through another experience reminding them of the need to vote blue, at which point the column is written.

And here is his point: The real-life decision tree is simpler. If you know you're too much of a compulsive thinker to get through days of wondering if a rabid bat bit you in your sleep, you don't need the CDC to tell you you need to pay the $600, get the shots, and buy peace of mind.

So this is how dumb Democrats have gotten. They cannot make decisions. They have to have government decide for that. The interesting thing is I would agree with her on the CDC "functioning as designed" but she thinks that means the CDC serves her, and I am like shaking my head and asking. Really? After Covid? So I did a deep dive on how the CDC is functioning with rabies.

I remember at like a cub scout meeting where we were handling animals, and we were told you know if an animal bites you, you have to get 21 rabies shots in the stomach one a day for 21 days and if you do not do that, you are going to die because there is no cure for rabies. So fear of rabies has been ingrained us since children.

Common sense dictates that you should only worry about things you know others died of, and I know that no one here knows anyone who died of rabies in the USA, and you know why? Because of the average number of deaths in the USA over the last 50 years from rabies is one per year.

But that does not stop 60,000 people per year from getting preventive therapy including the vaccine, which costs $5000 on average for a total of $300 million per year. Now you can imagine what the vaccine companies are going to say. Well, there is only one death because our vaccines work so well which sound great until you learn that there were only one hundred deaths per year before the vaccine. And back then, they did not have a massive animal immunization program. 99% of the cases of rabies in the world come from dogs but because dogs are vaccinated so frequently here, dogs rarely cause rabies in the USA.

So you can make a calculation on what is best given risk and benefit. If ten people die a year from the vaccine and only one dies from rabies, you should not take the vaccine right? Yeah, it would be great to have that data right? It does not exist. What does exist is a list of side effects from the vaccine but the CDC does not have the percent incidence of side effects.

So this is why it took so many parties to make up their mind. No one knows what to do because there is no data. You have to read the mind of the person and realize that she wants the vaccine so you give it to her. If she dies of rabies, a doctor can be sued, but there is no way he can be sued if she is harmed from the vaccine because no one can prove the vaccine is harmful. She is deluding herself then when she thinks she got great treatment because no one knows that is.

As unbelievable as that is, there is this article in a scientific journal. For the record, PEP means postexposure prophylaxis which includes the vaccine. Here is the article, [URL]https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X18315421[/URL].

Randomized clinical trials (RCTs) in patients with potential or confirmed exposure to RABV are generally considered to bring the strongest proof of clinical effectiveness. It is critical that all clinical trials undertaken adhere to good clinical practice (GCP) including ethical approval and informed consent and never against placebo in rabies PEP trials. A case-control study therefore cannot serve to justify initial implementation, although it may be useful as part of downstream confirmation studies. At present, observational data may be the most convincing and ethical method by which to undertake the evaluation of rabies vaccines or changes in PEP regimens, before an RCT can be conducted.

Let me translate this: Usually there are two groups in a study. One group gets a placebo and the other gets a treatment. You then see if the intervention worked (the benefit) and ascertain the side effects of the intervention group versus the placebo group (the risk). That was not done with this vaccine. Instead, observation was used, and the observation was the vaccine was great with very few side effects.

And the most shocking line of all: There is no point in investing time, energy and money in conducting clinical trials with no expected gain in protecting human health.

And the author is right on that point. A study probably is not going to save lives given how few people die of rabies. On the other hand, it may change guidelines and hurt vaccine companies to the tune of billions.

So the CDC is working as expected in my mind. They are making billions for vaccine companies for diseases that rarely kill people, and you know you are a Democrat if that sounds great to you.

It is refreshing to see a member of typically pro Repub Mainstream Media finally OUT his own industry for their consistent denigration of Dems vs their eternal deference to Repubs.

This is a MUST SEE video:

[URL]https://youtu.be/ZD-oTJ49nls?si=MdqUrcAQtquqfFwx[/URL]

And as a reminder of another point and prediction I have made about this; as of this writing, no member of typically pro Repub Mainstream Media, not even Lawrence O'Donnell as seen in that great video, has dared to frame the current improvement in campaign donations and poll numbers for Dems as due to ANYTHING other than Joe Biden dropping out and endorsing Kamala Harris.

There has not been one word about that dramatic response in favor of the Dem campaign ALSO coinciding perfectly with the Grand Finale of that lunatic, lie-filled, clown show of idiocy Republican National Convention, the disturbingly weird Repub VP introduction and the always disturbingly weird King of Idiotic Clowns Donald J. Trump's Repub nomination rambling, incoherent blithering and hate-filled acceptance speech.

Oh no. They can not do that. Because if MSM dare to do that they would no longer be furthering their beloved Repubs' carefully concocted election campaign talking point that "America is simply relieved that the "failed" President Joe Biden has totally lost his Cognitive Competence and abandoned his "failed" presidency while our Repub former president, candidates and policies had been justifiably lovingly embraced all along. ".

And if that is the overriding Repub election campaign message then it must certainly be the typically pro Repub election campaign message too.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2936183]You must be a fan of butchering of babies not unlike ISGs #1 Cheerleader MrSpidy.

Where is your comment about that link, you have a twisted comment about everything else, but why not that.[/QUOTE]Which nonsensical, easily debunked, Winger fake news link was that?

The one on this topic?

[B]Planned Parenthood Investigations Find No Fetal Tissue Sales.[/B]

[URL]https://www.npr.org/2016/01/28/464594826/in-wake-of-videos-planned-parenthood-investigations-find-no-fetal-tissue-sales[/URL]

[B]Kamala Harris was not California's attorney-general when the anti-abortion activists were charged.
Bogus Harris claim returns after several years.[/B]

[URL]https://www.aap.com.au/factcheck/bogus-harris-claim-returns-after-several-years/[/URL]

[B]Fact check: Trump falsely claims Democratic states are passing laws allowing people to execute babies after birth.[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/06/politics/fact-check-donald-trump-abortion-babies-executed/index.html[/URL]

[B]What is the difference between an embryo, a fetus, and a baby?
Embryo, fetus, baby: the stages of development during pregnancy.[/B]

[URL]https://helloclue.com/articles/pregnancy-birth-and-postpartum/what-is-the-difference-between-an-embryo-a-fetus-and-a-baby[/URL]#text=As%20 pregnancy%20 progresses%20 the%20 embryo, we%20 are%20 most%20 comfortable%20 with.

Please clarify which link topic you would like me to opine about.

My, my, my...what a difference a few weeks in US politics, make?

I mean, where are they now? As just weeks/days ago, there were more Trump QAnon/MAGA supporters celebrating victory, with more posts in the American Politics forum, than you could shake-a-stick at, than I'd seen in a long while from Repubs. You couldn't get a word in edgewise, to inform our boisterous Repub QAnon/MAGA fellow ISGers that elections are won at the ballot-box.

There was jubilation, gleeful bloviating, blustering laughter, bristling bravado, MAGA hi-fives all-a-round, premature victory dances and celebration over Trump's defiant black fist pump amidst his near death shouting.[LIST][b]And my absolute favorite[/b] of all, were those MAGA supporters, quoting RFK Jr. as if to say, every once in a while, when he's figured out, how to string two (2) coherent sentences together, we (Dems) should take it as "gospel".[/LIST]But let's not be so harsh, on those QAnon/MAGA supporters, that love to quote RFK Jr., as I can see why they love, their madcap 3rd party spoiler and the crap that comes outta his mouth, since it isn't that dissimilar to the crap coming outta Trump and the "weirdos" like JD Vance.

BTW, speaking of weirdos, perhaps one of you Repubs and supporters of RFK Jr. can explain his confession, w/r to leaving a dead bear cub, in Central Park (2014), because he hadn't time to skin and eat it, on his way to catching a flight????

[u]Anywho, back to where has all the "hot air" gone from the DJT/JDV MAGA campaign?:[/u]

But I digress, back to the [i][b]Trump/Vance campaign, that has gone from hero to zero, in a matter of a couple of weeks.[/b][/i]

The Harris campaign took-in a record setting $310 million in July to convict Trump's less than half of Harris's total, with a meager $139 million.

The enthusiasm for Veep Harris/Walz campaign, is a wave of fresh new intense power, that is energetic, uplifting and energizing, in rally, after rally, after rally. With 2x the crowds and audiences, to that of DJT and stalker JDV.

With Trump being furious, about losing his advantage in the polls, it's obvious the losing is amplifying his meltdown and has naturally reverts back to his same old rut, and reaches into his birther bag of tawdry tricks of ugly comments and lies, when he's losing and his back is against the wall.

By some standards the campaign meltdown is quite literal, as [b]Trump just looks exhausted[/b], as he now resembles the [i][b]"old tired man"[/b][/i] on the campaign trail, that Repubs claimed Biden was. Trump is so visibly frazzled and gutted from the success of the Harris/Walz campaign, that took to Truth Social, sobbing and crying, just let everyone know he want Joe Biden back (...kkkk!). He writes...
[LIST][i]"This is the most Radical Left duo in American History. There has never been anything like it and there never will be again. Crazy Kamabla is, indeed CRAZY. I HEAR THERE IS A MOVEMENT TO BRING BACK CROOKED JOE." --August 6th, 2024 at 3:36pm[/i][/LIST]Once again the Repubs are like the dog that has caught the car and now don't know what to do with it. Just like Roe v Wade, Repubs got their wish for Biden to drop out of the race and now that they have their wish, they are caught flat-footed, as the Harris/Walz campaign of [i][b]"When WE fight WE WIN![/b][/i], is fun, is joyous, is breaking all kinds of records, is bringing in supporters "off the couch" of every socio-economic and political stripe and looks virtually unstoppable.
[LIST][i]NPR/PBS/Marist poll (Jul 22 to Aug 4th +/- 3.3%) shows a [b]23% point swing in independent voters for Veep Harris[/b] from 32% in mid-Jul to 53% in August. As for Trump, among independents, he went backwards like his campaign, from from 46% to 44% [/i][/LIST][LIST][i]Women, Black voters and independents have all moved toward Harris ... Because of Harris gains with certain groups, shes also improved her standing in the suburbs and with white voters overall...Harris now leads by 13 points with women (55-42 percent) ... Harris biggest boost is coming with Black voters.

She has gone from a 23-point lead with Black voters over Trump ... [b]Some Black voters, who appeared to be considering Trump, have moved away from him,[/b] as hes dropped 10 points with them. [URL]https://www.mprnews.org/story/2024/08/07/poll-harris-jumps-to-a-small-national-lead-over-trump[/URL][/i][/LIST]In contrast, the DJT/JDV MAGA campaign since the RNC convention, has been lack luster, stale, hateful, tired, clueless at times and [u]appears to be suffering from buyer remorse[/u], w/r to their choice of Veep in JD Vance. It looks like, it will take more than just medical white tape and gauze, over one's ear, to get Americans excited about his old tired, recycled MAGA campaign.

I'll say it again, as the Repubs only have themselves to blame. The reason Repubs are facing another bad, stale and uninspiring campaign, is because, since Trump took office and took over the RNC, they have been going backwards, devoid of new ideas, visionless, myopic and filled with Project 2025 cult like blind faith to billionaires and a charlatan, joyless and compassionless leader, who's only looking for the next grift, to enrich himself and his family.

Yes, it's not over and the race is most definitely won at the ballot-box. But [b]the momentum[/b] has definitely shifted over to the joyous and inclusive Harris/Walz campaign, were [i][b]"When WE fight WE WIN![/b][/i]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2936220]So Matt Taibbi posts this about a woman who has a bat fly into her house and somehow find a way to blame Trump and somehow got her in story in the NYT:

The New York Times ran a guest editorial by Belle Boggs, a North Carolina author who had a bat fly in her house. It didn't bite her, but she needed a sheriff's deputy, a county health nurse, state animal control, the CDC, and an E. Are. Doctor to tell her what to do about that. Naturally, the episode led her to think of Donald Trump:

Now this is what she wrote: After our visit from the bat, our sheriff's department, public health department and university hospital all functioned exactly as designed. The see. The. See. , a huge federal agency that works to protect every one of us from infectious disease, food-borne illness and emerging threats like bird flu, pulled through. The see. The. See. Is part of what Mr. Trump's allies would call the administrative state and is in the cross hairs of Project 2025, which proposes breaking up the agency. I want to believe Kamala Harris is right when she says "we are not going back" to a time when every calamity leaves us on our own.

Back to Taibbi: The conundrum of the column is that the author, who wrote a book called The Art of Waiting: On Fertility, Medicine, and Motherhood, does not know if she and her husband need rabies shots. She's sure the bat "hadn't gotten near our daughters," but uncertainties reign elsewhere. "How deep a sleeper are you?" the county health nurse asks, reminding Boggs the window to act is short. Author and husband ultimately spend $600 in co-pays to get shots and realize they've lived through another experience reminding them of the need to vote blue, at which point the column is written.

And here is his point: The real-life decision tree is simpler. If you know you're too much of a compulsive thinker to get through days of wondering if a rabid bat bit you in your sleep, you don't need the CDC to tell you you need to pay the $600, get the shots, and buy peace of mind.

So this is how dumb Democrats have gotten. They cannot make decisions. They have to have government decide for that. The interesting thing is I would agree with her on the CDC "functioning as designed" but she thinks that means the CDC serves her, and I am like shaking my head and asking. Really? After Covid? So I did a deep dive on how the CDC is functioning with rabies.[/QUOTE]Is truly a fundamental human right.

How can you have political discourse when one of the two points of view is being censored?

Its the epitome of injustice.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2936322]

I'll say it again, as the Repubs only have themselves to blame. The reason Repubs are facing another bad, stale and uninspiring campaign, is because, since Trump took office and took over the RNC, they have been going backwards, devoid of new ideas, visionless, myopic and filled with Project 2025 cult like blind faith to billionaires and a charlatan, joyless and compassionless leader, who's only looking for the next grift, to enrich himself and his family.][/QUOTE]While Biden looked and is TIRED, the DNC is still building out their network to run political campaigns for congressional, senatorial, and presidency, as well as locals. In the meanwhile, you have someone who does not have a history of doing so heading the RNC, and it will show in the next three months.

You have a groundswell of money and volunteers coming to the DNC now with renewed energy, and the opposite can be said about Earth 2. Volunteering doesn't sound sexy, but it is quite effective. You saw it in the first Clinton, first GW Bush, Obama, 2016 Trump, Biden, and now, what looks like Harris, campaign. Enthusiasm and momentum is going in Harris' direction. How long will it last remains to be seen.

Prediction: If momentum continues into October, not only will the "battle ground" states be secured, you may see one or two red states flipped.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2936183]You must be a fan of butchering of babies not unlike ISGs #1 Cheerleader MrSpidy.

Where is your comment about that link, you have a twisted comment about everything else, but why not that.[/QUOTE]You have called for a civil war in this country multiple times.

Real, flesh-and-blood babies die in a civil war.

Ergo: you should be the last person on earth to be worrying about dead babies.

Ah. While we wait a few minutes longer for the demonstrably Winger-leaning RealClearPolitics polling site to shift Pennsylvania from Trump to Harris in their No Toss-Up States Electoral College Map as they did recently with Wisconsin and Michigan, the poll lovers here might be interested to know that the 538 site is now showing Harris with a small but trending lead in Arizona along with her lead Nationally, in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Virginia (among their Battleground States list) and half of a percentage point from a lead in Georgia.

[URL]https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/[/URL]

And Nate Silver's Silver Bulletin now has Harris taking a new lead in Arizona and Nevada along with her lead Nationally, in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Virginia, with only a 1 percentage point distance from a lead in Georgia:

[URL]https://www.natesilver.net/p/nate-silver-2024-president-election-polls-model[/URL]

So the post-Republican National Convention Clown Show Festival of Blithering Lies campaign donations, campaign rally crowds and polling numbers Flight to Dems and the Dem Presidential Candidate continues at a steady pace.

And this is before Harris' likely Democratic National Convention boost, her likely Trump 34 Felony Conviction Sentencing boost and her likely 2nd blathering, non answer, lie-filled Trump debate boost.

Again, this would only be of interest to those who are into and enjoy citing the polls. You know, like a few posters here used to be but don't seem to be so much anymore.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2936430]You have called for a civil war in this country multiple times.

Real, flesh-and-blood babies die in a civil war.

Ergo: you should be the last person on earth to be worrying about dead babies.[/QUOTE][URL]https://nypost.com/2024/08/08/us-news/undercover-video-allegedly-shows-planned-parenthood-scandal/[/URL]

These babys arms and legs and organs are not flesh and blood? What are they, plastic?

So are you trying to say baby butchers kill babies that are fake?

And then you say I shouldn't worry about dead babies? WOW are you drunk?

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2936512][URL]https://nypost.com/2024/08/08/us-news/undercover-video-allegedly-shows-planned-parenthood-scandal/[/URL]

These babys arms and legs and organs are not flesh and blood? What are they, plastic?

So are you trying to say baby butchers kill babies that are fake?

And then you say I shouldn't worry about dead babies? WOW are you drunk?[/QUOTE]Glad you have strong conviction on this issue. You can choose to not abort in your family.

Now, Mine your own damn business!

Party of Life should not endorse abortion, wars, and death penalty. If one chooses any of the three is disqualified as Pro Life.

I wasn't shitting on Marquise. Sorry if I come across that way.

I believe that when it comes to the subject of Abortion, War or Death Penalty, the Republican has always been, shall we say, flexible on their choices. And that's okay, you can choose Death Penalty and not Abortion, or war instead of Abortion. But they allow zero flexibility for others to choose War not Abortion, or Death Penalty not Abortion, or any other combination.

Debates can be had with the second amendment, but don't call yourself Pro Life if you are willing to take a life to defend yourself, while opposing abortion. Because I'll defend you on protecting yourself to my last breathe, but unlikely that you'll defend someone who makes similar choice in their life to protect themselves.

The hypocrisy of pro life people is that they only care about the baby in the womb. Once it is born they are against all government policies to assist a mother to take care of their newborn baby!

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2936512][URL]https://nypost.com/2024/08/08/us-news/undercover-video-allegedly-shows-planned-parenthood-scandal/[/URL]

These babys arms and legs and organs are not flesh and blood? What are they, plastic?

So are you trying to say baby butchers kill babies that are fake?

And then you say I shouldn't worry about dead babies? WOW are you drunk?[/QUOTE]

Please get back to me, when this tired, 9-year old and 2015 [b]"alleged scandal"[/b], blatant hearsay, innuendo and unverified information, in your article becomes factual news and not just another hack and hatchet-job, to throw against the wall and see what sticks, against the Harris/Walz campaign.

Can you provide any new, recent or UPDATED information w/r to your "baby butcher" cabal? Other than a news article that is attempting to link the [b]"alleged scandal"[/b] back in 2015, with Veep Harris who just happen to be in office?

By all accounts, it sounds a bit like a Senator Katie Britt's SOTU response meme? I mean, sure Biden (in this case Harris) was in office at the time, but WTF?

BTW, I know how you just love to throw around this recycled winger slogan from 2015 and use the term interchangeably with [i][b]"killing"[/b][/i], like a winger with an AR-15 magazines on a shooting spree, but when does your so called [i][b]"baby butchering"[/b][/i] start and end? At child trafficking? Pizzagate?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2936447]

And this is before Harris' likely Democratic National Convention boost, her likely Trump 34 Felony Conviction Sentencing boost and her likely 2nd blathering, non answer, lie-filled Trump debate boost.

Again, this would only be of interest to those who are into and enjoy citing the polls. You know, like a few posters here used to be but don't seem to be so much anymore.[/QUOTE]Oh, because the recent polls are not in our favor? Yeah, Trump is at -118. You bet $100 and you get $118 for Trump. Harris at -110. You bet $110 and you win $100. So the odds are in your favor for now, and they will be until Trump attacks Harris for who she is. What you do not get is her support is an inch deep, and Trump has historically done better than the polls indicate.

For black people, it needs to be said Kamala's black father disowned her. She was putting black men in jail right and left. Particularly with black men, she needs to be told she is not your friend. According to her birth certificate, she is 25% black, and the only reason she claims to be black is she wants your vote. For God's sake, her relatives owned slaves. I have not seen that point be made.

And for white people, ask her why she is so ashamed of being 75% white. Is it the slave owning thing? Is race a choice now too? That is the thing with Democrats. Trump should say they call people like me racist and sexist while they claim that sex is a choice and Kamala chooses whatever race she thinks benefits her in the polls. You did not grow up in the hood. Heck, you did not even have the typical American educational experience. Most of your childhood you grew up in Canada.

Kamala did not have to campaign and right now she is not campaigning. All she is doing is going around telling people what they want to hear. That is fine. Let her. Wait for a few months and then ask the question, what does she stand for and whom does she represent? She did not win your vote to be the Democratic candidate right? She won the votes of the elite, and that is who she represents not you. She will do whatever George Clooney wants but not you.

Trump has Truth Social which is worth billions and hotels ETC. He does not need to be president to make money. Kamala does. Trump can draw people even if he is not president. Can she? Kamala owes people an unprecedented amount of favors, and the biggest racket for money making is war. The woman wants power not to do good but for herself. She wants power for fame and money. She will not use it for you the people. You are only there to give her your money to her and your attention for her fame. Ask the question, why does she want to be president?

The woman has no soul. If she were from Texas, she would be a mixed female Republican. She is not RFK Jr. A lifelong Democrat who has fought corporate America for the little guy and has truly dedicated his life to the health of Americans. What has Kamala Harris ever done? Kiss ass. She kissed Willie Brown's ass. She kissed Biden's ass and now she is kissing the ass of the American people.

Admit it Tooms. You do not know her. If she did not have Democrat after her name, you would have nothing to do with her.

I will give you this Tooms. If Trump does not show America who she really is, there is a good chance she wins and for now, he is not doing it. He has not even given her a nickname. My preference would be chameleon Kamala.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2936447]Ah. While we wait a few minutes longer for the demonstrably Winger-leaning RealClearPolitics polling site to shift Pennsylvania from Trump to Harris in their No Toss-Up States Electoral College Map as they did recently with Wisconsin and Michigan, the poll lovers here might be interested to know that the 538 site is now showing Harris with a small but trending lead in Arizona along with her lead Nationally, in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Virginia (among their Battleground States list) and half of a percentage point from a lead in Georgia.

[URL]https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/[/URL]

And Nate Silver's Silver Bulletin now has Harris taking [b]a new lead in Arizona and Nevada[/b] along with her lead Nationally, in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Virginia, with only a 1 percentage point distance from a lead in Georgia:

[URL]https://www.natesilver.net/p/nate-silver-2024-president-election-polls-model[/URL]

So the post-Republican National Convention Clown Show Festival of Blithering Lies campaign donations, campaign rally crowds and polling numbers Flight to Dems and the Dem Presidential Candidate continues at a steady pace.

And this is before Harris' likely Democratic National Convention boost, her likely Trump 34 Felony Conviction Sentencing boost and her likely 2nd blathering, non answer, lie-filled Trump debate boost.

Again, this would only be of interest to those who are into and enjoy citing the polls. You know, like a few posters here used to be but don't seem to be so much anymore.[/QUOTE]

Here is yet another good reason to highlight the surge in the uptick of voters for Harris in Arizona and Nevada, identified in your polling data.
[LIST][b]Note:[/b] BTW, although I'm not necessarily a huge "elections polls guy", please keep 'em coming, as they are much appreciated, even though some "others", suddenly don't care what the polls are now showing (...kkkk!)[/LIST]The Harris/Walz campaign, has just received the nation's oldest Latino Civil Rights Group endorsement. The League of United Latin American Citizens (LULAC), makes the [i][b]first-ever presidential endorsement,[/b][/i] for Harris.

[b]Conservative Latino Group Makes First Presidential Endorsement in 100 years[/b]
[URL]https://www.newsweek.com/latino-group-lulac-endorses-harris-walz-election-1937246[/URl]

So with the:

--Black Women for Harris, Black Men for Harris, White Women for Harris, White Dudes for Harris, Republicans for Harris

AND NOW:

--Latinos for Harris

Are all great signs, that the Harris/Walz campaign, is making all kinds of new records, inroads and connecting with Americans of all stripes, that are keen voters, volunteers and donors, that are getting behind the Harris/Walz campaign, for the big push to win in [b][i]ROEvember[/i][/b]. Especially with a strong WOMEN's vote and now thanks to LULAC, a strong Latino vote.

[b]PS:[/b] Xpartan, I think this may be the type of "Conservative/Repub" centrist (or center-right) swing voter/movement, you were hoping for, but wasn't sure Harris would ever get?

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2936512]Civil War? Would you any idea what hyperbole is?[/QUOTE]Yes, I do, and it doesn't sound like this:

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2936512]Let there be a Civil War 2.0. And all the smart money will be on the red team with all the guns.[/QUOTE]Now that your hyperbole claim is settled, there is this:

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2936512]

https://nypost.com/2024/08/08/us-new...thood-scandal

So are you trying to say baby butchers kill babies that are fake?[/QUOTE]No, I'm saying that your "baby butchers" are fake.

This POS video recorded by a professional conservative provocateur who had been trying to frame Planned Parenthood for years, was thoroughly debunked in 2015. Now the above-mentioned POS (the provocateur) released another 20 seconds of an expletive-laced exchange that mean precisely shit.

It would take a very special type of, well, thinker to buy this shit.

[B]Planned Parenthood: Fact v. Fiction[/B]

[URL]https://oversightdemocrats.house.gov/planned-parenthood-fact-v-fiction[/URL]

[B]Planned Parenthood Investigations Find No Fetal Tissue Sales[/B]

[URL]https://www.npr.org/2016/01/28/464594826/in-wake-of-videos-planned-parenthood-investigations-find-no-fetal-tissue-sales[/URL]

[QUOTE=Spidy;2936604]Here is yet another good reason to highlight the surge in the uptick of voters for Harris in Arizona and Nevada, identified in your polling data.
[LIST][b]Note:[/b] BTW, although I'm not necessarily a huge "elections polls guy", please keep 'em coming, as they are much appreciated, even though some "others", suddenly don't care what the polls are now showing (...kkkk!)[/LIST]The Harris/Walz campaign, has just received the nation's oldest Latino Civil Rights Group endorsement. The League of United Latin American Citizens (LULAC), makes the [i][b]first-ever presidential endorsement,[/b][/i] for Harris.

[b]Conservative Latino Group Makes First Presidential Endorsement in 100 years[/b]
[URL]https://www.newsweek.com/latino-group-lulac-endorses-harris-walz-election-1937246[/URl]..[/QUOTE]I too am not a big believer in polls "predicting" a presidential election outcome. Especially months before the election. But I saw others here celebrating and counting the days to the next Great Repub Depression, Great Repub Recession, Massive Repub Jobs Destruction and whatever new Great Repub Once in 100 Years Disaster that will surely accompany the next Repub presidency based on the recent (not current) polls.

What can be said about the polls for the most part over the years is a Consensus of Polls for the presidential race 2-3 days before election day tends to land within a normal +/-MoE of the actual vote. LOL. Which is a pretty low bar to achieve. Just about all of such Consensus of Polls can be arguably right and arguably wrong on that basis.

It turns out polls are not predictive of a Presidential election win. Neither are debate performances, age, money spent on the campaign, the VP candidate choice, lawn signs, rally crowd sizes and a whole host of other factors most professional and amateur pundits think predict the winner when history has been fairly clear they don't.

I've wasted too much time in this thread so have sworn it off, but am stopping by to reply to Paulie's off-topic comments elsewhere.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2936200]

P.S. By extension I want to thank the many dentally challenged at Trump rallies that pass along not only this, but varieties of other truths they are privy to, not only though the grapevine but through their social media accounts and other online "sources" that specialize in truth. These, who are always quick to remind us we are reading in the wrong places are the real heroes here.[/QUOTE]Dear Paulie,

Trump's definitely got the right idea on Ukraine -- try to bring the two sides together to negotiate a peace. But he's almost as likely as the other jokers in Washington to get the USA in a war with Iran or China. His trade wars suck, as does his idea to politicize the Fed. And while not as bad as most high profile Democrats, he's a spendthrift. Most importantly, he tried to steal an election. If I'm allowed to vote, it won't be for Trump. Or Kamala, she's worse than Trump. My vote will go to Chase Oliver. He's "armed and gay. " While Chase's gayness may not comport with your and my idea of a manly man, he'd keep the USA out of conflicts where it doesn't belong. He wouldn't cater to the military industrial alliance.

Speaking of which, I shall pray that you someday see the light, like your favorite president, Dwight D. Eisenhower did. Eisenhower did more to cater to the military establishment and arms industry than any president in post World War II America. But in the end he came around. I hope some day you do too.

"Our military organization today bears little relation to that known by any of my predecessors in peacetime.

....This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence economic, political, even spiritual is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government.

....In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

....We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together."

--- Dwight David Eisenhower

The worldwide military industrial complex is gaining power and money from the Ukraine conflict -- another good reason to pursue an end to this madness.

Kind regards,

Tiny

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2936577]Oh, because the recent polls are not in our favor? Yeah, Trump is at -118. You bet $100 and you get $118 for Trump. Harris at -110. You bet $110 and you win $100. So the odds are in your favor for now, and they will be until Trump attacks Harris for who she is. What you do not get is her support is an inch deep, and Trump has historically done better than the polls indicate.

For black people, it needs to be said Kamala's black father disowned her. She was putting black men in jail right and left. Particularly with black men, she needs to be told she is not your friend. According to her birth certificate, she is 25% black, and the only reason she claims to be black is she wants your vote. For God's sake, her relatives owned slaves. I have not seen that point be made.

And for white people, ask her why she is so ashamed of being 75% white. Is it the slave owning thing? Is race a choice now too? That is the thing with Democrats. Trump should say they call people like me racist and sexist while they claim that sex is a choice and Kamala chooses whatever race she thinks benefits her in the polls. You did not grow up in the hood. Heck, you did not even have the typical American educational experience. Most of your childhood you grew up in Canada.

Kamala did not have to campaign and right now she is not campaigning. All she is doing is going around telling people what they want to hear. That is fine. Let her. Wait for a few months and then ask the question, what does she stand for and whom does she represent? She did not win your vote to be the Democratic candidate right? She won the votes of the elite, and that is who she represents not you. She will do whatever George Clooney wants but not you..[/QUOTE]The fact that Harris is a Democrat and has been #2 in a Democratic Presidential Administration whose positive accomplishments for America and the spread of democracy around the world far outperformed most other Dem Administrations and ALL Repub Administrations is all I would have needed to know about Harris to fully endorse and vote for her. Although it is unavoidable that I do know more about her than that. And none of what I know, see and hear overrides that former overwhelming argument for any sane, patriotic American like me to support and vote for her.

Add to which we all know Trump very, very well and only an America-hating lunatic would want more of what that Repub brings to the table. As is true of virtually any Repub, of course, based on the overwhelming historical pattern of their policy and stewardship results vs that of the Dems.

Oh, here is the latest on the Presidential Betting Odds Consensus as posted on the demonstrably Winger-leaning RealClearPolitics site and as it currently appears on the Predictlt Betting Site, one of the more popular and followed sites, since you are very much into the idea that bets on the outcome in some way changes or influences the outcome:

[QUOTE=Spidy;2936604]Here is yet another good reason to highlight the surge in the uptick of voters for Harris in Arizona and Nevada, identified in your polling data.
[LIST][b]Note:[/b] BTW, although I'm not necessarily a huge "elections polls guy", please keep 'em coming, as they are much appreciated, even though some "others", suddenly don't care what the polls are now showing (...kkkk!)[/LIST]The Harris/Walz campaign, has just received the nation's oldest Latino Civil Rights Group endorsement. The League of United Latin American Citizens (LULAC), makes the [i][b]first-ever presidential endorsement,[/b][/i] for Harris.

[b]Conservative Latino Group Makes First Presidential Endorsement in 100 years[/b]
[URL]https://www.newsweek.com/latino-group-lulac-endorses-harris-walz-election-1937246[/URl]

So with the:

--Black Women for Harris, Black Men for Harris, White Women for Harris, White Dudes for Harris, Republicans for Harris

AND NOW:

--Latinos for Harris

Are all great signs, that the Harris/Walz campaign, is making all kinds of new records, inroads and connecting with Americans of all stripes, that are keen voters, volunteers and donors, that are getting behind the Harris/Walz campaign, for the big push to win in [b][i]ROEvember[/i][/b]. Especially with a strong WOMEN's vote and now thanks to LULAC, a strong Latino vote.

[b]PS:[/b] Xpartan, I think this may be the type of "Conservative/Repub" centrist (or center-right) swing voter/movement, you were hoping for, but wasn't sure Harris would ever get?[/QUOTE]Maybe. She's already doing better than I thought she would.

[QUOTE=Elvis 2008;2936577]Oh, because the recent polls are not in our favor? Yeah, Trump is at -118. You bet $100 and you get $118 for Trump. Harris at -110. You bet $110 and you win $100. So the odds are in your favor for now, and they will be until Trump attacks Harris for who she is. What you do not get is her support is an inch deep, and Trump has historically done better than the polls indicate.

For black people, it needs to be said Kamala's black father disowned her. She was putting black men in jail right and left. Particularly with black men, she needs to be told she is not your friend. According to her birth certificate, she is 25% black, and the only reason she claims to be black is she wants your vote. For God's sake, her relatives owned slaves. I have not seen that point be made.

And for white people, ask her why she is so ashamed of being 75% white. Is it the slave owning thing? Is race a choice now too? That is the thing with Democrats. Trump should say they call people like me racist and sexist while they claim that sex is a choice and Kamala chooses whatever race she thinks benefits her in the polls. You did not grow up in the hood. Heck, you did not even have the typical American educational experience. Most of your childhood you grew up in Canada. [/QUOTE] Hogwash!

Yes, by all means reach into that birther bag, of racist nonsense, as if the percentage (%) of the racial makeup of a candidate means anything over the content of their character and what they represent and stand for.

