Medellin Reports

[QUOTE=Concarne;1595387]An hour later I awake with her pulling her pants down and blouse up and stimulating herself, next thing I know she goes in this frenzy and reaches for my cock and starts pulling it towards her backend. So I start pounding her doggie style. A couple of hours later she bid good bye on her way to her hotel to get ready for her flight.

Yep. Just like that. Sometimes is just a matter of not forcing the issue and just having a chill time. And good stuff will happen from time to time. Or at least interesting stuff. But I am sure that if I had gone with an agenda or if they thought I was trying to target them or convert them they would have either laughed or blowed me off in a hurry. [/QUOTE]Good stories. It took me awhile to accept this as I tend to be a very organized person, I like to go out in the evening with specific plans. But in Colombia, that's a recipe for frustration and failure. The non-pro Colombianas drove me crazy with their tardiness, flakiness, impulsiveness, etc. Now I just accept it for what it is; the best strategy is just to go with the flow and see what happens. The funny thing is that this lesbo Colombiana you hooked up with might not even give you the time of day should you ever run into her again, but no need to take it personally. That's just how these Colombianas tick.

So now I rarely bother to plan ahead more than one hour in advance. If you do set an appointment for the next day or much later the same day, assume at least a 50% chance it won't happen, and try to have a basic backup plan, and I do mean basic as the more involved / detailed your plans are, the more likely they won't pan out. In general, your best bet is to do something like what Concarne did; just be somewhere where there's lots of people and "catch a wave" so to speak.

I think this phenomena has to do with the history of this country. Life here in past decades was chaotic and uncertain (economically, socially, politically). The situation is much improved now, but the attitudes still carry over to the present day, especially in the social sphere. I suspect that people here have a cultural assumption that plans almost always fail, so better just to do whatever feels right at any given moment!

[QUOTE=Rjsss212;1596017]No, what's in her genes is good looks. She's just lazy and uneducated in a morally corrupt country.[/QUOTE]One's judgment says nothing about the judged and everything about the judge. "Morally corrupt" means nothing absent definition. Certainly those with a more Puritan belief system might judge Colombian women "morally corrupt" because the ease with which they except sex and simply being "naturale. " Of course, no one would be so twisted to bring Puritan beliefs to this board; to Colombia. In excess of 95 % of Colombians are baptized Roman Catholic. What you see practiced here is Christianity that's not infected by a preoccupation with pleasures of the flesh as being sinful or bad. Just natural.

Granted, the climate, the food, the genetics all contribute to some of the most beautiful and sexy women on God's earth. But to conclude they are "lazy" and "uneducated" is an opinion that is offensive simply because it's so wrong. Want to see lazy? Go the the USA And spend an hour in any Walmart. Fat, rude, carelessly dressed. Those are the "lazy" bitches. I love that these Colombian females from puberty to death dress to exhibit sex appeal and desirability. These women make sure they are as attractive as possible. Amigo, that's pride in their appearance and in their culture; that's not lazy.

Uneducated? Again, depends on definition. Colombia's average education is 5. 3 years and 12 years for Yankees. Most important to us, I respectfully suggest, is how "educated" these women are in giving the pleasures that only a woman can give (I don't write to denigrate gays, but I simply don't understand that attraction.) The Colombian women are taught from an early age that they have the power and ability to provide wonderful pleasures. I suggest that is being educated.

Digressing, I hope you rethink your attitude and how you think about the women of Colombia. Otherwise, I predict that the time you spend here will be less than fulfilling by any meaningful measure.

Only good energy, and as I write that I'm thinking of no less than a dozen girls that I know who could and would "get you mind right. " I hope it happens for you.

I see the same way. Thanks for the insight.

[QUOTE=Phunluv;1596492]

I think this phenomena has to do with the history of this country. Life here in past decades was chaotic and uncertain (economically, socially, politically). The situation is much improved now, but the attitudes still carry over to the present day, especially in the social sphere. I suspect that people here have a cultural assumption that plans almost always fail, so better just to do whatever feels right at any given moment![/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=AussieGreg;1595385]No such thing as a non-pro in Colombia, their all fucken pros, just like there mothers and grandmothers, its in there breeding or DNA!

A. G[/QUOTE]The same can be said of American women. I never met an American woman who did'nt want something material in exchange for sex whether immediately or sometime in the future. Who knows? Perhaps this is so the world over.

[QUOTE=Dealdo;1555156]It was English bro. What I said is that if you want to pay 10 bucks for a cute girl and have the time of your life, been treated like you are kind of handsome even though in your country you are average, you have a way better chance in Asia, NOT in Medellin (also Asian girls are not as hot as paisas for my personal taste). In Medellin requires invest more than that. But of course you also can get it, but just not for 20k COL. And that was an advise for any regular dude that goes over seas to get pussy, mostly because is cheaper and can't get it that easy in their own country. Is not a mystery that, that is the reason for many dudes here. Not mocking anybody, just trying to help and open eyes. Is Ok not to be an stud or a Casanova. 90% of the population in the planet we are in that part. So I don't have any tabus to talk about it. Is just normal and common, so please sensitive guys, do not get offended and just take a good advise like it is. (So many sensitive dudes fckk prozac is going bad hahaha)[/QUOTE]Catching up on posts and I know this was a while ago but let's face it. All of your posts those two months, well, you are selling something here. You have a massage place with a happy ending but you don't post the intel, making people PM you and divulge their email. Why? Every post where a guy get's laid with little effort and little $ you are saying, "That's not the norm! It costs a lot, that guy probably looks like Brad Pitt, etc etc". 'Or "Go to Asia if you want to pay cheap prices, etc. ".

Lets face it: You are putting guys in contact with "your girls" like David 33 in Lima, getting a cut or something out of it as these girls charge through the roof. Your posts about how expensive things are are just to get readers (new readers most likely) of this forum into the mindset of paying big bucks in order to sell "your girls".

[QUOTE=SailorJim;1596741]Catching up on posts and I know this was a while ago but let's face it. All of your posts those two months, well, you are selling something here. You have a massage place with a happy ending but you don't post the intel, making people PM you and divulge their email. Why? Every post where a guy get's laid with little effort and little $ you are saying, "That's not the norm! It costs a lot, that guy probably looks like Brad Pitt, etc etc". 'Or "Go to Asia if you want to pay cheap prices, etc. ".

Lets face it: You are putting guys in contact with "your girls" like David 33 in Lima, getting a cut or something out of it as these girls charge through the roof. Your posts about how expensive things are are just to get readers (new readers most likely) of this forum into the mindset of paying big bucks in order to sell "your girls".[/QUOTE]I want to share my view of Medellin.

A friend from the Spanish classes here yesterday said: Jack, we are in Paradise, here even the ugly girls are pretty!

Today I had a date going to Teatro Metropolitano with a very cute paisa. But she called in sick after I had bought the tickets!

The girl that helps me with the cleaning, who has become a friend over the last 2 months, then jumped in her place. Even she very pretty!

Well. It's so easy and so natural here. It just flows, even for the average guy in his 40's.

It's just an example. But it is how it is like here.

The girls are pretty and are approachable. I mean even girls that you never would approach back home.

I rarely see gringos here, so there is a lot of space left over. That if you not stay in Poblado / Parque Lleras.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1596684]The same can be said of American women. I never met an American woman who did'nt want something material in exchange for sex whether immediately or sometime in the future. Who knows? Perhaps this is so the world over.[/QUOTE]That's just not true. Lots of women in the USA love to fuck solely for the enjoyment of fucking. The catch is they generally want to fuck guys close to their age or younger. But yes, for a hot 21 year old chick in the States to want to fuck a guy twice her age, she'll likely want to get something material out of it.

[QUOTE=Combo;1596911]That's just not true. Lots of women in the USA love to fuck solely for the enjoyment of fucking. The catch is they generally want to fuck guys close to their age or younger. But yes, for a hot 21 year old chick in the States to want to fuck a guy twice her age, she'll likely want to get something material out of it.[/QUOTE]No.

A lot of girls want to seduce her best friends daddy!

Just as in porn there's a very popular MILF section responding to young men's desire to be seduced by the hot mum of his friend.

Girls also have such dreams.

The problem with Anglo-Saxon men is that they consider themselves inferior towards females from the very start from their analysis.

Females also feel inferior to men.

The majority of successful persons are men.

A man that appears succesful or strong physically have a huge impoact on females.

They are just better hiding their secret wishes.

If females ruled porn there would be a lot of "FILF", "babysitters", etc.

You are really so naive that you think that girls sexuality only runs around money all the time?

There are no females here, even though Ango-Saxon starts with their constantly self-imposed limitation of abilities.

When you write 21 year old chick, you mean and WE READ a very HOT one.

But what about the average next door girl?

I'm just wondering why he stopped posting under the other handle.

I distinctly remember when he was posting as Blanco Viking it was always the same Anglo Saxon this and that, coupled with the fucked up spelling of every other word (I'm positive English is not his first language); just like he is doing with his C Jack Sparrow handle.

Since most of he posts always read like a propaganda piece, I'm guessing that he is most likely from a former Eastern Bloc country.

US chicas will bang anyone that displays cash and drugs.

Age is unimportant. IMO it is a waste of time and money when places like Medellin exist which require much less resources. An erect penis is the biggest requirement. In the US it is called blue balls.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;1594417]From my travels, Armenia should be high on a list of this type.[/QUOTE]I will have to check that out. I understand that you can catch a bus from Flota Occidental in Medellin to Salento and then get a connecting bus to Armenia.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1597042]I'm just wondering why he stopped posting under the other handle.

I distinctly remember when he was posting as Blanco Viking it was always the same Anglo Saxon this and that, coupled with the fucked up spelling of every other word (I'm positive English is not his first language); just like he is doing with his C Jack Sparrow handle.

Since most of he posts always read like a propaganda piece, I'm guessing that he is most likely from a former Eastern Bloc country.[/QUOTE]I'm Nordic, hence Blanco Vikingo.

I have had 3-4 alias during a decade, all Pirate, Viking etc.

Blanco Vikingo retired. Since my interest come in waves.

Yes, I have a lifelong struggle with both Spanish and English. It is like that when you come from a small country, adopt or vanish!

Yes, I'm into cultural differences (actually it is historical differences in culture, institutions and mental capabilities amongst etnical groups, countires etc.).

The competition between Anglo-Saxon and Hispanics goes back to ca. 1400, but there has also been a profund political cooperation, especially between Britain and Portugal.

That's why I like to compare with the dominating culture.

Sexual self-restraint is often a strong component in the cultures that has had success historically, that is, if the individuals can canalize there energy into positive activitites.

Personally I prefer to LIVE and that's why I love Medellin and want to share this view with the guys, just like me before, are suffering HELL back home.

I don't know about Eastern Europe people and their propaganda writings.

[QUOTE=CJackSparrow;1596948]No.

A lot of girls want to seduce her best friends daddy!

Just as in porn there's a very popular MILF section responding to young men's desire to be seduced by the hot mum of his friend.

Girls also have such dreams.

The problem with Anglo-Saxon men is that they consider themselves inferior towards females from the very start from their analysis.

Females also feel inferior to men.

The majority of successful persons are men.

A man that appears succesful or strong physically have a huge impoact on females.

They are just better hiding their secret wishes.

If females ruled porn there would be a lot of "FILF", "babysitters", etc.

You are really so naive that you think that girls sexuality only runs around money all the time?

There are no females here, even though Ango-Saxon starts with their constantly self-imposed limitation of abilities.

When you write 21 year old chick, you mean and WE READ a very HOT one.

But what about the average next door girl?[/QUOTE]Seems you agree with me. Lots of women crave sex just as much as we do. Again the problem is if the type of chick you crave doesn't crave you. The solution is to pay (either explicitly through pay-for-play or implicity through a financially oriented relationship).

I used to have no problem fucking hot looking 22 year-olds. In fact, I had flings / relationships where the financial flow was to me. But now that I'm 50 years-old, those hot-looking 20 somethings aren't too interested in me (again unless it's financially advantageous to them).

Are there hot-looking 22 year-olds that would love to fuck a guy my age? Possibly a few, but they are a small minority. For most people, male or female, youth is beauty. Most of us are much more physically appealing in our 20's than in our 50's.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1597114]I will have to check that out. I understand that you can catch a bus from Flota Occidental in Medellin to Salento and then get a connecting bus to Armenia.[/QUOTE]He meant the country of Armenia. The town of Armenia, CO is not a great destination for P4 P. It is decent for a one or two day visit but I would not recommend taking a bus trip looking for chicas.

This is the funniest post I have read here in a long time.

[QUOTE=Shamester;1597071]US chicas will bang anyone that displays cash and drugs.

Age is unimportant. IMO it is a waste of time and money when places like Medellin exist which require much less resources. An erect penis is the biggest requirement. In the US it is called blue balls.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SailorJim;1596741]Catching up on posts and I know this was a while ago but let's face it. All of your posts those two months, well, you are selling something here. You have a massage place with a happy ending but you don't post the intel, making people PM you and divulge their email. Why? Every post where a guy get's laid with little effort and little $ you are saying, "That's not the norm! It costs a lot, that guy probably looks like Brad Pitt, etc etc". 'Or "Go to Asia if you want to pay cheap prices, etc. ".

Lets face it: You are putting guys in contact with "your girls" like David 33 in Lima, getting a cut or something out of it as these girls charge through the roof. Your posts about how expensive things are are just to get readers (new readers most likely) of this forum into the mindset of paying big bucks in order to sell "your girls".[/QUOTE]You are right. Nobody is fooling you, you are fooling yourself. I do not sell chicks here or anywhere, and because of paranoid people like you I stopped recommending girls. You can see, I haven't reported anything anymore. So only my close friends stay in touch. And about all I said still thinking the same. Colombian girls don't have the worse taste on man in the world. If you don't have play, look or charm is just like anywhere else, you have to pay some way or another. And many dreamers already found that out after being played and fooled in many ways. The old gringos who are now locals here can tell you better than me. Good luck and next time please have some probes before crying out of being tricked.

[QUOTE=WiltTheStilt;1592978]The SWs are at calle 30,33 and 40 . Gets dicier as the numbers increase. 30 you will find cleaner girls, 33 you will find a mix of "healthy" ones and glue huffers, 40 is the wild west. There are some gems to be found, but don't be surprised if on any given night it is dead.

The SWs at the bottom of Maracaibo and going across like Cra 50 or whatever, you can find them in the day, many on Sundays. I have never partaken. At night that area may have SWs, I have no idea. There are some strip bars (Conejas being the biggest) but most of them have lousy facilities and maybe two doable girls if you are lucky.[/QUOTE]I saw a MILF from a taxi on my way to Homecenter. Then walked back to Cra. 65 where I saw her. Bought some candy and left her a note; "You are very pretty. I would like to get to know you". And my cellnumber.

She called the next day. She came over, actually simultaneously as the Homecenter guy. We had a beer. Then we had a shower and bareback sex!

She did not ask for money or anything like that, but of course she got a propina of 100 mil, but she would have been happy with 50. I was generous since it was 50% helping her out, 50% pure sex. 50 mil if we repeat, and she will be happy with that. 100 mil "is more than than I make in 2 days" she said. She works everyday selling candy at the semafor, Monday-Sunday, 8 am-8 pm or more hours.

Very thin, but very sexy, the hottest candy seller in Medellin. I could just not resist, and I was lucky. And great bareback sex! Wow! But of course bareback is not my routine, actually it happens rarely.

She is from San Javier, 2 kids. I mean San Javier where it is really dangerous, as she described it.

From a sexclient view 100 mil was a fair price, bareback, great sex, no clock, just good everything. She would be hot working at New Life!

She maybe needs 3-4 days to make 100 mil. I think she tops 30 mil a day. Tops! So it is good money for her.

I will continue this way, becuase it was very exciting. It was an Kamikaze Impuls. More likely to we a total failure, but this this it went great great.

So beware Candyselling MILFs of Medellin streets, here comes The Vikings & SexPirates.

The Old Good Jack Sparrow is back!

Anyone who is in town or will be over the next 10 days that wants to ParTEE let me know. I am fluent and have been at this for 15 years. Not well versed on MDE but I had a lot of fun last trip and expect this one will be even better.

Can anyone that is experienced in living / visiting MDE during the flower festival give any input on:

1. availability / prices of girls in clubs, casas, la mayorista during this time?

2. business hours / entrance fees for casas and clubs stay the same during this time?

3. would this be a good or bad time to go to MDE for the first time when taking in to account the crowds / traffic during this time?

I'm considering going to MDE for the first time during the second week of August and realize that this is during the flower festival in MDE. I've read RTFF going back 2 years and really didn't get clear answers to the above questions, so anybody care to help?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Bijou;1597951]Can anyone that is experienced in living / visiting MDE during the flower festival give any input on:

1. availability / prices of girls in clubs, casas, la mayorista during this time?

2. business hours / entrance fees for casas and clubs stay the same during this time?

3. would this be a good or bad time to go to MDE for the first time when taking in to account the crowds / traffic during this time?

I'm considering going to MDE for the first time during the second week of August and realize that this is during the flower festival in MDE. I've read RTFF going back 2 years and really didn't get clear answers to the above questions, so anybody care to help?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]I haven't been during this time, but from others that I have spoken with that have been just expect everything (hotels, apartment rentals, restaurants, chicas, clubs, etc.) to be inflated by 100%; just like with what happens around Carnival in Rio de Janiero. Also do not be surprised to find that most of the hotels and apartments are possibly fully booked at this point (if you haven't locked in anything already).

Probably also can expect your favorita to be more busier than normal as well. Not just from working the influx of extrajernos, but from hanging with family and friends at the parades during the day, and partying at night.

If you have the option, just wait until about a week or two after the flower festival is over. The chicas will be fresh and looking to recoup all the tuition and school book money they blew on partying hard during the festivals.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1597972]I haven't been during this time, but from others that I have spoken with that have been just expect everything (hotels, apartment rentals, restaurants, chicas, clubs, etc.) to be inflated by 100%; just like with what happens around Carnival in Rio de Janiero. Also do not be surprised to find that most of the hotels and apartments are possibly fully booked at this point (if you haven't locked in anything already).

Probably also can expect your favorita to be more busier than normal as well. Not just from working the influx of extrajernos, but from hanging with family and friends at the parades during the day, and partying at night.

If you have the option, just wait until about a week or two after the flower festival is over. The chicas will be fresh and looking to recoup all the tuition and school book money they blew on partying hard during the festivals.[/QUOTE]I knew prices would be inflated, but didn't know about the availability of the girls. I think I'll wait. Thanks for your input.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1597972]I haven't been during this time, but from others that I have spoken with that have been just expect everything (hotels, apartment rentals, restaurants, chicas, clubs, etc.) to be inflated by 100%; just like with what happens around Carnival in Rio de Janiero. Also do not be surprised to find that most of the hotels and apartments are possibly fully booked at this point (if you haven't locked in anything already).

Probably also can expect your favorita to be more busier than normal as well. Not just from working the influx of extrajernos, but from hanging with family and friends at the parades during the day, and partying at night.

If you have the option, just wait until about a week or two after the flower festival is over. The chicas will be fresh and looking to recoup all the tuition and school book money they blew on partying hard during the festivals.[/QUOTE]Rentals are not that bad in Medellin. Unlike Rio. They usually increase rates only by about 10%. Chicas will charge the same. However, you should definitely book way in advance during this time.

It is congested, lots of traffic. More so that it is now.

The crazy Cabalgata, if there was ever a reason to go to the Feria de Flores is no more. Too many horses stressed out and dying or something like that.

I was in Medellin during the Feria last year and attended the parade with all the crowds and craziness with a chica and it was one hell of an experience in a cool way. I like crowds, but it was definitely freaking packed. Trying to get out of there hailing a taxi, good luck with that. I'll be there again starting this weekend and I was able to book an apt without a huge price increase (10% at most I'll say, no way it's 100% Chica prices don't change unless you let it and yes most will have family obligations, but I imagine that it's only for a day or two. Similar to the obligatory Thanksgiving family dinner and then it's back to gringo land. I'll be at the mansion this weekend with a first timer fellow chino of mine and then off to apt. I'll throw in a quick TR by then. Cheers!

[QUOTE=Hioctane;1598015]Rentals are not that bad in Medellin. Unlike Rio. They usually increase rates only by about 10%. Chicas will charge the same. However, you should definitely book way in advance during this time.[/QUOTE]

Just my view.

[QUOTE=Bijou;1597951]Can anyone that is experienced in living / visiting MDE during the flower festival give any input on:

1. availability / prices of girls in clubs, casas, la mayorista during this time?
A.G
Same as any other time but more tourists and business people in town.

2. business hours / entrance fees for casas and clubs stay the same during this time?
A.G.
Yep.

3. would this be a good or bad time to go to MDE for the first time when taking in to account the crowds / traffic during this time?
A.G.
The best time, equal to Halloween but the Feria de las Florist is over 10 days or so.
Right now is Colombiamoda, a large fashion show going on for three days, the best of the best.
I was on a flight today coming back from Pereira and the plane was full of beautiful girls coming over for the CM, I don't think they were putas but hey, every girl here in Colombia has her price.

I'm considering going to MDE for the first time during the second week of August and realize that this is during the flower festival in MDE. I've read RTFF going back 2 years and really didn't get clear answers to the above questions, so anybody care to help?
A.G
Ive tried.

A.G.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bijou;1597951]Can anyone that is experienced in living / visiting MDE during the flower festival give any input on:

1. availability / prices of girls in clubs, casas, la mayorista during this time?

2. business hours / entrance fees for casas and clubs stay the same during this time?

3. would this be a good or bad time to go to MDE for the first time when taking in to account the crowds / traffic during this time?

I'm considering going to MDE for the first time during the second week of August and realize that this is during the flower festival in MDE. I've read RTFF going back 2 years and really didn't get clear answers to the above questions, so anybody care to help?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Hey Bijou,

If you are coming during the second week of August you shouldn't be affected by The Flower Festival much, if at all. If I am not mistaken the parade is on August 10th the final day.

If it were my first trip, and I was looking at Medellin as a destination and it fell during these dates, I would still go. You will notice the event is going on but will only be affected in minor ways, if at all.

This is just a minor tax to be paid for tourists visiting during this time. Many people visit during this time for legitimate reasons while tourists pay a tax and receive little benefit.

The only reason this event stands out is because there is nothing notable in Medellin. If this event was in Miami there would be minimal interest.

I don't see any difference in Medellin year round. Lots of uneducated, poor people that want to work. Lots of hot girls and not enough jobs to pay the bills. Round and round the record goes.

Other than a day here and a day there, the working girls are still around and aren't hard to find.

Thanks to all that gave responses to my question regarding MDE during the flower festival. Since the festival ends on August 10 and I am planning to arrive in BOG on the 6th, I will probably go check out some other cities first and then get to MDE around the 11th or 12th because I would like to spend a few days exploring the MDE scene.

Again thanks for the useful feedback.

Had a blast last trip heading for MDE the week of the 28th till 2nd than off to Santa Marta region for a few days for some beach action. Anyone looking for a running buddy that week hit me up.

[QUOTE=SailorJim;1596741]Catching up on posts and I know this was a while ago but let's face it. All of your posts those two months, well, you are selling something here. You have a massage place with a happy ending but you don't post the intel, making people PM you and divulge their email. Why? Every post where a guy get's laid with little effort and little $ you are saying, "That's not the norm! It costs a lot, that guy probably looks like Brad Pitt, etc etc". 'Or "Go to Asia if you want to pay cheap prices, etc. ".

Lets face it: You are putting guys in contact with "your girls" like David 33 in Lima, getting a cut or something out of it as these girls charge through the roof. Your posts about how expensive things are are just to get readers (new readers most likely) of this forum into the mindset of paying big bucks in order to sell "your girls".[/QUOTE]First of all, David33 DOES NOT RECEIVE A CUT FROM THE GIRLS. He doesn't "get things" out of the girls even. I would share a story to illustrate this, but I am increasingly wary of sharing anything here.

Secondly, Dealdo will deliver information via email and if that is how he decides to do it, that is his choice. You can make a dummy email address in ten seconds if you are worried about it. I will say that when I talked to him, the girls he referred me to were definitely pros (not exactly billed as such) but whatever. I am not one to fuss over distinctions such as non-pro, semi-pro and pro. This is not the Olympics.

[QUOTE=CJackSparrow;1599105]Hmmm, Jesus, can a old fart be paranoid!

I trust SailorJim 100%.

These guys are not our friends, they want to profit on us normal guys.

Why put such strong effort on denying a thing that is so obvious.

Incognito these guys make money without lifting a finger. It's the perfect crime. No identity, no tax, no nothing. Just pure $$ flowing from us normal guys that just want to have a good time!

I agree 100% with SailorJim on this one. We normal guys could have made it. Easily!

But we have ethics![/QUOTE]Will you shut the fuck up, you drunk, illiterate sack of cocks? Who is an "old fart?" LOL. I thought you already knew my age since you PM'ed me on some creep shit saying you'd been poking around my Facebook to defend the honour of some crafty Paisa who wanted your million pesos. You are a weird, creepy, likely drunk and almost certainly mentally ill person. If I see you in the street, you better duck, motherfucker.

In a related matter, this is my last post on ISG. It's been cool knowing (some of) you.

Hey guys,

Posted a while back on me getting out there for the first time ever. Thanks for the tips and those that messaged me. Great info. I'll keep it simple on this question, but I am in the process of booking and wondering which area is ideal for.

1. Comfort.

2. Close to the action.

3. Safe.

4. Girl friendly.

I see options for laureles, el poblado and estadio.

Also, how is the weather in September and October. I see that the cost of travel is significantly lower those months.

[QUOTE=SlickVick;1599411]Hey guys,

Posted a while back on me getting out there for the first time ever. Thanks for the tips and those that messaged me. Great info. I'll keep it simple on this question, but I am in the process of booking and wondering which area is ideal for.

1. Comfort.
[/QUOTE]Can't go wrong with any of the location options you mentioned.

[QUOTE=SlickVick;1599411]
2. Close to the action.
[/QUOTE]Sort of a misnomer since most of the time you are having the action come to you. Are you referring to Casas or Strip Clubs?

[QUOTE=SlickVick;1599411]
3. Safe.
[/QUOTE]You should be good to go with either of the three locations you mentioned.

[QUOTE=SlickVick;1599411]
4. Girl friendly.
[/QUOTE]You won't have any problems if you are staying in an apartment. I do not know of any girl friendly hotels because I do not stay in them.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1599439]Can't go wrong with any of the location options you mentioned.

Sort of a misnomer since most of the time you are having the action come to you. Are you referring to Casas or Strip Clubs?

You should be good to go with either of the three locations you mentioned.

You won't have any problems if you are staying in an apartment. I do not know of any girl friendly hotels because I do not stay in them.[/QUOTE]Savepros, thanks. Yes I am referring to casas and strip clubs. I would typically rather go to strip clubs and have the action come to me.

What source is a good way to go for getting an apartment and any recommendations?

Being a first timer, you can RTFF but sometimes it seems the cabbies can get you where you need to be. How open is it out there that you get in a cab and say get me to the best strip joint, bar, place to meet girls etc. ?

Also, I'm pretty laid back and wouldn't mind hanging out at a nice lounge and try my luck with civvies. That will be one of my goals this trip.

[QUOTE=SlickVick;1599462]Savepros, thanks. Yes I am referring to casas and strip clubs. I would typically rather go to strip clubs and have the action come to me.

What source is a good way to go for getting an apartment and any recommendations?[/QUOTE][URL]http://www.pobladorentals.com/index.php?f=2&mid=1[/URL]

The owner is a member of this forum (BBrocs). Just send him a PM and he'll set you up. Hopefully you know a good amount of Spanish or have your own guide to get around because he does not do any hand-holding.

If this is your first time going to Medellin, then I would recommend you stay at Hotel Medellin Plaza. The WILL hold your hand, LOL. Read my post which is a quick overview of the place. The forum is acting screwy again, so posting the link to it won't help as it will not take you directly to the post. But I posted it on 01-06-14 in THIS forum, and it is post #13608.

[QUOTE=SlickVick;1599527]Being a first timer, you can RTFF but sometimes it seems the cabbies can get you where you need to be. How open is it out there that you get in a cab and say get me to the best strip joint, bar, place to meet girls etc. ?
[/QUOTE]

Find the Medellin Chica Guide posted by WorldTravel 69 in the Medellin List forum. It has a list of recommended drivers. You are going to have to take the time to dig for it because it gets buried under other posts.

It would be good if there was a refresh of the recommended drivers listed though. Some may not still be available; some may have started off good and are now terrible, etc.

This was a pure ten.

Price 130.000.

I added (afterwards and very happy 70.000 for BBBJ and the superb service).

Yes I would repeat everyday!

She is stunning, tall 170-, 175 with tacones. Big firm breasts, good curves, much flesh, but not fat, like an Colombian brunnette Marilyn Monroe.

SHe did blaha bla about oral and erxtra. I asked on the phone " hmm, I must ask, I know you donåt a lday so, but, can I get BBBJ for a propina. Yes, of course, she replied".

This is not usual among the upperclass babes.

BBBJ was suberb. Everything was great!

She has a mate in the apartment: [URL]http://masajistaspaisas.com/danna-apartamento-poblado-nueva-prepagos-100922.html[/URL].

I must say that Karol looked much better in real life than on photos. And THAT is unusual!!

Must see Danna also. Maybe will have novia soon. So mja, ending my Putonero carreer.

[QUOTE=CJackSparrow;1600422]This was a pure ten.

Price 130.000.

I added (afterwards and very happy 70.000 for BBBJ and the superb service).

Yes I would repeat everyday!

She is stunning, tall 170-, 175 with tacones. Big firm breasts, good curves, much flesh, but not fat, like an Colombian brunnette Marilyn Monroe.

SHe did blaha bla about oral and erxtra. I asked on the phone " hmm, I must ask, I know you dont a lday so, but, can I get BBBJ for a propina. Yes, of course, she replied".

This is not usual among the upperclass babes.

BBBJ was suberb. Everything was great!

She has a mate in the apartment: [URL]http://masajistaspaisas.com/danna-apartamento-poblado-nueva-prepagos-100922.html[/URL].

I must say that Karol looked much better in real life than on photos. And THAT is unusual!!

Must see Danna also. Maybe will have novia soon. So mja, ending my Putonero carreer.[/QUOTE]Thank you and thank you. Finally a report on the reports thread. That too of top shelf quality. Nice.

Savepros and others that have given some advice. Thanks.

I have been researching the site as well as others in general. I have seen some photos and places that have me think I just might get hooked on this place!

I am hooked on Tijuana but am ready to expand a bit further. Oddly enough living in the midwest depending on the time I go, I can get to Colombia for only about $80 more than I can to San Diego.

I might make this a new favorite if it goes well. Even though I really love the ease and atmosphere of Tijuana.

I have read the best route to hook up with girls is to go is FB but I have found that to be challenging. I have read the replies to this question before so I won't bother asking again but unless you have made an initial connection by being there it isn't that easy.

On the other hand, I have found some escort agencies that I would imagine are much better and easier. Prices seem a little more than I thought but still fair. Is there any one in particular that is recommended? I am much more an escort to the room that a casas type of guy.

I have already looked into apartment rentals and that is MUCH more what I have in mind than a regular hotel.

I am going solo but am considering a rental with a BBQ as I am a huge grilling watching sports kind of guy. I'd love to go to a grocery store, get some steaks, brews and have a girl over for a great afternoon. Hopefully I can meet one that is economical and willing to accomadate. I would imagine it would be a girl met on the street as opposed to an agency.

This is getting more exciting by the minute.

[QUOTE=SlickVick;1600730]Savepros and others that have given some advice. Thanks.

I have been researching the site as well as others in general. I have seen some photos and places that have me think I just might get hooked on this place!

I am hooked on Tijuana but am ready to expand a bit further. Oddly enough living in the midwest depending on the time I go, I can get to Colombia for only about $80 more than I can to San Diego.

I might make this a new favorite if it goes well. Even though I really love the ease and atmosphere of Tijuana.

I have read the best route to hook up with girls is to go is FB but I have found that to be challenging. I have read the replies to this question before so I won't bother asking again but unless you have made an initial connection by being there it isn't that easy.

On the other hand, I have found some escort agencies that I would imagine are much better and easier. Prices seem a little more than I thought but still fair. Is there any one in particular that is recommended? I am much more an escort to the room that a casas type of guy.

I have already looked into apartment rentals and that is MUCH more what I have in mind than a regular hotel.

I am going solo but am considering a rental with a BBQ as I am a huge grilling watching sports kind of guy. I'd love to go to a grocery store, get some steaks, brews and have a girl over for a great afternoon. Hopefully I can meet one that is economical and willing to accomadate. I would imagine it would be a girl met on the street as opposed to an agency.

This is getting more exciting by the minute.[/QUOTE]A day or two with this guy might help you get oriented [URL]www.colombiajake.com[/URL].

[QUOTE=SlickVick;1600730]Savepros and others that have given some advice. Thanks.

I have been researching the site as well as others in general. I have seen some photos and places that have me think I just might get hooked on this place!

I am hooked on Tijuana but am ready to expand a bit further. Oddly enough living in the midwest depending on the time I go, I can get to Colombia for only about $80 more than I can to San Diego.

I might make this a new favorite if it goes well. Even though I really love the ease and atmosphere of Tijuana.

I have read the best route to hook up with girls is to go is FB but I have found that to be challenging. I have read the replies to this question before so I won't bother asking again but unless you have made an initial connection by being there it isn't that easy..[/QUOTE]Tijuana is great and I actually prefer it to Medellin for the short-term mongering. I found the escorts more friendly and Calle Revolucion is amazing. For living though, Medellin is clearly the winner though I don't know how you're getting tickets for just $80 more than San Diego. For me it was about three times as much plus the extra 8 hours flight time but no matter.

I've had the same experience with FB. It's a waste of time. Many of the girls have no experience and think they can make a quick buck. Half will not show up for a date and they'll expect two or three times as much for crappy performance.

The escort agencies are hit and miss. Most are no better than the girls in the casas or clubs and will cost twice as much. Best bet is to try out an hour and then try taking the best out for a date some time.

For the short-timer just visiting, I recommend getting an account on some of the dating sites. Talk to a few girls around a month ahead of coming. Let them know that you are planning a trip and looking for someone to show you around. This will line you up with a few non-pro girls to go out and spend some time. Don't expect sex unless they are obviously prepagos. When you get here, there are plenty of casas and strip clubs to pick up professionals. If you want, you can take them out as well but it will cost you more than a regular girl. Not everyone's strategy but I liked (when I only came for visits) the difference in company.

[QUOTE=TweedleD;1504106][url]Http://www.colombiajake.com/[/url][/QUOTE]I really don't believe there are guys who have no interest in ever meeting someone to fall in love with, but rather Monger like me during the in between times which can be long periods. By all means lets hammer away until the day some lucky lady arrives! I have met hard monger guys who claim they have no interest in anything more, but having the same mentality even if its a fresh set of legs everyday is still the same old same old. Having a balance I think is Ideal, and by that I mean I'm here to make sure you get lot of tail first and foremost, but I also hope you have an open mind to letting something more happen if it comes together too. I've gone to the other extreme for the last 6 months of being too focused on my relationship which has become the same old same old, but I think its time to balance things out with some solid mongering!

Colombia Jake

I've been to all of these countries and have to agree completely that Ukraine is 1. I just spent two weeks there and am about to go back soon for a month. I would put Colombia / Venezuela higher on the list than certainly Italy and Argentina. But its a pretty decent list for sure.

[QUOTE=Turgid;1594166]"They are not bad looking, and a few of them look gorgeous. But in any countries, there will be some beautiful ladies. Probably, this is a matter of taste. ".

From my travels my rating of the ten countries with the most beautiful women worldwide is as follows, starting with the most beautiful:

(1) Ukraine.

(2) Russia.

(3) Sweden.

(4) Italy.

(5) Argentina.

(6) Japan.

(7) Brazil.

(8) Colombia.

(9) Venezuela.

(10) China.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SailorJim;1596741]Lets face it: You are putting guys in contact with "your girls" like David 33 in Lima, getting a cut or something out of it as these girls charge through the roof. [/QUOTE]I just read this. Do I know you? Have you been to Peru? Have you experienced that the girls I know "charge through the roof? Have you personally met anyone who said I make money or get freebees? Do you have a problem with a forum member helping out other guys and not asking for anything in return? ISG members help me out when I travel to other countries. That's good enough for me.

[QUOTE=MdeJohn;1600941]Tijuana is great and I actually prefer it to Medellin for the short-term mongering. I found the escorts more friendly and Calle Revolucion is amazing. For living though, Medellin is clearly the winner though I don't know how you're getting tickets for just $80 more than San Diego. For me it was about three times as much plus the extra 8 hours flight time but no matter.

I've had the same experience with FB. It's a waste of time. Many of the girls have no experience and think they can make a quick buck. Half will not show up for a date and they'll expect two or three times as much for crappy performance.

The escort agencies are hit and miss. Most are no better than the girls in the casas or clubs and will cost twice as much. Best bet is to try out an hour and then try taking the best out for a date some time.

For the short-timer just visiting, I recommend getting an account on some of the dating sites. Talk to a few girls around a month ahead of coming. Let them know that you are planning a trip and looking for someone to show you around. This will line you up with a few non-pro girls to go out and spend some time. Don't expect sex unless they are obviously prepagos. When you get here, there are plenty of casas and strip clubs to pick up professionals. If you want, you can take them out as well but it will cost you more than a regular girl. Not everyone's strategy but I liked (when I only came for visits) the difference in company.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the advice. It certainly saves a lot of time. I actually looked into going the dating site route, but on colombian cupid dot com, they ask for a legit photo I'd. I am not sure about all of that.

I like to mix it up and someone to show me around isn't a bad idea. I want to explore the city as much as I want to explore the girls in it!

If all else fails I can always do the strip club scene.

Like any other method, finding chicas on facebook can be hit or miss. I've had decent success finding a couple of chicas who are not part of the Mansion / FB crew. They are a little less jaded, a little less costosa and a little less"trianed" which can be both good and bad. One or two also had the common sense to realize that they could leverage their contact with me and my friends into fun and profit for them and their friends.

I've found that the best approach with the FB chicas is to begin to establish a bit of connection with brief chats in the months before a visit. Then, a week or two before you travel, speak frankly with them about what you are looking for. A few will be offended but none will be shocked. This isn't the US. Also, if a couple get pissed off at you who cares? Best to find out who is game before you arrive and waste time. I usually am only in MED for a week. I don't have the time or patience to try to date non working girls.

[QUOTE=David_33;1601255]I just read this. Do I know you? Have you been to Peru? Have you experienced that the girls I know "charge through the roof? Have you personally met anyone who said I make money or get freebees? Do you have a problem with a forum member helping out other guys and not asking for anything in return? ISG members help me out when I travel to other countries. That's good enough for me.[/QUOTE]David just ignore him. There have been too many reports over the years of what you have done for others. With the internet, people can say anything anonymously. Some posters cannot understand that some people are generous souls and like to help others. They will likely never understand and that is their problem, not yours.

PapiQrico,

Friend me on Facebook. I want to get into this leveraging business too. LOL.

P. s: just kidding ya.

[QUOTE=PapiQueRico;1601367]Like any other method, finding chicas on facebook can be hit or miss. I've had decent success finding a couple of chicas who are not part of the Mansion / FB crew. They are a little less jaded, a little less costosa and a little less"trianed" which can be both good and bad. One or two also had the common sense to realize that they could leverage their contact with me and my friends into fun and profit for them and their friends.

I've found that the best approach with the FB chicas is to begin to establish a bit of connection with brief chats in the months before a visit. Then, a week or two before you travel, speak frankly with them about what you are looking for. A few will be offended but none will be shocked. This isn't the US. Also, if a couple get pissed off at you who cares? Best to find out who is game before you arrive and waste time. I usually am only in MED for a week. I don't have the time or patience to try to date non working girls.[/QUOTE]

Hit Aiffe about 11 am only 3 girls all about 6's didn't feel like hiking all over the place so I settled for 1 37 k for 30 minutes plus 20 k propina for lame BBBJ. Explored the streets of centro there was very little talent, went back to crash pad at Alacaravan walked around the corner found a doable duo negotiated 30 k each with lezbo show got them a small bottle of fire water and 10 k each propina for BBBJ total damage under 100 k. Girls were about 6's as well but I did have a good time and lezbo show was good both 20 yos one blonde with glasses thin nice natural B cups other black hair average build. Going to step up tomorrow and hit something nicer.

11 am may be a little too early for the casas. Glad to hear about the actions at Mayorista.

[QUOTE=DrWasabee;1601450]Hit Aiffe about 11 am only 3 girls all about 6's didn't feel like hiking all over the place so I settled for 1 37 k for 30 minutes plus 20 k propina for lame BBBJ. Explored the streets of centro there was very little talent, went back to crash pad at Alacaravan walked around the corner found a doable duo negotiated 30 k each with lezbo show got them a small bottle of fire water and 10 k each propina for BBBJ total damage under 100 k. Girls were about 6's as well but I did have a good time and lezbo show was good both 20 yos one blonde with glasses thin nice natural B cups other black hair average build. Going to step up tomorrow and hit something nicer.[/QUOTE].

Hotel Medellin Plaza has been sold to Hotel M.

A. G.

[QUOTE=AussieGreg;1601832]Hotel Medellin Plaza has been sold to Hotel M.

A. G.[/QUOTE]You guys sold it to yourself?

Had an early dental appointment afterwards went to check out club de Amigas paid the 2 k viewing tax checked out the line up of 6 went with Samantha seemed like she had a nice rack but when se undid her top the tits flopped down oh well, upgraded to BBBJ for 20 k total service was ok total damage 57 k. Later on after dinner I took a quick walk around the corner of the Alcaravan saw about 20+ girls ranging from 3's to 7's ended up meeting Natalie couldn't resist it was just too convenient nice looking dirty blonde wouldn't go for BBBJ so just went with a regular session 40 k hopefully tomorrow I'll check something different out.

Just completed a very enjoyable three week visit to Medellin. I really love this city. Basically I made multiple visits to three casas, Energy, New Life and Abydos. Even so there was talent in all three casas that I wanted to sample but could not because time did not permit. It appears to me that the women of Medellin have gotten even more beautiful than what I recall from my previous visit a few years ago. Every day I was astounded by some amazingly gorgeous hotties on the streets. As solid as the talent was in the casas they come no way near what one sees walking the calles and carreras. The really hot Paisas do not go anywhere near the casas, clubs or escort agencies. In spite of this the pros are hotter than those of most other cities; what a country!

Sometime I read about Face2! What is this precisey? Is it like Facebook?

[QUOTE=FoxesHunter;1602071]Sometime I read about Face2! What is this precisey? Is it like Facebook?[/QUOTE]It's a strip joint, with short time rooms beside it.

BD

No, but we still hang out here!!

A. G.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;1601856]You guys sold it to yourself?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FoxesHunter;1602071]Sometime I read about Face2! What is this precisey? Is it like Facebook?[/QUOTE]Fase Dos is a mid-level strip joint located near Premium Plaza Mall in the Barrio Colombia neighborhood. It is near the monger-friendly Liquid (Lounge) Strip plus popular dance / reggaeton clubs like Karma and Luxury. Probably every taxi driver that comes thru the Poblado / Lleras area will know how to get there.

I am attaching exterior photos from August 2013.

[QUOTE=AussieGreg;1601832]Hotel Medellin Plaza has been sold to Hotel M.

A. G.[/QUOTE]How will this impact (if at all) guests with current reservations?

Thanks,

Lobby

[QUOTE=AussieGreg;1601832]Hotel Medellin Plaza has been sold to Hotel M.

A. G.[/QUOTE]Are there any changes with the new owners?

Is this maybe why I haven't received a reply to my reservation request via the website?

[QUOTE=TweedleD;1600862]A day or two with this guy might help you get oriented [URL]www.colombiajake.com[/URL].[/QUOTE]Wow what an incredible day yesterday! After deciding to open up to a little extra loving on the side, I went out to my old hunting ground on the metro! After riding up and grabbing a number, I got off at Acevado station and of course found another chica on top of the stairs. Another when I got back on and rode to the end could have kept going but, I remembered I had my happy ending message girl coming to my Hotel at 4 30 pm. Great naked message ensued and yes, I had to tell her a few times what I wanted and what areas I wanted her naked body to work which she was happy to incorporate followed by a light touch all over the area she had just completed just fabulous! During this time I had to break a few times to complete the back and forth via WhatsApp with a new date for the night named Maria Jose. Special artsy girl who has traveled a few times to Peru and speaks some English. Wow guys she had not shown interest when I met her three years ago but the boyfriend is finished, and she needs some college money as well as takes care of her older mother who can't work anymore. The new beautiful body and the complete inhibition which is so incredible compared to all those years with all those stiff American girls and the newness after being just with my girlfriend for so long was out of sight! Come experience the Happy ending cute message girl and Jose Maria here she is [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ccyt8E3jHw[/URL] Right at 4 minutes in is an interview with a guy named Henry Lou that had me laughing and she kept asking me why am I laughing so hard! One of those things she wouldn't understand but dude is definitely whacked funny! Come hang with me here in Medellin and let me put you through the message and hot girl treatment.

Colombia Jake

Sorry, I am a newbie, will be in Medellin in 48 hour.

I can not go back to long thread since 2006 because of time issue.

Last time somewhere in 2006, it did mention Loutron was moving to a new location.

My question is it is still open or close? And what is the current location?

Thank you

I was on my way to el centro via metro to check out a Casa or two when I spotted this girl on the metro I thought she might have been checking me out but couldn't tell because she was wearing sunglasses as luck had it she got off at Centro as well. I figured I kinda stalked her for a minute getting up my courage to talk to her thought WTF I'll give it a shot oh by the way my Spanish is pretty lousy but I had my IPad mini with me and used a translation app. Walked around with her for a bit and was trying to get a feel for weather she was a working girl or not she told me she lived in a village which was a two hour bus ride away from one of the metro stops. Anyways this girls was just my type a little spinner 21 yo very cute she agreed to come to my place to spend the night no money was discussed however I did offer to buy her an outfit set me back 35 k and took her out to dinner we came back to my place and went at it. She is still here by my side sleeping wow I love Colombia. And the ironic thing is that her name is Maria Jose the same name but a diiferent girl that CJ just reported on.

You need to back up you're fairy tales with photos!

Those of us who been to Medellin don't pull an iPad mini out in the open in el centro!

I highly doubt it if ANYONE other than newbies believe your tales!

[QUOTE=DrWasabee;1602317]I was on my way to el centro via metro to check out a Casa or two when I spotted this girl on the metro I thought she might have been checking me out but couldn't tell because she was wearing sunglasses as luck had it she got off at Centro as well. I figured I kinda stalked her for a minute getting up my courage to talk to her thought WTF I'll give it a shot oh by the way my Spanish is pretty lousy but I had my IPad mini with me and used a translation app. Walked around with her for a bit and was trying to get a feel for weather she was a working girl or not she told me she lived in a village which was a two hour bus ride away from one of the metro stops. Anyways this girls was just my type a little spinner 21 yo very cute she agreed to come to my place to spend the night no money was discussed however I did offer to buy her an outfit set me back 35 k and took her out to dinner we came back to my place and went at it. She is still here by my side sleeping wow I love Colombia. And the ironic thing is that her name is Maria Jose the same name but a diiferent girl that CJ just reported on.[/QUOTE]

I just had supersex with Geraldine in my Laureles apartment.

She is an awesome, delicious, pretty girl, Charlize Theron 8/9 of 10, as in The Devils Advocate 1997, with permanent curly hair, supercute and, as girls can be here, mature for her 18 years.

I will walk the line, I will go for it, Hagale!.

Geraldine has the best best ratio thin waist / hardass / muscular aerobics legs I have ever been familiar with. No surgery. And no need for it.

Well this happend in Medellin, but she is invited from Villavicencio.

She has been to Cartagena recently, without her family or amigas, hence she is used to meet middleage men like me, despite of her age she feels very natural to socialize with.

She is in it for adventure I think, while I'm in love.

I mean she is ever better than Yeraldin, my x-prepago friend here in Medellin, which I consider to be the most sexy of all girls in Latinamerica since 2003, I mean of all 3-400 and +20 girlfriends and amigas con derechos.

Geraldine 8. 8 points, Yeraldin 8. 77 points. That is Ass Good Ass It Gets. For me it is.

Internet has brought many disasters in my way, but also a lot of good things. I take the risks, since if I do, I hope to meet that Perfect 10, in my world she already is.

Geraldine might be The last One. But problably she is here as part of her "training".

Supersex, for free! .

Fantastico! Genial!

[QUOTE=BrasilSoccer0;1602383]You need to back up you're fairy tales with photos!

Those of us who been to Medellin don't pull an iPad mini out in the open in el centro!

I highly doubt it if ANYONE other than newbies believe your tales![/QUOTE]While I was using my IPad the girl kept telling me to put it away and offered to put it in her bag for a minute I thought she might have been trying to steal it from me I didn't think much of it they had a parade going on for the festival giving out flowers and there were plenty of cops I did not feel threatened. I do know a couple people here so I have no reason to post a bogus story. I might post a pic but wasn't sure if it was appropriate sine I saw someone get flamed for posting a pic of a girl off Colombia Cupid anyway she is still with me now and will spend the day again with me and is actually going with me to my dentist appointment in Palamas afterwards not sure what to do if your in town I'll introduce you to her and even buy you a beer and you can witness this fine gem for yourself.

[b][i]loma de los balsos.[/b][ / i] south east of the rio medellin.

1. [b]* loutron,[/b] calle 16 a sur # 9 e-500, it is across from the paint ball game place on tessorro above the los balsos roundabout. just down a little bit from the speed bump. they built a new wooden gate. it's a one lane driveway to the top. you cannot see the house from the street. it is about a half mile higher up the road from the old location. 10-16 chicas. prices: cover 10 k, beer 10 k, chicas 130 k 20 min. 160 k 30 min. 210 k hour. 250 k 90 min. tel: 444 42 04, cell 313-230-2756. hours: monday to thursday noon to 11 pm, friday to saturday noon to 9 pm.

[url]https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=utf8&authuser=0&oe=utf8&msa=0&msid=206810231178282017429.000494779e6b2fb07f4d4&dg=feature[/url]

[quote=rocktimes;1602291]sorry, i am a newbie, will be in medellin in 48 hour.

i can not go back to long thread since 2006 because of time issue.

last time somewhere in 2006, it did mention loutron was moving to a new location.

my question is it is still open or close? and what is the current location?

thank you[/quote]

Here is a picture not exposing her face she is even wearing the outfit I got her well here's a good fairy tale for you: Brazil wins the next World Cup LOL.

This link at the bottom is interesting, but it is a little off.

[B][i]El Poblado[/B][/i].

[B]Lejano Orinte,[/B] Carrera 31 N #16-190. 25+ Chicas. Prices: __k 30 min. , __k hour.

Tel: 312 867 31 95,312 303 96 51,312 254 32 32. Hours: 9 am to 6 pm.

[URL]http://colombia.adultsearch.com/medellin/erotic-massage-parlor[/URL]

[QUOTE=David_33;1601255]I just read this. Do I know you? Have you been to Peru? Have you experienced that the girls I know "charge through the roof? Have you personally met anyone who said I make money or get freebees? Do you have a problem with a forum member helping out other guys and not asking for anything in return? ISG members help me out when I travel to other countries. That's good enough for me.[/QUOTE]Note. I traveled to Peru David 33 helped me out not once but 3 times and all my friends to. He asked for nothing in return. The girl charged no more or no less then girls we found on perutops. Trashing a guy for helping, makes that person not want to help.

I was not put up to this or even asked I am just telling you my story from traveling to Lima years 2006-2008.

Thanks David from all of us. If you ever come to Medellin I will more then do the same for you...

[QUOTE=Bbrocs;1602675]Note. I traveled to Peru David 33 helped me out not once but 3 times and all my friends to. He asked for nothing in return. The girl charged no more or no less then girls we found on perutops. Trashing a guy for helping, makes that person not want to help.

I was not put up to this or even asked I am just telling you my story from traveling to Lima years 2006-2008.

Thanks David from all of us. If you ever come to Medellin I will more then do the same for you...[/QUOTE]Its the expression "methinks thou dost protest too much".

BB, he spends so much time telling everyone "he makes nothing" that he is either a paranoid pimp or the most timid sex board member in history.

[QUOTE=DrWasabee;1602557]Here is a picture not exposing her face she is even wearing the outfit I got her well here's a good ferry tale for you Brazil wins the next World Cup LOL.[/QUOTE]My friend, this girl seems to have a flat butt. Nothing to brag about in Medellin. Doesn't match the discription you gave.

You are in a place abundant with nice butts everywhere. Here is a sample of what a paisa body looks like:

Onion booty.

Yeraldin needs some money for her studies so I offered her yesterday to have sex with my new friend Geraldine. I think we can agree on 200 k COP for a full service, both parties happy, no clock no nothing distracting.

Then just minutes ago Geraldine, who yet no has druged me with Scopolamine, asked if I had a sexual fantasy. I told her about Yeraldin. She wanted to do it with her after seeing her fotos.

So now I can have 2 Geraldine (Geraldine & Yeraldin) at home now and then.

It will not be for free, but including everything, and the good circumstances, the very best deal I can get.

This is the result of WORK. I have strived for getting this for a long time.

This girls are not just "aerobicsgirls", they are my friends and I can relax in their company. I can have a "friend with benefits" relationship with both.

Of course I would want a family, but this is better to have as a romantic dream than as a reality.

Many paisa, brazilian argentine friends are even more open with their choises to not have, or postpone (for life, hiih), to family, than americans or europeans are.

Here kids can be the cost and responsibility that in the end creates the difference between a prosperous life and relative poverty.

Well. Yes, it is a result of work, not my beauty!

If you really want a Perfect 10, or as close as you can get, then there will be a lot of failures before you get there. You need to learn Spanish, where and how to approach these girls. I have made so many mistakes along the way.

[QUOTE=CJackSparrow;1602752]Yeraldin needs some money for her studies so I offered her yesterday to have sex with my new friend Geraldine. I think we can agree on 200 k COP for a full service, both parties happy, no clock no nothing distracting.

Then just minutes ago Geraldine, who yet no has druged me with Scopolamine, asked if I had a sexual fantasy. I told her about Yeraldin. She wanted to do it with her after seeing her fotos.

So now I can have 2 Geraldine (Geraldine & Yeraldin) at home now and then.

It will not be for free, but including everything, and the good circumstances, the very best deal I can get.

This is the result of WORK. I have strived for getting this for a long time...[/QUOTE]Geraldine is the, first Paisa I ever, meet who is bitchy and has a foul mouth, always fuck, shit fucking this and that. She has fucked hundreds or disgusting Johns and has been used and abused I have no idea why anyone would consider her above average. She is ruined by gringos, you must be new to Medellin or desperate my friend. You should really look around more there are many girl next door types who will rock your world. Just saying.

[QUOTE=DrWasabee;1602557]Here is a picture not exposing her face she is even wearing the outfit I got her well here's a good ferry tale for you Brazil wins the next World Cup LOL.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the pic amigo!

Good for you!

Ignore the critics, it's not a contest, it's about the chemestry and enjoyment!

Have fun!

[QUOTE=BrasilSoccer0;1602745]My friend, this girl seems to have a flat butt. Nothing to brag about in Medellin. Doesn't match the discription you gave.

You are in a place abundant with nice butts everywhere. Here is a sample of what a paisa body looks like:[/QUOTE]Doesn't match my description "a cute little spinner" how is that? Now go back to troll land while I put you on ignore.

[QUOTE=CJackSparrow;1602403]I just had supersex with Geraldine in my Laureles apartment.

She is an awesome, delicious, pretty girl, Charlize Theron 8/9 of 10, as in The Devils Advocate 1997, with permanent curly hair, supercute and, as girls can be here, mature for her 18 years.

I will walk the line, I will go for it, Hagale!.

Geraldine has the best best ratio thin waist / hardass / muscular aerobics legs I have ever been familiar with. No surgery. And no need for it.

Well this happend in Medellin, but she is invited from Villavicencio.

She has been to Cartagena recently, without her family or amigas, hence she is used to meet middleage men like me, despite of her age she feels very natural to socialize with.

She is in it for adventure I think, while I'm in love.

I mean she is ever better than Yeraldin, my x-prepago friend here in Medellin, which I consider to be the most sexy of all girls in Latinamerica since 2003, I mean of all 3-400 and +20 girlfriends and amigas con derechos.

Geraldine 8. 8 points, Yeraldin 8. 77 points. That is Ass Good Ass It Gets. For me it is.

Internet has brought many disasters in my way, but also a lot of good things. I take the risks, since if I do, I hope to meet that Perfect 10, in my world she already is.

Geraldine might be The last One. But problably she is here as part of her "training".

Supersex, for free! .

Fantastico! Genial![/QUOTE]Another Yeraldine? This is one of our recent recruits at Liquid, but she just took a week off to go to Cartagena, so maybe it's the same one. She assured me it was ok to post her pics. She's an absolute sweetheart, and has the nicest pair of natural breast I think I've ever seen. I have better shots on the private Liquid site, and a spectacular strip tease video, but the video file size was too big to uploa here.

My Geraldine & Yeraldin.

Photos of Geraldine & Yeraldin.

[QUOTE=DrWasabee;1602557]Here is a picture not exposing her face she is even wearing the outfit I got her well here's a good ferry tale for you Brazil wins the next World Cup LOL.[/QUOTE]Hey man, I'm jealous of you.

Just said goodbye to Maria she spent a couple nights couldn't really get a feel for what her deal was I guess I would consider her semi pro most definitely considered her GFE. This is not the norm for me I usually run and gun from one place to another but considering she was just my type and I met her at an opportune time since I was solo on this trip and started getting a little bored between sessions although my Spanish is pretty lame and she barely spoke any English I enjoyed having her around. I am not new to this game and know at 52 I'm not likely to land a 21 yo hottie like her on just my good looks and charm even though no money was discussed I wasn't sure what to leave her with as a parting gift. While with me I got her 2 outfits her hair done and some beauty supply's about 150 k didn't want to be to generous or to cheap I figured 200 k was a fair number and handed her that and wanted to see her reaction couldn't get a good feel even though she smiled and gave me a big kiss I wanted to make sure she was happy because she was very sweet to me, so I threw in another 50 k for transportation home that got me even bigger hugs so all in all spent 400 k and was with her for about 48 hours. As for her performance nothing special but as a whole package was worth it. Now I'm off to Santa Marta for a little are&are at the beach and looking forward to coming back to Medellin.

[QUOTE=QueRico;1602758]Geraldine is the, first Paisa I ever, meet who is bitchy and has a foul mouth, always fuck, shit fucking this and that. She has fucked hundreds or disgusting Johns and has been used and abused I have no idea why anyone would consider her above average. She is ruined by gringos, you must be new to Medellin or desperate my friend. You should really look around more there are many girl next door types who will rock your world. Just saying.[/QUOTE]Yeah yeah we know Rico.

Looks like, however, that he's NOT with the Geraldine you're referring too.

Got to be a gazillion Geraldines in Medellin amigo.

[QUOTE=Ricker;1603054]Yeah yeah we know Rico.

Looks like, however, that he's NOT with the Geraldine you're referring too.

Got to be a gazillion Geraldines in Medellin amigo.[/QUOTE]I realized that after the post, I stand corrected.

Did you putos know that Vivacolombia has just started flying Medellin to Panama City, also Bogota to Panama City.

Medellin to Panama City $97.00 USD.

A. G.

It has come to an end.

Geraldine is in Parque Lleras with "amigas".

Yeraldin has been spoiled by some gringo and came back strong on me with 350 mil COP demand for service to Geraldine.

Ending up solo! On a Satuday Night Live! Solo in Medellin! I had it, but I lost them both in a heartbeat!

I'm back where I stared 6 days ago. A rythm that I have followed since I came here in May.

The babe on the photos was the disappointment of the week before, Rosario, from Colombiancupid. After blaha chatting for 2 weeks she withdrew and told me Good Luck. She accepted my money for being a representative "girlfriend". Both she and Lina from Latineuro was Moneyhungry. Offering erotics and romance for $$$ was not the issue. They did not like me being Romantic. They want a tuff self-secure man. I'm not, not on the the Internet dating sites. I have been told 2 lessons, losing 2 Babes, not because of my bad looks or lacking money or anything more than not being that self-secure MAN. One has to ACT.