[b]Trump's father was a racist who attended KKK rallies.[/b] Trump identifies with Hitler and has been called "America's Hitler" by his own veep, JD Vance, whom he chose and is now having buyer's remorse.

Trump is a felon, convict, charlatan, crook, overall cheat (at business taxes, golf and life), sex offender and adulterer. I think those things speaks more to the content of one's character than any hereditary racial and ethnic trait or characteristics, that are out of one's control.

Who are you, to question how someone wishes to identify?

Elvis 2008, by the same token and illogic, I'm surprised your not asking, if JD Vance, isn't ashamed of being white, since he did not marry a women, who is 100% white? (If even being 100% is a real thing?)

The press have vilified her and thinks he didn't exactly defend his wife very well when asked about all the attacks with regards to his non-white wife. And please explain [b]why are white supremacists so upset and outraged[/b] and attacking, Usha Chilukuri Vance for not being white? And why does her son have a name like Vivek?

[b]'Total loser': J.D. Vance fumes after Trump's white supremacist pal attacks his wife[/b]
[URL]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/total-loser-jd-vance-fumes-after-trumps-white-supremacist-pal-attacks-his-wife/ar-AA1oBTPz[/URL]

[u]Your post is yet just another stupid nonsensical rant, in a long line culture war rants, wanting to stir up shit where there is none![/u]

Just like you idiot Repubs/QAnon/MAGA numbskulls do, with cartoon and fictional characters, like purple Dinosaurs and purple Teletube Babies. Just Pathetic!

[QUOTE=Elvis 2008;2936577] Kamala did not have to campaign and right now she is not campaigning. All she is doing is going around telling people what they want to hear. That is fine. Let her. Wait for a few months and then ask the question, what does she stand for and whom does she represent? She did not win your vote to be the Democratic candidate right? She won the votes of the elite, and that is who she represents not you. She will do whatever George Clooney wants but not you. [/QUOTE] (...kkkk!) You must be joking, right? We still don't know what Trump stands for (after over 1-year of campaigning) other than [b][i]tax-cuts for the rich[/i][/b] and [i][b]"drill baby drill"[/b][/i], both of which do very little to help hard working Americans, navigate the competitive future labor, manufacturing and business markets ahead.

[QUOTE=Elvis 2008;2936577] Trump has Truth Social which is worth billions and hotels ETC. He does not need to be president to make money. Kamala does. Trump can draw people even if he is not president. Can she? Kamala owes people an unprecedented amount of favors, and the biggest racket for money making is war. The woman wants power not to do good but for herself. She wants power for fame and money. She will not use it for you the people. You are only there to give her your money to her and your attention for her fame. Ask the question, why does she want to be president? [/QUOTE] Yes money is nice, but those who think it is everything above all else, are lost to what the job of presidency is really about. Trump cares nothing for serving his country and being the narcissist that he is, believes America should serve him.

[QUOTE=Elvis 2008;2936577] The woman has no soul. If she were from Texas, she would be a mixed female Republican. She is not RFK Jr. A lifelong Democrat who has fought corporate America for the little guy and has truly dedicated his life to the health of Americans. What has Kamala Harris ever done? Kiss ass. She kissed Willie Brown's ass. She kissed Biden's ass and now she is kissing the ass of the American people.

Admit it Tooms. You do not know her. If she did not have Democrat after her name, you would have nothing to do with her.

I will give you this Tooms. If Trump does not show America who she really is, there is a good chance she wins and for now, he is not doing it. He has not even given her a nickname. My preference would be chameleon Kamala.[/QUOTE] Your funny! (...kkkk!) You should take a good look at your own candidate. Trump is not only is soulless, but is heartless, godless, faithless, gutless, remorseless, emotionless and thoughtless. But all that flawed content of character means nothing to you, perhaps because you can self-relate to his ilk and his emotional and empathetic bankruptcy?

Come [i][b]ROEvember[/b][/i], you'll come to find out America wants nothing more to do with him.

[QUOTE=Elvis 2008;2936217]So now this post is censored which cracked me up.

To recap my post was how can whites be racist when 50,75, and 100% white people are saying they are not white? How can we Republicans be sexist if Dems cannot define what a woman is? On a 1 to 10 scale, that is a 10 , a kill shot. There is no good answer to it. [/QUOTE] (...kkkk!) Sure dude, if that's what you think you were saying. Frankly, your culture war rhetoric and percentages of what [u]you think[/u] is someone racial or ethnic make up, is just nonsense. Pure Rubbish!

[QUOTE=Elvis 2008;2936217]So your response was a 0. Basically, Elvis, you are stupid. Trump is stupid, and Democrats are American. So if anybody should be clamoring for your post being censored, it should be me, and that is the last thing I want. I want everyone to see how pathetic your response was. [/QUOTE] Hey Elvis 2008, I also did NOT mention that Looney Tunes characters like, Buggs Bunny, Daffy Duck, Elmer Fudd, Foghorn Leghorn, Wile E. Coyote, The Road Runner and good ol' apple pie & ice cream, are American. [b]But they are 100% American.[/b]

So what exactly is the culture war point you're trying to make?

[QUOTE=Elvis 2008;2936217]But beyond the arguing, you think censorship is good. Sorry, I do not. And how was this correct? You can still read what I wrote, and in your case if your post was censored, the person who should want it down the most wants it up. That is censorship is but I am not sure what the point of it is. [/QUOTE] Yeah, want now? Not sure of anything you just mentioned. So once again, my counterpoint to your culture war nonsense, was that Obama, Veep Harris and Sen. Elizabeth Warren are %100 American. PERIOD! No argument here!

[QUOTE=Elvis 2008;2936217]We just saw the idiocy with Covid and absolute obedience to leadership. [b]And here you are Spidy worshipping an admin.[/b] I wonder how authority humping mongers live with themselves. I used to think it was they hated themselves, and I am sure some do. Now I just wonder what percentage are narcissists who think the government would understand their need for mongering when the truth is government is doing all it can to put mongers in jail.[/QUOTE] It's hilarious how you love to weave COVID in to everything...kkkk! Your answer to most everything these days is COVID this and COVID that...kkkk!

Hey, weave whatever COVID narrative, into your gish gallop viewpoints about governments, mongerers, self-loathing and culture wars purple dinosaurs, if it helps you sleep at nights. Pray at the alter of COVID and worship the gods of Coronavirus, if it brings you peace. But your COVID rants, have always been just more gish gallop, to me.

Yeah, you're just such a censorship rebel without a pause. Well fell free to show us, how you make your own rules and follow no one rules but your own. Be a good censorship rebel why don't you, and show us how much of a censorship rebel you are?

But given all your ISG admin censorship gish gallop and misplaced rage has been, I don't recall even a peep outta your censorship-ass, when REAL censorship has taken place in any of your book burning / book banning Repub ruby red states. Not a freakin' peep! [b]So please spare me your self-righteous indignation about "ISG censorship"![/b]

[QUOTE=Elvis 2008;2936217]So yeah, I do think there is a huge difference with Democrats and Republicans on this issue. Democrats want to be taken care of by government while Republicans want the government to leave us alone.[/QUOTE] (...kkkk!) Sure Elvis 2008...sure! And I'm sure that's what the big banks, big corporations and GM told themselves back in 2008, right!
[LIST]Let take a look at a history of Repubs and Dems being [b]"taken care"[/b] of by U.S. government bailout of American corporations (and one city), calculated in 2008 dollars:

--Penn Central Railroad, 1970 ($3.3 billion), Lockheed 1971 ($1.4 billion),
--Franklin National Bank 1974 ($7.8 billion), New York 1975 ($9.6 billion),
--Chrysler 1980 ($4.0 billion), Continental Illinois National Bank and Trust Company 1985 ($9.5 billion),
--Savings & Loan 1989 [b]($293.3 billion)[/b], Airline Industry 2001 ($18.6.3 billion),
-- Bear Stearns 2008 ($30 billion), Fannie Mae / Freddie Mac 2008 [b]($400 billion)[/b],
--American International Group (A.I.G.) 2008 [b]($180 billion)[/b], Auto Industry 2008 ($25 billion),
--Troubled Asset Relief Program 2008 [b]($700 billion)[/b], Citigroup 2008 [b]($280 billion)[/b],
--Bank of America 2009 [b]($142.2 billion)[/b][/LIST]Sure Elvis 2008...sure!

[QUOTE=Spidy;2936690]
Trump is a felon, convict, charlatan, crook, overall cheat (at business taxes, golf and life), sex offender and adulterer. I think those things speaks more to the content of one's character than any hereditary racial and ethnic trait or characteristics, that are out of one's control. Just like you idiot Repubs/QAnon/MAGA numbskulls do, with cartoon and fictional characters, like purple Dinosaurs and purple Teletube Babies. Just Pathetic! Trump is not only is soulless, but is heartless, godless, faithless, gutless, remorseless, emotionless and thoughtless. But all that flawed content of character means nothing to you, perhaps because you can self-relate to his ilk and his emotional and empathetic bankruptcy?[/QUOTE]First, you have all this venom. Jesus, I swear people have less despicable things to say about murderers on death row.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2936690]And then there is this, We still don't know what Trump stands for[/QUOTE]The only justification for that kind of attitude is if you were tortured from 2016 to 2020. He was president for 4 years and you do not know what he stands for or how he will govern? Talk about pathetic. Your name calling reached epic levels with these two posts and yet nothing about Harris. Shit, you have no idea why you are voting for her.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2936690]It's hilarious how you love to weave COVID in to everything...kkkk! Your answer to most everything these days is COVID this and COVID that...kkkk![/QUOTE]Being force fed Covid? Shit, you dumb Dems did that for years. Given it cost us 2 years of freedom and $10 trillion and was a farce, I do not think it gets enough talk. You keep wanting to sweep it in the never mind pile.

But that was not even what the question was about. It was about how you can be such an authority humper and not hate yourself with mongering being illegal. You did not talk about that, but I think it is pretty obvious now you are a follower and the people you follow tell you it is okay to call the 75 million people who voted for Trump stupid, that it is okay to see hookers, and that abortion is the most important issue in the world. Your group must be giving you some pussy to be pushing this mind numbing agenda.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2936666]The fact that Harris is a Democrat[/QUOTE]You can stop there.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2936666]Thas been #2 in a Democratic Presidential Administration whose positive accomplishments for America and the spread of democracy around the world far outperformed most other Dem Administrations and ALL Repub Administrations is all I would have needed to know about Harris to fully endorse and vote for her. Although it is unavoidable that I do know more about her than that.[/QUOTE]Yes, she has accomplished so much you cannot name one damn thing she has done. Between Spidy's two posts and your one, you have no reason to vote for her outside of her being a Democrat. You are just going to vote whoever the elites put out so why should we even have voting? We have already identified Spidy as a non-thinking authority humper. Maybe we should add you to the list too.

For people who still enjoy considering the Polls, of course:

Three new Polling Services of enough credibility and quality for the 538 Site to post them and factor them into their Election Forecasts, Morning Consult, Big Village and The Bullfinch Group, have Harris / Walz beating Trump / Vance across the board in the Head-to-Heads and 5-Ways, among Registered Voters, Likely Voters, All Americans, on Favorability (all positive for Harris and Walz, all negative for Trump and Vance), etc in the General Election and in the critical Battlegound States of WI, MI and PA, along with every Senate race in those states going to the Dem.

Amazing:

[B]Latest Polls, ending August 10, 2024.[/B]

[URL]https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/[/URL]

The 538 Site has yet to re-activate their Who Is Favored To Win feature since the Repub Convention ended with a Lying Clown Crash and Joe Biden decided that was a good time to drop out of the race and shift his support and positive polling trends to his VP.

When they do, I presume Harris / Walz will top their Electoral Vote Forcast with well over 270 EVs and a sizable lead in the Popular Vote. Just as Biden / Harris had been doing quite often post-debate, in the final weeks before Biden dropped out and even during the Repub National Convention Lying Clown Show.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2936884]You can stop there.

Yes, she has accomplished so much you cannot name one damn thing she has done. Between Spidy's two posts and your one, you have no reason to vote for her outside of her being a Democrat. You are just going to vote whoever the elites put out so why should we even have voting? We have already identified Spidy as a non-thinking authority humper. Maybe we should add you to the list too.[/QUOTE]The sad reality is, based on all Repub Administration policy and stewardship results for the past 100 years, as a Democrat, [B]EVEN I[/B] would be a better president than any or all of the Repubs combined!

And that is even if I governed from my apartment, the restaurants and entertainment venues in Bangkok for the entire 8 years of my presidency.

By stark contrast, what Biden-Harris accomplished in just 3 1/2 years is truly stellar.

Among them:

[B]23 of the Biden/Harris terms greatest accomplishments.
April 2, 2024[/B]

[URL]https://www.kanedems.org/2024/04/23-of-joe-bidens-greatest-accomplishments-as-president-of-the-united-states/[/URL]

Thanks again, Joe and Kamala.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2936931]For people who still enjoy considering the Polls, of course:

Three new Polling Services of enough credibility and quality for the 538 Site to post them and factor them into their Election Forecasts, Morning Consult, Big Village and The Bullfinch Group, have Harris / Walz beating Trump / Vance across the board in the Head-to-Heads and 5-Ways, among Registered Voters, Likely Voters, All Americans, on Favorability (all positive for Harris and Walz, all negative for Trump and Vance), etc in the General Election and in the critical Battlegound States of WI, MI and PA, along with every Senate race in those states going to the Dem.

Amazing:

[B]Latest Polls, ending August 10, 2024.[/B]

[URL]https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/[/URL]

The 538 Site has yet to re-activate their Who Is Favored To Win feature since the Repub Convention ended with a Lying Clown Crash and Joe Biden decided that was a good time to drop out of the race and shift his support and positive polling trends to his VP.

When they do, I presume Harris / Walz will top their Electoral Vote Forcast with well over 270 EVs and a sizable lead in the Popular Vote. Just as Biden / Harris had been doing quite often post-debate, in the final weeks before Biden dropped out and even during the Repub National Convention Lying Clown Show.[/QUOTE]The convict doesn't know to fight back yet. Everything he's doing is geared toward Biden, which was successful. But now, the campaign just sounds like a Rick Roll meme. Jon Stewart pointed this out at the 12:12 minutes mark of the video: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VW6tHIcGfc[/URL].

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2936931][b]OMG. It's a clean sweep for the Dems in these polls.[/b] For people who still enjoy considering the Polls, of course:

Three new Polling Services of enough credibility and quality for the 538 Site to post them and factor them into their Election Forecasts, Morning Consult, Big Village and The Bullfinch
Group, have Harris / Walz beating Trump / Vance across the board in the Head-to-Heads and 5-Ways, among Registered Voters, Likely Voters, All Americans, on Favorability (all positive for
Harris and Walz, all negative for Trump and Vance), etc in the General Election and in the critical Battlegound States of WI, MI and PA, along with every Senate race in those states going
to the Dem.

Amazing:

[B]Latest Polls, ending August 10, 2024.[/B]

[URL]https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/[/URL][/QUOTE]

With such terrific polling numbers trending well for the Harris/Walz campaign, I'm going to start a rumor, that many Repubs, are now are seriously considering, thinking and wondering, [b]if it's too late,[/b] to do what the Dems did [i](since Repubs haven't had an original thought, in over a 100 years)[/i] and swap out Trump for Nikki Haley and [b]JD Vance[/b] for [b]"QAnon Shaman"[/b] (Jacob Chansley), to run a real campaign, out of his halfway house (...kkkk!)

[QUOTE=Checkmate1;2937022][b]Still a lot of time left.[/b]

The convict doesn't know to fight back yet. Everything he's doing is geared toward Biden, which was successful. But now, the campaign just sounds like a Rick Roll meme. Jon Stewart pointed this out at the 12:12 minutes mark of the video: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VW6tHIcGfc.[/url] [/QUOTE]

At 78 yrs of age, Trump has never had to truly fight for anything in this life. I'm not sure he has any REAL fight in him. Typically, men and women with REAL fight, know they are innocent of the injustice charged against them and they are more than willing (even eager) to go to trial and prove their innocence.

I think what you're now seeing is Trump, in [b]"desperation mode"[/b]. Now that the convict and felon, feels the election slipping away from him, desperation is starting to set in.

[u]Plan B:[/u]
By some accounts, I think Trump has already begun to execute [b]"Plan B."[/b] So what is "Plan B", you ask? Well, you guessed it:
[LIST] 1. more intensified verbal threats and gaslighting;
2. more accusations of other people cheating and committing fraudulent behavior;
3. throw yet another VP under the bus and blame JD Vance and other sycophants for his failures;
4. more accusations charging Biden...I mean Harris with election interference;
5. break glass in case of emergency and fire-up the 70+ pro-Trump election deniers in key battle ground states officiating the results, to muddy the election waters;

AND of course, last but not least:

6. proclaim everything else, is either fake, unfair, unconstitutional or stacked and rigged against him.[/LIST]Ergo "Plan B" in a nutshell, is just more Jan 6th type, criminal insurrection stuff.

[b]PS:[/b] Yes, there is "still a lot of time left" (as you've said), for Trumps lies, bullying, pretenses and QAnon/MAGA shenanigans of desperation!

[QUOTE=CheckMate1;2937022]The convict doesn't know to fight back yet. Everything he's doing is geared toward Biden, which was successful. But now, the campaign just sounds like a Rick Roll meme. Jon Stewart pointed this out at the 12:12 minutes mark of the video: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VW6tHIcGfc[/URL].[/QUOTE]LOL. That comparison sequence is hilarious. He knows his numbskull Repub base won't even notice or care.

Why do Repubs, Donald Trump and Elon Musk hate the American Working Men and Women so much?

[B]UAW hits Musk, Trump with federal labor charges over union-busting comments.[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/13/musk-trump-uaw-labor-union-x-interview.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]

[QUOTE]The United Auto Workers filed federal labor charges against Donald Trump and Elon Musk for their comments applauding the practice of firing employees who threaten to strike.

Under federal law, it is illegal to fire workers who threaten to strike.

Trump has been vying for the labor vote in the presidential race against Vice President Kamala Harris, though the UAW has already endorsed the vice president.[/QUOTE]Listening to the audio of slurring and lisping Trump and addle-brained Musk laughing about this you can actually hear the delight in these two "billionaire" con men criminals' voices in hating the American Working Men and Women.

[QUOTE=Elvis 2008;2936884] Yes, she has accomplished so much you cannot name one damn thing she has done. Between Spidy's two posts and your one, you have no reason to vote for her outside of her being a Democrat ...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2936952]The sad reality is, based on all Repub Administration policy and stewardship results for the past 100 years, as a Democrat, [B]EVEN I[/B] would be a better president than any or all of the Repubs combined!

And that is even if I governed from my apartment, the restaurants and entertainment venues in Bangkok for the entire 8 years of my presidency.

By stark contrast, what Biden-Harris accomplished in just 3 1/2 years is truly stellar.

Among them:

[B]23 of the Biden/Harris terms greatest accomplishments.
April 2, 2024[/B]

[URL]https://www.kanedems.org/2024/04/23-of-joe-bidens-greatest-accomplishments-as-president-of-the-united-states/[/URL]

Thanks again, Joe and Kamala.[/QUOTE]

Excellent Resumes for them both!

YES! What's not to like and love about the many, many, many accomplishments of the 14th Best President in US Presidential history. And the always supportive Veep Harris, doing her job as
the brilliant understudy.

I guess it good to have a boss who cares deeply for you and your career, and wants you to succeed. Verses one who brandishes you as a traitor, then tries to execute you, with an angry insurrectionist mob, brandishing a noose, flagpoles and sharp or blunt objects, to either have you hung, impaled or beaten to death.

Harris (in the article), has done some good work as VP, on things like immigration, voting rights, gun violence, maternal health care, abortion, broadband expansion, Juneteenth,
[URL]https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/07/26/kamala-harris-vice-president-accomplishments/74534954007/[/URL]

The tone deaf people, like Elvis 2008, that weirdly think Dems don't have strong and compelling reasons to vote for the Harris/Walz ticket, perhaps can explain why so many Repubs and Independents are now voting for Harris, under those same compelling reasons?

Harris/Walz are giving some red states pause and reasons enough for them to now be considered as new battle ground states that could fall. We are hearing from both Repubs and Dems, on the ground in states like Ohio, Texas and North Carolina, that Trump may not carry the day, in these states. And that they think these states are at worst, are "in-play" for Dems and at best are very much "up for grabs" and winnable".

Yes, Thanks again President Biden and Veep Harris, for giving Repubs and Independents, [b]99 reasons[/b], but [b]being a Dem[/b] by virtue, just ain't one!
[LIST][b]PS:[/b] Got to give Nikki Haley credit, as she maybe right about one thing, when she said:

[i][b]"Most Americans do not want a rematch between Biden and Trump. So the first party to retire its 80 year old candidate, is going to be the party that wins this election." [/b][/i]

We'll see in ROEvember! But it's a good thing Repubs, don't actually listen to their women and pay them lip service! (...kkkk!)[/LIST]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2936890] I have never met anyone in my life who went into government by choice. People who go into it do so for security not excellence, and most cannot wait to get their pensions and get the hell out.[/QUOTE][B]With all due respect you do not know a thing about how things work in the US Government[/B] The idea is for individuals to rotate out of private industry and into the highest levels of government developing contacts with political figures and career government workers in order to further the salary and bonuses they get from their private employers. That is the revolving door of industry insiders.

Gary S. Gensler, is a former investment banker for Goldman Sachs. Can someone say [I]get the fuck[/I]! He is Chairman of the SEC now.

You think the president of Goldman Sachs cannot call the Chairman of the SEC and have a private off the record conversation with him?

Nobody points shit like that out. But that is how it happens. So if Trump wins, watch how in fills government positions with those from the highest levels in private industry that are still on his good side.

Cook Political Report is one of the more highly respected polling services:

[URL]https://www.realclearpolling.com/latest-polls/election[/URL]

[B]Swing State Project: August 14, 2024 Toplines
August 14, 2024[/B]

[URL]https://www.cookpolitical.com/survey-research/2024-swing-state-project/14Aug2024-toplines[/URL]

[QUOTE]The Swing State Project is a collaboration between The Cook Political Report and two pollsters, BSG and GS Strategy Group. Below are the toplines from the August 2024 poll. In total, 2,867 likely voters across seven swing states (Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, North Carolina, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin) completed the survey.

In the seven states combined, Vice President Kamala Harris leads former President Donald Trump in a head-to-head matchup 48% to 47%.[/QUOTE]Trump leads Harris only in Nevada in these polls, +3 in the Head-to-Head, +5 in the 5-Way. This was before the audio interview of him and Musk laughing about how much fun it is to fire the American Working Men and Women for daring to expect to be fairly paid and treated, especially union workers.

Trump should have canceled that Republican National Convention, promised to name a VP candidate "in two weeks" and remained silent and hidden in that last basement Men's Room stall he usually hides in when frightened.

In 1991, Lichtman and coauthor Ken DeCell published The 13 Keys to the White House (Madison Books, 1991), a book laying out the 13-key forecasting system initially developed in 1981 by Lichtman and renowned mathematician Vladimir Keilis-Borok. They developed the keys based on their analysis of trends in presidential campaigns since 1860.

The 13 keys are simple to use: if 8 or more of the 13 keys are true for the incumbent party, its candidate will win the election—but if fewer than 8 are true, the challenger will win.

1. Party mandate: After the midterm elections, the incumbent party holds more seats in the US House of Representatives than after the previous midterm elections. FALSE.

2. Contest: There is no serious contest for the incumbent party nomination. TRUE.

3. Incumbency: The incumbent party candidate is the sitting president. FALSE.

4. Third party: There is no significant third party or independent campaign. TRUE.

5. Short term economy: The economy is not in recession during the election campaign. TRUE.

6. Long term economy: Real per capita economic growth during the term equals or exceeds mean growth during the previous two terms. TRUE.

7. Policy change: The incumbent administration effects major changes in national policy. TRUE.

8. Social unrest: There is no sustained social unrest during the term. TRUE.

9. Scandal: The incumbent administration is untainted by major scandal. TRUE.

10. Foreign / military failure: The incumbent administration suffers no major failure in foreign or military affairs. TRUE.

11. Foreign / military success: The incumbent administration achieves a major success in foreign or military affairs. FALSE.

12. Incumbent charisma: The incumbent party candidate is charismatic or a national hero. TRUE.

13. Challenger charisma: The challenging party candidate is not charismatic or a national hero. FALSE.

9 out of 13 by mine count.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2937221][B]With all due respect you do not know a thing about how things work in the US Government[/B] The idea is for individuals to rotate out of private industry and into the highest levels of government developing contacts with political figures and career government workers in order to further the salary and bonuses they get from their private employers. That is the revolving door of industry insiders.

Gary S. Gensler, is a former investment banker for Goldman Sachs. Can someone say [I]get the fuck[/I]! He is Chairman of the SEC now.

You think the president of Goldman Sachs cannot call the Chairman of the SEC and have a private off the record conversation with him?

Nobody points shit like that out. But that is how it happens. So if Trump wins, watch how in fills government positions with those from the highest levels in private industry that are still on his good side.[/QUOTE]W/R to the miseducation of Elvis 2008, that is certainly a topic for conversation for another day. A day, I hope I never have to see!

Your point is well made and I would add, that many of those titans, captains and lieutenants of industry, often also personally benefit immensely by moving into government jobs, even after very successful private industrial careers.

One of the most egregious and indelible examples of this, was Hank Paulson the chairman and CEO of Goldman Sachs, who IMHO, took the gov't job (Sec. of the Treasury under George W. Bush), simply to avoid paying taxes. Boat loads of taxes! The irony in 2008 was that, then George W. Bush, was "paying-off/out" his banker donors, with lucrative tax breaks, to the very people who caused the sub-prime crash of 2008.

In July 2006, Paulson, was able to [b]dodge a tax hit of $200 million[/b], in state and Federal capital gains taxes. By taking advantage of a (George H. W. Bush) 1989 one-time loophole, that gave candidates, in a handful of high level positions, the ability to liquidate his or her entire portfolio without paying a dime in capital gains taxes. Naturally, this was just another corporate welfare tax pretense, dress up to supposedly "attract talent" to gov't jobs.

Needless to say, despite any Repub, right-wing rhetoric or propaganda, about only one class of people receiving gov't welfare, is all bunk. Rest assured corporate welfare is alive, well and kicking (as shown in a previous post of mine, w/r to educating Elvis 2008).

IMHO, much like Trump, there are many men and women, that are less interested in servicing their country and more interested in benefiting and enriching themselves or their cronies (as you've made abundantly clear), off the backs of hard working Americans, they care nothing to very little about.

This casual like disdain, that billionaires and corporate welfare have for American workers, was clearly on display a couple days ago, during the glitchy, strange, rambling and cringy bromance "interview" between Trump & Musk.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2936884]
Yes, she has accomplished so much you cannot name one damn thing she has done. [/QUOTE]Au contraire. She's largely responsible for FOSTA and SESTA and shutting down Back Page. She's done a lot for illegal Latin American immigrants, looking to come to the USA to start a new life. She vastly improved Willie Brown's sex life.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2936881]...it is okay to call the 75 million people who voted for Trump stupid, that it is okay to see hookers, and that abortion is the most important issue in the world. Your group must be giving you some pussy to be pushing this mind numbing agenda.[/QUOTE]How are you supposed to feel smart if there aren't people out there you think are stupider than you? That's important to build self esteem and achieve life satisfaction. And there's nothing wrong with seeing hookers. What are you doing on this board anyway? Finally any red blooded American male will lie his ass off to get pussy. Are you gay or something?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2936881]Elvis, you are stupid. Trump is stupid, and Democrats are American.[/QUOTE]Don't begrudge him Elvis. While not true, this is a good way for him to build his self esteem.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2936577]For black people, it needs to be said Kamala's black father disowned her. She was putting black men in jail right and left. Particularly with black men, she needs to be told she is not your friend. According to her birth certificate, she is 25% black, and the only reason she claims to be black is she wants your vote. For God's sake, her relatives owned slaves. I have not seen that point be made.[/QUOTE]What are you complaining about? You're not black. You lock up all the young black men like Kamala was doing and that means more ebony poontang for the rest of us! Thank you Kamala!

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2936577] All she is doing is going around telling people what they want to hear....chameleon Kamala. [/QUOTE]Telling people like Willie Brown? What's so bad about that? If my lady tells me I have a large penis and fakes orgasms, that's just icing on the cake.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2936577]She kissed Willie Brown's ass. She kissed Biden's ass and now she is kissing the ass of the American people.[/QUOTE]Well by damn I hope she gets around to me soon. I can't wait to have that wench's tongue up my ass massaging my prostate.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2936220]So Matt Taibbi posts this about a woman who has a bat fly into her house and somehow find a way to blame Trump and somehow got her in story in the NYT:

The New York Times ran a guest editorial by Belle Boggs, a North Carolina author who had a bat fly in her house. It didn't bite her, but she needed a sheriff's deputy, a county health nurse, state animal control, the CDC, and an E. Are. Doctor to tell her what to do about that. Naturally, the episode led her to think of Donald Trump:

Now this is what she wrote: After our visit from the bat, our sheriff's department, public health department and university hospital all functioned exactly as designed. The see. The. See. , a huge federal agency that works to protect every one of us from infectious disease, food-borne illness and emerging threats like bird flu, pulled through. The see. The. See. Is part of what Mr. Trump's allies would call the administrative state and is in the cross hairs of Project 2025, which proposes breaking up the agency. I want to believe Kamala Harris is right when she says "we are not going back" to a time when every calamity leaves us on our own.

Back to Taibbi: The conundrum of the column is that the author, who wrote a book called The Art of Waiting: On Fertility, Medicine, and Motherhood, does not know if she and her husband need rabies shots. She's sure the bat "hadn't gotten near our daughters," but uncertainties reign elsewhere. "How deep a sleeper are you?" the county health nurse asks, reminding Boggs the window to act is short. Author and husband ultimately spend $600 in co-pays to get shots and realize they've lived through another experience reminding them of the need to vote blue, at which point the column is written.

And here is his point: The real-life decision tree is simpler. If you know you're too much of a compulsive thinker to get through days of wondering if a rabid bat bit you in your sleep, you don't need the CDC to tell you you need to pay the $600, get the shots, and buy peace of mind.

So this is how dumb Democrats have gotten. They cannot make decisions. They have to have government decide for that. The interesting thing is I would agree with her on the CDC "functioning as designed" but she thinks that means the CDC serves her, and I am like shaking my head and asking. Really? After Covid? So I did a deep dive on how the CDC is functioning with rabies.[/QUOTE]Well of course she thought of Trump. It's women's intuition. And the truth is a lot scarier than what she paints it to be. Trump not only is going to destroy democracy and lead us to nuclear Armageddon, but he's also the leader of a colony of vampire bats. They're turning our children into blood suckers and yes, spreading rabies and disease. Another reason not to vote for Trump!

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2936217]So yeah, I do think there is a huge difference with Democrats and Republicans on this issue. Democrats want to be taken care of by government while Republicans want the government to leave us alone.[/QUOTE]And what's wrong with that? Who doesn't want to sit at home all day, watch television and eat bon bons and be taken care of by the State? Thank you Joe Biden and Kamala Harris!

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2935969]LOL. Well, teach, you could have made the point that one of Warren Buffet's indicators, the market cap to GDP ratio, was at an all time high. [URL]https://www.longtermtrends.net/market-cap-to-gdp-the-buffett-indicator/[/URL][/QUOTE]Come on Elvis. Haven't you heard of tulip mania, the South Sea Bubble, Amway, and other classic money making schemes? There's still a lot laying on the table, ready to be scooped up. Warren's record cash holdings shouldn't be viewed as a bad omen by the way. That's the logical thing if you're in your 90's. Why hold on to a bunch of stocks when you can convert to cash and then use it to party, and bang lots of sugarbabies and high-dollar-hottie hookers?

I could go on, but I'm getting tired of this. Wise up Elvis.

[QUOTE=Elvis 2008;2936881]The only justification for that kind of attitude is if you were tortured from 2016 to 2020. He was president for 4 years and you do not know what he stands for or how he will govern? Talk about pathetic. Your name calling reached epic levels with these two posts and yet nothing about Harris. Shit, you have no idea why you are voting for her.[/QUOTE] W/R to Veep Harris, see recent post [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2467-American-Politics&p=2937212&viewfull=1#post2937212[/url] and the USA Today article.

So once again (I ask for the 2nd time), remind me what exactly does Trump stands for, other than [b]tax-cuts for the rich[/b] and [b]"drill baby drill"[/b], as he and Musk, laugh and besmirch working class Americans?

[QUOTE=Elvis 2008;2936881]But that was not even what the question was about. It was about how you can be such an authority humper and not hate yourself with mongering being illegal. You did not talk about that, but I think it is pretty obvious now you are a follower and the people you follow tell you it is okay to call the 75 million people who voted for Trump stupid, that it is okay to see hookers, and that abortion is the most important issue in the world. Your group must be giving you some pussy to be pushing this mind numbing agenda.[/QUOTE]

Well that was a weak and muted response! Wasn't very "rebellious" and "rebel" like, now was it?

That response was very much indicative of the Trump/Vance campaign, that has gone from [b]"hero to zero"[/b], in no time at all.

Where did that so called [b]"censorship rebel"[/b] disappear to? The dude, who's fighting for the poor, weak and oppressed ISGers, suffering under your delusional so called, [i]"brutal ISG Administration regime"?[/i]

You know the "censorship rebel", that has vowed to liberate and free the oppressed and enslaved ISG masses? Where's that guy??? (...kkkk!)

With the latest Trump/Roger Stone/RNC hack, by Iranians (according to the FBI) and sensitive campaign information has been leaked to the media/pubic, Repubs are now advocating that the contents of the hack should not be used as political ammunition, considering the source of the information comes from one of "our" staunch enemies. Remind you of anything?

Yes, much like the hypocrisy of Elvis 2008's so called ISG sensorship fake outrage and being censured, it was never something that he or Repubs every pay attention to, UNTIL of course, it happens to them.

Back in 2016, Trump and Repubs didn't hesitate to use the Russian backed leaked emails to WikiLeaks, taken from the hacked Clinton/DNC servers, by "our" (but apparently not one of Trump's) enemies, to enhance his campaign's chances of winning.

Today the Repubs, want the media and Dems, to give them the courtesy and goodwill, they NEVER give Hillary Clinton in 2016. Yet more hypocrisy from the Repubs.

Meanwhile, across the country, REAL censorship is taking place, primarily by Repubs in red states. Dictionaries and classic literary works, such as "The Catcher in the Rye", "The Grapes of Wrath", "To Kill a Mockingbird" and "The Bluest Eye", are being banned, to serve a backward Repub/QAnon/MAGA political, Project 2025 agenda.

So tell me again, Elvis 2008, [b]is it all forms of censorship you despise[/b] or [b]only when in applies you[/b], like the recent Trump/RNC hack?

[QUOTE=Spidy;2937299]
One of the most egregious and indelible examples of this, was Hank Paulson the chairman and CEO of Goldman Sachs, who IMHO, took the gov't job (Sec. of the Treasury under George W. Bush), simply to avoid paying taxes. Boat loads of taxes! The irony in 2008 was that, then George W. Bush, was "paying-off/out" his banker donors, with lucrative tax breaks, to the very people who caused the sub-prime crash of 2008.[/QUOTE]And Robert Rubin took it under Clinton. Big deal. That is my point. The only people wanting to go into government today are the ones who do get the big payouts.

Well, here is another one who loved being in politics. Dolton Mayor Tiffany Aiesha Henyard, who has been dubbed "America's Worst Mayor", has disappeared after an investigation into the village's spending revealed more than $3. 5 million in debt, "out of control" credit card spending and $40,000 spend on Amazon purchases in one day.

[URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/dolton-mayor-tiffany-henyard-disappears-after-investigation-reveals-35-million-hidden-debt[/URL]

And then there is disgraced mayor Lori Lightfoot making $400 an hour investigating the worst mayor. Yeah, well, she knows a thing or two about corruption after being Chicago's mayor.

[URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/political/chicagos-lori-lightfoot-lands-400-hour-job-investigating-even-worse-mayor[/URL]

And then there was Fani Willis who was using tax dollars to pay off and screw her BF on the public dole. [URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/political/jim-jordan-whips-out-subpoena-devastates-fani[/URL].

Of course, Fani may have learned this trick from Kamala. For getting off Willie Brown, she landed jobs worth six figures at taxpayer expense. Yeah, Tooms, I got to say when you say Democrats create jobs, they are really good at creating these types of jobs.

And I wonder what exactly do these four pols have in common? Hmm. Yeah, they were all Democrats but maybe there is something else. Oh yeah, I forgot.

The one thing we can say those is all four of those Democratic pols get the Tooms seal of approval. You can do no wrong if you are a Democrat.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2937305]Au contraire. She's largely responsible for FOSTA and SESTA and shutting down Back Page.[/QUOTE]You got me! [URL]https://www.fastcompany.com/91167281/kamala-harris-backpage-fosta-sesta[/URL].

Now we just have to see why with Tooms, Spidy, and Xpartan and all the other mongers think this does not matter. My bet is they think it is other men not them. Kamala knows how special they are.

It just cracks me up that these dummies think Kamala is on their side. Yeah, she was good for WB's sex life. Then as soon as she was Attorney General she said he was the first one she would lock up for anything. Then Biden chooses her as VP. After 3 years, she turns on him and was willing to hit him with the 25th amendment if he did not step down. And all those freedom loving pot smoking black men who voted for her saw her turn her back on them as well. And before all them, her father disowned her. I do not think it is possible for a woman to hate men more than Kamala does. Before you go into a relationship, you look for red flags, and the biggest red flag with a woman is one with daddy issues.

Of course, that does not mean that women are in the clear. [URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/political/mean-girls-winning-script-kamala[/URL].

Call it Kamala's "Mean Girls" strategy: Turn the 2024 presidential campaign into an election for prom queen. ("Mean Girls" is Tina Fey's brilliant political allegory about a high school girl named Regina George who leverages her looks, gossip, and adolescent insecurities and cravings to rule over the student body until the uncool kids topple her to restore their freedom.).

Harris' strategy is to win by being cool, not by being competent. Democrats aren't even trying to prove that she has the brains, judgment, and gravitas to be the leader of the free world. Instead, they're embracing her skin-deep nature, highlighting her energy and appearance, and building her campaign on a foundation of social memes, social standing and social ridicule, too.

For example, when British pop star Charlie XCX said that "Kamala is brat" cool-girl slang for someone who's disorganized and says dumb things, but powers through it and gets what she wants anyway Kamala's campaign immediately embraced the meme.

Kamala wasn't cool in June before the Hollywood / media / cultural clique unified around their newly anointed leader. But her social standing soared when glamorous Hollywood stars showered her with money and love, and beautiful anchors and hip commentators on all mainstream media outlets gushed over her in unison while burying any talk of previous policies and statements.

Her first anti-Trump riposte is right out of the movie, too, as she and her parroting cool clique seek to make Trump and J. The. Vance as socially toxic as high school Mathletes. "They're weird!" the Queen and her acolytes say in unison (and everyone knows it's social suicide to like people who are weird)!

End of link. So she is a mean girl and her female staff would certainly vouch to that.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2937305]I could go on, but I'm getting tired of this. Wise up Elvis.[/QUOTE]To be honest, she and her campaign are so fucking pathetic, I almost want her to win. There would be no Reagan without Carter. She has this amazing hooker like projection of making it sound like you are special and she is so on your side when she has no clue what your side even is. She will tell you whatever you want. I would expect that this kind of hooker talk from her, "OMG, I have never been with a man as big as you".

Thing is Kamala had this interview with Lester Holt. It was about as softball as you can get but even he is like see'Mon. Kamala, you have not been to the border.

And her response was, "You haven't been to the border?" "I haven't been to Europe" said Kamala. They are not related at all. ".

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omrMRP15q9M[/URL]

Again, it is what you would expect if you interviewed a high end provider about the border.

Well, she did do something else. She may have started the war in Ukraine by tweeting this before the war, When I was in Poland, I met with USA And Polish service members, thanking them for standing with our NATO allies for freedom, peace, and security. The United States stands firmly with the Ukrainian people and in defense of the NATO alliance.

That is enough of a reason for Xpartan to vote for her.

To quote Bill Murray, so she has that going for her which is nice.

[QUOTE=Elvis 2008;2937348]You got me! [URL]https://www.fastcompany.com/91167281/kamala-harris-backpage-fosta-sesta[/URL].

Now we just have to see why with Tooms, Spidy, and Xpartan and all the other mongers think this does not matter. My bet is they think it is other men not them....[/QUOTE]

Good post Elvis. She's wisely saying as little of substance as possible, even with the teleprompter. She's running a "Chance the Gardener" campaign, if you remember the movie "Being There." Indeed some of our fellow board members, the Kamala supporters, seem to suffer from Stockholm Syndrome. As an advocate of criminal justice reform, free markets, and a viable domestic oil and gas industry, I believe she sucks.

I don't like Trump and I won't vote for him. But the world's not going to come to an end if he's elected.

I don't believe it will either if Kamala is elected, PROVIDED Republicans control the Senate and / or House. From the fiscal perspective (deficits and the national debt), that might be a decent outcome. She could wreck havoc though if she decides to do something like handicap fossil fuels to the point where we're paying California-like prices for energy.

The worst case scenario is if it's a clean Democratic Party sweep. Then there will be hell to pay. And we won't have Kyrsten Sinema and Joe Manchin protecting the Democratic Party from its worst instincts.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2937377]Good post Elvis. She's wisely saying as little as possible. She's running a "Chance the Gardener" campaign, if you remember the movie "Being There. " Indeed some of our fellow board members, the Kamala supporters, seem to suffer from Stockholm Syndrome. As an advocate of criminal justice reform, free markets, and a viable domestic oil and gas industry, I believe she sucks.

I don't like Trump and I won't vote for him. But the world's not going to come to an end if he's elected. I don't believe it will either if Kamala is elected, PROVIDED Republicans control the Senate and / or House. She could wreck havoc though if she decides to do something like handicap fossil fuels to the point where we're paying California-like prices for energy. The worst case scenario is if it's a clean Democratic Party sweep. Then there will be hell to pay. And we won't have Kyrsten Sinema and Joe Manchin protecting the Democratic Party from its worst instincts.[/QUOTE]It is always great for a laugh to hear anyone express concern about a Dem Administration with ANY particular Party conttol in the House and Senate doing serious damage to the American economy after EVERY Repub Administration of the past 100 years has produced and presided over the worst economic downsturns and series of downturns regardless which Party controls the House and Senate but certainly the worst of the worst when Repubs also control the House and the Senate. LOL.

Meanwhile, nothing, zero, nada of the kind has ever happened when Dem Administrations also have Dem control of the House and the Senate. In fact, nothing but damn great results have occurred under that perfectly benign condition while nothing but horrific results have occurred when Repubs are in total control of all three.

The great danger in blithely rooting for a Repub Majority in the House and / or Senate is then all it takes is one more blithering numbskull Electoral College quirk in one individual blithering numbskull Repub's favor to complete the Triumverate of Terror and Total Economic Disaster of a Repub in the White House with a Repub Majority House and Senate.

That is too great a risk for any patriotic American to take when the Dem alternative has shown throughout history to produce zero downside risk of even a notable mild and momentary economic downturn.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2937348]You got me! [URL]https://www.fastcompany.com/91167281/kamala-harris-backpage-fosta-sesta[/URL].

Now we just have to see why with Tooms, Spidy, and Xpartan and all the other mongers think this does not matter. My bet is they think it is other men not them. Kamala knows how special they are.

It just cracks me up that these dummies think Kamala is on their side. Yeah, she was good for WB's sex life. Then as soon as she was Attorney General she said he was the first one she would lock up for anything. Then Biden chooses her as VP. After 3 years, she turns on him and was willing to hit him with the 25th amendment if he did not step down. And all those freedom loving pot smoking black men who voted for her saw her turn her back on them as well. And before all them, her father disowned her. I do not think it is possible for a woman to hate men more than Kamala does. Before you go into a relationship, you look for red flags, and the biggest red flag with a woman is one with daddy issues.


Well, she did do something else. She may have started the war in Ukraine by tweeting this before the war, When I was in Poland, I met with USA And Polish service members, thanking them for standing with our NATO allies for freedom, peace, and security. The United States stands firmly with the Ukrainian people and in defense of the NATO alliance.

That is enough of a reason for Xpartan to vote for her.[/QUOTE]Your "she may have started the war in Ukraine" lunacy notwithstanding, why on earth would you drop my name in your diatribe? I'm not in awe with Kamala Harris. I said in this very forum that I would've been happier with another candidate who's more their own person and not mostly known as a sidekick.

That said, Kamala Harris is the only person currently standing between Donald Trump and America.

You know my take on Donald Trump. He is a calamity. I think if elected again, Donald Trump will attempt to end our democracy and way of life. This is my EDUCATED guess based on what he already did or tried to do between 2016 and 2020, the period that might be dubbed by future historians Orwellian or Putinesque, or probably both.

Since you do know how I feel about Donald Trump, what else am I supposed to do? For a sane person, there is no real choice between Kamala and Trump even if the former might be lacking somewhat as a presidential candidate.

The world's non Repub MAGAs already know all about this and don't really need to read or listen to this book to know everything in it.

But it would no doubt come as a total shock for low information suc, er I mean, emotion-driven cult-followers, er I mean "conservatives" to realize what was done to them:

[B]Ministry of Truth.
Democracy, Reality, and the Republicans' War on the Recent Past.[/B]

[URL]https://www.msnbc.com/ministryoftruth[/URL]

[QUOTE][b]Republicans exposed for adopting Trump's gaslighting tactic to avoid harsh political realities.[/b]

Rachel Maddow talks with Steve Benen, MaddowBlog editor and author of "Ministry of Truth: Democracy, Reality, and the Republicans' War on the Recent Past," about how Republicans have grown increasingly comfortable simply denying inconvenient facts or constructing false histories to avoid having to deal with being associated with unpopular policies and events.[/QUOTE][B]Ministry of Truth: Democracy, Reality, and the Republicans War on the Recent Past.[/B]

[URL]http://www.publishersweekly.com/9780063393677[/URL]

[QUOTE]The Republican Party is waging a frantic gaslighting campaign to rewrite the stories that have unfolded over the last several years, according to this illuminating account from Benen (The Impostors) a producer of The Rachel Maddow Show.
Pointing to polls showing that a majority of Republican voters believe that Trump made no effort to overturn the 2020 election, among other misbeliefs that absolve Donald Trump from wrongdoing and exaggerate his successes as president, Benen delves into how the Republican playbook of historical revisionism has evolved in recent years to make such lies possible to perpetuate.

While much of it comes down to Trumps habitual lying and self-aggrandizing being repeated as fact on right-leaning outlets like Fox News, Benen also spotlights Republican politicians who have entered Trumps alternate reality and begun generating their own pro-Trump spin, like Wisconsin Sen. Ron Johnson, who claimed the Jan. 6 insurrectionists were fake Trump protesters, and New York congresswoman Elise Stefanik, who asserted that the FBIs search for classified documents at Mar-a-Lago was part of a hoax. While Benen, true to form, spends slightly too much time on Russia-related events, his account is well sourced and covers a lot of ground.

This cogent survey of the Trumpist lie factory is worth checking out for more than just fans of Maddow. (Aug.)[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2937267][b]Trump's slurring, lies and incoherence will only get worse after this [/b]

Cook Political Report is one of the more highly respected polling services:

[URL]https://www.realclearpolling.com/latest-polls/election[/URL]

[B]Swing State Project: August 14, 2024 Toplines
August 14, 2024[/B]

[URL]https://www.cookpolitical.com/survey-research/2024-swing-state-project/14Aug2024-toplines[/URL]

Trump leads Harris only in Nevada in these polls, +3 in the Head-to-Head, +5 in the 5-Way. This was before the audio interview of him and Musk laughing about how much fun it is to fire the American Working Men and Women for daring to expect to be fairly paid and treated, especially union workers.

Trump should have canceled that Republican National Convention, promised to name a VP candidate "in two weeks" and [b]remained silent and hidden[/b] in that last basement Men's Room stall he usually hides in when frightened.[/QUOTE]

Yep, [i][b]"remaining silent and hidden"[/b][/i], would have definitely been more preferable for Repub chances at winning. But luckily for Dems, being loud, obnoxious and an insufferable slurring drama queen, is Trump's strong suits. And coincidentally, it would seem, tied to his polling, over the past several weeks.

The more the Repub drama queen, lies about things like "crowd sizes" and drones on about death by electric boats vs. sharks, the more his polls tank and the more Repubs and Independents, cross over to the Harris/Walz ticket. Quite frankly, I'm in favor of keeping him talking! (...kkkk!)

[i][b]NYT - The worst Three Weeks of Donald Trump's 2024 campaign, yet!...[/b]one unforced error after another

"People around the former and would-be president [b]see a candidate knocked off his bearings, disoriented by his new contest with Kamala Harris[/b] and [u]unsure of how to take her on[/u]...Nearly three weeks since she became his Democratic opponent, Mr. Trump and his campaign are still struggling to settle on how to define Ms. Harris, what message with which to attack her, and even what nickname with which to belittle her...

Outside advisers and allies have also called Mr. Trump to impress on him the political peril of continuing with those kinds of attacks...stick to policy contrasts, rather than personal attacks, and to treat Ms. Harris as a formidable adversary, as he had Mrs. Clinton.

That advice has gone unheeded."

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/10/us/politics/trump-campaign-election.html[/URL][/i]

Repubs are just adorably gullible, when it comes to Trump, as they continue to hold out hope, that somehow, he'll finally become the conservative "presidential" candidate, they so desperately desire.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2937341]And Robert Rubin took it under Clinton. Big deal. That is my point. The only people wanting to go into government today are the ones who do get the big payouts.

Well, here is another one who loved being in politics. Dolton Mayor Tiffany Aiesha Henyard, who has been dubbed "America's Worst Mayor", has disappeared after an investigation into the village's spending revealed more than $3. 5 million in debt, "out of control" credit card spending and $40,000 spend on Amazon purchases in one day.

[URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/dolton-mayor-tiffany-henyard-disappears-after-investigation-reveals-35-million-hidden-debt[/URL]

And then there is disgraced mayor Lori Lightfoot making $400 an hour investigating the worst mayor. Yeah, well, she knows a thing or two about corruption after being Chicago's mayor..[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.foxnews.com/us/illinois-school-worker-sentenced-9-years-prison-stealing-1-5-million-worth-chicken-wings[/URL]

[URL]https://amp-marca-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/amp.marca.com/en/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/2024/08/14/66bc078de2704e49888b4597.html?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQGsAEggAID[/URL]#amp_tf=From%20%251%24's&aoh=17236564440974&csi=0&referrer=https%3 A%2 F%2 F [URL]www.google.com[/URL]&ampshare=https%3 A%2 F%2 F[URL]www.marca.com[/URL]%2 Fen%2 Fnfl%2 Fkansas-city-chiefs%2 F2024%2 F08%2 F14%2 F66 bc078 de2704 e49888 b4597. Html.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2937384]It is always great for a laugh to hear anyone express concern about a Dem Administration with ANY particular Party conttol in the House and Senate doing serious damage to the American economy after EVERY Repub Administration of the past 100 years has produced and presided over the worst economic downsturns and series of downturns regardless which Party controls the House and Senate but certainly the worst of the worst when Repubs also control the House and the Senate. LOL.

Meanwhile, nothing, zero, nada of the kind has ever happened when Dem Administrations also have Dem control of the House and the Senate. In fact, nothing but damn great results have occurred under that perfectly benign condition while nothing but horrific results have occurred when Repubs are in total control of all three.

The great danger in blithely rooting for a Repub Majority in the House and / or Senate is then all it takes is one more blithering numbskull Electoral College quirk in one individual blithering numbskull Repub's favor to complete the Triumverate of Terror and Total Economic Disaster of a Repub in the White House with a Repub Majority House and Senate.

That is too great a risk for any patriotic American to take when the Dem alternative has shown throughout history to produce zero downside risk of even a notable mild and momentary economic downturn.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2937387]Your "she may have started the war in Ukraine" lunacy notwithstanding, why on earth would you drop my name in your diatribe? I'm not in awe with Kamala Harris. I said in this very forum that I would've been happier with another candidate who's more their own person and not mostly known as a sidekick.

That said, Kamala Harris is the only person currently standing between Donald Trump and America.

You know my take on Donald Trump. He is a calamity. I think if elected again, Donald Trump will attempt to end our democracy and way of life. This is my EDUCATED guess based on what he already did or tried to do between 2016 and 2020, the period that might be dubbed by future historians Orwellian or Putinesque, or probably both.

Since you do know how I feel about Donald Trump, what else am I supposed to do? For a sane person, there is no real choice between Kamala and Trump even if the former might be lacking somewhat as a presidential candidate.[/QUOTE]

I expected as much. As all the fake bluster, bunk and bullshit w/r to the Harris/Walz ticket, is just Repubs, trying to find and suss out, what will stick to the wall.

Personally, I love how the Harris/Walz ticket is handling, the often juvenile and nonsensical comments coming from the dysfunctional Repub campaign, who have yet to announce what plans, polices or political stances there running on. Which we all know they don't have any policies or plans, just more cheap rhetoric.

The Harris/Walz ticket, has them disoriented and still reeling from the campaign jabs of being called [b]"weird"[/b] (which BTW, was so apropos!). The other campaign's jabs haven't landed a single blow yet and for the last 3-weeks have only gotten tired, stale and [b]"punch drunk".[/b]

[QUOTE=CheckMate1;2937276]In 1991, Lichtman and coauthor Ken DeCell published The 13 Keys to the White House (Madison Books, 1991), a book laying out the 13-key forecasting system initially developed in 1981 by Lichtman and renowned mathematician Vladimir Keilis-Borok. They developed the keys based on their analysis of trends in presidential campaigns since 1860.

The 13 keys are simple to use: if 8 or more of the 13 keys are true for the incumbent party, its candidate will win the electionbut if fewer than 8 are true, the challenger will win.

1. Party mandate: After the midterm elections, the incumbent party holds more seats in the US House of Representatives than after the previous midterm elections. FALSE.

2. Contest: There is no serious contest for the incumbent party nomination. TRUE.

3. Incumbency: The incumbent party candidate is the sitting president. FALSE.

4. Third party: There is no significant third party or independent campaign. TRUE.

5. Short term economy: The economy is not in recession during the election campaign. TRUE.

6. Long term economy: Real per capita economic growth during the term equals or exceeds mean growth during the previous two terms. TRUE.

7. Policy change: The incumbent administration effects major changes in national policy. TRUE.[/QUOTE]Unless I am mistaken, I think Lichtman usually frames it as, "If 6 or more of the Keys are False, the WH Party is predicted to lose. ".

Looking at it that way, I would say:

1. False.

2.

3. False.

4.

5.

6.

7.

8.

9.

10. False. It is undeserved, but MSM went berserk blaming Biden and has never let up over 1 Taliban nut with a suicide bomb vest in Afghanistan getting past Taliban "security" and killing 13 USA Military in what is still the least deadly withdrawal from an occupied country by the losing side in war history.

11. False, but there is a better than even chance Ukraine's latest moves will look more and more to the world like Russia is definitely losing. Even though neither that one nor Gaza / Israel is a USA war, such an outcome would add a point score to Biden. Personally, I would credit Biden for a major military success for keeping us out of any war anywhere for the past 3 1/2 years, for the first time in decades. And, of course, for leading the country to a win in Trump's War Against America and American Democracy in January 2021.

12. False. Harris is very popular within her Party. But she shows no sign (yet) of being a historically charismatic cross-over candidate as in FDR or Reagan.

13. (P. S. - See 12 above on steroids for Trump. Nobody outside of his MAGAs can stand him. He lost the Popular Vote twice already by a combined 10 million votes. He is really no FDR or Reagan).

So with 6 or more False Keys being the danger zone for Harris, my count is 5 for now with a good chance that 1 of those 5 could flip True in the next month or two and near zero chance any of the others will go False before November.

Had Mainstream Media not terrorized Dem campaign donors and down ballot Dem candidates over a few verbal gaffes, Biden would have retained the Incumbancy Key, still had all the others Harris has and would have been a 100% lock to win re-election, not even close.

But Harris will still do well.

LOL. In light of her critically important overwhelming popularity within the Dem Party, it is now even more hilarious that pro Repub pretend "bothsider" pundits like Bill Maher were begging Biden to drop out and take Harris with him since there is no way she would be a viable potus candidate, her being his VP pick from the beginning being another terrible decision by that "cognitively impaired" old man. LOL.

BTW, I believe Lichtman's current count is more favorable for Harris than mine right now but says he will give his final count right after the Dem National Convention.

When the Emerson Poll has Harris and the Dems beating Trump and the Repubs, it is time for Trump's constant, career-defining public lying about everything all the time to become Super charged!

LOL. His rally lies about how his economy was "the strongest in the history of the world" when in fact it was weaker than Biden's or Obama's and a few other potuses of the past few decades on every important metric even if you subtract his Historic Trump's Pandemic Disaster numbers (although there is no logical reason to do so) and that he "handed Biden a miracle economy and then he ruined it" when in fact he handed Biden-Harris among the top three worst economic conditions of the past Century (along with Hoover's and GW Bush's handoffs, one of which Biden was also key to producing one of the greatest recoveries of all time) and then Biden-Harris produced the greatest recovery from Trump's Pandemic's economic disaster and inflation on the planet, he might as well keep lying about how his poll numbers are ahead of Harris' "by a LOT", too!

His numbskull cult-followers won't know the difference. And even if they do, nothing delights a Repub MAGA more than their boys and girls lying their asses off in service to weasling into office so they can again and again and again produce the worst economic and national security results in history.

[URL]https://www.realclearpolling.com/latest-polls/election[/URL]

Of course, this is only happening because the polls are showing Trump might win. Oh. Not at all?

Nevermind.

[B]Consumer spending jumped in July as retail sales were up 1%, much better than expected.[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/15/retail-sales-july-2024-.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]

[QUOTE]Advanced retail sales accelerated 1% on the month, much better than the 0.3% estimate.

In other economic news, weekly jobless claims totaled 227,000, a decrease of 7,000 from the previous week and lower than the estimate for 235,000.

The reports come the same week as data showing that inflation eased slightly in July.[/QUOTE][B]A key metric shows prices normalizing: 'Mission accomplished,' economist says.[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/14/prices-are-returning-to-normal-mission-accomplished-says-expert.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]

[B]Biden administration releases prices of 10 drugs in Medicare talks[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/15/medicare-releases-prices-for-first-10-drugs-subject-to-negotiations.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]

[QUOTE]The Biden administration released prices for the first 10 prescription drugs that were subject to landmark negotiations with Medicare.

The government estimates that the new prices could produce $6 billion in net savings for Medicare in 2026 alone, based on data from 2023.

It is a milestone in a controversial process that aims to make costly medications more affordable for older Americans, a policy the pharmaceutical industry has opposed.

It comes one day before the second anniversary of President Joe Bidens signature Inflation Reduction Act.[/QUOTE][B]Harris to propose federal ban on 'corporate price-gouging' in food and groceries[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/15/harris-corporate-price-gouging-ban-food-election.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]

[QUOTE]Vice President Kamala Harris will propose the first-ever federal ban on corporate price-gouging in the food industry, her campaign announced.

Harris will also pledge that if elected, she will direct the Justice Department to increase scrutiny of potential mergers between grocers and food producers.

The ban is part of a broader effort by the Democratic presidential nominee to respond to voters ongoing frustration with the high cost of meat and groceries.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2937377]Good post Elvis. She's wisely saying as little of substance as possible, even with the teleprompter. She's running a "Chance the Gardener" campaign, if you remember the movie "Being There." Indeed some of our fellow board members, the Kamala supporters, seem to suffer from Stockholm Syndrome. As an advocate of criminal justice reform, free markets, and a viable domestic oil and gas industry, I believe she sucks.[/QUOTE]It is funny that I thought of Chance the Gardner and Being There as well. Anyway, she finally showed her economic colors for the first time today: [URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/vp-harris-first-economic-plan-proposes-federal-price-controls-combat-inflation[/URL].

Yes, let us beat up the food companies and impose price controls. Biden never understood how markets work and neither does Kamala. Remember what I said about Reagan v. Carter. Yeah, with Reagan, he got rid of price controls on gasoline. Carter had pretty up billions of ration coupons for gasoline. It was unreal.

When you look at the Biden list of accomplishments Tooms listed, it seemed like half or more was just spending government money. Going into debt or taking people's money is only an accomplishment if what you invest in has a multiplier effect like the highway system or space program. When you cancel student debt, you are just buying votes. That is not an accomplishment.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2937387]I'm not in awe with Kamala Harris.[/QUOTE]But she started the war you love so much, and she stood up to Putin. She is going to be very neocon like. I cannot imagine why you would not like her.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2937387]That said, Kamala Harris is the only person currently standing between Donald Trump and America.[/QUOTE]And ending the war in Ukraine which would have never started had Trump been president.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2937387]Since you do know how I feel about Donald Trump, what else am I supposed to do? For a sane person, there is no real choice between Kamala and Trump even if the former might be lacking somewhat as a presidential candidate.[/QUOTE]I guess I am confused. Who is running things now and are you happy with the way things are being run? It is obviously not Kamala and not Biden. So Kamala is lacking but Biden is and was not?

You should vote Kamala Xpartan. Trust me, she will have an administration every bit as pro war as Biden is.

I have three that I think with current state of population, technology advancement, and blindspot that currently not addressed in the constitution.

Proposal A: Change the electoral college to popular vote system, 50%+1.

Reasonings: The electoral college was set up so that large cities with information flowing slowly to the rural areas would not dominate rural citizens every election. Ideally not having only a few states to determine the outcome. In the 20th century, it was argued that the middle of the country would be disadvantage because election campaigns would only need to campaign in the outer perimeters of the country. Problem with this argument is that now we ACTUALLY have a few states deciding the outcome and with less representation of the populace. I believe we are in a good enough technological advancement that there are no real advantages of high population centers determining outcomes as it once did. News / Information is available within seconds as opposed to the past of newspapers lagging at least a day.

Proposal be: NO family members can serve in presidential admininstration, 1st cousins included.

Proposal see: No Elected members of congress / senate; President / Vice President; Supreme Court Justices can receive gifts from ANY person or business. All side hussle earnings will be donated to the treasury with neutral tax ramafication. One exception to this rule is proceeds from book sales will go to the author. All salary of elected officials are tax exempted. All incomes derived from investments shall be managed in a blind trust and tax exempt until leave of office.

Why are you running for a position in the Federal Government if you're not there to protect and improve the lives of its citizens? I think with these changes, you'll have more honorable people in government.

[QUOTE=Elvis 2008;2937221]I have never met anyone in my life who went into government by choice. People who go into it do so for security not excellence, and most cannot wait to get their pensions and get the hell out.[/QUOTE]

Okay, So get a gov't job, just for the "security" but "not excellence" required, and then "get hell out"...okay I think I've got it!

But Elvis 2008, how do you square, if "excellence" isn't required for a gov't job, then why would, Repub George H.W. Bush, pass a tax exemption rule, to "attract talent", if none is required? Is this just another, boneheaded Repub tax dodge?

Doesn't this (George H.W. Bush tax exemption) seem to fly in the face of your back of the envelope theory, on "not excellence" in gov't jobs? How do you explain this?

[QUOTE=Elvis 2008;2937341] The only people wanting to go into government today are the ones who do get the big payouts.[/QUOTE]

(...kkkk!) What, the what now? So now you're taking in circles?

First it is for "security" but "not excellence" and now it's "the big payouts" and "bonuses" also? What's next?

BTW, I am pretty sure, SubCmdr's post, already covers this exact topic, when he refers to bonuses, [b]cross-pollenation of employees[/b] and [b]the symbiotic revolving door[/b] between gov't and business connections and relations.

So what you're really saying is, you now agree with the education SubCmdr provided you in his post? If so, congratulations for coming full circle!

[b]SubCmdr's post:[/b] "My education for you Elvis is gratis" --[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2467-American-Politics&p=2937221&viewfull=1#post2937221[/url]

BTW, Elvis 2008, how you do explain, "billionaire" Trump taking the gov't job of president in 2016? Where was the "big payout"? Since we all know he's trying to take the job in 2024, simply to stay outta jail?

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2937384]It is always great for a laugh to hear anyone express concern about a Dem Administration with ANY particular Party conttol in the House and Senate doing serious damage to the American economy after EVERY Repub Administration of the past 100 years has produced and presided over the worst economic downsturns and series of downturns regardless which Party controls the House and Senate but certainly the worst of the worst when Repubs also control the House and the Senate. LOL.

Meanwhile, nothing, zero, nada of the kind has ever happened when Dem Administrations also have Dem control of the House and the Senate. In fact, nothing but damn great results have occurred under that perfectly benign condition while nothing but horrific results have occurred when Repubs are in total control of all three.

The great danger in blithely rooting for a Repub Majority in the House and / or Senate is then all it takes is one more blithering numbskull Electoral College quirk in one individual blithering numbskull Repub's favor to complete the Triumverate of Terror and Total Economic Disaster of a Repub in the White House with a Repub Majority House and Senate.

That is too great a risk for any patriotic American to take when the Dem alternative has shown throughout history to produce zero downside risk of even a notable mild and momentary economic downturn.[/QUOTE]If I recall correctly, you're a tea totaler. That is, you don't drink alcohol. As such you don't really have the life experience to understand this analogy. But here goes anyway.

Say you tie one on. You're the life of the party. You bang the woman of your dreams, not realizing in your alcohol dazed stupor that she's an ugly ****. You have a great time.

The next morning, you wake up puking your guts out on your bedroom floor, with a splitting headache and a couple of venereal diseases. Your friends all hate you. Worst of all, you have low self esteem, because you banged a fat, ugly ****.

This is what would happen if you put the current Democratic Party bunch in the White House, House and Senate at the same time. Now this doesn't entirely apply to the good old time Democrats. But the Dems today are nothing like the Dems who ruled America during the first two years of the Clinton and Obama administrations. Or, when you consider the influence of Kyrsten Sinema and Joe Manchin, even during the first two years of the Biden administration. The current crop is stark raving mad. You leave them in power long enough and they might just do the same thing to the USA that Chavez and Maduro did to Venezuela or the Kirchner's to Argentina. Initially, for the first eight or ten years, the good times will roll, as they pump massive amounts of government money into the economy. Many of us, especially the ones sucking off the government tit, will live high on the hog. But then the inevitable hangover comes, and there will be hell to pay.

The same effect existed to an extent during past periods when Democrats controlled all the levers of power. They fuck things up a bit and then leave it to the Republicans and to shared power government (for example Clinton and Gingrich) to kind of clean up the mess. If they'd controlled all the levers of power for many years we likely would have ended up no worse than France. Unfortunately now the Progressives control the party. And they have the ideas to run the country down the tubes if in a position to do so.

Read my next post, where Noah Smith says Kamala's latest bright idea is what drove inflation in Venezuela, before you call me Chicken Little.

This is from Noah Smith's substack today. Smith is about as far left as you can get for a mainstream economist. Think Paul Krugman. And here's an excerpt from what he has to say about Kamala's latest idea. It's only about the first 20% of a long piece. [B] Please note the analogies to Venezuela and the Soviet Union in bold text below. [/B]

I've been doing a series of posts on the substantive ideas of the two presidential campaigns. I talked about Biden's policies back in May when he was still running, and when he dropped out I wrote a post about his legacy. On the Trump / GOP side, I wrote about Trump's terrible idea for revoking the Fed's independence, analyzed the RNC platform piece by piece, discussed the possible upside of tariffs on China, and argued that mass deportation of illegal immigrants would do no good for the economy, while spreading fear and division. Now it's time for some posts about Harris' ideas.