I touched the dream of "The 2 Geraldine" and ended up single. A disaster for me then, when I was a normal Anglo-Saxon, now, after a very intense but equally rapidly vanishing feeling of being deceived: A The RELIEF of becoming a Medellin Man once again!

Dream, dream, have it briefly, but end it before it comes anything stable with REAL FINANCIAL demands, not just the (irritating) presents, etc.

But nothing is better to illutionate yourself with new dreams of erotics and romance while living in Medellin.

Geraldine with her virgin looks and aerobics body gave me supersex. And that was it.

A Special category of girl might be Daniela. She has send a few personal photos via Whatssapp so there is a chance that she is authentic. She is an escort in Mexico, while living a life here in Medellin as "ama de casa" with her son. As an escort she is curious to come with me to Europe to work as an Escort in the capitals of Europe, using me as a base. We have a discussion but has yet come to a anything concrete result since she is escorting in Mexico, Brasil and now Ecuador. An Latin escort in Copenhagen, very similar to her, charging 300, caught her attention! That's like 750 mil COP / hs. Karol, who is equally hot at Paisasdivinas takes 130 mil COP. It is almost 6 times more!

As a Single with $$$ I might just go to the Club where the 3rd Geraldine is / thanks for the photos / and enjoy life and not get involved anymore with this "Serenes".

It has been an expensive but even more a very enjoyable ride. More beautiful girls than I ever had in my life, but it has to end.

[QUOTE=CJackSparrow;1603298]
A Special category of girl might be Daniela. She has send a few personal photos via Whatssapp so there is a chance that she is authentic. She is an escort in Mexico, while living a life here in Medellin as "ama de casa" with her son. As an escort she is curious to come with me to Europe to work as an Escort in the capitals of Europe, using me as a base. We have a discussion but has yet come to a anything concrete result since she is escorting in Mexico, Brasil and now Ecuador. An Latin escort in Copenhagen, very similar to her, charging 300, caught her attention! That's like 750 mil COP / hs. Karol, who is equally hot at Paisasdivinas takes 130 mil COP. It is almost 6 times more!

As a Single with $$$ I might just go to the Club where the 3rd Geraldine is / thanks for the photos / and enjoy life and not get involved anymore with this "Serenes".

It has been an expensive but even more a very enjoyable ride. More beautiful girls than I ever had in my life, but it has to end.[/QUOTE]Though I have to admit that I do enjoy reading of your impossible pursuit of true love with these prepagos, I believe that you are either making this up, a glutton for punishment or a fool.

You sound like a teenage girl waiting for a prom date LOL.

Your latest love adventure, the traveling prepago to Mexico, Ecuador, etc.

You say that she may be authentic.

Authentic what?

Do yourself a favor and enjoy her company, reward her affection, GFE, etc appropriately, but stop the foolishness.

Fall in love, take her to Europe?

Total disaster. For you.

Really? You have to know this or you have to be dreaming all this up.

Good luck man.

Relax, take a chill pill, enjoy life, quit looking so hard for love, especially with professionals and online.

Just maybe then something real may come about.

PS: Thanks for posting the photos. Nice.

Peace.

Jaja. Maybe his next handle should be Jean Valjean, you know, "to dream the impossible dream, to fight the unbeatable foe, to tame the untameable hoe".

Back to life. Back to reality.

Today I left that childish-roamntic shit!

New Life: Mafe:

Looks, little asian, though 100% paisa.

Very sweet and cute, sexy. Nice ass and legs, normal boring natural tits, thin waist.

Service BBBJ 40 k extra and 45 minutes. , total 90 k COP.

It was great, supberb BBBJ, it was my second time with Mafe. Felt like being in Bankock or Filipinas. Good as alternative to the big booty paisas.

Luna Lunera.

I came at 3 pm and only me and 3 girls, 2 ugly and one hot.

She was Fernanda, tall 173 cm, close to 180 cm with tacones.

No BBBJ or kisses, , but very modellike both face and body.

Though she has one kid, she felt very tight. Her face and body was very nice to watch in any position, very pornographic.

But expensive, 190 k for one hour inkl. A bottle of Soda.

Repeat at Luna Lunera, yes, but only on Payday!

[QUOTE=BeersTerry;1603442]Jaja. Maybe his next handle should be Jean Valjean, you know, "to dream the impossible dream, to fight the unbeatable foe, to tame the untameable hoe".[/QUOTE]I believe you are confusing Victor Hugo's protagonist in [I]Les miserables[/I] with Cervantes' protagonist Don Quijote, as the lyrics you quote are from the 1972 musical [I]Man of La Mancha[/I], not from Hugo's Valjean.

Flying back into Medellin on Tuesday night scheduled arrival 7:10 pm I'm leaving back home very early Wednesday morning so I booked a room by the airport. I was hoping to get some more action that night I was thinking of going to Energy I know in the list it says closes at 9:30 is that last appointment or when you have to be out by? Any suggestions or anything near the airport or some Cassa opened later would like some thing with some better than average talent.

Thanks

[QUOTE=CJackSparrow;1603576]Back to life. Back to reality.

Service BBBJ 40 k extra [/QUOTE]That is insane.

[QUOTE=Artisttyp;1603632]That is insane.[/QUOTE]Yes it is 10 k-20 over what it should be.

But the sex is worthless for me with CBJ.

Total turn-off.

The worst is not paying more, the worst if she doesn't want to give BBBJ. Then I usually continue the day until I find what I really want. Live porno POV is a must.

Please then, share with us your skills to negotionate down a BBBJ to 30 k or 20 k COP.

[QUOTE=CJackSparrow;1603681]
Please then, share with us your skills to negotionate down a BBBJ to 30 k or 20 k COP.[/QUOTE]I don't have any specific skills besides refusing to pay it.

When I first started going to MDE girls were happy with a 5/10 k tip for BBBJ.

[QUOTE=CJackSparrow;1603576]Service BBBJ 40 k extra and 45 minutes. , total 90 k COP[/QUOTE]Unbelievable!

[QUOTE=BrasilSoccer0;1603702]Unbelievable![/QUOTE]Yes, but Luna Lunera takes 190 k for sex withoutout BBBJ, which makes the experience mediocre at best.

At the Paisasdivinas different apartments in Laureles and Poblado I have payed 12 k0-130 k, adding 0 k-70 k = 120 k-200 k for BBBJ (the 70 k was for a spendid service overall), while one gave it for free.

Brasil you have more experience here than the most of us, share with us you view on pricing BBBJ.

[QUOTE=DrWasabee;1603602]Flying back into Medellin on Tuesday night scheduled arrival 7:10 pm I'm leaving back home very early Wednesday morning so I booked a room by the airport. I was hoping to get some more action that night I was thinking of going to energy I know in the list it says closes at 9:30 is that last appointment or when you have to be out by? Any suggestions or anything near the airport or some Cassa opened later would like some thing with some better than average talent.

Thanks[/QUOTE]I don't believe there is any well-marked P4 P spots by Rio Negro airport.

[QUOTE=CJackSparrow;1603576]Back to life. Back to reality.

Today I left that childish-roamntic shit!

New Life: Mafe:

Looks, little asian, though 100% paisa.

Very sweet and cute, sexy. Nice ass and legs, normal boring natural tits, thin waist.

Service BBBJ 40 k extra and 45 minutes. , total 90 k COP.

It was great, supberb BBBJ, it was my second time with Mafe. Felt like being in Bangkok or Filipinas. Good as alternative to the big booty paisas.[/QUOTE]Mafe. She's got the blunt short haircut with a few tattoos, sort of goth looking girl? I didn't know NL had a 45 min rate? So it's 40 K=30 mins, 45 K=45 mins & 65 K=60 mins?

[QUOTE=Almotu;1603852]Mafe. She's got the blunt short haircut with a few tattoos, sort of goth looking girl? I didn't know NL had a 45 min rate? So it's 40 K=30 mins, 45 K=45 mins & 65 K=60 mins?[/QUOTE]New Life have the rates on the wall everywhere, it's very precise: 30 m, 40 m, 45 m, 50 m, 60 m, 75 m, . The exact minutes and $ I can't remember.

Mja, I would say she looks asian, +30 though, but still sexy, and superb BBBJ. I had to stop the session before the agreed 1 hs. I did not finish but I had kind of a tantric, mental finish.

The most of the girls are mediocre and some are really really sexy at New Life, it is the best bang for the buck in Medellin. There are always some girl / s that you like. (The best place apart from the BBBJ-issue.).

But I have not tried La Mayorista since 2009. Frank Monger says it's the best, but if the centro seems unsecure, probably it is worse at La Mayorista? Anyone been there lately?

I was quoted 10 k cop propina for BBBJ and 20 k cop propina for BBBJ with CIM in centro.
I paid the 20 k cop. This was about 3 weeks ago

[QUOTE=BeersTerry;1603966]I was quoted 10 k cop propina for BBBJ and 20 k cop propina for BBBJ with CIM in centro.
I paid the 20 k cop. This was about 3 weeks ago[/QUOTE]That's more like it.

Depending on who and where 20 k + Hotel should get you CIM in the centro. I wouldn't give any of these street girls casa prices if this is where you are looking.

Those prices were in a casa in centro.

And my bad, I confused Man of La Mancha with Les Miserables. Waddaya want from "off the cuff".

[QUOTE=CJackSparrow;1603898]New Life have the rates on the wall everywhere, it's very precise: 30 m, 40 m, 45 m, 50 m, 60 m, 75 m, . The exact minutes and $ I can't remember.

Mja, I would say she looks asian, +30 though, but still sexy, and superb BBBJ. I had to stop the session before the agreed 1 hs. I did not finish but I had kind of a tantric, mental finish.

The most of the girls are mediocre and some are really really sexy at New Life, it is the best bang for the buck in Medellin. There are always some girl / s that you like. (The best place apart from the BBBJ-issue.).

But I have not tried La Mayorista since 2009. Frank Monger says it's the best, but if the centro seems unsecure, probably it is worse at La Mayorista? Anyone been there lately?[/QUOTE]I will have to take a closer look at the posted signage then. I was on a casa run on Sunday and stopped by New Life which had 12 girls working, 8 in presentation & 4 ocupada. Went to La Mayorista on this past Friday night and I would say about 20 girls working the strip. The little bars / short time hotels could not have tables on the sidewalk anymore. Though the restaurants do. I would say for my taste, I would be interested in 4 out of the 20 available girls. The pricing should be 30 K for 1 pop and you have to pay for the room which is now quoted at 20 K. So hopefully you can squeeze out a half hour for 50 K. If the session goes south, you have no recourse since the girls are freelancers. You can't complain to the manager like in the casas. Over the years I have about. 500 satisfaction ratio, for the casa I consider I am batting. 850. Casas during the week close by 7:30 pm. Girls come & go as they please at Mayorista, I would say the optimal time would be from 10:30 pm - 12:30 am.

[QUOTE=CJackSparrow;1603898]but if the centro seems unsecure, probably it is worse at La Mayorista? Anyone been there lately?[/QUOTE]Mayorista is safe. I went 2-3 years ago and I did not have any problems. On the street there are many persons and bars till late night.

Then I must re-implement the personal maximum:

New Life: 20 k.

Paisasdivinas / Masajistaspasias / Energy: 30 k.

2013 I went to an Paisadivinas apartment in Laureles, address like cra. 71 # 42. I payed 20 k. I returned often because of the acceptance of 20 k for a splendid BBBJ service.

Yeraldin and her friends at then San juan #78 (now in Poblado) charged 40 k, as a house rule.

Better looking girls with only CBJ did not get my money. And I was a crazy horney pirate then wasting many hours and $$$ at the apartments who's girls offered BBBJ. So it might be bad business (but better health, LOL) for them in the end.

It's easy to pay much for BBBJ when a hot babe is playing with your instrument, since it's such an disappointment to only get CBJ.

But I have to learn. And maybe many with me. Not to loose the control.

Negotiate everything before the act.

I pick Energy first since it has a lot of praises in this forum. I have not disappointed.

Arrive at 4:30 pm, there are about. I lost count. Between 15 to 20 girls, all young, all sexy, and 5-6 doables in my book. Man, next time 8 need to being a pencil and paper to write down all the names because that happens so fast and I am still in the sensory overloading modes. Remember Lina and Sophia from previous reports, although they are trophy materials but I shun this time because of bad reports, however, I make a note to come back to finsh them off. Pick a morena name Andrea, looks like an princess with a sympathetic smile, nice see cup real tits, overall a good package, she does have a bit of baby fat lower abs but still looks sexy overall. Good massages then followed by fingerfuck, she insists on it after I caress and kiss her tits. No DFK, BJ with condoms. But I have not insisted on or asked otherwise. She makes up with energetic power fuck in doggy, missionary and cowgirls and reverse cowgirl positions which are my favorites.

Total 120 k plus 2 k for a coke. I did give 10 ktip for her smile and energetic attitude, too bad my spanish is not that good to carry out a lengthy and personal coversation. I could ask for a date out of the casa but I decide not too, because I already have lina and sophia line up for the next hunt.

Till next time.

Mayorista is not my thing but they seem to have cleaned it up a little. It is a step up from the street girls in San Diego, but not much of a step up.

Centro is okay I go during the day and never at night, I mean you have to know exactly where you can and can't go as you could be walking along the street and unknowingly cross from a safe area to an unsafe area.

Some of the streets are seedy enough during the day, I would hate to on them at night.

If a Casa's hours are till 8:00 pm is that the last time they will let you in the door or is that the time you need to be out by? Or does it vary by casa to casa?

To go to "La Galeria" district. The quality is not great though.

[QUOTE=DrWasabee;1603602]Flying back into Medellin on Tuesday night scheduled arrival 7:10 pm I'm leaving back home very early Wednesday morning so I booked a room by the airport. I was hoping to get some more action that night I was thinking of going to energy I know in the list it says closes at 9:30 is that last appointment or when you have to be out by? Any suggestions or anything near the airport or some Cassa opened later would like some thing with some better than average talent.

Thanks[/QUOTE].

I have been away for a couple of years and because of a near return, I started reading this thread. What struck me is the correspondence about tipping for a BBBJ, including CIM or not.

When I lived in Medellin I visited many of the places (still) mentioned here and I have never had to negotiate in advance about the BBBJCIM. I finished 90% of the sessions that way. Of course I rewarded them afterwards.

But it's the preceding negotiation that is new to me.

[QUOTE=Menteng;1604189]I have been away for a couple of years and because of a near return, I started reading this thread. What struck me is the correspondence about tipping for a BBBJ, including CIM or not.

When I lived in Medellin I visited many of the places (still) mentioned here and I have never had to negotiate in advance about the BBBJCIM. I finished 90% of the sessions that way. Of course I rewarded them afterwards.

But it's the preceding negotiation that is new to me.[/QUOTE]Nothing has really changed amigo.

Some guys go with the flow, get lucky, get the chemestry going, and usually enjoy the ensuing goodies (BBJ, etc).

Other dudes just get the goodies in other ways, (I. E. Paying / Negotiating).

Both ways work, just one is a sure bet if that's what ya want.

I never have been a negotiator type. I like the fantasy of the real GFE without the negotiation.

If the little extras don't just don't come naturally, no big deal for me, I'm just off to the next affair.

Obviously nothing wrong with a negotiated tip for extra services, just not my thing.

So like I said, nothing has changed in that regard.

Have fun on your return!

[QUOTE=BeersTerry;1604058]Mayorista is not my thing but they seem to have cleaned it up a little. It is a step up from the street girls in San Diego, but not much of a step up.

Centro is okay I go during the day and never at night, I mean you have to know exactly where you can and can't go as you could be walking along the street and unknowingly cross from a safe area to an unsafe area.

Some of the streets are seedy enough during the day, I would hate to on them at night.[/QUOTE]Newbie to Medellin question.

2 trips to Medellin under my belt. I walked el centro during the day and it was very crowded. I walked hooker road (calle 53?) and felt safe enough.

I have heard over and over how unsafe downtown can be, but have never heard any details of what can happen in broad daylight with lots of people around? I can understand being in an area with few people or paste at night. What's the danger during the day?

[QUOTE=Jet69;1604507]Newbie to Medellin question.

2 trips to Medellin under my belt. I walked el centro during the day and it was very crowded. I walked hooker road (calle 53?) and felt safe enough.

I have heard over and over how unsafe downtown can be, but have never heard any details of what can happen inn broad daylight with lots of people around? I can understand being in an area with few people or paste at night. What's the danger during the day?[/QUOTE]Pickpockets. A few years ago 2 guys tried to pickpocket me. One guy tapped me on the shoulder and while I was turning around the other guy reached in my FRONT pocket. Fortunately for me he picked the wrong pocket, and all he got was a handkerchief. They ran off quickly, I didn't even see what they looked like.

I had some pesos in the other pocket, but it was safe.

Emely [URL]http://www.paisasdivinas.com/mariana/emily%20prepago%20paisa.php[/URL].

Fernanda [URL]http://www.paisasdivinas.com/fernanda/valeria%20masajista%20paisa.php[/URL].

Laureles Cra. 73 # 30 see -128, house.

Price Emely: 120 k + BBBJ 40 k, Fernanda 120 k +30 k.

In my specific case, I must add, the oralsex is at least 50% of the time and sex, so it is really worth the money.

I described Mafe at New Life as a 7. With this girls (and place) in mind, I must drop that to a 3, while giving Emely a 9 and Fernanda an 8.

I made a daylong session. 1 pm to 7 pm, 1 hs lunch. I totally payed for sex 4. 5 hs, 1 hs with both, totally 5. 5 for 790 k, including BBBJ.

Emely (27).

Face: model, angellike. Is "modelo de protocolo" this weekend at the airport Feria de Flores, and also her younger sister, which she said is even more beautiful.

Body: very good shape, a 9.

Breasts: silicon, like ballons, but perfectly made. I just loved them, a 9.

Ass: Natural 9.

Legs: naturally relatively long good shaped, a 9.

Arms / hands / feets: feminine a 9.

Shoulders and back: also a 9, almost 10.

Hair: typically paisa, very long down to her waist, adds a lot to her beauty, a 9.

Skills, oral: Amazing. Pornostyle, romanticstyle. Spontaneous started giving oral pleasure during the sessions. Perfect 10!

Orals giving; smells terrific. She loves recieving oral in any position.

Intercourse: superb in front on the mirror standing, "en cuatro". On top or missionary.

With Fernanda: they worked as a team and I felt like a King.

Experience: she really know how to make a man feel good, physically and mentally.

Fernanda (18).

Since she is young she is of course even more beautiful than Emely, like a little princess.

She is thin and looks very innocent and is a little shy. Emely is like her teacher- Fernanda needs to develop her oral skills. Good, however she uses to much force, that is teachable though.

She has a very tight vagina and it hurted a lot, she said, when I penetrated from behind and reached "her stomach". On top she was comfortable though and took comand and seemingly enjoying it. Fernanda likes Anglo-Saxon guys, however we in general seem to be "bien dotados" and one time she had a blond handsome customer, but he was simply to big for her.

In overall the best sexday in my life. I had 3-4-5 of this 2013, marathondays, this one in one place only, and with Emely 4. 5 hs and Fernanda 1 hs. / I payed Emely for 4 hs, got 1/2 hs free. She had to call her boss for this, since they have a camera counting customers and time. After the lunchbreak she personally accepted 3 hs for 2 hs pay if I went 1 hs with both girls and we had a deal, but the boss by telephone reduced it to 2. 5 hs. I thought she could manage this herself, but since not, I know have to leave the idea of getting a low hour-rate if I repeat. But time will tell, in the future we can meet in private. The Idea was to get my absolute favorite girl and offer her a suberb deal, with made a very good impression. This worked 2013 with Yeraldin. I'm now a good friend of hers and we have had discussions about long-term agreements, travelling etc. At a very reduced rate. The chemistry has to work though. It could have had the reverse effect; that the price demanded stays high. This is difficult to catch in plain text. You feel when you have a deal or not!

Fernanda gets an 8 since Emelys oralskills and overall skills are top level, pornostar skills and looks very familiar to Lela Star and Jennaveve Jolie, she gets a 9.

Paisasdivinas Karol are at the same level 8-9.

To manage having sex 2 hs + 2. 5 hs I took a mix of Cialis and Viagra. On Avenida Bolivariana in Belen (Cra 74) there's an drugstore that sells Sildenafin (Viagra) 50 mg softtabs. This works in a few minutes and gives no headache or blush. The pure effect was incredibly good. The erection was of the type one has at 15 yo! And the very high bloodpressure that the Cialis & Viagra gives (in the penis, not overall), blocks the ejaculation impulse so much that one can control it almost 100%.

The pills are: GELPIN sildenafilo 50 mg x 2 8900 COP.

The drugstore: Droguera Servidescuentos Diagonal 74 be # 32 06 , servicio a domicilio gratis gratis: 238 1113, creditcards accepted.

This was one of few marathonsessions 2014. I doubt that there will be more of them since it is expensive.

The quality / price ratio is very favourable. It was GFE, it was beauty, it was porno de luxe. 120 k in basic price for such beauty. This is economical. The same level of girl / s in the US or Western Europe charges $200-300 or 200-300, more likely 300, or even above.

Here in Medellin I payed $60 (a little more since the COP is very strong for the moment). $60 is a price that you can get at corresponding installations like this around the world. In a nice neighbourhood, nice interior, friendly professional staff. But the beauty and the GFE, that's what makes Medellin (Colombia) the best place in the world for buying erotic services. The level of satisfaction is very high. My impression during the session was like "Why doesn't these beauties charge a lot more?

The physical exhuastion on the penis, and vagina reached it's maximums. And the mouth of Emely as well as she gave passionate oral pleasure for almost 2 hs. Actually, when showering afterwards, I used ice to cool the most sensitive parts, which helped a lot.

This session was THE GOOD LIFE. It's a memory for life.

[QUOTE=CJackSparrow;1604758]
[b]She had to call her boss for this, since they have a camera counting customers and time[/b]. After the lunchbreak she personally accepted 3 hs for 2 hs pay if I went 1 hs with both girls and we had a deal, but the boss by telephone reduced it to 2. 5 hs. I thought she could manage this herself, but since not, I know have to leave the idea of getting a low hour-rate if I repeat. But time will tell, in the future we can meet in private. The Idea was to get my absolute favorite girl and offer her a suberb deal, with made a very good impression. This worked 2013 with Yeraldin. I'm now a good friend of hers and we have had discussions about long-term agreements, travelling etc. At a very reduced rate. The chemistry has to work though. It could have had the reverse effect; that the price demanded stays high. This is difficult to catch in plain text. You feel when you have a deal or not!
[/QUOTE]The links to the chicas you posted are nice, and I get that you hope to be able to make arrangements with them outside of their 9-5 puta job holed up in their apartment, but how realistic do you think that will be considering they have to clear everything through management ("Chulo", err, I mean "Boss")?

You're talking about taking one of his h0es out of rotation for a long length of time and he (shit, or "they") are going to need to hear something very convincing as to why she can't work her scheduled shifts.

7 trips to Medellin and I haven't been back to a casa or strip club since trip one. I am sure they have total knockouts at some of these places, but all the bullshit you have to put up with? CBJ, lackluster service from servicing many clients in one day or just jaded from being in the game for so long, etc.

I stick with the freelancers. They don't work for anyone other than themselves, and I do not have to pay extra for GFE. If one of them refuses to do BBBJ, I send her home with taxi money and call another one over. If one of them comes over quoting ridiculous amounts of money, I send her home with taxi money and call another one over.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1604773]The links to the chicas you posted are nice, and I get that you hope to be able to make arrangements with them outside of their 9-5 puta job holed up in their apartment, but how realistic do you think that will be considering they have to clear everything through management ("Chulo", err, I mean "Boss")?

You're talking about taking one of his h0es out of rotation for a long length of time and he (shit, or "they") are going to need to hear something very convincing as to why she can't work her scheduled shifts.

7 trips to Medellin and I haven't been back to a casa or strip club since trip one. I am sure they have total knockouts at some of these places, but all the bullshit you have to put up with? CBJ, lackluster service from servicing many clients in one day or just jaded from being in the game for so long, etc.

I stick with the freelancers. They don't work for anyone other than themselves, and I do not have to pay extra for GFE. If one of them refuses to do BBBJ, I send her home with taxi money and call another one over. If one of them comes over quoting ridiculous amounts of money, I send her home with taxi money and call another one over.[/QUOTE]The aim of the report was not this vague speculation, forget about it.

The focus are on the basic facts, the quality of serivce, and the use of ED medications to prolong the lidibo capability.

Since they use photos that covers their faces, and sometimes false ones I have been positively surprised by three girls; Emely, Fernanda and Karol. They are 9's in facial beauty. Even their body looks a lot better in real life!

These girls charge fairly at least considering the beauty and quality of service. I strongly recommend them.

One who uses false photos or using all the tools available in Photoshop is Carolina [URL]http://www.paisasdivinas.com/carolina/carolina_chica_prepago.php[/URL].

Avoid!

Savepros; It would be interesting to know more about your way of getting all these freelancers at a fair price. My experience is that they vastly overestimates their marketvalue and stick to that illusion.

The pleasure of getting GFE is worth a lot, while arguing over prices in my home with barriogirls are on of the most embarrassing and moralwrecking experiences I can have.

Being a Brazil veteran, I am afraid the negotiation things now are the norm in Medellin.

Today, the girl at Abydos refuses the BBBJ at all cost, non negotiable, what amazes me is the DATY cost is 100 k. What the fuck.

Move on to Blue Room, the BBBJ is 100 k, DATY is only 50 k.

Only thing Comlobians have are boobs, big boobs, and I am a tit man. Brazilians are generally small to medium chest. Both Brazilians and Colombians are big round bubble asses.

I may have to take my mony to Rio.

[QUOTE=Ricker;1604266]Nothing has really changed amigo.

Some guys go with the flow, get lucky, get the chemestry going, and usually enjoy the ensuing goodies (BBJ, etc).

Other dudes just get the goodies in other ways, (I. E. Paying / Negotiating).

Both ways work, just one is a sure bet if that's what ya want.

I never have been a negotiator type. I like the fantasy of the real GFE without the negotiation.

If the little extras don't just don't come naturally, no big deal for me, I'm just off to the next affair.

Obviously nothing wrong with a negotiated tip for extra services, just not my thing.

So like I said, nothing has changed in that regard.

Have fun on your return![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1604773]7 trips to Medellin and I haven't been back to a casa or strip club since trip one. I am sure they have total knockouts at some of these places, but all the bullshit you have to put up with? CBJ, lackluster service from servicing many clients in one day or just jaded from being in the game for so long, etc.

I stick with the freelancers. They don't work for anyone other than themselves, and I do not have to pay extra for GFE. If one of them refuses to do BBBJ, I send her home with taxi money and call another one over. If one of them comes over quoting ridiculous amounts of money, I send her home with taxi money and call another one over.[/QUOTE]How did you come up with these freelancers in the first place? Ex-Mansion girls, their friends off Facebook, I know the drill and if BBBJ (I am guessing this is the GFE that is referenced here) is a must then I guess you have your system down. Sticking with regulars or favoritas of course guarantees good performance & resultsas well.

But I am guessing you are paying your freelancers at least 100-150 K plus taxis, another 20-40 K. How about the waiting? Most working girls are not punctual. And if you have to send one away, how quickly realistically can you get another to commit to a time and arrive in yet another taxi? At least another 2 hours of waiting, juggling calls, facebook & whatsapp?

If you are patient, show up earlier in the day, there are gems to be found in Centro and I don't mean just cabbing directly to New Life. There are a dozen other bargain casas with plenty of fresh girls for 30 K-65 K short time. On another board, there are field reports of some of these gems. With photos no less. From my standpoint, BBBJ is not a dealbreaker and I love the thrill of discovering the next Geraldine. If one casa doesn't have someone I like, the next casa is 2-10 mins walk away (in Centro). Of course, more & more bullshit is creeping into the scene like paying 2 K for the presentation if you don't session. All in all, a few casa runs per week should be part of the typical MDE mongering experience.

[QUOTE=Menteng;1604189]

When I lived in Medellin I visited many of the places (still) mentioned here and I have never had to negotiate in advance about the BBBJCIM. I finished 90% of the sessions that way. Of course I rewarded them afterwards.
[/QUOTE]That is how I typically roll as well. I'll tip if I think its merited.

[QUOTE=CJackSparrow;1604830]
Savepros; It would be interesting to know more about your way of getting all these freelancers at a fair price. My experience is that they vastly overestimates their marketvalue and stick to that illusion.
[/QUOTE]Almotu pretty much summed it up below:

[QUOTE=Almotu;1604867]How did you come up with these freelancers in the first place? Ex-Mansion girls, their friends off Facebook, I know the drill and if BBBJ (I am guessing this is the GFE that is referenced here) is a must then I guess you have your system down. Sticking with regulars or favoritas of course guarantees good performance & resultsas well.[/QUOTE]That's correct. Like pretty much everyone here, I started with a base (Mansion Chicas, Romance Latina, etc.), friended them on facebook, and branched out from there. I've been playing the fb game for so long that I have been able to find my own gems. A lot times the chicas are actively looking for you online and send you friend request.

But it is also a combination of:

-Learning a significant amount of Spanish to be able to hold an intelligent conversation.

-Patience (like putting in the work of communicating and flirting with chicas weeks before I arrive versus just showing up and hitting up a bunch of chicas cold turkey; figuring out which chicas are in the game, waiting for chicas to respond to you, etc.).

-Giving repeat business to chicas who give great service. Giving repeat sessions (and not burning your bridges) opens up the possibility of asking them to hook you up with other chicas (amigas, primas, hermanas, tias) that want to earn as well.

-Not being a chichipato! Buy the girl something to eat from time to time, share your alcohol with her, bring a gift. You can impress chicas without resorting to giving them more money. They want to have a good time just as much as you do.

And GFE means many different things to many different people amigo ;)

[QUOTE=Almotu;1604867]
But I am guessing you are paying your freelancers at least 100-150 K plus taxis, another 20-40 K. How about the waiting? Most working girls are not punctual. And if you have to send one away, how quickly realistically can you get another to commit to a time and arrive in yet another taxi? At least another 2 hours of waiting, juggling calls, facebook & whatsapp?
[/QUOTE]You'd be surprised bro. A lot of these chicas are sitting around without shit else to do. Some are in school during the day and will come over after class. Some may skip class entirely. I am good about setting my stuff up in advance (so that a chica can find a babysitter if need be), but if a chica has to cancel last minute I have not had any problems finding backups. Yes, traffic is a problem, and you will not have something like a 15 minute turn around, but it's not like you will be waiting all day long. I am usually able to have 4 different chicas visit me per day when I am there. Honestly, that is about all I can handle!

And I need the "waiting" time between chicas so that I can eat, clean up, maybe go to the store, take care of personal stuff, etc.

[QUOTE=Almotu;1604867]
If you are patient, show up earlier in the day, there are gems to be found in Centro and I don't mean just cabbing directly to New Life. There are a dozen other bargain casas with plenty of fresh girls for 30 K-65 K short time. On another board, there are field reports of some of these gems. With photos no less. From my standpoint, BBBJ is not a dealbreaker and I love the thrill of discovering the next Geraldine. If one casa doesn't have someone I like, the next casa is 2-10 mins walk away (in Centro). Of course, more & more bullshit is creeping into the scene like paying 2 K for the presentation if you don't session. All in all, a few casa runs per week should be part of the typical MDE mongering experience.[/QUOTE]I agree with you. I am not knocking the casa experience. I just chose to go a different route. I don't like my sessions rushed. I like the relaxed environment of my apartment with music, drinks, (sometimes) food, and dancing. I would rather be in my apartment chatting on the couch with the chica I invite over as opposed to running from casa to casa looking at different presentations. The other problem I have is that if I find a gem in a casa, I do not want to have to wait until she gets off work or all the way until Sunday when she is off to see her again. With a freelancer I can ask her to come back the very next day.

I definitely would probably go casa running or strip club hopping in the future. I just choose not to at this time.

[QUOTE=Almotu;1604867]How did you come up with these freelancers in the first place? Ex-Mansion girls, their friends off Facebook, I know the drill and if BBBJ (I am guessing this is the GFE that is referenced here) is a must then I guess you have your system down. Sticking with regulars or favoritas of course guarantees good performance & resultsas well.

But I am guessing you are paying your freelancers at least 100-150 K plus taxis, another 20-40 K. How about the waiting? Most working girls are not punctual. And if you have to send one away, how quickly realistically can you get another to commit to a time and arrive in yet another taxi? At least another 2 hours of waiting, juggling calls, facebook & whatsapp?

If you are patient, show up earlier in the day, there are gems to be found in Centro and I don't mean just cabbing directly to New Life. There are a dozen other bargain casas with plenty of fresh girls for 30 K-65 K short time. On another board, there are field reports of some of these gems. With photos no less. From my standpoint, BBBJ is not a dealbreaker and I love the thrill of discovering the next Geraldine. If one casa doesn't have someone I like, the next casa is 2-10 mins walk away (in Centro). Of course, more & more bullshit is creeping into the scene like paying 2 K for the presentation if you don't session. All in all, a few casa runs per week should be part of the typical MDE mongering experience.[/QUOTE]These girls DREAM. They have heard that they can get +250 k and blaha prices for nothing, just if they are a little cute and nice ass.

These girls Facebook-prepagos and Cupid-girls that initiate a contact are webcamgirls; "ayudame con mi pagina web, solo $5". But they not accept a simple NO, but keep on their blaha-babble. Very disturbing. Both "freelancer" and "webcam" girls. I just HATE them.

The girls that are independent or actually independent dreamers have never had a nickel in their life that wasn't hard earned. Suddenly she hear about the 250 k, convince herself in a second that this is the standard rate, and that extranjeros pay this ridicoulus prices. When told that the Paisasdivinas price is 100 k-130 k, and these girls are professionals, they simply ignore the basic market facts and continue PESTERING another John. Very frustrating for both parties, but especially for the buyer, since they continue to pestering as much as they can, until one delete / block their contact.

For me personally it has been like this for 5 years. The professionals charge 50% or less of what the barriogirls think they can get.

One must understand that these girls come from the opposite side of the global community: You are rich and can travel and you know languages, you are aware of cultural differences, and hence, which is very easy fault to commit, assume that they are "aware" of the basic circumstances in the world. They DREAM while entering the prepago market in Medellin. They know nothing. That's why they are so aggressive. They have no idea and can not have since they are brought up on gaseosa. This might sound rasistic, but it is a fact. 50% of the population is estrato 1-2. They lag behind mentally 3-5 years mentally from a normal person from an advanced country, due to poor nutrition and will never have an IQ over 90 as an adult. Just take the US as an example, where circumstance are better, but the socialeconomical differences remains; here it even worse; these girls logic is very limitated. They do not understand agreements or anything that is serious, not in the way you understand it. They live day by day life. They are often totally undependable and it's a risk not worth taking inviting such a creature to your home or hotel.

It has been like this since Alonso de Ojeda 500 years ago. Conquistadores are considered superior. These girls are aggressive since they KNOW they are from a distinct inferior social class, from the other side of the global community. You are rich even though you are middleclass. Your monthly salary might be 5-20 times higher. A deal is never a deal with a person that lives under completly different circumstances. It is easy to forget, it is easy to treat people like they are you equal, but in the case of "independiente chica" one must simply abandon this humanistic behavoiur and be realistic.

[QUOTE=CJackSparrow;1604885]These girls DREAM. They have heard that they can get +250 k and blaha prices for nothing, just if they are a little cute and nice ass.
[/QUOTE]I have never had a freelance chica quote me such a high of a price ever. The only chica that as ever asked for that kind of money (350,000 COP) was a chica from Luna Lunera that I invited over to the Mansion on a Sunday of all days. This was during my very first trip to MDE. I had gotten her number the night before and called her the next day. Told me over the phone that it would be 350,000 for her to come and visit me. And my newbie ass paid that because I didn't know any better. CBJ to boot!

I do not know why chicas on facebook are asking you for that much money. Are you posting photos of chicas you have taken to San Andres or Cancun? You mentioned that you have made deals with chicas to travel with them. These girls know a "Whale" when they see one. If they see that you can afford to fly chicas to exotic destinations, places they would never be able to afford on their own dime, then they will assume you can afford to pay them more.

[QUOTE=CJackSparrow;1604885]
These girls Facebook-prepagos and Cupid-girls that initiate a contact are webcamgirls; "ayudame con mi pagina web, solo $5". But they not accept a simple NO, but keep on their blaha-babble. Very disturbing. Both "freelancer" and "webcam" girls. I just HATE them.
[/QUOTE]The only two websites that I have ever run into this was Romance Latina and Colombian Cupid. Romance Latina used to be the go-to place to find freelancers, but the last two years that website has gone to shit. I would say 95% of the profiles on their are either webcam girls trying to get you to pay money to see their cam (they are the easiest to spot because they will not give your their cell phone or Whatsapp; they only give you their Skype profile), profiles of chicas who never even log into the site anymore, or fake (like one photo of a chica).

Colombian Cupid is shit as well. Lots of scammers on there who constantly get blocked by admin. One day I will see that someone has sent me an "interest". By the time I log in to look at the profile it has already been deleted by admin.

[QUOTE=BayBoy;1604720]Pickpockets. A few years ago 2 guys tried to pickpocket me. One guy tapped me on the shoulder and while I was turning around the other guy reached in my FRONT pocket. Fortunately for me he picked the wrong pocket, and all he got was a handkerchief. They ran off quickly, I didn't even see what they looked like.

I had some pesos in the other pocket, but it was safe.[/QUOTE]OK, I will ask the question then to the original poster, beersterry. I protect my valuables and have been the target of pickpockets before. Is this the danger of which you speak? I seriously like to explore when I visit foreign countries. So what danger will I be in during the daytime in el centro. I have read this over and over, but never hear "why"?

Hey all!

Last time I was in Medellin, back in 2008. I'm sure things have change and I'm going there on Sept 1st, 2014. I am into the high end caliber girls. Models, Porn Stars, Actress with big tits and big ass enhanced types. Not the street girls from Mayorsita or most of the girls who come by the mansion.

Anyone has any connections to the high end girls? When I was in Cali 2009, I got a hold of a madam who had connections to those chica audio girls. I was able to fulfill my fantasy by banging one of the hottest colombian bikini models. You can read my full detail Cali report by looking under my name and searching my past posts.

Anyone know how I can get a hold of Sofia Nix. She is a Colombian porn star on [URL]bangbros.com[/URL] she looks like Sofia Vergara and WOW! I want a night with her. Anyone who knows how I can get a hold of her, please pm me or let me know. I want 1 night with her!

You can also check out these lovely ladies too on this facebook page.

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Las-Mujeres-M%C3%A1s-Hermosas-Son-Las-Colombianas/109833205775157?sk=photos_stream[/URL]

Last time, I was in Medellin, I was at loutron and WOW!! That place have some stunners. I plan to go back there. Fase Dos was very good too! I know that was back in 2008 and I just want to know if these places are still good for the standard I am looking for? Any other new places you suggest?

Thank you all! Hope you're having fun and enjoying your time! You can private message me!

Cheers!

Looks much more like Sofia vergara.

[QUOTE=Jergens007;1604941]Hey all!

Last time I was in Medellin, back in 2008. I'm sure things have change and I'm going there on Sept 1st, 2014. I am into the high end caliber girls. Models, Porn Stars, Actress with big tits and big ass enhanced types. Not the street girls from Mayorsita or most of the girls who come by the mansion.

Anyone has any connections to the high end girls? When I was in Cali 2009, I got a hold of a madam who had connections to those chica audio girls. I was able to fulfill my fantasy by banging one of the hottest colombian bikini models. You can read my full detail Cali report by looking under my name and searching my past posts.

Anyone know how I can get a hold of Sofia Nix. She is a Colombian porn star on [URL]bangbros.com[/URL] she looks like Sofia Vergara and WOW! I want a night with her. Anyone who knows how I can get a hold of her, please pm me or let me know. I want 1 night with her!

You can also check out these lovely ladies too on this facebook page.

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Las-Mujeres-M%C3%A1s-Hermosas-Son-Las-Colombianas/109833205775157?sk=photos_stream[/URL]

Last time, I was in Medellin, I was at loutron and WOW!! That place have some stunners. I plan to go back there. Fase Dos was very good too! I know that was back in 2008 and I just want to know if these places are still good for the standard I am looking for? Any other new places you suggest?

Thank you all! Hope you're having fun and enjoying your time! You can private message me!

Cheers![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jet69;1604899]OK, I will ask the question then to the original poster, beersterry. I protect my valuables and have been the target of pickpockets before. Is this the danger of which you speak? I seriously like to explore when I visit foreign countries. So what danger will I be in during the daytime in el centro. I have read this over and over, but never hear "why"?[/QUOTE]I don't quite understand your question of 'WHY'. Why are there pickpockets? El Centro is poorer than some other areas in Medellin (Poblado); which means you have to be more careful.

I want to say that after many trips to El Centro and 8 Xs in Medellin, never been robbed, just a couple of attempts. I don't carry a wallet. Just take bare essentials, only necessary amount of money, keep a low profile, nonflashy clothes. Yes there's some shady looking types around, but for the most part never got bothered by them.

[QUOTE=BayBoy;1605174]

I want to say that after many trips to El Centro and 8 Xs in Medellin, never been robbed, just a couple of attempts. I don't carry a wallet. Just take bare essentials, only necessary amount of money, keep a low profile, nonflashy clothes. Yes there's some shady looking types around, but for the most part never got bothered by them.

[/QUOTE]Good response.

There's a TV show about a guy who travels the world looking for the finest coffee beans in the world. Last season, he was in Colombia and he gave similar safety reminders which applies to anywhere in the world.

If the taxi driver tells you that the neighborhood you want him to drive to is dangerous, it's dangerous.

If you're in a neighborhood and there are no taxis, it's dangerous.

If you see the same guys on motorcycles over and over again, you're in danger.

If you're lost, don't act like you're lost,. Walk like you belong there.

[URL]http://www.travelchannel.com/tv-shows/dangerous-grounds/episodes/colombia[/URL]

To look like you belong there, wear clothes of neutral colors like black, brown, navy or gray. Wear dark sneakers or walking shoes instead of white or bright colored sneakers. I would also avoid wearing any baseball caps or clothes with non-local team logos or wordy graphics.

When you're on the street, never talk on the phone or text while you're walking since you always want to beware of your surroundings by being aware. In the US, people are constantly getting robbed of their iPhones and other similar smart phones so don't expect anything different in Colombia.

Wear sunglasses whenever possible because it allows you to stare at people without being noticed and it gives you an aura of uncertainty.

Avoid wearing a watch unless it's a cheap, black plastic Casio or Timex watch. If it looks expensive, you're setting yourself up for a mugging or a grab and dash from your wrist.

So far, I've been fairly lucky and have never been a crime victim in Colombia. I did have my wallet pick-pocketed out of my zippered pants pocket while on a club dance floor in Phuket, Thailand and my point-and-shoot camera was pick-pocketed while on a crowded bus in Quito, Ecuador.

Don't wear shorts. They are a dead giveaway that you are a foreigner. Sorry I know they are comfortable but local guys DON'T wear shorts period. Yujin made some excellent bulletpoints, follow them if you can. The only point I disagree with is that of wearing sunglasses. I don't think is necessary. I make eye contact but I don't stare with I walk in the streets. I am staying in Centro right now, so far no incidents to report (fingers crossed)

[QUOTE=Almotu;1605227]Don't wear shorts. They are a dead giveaway that you are a foreigner. Sorry I know they are comfortable but local guys DON'T wear shorts period. Yujin made some excellent bulletpoints, follow them if you can. The only point I disagree with is that of wearing sunglasses. I don't think is necessary. I make eye contact but I don't stare with I walk in the streets. I am staying in Centro right now, so far no incidents to report (fingers crossed)[/QUOTE]I think shorts on Sunday afternoon if its sunny in el centro is fine. The streets are opening up again and people have exercised. Just know where you're going -- if you go to periodista its fine, just remember that if you look like a foreigner peple will assume you have money and want to share anything that you may have.

It's a total myth that Colombians don't wear shorts. Its very common in Medellin when the weather is hot as it is now, and also common in Cali. Just go to the high end malls in these cities and the clothing stores sell shorts. So who are they marketing to? Certainly not gringo tourists. Of course discretion is always in order. Nothing wrong with heading down to the nearest Juan Valdez on a hot afternoon in shorts and enjoying the sun. Never if you are just meeting a girl for the first time. But cool if you know her and are just out for a walk on a nice sunny day. In fact most girls that I've ever been with in Medellin or Cali enouraged me to wear shorts when it was very hot and we were spending any significant time outdoors.

[QUOTE=Almotu;1605227]Don't wear shorts. They are a dead giveaway that you are a foreigner. Sorry I know they are comfortable but local guys DON'T wear shorts period. Yujin made some excellent bulletpoints, follow them if you can. The only point I disagree with is that of wearing sunglasses. I don't think is necessary. I make eye contact but I don't stare with I walk in the streets. I am staying in Centro right now, so far no incidents to report (fingers crossed)[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Almotu;1605227]

The only point I disagree with is that of wearing sunglasses. I don't think is necessary. I make eye contact but I don't stare with I walk in the streets. I am staying in Centro right now, so far no incidents to report (fingers crossed)

[/QUOTE]

Some people have very expressive face and eyes. When they're scared, it shows. There are others who have "teddy bear" faces that make them look like country bumpkins which could leave others with the impression that they are an easy target for a strong arm robbery. These are the ones who should consider wearing sunglasses. If you're in an area where you feel unsafe and vulnerable, wearing sunglasses can project a "leave me alone" message. 
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[URL]http://survivalcache.com/survival-sunglasses/[/URL]

I only wear sunglasses to protect my old eyes from UV rays, but I have found it useful when I want to be left alone. It's a personal decision to wear one or not. If you want to approach strangers and socialize, wearing sunglasses is never a good thing.

Right on, since I have been robbed once in Rio, I made a pact with myself several rules to stay out of problems.

Do not venture outside the tourist area, if do, then travel in daylight with taxis. After sundown travel by taxi at all cost. General public transportation in the tourist frequent areas are safe in daytime.

No ipads, iphones or gps devices. I use a local cheap wireless when travel.

Do not count money in public, find a stores, restaurant, bar and count in the restrooms.

Brazil and Colombia and safe when you know what to do and do not take chances. No dar papaya, indeed.

Today is the festival of flowers, most of the stores are colse and many streets are empty, I take taxi even in daylight as a precaution.

Happy mongering, stay safe.

[QUOTE=Yujin;1605216]Good response.

There's a TV show about a guy who travels the world looking for the finest coffee beans in the world. Last season, he was in Colombia and he gave similar safety reminders which applies to anywhere in the world.

If the taxi driver tells you that the neighborhood you want him to drive to is dangerous, it's dangerous.

If you're in a neighborhood and there are no taxis, it's dangerous.

If you see the same guys on motorcycles over and over again, you're in danger.

If you're lost, don't act like you're lost,. Walk like you belong there.

[URL]http://www.travelchannel.com/tv-shows/dangerous-grounds/episodes/colombia[/URL]

To look like you belong there, wear clothes of neutral colors like black, brown, navy or gray. Wear dark sneakers or walking shoes instead of white or bright colored sneakers. I would also avoid wearing any baseball caps or clothes with non-local team logos or wordy graphics..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CJackSparrow;1604758]The pills are: GELPIN sildenafilo 50 mg x 2 8900 COP[/QUOTE]"MK" is a good safe Colombian brand. Very inexpensive. They are a generic drug maker.

To the gentleman asking about safety in el centro.

I know walking during daytime and mixed in the crowd of el centro may give a sense of security. Just remember it also gives well organized gangs the ability to blend in. Most work in what they call "cadenas" or chains in English.

Nobody is trying to scare you from el centro! Just keep your eyes open, look around and keep an eye open for young men standing, hanging around.

I wear eyeshades but I also turn and make a point that yes "I'm watching you".

I've never been attacked in Medellin during daytime. Once I was followed, but I knew it right away cause he was just standing or talking to someone on my 1-2 o'clock. I just kept on walking but as I turn my head left and right I noticed him. He was following me on my 4 o'clock. I immediately stopped and turned my body towards him, in the middle of all the foot traffic around us. He looked away and walked backward. What was he up to? Who knows!!

That's my experience. But I also saw these cadenas at their work and they are PROFFESSIONALS. What amazed me about them is their communication. They almost alway never say a word. Not even to the victim they are robbbing. I think that makes them very effective.

Also, don't expect paisas to help you if you are attacked by a cadena. You're best hope is for them to yell and whistle to startle the silence and get cops in.

I hope others will share their personal experience with safety in Medellin and el centro.

I want you guys to write some reports, regardless of what you think, being paranoid as Wilt or normal as BrazilSoccer, or just crazy like me!

We are here to give primarily INFO to our brothers in need of such.

I think Jergens are right on the ultimate task; to get the absolutely most voluptous and beautiful colombianas.

I will remeber having had sex with Emely or Karol, but not the standard New Life girl. I mean the memories that really. Wow. !

In Colombia one can get models and porno babes since the salaries are internationally is a joke. Yes you can get them in Vienna to, but paying 10 times more.

[URL]http://www.luxury-escorts-vienna.com/home.php[/URL]

The same can be done in Colombia, getting the contacts and then enter the world you really want to be in. At least having being there once in life!

As an Anglo -Saxon you are not a threat to local Alphamales that domanite this de Luxe if you might hopp into their territory, just a clown with money with one hand full of $$ and the XXXXX in the other, they just ask you to leave, and you will. Nothing more happens.

So yeah, let's write some reports and follow Jergens to see how far we can get!

I say this again. It is easy to forget that Colombia does not offer social security, almost nothing. Wages are on the absolute internationally lowest level for a country with 11.000 USD / capita per year. It's like latinamericas China. They produce a lot but earn little. This in combination with the girls beauty; that is what we must use. As Gringos we always overpay in the end so no need to feel sorry. Go and get those de Luxe Babes!

As in the case of Karol, Emely % fernanda it doesn't have to be expensive. They are event models. They have big boobs and are overall a 9's, leaving space for the impeccable one's, but as close to perfection that you can get, without spending all your time just finding those Perfect 10 porno babes. No vale la pena!

Very good report. Only one thing: police officers in Centro do not do anything. They try to avoid troubles by pretending not seeing robberies or walking very slowly to the place of incident.

[QUOTE=BrasilSoccer0;1605325]

Also, don't expect paisas to help you if you are attacked by a cadena. You're best hope is for them to yell and whistle to startle the silence and get cops in.
[/QUOTE].

Other than the TV girs and high end private girls who you need contacts for, the next best Colombian prepagos on offer are located at Le Palace Club in Panama City.

I was at Miraflores Panama canal the other day and there was a Colombian TV star doing a foto shoot, I told my Colombian female friend to go over and start talking to her, we ended up being invited to lunch with her and her group.

They all have a price.

A. G.

I just come back from an adventure uphill to Loutron. My taxi driver does not know squat, he must ask for help until arriving to the hard to find Loutron address but I make a mistake by giving him the old one. Thinking the new address is close by, half a kilometer by somebody post, I tell him to drop me there and walk. What a mistake. The new address is more than a kilometer away and all uphill.

I almost have a heart attack to trek all to the new address.

There are only 5 girls and 3 are doable by my books. I pick Camilla for 250 k an hour. She has incredible curvy body but the tits are fake. She is nice but no DATY and No BBBJ. She is enthusiastic in the sac and tries very best to please me. I give 10 k tip for that. The return home is a challenge. There are 3 taxis in front but they wait for prebook prepaying customers who.

Are romping the girls. So I have to walk downhill again till the roundabout tesoro and palmas to hail a taxi. There are very few taxi and most of them are occupied. Luckily, I get one empty to ride back down to the valley. It is only 600 PM so there are still light but I have chills down my spine thinking if I am alone in the dark waiting for the taxis in that stretch of the road.

Loutron address is Calle 16 A # 9 E -500. I recommend you book the taxi for the whole trip.

Girls are beautiful, but I can find the same in Energy, Blue Room, Abydos for half the money.

Recommend for newbies to have a exploring adventure, otherwise, you can do well in the city down in the valley.

[url]http://www.paisasdivinas.com/cris/cristina_prepago.php[/url]

130 k.

she is a former jeansmodel.

nice loacation around 80 # 30. in laureles.

like many on the paisasdivinas and masajistaspaisas she is a pocahontas with big silicone boobs (and ass in some cases).

i strongly recommend her.

she is very very sweet. really.

she even did bbj without payment.

paisasdivinas that are well spend money: chrsitina, karol, emely & m fernanda.

aviod carolina, she gives very good service, but it's not her, or it's a photoshop miracle.

130 k is us $70. maybe it is too much if the main reason for the vacation is sex and hedonism.

us and western european prepagos charge like 200-300 $/ for the same service. you don't get the gfe that these girls offer.

my personal statistics says prices has increased with 6. 66% annually since october 2009. , a total of 37%.

this is a high number since inflation has been very close to zero and but in the case of a luxury service demand there has been a strong demand due to a high level of profits in the real estate area and a small, but for the business size huge, part flows into prepago services.

but if this trend continues medellin will be to expensive soon. prices might speed up to $us100 (200.000 cop) and if that becomes a norm it is no longer any idea to come to colombia to enjoy a carefree hedonistic life.

this has happen in argentina in cycles during the last decades.

in colombia the economic is less complicated and we might be in the last period when it's really worth the effort of coming here as a rich gringo.

but the economic growth, today led by the real estate sector just might fall into a crisis.

[url]http://www.serfinco.com.co/site/[/url] look at the statistics: comportamiento de los precios de la vivienda.

real estate prices are at a historic all time high level, which auments the risk for a crisis and thus the start of a period with falling prices for luxury services when everyone that used to spend money change their consumption behaviour.

[quote]but if this trend continues medellin will be to expensive soon. prices might speed up to $us100 (200.000 cop) and if that becomes a norm it is no longer any idea to come to colombia to enjoy a carefree hedonistic life.[/quote]too late!

[url]http://www.prepagos1000.com/prepagos-medellin/angela-estrada.html[/url]

800,000 for 90 min! gtfo!

[QUOTE=BlueChange;1605744]Too late!

[URL]http://www.prepagos1000.com/prepagos-medellin/angela-estrada.html[/URL]

800,000 for 90 min! GTFO![/QUOTE][URL]http://www.prepagos1000.com/prepagos-medellin/norelis-penagos.html[/URL] 1 million COP.

But what is the difference to (he is actually more attractive) [URL]http://www.prepagos1000.com/prepagos-medellin/johanna-bedoya.html[/URL] 300 k COP.

Or several of the girls (but far from all) on Paisasdivinas Masajistaspaisas Paisascort that charge 120-150 k.

Last year I tried a luxury site and a "20 yo Perfect 10" came to my hotel. 400 k, no BBBJ. Just to have done it once. The difference was in elegance and the surgergy's "finish" o most of the girls close to her level.

But I have had girls like that on these sites, and even New Life, that with more elegance etc. Would have made the same impression.

I think, correct me if wrong, that the rich or / and powerful compete to have the best and most expensive prepagos. On another board a porteno described this phenomenen in Buenos Aires as it once provoked a scandal.

[QUOTE=CJackSparrow;1605960][URL]http://www.prepagos1000.com/prepagos-medellin/norelis-penagos.html[/URL] 1 million COP.

But what is the difference to (he is actually more attractive) [URL]http://www.prepagos1000.com/prepagos-medellin/johanna-bedoya.html[/URL] 300 k COP.

Or several of the girls (but far from all) on Paisasdivinas Masajistaspaisas Paisascort that charge 120-150 k.

Last year I tried a luxury site and a "20 yo Perfect 10" came to my hotel. 400 k, no BBBJ. Just to have done it once. The difference was in elegance and the surgergy's "finish" o most of the girls close to her level.

But I have had girls like that on these sites, and even New Life, that with more elegance etc. Would have made the same impression.

I think, correct me if wrong, that the rich or / and powerful compete to have the best and most expensive prepagos. On another board a porteno described this phenomenen in Buenos Aires as it once provoked a scandal.[/QUOTE]That's how I feel, I think the difference between the 120 K and the 400 K girl is maybe better genetics / surgery but the service isn't the same. I recall my first "10" and it was passionless. Meanwhile this solid 7 rocked my world! Still doesn't 300 K seem a bit expensive? What's the best call service for the 150 K?

[QUOTE=NinoBravo;1605265]It's a total myth that Colombians don't wear shorts. Its very common in Medellin when the weather is hot as it is now, and also common in Cali. Just go to the high end malls in these cities and the clothing stores sell shorts. So who are they marketing to? Certainly not gringo tourists. Of course discretion is always in order. Nothing wrong with heading down to the nearest Juan Valdez on a hot afternoon in shorts and enjoying the sun. Never if you are just meeting a girl for the first time. But cool if you know her and are just out for a walk on a nice sunny day. In fact most girls that I've ever been with in Medellin or Cali enouraged me to wear shorts when it was very hot and we were spending any significant time outdoors.[/QUOTE]Finally some clarity (and accuracy) on the subject. The driver I had was wearing. Cargo shorts. This was a while back. Not quite the norm then but not unusual either. BTW it doesn't matter WTF I wear, my old, big, anglo noggin quickly identifies me as a gringo.

If you look young, gringo, and wear shorts, you might be lumped into the backpacker category though.

Z.

I go back today to Blue Room looking for the slender big bubble butts Salome, that her name spelling correctly, not Lomay as I reported early. Disaster struck. She is cold as ice, poor eye contact, and a dead fish in the sac. It seems to me she hates her jobs. Nobody likes to sell sex for money in a christian country like Colombia but at least, IMHO, she must have minimum motivation, if not, then acts as having one. She gave a half assed CBJ, her lips do not wrap tightly enough around my wood, BBBJ cost is 70 K nonnegotiable. When it comes to sex, she put 2 condoms instead of one. At that point, I am so fed up, so I ask her to give me a handjob, but she did it with 2 fingers with 1 condom on. She said she is afraid the condom may break. Needless to say, I could not come in the situation like that. While I am dressing, she hightailed out the door in a blink.

She will not get my business in the future, period.

[QUOTE=RockTimes;1606078]I go back today to Blue Room looking for the slender big bubble butts Salome, that her name spelling correctly, not Lomay as I reported early. Disaster struck. She is cold as ice, poor eye contact, and a dead fish in the sac. It seems to me she hates her jobs. Nobody likes to sell sex for money in a christian country like Colombia but at least, IMHO, she must have minimum motivation, if not, then acts as having one. She gave a half assed CBJ, her lips do not wrap tightly enough around my wood, BBBJ cost is 70 K nonnegotiable. When it comes to sex, she put 2 condoms instead of one. At that point, I am so fed up, so I ask her to give me a handjob, but she did it with 2 fingers with 1 condom on. She said she is afraid the condom may break. Needless to say, I could not come in the situation like that. While I am dressing, she hightailed out the door in a blink.

She will not get my business in the future, period.[/QUOTE]Appalling. She should not be in the biz. Here in Thailand we pay after. A gal who performs like that would get very little. Certainly not the agreed amount.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1606080]Appalling. She should not be in the biz. Here in Thailand we pay after. A gal who performs like that would get very little. Certainly not the agreed amount.[/QUOTE]Here in Medellin, except Loutron, as far as I know, mongers pay last, to the house, not to the girls. I have a soft spot in my heart for all the courtesans. I even gave her a tip of 10 k. (please do not flame me) but I swear I will never give her a second chance. I began my mongering career in 1987 in Nuevo Laredo, Mexico, then travel to FKK in Germany, Brazil and Thailand. This is one of the worst experiences.

There where 10 girls.

3 really sexy.

I choose Valentina.

Off with her little shirt and her body shows; a almost perfect 9 body.

She is very pretty but a closer look at the Spanishlooking babe reveals a typical indian nose, crook, not big, but with an typical crook.

Valentina was a very good lover. She looks supersexy "en cuatro" , really an perfect 10 ass! The body is a 9 overall. Natural breasts, like a teenager, they are 6-7, symmetrical and nice shape, but not more.

Face and hair is like an 7-8-9 depending on preferences, no less than 7 .

She was the hottest at Energy, but 5 of the girls should look to work with something else than erotic services!