Today I want to talk about Harris' first big policy announcement a call for price controls on food and groceries. Here's the story, from the Washington Post's Jeff Stein:

Vice President Kamala Harris on Friday will unveil a proposed ban on "price gouging" in the grocery and food industries, embracing a strikingly populist proposal in her most significant economic policy announcement since becoming the Democratic Party's nominee.

In a statement released late Wednesday night, the Harris campaign said that if elected, she would push for the "first-ever federal ban" on food price hikes, with sweeping new powers for federal authorities.

Harris's plan will include "the first-ever federal ban on price gouging on food and groceries setting clear rules of the road to make clear that big corporations can't unfairly exploit consumers to run up excessive corporate profits on food and groceries," the campaign said in a statement.

The exact details of the campaign's plan were not immediately clear, but Harris said she would aim to enact the ban within her first 100 days, in part by directing the Federal Trade Commission to impose "harsh penalties" on firms that break new limits on "price gouging. " The statement did not define price gouging or "excessive" profits.

Price controls on food are a really terrible idea. The best-case scenario is that the controls are ineffectual but create the legal and administrative machinery for far more harmful controls in the future. The worst-case scenario is that they cause shortages of food and groceries, leading to mass hardship, exacerbating inflation, and setting America up for increased political instability.

If you want to defend Harris here, you pretty much have to assume that this is a populist proposal that she'll eventually backtrack on once in office, or fail to get passed. After all, in the final days of his campaign, Biden floated a (very bad) proposal for national rent control an idea he had never embraced in his presidency, and which was probably just a Hail Mary pass. But Harris explicitly said that price controls on groceries are something she'the do in her first 100 days as President, and candidates tend to be serious when they say that.

It's also a very bad sign that Harris intends to use executive power to implement price controls. She appears to believe that the Federal Trade Commission can impose penalties on companies that "price gouge" I. E. , that raise their prices more than the administration believes is warranted. I am not a lawyer, but the idea that the FTC can go in and simply tell a Kroger's in Michigan what price to charge for eggs seems like a vast expansion of the agency's powers.

The FTC has the power to stop price fixing, but that's something very different price fixing means when multiple companies illegally collaborate to keep their prices high instead of competing. It's dealt with under existing antitrust law, and the FTC has to sue companies in court to get them to stop it. I see no reason to believe that existing law allows the FTC to act like a central planning authority that can simply dictate what every grocery store in the land can charge for eggs, milk, diapers, and toilet paper.

So my guess is that the kind of price control regime Harris has in mind would require an act of Congress. I don't know if she could get it passed, or if SCOTUS would strike it down, but [B] if it succeeded, it would create the legal machinery for the kind of disastrous spiral of price controls, hoarding crackdowns, and shortages that brought down the economy of Venezuela.[/B].

....[b]Price controls can wreck an economy[/b]

Lets talk about the dangers of price controls, because theyre big.

First, think about what would happen if the President of the U.S. managed to impose price controls on grocery stores. As we saw in the last section, these stores have razor-thin profit margins when they increase prices, its because theyre paying higher costs. If the stores are forbidden from raising prices when costs go up, the government will be forcing them to take a loss.

What will the stores do if the government forces them to take a loss? They will sell less stuff, because theyre taking a loss with every sale they make. Shelves will go empty, just like they did in the Soviet Union, and just like they did in Venezuela.

When people hear the words Soviet Union and Venezuela in connection with the U.S. economy, they often roll their eyes. Those regimes were dysfunctional in a very large number of ways price controls were only a piece of the story in each case. But that doesnt mean basic economic operates differently in the USSR or Venezuela than it does in America. The economic logic of price controls in a competitive industry like groceries is basic Econ 101 supply-and-demand stuff. The good old Econ 101 supply-and-demand model doesnt work in all cases, but its very good at explaining exactly why price controls cause shortages in highly competitive industries: (There's a supply/demand graph here)

[b]Yes, we've all grown tired of libertarians and free-market types shouting "It's just Econ 101, bro. Do you want to be the Soviet Union?" every time anyone proposes a government intervention in the economy. But in this particular case, they happen to be correct![/b] (Tiny's note: The Libertarians and Free-Market types are right far more often than Smith cares to admit. But Kamala's nutty proposal is a bridge too far for even him.)

https://www.noahpinion.blog/

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2937472][B]Harris to propose federal ban on 'corporate price-gouging' in food and groceries[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/15/harris-corporate-price-gouging-ban-food-election.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL][/QUOTE]

I do not share your enthusiasm for this proposal.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2937576]This is from Noah Smith's substack today. Smith is about as far left as you can get for a mainstream economist. Think Paul Krugman. And here's an excerpt from what he has to say about Kamala's latest idea. It's only about the first 20% of a long piece. [B] Please note the analogies to Venezuela and the Soviet Union in bold text below. [/B]

I've been doing a series of posts on the substantive ideas of the two presidential campaigns. I talked about Biden's policies back in May when he was still running, and when he dropped out I wrote a post about his legacy. On the Trump / GOP side, I wrote about Trump's terrible idea for revoking the Fed's independence, analyzed the RNC platform piece by piece, discussed the possible upside of tariffs on China, and argued that mass deportation of illegal immigrants would do no good for the economy, while spreading fear and division. Now it's time for some posts about Harris' ideas.

Today I want to talk about Harris' first big policy announcement a call for price controls on food and groceries. Here's the story, from the Washington Post's Jeff Stein:

Vice President Kamala Harris on Friday will unveil a proposed ban on "price gouging" in the grocery and food industries, embracing a strikingly populist proposal in her most significant economic policy announcement since becoming the Democratic Party's nominee.

In a statement released late Wednesday night, the Harris campaign said that if elected, she would push for the "first-ever federal ban" on food price hikes, with sweeping new powers for federal authorities.

Harris's plan will include "the first-ever federal ban on price gouging on food and groceries setting clear rules of the road to make clear that big corporations can't unfairly exploit consumers to run up excessive corporate profits on food and groceries," the campaign said in a statement.

The exact details of the campaign's plan were not immediately clear, but Harris said she would aim to enact the ban within her first 100 days, in part by directing the Federal Trade Commission to impose "harsh penalties" on firms that break new limits on "price gouging. " The statement did not define price gouging or "excessive" profits.

Price controls on food are a really terrible idea. The best-case scenario is that the controls are ineffectual but create the legal and administrative machinery for far more harmful controls in the future. The worst-case scenario is that they cause shortages of food and groceries, leading to mass hardship, exacerbating inflation, and setting America up for increased political instability.

If you want to defend Harris here, you pretty much have to assume that this is a populist proposal that she'll eventually backtrack on once in office, or fail to get passed. After all, in the final days of his campaign, Biden floated a (very bad) proposal for national rent control an idea he had never embraced in his presidency, and which was probably just a Hail Mary pass. But Harris explicitly said that price controls on groceries are something she'the do in her first 100 days as President, and candidates tend to be serious when they say that.

It's also a very bad sign that Harris intends to use executive power to implement price controls. She appears to believe that the Federal Trade Commission can impose penalties on companies that "price gouge" I. E. , that raise their prices more than the administration believes is warranted. I am not a lawyer, but the idea that the FTC can go in and simply tell a Kroger's in Michigan what price to charge for eggs seems like a vast expansion of the agency's powers.

The FTC has the power to stop price fixing, but that's something very different price fixing means when multiple companies illegally collaborate to keep their prices high instead of competing. It's dealt with under existing antitrust law, and the FTC has to sue companies in court to get them to stop it. I see no reason to believe that existing law allows the FTC to act like a central planning authority that can simply dictate what every grocery store in the land can charge for eggs, milk, diapers, and toilet paper.

So my guess is that the kind of price control regime Harris has in mind would require an act of Congress. I don't know if she could get it passed, or if SCOTUS would strike it down, but [B] if it succeeded, it would create the legal machinery for the kind of disastrous spiral of price controls, hoarding crackdowns, and shortages that brought down the economy of Venezuela.[/B].

....[b]Price controls can wreck an economy[/b]

Lets talk about the dangers of price controls, because theyre big.

First, think about what would happen if the President of the U.S. managed to impose price controls on grocery stores. As we saw in the last section, these stores have razor-thin profit margins when they increase prices, its because theyre paying higher costs. If the stores are forbidden from raising prices when costs go up, the government will be forcing them to take a loss.

What will the stores do if the government forces them to take a loss? They will sell less stuff, because theyre taking a loss with every sale they make. Shelves will go empty, just like they did in the Soviet Union, and just like they did in Venezuela.

When people hear the words Soviet Union and Venezuela in connection with the U.S. economy, they often roll their eyes. Those regimes were dysfunctional in a very large number of ways price controls were only a piece of the story in each case. But that doesnt mean basic economic operates differently in the USSR or Venezuela than it does in America. The economic logic of price controls in a competitive industry like groceries is basic Econ 101 supply-and-demand stuff. The good old Econ 101 supply-and-demand model doesnt work in all cases, but its very good at explaining exactly why price controls cause shortages in highly competitive industries: (There's a supply/demand graph here)

[b]Yes, we've all grown tired of libertarians and free-market types shouting "It's just Econ 101, bro. Do you want to be the Soviet Union?" every time anyone proposes a government intervention in the economy. But in this particular case, they happen to be correct![/b] (Tiny's note: The Libertarians and Free-Market types are right far more often than Smith cares to admit. But Kamala's nutty proposal is a bridge too far for even him.)

https://www.noahpinion.blog/[/QUOTE]As a pro Repub, pro Trump, pretend "bothsider / neithersider", what has your preferred 2025 potus, Donald Trump, proposed as his plan for what his MAGAs are screaming for; lower costs for rent, food and gas?

We know the usual Repub plan to accomplish those results; drive the USA Economy into a Great Depression / Great Recession and Wipe Out a few million jobs. Same solution for Trump this time?

And I have heard him say "drill baby drill" will drive down the cost of rent, etc. How so? And how much more drilling and oil production should Biden have done beyond the record high amounts, achieving true oil-related energy independence for the first time during his presidency, to lower somebody's rent?

And, please, only cite Trump's perfectly sane solutions for lowering the cost of somebody's rent, food and gas.

In addition to Trump's repeated lie that "I did the insulin" that Biden-Harris passed into law, he apparently can not pass a Factcheck on a single assertion.

Check out this astonishing (brief and incomplete) list of total lies Trump told at his most recent public lie fest. As always, these Factcheck corrections are filled with hyper-links to the facts and substantiation that debunk Trump's constant lies about everything all the time:

[B]Fact check: Trump falsely accuses Harris and Biden of lying about $35 insulin.[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/14/politics/fact-check-insulin-trump-biden-harris/index.html[/URL]

[QUOTE][b]Other false claims[/b]

Trump made a variety of other false claims in the Wednesday speech. Here is a brief fact check of 13 of those claims, many of which have been previously debunked. (This is not a complete list.)

- He claimed that the price of bacon went up by four or five times under Biden and Harris. Its actually up 18%, nowhere near the 300% or 400% spike Trump is claiming.

- He claimed that Harris policy proposals will result in peoples taxes quadrupling. Experts say there is no basis for this claim.

- Speaking of Russias invasion of Ukraine, he claimed Biden is letting him have the whole thing. In fact, Biden has led an international effort to help Ukraine fight Russia; Russia has to date been able to seize about 18% of Ukraines territory, nowhere near the entire country.

- He said Covid-19 was ending all over the world, it was pretty much ending when Biden and Harris took office in January 2021. It was not.

- He said his tax cuts were the largest ever. They were not.

- He said he took in hundreds of billions of dollars from China through his tariffs on Chinese products, and that no previous president had taken in 10 cents from tariffs on China. Both claims are wrong. Study after study has found that Americans paid the overwhelming majority of the cost of Trumps tariffs, and the US was generating billions per year in revenue from tariffs on China before Trump took office.

- He said Biden appointed Harris as border czar and put her in charge of the border. In reality, Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas has been in charge of border security under Biden; Biden gave Harris a more limited immigration-related assignment, asking her to lead diplomacy with Central American countries in an attempt to address the root causes of their citizens migration.

- He said he built 571 miles of border wall. Official government statistics show it was 458 miles, most of it replacement barrier.

- He said he built more border wall than I said I was going to build. In fact, he repeatedly said during his 2016 campaign that we need 1,000 miles of wall, far more than he ended up building.

- He said he forced Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz, the Democratic vice presidential candidate, to deploy the National Guard during civil unrest in Minneapolis in 2020. In fact, Walz deployed the National Guard before Trump pressured him to do so.

- He said Venezuela is taking all of their criminals and people from mental institutions and bringing them to the US. Experts say there is no evidence for this claim.

- He said Houston has the only refinery in the world that can handle Venezuelan oil. Venezuelan oil.[/QUOTE]Seriously. How much hatred does someone need to harbor for America to vote (or not vote) in any way that might, however remote the risk, result in a Trump election victory or the election victory of anyone else in his Loony, America-hating Repub MAGA Party?

[QUOTE=CheckMate1;2937517]I have three that I think with current state of population, technology advancement, and blindspot that currently not addressed in the constitution.

Proposal A: Change the electoral college to popular vote system, 50%+1.

Reasonings: The electoral college was set up so that large cities with information flowing slowly to the rural areas would not dominate rural citizens every election. Ideally not having only a few states to determine the outcome. In the 20th century, it was argued that the middle of the country would be disadvantage because election campaigns would only need to campaign in the outer perimeters of the country. Problem with this argument is that now we ACTUALLY have a few states deciding the outcome and with less representation of the populace. I believe we are in a good enough technological advancement that there are no real advantages of high population centers determining outcomes as it once did. News / Information is available within seconds as opposed to the past of newspapers lagging at least a day.

Proposal be: NO family members can serve in presidential admininstration, 1st cousins included.

Proposal see: No Elected members of congress / senate; President / Vice President; Supreme Court Justices can receive gifts from ANY person or business. All side hussle earnings will be donated to the treasury with neutral tax ramafication. One exception to this rule is proceeds from book sales will go to the author. All salary of elected officials are tax exempted. All incomes derived from investments shall be managed in a blind trust and tax exempt until leave of office.

Why are you running for a position in the Federal Government if you're not there to protect and improve the lives of its citizens? I think with these changes, you'll have more honorable people in government.[/QUOTE]I would go with:

- Abolish the Electoral College, whoever gets the most votes wins (some may not reach 50% + 1).

- No Gerrymanding of House districts by partisan Party officials.

- Number of Senate Seats determined by state population of human beings, not the number of rattlesnakes, tumble weeds and outhouses.

- No term limits on any elected office.

- Term limits on appointed positions; the Supreme Court Justices.

- Major reform and restrictions on Big Money, Corporate campaign donations.

But we know most of these things will never happen in our lifetimes or the lifetimes of people born yesterday:

[B]Constitutional Amendment Process.[/B]

[URL]https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/constitution[/URL]

[QUOTE]The Constitution provides that an amendment may be proposed either by the Congress with a two-thirds majority vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate or by a constitutional convention called for by two-thirds of the State legislatures.[/QUOTE]We would need a Dem in the WH and Dems to control at least two thirds of the House and Senate. Mainstream Media will never allow that to happen again after all the Great Things were accomplished for America when we had a Dem in the WH and Dem ratios like that in Congress before or very close to it.

And none of those red states with more rattlesnakes, tumble weeds and outhouses than human beings is going to agree to that critically important popular vote, Senate Seat and gerrymandering stuff.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2937603]As a pro Repub, pro Trump, pretend "bothsider / neithersider", what has your preferred 2025 potus, Donald Trump, proposed as his plan for what his MAGAs are screaming for; lower costs for rent, food and gas?

We know the usual Repub plan to accomplish those results; drive the USA Economy into a Great Depression / Great Recession and Wipe Out a few million jobs. Same solution for Trump this time?

And I have heard him say "drill baby drill" will drive down the cost of rent, etc. How so? And how much more drilling and oil production should Biden have done beyond the record high amounts, achieving true oil-related energy independence for the first time during his presidency, to lower somebody's rent?

And, please, only cite Trump's perfectly sane solutions for lowering the cost of somebody's rent, food and gas.[/QUOTE]Yes, that's what I am! A Pretend Bothsider! A Pretend Neither Sider! MAGA to the core! What a relief to finally know! This must be what a pretend gay transvestite brought up by a same sex couple in San Francisco feels like when he finally realizes he's straight. And can finally go bang some women instead of dressing up in women's clothes and acting all effeminate! I can’t wait for my first Trump Rally! Maybe there will be another riot in the Capitol and I can go! Thank you Tooms for making me self aware!

Trump's proposed additional tariffs will be bad for inflation, and bad but less so for employment and GDP growth. Having borrowed lots of money in his career, and having repaid only some of it, he has no fear of running up the national debt. Or of politicizing the Fed and manipulating interest rates. I think that's a negative but who knows. Maybe he'll figure out a way to default on the national debt and we'll be debt free!

But yes, Kamala is worse. She doesn't know jack about the world outside of government. If she's able to do so, she'll jack up taxes and jack up government spending. And impose price controls! If she's like Biden, she'll be inclined to run the national debt up even more than Trump would, and will continue the Trump / Biden tariff regime. She'll try to regulate business into the ground. She's probably more likely to get us into a war. The woman's an existential threat to domestic oil and gas. She wanted to ban fracking! The price controls is the icing on the cake. And the ***** took away my backpage and wants to put me in jail for banging hookers. Contrast that with Trump who got those hookers to piss on Obama's bed in Moscow. Donald Trump is the Monger's Best Friend!

My vote will go to Chase Oliver.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2937632]Yes, that's what I am! A Pretend Bothsider! A Pretend Neither Sider! MAGA to the core! What a relief to finally know! This must be what a pretend gay transvestite brought up by a same sex couple in San Francisco feels like when he finally realizes he's straight. And can finally go bang some women instead of dressing up in women's clothes and acting all effeminate! I cant wait for my first Trump Rally! Maybe there will be another riot in the Capitol and I can go! Thank you Tooms for making me self aware!

Trump's proposed additional tariffs will be bad for inflation, and bad but less so for employment and GDP growth. Having borrowed lots of money in his career, and having repaid only some of it, he has no fear of running up the national debt. Or of politicizing the Fed and manipulating interest rates. I think that's a negative but who knows. Maybe he'll figure out a way to default on the national debt and we'll be debt free!

But yes, Kamala is worse. She doesn't know jack about the world outside of government. If she's able to do so, she'll jack up taxes and jack up government spending. And impose price controls! If she's like Biden, she'll be inclined to run the national debt up even more than Trump would, and will continue the Trump / Biden tariff regime. She'll try to regulate business into the ground. She's probably more likely to get us into a war. The woman's an existential threat to domestic oil and gas. She wanted to ban fracking! The price controls is the icing on the cake. And the ***** took away my backpage and wants to put me in jail for banging hookers. Contrast that with Trump who got those hookers to piss on Obama's bed in Moscow. Donald Trump is the Monger's Best Friend!

My vote will go to Chase Oliver.[/QUOTE]You mean you will in at least some small way help Trump win the election by voting for Chase Oliver, right?

Other than to increase name recognotion, network for another job and so on, the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, etc challenger to the Incumbent Party candidate gets in the race for one reason; to take votes away ftom the Incumbent Party candidate and help somebody else (or himself) win.

Even Chase Oliver knows very well a vote for him helps the next most blatantly obvious possible "winner" win.

And it ain't him.

It is Donald Trump.

But you already know that very, very well too.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2937603]As a pro Repub, pro Trump, pretend "bothsider / neithersider", [/QUOTE]
Is that a fancy way of saying, "Republican Libertarian"?

Wait for it...I'm pretty sure the dreaded, [i][b]"You're a partisan Democrat"[/b][/i] is coming! (...kkkk!)

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2937603] ... what has your preferred 2025 potus, Donald Trump, proposed as his plan for what his MAGAs are screaming for; lower costs for rent, food and gas?

We know the usual Repub plan to accomplish those results; drive the USA Economy into a Great Depression / Great Recession and Wipe Out a few million jobs. Same solution for Trump this time? [/QUOTE]

I am also pretty sure, judging from the "negative" MAGA campaign being ran by tweedledum and tweedledee, they are simply wanting until the Dems announce what issues and policies they'll be supporting, soon to follow with the "no nothing" MAGA campaign, suddenly having "policies/issues", which of course, mirrors everything "against" what the Dems stand for or support.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2937603]And I have heard him say "drill baby drill" will drive down the cost of rent, etc. How so? And how much more drilling and oil production should Biden have done beyond the record high amounts, achieving true oil-related energy independence for the first time during his presidency, to lower somebody's rent?

And, please, only cite Trump's perfectly sane solutions for lowering the cost of somebody's rent, food and gas.[/QUOTE] Yeah, good luck with a credible answer from, tweedledum and tweedledee, other than "drill baby drill".

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2937671]You mean you will in at least some small way help Trump win the election by voting for Chase Oliver, right?

Other than to increase name recognotion, network for another job and so on, the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, etc challenger to the Incumbent Party candidate gets in the race for one reason; to take votes away ftom the Incumbent Party candidate and help somebody else (or himself) win.

Even Chase Oliver knows very well a vote for him helps the next most blatantly obvious possible "winner" win.

And it ain't him.

It is Donald Trump.

But you already know that very, very well too.[/QUOTE]It's the other way around. If you put a gun to my head and tell me I have to vote for Trump or Harris, I'll vote for Trump. Six months ago, faced with a similar demand for Trump vs. Biden, I would have said, "Pull the trigger. " But Harris' judgement is worse than Biden's. And furthermore the worst fears of Trump's critics would never be realized. American institutions and old age would prevent him from stealing an election. He's probably less likely to get us into a war than Kamala.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2937398]

[b]A Serious Book Recommendation for Elvis and Tiny[/b]

The world's non Repub MAGAs already know all about this and don't really need to read or listen to this book to know everything in it.

But it would no doubt come as a total shock for low information suc, er I mean, emotion-driven cult-followers, er I mean "conservatives" to realize what was done to them:

[B]Ministry of Truth.
Democracy, Reality, and the Republicans' War on the Recent Past.[/B]

[URL]https://www.msnbc.com/ministryoftruth[/URL]

[B]Ministry of Truth: Democracy, Reality, and the Republicans War on the Recent Past.[/B]

[URL]http://www.publishersweekly.com/9780063393677[/URL][/QUOTE]ROTFLMAO! Hilarious, Rachel Maddow's editor wrote a book called Ministry of Truth. With reference to his and Rachel's body of work, he should have called it "Ministry of Propaganda."

Anybody with half a brain knows that if Trump's mouth is open, he's often lying. Elvis, who has a big brain, knows this, although he sees enough good in Trump, and bad in Harris, to support him.

Rachel Maddow is just as big a liar as Trump. Her delivery however is much smoother. I may have seen more of her on MSNBC than you have. She can weave a convincing story, complete with her glib, smiling delivery. Undoubtedly if you favor Democratic Politicians, you have a warm, superior, sanctimonious kind of feeling after watching her show. Often she's convincing. But after Googling some of her more credible sounding stories, I can say she's a master of misrepresentation.

Too bad she's just on once a week now. That was a major fuckup on the part of MSNBC. I'd always tune in to her show over Fox or CNN when she was on.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2937680]
Does MAGA's own tweedledum and tweedledee have solutions to high prices?

Is that a fancy way of saying, "Republican Libertarian"?

Wait for it...I'm pretty sure the dreaded, [i][b]"You're a partisan Democrat"[/b][/i] is coming! (...kkkk!)



I am also pretty sure, judging from the "negative" MAGA campaign being ran by tweedledum and tweedledee, they are simply wanting until the Dems announce what issues and policies they'll be supporting, soon to follow with the "no nothing" MAGA campaign, suddenly having "policies/issues", which of course, mirrors everything "against" what the Dems stand for or support.

Yeah, good luck with a credible answer from, tweedledum and tweedledee, other than "drill baby drill".[/QUOTE]Why yes we do. Cut out the excessive fiscal stimulus when the economy is doing well. Keep interest rates high. Shrink the Fed's balance sheet.

The best way of course is not to create conditions that lead to inflation. As the Wall Street Journal Editorial Board writes today,

"The economy in January 2021 was fast recovering from the pandemic as vaccines rolled out and state lockdowns eased. GDP grew 34.8% in the third quarter of 2020 ,4.2% in the fourth, and 5.2% in the first quarter of 2021. By the end of that first quarter, real GDP had returned to its pre-pandemic high. All Mr. Biden had to do was let the recovery unfold."

So what do the Dumb Ass Democrats do? Pass out $1.9 trillion in handouts, fiscal stimulus that kicked off inflation. And then they followed it up with other legislation that increased the debt and added to the stimulus. The government spent a lot of money that provided less benefit to Americans than if it were spent and saved by the private sector.

Other points:

Don't overregulate, like Biden did. A Mercatus study estimates a 10% increase in total regulations led to a 0. 687 percent increase in consumer prices.

Don't lockdown economies for long stretches. If you do, you'll create shortages and logistical nightmares that contribute to inflation.

If Dumb Ass Democrats are going to overdo the stimulus, the Fed should step in with more restrictive monetary policy instead of sitting on its ass and twiddling its thumbs.

Don't increase tariffs, which increase prices. Instead lower them, which Biden didn't do.

Don't impose sanctions on large oil exporters, especially when oil prices are high. Too bad our politicians didn't push peace in Ukraine instead of throwing gasoline on the fire. If the war could have been nipped in the bud, oil, coal, LNG and grain prices wouldn't have shot skywards.

Put Libertarian Republicans, like Rand Paul, Jeff Flake and Justin Amash in positions of power, instead of Dumb Ass Spendthrifts like Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Donald Trump, Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi.

It should be clear from the context above, but "Dumb Ass Democrats" refers to politicians. I don't believe you, EhiTooms, Xpartan et al are dumb asses. You are sadly misguided.

And stop calling us Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dumb or I'm going to call you and Tooms Beavis and Butthead. And as you apparently have decided to get into the same corner with Hugo Chavez, Nicolas Maduro, Cristina Kirchner, Kamala Harris, Richard Nixon, Jimmy Carter and Stalin on price controls, you're going to be Butthead. Too bad some people (e.g. Kamala Harris) don't learn from history.

[QUOTE=Tiny 12;2937820] And stop calling us Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dumb or I'm going to call you and Tooms Beavis and Butthead. And as you apparently have decided to get into the same corner with Hugo Chavez, Nicolas Maduro, Cristina Kirchner, Kamala Harris, Richard Nixon, Jimmy Carter and Stalin on price controls, you're going to be Butthead. Too bad some people (e.g. Kamala Harris) don't learn from history. [/QUOTE]

What on earth are you taking about? Are you suffering from an identity complex or something?

Why are you assuming [b][i]tweedledum and tweedledee[/i][/b] is you and whoever else you've assumed it to be, [i][b]since I clearly state[/b][/i] that tweedledum and tweedledee are the Repubs at the head of the MAGA "no nothing" campaign running for office.

[QUOTE=Tiny 12;2937820]It should be clear from the context above, but "Dumb Ass Democrats" refers to politicians. I don't believe you, EhiTooms, Xpartan et al are dumb asses. You are sadly misguided.[/QUOTE] (...kkkk!) Perhaps you should read your own advice!

[b]Here let me remind you, of what I wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE=Spidy;2937680]I am also pretty sure, judging from [b]the "negative" MAGA campaign being ran by tweedledum and tweedledee,[/b] they are simply wanting until the Dems announce what issues and policies they'll be supporting, soon to follow with the "no nothing" MAGA campaign, suddenly having "policies/issues", which of course, mirrors everything "against" what the Dems stand for or support. [/QUOTE]

So when did [b][u]you[/u][/b] (and whoever else your delusion extends to) become the candidate(s) running the Repub/MAGA "no nothing" campaign for the 2024 Presidential Election???

I know you think very highly of yourself (as should we all), but c'mon dude!

[QUOTE=Tiny 12;2937820]Why yes we do. Cut out the excessive fiscal stimulus when the economy is doing well. Keep interest rates high. Shrink the Fed's balance sheet.

The best way of course is not to create conditions that lead to inflation. As the Wall Street Journal Editorial Board writes today,

"The economy in January 2021 was fast recovering from the pandemic as vaccines rolled out and state lockdowns eased. GDP grew 34.8% in the third quarter of 2020 ,4.2% in the fourth, and 5.2% in the first quarter of 2021. By the end of that first quarter, real GDP had returned to its pre-pandemic high. All Mr. Biden had to do was let the recovery unfold."

So what do the Dumb Ass Democrats do? Pass out $1.9 trillion in handouts, fiscal stimulus that kicked off inflation. And then they followed it up with other legislation that increased the debt and added to the stimulus. The government spent a lot of money that provided less benefit to Americans than if it were spent and saved by the private sector. [/QUOTE]

Not so "dumb" after all, since the Biden/Harris stellar stewardship and great governing, has inflation at an all time low, since Biden signed the $1.9 Tillion IRA, producing the best economy in the G7 and industrial countries since the pandemic.
[LIST][i]"Folks, inflation has fallen below 3%, its lowest level since March 2021. Prices are still too high, and we have more work to do to lower costs for hardworking Americans -- but were making real progress, [b]with wages rising faster than prices for 17 months in a row,[/b]" Biden posted on X.[/i] {....One day ago Aug 15th, 2024}[/LIST]So check your math, but America has one of the best, if not the best economy in the world. So thanks much, for the [i]"Monday morning quarterbacking"[/i], but I think Biden and Harris, has for the most part, got this one in the bag.

Thanks President Biden, Thanks Veep Harris!

[QUOTE=Tiny 12;2937820]Other points:

Don't overregulate, like Biden did. A Mercatus study estimates a 10% increase in total regulations led to a 0. 687 percent increase in consumer prices.

Don't lockdown economies for long stretches. If you do, you'll create shortages and logistical nightmares that contribute to inflation.

If Dumb Ass Democrats are going to overdo the stimulus, the Fed should step in with more restrictive monetary policy instead of sitting on its ass and twiddling its thumbs.

Don't increase tariffs, which increase prices. Instead lower them, which Biden didn't do.

Don't impose sanctions on large oil exporters, especially when oil prices are high. Too bad our politicians didn't push peace in Ukraine instead of throwing gasoline on the fire. If the war could have been nipped in the bud, oil, coal, LNG and grain prices wouldn't have shot skywards. [/QUOTE] Hey, as you've proclaimed and said, [b]"...the world is not going to come to an end, if Harris is in office".[/b] She and Walz, my even surprise you and extend the exceptionally Biden/Harris growing economy, labor, business and stock market wins.

It surely can't be any worse than Tweedledums' four years in office, since she'll be inheriting another great Dem economy and having been familiar with Biden's great economic team, again stewarding America going forward, is just icing on the cake.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2937836]It surely can't be any worse than Tweedledums' four years in office, since she'll be inheriting another great Dem economy and having been familiar with Biden's great economic team, again stewarding America going forward, is just icing on the cake.[/QUOTE]I thought you were referring to me, the "Libertarian Republican" Tooms was replying to, as one of the Tweedle twins, and perhaps Elvis as the other. And awaiting a reply from us as to what to do about inflation. I was curious why you thought we were running the Republican presidential campaign. I now know that Tweedle Dumb is Trump, but still am not 100% sure who Tweedle Dee is. J.D. Vance? Lara Trump?

Apologies for threatening to call you Butthead. If it helps, it was an empty threat that I never intended to implement. You are a respected, though misguided board member.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2937820]Why yes we do. Cut out the excessive fiscal stimulus when the economy is doing well. Keep interest rates high. Shrink the Fed's balance sheet.

The best way of course is not to create conditions that lead to inflation. As the Wall Street Journal Editorial Board writes today,

"The economy in January 2021 was fast recovering from the pandemic as vaccines rolled out and state lockdowns eased. GDP grew 34.8% in the third quarter of 2020 ,4.2% in the fourth, and 5.2% in the first quarter of 2021. By the end of that first quarter, real GDP had returned to its pre-pandemic high. All Mr. Biden had to do was let the recovery unfold."

So what do the Dumb Ass Democrats do? Pass out $1.9 trillion in handouts, fiscal stimulus that kicked off inflation. And then they followed it up with other legislation that increased the debt and added to the stimulus. The government spent a lot of money that provided less benefit to Americans than if it were spent and saved by the private sector.

Other points:

Don't overregulate, like Biden did. A Mercatus study estimates a 10% increase in total regulations led to a 0. 687 percent increase in consumer prices.

Don't lockdown economies for long stretches. If you do, you'll create shortages and logistical nightmares that contribute to inflation.

If Dumb Ass Democrats are going to overdo the stimulus, the Fed should step in with more restrictive monetary policy instead of sitting on its ass and twiddling its thumbs.

Don't increase tariffs, which increase prices. Instead lower them, which Biden didn't do.

Don't impose sanctions on large oil exporters, especially when oil prices are high. Too bad our politicians didn't push peace in Ukraine instead of throwing gasoline on the fire. If the war could have been nipped in the bud, oil, coal, LNG and grain prices wouldn't have shot skywards.

Put Libertarian Republicans, like Rand Paul, Jeff Flake and Justin Amash in positions of power, instead of Dumb Ass Spendthrifts like Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Donald Trump, Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi.

It should be clear from the context above, but "Dumb Ass Democrats" refers to politicians. I don't believe you, EhiTooms, Xpartan et al are dumb asses. You are sadly misguided.

And stop calling us Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dumb or I'm going to call you and Tooms Beavis and Butthead. And as you apparently have decided to get into the same corner with Hugo Chavez, Nicolas Maduro, Cristina Kirchner, Kamala Harris, Richard Nixon, Jimmy Carter and Stalin on price controls, you're going to be Butthead. Too bad some people (e.g. Kamala Harris) don't learn from history.[/QUOTE]Haven't you heard? Extreme emergency measures RIGHT NOW AND TODAY are necessary and there is really no other way to fix this GROWING PROBLEM.

And this comes directly from the presidential candidate you are hell bent to put back in the White House ASAP. After all, as you and the Murdoch WSJ Editorial Board will testify, Trump never demands unnecessary, extreme measures be taken about anything like keeping those Early Warning / Pandemic Prevention teams in those Chinese labs after September 2019.

No extreme measures, until now, that is. And that is why he promises to become a Dictator on day one and call all the shots on everything. No nutty extremist he. Much more sane and reasonable than Harris.

But Harris' solutions are really unavoidable. It would be irresponsible for Trump not to be behind her plan beyond 100% like the percentage of jobs his stable genius brain told him and then us illegal immigrants took of the jobs Biden-Harris created this year.

It would be irresponsible for Trump not to back Harris' plan beyond 100% TODAY because, as everybody at the WSJ and everywhere else knows, [B]"Bacon has gone up 300%! Nobody can buy bacon anymore! Nobody can buy Cheerios anymore! Nobody can buy groceries! Nobody can buy anything or do anything"![/B].

Consequently, this really is the only thing a responsible potus can do:

[B]Harris outlines 'opportunity economy' centered on cutting housing, family costs..[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/16/kamala-harris-economic-policy.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]

[QUOTE]Vice President Kamala Harris outlined her plan to create an opportunity economy by focusing on lowering the costs of food, housing, health care and childcare.

Her plan includes a federal ban on price gouging on groceries, a new $6,000 child tax credit for families with newborns and a $25,000 boost for first-time home buyers.

Harris framed her plan in stark contrast to the proposals put forward by her Republican rival, former President Donald Trump.[/QUOTE]

To whatever extent Government Spending contributed to Trump's Pandemic Inflation (turns out in this case not all that much), Trump's government spending in 2020, well before Biden passed his American Rescue Plan Act, dwarfs that of 2021 and ever since.

Biden's legislation would only account for a fraction of a fraction of the Inflation Trump's Pandemic, his tarrifs on imported goods and his pre 2021 government spending caused.

And if that smidgen more inflation contributed to by Biden's brilliant recovery policies and stewardship prevented us and the rest of the world from another Great Repub Depression and a very hard Repub Crash Landing post-Trump's Pandemic, I can only add, "Thanks again, Joe and Kamsla. ":

[B]"Thanks to the insane tax-and-spending spree of President Joe Biden and Democrats in Washington, we are seeing six straight months of raging inflation."
MOSTLY FALSE.[/B]

[URL]https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jul/29/rick-scott/blame-joe-biden-inflation-most-government-spending/[/URL]

[QUOTE]Theres no question that high levels of government spending can fuel inflation. But the spending that has occurred since Biden took office, primarily through the American Rescue Plan, accounts for just a part of new government spending over the past 18 months.

Other potential factors are also at play in raising prices: short-term supply interruptions, labor shortages, tariffs on imported goods, or simply the cyclical growth in consumer demand when the economy is recovering from a downturn. [/QUOTE]

Allan Lichtman is the man referenced here whose 13 Keys to the White House system has accurately predicted 10 out of 10 presidential election winners since 1984, with that same 13 Keys system proving accurate if applied to elections going back to 1860.

Yes, those 10 out of 10 that he accurately predicted since 1984 includes his prediction that Al Gore would win in 2000. He proved in 2001 that the 2000 election was a stolen election here:

[B]U.S. Commission on Civil Rights.
Voting Irregularities in Florida During the 2000 Presidential Election.[/B]

[URL]https://www.usccr.gov/files/pubs/vote2000/report/exesum.htm[/URL]

And just today he posted this 10 minute video recapping the egregious violations of tens of thousands of Florida's Gore voters' Rights by rejecting their clear and unambiguous intention to cast a vote for Al Gore:

[URL]https://youtu.be/D57mZejswkI?si=CmcFXcyTrX2NAnC9[/URL]

My god. Thousands of African American voters' ballots were rejected in Jeb Bush's Florida for a punched ballot next to Al Gore's name and writing in his name, probably just to make sure their vote for Gore was counted despite a potential "hanging Chad" or incomplete punch-through.

Shh. Don't tell Larry Summers, the WSJ or any MAGA about this.

If they had gotten their way, we would still be suffering in the midst of another Global Repub Great Depression with everyone without a job and no money in their pockets thanks to Trump's Pandemic waiting patiently for global and domestic manufacturers and shippers to fire up their factories, trucks and ships to make and ship stuff for "customers" without a job and no money in their pockets while manufacturers and shippers are waiting patiently for money to somehow miraculously appear in non existent "customers" pockets miraculously generating demand for the yet to be manufactured and shipped products.

Othwise known as "Repub Economic Policy that has produced every major economic downturn of the past 100 years".

[B]A U.S. construction boom is sending rents lower and creating perks for renters.[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/14/heres-where-rent-concessions-are-happening-the-most-in-the-us-.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]

[QUOTE]Rents are still high because of how much prices climbed [b]during the pandemic[/b], said Chen Zhao, who leads the economics team at Redfin. But now, rent growth has flattened, which can be seen as good news for renters, she said.
.........
"When wages are rising rapidly, that helps to support housing demand, said Divounguy. As the labor market loosens, we expect the rental market to continue to loosen.

Wages are growing 4% to 5% year over year, said Zhao: Thats good. That means that rents are actually falling relative to wages. Your wages are increasing more than rents are. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2937398]The world's non Repub MAGAs already know all about this and don't really need to read or listen to this book to know everything in it.

But it would no doubt come as a total shock for low information suc, er I mean, emotion-driven cult-followers, er I mean "conservatives" to realize what was done to them:

[B]Ministry of Truth.
Democracy, Reality, and the Republicans' War on the Recent Past.[/B]

[URL]https://www.msnbc.com/ministryoftruth[/URL]

[B]Ministry of Truth: Democracy, Reality, and the Republicans War on the Recent Past.[/B]

[URL]http://www.publishersweekly.com/9780063393677[/URL][/QUOTE]Great find, BTW!

What struck me the most, was the revelation about the lying, [U]why he's a serial habitual liar[/U] and how it all ties back to the [I][b]Access Hollywood Tape scandal[/b][/I]. Considering that his 34 felony convictions also centered around the events of the AH tape scandal, it's not hard to fathom, why so much of the understanding about who Trump is, can be garnered from this single event.

[U]His Lying and Why He Lies Revealed:[/U]

In the infamous Access Hollywood interview with Billy Bush, where Trump later said, when the cameras were off:[LIST]Newsweek version: [I][b]"Billy, look...you just tell them and they believe it. That's it! You just tell them and they believe. They just do!" [/b][/I][/LIST][LIST]Or TRMS version: [I][b]"People will just believe you. You just tell them, and they believe you."[/b][/I][/LIST]In other words, he sees most of people that he flogs his lies to, as idiots. Full well knowing, that what he's says is mostly lies. But because he has no respect for other people and believes most people are just idiots, and since most idiots don't think for themselves, is ample reason why he thinks that they're going to believe him.

So weather by hook or by crook, or by [I][b]"Jedi mind trick"[/b][/I], Trumps delusional and wrapped universal belief is, that when he tell people something, they just believe, just because he's saying it. Needless to say the gullible GOP/Repubs, bought into the "Jedi mind trick", hook, line and sinker, with them being associated a leader known as a serial lair and them, branded and labeled as a party of liars!

The latest of course, is the drama queen's fixation on [B]"crowd size"[/B] and his reactionary lies, "TELLING" the public (he believes to be idiots), that his rallies were bigger, when the entire country knows he lying, save of course the Repubs/QAnon/MAGA brainwashed cult.

There is of course, a method to his madness of lies, but that's another story, for another post, I'll have to circle-back to.

But this tired old schtick, he thinks he has going on, and the "Jedi Mind Trick" not what it used to be, since Americans have had 8-years (4-in & 4 out of office) to suss him out, it has become plainly transparent to see, that his time is coming to a close and Americans are ready to move on, to four (4) more years of joy and growth with Harris/Walz in White House.

The demonstrably Winger-leaning polling site, RealClearPolitics, has now shifted the Battleground State of Arizona from the Trump side of their No Toss-Up States Electoral College Map to the Harris side.

They have not quite yet shifted the other important Battleground State of Pennsylvania from Trump to Harris. But that might happen in a matter of days or hours because they do show it to be tied between Trump and Harris as of this writing. See screenshots below:

[URL]https://www.realclearpolling.com/elections/president/2024/battleground-states/2024/battleground-states[/URL]

Harris now leads Trump in the Consensus of both the Head-to-Head and 5-Way races on RCP while Trump is still hanging onto about as nominal a lead as you can have in the overall Battleground States, at +0. 1 point. At this writing, that nominal lead is due to him only hanging onto leads in Nevada, North Carolina and Georgia by 1 to 1. 3 percentage point.

Oh, and the 538 Site already has Harris ahead of Trump Nationally and in the important Battleground States of WI, MI and PA.

[URL]https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/[/URL]

Of course, I only mention these interesting details in passing for those who are interested in polls.

Or used to be.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2937868]To whatever extent Government Spending contributed to Trump's Pandemic Inflation (turns out in this case not all that much), Trump's government spending in 2020, well before Biden passed his American Rescue Plan Act, dwarfs that of 2021 and ever since.

Biden's legislation would only account for a fraction of a fraction of the Inflation Trump's Pandemic, his tarrifs on imported goods and his pre 2021 government spending caused.

And if that smidgen more inflation contributed to by Biden's brilliant recovery policies and stewardship prevented us and the rest of the world from another Great Repub Depression and a very hard Repub Crash Landing post-Trump's Pandemic, I can only add, "Thanks again, Joe and Kamsla. ":

[B]"Thanks to the insane tax-and-spending spree of President Joe Biden and Democrats in Washington, we are seeing six straight months of raging inflation."
MOSTLY FALSE.[/B]

[URL]https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jul/29/rick-scott/blame-joe-biden-inflation-most-government-spending/[/URL][/QUOTE]You come down with cancer. It's curable, but you have to undergo chemo. The chemo is rough. Your hair falls out, and you get sick every time you eat. You go from a strapping 180 pounds all the way down to 120 pounds. But good news! The chemo worked and you're cured! The cancer is gone! Not only that, a group of researchers, including your doctor, came up with a vaccine that will prevent people in the future from getting the cancer, or at least reduce the effects in those who do.

A team consisting of your doctor, some nurses and a dietician design your diet and meals and supervise your eating with a view towards getting your weight back up. Soon you're eating high on the hog. T-bone steak, lobster, mango with sticky rice, you name it. You're back up to 150 pounds! Now it's 165 pounds! You're gaining weight more rapidly than anyone on your team dreamed!

The dietician sees the writing on the wall. If you don't slow down, you're going to get fat. She recommends that your daily calorie consumption be cut from 5,000 calories a day back to 3,000. But the doctor and nurses nix that idea, and in order to comply with hospital policy about taking the dietician seriously, agree to cut your diet to 4500 calories a day.

Another few months and you're back to fighting weight, 180 pounds, smack dab where you were before you got the cancer! Your doctor gets replaced, as does your dietician. Your slim and trim dietician is replaced by Chuck Schumer. Your old team would have advised you to go back to a normal diet. But not the new guys! Some of your doctors highly respected colleagues tell him you need to cut back. But he ignores them. 4500 Calories is not enough! Continue on Tooms, only with 6,000 calories a day!

Before you know it, you're at 220 pounds. And that wouldn't be bad if you'd added muscle. But instead you're flabby from all the saturated fat and rich desserts and now you have heart disease.

While you're very bright, you become dense when confronted with the reality of Progressive Democratic policies, so I shall explain explicitly.

In this parable, you are the economy.

The first doctor is Donald Trump.

The Cancer is the COVID epidemic. The doctor did not cause the cancer. That's just something you cooked up when you were in some kind of delirium because of malnourishment and cancer.

The vaccine that your doctor (Trump) played a part in developing, that will go on to save many others from your type of cancer, is the mRNA COVID vaccine.

Your weight is GDP. It contracts greatly, then bounces back rapidly. By the end of the first quarter of 2021, it's back to where it was when the cancer treatment started.

The nurses are House Democrats, led by Nancy Pelosi.

The food is stimulus spending.

The first dietician is Mitch McConnell and Senate Republicans. Trump and Pelosi and Democrats wanted to hand out $1900 to most men, women and children in December, 2020. McConnell and Senate Republicans made them back off to $1400.

The second president is Joe Biden, and the second dietician is Chuck Schumer.

Your doctor's highly respected colleagues, who were begging him not to increase your diet to 6,000 calories per day when you were back to your pre-cancer weight are respected Democrat economists Larry Summers and Jason Furman.

I hope you enjoyed my parable, and learned something from it.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2937868]To whatever extent Government Spending contributed to Trump's Pandemic Inflation (turns out in this case not all that much), Trump's government spending in 2020, well before Biden passed his American Rescue Plan Act, dwarfs that of 2021 and ever since.

Biden's legislation would only account for a fraction of a fraction of the Inflation Trump's Pandemic, his tarrifs on imported goods and his pre 2021 government spending caused.[/QUOTE]When I use the term Democratic douche, this is why I do so. Trump and Biden both engaged in massive borrowing and spending and when Trump does it, it somehow is bad and when Biden does it, it is great.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2937868]And if that smidgen more inflation contributed to by Biden's brilliant recovery policies and stewardship prevented us and the rest of the world from another Great Repub Depression and a very hard Repub Crash Landing post-Trump's Pandemic, I can only add, "Thanks again, Joe and Kamsla. ":[/QUOTE]There is nothing to applaud with Bidenomics. Inflation is down because of the Fed DESPITE Biden's spending. The problem with that is when you make borrowing costs higher to lower prices, you do so by cutting demand.

The deficit is projected to be $2. 2 trillion. Of that, $1. 6 trillion is projected to be interest payments on the debt. When you are racking up huge credit card debt and you are paying 25% of your income to pay down those credit cards, that is nothing to be proud of.

The government / both political parties freaked out, made Covid into this huge deal instead of calmly and logically reflecting on it. All of a sudden a virus with a death rate at worst twice the rate of the common cold was a reason to go $10 trillion in debt. All the government was doing was printing up money and using that to compensate for the fall in demand. That is not brilliant. It is stupid, and the taxpayer still pays in the end. It is just in the form of inflation versus taxation.

And you are bragging about the rate of inflation being down now? Big fucking deal. You do not live here. Prices are so fucking high and conditions are so bad people are not spending money like they used to. You do not see the stores closing right and left. You do not see the desperation on the part of restaurants like McDonald's cutting prices.

[URL]https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Food/mcdonalds-sets-numbers-straight-exaggerated-prices-social-media/story?id=110676473[/URL]

You also do not see restaurant chains going under.

[URL]https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/italian-restaurant-chain-files-chapter-11-bankruptcy[/URL]

Buca di Beppo's bankruptcy filing marks the latest in the restaurant industry this year.

In recent months, Tijuana Flats, Red Lobster and Rubio's Coastal Grill have each entered Chapter 11 bankruptcy proceedings.

And here you have the perfect headline to describe this mess:

[URL]https://www.salon.com/2024/05/28/major-restaurant-chains-are-cutting-menu-prices-due-to-high-costs-decrease-in-consumer-demand/[/URL]

Major restaurant chains are cutting menu prices due to high food costs, decrease in consumer demand.

And when you have decreased prices due to falling demand, that is not something to applaud. The word for that is not recession but depression.

Gee, thanks again, Joe and Kamala. Let's make sure we blame all this on those greedy food companies instead of government's own insane spending. Yeesh.

Kamala Harris is a dumb *****. Leave it to a Progressive Democratic politician to come up with a plan that will create a black market in milk. If she plans to enforce the price controls on the supermarkets, then given they only have 2% margins, they'll go out of business. Welcome to Venezuela!

We wrote Friday that Kamala Harris was likely to continue President Biden's unfinished Build Back Better agenda, but it turns out we were far too optimistic. The policy priorities the Vice President laid out Friday are much worse, including a plan to impose national price controls on food and groceries.

Ms. Harris's political problem is that the Biden-Harris economic policies have delivered inflation and declining real incomes. The high price of food is a particular sore point, and the Vice President's response is to make it worse by resorting to Venezuelan-style left-wing populism. That's no exaggeration.

On Friday she floated a "first-ever federal ban on price gouging on food and groceries," including "new authority" for the Federal Trade Commission and state attorneys general to punish companies for charging too much.

This sounds like legislation introduced by Sen. Elizabeth Warren that would ban "grossly excessive prices" as determined by the Federal Trade Commission. Business violations would carry a penalty of up to 5% of annual revenue. This would effectively let the FTC set prices. But what is an excessive price? Is $4 too much for a gallon of milk in Omaha? Is it a different price in Miami? FTC Chair Lina Khan and her army of bureaucrats would presumably decide.

There is also no evidence that supermarkets or other food retailers are gouging anyone. Food prices are higher than they were before the Biden Presidency, but that is because of inflation. Retail grocery prices have risen roughly in tandem with wholesale prices. [b]Supermarkets also have narrow margins on sales roughly 2%, compared to 8% on average for other businesses.[/b]

Fixing prices is a recipe for shortages, as controls would discourage grocery suppliers. Voil, empty store shelves. Price controls have led to shortages everywhere they've been tried, from Moscow to Caracas.

The Biden-Harris inflation has made homes unaffordable for most young families, and her brainstorm for that is. . . More subsidies. Ms. Harris wants $25,000 in down-payment assistance for "first-time" home buyers. But this would merely drive home prices higher. States and localities mainly regulate housing, but Ms. Harris wants to federalize it with a bonanza of Washington programs to encourage "affordable" home construction.

Ms. Harris has endorsed the Biden plan to condition tax breaks for developers on rent caps, which will discourage new housing investment. No state has spent more on housing than her native California, yet it has the nation's highest home prices. As a result of sundry regulations, it costs more than $1 million to build an "affordable" housing unit in the Golden State.

We could go on about her other ideas, such as her embrace of Mr. Biden's $5 trillion in tax increases. But the ideas she claimed as her own Friday reveal a candidate whose economic judgment is deeply flawed.

[url]https://www.wsj.com/opinion/kamala-harris-economic-plan-price-controls-housing-child-tax-credit-richard-nixon-a37e08b4?mod=opinion_lead_pos1[/url]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2937876]Allan Lichtman is the man referenced here whose 13 Keys to the White House system has accurately predicted 10 out of 10 presidential election winners since 1984, with that same 13 Keys system proving accurate if applied to elections going back to 1860.

Yes, those 10 out of 10 that he accurately predicted since 1984 includes his prediction that Al Gore would win in 2000. He proved in 2001 that the 2000 election was a stolen election here:

[B]U.S. Commission on Civil Rights.
Voting Irregularities in Florida During the 2000 Presidential Election.[/B]

[URL]https://www.usccr.gov/files/pubs/vote2000/report/exesum.htm[/URL]

And just today he posted this 10 minute video recapping the egregious violations of tens of thousands of Florida's Gore voters' Rights by rejecting their clear and unambiguous intention to cast a vote for Al Gore:

[URL]https://youtu.be/D57mZejswkI?si=CmcFXcyTrX2NAnC9[/URL]

My god. Thousands of African American voters' ballots were rejected in Jeb Bush's Florida for a punched ballot next to Al Gore's name and writing in his name, probably just to make sure their vote for Gore was counted despite a potential "hanging Chad" or incomplete punch-through.[/QUOTE]Your absolutely right, it is pretty egregious!

Lichtman is right, it was stolen! Is it any wonder why, Trump has been targeting, all of the Black and Brown counties and communities, in the key battleground states, and lying, claiming widespread election fraud? With the intent of pulling the same false narratives w/r to those communities votes being "rejected".

YES, indeed the stolen 2000 Election due to the fraudulent rejection of votes in Florida, was IMHO, the blue print for Repubs and Trump. It was the testing ground and proof positive, that if we (Repubs) at attack, disenfranchise and destroy, these Black and Brown minority communities ability to vote, grants us a clearer path to victory.

The 2000 Election is definitely a great case great, for those studying, Constitution and Voting Rights Election Laws. But serves as a reminder, that cases like this, is THE ONLY WAY, that Repubs know how to win, as this same scenario, is played out in different battle ground states, each election cycle.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2937398]The world's non Repub MAGAs already know all about this and don't really need to read or listen to this book to know everything in it.

But it would no doubt come as a total shock for low information suc, er I mean, emotion-driven cult-followers, er I mean "conservatives" to realize what was done to them:

[B]Ministry of Truth.
Democracy, Reality, and the Republicans' War on the Recent Past.[/B]

[URL]https://www.msnbc.com/ministryoftruth[/URL][/QUOTE]

I didn't see this initially on the MSNBC webpage, but for those who may also have missed it, this 6 minute audio, sums up nicely the madness, mendacity and the absence of shame, to the everyday pernicious lies, now being perpetrated as truth, by the newly converted gullible GOP/Republican party, into a "Trumpian Hellscape".

[i][b](6-min.)[/b] Method to the madness, is a foundation of lies, [b]built on four (4) pernicious pillars:[/b][/i]
[URL]https://soundcloud.com/harperaudio_us/ministry-of-truth-by-steve-benen[/URL]

A comment and a question. The definitive, after-the-fact study of the 2000 election was done by a group of 8 newspapers, the New York Times, The WSJ, the Tribune Company, the Washington Post, the AP, the St. Petersburg Times, the Palm Beach Post, and CNN. They went back and counted all the hanging chads et cetera and determined Bush would have won anyway if the Supreme Court hadn't stopped the count.

Allan "Rudy Giuliani" Lichtman apparently is approaching the problem from a different angle. I'd like to know how whoever was counting votes knew whether a ballot was marked by a black person or a white person. Lichtman's argument sounds racist to me, that minority voters don't know how to mark ballots.

That's not to say that we might not have been better off under Gore. Maybe Gore wouldn't have invaded Iraq.

[B]And now the question. Elvis brought up Kamala Harris' involvement in getting FOSTA and SESTA passed. I haven't seen a peep out of anyone about that. How do you gentlemen feel about publishing reports here, knowing that Kamala's legislation might just get you or the owners of this site that we treasure thrown in jail?[/B] Kamala Harris is not the Monger's Friend.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2938039]The demonstrably Winger-leaning polling site, RealClearPolitics, has now shifted the Battleground State of Arizona from the Trump side of their No Toss-Up States Electoral College Map to the Harris side.

They have not quite yet shifted the other important Battleground State of Pennsylvania from Trump to Harris. But that might happen in a matter of days or hours because they do show it to be tied between Trump and Harris as of this writing. See screenshots below:

[URL]https://www.realclearpolling.com/elections/president/2024/battleground-states/2024/battleground-states[/URL]

Harris now leads Trump in the Consensus of both the Head-to-Head and 5-Way races on RCP while Trump is still hanging onto about as nominal a lead as you can have in the overall Battleground States, at +0. 1 point. At this writing, that nominal lead is due to him only hanging onto leads in Nevada, North Carolina and Georgia by 1 to 1. 3 percentage point.

Oh, and the 538 Site already has Harris ahead of Trump Nationally and in the important Battleground States of WI, MI and PA.

[URL]https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/[/URL]

Of course, I only mention these interesting details in passing for those who are interested in polls.

Or used to be.[/QUOTE]

While "others" are no longer quoting their ever loving Vegas Odds (not that I think they're a real indicator of victory, but) I was interested in seeing what Vegas was NOW saying:

[b]Harris becomes betting favorite in presidential election odds after swing state barnstorm[/b]
[URL]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/harris-becomes-betting-favorite-in-presidential-election-odds-after-swing-state-barnstorm/ar-AA1oEqRd[/URL]

[b]Trader Up $500,000 Betting On Kamala Harris, Could Make Another $1M If The Vice President Wins The Election[/b]
[URL]https://www.benzinga.com/markets/cryptocurrency/24/08/40421149/trader-up-500-000-betting-on-kamala-harris-could-make-another-1m-if-the-vice-president-win[/URL]

Look at that, Harris is already making people rich! (...kkkk$)

BTW, well you did say:
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2935961] "Don't worry, they can [b]flip-flop from one extreme to the other on a dime,[/b] much like Shady Pants, I mean J.D. Vance's opinion of Donald Trump" [/QUOTE]

Speaking of a yet another Tweedledum flip-flop, this time gaslighting Americans, and defending Tweedledee's so called love of the military and his disrespectful false medal equivalencies gaffe, the uproar among the military was visibly upsetting, especially veterans with MOHs.
[LIST]Medal Of Honor (MOH) recipients, came out to say: [i]"[b]Trump has no clue about Military service[/b] or what it means to serve your country. Or to put others before/above yourself. Or what it means for self-sacrifice, for your fellow soldiers, countrymen, or brothers-in-arms."[/i][/LIST]Yet again, another example of Trump's attempt at gaslighting his disdain for the military, using JD Vance's military background, to defend his MOH gaffe and rewrite recent history, in Aug 2020, where he called, "Americans who died in war are 'Losers' and 'Suckers'."

Needless to say the backlash was swift and harsh for the Tweedledum/Tweedledee campaign, that it doesn't look good for the military vote either!

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2938126]A comment and a question. The definitive, after-the-fact study of the 2000 election was done by a group of 8 newspapers, the New York Times, The WSJ, the Tribune Company, the Washington Post, the AP, the St. Petersburg Times, the Palm Beach Post, and CNN. They went back and counted all the hanging chads et cetera and determined Bush would have won anyway if the Supreme Court hadn't stopped the count.

Allan "Rudy Giuliani" Lichtman apparently is approaching the problem from a different angle. I'd like to know how whoever was counting votes knew whether a ballot was marked by a black person or a white person. Lichtman's argument sounds racist to me, that minority voters don't know how to mark ballots.

That's not to say that we might not have been better off under Gore. Maybe Gore wouldn't have invaded Iraq.

[B]And now the question. Elvis brought up Kamala Harris' involvement in getting FOSTA and SESTA passed. I haven't seen a peep out of anyone about that. How do you gentlemen feel about publishing reports here, knowing that Kamala's legislation might just get you or the owners of this site that we treasure thrown in jail?[/B] Kamala Harris is not the Monger's Friend.[/QUOTE]Without a link I really can't say exactly where and how all those people got it wrong. But from your description of it I suspect they were focused on ballots with or without hanging chads and all that. Which is not what the study and investigation Lichtman testified in found to be the evidence that votes for Gore were not accepted or counted at all. Did you read the actual link for the actual most definitive study of it that I posted?

On FOSTA and SESTA, they fall within the usual sucker social issues on which I would never base my vote. Society will work that out regardless who is in the WH. And it will wind up being more liberal than conservative. That's how human beings are. That is what they want.

Meanwhile, none of your parables will ever change the inarguable facts of historic and quite current horrific Repub economic policy and stewardship results vs historic and quite current positive Dem economic policy and stewardship results.

Call it Real World (Dem) results vs Academic and Repeatedly Debunked (Repub) results perhaps.

The fact is whenever Repubs, Wingers, Trumpsters, Conservatives, Bothsiders, Neithersiders, Independents or whatever moniker they are hiding behind warn us that the Dems' plan, policies and stewardship will surely destroy Capitalism and the American Economy as we know and love it according to some passage in a text book written by a ludite, they turn out to be 100% wrong in every conceivable way; we get historic economic Recoveries, Expansions, jobs creation, business successes, even reduced budget deficits and, often, legislation destined to become revered by most Americans as examples for what really Makes America Great.

And we usually get those pronouncement from the clueless rabble just as Dems are coming into office to clean up the typical colossal mess of everything the Repub left behind.

By stark contrast, when Dems warn us that this or that Repub policy will wreak havoc on the American economy and the lives of millions of Americans, that is exactly what happens. And all too often it truly does bring us to the brink of destroying Capitalism and the American Economy as we know and love it.

So my Days of suffering through know nothing, do nothing, Deadbeat Repubs who insist THEY know how to do anything well and positive for America and that the "idiot" Dems just don't know what they are doing are long, long, long over.

I ain't falling for that Repub con anymore.

Make no mistake about it, convict Trump is the American "boggeyman", we all fear and loath. More specifically the [b]"Project 2025 Boogeyman"![/b] And let's not forget the sidekick Tweedledee "Single Mom Cat Women" boogeyman!

Yes, as Trump and Repubs, attempt to paint Harris in a poor light, in as many ways as they can, to see what will sticks to the wall and have you believe Veep Harris is "bad for the presidency of the office", that Harris is "bad for the economy", that Harris "has no vision for the country", that Harris "isn't going to be "tough on crime", that Harris will make "America look bad on the international stage", that Harris "isn't intelligent" and lets not forget the newly minted, Harris will be "bad mongering", schtick...sigh!
[LIST] [b]Just for the records:[/b]

[i]For me anyways, it has always been perfectly clear that whatever the circumstances, world events, changes in gov't administrations, viruses, pandemics, or political "boogeymen" and "boogeywomen", that have seemingly blocked our path to "putang", [b]any mongerer worth their salt,[/b] have always adapted and thrived.[/i] --Enuf said![/LIST]So let's be real clear, Trump, Vance, Repubs and Project 2025, are [u]the REAL "boggeymen"[/u], Americans should pay attention to:

Project 2025, a subversive doctrine, is roughly a 1,000-page document they have written as a manual for their right-wing fascist 2025 administration. They are TELLING you, what this American "boggeyman" hellscape will look like, if Trump/Vance ticket, is elected in 2024 (Note: [b]This is just a short list[/b]):

• Mass layoffs of civil servants • Install Trump loyalists • Terminate Constitution
• Investigate political advisors • Seal-Team 6 "sanctioned" political killing

• Mass deportations • Bomb Mexico • Shoot Migrants • Electrify Wall
• Reinstate and expand the ban of people from Muslim-majority countries
• Impose immigrant "ideological screening" • Revoke student protesters visas w/ceasefire

• Gut/Terminate the Dept. of Education • Teach "patriotic education"
• Shoot shoplifters • Require "stop & frisk" • Billionaire Tax-Cuts/exempt f/prosecution
• Mass tent camps for homeless people • Re-institutionalize the mentally ill

• Immunity to all police officers • Deploy Military/National Guard to combat protests
• Federal takeovers of Democratic cities including D.C., Chicago and New York
• Gut the green energy programs • Exit the Paris Climate Accords
• Gut the EPA Increase the use of fossil fuels & discard EVs

• Enforce the 1873 Comstock Act to ban abortion nationwide
• Punish Hospital that provide any transgender care
• Nationwide ban on abortion, women's care, trans care minors

• End Birthright Citizenship
• Allow states to roll-back/punish, women's, LGBTQ and minority rights, as they see fit
• Withdraw from NATO • No "two-state" solution • 10% Tarrif on foreign goods

Sure the world would NOT come to an END, as some folk like to tell ya, but it sure would turn to shit! As [b]"everything turns to shit under Trump"[/b], just as things ALWAYS do under Trump!

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2938203] ... By stark contrast, when Dems warn us that this or that Repub policy will wreak havoc on the American economy and the lives of millions of Americans, that is exactly what happens. And all too often it truly does bring us to the brink of destroying Capitalism and the American Economy as we know and love it.

So my Days of suffering through know nothing, do nothing, Deadbeat Repubs who insist THEY know how to do anything well and positive for America and that the "idiot" Dems just don't know what they are doing are long, long, long over. [/QUOTE] Agreed! As Trump and Repubs, attempt to gaslight they their way to the WH, they do this, precisely because they have become a [b]"know nothing, do nothing"[/b] party, under Trump

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2938203] I ain't falling for that Repub con anymore.[/QUOTE] Yep, me neither! Even Veep Harris, says [b]"Don't fall for the okey-doke"[/b] (...kkkk!)

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2938126]A comment and a question. The definitive, after-the-fact study of the 2000 election was done by a group of 8 newspapers, the New York Times, The WSJ, the Tribune Company, the Washington Post, the AP, the St. Petersburg Times, the Palm Beach Post, and CNN. They went back and counted all the hanging chads et cetera and determined Bush would have won anyway if the Supreme Court hadn't stopped the count.

Allan "Rudy Giuliani" Lichtman apparently is approaching the problem from a different angle. I'd like to know how whoever was counting votes knew whether a ballot was marked by a black person or a white person. Lichtman's argument sounds racist to me, that minority voters don't know how to mark ballots.

That's not to say that we might not have been better off under Gore. Maybe Gore wouldn't have invaded Iraq.

[B]And now the question. Elvis brought up Kamala Harris' involvement in getting FOSTA and SESTA passed. I haven't seen a peep out of anyone about that. How do you gentlemen feel about publishing reports here, knowing that Kamala's legislation might just get you or the owners of this site that we treasure thrown in jail?[/B] Kamala Harris is not the Monger's Friend.[/QUOTE]The answers to the questions of how it was known that the overwhelming percentage of "rejected for error" ballots in Florida were cast by African Americans even before they would or could be reviewed for hanging chads as well as how likely most of those earlier rejected ballots / votes would have been for Gore is addressed in the full report and in Lichtman's 10 minute video I linked previously and will link again here:

[URL]https://youtu.be/D57mZejswkI?si=Me7T-1y5NWoh0LAN[/URL]

The shorter (and incomplete) version is:

- 180,000 ballots / votes in Florida were rejected for error.

- In Florida, people register to vote indicating their race.

- Al Gore's support among African Americans was 95%.

- Of the 180,000 ballots / votes rejected for error, a huge, disproportionately high percentage of ballots / votes in highly segregated African American precincts were rejected, to the tune of 1 out of every 9 or 10 vs that of predominantly white precincts at 1 out of 50.

- Many if not most of the African American ballots / votes that were rejected out of hand were for "over votes" where they had not only punched the Chad hole for Gore but also wrote in his name just to be sure.