Valentina might have the best body than I ever have seen in Medellin, comparable to that of Yeralda from my previous reports. Shows that she goes to the gym on a daily bais an do a lot of legs and butt!

The session was good, one of the best I have had.

I strongly recommend Valentina.

Price is 120 k for 1 hs.

BBBJ / DATY is optional.

But this happens to everybody. You can't avoid bad apples. Just don't expect that all the services you buy will turn out to be good. Also talk to the girl before you choose. If she does not smile, I wouldn't pick her.

[QUOTE=RockTimes;1606078]Needless to say, I could not come in the situation like that. While I am dressing, she hightailed out the door in a blink.

She will not get my business in the future, period.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=RockTimes;1606078]I ask her to give me a handjob, but she did it with 2 fingers with 1 condom on. She said she is afraid the condom may break.[/QUOTE]Damn! afraid the condom would break during a handjob??? WTF???

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1606103] Originally Posted by RockTimes
I ask her to give me a handjob, but she did it with 2 fingers with 1 condom on. She said she is afraid the condom may break..

Damn! afraid the condom would break during a handjob??? WTF???[/QUOTE]Now this is really, really bizarre behaviour.

Handjob with condom? Hahaha, and I thought the Germans was doing strange, bizarre stuff, but this is just to weird.

Maybe it was a ebola fetish or something?

Wow, what can I say. Brave new world.

Meanwhile in another part of ISG forum:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3444-M%F6nchengladbach-Bareback-AO-Parties[/URL]

(Post #8, creampie gangbang).

One got to admit that our world have extreme behavior reports on both ends. Sloppy bareback orgies in the German end, and condom handjob in the Colombian end. Haha, that is funny, and bizarre indeed!

Happy huting, Ken Apples.

[QUOTE=ColombiaJake;1602194]Wow what an incredible day yesterday! After deciding to open up to a little extra loving on the side, I went out to my old hunting ground on the metro! After riding up and grabbing a number, I got off at Acevado station and of course found another chica on top of the stairs. Another when I got back on and rode to the end could have kept going but, I remembered I had my happy ending message girl coming to my Hotel at 4 30 pm. Great naked message ensued and yes, I had to tell her a few times what I wanted and what areas I wanted her naked body to work which she was happy to incorporate followed by a light touch all over the area she had just completed just fabulous! During this time I had to break a few times to complete the back and forth via WhatsApp with a new date for the night named Maria Jose. Special artsy girl who has traveled a few times to Peru and speaks some English. Wow guys she had not shown interest when I met her three years ago but the boyfriend is finished, and she needs some college money as well as takes care of her older mother who can't work anymore. The new beautiful body and the complete inhibition which is so incredible compared to all those years with all those stiff American girls and the newness after being just with my girlfriend for so long was out of sight!.[/QUOTE]Also doing a room only cheap nightly rate special now for guys who just need a chica friendly place but no tours or help with dates. Check it out at Colombia Jake website.

Thanks for the reply Captain Sparrow, anyone else know how I can get in contact with Sofia Nix?

Besides Loutrons, Fase Dos, what are the current high end places with enhanced curvy chicas?

Thanks

[QUOTE=Jergens007;1604941]Hey all!

Last time I was in Medellin, back in 2008. I'm sure things have change and I'm going there on Sept 1st, 2014. I am into the high end caliber girls. Models, Porn Stars, Actress with big tits and big ass enhanced types. Not the street girls from Mayorsita or most of the girls who come by the mansion.

Anyone has any connections to the high end girls? When I was in Cali 2009, I got a hold of a madam who had connections to those chica audio girls. I was able to fulfill my fantasy by banging one of the hottest colombian bikini models. You can read my full detail Cali report by looking under my name and searching my past posts...[/QUOTE]

Yes, I been to Le Palace club before! Yes, I was in Heaven. 90% of the women there are Colombian's cream of the crop. They go there to make the most money and come back to Colombia. Elite II isn't too bad either, much better atmosphere.

Greg, do you have any connections to high end women? Pehaps a Madam you can suggest?

Cheers

[QUOTE=AussieGreg;1605689]Other than the TV girs and high end private girls who you need contacts for, the next best Colombian prepagos on offer are located at Le Palace Club in Panama City.

I was at Miraflores Panama canal the other day and there was a Colombian TV star doing a foto shoot, I told my Colombian female friend to go over and start talking to her, we ended up being invited to lunch with her and her group.

They all have a price.

A. G.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=David_33;1601255]I just read this. Do I know you? Have you been to Peru? Have you experienced that the girls I know "charge through the roof? Have you personally met anyone who said I make money or get freebees? Do you have a problem with a forum member helping out other guys and not asking for anything in return? ISG members help me out when I travel to other countries. That's good enough for me.[/QUOTE]Yes you read this and sorry for the misinterpretation. The comma between "Lima" and "getting" signifies I am going back to the subject "You", the poster whose post I was responding too. Everything after "Lima" has nothing to do with you. Next time I will use parenthesis around (like David 33 in Lima) in order to make it more obvious for lower level English speakers. I know this is a mixed board.

[QUOTE=SailorJim;1596741]You are putting guys in contact with "your girls" like David 33 in Lima, getting a cut or something out of it as these girls charge through the roof."[/QUOTE]The post was not about you, sorry. Just a mention that you introduce.

The whole point of my post is / was the constant (early 2014) postings about how expensive everything is. Every time someone got laid for free or near free the guy "must have been Brad Pitt" and it was "a once in a life time thing as everything in Medellin is expensive and all decent sex experiences cost over $100 K". Just like every time a monger found a great girl in a casa or on the street, that too was "an amazing anomaly" or the girl "must have been trash or a bottom feeder".

Decent guys here with decent game who are decent looking who speak decent Spanish can offer little monetarily and get laid regularly, having many girls in rotation. Like SavePros.

[QUOTE=Ricker;1604266]Nothing has really changed amigo.

Some guys go with the flow, get lucky, get the chemestry going, and usually enjoy the ensuing goodies (BBJ, etc).

Other dudes just get the goodies in other ways, (I. E. Paying / Negotiating).

Both ways work, just one is a sure bet if that's what ya want.

I never have been a negotiator type. I like the fantasy of the real GFE without the negotiation.

If the little extras don't just don't come naturally, no big deal for me, I'm just off to the next affair.

Obviously nothing wrong with a negotiated tip for extra services, just not my thing.

So like I said, nothing has changed in that regard.

Have fun on your return![/QUOTE]Gracias amigo, what a relief.

Mate,

Its a todo waist of money for these high end, models, film and TV stars. Your spending from 1,000,000 to 5,000,000 what for, a **** that doesn't want to do.

This, doesn't want to do that, wants money up front ect, ect.

Been there and done that years ago.

Your better of spending 100,000-150,000 pesos and having a mind blowing experience with beautiful 18-20 year old girl.

A. G.

[QUOTE=Jergens007;1606488]Yes, I been to Le Palace club before! Yes, I was in Heaven. 90% of the women there are Colombian's cream of the crop. They go there to make the most money and come back to Colombia. Elite II isn't too bad either, much better atmosphere.

Greg, do you have any connections to high end women? Pehaps a Madam you can suggest?

Cheers[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AussieGreg;1606885]Mate,

Its a todo waist of money for these high end, models, film and TV stars. Your spending from 1,000,000 to 5,000,000 what for, a **** that doesn't want to do.

This, doesn't want to do that, wants money up front ect, ect.

Been there and done that years ago.

Your better of spending 100,000-150,000 pesos and having a mind blowing experience with beautiful 18-20 year old girl.

A. G.[/QUOTE]+1000!

Greg gave you very good advice Jergens007. But we understand that nothing anyone tells you is going to change your mind about getting what you are truly after.

There is a guy in the Cali thread peddling arranged services for such type models. Look him up.

[QUOTE=RockTimes;1606078]I go back today to Blue Room looking for the slender big bubble butts Salome, that her name spelling correctly, not Lomay as I reported early. Disaster struck. She is cold as ice, poor eye contact, and a dead fish in the sac. It seems to me she hates her jobs. Nobody likes to sell sex for money in a christian country like Colombia but at least, IMHO, she must have minimum motivation, if not, then acts as having one. She gave a half assed CBJ, her lips do not wrap tightly enough around my wood, BBBJ cost is 70 K nonnegotiable. When it comes to sex, she put 2 condoms instead of one. At that point, I am so fed up, so I ask her to give me a handjob, but she did it with 2 fingers with 1 condom on. She said she is afraid the condom may break. Needless to say, I could not come in the situation like that. While I am dressing, she hightailed out the door in a blink.

She will not get my business in the future, period.[/QUOTE]Sorry you had such a bad experience over there. I have always heard how these mid-level casas by Estadio is so much better than Centro. But at least in Centro, even if you have a bad 30 min session you are only out 40 K instead of 70 K, 80 K or 100 K.

What IS the currrent pricing at Blue Room, Abydos and Energy?

[QUOTE=RockTimes;1606078]I go back today to Blue Room looking for the slender big bubble butts Salome, that her name spelling correctly, not Lomay as I reported early. Disaster struck. She is cold as ice, poor eye contact, and a dead fish in the sac. It seems to me she hates her jobs. Nobody likes to sell sex for money in a christian country like Colombia but at least, IMHO, she must have minimum motivation, if not, then acts as having one. She gave a half assed CBJ, her lips do not wrap tightly enough around my wood, BBBJ cost is 70 K nonnegotiable. When it comes to sex, she put 2 condoms instead of one. At that point, I am so fed up, so I ask her to give me a handjob, but she did it with 2 fingers with 1 condom on. She said she is afraid the condom may break. Needless to say, I could not come in the situation like that. While I am dressing, she hightailed out the door in a blink.

She will not get my business in the future, period.[/QUOTE]Energy is 120 k / hs +optional DATY / BBBJ.

Of course they like their work, officially not, but inside the erotic world, YES.

They can charge a weeks pay only for one or a few hours of work, you woulnd't like that?

The girls that I know just love getting paid for being beautiful. They love the attention, the power they get over powerful men twice their age!

Energy pay off well, and should attract hot girls, but obviously it does not. Valentina and 2-3 others were 120 k / hs girls, the 6-7 others, as low as 10 k-20 k girls. They should work with something serious, but they love the easy money!

Where did all the talent go that where there in 2009? Facebook? Panama?

Energy has never had such a lousy lineup! But prices rices as the morningstar, while quality sinks Titanic-like, there's no turning around once the process reached a certain level.

This process accelerate while females can't get married with men that earns more than themselves. Even the ugly one's, those with some brains, pay their univeristy tuition with their Prepago-work, so they don't need a novio that helpes out. After graduating, she needs him even less!

Energy used to be a haven. Get into the place, sit down in a sofa completly relaxed, escpaing the noice and stress with a cold beer, MANY wonderful girls in the lineup, hard to choose which to go with, loving to repeat.

Now it's a disaster. Expensive and in all a bad experience, I was just pure luck finding Valentina.

The myth that they suffer, creates a customer behaviour which only effect is that prices always are multiple times higher than it should be, that's my personal opinion. What is a fact is that there are millions as we speak who would die for having their work, insted of, for example, collecting a ton of plastics 24 hs around the clock for less than 20 k pesos a day. You see these people in the streets everyday. I wonder how do they manage to do it? 365 days a year, "24 hs" a day!

Who likes that " in a christian country as Colombia"?

Testicle cancer is suffering, getting a weeks pay to perform oralsex 10 minutes is NOT!

That's why Jergens got tired of all this and decided to only pay / a lot / for "elite-sex".

[QUOTE=CJackSparrow;1608065]Energy is 120 k / hs +optional DATY / BBBJ.

Of course they like their work, officially not, but inside the erotic world, YES.

They can charge a weeks pay only for one or a few hours of work, you woulnd't like that?

The girls that I know just love getting paid for being beautiful. They love the attention, the power they get over powerful men twice their age!

Energy pay off well, and should attract hot girls, but obviously it does not. Valentina and 2-3 others were 120 k / hs girls, the 6-7 others, as low as 10 k-20 k girls. They should work with something serious, but they love the easy money!

Where did all the talent go that where there in 2009? Facebook? Panama?

Energy has never had such a lousy lineup! But prices rices as the morningstar, while quality sinks Titanic-like, there's no turning around once the process reached a certain level.

This process accelerate while females can't get married with men that earns more than themselves. Even the ugly one's, those with some brains, pay their univeristy tuition with their Prepago-work, so they don't need a novio that helpes out. After graduating, she needs him even less!..[/QUOTE]Dang,

Thanks for the report. Is it easy to negotiate the price and service with the girls in english at Energy? I've heard it's hit or miss lately but it used to be all 8's and above! Damnit!

[QUOTE=BlueChange;1608287]Dang,

Thanks for the report. Is it easy to negotiate the price and service with the girls in english at Energy? I've heard it's hit or miss lately but it used to be all 8's and above! Damnit![/QUOTE]Sorry buddy. You be lucky to find a chica who speaks functional english there. Sure they may say a few words but you spit out a sentence they will look at you like you just stepped off a spaceship. I am lucky that I am fluent. But really have not bargained hard. Mmm. I am intrigued. I will see if I can set up some out of work deals and report back on that.

I will do field research in 2 weeks and see how the talent is. A few months ago it was not over the top but there were at least a few verydoable ones. I will do some english teaching as well. LOL.

[QUOTE=Concarne;1608399]Sorry buddy. You be lucky to find a chica who speaks functional english there. Sure they may say a few words but you spit out a sentence they will look at you like you just stepped off a spaceship. I am lucky that I am fluent. But really have not bargained hard. Mmm. I am intrigued. I will see if I can set up some out of work deals and report back on that.

I will do field research in 2 weeks and see how the talent is. A few months ago it was not over the top but there were at least a few very doable ones. I will do some english teaching as well. LOL.[/QUOTE]Ahh how about just asking for what you want in broken Spanish does that work? Or unless your fluent are you screwed?

[QUOTE=BlueChange;1608407]Ahh how about just asking for what you want in broken Spanish does that work? Or unless your fluent are you screwed?[/QUOTE]Very few gringos can claim to be fluent so no, it's not a problem at all. That said, if you know zero spanish yes, you would most likely be screwed. The more spanish you know the better off you will be, start studying.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;1608407]Ahh how about just asking for what you want in broken Spanish does that work? Or unless your fluent are you screwed?[/QUOTE]Broken spanglish works. LOL.

Rionegro is the city where the Medellin International Airport is located, or very nearby, very high in altitude above Medellin. Is there anything like Liquid Lounge / Strip, Luna Lunera, or Fase II where you can talk with the girls for as long as you like before going somewhere private? Is there a massage parlor in Rionegro like Abydos?

Speaking of which, Abydos is indeed still open, but it closes at 9 pm: Av 33 No. 64-198, a plain white building with absolutely nothing outside to indicate what is going on inside. You must ring a doorbell to get inside. There were about 10 girls, not bad looking unless you're looking for someone thinner than most of the women in the sex business in Medellin. I often wish the girls in the clubs were as thin and pretty as the ones who catch my eye on the streets and sidewalks of Medellin.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1608510]Very few gringos can claim to be fluent.[/QUOTE]Some of us exist.

[QUOTE=CJackSparrow;1605692]Paisasdivinas that are well spend money: Chrsitina, Karol, Emely & M Fernanda.
Aviod Carolina, she gives very good service, but it's not her, or it's a Photoshop miracle.[/QUOTE]8/16/2014: I am checking the Paisasdivinas site and I can find Christina's page. [URL]http://www.paisasdivinas.com/cris/cristina_prepago.php[/URL].

Can't seem to find your other recommendations (at least spelled the same way)? Any one of these?

[URL]http://www.paisasdivinas.com/mariana/emily%20prepago%20paisa.php[/URL]

[URL]http://www.paisasdivinas.com/cambell/karoline_prepago.php[/URL]

And this is the bad one?

[URL]http://www.paisasdivinas.com/carolina/carolina_chica_prepago.php[/URL]

BlueChange: It is fair to say that the hottest Energy girls are really hot, 8's-9's. But the majority is really not hot at all. Normal girls, but why PAY for having sex with a such girl instead of taking that pretty paisa you have a date with to Dann Carlton's rotating restaurant? It should cost you both 120 k extra, one is a memory you wish you don't had the other is spendid, price is the same.

In average the Energygirls are not hotter than New Life girls, since Energy has several not at all attractive girls. New Life price is 70 k and Energy 120 k for 1 hs. New Life is better in that fundamental aspect, but of course Energy is a nicer place.

Concarne is unfortunately right. Englsih does not work at all, even among 90% of the academicans.

When the mamasan is present one not should not ask (even if she knows about this of course) about optional BBBJ & DATY & whatever you want.

The girls always acts surprised when asked about BBBJ, " I never do that, it will be VERY expensive" I have not had a strategy for countering this, 20-30 k should be tops, however, I have stupidly payed more since I want the hottest on which I like to DATY on and recieve BBBJ, without that its not sex really. I must stick to a number of secure one's that are hot 8-9 and do optionals for 20 k, not to helping ruin the market.

But one is always curious, I seldom repeat.

[QUOTE=Almotu;1608815]8/16/2014: I am checking the Paisasdivinas site and I can find Christina's page. [URL]http://www.paisasdivinas.com/cris/cristina_prepago.php[/URL].

Can't seem to find your other recommendations (at least spelled the same way)? Any one of these?

[URL]http://www.paisasdivinas.com/mariana/emily%20prepago%20paisa.php[/URL]

[URL]http://www.paisasdivinas.com/cambell/karoline_prepago.php[/URL]

And this is the bad one?

[URL]http://www.paisasdivinas.com/carolina/carolina_chica_prepago.php[/URL][/QUOTE]Recommendations.

Emely [URL]http://www.paisasdivinas.com/mariana/emily%20prepago%20paisa.php[/URL].

Christina [URL]http://www.paisasdivinas.com/cris/cristina_prepago.php[/URL].

M Fernanda she must forgotten to pay the weekly fee to the site, I was with her Thusday 12th. She and Emely works together in Laureles.

Karol the same with Karol, I think. At least wait and see, I think they are back on the site very soon. Unlikely that both stop working at more or less the same day.

AVIOD Carolina [URL]http://www.paisasdivinas.com/carolina/carolina_chica_prepago.php[/URL].

They pay like 80 k a week to Paisadvinias and the same to Masajistaspaisas weekly, if they are late one day the sites take them off instantly.

Typical. I had some great sessions and wanted to share and then they are maybe gone, what badluck.

I found a casa via this girls.

Maria Isabel [URL]http://www.paisascort.com/maria-isabel-chica-prepago-con-cuerpo-natural-y-apto-en-laureles/[/URL].

Andrea she is also gone or changed name to [URL]http://www.paisascort.com/maria-isabel-chica-prepago-con-cuerpo-natural-y-apto-en-laureles/[/URL].

The location is; Cra 81 # 37 the (or be) -XX, to right to the little tobacco & candy" store, or "kiosqo" very close to the 81, I can't remember the number. It just across Exito, where the taxis stay.

I have lost the paper I wrote it on but it should be 99% correct.

Mamasan open ed at 5 pm and said the girls comes / back / at 8 pm. I said I can't wait, so she, a very sexy MILF, offered herself, but since she didn't do BBBJ, I left.

There are at least 2 girls on this site Paisa-scort that works at this location.

Price is 120 k.

Via a taxidriver I met; Dayana, 320 771 78 83. She was ugly though and I did not come, 120 k wasted. She came to my apartment, but has an aprtment with 1-2 other girls adjacent to parque LLeras, Calle 10 # XX.

[URL]http://www.sietepecados.co/ficha-dayana.html[/URL] she looks boring in real life, like a medium Peru-chick, thought I was back in frustrating Peru, where it's hard to find Paisa quality girls.

A ISG friend then sent Stefany and her prima to my apartment for 150 k for 2 hs. PM me for her and her primas cellular / whatssap.

Stefany is a wonderful little girl. I got photo and cel, PM me.

She is a former Mansion girl, but has not been there since some months she says.

This taxidriver had 50 flyers with locations so I will call him and go through his catalogue, the most of them seemed though to be ISG knowed places in El Centro etc. I will make a report out of it.

The address is.

Calle 37 the # 81-5.

Or shifting places calle / carrera: Carrera 81 # 37 the-5.

Calle 52 # 73 -46 behind Centro Comerical El Diamante tel: 300 35 98 362.

Sunday to Tuesday men can enter for 45 k and drink for 20 k of those 45 k.

Wednesday to Saturday it is girls and couples for 70 k-120 k a couple. The little supersexy gilr in the reception said Wedenesdays and Saturdays are great.

There was very few people. 2-3 couples who stuck to themselves and 3-4 guys that fucked a girl period during the 2 hours I was there. I was invited to participate, but passed.

The place was a recomenadation for my Morena friend, / not a regular prepago though / from the University where I study. She had visited the place first with a friend from Germany getting 200 k for the effort.

But she liked the place so much that she and 2 friends went, all 3 very pretty and my Morena friend has a awesome body, like a ballet dancer.

I would loved to have been there a Wednesday with a / prepago / friend and watch girls, couples fucking like rabbits.

This was a totally new thing, never thought of it before. Another pretty friend asked me last year if I wanted to go, but I considered it akward.

Maybe girls live their secrets dreams in such places, feels like porno stars, do it a couple a times a year or something, or maybe just ugly people.

Since I for the moment, and likely to be so, I have not a girl to go with, I can not participate myself.

[QUOTE=CJackSparrow;1608840]Typical. I had some great sessions and wanted to share and then they are maybe gone, what badluck.[/QUOTE]Just because their ad goes offline doesn't mean they are not working right? If you already sessioned with them previously you can contact them again using the same cellular number?

I only did the escort site thing a few times several years ago. I had them come to my hotel and one story worth mentioning from [URL]colombiascort.com[/URL]. At that time the pics were real and the girl was a total knockout. It was worth the convenience in spite of the fact that and there were also a lot of rules. These [URL]paisascort.com[/URL] girls that say "private apartment", how accurate is that or is it typically a casa type set up with more than one girl available?

[QUOTE=CJackSparrow;1608847]I found a casa via this girls.

Maria Isabel [URL]http://www.paisascort.com/maria-isabel-chica-prepago-con-cuerpo-natural-y-apto-en-laureles/[/URL].

Andrea she is also gone or changed name to [URL]http://www.paisascort.com/maria-isabel-chica-prepago-con-cuerpo-natural-y-apto-en-laureles/[/URL].

The location is; Cra 81 # 37 the (or be) -XX, to right to the little tobacco & candy" store, or "kiosqo" very close to the 81, I can't remember the number. It just across Exito, where the taxis stay.

[/QUOTE]

Why wouldn't you call a taxi from Loutron to pick you up? I understand why you were stressed about waiting alone.

[QUOTE=RockTimes;1605690]I just come back from an adventure uphill to Loutron. My taxi driver does not know squat, he must ask for help until arriving to the hard to find Loutron address but I make a mistake by giving him the old one. Thinking the new address is close by, half a kilometer by somebody post, I tell him to drop me there and walk. What a mistake. The new address is more than a kilometer away and all uphill.

I almost have a heart attack to trek all to the new address.

There are only 5 girls and 3 are doable by my books. I pick Camilla for 250 k an hour. She has incredible curvy body but the tits are fake. She is nice but no DATY and No BBBJ. She is enthusiastic in the sac and tries very best to please me. I give 10 k tip for that. The return home is a challenge. There are 3 taxis in front but they wait for prebook prepaying customers who..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AussieGreg;1606885]Mate,

Its a todo waist of money for these high end, models, film and TV stars. Your spending from 1,000,000 to 5,000,000 what for, a **** that doesn't want to do.

This, doesn't want to do that, wants money up front ect, ect.

Been there and done that years ago.

Your better of spending 100,000-150,000 pesos and having a mind blowing experience with beautiful 18-20 year old girl.

A. G.[/QUOTE]Below is a post of mine from another site awhile back.

Here is a price to performance list in Medellin, IMO, for short time P4 P.

30 k- 50 k. You may get anything from terrible sex with an average looking girl to passionate sex with up to a solid 9.

70 k- 130 k. This is best area IMO for the most consistent quality. A nice appearance and passionate, horny sex is common in this area.

150 k- 200 k. More consistent high looks at some expense of the connection. Many of the most popular girls on the forum fall in this range.

300 k+. Consistently the highest looks. A little more intelligence normally but not always. Highly likely there will be a cutoff at some point in the connection.

Unfortunately, you can't buy connections. This will be up to your individual abilities which include general charisma, being able to communicate, making a girl comfortable enough to lower her guard, and having a radar to spot what will translate well to the bedroom.

Any casas open today?

They seem to all be closed for the holiday.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;1608994]Why wouldn't you call a taxi from Loutron to pick you up? I understand why you were stressed about waiting alone.[/QUOTE]Someone posted earlier about the Loutron new address. " about half a kilometer up" but forgetting to add. Very steep up. By my estimates, it is a about a full kilometer and all very steep uphill. That's why I choose to walk before I know the reality.

On the way back, I am very much disguted because of the unjustified high prices at loutron, so I choose to walk although the call taxi option is available. And since I already know the hill, I have no problem walk downhill.

Just another lesson that I learn from venturing off the beaten path.

PS. there is a bus station at the turnoff to Tesoro. The bus goes to Ave Oriental ( Carrera 46). For those of you who have problem hailing a taxi.

[QUOTE=TweedleD;1600862]A day or two with this guy might help you get oriented [URL]www.colombiajake.com[/URL].[/QUOTE]The new pricing for the rooms is right on the mark, and today took one of the two guys staying here Lance on a tour of the centro casas! Hit all in all about 12 and scored a couple of hotties at my new favorite casa. Take a look at my new levels of service and stay for as long as you like.

Thanks,

Jake

[QUOTE=RockTimes;1609780]Someone posted earlier about the Loutron new address. " about half a kilometer up" but forgetting to add. Very steep up. By my estimates, it is a about a full kilometer and all very steep uphill. That's why I choose to walk before I know the reality.

On the way back, I am very much disguted because of the unjustified high prices at loutron, so I choose to walk although the call taxi option is available. And since I already know the hill, I have no problem walk downhill.

Just another lesson that I learn from venturing off the beaten path.

PS. there is a bus station at the turnoff to Tesoro. The bus goes to Ave Oriental ( Carrera 46). For those of you who have problem hailing a taxi.[/QUOTE]New address for Lutron? How new are we talking? If I am not mistaken Lutron has not shifted from the large house on the hill in the last 4 years atleast. The last time I was there was 6 months ago. Did they move in the last 6 months?

[QUOTE=CJackSparrow;1608847]I found a casa via this girls.

Maria Isabel [URL]http://www.paisascort.com/maria-isabel-chica-prepago-con-cuerpo-natural-y-apto-en-laureles/[/URL].

Andrea she is also gone or changed name to [URL]http://www.paisascort.com/maria-isabel-chica-prepago-con-cuerpo-natural-y-apto-en-laureles/[/URL].

The location is; Cra 81 # 37 the (or be) -XX, to right to the little tobacco & candy" store, or "kiosqo" very close to the 81, I can't remember the number. It just across Exito, where the taxis stay.

I have lost the paper I wrote it on but it should be 99% correct.

Mamasan open ed at 5 pm and said the girls comes / back / at 8 pm. I said I can't wait, so she, a very sexy MILF, offered herself, but since she didn't do BBBJ, I left.

There are at least 2 girls on this site Paisa-scort that works at this location.

Price is 120 k.

Via a taxidriver I met; Dayana, 320 771 78 83. She was ugly though and I did not come, 120 k wasted. She came to my apartment, but has an aprtment with 1-2 other girls adjacent to parque LLeras, Calle 10 # XX.

[URL]http://www.sietepecados.co/ficha-dayana.html[/URL] she looks boring in real life, like a medium Peru-chick, thought I was back in frustrating Peru, where it's hard to find Paisa quality girls.

A ISG friend then sent Stefany and her prima to my apartment for 150 k for 2 hs. PM me for her and her primas cellular / whatssap.

Stefany is a wonderful little girl. I got photo and cel, PM me.

She is a former Mansion girl, but has not been there since some months she says.

This taxidriver had 50 flyers with locations so I will call him and go through his catalogue, the most of them seemed though to be ISG knowed places in El Centro etc. I will make a report out of it.[/QUOTE]CJackSparrow: great posts and good info my friend. Thank you for providing useful info on this forum.

I like Maria in the link below. Natural boobs and thin. Are both Maria and Andrea same as both links point to Maria.

[i]loma de los balsos.[/i] south east of the rio medellin.

1. * loutron, calle 16 a sur # 9 e-500, it is across from the paint ball game place on tessorro above the los balsos roundabout. just down a little bit from the speed bump. they built a new wooden gate. it's a one lane driveway to the top. you cannot see the house from the street. it is about a half mile higher up the road from the old location. 10-16 chicas. prices: cover 10 k, beer 10 k, chicas 130 k 20 min. 160 k 30 min. 210 k hour. 250 k 90 min. tel: 444 42 04, cell 313-230-2756. hours: monday to thursday noon to 11 pm, friday to saturday noon to 9 pm.

i don't know if this is the new or old place. sounds like the latest.

[quote=vitrea;1610196]new address for lutron? how new are we talking? if i am not mistaken lutron has not shifted from the large house on the hill in the last 4 years atleast. the last time i was there was 6 months ago. did they move in the last 6 months?[/quote]

So I was wondering if anyone has a clue as to how much the percentage cut is that the chica gets from the casa fee?

Curious as to what the range may be.

[quote=worldtravel69;1610216][i]loma de los balsos.[/i] south east of the rio medellin.

1. * loutron, calle 16 a sur # 9 e-500, it is across from the paint ball game place on tessorro above the los balsos roundabout. just down a little bit from the speed bump. they built a new wooden gate. it's a one lane driveway to the top. you cannot see the house from the street. it is about a half mile higher up the road from the old location. 10-16 chicas. prices: cover 10 k, beer 10 k, chicas 130 k 20 min. 160 k 30 min. 210 k hour. 250 k 90 min. tel: 444 42 04, cell 313-230-2756. hours: monday to thursday noon to 11 pm, friday to saturday noon to 9 pm.

i don't know if this is the new or old place. sounds like the latest.[/quote]that's correct. sorry, i am a newbie and i traced the thread about address change back to 2006.

this address is good as of last week. only change is 250 k for 1 hr now.

imho. the girl quality is the same as energy, blue room and abydos. and these places charge 1/2 the price.

[quote=worldtravel69;1610216][i]loma de los balsos.[/i] south east of the rio medellin.

1. * loutron, calle 16 a sur # 9 e-500, it is across from the paint ball game place on tessorro above the los balsos roundabout. just down a little bit from the speed bump. they built a new wooden gate. it's a one lane driveway to the top. you cannot see the house from the street. it is about a half mile higher up the road from the old location. 10-16 chicas. prices: cover 10 k, beer 10 k, chicas 130 k 20 min. 160 k 30 min. 210 k hour. 250 k 90 min. tel: 444 42 04, cell 313-230-2756. hours: monday to thursday noon to 11 pm, friday to saturday noon to 9 pm.

i don't know if this is the new or old place. sounds like the latest.[/quote]i know everyones taste is different, but why not try barra ejecutiva en el centro thursday-saturday? for less than half that you will see one diamond in the rough that is not jaded.

[QUOTE=HanshinBaka;1610263]I know everyone's taste is different, but why not try Barra Ejecutiva en el centro Thursday-Saturday? For less than half that you will see one diamond in the rough that is not jaded.[/QUOTE]I agree, but its so weird sometimes on Friday or Saturday the place is packed and the hottest girls are at tables with groups of guys. Other Fridays or Saturdays, I have seen those places dead. Mon- Thurs were always slow yet with many of the same chicas. Everybody says it, you just got to look around, have some patience. Every venue is hitor miss. Just depends what kind of scene you're looking for.

[QUOTE=HanshinBaka;1610263]I know everyones taste is different, but why not try Barra Ejecutiva en el centro Thursday-Saturday?[/QUOTE]Do you know the precise address of Barra Ejecutiva?

[QUOTE=HasideasTao;1610344]I agree, but its so weird sometimes on Friday or Saturday the place is packed and the hottest girls are at tables with groups of guys. Other Fridays or Saturdays, I have seen those places dead. Mon- Thurs were always slow yet with many of the same chicas. Everybody says it, you just got to look around, have some patience. Every venue is hitor miss. Just depends what kind of scene you're looking for.[/QUOTE]For some reason, to me Saturday. The stripclubs are always dead (girl wise) for me. I think they are all out partying.

You don't know what packed is until you have been to the Santa Fe stripclubs in Bogota. It's like rave, packed like sardines, Friday and Saturday. With Fase II level girls at Centro prices! Plus, no annoying tipping and free nude lapdances if you get a bottle.

[QUOTE=FoxesHunter;1610449]Do you know the precise address of Barra Ejecutiva?[/QUOTE]Did you ever hear about a handy little website called google? [URL]https://plus.google.com/118407429001283800002/about?gl=us&hl=en[/URL].

i don't remember where i picked up this address, but now i am getting calle 12 sur #10-245. it has the same phone number.

[quote=worldtravel69;1610216][i]loma de los balsos.[/i] south east of the rio medellin.

1. * loutron, calle 16 a sur # 9 e-500, it is across from the campo de paintball game place on tesoro above the los balsos roundabout. just down a little bit from the speed bump. they built a new wooden gate. it's a one lane driveway to the top. you cannot see the house from the street. it is about a half mile higher up the road from the old location. 10-16 chicas. prices: cover 10 k, beer 10 k, chicas 130 k 20 min. 160 k 30 min. 210 k hour. 250 k 90 min. tel: 444 42 04, cell 313-230-2756. hours: monday to thursday noon to 11 pm, friday to saturday noon to 9 pm.

i don't know if this is the new or old place. sounds like the latest.[/quote]

[QUOTE=TweedleD;1610595]Did you ever hear about a handy little website called google? [URL]https://plus.google.com/118407429001283800002/about?gl=us&hl=en[/URL].[/QUOTE]Don't you know you have to hold some these guys hands so they can find the mens room in bar.

[QUOTE=Bart1;1610683]Don't you know you have to hold some these guys hands so they can find the mens room in bar.[/QUOTE][URL]http://hotelmedellinplaza.com/[/URL]

I recon Colombia Jake or Boyd are up for the job? [URL]www.colombiajake.com[/URL].

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;1610668]I don't remember where I picked up this address, but now I am getting Calle 12 Sur #10-245. It has the same phone number.[/QUOTE]No, that is the old address. I verified it last week. It is now at the new address posted.

I added it to Matt's Map.

[URL]http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&dg=feature&msa=0&msid=206810231178282017429.000494779e6b2fb07f4d4[/URL]

But I am still not sure of the location, Calle 16 a sur #9 E-500.

[QUOTE=RockTimes;1610768]No, that is the old address. I verified it last week. It is now at the new address posted.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;1611424]I added it to Matt's Map.

[URL]http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&dg=feature&msa=0&msid=206810231178282017429.000494779e6b2fb07f4d4[/URL]

But I am still not sure of the location, Calle 16 a sur #9 E-500.[/QUOTE]Like everything else in Colombia, the address is out of nowhere to make any sense. On the map, it is in the general area, looks good to me. Just follow the direction posted.

Next time, I will return and post the GPS grid. That way, there is no more confusion.

By the way, I advocate on this board, posters use GPS grid. Why don't we do that to eliminate all the confusions? I had enough confusion in Colombia already.

[QUOTE=RockTimes;1611985]Like everything else in Colombia, the address is out of nowhere to make any sense. On the map, it is in the general area, looks good to me. Just follow the direction posted.

Next time, I will return and post the GPS grid. That way, there is no more confusion.

By the way, I advocate on this board, posters use GPS grid. Why don't we do that to eliminate all the confusions? I had enough confusion in Colombia already.[/QUOTE]Ditto on the GPS. That should be a monger world wide rule.

Sounds good, but some of us will need a lesson on how to use it.

I my case I use AT&T go phone plan that does not let me use the internet, only WiFi.

But, of course that is the USA. They want your money, money.

I remember being able to get the internet in Buenos Aires, AR. , using their sim cards, pay by the minute plan.

How do you use GPS, when you don't know where the place is?

I have seen some clubs and places around the world that do use GPS grid locations.

[QUOTE=RockTimes;1611985]Like everything else in Colombia, the address is out of nowhere to make any sense. On the map, it is in the general area, looks good to me. Just follow the direction posted.

Next time, I will return and post the GPS grid. That way, there is no more confusion.

By the way, I advocate on this board, posters use GPS grid. Why don't we do that to eliminate all the confusions? I had enough confusion in Colombia already.[/QUOTE]

I'm hearing reports of crime increases this summer in Medellin? I blend in pretty well, but my buddy is as gringo as they get. I would like to avoid getting stuck up after a pizza dinner in Parque Lleras, should we keep our tourist activities to daytime only? Or is this just paranoia setting in.

There does seem to be an uptick in crime reports. There was a shooting in front of see. See. Santa Fe which is normally a good area. An American was pistol whipped and robbed in front of the Hard Rock. It can be difficult getting a straight answer in this forum. For some reason if someone has not been personally attacked or robbed they seem to think it's safe for everyone else. It's up to you to decide what kind of precautions you want to take to reduce your chance of being a target. In the end it's mostly left of up dumb luck (or lack thereof).

[QUOTE=Eljefe7010;1612390]I'm hearing reports of crime increases this summer in Medellin? I blend in pretty well, but my buddy is as gringo as they get. I would like to avoid getting stuck up after a pizza dinner in Parque Lleras, should we keep our tourist activities to daytime only? Or is this just paranoia setting in.[/QUOTE]

I found the grid location for Loutron.

610'59"and 7532'53"W.

It seems to be way South of where I have it marked.

[url]http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=6.183089&lon=-75.548193&z=15&m=b&show=/24844270/Loutron[/url]

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;1611424]I added it to Matt's Map.

[URL]http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&dg=feature&msa=0&msid=206810231178282017429.000494779e6b2fb07f4d4[/URL]

But I am still not sure of the location, Calle 16 a sur #9 E-500.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Concarne;1610218]So I was wondering if anyone has a clue as to how much the percentage cut is that the chica gets from the casa fee?

Curious as to what the range may be.[/QUOTE]I've always heard 50% from the girls I've gotten to know.

[QUOTE=MdeJohn;1612684]I've always heard 50% from the girls I've gotten to know.[/QUOTE]Thanks mate!

I am going to put that supposition to the test and have as a bottom line level for arranging meetings outside work. We will see how it goes.

[QUOTE=Eljefe7010;1612390]I'm hearing reports of crime increases this summer in Medellin? I blend in pretty well, but my buddy is as gringo as they get. I would like to avoid getting stuck up after a pizza dinner in Parque Lleras, should we keep our tourist activities to daytime only? Or is this just paranoia setting in.[/QUOTE]Just Paranoia. Just don't go too crazy like going to the barrios looking for trouble late at night. Report back, even if you don't get mugged. Ha ha.

[QUOTE=Concarne;1610218]So I was wondering if anyone has a clue as to how much the percentage cut is that the chica gets from the casa fee?

Curious as to what the range may be.[/QUOTE]50 percent according to a couple of the girls I got to know fairly well.

[QUOTE=Eljefe7010;1612390]I'm hearing reports of crime increases this summer in Medellin? I blend in pretty well, but my buddy is as gringo as they get. I would like to avoid getting stuck up after a pizza dinner in Parque Lleras, should we keep our tourist activities to daytime only? Or is this just paranoia setting in.[/QUOTE]Lleras itself is fine at anytime but it is a good idea to get a taxi back to your hotel or apartment as the side streets around Pablado (or any part of Medellin for that matter) can be risky at night. Pre-booked taxis are the safest.

[QUOTE=Concarne;1612771]Thanks mate!

I am going to put that supposition to the test and have as a bottom line level for arranging meetings outside work. We will see how it goes.[/QUOTE]I think you will be disappointed if you think you will get casa chicas off site for anything near what they make fucking at the casa. If you get tln FOR 100,000 you will have done very well.

[QUOTE=Concarne;1612771]Thanks mate!

I am going to put that supposition to the test and have as a bottom line level for arranging meetings outside work. We will see how it goes.[/QUOTE]If the girl likes you and you put in for taxi. Doesn't matter if she takes the bus and saves the extra, include some money for a taxi in your equation. I have been in a few casas when the girls were getting paid and 50-60 % is about right. Try to arrange a time just before her time to start working or right after she gets out. It is much easier for them to arrange things with the babysitter or keep the facade up with their family / boyfriend / husband that they are going to a regular job or university and have to go a little early or stay a little late. Obviously not every girl has these things to consider and some may not be doing anything before or after work hours or may be established in the casa and can take off any time but most need to show up every day unless emergency or act of nature. 80-100 mil is about right for 1-2 hours of time spent depending on what casa you are picking her out from. Let us know your test results.

DP

[QUOTE=PapiQueRico;1612881]I think you will be disappointed if you think you will get casa chicas off site for anything near what they make fucking at the casa. If you get tln FOR 100,000 you will have done very well.[/QUOTE]They were coming in for same I paid for an hour and staying 90 min to 2 hours.

But I was working without baseline. Let's see how far the envelope can be pushed.

[QUOTE=Dpilzbo;1612978]If the girl likes you and you put in for taxi. Doesn't matter if she takes the bus and saves the extra, include some money for a taxi in your equation. I have been in a few casas when the girls were getting paid and 50-60 % is about right. Try to arrange a time just before her time to start working or right after she gets out. It is much easier for them to arrange things with the babysitter or keep the facade up with their family / boyfriend / husband that they are going to a regular job or university and have to go a little early or stay a little late. Obviously not every girl has these things to consider and some may not be doing anything before or after work hours or may be established in the casa and can take off any time but most need to show up every day unless emergency or act of nature. 80-100 mil is about right for 1-2 hours of time spent depending on what casa you are picking her out from. Let us know your test results.

DP[/QUOTE]In my experience I confirm all your points, from saving the extra money re taxis, to arranging times, to need to show up every day in the casa to price. I have always offered 100 k for 2 hrs, but with casa chicas I ask them to go in an hour or 2 late if starting time 1100 at the casa as I much prefer fresh rather a tired chica at 7 pm. What I like better is a centro strip club chica who starts at 4 pm as I much prefer a 1 pm encounter that a 9 or 10 am one. Some casas are very strict with arrival times of the chicas whereas than the strip clubs very lenient.

[QUOTE=Bart1;1613081]In my experience I confirm all your points, from saving the extra money re taxis, to arranging times, to need to show up every day in the casa to price. I have always offered 100 k for 2 hrs, but with casa chicas I ask them to go in an hour or 2 late if starting time 1100 at the casa as I much prefer fresh rather a tired chica at 7 pm. What I like better is a centro strip club chica who starts at 4 pm as I much prefer a 1 pm encounter that a 9 or 10 am one. Some casas are very strict with arrival times of the chicas whereas than the strip clubs very lenient.[/QUOTE]Now that is an insightful tip. Last time the strip club selection was weak when I was there so not partaking. But your point is well taken. Will do if the right paisa is around.

Ok guys, I know this may sound silly. I got the personal email of my favorite Colombian porn star; Sofia Nix. I never email a woman asking them to be an escort date.

I'm just asking for your expertise, how should I write this email?? Something, like. Hey, I'll be in Medellin at these dates and wanted to see if you want to meet up for a overnight date? I'll pay this amount? Etc.

I want to sound genuine and straight to the point. I know some of you have added girls on facebook and emailed them. Just want to know how you will approach is with the email.

If your able to pull it off let me know please. I have been to Medellin several times and her type is easy to find but there is something about her especially watching her on bangbros. Anyway just be upfront I'm visitng Medellin certain dates would like to go on a date or meet her. Would she be interested. If you need assistance to write in in Spanish just let me know ill be glad to help.

[QUOTE=Jergens007;1613522]Ok guys, I know this may sound silly. I got the personal email of my favorite Colombian porn star; Sofia Nix. I never email a woman asking them to be an escort date.

I'm just asking for your expertise, how should I write this email?? Something, like. Hey, I'll be in Medellin at these dates and wanted to see if you want to meet up for a overnight date? I'll pay this amount? Etc.

I want to sound genuine and straight to the point. I know some of you have added girls on facebook and emailed them. Just want to know how you will approach is with the email.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Concarne;1610218]So I was wondering if anyone has a clue as to how much the percentage cut is that the chica gets from the casa fee?

Curious as to what the range may be.[/QUOTE]Girls get 40% - 50% in Daytime Medellin MPs. House gets half or more. This is pretty standard in Medellin. Some will fine girls for going home early. The house can only gain from a girl hanging around. Normally the girls do not get fined for showing up late. This is to discourage the girls who are late from not showing up at all. This leads me to the next quote.

[QUOTE=Dpilzbo;1612978]80-100 mil is about right for 1-2 hours of time spent depending on what casa you are picking her out from. [/QUOTE]I would say this is about right. When arranging a date with Daytime MP girls I always stress the fact that I will pay for the taxi both directions. I tell them it will be fast and cost them nothing. Probably 20-25 k. Then I offer 50 k-80 k. Never a problem. This is for dates before work or on their days off. I usually keep them for about 2 hours on average.

When meeting girls for dates one has to consider how much the girl is regularly getting for sex. If you are meeting girls in places where they are making 100 k-200 k / hr in comparison to 45 k-60 k / hr you might want to offer another 20 k-30 k.

Have you ever wondered what is happening on the other end of phone when organizing something with one of these girls? I have had this pleasure on a number of occasions. Sitting next these girls, while they are talking to their bosses, is a light into the retarded world of these crazy bitches. I can't believe the things these girls say. I am like, "It is 10 am right now. Let's say we will be done more or less by noon. Why can't you just tell your boss that you will be in at 12:30. " Maybe make up a story that you have to watch your sister's kids until noon and then you will go straight to work. Being tardy for casual encounters is acceptable in Colombian culture. It is just easier, in the moment, to give an overly optimist guess and make the other person happy.

Here is another idea for some of you guys who meet girls through the internet. With some of the more popular girls it is easier to get them to come over in the late morning or early afternoon than in the evening. If you call around 10 ish surprisingly many of these girls will want to come over fairly quickly.

This is how these girls view time. If something starts a fixed time then they focus on making it on time. Jobs, doctors appointments, movies, etc. For other types of meetings their vocabulary doesn't make sense. For example, 15 minutes, 2 pm, right now, very close, etc.

If you don't talk to them like children and stick your foot to their ass they will jerk you around with their disorganized habits. Be charming and courtesy in the beginning and then stick your foot to their ass after they get to know you. Once they respect you outside the bed everything is better and things are easier in bed.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1606890]+1000!

Greg gave you very good advice Jergens007. But we understand that nothing anyone tells you is going to change your mind about getting what you are truly after.

There is a guy in the Cali thread peddling arranged services for such type models. Look him up.[/QUOTE]That guy was me! LOL back in 2009! Here was my report with photos of hot bikini models!

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?581-Cali-Reports/page67[/URL]

In Medellin for the weekend if anyone is interested to hang out! PM me.

Beware all on Thomas McDevitt from Jupiter Florida. He trashed my apt. In Medellin. Do not rent to him or trust him. He is a drug addict.

They captured organized crime extortionist operating in parque lleras.

"Convivir" is also in el poblado!

[URL]http://youtu.be/6LaixRuWr3o[/URL]

Sólo en español!

Since the new pricing $35 rooms the place has been full of you ISG brothers and I have enjoyed meeting every one of you! I have been taking some of you on tours in centro and others I have been setting up with cute fun girls to have fun with. Take a look at Jose Maria on the Colombia Jake website she speaks English and is a sweet uninhibited chica who wants to show you around and come back here for a good time. Thanks for your support and I look forward to your visit!

Jake

my experience in medellin was driven by four factors: age, wealth, trip length, and spanish ability. i'm mid-50's but look mid-40's, not insanely rich but not backpacking either, was there for two months, and speak spanish decently but not fluently. besides chasing girls, i got a lot of exercise, fresh air, and sleep.

in my two-month stay, i connected with.

- a 35-yo freebie i met through latin american cupid.

- a 37-yo freebie i met through tinder.

- a 40+ prepago i knew from a prior trip (worth it!

- a 22-yo facebook prepago from a prior trip, and.

- six new facebook prepagos all in their 20's.

i went on quite a few dates with girls i met on latin american cupid. only one of these resulted in sex. my sense is that cupid in medellin is picked over- too many fisherman and not enough fish. likely my experience would have been different if i was **** 40.

during prior trips i've visited the high-end strip clubs like la isla and fase ii. this trip i spent most of my cash on facebook prepagos so i skipped strip clubs. if you are in medellin for only a short time and tolerate a somewhat more professional experience, sessioning at strip clubs is an option.

i visited relax once with a friend but did not enjoy it. the girl was okay -- i'm just not a casa guy. if you are over 40 or only in town for a few days, casas may be a good option.

i stayed in an apartment in laureles. i like the tranquil and safe atmosphere of laureles. almost every day i walked to the stadium (estadio) and swam in the pool there. if you are in medellin for a longer period, laureles is a good option. if just in for a week or less, you might enjoy poblado more.

i like cruising shopping malls and often scheduled first-dates with cupid girls in shopping malls. my favorites are premium plaza, the small mall associated with the exito laureles (walking distance from my apartment), and gran plaza. this last one, gran plaza, i found near the end of my trip. i wish i had found it sooner. it's not especially well-known, but it shares the high level of eye-candy of el tesoro. located near the san antonio metro station, gran plaza was more accessible for me than el tesoro. if you are good at meeting girls in public, try gran plaza. my public pick-up game will get better as i become more confident with my spanish; i look forward to exploring this option during future trips.

this is the first trip i've put a lot of energy into facebook. and it paid off with some of the best sex of my life. beautiful girls who really responded when i treated them well. i repeated two of my facebook prepagos many times. my favorita is 150 mil cop per visit. i paid others between 100 mil and 240 mil. these prices include taxi fare to / from. not cheap, but worth it, imho.

if there is a downside to the facebook prepagos, and indeed to virtually all the girls in medellin, it is their utter lack of punctuality. with my gringo friends we often debated the reason for it. i'm not sure there is a simple explanation. just be aware that chicas often are late without explanation. two or three times i flat-out got stood up. so double-booking is something to be considered.

for those of you who are disappointed i haven't named names, shared fotos, or offered play-by-play, this forum is way too open for that. keep in mind that medellin can be a small town. you don't want to get a bad reputation with the chicas. most enjoyed snapping a few fotos before or during sex. too many details here and that cooperation could cease.

of course, medellin rewards those who speak spanish. if you don't, it can still be good- consider staying at the mansion. a friend of mine doesn't speak spanish but has a lot of travel experience. he arrived in medellin and had few problems with day-to-day living. but he has to pick his spots with women, as few women in medellin speak english. he uses his phone as a translator and settles for what is usually pretty simple communication.

i do not find medellin to be unsafe. i try not to go around late at night, especially alone in riskier neighborhoods. when i host girls in my apartment, i lock my valuables away; cell phones have a way of disappearing otherwise. and i don't wear jewelry -- or even bring it with me.

there's a popular facebook foto that says, "te amo medellin (i love medellin). " yes, i do.

Can someone tell me the exact address for Loutrons? I getting different addresses from different people and want to clarification.

Thanks

[QUOTE=Archimedes;1615535]
Of course, Medellin rewards those who speak Spanish. If you don't, it can still be good- consider staying at the Mansion. A friend of mine doesn't speak Spanish but has a lot of travel experience. He arrived in Medellin and had few problems with day-to-day living. But he has to pick his spots with women, as few women in Medellin speak English. He uses his phone as a translator and settles for what is usually pretty simple communication.

I do not find Medellin to be unsafe. I try not to go around late at night, especially alone in riskier neighborhoods. When I host girls in my apartment, I lock my valuables away; cell phones have a way of disappearing otherwise. And I don't wear jewelry -- or even bring it with me.

There's a popular Facebook foto that says, "Te Amo Medellin (I Love Medellin). " Yes, I do.[/QUOTE]Great report Archimedes. I especially love this line:

[QUOTE=Archimedes;1615535]
Of course, Medellin rewards those who speak Spanish.[/QUOTE]As with anything, you get out what you put in. Those who put in the time to learn Spanish will learn their trip experience will be on an entirely different level.

Your inbox is full, shoot me a pm when you clear it out.

[QUOTE=Jergens007;1604941]Hey all!

Last time I was in Medellin, back in 2008. I'm sure things have change and I'm going there on Sept 1st, 2014. I am into the high end caliber girls. Models, Porn Stars, Actress with big tits and big ass enhanced types. Not the street girls from Mayorsita or most of the girls who come by the mansion.

Anyone has any connections to the high end girls? When I was in Cali 2009, I got a hold of a madam who had connections to those chica audio girls. I was able to fulfill my fantasy by banging one of the hottest colombian bikini models. You can read my full detail Cali report by looking under my name and searching my past posts.

Anyone know how I can get a hold of Sofia Nix. She is a Colombian porn star on [URL]bangbros.com[/URL] she looks like Sofia Vergara and WOW! I want a night with her. Anyone who knows how I can get a hold of her, please pm me or let me know. I want 1 night with her!

You can also check out these lovely ladies too on this facebook page.

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Las-Mujeres-M%C3%A1s-Hermosas-Son-Las-Colombianas/109833205775157?sk=photos_stream[/URL]

Last time, I was in Medellin, I was at loutron and WOW!! That place have some stunners. I plan to go back there. Fase Dos was very good too! I know that was back in 2008 and I just want to know if these places are still good for the standard I am looking for? Any other new places you suggest?

Thank you all! Hope you're having fun and enjoying your time! You can private message me!

Cheers![/QUOTE]

I attacked on Cupid sites / I got expelled / offering hundreds of the most attractive one's 100.000 COP / day for one month, 3 M COP. $US 53/ day and $US 1600/ month.

Before I got expelled I got 44 positive answers. 44 negative one's, and many asking Why?

I simply don't have time for the whole process. It takes it's time to hunt a beauty down.

It is the third time I try a "money approach" on Cupid. I mention money and the girls are like flies all over me! If I send a romantic letter, who cares?!

100.000 COP don't buy you much normally. But with the 1 month deal, it will be 3 M COP, 5 times a minimum salary and 3 times more than a normal salary.

For doing very little. But just the service I really need. Without spending more time searching, flirting, waiting, transport etc etc. It's a day's project having sex with a new girl. That time must be used efficiently in the long run. After a while, after some trips, it's not exciting anymore meeting new girls, which practically are the same, but marriage isn't an option either.

What does $US53 or 40 buy us in the US or Europe?

Isabel, Yohana, Lina, etc. All said "Yes" directly.

I had like 44 very sexi and pretty girls interested. This at the very low fee of 100.000 COP / day. But they loved the idea for doing it a longer period.

Prepagos, semis, and pros, have a lot of costs. It's time consuming to find clients. I know girls on Paisasdivinas and New Life, that work 8-12 hours but, even if attractive, maybe just have 1-2 clientes, sometimes zero! So it's a good deal for them to! A girl from Energy turned my offer down. She liked the concept a lot, but she is very popular and makes 4. 5 M COP + tips at Energy.

What really happend was that Isabel was going to come here and we where about to start it, she sent several nice pic's to motivate me.

But I laso got contact with 2 of my absolutely favourite colombian girls, one young entrepreneur-like here in Medellin and a model / law student in Cartagena. They are not for free in a broader sence, but have a lot more style and can help me a lot with my personal projects here in Colombia.

So I never met with those hotties. I could have had 1, 2 or 3, depending how much attention I needed and how deep I was prepared to dive into my wallet.

The concept though is really good. The price get lower (absolutely LOW). As a boyfriend-client you get special treatment, even bareback etc. You don't have spend oceans of time to search girls. She has pretty friends when you want to experiment etc.

I was lucky that my favourites, even though I loose the always exciting prepago-sex, which I'm so addicted to, answered positively and I can now focus on them.

But as an option it is a very good deal.

For me it is.

I must mention that; "Paisa" girls are very possesive and jeaulous and a relationship can be a full-time project. Very economical, but very energy and time consuming.

A few very attractive girls replied of course that the money offered was way to little.

Some girls wrote back and became interested when I explianed that I'm I a period of full activity with studies, business etc, so searching, flirting among the most pretty on's isn't an option for me, but I need the relaxing company of a pretty lady to make those rational things to work, and they seemed happy with that explanation! Some of them didn't want money, but just start dating! But if I had asked in a proper way, they hardly respond on Cupid. It's like you have to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] them of, explain your self, ask forgivness, and then it's OK. But writing romantic letter on Cupid, it simply doesn't work at all.

"Money is the world's greatest aphrodisiac".

I am wondering when is the best time of the year to visit Medellin for most bangs and selections for your bucks? I heard November is good. What other months do you guys like to go to get the most for your money?

[QUOTE=CJackSparrow;1615919]I attacked on Cupid sites / I got expelled / offering hundreds of the most attractive one's 100.000 COP / day for one month, 3 M COP. $US 53/ day and $US 1600/ month.

[/QUOTE]So you're offerring chics you don't know, don't have chemistry with, but saw their profile on the net $1,600 a month?

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;1615933]So you're offerring chics you don't know, don't have chemistry with, but saw their profile on the net $1,600 a month?[/QUOTE]No kidding. I would need to try out the chica a few times before making a month-long commitment. And even if I dug her after a couple test-drives, I'd likely get sick of her after a few more. I don't go to Colombia or any other mongering locale to "wife up. " One can do that in the States (albeit with a chick closer to his age).

[QUOTE=CJackSparrow;1615919]I attacked on Cupid sites / I got expelled / offering hundreds of the most attractive one's 100.000 COP / day for one month, 3 M COP. $US 53/ day and $US 1600/ month.

Before I got expelled I got 44 positive answers. 44 negative one's, and many asking Why?

I simply don't have time for the whole process. It takes it's time to hunt a beauty down.

"Money is the world's greatest aphrodisiac".[/QUOTE]Wow! Excellent report. But my concern is what if I get bored after 1 week with beautiful lady, then what? Pay just 1 week? Or pay 1 month? Probably they will ask more money than 1 week. Even if she is so beautiful, you will get bored after few days. So what's next? Any suggestion?

Just spent a few days in Medellin. Had met a girl online and hit it off (cupid). But I started dating another girl and nicely explained that I was starting a relationship. She acted like she didn't care but sent me a few motivating pics like saying you missed out and she stopped talking to me. A few months pasted and my relationship ended fast, so I started to talk to her. Made plans to visit her, she offered to stay in her house ect. So I toke a quick trip tagging along with a co-worker who invited me to go with him to visit his family. I did not tell her that part, thought I had big points for the "I'm coming to Colombia just for you" card. First she started saying problems came up and could not get out of work early like planned. I was ok since I was with my co-working touring around Medellin and staying at his house. So Friday comes in and plans were made for sure to go out. I left my friends house and stayed at a hotel that afternoon. Again something came up and as soon as I got that text, I started to look for plan be now being on my own. I ended up going to Face II, Met two really nice girls early 20's but once I got a good close look. They weren't the 10/10 I thought they were but still probably a good 8/10.180 k for an hour and went very well. You pay there and walk next door to were they got nice rooms. They didn't bug me for going over the hour I think its mostly up to the girl if there having a good time. Next, I asked the taxi driver to take me to another place (2 am-4 am can't remember). He said he know one called the apple (la mansana) about 10 minutes away but when we got there it was closed. A block away was el tio gordo or also known as los gorodos I think. The girls are a lot cheaper there, but also less quality. I did see two really young must be 18-19 girls that just walked out with two guys. Didn't get a close look but regret getting there late. I would say 9/10 maybe even 10/10 because of there nice body and young face. Inside I saw only one 8/10 but I left. Was tired and also was going to try to go out the next morning with the online girl.

Next morning I ask the girl what happened and she told me she got of work late being Friday end of month bla bla and fell asleep as soon as she got home forgetting to text me. I told her I waited at the hotel and that again its ok. She asked if I wanted to go out later that day. I said yeah but I was already looking online where to go now. I went to this place called Luna Lunera at Av. 33 o 63 B - 221. They were a few girls, close to face II quality girls. 150 k for an hour and also good clean safe place. They say its 170-180 k at night I think. About half a block away is a bridge that crosses over the main road Lune Lunera is on. Right next to that bridge maybe a building next to it is a nice hotel. It seemed better than the hotel I was staying at the poblado and only for 70 k a night. Too bad they were full, but I plan to stay there next time. Its half a block from Luna and if you go the other way under the bridge theres bars if you want to try your luck at non pros. By that time my friend texted me to go to the movies but I waited about an hour to respond being busy with one of the Luna girls. I told yeah I'm ready to pick you up and didn't get a replay back that day. I was leaving the next morning, and tired of the prepago scene I called a friend (ex prepago I met 4 years ago) to go out. We always kept in touch and being friends nothing happened just went drinking and danced. She is getting back into the prepago business because it didn't go well for her recently. I told her wish she would of said something before but now being past 3 am I toke her home since I had to fly out soon soon. I'd say she is 7/10 or 8/10 depending on what your taste is. No English but her personally is a plus. Didn't talk about price but 4 years ago I know she wasn't one of those high price asking girls. I told her if its alright to give her number out and she said yeah it would help her.

Well I got to my hotel room at 4 am to catch my 4:20 am taxi to the airport (flight leaves at 6:45 AM). Made it with ease, next thing I remember was touching down in sweet USA. It was a good trip. I'm in my late 20's, speak Spanish well and get around well. I didn't know the internet girl in person but Skyped with her many times and whatsapp with her all the time. When I told her I left she told me storys of excuses and sorrys. I'll let her believe I was board at the hotel waiting for her I think she held a grudge from when I started dating my ex and planned to do this to me. I'll never know.

Oh and Calle 33 is a well known couple of streets that have lots of bars. And even during the day sometimes you find people just relaxing having a few drinks. A collage is just a few blocks away. And beware aat some hotels they try to do this. You bring a girl in and they'll say nothing till when she leaves. Than the receptionist comes knocking on your door and asks for the extra person fee. I clamed she didn't spend the night here. He said if a person stays more than 2 hours there is a fee. I asked to see where in the papers I signed it specified that term of the hotel. He argued it comes straight from the administrator and tomorrow they'll ask me. I said fine, I know what I signed and I'm not going to pay any ghost fees I didn't agree on. Next day, check out was smooth and friendly. Not one word about my pending fee. Pretty sure he just wanted this tip for not asking her to register on the entrance. Be safe all.

[QUOTE=Monger2012;1615929]I am wondering when is the best time of the year to visit Medellin for most bangs and selections for your bucks? I heard November is good. What other months do you guys like to go to get the most for your money?[/QUOTE]I made the mistake of going there during these months because it was always fucking raining every day and through out the day. By June it was perfect. As for get most of your money. Rain or shine the chicas will cost you no matter what time of the year it is so it depends on what you want and your negotiation skills.

[QUOTE=CJackSparrow;1615919]I attacked on Cupid sites / I got expelled / offering hundreds of the most attractive one's 100.000 COP / day for one month, 3 M COP. $US 53/ day and $US 1600/ month.

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[QUOTE=OldParr;1615948]One of the strangest characters that have graced the forum.[/QUOTE]You can say that again! LOL.

Always on a rant of some sort, but to each their own I guess.

[QUOTE=Ricker;1616128]You can say that again! LOL.

Always on a rant of some sort, but to each their own I guess.[/QUOTE]I attacked on Cupid sites / I got expelled / offering hundreds of the most attractive one's 100.000 COP / day for one month, 3 M COP. $US 53/ day and $US 1600/ month.

But, he may be onto something here. LAC and RL has a lot of girls who say they are interested in a serious relationship but if they are 'chippers' (discrete part timers) they will jump on the bait. We all know prepagos lurk on these sites but I propose there are many more then we think. As the economies of world continue to slide, more and more 'good' girls are turning to this way of life to survive, sad but true. They would never be streetwalkers but a discrete meeting with a foreign traveler is a perfect way for them to suplement their income. I think these site are ripe with students and single mom's who need more money.

Loutron Grid location.

I found the grid location for Loutron.

610'59"and 7532'53"W.

It seems to be way South of where I have it marked.

[URL]http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=6.183420&lon=-75.548215&z=18&m=b&show=/24844270/Loutron[/URL]

I added it to Matt's Map.

[URL]https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&dg=feature&msa=0&msid=206810231178282017429.000494779e6b2fb07f4d4[/URL]

But I am still not sure of the location, Calle 16 a sur #9 E-500.

[QUOTE=Jergens007;1615867]Can someone tell me the exact address for Loutrons? I getting different addresses from different people and want to clarification.

Thanks[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;1616192]I attacked on Cupid sites / I got expelled / offering hundreds of the most attractive one's 100.000 COP / day for one month, 3 M COP. $US 53/ day and $US 1600/ month.

But, he may be onto something here. LAC and RL has a lot of girls who say they are interested in a serious relationship but if they are 'chippers' (discrete part timers) they will jump on the bait. We all know prepagos lurk on these sites but I propose there are many more then we think. As the economies of world continue to slide, more and more 'good' girls are turning to this way of life to survive, sad but true. They would never be streetwalkers but a discrete meeting with a foreign traveler is a perfect way for them to suplement their income. I think these site are ripe with students and single mom's who need more money.[/QUOTE]LOL "One of the strangest characters that have graced the forum. ".

Yes. As I said. I only attacked the most beautiful one's and got tens of positive respones before admin threw me out. But it's 5 min to open a new account.

If I ask romanticly; 10% of the answeres and much slower. Mentioning money confirms the above proverb 100%. I was overwhelmed. My inbox filled, my whatsapp rang constanly.

And, I'm a standard-guy.

Yes, it could be a pain having a boring girlfriend for a month. But 100 k pesos a day isn't much if you have other things to do in Medellin, this months I have to study and take contact with som serious persons and I simply have no time for flirting around. Look at Rick52 and his girlfriend. Typical paisa. Waiting and waiting and waiting! If you have things do be done and misses a dead line, an examina or going out with another girl or just having fun instead of Waiting.

The girls answering where sinlge moms 18-30 or students. Needing money, but becoming prepago as not an option. Many girls maybe can't become prepagos since it would be noticed. Dating a foreigner is a total different thing. They canåt maybe even imagine having sex with tons of guys, many maybe drunk and dirty. One boring foreigner, but at least healty and clean. So bargain price accepted if repeted for one month!

And for them 3 millions a month is 2-5 times more what they normally get paid, working 48-60 hs a week. If she likes you, no harm is done to either part.

I will consider it an option when needed. And I recommend it. These girls can charge much as prepagos.

I would say if they worked at Energy, New Life, Luna Lunera, Fase II, or Paisasdivinas, they would have been among the the most popular one's.

PM me for some photos and links to their profiles if interested.

Thanks for the good information. I wasn't familiar with most of the places you mentioned and will check them out on my next trip. Always great to get good insider info from fellow board members. My first trip to MDE was around 1 month ago and would highly recommend Mayorista around 11 pm to 1 am. Some amazing talent.

[QUOTE=Rick52;1616018]Just spent a few days in Medellin. Had met a girl online and hit it off (cupid). But I started dating another girl and nicely explained that I was starting a relationship. She acted like she didn't care but sent me a few motivating pics like saying you missed out and she stopped talking to me. A few months pasted and my relationship ended fast, so I started to talk to her. Made plans to visit her, she offered to stay in her house ect. So I toke a quick trip tagging along with a co-worker who invited me to go with him to visit his family. I did not tell her that part, thought I had big points for the "I'm coming to Colombia just for you" card. First she started saying problems came up and could not get out of work early like planned. I was ok since I was with my co-working touring around Medellin and staying at his house. So Friday comes in and plans were made for sure to go out. I left my friends house and stayed at a hotel that afternoon. Again something came up and as soon as I got that text, I started to look for plan be now being on my own. I ended up going to Face II, Met two really nice girls early 20's but once I got a good close look. They weren't the 10/10 I thought they were but still probably a good 8/10.180 k for an hour and went very well. You pay there and walk next door to were they got nice rooms. They didn't bug me for going over the hour I think its mostly up to the girl if there having a good time. Next, I asked the taxi driver to take me to another place (2 am-4 am can't remember). He said he know one called the apple (la mansana) about 10 minutes away but when we got there it was closed. A block away was el tio gordo or also known as los gorodos I think. The girls are a lot cheaper there, but also less quality...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=UsbDawg;1616530]Thanks for the good information. I wasn't familiar with most of the places you mentioned and will check them out on my next trip. Always great to get good insider info from fellow board members. My first trip to MDE was around 1 month ago and would highly recommend Mayorista around 11 pm to 1 am. Some amazing talent.[/QUOTE]If you think that Mayorista is amazing talent then you haven't really seen what Medellin has to offer, not even close. There are the occasional gems that run through there but generally the Mayo girls are quite a few rungs below what is available in the city.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;1616200]Loutron Grid location.

I found the grid location for Loutron.

610'59"and 7532'53"W.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RockTimes;1611985]
Next time, I will return and post the GPS grid. That way, there is no more confusion.

By the way, I advocate on this board, posters use GPS grid. [/QUOTE]As far as I know from someone who visited Loutron with a GPS in one hand and a pack of condoms in the other, this is the correct GPS location of Loutron:

06 11.086, W 075 33.273.

The street view on google maps looks like it, or is that the old address?

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/place/611'05.2%22N+7533'16.4%22W/@6.1851761,-75.5545961,3a,90y,176.32h,71.01t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sZyw8cOk3BY7G7uHGFetj4w!2e0!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x0!6m1!1e1[/URL]

Here are screenshots of the streetview attached for verification.

[QUOTE=Monger2012;1615929]I am wondering when is the best time of the year to visit Medellin for most bangs and selections for your bucks? I heard November is good. What other months do you guys like to go to get the most for your money?[/QUOTE]MDE is a year round city; mongering here is like our weather. Very little ups and downs (except for major holidays). Highly unlikely that some months are better than others.

[QUOTE=CJackSparrow;1615919]I attacked on Cupid sites / I got expelled / offering hundreds of the most attractive one's 100.000 COP / day for one month, 3 M COP. $US 53/ day and $US 1600/ month.

Before I got expelled I got 44 positive answers. 44 negative one's, and many asking Why?

I simply don't have time for the whole process. It takes it's time to hunt a beauty down...................

Some girls wrote back and became interested when I explianed that I'm I a period of full activity with studies, business etc, so searching, flirting among the most pretty on's isn't an option for me, but I need the relaxing company of a pretty lady to make those rational things to work, and they seemed happy with that explanation! Some of them didn't want money, but just start dating! But if I had asked in a proper way, they hardly respond on Cupid. It's like you have to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] them of, explain your self, ask forgivness, and then it's OK. But writing romantic letter on Cupid, it simply doesn't work at all.

"Money is the world's greatest aphrodisiac".[/QUOTE]Nice post. You have a different perspective on things, which is the purpose of this forum. Thank you for sharing your thoughts, experiences and even names. Kudos.

[QUOTE=Monger2012;1615929]I am wondering when is the best time of the year to visit Medellin for most bangs and selections for your bucks? I heard November is good. What other months do you guys like to go to get the most for your money?[/QUOTE]The best time for me is when it is 10 degrees below zero where I live! As far as bangs and selection, just about anytime is good. The only exception might be Good Friday and even then if you have contacts, you'll be OK.

Leidy and Mariana from Bello was here, they where not from my list, to average looking for that. But I thought it could be nice to be nice!

Two medium girls. It showed that they have hard finding customers, much lies, and bla blaha.

Thank God they left.

I had Isabel, one of Cupids most popular girls, here last night. It was an awesome experience / PM me /.

I thought I was going to be a good Samaritan, helping my newly met friend Leidy out, but she became so tiredsome with her lies, I nearly threw them out, only the risk of scandal prevented me from being really harsh on those pain-in -the -XXX -girls.

That is the risk of taking home not so good looking girls. They need some lies to get customers, promising this and that, which was not necessary at all, I accepted them as they where.

It must be that they have a hard time finding extranjeros. I mentioned The Mansion, and Leidy was on the Internet a second later, but she would have had little success there, I think.

I think that people here except foreigners to go out with elegant girls, I felt going out with two low class girls, I did not mind, but will defitively not repeat.

Logic might seem that medium girls are cheaper. They are in fact more expensive since they are so desperate that you in the end are not paying for sex, you literally pay them to leave.

The beautiful one's, they can choose among the extranjeros or High society colombians, with most of them you will have a good time.

It was a defeat.

I learned a lesson.

It reminds me of Buenos Aires. Girls are like that; medium looks and every second finding a way to get more money of you, like it's their very last chance to make money = total turn-off.

Bello is full of these girls. I don't know how many Bello-girls I have been in contact with, but they are everywhere, and they lack style and manners. Avoid if you want a good time and dining with an elegant girl. They are the opposite!

From my attack on the Cupid sites I choose Isabel.

We met on Friday, had a long interesting discussion, and after some alcohol it bceame XXX, which was awesome.

Isabel is a classical beauty, symmetric face, long waivy hair, Bambi eyes, sensual lips, soft chinnamon skin. , 165 cm, 50 kilos.

A true Beauty! A 9+, almost a Perfect Ten.

Isabel doesn't work out a lot, but her shape is still a 9, all is proportionate. And every part is handmade by God Himself!

I just loved to watch her, it was fantastic to have her roll around in different positions.

She felt " like a prepago" coming to my apartment, worried what neighbours would think.

But it went well and it was an unforgettable experience.

I don't know how it will be. We agreed on a 1 months, but she seems worried about this.

She needs time I think, to get to know me. I don't blame her. I will fall in love deeply, that is the only thing I know, if we continue.

On the other hand there are many other girls just waiting for me to contact them, or buy You Guys!, with the 1-month-proposal.

However, Girls doesn't think in therms of 100 k / day, they just think money and sex, nothing more, paisas are super emotional and not at all like Anglo-Saxon practial women, they act on impuls and it becomes wthat it becomes, it's like watching a circus many times.

So it becmoes what it becomes; Que sera, sera!

Isabel maybe was a mayfly, but there are always more girls than you can take care of. I thereby mean; 8-9-10 girls.

Foreigners with blue eyes still are exotic in Medelland.

When I walk around in CC Unicentro I get attention from Las Guapas, and so do you!

Well. There are now a funny situation; I have 2 girls to meet that are not from The List. Actually it is one who turned me down, but accepted my apology and we will date next week, she is awesome. The second one is a very-hard-to-reach Model from Cartagena, who actually was the one who inspired me to the 1-month-proposal. She is a narsicist and of course I fall in Love with such impossible personalities, we all do, she is dangerous, elegant and are beautiful, on a higher level that the 10-point scale can't grasp.

[QUOTE=CJackSparrow;1617719]Bello is full of these girls. I don't know how many Bello-girls I have been in contact with, but they are everywhere, and they lack style and manners. Avoid if you want a good time and dining with an elegant girl. They are the opposite![/QUOTE]I think that is a very broad brush you are painting with. I have been with quite a few ladies from Bello, some very nice and also beautiful. Many of the ladies live in Bello because it is relatively safe, and apartments / houses are cheaper than most of the other suburbs.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;1618351]I think that is a very broad brush you are painting with. I have been with quite a few ladies from Bello, some very nice and also beautiful. Many of the ladies live in Bello because it is relatively safe, and apartments / houses are cheaper than most of the other suburbs.[/QUOTE]Yes of course, I was in affect.

But many of the girls I have met from Bello are like that, but of course it was an overgeneralization.

Leidy last Thursday and Saturday and today another Leydy just wants to come to my apartment for sex and money. Leydy today denied she is a prepago when asked, but maybe have some other tricks. It feels that they are totally unrelieable, those Bello girls.

But as a whole, you are right, it is easy to draw bad conclusions with little info.

But then again, it's like they play a game and change in the middle of the date or even sex. I had a Stefy here who while performing BBBJ started pestering me for more money. Funny situation, LOL! But it's totally impossible to find a barrio girl that I want to repeat with. It has never happend, maybe they don't want to repeat, so they charge so much they can and hunt down next victim, it's not sex, it's Sex-terrorism they perform, you pay for a service, but get pestered, very unpleasant experiences.

Another Bello girl now popped up while writing this. She now allows me to do porn with her, she is stuck in Huila, Neiva. I'm supposed to send her 200 k via WU. Maybe she will keep her promise, since we know each other.

My formula is; Bellogirl = sex & money + Pestering = close to rage.

[QUOTE=Sympalogy;1616933]As far as I know from someone who visited Loutron with a GPS in one hand and a pack of condoms in the other, this is the correct GPS location of Loutron:

06 11.086, W 075 33.273.

The street view on google maps looks like it, or is that the old address?

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/place/611'05.2%22N+7533'16.4%22W/@6.1851761,-75.5545961,3a,90y,176.32h,71.01t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sZyw8cOk3BY7G7uHGFetj4w!2e0!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x0!6m1!1e1[/URL]

Here are screenshots of the streetview attached for verification.[/QUOTE]Oh, no. The pictures are of the old address. Follow uphill and curve to the right, about 1 kilometro more. To the new place.

Jackson's spell checker screwed up the grid symbols.
6°10'59"N 75°32'53"W

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;1616200]Loutron Grid location.

I found the grid location for Loutron.

6°10'59"N 75°32'53"W

It seems to be way South of where I have it marked.

[URL]http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=6.183420&lon=-75.548215&z=18&m=b&show=/24844270/Loutron[/URL]

I added it to Matt's Map.

[URL]https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&dg=feature&msa=0&msid=206810231178282017429.000494779e6b2fb07f4d4[/URL]

But I am still not sure of the location, Calle 16 a sur #9 E-500.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;1618952]Jackson's spell checker screwed up the grid symbols.
610'59"N 7532'53"W[/QUOTE]Hey World Travel 69.

How were you able to disable the spell checker?

I noticed when I previewed my post that it messed up the GPS coordinates no matter what I tried, but yours show up correctly.

But you can fool it, by editing your post.

Add it again and again if you have to.

I added it in the Google map info box and it changed it also.

Weird.

[QUOTE=Sympalogy;1618964]Hey World Travel 69.

How were you able to disable the spell checker?

I noticed when I previewed my post that it messed up the GPS coordinates no matter what I tried, but yours show up correctly.[/QUOTE]

Loutron, Calle 12 Sur, No. 10-245; GPS position is North 06 11.086, West 075 33.273 which is about the same as reported below. See my report #5765 this thread.

[QUOTE=ParamAhmad;1619334]Loutron, Calle 12 Sur, No. 10-245; GPS position is North 06 11.086, West 075 33.273 which is about the same as reported below. See my report #5765 this thread.[/QUOTE]From what I understood, Loutron has changed location. A bit higher on the same road.

That's why all this fuss about the "New" GPS position.

[QUOTE=Sympalogy;1619589]From what I understood, Loutron has changed location. A bit higher on the same road.

That's why all this fuss about the "New" GPS position.[/QUOTE]I can attest to this fact because I was there at both locations. In Aug 2014.

The correct new operating casa is at Calle 16 A Sur # 500 E. Don't know about GPS.

The Calle 12 address and the pics posted are of old location. I did knock and ring at the door without any reponses.

From the old location, go uphill and curves to the right in the direction of Las Palmas, about 1 Km, look for a wooden porch like one in western movie with the clear inscription Calle 16 A Sur # 500 E on your right as you go uphill.

Wow. LOL.

No wonder why newbies don't rtft here!

Here is photo of both places locations.

[QUOTE=RockTimes;1619708]I can attest to this fact because I was there at both locations. In Aug 2014.

The correct new operating casa is at Calle 16 A Sur # 500 E. Don't know about GPS.

The Calle 12 address and the pics posted are of old location. I did knock and ring at the door without any reponses.

From the old location, go uphill and curves to the right in the direction of Las Palmas, about 1 Km, look for a wooden porch like one in western movie with the clear inscription Calle 16 A Sur # 500 E on your right as you go uphill.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;1619762]Here is photo of both places locations.[/QUOTE]From the photo, the new location looks a bit far out from the street.

How would you get there from the road?

And is the wooden porch that RockTimes talks about on the road or in the building, because the whole building looks like it is in the middle of a land with a dirt road or something leading to it.

[QUOTE]foreigners with blue eyes still are exotic in medelland.[/QUOTE]Score! Yes!

Hola,

I'm in Medellin now and I'd like to write some impressions. I chatted for some days with a beautiful and regular and poor girl before reaching Medellin. She is beautiful, kind and honest. I get from her very sweetness, I gave her 150 k every time plus the money for the taxi. She allowed me sex without condom and "besitos" only. But she did not like sex. After 3 days I have abandoned her. I now can say I've been too long with her. Then I have been at Mayorista for one night. I slept at Monterrey hotel (very good) with 27 k pesos. There are many girls, I found a real pearl. She was "atrevida" and liked sex a lot. Even allowed me to film her while dancing naked. I paid 50 k for more than one hour. She liked to meet me again on Saturday but I had another schedule. About Mayorista I can tell it is a safe place and it is very nice hunting. The follow day I went to to iglesia Veracruz near plaza Botero. In the day there were many "putas", around 30-40 but unlike Mayorista I did not see one fuckable girl. All were very very ugly. But I have to tell my tastes are difficult to satisfy. Usually I like three or four girls in a hundred.

I hope my writings can help you.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;1620034]Score! Yes![/QUOTE]Depends greatly on which part of Medellin one is in. Poblado not so much.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;1620034]Score! Yes![/QUOTE]I write to promote Medellin, since many do not. I remember a discussion here 2009, one group with Frank Monger claimed Medellin-Paradise, the other, claimed "we are under siege".

Promoting Medellin to newcomes are the right thing to do!

Poblado, no, but even an area as Laureles, yes, you see very few foreigners!

Parque Lleras and Poblado seems artifical, it's not the real Medellin.

Many prominent persons actually have moved from Poblado since it's to much built on fast and / or dishonest money. The real families of Medellin despise Poblado. This are paisa friends words, not mine.

Outiside Poblado / Parque Lleras you will have much better odds, in the everyday life.

Parque Lleras is filled with $$$ looking girls, often arrogant, used to be spoiled by their rich colombian or foreigner boyfriends, it's fighting against bad odds.

Isabel got 400 the first date, 300 in advance, but she then she went out with other guys.

She did not comply to the rules and I told her, that I have many friends that are likely to be fooled by you so I will tell them!

Today she started with that she wants to go to Cartagena with me, today!, then next, Santa Fe de Antioquia, or San Geronimo. , no that was to simple, and a couple of minutes later she is worried about her economy, a lot of bills coming in. All that in 15 minutes.

When she finally said she had to pay many bills tomorrow, I countered with that she had not honoured our agreement and that I would publish her profile here if not coming to my apartment to make a new deal.

She then hid her profile on ColombianCupid, but promised to come and give back my money, 10.30 pm, but of course she didn't. Her short but intensive presence at the site must have been an economical boost for her since she was the most popular this month.

She has class, but she has not. Like so many other Colombian girls; they want sex & money, and they don't want to be bored, or think or the future.

The future might be minimum wage; and have you been a Princess, that is a reality change that the girls here will fight to the bitter end to prevent, extending their youth up to 35 even 40 utilizing all that the modern science has to offer.

She is a Little Shewolf, well disguised as a very social, pretty and happy girl.

However, I gave her the offer to see if she was into it for real, since she studies International Business and we actually made promise to work on my project. Discussing it for 2 hours. So I needed to pay her in advance to see if she would take the bite, or if she was into it for real. She was not into anything for real.

After XXX, on her initiative, she went to next "extranjero" (officially job interview), and then the next, which is the normal Modus Operandi for this kind of Paisa Girl.

They collect so much money they can in a short period, before being "caught" and then withdraw, but there are also an Old Guard of professionals, 22 of the most pretty / popular one's that continue to being on Cupid, year after year.

So my tactic failed.

I will attack again!

I got a lot of PM after the presentation of my tactic, I now know that guys must have thought of, or already tried a similar model.

The theoretical basis is a loan from LegalTenders "scholarship" model.

Which he is invited to tell us more about!

The adventure of meeting new girls everyday comes and goes in waves if you life here long-term.

I think one fixed babe is the best option for me now, but returning in 2015, New Life, Cupid, Energy, Parque Lleras, the streets, all those options will be zones of attack! After spending time in Sexprison, the hunger is enormous! Nothing can change that!

Well beware of the little Shewolf Isabel, she is though just one among many, with the intension of bringing home a lot of $$$ in a very short time.

There are also another girl, YULY 29 yo // which she has been for 4 years now // that by accident left her Skype open for me to listen while she spoke of her "strategy" with a friend. She has developed some skills to make men fall into her traps.

Attack under this circumstances are foolish, but what if all Paisas are like this, which they seem to be. My X Paisa Girlfriend, a young Stunner proclaimed that the majority of the Paisas are like this.

They want sex with foreigners, and they want as much money they can get. Here & Now!

It's Paisa / Colombiana culture.

You can't separate the one from the other. You will feel like a King having sex with a girl like Isabel, and many times it's worth the money spent, since this service is rarely to be found elsewhere in the world, with girls that are 8-9-almost Perfect 10's.

So options considering personality type are very limited, the typical paisa is made in 50-100.000 copies, counting the 10-20% of the girls ready for action, 18-33 yo.

The discrimination of the Anglo-Saxon guys here are enormous, both the positive and negative discrimination.

Mostly you benefit from it.

Enjoy!

I leave the battlefield temporarily driven back, but also having lost a lot of valuable time since Isabel were on board for 13 days.

Practically a Disaster!

Isabel got 400 the first date, 300 in advance, but she then went out with other guys.

She did not comply to the rules and I told her, that I have many friends that are likely to be fooled by you so I will tell them!

Today she started with that she wants to go to Cartagena with me, today!, then next, Santa Fe de Antioquia, or San Geronimo. , no that was to simple, and a couple of minutes later she is worried about her economy, a lot of bills coming in. All that in 15 minutes.

When she finally said she had to pay many bills tomorrow, I countered with that she had not honoured our agreement and that I would publish her profile here if not coming to my apartment to make a new deal.

She then hid her profile on ColombianCupid, but promised to come and give back my money, 10.30 pm, but of course she didn't. Her short but intensive presence at the site must have been an economical boost for her since she was the most popular this month.

She has class, but she has not. Like so many other Colombian girls; they want sex & money, and they don't want to be bored, or think or the future.

The future might be minimum wage; and have you been a Princess, that is a reality change that the girls here will fight to the bitter end to prevent, extending their youth up to 35 even 40 utilizing all that the modern science has to offer.

She is a Little Shewolf, well disguised as a very social, pretty and happy girl.

However, I gave her the offer to see if she was into it for real, since she studies International Business and we actually made promise to work on my project. Discussing it for 2 hours. So I needed to pay her in advance to see if she would take the bite, or if she was into it for real. She was not into anything for real.

After XXX, on her initiative, she went to next "extranjero" (officially job interview), and then the next, which is the normal Modus Operandi for this kind of Paisa Girl.

They collect so much money they can in a short period, before being "caught" and then withdraw, but there are also an Old Guard of professionals, 22 of the most pretty / popular one's that continue to being on Cupid, year after year.

So my tactic failed.

I will attack again!

I got a lot of PM after the presentation of my tactic, I now know that guys must have thought of, or already tried a similar model.

The theoretical basis is a loan from LegalTenders "scholarship" model.

Which he is invited to tell us more about!

The adventure of meeting new girls everyday comes and goes in waves if you life here long-term.

I think one fixed babe is the best option for me now, but returning in 2015, New Life, Cupid, Energy, Parque Lleras, the streets, all those options will be zones of attack! After spending time in Sexprison, the hunger is enormous! Nothing can change that!

Well beware of the little Shewolf Isabel, she is though just one among many, with the intension of bringing home a lot of $$$ in a very short time.

There are also another girl, YULY 29 yo // which she has been for 4 years now // that by accident left her Skype open for me to listen while she spoke of her "strategy" with a friend. She has developed some skills to make men fall into her traps.

Attack under this circumstances are foolish, but what if all Paisas are like this, which they seem to be. My X Paisa Girlfriend, a young Stunner proclaimed that the majority of the Paisas are like this.

They want sex with foreigners, and they want as much money they can get. Here & Now!

It's Paisa / Colombiana culture.

You can't separate the one from the other. You will feel like a King having sex with a girl like Isabel, and many times it's worth the money spent, since this service is rarely to be found elsewhere in the world, with girls that are 8-9-almost Perfect 10's.

So options considering personality type are very limited, the typical paisa is made in 50-100.000 copies, counting the 10-20% of the girls ready for action, 18-33 yo.

The discrimination of the Anglo-Saxon guys here are enormous, both the positive and negative discrimination.

Mostly you benefit from it.

Enjoy!

I leave the battlefield temporarily driven back, but also having lost a lot of valuable time since Isabel were on board for 13 days.

This must be consdidered a serious blow to my plan to hire a GFE for 1 month!

[QUOTE=CJackSparrow;1620247]


Today she started with that she wants to go to Cartagena with me, today!, then next, Santa Fe de Antioquia, or San Geronimo. , no that was to simple, and a couple of minutes later she is

The discrimination of the Anglo-Saxon guys here are enormous, both the positive and negative discrimination.

Mostly you benefit from it.

Enjoy!

I leave the battlefield temporarily driven back, but also having lost a lot of valuable time since Isabel were on board for 13 days.

This must be consdidered a serious blow to my plan to hire a GFE for 1 month![/QUOTE]I do admire your tenacity, but you are a PFP schizophrenic LOL.

You want a hooker for a month, but want her to be honest and straight-forward and not act like a hooker.

I think your going to drive yourself nuts really!

Those internet sites to find Love (Amigos, cupidos, etc) maybe used to be somewhat up and up, but obviously now are crowded with PFP girls, which is cool if you know it and play it that way.
Don't be so surprised when you discover that they're in it for the quick buck (peso) duhhh.


We're all free to roam and seek girls as we like, and your project is interesting, though frustrating to you it seems.

I sure wouldn't go about it like you, however, I enjoy reading the reports of your PFP follies! LOL.

Good luck amigo.

[QUOTE=CJackSparrow;1620187]
Parque Lleras is filled with $$$ looking girls, often arrogant, used to be spoiled by their rich colombian or foreigner boyfriends, it's fighting against bad odds.[/QUOTE]Gee, I wonder why...

[QUOTE=CJackSparrow;1620236]Isabel got 400 the first date, 300 in advance

Today she started with that she wants to go to Cartagena with me, today!, then next, Santa Fe de Antioquia, or San Geronimo.[/QUOTE]

She is a Little Shewolf, well disguised as a very social, pretty and happy girl. LOL!

Don't tell me you were surprised. Remember this quote when dealing with Prepagos, "Expect the best, prepare for the worst".

I guess even the most seasoned of us mongers can be had. I had a novia in Bogota who I saw every couple of months for 3 years. We talked on the phone every other day or so. We even went to San Andreas island for 4 days together. Then I started to miss things. A necklace I bought in Peru of a Inca tribal symbol. Some cash here and there. I always locked my valuables up but after a few years I got careless. One day I was going to shower and forgot my shampoo in my luggage and came back into the room to find her jumping back in the bed and was very flustered. Later I realized I was $300 short. You can NEVER trust these girls. You may meet one who is honest but that would be a rare occurrence.

Always, always, always assume they are thieves and will screw you if given the opportunity. Also, never fall for the sob stories, I have heard it all over the years. No food, no rent money, Grandmother needs a doctor or medicine. The best one is the muggers stole my Christmas money. Bla, bla, bla. I prided myself on being one step ahead of this women but let your guard down once and you will find yourself taken advantaged of.

Hola amigos,

I'd like to reach La Manzana but before I'd like to know how much it is dangerous for a gringo alone. Is it working or closed? Are there many girls?

Some info?

As a friend of mine told me, "never give a latina the opportunity to disappoint you".

[QUOTE=BeersTerry;1620463]As a friend of mine told me, "never give a latina the opportunity to disappoint you".[/QUOTE]Yep, this is mongering 101 really.

Just have fun, play the game, say te quiero a lot LOL, never pay in advance if you don't have to, etc, etc.

Basically avoid doing what seňor Jack Sparrow does jejeje, just kidding amigo. (sort of).

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;1620332]She is a Little Shewolf, well disguised as a very social, pretty and happy girl. LOL!

Don't tell me you were surprised. Remember this quote when dealing with Prepagos, "Expect the best, prepare for the worst".

I guess even the most seasoned of us mongers can be had. I had a novia in Bogota who I saw every couple of months for 3 years. We talked on the phone every other day or so. We even went to San Andreas island for 4 days together. Then I started to miss things. A necklace I bought in Peru of a Inca tribal symbol. Some cash here and there. I always locked my valuables up but after a few years I got careless. One day I was going to shower and forgot my shampoo in my luggage and came back into the room to find her jumping back in the bed and was very flustered. Later I realized I was $300 short. You can NEVER trust these girls. You may meet one who is honest but that would be a rare occurrence.

Always, always, always assume they are thieves and will screw you if given the opportunity. Also, never fall for the sob stories, I have heard it all over the years. No food, no rent money, Grandmother needs a doctor or medicine. The best one is the muggers stole my Christmas money. Bla, bla, bla. I prided myself on being one step ahead of this women but let your guard down once and you will find yourself taken advantaged of.[/QUOTE]I have spent 6 months in each of the years in Colombia since 2010 and have had many chicas visit my hotel rooms and or apartment. I have never lost anything. When I recall visits in previous years to the DR I was lucky to have toothpaste in the morning let only cash. I can think of reasons why this is, I do not take street girls to my room, the other possibility is I am not a one week rico gringo visitor to el poblado throwing money to the wind. Most of the chicas that have visited my places I have met in the strip clubs and casas in el centro or have been recommended by other monger friends. So if they have been working in the same place for awhile they know they are traceable. By spending time with the same chica in a casa or club you can read them as long as you are thinking with your head and not junior. If you are using junior as your brain take the chica to a love hotel and carry only the cash for one night, your el cheapo camera if you want and a copy of your passport. Buena suerte.

[QUOTE=Ricker;1620464]Yep, this is mongering 101 really.

Just have fun, play the game, say te quiero a lot LOL, never pay in advance if you don't have to, etc, etc.

[B]Basically avoid doing what seňor Jack Sparrow does jejeje, just kidding amigo. (sort of).[/B][/QUOTE]Haha, I know I should not be chuckling, and I try not to. But guys and gents: Don't fool yourself that money will buy you affection.

You can rent sex, but affection is there, or not. Simple as that. In Colombia, and elsewhere.

Don't think / over analyse so much, keep it simple, and above all, as Ricker says: Just have fun! - Enjoy the ride.

Why so serious, Batman?

Regards, Ken Apples.

Oh, almost forgot - this is Déjà vu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=524BS0thExg

[QUOTE=CJackSparrow;1620247]

The adventure of meeting new girls everyday comes and goes in waves if you life here long-term.

I think one fixed babe is the best option for me now, but returning in 2015, New Life, Cupid, Energy, Parque Lleras, the streets, all those options will be zones of attack! After spending time in Sexprison, the hunger is enormous! Nothing can change that!


This must be consdidered a serious blow to my plan to hire a GFE for 1 month!

[/QUOTE]There are a million different variations on the prepago theme in Colombia.

From chicks that really can hardly stand to sleep with you and do it just for the money,,,,, all the way to chicks that really love the shit out of you. Who you are basically paying to be in a dead end relationship because you are married. And I have seen Colombianos carry on these types of relationships for years not months. But my guess is they didn't find these women in a working girl house or selling their ass on facebook. They just turned normal girls into their own personal prepagos.

[QUOTE=Bart1;1620479]I have spent 6 months in each of the years in Colombia since 2010 and have had many chicas visit my hotel rooms and or apartment. I have never lost anything. When I recall visits in previous years to the DR I was lucky to have toothpaste in the morning let only cash. I can think of reasons why this is, I do not take street girls to my room, the other possibility is I am not a one week rico gringo visitor to el poblado throwing money to the wind. Most of the chicas that have visited my places I have met in the strip clubs and casas in el centro or have been recommended by other monger friends. So if they have been working in the same place for awhile they know they are traceable. By spending time with the same chica in a casa or club you can read them as long as you are thinking with your head and not junior. If you are using junior as your brain take the chica to a love hotel and carry only the cash for one night, your el cheapo camera if you want and a copy of your passport. Buena suerte.[/QUOTE]Although never have been robbed, I have fell for a few sob stories more than once, just a small tax we pay for having been born in a land with more money, eh?

[QUOTE=Bart1;1620479]I have spent 6 months in each of the years in Colombia since 2010 and have had many chicas visit my hotel rooms and or apartment. I have never lost anything. When I recall visits in previous years to the DR I was lucky to have toothpaste in the morning let only cash. I can think of reasons why this is, I do not take street girls to my room, the other possibility is I am not a one week rico gringo visitor to el poblado throwing money to the wind. Most of the chicas that have visited my places I have met in the strip clubs and casas in el centro or have been recommended by other monger friends. So if they have been working in the same place for awhile they know they are traceable. By spending time with the same chica in a casa or club you can read them as long as you are thinking with your head and not junior. If you are using junior as your brain take the chica to a love hotel and carry only the cash for one night, your el cheapo camera if you want and a copy of your passport. Buena suerte.[/QUOTE]You may have just been lucky in Colombia. Although 4 years of experience is hardly a sufficient sample. Also my post was not an indictment of Colombia. I believe this to be true in all the countries I have visited besides Colombia. Brazil, Peru, Costa Rica, Nicaragua ect. The girl I speak of is not a street working girl, not even a prepago. She has a degree in accounting and working full time in that profession. She is also a night student pursuing a law degree, hardly the type of woman I would take to a love motel. Your overconfident attitude that you have because you stayed in Colombia for 6 months is the exact type of thinking to make you an easy target. I suspect the only thing that protected you from some petty theft is the fact that they knew you were staying longer and figured out they get more out of you over a period of time then to hit you right away. Best you be aware.

[QUOTE=LatinaLover#1;1620554]You may have just been lucky in Colombia. Although 4 years of experience is hardly a sufficient sample. Also my post was not an indictment of Colombia. I believe this to be true in all the countries I have visited besides Colombia. Brazil, Peru, Costa Rica, Nicaragua ect. The girl I speak of is not a street working girl, not even a prepago. She has a degree in accounting and working full time in that profession. She is also a night student pursuing a law degree, hardly the type of woman I would take to a love motel. Your overconfident attitude that you have because you stayed in Colombia for 6 months is the exact type of thinking to make you an easy target. I suspect the only thing that protected you from some petty theft is the fact that they knew you were staying longer and figured out they get more out of you over a period of time then to hit you right away. Best you be aware.[/QUOTE]I think it is a mistake to think that there is a a correlation between a girls education level and the likely hood she will steal from you.

I have had prepagos that I have seen at least two or three times a week for well over a year and never had one steal anything from me.

But I will admit I do test them after they get a taste of what it is like to be in my regular rotation. I purposely leave money out to see if they will take it. None has taken the bait so far. I have let a few go for lying.

I just spend too much time with these women to allow myself to be with someone that is fundamentally dishonest. I can live without true love but respect and appreciation that is an absolute must.

[QUOTE=MedellinGringo;1620714]I think it is a mistake to think that there is a a correlation between a girls education level and the likely hood she will steal from you.

I have had prepagos that I have seen at least two or three times a week for well over a year and never had one steal anything from me.

But I will admit I do test them after they get a taste of what it is like to be in my regular rotation. I purposely leave money out to see if they will take it. None has taken the bait so far. I have let a few go for lying.

I just spend too much time with these women to allow myself to be with someone that is fundamentally dishonest. I can live without true love but respect and appreciation that is an absolute must.[/QUOTE]I somewhat agree with you about the education level. This girl is from a very poor family and unfortunately they use poverty as an excuse to steal.

These girls are too smart to take money laying around. They are sneak thieves, you need to put it away, unlocked and they know where it is. Put 10 or 20 twenty dollar bills away and count it a day or 2 later and see what happens. Judging from your handle I guess your a full time resident of Medellin if so I'm not surprised they have not stole anything. You are the 'Golden Goose' a meal ticket a couple of times a week. If they stole from you that would kill the goose. The girls may be poor and uneducated but they are not stupid. My post was merely a reminder to be careful. I have a good friend in Rio who owns a lot of very nice apartments. He told me years ago on my first trip to Rio, never trust a Brazilian. He said Brazilians don't trust Brazilians. All his apartments had locks that you could lock from the inside with a key. So whenever you had a girl or a festa inside the girls could not sneak out while you slept with whatever they could steal and he would also check all the handbags when they were leaving. Not a pretty sight but still a very real hazard in our hobby. Let's not even get into the 'Devils Breath' some girls use.

Hi Everyone,

I have traveled to many different countries and am a seasoned hobbyist, but I have not ventured into Latin American much (with the exception of Panama last month. See report under Panama). The Columbian girls I met there were hot but had very poor service (with the exception of one girl). So upon the recommendation of a friend of mine who visits Columbia (and Medellin in particular), I will be visiting the lovely city the last week of October for about 1 week. My Spanish is minimal which I'm working on.

My two important criteria for women: fake tits and GFE (BBBJ, DFK, DATY).

I have read through reports here and am trying to put things together as much as possible to enjoy my trip. I was recommended to stay at the Mansion so I'll be splitting my time between there and an apartment rental in the area. I started doing the facebook and cupids thing but I don't know how to search for them. I want to know what the best plan is given that I'm looking for fake tits and GFE as much as possible. Also:

1. What are the best places for daytime action in Medellin in addition to arrangements?

2. What are the best places to find fake tits and GFE sex in general?

3. Any recommendations on threesomes?

4. Any porn stars providing services here?

5. The best casa's or strip clubs?

Also, if you have any direct contacts or links for girls with fake tits and GFE, that would be greatly appreciated. Please PM me if possible.

I would highly appreciate it and if any of you would like to get together during my stay, please let me know.

Thank You.

[QUOTE=LuvFake;1620953]Hi Everyone,

I have traveled to many different countries and am a seasoned hobbyist, but I have not ventured into Latin American much (with the exception of Panama last month. See report under Panama). The Columbian girls I met there were hot but had very poor service (with the exception of one girl). So upon the recommendation of a friend of mine who visits Columbia (and Medellin in particular), I will be visiting the lovely city the last week of October for about 1 week. My Spanish is minimal which I'm working on.

My two important criteria for women: fake tits and GFE (BBBJ, DFK, DATY).

I have read through reports here and am trying to put things together as much as possible to enjoy my trip. I was recommended to stay at the Mansion so I'll be splitting my time between there and an apartment rental in the area. I started doing the facebook and cupids thing but I don't know how to search for them. I want to know what the best plan is given that I'm looking for fake tits and GFE as much as possible. Also:

1. What are the best places for daytime action in Medellin in addition to arrangements?

2. What are the best places to find fake tits and GFE sex in general?

3. Any recommendations on threesomes?

4. Any porn stars providing services here?

5. The best casa's or strip clubs?

Also, if you have any direct contacts or links for girls with fake tits and GFE, that would be greatly appreciated. Please PM me if possible.

I would highly appreciate it and if any of you would like to get together during my stay, please let me know.

Thank You.[/QUOTE]If you like fake tits, Medellin is the right place! I'd say close to half the prepagos in MDE have fake tits (and lots of silicone asses also). Believe it or not, Cali has even more "enhanced" tits and asses than Medellin. Personally, I try to avoid it, but to each his own.

Your fellow guests at the Mansion will be a great source of advice for all your questions. IMO threesomes aren't that great in MDE. If you're determined to have great threesomes, I'd highly recommend going to Brasil. The prepagos in Brasil tend to be much more "liberal" than their Paisa counterparts. Actually much more liberal than their counterparts in any country! If you really need to do it in MDE, make sure that you have experienced each girl separately before doing them both together. And if you want them to do stuff with each other, make sure this is specified beforehand. Lots of chicas will agree to a threesome, but they won't munch each others' pussies or will only do so very unenthusiastically.

It's almost impossible to specifiy the best casas and strip clubs at any particular time. This tends to run in cycles. The lineups constantly change, the girls go from one place to another. If Boyd is down there during your visit, he's the best guy to take you on a tour of the Centro casas. You can hit 8 or 10 places in an afternoon, and you can judge for yourself which one has the best talent.

[QUOTE=LuvFake;1620953]

The Columbian girls I met there were hot but had very poor service (with the exception of one girl). So upon the recommendation of a friend of mine who visits Columbia (and Medellin in particular)

[/QUOTE]Have fun in ColOmbia!

ColOmbian girls in Panama can be very jaded and not a good representation of the ColOmbianas in country.

[QUOTE=TweedleD;1600862]A day or two with this guy might help you get oriented [URL]www.colombiajake.com[/URL].[/QUOTE]The month of September has been just about full with a Horny pilot and a American English teacher who teaches in Japan. School starts next week so he's leaving soon. With my new low rates guys are staying longer which is just fine with me. Kevin the school teacher fell in love with Maria Jose which is easy to do because she is special. I've had some interest for October and I will have one room available for $25 a night but it is small with its own bathroom. My location is great being close to the metro and Exito super market and Park Lleras for the nightlife. Don't make the mistake of thinking this is easy, until you've had a few cracks at it. I'm happy to help get things going for you!

Jake

Guinea Pig = a person or thing used as a subject for experiment.

I used myself as a Guinea Pig to find out how about semi / prepagos among the most beautiful girls on Cupids Latin American and Colombia sites.

I got answer from many of them, most of them did not enter before I was deleted after less than 2 days since I asked in a direct way, a more discreet would have given the same result maybe, but after much longer time.

It was 40-50 positive answers, equally many negative, but many of them still interested in dating, probably wanting more info. On the deal and person.

The deal itself does not matter, it's that this site is more of a catalogue of semi / prepagos more than a dating site.

I had to do a survey.

This is especially true among the pretty, sexy girls.

If we view it that way, 50% semi / prepagos and 50% "serious", then the Cupid sites are really cheap for their service. You get 3-5 good photos of the face, which other escort site offer that?

I have not had time after Isabel to continue, but at least 6-7 guys has got my list of those I could remember answering positive on Colombiancupid, so they can reveal more of this in the future.

Depending on the persons involved each deal will be very different from each other.

I will try out this model next trip, I'm preparing to go back to SexPrison.

The most important conclusion is then that Cupid sites is an 50% Escort site. You don't have to pay for an agency's fee and you get good facial photos. THAT is a good service.

[QUOTE=CJackSparrow;1621694]Guinea Pig = a person or thing used as a subject for experiment.

I used myself as a Guinea Pig to find out how about semi / prepagos among the most beautiful girls on Cupids Latin American and Colombia sites.

I got answer from many of them, most of them did not enter before I was deleted after less than 2 days since I asked in a direct way, a more discreet would have given the same result maybe, but after much longer time.

It was 40-50 positive answers, equally many negative, but many of them still interested in dating, probably wanting more info. On the deal and person.

The deal itself does not matter, it's that this site is more of a catalogue of semi / prepagos more than a dating site.

I had to do a survey.

This is especially true among the pretty, sexy girls.

If we view it that way, 50% semi / prepagos and 50% "serious", then the Cupid sites are really cheap for their service. You get 3-5 good photos of the face, which other escort site offer that?

I have not had time after Isabel to continue, but at least 6-7 guys has got my list of those I could remember answering positive on Colombiancupid, so they can reveal more of this in the future.

Depending on the persons involved each deal will be very different from each other.

I will try out this model next trip, I'm preparing to go back to SexPrison.

The most important conclusion is then that Cupid sites is an 50% Escort site. You don't have to pay for an agency's fee and you get good facial photos. THAT is a good service.[/QUOTE]I have had many years experience with Cupid and yes there are many many "semi prepagos" there, and some serious and some downright crazy. But the thing to keep in mind is that if you are not approaching direct about prices. The show up rate is low. So always make sure that I have several lined up before I make the trip.

Does anyone know where to exchange $'s? Believe it or not I don't have an atm card or the like. I cannot find a casa de cambio in laureles.

Colombia Jake seems to have excellent pricing for Chica friendly rooms in Medellin with great services. Where is the location / town pf the rooms and what kind of rooms are these and how much privacy to bring the chicas? Are the rooms in a private home, hotel, apartment? Is the location in El Poblado, Laureles, La Candelaria, etc?

[QUOTE=ColombiaJake;1615379]Since the new pricing $35 rooms the place has been full of you ISG brothers and I have enjoyed meeting every one of you! I have been taking some of you on tours in centro and others I have been setting up with cute fun girls to have fun with. Take a look at Jose Maria on the Colombia Jake website she speaks English and is a sweet uninhibited chica who wants to show you around and come back here for a good time. Thanks for your support and I look forward to your visit!

Jake[/QUOTE]

Combo, thanks for the info.

I'm doing at least 2 nights by the mansion and another 2 nights at an apartment through someone here. Been doing a lot research for girls with fake tits / asses pornstar type looks. I couldn't find much on FB or Cupids so I'm thinking the best bet would be casas or Fase Dos was also recommended. FB and Cupids does not have much profiles with girls with fake tits do I'm hoping what your saying about Medellin is right. But I need to know where the pornstar looking girls are!

Does anyone know if the girls at Fase Dos or at any of the casas are full GFE (BBBJ, DFK, DATY)?

In terms of threesomes, I really don't care about them playing together. As long as they give me attention, I'll be happy. I'm hoping to munch on 2 pussies at once. And I want them to suck me together.

Other than that, my trip is getting near so if any have direct contacts, I really appreciate them.

Thanks a lot Combo for your valuable input.

[QUOTE=Combo;1621004]If you like fake tits, Medellin is the right place! I'd say close to half the prepagos in MDE have fake tits (and lots of silicone asses also). Believe it or not, Cali has even more "enhanced" tits and asses than Medellin. Personally, I try to avoid it, but to each his own.

Your fellow guests at the Mansion will be a great source of advice for all your questions. IMO threesomes aren't that great in MDE. If you're determined to have great threesomes, I'd highly recommend going to Brasil. The prepagos in Brasil tend to be much more "liberal" than their Paisa counterparts. Actually much more liberal than their counterparts in any country! If you really need to do it in MDE, make sure that you have experienced each girl separately before doing them both together. And if you want them to do stuff with each other, make sure this is specified beforehand. Lots of chicas will agree to a threesome, but they won't munch each others' pussies or will only do so very unenthusiastically.

It's almost impossible to specifiy the best casas and strip clubs at any particular time. This tends to run in cycles. The lineups constantly change, the girls go from one place to another. If Boyd is down there during your visit, he's the best guy to take you on a tour of the Centro casas. You can hit 8 or 10 places in an afternoon, and you can judge for yourself which one has the best talent.[/QUOTE]

I've negotiated full GFE at casas before, although these are usually extras that may cost more. Your best bet will be whether you have chemistry with her, which I found less likely to happen at the casas, more so through the Mansion or FB. What I like about the casas is getting to see the full lineup of T&A, so should you not find the fake tits you are looking for, you can move on to the next casa (although I think there is a small charge for that though).

Threesome-wise, I think once you find a girl with a level of service you like, you should ask her if she has friends that would like to join in the fun. I'm would think the experience is much better when it's two friends versus two strangers. I've yet to test it out myself, but perhaps I will when I arrive Oct. 15.

[QUOTE=LuvFake;1622229]Combo, thanks for the info.

I'm doing at least 2 nights by the mansion and another 2 nights at an apartment through someone here. Been doing a lot research for girls with fake tits / asses pornstar type looks. I couldn't find much on FB or Cupids so I'm thinking the best bet would be casas or Fase Dos was also recommended. FB and Cupids does not have much profiles with girls with fake tits do I'm hoping what your saying about Medellin is right. But I need to know where the pornstar looking girls are!

Does anyone know if the girls at Fase Dos or at any of the casas are full GFE (BBBJ, DFK, DATY)?

In terms of threesomes, I really don't care about them playing together. As long as they give me attention, I'll be happy. I'm hoping to munch on 2 pussies at once. And I want them to suck me together.

Other than that, my trip is getting near so if any have direct contacts, I really appreciate them.

Thanks a lot Combo for your valuable input.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CJackSparrow;1620247]
She has class, but she has not. Like so many other Colombian girls; they want sex & money, and they don't want to be bored, or think or the future.

I got a lot of PM after the presentation of my tactic, I now know that guys must have thought of, or already tried a similar model.

The theoretical basis is a loan from LegalTenders "scholarship" model.

Which he is invited to tell us more about!

Attack under this circumstances are foolish, but what if all Paisas are like this, which they seem to be. My X Paisa Girlfriend, a young Stunner proclaimed that the majority of the Paisas are like this.

They want sex with foreigners, and they want as much money they can get. Here & Now!

It's Paisa / Colombiana culture.[/QUOTE]I think it is beyond controversy that almost all of these Colombian girls only think in the present. Impulsivity is a trait enjoyed by the vast majority of them. What makes the effort worthwhile is that absolutely stunning girls are everywhere in Medellin, and they do enjoy sex: Christianity without the infection of Puritanism. My "failure" rate is very low and I think it is because of selection. I'm not interested in some girl that has no purpose or substance in her life. Serious students are only what I accept. They are much more likely to be appreciative of the opportunity to study and don't want to screw it up. Some actually think before they act. Cuts way down on the "here & now" attitude that is ubiquitous in the city of eternal spring.

Someone recently wrote that he could forgo true love but insisted on respect and appreciation. I feel like I'm actually investing in these girl's lives, and they do too. One hint that they are taking the opportunity given them for granted or have a sense of entitlement, and they are off the program. It's all up to the girl.

[QUOTE=LuvFake;1622229]Combo, thanks for the info.

I'm doing at least 2 nights by the mansion and another 2 nights at an apartment through someone here. Been doing a lot research for girls with fake tits / asses pornstar type looks. I couldn't find much on FB or Cupids so I'm thinking the best bet would be casas or Fase Dos was also recommended. FB and Cupids does not have much profiles with girls with fake tits do I'm hoping what your saying about Medellin is right. But I need to know where the pornstar looking girls are!

Does anyone know if the girls at Fase Dos or at any of the casas are full GFE (BBBJ, DFK, DATY)?

In terms of threesomes, I really don't care about them playing together. As long as they give me attention, I'll be happy. I'm hoping to munch on 2 pussies at once. And I want them to suck me together.

Other than that, my trip is getting near so if any have direct contacts, I really appreciate them.

Thanks a lot Combo for your valuable input.[/QUOTE]Luv Fake.

I forgot to mention la Isla. I've only been there once (not even sure it's still open), but IMO it had more hot, porn-star looking women than Fase 2. Also the ambience is more like a US strip club than Fase 2. And yes, loads of silicone.

At any of these places, you need to specifiy BBBJ before you commit to a chica or she'll likely grab the condom before she sucks you.

[QUOTE=Cerebro;1622223]Colombia Jake seems to have excellent pricing for Chica friendly rooms in Medellin with great services. Where is the location / town pf the rooms and what kind of rooms are these and how much privacy to bring the chicas? Are the rooms in a private home, hotel, apartment? Is the location in El Poblado, Laureles, La Candelaria, etc?[/QUOTE]If I remember correctly, Jakes got a three bedroom apt. In barrio patio bonita, Poblado its not luxurious but totally fine, walking distance to lots of fast food places, close to metro, buses centro commercial Monterey, really great location, has a pool and guaranteed fun!

[QUOTE=Cerebro;1622223]Colombia Jake seems to have excellent pricing for Chica friendly rooms in Medellin with great services. Where is the location / town pf the rooms and what kind of rooms are these and how much privacy to bring the chicas? Are the rooms in a private home, hotel, apartment? Is the location in El Poblado, Laureles, La Candelaria, etc?[/QUOTE]Check out his website.

[QUOTE=WorldWideScout;1622211]Does anyone know where to exchange $'s? Believe it or not I don't have an atm card or the like. I cannot find a casa de cambio in laureles.[/QUOTE]I don't know of any in laureles, I always use the one across from Mondongo's near parque lleras or the one in centro commercial Monterey.

[QUOTE=TellAll;1622277]Check out his website.[/QUOTE][URL]www.colombiajake.com[/URL] not hard at all USA 727-498-1680.

[QUOTE=WorldWideScout;1622211]Does anyone know where to exchange $'s? Believe it or not I don't have an atm card or the like. I cannot find a casa de cambio in laureles.[/QUOTE]There are casas de cambia in the UniCentro Mall.

[QUOTE=Combo;1622273]Luv Fake.

I forgot to mention la Isla. I've only been there once (not even sure it's still open), but IMO it had more hot, porn-star looking women than Fase 2. Also the ambience is more like a US strip club than Fase 2. And yes, loads of silicone.

At any of these places, you need to specifiy BBBJ before you commit to a chica or she'll likely grab the condom before she sucks you.[/QUOTE]La Isla, I was at the club back in July and it was still open. Everything you mentioned is still accurate. Problem is this club is the priciest of all the clubs. Girl quoted me 240 k pesos for 45 minutes. The crazy thing was my first apartment in MDE was a 10 minute actual walk to the club and took a $4 cab ride. LOL.

[QUOTE=PapiQueRico;1622292]There are casas de cambia in the UniCentro Mall.[/QUOTE]If you google $USD to pesos medellin it will show you about 5 companies that have cambios some with several locations probably the closest to you is in Premium Plaza halfway between El Centro and Gringolandia, el poblado, google lists 2 cambios there, but one is shut down, the open one is Mercado de Libre office L1304 main floor, near Bancolombia, Titan cambio in el centro only buys $USD, Mercado de Libre buys all the majors for non obamalandias.

[QUOTE=WorldWideScout;1622211]Does anyone know where to exchange $'s? Believe it or not I don't have an atm card or the like. I cannot find a casa de cambio in laureles.[/QUOTE]Solved. Total pain in the ass but in case anyone was wondering, a few malls and plazas have casas with cambio fees.

[QUOTE=WorldWideScout;1622498]Solved. Total pain in the ass but in case anyone was wondering, a few malls and plazas have casas with cambio fees.[/QUOTE]Thanks! Advice here helped a lot. Google actually gave a lot of nonsense, but as usual ISG comes through!

[QUOTE=SBeach25;1622293]La Isla, I was at the club back in July and it was still open. Everything you mentioned is still accurate. Problem is this club is the priciest of all the clubs. Girl quoted me 240 k pesos for 45 minutes. The crazy thing was my first apartment in MDE was a 10 minute actual walk to the club and took a $4 cab ride. LOL.[/QUOTE]Best thing to do is get their number. I had one come over the next afternoon and she was delighted to get 150 k pesos. But yeah, doing them there or paying to take them out is ridiculous.

I will definitely check them out. I will let everyone know.

Was there a list of the casas ever made on here with their addresses?

[QUOTE=Combo;1622567]Best thing to do is get their number. I had one come over the next afternoon and she was delighted to get 150 k pesos. But yeah, doing them there or paying to take them out is ridiculous.[/QUOTE]

Hello friends, some days ago I went to Plaza Botero and at the back of iglesia Veracruz I found the Earthly Paradise.

The street is like Mayorista. But Mayorista is safe in the night while Plaza Botero is dangerous. But it is no a problem because.

At 5:00 pm already there are so many girls. You can walk alone still 8:00 pm, but "cuidado". There are pro and semi-pro. I have always met a beautiful girl and I always take her to my apartment. Girls are cheap, about 50 k-100 k for two hours. Some days ago I picked up a very beautiful girl, she is not a pro (she look like a regular), may be she is a semi-pro. The first time I fucked her for two hours and I paid 100 k plus taxi. As between she and I there were a good chemistry, I told her if she liked to be with me all the night in the follow day. She agreed and I spent the best night of my life. I like a lot a friendly girl and she was very funny and friendly. I like to meet her many times. I gave her 150 k plus taxi. You have to believe me because my tastes are difficult. For example some days ago I went to famous New Life casa, there are 40 girls but I saw one fuckable girl only.

This writings are my two cents, but I hope these writings can help you!

[QUOTE=WorldWideScout;1622211]Does anyone know where to exchange $'s? Believe it or not I don't have an atm card or the like. I cannot find a casa de cambio in laureles.[/QUOTE]The best "casa de cambio" is near parque Bolivar. It is inside the very tall builing with two flags on the top. Me too I stay at Laureles and I went to some "casas de cambio" but inside that building there is a very good exchange rate. You can already see that building when you take the Metro and go out at Barrio salida.

[QUOTE=Cachupo;1592863]And a cautious recon of centro street 53.[/QUOTE]I never saw any SW at street 53. Where is the right place?