- Such an obvious "clear intent" as above was precisely what all those days of hand counting and Chad checking (too late to save those earlier African American precinct rejections) was supposed to be about.

- Even a conservative mathematical estimate on how many African American ballots / votes that were rejected despite the clearest intent imaginable for which candidate they were voting for along with that 95% support for Gore in the African American communities of Florida concluded tens of thousands of Gore votes in Florida were never counted, might not have even made it to the hanging Chad checking stage of the recount on which all those supposedly "definitive" after the fact reviews were based.

Al Gore would very likely have sprung into action to spread the word at airports to be particularly on the look out for suspicious behavior based on that alarming Presidential Daily Briefing Bush got weeks before his 9/11 Attack instead of blowing it off and ignoring it so he could get back to clearing brush down at the ranch the way Bush did and while Rice ignored it as well.

Similar to the way his boss Clinton responded pro-actively whenever he got such an Intel briefing. A serious response like that is almost always picked up and known by the terrorist plotters and they will either drop their plan or behave more suspiciously out of fear in the knowledge that "someone gives a shit and is looking for us. ".

No such worry clouded the intentions or altered the behavior of those 9/11 hijackers under GW Bush. And for good reason; he and Rice didn't give a shit enough to respond to that alarming early warning PDB.

Same as Trump didn't give a shit about all expert warnings for him not to do something so dangerous and stupid as to defund and remove the highly successful Early Warning, Pandemic Prevention Team from those Chinese labs in 2018 and 2019.

Consequently, it is extremely doubtful there would have been a 9/11 Attack at all then or another time during an Al Gore presidency. Therefore, no invasion of Iraq and no war in Afghanistan.

Oh, and no 2008 GW Bush Financial Crisis near total collapse of Capitalism and the American Economy for Obama-Biden to rescue and recover us from either.

That 2000 stolen election by Jeb and his fellow Repubs had massive and disastrous domino-effect repercussions.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2938203]Without a link I really can't say exactly where and how all those people got it wrong. But from your description of it I suspect they were focused on ballots with or without hanging chads and all that. Which is not what the study and investigation Lichtman testified in found to be the evidence that votes for Gore were not accepted or counted at all. Did you read the actual link for the actual most definitive study of it that I posted?[/QUOTE]As politically knowledgeable (seriously) as you are, it's amazing that the newspaper consortium's work on the 2000 election slipped by you. See here for example.

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/12/us/examining-vote-overview-study-disputed-florida-ballots-finds-justices-did-not.html[/URL]

Bush would have come up the winner if the USA Supreme Court hadn't stopped the recount ordered by the Florida Supreme Court, or if the recount had been limited to four Democratic counties, in accordance with Gore's strategy early on. It's more difficult to say what would have happened if all rejected votes had been recounted, but, using some of your favorite words, that's in the realm of "whataboutism" and "might have, could have, should have. ".

Lichtman's work on the 2000 election was for the USA Commission on Civil Rights. John Lott, a Yale economist, was also engaged by the commission. Lott determined that "it is African American Republicans who were harmed. Indeed, the nonvoted ballot rate for white Republicans is higher than for white or African‐American Democrats. The data also indicate that nonvoted ballot rates are highest in those counties where Democrats are the election supervisors. ".

I can say with 100% certainty that Lichtman doesn't know much about statistics, and / or he was pursuing an agenda and purposefully twisted the data. I say this because he favored analysis of the data at the county level instead of the precinct level. His precinct level analysis did not show, with statistical significance, that more African American ballots were spoiled than other ballots. Anyone who's aware of Simpson's paradox would favor the precinct level analysis. To provide a recent example, in Scotland, people who got the COVID vaccine were more likely to have suffered from severe COVID or die from COVID than people who did not. The reason is because older people got vaccinated in higher numbers than younger people. When you segment the date by age groups, you see the vaccine was highly effective in preventing severe disease and death. You're seeing a similar, although not as pronounced, effect here.

Licthman also didn't even look at spoiled ballots among Hispanic Americans or Asians. He just threw them in with whites. This is curious because there were more Hispanics, many of which were Cuban American immigrants. They may have been more likely to vote Republican. Also they were less literate on average than whites and blacks. If you're going to make the racist argument that blacks didn't know how to mark ballots, that should apply doubly for Latin immigrants. Many are learning English. Their presence is the reason California, New York and Texas rank higher in level of illiteracy than most other states.

Lichtman refused to supply his data to dissenting members of the Commission by the way.

Lichtman's agenda probably was to try to benefit the Democratic Party, by showing, by hook or crook, that black voters had been disenfranchised. Democrats used this strategy for many years to get an advantage. It enabled them to aggressively gerrymander blue states, while the courts prevented similar shenanigans in some red southern states. You can see the results by comparing the popular vote for the House of Representatives to the % of House seats won by Democrats. From 1948 to 2008, the Democrats usually got a lot more than their fair share of House seats.

[URL]https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/vitalstats_ch2_tbl2.pdf[/URL]

From the dissenting commissioners' report.

"The majority report lays the blame for the supposed disenfranchisement of black voters at the feet of state officials particularly Governor Jeb Bush and Secretary of State Katherine Harris. In fact, however, elections in Florida are the responsibility of 67 county supervisors of election. And, interestingly,[B] in all but one of the 25 counties with the highest spoilage rates, the election was supervised by a Democrat the one exception being an official with no party affiliation.[/B].

The majority report argues that much of the spoiled ballot problem was due to voting technology. But elected Democratic Party officials decided on the type of machinery used, including the optical scanning system in Gadsden County, the state's only majority-black county and the one with the highest spoilage rate."

In other words, you can blame high spoilage rates on incompetent Democrats. That's not surprising, Republicans govern better at the state and local level.

As to the rest of your post, I've given up on getting you to see the true light. I think you're a lost cause. But I still pray for your enlightenment.

[URL]https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.1086/345576[/URL]

[URL]https://www.usccr.gov/files/pubs/vote2000/report/appendix/dissent.htm[/URL]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2938407]The answers to the questions of how it was known that the overwhelming percentage of "rejected for error" ballots in Florida were cast by African Americans even before they would or could be reviewed for hanging chads as well as how likely most of those earlier rejected ballots / votes would have been for Gore is addressed in the full report and in Lichtman's 10 minute video I linked previously and will link again here:

[URL]https://youtu.be/D57mZejswkI?si=Me7T-1y5NWoh0LAN[/URL]

The shorter (and incomplete) version is:

- 180,000 ballots / votes in Florida were rejected for error....[/QUOTE]Your post showed up after I posted mine, I believe. It's getting late here. I'll try to remember to watch the video tomorrow. I suspect my links below provide good rebuttals to whatever's in the video.

Most of the 180,000 rejected votes for president were undervotes and overvotes. By that I mean either the voter didn't mark the ballot for any candidate, or he marked it for more than one.

I undervote in a lot of elections. If I don't know anything about the candidates, I won't choose, and just move onto the next office. I've read about knowledgeable people overvoting. They like two candidates and probably don't realize if they do that, their votes won't count.

All of the voting issues could be resolved with a pen and paper and proper instructions that are simple. [B]Mark only one candidate for each office or you vote will be considered invalid[/B]. In bold just how a wrote it at the top of the ballot.

The votes should be hand counted twice. Elections are the core of democracy. They should be kept simple.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2938432]As politically knowledgeable (seriously) as you are, it's amazing that the newspaper consortium's work on the 2000 election slipped by you. See here for example.

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/12/us/examining-vote-overview-study-disputed-florida-ballots-finds-justices-did-not.html[/URL]

Bush would have come up the winner if the USA Supreme Court hadn't stopped the recount ordered by the Florida Supreme Court, or if the recount had been limited to four Democratic counties, in accordance with Gore's strategy early on. It's more difficult to say what would have happened if all rejected votes had been recounted, but, using some of your favorite words, that's in the realm of "whataboutism" and "might have, could have, should have. ".

Lichtman's work on the 2000 election was for the USA Commission on Civil Rights. John Lott, a Yale economist, was also engaged by the commission. Lott determined that "it is African American Republicans who were harmed. Indeed, the nonvoted ballot rate for white Republicans is higher than for white or African‐American Democrats. The data also indicate that nonvoted ballot rates are highest in those counties where Democrats are the election supervisors. ".

I can say with 100% certainty that Lichtman doesn't know much about statistics, and / or he was pursuing an agenda and purposefully twisted the data. I say this because he favored analysis of the data at the county level instead of the precinct level. His precinct level analysis did not show, with statistical significance, that more African American ballots were spoiled than other ballots. Anyone who's aware of Simpson's paradox would favor the precinct level analysis. To provide a recent example, in Scotland, people who got the COVID vaccine were more likely to have suffered from severe COVID or die from COVID than people who did not. The reason is because older people got vaccinated in higher numbers than younger people. When you segment the date by age groups, you see the vaccine was highly effective in preventing severe disease and death. You're seeing a similar, although not as pronounced, effect here.

Licthman also didn't even look at spoiled ballots among Hispanic Americans or Asians. He just threw them in with whites. This is curious because there were more Hispanics, many of which were Cuban American immigrants. They may have been more likely to vote Republican. Also they were less literate on average than whites and blacks. If you're going to make the racist argument that blacks didn't know how to mark ballots, that should apply doubly for Latin immigrants. Many are learning English. Their presence is the reason California, New York and Texas rank higher in level of illiteracy than most other states.

Lichtman refused to supply his data to dissenting members of the Commission by the way.

Lichtman's agenda probably was to try to benefit the Democratic Party, by showing, by hook or crook, that black voters had been disenfranchised. Democrats used this strategy for many years to get an advantage. It enabled them to aggressively gerrymander blue states, while the courts prevented similar shenanigans in some red southern states. You can see the results by comparing the popular vote for the House of Representatives to the % of House seats won by Democrats. From 1948 to 2008, the Democrats usually got a lot more than their fair share of House seats.

[URL]https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/vitalstats_ch2_tbl2.pdf[/URL]

From the dissenting commissioners' report.

"The majority report lays the blame for the supposed disenfranchisement of black voters at the feet of state officials particularly Governor Jeb Bush and Secretary of State Katherine Harris. In fact, however, elections in Florida are the responsibility of 67 county supervisors of election. And, interestingly,[B] in all but one of the 25 counties with the highest spoilage rates, the election was supervised by a Democrat the one exception being an official with no party affiliation.[/B].

The majority report argues that much of the spoiled ballot problem was due to voting technology. But elected Democratic Party officials decided on the type of machinery used, including the optical scanning system in Gadsden County, the state's only majority-black county and the one with the highest spoilage rate."

In other words, you can blame high spoilage rates on incompetent Democrats. That's not surprising, Republicans govern better at the state and local level.

As to the rest of your post, I've given up on getting you to see the true light. I think you're a lost cause. But I still pray for your enlightenment.

[URL]https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.1086/345576[/URL]

[URL]https://www.usccr.gov/files/pubs/vote2000/report/appendix/dissent.htm[/URL][/QUOTE]Your NYT report appears to support Lichtman's contention regarding over votes and a Gore win even if they had ignored the earlier ballot / vote rejections and only gone with the hanging and dimpled Chad examination, but carried out in a more state-wide fashion rather than the more limited precinct examinations Gore went with due to time restraints:

[QUOTE]But the consortium, looking at a broader group of rejected ballots than those covered in the court decisions, 175,010 in all, found that Mr. Gore might have won if the courts had ordered a full statewide recount of all the rejected ballots. This also assumes that county canvassing boards would have reached the same conclusions about the disputed ballots that the consortium's independent observers did. The findings indicate that Mr. Gore might have eked out a victory if he had pursued in court a course like the one he publicly advocated when he called on the state to ''count all the votes.''
...........
If all the ballots had been reviewed under any of seven single standards, and combined with the results of an examination of overvotes, Mr. Gore would have won, by a very narrow margin.
...........
All the other combinations likewise produced additional votes for Mr. Gore, giving him a slight margin over Mr. Bush, when at least two of the three coders agreed.

While these are fascinating findings, they do not represent a real-world situation. There was no set of circumstances in the fevered days after the election that would have produced a hand recount of all 175,000 overvotes and undervotes.[/QUOTE]The minority dissenting opinion expressed by Thernstrom and Redenbaugh, much of which relies on Lott's article on spoiled (non voted) ballot rates, is too twisted and convoluted for me to read all of it, particularly considering it is in fact the minority opinion that was overwhelmed and substantiated by the majority in that hearing anyway.

However, as I scanned it I was struck by the effort they put into promoting the idea that one can not necessarily conclude that the high percentage of ballots / votes that were rejeced for over votes (as opposed to non votes) in highly segregated African American precincts in Florida were originally cast by African Americans. Like, you know, maybe most of the rejected ones were cast by the scant few White, Asian or Hispanic residents in those precincts. After all, once cast the identity of the voter is not known.

Uh. Ok. LOL.

And most of those African American precincts, predominantly Dem and definitely not Repub, had Dems for election supervisors? No kidding? Of course, if Repub State Legislators say toss out the over votes, that is what those law-abiding Dems are going to do.

Doesn't change the fact concluded by the majority in that Lichtman hearing and the consortium reported on by the NYT that more Floridians voted for and intended to vote for Al Gore rather than GW Bush in the 2000 election.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2938461]All of the voting issues could be resolved with a pen and paper and proper instructions that are simple. [B]Mark only one candidate for each office or you vote will be considered invalid[/B]. In bold just how a wrote it at the top of the ballot.

The votes should be hand counted twice. Elections are the core of democracy. They should be kept simple.[/QUOTE]As everything in the world, technology advancement allows for more accuracy not less. Example, you believe in crytocurrency because the ledger is accurate from one transfer to the next, and so on are recorded, and that over printing of money is a human decision. As fiat money can not be accounted for once it is printed and in the hands of the user, crypto can be trace through its lifetime. Machines have parameter that they don't disregard and codes can be audited. I believe most of the errors are human, not machine. Machines only need to be adjusted once at the test levels to prevent machine errors. Whereas human can continue to make the same mistake over and over again.

I will agree with you that proper instructions are needed, but I like machines over the what we have before.

It sure looks like "Dems good, Repubs bad" and "Harris good, Trump bad" to me.

I suppose he is just another Democratic Douche.

[B]Exclusive: Conservative Republican endorses Harris, calls Trump a threat to democracy.
Aug. 19, 2024[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/19/politics/conservative-republican-endorses-harris-calls-trump-a-threat-to-democracy?cid=ios_app[/URL]

[QUOTE]Retired federal appeals court Judge J. Michael Luttig, a prominent conservative legal scholar put on the bench by President George H.W. Bush, is endorsing Vice President Kamala Harris over former President Donald Trump, whose candidacy he describes as an existential threat to American democracy.

It will be the first time Luttig, a veteran of two Republican administrations, has voted for a Democrat.

[B]"In the presidential election of 2024 there is only one political party and one candidate for the presidency that can claim the mantle of defender and protector of Americas Democracy, the Constitution, and the Rule of Law, Luttig wrote in a statement obtained exclusively by CNN. As a result, I will unhesitatingly vote for the Democratic Partys candidate for the Presidency of the United States, Vice President of the United States, Kamala Harris.[/b]

Luttig played a now famous role in persuading then-Vice President Mike Pence to defy Trump and certify the 2020 presidential election. In a series of tweets drafted at the request of Pences attorney, Luttig spelled out in stark terms the legal rationale for Pence to reject the former presidents attempt to overturn Joe Bidens victory.

Since then, Luttig has emerged as a preeminent constitutional critic of Trump. In endorsing Harris, Luttig argues that partisan distinctions must, in this election, be set aside in order to prevent the [b]singularly unfit Trump[/b] from returning to the White House.

"In voting for Vice President Harris, I assume that her public policy views are vastly different from my own, Luttig writes, but I am indifferent in this election as to her policy views on any issues other than Americas Democracy, the Constitution, and the Rule of Law, as I believe all Americans should be.

[B]Luttigs scathing rebuke of Trump and endorsement of Harris underscores the depths of divisions between Reagan-and Bush-era Republicans and the modern, Trump-dominated GOP. The former judge is just as an unsparing of the Republican party as he is of Trump, whom together he says have launched the war on Americas Democracy.

The corrosive effects, he adds, will echo through generations.[/b]

Because of the former presidents continued, knowingly false claims that he won the 2020 election, millions of Americans no longer have faith and confidence in our national elections, and many never will again, Luttig writes. Many Americans especially young Americans, tragically have even begun to question whether constitutional democracy is the best form of self-government for America.

The stakes, Luttig argues, are as high now as in the late 18th century, when the countrys founders and authors of the US Constitution including Alexander Hamilton and Thomas Jefferson, typically political foes joined together to voice concern over the potential emergence of an authoritarian demagogue.

The stakes, Luttig argues, are as high now as in the late 18th century, when the countrys founders and authors of the US Constitution including Alexander Hamilton and Thomas Jefferson, typically political foes joined together to voice concern over the potential emergence of an authoritarian demagogue.

"The time for Americas choosing has come, Luttig writes. It is time for all Americans to stand and affirm whether they believe in American Democracy, the Constitution, and the Rule of Law, and want for America the same or whether they do not.

Though this will be Luttigs first time pulling the lever for a Democrat in any election, he has, in the aftermath of January 6, 2021, come out in support of some decisions by the Biden administration. He wholeheartedly endorsed the 2022 nomination of now-Supreme Court Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson to the high court, even calling out Republicans who said they would not vote to confirm her.

"The President knew at the time that there were any number of highly qualified black women on the lower federal courts from among whom he could choose including Judge Jackson and Republicans should have known that the President would nominate one of those supremely qualified black women to succeed Justice Breyer, he wrote at the time.

Luttig now joins a number of high-profile Republicans endorsing Harris, including former members of Congress Joe Walsh, Barbara Comstock and Adam Kinzinger.

Kinzinger, now a CNN contributor, will have a high-profile speaking slot this week at the Democratic National Convention in Chicago.

Former Georgia Lt. Gov. Geoff Duncan, also a CNN contributor, endorsed Harris at the end of July in an Atlanta Journal-Constitution op-ed.

Her campaign, he wrote, was the best vehicle toward preventing another stained Trump presidency.

[B]Speaking to CNN, Luttig said his decision to publicly back Harris was a matter of knowing right from wrong and acting in accordance.

"In my faith, we believe that we will one day answer for our wrongs. I have always tried to live my life in anticipation of that day. Imperfectly, to be sure. But I have tried, an emotional Luttig said. My endorsement of the Vice President was the right thing to do. It would have been wrong for me to stay silent, and I believe I would have one day had to answer for that silence.

Its really that simple."[/b]
[/QUOTE]Now, when will other high profile Repubs who have either publically refused to endorse Trump or remained silent about it complete the circle and openly endorse Harris?

Especially those who claim to be people of faith; MittWitt Romney, ranch brush-clearer GW Bush, Pious Mike Pence, etc?

Heed Judge Luttig's warning; Remaining silent about it or suggesting you will write in "Mickey Mouse" will surely prevent you from entering the Kingdom of Heaven.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2938478]Your NYT report appears to support Lichtman's contention regarding over votes and a Gore win even if they had ignored the earlier ballot / vote rejections and only gone with the hanging and dimpled Chad examination, but carried out in a more state-wide fashion rather than the more limited precinct examinations Gore went with due to time restraints:

The minority dissenting opinion expressed by Thernstrom and Redenbaugh, much of which relies on Lott's article on spoiled (non voted) ballot rates, is too twisted and convoluted for me to read all of it, particularly considering it is in fact the minority opinion that was overwhelmed and substantiated by the majority in that hearing anyway.

However, as I scanned it I was struck by the effort they put into promoting the idea that one can not necessarily conclude that the high percentage of ballots / votes that were rejeced for over votes (as opposed to non votes) in highly segregated African American precincts in Florida were originally cast by African Americans. Like, you know, maybe most of the rejected ones were cast by the scant few White, Asian or Hispanic residents in those precincts. After all, once cast the identity of the voter is not known.

Uh. Ok. LOL.

And most of those African American precincts, predominantly Dem and definitely not Repub, had Dems for election supervisors? No kidding? Of course, if Repub State Legislators say toss out the over votes, that is what those law-abiding Dems are going to do.

Doesn't change the fact concluded by the majority in that Lichtman hearing and the consortium reported on by the NYT that more Floridians voted for and intended to vote for Al Gore rather than GW Bush in the 2000 election.[/QUOTE]Please correct me if I you believe I'm wrong, but you, Spidy and Lichtman maintain that Bush stole the election. When he did no such thing. From the NYT arcticle.

"A comprehensive review of the uncounted Florida ballots from last year's presidential election reveals that George W. Bush would have won even if the United States Supreme Court had allowed the statewide manual recount of the votes that the Florida Supreme Court had ordered to go forward.

Contrary to what many partisans of former Vice President Al Gore have charged, the United States Supreme Court did not award an election to Mr. Bush that otherwise would have been won by Mr. Gore. A close examination of the ballots found that Mr. Bush would have retained a slender margin over Mr. Gore if the Florida court's order to recount more than 43,000 ballots had not been reversed by the United States Supreme Court.

Even under the strategy that Mr. Gore pursued at the beginning of the Florida standoff -- filing suit to force hand recounts in four predominantly Democratic counties -- Mr. Bush would have kept his lead, according to the ballot review conducted for a consortium of news organizations. ".

Please note that the NYT says a recount of all the suspect ballots MIGHT have resulted in a Gore victory. And furthermore, [B]There was no set of circumstances in the fevered days after the election that would have produced a hand recount of all 175,000 overvotes and undervotes.[/B]. "

If the Florida election had played out as directed by the Democrat-controlled Florida Supreme Court, Gore would have lost.

This is the way our system works. I don't believe your argument here that Bush stole Florida makes any more sense than Team Trump's argument that Democrats stole Pennsylvania because of the way mail in votes were treated there.

As to Lichtman, I did listen to your Youtube link, twice. First, I suspect based on what he said that he was shamed by John Lott into using precinct level analysis instead of the misleading county level analysis he used earlier. Lichtman originally claimed that blacks were 9 X as likely to spoil ballots as non-blacks. Now he says the difference was half that, presumably in my mind because he was forced to use precinct level analysis. I don't believe his claim that 95% of blacks voted for Gore.

He says that one out of every 9 to 10 ballots cast by blacks was spoiled. Incredibly, he then goes on to say that most of those spoiled votes were overvotes, where the voter picked Gore and also wrote in "Gore. " So apparently he expects people to believe that, say, one out of every eleven or twelve votes cast by blacks were over votes, where "Gore" was written in on the ballot. He says tens of thousands of votes were marked by blacks that way. Presumably only black, Gore voters made this mistake. Whites, blacks and Hispanics voting for Bush didn't write in "Bush" too.

Lichtman is definitely biased based on what he says about George Will in the segment. Admittedly so is John Lott.

Finally, Lichtman has a record to protect, that he forecasted 9 elections correctly and the 10th was stolen. His fame, pride, and to some extent income follow from that record. Anybody with half a brain should realize that picking a winner for Bush / Gore or Trump / Hillary Clinton was blind luck. Bush / Gore could have gone either way. And Trump / Clinton was a once in 200 year electoral college fluke. Trump won fair and square, but based on the popular vote he shouldn't have. Anyway, the reason Lichtman is bringing this up 24 years later is because he's trying to make people believe he's some kind of infallible forecaster. If he wasn't right about Bush/Gore, then, by damn, Bush must have stolen the election.

SubCmdr and CheckMate1 may disagree about electronic voting, but I believe they've got the right idea. You come up with simple rules and respect them. That's fair, and builds confidence in our electoral system.

You really should repent and see the light on this one Tooms. If you don't, you've given up the high ground to Donald Trump and others who claim the 2020 election was stolen. Maybe that's not to best way to put it though. Better to say you will have climbed down into the same pit.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2938407]
Consequently, it is extremely doubtful there would have been a 9/11 Attack at all then or another time during an Al Gore presidency. Therefore, no invasion of Iraq and no war in Afghanistan.

Oh, and no 2008 GW Bush Financial Crisis near total collapse of Capitalism and the American Economy for Obama-Biden to rescue and recover us from either.

That 2000 stolen election by Jeb and his fellow Repubs had massive and disastrous domino-effect repercussions.[/QUOTE]

If you'd said, "If Al Gore, Dennis Hastert (R) and Bill Frist (R) had continued the enlightened leadership established by Bill Clinton, Newt Gingrich (R) and Trent Lott (R), and if Gore hadn't invaded Iraq, the USA would be a better place," I'd agree with you. And I believe that might have happened. The idea that Gore would have somehow prevented 9/11 and the 2008 meltdown is a pipedream though.

And why are you blaming Jeb Bush for stealing the election, when it was Democratic officials (and one individual who had no party affiliation) who were in charge of counting the ballots in the 25 Florida counties with the highest spoilage rates?

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2938637]Please correct me if I you believe I'm wrong, but you, Spidy and Lichtman maintain that Bush stole the election. When he did no such thing. From the NYT arcticle.

"A comprehensive review of the uncounted Florida ballots from last year's presidential election reveals that George W. Bush would have won even if the United States Supreme Court had allowed the statewide manual recount of the votes that the Florida Supreme Court had ordered to go forward.

Contrary to what many partisans of former Vice President Al Gore have charged, the United States Supreme Court did not award an election to Mr. Bush that otherwise would have been won by Mr. Gore. A close examination of the ballots found that Mr. Bush would have retained a slender margin over Mr. Gore if the Florida court's order to recount more than 43,000 ballots had not been reversed by the United States Supreme Court.

Even under the strategy that Mr. Gore pursued at the beginning of the Florida standoff -- filing suit to force hand recounts in four predominantly Democratic counties -- Mr. Bush would have kept his lead, according to the ballot review conducted for a consortium of news organizations. ".

Please note that the NYT says a recount of all the suspect ballots MIGHT have resulted in a Gore victory. And furthermore, [B]There was no set of circumstances in the fevered days after the election that would have produced a hand recount of all 175,000 overvotes and undervotes.[/B]. "

If the Florida election had played out as directed by the Democrat-controlled Florida Supreme Court, Gore would have lost.

This is the way our system works. I don't believe your argument here that Bush stole Florida makes any more sense than Team Trump's argument that Democrats stole Pennsylvania because of the way mail in votes were treated there.

As to Lichtman, I did listen to your Youtube link, twice. First, I suspect based on what he said that he was shamed by John Lott into using precinct level analysis instead of the misleading county level analysis he used earlier. Lichtman originally claimed that blacks were 9 X as likely to spoil ballots as non-blacks. Now he says the difference was half that, presumably in my mind because he was forced to use precinct level analysis. I don't believe his claim that 95% of blacks voted for Gore.

He says that one out of every 9 to 10 ballots cast by blacks was spoiled. Incredibly, he then goes on to say that most of those spoiled votes were overvotes, where the voter picked Gore and also wrote in "Gore. " So apparently he expects people to believe that, say, one out of every eleven or twelve votes cast by blacks were over votes, where "Gore" was written in on the ballot. He says tens of thousands of votes were marked by blacks that way. Presumably only black, Gore voters made this mistake. Whites, blacks and Hispanics voting for Bush didn't write in "Bush" too.

Lichtman is definitely biased based on what he says about George Will in the segment. Admittedly so is John Lott.

Finally, Lichtman has a record to protect, that he forecasted 9 elections correctly and the 10th was stolen. His fame, pride, and to some extent income follow from that record. Anybody with half a brain should realize that picking a winner for Bush / Gore or Trump / Hillary Clinton was blind luck. Bush / Gore could have gone either way. And Trump / Clinton was a once in 200 year electoral college fluke. Trump won fair and square, but based on the popular vote he shouldn't have. Anyway, the reason Lichtman is bringing this up 24 years later is because he's trying to make people believe he's some kind of infallible forecaster. If he wasn't right about Bush/Gore, then, by damn, Bush must have stolen the election.

SubCmdr and CheckMate1 may disagree about electronic voting, but I believe they've got the right idea. You come up with simple rules and respect them. That's fair, and builds confidence in our electoral system.

You really should repent and see the light on this one Tooms. If you don't, you've given up the high ground to Donald Trump and others who claim the 2020 election was stolen. Maybe that's not to best way to put it though. Better to say you will have climbed down into the same pit.



If you'd said, "If Al Gore, Dennis Hastert (R) and Bill Frist (R) had continued the enlightened leadership established by Bill Clinton, Newt Gingrich (R) and Trent Lott (R), and if Gore hadn't invaded Iraq, the USA would be a better place," I'd agree with you. And I believe that might have happened. The idea that Gore would have somehow prevented 9/11 and the 2008 meltdown is a pipedream though.

And why are you blaming Jeb Bush for stealing the election, when it was Democratic officials (and one individual who had no party affiliation) who were in charge of counting the ballots in the 25 Florida counties with the highest spoilage rates?[/QUOTE]I'll go with the quotes I cited from that NYT report, the fully substantiated Majority Conclusion of that Civil Rights investigation and the clear intention of the American electorate as counted in their votes.

You need to be more concerned about saving 100% of your mortal soul in how you vote this year. Saint Peter will not allow Bothsider / Neithersiders to straddle half in and half out of those Pearly Gates when their day of reckoning comes as it will for all of us. He will count you as a Trump supporter.

[B]How the Inflation Reduction Act sparked a manufacturing and clean energy boom.
Aug. 20, 2024[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/20/inflation-reduction-act-sparked-a-manufacturing-clean-energy-boom.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]

[QUOTE]Tax credits under the Inflation Reduction Act have led to a boom in new manufacturing projects in the U.S.

GOP congressional districts and rural communities have benefited in particular.

The presidential election is creating uncertainty about the future of those projects, with some investors worried a Republican victory could weaken the IRA.

[B]The Inflation Reduction Act has sparked a manufacturing boom across the U.S., mobilizing tens of billions of dollars of investment, particularly in rural communities in need of economic development.[/b]

The future of those investments could hinge on the outcome of the U.S. presidential election. The prospect of a Republican victory has shaken the confidence of some investors who worry the IRA could be weakened or in a worst-case scenario repealed.

[B]Companies have announced $133 billion of investments in clean energy technology and electric vehicle manufacturing since President Joe Biden signed the IRA into law in August 2022,[/b] according to data from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and the Rhodium Group.

Actual manufacturing investment has totaled $89 billion, an increase of 305% compared to the two years prior to the IRA, according to MIT and Rhodium. Overall, the IRA has leveraged half a trillion dollars of investment across the manufacturing, energy and retail sectors, according to the data.

"It is having a transformative effect within the manufacturing sector, said Trevor Houser, a partner with the Rhodium Group. The amount of new manufacturing activity that were seeing right now is unprecedented in recent history, and is in large part due to new clean energy manufacturing facilities.

[B]Some 271 manufacturing projects for clean energy tech and electric vehicles have been announced since the IRA passed, which will create more than 100,000 jobs if they are all completed, according to the advocacy group E2, a partner of the National Resources Defense Council. The investments sparked by the IRA have been a boon for rural communities in particular, Houser said.[/b] [/QUOTE]Ah, memories, and BTW, are we better off now than we were 4 years ago, Part Infinity? LOL:

[B]We can reshore manufacturing jobs, but Trump hasnt done it.
Trade rebalancing, infrastructure, and climate investments could create 17 million good jobs and rebuild the American economy.
Aug. 10, 2020[/B]

[URL]https://www.epi.org/publication/reshoring-manufacturing-jobs/[/URL]

[QUOTE]While the Trump administration has claimed that the era of U.S. offshoring is over, the reality is that the United States has not begun to address the root causes of Americas growing trade deficits and the decline of American manufacturing. Decades of trade, currency, and tax policies that incentivized offshoring, [b]combined with an utter failure to invest adequately in infrastructure and good jobs at home, have contributed to growing inequality and an eroding middle class.

President Trumps erratic, ego-driven, and inconsistent trade policies have not achieved any measurable progress, despite the newly combative rhetoric. On top of that, COVID-19and the administrations mismanagement of the crisis has wiped out much of the last decades job gains in U.S. manufacturing.[/b][/QUOTE]You want more of the former or more of the latter? This is decision time. Vote accordingly.

[QUOTE=Tiny12;2936664]Stopping by just for this post I've wasted too much time in this thread so have sworn it off, but am stopping by to reply to Paulie's off-topic comments elsewhere. [/QUOTE]But lacked the intestinal fortitude to reply to my last several posts on the "Stupid Shit in Kyiv" thread where everything is on topic, where your highly repetitive "deep state" conspiracy theories, various false equivocations / whataboutisms related to past US wars and Kremlin propaganda have received rebuttals from me and others ad nauseum. The one where you said that Russia isn't trying to kill civilians, where you brown nose a guy who asserts that Alexi Navalny died of natural causes, where you express confidence that Putin would honor a peace accord, etc. Putin is a war criminal, coward at heart with zero honor, that's sore about the lose of the Soviet Empire. He started a war. Ukraine wants to fight back, and NATO has responded, Occam's Razor. You're welcome to go back to the Ukraine forum and respond to the many posts I made to you earlier this month that you skipped over. Do it point by point. That might help you make another go at swearing off this thread. You might even succeed this time, or at least divert your addiction. You never know.

So other than the post to me, how many more have followed since swearing off this thread? I counted four, some pretty lengthy. Sounds like you're really struggling, and you have my sympathy. Wink.

P.S.

Ike isn't my fav president, but I do think his economic achievements cut against the idea of Tooms, that Repubs always bring economic disasters, going back to Lincoln. That's the context, thus a little honesty occasionally will go a long way if you're interested in at least some pretense of credibility.

I seen a lot of technological development. I own a lab top computer, an iPad, iPad mini, iPhone, and a Fire 11 tablet. Please do not get the idea that I am a technophobe or some old man who can't keep keep up progress of technology. Here are my thoughts:

[U]Technology[/U]

Ever try to get a girls phone number when the battery of your cellular phone is dead. Better have a pen or pencil and some paper. LOL! Now there is nothing like scanning the QR code for the phone number exchange in social media. But, back up plans are important.