Can someone answer this for me? How in the the hell do all these Colombian women stay in top shape? Lets keep it real, the typical Colombian diet is mostly beans, rice and beef, empanadas, alot of carbs!

Unless the girl is raised in El Pobaldo or affluent Colombian area they are less likely to eat well or be expose to vegan or other healthy diets (Japanese, Greek etc).

So how do the rest of the Medellin women stay in shape?? Yes, I know liposuction is popular but it only helps with a good diet and consistent workout.

Is the Colombian diet more "natural" vs the processed foods, high fructose corn syrup, hormone injected meats in the US food supply system?

More walking and active lifestyle vs the car oriented western society?

Smaller meal portions vs the large portions we get?

Anyone has an answer to how in the hell do Colombian women stay in shape? I wish American women can be like them! LOL.

[QUOTE=Jergens007;1622734]Can someone answer this for me? How in the the hell do all these Colombian women stay in top shape? Lets keep it real, the typical Colombian diet is mostly beans, rice and beef, empanadas, alot of carbs!

Unless the girl is raised in El Pobaldo or affluent Colombian area they are less likely to eat well or be expose to vegan or other healthy diets (Japanese, Greek etc).

So how do the rest of the Medellin women stay in shape?? Yes, I know liposuction is popular but it only helps with a good diet and consistent workout.

Is the Colombian diet more "natural" vs the processed foods, high fructose corn syrup, hormone injected meats in the US food supply system?

More walking and active lifestyle vs the car oriented western society?

Smaller meal portions vs the large portions we get?

Anyone has an answer to how in the hell do Colombian women stay in shape? I wish American women can be like them! LOL.[/QUOTE]Lots of horizontal exercise and a diet of leche and auguardiente.

Have you ever taken a walk up in the barrios? No one fat is going to be walking up and down those hills without collapsing.

For the US standard, they may be in good shape. But Colombian men and women are fat in SA standard.

[QUOTE=Jergens007;1622734]Can someone answer this for me? How in the the hell do all these Colombian women stay in top shape? Lets keep it real, the typical Colombian diet is mostly beans, rice and beef, empanadas, alot of carbs!

Unless the girl is raised in El Pobaldo or affluent Colombian area they are less likely to eat well or be expose to vegan or other healthy diets (Japanese, Greek etc).

So how do the rest of the Medellin women stay in shape?? Yes, I know liposuction is popular but it only helps with a good diet and consistent workout.

Is the Colombian diet more "natural" vs the processed foods, high fructose corn syrup, hormone injected meats in the US food supply system?

More walking and active lifestyle vs the car oriented western society?

Smaller meal portions vs the large portions we get?

Anyone has an answer to how in the hell do Colombian women stay in shape? I wish American women can be like them! LOL.[/QUOTE].

Don't do this while in Medellin you would have been shot. This guy was lucky to be alive.

[URL]http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/us/2014/09/18/erin-dnt-moos-robbery-go-pro.cnn-youtube-globaldegreetv&hpt=hp_t2&from_homepage=yes&video_referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F[/URL]

[QUOTE=FoxesHunter;1622663]The best "casa de cambio" is near parque Bolivar. It is inside the very tall builing with two flags on the top. Me too I stay at Laureles and I went to some "casas de cambio" but inside that building there is a very good exchange rate. You can already see that building when you take the Metro and go out at Barrio salida.[/QUOTE]Go to Unicentro, second floor near Salida 3.

There are many escort agencies in Medellin. Can anyone recommend an agency that is reliable and trustworthy.

[QUOTE=FoxesHunter;1622661]Hello friends, some days ago I went to Plaza Botero and at the back of iglesia Veracruz I found the Earthly Paradise.

The street is like Mayorista. But Mayorista is safe in the night while Plaza Botero is dangerous. But it is no a problem because.

At 5:00 pm already there are so many girls. You can walk alone still 8:00 pm, but "cuidado". There are pro and semi-pro. I have always met a beautiful girl and I always take her to my apartment. Girls are cheap, about 50 k-100 k for two hours. Some days ago I picked up a very beautiful girl, she is not a pro (she look like a regular), may be she is a semi-pro. The first time I fucked her for two hours and I paid 100 k plus taxi. As between she and I there were a good chemistry, I told her if she liked to be with me all the night in the follow day. She agreed and I spent the best night of my life. I like a lot a friendly girl and she was very funny and friendly. I like to meet her many times. I gave her 150 k plus taxi. You have to believe me because my tastes are difficult. For example some days ago I went to famous New Life casa, there are 40 girls but I saw one fuckable girl only.

This writings are my two cents, but I hope these writings can help you![/QUOTE]I would like to go there, maybe with friends, but not alone.

Maybe there are superbabes, but why the hell are they working there??

Energy seems a bad option both quality and pricewise. This is "earthly Paradise" in Medellin Paradise, a city has never ends surprising me.

I think New Life have some gems, but other casas, it's girls that just need money, having sex with them, paying for it, is pointless for us extranerjos.

Well let us have a look then at Iglesia Veracruz.

[QUOTE=Jergens007;1622734]Can someone answer this for me? How in the the hell do all these Colombian women stay in top shape? Lets keep it real, the typical Colombian diet is mostly beans, rice and beef, empanadas, alot of carbs!

Unless the girl is raised in El Pobaldo or affluent Colombian area they are less likely to eat well or be expose to vegan or other healthy diets (Japanese, Greek etc).

So how do the rest of the Medellin women stay in shape?? Yes, I know liposuction is popular but it only helps with a good diet and consistent workout.

Is the Colombian diet more "natural" vs the processed foods, high fructose corn syrup, hormone injected meats in the US food supply system?

More walking and active lifestyle vs the car oriented western society?

Smaller meal portions vs the large portions we get?

Anyone has an answer to how in the hell do Colombian women stay in shape? I wish American women can be like them! LOL.[/QUOTE]Hmmm, the number of hippopotamus on two legs in Medellin, and women with ridiculous, oversized, out of all proportion buttocks is frightening.

[QUOTE=RedEyeFish;1622976]Don't do this while in Medellin you would have been shot. This guy was lucky to be alive.

[URL]http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/us/2014/09/18/erin-dnt-moos-robbery-go-pro.cnn-youtube-globaldegreetv&hpt=hp_t2&from_homepage=yes&video_referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F[/URL][/QUOTE]This guy is an idiot. He was willing to risk his life for $4000 worth of camera gear. If this were a night time robbery his ass would be dead.

And apparently he doesn't get it, because the report says this was the second time he was robbed at gunpoint.

[URL]http://www.elcolombiano.com/BancoConocimiento/E/el_crimen_del_centro_se_maneja_desde_la_periferia/el_crimen_del_centro_se_maneja_desde_la_periferia.asp?CodSeccion=211[/URL]

It seems quite diferent from what Foxhunter describes. . Finding any beautiful girls here must be very difficult.

Maybe you needs patience while being there, stroll around. But that's the paradox, you wants to take that risk?

I was at Avenida Playa in July with some paisas and a few extranerjos. They pointed out that certain areas are dangerous, anothers not, but you need to know specifically, it's like 50#50 is OK, but 50#53 to #56 is dangerous.

Considering that it's dark, grey and the people on streets are potential robbers, why take the rsik.

But the opinions differ, some says Centro is not that dangerous and has lived there as extranerjos for more than a year, other advice me not to visit centro at all during night.

But that Igelsia Veracruz has Hot Babes waiting for us for the price of 50-100 k for 2 hs, that it to Good To Be True! (Other members has been there than Fox?

[QUOTE=CJackSparrow;1623359][URL]http://www.elcolombiano.com/BancoConocimiento/E/el_crimen_del_centro_se_maneja_desde_la_periferia/el_crimen_del_centro_se_maneja_desde_la_periferia.asp?CodSeccion=211[/URL]

It seems quite diferent from what Foxhunter describes. . Finding any beautiful girls here must be very difficult.

Maybe you needs patience while being there, stroll around. But that's the paradox, you wants to take that risk?

I was at Avenida Playa in July with some paisas and a few extranerjos. They pointed out that certain areas are dangerous, anothers not, but you need to know specifically, it's like 50#50 is OK, but 50#53 to #56 is dangerous.

Considering that it's dark, grey and the people on streets are potential robbers, why take the rsik.

But the opinions differ, some says Centro is not that dangerous and has lived there as extranerjos for more than a year, other advice me not to visit centro at all during night.

But that Igelsia Veracruz has Hot Babes waiting for us for the price of 50-100 k for 2 hs, that it to Good To Be True! (Other members has been there than Fox?[/QUOTE]I'm guessing they can be gotten for a lot less than 50-100 k.

[QUOTE=Jergens007;1622734]Can someone answer this for me? How in the the hell do all these Colombian women stay in top shape? Lets keep it real, the typical Colombian diet is mostly beans, rice and beef, empanadas, alot of carbs!

Unless the girl is raised in El Pobaldo or affluent Colombian area they are less likely to eat well or be expose to vegan or other healthy diets (Japanese, Greek etc).

So how do the rest of the Medellin women stay in shape?? Yes, I know liposuction is popular but it only helps with a good diet and consistent workout.

Is the Colombian diet more "natural" vs the processed foods, high fructose corn syrup, hormone injected meats in the US food supply system?

More walking and active lifestyle vs the car oriented western society?

Smaller meal portions vs the large portions we get?

Anyone has an answer to how in the hell do Colombian women stay in shape? I wish American women can be like them! LOL.[/QUOTE]1. Colombian diet is high in animal proteins and fats. Animal proteins and fats are good for you and do not cause abnormal blood lipids (excess carbohydrates do). The fats in the diet are also very satiating, meaning less food will be consumed.

2. Rice and beans form a complete protein. One could live exclusively on this diet and be healthy.

3. Typical Colombian walks 5-6 miles per day.

Check out this site [URL]http://www.wheatbelly.com/[/URL].

Vegan diet is a ridiculous way to eat.

Hola chicos,

Will be in Medellin in October for one week. Did some reading in the forum but still have some questions:

1) Which places to stay would you recommend? Was looking into Central Plaza Hotel, looks nice, seems good value for money, but a little far from where the action is. Any experience with Four Points by Sheraton, since I got a great offer there (but is it girl friendly if I book a double room? What are your recent experience with private places (via airbnb, etc.)?

2) I am trying to get some contacts via Cupid upfront. What is the latest recommendation for clubs and freelancers? I do speak some basic Spanish.

3) How safe would you see the SW scene, I look pretty gringo like, being tall with short blond hair.

4) What would you recommend to do "between the sessions" .

Any nice sightseeing, restaurants bars, rooftops you could recommend?

Thanks for any input, highly appreciated, will post experiences in all categories.

Cheers

In mid October 2014, I am going on my first mongering trip to Medellin. As I made my final preparation and research, I would appreciate if anyone could share some information. I am planning to stay for 9 days and alternate my stay in El Poblado, Envigado and Laureles / estadio area. I would like to do some casa visits and massage places and also would like to stay active and not to break my workout routine as I enjoy the Chica activities.

1) Has anyone stayed at Casa Blanca recently? How are the women that go to Casablanca and what do the girls usually charge? What are the best days to stay during the week.

2) Has anyone been to:

Centro de Masajes Pekin, Calle 10 A # 43 A-31, Apt 201, El Poblado. 3 Chicas. Prices: 70 k 45 min, Playboy session 150 k 30 min. Tel: 268 64 22. Hours: 10 am to 8 pm.

What is the line up of women in Masaje Pekin and are those prices accurate?

3) About exercise and places to learn dancing:

Does anyone know any gym to work out and do cardio exercices and a pool to swim and that charges by the day or just a week?

And any places to learn to dance Salsa.

I appreciate your feedback guys.

Hey all!

Just got back from Colombia, I am suffering from the Post Vacation blues. Can't wait to go back soon. I was there for 2.5 weeks, and while I was there, I went to Cali, Cartagena, Gutape and hacienda Napoles. My trip wasn't only for mongering, it was to explore, take photos, visit my Colombian friends. This is my 4th trip, 2008 was my last time when I was in Medellin so its been a while.

About myself and the type of women I like: I am from Los Angeles, 30's Asian-Mix, very trendy and hip. I like all types of women but I prefer Latinas. I like my women to be well toned, curvy, busty with big asses. I don't mind if they are enhanced, just as long as its wells proportion to the rest of the body. I know most of the men here are on a budget and visit Mayorista to find their girls. It isn't my scene and I don't find most of the girls there attractive. I am more into the "trophy" fucks. Studio F models, Bikini Models, Glamour Model, playboy types. I am willing to pay $$ for high end pussy. My Spanish is very limited, I can get around, buy things but I can't hold a deep conversation. Yes, I need to work on this!

Loutrons- the place moved to a new location. A bigger mansion than the previous location. The mansion is very nice but with so much space, I wonder if this is the only business they run? There were about 12 chicas, they each came out in a robe, greeted us, take off the robe and gave us a lingerie show. Very sexy! A lot of enhanced bodies, most of the girls are solid 7 or above and all in great shape. None of them had stretch marks. I picked my girl, we went to a big room with a shower, with mirrors, very nice theme rooms. Spent 280 k COP for the hour. I had a great time, GFE with condom blow job.

La Isla- new strip club, very much like any american strip club. All types of women, a few ugly ones, bigger ones and some stunners. If you sit down, the girls will try to come sit next to you, and when you're talking to them, they will ask you to buy a drink. It can be a money pit, my best advice is not waste your time on a girl you're not interested. Best if you just stand by the bar instead of sitting down on the couches. I didn't session with any women there. The place has potential but I heard its more expensive than Fase Dos.

Fase Dos-The place is the same since my last visit in 2008. The caliber of women remained the same. Hot, sexy, busty, curvy. Whatever you like, they have. After each stage show, each girl will go to your table and ask for a tip. While its annoying, all you really need to do is tip them 1 k COP, make sure to bring change. 1 drink minimum to sit at the tables. I went and had a session with this beautiful Latina with big ass and tits. GFE bareback. Fun times! 250 k COP for half hour, but we end up staying in the room for 1 hour. In my opinion, fase dos has always been very consistent.

Mayorista- I went to this place with 2 friends of mine, they are more of the budget working girl mongers. I came along and wanted to check out this area to see what this place is all about. It reminded me of a mini version of the red light district Tijunana, Mexico. A few bars, cafes, love hotels and street walkers standing by each bar awaiting to be approach. You can get a girl for about 30 K cop for half hour, which my 2 friends did. I didn't do anything because most of the girls were not up to my standards. I just sat at the bar and had a beer while waited for them. This places gets extremely pack when Colombians get their paycheck. It an be a little dangerous, so use common sense. I felt fine but while I was waiting for my 2 friends to do their thing, I went to a bar to buy a drink and just chill a good way to avoid being noticed than strolling around the streets.

*Regular Clubs*.

Sixttina Discoteca- this is a high end night club located at the Rio Sur, across from Oviedo Mall. My Colombian friend invited me out along with 2 of his female friends. 4 guys and 3 girls in my party. Entrance was 15-20 COP K? Don't quite remember. We got a table and a bottle of smirnoff was about 90 COP K. It wasn't anything extravagant to the nice Vegas night clubs but it was pretty modern. Most of the girls going to this club are with guy friends and its very rare to see "only groups of girls" the girls there are Hot! 75% of the women there were solid 7 or above. I felt like I was in some modeling convention. We had drinks, danced the night away. I end up making out with one of the girls who came with us.

Fahrenheit Discoteca-We went to this spot at 1 am, its a great after hour spots. Most of the crowd starts to pour in around 3 am. DAMN, you'll see so many beautiful women! Again, most are with guy friends. Girls come in cocktail dresses, tight shirts, showing tons of skins and cleavage. I suspect few to be potential prepagos. The previous girls we went with to Sixttina, had to take off, so it was me and my Dominican buddy with a table to ourselves. My Dominican buddy, is a tall ass dude, has good looks, has no shame, he will approach any woman. He got shot down a few times. Then he approached this beautiful girl with 3 friends. They came to our table, Again my Spanish is very limited, limiting my game. However, I used my dance skills to overcompensate my lack of Spanish, always smiling and appear to have a good time. I danced with each girls. At the the end of the night, they came back to our apartment but we didn't fuck them or anything. We just hung out, talk, did some lines of coke and just relaxed.

Non Pro Regular Social Scene- Most Colombian women always go out with their male friends to the clubs, its rare to see group of girls going to a club in Colombia. Most of the guys pay for the table, drinks and cab ride for the ladies. From what I gather, having a good social circle game is how you can date a good Colombian girl. My Colombian friend who took us to the clubs is very well off since he does business in USA and Colombia. Its good to have someone who is well connected and knows the in spots to go to and have a few non pro female friends. I made out with one of the girls who came and party with us. She doesn't speak English, my Spanish is limited. With my dance skills, being positive, always smiling and maybe my good looks helped out. Speaking Spanish and Learning how to dance is a must to get with a non pro Colombian girl. While there are a few cultural differences, the game remains the same but in different language. So speaking Spanish is a must!

This is my experience with Medellin, hope everything will have a fun and safe time there. I had a great time and dying to return soon! Cheers!

Few questions for the forum members:

The City of Bello, is this place the ghetto? Or lower middle class? Can anyone give me the 411 with the girls from this area? I hear most the prepagos are from this area and many girls are gold diggers.

1. Girls at the mansion charge 150 k. The talent runs up and down, like other venues. I've seen it when it looked like a model catwalk, I've seen it when it looked like a low end casa lineup. All depends on their luck getting girls over.

2. This place has only two, middle-aged working girls. I've checked in a couple of times and they were the only two I ever saw there. I offered to buy their shitzu puppy, but that's about all I'd spend money on there.

3. There are quite a few gyms in Medellin depending on your location. Bodytech seems to have the most locations around town.

4. No idea about the salsa lessons amigo.

Best of luck.

[QUOTE=Cerebro;1623840]In mid October 2014, I am going on my first mongering trip to Medellin. As I made my final preparation and research, I would appreciate if anyone could share some information. I am planning to stay for 9 days and alternate my stay in El Poblado, Envigado and Laureles / estadio area. I would like to do some casa visits and massage places and also would like to stay active and not to break my workout routine as I enjoy the Chica activities.

1) Has anyone stayed at Casa Blanca recently? How are the women that go to Casablanca and what do the girls usually charge? What are the best days to stay during the week.

2) Has anyone been to:

Centro de Masajes Pekin, Calle 10 A # 43 A-31, Apt 201, El Poblado. 3 Chicas. Prices: 70 k 45 min, Playboy session 150 k 30 min. Tel: 268 64 22. Hours: 10 am to 8 pm..[/QUOTE]

Yesterday I got sex with a 30 years beautiful girl. Before beginning the sex session she have snorted cocaine and in that sex session she became like an animal. She always wanted to get more orgasms. She got two orgasms with my dick, then when I was exhausted, she continued to masturbate and got another orgasm. In your opinion why does a girl snort cocaine before a sex session? Another girl told me a girl snorts cocaine before a sex session when she doesn't like her partner and requires to overcome that bad time. It 's true or she made fun of me?

[QUOTE=Cerebro;1623840]In mid October 2014, I am going on my first mongering trip to Medellin. As I made my final preparation and research, I would appreciate if anyone could share some information. I am planning to stay for 9 days and alternate my stay in El Poblado, Envigado and Laureles / estadio area. I would like to do some casa visits and massage places and also would like to stay active and not to break my workout routine as I enjoy the Chica activities.

1) Has anyone stayed at Casa Blanca recently? How are the women that go to Casablanca and what do the girls usually charge? What are the best days to stay during the week.

2) Has anyone been to:

Centro de Masajes Pekin, Calle 10 A # 43 A-31, Apt 201, El Poblado. 3 Chicas. Prices: 70 k 45 min, Playboy session 150 k 30 min. Tel: 268 64 22. Hours: 10 am to 8 pm.

What is the line up of women in Masaje Pekin and are those prices accurate?

3) About exercise and places to learn dancing:

Does anyone know any gym to work out and do cardio exercices and a pool to swim and that charges by the day or just a week?

And any places to learn to dance Salsa.

I appreciate your feedback guys.[/QUOTE]Regarding Salsa, do you live in or near a large US City? If so, then you are FAR better off learning Salsa in your hometown. Outside of Cali, Colombia doesn't have an especially great Salsa scene. Most of the Paisas prefer to listen (and dance) to Reggaeton, Hip Hop, etc. A few might have a very rudimentary grasp of Salsa.

Truth be told, outside of Cuba, Puerto Rico, Cali and a few other places, Latin America is not that great of a destination for Salsa.

I have been to a few good Salsa clubs in MDE (El Suave is my favorite), but a city of comparable size in the US will have more good clubs for dancing.

If you really want to do a dance/chica vacation, learn in the US, then take a trip to Cuba or Cali, Colombia. I have done that seveal times and can give you plenty of advice if you'd like.

Jergens.

Bello is in the far North of Medellin (not sure it's technically part of the City of MDE, might be a suburb). It's a pretty big neighborhood, certainly not upper Strata, but not as bad as the worst areas like San Javier either. Lots of working girls may very well be from Bello. But there also seems to be a trend for lots of girls to say they're from Bello since it's a LONG ways away from where most of us mongers stay. Thus, the girl can claim you should give her money (or more money) to take a taxi to Poblado.

[QUOTE=TweedleD;1622283][URL]www.colombiajake.com[/URL] not hard at all USA 727-498-1680.[/QUOTE]Took off on the motorcycle last week because it was a beautiful day and I was interested in meeting chicas off the beaten path. The girls around Poblado have seen their fair share of gringos so it was time to go deep into the heart of this big puss called Medellin. As I got up into the mountains I could tell it was going to be fruitful and I just kept going with the flow. The chicas would come in clusters and I would pull over and ask what barrio is this and they would smile and tell me I was a gringo and we would laugh. After I got my 5th number over the course of two hours of exploring and having fun, I decide to call it a day and head home. The first home run from that journey came last Thursday night by the name of Jasmine! She was very fun and outgoing when I met her the day on the moto and I was interested to see if it translated into the sac? She arrived around 9 pm and of course I took care of the taxi, and we walked up I took her 18 year old hand thin and soft. After getting a little something to drink and set her up to play her youtube songs of her choice. After a few kisses she actually put her hand on the outside of my zipper on my jeans and the joy began! Normally I like to control the music because I like it to keep flowing not stop after each song and find another and another but I let her do her thing and after each new song thing went right back to getting undressed and rather quickly into the most enthusiastic head I have received in a long time. She just attacked it with a smile and total inhibition completely natural with a smile and yearning to please! It would continue until the song would come to an end and without missing a beat a new song started and she was back at it with the same energy and excitement! This went on for what seemed like and hour which was fine by me because the pill I took hadn't completely kicked in and complete wood was taking longer than usual that night. I was her first gringo and she was young but she was so comfortable with sex, I just couldn't believe it. Finally things kicked in and I was ready to mount this angle and as I got in position it was the only time she says the only English word she knows money? I relieved her fears yes, and also told her not to worry I have a vasectomy so no babies. It was delicious and just as sweet as it gets! I have a new Video of Maria Jose on my website click on the link above or go to Colombiajake website and Jasmine well also be available starting next week.

Thanks,

Jake

[QUOTE=Jonesie;1623863]1. Girls at the mansion charge 150 k. The talent runs up and down, like other venues. I've seen it when it looked like a model catwalk, I've seen it when it looked like a low end casa lineup. All depends on their luck getting girls over.

2. This place has only two, middle-aged working girls. I've checked in a couple of times and they were the only two I ever saw there. I offered to buy their shitzu puppy, but that's about all I'd spend money on there.

3. There are quite a few gyms in Medellin depending on your location. Bodytech seems to have the most locations around town.

4. No idea about the salsa lessons amigo.

Best of luck.[/QUOTE]Jonesie, Thanks for the feedback. I appreciate it. This helps a lot.

From your answers, I can deduce the following:

1. Casa Blanca seems like a great option for new mongers like me visiting Medellin. I think I will try a day or two stay there.

2. The Centro masajes Pekin in Poblado from your review does not seem to be such a good place to spend your money or sucks big time if he only has two middle age working girls. I can tell you one thing for sure, with so many beautiful young women in Medellin to fuck I am not going to spend it on middle age women, Thanks for the info at least I know where not to waste my time and money. Do you know other better options for massage places / casas in Laureles / stadio, Centro or Embigado?

3. As for the gym, I will check Bodytech gym when I get there and see if they have a pro-rated week or a per day membership.

4. I just found a dance place located Poblado and it seems like a good place to learn salsa bachata and reggaetton [URL]http://www.santobaile.com/.[/URL] I saw some hot dance teachers in the website. Who knows maybe thos teachers are prepagos or nonpros in disguise. It that's the case a great way to have fun both ways first dancing and later fucking.

[QUOTE=Cerebro;1623840]In mid October 2014, I am going on my first mongering trip to Medellin. As I made my final preparation and research, I would appreciate if anyone could share some information. I am planning to stay for 9 days and alternate my stay in El Poblado, Envigado and Laureles / estadio area. I would like to do some casa visits and massage places and also would like to stay active and not to break my workout routine as I enjoy the Chica activities.

1) Has anyone stayed at Casa Blanca recently? How are the women that go to Casablanca and what do the girls usually charge? What are the best days to stay during the week.

2) Has anyone been to:

Centro de Masajes Pekin, Calle 10 A # 43 A-31, Apt 201, El Poblado. 3 Chicas. Prices: 70 k 45 min, Playboy session 150 k 30 min. Tel: 268 64 22. Hours: 10 am to 8 pm...[/QUOTE]Check out medellinliving dot com for info on salsa classes, gyms etc. Useful site for all the normal stuff.

Combo,

Thanks for the feedback regarding dance lessons in Medellin. I live in New Jersey, and not too many places near where I live to get dance lessons.

I just found this website of dance lessons in El Poblado and Embigado at [URL]http://www.santobaile.com/clases/[/URL].

It has some videos of the dancers with the clients. The teachers are great looking Paisa ladies. Who knows if those ladies are prepagos or nonpros. I am definitely making a visit there once I get there. The school has dance lessons such as Salsa, bachata, reggaeton, hip hop. Take a look at the website.

[QUOTE=Combo;1623908]Regarding Salsa, do you live in or near a large US City? If so, then you are FAR better off learning Salsa in your hometown. Outside of Cali, Colombia doesn't have an especially great Salsa scene. Most of the Paisas prefer to listen (and dance) to Reggaeton, Hip Hop, etc. A few might have a very rudimentary grasp of Salsa.

Truth be told, outside of Cuba, Puerto Rico, Cali and a few other places, Latin America is not that great of a destination for Salsa.

I have been to a few good Salsa clubs in MDE (El Suave is my favorite), but a city of comparable size in the US will have more good clubs for dancing.

If you really want to do a dance/chica vacation, learn in the US, then take a trip to Cuba or Cali, Colombia. I have done that seveal times and can give you plenty of advice if you'd like.[/QUOTE]

I went there every day for one week and I found 3 interesting girls. You have to go Thursday, Friday and Saturday.

About the risk you are right!

[QUOTE=CJackSparrow;1623359][URL]http://www.elcolombiano.com/BancoConocimiento/E/el_crimen_del_centro_se_maneja_desde_la_periferia/el_crimen_del_centro_se_maneja_desde_la_periferia.asp?CodSeccion=211[/URL]

It seems quite diferent from what Foxhunter describes. . Finding any beautiful girls here must be very difficult.

Maybe you needs patience while being there, stroll around. But that's the paradox, you wants to take that risk?

I was at Avenida Playa in July with some paisas and a few extranerjos. They pointed out that certain areas are dangerous, anothers not, but you need to know specifically, it's like 50#50 is OK, but 50#53 to #56 is dangerous.

Considering that it's dark, grey and the people on streets are potential robbers, why take the rsik.

But the opinions differ, some says Centro is not that dangerous and has lived there as extranerjos for more than a year, other advice me not to visit centro at all during night.

But that Igelsia Veracruz has Hot Babes waiting for us for the price of 50-100 k for 2 hs, that it to Good To Be True! (Other members has been there than Fox?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FoxesHunter;1623905]Yesterday I got sex with a 30 years beautiful girl. Before beginning the sex session she have snorted cocaine and in that sex session she became like an animal. She always wanted to get more orgasms. She got two orgasms with my dick, then when I was exhausted, she continued to masturbate and got another orgasm. In your opinion why does a girl snort cocaine before a sex session? Another girl told me a girl snorts cocaine before a sex session when she doesn't like her partner and requires to overcome that bad time. It 's true or she made fun of me?[/QUOTE]It could be any of a number of reasons. From wanting to have more fun to trying to get over fucking an ugly dude. My guess is that she is a druggie.

I posted the video in the Argentina thread and got this reply from DaddyRuiz:

"He was known to the police so he was arrested the next day. He has a record of robbery, but was released by the judge 4 hours later because she thought he wasn't a risk to public safety.

Thereby sending a message to every fucking villero in town that robbing tourists is an acceptable cottage industry.

I'm starting to think more about Columbia every day. ".

[QUOTE=RedEyeFish;1622976]Don't do this while in Medellin you would have been shot. This guy was lucky to be alive.

[URL]http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/us/2014/09/18/erin-dnt-moos-robbery-go-pro.cnn-youtube-globaldegreetv&hpt=hp_t2&from_homepage=yes&video_referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SamxMan;1624110]Check out medellinliving dot com for info on salsa classes, gyms etc. Useful site for all the normal stuff.[/QUOTE]Thank you Samxman. I got a lot of valuable information from the website, gyms, martial arts, hot yoga in Poblado, dance places and lessons all over Medellin, restaurants, etc, etc. I am pretty sure I won't be.

Bore once I get to Medellin. The priority is the chica activities, but I also enjoy a lot other things.

Thanks again

[QUOTE=Cerebro;1624117]Combo,

Thanks for the feedback regarding dance lessons in Medellin. I live in New Jersey, and not too many places near where I live to get dance lessons.

I just found this website of dance lessons in El Poblado and Embigado at [URL]http://www.santobaile.com/clases/[/URL].

It has some videos of the dancers with the clients. The teachers are great looking Paisa ladies. Who knows if those ladies are prepagos or nonpros. I am definitely making a visit there once I get there. The school has dance lessons such as Salsa, bachata, reggaeton, hip hop. Take a look at the website.[/QUOTE]I looked at SantoBaile's site and it's interesting. It appears some of the teachers (at least the founders) are from Cali and dance Cali Style. Cali dancers are really top-level. If you want to pursue this style, you better be in really good condition. It's worth seeing in person. Very few people do it outside of Cali.

How close are you to NYC? Do you realize New York probably has the best Salsa scene in the World? And it's where the genre started (though obviously roots are Afro-Cuban).

OUCH! 30 k for a SW is budget? For 30 k by parque berrio you can get a 30 min with 7's-9's + and a massage and a shower with some GFE! Wait, how much are the SWs by Parque Berrio?

[QUOTE=Jergens007;1623850]Hey all!

Just got back from Colombia, I am suffering from the Post Vacation blues. Can't wait to go back soon. I was there for 2.5 weeks, and while I was there, I went to Cali, Cartagena, Gutape and hacienda Napoles. My trip wasn't only for mongering, it was to explore, take photos, visit my Colombian friends. This is my 4th trip, 2008 was my last time when I was in Medellin so its been a while.

About myself and the type of women I like: I am from Los Angeles, 30's Asian-Mix, very trendy and hip. I like all types of women but I prefer Latinas. I like my women to be well toned, curvy, busty with big asses. I don't mind if they are enhanced, just as long as its wells proportion to the rest of the body. I know most of the men here are on a budget and visit Mayorista to find their girls. It isn't my scene and I don't find most of the girls there attractive. I am more into the "trophy" fucks. Studio F models, Bikini Models, Glamour Model, playboy types. I am willing to pay $$ for high end pussy. My Spanish is very limited, I can get around, buy things but I can't hold a deep conversation. Yes, I need to work on this!

Loutrons- the place moved to a new location. A bigger mansion than the previous location. The mansion is very nice but with so much space, I wonder if this is the only business they run? There were about 12 chicas, they each came out in a robe, greeted us, take off the robe and gave us a lingerie show. Very sexy! A lot of enhanced bodies, most of the girls are solid 7 or above and all in great shape. None of them had stretch marks. I picked my girl, we went to a big room with a shower, with mirrors, very nice theme rooms. Spent 280 k COP for the hour. I had a great time, GFE with condom blow job.

La Isla- new strip club, very much like any american strip club. All types of women, a few ugly ones, bigger ones and some stunners. If you sit down, the girls will try to come sit next to you, and when you're talking to them, they will ask you to buy a drink. It can be a money pit, my best advice is not waste your time on a girl you're not interested. Best if you just stand by the bar instead of sitting down on the couches. I didn't session with any women there. The place has potential but I heard its more expensive than Fase Dos.

Fase Dos-The place is the same since my last visit in 2008. The caliber of women remained the same. Hot, sexy, busty, curvy. Whatever you like, they have. After each stage show, each girl will go to your table and ask for a tip. While its annoying, all you really need to do is tip them 1 k COP, make sure to bring change. 1 drink minimum to sit at the tables. I went and had a session with this beautiful Latina with big ass and tits. GFE bareback. Fun times! 250 k COP for half hour, but we end up staying in the room for 1 hour. In my opinion, fase dos has always been very consistent.

Mayorista- I went to this place with 2 friends of mine, they are more of the budget working girl mongers. I came along and wanted to check out this area to see what this place is all about. It reminded me of a mini version of the red light district Tijunana, Mexico. A few bars, cafes, love hotels and street walkers standing by each bar awaiting to be approach. You can get a girl for about 30 K cop for half hour, which my 2 friends did. I didn't do anything because most of the girls were not up to my standards. I just sat at the bar and had a beer while waited for them. This places gets extremely pack when Colombians get their paycheck. It an be a little dangerous, so use common sense. I felt fine but while I was waiting for my 2 friends to do their thing, I went to a bar to buy a drink and just chill a good way to avoid being noticed than strolling around the streets.

*Regular Clubs*.

Sixttina Discoteca- this is a high end night club located at the Rio Sur, across from Oviedo Mall. My Colombian friend invited me out along with 2 of his female friends. 4 guys and 3 girls in my party. Entrance was 15-20 COP K? Don't quite remember. We got a table and a bottle of smirnoff was about 90 COP K. It wasn't anything extravagant to the nice Vegas night clubs but it was pretty modern. Most of the girls going to this club are with guy friends and its very rare to see "only groups of girls" the girls there are Hot! 75% of the women there were solid 7 or above. I felt like I was in some modeling convention. We had drinks, danced the night away. I end up making out with one of the girls who came with us.

Fahrenheit Discoteca-We went to this spot at 1 am, its a great after hour spots. Most of the crowd starts to pour in around 3 am. DAMN, you'll see so many beautiful women! Again, most are with guy friends. Girls come in cocktail dresses, tight shirts, showing tons of skins and cleavage. I suspect few to be potential prepagos. The previous girls we went with to Sixttina, had to take off, so it was me and my Dominican buddy with a table to ourselves. My Dominican buddy, is a tall ass dude, has good looks, has no shame, he will approach any woman. He got shot down a few times. Then he approached this beautiful girl with 3 friends. They came to our table, Again my Spanish is very limited, limiting my game. However, I used my dance skills to overcompensate my lack of Spanish, always smiling and appear to have a good time. I danced with each girls. At the the end of the night, they came back to our apartment but we didn't fuck them or anything. We just hung out, talk, did some lines of coke and just relaxed.

Non Pro Regular Social Scene- Most Colombian women always go out with their male friends to the clubs, its rare to see group of girls going to a club in Colombia. Most of the guys pay for the table, drinks and cab ride for the ladies. From what I gather, having a good social circle game is how you can date a good Colombian girl. My Colombian friend who took us to the clubs is very well off since he does business in USA and Colombia. Its good to have someone who is well connected and knows the in spots to go to and have a few non pro female friends. I made out with one of the girls who came and party with us. She doesn't speak English, my Spanish is limited. With my dance skills, being positive, always smiling and maybe my good looks helped out. Speaking Spanish and Learning how to dance is a must to get with a non pro Colombian girl. While there are a few cultural differences, the game remains the same but in different language. So speaking Spanish is a must!

This is my experience with Medellin, hope everything will have a fun and safe time there. I had a great time and dying to return soon! Cheers!

Few questions for the forum members:

The City of Bello, is this place the ghetto? Or lower middle class? Can anyone give me the 411 with the girls from this area? I hear most the prepagos are from this area and many girls are gold diggers.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Combo;1624282]I looked at SantoBaile's site and it's interesting. It appears some of the teachers (at least the founders) are from Cali and dance Cali Style. Cali dancers are really top-level. If you want to pursue this style, you better be in really good condition. It's worth seeing in person. Very few people do it outside of Cali.

How close are you to NYC? Do you realize New York probably has the best Salsa scene in the World? And it's where the genre started (though obviously roots are Afro-Cuban).[/QUOTE]Santo Baile is 2 x the price as everywhere else, but you can get a female teacher from what I gather. Other places have dude teachers. Still a lot less than lessons in your home country. Even if they don't dance "correctly" in Colombia. You can always get the rhythm down here and if you're ever in PR or DR take a new class so your moves look good.

Meh! Some girls are cute. But wow, lackluster. And for the $38 k price with no BJ. Prob won't bother returning. I couldn't even get it up for the girl, it felt like we were Both working. I thought I was going to have to start buying viagra after this boring session. But later in the day I went to Energy, and despite the ridiculous $120 k price I was hard and into it for the full hour. Worth it. A quality attitude on a hot girl makes a difference.

[QUOTE=Hioctane;1624156]It could be any of a number of reasons. From wanting to have more fun to trying to get over fucking an ugly dude. My guess is that she is a druggie.[/QUOTE]No worries man, girls like to have fun and coke is prevalent. And yeah, my guess too, druggie. If she had fun with you, she had fun. I had an incredible time with a coked up girl at yakuza, and if (When) I go back I'll pick a coked up girl again.

Thanks worldwidescout. Look at the hot paisa bachata teacher under the bachata dance videos:

[URL]http://www.santobaile.com/clases/[/URL]

I will check that place out and sign up for bachata dance if that's the teacher. She Looks like a dammed good prepago.

[QUOTE=WorldWideScout;1624523]Santo Baile is 2 x the price as everywhere else, but you can get a female teacher from what I gather. Other places have dude teachers. Still a lot less than lessons in your home country. Even if they don't dance "correctly" in Colombia. You can always get the rhythm down here and if you're ever in PR or DR take a new class so your moves look good.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Cerebro;1624548]Thanks worldwidescout. Look at the hot paisa bachata teacher under the bachata dance videos:

[URL]http://www.santobaile.com/clases/[/URL]

I will check that place out and sign up for bachata dance if that's the teacher. She Looks like a dammed good prepago.[/QUOTE]WTF? She looks like a damned good prepago? She's a dance instructor. Smh.

[QUOTE=Cerebro;1624548]Thanks worldwidescout. Look at the hot paisa bachata teacher under the bachata dance videos:

[URL]http://www.santobaile.com/clases/[/URL]

I will check that place out and sign up for bachata dance if that's the teacher. She Looks like a dammed good prepago.[/QUOTE]Tried it today! SUPER Expensive, I was wrong - 3 TImes the price of even private classes in your hotel room from other teachers. The girls that work there are Really hot, but I think its an up&up dance studio. No p4 p is the impression I got.

[QUOTE=WorldWideScout;1624648]Tried it today! SUPER Expensive, I was wrong - 3 TImes the price of even private classes in your hotel room from other teachers. The girls that work there are Really hot, but I think its an up&up dance studio. No p4 p is the impression I got.[/QUOTE]Oh and it was a different teacher from the vid, still fine though. But more than USA Prices. Fun time, but a rough expense. I wonder if you can pay a 30 k massage girl to teach you how to dance.

[QUOTE=WorldWideScout;1624652]Oh and it was a different teacher from the vid, still fine though. But more than USA Prices. Fun time, but a rough expense. I wonder if you can pay a 30 k massage girl to teach you how to dance.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the information. How much was for the lessons? Was it 30 k for a dance lesson? If that's the case that is too much for dance lessons in Colombia unless those are private lessons. In NYC group classes are about that price or a little more. Private lessons are much more expensive. I don't know about the massage girls in Colombia teaching you how to dance cause this is gong to be my first time going there. I have tried in the Dominican Republic something that works me. That is whenever I go to a dance bar / disco place where the hookers congregate if a hooker I don't like approaches me, I would buy the girl a drink, and I tell her that I don't know how dance salsa and bachata. Then they try to teach me and are just happy with the drink. That way I would get the dance lessons for a drink. Most hookers in the DR know how to dance salsa, merengue and Bachata.

[QUOTE=WorldWideScout;1624648]Tried it today! SUPER Expensive, I was wrong - 3 TImes the price of even private classes in your hotel room from other teachers. The girls that work there are Really hot, but I think its an up&up dance studio. No p4 p is the impression I got.[/QUOTE]Twice I have posted that it is absurd to think that this dance studio is an undercover prepago establishment. It is good to see that someone here substantiated my point first hand.

Some guys here need to get a grip and realize that NOT EVERYTHING in Medellin is about prepagos, and that some COLOMBIANS feel a need to take dance classes and there is indeed a market for this, not only in Medellin but in all cities in Colombia.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;1624170]I posted the video in the Argentina thread and got this reply from DaddyRuiz:

"He was known to the police so he was arrested the next day. He has a record of robbery, but was released by the judge 4 hours later because she thought he wasn't a risk to public safety.

Thereby sending a message to every fucking villero in town that robbing tourists is an acceptable cottage industry.

I'm starting to think more about Columbia every day. ".[/QUOTE]It's latin racism.

We are supposed to be their "payasos". If something happens to a "Gringo", they just laugh! Argentina or Colombia; You have NO rights. Never forget that social Law!

We discriminate latins in our countries, they do the same to us.

Sometimes it's positive discrimination, because you are supposed to have a lot of money, comes from a highly develpod country etc.

While being exposed to // violent // crime, you are negatively discriminated.

Many people have bought apartments, houses, cars, fincas, and lost it. The Law is a very different thing in Latin America.

Do not invest here if you can't afford to loose it all, that it is expendable savings you are wasting, otherwise stay away.

These are the advices I get from my Paisa and Argentine friends!

Robbing a tourist is just the top of an Hugh Iceberg!

[QUOTE=CJackSparrow;1624767]It's latin racism.

We are supposed to be their "payasos". If something happens to a "Gringo", they just laugh! Argentina or Colombia; You have NO rights. Never forget that social Law!

We discriminate latins in our countries, they do the same to us.

Sometimes it's positive discrimination, because you are supposed to have a lot of money, comes from a highly develpod country etc.

While being exposed to // violent // crime, you are negatively discriminated.

Many people have bought apartments, houses, cars, fincas, and lost it. The Law is a very different thing in Latin America.

Do not invest here if you can't afford to loose it all, that it is expendable savings you are wasting, otherwise stay away.

These are the advices I get from my Paisa and Argentine friends!

Robbing a tourist is just the top of an Hugh Iceberg![/QUOTE]Yeah, they're even racist to each other out here. You should have seen the look of disgust on the metrocable yesterday when these two more "indian" looking girls boarded. Gringo resentment is more in your face in other countries but prob shouldn't forget that it exists here (and everywhere). Especially if you're the type that innocently but unknowingly rude goes around saying "wow, everything is so cheap here!" or never haggles on price and happily pays high prices without question because you "can afford to. " people notice these things and lose sympathy quickly.

I know it is difficult to believe me. Yesterday I went to plaza Botero again at 6:00 pm and I saw another pearl. Her name is Daniela 18 years old. She is not tall (around 158 cm). Her score: face 10, body 9, affectionateness 10+. I like these types of girls. I will call her many times.

Any news on Liquid Lounge!!

A. G.

[QUOTE=Combo;1623911]Jergens.

Bello is in the far North of Medellin (not sure it's technically part of the City of MDE, might be a suburb). It's a pretty big neighborhood, certainly not upper Strata, but not as bad as the worst areas like San Javier either. Lots of working girls may very well be from Bello. But there also seems to be a trend for lots of girls to say they're from Bello since it's a LONG ways away from where most of us mongers stay. Thus, the girl can claim you should give her money (or more money) to take a taxi to Poblado.[/QUOTE]I think you are right about the trend for chicas to say they live in Bello to extract more travel money. I was chatting with a chica on FB who said she lived in Bello, her first concern was that I pay her taxi fares. When I told her I lived in el centro she seemed disappointed and said you don't live in poblado. I thought at the time it was because she thought my place would not be as upscale as in el pobo, but maybe she was thinking 30 k less travel money. She would probably ride the metro from Bello to Berrio anyway.

[QUOTE=CJackSparrow;1624767]It's latin racism.

Many people have bought apartments, houses, cars, fincas, and lost it. The Law is a very different thing in Latin America.

Do not invest here if you can't afford to loose it all, that it is expendable savings you are wasting, otherwise stay away.[/QUOTE]Are you talking about Colombia? Don't many westerners invest in property? Why would they do that? Thats a horrible way to scare off investors that bring money to the economy. Maybe investing in a country with anti US government policy like Bolivia and Venezeula is not the best idea. I can see they will take away your property or assets. Sure, gringos / foreigners get discriminated in other ways, but when it comes down to it. Most of the locals know that we have the money. Lets keep it real, the color of money will never be discriminated. Lmao!

[QUOTE=Bart1;1624927]I think you are right about the trend for chicas to say they live in Bello to extract more travel money. I was chatting with a chica on FB who said she lived in Bello, her first concern was that I pay her taxi fares. When I told her I lived in el centro she seemed disappointed and said you don't live in poblado. I thought at the time it was because she thought my place would not be as upscale as in el pobo, but maybe she was thinking 30 k less travel money. She would probably ride the metro from Bello to Berrio anyway.[/QUOTE]Well of course there may be a few who fib about being from Bello, however, lots and lots of the working chicas do come from there.

Over the years I've befriended many of them and have been out to their casas out in Bello.

Also, that chica probably was disappointed that you weren't staying in El Poblado due to the perceived 'upscaleness'.

I know this has been talked about before but I was watching caracol news today and they mentioned that in San Antonio, parque berrio, and a few others there were girls prostituting themselves on the train stations and platforms. However the department of transportation said it was just rumors and it's not happening. Anyone ever done this? Picked up some sweet tang in the train or been propositioned? Is it worth it?

[QUOTE=Nclpimp;1625014]I know this has been talked about before but I was watching caracol news today and they mentioned that in San Antonio, parque berrio, and a few others there were girls prostituting themselves on the train stations and platforms. However the department of transportation said it was just rumors and it's not happening. Anyone ever done this? Picked up some sweet tang in the train or been propositioned? Is it worth it?[/QUOTE]Jajajaaja, parque Berrio station is at 150 meters from parque Botero. I take the train every day at Berrio station and I don't understand because you need to pick up a girl there. Infact you can find 2-3 prostitutes and 2-3 gays there but at parque Botero you can find many tens of them.

A friend of mine if visiting Medellin now. He is reporting great success picking up girls in back of Iglesia La Veracruz. This church is adjacent to Plaza Botero. He has shown me pictures and he has landed several very hot girls. He goes between 5:00 PM - 8:00 PM. He says the area is pretty sketchy, but he has had no problems.

[QUOTE=Jergens007;1624929]Are you talking about Colombia? Don't many westerners invest in property? Why would they do that? Thats a horrible way to scare off investors that bring money to the economy. Maybe investing in a country with anti US government policy like Bolivia and Venezeula is not the best idea. I can see they will take away your property or assets. Sure, gringos / foreigners get discriminated in other ways, but when it comes down to it. Most of the locals know that we have the money. Lets keep it real, the color of money will never be discriminated. Lmao![/QUOTE]All true, however, Colombia is just one election from being like Venezuela.

You just never know.

I can remember when Venezuela, mainly Caracas, was rockin'!

Was my favorite place on earth.

The city, the the clubs, the girls (IMO even hotter in general than las Colombianas), etc.

Then came along Chavez, he got the poor and uneducated on his side and motivated, and Bada Bing, the place just deteriorated and became / is way too messed up and dangerous.

Not saying that's Colombia's future, but ya never know.

[QUOTE=Bart1;1624927]I think you are right about the trend for chicas to say they live in Bello to extract more travel money. I was chatting with a chica on FB who said she lived in Bello, her first concern was that I pay her taxi fares. When I told her I lived in el centro she seemed disappointed and said you don't live in poblado. I thought at the time it was because she thought my place would not be as upscale as in el pobo, but maybe she was thinking 30 k less travel money. She would probably ride the metro from Bello to Berrio anyway.[/QUOTE]Chicas are not really making any bank on taxi fares amigo, LOL. They are just concerned that their fare is covered both ways. The chicas always call once they arrive to your place. All you have to do is go down to the taxi and ask the driver "cuanto" and look at the meter. Whatever you paid the taxi driver on the arrival trip is what you can give the chica for taxi money back home.

I have had some taxistas arrive without the meter on, but taxi fare was still nothing north of 30k. And taxistas not using a meter is not the norm in Medellin. I worry more about a new chica trying to give me CBJ than getting gouged for taxi money.

And El Centro is pretty sketchy after dark, so that could be why she had reservations about coming to visit you. She probably didn't watch to catch a taxi from a sketchy area with (possibly) a sketchy driver back to her home.

[QUOTE=FoxesHunter;1624892]I know it is difficult to believe me. Yesterday I went to plaza Botero again at 6:00 pm and I saw another pearl. Her name is Daniela 18 years old. She is not tall (around 158 cm). Her score: face 10, body 9, affectionateness 10+. I like these types of girls. I will call her many times.[/QUOTE]Any photos? I only ask because you may be getting others all excited about nothing. One man's 9 is another man's 6. I have seen photos posted of guy's supposed "10's" and it was ones I would not touch with a ten foot pole.

I have seen guys bragging about pulling stunners from places like La Manzana. That place is garbage. And what's insulting (more like 'laughable") is they want you to pay a salida to take a female from there.

[QUOTE=WorldWideScout;1624856]Yeah, they're even racist to each other out here. You should have seen the look of disgust on the metrocable yesterday when these two more "indian" looking girls boarded. Gringo resentment is more in your face in other countries but prob shouldn't forget that it exists here (and everywhere). Especially if you're the type that innocently but unknowingly rude goes around saying "wow, everything is so cheap here!" or never haggles on price and happily pays high prices without question because you "can afford to. " people notice these things and lose sympathy quickly.[/QUOTE]I wanted to take up the subject; Men from the 1th world doesn't alyas have to feel guilty about everything that is bad in the 2nd and 3rd worlds.

The other side are also rationalising there view of Gringos but we have human rights also; don't accept be treated like a "Walking Wallet".

Men are proud and are not after your money. But among females it's notorious; even a lawyer and a high succssesfull girl tried to pull some easy tricks with me.

And end of cooperation. They simply can't control their impulses.

That is the most important lesson to be had. This cultural trait is dangerous for all of us and I mention it as "racism" to draw attention to this very real problem.

Females in Colombia are deceptive, and I mean from Estrato 1 to the highest 6.

That doesn't mean that I don't like Colombia and this very females.

Loosing money to a prepago etc. Or some blah-thing, who cares?

But for the guys to marries into a Colombian family, the moder is problably even worse the your wife when it comes to economical benefits that they seemingly take for granted.

The rumour about Colombian females being deceptive are true, and are unchangeable.

I write especially for the newbies.

This is Paradise, but it's full ofpoisonous snakes!

That was my point.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1625111]Any photos? I only ask because you may be getting others all excited about nothing. One man's 9 is another man's 6. I have seen photos posted of guy's supposed "10's" and it was ones I would not touch with a ten foot pole.

I have seen guys bragging about pulling stunners from places like La Manzana. That place is garbage. And what's insulting (more like 'laughable") is they want you to pay a salida to take a female from there.[/QUOTE]I made video only, not pics. When I will come back at home I will make editing video and I will take out some pics for you.

[quote=foxeshunter;1624892]i know it is difficult to believe me. yesterday i went to plaza botero again at 6:00 pm and i saw another pearl. her name is daniela 18 years old. she is not tall (around 158 cm). her score: face 10, body 9, affectionateness 10+. i like these types of girls. i will call her many times.[/quote]did you check her i.d.? many, many street girls that work around the museum and church are ****d. lots of glue huffers and drug users. plus they would not think twice sticking a knife in your side. you may have gotten lucky but i would definitely be extra careful 'shopping' in this area.

[QUOTE=WorldWideScout;1624856]Yeah, they're even racist to each other out here. You should have seen the look of disgust on the metrocable yesterday when these two more "indian" looking girls boarded. Gringo resentment is more in your face in other countries but prob shouldn't forget that it exists here (and everywhere). Especially if you're the type that innocently but unknowingly rude goes around saying "wow, everything is so cheap here!" or never haggles on price and happily pays high prices without question because you "can afford to. " people notice these things and lose sympathy quickly.[/QUOTE]Human beings are racist / classist / ethnocentric / bigoted/religiously intolerant the World over. I'm not sure why anyone would be surprised to see this. As a foreigner, yes, some Colombianos may treat you differently. Always keep your eyes and ears open.

[quote=jergens007;1624929]are you talking about colombia? don't many westerners invest in property? why would they do that? thats a horrible way to scare off investors that bring money to the economy. maybe investing in a country with anti us government policy like bolivia and venezeula is not the best idea. i can see they will take away your property or assets. sure, gringos / foreigners get discriminated in other ways, but when it comes down to it. most of the locals know that we have the money. lets keep it real, the color of money will never be discriminated. lmao![/quote]it was a warning.

of course one should invest in colombia and in latin america.

but watch out.

as he mentions, colombia might just be an election away from being venezuela, where they confirep001e private property to create a perfect marxist society.

the risk as a foreigner must be considered as high. most of the investors doesn't speak spanish, know little about colombian law and business culture.

a paisa here bought an apartment. went on vacacion. the apartment was not her's anymore when returning to medellin. and she could not nothing about it.

that's the real colombia, don't expect a paraside business climate only because people are so friendly.

american's can be so naive! // jergens // always heading out for something new, creating new things all the time. but the flipside to that coin; it's easy to get trapped.

real gains are hard to make for the people here. if they know everyting and you nothing, they just take the opportunity. the benefits are enormous!

this and much more must be taken into consideration before investing here.

many take for granted that colombian growth and rising real estate prices will continue year after year.

no. there will be major setbacks.

as an investor i would wait until "when there is blood on the streets-buy property", slogan from judy foster the man inside.

but it's true. there will come a new wave of violence and the civil war will blossom up again.

social class difference are so steep in prestige and income that it is unavoidable.

50% of the population belongs to estrato 1-2, which means that a family lives on 1-2 minimum wages, that's $us 350-700 for a whole family. and it isn't that cheap here, it's actucally cost almost half an hour of work to buy 50 cl water bottle, and it's not cheap in an international comparison either. bavaria sell practically all beers, and exito the most of the supermarkets.

when the middle class in growing by 1% of the population a year one can afford to be optimistic.

but in fact this progress does not only create hope, it creates equally amount of frustration. the majority of people from the lower estratos know that have no chance. they can study "intenational business", but can't speak a word of english. the real education is for the already living comfortable people. they simply won't let estrato 1-3 in to their world. that will create even more tension since the lower estrato people are / will feel / ing that they should have an income and career as they have studied precisly the same things, only a litlle more quality among the private universities. the cost is most about keeping away estrato 1-3 from entering the world of the priviliged people, where estrato 4 serves as servants and estrato 5 as want to-bees, but without real chance of competing with the elite.

why?

colombia have the biggest income difference in the world, aside a few african countires hauted by civil war and total absence of infrastructure.

this is a historical pattern. and there is no real change, just a business cycle that is in a prolonged boom!

there is a higher risk for an risk-capitalist that actual statistics shows; the country is a class 4 risk-country out of 7 being the worst, kind of medium-risk.

but what if the so sensitive peaceprocess fall apart, which all paisas says it will. farc can simply not accept giving up their narco-trade and the government can't give them seats in the government. it's to polarized.

when the exportmarkets are becoming saturated by colombian products and the real estate business finally backlashes in a few years, underlying weaknesses will finally emerge to their full extent and a negative cylce begins.

when, if a peace treaty is reached and the conflict really ends, then the cirumstances are better, but colombia is not there yet.

if estrato 1-2 get minimum wages of 1 million pesos a month for 48 hours weekly work, and not 600-700 k for 60 weekly hours that it the norm today, which also shows how very weak the law is in colombia when everybody can exploit workers at will, then the real long-term growth will be secured. 50% of the people living on minimum wage is a factor that makes it impossible to create a domestic demand that is worth investing for for many companies, the underlaying population is to narrow, hence import is the only option. a classic senario for many countries that have seen their high growth come to a rapid halt.

overoptimism is the case.

[quote=almotu;1625136]did you check her i.d.? many, many street girls that work around the museum and church are ****d. lots of glue huffers and drug users. plus they would not think twice sticking a knife in your side. you may have gotten lucky but i would definitely be extra careful 'shopping' in this area.[/quote]she has a very recent id, i have checked her. no problem, but i have to tell my experience with her. it was a very bad experience. her face is 9 her body 9 her fucking 4. what a pity! i did go out her at 7:00 am.

moral of the story: i will not pick up a 18 years old girl. i need more expert old girls (about 24-25 years old girls). i fucked 15-16 girls but the best girl is johana.

tomorrow i will come back to my country. in medellin my head was always overwhelmed by a thousand thoughts. there are too many beautiful and sexy girls.

i'm in medellin for 20 days and i fucked more than 15 beautiful girls but. i don't like their fucking framework at all. every girl has a rigid framework. it is very easy to make photos or video with a "propina" but it is very difficult to change their fucking mode for a little time. for example you cannot kiss them in passionate way really, you cannot get tenderness, even if all a pretense, the colombian girls do not like to work on it. even if you pay very well for them, they are not able to give you an almost real girlfriend experience. their caresses are elusive, their kisses are few, small and elusive too, etc. etc. yet i have always paid them very well (200 k for all night). what do i have to tell you more? even if in medellin there many opportunities, you are not able to exploit them and enjoy a good sex time.

i have one or two colombian female friends with which i spent much time. they are wonderful girls, very funny, i love talking with them. but when i get sex with them, the speech changes. i'm 55 years old and nice, but i have a feeling that i have wasted a lot of money unsatisfactorily. i still have about a day in medellin but i will not spend my money again. colombia is disappointing me more and more.

[QUOTE=Ricker;1625099]All true, however, Colombia is just one election from being like Venezuela.

You just never know.

I can remember when Venezuela, mainly Caracas, was rockin'!

Was my favorite place on earth.

The city, the the clubs, the girls (IMO even hotter in general than las Colombianas), etc.

Then came along Chavez, he got the poor and uneducated on his side and motivated, and Bada Bing, the place just deteriorated and became / is way too messed up and dangerous.

Not saying that's Colombia's future, but ya never know.[/QUOTE]Good point Ricker.

Colombians will vote on mandatory voter participation. If it passes, Colombia might take a turn to the left and the "White Party". This may not be good for foreign investment and gringo expats.

[quote=cjacksparrow;1625275]it was a warning.

of course one should invest in colombia and in latin america.

but watch out.

as he mentions, colombia might just be an election away from being venezuela, where they confirep001e private property to create a perfect marxist society.

the risk as a foreigner must be considered as high. most of the investors doesn't speak spanish, know little about colombian law and business culture.

a paisa here bought an apartment. went on vacacion. the apartment was not her's anymore when returning to medellin. and she could not nothing about it.

that's the real colombia, don't expect a paraside business climate only because people are so friendly.

american's can be so naive! // jergens // always heading out for something new, creating new things all the time. but the flipside to that coin; it's easy to get trapped.

real gains are hard to make for the people here. if they know everyting and you nothing, they just take the opportunity. the benefits are enormous!

this and much more must be taken into consideration before investing here.

many take for granted that colombian growth and rising real estate prices will continue year after year.

no. there will be major setbacks.

as an investor i would wait until "when there is blood on the streets-buy property", slogan from judy foster the man inside.

but it's true. there will come a new wave of violence and the civil war will blossom up again.

social class difference are so steep in prestige and income that it is unavoidable.

50% of the population belongs to estrato 1-2, which means that a family lives on 1-2 minimum wages, that's $us 350-700 for a whole family. and it isn't that cheap here, it's actucally cost almost half an hour of work to buy 50 cl water bottle, and it's not cheap in an international comparison either. bavaria sell practically all beers, and exito the most of the supermarkets.

when the middle class in growing by 1% of the population a year one can afford to be optimistic.

but in fact this progress does not only create hope, it creates equally amount of frustration. the majority of people from the lower estratos know that have no chance. they can study "intenational business", but can't speak a word of english. the real education is for the already living comfortable people. they simply won't let estrato 1-3 in to their world. that will create even more tension since the lower estrato people are / will feel / ing that they should have an income and career as they have studied precisly the same things, only a litlle more quality among the private universities. the cost is most about keeping away estrato 1-3 from entering the world of the priviliged people, where estrato 4 serves as servants and estrato 5 as want to-bees, but without real chance of competing with the elite.

why?

colombia have the biggest income difference in the world, aside a few african countires hauted by civil war and total absence of infrastructure.

this is a historical pattern. and there is no real change, just a business cycle that is in a prolonged boom!

there is a higher risk for an risk-capitalist that actual statistics shows; the country is a class 4 risk-country out of 7 being the worst, kind of medium-risk.

but what if the so sensitive peaceprocess fall apart, which all paisas says it will. farc can simply not accept giving up their narco-trade and the government can't give them seats in the government. it's to polarized.

when the exportmarkets are becoming saturated by colombian products and the real estate business finally backlashes in a few years, underlying weaknesses will finally emerge to their full extent and a negative cylce begins.

when, if a peace treaty is reached and the conflict really ends, then the cirumstances are better, but colombia is not there yet.

if estrato 1-2 get minimum wages of 1 million pesos a month for 48 hours weekly work, and not 600-700 k for 60 weekly hours that it the norm today, which also shows how very weak the law is in colombia when everybody can exploit workers at will, then the real long-term growth will be secured. 50% of the people living on minimum wage is a factor that makes it impossible to create a domestic demand that is worth investing for for many companies, the underlaying population is to narrow, hence import is the only option. a classic senario for many countries that have seen their high growth come to a rapid halt.

overoptimism is the case.[/quote]actually, colombia is not in the top ten of countries in the world regarding income disparity. see [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/23/10-countries-with-worst-income-inequality_n_865869.html.[/url] that does not negate your arguments, but desirability - those that seek to invest in colombia - is not subject to empirical determination anymore than the stock market is. my subjective opinion is that medellin is the diamond in the sand. kind of like discovering a ten in el centro. the climate, the friendly people, and of course the women make this place the garden of eden.

the world is discovering colombia. investment will pour in, especially if peace is made with the farc. just check out what the world is saying:

[url]http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/colombias-resurgence/[/url]

[url]http://www.theaustralian.com.au/travel/colombia-revisited/story-e6frg8rf-1227040477366?nk=f775673f383c45f651b19de8039714c4[/url]

[url]http://www.businessoffashion.com/2014/08/colombia-open-ready-business.html[/url]

[url]http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/opinion/2014/07/30/rick-sanchez-colombia-truly-remarkable-comeback-story/[/url]

[QUOTE=FoxesHunter;1624892]I know it is difficult to believe me. Yesterday I went to plaza Botero again at 6:00 pm and I saw another pearl. Her name is Daniela 18 years old. She is not tall (around 158 cm). Her score: face 10, body 9, affectionateness 10+. I like these types of girls. I will call her many times.[/QUOTE]The Botero street ladies are not attractive at all in my opinion. Definitely the lowest end of the market. Also dangerous at night.

[QUOTE=Combo;1623911]Jergens.

Bello is in the far North of Medellin (not sure it's technically part of the City of MDE, might be a suburb). It's a pretty big neighborhood, certainly not upper Strata, but not as bad as the worst areas like San Javier either. Lots of working girls may very well be from Bello. But there also seems to be a trend for lots of girls to say they're from Bello since it's a LONG ways away from where most of us mongers stay. Thus, the girl can claim you should give her money (or more money) to take a taxi to Poblado.[/QUOTE]Bello is a separate municipality, a suburb of Medellin. Can anybody recommend any specific locations or clubs in Bello?

[QUOTE=LegalTender;1625468]Actually, Colombia is not in the top ten of countries in the world regarding income disparity. See [URL]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/23/10-countries-with-worst-income-inequality_n_865869.html.[/URL] That does not negate your arguments, but desirability - Those that seek to invest in Colombia - Is not subject to empirical determination anymore than the stock market is. My subjective opinion is that Medellin is the diamond in the sand. Kind of like discovering a ten in El Centro. The climate, the friendly people, and of course the women make this place the Garden of Eden.

The world is discovering Colombia. Investment will pour in, especially if peace is made with the FARC. Just check out what the world is saying:

[URL]http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/colombias-resurgence/[/URL]

[URL]http://www.theaustralian.com.au/travel/colombia-revisited/story-e6frg8rf-1227040477366?nk=f775673f383c45f651b19de8039714c4[/URL]

[URL]http://www.businessoffashion.com/2014/08/colombia-open-ready-business.html[/URL]

[URL]http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/opinion/2014/07/30/rick-sanchez-colombia-truly-remarkable-comeback-story/[/URL][/QUOTE]Measuring using GINI-coefficient Colombia is the 10th worst in the world only poor African countries has worse income distribution.

CIAs figures in "The World factbook", is a simple guide, it's not controversial and the statistics are valid and relieable, much of the same that you will find from other institutions measuring and investigation economy.

[URL]https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2172rank.html?countryname=Colombia&countrycode=co&regionCode=soa&rank=10[/URL]#co.

This cultural based problem is the greatest obstacle for sustained high growth.

Except Taiwan all emerging countries has failed to make progress over the $US 20.000, in todays value, level since 1945. The reason is that the society can't create an economical and political middleclass that politicans need more than the middleclass need them!

I have read that in Foreign Affairs [URL]http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/138219/ruchir-sharma/broken-brics[/URL].

The Western culture has not only founded the Private Property-Institution, it's deep in our culture. In other culture it's not. Make the same laws that a Western country, the outcome while be very different, only Taiwan and once Japan has made it!

Yes. Medellin has much to offfer, is The Garden Of Eden.

Still, we must consider this historical data and ask Us selves; Can Colombia diverge from that pattern??

[quote=foxeshunter;1625363]tomorrow i will come back to my country. in medellin my head was always overwhelmed by a thousand thoughts. there are too many beautiful and sexy girls.

i'm in medellin for 20 days and i fucked more than 15 beautiful girls but. i don't like their fucking framework at all. every girl has a rigid framework. it is very easy to make photos or video with a "propina" but it is very difficult to change their fucking mode for a little time. for example you cannot kiss them in passionate way really, you cannot get tenderness, even if all a pretense, the colombian girls do not like to work on it. even if you pay very well for them, they are not able to give you an almost real girlfriend experience. their caresses are elusive, their kisses are few, small and elusive too, etc. etc. yet i have always paid them very well (200 k for all night). what do i have to tell you more? even if in medellin there many opportunities, you are not able to exploit them and enjoy a good sex time.

i have one or two colombian female friends with which i spent much time. they are wonderful girls, very funny, i love talking with them. but when i get sex with them, the speech changes. i'm 55 years old and nice, but i have a feeling that i have wasted a lot of money unsatisfactorily. i still have about a day in medellin but i will not spend my money again. colombia is disappointing me more and more.[/quote]to sum it up: you just can't buy chemestry.

i'll leave it at that.

[QUOTE=CJackSparrow;1625489]Measuring using GINI-coefficient Colombia is the 10th worst in the world only poor African countries has worse income distribution.

CIAs figures in "The World factbook", is a simple guide, it's not controversial and the statistics are valid and relieable, much of the same that you will find from other institutions measuring and investigation economy.

[URL]https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2172rank.html?countryname=Colombia&countrycode=co&regionCode=soa&rank=10[/URL]#co.

This cultural based problem is the greatest obstacle for sustained high growth.

Except Taiwan all emerging countries has failed to make progress over the $US 20.000, in todays value, level since 1945. The reason is that the society can't create an economical and political middleclass that politicans need more than the middleclass need them!

I have read that in Foreign Affairs [URL]http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/138219/ruchir-sharma/broken-brics[/URL].

The Western culture has not only founded the Private Property-Institution, it's deep in our culture. In other culture it's not. Make the same laws that a Western country, the outcome while be very different, only Taiwan and once Japan has made it!

Yes. Medellin has much to offfer, is The Garden Of Eden.

Still, we must consider this historical data and ask Us selves; Can Colombia diverge from that pattern??[/QUOTE]I read your data, and I understand your argument. It certainly has merit. Notwithstanding the logic of and historical support for concern in investing in Colombia, my gut tells me that it's going to be a real beneficiary of investment. Right or wrong from a historical perspective, Medellin has remained undiscovered. The Colombian GDP grew last year at 4. 3 per cent, and construction 21.3 per cent growth. My disclaimer is that I am in the dis-accumulation chapter in my life. And, real estate was never my favored investment. It's too illiquid, and with taxes and other fees it never was attractive to me as an investment in Colombia or elsewhere.

Jack thanks for the thoughtful analysis.

And, as usual, only good energy!

[QUOTE=SamxMan;1625473]The Botero street ladies are not attractive at all in my opinion. Definitely the lowest end of the market. Also dangerous at night.[/QUOTE]I have never bothered going there, but Fox says there are 9's and even 10's. There are a lot of girls, so maybe 5% or less are such, but as a foreigner you can stroll along and wait and pay much for the girl your really want, as the price is 20-30 k pesos, 100 is a lot for an independent prepago.

I have had to much sex here. I can't motivate myself to invite more girls to my partment. I know how to pick up girls at Colombiancupid easily and quickly; write $$ and a little blaha about making a deal. And then go to whatsapp. Then the innocent girl in the profile are prepared to anything you want. And it's quick, if you are horney and want a girl, just do it, and invite. There's problem that no one can solve; waiting for paisa. But considering this and accumulating 5 contacts, there should always be 2-3 ready to scramble when you feel like it!

I'm exhuasted, the craving for young babes come and goes in waves, soon it will be 5 months here. Never been so easy to focus on important stuff as when you are satisfied long-term with the girls here.

That can be done in a short period of time. Let's say 2-3 weeks. XXXX 24/7 and then go home and work. Twice a year. You will be the employee with the highest prodoctivity ever!

In the prepago area I don't know how to find something new, apart from Foxhunters discovery at Iglesia Veracruz.

[QUOTE=LegalTender;1625553]I read your data, and I understand your argument. It certainly has merit. Notwithstanding the logic of and historical support for concern in investing in Colombia, my gut tells me that it's going to be a real beneficiary of investment. Right or wrong from a historical perspective, Medellin has remained undiscovered. The Colombian GDP grew last year at 4. 3 per cent, and construction 21.3 per cent growth. My disclaimer is that I am in the dis-accumulation chapter in my life. And, real estate was never my favored investment. It's too illiquid, and with taxes and other fees it never was attractive to me as an investment in Colombia or elsewhere.

Jack thanks for the thoughtful analysis.

And, as usual, only good energy![/QUOTE]Sir, Legal tender, thanks for your reply. And your good energy!

We on the forum would like to know ther you got the 21.3% construction number from?

[URL]http://www.larepublica.co/economia/construcci%C3%B3n-y-miner%C3%ADa-llevar%C3%ADan-el-crecimiento-econ%C3%B3mico-de-colombia-en-2014-5_89771[/URL]

There it says 9. 3%, but equally curious about your number.

[QUOTE=CJackSparrow;1625589]Sir, Legal tender, thanks for your reply. And your good energy!

We on the forum would like to know ther you got the 21.3% construction number from?

[URL]http://www.larepublica.co/economia/construcci%C3%B3n-y-miner%C3%ADa-llevar%C3%ADan-el-crecimiento-econ%C3%B3mico-de-colombia-en-2014-5_89771[/URL]

There it says 9. 3%, but equally curious about your number.[/QUOTE][URL]http://www.investincolombia.com.co/news/682-the-fourth-nation-with-the-highest-economic-growth-in-2014.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=CJackSparrow;1625589]Sir, Legal tender, thanks for your reply. And your good energy!

We on the forum would like to know ther you got the 21.3% construction number from?

[URL]http://www.larepublica.co/economia/construcci%C3%B3n-y-miner%C3%ADa-llevar%C3%ADan-el-crecimiento-econ%C3%B3mico-de-colombia-en-2014-5_89771[/URL]

There it says 9. 3%, but equally curious about your number.[/QUOTE]Meanwhile the Colombian peso is getting crushed.

[QUOTE=LegalTender;1625709][URL]http://www.investincolombia.com.co/news/682-the-fourth-nation-with-the-highest-economic-growth-in-2014.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Thanks Legal Tender.

This figure is to be compared with the development of the incomes for the middleclass. And the total amount of the middelcass incomes since it increase 1% of the population a year last decade, from 16 to 25%, meaning people with incomes from 2 M COP a month to 10 M COP. And the average income for everyone within the class increases as well.

If there are a good correlation between inomces and construccion increase, prices of housing and construction then the risk for a bubble is small, otherwise Colombia is heading towards a real estate crisis.

The risk for this has been mentioned by Serfinco and Todoestadistica.

[URL]http://www.serfinco.com.co/site/Portals/0/Coyuntura/Analisis_del_mercado_de_vivienda_en_colombia%202013.pdf[/URL] [URL]http://todoestadistica.com/modelacion-del-precio-de-la-vivienda-usada-en-medellin/[/URL].

A factor that makes the market more steady in Colombia is the demand that 20-40% of the capital must be payed upfront when buying property, this limits the risk for crisis and it's effect when it eventually comes.

If the total amount of credit increases more rapidly than incomes year after year that is also a sign that warns about a bubble.

With facts in hand it is no so difficult to see why the world economy hit the finiancial crisis 2008 when looking at the correlation of the various types of data.

Problem is that for example credits in the whole economy is estimated and the real number is collected , (?) 1-2 year afterwards and thats why its impossible for a Central bank to know if to hit the brakepedal of give more gas!

If prices sticks out and also construccion there are pure speculation going on.

But so far so good!

[QUOTE=LegalTender;1625553]I read your data, and I understand your argument. It certainly has merit. Notwithstanding the logic of and historical support for concern in investing in Colombia, my gut tells me that it's going to be a real beneficiary of investment. Right or wrong from a historical perspective, Medellin has remained undiscovered. The Colombian GDP grew last year at 4. 3 per cent, and construction 21.3 per cent growth. My disclaimer is that I am in the dis-accumulation chapter in my life. And, real estate was never my favored investment. It's too illiquid, and with taxes and other fees it never was attractive to me as an investment in Colombia or elsewhere.

Jack thanks for the thoughtful analysis.

And, as usual, only good energy![/QUOTE]First, thanks for the link to the constrution data and the site is splendid for any foreginer in the moment of starting to do business here.

"My subjective opinion is that Medellin is the diamond in the sand. ".

"Notwithstanding the logic of and historical support for concern in investing in Colombia, my gut tells me that it's going to be a real beneficiary of investment. Right or wrong from a historical perspective, Medellin has remained undiscovered. ".

That is very intereresting quotes indeed!

[URL]http://www.caseyresearch.com/cdd/attractively-priced-real-estate-courtesy-of-pablo-escobar[/URL]

A Real Estate experts concluds that out of courtesy of Pablo Escobar and the Medellin Cartell the rumour in the world is still so bad that is affects foreigns trade and investments.

He concludes that buying property here gives you 100% in less than 10 years, and then it's in a country with very low inflation, and it comes much from the rapid introduction of new technologial systems that are expensive but much more effective, or can do things that nevar has been done before on Colombian soil. So with the circumstances that has been since the last decade, it's practically "pure" 100% increase. That can be done a lot shorter period of 10 years, if you know exactly where to invest.

Legal Tender; Can you give us examples that Medellin still is "undiscovered", which indicates that here are an huge amout of business opportunites to exploit!

"Medellin is the diamond in the sand"; Yes. But also won the titel "most innovative city in the world 2013", in competition with New York and Tel Aviv which inticates that it's discovered, but to what extent?

Info it's kind of mixed when it comes to how much of Medellin potential growth opportunites there still are undiscovered in Medellin.

One aspect that is fundamental to the country's risk-factor is the civil war. If it only can be keep at this level, it's OK, Colombia is relatively safe. But about real peace? Is it graspable?

And again; the middlecass; can it continue to grow both in size and incomes?

Con Mucho Gusto see Jack Sparrow.

[QUOTE=CJackSparrow;1626041]First, thanks for the link to the constrution data and the site is splendid for any foreginer in the moment of starting to do business here.

"My subjective opinion is that Medellin is the diamond in the sand. ".

"Notwithstanding the logic of and historical support for concern in investing in Colombia, my gut tells me that it's going to be a real beneficiary of investment. Right or wrong from a historical perspective, Medellin has remained undiscovered. ".

That is very intereresting quotes indeed!

[URL]http://www.caseyresearch.com/cdd/attractively-priced-real-estate-courtesy-of-pablo-escobar[/URL]

A Real Estate experts concluds that out of courtesy of Pablo Escobar and the Medellin Cartell the rumour in the world is still so bad that is affects foreigns trade and investments.

He concludes that buying property here gives you 100% in less than 10 years, and then it's in a country with very low inflation, and it comes much from the rapid introduction of new technologial systems that are expensive but much more effective, or can do things that nevar has been done before on Colombian soil. So with the circumstances that has been since the last decade, it's practically "pure" 100% increase. That can be done a lot shorter period of 10 years, if you know exactly where to invest...[/QUOTE]Enough already!

[QUOTE=Kelso1;1626117]Enough already![/QUOTE]Yes, PLEASE send all the political, economic, etc jibber jabber to the General section.

Gracias!!

Haven't been spoiled in that section for a while, so I went looking for providers. Entered [URL]ChicasLindas.com[/URL] and watched the parade. One in particular called my attention: Jennifer. Looked like she is a trigueña but with a fair skin. Good proportioned lean body with no excesses on the bust and butt parts. Settled on 60 K including the fee for the house. She did a good job. Dedicated to the last drop!

As I enjoyed very much the treat, a couple of days later I went back. Alas, no Jennifer. After the parade I asked for Sofia, but she didn't feel like doing the job. She went back and I heard her telling the others the reason of her withdrawal. Some giggling followed and the two others I invited after her, refused as well.

So I decided to visit the neighbours on the same floor: Fantasias.

There were about 8 girls present and I picked Pilar. Kinda trigueña also. Color of skin and body shape very similar to Jennifer. As she was willing to do the job and she agreed to the same 60 K all-in, we went into the room. She did a good job, but Jennifer was slightly better.

So, if you like the combination I enjoyed, try to get Jennifer at [URL]ChicasLindas.com[/URL].

Perhaps are you talking about chicas punto com?

I don't know why you guys want to talk endlessly about the Colombian economy, property market, diet etc on a forum dedicated to sex!

In an effort to get thing back on track my recommendation of the week is Conejitas strip club. On Friday and Saturday nights you will find about 30 - 40 sexy ladies and the price is 25 USD for about 40 minutes. Some are very attractive (many certainly are not). One of my favorite spots. Beers are only 2 USD so also a nice place just to hang out. As ever, be careful in this part of Centro especially at night.

I'm taking my first trip to Medellin next month and I have been able to connect with a few chicas on Facebook. My question is what's the best way to clarify the "arrangement" before hand? I'd prefer not to come right out and ask how much as to not offend the "non-pros" plus I'd love to secure a few non-pros for the future trips. That being said the last thing I want to do is have a chica come over. Bang her out. And then get into a fight because she's asking for some ridiculous amount. Any thoughts?

[QUOTE=Dealdo;1554491]You maybe right. I just said what a veteran monger in Philippines told me. I never do mongering in Asia, is just not my taste. So I have no more info than what friends tell me. He said in Manila Asian dudes from rich countries have the preference and white dudes are not that lucky in his experience (he is white) ,

But well the point is that. In Latin America you have to be handsome or a real good player to get a hottie for free or almost free, remember that these countries are full of very handsome dudes and real good players and they are locals, They know what girls like, want etc.

Average girls, well, average guys can have a shot just like everywhere else.

In another hand if you are willing to spend a lot of money with them, then you are talking again about paying in another way and more than a flat rate.

This is just logic stuff, and is been said soo much that sounds redundant, Is just 101 mongering, If that was the real case the whole industry wouldn't be that successful. And is a big profit industry everywhere, just because you can't fuck cheap or free all the hotties you see walking on the malls and the cheerleaders from your college. Medellin also is just life, not utopia land. Want a hottie and you are not a player you have to pay the price in many ways.[/QUOTE]So right. Even big strong, young handsome jock Gerardo Latin stud types have to pay for it sometimes. Not fessing up to this like monkeys not hand masturbating publicly in the zoo LOL!

[QUOTE=Cerebro;1624548]Thanks worldwidescout. Look at the hot paisa bachata teacher under the bachata dance videos:

[URL]http://www.santobaile.com/clases/[/URL]

I will check that place out and sign up for bachata dance if that's the teacher. She Looks like a dammed good prepago.[/QUOTE]I took a salsa lesson at Santo Baile last week. It cost 65 K for one hour which is expensive but it was a great lesson. The teacher was a petite female who taught me rudimentary 'Cali style' salsa. There are several studios, all air conditioned and well maintained. There is also a studio called 'Free Salsa on 10 A and 40 or 41. This place is run by a gringo, Mark, and has group classes every night for only 8 K. They also give private lessons in LA style and I believe its much cheaper than Santo Baile.

[QUOTE=BobbyDrake;1626320]I'm taking my first trip to Medellin next month and I have been able to connect with a few chicas on Facebook. My question is what's the best way to clarify the "arrangement" before hand? I'd prefer not to come right out and ask how much as to not offend the "non-pros" plus I'd love to secure a few non-pros for the future trips. That being said the last thing I want to do is have a chica come over. Bang her out. And then get into a fight because she's asking for some ridiculous amount. Any thoughts?[/QUOTE]If you meet a non-pro on facebook she is definitely going to expect to be taken out for something to eat at a nice place and dancing after before even thinking of jumping into bed with you. Normally you are probably looking at 2 or 3 dates and maybe spending a few dollars on her in the Mall. If it's just sex you want then it will be cheaper and easier just to be up front and ask how much. In my experience Colombians don't really get the idea of tact or diplomacy so I would just come right out with it!

Number 1 piece of advice for hooking up with non-pros. Learn to dance, don't be tight with the pesos and look sharp.

I just had a pretty weird experience. I ordered a girl, she arrived punctual and told the portero that I should come down. So I came down, standing lots of people in the entree and I didn't know which one she was. So I just phoned her, no answer. Then I asked the portero where she was and he pointed her out. I greeted her, she looked pretty hot, but also pretty dumb. She was very friendly, gave me some compliments about my looks and confirmed directly the price (150 k peso) in front of my portero and it looked like she wanted to get paid downstairs. I told her, we will do that at my place and we went upstairs to my apartment. Well, it turns out, she is really dumb and actually fucked pretty good.

Well, I have to admit I feel a little bit ashamed, especially because I know all of my porteros and because there are other people of my company in the building.

I would not order again a girl to my place if this happens very often.

So my questions to you:

1.) Is it normal that the guy has to come downstairs?

2.) Is it possible to communicate to the girl that discretion is important to me, or does that just create warning signals and the girl becomes even more paranoid?

I live in Poblado and I don't want to drive every time I want to fuck to Laureles.

3.) Is there a good chica-house in Poblado? Ideally one where I can choose from. I don't need (or like) Striptease bars and usually girls there are just overpriced. I'm just looking for a normal brothel within Poblado.

Tell your portero ahead of time that you are expecting a guest and to let her pass. He will call you on phone and warn you that she has arrived and is coming up. Tip the guy and it will go well for you without anybody noticing your visitors. Porteros have seen it all so don't be embarrassed.

Suerte

[QUOTE=LiveLarry;1626668]I just had a pretty weird experience. I ordered a girl, she arrived punctual and told the portero that I should come down. So I came down, standing lots of people in the entree and I didn't know which one she was. So I just phoned her, no answer. Then I asked the portero where she was and he pointed her out. I greeted her, she looked pretty hot, but also pretty dumb. She was very friendly, gave me some compliments about my looks and confirmed directly the price (150 k peso) in front of my portero and it looked like she wanted to get paid downstairs. I told her, we will do that at my place and we went upstairs to my apartment. Well, it turns out, she is really dumb and actually fucked pretty good.

Well, I have to admit I feel a little bit ashamed, especially because I know all of my porteros and because there are other people of my company in the building.

I would not order again a girl to my place if this happens very often.

So my questions to you:..[/QUOTE]

Dude! You've been here at least since 2011 and the only three posts you made were questions.

Why haven't you posted at least one report in the Lima thread?! You Didn't even bother to answer questions there!

Unbelievable!

[QUOTE=LiveLarry;1626668]I just had a pretty weird experience. I ordered a girl, she arrived punctual and told the portero that I should come down. So I came down, standing lots of people in the entree and I didn't know which one she was. So I just phoned her, no answer. Then I asked the portero where she was and he pointed her out. I greeted her, she looked pretty hot, but also pretty dumb. She was very friendly, gave me some compliments about my looks and confirmed directly the price (150 k peso) in front of my portero and it looked like she wanted to get paid downstairs. I told her, we will do that at my place and we went upstairs to my apartment. Well, it turns out, she is really dumb and actually fucked pretty good.

Well, I have to admit I feel a little bit ashamed, especially because I know all of my porteros and because there are other people of my company in the building.

I would not order again a girl to my place if this happens very often.

So my questions to you:

1.) Is it normal that the guy has to come downstairs?

2.) Is it possible to communicate to the girl that discretion is important to me, or does that just create warning signals and the girl becomes even more paranoid?

I live in Poblado and I don't want to drive every time I want to fuck to Laureles.

3.) Is there a good chica-house in Poblado? Ideally one where I can choose from. I don't need (or like) Striptease bars and usually girls there are just overpriced. I'm just looking for a normal brothel within Poblado.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LiveLarry;1626668]I just had a pretty weird experience. I ordered a girl, she arrived punctual and told the portero that I should come down. So I came down, standing lots of people in the entree and I didn't know which one she was. So I just phoned her, no answer. Then I asked the portero where she was and he pointed her out. I greeted her, she looked pretty hot, but also pretty dumb. She was very friendly, gave me some compliments about my looks and confirmed directly the price (150 k peso) in front of my portero and it looked like she wanted to get paid downstairs. I told her, we will do that at my place and we went upstairs to my apartment. Well, it turns out, she is really dumb and actually fucked pretty good.

Well, I have to admit I feel a little bit ashamed, especially because I know all of my porteros and because there are other people of my company in the building.

I would not order again a girl to my place if this happens very often.

So my questions to you:

1.) Is it normal that the guy has to come downstairs?

2.) Is it possible to communicate to the girl that discretion is important to me, or does that just create warning signals and the girl becomes even more paranoid?

I live in Poblado and I don't want to drive every time I want to fuck to Laureles.

3.) Is there a good chica-house in Poblado? Ideally one where I can choose from. I don't need (or like) Striptease bars and usually girls there are just overpriced. I'm just looking for a normal brothel within Poblado.[/QUOTE]1) I'm not sure if you speak Spanish. Tell the portero to send her up.

2) Never had a girl talk about money in public before unless of course if you are in a place like Mayorista.

3) The only one I know of is the overpriced Loutrons.

[QUOTE=BobbyDrake;1626320]I'm taking my first trip to Medellin next month and I have been able to connect with a few chicas on Facebook. My question is what's the best way to clarify the "arrangement" before hand? I'd prefer not to come right out and ask how much as to not offend the "non-pros" plus I'd love to secure a few non-pros for the future trips. That being said the last thing I want to do is have a chica come over. Bang her out. And then get into a fight because she's asking for some ridiculous amount. Any thoughts?[/QUOTE]If she is willing to go to your apartment before meeting you, she is most likely a pro. In which case, she will clarify the price before she comes over. On the odd chance that she doesn't, casually ask her what she wants to do over there. If she is still playing sly, just be blunt! Most non-pros will not want to go over immediately. After several dates maybe.

[QUOTE=LiveLarry;1626668]I just had a pretty weird experience. I ordered a girl, she arrived punctual and told the portero that I should come down. So I came down, standing lots of people in the entree and I didn't know which one she was. So I just phoned her, no answer. Then I asked the portero where she was and he pointed her out. I greeted her, she looked pretty hot, but also pretty dumb. She was very friendly, gave me some compliments about my looks and confirmed directly the price (150 k peso) in front of my portero and it looked like she wanted to get paid downstairs. I told her, we will do that at my place and we went upstairs to my apartment. Well, it turns out, she is really dumb and actually fucked pretty good.

Well, I have to admit I feel a little bit ashamed, especially because I know all of my porteros and because there are other people of my company in the building.

I would not order again a girl to my place if this happens very often.

So my questions to you:

1.) Is it normal that the guy has to come downstairs?

2.) Is it possible to communicate to the girl that discretion is important to me, or does that just create warning signals and the girl becomes even more paranoid?

I live in Poblado and I don't want to drive every time I want to fuck to Laureles.

3.) Is there a good chica-house in Poblado? Ideally one where I can choose from. I don't need (or like) Striptease bars and usually girls there are just overpriced. I'm just looking for a normal brothel within Poblado.[/QUOTE]I was like you before. Years ago, Latinamerica newbie in Buenos Aires.

Now I don't care since the paisas don't seem to care.

My portero is female and has opened the door to many of my females friends and prepagos.

She cleans my apartment every Saturday and well, she respect my privacy, she would never bring up anything, but I do it and then we comment on the looks and such of my friends "la gorda", "la tetona" etc. But it's 100% OK.

The same as there is a taxista in my building. I use him sometimes to bring me girls. I just call him and he drives to a place, for example San Diego, pick up a girl and brings her home to me.

I also have to go down and open up the door, since la portera not always is not present. And at night I have to help the girl / s open up the door. But, this is Colombia.

No problemo!

I have stopped care, since the paisas don't, why should I?

I live in a conservative Estrato 4-5 place in Laureles, sector La 70/ UPB.

If it goes there, it's goes everywhere!

A taxi man I asked about Iglesia Veraruz in El Centro said that the old one's are there, but young pretty one's are 24/7 3 blocks from ther at at place called RADUAL, every taxidriver knows where it is.

Raudal has young girls 18-35.

He said there are real pretty one's.

I think he knew what he talked about, as we discussed several placed often reviewed here of dfiffrent status from Loutron, Luna Lunera, 33, El Centro.

My point with this report is a follow-up to Foxhunter; Where can I find beautiful girls to an economical price?

Actually, this might been my last trip as a single, since my trip was aimed at Los Molinos, where I met a girl from Colombiancupid, and YES.

So I'm off, no more boring reports on economy etc, actually I send a message to Admin to move the 14 , of which mine where the 7 long ones , to the GI-thread. Sorry, I will not do it again.

I feel like. Hmmm. No more prepagos, no more porn? No more this and that! New situation completly, aimed for it a longer period, finally it gave resultz.

But this girl is sensitive, very liberal, but sensitive, so I have to dedicated myself to her!

Actually the same basics and looks as Miranda, Isabel etc; but not just looking for sex / money. Which I though in retrospect think is a good and natural trait since it brings so much pleasure to the world, what if they were like our Horses at home?, Medellin would loose it's mental coolness, which is based on female beauty and it's access to it, as the climate, the friendliness and all of that stuff that one takes for granted after having lived here a some months.

[QUOTE=MattPsyche;1626263]Perhaps are you talking about chicas punto com?[/QUOTE]Yep, you're right. I've just checked their "business-card". And I'm mistaken also about the floor both are located. Maybe I was confused because I took different stairs.

Well, checking the collection of "business cards" I got one afternoon in Centro, I noticed that there's a Casa de Fantasias, a Fantasias and a Solo Fantasias. So Jennifer and Pilar were resp. In Chicas Punto Com and Solo Fantasias in CC Boulevar de Caracas, CL 54 # 49-97 on the 2nd and 3rd floor.

[QUOTE=DashingDon;1626385]I took a salsa lesson at Santo Baile last week. It cost 65 K for one hour which is expensive but it was a great lesson. The teacher was a petite female who taught me rudimentary 'Cali style' salsa. There are several studios, all air conditioned and well maintained. There is also a studio called 'Free Salsa on 10 A and 40 or 41. This place is run by a gringo, Mark, and has group classes every night for only 8 K. They also give private lessons in LA style and I believe its much cheaper than Santo Baile.[/QUOTE]Dashing Don, I agree 65 K for one hour lesson at Santo Baile is a bit pricey for a dammed dance lesson. It is Colombia. Don't know why they are charging USA prices. I would pay that amount in Medellin only if includes massage and a sex session. In any case, thank you. Can you share the complete address of free salsa on 10 A and phone number? I tried to google it but nothing came up. That place owned by a Gringo seems a much better deal than Santo Baile. I will be staying in Medellin for 10 days and besides casa runs, chica activities, clubs, food, and drinking, I want to add dance lessons and gym activities.

[QUOTE=Cerebro;1627043]Dashing Don, I agree 65 K for one hour lesson at Santo Baile is a bit pricey for a dammed dance lesson. It is Colombia. Don't know why they are charging USA prices. I would pay that amount in Medellin only if includes massage and a sex session. In any case, thank you. Can you share the complete address of free salsa on 10 A and phone number? I tried to google it but nothing came up. That place owned by a Gringo seems a much better deal than Santo Baile. I will be staying in Medellin for 10 days and besides casa runs, chica activities, clubs, food, and drinking, I want to add dance lessons and gym activities.[/QUOTE]Dude,

Why on earth would a dance studio provide a massage and sex? Do you expect that from a restaurant that you might think is expensive? A doctor? The person you rent your apartment from? The gym you go to? Why do you equate everything in Medellin to sex and prepagos? I don't get it. Can you explain your line of thinking? Where are you from and what is your level of education?

[QUOTE=CJackSparrow;1626759]My point with this report is a follow-up to Foxhunter; Where can I find beautiful girls to an economical price?[/QUOTE]Don't waste your time in Medellin. If you like hunting, go to Mayorista, Veracrus iglesia and Raudal. I went there every day and every day things and girls can change.

I like a lot those places because I like hunting. Most of them are nasty and wild, so that I found some pearls with some difficulties because I walked so many kms.

I will post report within next day or two. I got home late last night. Although Medellin was not for me which I new it wouldn't be. I went for my buddy. I had a great time. Did no Casals but met plenty of gun girls in local bars. Will give detailed report. Serious party city. Could not believe the open drug use which I loved. Incredible!

My friend Carolina has been at Romancelatinas parties at their Penthouse at Parque Lleras.

Incredible beautiful babes, all of them.

Guys pay like 100-200.000 for entrance.

The girls get Victoria Secret underwear.

The best drinks are served by a professionall staff.

At the pool the babes mingle and you make a deal for the night for 400-500 k pesos.

In another part of the penthouse you can get to know these babes in a more personal way if you are interested in more than short term.

This is how Carolina described it.

She gave emphasis that all girls where very beautiful and siliconas and, even though herself a model, she was astouned by their beauty.

I thought; well, next trip I must go there, at least just to watch and / or find out if it's really that amazing.

Owners are not gringos or Europeans she says, they are form Middle East, India or something and speak Spanish with a very funny accent.

[QUOTE=CJackSparrow;1626759]A taxi man I asked about Iglesia Veraruz in El Centro said that the old one's are there, but young pretty one's are 24/7 3 blocks from ther at at place called RADUAL, every taxidriver knows where it is.

Raudal has young girls 18-35.

He said there are real pretty one's.

I think he knew what he talked about, as we discussed several placed often reviewed here of dfiffrent status from Loutron, Luna Lunera, 33, El Centro.

My point with this report is a follow-up to Foxhunter; Where can I find beautiful girls to an economical price?

Actually, this might been my last trip as a single, since my trip was aimed at Los Molinos, where I met a girl from Colombiancupid, and YES..[/QUOTE]Raudal is about as grimy and dangerous as it gets but some attractive girls can be found there (thankfully 18 + from what I have seen). In July this year two guys got into an altercation there and when they started to struggle a grenade was dropped to the floor. It went off killing a 23 year old woman and injuring many.

[QUOTE=CJackSparrow;1627346]My friend Carolina has been at Romancelatinas parties at their Penthouse at Parque Lleras.

Incredible beautiful babes, all of them.

Guys pay like 100-200.000 for entrance.

The girls get Victoria Secret underwear.

The best drinks are served by a professionall staff.

At the pool the babes mingle and you make a deal for the night for 400-500 k pesos.

In another part of the penthouse you can get to know these babes in a more personal way if you are interested in more than short term...[/QUOTE]Hmm, very interesting, how would one go about an invite? I assume Romancelatina membership, of course, but do they advertise these on the site? Never been a member, but would be worth signing up. Take-out price is a bit crazy, but would be worth one visit alone for the experience.

Oh yes many of them indeed do look like dammed good prepagos. When I made the comment, I meant it as a complement to Colombian beauty, not as something demeaning. The fact that those Medellin women look so good is the main reason I am going to Medellin. And by the way if you look at that teacher with that fine ass, tight.

Pants, the way she moves, and high heels, I still think looks like a dammed good prepago. Just look at the batacha dance teacher [URL]http://www.santobaile.com/clases/[/URL].

Oh yes and those hot Avianca girls and cashier girls at the supermarket look like dammed good prepagos. I just wish they all were, but I know they are not. I still think you should relax and with a fine Colombian prepago and get all that load off.

[QUOTE=NinoBravo;1627385]Oh, my kind sir, I am very relaxed. But you do seem to equate many "normal" things in Medellin to prostitution. In an earlier post you made this comment after viewing the video of the dance teacher at the dance studio in question: "I will check that place out and sign up for bachata dance if that's the teacher. She Looks like a dammed good prepago. " If what you just stated above is true, why did you think the dance instructor looked like a prepago? Do the check girls in the Exito supermarkets in Medellin look like "damned good prepagos"? Do the flight attendants on Avianca airlines look like damned good prepagos? I could go on and on. You have made multiple posts correlating this dance studio as a front for prostitution, so please don't deny it. Dance studios are very popular in Colombia. All Colombians don't grow up knowing how to dance well, and some want to learn better as a hobby and to enjoy the art. Are there dance studios in the DR that are fronts for prostitution? Please when you get to Medellin, don't make a fool of yourself and approach normal women assuming they are prepagos, especially those that might work as a dance instructor. Extranjeros are getting a bad enough name in Medellin. Don't ruin it for some who want to be looked at as classy foreigners. Keep your view of prepagos where they belong, in El Centro, Mayorista, the hundreds of casas. And keep it behind closed doors. Have fun, and yes, learn the culture, and that starts with respecting women, and not viewing every hot chica that moves as a "damned good prepago". Peace.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Cerebro;1627404]Oh yes many of them indeed do look like dammed good prepagos. When I made the comment, I meant it as a complement to Colombian beauty, not as something demeaning. The fact that those Medellin women look so good is the main reason I am going to Medellin. And by the way if you look at that teacher with that fine ass, tight.

Pants, the way she moves, and high heels, I still think looks like a dammed good prepago. Just look at the batacha dance teacher [URL]http://www.santobaile.com/clases/[/URL].

Oh yes and those hot Avianca girls and cashier girls at the supermarket look like dammed good prepagos. I just wish they all were, but I know they are not. I still think you should relax and with a fine Colombian prepago and get all that load off.[/QUOTE]They look hot and sexy like that because I doubt anyone would take dance lessons at that price from an ugly girl. LOL.

Tellall I concur. And tell me if I have a distorted perception and if all these dammed prepagos don't look so dammed good: [URL]http://www.catadordeprepagosmedellin.com/[/URL].

[QUOTE=TellAll;1627437]They look hot and sexy like that because I doubt anyone would take dance lessons at that price from an ugly girl. LOL.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=YouCan;1627281]I will post report within next day or two. I got home late last night. Although Medellin was not for me which I new it wouldn't be. I went for my buddy. I had a great time. Did no Casals but met plenty of gun girls in local bars. Will give detailed report. Serious party city. Could not believe the open drug use which I loved. Incredible![/QUOTE]Look forward to your report.

I will do my best to write this report. First off I never honestly wanted to go to Medellin. To me a get away includes a beach and sun. I am fortunate to get away every two months for short trips. (5 days or less is perfect for me) I went on this trip for my buddy who I travel with often. We are complete opposites but it works for us in some fucked up way. HE is always wanting sex and I could care less unless I actually like the person. HE just wants young thin and pretty. I want some type of actual I (I want to be with you) we both found what we wanted.

Airport ride to are el plobado apartment was about 45 minutes. Settled in and hit the streets. It was about 4 pm when we walked down to get some peso. First couple places I went wouldn't take my debit card? Hit a couple more and found one. Did two transactions each for 600,000 peso. 305.00 US per transaction. I thought that was good because next day we each cashed in 600.00 us each and exchange was 1930. Not as good. Anyway getting back we went to Mac got pesos and easily scored some good party materials. I was amazed how easy and quality of stuff. We are not young me 50 buddy over 60 but like to party hard.

Went home showered dressed did some shit made a couple martinis and headed out. Met two guys Us on way and they said be careful cause I had on necklace and bracelets. I went home took off a few things unloaded extra money and headed back out. These two guys made me feel like I should really be careful but after this night of being out I went back to wearing what I wanted. Never once felt like it was dangerous in poblado. No more then in philly or NYC.

We ate at small restaurant and my buddy met girl in parke lleras. His type flacca asked if I wanted her friend. I declined HE headed back to apartment. I found Havana bar on corner and ordered drink sat at table. This place was filled with couples dancing. Didn't take long for me to lock eyes with girl sitting a few tables away with a few other girls and two guys. She kept looking and I new she was interested. After another drink she headed to do something and was walking by me and I said Hello,. She was happy. Bought her drink spoke decent englisg (I found more people spoke ok English in Medellin then Cartagena hands down easily) settled on 150,000 peso two hours. Ended up staying all night. Total GFE kissing BBBJ great time. Little older but fun. When I got back buddy's street girl was already gone but HE said she gave good service but 1 hour and out. For 80,000 peso to me I didn't like her bony ass at all and she didn't like me from original meeting in park. To be continued.

[QUOTE=YouCan;1627618]I will do my best to write this report. First off I never honestly wanted to go to Medellin. To me a get away includes a beach and sun. I am fortunate to get away every two months for short trips. (5 days or less is perfect for me) I went on this trip for my buddy who I travel with often. We are complete opposites but it works for us in some fucked up way. HE is always wanting sex and I could care less unless I actually like the person. HE just wants young thin and pretty. I want some type of actual I (I want to be with you) we both found what we wanted.

Airport ride to are el plobado apartment was about 45 minutes. Settled in and hit the streets. It was about 4 pm when we walked down to get some peso. First couple places I went wouldn't take my debit card? Hit a couple more and found one. Did two transactions each for 600,000 peso. 305.00 US per transaction. I thought that was good because next day we each cashed in 600.00 us each and exchange was 1930. Not as good. Anyway getting back we went to Mac got pesos and easily scored some good party materials. I was amazed how easy and quality of stuff. We are not young me 50 buddy over 60 but like to party hard..[/QUOTE]Glad you're having fun. Yes, it is recommended that you don't wear jewelry. Although, El Poblado is the safest neighborhood, you don't want to make yourself the target of a mugging.

[QUOTE=Hioctane;1627642]Glad you're having fun. Yes, it is recommended that you don't wear jewelry. Although, El Poblado is the safest neighborhood, you don't want to make yourself the target of a mugging.[/QUOTE]Yeah, it feels safe until it doesn't. Poblado is indeed the safest area of MDE. It can lull you into thinking you're in a suburb in the USA But shit does happen. Especially, if you're drunk and wondering around Parque Lleras.

[QUOTE=Combo;1627802]Yeah, it feels safe until it doesn't. Poblado is indeed the safest area of MDE. It can lull you into thinking you're in a suburb in the USA But shit does happen. Especially, if you're drunk and wondering around Parque Lleras.[/QUOTE]I would not stay at Poblado at all because I is very far from the center town.

[QUOTE=Combo;1627802]Yeah, it feels safe until it doesn't. Poblado is indeed the safest area of MDE. It can lull you into thinking you're in a suburb in the USA But shit does happen. Especially, if you're drunk and wondering around Parque Lleras.[/QUOTE]I was walking around with a friend and she told me just for safety to take it off. Pablado is safe and I've walked around even at night with my stuff on and never had an issue. But don't be that unlucky one. El centro is the place you want to stay away at night and just be very careful in the day unless your in the main road. I tried to explore off the main street in the day. The scenery on some streets made me regret walking there, luckily I'm Hispanic and I sort of blend in unless I start talking. Nothing bad happened but just my experience.

[QUOTE=YouCan;1627618]
Went home showered dressed did some shit made a couple martinis and headed out. Met two guys Us on way and they said be careful cause I had on necklace and bracelets. I went home took off a few things unloaded extra money and headed back out. These two guys made me feel like I should really be careful but after this night of being out I went back to wearing what I wanted. Never once felt like it was dangerous in poblado. No more then in philly or NYC.[/QUOTE]You Can,

I know you have a lot of experience in Colombia but this is a bad idea, very bad. You may have felt safe but you weren't,trust me. Medellin is NOT Cartagena, wearing jewelry will make you a target and it is only a matter of time. My best friend in Colombia is in a hospital as I write this fighting for his life after being stabbed and robbed for 35 mil, a lousy $17. USD. ,and this was in Manizales considered one of the safest cities in all of Colombia.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1628124]You Can,

I know you have a lot of experience in Colombia but this is a bad idea, very bad. You may have felt safe but you weren't,trust me. Medellin is NOT Cartagena, wearing jewelry will make you a target and it is only a matter of time. My best friend in Colombia is in a hospital as I write this fighting for his life after being stabbed and robbed for 35 mil, a lousy $17. USD. ,and this was in Manizales considered one of the safest cities in all of Colombia.[/QUOTE]Do fill in the details please. I keep hearing how dangerous it is but hardly hear any real life details.

How old is your buddy? Where did it happen? Street, alley? Crowded area or? Was HE drinking. Why was HE stabbed? Did he resist for 17 bucks?

I was in Medellin last April and walked with a buddy in el centro mid afternoon. Tons of people and we kept to the busy streets. Had one beer in a small crowded bar. Felt completely safe, but my buddy insisted at a fast walk wherever we went. I get the "walk with a purpose", but I sometimes think some take it to extreme.

Another night we are sitting at a sidewalk table in Mayorista. Big drunk Colombia gets in my face and starts blabbing. I don't understand Spanish and I try to politely tell him that. He motions a slashing sign to his throat and stumbles away. For all I know HE was telling me the place was dangerous for gringo's. Cops were patrolling 1/2 block away.

Last, walking with group of 6-7 big Gringo's in strip club area 10 pm Busy area, but I was wondering in my head if I would be safe here alone? I like seedy places but use common sense.

What to ex-pats due late at night? Stay home?

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1628124]You Can,

I know you have a lot of experience in Colombia but this is a bad idea, very bad. You may have felt safe but you weren't,trust me. Medellin is NOT Cartagena, wearing jewelry will make you a target and it is only a matter of time. My best friend in Colombia is in a hospital as I write this fighting for his life after being stabbed and robbed for 35 mil, a lousy $17. USD. ,and this was in Manizales considered one of the safest cities in all of Colombia.[/QUOTE]Yes I can tell you it not a good idea to wear jewelry. I was held at gun point in front of the old mansion back a few years ago over a small gold chain. I never took it off not thinking and went over to the mall to exchange some money. Walking back to the mansion they pulled up the hill on a motorcycle and stuck a gun to my head over it at the front door of the old mansion. Things that are only worth a few hundred dollars are not worth your life.

On my last trip to BA Argentina about 4-5 months ago it was lightly raining. I was in the obilisk area- bad area. Looking for a cab. Probably 9 pm. No cab in sight so to get out of the rain I steped back under a overhang. Wham a guy runs by me from behind and relieves me of my watch. OK this was my travel watch at least 40 year old timex. Not worth much I only use it when traveling just for this reason. The watch had a flexible wrist band. If it had a strap that buckled I don't think HE would of tried to steal it. Lesson learned. I'm a big enough guy but I didn't chase him. I used common sence that I didn't have just a few years ago. I chuckled to myself as HE ran across the rain swelled street and stepped into a water filled hole over his ankle. Years ago my xxwife gave me a nice diamond ring a little over a half carrot. On a trip to Palermo Italy I noticed a fella looking at my hand. Now I leave all jewelry at home. This rough looking thug looked the type that wouldn't take the time to take this 1500 dollar ring off my finger HE could of cut of the finger. Leave your jewlrey at home why take the chance.

[QUOTE=Ricker;1628026]Whatever guys.

Don't understand the big fuss.

If a woman is beautiful or cute or sexy, etc regardless if she's a Colombiana, a gringa, whatever, guys are going to look at them and yes, maybe even daydream a bit about her.

That's just natural.

As long as you're cool in your actions and don't act like a fool and disrespect, no problem.

I don't understand the big deal.[/QUOTE]So Ricker, when you notice a beautiful woman, no matter where, Colombia, Brazil, USA. You say to yourself, or nudge the guy next to you and say "that's a damn good prepago".

Ok then Ricker, whatever. LOL. If YOU say so, then I guess its normal.

[QUOTE=Beach1708;1628141]Yes I can tell you it not a good idea to wear jewelry. I was held at gun point in front of the old mansion back a few years ago over a small gold chain. I never took it off not thinking and went over to the mall to exchange some money. Walking back to the mansion they pulled up the hill on a motorcycle and stuck a gun to my head over it at the front door of the old mansion. Things that are only worth a few hundred dollars are not worth your life.[/QUOTE]This has happened plenty of times in Poblado and a few times within walking distance of the Mansion. The banditos know where the money is and where the easy targets are. That's why I say Poblado can lull you into a false sense of security. When you walk around Centro after sundown, it feels creepy and you act accordingly, you're on guard. But Poblado is a wealthy neighborhood and you don't expect shit to happen. Best not to wear jewelry and not to carry large amounts of cash more than necessary.

[QUOTE=Combo;1628302]This has happened plenty of times in Poblado and a few times within walking distance of the Mansion. The banditos know where the money is and where the easy targets are. That's why I say Poblado can lull you into a false sense of security. When you walk around Centro after sundown, it feels creepy and you act accordingly, you're on guard. But Poblado is a wealthy neighborhood and you don't expect shit to happen. Best not to wear jewelry and not to carry large amounts of cash more than necessary.[/QUOTE]The fact is, you NEVER know when or where it will happen in Latin America. Safe area, not safe it doesn't matter. 10 years ago I got mugged 50 ft from the Del Rey. Being stupid, had a few drinks and left the DR with a girl at 2 am walking to my room less then 50 Yds away in the Morazan. Not remembering to take off a small gold chain & tiny cross. 2 street kids ran up behind me and grabbed the chain off the back of my neck. I turned to run after them and bumped into 2 big guys blocking the sidewalk, they were part of the mugging. Another time I was waiting for my taxi guy to unload my bags, on the sidewalk 5 ft. From the front of my apartment on Ave Atlantica in Rio. I took out a $20 bill to pay him and in a flash a thief on a bike flew by me and tried to grab the 20 out of my hand. HE didn't get it but I never saw it coming, HE was gone in a flash. It's sad and a terrible way to live but it is a fact in Latin America. The people who live there understand this and always protect themselves. Countless times I have witnessed the prepago take the money I gave her and put in in her boot or panties before going downstairs to board the taxi. So always expect the unexpected!

[quote=ricker;1628026]whatever guys.

don't understand the big fuss.

if a woman is beautiful or cute or sexy, etc regardless if she's a colombiana, a gringa, whatever, guys are going to look at them and yes, maybe even daydream a bit about her.

that's just natural.

as long as you're cool in your actions and don't act like a fool and disrespect, no problem.

i don't understand the big deal.[/quote]


[quote=ninobravo;1628276]so ricker, when you notice a beautiful woman, no matter where, colombia, brazil, usa. you say to yourself, or nudge the guy next to you and say "that's a damn good prepago".

ok then ricker, whatever. lol. if you say so, then i guess its normal.[/quote]

lol, that's funny.
don't know how you came up with that from my post.

i never use the term "prepago", except maybe when writing on this forum.

as to your above example, i would just think or say to a friend, "that's a damn good looking woman", or something like that.

i don't naturally assume every beautiful woman is a hooker, lol.

i doubt anyone really does.

relax man, this is a just an internet guide on finding pfp all over the world.

doesn't mean we're all running around treating all women like hookers, even if a guy may use a figure of speech while bsing on this forum.

[QUOTE=Combo;1628302]This has happened plenty of times in Poblado and a few times within walking distance of the Mansion. The banditos know where the money is and where the easy targets are. That's why I say Poblado can lull you into a false sense of security. When you walk around Centro after sundown, it feels creepy and you act accordingly, you're on guard. But Poblado is a wealthy neighborhood and you don't expect shit to happen. Best not to wear jewelry and not to carry large amounts of cash more than necessary.[/QUOTE]Great point.

The bad shit that has happened to me, has always been when I've been off guard and not expecting it, and not when I've been on Defcon 1, like at night in el Centro, LOL.

[QUOTE=Jet69;1628131]Do fill in the details please. I keep hearing how dangerous it is but hardly hear any real life details.

How old is your buddy? Where did it happen? Street, alley? Crowded area or? Was HE drinking. Why was HE stabbed? Did he resist for 17 bucks?

I was in Medellin last April and walked with a buddy in el centro mid afternoon. Tons of people and we kept to the busy streets. Had one beer in a small crowded bar. Felt completely safe, but my buddy insisted at a fast walk wherever we went. I get the "walk with a purpose", but I sometimes think some take it to extreme.

Another night we are sitting at a sidewalk table in Mayorista. Big drunk Colombia gets in my face and starts blabbing. I don't understand Spanish and I try to politely tell him that. He motions a slashing sign to his throat and stumbles away. For all I know HE was telling me the place was dangerous for gringo's. Cops were patrolling 1/2 block away.

Last, walking with group of 6-7 big Gringo's in strip club area 10 pm Busy area, but I was wondering in my head if I would be safe here alone? I like seedy places but use common sense.

What to ex-pats due late at night? Stay home?[/QUOTE]HE is my daughters uncle,35 year old Colombiano and owns a mango stand in el centro, Manizales. HE had just closed the stand down at 5 o'clock when a guy walked up to him with what was described only as a huge knife. HE resisted and the guy plunged the knife into his back missing his heart by a half an inch according to the doctors that worked on him, HE is in intensive care still. The first thing that comes to one's mind is why would anyone resist for 35 mil? Well that is a lot of money to a Colombian trying to feed his wife and two kids, I know the entire family very well obviously as I am part of it and I can tell you that they are very poor. If and when it happens to me I will quickly give up the goods. His brother has also been stabbed during a robbery and his other brother has been shot. Every member of the family has been robbed at some point, Colombia is not Disneyland regardless of whether or not it has never happened to you or you only hang out in Gringo land in Medellin.

I am in the middle of a short but fantastic trip. I tip my hat to [B]Dealdo[/B], a senior poster on this forum for giving me great tips. I am quite experienced with MDE but I feel like I learn something new (and from each other) every time and MY experiences only are getting better. This is not majority opinion as there are folks that feel otherwise and think MDE is going down. I am not going to argue.

This trip I did with another buddy and some of the girls I describe went with my buddy but we share an apartment and the info should be accurate. The type of girls I prefer are lean, athletic bodies, preferably no silicone and they need to be classy. More of a Colombian girl next doors, which is not easy to find. I don't throw money, always look for a value but do not nickel and dime for a few bucks. I bring gifts (such as perfumes and lingerie) for girls I know and if I plan on seeing them again.

I made arrangements for [B]Aleja[/B] and [B]Melissa[/B] to meet us in our apartment at 9 PM and they were there promptly. Coming from airport, I barely had time to shower. It is a great feeling to be greeted by two beautiful girls. [B]Aleja[/B], who I wrote about before has a killer natural body. If your are into tight bodied 20 yr olds, it is hard to find someone better. I do find her a bit cold this time and not as passionate as I would like. I wish she would pretend like others do, that they give a crap about my amorous feelings. She is a great fuck if you are into a high energy session but if you want a slow romantic one, you may want to pass. [B]Melissa[/B] on the other hand is smooth, also killer body, knows a bit of english and she gets into it. I would highly recommend her but with the caveat that she does not kiss. When asked about kissing, she showed me the other lips :-)

They left at 10:30 and by midnight we were at fase II for more debauchery and what a night it was. More. On it when I find time.

[QUOTE=Vitrea;1628433]I am in the middle of a short but fantastic trip. I tip my hat to [B]Dealdo[/B], a senior poster on this forum for giving me great tips. I am quite experienced with MDE but I feel like I learn something new (and from each other) every time and MY experiences only are getting better. This is not majority opinion as there are folks that feel otherwise and think MDE is going down. I am not going to argue.

This trip I did with another buddy and some of the girls I describe went with my buddy but we share an apartment and the info should be accurate. The type of girls I prefer are lean, athletic bodies, preferably no silicone and they need to be classy. More of a Colombian girl next doors, which is not easy to find. I don't throw money, always look for a value but do not nickel and dime for a few bucks. I bring gifts (such as perfumes and lingerie) for girls I know and if I plan on seeing them again.

I made arrangements for [B]Aleja[/B] and [B]Melissa[/B] to meet us in our apartment at 9 PM and they were there promptly. Coming from airport, I barely had time to shower. It is a great feeling to be greeted by two beautiful girls. [B]Aleja[/B], who I wrote about before has a killer natural body. If your are into tight bodied 20 yr olds, it is hard to find someone better. I do find her a bit cold this time and not as passionate as I would like. I wish she would pretend like others do, that they give a crap about my amorous feelings. She is a great fuck if you are into a high energy session but if you want a slow romantic one, you may want to pass. [B]Melissa[/B] on the other hand is smooth, also killer body, knows a bit of english and she gets into it. I would highly recommend her but with the caveat that she does not kiss. When asked about kissing, she showed me the other lips :-)

They left at 10:30 and by midnight we were at fase II for more debauchery and what a night it was. More. On it when I find time.[/QUOTE]Hey,

An actually trip report. Gracias amigo! Nice quick read. Too quick! How was the line up at Fase2? Aleja Girlado? Sounds like the girl you're talking about. Milissa. Last names please or better yet you can PM me some contact info por favor! Hahahha.

Thanks again for the report instead of some insane off topic rants.

[QUOTE=Vitrea;1628433]I am in the middle of a short but fantastic trip. I tip my hat to [B]Dealdo[/B], a senior poster on this forum for giving me great tips. I am quite experienced with MDE but I feel like I learn something new (and from each other) every time and MY experiences only are getting better. This is not majority opinion as there are folks that feel otherwise and think MDE is going down. I am not going to argue.

This trip I did with another buddy and some of the girls I describe went with my buddy but we share an apartment and the info should be accurate. The type of girls I prefer are lean, athletic bodies, preferably no silicone and they need to be classy. More of a Colombian girl next doors, which is not easy to find. I don't throw money, always look for a value but do not nickel and dime for a few bucks. I bring gifts (such as perfumes and lingerie) for girls I know and if I plan on seeing them again.

I made arrangements for [B]Aleja[/B] and [B]Melissa[/B] to meet us in our apartment at 9 PM and they were there promptly. Coming from airport, I barely had time to shower. It is a great feeling to be greeted by two beautiful girls. [B]Aleja[/B], who I wrote about before has a killer natural body. If your are into tight bodied 20 yr olds, it is hard to find someone better. I do find her a bit cold this time and not as passionate as I would like. I wish she would pretend like others do, that they give a crap about my amorous feelings. She is a great fuck if you are into a high energy session but if you want a slow romantic one, you may want to pass. [B]Melissa[/B] on the other hand is smooth, also killer body, knows a bit of english and she gets into it. I would highly recommend her but with the caveat that she does not kiss. When asked about kissing, she showed me the other lips :-)

They left at 10:30 and by midnight we were at fase II for more debauchery and what a night it was. More. On it when I find time.[/QUOTE]I'm glad you liked her bro. Yeah Melissa is gorgeous and classy. Kind of tender looking which I like a lot. No kisses ha? I didn't know that wasn't in the menu. Problem with girls that hot is the inconsistency. Too bad she is not public yet. There are so many bad experiences with some board dudes that she doesn't want to risk it, she plays the family girl big time. Aleja in another hand she is, but she is going now into a BF period and her service goes from regular to terrible, this is base on numerous new reports. And NO she is not Giraldo, she is Suarez. Well known by many here.