[U]Crypto currency[/U]

No my brother I believe in BTC and the others that a based on their basic formula. LTC, BCH. Everything else is basically unproven junk on which to speculate. The majority of crypto is a huge casino. Does not mean I don't play.

My belief in BTC, has noting to do with the ledger and everything to do with the fact that is of limit supply. It is digital gold. And the fact that it is permission less. I do not have to ask permission to send value to another person 24/07/365 as long as I have a internet connection. That is the power of crypto. Lastly, BTC and others like it are decentralized. China banned crypto mining. Miners picked up an walked. But mining did not completely stop. Because it is almost impossible for a government to stop it. If CBDC gets instituted not only can the government track your money, they can put restrictions on your money, they can take your money, they can put a expiration date on your money.

There are crypto currencies like ETH that have an unlimited supply just like fiat currency. If you want to really understand beyond just a superficial level read the book titled [I]The Bitcoin Standard[/I]. Part of the reason this election is so important to me is because democrats are hostile to crypto currency because they realize the power that it takes from the government and gives back to the individual. [B]Unfortunately the republican populace is so DUMB as to run an incompetent pair of racist assholes for the highest office in the land[/B].

[U]Machines[/U]

Are black boxes that can be altered, hacked along with being prone to programming errors and backdoors. There is only one type of voting machine I would trust, and that is one with open source code. Currently I use a hardware wallet to store my crypto currency. It is driven by open source code. People way smarted than me can check the code (and do all the time). Prevents errors (more eyes on the code) and malicious actors from adding bad code into the system software. I prefer that over machines run by proprietary code where we have to trust a central authority to maintain our safety.

Humans.

I have a bias towards my fellow man. The US military has a policy. No killing machines. Every machine with the capability of killing a human request a human in the chain of the command that leads to the killing strike.

Democracy requests the same thing. We cannot let our machines decide who our leaders (representatives) are going to be.

Are a sports fan my friend? Can you tell me a sport where you would prefer that machines are the arbiters of the sport? I cannot. But I am biased. I have been a sports officiator. My favorite was baseball umpire. Balls and Strikes are judgment calls. There is a machine that checks up on the umpires not. But in the end it is still a human call. I personally believe that is the way it should be. Human competition decided by human spirt and officiated by humans.

Even video review involves humans taking a "[I]look at the video tape[/I]".

We agree on proper instructions. But I still think that votes should be marked by and hand counted. Election service should be like jury service a responsibility of citizenship. If a army of people is needed to count the votes then so be it. There is absolutely no reason that we need immediate results while allowing months before the new government actually takes over. That is some ancient bullshit to me. CEO's take over companies in a day. Change of command ceremonies happen in hours. There is a great scene in Band of Brothers where a office has to be replaced in the middle of an assault that got stalled.

Machines need to be given credit where credit is do. But in mindless reliances on technology is dangerous.

[QUOTE=CheckMate1;2938535]As everything in the world, technology advancement allows for more accuracy not less. Example, you believe in crytocurrency because the ledger is accurate from one transfer to the next, and so on are recorded, and that over printing of money is a human decision. As fiat money can not be accounted for once it is printed and in the hands of the user, crypto can be trace through its lifetime. Machines have parameter that they don't disregard and codes can be audited. I believe most of the errors are human, not machine. Machines only need to be adjusted once at the test levels to prevent machine errors. Whereas human can continue to make the same mistake over and over again.

I will agree with you that proper instructions are needed, but I like machines over the what we have before.[/QUOTE]Finally, I want to say I really appreciated your reasoned response and the chance to reply in a equally reasonable fashion. I hope you can take something from my post and even if we agree to disagree then I hope we both had our thoughts patterns stimulated.

So David French, considered a Republican Conservative Liberal, couldn't have wrote a more truer, sensible and calming words, w / are to Republican Conservatives who truly want to "do the right thing" and save the Republican Party from Trump (and themselves).

[I]NYT, David French (OPINION), [b]"To save Conservatism from itself, I am voting for Harris..."[/b],Aug. 11, 2024 [/I]

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/11/opinion/harris-trump-conservatives-abortion.html[/URL]
[LIST][i]David French: "I believe life begins at conception...I want prospective parents to be able to use I.V.F. to build their families, I do not believe that unused embryos should simply be discarded thrown away as no longer useful."

[b]"But I'm going to [u]vote for Kamala Harris[/u] in 2024[/b] and ironically enough [b]I'm doing it in part to try to save conservatism."[/b]

Here's what I mean.

"Since the day Donald Trump came down that escalator in 2015, the MAGA movement has been engaged in a long-running, slow-rolling ideological and characterological transformation of the Republican Party. At each step, it has pushed Republicans further and further away from Reaganite conservatism...

"It has divorced Republican voters from any major consideration of character in leadership and all the while it has labeled people who resisted the change as traitors..."

"[b]Its not just Trumps [u]lies[/u] that are contagious, but his [u]cruelty[/u] as well,[/b] and that cruelty is embedding itself deeply within one of Trumps most loyal constituencies, conservative evangelicals. It is difficult to overstate the viciousness and intolerance of MAGA Christians against their political foes. There are many churches and Christian leaders who are now more culturally Trumpian than culturally Christian. Trump is changing the church..."[/i][/LIST]French, used to consider himself, the ugly, dreaded [B]"Republican Partisan"[/B] and according to him, [i]"...it altered the way I saw the world".[/i] I can only imagine some Repubs here are living a similar nightmare. (...kkkk!)

French goes on to basically say, that he's so disgusted with Trump and his enablers, for letting conservatism lose its way, and he feels voting for Harris, is the way to save it, ...from itself.

Bravo!!! I for one applaud, and do enjoy listening to a good common sense Repub voter (rare as they are) with a spine and backbone, that stands up to the cult of MAGA and wants to bring normalcy back to Conservatism and a Republican Party, lost in the cult of Trump.

David French, long time "Republican Partisan", reborn again Conservative and [b]now voting for the Harris/Walz...Bravo![/b]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2938759]How the Inflation Reduction Act sparked a manufacturing and clean energy boom.
Ah, memories, and BTW, are we better off now than we were 4 years ago.[/QUOTE]You mean 5 years ago before Fauci's illegal experiment in China blew up and he became super paranoid and parlayed a virus with a 0. 2% mortality into the plague. Oh yeah, that was Trump's fault for not keeping the "science" team in China to cure the mess "science" created. This is Loony Tooms rewriting history at best.

I said Kamala's support was an inch deep. She played the game well in the beginning. She showed up on Tik Tok and on youtube looking all fresh and shiny with a soothing, intelligent tone. Guys might even be doing high 5's and bragging they would date her. Of course, the new and different moniker was gong to come down because well, she is the fucking VP. Hell, she is in power right now.

And then the drinking rumors swirled up, and it appears Kamala loves her gin. Some estimated she was drunk over half the time she was in office. That was one I put in the memory banks and then I saw this photo. Not only does she look old. She looks like an old drunk.

Her economic plan was right out of the old USSR. In fact, it was nothing new. It was all taking your tax money and giving it to someone else. Or printing money and devaluing what you had. Yes, let us all pay directly with taxes or indirectly with inflation so Kamala can look good.

So the pretty young thing looks like a old witchy drunk and now you look into her beliefs and even Democrats are going to be scared away as she is way to the left of even them. You can see why Kamala is going down with two photos.

Of course, mixed in with the facts are the feelings. I have to admit that to having those upbeat feelings and buying into the new and different almost child like feeling of the shiny new Kamala. She was the new and improved irrationally pleasing happy meal. But once you taste reality, it is the same crap in new packaging and once the people sense that, it is down goes Kamala.

It was these two photos and new and improved became the same old, same old.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2938860]
French goes on to basically say, that he's so disgusted with Trump and his enablers, for letting conservatism lose its way, and he feels voting for Harris, is the way to save it.

Bravo!!! I for one applaud, and do enjoy listening to a good common sense Repub voter with a spine and backbone, that stands up to the cult of MAGA and wants to bring normalcy back to Conservatism and a Republican Party, lost in the cult of Trump.

David French, long time "Republican Partisan", reborn again Conservative and now voting for the Harris/Walz.[/QUOTE]You mean this David French?

[URL]https://www.wral.com/story/david-french-one-party-has-a-serious-foreign-policy-the-other-has-a-tantrum/21410442/[/URL]

Headline: One party has a serious foreign policy. The other has a tantrum.

Or this one.

The Trump presidency was a catastrophe for American Christianity.

[URL]https://www.vox.com/22188646/trump-evangelical-christianity-david-french[/URL]

In that article, there is this, We don't need to go into all of the details, but this is a man who evaded military service, who has serially cheated on wives, who is terribly out of shape, is so cowardly in a lot of his personal interactions, that he delegates to others the task of firing people. There's so much that if you were going to map out who is the archetype of the masculine leader prior to Trump, he would be the opposite of that.

No, but what's happening is a lot of Republican Christians are getting catechized in politics through conservative media, through Fox News, through talk radio. As I've told a lot of people, if you had the information inflow that a lot of my neighbors have, French lives in Tennessee, you'the be MAGA also. A lot of it is just a product of information that makes it not that hard to support Trump, if that's your information flow.

End of link. That is all well and good until you saw that two fox news anchors and Trump had it out. In fact, I have not talked to one Republican who has not bristled at how Trump speaks and how they liked his polices but not his personality. IOW, this guy French does not even get why people vote for Trump. It is the same old NYT shit, MAGA people are stupid. Yawn.

Bill Maher got to the MAGA core when he said he talked to Republicans who admitted not being fond of Trump but that Trump was all that stood in the way of leftist insanity. I was all for liberals pushing for racial and sexual equality and then women won the war of the sexes. Who said that?

Bill Maher did 13 years ago in what IMO was his best video, [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r11Vl0zrrcM[/URL].

If women won the war of the sexes, and they did. What next? Well, there was GW Bush a guy who could project feelings and then Trump who was as anti-PC as they came and why? Because DEI is about sexism towards men and racism towards white men. Because LGBTQ is not about sexual equality. It is about demonizing heterosexuals. Hell, 30% of young children in California are LGBTQ. I know from my own life about suppressed homosexuality and trans, but 30%? Get the fuck out of here! I do not need Fox News to tell me that is bullshit.

It is not even MAGA as much as MASA. Make America sane again.

Hell, I watch Kaitlyn Clark and marvel at her supernatural basketball passing and shooting. Ratings hit all time highs with her because she was fun to watch. She had the IT factor.

On the flip side, I watch the Algerian Olympic boxer, and it is disgusting, a guy beating up women. Where is the sport in that? But I needed Fox News to tell me that? Give me a fucking break. All I needed was to watch a bit of the match and to see the guy's photo. If you say I am sexist over that, then YOU have the problem.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2938759][B]How the Inflation Reduction Act sparked a manufacturing and clean energy boom.
Aug. 20, 2024[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/20/inflation-reduction-act-sparked-a-manufacturing-clean-energy-boom.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]

Ah, memories, and BTW, are we better off now than we were 4 years ago, Part Infinity? LOL:

[B]We can reshore manufacturing jobs, but Trump hasnt done it.
Trade rebalancing, infrastructure, and climate investments could create 17 million good jobs and rebuild the American economy.
Aug. 10, 2020[/B]

[URL]https://www.epi.org/publication/reshoring-manufacturing-jobs/[/URL]

You want more of the former or more of the latter? This is decision time. Vote accordingly.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/08/20/leftist-speaker-trump-may-win-the-white-house-because-kamala-and-joe-sold-out-the-working-class/[/URL]

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2938905][URL]https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/08/20/leftist-speaker-trump-may-win-the-white-house-because-kamala-and-joe-sold-out-the-working-class/[/URL][/QUOTE]Your lord and savior laughs at you and Elvis and considers you "basement dwellers. " So I was just wondering if you'd heard what he thinks of Jill Stein supporters, as quoted in your link. In Trump's mind, are they just above you and Elvis or well below you and Elvis in the basement?

[B]Ex-Trump press secretary Stephanie Grisham says he mocked his supporters as 'basement dwellers'.
Grisham disavowed her former boss in a speech at the Democratic convention, where she endorsed Harris. "I love my country more than my party," she said.[/B]

[URL]https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/former-trump-press-secretary-stephanie-grisham-endorses-harris-convent-rcna167476[/URL]

[QUOTE]Trump White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham disavowed her former boss Tuesday evening and voiced support for Kamala Harris for president in remarks at the Democratic National Convention in Chicago.

In her brief speech, Grisham said that she used to be not just a Trump supporter but also a "true believer" who became part of Trump's family and spent major holidays with him.

"I saw him when the cameras were off, behind closed doors. [B]Trump mocks his supporters. He calls them basement dwellers,"[/b] she said.

[B]Grisham shared a few anecdotes about her experience working with Trump, including a story about a hospital visit he made during the Covid pandemic and she said people were dying in the intensive care unit.

"He was mad that the cameras were not watching him. He has no empathy, no morals and no fidelity to the truth," she said. "He used to tell me, 'It doesn't matter what you say, Stephanie say it enough and people will believe you.' But it does matter what you say matters, and what you don't say matters."[/b]

Representatives for Trump's campaign did not immediately reply to a request for comment.

Grisham said that on Jan. 6, 2021, she asked first lady Melania Trump whether they could tweet out that [b]while peaceful protest is the right of every American, "there's no place for lawlessness or violence."

"She replied with one word: 'No,'" she said. "I became the first senior staffer to resign that day. I couldn't be part of the insanity any longer."[/b]

Grisham said she was criticized when she was press secretary because she never held a White House briefing in that role.

[B]"It's because, unlike my boss, I never wanted to stand at that podium and lie,"[/b] she said. "Now here I am behind a podium advocating for a Democrat, and that's because I love my country more than my party. Kamala Harris tells the truth. She respects the American people, and she has my vote."

Grisham was Trumps White House communications director and press secretary from July 2019 to April 2020 and went on to be Melania Trumps press secretary and chief of staff.

In an interview on MSNBC after her remarks, Grisham said that if she can reach any undecided voters, she wants to convey that she understands what it's like to believe in Trump. But she praised Democrats for pushing a message of unity and said that people may not agree on policies but that it's important to "talk to each other like humans again."

She said that the Harris campaign has been "brilliant" at communicating that people's freedoms are being taken away that it's not just abortion rights, but also access to birth control.

"I really believe, a lot of people especially Republican women are going to vote for Kamala but maybe not tell their husbands," said Grisham, who called Trump and his running mate, Sen. JD Vance, of Ohio, "short sightedness" and "misogynistic."

Soon after Jan. 6, Grisham distanced herself from Trump world, and she eventually cooperated with the House committee that investigated the insurrection. In October 2021, she said on NBC News' "Meet the Press" that she tried to resign from the White House "a couple of times" but that Melania Trump persuaded her to stay.

In fact, I had a resignation letter written out with some very specific points in it that I was ready to hand over at any moment, she said. Jan. 6, of course, was my breaking point. [B]And I was really proud that I was, well, the first in the administration to resign.[/b][/QUOTE]

Man, this is a classic Non Denial "Denial" if ever there was one.

What happened to the word "no"?

Aren't these Target dudes the same ones who got busted for blaming a pro Repub Mainstream Media-hyped "organized retail crime wave" on the closures of some of their most dreadfully mismanaged stores? LOL.

[B]Target CEO addresses 'price gouging' accusations in retail.[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/21/target-ceo-brian-cornell-weighs-in-on-price-gouging.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]

[QUOTE]Target CEO Brian Cornell said theres no room for price gouging in the competitive retail landscape.

Cornell was asked whether the tactic boosted Targets profits, after Democratic presidential nominee Kamala Harris outlined a plan to stop price gouging.

He spoke to CNBC after Target beat quarterly earnings expectations.[/QUOTE]In a follow-up statement, he added "blah blah blahbidy blah blah. ".

From someone who knows:

[B]The UAW president says Kamala Harris is a fighter for the working class.
And he called Trump a 'scab.'
Aug. 19, 2024[/B]

[URL]https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2024/08/19/dnc-live-updates-coverage/uaw-president-speaks-00174857[/URL]

[QUOTE]The president of the United Auto Workers had one big question for the crowd while delivering a fiery speech at the Democratic convention Monday night.

Which side are you on? UAW President Shawn Fain asked.

He became nationally known for his leadership of strikes at the Big Three automakers last year, [b]which also drew Joe Biden to the picket line making him the first sitting president to join striking workers. As a senator, Harris had also joined a UAW picket line.[/b]

[B]Fain said on one side, the Republican ticket nominees are lap dogs for the billionaire class who only serve themselves. While on the other, Fain touted Harris who the UAW has endorsed as a defender for the working class.

She is a a fighter for the working class, and Donald Trump is a scab,[/b] Fain said as a chant of Trumps a scab broke out in the convention center.[/QUOTE]View the full great 10 minute speech here:

[URL]https://youtu.be/HZ4W9_TMi_c?si=0aEeDRKRdcii7xfy[/URL]

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2938905][URL]https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/08/20/leftist-speaker-trump-may-win-the-white-house-because-kamala-and-joe-sold-out-the-working-class/[/URL][/QUOTE]When you rack up a trillion in debt every few months, you can add 2 million government jobs at $50,000 per year. The latest Biden / Harris juking the stats was a downward version of nearly a million jobs 818,000 jobs to be exact. Who but government can misplace a million jobs BTW? [URL]https://mishtalk.com/economics/bls-revises-jobs-down-by-818000-the-most-ever-about-68000-per-month/[/URL].

Racking up the credit card to give people jobs is not economic progress. Spidy seems to have forgotten the market was down in 2022 and 2023 and this year have seen the stock market go ever higher, but that has been on the price part of the PE ration not earnings. And are earnings going higher due to companies doing better or is it just due to companies having higher earnings and sales number due to inflation?

Thing is you get to a point where the bond market punishes the government to the point that it cannot keep spending like a drunken sailor. That is happening and if you compare this market to 2000, if you recall, there was talk of us not having any debt. Those were the days. We are racking up more debt in a year or two than we had total debt in 2000.

Of course, in those days, we just talked of cutting government spending and raising taxes. If you asked the American people if they had to pay more taxes to get a 2000 style economy, I bet they would but not now not with this much government gluttony.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2938872]You mean this David French?

[URL]https://www.wral.com/story/david-french-one-party-has-a-serious-foreign-policy-the-other-has-a-tantrum/21410442/[/URL]

Headline: One party has a serious foreign policy. The other has a tantrum.

Or this one.

The Trump presidency was a catastrophe for American Christianity.

[URL]https://www.vox.com/22188646/trump-evangelical-christianity-david-french[/URL]

In that article, there is this, We don't need to go into all of the details, but this is a man who evaded military service, who has serially cheated on wives, who is terribly out of shape, is so cowardly in a lot of his personal interactions, that he delegates to others the task of firing people. There's so much that if you were going to map out who is the archetype of the masculine leader prior to Trump, he would be the opposite of that.

No, but what's happening is a lot of Republican Christians are getting catechized in politics through conservative media, through Fox News, through talk radio. As I've told a lot of people, if you had the information inflow that a lot of my neighbors have, French lives in Tennessee, you'the be MAGA also. A lot of it is just a product of information that makes it not that hard to support Trump, if that's your information flow.

End of link. That is all well and good until you saw that two fox news anchors and Trump had it out. In fact, I have not talked to one Republican who has not bristled at how Trump speaks and how they liked his polices but not his personality. IOW, this guy French does not even get why people vote for Trump. It is the same old NYT shit, MAGA people are stupid. Yawn.

Bill Maher got to the MAGA core when he said he talked to Republicans who admitted not being fond of Trump but that Trump was all that stood in the way of leftist insanity. I was all for liberals pushing for racial and sexual equality and then women won the war of the sexes. Who said that?

Bill Maher did 13 years ago in what IMO was his best video, [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r11Vl0zrrcM[/URL].

If women won the war of the sexes, and they did. What next? Well, there was GW Bush a guy who could project feelings and then Trump who was as anti-PC as they came and why? Because DEI is about sexism towards men and racism towards white men. Because LGBTQ is not about sexual equality. It is about demonizing heterosexuals. Hell, 30% of young children in California are LGBTQ. I know from my own life about suppressed homosexuality and trans, but 30%? Get the fuck out of here! I do not need Fox News to tell me that is bullshit.

It is not even MAGA as much as MASA. Make America sane again.

Hell, I watch Kaitlyn Clark and marvel at her supernatural basketball passing and shooting. Ratings hit all time highs with her because she was fun to watch. She had the IT factor.

On the flip side, I watch the Algerian Olympic boxer, and it is disgusting, a guy beating up women. Where is the sport in that? But I needed Fox News to tell me that? Give me a fucking break. All I needed was to watch a bit of the match and to see the guy's photo. If you say I am sexist over that, then YOU have the problem.[/QUOTE]The Democrats hate Democracy.

They are lapdogs for the Oligarchy.

[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/2024-election/2024/08/21/newt-gingrich-democratic-party-controlled-by-power-brokers/[/URL]

And David French is most certainly a woman with a beard.

[QUOTE=Elvis 2008;2938872]You mean this David French?

[URL]https://www.wral.com/story/david-french-one-party-has-a-serious-foreign-policy-the-other-has-a-tantrum/21410442/[/URL]
Headline: One party has a serious foreign policy. The other has a tantrum.

Or this one.

The Trump presidency was a catastrophe for American Christianity.
[URL]https://www.vox.com/22188646/trump-evangelical-christianity-david-french[/URL]
...

Bill Maher got to the MAGA core when he said he talked to Republicans who admitted not being fond of Trump but that Trump was all that stood in the way of leftist insanity...Because DEI is about sexism towards men and racism towards white men. Because LGBTQ is not about sexual equality. ... [/QUOTE]

YES, this is the same David French. As both your articles/links, mirrors what I previously posted, about him bemoaning the decline, the degeneration and the decay among Republicans, Conservatism and Christianity in America. Largely in part all attributed the cult of MAGA and Trump.

Keep in mind, Trump is the same guy that ditch service through a fake heel spurs on his foot. So the point your making is Repubs are cowardly military draft dodgers, who then turn around and make fun of those Americans that have sacrificed and served?

French's conclusions about "voting for Harris", while trying to save Conservatism from itself and Bill Maher's CURRENT views on who is the better candidate for the presidency, the White House and to governing America for is spot on, in the belief that Veep Harris is better for the country and as it so happens Conservatism.

Point being, good COMMON SENSE people, despite their religious, socio-economic or political differences, can change their views, when their beloved affiliations, organizations or country are clearly facing an existential crisis, in Trump.

[b][u]As for the culture wars" part of your post:[/u][/b]

With regards to the "wars", those of you on the extreme right of insanity, like to dream up every day, here's what I'll say about that extreme nonsense, [b]that rails against true equality.[/b]

That, from the "war of the sexes", the "war on the LGBTQ community", the "war on DEI", the "war on white men", the "war on purple dinosaurs (my fav.)" and all the other culture wars, those on the extreme right, love to beat their chests over everyday...[u]I'd thought it was pretty obvious, that by now:[/u]
[LIST]We (mostly) in America, settle or differences at the BALLOT-BOX:

1. in a "civilized" country (at least today), such as we have in the USA, many of your nonsensical extreme right "culture wars" and the major issues, that the MAJORITY of Americans want to resolve, are hard fought, and either won or lost at the BALLOT-BOX.

2. your minority "culture war" issues, are a great example of why we need to do away with the Electoral College and a disproportional Senate, IF IT IS TRUE EQUALITY, that you're arguing for.

It's 2024 and America is still being held hostage by MINORITY rule at the BALLOT-BOX.

3. if you're not winning things like the [b]"purple dinosaur"[/b] culture wars at the BALLOT-BOX, may I suggest changing your messaging to something Americans ACTUALLY care about?[/LIST]Look, even when the system is organized, rigged, gerrymandered, voter suppressed to favor such MINORITY views and [b]you still can't win[/b] (ie. Trump lost to Biden by 7+ million votes) on your nonsensical "culture war" issues, that should tell you everything you need to know.

This should be great news for anyone craving lower gas prices and a reduction in the Fed Funds Rate / Interest Rates!

No, it doesn't increase the chances of a Recession; Quarterly GDP Growth during this period has not been revised downward yet. No, it doesn't change the overall historic jobs creation record for Biden-Harris. No, it does not change the upward jobs creation since March of this year. And, no, it does not predict a change in the usual pattern of upwardly revised jobs reports immediately following similar downward revisions.

[B]Jobs growth gets its biggest downward revision since 2009. Why this time is different.[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/21/us-job-growth-revised-down-by-the-most-since-2009-why-this-time-is-different.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]

But it does demonstrate that the Fed's concerted effort to articially induce a slow-down in the roaring economy Jobs Creation of Bidenomics, as wished for.

It further demonstrates that the dollar amounts of Biden's post-Trump's Pandemic Recovery Legislation were as close to the dime as humanly possible of being exactly what was necessary to produce the Best Recovery from Trump's Pandemic on the Planet while also averting a Great Repub Global or Domestic Depression, Great Repub Global or Domestic Recession and a Hard Crash Landing.

And it predicates the wished for reduction in the Fed Funds Rate and oil and gas prices, which today is only 49 cents more for a gallon for regular gas than it hit in 2019:

[B]Fed minutes point to likely rate cut coming in September.[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/21/fed-minutes-july-2024.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]

[B]U.S. crude oil falls below $72 per barrel as jobs growth revised lower.[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/21/oil-prices-down-on-swelling-us-crude-stocks-easing-middle-east-tensions.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]

In Bill Clinton's terrific speech at the Democratic National Convention tonight he reminded the world of a remarkable economic fact regarding jobs creation under Dem presidents' policies and stewardship vs jobs created under Repub presidents' policies and stewardship.

[B]Of the 51 Million jobs created since the end of the Cold War in 1989, here is the scorecard:

Dem presidents = 50 Million.

Repub presidents = 1 Million.[/B]

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/live/tSzM0lZoAFs?si=oVUIYwH_idTmtRu3[/URL]

I see some Factcheckers quibbling over the total number, some say it was 49 Million to 1. 5 Million and stuff like that. And, naturally, pro Repub Mainstream Media are rushing in to provide one lame excuse after another for their beloved Repub presidents' crap jobs creation results. We all know the drill: poor Repub GW Bush was "unlucky" enough to have been in office when his Repub / GW Bush Financial Crisis hit at the end of his presidency and poor Repub Donald Trump was "unlucky" enough to lay the foundation for, embrace, create, exacerbate and lie the world into Trump's Pandemic and all that crap.

And, if you only go back to the last couple of Repubs, I might, uh, might be able to excuse the ill-informed for being conned by MSM into believing maybe it was just a couple of back-to-back "unlucky" Repub presidents.

But nope. LOL.

The great President Bill Clinton inspired me to finally get around to checking out something I have been meaning to check for a while.

It turns out the number of USA jobs that have been created over the past 100 years, since 1925, give or take 1-2 Million, is roughly 137,000,000.

[URL]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobs_created_during_U.S._presidential_terms[/URL]

[B]Here is the 100 year scorecard:

Dem presidents = 100,000,000.

Repub presidents = 37,000,000.[/B]

Those are the parameters and numbers the world should be made aware of as much or more than Clinton's "since 1989" economic fact.

Mind you, other than FDR taking over just as Coolidge / Hoover's Great Repub Depression was crashing down around our ears, factoring in WWII and Barack Obama taking over just as GW Bush's Great Repub Recession was crashing down around our ears, all of the top 5 Government Debt creators of the past 100 years were among those lousy Repub jobs creating Repubs as well. (Wilson had WWI to deal with. But that was more than 100 years ago).

So it's not like we got lousy jobs creation out of Repubs but at least they didn't add the most government debt! No, we got the worst of BOTH economic worlds from them!

[URL]https://www.investopedia.com/us-debt-by-president-dollar-and-percentage-7371225[/URL]

Also, there were the same number of different Repub presidents as Dem presidents since 1925.

And I know how MSM would respond to it:

"Oh, the poor Repub was unlucky enough to be in office when the Great Repub Depression just happened out of nowhere. ".

"Oh, the poor Repub was unlucky enough to be in office when a series of 3 Recessions hit on his watch out of nowhere. ".

"Oh, the poor Repub was unlucky enough to be in office when the Nixon / Ford Recessions hit out of nowhere. ".

"Oh, the poor Repub was unlucky enough to be in office when his Great Reagan / Repub Recession just happened to hit out of nowhere. ".

"Oh, the poor Repub was unlucky enough to be in office when his Financial Crisis just happened at the end of his presidency out nowhere. ".

"Oh, the poor Repub was just unlucky enough to be in office when he added $2. 5 Trillion to the deficit just to create 1 million fewer jobs with his economic "stimulus" legislation than without it and when his Trump's Pandemic just happened out of nowhere. ".

Seriously. At some point during that inarguable pattern of "Once in 100 Years" Repub Economic Disasters, the World can simply no longer believe in THAT much "bad luck" for one political Party any more than they can believe in the Tooth Fairy after age 6.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2939042]From someone who knows:

[B]The UAW president says Kamala Harris is a fighter for the working class.
And he called Trump a 'scab.'
Aug. 19, 2024[/B]

[URL]https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2024/08/19/dnc-live-updates-coverage/uaw-president-speaks-00174857[/URL]

View the full great 10 minute speech here:

[URL]https://youtu.be/HZ4W9_TMi_c?si=0aEeDRKRdcii7xfy[/URL][/QUOTE]

Indeed, it's been a pleasure to watch. And DAY #2 is sure to be even better with the Obama's.

[b]With a whooping 20 Million viewers,[/b] beating both Night #1's of the 2024 RNC and the 2020 DNC (during a lockdown with COVID), it was a masterful demonstration of a coalition and democratic union, united in a joyous fellowship of Dems and Repubs, to beat fascist Trump and Project 2025, in ROEvember.

IMHO, FWIW the outstanding and notable performances, were by:
[LIST]Rep.Jamie Raskin: [i]"...and defeat Donald Trump the career criminal and encourage-able, recidivist, con man and his pet chameleon JD Vance."[/i] He then goes on to say, [i]"...and America, let's make it a landslide, so big, that not even Trump and his Kangaroo court, Supreme Court Justices can try to steal it."[/i] {...crowd erupts}

Rep.Jasmin Crokett: The up and coming, Democrat superstar delivered an [i]"American dream" vs. "America's nightmare"[/i] speech, that was full of play on words and alliteration magic. Best line
in her speech was "...America who would you hire? One has a resume, while the other has a rap sheet!" {...crowd erupts}

Senator Raphael Warnock (GA): Brilliant sermon! Talking about the same "sacrifice" and "humble" upbringings, he has in common with the with the next president of the USA.[/LIST]But the most outstanding and best part of the night, IMHO was the almost 3-4 min. standing ovation for Joe Biden and his masterful speech and the joyful love, tearful goodbyes and farewells, to a Great President in Joe Biden, [b]who put the good of the country above his own ambition.[/b]

Joe Biden, will be remembered as exiting the office of the WH, with Love, Gratitude, Honor, Sacrifice and 50 years of an illustrious career of Service to the American people.

Thank You Joe, Thank You Joe, Thank You Joe!

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2939051]Spidy seems to have forgotten the market was down in 2022 and 2023.[/QUOTE]Of course, that isn't true. The S & P was up 26.29% in 2023. The Dow was up 13.70%. The NASDAQ was up 49.32%. So maybe you're talking about the market for used up Seeking hookers? Or the market for silver; that market reached its high oh 50 years ago with the Hunt brothers.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2939206]Of course, that isn't true. The S & P was up 26.29% in 2023. The Dow was up 13.70%. The NASDAQ was up 49.32%. So maybe you're talking about the market for used up Seeking hookers? Or the market for silver; that market reached its high oh 50 years ago with the Hunt brothers.[/QUOTE]The actual sentence was Spidy seems to have forgotten the market was down in 2022 and 2023 and this year have seen the stock market go ever higher, but that has been on the price part of the PE ration not earnings.

So why did you put a period after 2023? Because you are a walking inferiority complex. For someone with all your supposed degrees, you sure are petty. Maybe one of those boosters is affecting your brain. Are you on #20 now?

[QUOTE=Huacho;2939206]Of course, that isn't true. The S & P was up 26.29% in 2023. The Dow was up 13.70%. The NASDAQ was up 49.32%. So maybe you're talking about the market for used up Seeking hookers? Or the market for silver; that market reached its high oh 50 years ago with the Hunt brothers.[/QUOTE]December 31,2021 S&P 4775.21.

December 30,2022 S&P 3829.06 -946.15 or 19.8%.

December 30 2022 S&P 3829.06.

December 28,2023 S&P 4786.44 +957.38 or 25%.

I think this would be a more appropriate comparison.

Biden.

December 31,2020 S&P 3733.27.

August 21,2024 S&P 5603.09 +1870.82 or 50.1%.

Trump.

December 31,2016 S&P 2251.57.

December 31,2020 S&P 3733.27 +1481.70 or 65.8%.

Obama.

December 31,2008 S&P 890.59.

December 31,2016 S&P 2251.57 +1360.98 or 152.8%.

I personally don't put too much weight into stock market performance and presidential success because the market has gone up historically about 8% compounded annually for more than a hundred years, regardless of admininstration.

I like focusing on what was promised and what was delivered.

EX: The Wall.

"Before Trump's 2017 inauguration as president, the southern border had about 654 miles of primary barriers and 37 miles of secondary barriers, according to Customs and Border Protection information from an unpublished Jan. 22,2021, report provided to PolitiFact. By January 2021, there were 706 miles of primary barriers and 70 miles of secondary barriers. ".

[URL]https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2023/aug/09/donald-trump/how-many-miles-of-border-wall-did-donald-trump-bui/[/URL]

7. 95, call it 8% improvement.

4 years and 52 miles of primary barriers. This is a long distance for a person to walk or even drive, but for COUNTRY to build in 4 years, it is under delivering.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2939064]French's conclusions about "voting for Harris", while trying to save Conservatism from itself and Bill Maher's CURRENT views on who is the better candidate for the presidency, the White House and to governing America for is spot on, in the belief that Veep Harris is better for the country and as it so happens Conservatism.[/QUOTE]So Kamala Harris is the person to vote for who is a good conservative? I just had it out with Viliany when he called himself an economic conservative and yet he endorsed he $10 trillion Covid money printing operation. There is very little difference between borrow and spend Trump and borrow and spend Harris and Biden. Trump can negotiate better deals because he is not burdened by the legacy deals. Biden and Harris cannot cut anything.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2939064]Point being, good COMMON SENSE people, despite their religious, socio-economic or political differences, can change their views, when their beloved affiliations, organizations or country are clearly facing an existential crisis, in Trump.[/QUOTE]And this is why you are a follower Spidy. A week ago, you said no one really knows what Trump's positions are and now he is going to end the world as we know it. The reason this came up is the only reason you are voting for Harris is she has Democrat after her name. So now you know what Kamala Harris stands for? How? She has not given one interview or held one press conference about what she is going to do.

You are not using common sense. You are an authority humper repeating what the MSM tells you.

[QUOTE=Spidy;2939064]That, from the "war of the sexes", the "war on the LGBTQ community", the "war on DEI", the "war on white men", the "war on purple dinosaurs (my fav.)" and all the other culture wars, those on the extreme right, love to beat their chests over everyday...[u]I'd thought it was pretty obvious, that by now:[/u][/QUOTE]If you are 75% white on your birth certificate and your relatives owned slaves, what does it even mean when you call yourself black? How can there be a war on the sexes when you cannot even decide what a woman is? The fact is the party that used to be against prejudice and sexism is now prejudice and sexist against white men. Race based shaming is racism. Sex based shaming is sexism. In fact, for those of us with working brains, we know shame can be used to deflect from the faults of others. If you hire on race or sex versus competence, you are going to pay the price.

So the whole concept of white privilege does not affect me because I have around black men and women my whole life, but you have these white suburban housewives who are voting Democrat out of guilt. And they need to atone for freaking out when a person of color moved into their neighborhood or viewing blacks as subhumans to be feared. And the one thing that guilt ridden white suburban housewives and the minorities can agree on is that everything is the fault of the white man. Give me a fucking break!

With a stunning, 21 million viewers on Day #2 at the DNC, Dems delivered unwavering blow after unwavering blow against Trump and at times without even so much as calling his name. The Obama's delivered two of the all-time great speeches and some stay should even be studied.

IMHO, FWIW the outstanding and notable performances or zingers, were by:

[b]>[/b] DJ Cassidy Spins & Performance by Lil' Jon - The DNC Roll Call was truly spectacular, uplifting and joyous, as the individual pieces of music accompanying the 50 states on Roll Call was wonderfully tailored to suit the personalities of each states. (And even better knowing the music that Trump wanted to use, the musicians barred him from using. Even the Rappers, like 50 Cent, told Trump, NO THANKS!)

[b]>[/b] Stephanie Grisham - While not a great or really good speech, IMHO, it expounded upon Trump's delusion, that he thinks his [b][i]"Jedi mind trick"[/i][/b] is working.[LIST]Grisham says:[i]"He has no empathy, no morals and no fidelity to the Truth. He used to tell me, [b]'It doesn't matter what you say, Stephanie, say it enough and people will believe you.'[/b]"[/i]

I love this quote from her, because it dovetails nicely into the proof positive narrative, found in the recent posts here, w/r to the books and videos on "Ministry of Truth", which shows details his lack of respect for anyone (let alone his supporters) and poignantly reveals the [b][i]"House of Lies Trump Built".[/i][/b]

[i]{See EihTooms' post here, [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2467-American-Politics&p=2939033&viewfull=1#post2939033[/URL], for full coverage}[/i][/LIST][b]>[/b] Governor of Illinois, JB Pritzker: Had some good zingers. He repeated comments made by Democrats, calling Trump and other Republicans "weird" over their rhetoric and actions. This was probably the best zingers outside of Michelle Obama's speech.
[LIST]JB Pritzer said: [i]"Let's be clear, it's not 'woke' that limits economic growth, it's 'weird...'"[/i]

Pritzker, then took the sentiment further by delivering his next line with such zest and zeal, not it just shattered (IMHO) those who cry foul, by citing DEI instances when Black or brown-skinned Americans are [b][i]"derided as a DEI hire for the sin of being successful while not white."[/i][/b] ---Just Brilliant![/LIST][b]>[/b] Barack Obama - He was right, when he said, [i][b]I Am the Only Person Stupid Enough to Speak After Michelle Obama,[/b][/i] while his speech was great, I think Michelle's was just that much better.

[u]The Best Speech of the Night (must see video): Michelle Obama[/u]

[b]>[/b] Michelle Obama - Great Speech and one of the all-time best, IMHO (even better than her husband's). I won't be able to do it justice, so go watch it for yourselves. Many pundits say, that speech should be studied. She systematically dismantled Trump without ever having to say his name! Genius! Brilliant! Here: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z832P-efBaM[/URL]

Highlights of best of Michelle Obama's Speech:
[LIST] --Her use of the word [b][i]"sacrifice[/i][/b]", throughout parts of her speech was epic. Again something Trump knows very little about.
--Her ode and tribute to her mother's work ethic and teachings of don't just sit there "do something" were both tearfully moving and joyful.
--Her mother's WE gotta [b][i]"do something"[/i][/b] stories began a long chant and crowd ruckus of [i]"Do Something, Do Something...."[/i]
--Her quip about [b][i]"Hope is making a Comeback!"[/i][/b] got a big eruption and applause from the crowd.

BEST of the BEST:
--All while never saying his name: [i]"...[b]most of us will never afford the grace of failing forward or we will never benefit from [u]the affirmative action[/u] of generational wealth,[/b] if we bankrupt a business or choke in a business, we don't get a 2nd, 3rd or 4th chance. If things don't go our way, We don't have the luxury of whining, or cheating others, to get further ahead...NO! We don't get to change the rules, so we always win. And if we see a mountain in front of us, we don't expect their to be an escalator to take us to the top...NO!, we put our heads down and get to work!"[/i]

---Her best was this line, [i][b]"...wait, wait...I wanna know, whose gonna tell him, that job he's currently seeking, might just be one of those Black jobs"[/b][/i]. Again, total crowd eruption and standing ovation. It was hilarious, poignant, politically funny and hit the target on some many levels, w/r to several gut-punches to Trump, reference to his racist NABJ interview comments.[/LIST]
Day #2 is gonna be hard to top!

[QUOTE=Huacho;2939206]Of course, that isn't true. The S & P was up 26.29% in 2023. The Dow was up 13.70%. The NASDAQ was up 49.32%. So maybe you're talking about the market for used up Seeking hookers? Or the market for silver; that market reached its high oh 50 years ago with the Hunt brothers.[/QUOTE] Don't mind whatever Elvis 2008, thinks he knows about the markets. Which IMHO, is very little, outside of what the dumbasses on FOXY Muse tell him, or the good folks over at CNBC.

But know this for good measure! That it has been almost four (4) years now, that Elvis 2008, has been droning on, about how the markets, the economy, the job numbers, all are going into a recession type crush and how [i]"the economy has been performing so badly, even worse than when Trump was...blah, blah, blah".[/i] Just parroting the latest MAGA economic nonsense, talking points.

All no doubt, because that has been the utter crap that was coming out of Trump, then pickup by right-wing MSM and regurgitated by the MAGA cult (and sometimes often the other way around). And we now all know, that when Trump says:[LIST] [i][b]"It doesn't matter what you say, [/b][/i] [Stephanie or insert whatever Trump ex-advisor you want], [i][b]say it enough and people will believe you." [/b][/i][/LIST]As I've told Elvis 2008, before:
[QUOTE=Spidy;2935600] [b]"Even the sun shines up a dog's ass some days".[/b] But in YOUR case, you've been calling for a market crash and economic recession, for almost the last 4 years now. [b]And you've been WRONG every time! [/b]

So the sun hasn't exactly shone much up your ass for four years. But I'm sure, if you say it long enough and often enough...that sun will surely shine some day! (....kkkk!)[/QUOTE]

For almost several months now, Elvis 2008, hasn't even been able to tell us, what the hell is the Trump/Vance campaign stands for, is running on, or the policies or plans they are looking to put in place to make the lives of Americans better, other than [b]tax-cuts for the billionaires[/b] and [b]"drill, baby drill"[/b].

[QUOTE=Spidy;2939291]

Stephanie Grisham - While not a great or really good speech, IMHO, it expounded upon Trump's delusion.[/QUOTE]Ah, yes, Grisham the woman who wrote a Trump tell all book called "I will take your questions now" while never holding press conferences and raking in a $183,000 government salary. Once the gravy train with Trump was over, she saw there was cash to be made stabbing Trump in the back and making peace with Democrats who in 2019 she called "human scum".

So she is another Kamala, a hooker who instead of screwing johns screws the public. She will tell you whatever you want to hear if the price is right. You had her talking about morals and empathy? Why? Were Stormy Daniels and Michael Cohen busy? I think Stormy Daniels is a more honest hooker than Kamala or Grisham because those two are taking money from me and the taxpayer.

What is next Spidy? You believe the hookers saying you got a 12 inch cock?

As for Pritzker and this DEI bullshit, it is not a good time. The bullshit excuses for the Trump assassination from the SS are getting too hard to stomach. The roof was tilted. It was too hot. The women who were in charge of security had it handled. When Regan got shot, the head of the SS resigned and I do not recall anyone calling for his head. He just did it. The movie in the line of fire was about a SS agent racked with guilt of a president shot on his watch.

The last SS scandals were some fraternity type person who snuck into a White House function and a handsome SS agent who fucked a Colombian woman who did not say she was a hooker and later demanded $800 in payment which would be like an American woman asking for $10,000. When this woman tried to scam the agent, Dan Bongino went around getting money to placate the woman and keep the agency's name out of trouble.

This is what the current SS does: [URL]https://www.facebook.com/reel/1452833418594572[/URL].

The SS agency is in trouble and this crazy female SS agent is caught breaking into a salon to use the bathroom.

A real threat to our Democracy is when a lunatic tries to kill a political leader. That is what the SS is supposedly paid to stop. That is their job. What happened with Trump is someone failing at their job.

The previous SS director thought her "job" was to get more women on the federal payroll. Yeah, look at all the jobs we Democrats created. Of course, doing the job is optional as is not being a fucking embarrassment.

Spidy, you are so warped by the MSM that you think a political candidate getting shot was good for Democracy. In your fucked up head, isn't that right? Isn't Trump not being president good for Democracy even if he were shot and killed? It was okay that he was shot though because he was so immoral and unethical right? Jesus.

[QUOTE=CheckMate1;2939273]December 31,2021 S&P 4775.21.

December 30,2022 S&P 3829.06 -946.15 or 19.8%.

December 30 2022 S&P 3829.06.

December 28,2023 S&P 4786.44 +957.38 or 25%.[/QUOTE]That's just the price change in the index and ignores [B]dividends[/B] and thus is not an accurate measure of return.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2939267]The actual sentence was Spidy seems to have forgotten the market was down in 2022 and 2023 [/QUOTE]Except [B] none of the three most watched indices was down in 2023[/B]. All those numbers I quoted are from 2023. The stock market was down in 2022 and up in 2023. Repeating bullshit does not stop it from being bullshit.

I get a COVID booster every four months now as recommended, and I get a 10% off grocery coupon for every shot. That's a better return on investment than the stock market in 2022, but not as good of an investment as the stock market in 2023.

With a steady, 20.2 million viewers on Day #3 at the DNC, compared to 18M viewers on Day #3 of the RNC. BTW, the DNC 21M on Day #2, had [b]7+ million more viewers[/b] than the 14M by the RNC on their Day #2 (if we're measuring or counting crowd sizes...kkkk!).

That 7+ million is eerily close to the number President Joe Biden won the 2020 Election and popular vote with, as a point of interest. Hmmmm...coincidence or perhaps would that be the Obama effect and REAL "presidential" power from a REAL former president.

IMHO, FWIW the outstanding and notable performances, were by:
[LIST] House Minority Leader, Hakeem Jeffries
Opera Winfery
Maryland Gov., Wes Moore
Secretary of Transportation, Pete Buttigieg
Tim Walz[/LIST][u]The Best Speech of the Night: Bill Clinton[/u]
Former President Bill Clinton - YES, the mind blowing economic fact, that of the 51 million jobs created since end of the Cold War in 1989, Dems have been responsible for creating 50 million of those jobs. President Clinton, tell us he had to fact check this amazing piece of economic data 3x times.

I think, EihTooms, [b]best explains the significance,[/b] of this eye watering, jaw dropping, mic-drop and cold hardcore economic FACT, here: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2467-American-Politics&p=2939183&viewfull=1#post2939183[/url]

This economic (gold nugget and gemstone) FACT, will for me at least, FINALLY shut the door, debunk and put to rest the perception, pretense and perceived reality, that any such right-wing, Repub, QAnon\MAGA, Conservative, Republican Libertarian nonsense, about them being better at the economy is nothing more than a myth, trotted out by paid MSM to uphold that myth, as long as paid advertising dollar are flowing into their coffers.

This will be a stark reminder for any Repub or Repub Libertarian, who continues to cling to that myth, that Repubs are better at the economy than Dems.

Day #3 was alright, and a good start for the nomination for the DNC Veep, Tim Walz.

[QUOTE=Elvis 2008;2939276]So Kamala Harris is the person to vote for who is a good conservative? I just had it out with Viliany when he called himself an economic conservative and yet he endorsed he $10 trillion Covid money printing operation. There is very little difference between borrow and spend Trump and borrow and spend Harris and Biden. Trump can negotiate better deals because he is not burdened by the legacy deals. Biden and Harris cannot cut anything ... [/QUOTE]

Allow me to debunk the usual Repub poppycock and nonsense on "anything" economic related. [b]Dems have created 50 million jobs[/b] since end of the Cold War in 1989. In that same period, [b]Repubs, 1 million.[/b] Enuf Said!

Also please see EihTooms' [b]excellent explanation and significance,[/b] of this eye watering, jaw dropping, mic-drop and cold hardcore economic FACT, here: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2467-American-Politics&p=2939183&viewfull=1#post2939183[/url]

[QUOTE=Elvis 2008;2939276]... yada, yada, yada

...but you have these white suburban housewives who are voting Democrat out of guilt

... yada, yada, yada[/QUOTE]

Thank you for your FOXY Muse and QAnon/MAGA talking points and those "suburban kitchen table" issues, that are SO NOT top of mind for Americans!

But fear not, Elvis 2008, I'm sure your "suburban kitchen table" issues are well covered in your [b]newly minted Repub "bible", Project 2025.[/b]

So let's see how well Americans resonate with your "culture war issues", I mean "suburban kitchen table issues", at the BALLOT-BOX shall we?

It sure seems like "All the Best People" the very stable genius Donald Trump knows, hired and appointed to collect a taxpayer-funded paycheck turned out to be "hookers" who quickly figured out he is an idiot, dope and a moron and now refuse to endorse him for, well, for any job that I know of.

But definitely not for a second shot at creating an even worse result of his key economic and national security decisions as president than the Trillions of taxpayers dollars he flushed down the shitter on a counterproductive supposedly economic "stimulus" legislation, Trump's Pandemic and its millions of deaths, business and school closures, millions upon millions of jobs destroyed, the collapse of global supply chains, the inflation and skyrocketing costs of rent, food and gas, the historic spikes in violent crime and illegal border crossings and that violent mob of insurrectionists he led into battle on American Soil in his War Against America and American Democracy based on his Big Lie.

Just a few examples:

[B]'Idiot, Dope, Moron': How Trumps aides have insulted the boss.[/B]

[URL]https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/04/trumps-insults-idiot-woodward-806455[/URL]

[B]Full List of Former Donald Trump Officials Refusing to Endorse Him.[/B]

[URL]https://www.newsweek.com/full-list-former-donald-trump-officials-refusing-endorse-him-1882733[/URL]

Or maybe most of them are not really "hookers" at all but merely folks telling the truth as they clearly saw, heard and experienced it.

Is a puzzlement.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2939276]So the whole concept of white privilege does not affect me because I have around black men and women my whole life![/QUOTE][B]So far from the truth as to make me laugh[/B] In no way would you speak to them IRL the way you speak to me and others up in this thread and others in ISG.

The level of disrespect that you show online would have gotten your head knocked clean off long before now in IRL. Which tell me that you are truly nothing more than a keyboard warrior with strong personal opinions and views with a desire to express them.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2939344]That's just the price change in the index and ignores [B]dividends[/B] and thus is not an accurate measure of return.[/QUOTE]However, my main point was that the market is not a good measure of how a presidency is doing.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;2933302]Tell us EXACTLY what you know about the hiring of a United States Secret Service special agent candidate and the subsequent training the occurs Federal Law Enforcement Training Center AND James J. Rowley Training Center? I will save you the trouble. You don't know a thing about it. You are just talking out the side of your neck. Because if you did you would understand they a candidate for Special Agent of the United States Secret Service must successfully pass through of the training centers. Then a 1 year on-the-job training program. At least two years of an investigative assignment before being accepted into a protective detail.

Who is going to say that the United States Secret Service agents working that day were not qualified? We have those of lesser intelligence (putting diplomatically) that will say that. But they are only showing their bigotry and ignorance as republicans.[/QUOTE][URL]https://nypost.com/2024/08/17/us-news/secret-sevice-probing-claims-agent-left-trump-rally-to-breastfeed/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.cbsnews.com/news/secret-service-agents-on-leave-trump-shooting/[/URL]

[URL]https://nypost.com/2024/08/23/us-news/secret-service-agents-placed-on-administrative-leave-after-assassination-attempt-fiasco/[/URL]

[URL]https://nypost.com/2024/08/22/us-news/toilet-paper-that-fell-out-of-nancy-pelosis-pants-on-dnc-stage-was-really-notes-source-says/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2939336]Ah, yes, Grisham the woman who wrote a Trump tell all book called "I will take your questions now" while never holding press conferences and raking in a $183,000 government salary. Once the gravy train with Trump was over, [b]she saw there was cash to be made stabbing Trump in the back[/b] and making peace with Democrats who in 2019 she called "human scum"... [/QUOTE]Stabbing someone in the back is a neat trick, I'm sure she learnt it from Trump. As a fellow Repub, I'm surprised you aren't extremely proud of her handy work at "back stabbing another Repub", as Trump has made a political career out of it.

But why on earth would you as the [B]"Paycheck Superhero"[/B], deny anyone who wants to make a salary or paycheck, outside of gov't? Doesn't that go against your creed? Once again, you sound like a hypocrite, and not the "Paycheck Superhero", you claim to be!

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2939336]As for Pritzker and this DEI bullshit, it is not a good time. The bullshit excuses for the Trump assassination from the SS are getting too hard to stomach. The roof was tilted. It was too hot...the head of the SS resigned ... The last SS scandals ....SS agent who fucked a Colombian woman who did not say she was a hooker...SS agency is in trouble and this crazy female SS agent is caught breaking into a salon to use the bathroom...[/QUOTE] Ahhh...is all that crazy talk of SS agents and plots unknown, is you giving up on your Repubs?

But fret not, Repubs will be "back stabbing" more than just Trump, it would seem. As Texas will be "back stabbing" voters and "suspending" (aka. illegally purging) 2 million voters from voting lists, and making them drive miles to the state election office, to validate themselves as voters.

[b]Texas 'voter suspense' list climbs past 2 million as election gears up: report [/b]
[url]https://www.rawstory.com/news/register-to-vote-texas/[/url]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2939336]A real threat to our Democracy is...[/QUOTE]Trump! Odious Texas voting "suspension" laws!

[QUOTE=Elvis 2008;2939336]Spidy, you are so warped by the MSM that you think a political candidate getting shot was good for Democracy. In your fucked up head, isn't that right? Isn't Trump not being president good for Democracy even if he were shot and killed? It was okay that he was shot though because he was so immoral and unethical right? Jesus.[/QUOTE]For someone who celebrated this attempted shooting and [b]"wet-your-pants"[/b] with the premature celebration of Trump wining in ROEvember, you sure do sound like someone with case of sour grapes! Or is it buyers remorse over a nominated [b]"weirdo"[/b] Veep JD Vance, the "Childless Single Woman Cat Ladies" candidate?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2939336] What is next Spidy? You believe the hookers saying you got a 12 inch cock?[/QUOTE]This time, you sound like [B]yet another Repub, comparing "crowd sizes" with a Dem! [/B] (...kkkk!)

FYI, the Repubs has lost that comparison by 2x and 3x the size and by 7+ million viewers on Day #2 of the DNC! (...kkkk!)

[b]PS:[/b] For almost several months now, Elvis 2008, hasn't even been able to tell us, what the hell is the Trump/Vance campaign stands for, is running on, or the policies or plans they are looking to put in place to make the lives of Americans better, other than [b]tax-cuts for the billionaires[/b] and [b]["drill, baby drill".[/b]

[QUOTE=CheckMate1;2939477]However, my main point was that the market is not a good measure of how a presidency is doing.[/QUOTE]I agree that ups and downs in the Stock Market are not saying much if anything positive or negative about how a president is doing his job. For one example, there could be a steep sell-off in the market exactly the same time that a potus is called out on some perceived blunder. But if that sell-off is only due to the Stock Market having hit multiple all-time closing highs and Christmas time is nigh, well, I would say people are simply raking off some profits to go shopping and buy stuff. Nothing negative about it. And not anything to do with that perceived blunder by the potus.

However, the Stock Market being a forward looking entity where investors are betting on better times ahead and the fact that major Bear Market declines almost always accompany notable Recessions, I would say greater Stock Market gains will be in the mix, historically, along with greater jobs creation, greater GDP Growth, fewer or shallower GDP contraction (recessions) and so on.

Therefore, in that way, better Stock Market performance and results are very likely to be an indication that the policy and stewardship at hand is also doing well and avoiding or averting disaster as much as possible.

[B]Are Republicans or Democrats Better for the Stock Market?[/B]

[URL]https://retirementresearcher.com/are-republicans-or-democrats-better-for-the-stock-market/[/URL]

[QUOTE]From 1926 to 2023, we have had a Republican president for 47 years, and a Democratic president for 51 years. The difference in returns between the parties is pretty stark. The average annual return for the S&P 500 index when we had a Republican President was 9.32%. When we had a Democratic President, the S&P 500 average 14.78% per year. Thats a premium of 5.5% per year on average. To put it mildly, this is a really big difference.[/QUOTE]Now, we can look for every nuance and subtlety in those results, Congressional make up, etc as is mentioned in that article as well.

But when you combine that with the 3 X as many jobs created under Dems vs Repubs over the past 100 years, 50 million for Dems to 1 million for Repubs just in the past 35 years (so it is only getting far worse for Repubs over time, not better), that every Depression or Great Recession of the past 100 years started on the Repub potus' watch and often well into his presidency and on and on, it begins to strain credulity to continue to chalk it up to all these extenuating circumstances and that "stuff happens" when extenuating circumstances and stuff happens during Dem potus terms too.

There are simply too many "wild coincidences" and too much "luck" on the side of the Dem potuses and against Repub potuses and for too many decades. Imo, it is long past time we come to the unavoidable conclusion that Dem potuses are making their own good luck while Repub potuses are working very hard to make their own bad luck.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxNAdilyqow[/URL]

Listen to this speech. It's more noble and truer than anything that was said in Chicago.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2939487]I agree that ups and downs in the Stock Market are not saying much if anything positive or negative about how a president is doing his job. For one example, there could be a steep sell-off in the market exactly the same time that a potus is called out on some perceived blunder. But if that sell-off is only due to the Stock Market having hit multiple all-time closing highs and Christmas time is nigh, well, I would say people are simply raking off some profits to go shopping and buy stuff. Nothing negative about it. And not anything to do with that perceived blunder by the potus.

However, the Stock Market being a forward looking entity where investors are betting on better times ahead and the fact that major Bear Market declines almost always accompany notable Recessions, I would say greater Stock Market gains will be in the mix, historically, along with greater jobs creation, greater GDP Growth, fewer or shallower GDP contraction (recessions) and so on.

Therefore, in that way, better Stock Market performance and results are very likely to be an indication that the policy and stewardship at hand is also doing well and avoiding or averting disaster as much as possible.

[B]Are Republicans or Democrats Better for the Stock Market?[/B]

[URL]https://retirementresearcher.com/are-republicans-or-democrats-better-for-the-stock-market/[/URL]

Now, we can look for every nuance and subtlety in those results, Congressional make up, etc as is mentioned in that article as well.

But when you combine that with the 3 X as many jobs created under Dems vs Repubs over the past 100 years, 50 million for Dems to 1 million for Repubs just in the past 35 years (so it is only getting far worse for Repubs over time, not better), that every Depression or Great Recession of the past 100 years started on the Repub potus' watch and often well into his presidency and on and on, it begins to strain credulity to continue to chalk it up to all these extenuating circumstances and that "stuff happens" when extenuating circumstances and stuff happens during Dem potus terms too.

There are simply too many "wild coincidences" and too much "luck" on the side of the Dem potuses and against Repub potuses and for too many decades. Imo, it is long past time we come to the unavoidable conclusion that Dem potuses are making their own good luck while Repub potuses are working very hard to make their own bad luck.[/QUOTE]Are an existential threat to Democracy and our Republic.

[URL]https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/rfk-speech-democrats/2024/08/23/id/1177688/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/2024-election/2024/08/19/jill-stein-demands-democrats-abandon-harris-democrat-party-is-the-cause-of-fascism/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/08/22/jill-stein-democrats-absolutely-cheat-and-change-the-rules-to-maintain-their-grip-on-power/[/URL]

I can just see the proverbial steam coming outta Trumps nostrils, as he finds out, Veep Harris, a women and his staunch rival is not only besting him with 2x and 3x the "crowd size", but is annihilating him in raising record setting campaign donations in the last month, as well.

[b]Kamala Harris has raised nearly $500 million in the past month[/b]
[url]https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/20/harris-election-fundraising-biden.html?taid=66c53869235a150001a0400c[/url]

What a blow to his fragile ego, that must really be, that yet another women is besting him, at something Trump and Repubs are supposed to be good at...kkkk!

PS: Won't be long before he blames this latest campaign hit, on JD Vance and takes it outta his ass!

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2939487]I agree that ups and downs in the Stock Market are not saying much if anything positive or negative about how a president is doing his job. For one example, there could be a steep sell-off in the market exactly the same time that a potus is called out on some perceived blunder. But if that sell-off is only due to the Stock Market having hit multiple all-time closing highs and Christmas time is nigh, well, I would say people are simply raking off some profits to go shopping and buy stuff. Nothing negative about it. And not anything to do with that perceived blunder by the potus.

However, the Stock Market being a forward looking entity where investors are betting on better times ahead and the fact that major Bear Market declines almost always accompany notable Recessions, I would say greater Stock Market gains will be in the mix, historically, along with greater jobs creation, greater GDP Growth, fewer or shallower GDP contraction (recessions) and so on.

Therefore, in that way, better Stock Market performance and results are very likely to be an indication that the policy and stewardship at hand is also doing well and avoiding or averting disaster as much as possible.

[B]Are Republicans or Democrats Better for the Stock Market?[/B]

[URL]https://retirementresearcher.com/are-republicans-or-democrats-better-for-the-stock-market/[/URL]

Now, we can look for every nuance and subtlety in those results, Congressional make up, etc as is mentioned in that article as well.

But when you combine that with the 3 X as many jobs created under Dems vs Repubs over the past 100 years, 50 million for Dems to 1 million for Repubs just in the past 35 years (so it is only getting far worse for Repubs over time, not better), that every Depression or Great Recession of the past 100 years started on the Repub potus' watch and often well into his presidency and on and on, it begins to strain credulity to continue to chalk it up to all these extenuating circumstances and that "stuff happens" when extenuating circumstances and stuff happens during Dem potus terms too.

There are simply too many "wild coincidences" and too much "luck" on the side of the Dem potuses and against Repub potuses and for too many decades. Imo, it is long past time we come to the unavoidable conclusion that Dem potuses are making their own good luck while Repub potuses are working very hard to make their own bad luck.[/QUOTE]You try to emulate the legacy media with their hatred of the American people, you just want to be an evil propagandist for the Davos crowd like they are.

[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/08/23/rfk-jr-media-have-become-government-mouthpieces-stenographers-organs-power/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/08/23/rfk-rips-democrats-for-installing-war-candidate-kamala-harris/[/URL]

Enjoy eternity in HELL.

RFK Shall be Great s the Head of the CIA-- We are in the third act of the Modern AMerica Story-- The Best OutCome (MAGA) is the Likely outcome-.

Get Used to Donald J Trump becoming Our President in 2024.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2939547] ...
Enjoy eternity in HELL.[/QUOTE]

You're an atheist, right, as I believe you've told us a few times. Well, I was just wondering...do you have an explanation, for the people you tell to [b]enjoy HELL[/b] or [b]go HELL[/b], a place atheists don't believe exists?

Or did my last quip about the nuns being a tad bit disappointed, get you to reinvigorate your faith in Christianity? (...kkkk!)

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2939499][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxNAdilyqow[/URL]

Listen to this speech. It's more noble and truer than anything that was said in Chicago.[/QUOTE]They don't censor lies, they only censor the truth! Sound familiar hmmmm hmmm.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2939547]You try to emulate the legacy media with their hatred of the American people, you just want to be an evil propagandist for the Davos crowd like they are.

[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/08/23/rfk-jr-media-have-become-government-mouthpieces-stenographers-organs-power/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/08/23/rfk-rips-democrats-for-installing-war-candidate-kamala-harris/[/URL].[/QUOTE]The "worm ate my brain after I ate a dog and dumped a bear carcass in Central Park before I endorsed Trump but didn't really drop out so you can still vote for me and, hey, I might win" guy had fallen from low double digits for a brief moment or two down to low single digits and eventually closer to zero than 5%.

He was already a non entity and non issue. Stein and West could also disappear tomorrow and nobody would think to call the Missing Persons' Bureau until sometime next year.

LOL. I love that, after talking with Trump a minute or two, even lunatic RFK jr realized he could snow that numbskull into awarding him the Secretary of State job in a hypothetical 2nd Trump term by only making it "sound" to a gullible numbskull that he was dropping out and endorsing him AND that he wasn't really dropping out at all.

Lolol. What a freakin' hilarious Clown on Clown crime spree!

Meanwhile, even without the polls that would or could show a Convention Boost for Harris being yet announced, she is already leading Trump in the National Polls for the Head-to-Head and the 5-Way, also in WI, MI, PA. AZ, NV and NC on the 538 Site and the Nate Silver Bulletin, where she is leading Trump in EVERY Battleground Srate except Georgia. And she is only 0. 8 and 0. 5 point away from leading him there.

[URL]https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.natesilver.net/p/nate-silver-2024-president-election-polls-model[/URL]

Did you see the cute Demonstrably Winger move RealClearPolitics pulled? They moved AZ back to the Trump side of their No Toss-Up States EC Map only on the "strength" of a lame Rasmussen poll showing Trump ahead of Harris +2 in the Head-to-Head and +1 in the 5-Way in AZ. LOL. Trying to buy time until a real polling service shows up and cannot be ignored that doesn't pre select its respondents from likely Trump supporters like Rasmussen and HarrisX does. LOL.

So I say go ahead, worm brain dude. Give it your best idiotic anti vaccine conspiracy theory shot!

Oh, and now the 538 Favored To Win page is up and running again with Harris vs Trump, which is slightly different than their regular polling consensus section linked above.

For those who care about the polls, that is. Or used to. Enjoy:

[URL]https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2024-election-forecast/[/URL]

Chances to win:

Harris = 58 out 100.

Trump = 41 out of 100.

Projected EC Votes:

Harris = 287.

Trump = 251.

Kennedy = 0.

Florida

2020 Total Votes Total Registered by party % Vote / Reg Total Votes / Reg.

Trump 5,668,731 5,218,739 108.62% 449,992.

Biden 5,297,045 5,315,954 99.64% -18,909.

As of 7/31/24.

2024 Total Registered by Party.

Trump 5,324,654.

Harris 4,327,859.

About 4 million No Party Affiliation and Minor Party registered in 2020 and 2024. Assuming that 100% vote for each side, there's a deficit of about 1,000,000 votes in Trump favor. If Harris can energize the registration drive to equal to 2020 between now and election, I don't believe Trump will be able to gardner 400,00 additional votes from third party.

For Trump to win, DEM falls short on Registrations.

For Harris to win, DEM must equal or exceed Registered Voters AND pull from Haley voters.

Keep an eye on this space:

[URL]https://dos.fl.gov/elections/data-statistics/voter-registration-statistics/voter-registration-reports/voter-registration-by-party-affiliation/[/URL]

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2939499][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxNAdilyqow[/URL]

Listen to this speech. It's more noble and truer than anything that was said in Chicago.[/QUOTE]Dum and Dummer.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-3nXSf4itI[/URL]

He handed the nomination to her as revenge for them knifing him in the back.

Well played Joe.

He made sure they lost, by kicking him off the ticket lololololololololol.

How dumb is a man who has never been to Thailand writing about the position on the Thai Government. His statements refuted by for different posters with way more experience than I have in Thailand.

It simply goes to show how truly stupid his commentary on [B]American Politics[/B] are here in this thread.

I have never actually seen a logical argument that he has made to back up anything he has said up in here.

Only a real man give up something like the Presidency of the United States of America for the betterment of the country.

As for who is going to lose, I'll wait for the polls to close. Hopefully the Republicans don't try to cheat yet again and actually support fair and free elections.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2939763]Dum and Dummer.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-3nXSf4itI[/URL]

He handed the nomination to her as revenge for them knifing him in the back.

Well played Joe.

He made sure they lost, by kicking him off the ticket lololololololololol.[/QUOTE]