[QUOTE=BayBoy;1580904]Speaking of restaurants, I've seen a lot of mongers who don't even look at a restaurant bill and see that the gratuity has already been put on the bill. Which is usually 10%. They just throw on a tip to whatever the amount is and don't realize they've already been charged.[/QUOTE]I see this 10% as all going to the management then them disbursing the propina as they see fit. A good company will give all or most of the tip to the worker but we all know how many will siphon off the most they can. Happens even in USA So I don; t like to give a whole nother 10% but of service good and with a smile I give them 5% cash under extra direct to the mesero / a.

And thanks so much for all your I believe post on the DR over there. Is a good place also.

The line up was not bad. The sad part about Fase 2 for me, only this month is that the grill is closed for renovations for few weeks. I like the food there and the mamsita that cooks and serves is very sweet.

My regulars were there. Judy, Stephanie and Catalina etc. I wanted to try someone new. I liked [B]Christina[/B]. Great body and very friendly attitude. She is a kisser and had a little bit of party supplies. She was great in the room. Totally relaxed and not a clock watcher. The bell rang at 45 minutes and we were in the room for another 10 minutes. Needless to say she deserved a propina. My buddy took another tall and shapely girl to the room. HE was very happy but I don't remember the name.

We stopped by at Lula Luneres, but the only reason we must have did that was because we were drunk. In that state any one should look beautiful but the talent there at 2 am is almost non existent.

[QUOTE=TweedleD;1622283][URL]www.colombiajake.com[/URL] not hard at all USA 727-498-1680.[/QUOTE]Chris the pilot who finished his Spanish level 1 and 2 at Eafit during the month HE was here finished his last class and is heading home tomorrow. Met some really fun people in his class and spent a lot of time hanging with them and doing several tours to cool place coffee farms and repelling down a waterfall. Told me it was his best vacation ever, did some casas but also had a few civilian older chicas that didn't want cash. Jorge arrived today and wants three nights of dates so that's what HE's got for Saturday night on out. Jim arrives tomorrow for three nights and threw me big cash and said lets roll with it tours, chicas the works! I'm booked until the 20th so look me up for Halloween and the rest of the year!

Thanks,

Jake

[QUOTE=CJackSparrow;1615919]I attacked on Cupid sites / I got expelled / offering hundreds of the most attractive one's 100.000 COP / day for one month, 3 M COP. $US 53/ day and $US 1600/ month.

Before I got expelled I got 44 positive answers. 44 negative one's, and many asking Why?

I simply don't have time for the whole process. It takes it's time to hunt a beauty down.

It is the third time I try a "money approach" on Cupid. I mention money and the girls are like flies all over me! If I send a romantic letter, who cares?!

100.000 COP don't buy you much normally. But with the 1 month deal, it will be 3 M COP, 5 times a minimum salary and 3 times more than a normal salary.

For doing very little. But just the service I really need. Without spending more time searching, flirting, waiting, transport etc etc. It's a day's project having sex with a new girl. That time must be used efficiently in the long run. After a while, after some trips, it's not exciting anymore meeting new girls, which practically are the same, but marriage isn't an option either...[/QUOTE]LOL many times see-Jack! I really do like the "calculus" of your logic. Can this be nominated for a thread of distinction?

[QUOTE=CocrBrotheler;1628534]I see this 10% as all going to the management then them disbursing the propina as they see fit. A good company will give all or most of the tip to the worker but we all know how many will siphon off the most they can. Happens even in USA So I don; t like to give a whole nother 10% but of service good and with a smile I give them 5% cash under extra direct to the mesero / a.

And thanks so much for all your I believe post on the DR over there. Is a good place also.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the compliment Cocr Brotheler, but I haven't been to the Dominican Rep. In 13 years, you probably have me confused with someone else.

Anyone been to Hotel Central Plaza, Carrera 50ª # 81 A - 15 ItagüI. Antioquia - Colombia? Any reviews about the hotel and its location in Itaqui? Is this hotel chica friendly?

Arguably one of the best casas in town and for me a great value. IMHO, Lutron is very expensive for the quality and I stopped going to centro casas long time ago due to inconsistent quality and generally poor ambiance.

[B]Lina[/B] is a stunner by every definition. I give her a 9. She is 25, no children. She oozes femininity. She would be a 10 if her breasts were natural and slightly better teeth. If she came from a stata where her family could afford an orthodontist when she was a teenager, she could have been a model. :-). She is friendly, relaxed, kisser (but she had bit of a cold so I took it easy) and a fantastic performer. I would highly recommend her for those of you that graduated out of banging girls and are into beautiful women.

I went with another girl that is even more beautiful than Lina. She is leaner, natural breasts and has nice teeth but she was a bit cold in the room. She went though the whole works but not as passionate. I will post if I remember her name.

I enjoy good food and I love to share when it is very good. [B]Restaurant Carmen[/B] in Poblado is a huge hit. As a general area, It is near hotel Diez. The ambiance, service and food is top notch. The tapas are excellent. The wine selection is also good. It is not cheap but not unaffordable either. Price range is similar to [B]Woka[/B], which I like for the lounge atmosphere.

The[B] Spanish restaurant[/B] on the 1st floor of Rio Sur mall (last one on the right as you walk into the mall from Avenida Poblado side) has the best Oxtail preparation I ever had. I liked it so much, I ordered another one. They advertise their Paella but that was not very good and I know my Paella Their Iberico ham with cheese was as good as the ones you get in Iberia.

For a great budget eat, try the little hole in the wall [B]taco place[/B] next to the Interdollar Cambio in Parque Ileras. Excellent.

For those wondering why I split my reports: I write them on the go and sometimes even on the phone and I do not like writing long reports when my connection is not as reliable. Also, I split my reports loosely based on topic so as to avoid rants.

La Isla changed names to [B]"The Girls"[/B] club. I think it might even have a new owner but the staff are all almost the same. Undoubtedly the top club now in MDE in terms of ambience, music and most importantly the number and quality. Thursday and Friday night, I had a hard time picking a girl because there were too many. Saturday for some reason was lot quieter though we still managed to pull two girls out. [B]Sara[/B] and [B]Deisy[/B] are beautiful all natural, girl next door types. [B]Andrea[/B], the tall one with braces is a firecracker with energy and this is my second time with her. There is another [B]Andrea[/B] (her club name) is my favourite. Beautiful face, sweet smile, great body. She is just a pure class act. I would have spent my next three days with her, if she was available. I took her out on Thursday but never saw her again. My buddy took her sister, [B]Julieta[/B] out and we had a great time (real sisters). In fact, he liked her so much that she came over one afternoon and spent two hours with him for half the price. [B]Natalie[/B], silicone tits, great body, almost always dances with another girl and even does some lesbian shows was great in the room. She surprised me. In the past, I have always said no to her advances thinking she is a hustler. She proved me wrong. Once my 50 minutes was up, as I was putting my shoes on, I casually mentioned to her that I just gave the last of my cash to her as tip and I need to go back to my apartment to get money to pay the taxi, she offered to give me tip money back!? How sweet can this country get? (BTW, She is the only one I ever did at the La Isla club. All the above are TLNs).

Price: TLN: 180 K multa and girls negotiate prices and length of stay. Onsite is 250 K for 50 minutes and this went up dramatically from 6 months ago, when it was 180K for 40 minutes.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1628385]HE is my daughters uncle,35 year old Colombiano and owns a mango stand in el centro, Manizales. HE had just closed the stand down at 5 o'clock when a guy walked up to him with what was described only as a huge knife. HE resisted and the guy plunged the knife into his back missing his heart by a half an inch according to the doctors that worked on him, HE is in intensive care still. The first thing that comes to one's mind is why would anyone resist for 35 mil? Well that is a lot of money to a Colombian trying to feed his wife and two kids, I know the entire family very well obviously as I am part of it and I can tell you that they are very poor. If and when it happens to me I will quickly give up the goods. His brother has also been stabbed during a robbery and his other brother has been shot. Every member of the family has been robbed at some point, Colombia is not Disneyland regardless of whether or not it has never happened to you or you only hang out in Gringo land in Medellin.[/QUOTE]You know its good to see someone post it like it is. I have lived here for 10 years and see the news on a daily basis and its not Disneyland as you say. I lost a friend 2 years back after he withdrew from the bank and was ratted out by the guard. He walked about a half block before he was robbed,he resisted and took 2 bullets in the back. DOA,What the hell was he thinking,Colombian by birth and lived here his whole life, well what he got of it. Short story, don't resist it,give the money with a smile and pray its enough for them to run away like the chicken shits they are,just my 2 cents,Chipper.

Can anyone give me the rates at the Mansion up to date,and a contact web addy or a phone contact to reserve a room,and haven't seen a decent report on anyone who has stayed the as of late,thanks to all who serve.

Chipper

Jim,

Arrived super nice guy who loves sports and opened my eyes to the best of both worlds! After a few beers while watching the Red Zone together he informed me he also has a room at the mansion for the week but he thought it would be fun to experience both places because were only 3 blocks apart and there is a different set of girls over here plus helping out a fellow monger brother! Its all about making your vacation the best it can be and if you have the little bit of extra bread, book both places and take it to the next level. Jim had Carolina a thin big personality cutie with the ability to make you laugh and they both left together Jim going back to the Mansion and Carolina heading back up the mountain happy just like Jim!

It's coming!

[QUOTE=Hotrod10;1628181]On my last trip to BA Argentina about 4-5 months ago it was lightly raining. I was in the obilisk area- bad area. Looking for a cab. Probably 9 pm. No cab in sight so to get out of the rain I steped back under a overhang. Wham a guy runs by me from behind and relieves me of my watch. OK this was my travel watch at least 40 year old timex. Not worth much I only use it when traveling just for this reason. The watch had a flexible wrist band. If it had a strap that buckled I don't think HE would of tried to steal it. Lesson learned. I'm a big enough guy but I didn't chase him. I used common sence that I didn't have just a few years ago. I chuckled to myself as HE ran across the rain swelled street and stepped into a water filled hole over his ankle. Years ago my xxwife gave me a nice diamond ring a little over a half carrot. On a trip to Palermo Italy I noticed a fella looking at my hand. Now I leave all jewelry at home. This rough looking thug looked the type that wouldn't take the time to take this 1500 dollar ring off my finger HE could of cut of the finger. Leave your jewlrey at home why take the chance.[/QUOTE]BsAs and other touristy areas can very quickly lull you into false sense of security. Prior to a 3 wk. Trip to AR in 2006 was warned by family and friends the dangers of BsAs. A family friend was riding in a taxi in BsAs with window down and robber slashed them good for a purse. My 2nd night BsAs after coming back from dinner and evening stroll the landscape in a normal safe area in the day dramatically altered. In the short span of just a couple blocks along one of the main streets I started seeing all these younger street urchins fishing through trash bags just looking for something to eat. I felt completely compassionate for them but ain't stopping to give them some money or help them find some goodies within the trash. So I just keep briskly walking by them as fast I can as mentioned here in previous post. Shortly after I passed a group of 4 I got the sixth sense and sure enough one of the motherfuckers tailing me close catching up very quickly. Fortunately and out of very good planning I knew the lay of the land and the safe "waypoints". Whether they would of helped or not at least I knew where 10+ cops in orange vests were patrolling and quickly rounded the corner to at least get me into plain site of them and much better lighting. The malicious urchin quickly turned tail but if not I had good quick pocket knife and strength to combat him if last resort required it.

I plead for you to at least check an area out during the day 1st if you plan on going there during the night. Then even if it looked safe in the day you know the lay of the land. And if it looked bad in the day why even go back at night? One trip to MDE I had to visit this large 5 story indoor flea market near Botero / Centro somewhere. I went at 1030 AM and even though mercado safe with security getting to it the two blocks was like walking thru war zone with glued out zombies and rough conditions. Just please the all of yous common sense which I know most of you do.

"Stay safe, thirsty and horny my friends".

[QUOTE=Jchipper;1629505]Can anyone give me the rates at the Mansion up to date,and a contact web addy or a phone contact to reserve a room,and haven't seen a decent report on anyone who has stayed the as of late,thanks to all who serve.

Chipper[/QUOTE]Rates, email and phone numbers are published on the website and the site comes up on google even if you use a variety of combination of words.

[QUOTE=Vitrea;1629405]For those wondering why I split my reports: I write them on the go and sometimes even on the phone and I do not like writing long reports when my connection is not as reliable. Also, I split my reports loosely based on topic so as to avoid rants.

La Isla changed names to [B]"The Girls"[/B] club. I think it might even have a new owner but the staff are all almost the same. Undoubtedly the top club now in MDE in terms of ambience, music and most importantly the number and quality. Thursday and Friday night, I had a hard time picking a girl because there were too many. Saturday for some reason was lot quieter though we still managed to pull two girls out. [B]Sara[/B] and [B]Deisy[/B] are beautiful all natural, girl next door types. [B]Andrea[/B], the tall one with braces is a firecracker with energy and this is my second time with her. There is another [B]Andrea[/B] (her club name) is my favourite. Beautiful face, sweet smile, great body. She is just a pure class act. I would have spent my next three days with her, if she was available. I took her out on Thursday but never saw her again. My buddy took her sister, [B]Julieta[/B] out and we had a great time (real sisters). In fact, he liked her so much that she came over one afternoon and spent two hours with him for half the price..[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report. I recently took some friends to The Girls / La Isla, it was the first time I'd been in probably 4-5 years. I noticed the exorbitant pricing for everything (liquor and girls) too. 250 K-300 K for 40-50 min sessions. $25 vodka and soda. It was reminiscent of Las Vegas. I saw a lot of familiar faces there. Girls who had worked at San Diego and the Centro Strip Clubs, independents based out of Bello. In short girls that could have been had for 100 K or less on so many occasions (and I mean literally the same girls). I am glad you enjoyed it but personally I would never go back there. We also had a minor misunderstanding over the bill and the manager was a real asshole about it.

[QUOTE=ColombiaJake;1629526]Jim,

Arrived super nice guy who loves sports and opened my eyes to the best of both worlds! After a few beers while watching the Red Zone together he informed me he also has a room at the mansion for the week but he thought it would be fun to experience both places because were only 3 blocks apart and there is a different set of girls over here plus helping out a fellow monger brother! Its all about making your vacation the best it can be and if you have the little bit of extra bread, book both places and take it to the next level. Jim had Carolina a thin big personality cutie with the ability to make you laugh and they both left together Jim going back to the Mansion and Carolina heading back up the mountain happy just like Jim![/QUOTE]


I wouldn't mind if Jim gave an honest trip report about his time in Meddy but I do mind the Jake commercials.

You're doing damage to your business by imposing these cheesy commercials on guys in the Medellin REPORTS thread.

It's inconsiderate and classless to post blatant commercials about your operations here.

This forum is for Medellin trip reports and not your commercials about, you and your customer ejoying a beer while watching the Red Zone in the Jake pad (just 3 blocks from the Mansion). It's getting to be too much.

Please get your own (Jake) thread and post all the info you want. I would respect that.

[QUOTE=Socker;1629823]I wouldn't mind if Jim gave an honest trip report about his time in Meddy but I do mind the Jake commercials.

You're doing damage to your business by imposing these cheesy commercials on guys in the Medellin REPORTS thread.

It's inconsiderate and classless to post blatant commercials about your operations here.

This forum is for Medellin trip reports and not your commercials about, you and your customer ejoying a beer while watching the Red Zone in the Jake pad (just 3 blocks from the Mansion). It's getting to be too much.

Please get your own (Jake) thread and post all the info you want. I would respect that.[/QUOTE]I second that.

[QUOTE=Socker;1629823]I wouldn't mind if Jim gave an honest trip report about his time in Meddy but I do mind the Jake commercials.

You're doing damage to your business by imposing these cheesy commercials on guys in the Medellin REPORTS thread.

It's inconsiderate and classless to post blatant commercials about your operations here.

This forum is for Medellin trip reports and not your commercials about, you and your customer ejoying a beer while watching the Red Zone in the Jake pad (just 3 blocks from the Mansion). It's getting to be too much.

Please get your own (Jake) thread and post all the info you want. I would respect that.[/QUOTE]Has there actually been a trip report written by one of Jake's "satisfied customers"? I can't recall ever seeing one.

This begs the question, just how good is the service if no one ever writes a report about it.

[QUOTE=Socker;1629823]Please get your own (Jake) thread and post all the info you want. I would respect that.[/QUOTE]He does but he chooses not to post in it.

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[QUOTE=HoraleGuey;1629779]Thanks for the report. I recently took some friends to The Girls / La Isla, it was the first time I'd been in probably 4-5 years. I noticed the exorbitant pricing for everything (liquor and girls) too. 250 K-300 K for 40-50 min sessions. $25 vodka and soda. It was reminiscent of Las Vegas. I saw a lot of familiar faces there. Girls who had worked at San Diego and the Centro Strip Clubs, independents based out of Bello. In short girls that could have been had for 100 K or less on so many occasions (and I mean literally the same girls). I am glad you enjoyed it but personally I would never go back there. We also had a minor misunderstanding over the bill and the manager was a real asshole about it.[/QUOTE]Excellent point. These clubs are not budget and I am surprised that they are doing as well at these prices. I am glad they are available though. You saw me report that the same girls came over next day and spent over two hours for half the price. I like these clubs because of the ambiance and most importantly the guarantee.

Personally, I choose a girl only if she is beautiful (a 9) or a super friendly 8. Totally agree that I would not pay for a 6 or 7.

Also, I have countless encounters with 100 to 150 K freelancers and the worst part about them is that they are not reliable. At each trip, my time in MDE is short (5-7 days). I don't mind taking chances in the afternoon but I hate doing that at night.

Some people are concerned about the prices in MDE and they are correct. The prices are going up but so is the availability of high quality. The first time I was in MDE 4 years ago, I could not dream of being all night with a blonde, hazel eyed, flawless, all natural top shelf paisa. I don't know if they were not available or if I did not have the connections them but this time I can honestly say that I did a stunner every night for four nights. Some were expensive and some were reasonable. My guess is that we are seeing higher quality because there is more money to be made. I am not here to argue but I am just happy they were available.

The best part of MDE is that there are friendly and willing girls for all budgets.

Ok so after the first night which was fun. We settled in. We stayed in a place called cool pent house apartment. In was 1/2 block from parke poblado. 5th floor no elevator. But that was fine for us. Elevator would hav been nice!! 800.00 us total for about 5 nights 6 days. It was 3 bedroom but we only used two.

My buddy talked to every American HE saw. In my opinion most of them were weird. Bordering on pedephiles. I personally like a woman. I don't care about a "10" guys wander why they don't have a good session? Not hard to figure it out!! I had a great time with the women I met.

2nd night had same woman. Met her again at Havana club as I asked her to meet me there! We had a great time.

In all this time I had been working on a waitress at ny beer club? Forget name but it was right there at parke lleras.

Great girl. Had her last 3 nights. When she would get done work I was waiting fantastic.

Could not believe how kids get all fucked up and sit in middle of sidewalk? Wtf?

Leaving for Sosua nov5!

[QUOTE=Vitrea;1630040]Excellent point. These clubs are not budget and I am surprised that they are doing as well at these prices. I am glad they are available though. You saw me report that the same girls came over next day and spent over two hours for half the price. I like these clubs because of the ambiance and most importantly the guarantee.

Personally, I choose a girl only if she is beautiful (a 9) or a super friendly 8. Totally agree that I would not pay for a 6 or 7.

Also, I have countless encounters with 100 to 150 K freelancers and the worst part about them is that they are not reliable. At each trip, my time in MDE is short (5-7 days). I don't mind taking chances in the afternoon but I hate doing that at night.[/QUOTE]That was my M. O. In la Isla. Get their # and have them come over the next day. They were very happy with 150 k and stayed a couple hours in my comfortable apartment instead of having to finish up in limited time in the club. Unless you've got to have them right then and there, it doesn't make sense to shell out that much cash.

[QUOTE=Combo;1630094]That was my M. O. In la Isla. Get their # and have them come over the next day. They were very happy with 150 k and stayed a couple hours in my comfortable apartment instead of having to finish up in limited time in the club. Unless you've got to have them right then and there, it doesn't make sense to shell out that much cash.[/QUOTE]There is a slight variation between our M. O. I don't think I am charming enough to get their phone number the night before and have them come over the next day. It never worked for me. I used to try this. I would buy them a drink, explain to them that I am too tired or already been with another girl (all could be true) and take their phone number with promises that we will meet up the next afternoon and they almost never showed up. On the other hand, If I take them to the room or take them out the night before then the odds are very good that they will show up when I called them in the afternoon. Now, they know me, know that I treat them well and know that I have money to pay them.

As promised, the name of the restaurant is [B]Tarambana[/B].

Anyone know of any other casas that is comparable to Loutrons?

[QUOTE=Jergens007;1623850]Hey all!

Just got back from Colombia, I am suffering from the Post Vacation blues. Can't wait to go back soon. I was there for 2.5 weeks, and while I was there, I went to Cali, Cartagena, Gutape and hacienda Napoles. My trip wasn't only for mongering, it was to explore, take photos, visit my Colombian friends. This is my 4th trip, 2008 was my last time when I was in Medellin so its been a while.

About myself and the type of women I like: I am from Los Angeles, 30's Asian-Mix, very trendy and hip. I like all types of women but I prefer Latinas. I like my women to be well toned, curvy, busty with big asses. I don't mind if they are enhanced, just as long as its wells proportion to the rest of the body. I know most of the men here are on a budget and visit Mayorista to find their girls. It isn't my scene and I don't find most of the girls there attractive. I am more into the "trophy" fucks. Studio F models, Bikini Models, Glamour Model, playboy types. I am willing to pay $$ for high end pussy. My Spanish is very limited, I can get around, buy things but I can't hold a deep conversation. Yes, I need to work on this!..[/QUOTE]

What time do a number of girls start hitting the street at Mayorista? (I figure there a few all day, but what time does a selection start).

Anyone have a solid recommendation on one of the hourly hotels there? (I know there are a lot, but are any preferable).

Are there working girls at Parque Lleras that will come back to an apartment?

Gracias compadres!

[QUOTE=Jergens007;1630834]Anyone know of any other casas that is comparable to Loutrons?[/QUOTE]Which way?

If you mean price? Answer is none.

Ambiance? None.

Quality of girls? Yes. I think Energy and Abydos have better quality. Younger and less silicone.

I also think girls on Masjista paisas and Paisa Divinas have better quality.

[QUOTE=ElPatron24;1631133]What time do a number of girls start hitting the street at Mayorista? (I figure there a few all day, but what time does a selection start).

Anyone have a solid recommendation on one of the hourly hotels there? (I know there are a lot, but are any preferable).

Are there working girls at Parque Lleras that will come back to an apartment?

Gracias compadres![/QUOTE]The answer to the last question is yes. See "You can's" reports from few days ago. Unless you run into an obvious hooker, (which I saw few decent ones last week) picking up a semi pro girl in Habanos requires quite a bit of charm, some degree of spanish proficiency and a head full of hair. If you can salsa, then you are golden.

[QUOTE=Jergens007;1630834]Anyone know of any other casas that is comparable to Loutrons?[/QUOTE]Perhaps you will find blue room and energy similar. They are about half the price. Sometimes they have the same or similar quality girls, and often less mechanical service.

[QUOTE=HoraleGuey;1631182]Perhaps you will find blue room and energy similar. They are about half the price. Sometimes they have the same or similar quality girls, and often less mechanical service.[/QUOTE]Also Abydos.

[QUOTE=Vitrea;1631177]The answer to the last question is yes. See "You can's" reports from few days ago. Unless you run into an obvious hooker, (which I saw few decent ones last week) picking up a semi pro girl in Habanos requires quite a bit of charm, some degree of spanish proficiency and a head full of hair. If you can salsa, then you are golden.[/QUOTE]Awesome, thanks. I was hoping so. I'm not really a casa guy, prefer grabbing freelancers who are out in social areas. I speak Spanish and am younger than the vast majority of MDE mongers, so I'm going to give it a few shots there.

[QUOTE=Hioctane;1631236]Also Abydos.[/QUOTE]I couldn't remember the name of it for the life of me. I haven't been there in a long time. Quality these days?

Did anyone else hear the series of what sounded like gunshots at 1230 AM then another round about 1245 AM? When I came into my Apt. At 1230 AM the security guard said they were fireworks but I never did hear any secondary explosions after the fireworks explode seconds later up in the air. Then 1245 AM heard another 3 gunshot / firework sounds in very quick succession but again no secondary sounds. Not trying to friek anyone out and myself not scared because often these if actually from a gun are most.

Likely from romance or drug deals gone bad. I do like to know however if there are any "hotspots" so as to avoid but see. See. Oviedo / Poblado about as relatively safe as you can get here. My taxista on the way back from La 33 seemed to me to take a longer out of the route back but maybe HE knew something was going on in the path back to my Apartmento.

Regarding my 1st day events had a real good day after 3 and a half year hiatus from Medellin. Picked up right where I left off and 1st time walking from Prado Metro to New Life and Belle Suite (Afrodita). Is like others posted in here, only do during the day and stick to the main streets. I general felt ok but looking down the side streets where not many businesses open and / or working class around did not want to venture into and didn't need to. Had one young chico looking at me and coming at me straight then I squared off right into him at rapid pace and HE passed far from me.

I only could take one lay due to exhausted from long flight day before. Stopped into Andromeda right off Ave. Oriental where I encountered Bellatin. Nice dark haired girl with blonde highlights who gave great head covered and attempted multi-pos but could tell she was perhaps more tired than I. I didn't see any other guys in there and rest of lineup (4 other chicas) all doable I rating them from 5's-8's. Oh the precio por Ella 55 K for an hour.

Sorry to interrupt this post but just heard 3 more sounds at 1:08 AM. Proly is only fireworks thinking most gun battles over in minutes. Right?

Anyways decided to dine at far overprices Lleras. 3 more sounds at 1:09 AM, then 3 more right now then 3 more.

Back to Lleras. Sure is all nice and Cosmo plus tons of bars and dining close but do the scene quick. So decided to head over to 33 and come across a new licor store opening and all the free shots you could take plus awesome house music DJs playing progresso.

Medallo really is day to day seeing what new adventures await each and every day. Hearing more sounds that sound like fireworks coming out their canons thanks dios.

9 more sounds 3 apiece like the others. Maybe I close my apt. Patio door now and / or take some Xanax (oh wait can't get over the counter here like in see. Are.). Also they don't know what Some muscle relaxer is.

Anyway tom. A new day in this nice place.

9 more shots 3 x 3.

Good night now.

Does anyone know if they sell this with or without an Rx down here? I asked two different farmacias and both scratched their heads. Maybe it has a different name down here (in see. Are. Called Tensapriv). The two farmacias did not explicitly say to me it is controlled although it may be recently as the you. S listed it recently. I just like take only one at night some nights to help me stay asleep plus I have Rx for it in USA.

Thanks,

Dez

[URL]http://www.drugs.com/ppa/carisoprodol.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=CocrBrotheler;1631656]Does anyone know if they sell this with or without an Rx down here? I asked two different farmacias and both scratched their heads. Maybe it has a different name down here (in see. Are. Called Tensapriv). The two farmacias did not explicitly say to me it is controlled although it may be recently as the you. S listed it recently. I just like take only one at night some nights to help me stay asleep plus I have Rx for it in USA. Dez [URL]http://www.drugs.com/ppa/carisoprodol.html[/URL][/QUOTE]This medication may be habit-forming and should be used only by the person it was prescribed for. Carisoprodol should never be given to another person, especially someone who has a history of drug abuse or addiction. It may have a different name in Colombia and a doctor may assist you with it.

[QUOTE=LifeIsABeach;1631942]This medication may be habit-forming and should be used only by the person it was prescribed for. Carisoprodol should never be given to another person, especially someone who has a history of drug abuse or addiction. It may have a different name in Colombia and a doctor may assist you with it.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the reply Lifes A. I guess you didn't read in my thread that I am prescribed this medication. I have a 2 mm herniated disc protrusion in my lower lumbar plus two herniated cervical C5 & C6 so yes I do enjoy this medication time to time when irritated however I hold off until nighttime and limit myself to just one tab. Soma if taken in lower doses ok however if 3 or more tabs at a time is Michael Jackson risk type stuff. There are other muscle relaxants (Cyclobenzaprine) which are safer on the cardiovascular system however make me so "high" I don't like taking them. If I have to take some Cyclo after my clinic visit tomorrow is ok cause is just short term. This is kinda funny but I did actually strain my neck in a casa today turning head so quickly to look at a booty LOL.

Also Xanax and pain pills very highly addictive as well and again I don't like taking them cause they make me too wonky. One Soma at bedtime as I have been taking on and off for 10 years is the right fit (slightly mellow like two drinks) and no one knows their body and their body's reaction to drugs better than themselves.

The thing that really baffles me is the farmacias I asked about the Soma (3 so far) don't even recognize it or anything similar like it (I. E. Any other muscle relaxants for skeletal muscular disorders) and treat it as cocaine or something yet they all carry Xanax (Rx needed) which IMHO is much more addictive than a Soma taken at bedtime. WTF? Just interesting.

[QUOTE=CocrBrotheler;1632026]Thanks for the reply Lifes A. I guess you didn't read in my thread that I am prescribed this medication. I have a 2 mm herniated disc protrusion in my lower lumbar plus two herniated cervical C5 & C6 so yes I do enjoy this medication time to time when irritated however I hold off until nighttime and limit myself to just one tab. Soma if taken in lower doses ok however if 3 or more tabs at a time is Michael Jackson risk type stuff. There are other muscle relaxants (Cyclobenzaprine) which are safer on the cardiovascular system however make me so "high" I don't like taking them. If I have to take some Cyclo after my clinic visit tomorrow is ok cause is just short term. This is kinda funny but I did actually strain my neck in a casa today turning head so quickly to look at a booty LOL.

Also Xanax and pain pills very highly addictive as well and again I don't like taking them cause they make me too wonky. One Soma at bedtime as I have been taking on and off for 10 years is the right fit (slightly mellow like two drinks) and no one knows their body and their body's reaction to drugs better than themselves.

The thing that really baffles me is the farmacias I asked about the Soma (3 so far) don't even recognize it or anything similar like it (I. E. Any other muscle relaxants for skeletal muscular disorders) and treat it as cocaine or something yet they all carry Xanax (Rx needed) which IMHO is much more addictive than a Soma taken at bedtime. WTF? Just interesting.[/QUOTE]Robaxin is available in pharmacies in Colombia. Not sure if this drug is compatible with what you are looking for, but I have bought it in the past. It is a muscle relaxant for skeletal muscular disorders.

[QUOTE=CocrBrotheler;1632026] I have a 2 mm herniated disc protrusion in my lower lumbar plus two herniated cervical C5 & C6. [/QUOTE]Talk about lower back problems. I have had lower back problems for years and it's been about 3 years since I last saw a chiropractor. My lower back went Saturday night doing house cleaning all day. Extremely painful and at a time when I cannot take any muscle relaxants as I have left shoulder full tear rotor cuff surgery in a week's time. I just take ibuprofen, not the hard stuff. Totally my fault. I have not done back exercises for a while and started on them on Saturday night. Hopefully my back will be fine for the surgery for the shoulder.

Sir,

It's best to use the generic and not the brand name when in other countries. Also, in case they are not familiar with your generic drug name, write it down and ask them to search it on their computers: "Pasteur" pharmacy will actually do this.

And inquire about "Volteran"! This one they are familiar with.

Please report back about your clinic visit: service quality, cost. Etc.

Back pain is a major setback during vacation and sex. I wish you well.

[QUOTE=CocrBrotheler;1632026]Thanks for the reply Lifes A. I guess you didn't read in my thread that I am prescribed this medication. I have a 2 mm herniated disc protrusion in my lower lumbar plus two herniated cervical C5 & C6 so yes I do enjoy this medication time to time when irritated however I hold off until nighttime and limit myself to just one tab. Soma if taken in lower doses ok however if 3 or more tabs at a time is Michael Jackson risk type stuff. There are other muscle relaxants (Cyclobenzaprine) which are safer on the cardiovascular system however make me so "high" I don't like taking them. If I have to take some Cyclo after my clinic visit tomorrow is ok cause is just short term. This is kinda funny but I did actually strain my neck in a casa today turning head so quickly to look at a booty LOL.

Also Xanax and pain pills very highly addictive as well and again I don't like taking them cause they make me too wonky. One Soma at bedtime as I have been taking on and off for 10 years is the right fit (slightly mellow like two drinks) and no one knows their body and their body's reaction to drugs better than themselves.

The thing that really baffles me is the farmacias I asked about the Soma (3 so far) don't even recognize it or anything similar like it (I. E. Any other muscle relaxants for skeletal muscular disorders) and treat it as cocaine or something yet they all carry Xanax (Rx needed) which IMHO is much more addictive than a Soma taken at bedtime. WTF? Just interesting.[/QUOTE]

Many girls like to make private videos. They are nervous, but when getting excited several girls has approved to taking photos, shooting a POV scene. Using her cellphone makes her relaxed , that it not comes out on the Internet.

Would love to bring home all that sex, not just a few pic´s and short scences with covered faces of the girls.

Anyone that made it?

If 11 months in Sexprison awaits, such pics and videos can work as a very strong anti-depressant!

I have made one with an erotic model, not pornomodel, but she agreed to do it for 300 mil COP. Before leaving MDE in September. Our common friend shoot it with a cellphone, quality was OK.

I would happily publish it at pornhub or youporn or such site, but I'm just in a too bad shape, gained 22 pounds 2014.

But it 's a priority for the 2015/16 trip to MDE. Stefy was also positive.

And others. For private use, but it's a start, becoming excited watching herself, the girls agree to more things, it's a process. Just like when they start with the prepago business.

The fundamental problem; The US is many cultures in on country; from Vermont to Montana, to South Carolina, to New York, to Hollywood, to San Fransisco, to San Fernando Valley, while Colombia is homogenic, doing porno in Colombia, and ALL people will know. US produce 25.000 high quaility erotic scenes a year, so who cares. Colombia still is very rural, backwards, still lacking the individual freedom and "Just do it!" / Hagale! Mentality that is the The US signum for constantly amaze us.

But so far; It's Ok for private use with Colombian girls. 99% of those who have a potential career goes to the US, Brazil, Spain, Holland. Hannover / hamburg or Budapest and now even Bucharest is on the map!

Amateur porn fascinates me, with a girl next door, and the option publishing at pornhub, youporn-site.

Brasilian girls seems care less about this, they have a lot of high quality amateur porn.

There are also a special site for old men, having XXX with youngsters, one in Holland and one in Spain. So if you are +50 and want to have free sex with sexy girls for free, just do it!

Porn is 100% legal in Colombia and models can be found among the cheaper girls that Foxhunter mentioned. If a US babe get $US1000 for a be / g scene and a brazilian $US375, a hot Iglesia Veracruz girl could be had for $100, like 200 mil COP, or less!

If the scen get popular at amateur sites, she girl can make some money on it, not much, but everything that contributes to a Centro Casa- street- or mayorista girl's everyday life economy; 25.000 COP is what a 12 hour workday gives on average. A erotic scene, 99% watched by men from 1st world gives 150.000 COP, that's a weeks income!

The very first I made with was with the MILF from Cra 65, she who sells candy there and make 10-30 mil, COP a day, working 12 hs a day Monday to Sunday.

Maybe many Guys feel bad about porn, but for us who likes it, Medellin hold a lot of talent.

And they are naturally Born porn Stars, as they way the make sex 90% of the times are as good as a professional model, they are simply the best, apart from the Brazilian girls, but if they lost 1-7 in World Cupd, they can be beaten as erotic models as well!

I think the amateur-XXX thing can be used. Share the $ with the girl, so in total you get the sex for free and she earns a some well needed pesos.

And it's not an inteference with local interests.

This is bound to happen! The prepago culture is so openly accepted that the next step to making a business of it comes natural.

BangBros has started and had a huge success with their Culioneros series.

Brazil is 3-4 times more expensive.

Compare with Budapest and Prague; they have the talent and still after 22 years after it became legal, they contiue to produce more and more and refining quality and professionalism constantly!

Medellin might well become the San Fernando Valley of Colombia!

The progressive parts of the US and Europe are of course 20 years ahead, but Medellin are 20 years ahead of us when it comes to acceptance for prepagos!

[QUOTE=CJackSparrow;1632527]
11 months in Sexprison awaits, such pics and videos can work as a very strong anti-depressant![/QUOTE]Europe's vacation model is awesome and sucks at the same time. It's great you get an entire month off to "Holiday", but what the fuck are you supposed to do for the rest of the 11 months? I just hope you don't plan to curse us with such ramblings during your stint:

[QUOTE=CJackSparrow;1632534]
The fundamental problem; The US is many cultures in on country; from Vermont to Montana, to South Carolina, to New York, to Hollywood, to San Fransisco, to San Fernando Valley, while Colombia is homogenic, doing porno in Colombia, and ALL people will know. US produce 25.000 high quaility erotic scenes a year, so who cares. Colombia still is very rural, backwards, still lacking the individual freedom and "Just do it!" / Hagale! Mentality that is the The US signum for constantly amaze us.

Amateur porn fascinates me, with a girl next door, and the option publishing at pornhub, youporn-site.

Brasilian girls seems care less about this, they have a lot of high quality amateur porn.

Porn is 100% legal in Colombia and models can be found among the cheaper girls that Foxhunter mentioned. If a US babe get $US1000 for a be / g scene and a brazilian $US375, a hot Iglesia Veracruz girl could be had for $100, like 200 mil COP, or less!

If the scen get popular at amateur sites, she girl can make some money on it, not much, but everything that contributes to a Centro Casa- street- or mayorista girl's everyday life economy; 25.000 COP is what a 12 hour workday gives on average. A erotic scene, 99% watched by men from 1st world gives 150.000 COP, that's a weeks income!

Maybe many Guys feel bad about porn

And they are naturally Born porn Stars, as they way the make sex 90% of the times are as good as a professional model, they are simply the best, apart from the Brazilian girls, but if they lost 1-7 in World Cupd, they can be beaten as erotic models as well!

I think the amateur-XXX thing can be used. Share the $ with the girl, so in total you get the sex for free and she earns a some well needed pesos.

And it's not an inteference with local interests.

This is bound to happen! The prepago culture is so openly accepted that the next step to making a business of it comes natural.

BangBros has started and had a huge success with their Culioneros series.

Brazil is 3-4 times more expensive.

Compare with Budapest and

Medellin might well become the San Fernando Valley of Colombia!
[/QUOTE]Where have you been for the past 8 yrs or so? When is the last time you've actually paid for porn? You even state that you love amateur porn sites like pornhub and youporn, both of which are FREE!

So you want guys to pay Colombian females $375 USD to make a porno, and then you want those same guys to turn around and post it on YouPorn so that you can watch it for free? What kind of retarded business model is that? But Europe was never known for their capitalistic prowess, hahaha.

Porn is not big in Colombia because if a guy there wants to bang a female HE just visits a casa or street pro. They don't need to jack off to porn. Porn is only big in countries where prostitution is illegal, like the US. I think the last time I've ever paid for a porn DVD or online subscription was 2004. There is just to much of the free shit online to ever have to spend money on it ever again.

So I have been lurking on this site for quite some time and I think it is time to contribute. About me I am 30's American white guy, average looking, great shape, good dancer, relatively smooth (depending on who you ask hahaha) and terrified of commitment or opening up emotionally. This is why I took up mongering a year ago. I lived in San Diego and took many trips back and forth to the Hong Kong club in Tijuana. Loved it there. Moved to Colombia 2 months ago and have had a very mixed mongering experience here. Very. Its a bit of a learning curve for me because I would always go to the same place in Tijuana and I had the inside scoop on everything (not to mention Hong Kong is quite possibly the greatest places on earth). Anyways this weekend was definitely one for the record books.

Friday: Met a non prepago from facebook. College girl (21), super beautiful face, decent body. We had fun and ate sushi. Although she seemed intelligent, she literally had the hardest Spanish to understand EVER. I can usually communicate very well in Spanish but this particular chick was difficult. Still it was cool we went back to my place and made out. She said she had to go home, contacted me the next day and we are going to the movies next week.

Saturday: Went to a local hostel where I like to have beers. Was going to go out with some friends, but got a facebook message from a prepago that I have known for quite some time. Originally I met her from an escort site but we hit it off and have been friends since. Cute face, very nice ass. I offered her 100 mil to come over for the night and she agreed. She and I have good chemistry so it was very GFE. Lots of kissing, dancing, and hanging out before sex. Then when it came time for sex I couldn't perform (I had done a lot of coke earlier). Waited for an hour and went back at it. Good sex. After we cuddled and slept for a couple of hours and she took off.

Sunday: Woke up hungover and feeling like shit. Drank coffee and went to the gym anyways. After I went home, changed clothes and walked to energy. It was a game day so walking by the stadium freaked me out a little bit (always seems dangerous). For some reason Energy was closed. I was bummed so I went home and starting hitting the internet. Ended up chatting with this one chick that I had message on facebook earlier in the week named Laura. Her pics looked really hot but I got the impression she wasn't a prepago. I kept asking her to come out and drink with me and she agrees under the condition that her friend is going to come too. I tell her I would pay for their taxi. Pics looked like a 7-8. When she arrives she is a solid 9. 5. I mean this girl was a knockout. Beautiful face, fake tits, perfect athletic legs, and nice ass. This is the type of chick that I came to Colombia for. Her friend is cool but I can tell that she is a cockblock and is there to be a cockblock. We go to setenta I buy us a bottle of liquor in this discoteca. I swear I was definitely the only white guy in there. At first this chick is super into me touching me and being super friendly, but as the night wears on I sense that she might be losing attraction (I told you I'm only semi smooth hahaha). We all dance a bit and after about 2 hours the girls say they have to go. I basically felt like I had probably blown it. This girl was so hot and definitely out of my league anyways. I don't sweat it. When they leave its about 12:30 so I take a cab to Parques Lleras. End up running into my buddy and we go on the hunt, but to no avail. Much talking and no girls to show for it. I buy some girls drinks and then closing time comes. The normal hooker scene afterwards but I don't typically like these chicks that work Lleras (usually bad service). Then me and my buddy meet these two sisters. Both very short and look very similar. 20 and 21. They ask if we want to go back to my house or a hotel and my buddy is not interested. These chicks were not SUPER hot but they were not bad either. Since my buddy is not into it I ask if I they would have sex with me at the same time. They are game. I ask them how much and they offer 300. I immediately bite. 2 sisters, same time. Opportunity of a lifetime. We go back to my house and end up partying till sun up. When it comes to sex things get awkward and I propose that instead of a threesome we do one at a time. They agree. I take the younger one first. Better body but horrible sex. Like some of the worst sex I have ever had. Dead fuck and nervous. The older one was significantly better, overall it was just a novelty experience. Definitely had better. They leave and I end up getting about 2 hours of sleep.

Monday: By this point I had been on a 3 day coke and hooker filled binge. Part of me wanted to just go watch a movie but another part wanted a chick. Weighed my options. Seeing that it was a holiday all of the casas were closed. This left only my phone book. I text one prepago but I get the feeling that she has plans later and it would be a rushed session. All the while I can't get this chick Laura (the girl from the night before out of my head). I figure that I blew it with her, so I just decide to throw caution to the wind. I text her and say: If you come to my house to night for sex I will give you 400 mil. Realizing that if this doesn't work it will blow my other chances with her I don't give fuck. Message a few other chicks but its hard to get responses. Finally Laura responds. She is interested. Now talk about a fantasy come true. Going on a date with the dream girl you got no shot with and the next day having her come over to your house for sex. This shit would never work in the US with this caliber of chick. She agrees to come over and she looks even better the second night. Immediately gives me a passionate kiss and we proceed to have one of the best nights of my life. This chick was fucking perfect. Personality, looks, passion. Maybe the best service that I have ever gotten out of a chick. So much passion, so much kissing, no rush, and so natural and organic. Furthermore she was either super into me or an incredible actress (I don't have the intuition to tell and 400 mill will make most Colombians love you). It was probably the most I have paid this whole year for a chick but it was top 3 best sexual experiences of my life. I will definitely be calling this chick again.

Now I am in a coffee shop just resting. I don't usually go this hard. Definitely one of the better weekends of my 31 years. Definitely want to get more into this "turning girls out" idea, or offering regular girls large sums of money for sex. It seems like a great thing.

[QUOTE=CocrBrotheler;1631649]Did anyone else hear the series of what sounded like gunshots at 1230 AM then another round about 1245 AM? When I came into my Apt. At 1230 AM the security guard said they were fireworks but I never did hear any secondary explosions after the fireworks explode seconds later up in the air. Then 1245 AM heard another 3 gunshot / firework sounds in very quick succession but again no secondary sounds. Not trying to friek anyone out and myself not scared because often these if actually from a gun are most.

Likely from romance or drug deals gone bad. I do like to know however if there are any "hotspots" so as to avoid but see. See. Oviedo / Poblado about as relatively safe as you can get here. My taxista on the way back from La 33 seemed to me to take a longer out of the route back but maybe HE knew something was going on in the path back to my Apartmento.

Sorry to interrupt this post but just heard 3 more sounds at 1:08 AM. Proly is only fireworks thinking most gun battles over in minutes. Right?[/QUOTE]This is funny to read. On my second trip to Medellin I stayed in a high rise in El Poblado and heard the same sounds that you are talking about. These sounds you are hearing are just fireworks 100%. I have never heard gunfire in El Poblado or in the Southern half of Medellin for that matter. In the 2 years of dating my girlfriend I have never heard gunfire in her barrio and it is located in a tough neighborhood in the North. 10+ years ago there were paramilitaries with machine guns at the entrances of the toughest neighborhoods in the high hills in the North. Machine gun fighting was heard weekly in these areas at night. Currently these neighborhoods are not safe but the extreme violence of those days are over in Medellin.

For you guys who are new to Medellin the city is divided into two sections: The North and The South. Almost everything that is talked about on this board is located in The South and almost all of The South is relatively safe if you take basic precautions. The North is poor and there are some very tough neighborhoods located there. Be very careful when entering The North.

A common walk I make when in Medellin is between Calle 50 and Calle 30 and Carrera 65 and Carrera 80. This IS NOT a good area to meet working girls but a relatively safe area to experience Medellin outside of El Poblado. Don't wear shorts if you want to blend in a little and not stand out as an obvious tourist.

I just lived in MDE 5 months Savepros! I'm not a 1 month hardworking guy that comes to MDE and spend a years saving on prepagos.

I prepare, like may of us, to share my time between US or Europe and Medellin, which is possible for a normal income guy if your have some skills and are flexible.

Yes, there are sites that pay for your homemade videos, I have girlfriend that has made $US 5000, but of course she is awesome and the videos are of good quality.

My paisa lovers just love porn. Young girls, they are curious and want to experiment!

Don't be so negative just because I was blaha-ing a little about a new dimension; Medellin can and will produce porn; if they can eport HQ cocaine they can export HQ porn!

I agree that strict culture leaves us with the 2-dimensional alternative alone, but HQ -HD erotic is not a substitute in Medellin, it's a complement.

I want it all; hot girlfriend, prepagos, HQ-HD porn, striptease clubs, elegant and sexy girls in the everyday life; The New Life girls does not replace Gianna Nicole, watching her in HD 8 am in the morning is the spark that get me going to be at New Life 8. 59 am!

Even better if she was a real paisa, not just looking like one!

[QUOTE=CJackSparrow;1632703]
I want it all; hot girlfriend, prepagos, HQ-HD porn, striptease clubs, elegant and sexy girls in the everyday life; The New Life girls does not replace [b]Gianna Nicole[/b], watching her in HD 8 am in the morning is the spark that get me going to be at New Life 8. 59 am!
[/QUOTE]Well, here you go:

[URL]http://www.xvideos.com/profiles/gianna-nicole[/URL]

118 videos for your wanking pleasure :-D

EVEN BETTER: Buy the Chromcast dongle for $35 at Amazon.com and push the video from your laptop or smartphone to your HD TV!

Now, wouldn't you be one pissed-off "Anglo-Saxon Male" if you were one of the 118 suckers who paid her $1000+ USD to make a porno with her (and hoped to make money from it), only to find that they are abundantly available for free on the internet?

[QUOTE=C Jack Sparrow;1632703]I have girlfriend that has made $US 5000, but of course she is awesome and the videos are of good quality.
[/QUOTE]

That's not hard to believe. The ones that usually make a killing in porn are the females. Look at all the guys who paid money out the ass to make videos with your Gianna Nicole. They most likely never recouped their initial investment, whereas her and her boyfriend/pimp are probably on their 2nd or 3rd Porsche!

I know a few pros here in the states that make a ton of money from webcam shows. Also the trend I've been starting to see is that US escorts will make a porno and use it is as a business card to gen up business and grow their clientle (like the Zumba instructor Alexis Wright. She has a handful of vids on the net as well: [url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2218331/Zumba-prostitution-case-Names-Alexis-Wrights-21-alleged-clients-released.html[/url])

But the loser are always the porn producers. It's interesting that back in the late 90's early 2000's they were proclaiming how digital and HD video + internet was going to be a godsend for their industry (because it allowed them to shoot for cheaper and faster with minimal crew; internet would bypass distributors ("cut out the middleman") and allow them to connect directly with their customers), when in the end it turned out to be the exact thing that tanked their industry.

[QUOTE=VegasJeff;1632672]This is funny to read. On my second trip to Medellin I stayed in a high rise in El Poblado and heard the same sounds that you are talking about. These sounds you are hearing are just fireworks 100%. I have never heard gunfire in El Poblado or in the Southern half of Medellin for that matter. In the 2 years of dating my girlfriend I have never heard gunfire in her barrio and it is located in a tough neighborhood in the North. 10+ years ago there were paramilitaries with machine guns at the entrances of the toughest neighborhoods in the high hills in the North. Machine gun fighting was heard weekly in these areas at night. Currently these neighborhoods are not safe but the extreme violence of those days are over in Medellin.

For you guys who are new to Medellin the city is divided into two sections: The North and The South. Almost everything that is talked about on this board is located in The South and almost all of The South is relatively safe if you take basic precautions. The North is poor and there are some very tough neighborhoods located there. Be very careful when entering The North.

A common walk I make when in Medellin is between Calle 50 and Calle 30 and Carrera 65 and Carrera 80. This IS NOT a good area to meet working girls but a relatively safe area to experience Medellin outside of El Poblado. Don't wear shorts if you want to blend in a little and not stand out as an obvious tourist.[/QUOTE]Colombians play some sort of bean bag toss. The idea is to hit these bags with a hard object from a distance. Each of these bags hold a little gun powder and a flint that explodes due to the spark that is created when hit with the solid object. Not sure what the game is called but it sounds like gun shots. I used to live in San Diego hills and for a while I thought it was gun shots too till I decide to investigate. There are people below who was playing this game. Much like the little snappers you see kids throw in the street they make little fire cracker sounds. Same thing but much bigger and it sounds like a gun shot. Check our Anthony Bourdain, HE was playing this game with the colombians when visiting. You are safe. Now if you see 2 guys on a motorcycle at night, I would keep my guard up. It is illegal as normally this is guys from the barrio looking for a mark.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1632721]Well, here you go:

[URL]http://www.xvideos.com/profiles/gianna-nicole[/URL]

118 videos for your wanking pleasure :-D

EVEN BETTER: Buy the Chromcast dongle for $35 at Amazon.com and push the video from your laptop or smartphone to your HD TV!

Now, wouldn't you be one pissed-off "Anglo-Saxon Male" if you were one of the 118 suckers who paid her $1000+ USD to make a porno with her (and hoped to make money from it), only to find that they are abundantly available for free on the internet?


That's not hard to believe. The ones that usually make a killing in porn are the females. Look at all the guys who paid money out the ass to make videos with your Gianna Nicole. They most likely never recouped their initial investment, whereas her and her boyfriend/pimp are probably on their 2nd or 3rd Porsche!

I know a few pros here in the states that make a ton of money from webcam shows. Also the trend I've been starting to see is that US escorts will make a porno and use it is as a business card to gen up business and grow their clientle (like the Zumba instructor Alexis Wright. She has a handful of vids on the net as well: [url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2218331/Zumba-prostitution-case-Names-Alexis-Wrights-21-alleged-clients-released.html[/url])

But the loser are always the porn producers. It's interesting that back in the late 90's early 2000's they were proclaiming how digital and HD video + internet was going to be a godsend for their industry (because it allowed them to shoot for cheaper and faster with minimal crew; internet would bypass distributors ("cut out the middleman") and allow them to connect directly with their customers), when in the end it turned out to be the exact thing that tanked their industry.[/QUOTE]I wrote that it's the combination of watching Gianna Nicole, the piasas in the street, New Life, dating a pretty you. -student. Etc.

You are 100% correct about the industry as such, I meant paisas could make money as their american sisters do, in Colombia, using their porno talents to charge 3 times more, as already Cola de la Valle and Chica's Car Audio models do.

That was my bottom line. Porn in Colombia and Medellin.

Prepagos is everywhere and it's OK in a way that would never be accepted in Western countries.

They pay for real sex, we pay for 2 dimensional. Pornstars Webcam-models as you say; Abella Anderson or Natasha from Culioneros are the winners, the latter one of very few Colombian pornstars that makes a name for herself, but not using her commercial potencial as an american MILF would do!

We accept porn, but not prepagos, latin countries the way around.

In this global times, are this going to change?

A local Medellin-Gianna Nicole could charge a lot more, both as webcam model and prepago.

What surprised me was the curiosity, the willingness to do it among my paisa lovers about porn. They want to do it in private, and if possible, abroad.

I love the female show-off mentality among the paisas, they just love sex!

Make some videos with your New Life prepagos and bring home to Sexprison.

I understand you, there is a contradiction on the general level, but on the personal level you can have have both!

We all want to see more Esperanza Gomez-girls, Culioneros-girls.

Jergens7 is into it his own way which I also dig; going for the top-notch famous Bikini models, I also like pornstars, which does not exclude New Life, Loutron, Iglesia Veracruz, not a paisa novia or even future wife.

All the erotics in all it's forms!

In the XXX industry the girls who became stars make a lot of money, not all of them, maybe 1 of 100. A lot of them make good money, but as we want new prepagos all the time, the XXX industry changes female stars in matter of months, few of them have a stardome more than a year or two and in that perspective it's not that much money, for 99% of the female models it's about paying the bills and the university tuition.

About pornos made in Colombia, Brazil, I find them much more relaxed, natural, without that high decibel moaning that is such a total turn off, even if american girls many times are very sexy, it's just to unreal and volume has to be turned down or even off!

There is a reason of taste, a demand to get more of Latinamerican made XXX.

[QUOTE=CJackSparrow;1632842]
You are 100% correct about the industry as such, I meant [b]paisas could make money as their american sisters do, in Colombia, using their porno talents to charge 3 times more[/b], as already Cola de la Valle and Chica's Car Audio models do.

A local Medellin-Gianna Nicole could charge a lot more, both as webcam model and prepago.
[/QUOTE]So my question to you is: is that what you really want? You want to fly all the way from Europe to Colombia just to pay 3 times more money? I am sure you can find Colombianas working all over Europe and parts of Asia that charge more than they would if they were in Medellin. Hell, you could even save yourself travel time if you just went to Costa Rica or Panama. You will have no problem finding Colombianas charging 3x more than they would back home.

I know all of this sounds like "negative thinking" to you, but maybe it is because I am American. I guess I am just asking you to help me understand that, even if money is not an issue for you, what is the attraction of flying thousands of miles and wanting to pay Colombianas 3x more money when you can just do so in London, Amsterdam, Germany, etc.?

Here in the US I can get on Backpage or Craigslist and find Colombianas offering their services for $300+ per hour. I definitely have the money, but why would I pay that when I can go right to the source (Colombia) and pay far less?

Of equal note: If you still insists on paying more money and doing so in Colombia, you could always go to Cartagena. No shortage of over-priced chicas there, plus they have a beach!

[QUOTE=CJackSparrow;1632842]I wrote that it's the combination of watching Gianna Nicole, the piasas in the street, New Life, dating a pretty you. -student. Etc.

You are 100% correct about the industry as such, I meant paisas could make money as their american sisters do, in Colombia, using their porno talents to charge 3 times more, as already Cola de la Valle and Chica's Car Audio models do.

That was my bottom line. Porn in Colombia and Medellin.

[/QUOTE]The -General Section- would be perfect for this type of Porn in Colombia debate.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1632945]So my question to you is: is that what you really want? You want to fly all the way from Europe to Colombia just to pay 3 times more money? I am sure you can find Colombianas working all over Europe and parts of Asia that charge more than they would if they were in Medellin. Hell, you could even save yourself travel time if you just went to Costa Rica or Panama. You will have no problem finding Colombianas charging 3x more than they would back home.

I know all of this sounds like "negative thinking" to you, but maybe it is because I am American. I guess I am just asking you to help me understand that, even if money is not an issue for you, what is the attraction of flying thousands of miles and wanting to pay Colombianas 3x more money when you can just do so in London, Amsterdam, Germany, etc.?

Here in the US I can get on Backpage or Craigslist and find Colombianas offering their services for $300+ per hour. I definitely have the money, but why would I pay that when I can go right to the source (Colombia) and pay far less?

Of equal note: If you still insists on paying more money and doing so in Colombia, you could always go to Cartagena. No shortage of over-priced chicas there, plus they have a beach![/QUOTE]I take it he is looking for a wife. So he went straight to Colombia for a few months thinking he could turn a hooker into a wife. Its not like he is the only one. I am amazed out how many people on here call these girls their novia, ect, ect. Its funny. Shopping for a girlfriend or wife among Colombian hookers is a different type of person than your average monger. If you are one of the guys who can pull it off you'll just be paying a long term GFE fee while she bangs the young guys in town. If your able to get her back with you.

Nothing compares to Loutrons amazing ambiance! I still wonder how much business they get to pay for the large ass mansion and land to run a casa business.

I'm sure there is more to it, drug lords house or hosting private parties. That place is fucking huge!

In terms of quality of women, I like my women with big tits and big asses, enhanced is fine with me. Model material, playboy, chica audio, studio F types.

I heard Abydos is part of lourtons? Are the quality of the women the same? I went to new life. Didn't see anything I want.

[QUOTE=Vitrea;1631176]Which way?

If you mean price? Answer is none.

Ambiance? None.

Quality of girls? Yes. I think Energy and Abydos have better quality. Younger and less silicone.

I also think girls on Masjista paisas and Paisa Divinas have better quality.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1632945]So my question to you is: is that what you really want? You want to fly all the way from Europe to Colombia just to pay 3 times more money? I am sure you can find Colombianas working all over Europe and parts of Asia that charge more than they would if they were in Medellin. Hell, you could even save yourself travel time if you just went to Costa Rica or Panama. You will have no problem finding Colombianas charging 3x more than they would back home.

I know all of this sounds like "negative thinking" to you, but maybe it is because I am American. I guess I am just asking you to help me understand that, even if money is not an issue for you, what is the attraction of flying thousands of miles and wanting to pay Colombianas 3x more money when you can just do so in London, Amsterdam, Germany, etc.?

Here in the US I can get on Backpage or Craigslist and find Colombianas offering their services for $300+ per hour. I definitely have the money, but why would I pay that when I can go right to the source (Colombia) and pay far less?

Of equal note: If you still insists on paying more money and doing so in Colombia, you could always go to Cartagena. No shortage of over-priced chicas there, plus they have a beach![/QUOTE]I was actually focusing on the huge potential Medellin have to become a a place for producing pornography.

Brazil has made it and are today a big contributor.

US produces 25.000 scenes a year of HQ pornography.

Medelllin, with it's acceptance for beautiful prepagos and easy and open lifestyle about sex; Can it become a center for producing HQ pornography?

Then I added that many girls likes doing it, but yet not all the way. Today in the US it has exploaded into +100 niches and maybe 25.000 is an underestimation.

Medellin have an enourmous amount of sexy young girls, 80% are younger than 35 yo of the close to 2 million females in the metropolitan area.

Wages and total prodution costs should be a lot lower than Brazil.

No matter who is the winners and loosers etc, I just see that here are a potential; Medellin is Colombia's Barcelona that have / had PRIVATE, it's the same entrepreurial mentality here!

[URL]http://www.eluniversal.com.co/sucesos/detienen-en-miami-un-estadounidense-por-proxenetismo-173989[/URL]

A question comes to my mind. I thought prostitution is legal in Colombia (see the number of grills). Then, what is the felony of "proxenetism" exactly? Doing that without official license?

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1633346][URL]http://www.eluniversal.com.co/sucesos/detienen-en-miami-un-estadounidense-por-proxenetismo-173989[/URL]

A question comes to my mind. I thought prostitution is legal in Colombia (see the number of grills). Then, what is the felony of "proxenetism" exactly? Doing that without official license?[/QUOTE]The article says this (American) guy was involved in child pornography, pimping, and having sex with girls 14-17yrs old.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1633356]The article says this (American) guy was involved in child pornography, pimping, and having sex with girls 14-17yrs old.[/QUOTE]Yes, but if you read well, not only this article but also related ones, you see that most accusations look exaggerated (read also the comments by El Universo readers, all flamed against sex tourists who go to Cartagena to enjoy girls, like 99% of the readers of this forum). By the way, I think there is high probability that this guy is / was a regular poster here.

The alleged implication of minors seems to be a minor point of the whole story. The point is that police in these days in Colombia is acting to fight "PROXENETISMO". They arrested 5 people in Cartagena, and also closed a few bars at Bomba de El Amparo. Then my question: what is "PROXENETISMO" in Colombia? Not certainly organizing a business of girls. Doing it without license?

Anybody up for a drink.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1633346][URL]http://www.eluniversal.com.co/sucesos/detienen-en-miami-un-estadounidense-por-proxenetismo-173989[/URL]

A question comes to my mind. I thought prostitution is legal in Colombia (see the number of grills). Then, what is the felony of "proxenetism" exactly? Doing that without official license?[/QUOTE]This was on the CBS network News last night. Crux of the story was kid trafficking. I think that's illegal regardless of where you live. And the age in the US follows you no matter where you travel.

[QUOTE=ElPatron24;1633132]I take it he is looking for a wife. So he went straight to Colombia for a few months thinking he could turn a hooker into a wife. Its not like he is the only one. I am amazed out how many people on here call these girls their novia, ect, ect. Its funny. Shopping for a girlfriend or wife among Colombian hookers is a different type of person than your average monger. If you are one of the guys who can pull it off you'll just be paying a long term GFE fee while she bangs the young guys in town. If your able to get her back with you.[/QUOTE]I did a spreadsheet of what it cost me for 20 years of marriage and all the associated divorce costs. I wish I had started buying pussy at a younger age. Would have saved a lot of frustration and money.

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1633509]Yes, but if you read well, not only this article but also related ones, you see that most accusations look exaggerated (read also the comments by El Universo readers, all flamed against sex tourists who go to Cartagena to enjoy girls, like 99% of the readers of this forum). By the way, I think there is high probability that this guy is / was a regular poster here.

The alleged implication of minors seems to be a minor point of the whole story. The point is that police in these days in Colombia is acting to fight "PROXENETISMO". They arrested 5 people in Cartagena, and also closed a few bars at Bomba de El Amparo. Then my question: what is "PROXENETISMO" in Colombia? Not certainly organizing a business of girls. Doing it without license?[/QUOTE][URL]http://perso.unifr.ch/derechopenal/assets/files/legislacion/l_20130808_01.pdf[/URL]

Article 213 and following Articles.

My strong suggestion IMHO is to refrain in discussing Colombian law as it applies to Colombian nationals only.

[QUOTE=FruitNinja;1633533]I did a spreadsheet of what it cost me for 20 years of marriage and all the associated divorce costs. I wish I had started buying pussy at a younger age. Would have saved a lot of frustration and money.[/QUOTE]This reminds me of a conversation I once had with my boss. It went something like this:

Me: Vic, if you want to meet women you should go to the Dominican Republic.

Boss: But Jose, you're paying for sex.

Me: Cheaper than a wife! (five seconds of silence).

Boss: You got that right!

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1633346][URL]http://www.eluniversal.com.co/sucesos/detienen-en-miami-un-estadounidense-por-proxenetismo-173989[/URL]
A question comes to my mind. I thought prostitution is legal in Colombia (see the number of grills). Then, what is the felony of "proxenetism" exactly? Doing that without official license?[/QUOTE]Though the age of legal consent is 14 years of age, you cannot have sex with a minor for money.

I haven't been on the forum for quite a while. What happened to all the posts about the club that was opened by one of the owners of the mansion. Did they close down. Is Medellin better or about the same from 2011, which was the last time I went. Any new places that are now popular.

Thanks

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1633346][URL]http://www.eluniversal.com.co/sucesos/detienen-en-miami-un-estadounidense-por-proxenetismo-173989[/URL]

A question comes to my mind. I thought prostitution is legal in Colombia (see the number of grills). Then, what is the felony of "proxenetism" exactly? Doing that without official license?[/QUOTE]"proxenetism" is pimping which is also illegal.

[QUOTE=HelpRules;1633863]I haven't been on the forum for quite a while. What happened to all the posts about the club that was opened by one of the owners of the mansion. Did they close down. Is Medellin better or about the same from 2011, which was the last time I went. Any new places that are now popular. Thanks.[/QUOTE]If you are talking about Liquid Lounge, they did open, got off to a rocky start, then the main owner killed himself:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3546-LIQUID-STRIP-[/URL].

Last we heard is that they have closed the club and the other owners are selling the assets.

If you are talking about La Cueva a*k*a "The Cave" (the bar at the mansion), it has been a success IMO (I have stayed there a few times and was never disappointed with the selection available). The only thing that has changed is the owner (Robert left; new owner is a guy named Charlie).

The Mansion, a*k*a "Casa Blanca", a*k*a "Hotel Medellin Plaza" is now called "Hotel M".

Other than maybe a few casa closures and name changes, everything is the same.

[QUOTE=HelpRules;1633863]I haven't been on the forum for quite a while. What happened to all the posts about the club that was opened by one of the owners of the mansion. Did they close down. Is Medellin better or about the same from 2011, which was the last time I went. Any new places that are now popular. Thanks.[/QUOTE]I would say it is about the same, in some ways it has gotten more saturated with foreigners and the girls are more in tune to that, but at the same time most girls say on the whole business is a little worse. There is still a ton of competition and great action to be had at reasonable prices if you keep your head about you and know some Spanish.

One favorable thing vs 2011 is the exchange rate. I recall at times it dipped down to 1750-ish pesos to the dollar around that time period. It is now once again firmly above 2000, about 2050 pesos to the dollar, which is the best it has been in at least five years.

There are new MPs and MPs that have changed hands. Also some reorganization among the strip clubs and a couple new ones, including one "upscale" one in Lleras owned by the Bar Maracaibo guys. Some of the new MPs are cool, just hit the Centro and start walking to find them (using the map is also helpful).

Overall you will find a city that is gaining conveniences (but also gaining traffic, both in terms of roads and tourism). It won't be a lot different from your last trip three years ago overall though.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1633903]If you are talking about Liquid Lounge, they did open, got off to a rocky start, then the main owner killed himself:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3546-LIQUID-STRIP-[/URL].

Last we heard is that they have closed the club and the other owners are selling the assets.

If you are talking about La Cueva a*k*a "The Cave" (the bar at the mansion), it has been a success IMO (I have stayed there a few times and was never disappointed with the selection available). The only thing that has changed is the owner (Robert left; new owner is a guy named Charlie).

The Mansion, a*k*a "Casa Blanca", a*k*a "Hotel Medellin Plaza" is now called "Hotel M".

Other than maybe a few casa closures and name changes, everything is the same.[/QUOTE]I stayed at the Mansion once. I remember all the girls would hang out at the pool. Did they make the cave, so the neighbors wouldn't complain anymore from all the noise. Is the Australian still the owner of the Mansion.

[QUOTE=LifeIsABeach;1633689]Though the age of legal consent is 14 years of age, you cannot have sex with a minor for money.[/QUOTE]The legal age of consent is still the age of consent in your home country no matter where you go!

[QUOTE=CJackSparrow;1633251]I was actually focusing on the huge potential Medellin have to become a a place for producing pornography.

Brazil has made it and are today a big contributor.

US produces 25.000 scenes a year of HQ pornography.

Medelllin, with it's acceptance for beautiful prepagos and easy and open lifestyle about sex; Can it become a center for producing HQ pornography?

Then I added that many girls likes doing it, but yet not all the way. Today in the US it has exploaded into +100 niches and maybe 25.000 is an underestimation.

Medellin have an enourmous amount of sexy young girls, 80% are younger than 35 yo of the close to 2 million females in the metropolitan area.

Wages and total prodution costs should be a lot lower than Brazil.

No matter who is the winners and loosers etc, I just see that here are a potential; Medellin is Colombia's Barcelona that have / had PRIVATE, it's the same entrepreurial mentality here![/QUOTE]South America is by and large mostly Catholic. Although prostitution is accepted, it should not be flaunted which is why pornography will always be a grey area.

Gentlemen,

I'm going to be in Medellin for the first time from 10/19 - 10/24 and am staying at Hotel M. I'm guessing I'm going to spend a lot of time in La Cueva but would like to check out the strip clubs / casas and pull some girls back to my room from there. Are there any organized tours that hit these spots from Hotel M or is my best bet to ask around at the hotel and hopefully find someone willing to show me around?

[QUOTE=ResetButton;1634023]Gentlemen,

I'm going to be in Medellin for the first time from 10/19 - 10/24 and am staying at Hotel M. I'm guessing I'm going to spend a lot of time in La Cueva but would like to check out the strip clubs / casas and pull some girls back to my room from there. Are there any organized tours that hit these spots from Hotel M or is my best bet to ask around at the hotel and hopefully find someone willing to show me around?[/QUOTE]My best bet to ask around at the hotel and hopefully find someone willing to show me around.

This would most likely be your best bet. Although, it's fairly easy to do it yourself. Just get the names and addresses of the casas and take a taxi. That's all there is to it. For the downtown casas, you can easily walk from one to the others.

[QUOTE=ResetButton;1634023]Gentlemen,

I'm going to be in Medellin for the first time from 10/19 - 10/24 and am staying at Hotel M. I'm guessing I'm going to spend a lot of time in La Cueva but would like to check out the strip clubs / casas and pull some girls back to my room from there. Are there any organized tours that hit these spots from Hotel M or is my best bet to ask around at the hotel and hopefully find someone willing to show me around?[/QUOTE]If Boyd is there he may take you on a casa tour. But as the poster below stated, your best bet is finding other mongers staying at the hotel and get together for a casa or stripclub run. You will most likely find guys who are familiar with the scene and will show you around.

You can also ask the front desk for a casa map (if they still provide them).

[QUOTE=ResetButton;1634023]Gentlemen,

I'm going to be in Medellin for the first time from 10/19 - 10/24 and am staying at Hotel M. I'm guessing I'm going to spend a lot of time in La Cueva but would like to check out the strip clubs / casas and pull some girls back to my room from there. Are there any organized tours that hit these spots from Hotel M or is my best bet to ask around at the hotel and hopefully find someone willing to show me around?[/QUOTE]I'm getting in Monday evening and staying at HMP1, and I will absolutely be hitting some casas! Look me up!

BD

[QUOTE=ResetButton;1634023]Gentlemen,

I'm going to be in Medellin for the first time from 10/19 - 10/24 and am staying at Hotel M. I'm guessing I'm going to spend a lot of time in La Cueva but would like to check out the strip clubs / casas and pull some girls back to my room from there. Are there any organized tours that hit these spots from Hotel M or is my best bet to ask around at the hotel and hopefully find someone willing to show me around?[/QUOTE]You need to read the Medellin Reports, and Medellin List forums, go back a couple of years to get useful info, everything is the same, women, prices, locations for the most part.

Print this map and take it w / you on your El Centro adventure, the address system is screwy so go early and you'll have time to figure it out.

[URL]https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&authuser=0&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=206810231178282017429.000494779e6b2fb07f4d4&dg=feature[/URL]

The area around New Life casa is easy to navigate, plus the 2 strip clubs, Ejecutiva and Maracaibo are nearby for late afternoon entertainment, low end but safe and fun.

The Parque Boliviar is an interesting bustling place in the day time. Here is the door to New Life, my guess is it's still a nondescript blue door.

[quote=hioctane;1634002]the legal age of consent is still the age of consent in your home country no matter where you go![/quote]this is the usa laws:

many states in the usa have the legal age of consent as low as 16 years of age. a few 17 years and some 18 years of age. the main point in the federal legal jargon is the word paying. if you are not paying for sex with a person where it is legal to have sex with persons under 18 years, then you have not committed any crimes in that country and the usa.

the age of consent really is not the point here. the confusion lies in how you read this law. legal mumbo-jumbo goes around in circles and is easy to misread if you're not used to reading it. everyone.

so far has completely ignored the key term here; "interstate or foreign commerce". if a person is travelling in "foreign commerce", then he or she is going to another country for the purpose of conducting business. likewise, someone travelling in "interstate commerce" is travelling to another state to conduct some kind of business. now, with that in mind, lets discuss the 2 parts of this statute.

part (a) is simple. anyone who transports a minor (under 18) to another state or country for the purpose of having that person engage in any kind of sexual "business", such as prostitution, has violated this code and committed a crime.

part (b) is a little more complex but essentially it says that if you travel across state or international lines for the purpose of paying for a sex act (defined in chapter 109 a, subsection 2246, (basically, penetration, oral sex, intercourse)) with a minor (in this case minor may mean under 16 or 18, depending on the specific act), and if the sex act you are paying for is considered a crime under chapter 109 a, subsection 2241-2245 (basically, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url], sexual assault, statutory [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] (under 16)), then you have committed a crime. you are also guilty if you aren't the one travelling but are a conspirator in the crime. an example would be if you sold people trips overseas for the purpose of having them pay for sex with minors (in this case, under 16).

nothing in this law, i repeat, nothing keeps you from having consensual sex with someone under 18, as long as it's not against the local laws, under the age of consent where you are, and you're not paying the person (or being paid yourself) if the person is under the age of 16. i want to be clear on this, if you are in a country where the age of consent is 14, then you can have consensual sex with that person, you just can't pay to have sex with a 14 year old while you're there.

usa state, age of consent, age gap provision* , mistake of age defense*.

alabama 16 yes no.

alaska 16 yes yes.

arizona 18 no yes.

arkansas 16 no yes.

california 18 no no.

colorado 17 yes no.

connecticut 16 yes no.

the. see. 16 yes no.

delaware 18 yes no.

florida 18 yes no.

georgia 16 yes no.

hawaii 16 yes no.

idaho 18 yes no.

illinois 17 no no.

indiana 16 no yes.

iowa 16 yes no.

kansas 16 no no.

kentucky 16 yes yes.

louisiana 17 yes no.

maine 16 yes yes.

maryland 16 yes no.

massachusetts 16 no no.

michigan 16 no no.

minnesota 16 yes no.

mississippi 16 yes no.

missouri 17 no yes.

montana 16 yes yes.

nebraska 17 no no.

nevada 16 no no.

new hampshire 16 yes no.

new jersey 16 yes no.

new mexico 17 yes no.

new york 17 no yes.

north carolina 16 yes no.

north dakota 18 no no.

ohio 16 no no.

oklahoma 16 yes no.

oregon 18 yes no.

pennsylvania 16 yes yes.

rhode island 16 no no.

south carolina 16 no no.

south dakota 16 no no.

tennessee 18 yes no.

texas 17 no no.

utah 18 yes no.

vermont 16 yes no.

virginia 18 no no.

washington 16 yes yes.

west virginia 16 yes yes.

wisconsin 18 no no.

wyoming 18 yes yes.

* note: some state laws make the age gap less of a crime but still consider it criminal activity that can be prosecuted. where this is the case we have listed 'no'.

** note: in the absence of an affirmative or negative, we have presumed. the answer to be no. also, some states only allow mistake of age above a certain age.

[QUOTE=ResetButton;1634023]Gentlemen,

I'm going to be in Medellin for the first time from 10/19 - 10/24 and am staying at Hotel M. I'm guessing I'm going to spend a lot of time in La Cueva but would like to check out the strip clubs / casas and pull some girls back to my room from there. Are there any organized tours that hit these spots from Hotel M or is my best bet to ask around at the hotel and hopefully find someone willing to show me around?[/QUOTE]

The mansion # 1 has 2 daily offerings, 1 pm (approx.) at the pool ladies gather and are ready for daytime fun. These ladies will negotiate (maybe) and will be more open to BBFS, photos, etc, these ladies are the day crew. That's why many guys never leave the hotel, too much pussy w less wear and tear on the premises.

The casas, especially NL are fuck factories, still a lot of fun but you're on a conveyer belt. Smaller casas like Aifies, Sexy's etc. should be less so but w less talent as well. A few years ago I enjoyed a real beauty for $16 at Sexy's, that's around the corner from NL. The casas have incredible variety, all sizes and flavors, a great convenience, and then you're out the door w a smile on your face.

Back to Hotel M. The night crew at La Cueva are the premier ladies at Hotel M. Some nights are better then others but it's always fun at La Cueva. The ladies will not negotiate from the 150,000 p ST / 300,000p LT pricing.

You can party for hours w them and take one (or two) for ST, a great deal and why the Hotel M is a great (one of a kind) experience.

Some pics of the Poblado Metro Station, El Centro scenes, Maracaibo strip club, real hottie in black (what a face on her), Parque Boliviar, vender, Botero Plaza, the seedy area of El Centro, jail bait included.

[QUOTE=Socker;1634137]The mansion # 1 has 2 daily offerings, 1 pm (approx.) at the pool ladies gather and are ready for daytime fun. These ladies will negotiate (maybe) and will be more open to BBFS, photos, etc, these ladies are the day crew. That's why many guys never leave the hotel, too much pussy w less wear and tear on the premises.

The casas, especially NL are fuck factories, still a lot of fun but you're on a conveyer belt. Smaller casas like Aifies, Sexy's etc. should be less so but w less talent as well. A few years ago I enjoyed a real beauty for $16 at Sexy's, that's around the corner from NL. The casas have incredible variety, all sizes and flavors, a great convenience, and then you're out the door w a smile on your face.

Back to Hotel M. The night crew at La Cueva are the premier ladies at Hotel M. Some nights are better then others but it's always fun at La Cueva. The ladies will not negotiate from the 150,000 p ST / 300,000p LT pricing.

You can party for hours w them and take one (or two) for ST, a great deal and why the Hotel M is a great (one of a kind) experience.

Some pics of the Poblado Metro Station, El Centro scenes, Maracaibo strip club, real hottie in black (what a face on her), Parque Boliviar, vender, Botero Plaza, the seedy area of El Centro, jail bait included.[/QUOTE]In my experience the LT rate (or TLN) is absolutely negotiatable and some may also negotiate the short-time rate depending on the situation. Having said that, 150 K seems to have become almost standard for a 1- or 2-hour hook-up.

[QUOTE=Combo;1634176]In my experience the LT rate (or TLN) is absolutely negotiatable and some may also negotiate the short-time rate depending on the situation.[/QUOTE]This is news to me, thanks.

[QUOTE=Socker;1634405]This is news to me, thanks.[/QUOTE]In 12 stays at the Mansion over the last 5 years, I've never paid close to 300 k for all-night. A few times, I've paid nothing beyond the initial 150 K. Admittedly, I only do it once or twice per visit, so not a huge sample size. Also, I never negotiate TLN before the session. It's generally if the girl and I are getting along really well and we both feel like continuing the session. Or if she's drunk and just feels like crashing and boning in the morning.

IMO negotiating TLN up front (especially if you've never been with the girl) is unwise. If you don't click with the girl (or if you find out her body is not so nice w / o clothes), you've wasted your whole night.

[Quote=LifeIsaBeach; 1634129]This is the USA law:

Many states in the USA have the legal age of consent as low as 16 years of age. A few 17 years and some 18 years of age. The main point in the Federal legal jargon is the word paying. If you are not paying for sex with a person where it is legal to have sex with persons under 18 years, then you have not committed any crimes in that country and the USA.

The Age of Consent really is not the point here. The confusion lies in how you read this law. Legal mumbo-jumbo goes around in circles and is easy to misread if you're not used to reading it. Everyone so far has completely ignored the key term here; "interstate or foreign commerce". If a person is travelling in "foreign commerce", then he or she is going to another country for the purpose of conducting business. Likewise, someone travelling in "interstate commerce" is travelling to another state to conduct some kind of business. Now, with that in mind, lets discuss the 2 parts of this statute.

Part (a) is simple. Anyone who transports a minor (under 18) to another state or country for the purpose of having that person engage in any kind of sexual "business", such as prostitution, has violated this code and committed a crime.

Part (b) is a little more complex but essentially it says that if you travel across state or international lines for the purpose of paying for a sex act (defined in chapter 109 a, subsection 2246, (basically, penetration, oral sex, intercourse)) with a minor (in this case minor may mean under 16 or 18, depending on the specific act), and if the sex act you are paying for is considered a crime under chapter 109 a, subsection 2241-2245 (basically, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url], sexual assault, statutory [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] (under 16)), then you have committed a crime. You are also guilty if you aren't the one travelling but are a conspirator in the crime.[/QUOTE]The Federal government can and will use any law they see fit. Otherwise, prepare to have some million dollar lawyers. Be safe and stick to girls over the age of 18 (paid or not!) and not be like that [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord911][CodeWord911][/url] from Florida that got arrested (another one. Why are they all from Florida?

This was my first scouting trip to MDE.

Only after booking my reservation did I realize why Hotel M (formerly known as Casa Blanca and the Mansion) was offering such a killer $50/ night deal in October. October is one of the months of the rainy season (from the end of September until sometime in November). Apparently, the dry months are April and the first half of mid-May and December, January, and February. The weather forecasts showed rain every single day for the three weeks leading up to my weekend in MDE. Luckily, I learned that unlike my home city, a forecast of 100% chance of thunderstorms means that it will only rain 1-3 hours during the day, and usually not all that hard anyways. So, I was relatively pleased with how the weather turned out in the end.

I arrived in Medellin at an odd time. It turns out that school vacation started that same week, so many people, including many of our young working mothers were home with their kids or leaving to be on vacation with their kids.

When I was there, it seemed that the hotel was about half full, both at M1 and M2, though I'm not really sure about the actual attendance numbers -- just a guess on my part.

As has been reported here often, the customer service of the staff was simply outstanding.

I stayed in Room #9 in M1, the smallest room at M1, downstairs below the kitchen. That room worked fine for a first time, short visit, but I will opt for one of the larger rooms next time. Forget about trying to sleep late in Room 9. As soon as people start showing up to breakfast, their morning conversation and activity will wake you. Next time I return to Hotel M, I will again stay at M1, but I will avoid Room 9 (the smallest), Room 10 (the one right next to the Bar, loud at night), and Rooms 3 and 4 (shared bathroom). All the other rooms at M1 looked appealing enough to me.

I will continue to stay at Hotel M the next few times I venture back to MDE on account of the convenience they offer.

The places people hang out at the hotel are the pool, the bar (at night, starting at 6 pm), the kitchen, and the sofas in the lobby area. During the day, you can sometimes find guys sitting by the pool area or in the lobby, waiting on someone or just sitting around. At night around 6 pm, people start showing up in the bar downstairs.

I was quite unimpressed with the chica talent level at Hotel M. On the other hand, the service levels of the Hotel M chicas were quite outstanding compared to the chicas found at the MDE clubs. Granted, I wasn't there during full swing of the place and I am fairly picky, but I'the say during my whole 3 night stay, I only saw 2-3 girls I wanted to go to the room with. I heard from other guys that chica attendance was lower than usual the days I was there. On their busiest night I was there, I probably saw about 8 chicas in the bar.

The breakfast at the hotel was made to order but quite unimpressive and plain. Still, it was a nice time to hang out with the guys in the morning before heading out.

The hotel also has about 30-40 food menus from which you can order out food. The hotel conveniently helps you order and pay for your food, which is conveniently delivered via taxi.

Before this trip, I read a lot about chicas not showing up on time, always being late, or whatever. I didn't have to worry about this since I simply drew from the chicas already available at the hotel, but I always wondered why guys don't simply incentive their chicas to show up on time with bonus payments? If you want your chica to show up on time, why don't you just text her that you'll throw her an extra 100 k if she shows up before 4 pm or 50 k before 4:30 pm, or simply the agreed upon price if she shows up after 4:30 pm? (or whatever prices you think appropriate). Seems to me that a little extra cash would be a real motivator. I haven't tried this but if I wanted to decrease the probability of chicas wasting my limited valuable vacation time, that's the first thought that pops into my head.

One thing I learned running around the city is that you absolutely MUST have the addresses of the places you want to go with you. Simply saying the names of the famous places in town like Energy, La Isla, etc is not enough for the taxis to get you there. Apparently, almost all taxis need a real address. Surprisingly, they don't already know where all our favorite places are. I suppose people must hire taxis in MDE to go to places other than our favorite places. LOL.

Places I visited:

La Isla. Night club. Visited three nights in a row. If you like European girls (like me), then this place has the highest concentration of girls who would do very well even in a German FKK (where I usually go). Very nice talent here at La Isla, easily the best line-up out of anywhere I visited in MDE. Also, one of the most expensive. Prices here almost rival that of the German FKKs but with a generally lower service level (CBJ is standard here and I found kissing to be less prevalent). This place doesn't really get hopping until around 9 or 10 pm or so. I found it pretty busy on Thursday night and Friday night but not busy at all on Saturday night. When I asked why this place wasn't busy on Saturday night like the previous nights, one of my girls explained to me that all the men are with their novias on Saturday night. So, I suppose Weekdays in Colombia are for fucking prostitutes whereas Saturday is reserved for going out with your girlfriend. How nice. Anyways, more working girls for me on Saturday night. I spent quite a bit of time at La Isla with a super cute little petite spinner (4 ft 10 inches incredible little package). At one point in the night, all of the meseros were teasing her about how "rico" she must be making love in bed because I kept taking her to the room over and over and over again.

Club Info: Kilometer 5 Via Las Palmas K28 and Las Palmas. 20 Dancers. Cover 20 k. Tel: 216 58 66. Closes at 3 am. [URL]https://www.facebook.com/laisla.club.37[/URL]. Price: Onsite is 250 K for 50 minutes.

Fase Dos (II).

This club is smaller than La Isla. Not as many chicas and talent level not as high as La Isla but cheaper. I only stopped in for about 20 minutes for a drink with a buddy here on a Friday night just to check the place out. Still, on a Friday night, the club was pretty full and I saw at least 3 chicas I would have went to the room with had I had the time.

Club Info: Carrera 44 # 30-27, behind the Premium Plaza Shopping Center. 30-40 Chicas. [URL]http://www.clubfasedos.com/[/URL].

FASE II (Dos) = Cover 20 k, Beer, 16 k, Chicas 180 k with their South Beach Hostel rooms next door. Tel: 232 18 78. Hours: 7 pm to 4 am.

Daytime Casas I visited: Energy, Blue Room (4), and Loutron. Picked up a buddy one day from our hotel and hit a few daytime casas. Unfortunately, like I mentioned earlier, because it was a vacation week, chica attendance was down in the daytime casas, I suspect, due to a lot of chicas wanting to be with their kids during school vacation.

Energy. About 10 chicas, none who were to my liking. Keep in mind that I'm pretty picky.

Oddly, Blue Room only had 4 chicas, again, none to my liking. My buddy who was with me said that they had a ton of chicas when HE visited this place before on another prior trip so HE found it odd that they only had 4 chicas on that day.

Loutron. Very nice-looking place out in the middle of nowhere. Massive, beautiful mansion. Girls are 250,000 for one hour. Line-up was around 12 chicas if my memory serves correctly. 10 of them I had no interest in (again, I am very picky), but two of them interested me. One was quite doable (Sara). And the other one who interested me was named Sophia. Sophia was absolutely perfect looking, tight little petite body, blond, 20 years old, just amazing looking. She's the sort of girl I would pounce on at any German FKK (where I do most of my mongering). As it turns out, she was quite inexperienced (reported that she's been working there only about 2 months). I didn't appreciate her fake moaning. When we eventually got to fucking, I really enjoyed myself with her though, and in the end, was left satisfied. The thing I don't like about Loutron is that they have this whole routine they do that starts with a bullshit massage with massage oil routine to waste time. I hate that massage oil shit. Tough to wash off, feels gross to me but whatever.

I asked my girl how much of the 250 k the girls keep. She refused to disclose the amount, explaining that she's not allowed to reveal that. So, I knew that meant that it was probably a shockingly low percentage. My buddy asked the same question to his girl HE went with and she was more forthcoming. According to his girl, the girls only get 30% of the 250 k!

The next day, my buddy went with a local tour operator [URL]Medellinpaisa.com[/URL] for a casa run with another guest from the hotel. HE reported finding a "diamond in the rough" over at New Life who would rival that Sophia chica I met at Loutron. It's too bad I didn't have the time to head out there myself on my last day in town due to a pending afternoon appointment at the hotel.

My subjective rankings compared to a couple of other mongering destinations.

Overall, I would rank the casas and night clubs in MDE lower in service levels compared to my experiences in the German FKKs, but on the other hand, MDE does have some lower price options than the German FKKs. I found the service levels of the Hotel M chicas to rival that of the German FKKs, while the MDE Hotel M chicas had a huge price advantage over the German FKKs.

Comparing the casas and night clubs in MDE to the Hong Kong club in Tijuana, Mexico, I would say that the chicas in MDE overall beat the Tijuana girls in looks but both are comparable in service levels. For me, price levels at Hong Kong club in Tijuana were quite similar to the price levels at La Isla.

Next time I head to MDE, I will be interested to see the then-current talent at Hotel M, will revisit both La Isla and Fase Dos, and will definitely make time for Casa runs like New Life since I missed those casas this time around.

Great report Ultra!

I experienced the FKKs for the first time this Summer and had a blast. Definitely something every monger should try once. I love MDE, but if one is used to the FKK experience, you'll find nothing like that. Outside of the FKKs in Germany, have you tried out Sao Paulo, Brasil? Probably the one place I can think of with both high quality and quantity of beautiful girls. But very expensive. Thailand also has numbers and quality if you are into Asians.

I'm thinking your timing in MDE wasn't ideal. The Mansion can be pretty damn good, but it definitely goes through up-and down- phases.

And the school calendar seems to have affected your other sources of talent.

If you weren't that impressed with la Isla and Loutron, you are definitely picky! I'm fairly picky myself, but those two places are usually pretty top shelf.

I doubt you'll find much to your liking in New Life, though there can be "diamonds in the rough" there as well as in the other Centro casas. And given that cost doesn't seem to be an issue for you, it might not be worth your time.

Thanks for your report and give MDE another try in the High Season.

[QUOTE=UltraHappy;1634891]This was my first scouting trip to MDE.

I was quite unimpressed with the chica talent level at Hotel M. On the other hand, the service levels of the Hotel M chicas were quite outstanding compared to the chicas found at the MDE clubs. Granted, I wasn't there during full swing of the place and I am fairly picky, but I'the say during my whole 3 night stay, I only saw 2-3 girls I wanted to go to the room with. I heard from other guys that chica attendance was lower than usual the days I was there. On their busiest night I was there, I probably saw about 8 chicas in the bar.

T.[/QUOTE]I think you went around a bad time. Its Rain Season so alot of chicas might just choice to stay home especially if they know The Mansion is half full or damn near empty. You can find some pretty good stunners at The Mansion.

[QUOTE=Hioctane;1634474]The federal government can and will use any law they see fit. Otherwise, prepare to have some million dollar lawyers. Be safe and stick to girls over the age of 18 (paid or not!) and not be like that [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord911][CodeWord911][/url] from Florida that got arrested (another one. Why are they all from Florida?[/QUOTE]They can but they will lose the cases. The Law cannot be changed unless Congress changes it. I just stated the USA laws that apply to USA Citizens and Alien Residents anywhere. You have to use your judgment as the laws are stated. I think FL Miami is where there are many flights to Latin America. They do arrest [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord915][CodeWord915][/url] in San Francisco and Los Angeles too. These folks are into children well below 14 years of age. They are breaking laws everywhere and should be arrested. The Feds main interest is the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord914][CodeWord914][/url] and rarely do they chase folks having legal age sex. The Feds know every [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord911][CodeWord911][/url] and the sites the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord915][CodeWord915][/url] use and track them.

Did anyone else hear anything about this flight today?

I sat in the first row of the JetBlue flight that left at 7:15 AM & saw AA924 taxiing to takeoff position as we were on our way out. We were about halfway into the flight to FLL when the Jetblue flight attendant (FA) told me and the CO passengers on both sides of me plus 2nd row that AA924 had to make an emergency landing in Kingston due to "rapid depressurization". FA telling us I'm sure what was told to him by the Captain, FO and jump seat pilot that the AA pilots had to don their oxygen masks in 3 seconds or they would blackout and then they needed to nosedive down to 10 K ft. In just 15 sec. From 38 K ft. All pretty scary but does appear true.

When I landed in FLL I immediately searched the web for any info. And could not find anything. Later this evening still no info. Out on the web, even the Kingston news. However I did verify and printout where AA924 did land in Kingston when normally doesn't and is still delayed. I just checked AAs timetable and zero stops between MDE and MIA. Why would a plane full of mostly Colombianos and a few Gringos make a regular landing in Kingston??

This could be what it is however since no media coverage (possibly due to Ebola coverage 24/7) just not newsworthy enough. Or could the rapid depressurization quite possibly be due to a terroristic incident? If so may not even be organic (I. E. Internal cartel and guerrilla). I have been seeing more "moros" as of late down there in CO and perhaps they have some type of radical moro group setup. Whatever the case if it was a explosion thinking it had to be an inside job since the security hand inspected each and every item of my checked bag thoroughly twice.

On the mongering experiences I had there will report more later in the week but did New life twice (one good (Katerine) & one mediocre (Maria Jose), did Energy once with Ani (a nice Buenaventura black bunny who provided excellent service), and once in Dulce Compania (good experience with 19 year old Laura).

Regarding the fireworks I discussed previous tread I found out last Mon. Was a festival going on (DIA de la Raza).

Also regarding the prescription medication issues I had I ended up at Clinica Las Vegas where I had a very thorough consultation with a licensed "Shrink" who prescribed what I needed. Just only set me back $120 USA Plus another $120 for the meds. At the Las Vegas Clinic.

Xanax is very definitely a controlled drug and cost the same for 30-1 MG tablets wherever I asked ($60 USA). Plus you need in addition to the Doctor's Rx a separate control form in triplicate that was provided free of charge with the $120 Dr. Consultation fee (how nice of them). But I didn't really need the Xanax, just some muscle relaxant. I took the Xanax Rx since Dr. Offered it and I paying him $120 USA for a legal medical consultation.

As mentioned before and verified 7 X they do not legally sell Soma (Carisprodol) in CO but do they offer other alternatives which are meds also prescribed in USA For patients with seizures / Epilepsy. They offer the same result for those with skeletal-muscular injuries with much less addiction potential. One drug that makes you kinda sleep is Sirdalud (Tizandine) and is much better drug since is not a control drug in USA Or CO but does the job. Do shop around however as Clinica Las Vegas robbed me for $60 when I could of got in an El Centro pharmacy OTC legally for only $16!!

Also when I walked to Energy that one fine afternoon I saw an Orthopedic clinic that I thinking could legally consult and write the Rx for much less than the shrink. I not a big drugger but when have legitimate issues is nice to find honest prices and so wanted to document all this for the brethren here who help very much with solid updated monger gouge.

I like it the juicy poosy very much I like it a lot. Espec. Hand maturbating Ani all I wanted!! She could take it all the beautiful tight hard bodied sista. Thank you all!

Not been big into this myself, but a buddy is coming with me to Medellin next month and was asking if anyone knows of any girls in Medellin that do [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord100][CodeWord100][/url] ([url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord137][CodeWord137][/url])? HE does this kind of stuff in asia where I guess girls are more open minded.

If anyone knows of any girls that do this kind of stuff please private message me.

[QUOTE=Superboy1;1634975]Not been big into this myself, but a buddy is coming with me to Medellin next month and was asking if anyone knows of any girls in Medellin that do [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord100][CodeWord100][/url] ([url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord137][CodeWord137][/url])? HE does this kind of stuff in asia where I guess girls are more open minded.

If anyone knows of any girls that do this kind of stuff please private message me.[/QUOTE]Instead of trying to find girls for him, or is it really you?. You should try seeking psychological help for him, as obviously the person wanting this is a a sick with serious mental issues.

[QUOTE=CocrBrotheler;1634935]Did anyone else hear anything about this flight today?
[/QUOTE]Here I read a somehow different story. Not so much thrill.

[URL]http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage-pre-merger/1621718-aa-924-diverted-cabin-depressurization.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1635077]Here I read a somehow different story. Not so much thrill.

[URL]http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage-pre-merger/1621718-aa-924-diverted-cabin-depressurization.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Yes I just seeing this now. Not as rapid a decent as the JetBlue FA led us PAX to believe.

[QUOTE=UltraHappy;1634891]My subjective rankings compared to a couple of other mongering destinations.

Overall, I would rank the casas and night clubs in MDE lower in service levels compared to my experiences in the German FKKs, but on the other hand, MDE does have some lower price options than the German FKKs. I found the service levels of the Hotel M chicas to rival that of the German FKKs, while the MDE Hotel M chicas had a huge price advantage over the German FKKs.

Comparing the casas and night clubs in MDE to the Hong Kong club in Tijuana, Mexico, I would say that the chicas in MDE overall beat the Tijuana girls in looks but both are comparable in service levels. For me, price levels at Hong Kong club in Tijuana were quite similar to the price levels at La Isla.

Next time I head to MDE, I will be interested to see the then-current talent at Hotel M, will revisit both La Isla and Fase Dos, and will definitely make time for Casa runs like New Life since I missed those casas this time around.[/QUOTE]I love the FKK as well, but there are no reasonable LT options in Germany. I would love to be able to mix up a FKK with LT options like in Colombia.

I went to Hong Kong in March. I don't think we went to the same club because the pricing was nowhere similar. La Isla is 250 k ($121) for an hour (not even sure it's a complete hour) whereas Hong Kong is about $50-60 for half an hour. I guess if you double the rate it is similar, however, I always consider the lowest rate regardless of time. I always choose the lowest time possible and if I want longer, I invite them back to my place. Service levels are a bit different IMO. Colombians are hotter, but in Tijuana. After talking with the girls for 10 minutes, their tongue was already down my throat! You won't get that in Colombia! Also in Tijuana it was hard getting BBBJ, even with an attempted tip. Colombia is a little bit better in that regard. A mixed bag.

About Hotel M, just so you know. Every time they offer $50 rooms, it is low season. There will be less girls. Girls tend to know when it's low season and stay away.

[QUOTE=LifeIsABeach;1634930]They can but they will lose the cases. The Law cannot be changed unless Congress changes it. I just stated the USA laws that apply to USA Citizens and Alien Residents anywhere. You have to use your judgment as the laws are stated. I think FL Miami is where there are many flights to Latin America. They do arrest [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord915][CodeWord915][/url] in San Francisco and Los Angeles too. These folks are into children well below 14 years of age. They are breaking laws everywhere and should be arrested. The Feds main interest is the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord914][CodeWord914][/url] and rarely do they chase folks having legal age sex. The Feds know every [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord911][CodeWord911][/url] and the sites the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord915][CodeWord915][/url] use and track them.[/QUOTE][URL]http://www.justice.gov/criminal/ceos/subjectareas/child-sex-tourism.html[/URL]

Ederal law prohibits an American citizen or resident to travel to a foreign country with intent to engage in any form of sexual conduct with a minor (defined as persons under 18 years of age).

[QUOTE=SanTe;1635281][URL]http://www.justice.gov/criminal/ceos/subjectareas/child-sex-tourism.html[/URL]

Federal law prohibits an American citizen or resident to travel to a foreign country with intent to engage in any form of sexual conduct with a minor (defined as persons under 18 years of age).[/QUOTE]Not so fast. Your link was helpful in pointing us to the actual USC code.

18 USC 2423 does not prohibit "any form of sexual conduct with a minor". Instead, it prohibits "illicit sexual conduct" in foreign countries with minors (or traveling to a foreign country with an intent to engage in "illicit sexual conduct".

What is "illicit sexual conduct" you ask? For this, we must look to the definition of "illicit sexual conduct" in 18 USC 2423 (f), which provides:

(1) it has to be a violation of Ch. 109 A with a person under 18, or.

(2) a commercial sex act with someone under 18.

What are violations of Chapter 109 A you ask? Chapter 109 A has been codified in the United States Code as 18 USC 2241 and following. Here is one link: [URL]http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/STATUTE-100/pdf/STATUTE-100-Pg3660.pdf[/URL].

Chapter 109 A violations are things like Aggravated Sexual Abuse, Sexual Abuse, etc. You have to read each section under 109 A to understand what constitutes violations under that chapter, but it's stuff like forcing someone to have sex with violence or threat of violence or having sex with a kid 15 or younger (in other words who hasn't yet attained the age of 16).

So, in brief summary, if you aren't paying for it and if you aren't engaging in any Chapter 109 A violations, I don't see any violation of these provisions.

Just returned from a quick 3 day trip to MDE. Without going into llong details, and just offering a general observation the woman in Medellin are just absolutely gorgeous. It had been about a year since I was last in Medellin and I forgot just how pretty the girls are. I am talking about the girls in the mall, resteraunts, walking around the streets. Just plain beauty.

As far as the clubs go, San Diego, Luna Lunera, La Isla and Face 2 there was some talent but, the prices seem to have been really out of wack this trip. I was quoted $300, $400 and $500 for take out. Seems much higher than I remember.

Also, just from talking with the girls there was not going to be any GFE.

I will definitely be going back to Medellin in the future as the city and woman are great but, I need to try another tactic other than the overpriced clubs.

[QUOTE=Mfins;1635295]Just returned from a quick 3 day trip to MDE. Without going into llong details, and just offering a general observation the woman in Medellin are just absolutely gorgeous. It had been about a year since I was last in Medellin and I forgot just how pretty the girls are. I am talking about the girls in the mall, resteraunts, walking around the streets. Just plain beauty.

As far as the clubs go, San Diego, Luna Lunera, La Isla and Face 2 there was some talent but, the prices seem to have been really out of wack this trip. I was quoted $300, $400 and $500 for take out. Seems much higher than I remember.

Also, just from talking with the girls there was not going to be any GFE.

I will definitely be going back to Medellin in the future as the city and woman are great but, I need to try another tactic other than the overpriced clubs.[/QUOTE]I was just there couple of weeks ago. Did at least 8 take outs and no one quoted those prices. I agree that prices went up and I reported as such but not these. Are you sure you did not misunderstand "tres cientos mil" as $300 USD? I typically paid 300,000 to 350,000 for 8's and 9's. That is less than $200 (still a bit more than it used to be).

On a side note, I am currently in Buenos Aires. This place is on a fire sale due to peso devaluation and quality is equally amazing as Medellin and way more quantity. If there is interest, I can post a comparison in the General thread.

[QUOTE=OldParr;1634980]Instead of trying to find girls for him, or is it really you?. You should try seeking psychological help for him, as obviously the person wanting this is a a sick with serious mental issues.[/QUOTE]Calm down. The way I see it is that HE is not harming anyone with his fetish. 'Everyone to there own' as they say.

Ultra Happy: Very good report. I monger in MDE quite a bit I monger more in Germany. I know what you are talking about and agree. Re late arrivals, please don't offer them money to be on time. That is laid back Latin american culture and we learn to live with it. What I do though, is always ask them to come 30 minutes to an hour before you really want them to come. How far ahead I ask her to come depends where she lives and if she is planning on taking a taxi or metro taxi combo. In four years of doing this, only once was the girl waiting for me at my apartment before I got there as she was only 30 minutes late (and I guessed 1 HR). Interestingly she did not care. She understood and said I am turning into a Colombian. Also, you are right on about Slow Saturdays at the chica clubs. The regular discos are happening though. Next time, fix up a girl from earlier nights to go out on Saturday night. That is what I do and it is crazy party scene. Even if you don't, the girls know where to go.

HiOctane: you hit the nail on the head. I love FKKs but no reasonably priced LT options. I have recently figured out how to make my own parties in NRW FKKs and that has been great but still costs way more money. Also, managed to meet a few FKK girls outside of work but mucho dinero.

Cocr Brotheler: Dude, clinica Vegas sounds like a rip off. $160 for doc appointment? Thanks for reporting.

I love Medellin.

[QUOTE=Vitrea;1635328]Ultra Happy: Very good report. I monger in MDE quite a bit I monger more in Germany. I know what you are talking about and agree. Re late arrivals, please don't offer them money to be on time. That is laid back Latin american culture and we learn to live with it. What I do though, is always ask them to come 30 minutes to an hour before you really want them to come. How far ahead I ask her to come depends where she lives and if she is planning on taking a taxi or metro taxi combo. In four years of doing this, only once was the girl waiting for me at my apartment before I got there as she was only 30 minutes late (and I guessed 1 HR). Interestingly she did not care. She understood and said I am turning into a Colombian. Also, you are right on about Slow Saturdays at the chica clubs. The regular discos are happening though. Next time, fix up a girl from earlier nights to go out on Saturday night. That is what I do and it is crazy party scene. Even if you don't, the girls know where to go.

HiOctane: you hit the nail on the head. I love FKKs but no reasonably priced LT options. I have recently figured out how to make my own parties in NRW FKKs and that has been great but still costs way more money. Also, managed to meet a few FKK girls outside of work but mucho dinero.

Cocr Brotheler: Dude, clinica Vegas sounds like a rip off. $160 for doc appointment? Thanks for reporting.

I love Medellin.[/QUOTE]Great advice. I've learned to do the same thing. If I want chica A to come over at 7 PM, I tell her 6:30 PM and on average it works out about right.

Spent the week here in Medellin with some great guys from the States as the tour guy, fun times! But when they decided to take a side trip to Cartagena I said count me out as I have a home on Baru in the Rosarios and go there some 8 to 10 times a year. Well, I warned them about the Scams, the Hustlers, the over priceds, and all the Rip off artist that prey on the flesh of the tourist by over pricing everything from Taxi to rides to Fake watches, to beach massages! And they found them all, at dinner last night to get a update on the trip I now feel ashamed I let them go alone. They were Lambs to the slaughter, they were ripped off by a fake tour guide who called himself, Johnny the Fixer' beware this guy is trouble! He told them there was only a tip needed to secure his services for 3 hours, when in fact HE was demanded 400.00 USA when the night was over and told them HE would call his Police friends if they didn't pay up, all the while my American friends had treated him to dinner, drinks in the clubs, and taxi rides all over town. He told them he was the one responsible for the Secret Service shake down and worked as an informant! This guy is bad news A to Z,when he arranged some girls to meet the guys they gave a Gringo price of 100 USA per hour, 1 guy agreed and took her to the hotel for some action, when HE finished she demanded 200 USA, he politely told her the price they agreed to was 100,she then said but I sat with you in the Bar for and hour too, She also made the Police threat, my friend told her go ahead. She had on speed dial 2 Cops and they showed up in 3 minutes at the Club and demanded HE pay her for her work or face going to Jail for assault! As a veteran of Colombia for 10 years I know first hand the horror the Colombian people can bring down on a otherwise great vacation place! The only trouble I have had in my 10 years in Colombia was in Cartagena, camera stolen, sandals ripped off, price gouged on beach massage, money stolen, all in Cartagena. I am no longer the 'No thanks' kind American tourist when I must over night there in route to Baru, I am a rude MFKR when I deal with the natives of Cartagena, I warn everyone who goes there, Buyer Beware' Cartagena.

[QUOTE=Vitrea;1635312]I was just there couple of weeks ago. Did at least 8 take outs and no one quoted those prices. I agree that prices went up and I reported as such but not these. Are you sure you did not misunderstand "tres cientos mil" as $300 USD? I typically paid 300,000 to 350,000 for 8's and 9's. That is less than $200 (still a bit more than it used to be).

On a side note, I am currently in Buenos Aires. This place is on a fire sale due to peso devaluation and quality is equally amazing as Medellin and way more quantity. If there is interest, I can post a comparison in the General thread.[/QUOTE]First let me say Gracias to the last few posters with their reports and for getting us off of the legal mumbo jumbo and what not.

I agree with Vitrea: I've never been quoted a price in USD I think the guy might have been mistaken. 300 K COP is the high end chicka and 400-600 K is what I've heard the Audio Car and Model chicas go for. I don't swim in that deep of water or care for the model looking type so just reporting what my buddies like.

At Vitrea please do report on a BA x Med. I loved my three trips to BA during and after college. It got me into mongering. The selection and quality is amazing especially if you like lighter skinned girls. Full juicy details please on how the scene in BA is right now with tips on Privados and Clubs por favor!

[QUOTE=SlamCity7777;1635469]First let me say Gracias to the last few posters with their reports and for getting us off of the legal mumbo jumbo and what not.

I agree with Vitrea: I've never been quoted a price in USD I think the guy might have been mistaken. 300 K COP is the high end chicka and 400-600 K is what I've heard the Audio Car and Model chicas go for. I don't swim in that deep of water or care for the model looking type so just reporting what my buddies like.

At Vitrea please do report on a BA x Med. I loved my three trips to BA during and after college. It got me into mongering. The selection and quality is amazing especially if you like lighter skinned girls. Full juicy details please on how the scene in BA is right now with tips on Privados and Clubs por favor![/QUOTE]Good warning.

Cartagena, being the toursit capital, is full of scammers like you say.

I have fun there, and there's lots of fun to be had.

I've been around a while too, so I know when and where and what to avoid and run and when I'm being taken.

Thanks for the general heads up.

[QUOTE=Ricker;1635560]Good warning.

Cartagena, being the toursit capital, is full of scammers like you say.

I have fun there, and there's lots of fun to be had.

I've been around a while too, so I know when and where and what to avoid and run and when I'm being taken.

Thanks for the general heads up.[/QUOTE]I think Ricker meant to quote Jchipper's Cartagena rip-off post.

[QUOTE=Jchipper;1635462]Spent the week here in Medellin with some great guys from the States as the tour guy, fun times! But when they decided to take a side trip to Cartagena I said count me out as I have a home on Baru in the Rosarios and go there some 8 to 10 times a year. Well, I warned them about the Scams, the Hustlers, the over priceds, and all the Rip off artist that prey on the flesh of the tourist by over pricing everything from Taxi to rides to Fake watches, to beach massages! And they found them all, at dinner last night to get a update on the trip I now feel ashamed I let them go alone. They were Lambs to the slaughter, they were ripped off by a fake tour guide who called himself, Johnny the Fixer' beware this guy is trouble! He told them there was only a tip needed to secure his services for 3 hours, when in fact HE was demanded 400.00 USA when the night was over and told them HE would call his Police friends if they didn't pay up, all the while my American friends had treated him to dinner, drinks in the clubs, and taxi rides all over town. He told them he was the one responsible for the Secret Service shake down and worked as an informant! This guy is bad news A to Z,when he arranged some girls to meet the guys they gave a Gringo price of 100 USA per hour, 1 guy agreed and took her to the hotel for some action, when HE finished she demanded 200 USA, he politely told her the price they agreed to was 100,she then said but I sat with you in the Bar for and hour too, She also made the Police threat, my friend told her go ahead. She had on speed dial 2 Cops and they showed up in 3 minutes at the Club and demanded HE pay her for her work or face going to Jail for assault! As a veteran of Colombia for 10 years I know first hand the horror the Colombian people can bring down on a otherwise great vacation place! The only trouble I have had in my 10 years in Colombia was in Cartagena, camera stolen, sandals ripped off, price gouged on beach massage, money stolen, all in Cartagena. I am no longer the 'No thanks' kind American tourist when I must over night there in route to Baru, I am a rude MFKR when I deal with the natives of Cartagena, I warn everyone who goes there, Buyer Beware' Cartagena.[/QUOTE]Agree that CTG is nearly not as friendly as MDE but that is true with many tourist destinations and more so in developing countries. I have had friends that were scammed in Vegas, NY and even in New Orleans. I was scammed too in my naive days. You live and learn. If you let them take you, they will. I would not entirely write off CTG though. I have been there many times and I have a great time every single time. Bit more expensive but different. NEVER ever talk to a tout. If you need info, that is what these forums are for. Spend some time reading the forums before you go to any monger destination and be a DIY monger.

I am shocked to see how many guys spends thousands of $$$ on plane tickets and hotels but don't do any research. Most depend on Taxi drivers and touts for information.

[QUOTE=Vitrea;1635622]I think Ricker meant to quote Jchipper's Cartagena rip-off post.[/QUOTE]Whoops!!

I sure did, thanks!!

[QUOTE=Vitrea;1635312]I was just there couple of weeks ago. Did at least 8 take outs and no one quoted those prices. I agree that prices went up and I reported as such but not these. Are you sure you did not misunderstand "tres cientos mil" as $300 USD? I typically paid 300,000 to 350,000 for 8's and 9's. That is less than $200 (still a bit more than it used to be).

On a side note, I am currently in Buenos Aires. This place is on a fire sale due to peso devaluation and quality is equally amazing as Medellin and way more quantity. If there is interest, I can post a comparison in the General thread.[/QUOTE]I would love the hear about Buenos Aires. I really want to go there. Only thing that stops me is the 11 hour plane ride from Florida.

The quotes I received were for TLN. Not just one hour. However, for one Girl TLN was only 4 hours.

At San Diego the girl told me just the bar fine was $150.00 plus $250 for her. At Fase 2 I was quoted $400 for TLN by one girl and $300 by another. My friend had a girl that was about a 6 or 7 offer $200 for TLN but, HE declined.

Usually when a girl starts off that high in price it completely turns me off and I do not even feel like negotiating it down. In my experience when a girl starts quoting high numbers and starts mentioning time limits and counting hours I just move onto something else and do not even counter with a price. Those girls tend to be the biggest clock watchers and the ones that have too many rules in bed.

[QUOTE=SlamCity7777;1635469]First let me say Gracias to the last few posters with their reports and for getting us off of the legal mumbo jumbo and what not.

I agree with Vitrea: I've never been quoted a price in USD I think the guy might have been mistaken. 300 K COP is the high end chicka and 400-600 K is what I've heard the Audio Car and Model chicas go for. I don't swim in that deep of water or care for the model looking type so just reporting what my buddies like.

At Vitrea please do report on a BA x Med. I loved my three trips to BA during and after college. It got me into mongering. The selection and quality is amazing especially if you like lighter skinned girls. Full juicy details please on how the scene in BA is right now with tips on Privados and Clubs por favor![/QUOTE]I was quoted in COP but, I am just converting to dollars to make it easier.

The bar fine alone I was told at San Diego was 300,000 pesos. Which either went up tremendously or was a flat out lie by the girls because last year I was able to pull a girl TLN for 300,000 total including bar fine.

Maybe I just picked the wrong girls this time or something. Not sure.

I really am not one to argue over $100 and if the girl was super friendly and i get a good vibe from the girl I would happily pay $400.00 because I know I am going to have a great time but, when these girls are all business and are looking at there watch and quoting extremely high prices its a huge turn off. If they were smart they would at least pretend to like me and call me handsome and make me feel like they want me. I am not nieve and I know it is a game but, it just seems like the colombian girls in Panama or Colombia or wherever are too damn profesional. Someone should go down there and teach them to play the game a little more.. They could make more money and get more clients..

Maybe I will stay at the Mansion. My only reluctance is and please no one take offence to this but it seems like beginner or rookie mongering to me and I like a bit of a challenge. Kind of like going to an exotic vacation place and staying at a sandals or breezes and never leaving the resort to experience the culture.

[QUOTE=Mfins;1635682]I would love the hear about Buenos Aires. I really want to go there. Only thing that stops me is the 11 hour plane ride from Florida.

The quotes I received were for TLN. Not just one hour. However, for one Girl TLN was only 4 hours.

At San Diego the girl told me just the bar fine was $150.00 plus $250 for her. At Fase 2 I was quoted $400 for TLN by one girl and $300 by another. My friend had a girl that was about a 6 or 7 offer $200 for TLN but, HE declined.

Usually when a girl starts off that high in price it completely turns me off and I do not even feel like negotiating it down. In my experience when a girl starts quoting high numbers and starts mentioning time limits and counting hours I just move onto something else and do not even counter with a price. Those girls tend to be the biggest clock watchers and the ones that have too many rules in bed.[/QUOTE]No offense, but you must have one naive-looking face to be quoted prices that high!

You're right -- if a girl asks for that much right off the bat, it's a turn-off. Because they either think I'm a fool or they are going to be overly professional and a clock watcher.

Never had a problem in Cartagena that wasn't my own fault.

[QUOTE=Jchipper;1635462]Spent the week here in Medellin with some great guys from the States as the tour guy, fun times! But when they decided to take a side trip to Cartagena I said count me out as I have a home on Baru in the Rosarios and go there some 8 to 10 times a year. Well, I warned them about the Scams, the Hustlers, the over priceds, and all the Rip off artist that prey on the flesh of the tourist by over pricing everything from Taxi to rides to Fake watches, to beach massages! And they found them all, at dinner last night to get a update on the trip I now feel ashamed I let them go alone. They were Lambs to the slaughter, they were ripped off by a fake tour guide who called himself, Johnny the Fixer' beware this guy is trouble! He told them there was only a tip needed to secure his services for 3 hours, when in fact HE was demanded 400.00 USA when the night was over and told them HE would call his Police friends if they didn't pay up, all the while my American friends had treated him to dinner, drinks in the clubs, and taxi rides all over town. He told them he was the one responsible for the Secret Service shake down and worked as an informant! This guy is bad news A to Z,when he arranged some girls to meet the guys they gave a Gringo price of 100 USA per hour, 1 guy agreed and took her to the hotel for some action, when HE finished she demanded 200 USA, he politely told her the price they agreed to was 100,she then said but I sat with you in the Bar for and hour too, She also made the Police threat, my friend told her go ahead. She had on speed dial 2 Cops and they showed up in 3 minutes at the Club and demanded HE pay her for her work or face going to Jail for assault! As a veteran of Colombia for 10 years I know first hand the horror the Colombian people can bring down on a otherwise great vacation place! The only trouble I have had in my 10 years in Colombia was in Cartagena, camera stolen, sandals ripped off, price gouged on beach massage, money stolen, all in Cartagena. I am no longer the 'No thanks' kind American tourist when I must over night there in route to Baru, I am a rude MFKR when I deal with the natives of Cartagena, I warn everyone who goes there, Buyer Beware' Cartagena.[/QUOTE]

I was happy with finding girls rite in parke lleras at restaurants. I didn't go to one strip club or working girl house and had a ball. Plenty of party favors girls and drinking. Only thing is I am not into those mountains. I like a beach. They were gorgeous. I will go back but not regularly. The trip over all was very inexpensive.

[QUOTE=Mfins;1635295]Just returned from a quick 3 day trip to MDE. Without going into llong details, and just offering a general observation the woman in Medellin are just absolutely gorgeous. It had been about a year since I was last in Medellin and I forgot just how pretty the girls are. I am talking about the girls in the mall, resteraunts, walking around the streets. Just plain beauty.

As far as the clubs go, San Diego, Luna Lunera, La Isla and Face 2 there was some talent but, the prices seem to have been really out of wack this trip. I was quoted $300, $400 and $500 for take out. Seems much higher than I remember.

Also, just from talking with the girls there was not going to be any GFE.

I will definitely be going back to Medellin in the future as the city and woman are great but, I need to try another tactic other than the overpriced clubs.[/QUOTE]

Hi everyone,

I'll be in Medellin first time from Oct. 30 - Nov. 4. I'm a big hobbyist of FKKs. I speak nil Spanish which I know will be a major disadvantage. Tried to book at M1 and M2 since last week, all the rooms are booked for all those days. I will be staying at an apartment in publado.

Upon suggestions, I'm trying Facebook but not really easy either and no guarantees. I looked at the casas and strip club maps but not sure where to really go. I am a little bit picky.

GFE such as DFK, BBBJ, and DATY are a must. I like my girls looking like the playboy or pornstar type. I prefer silicone tits and ass but if she doesn't have that and she's hot, I'll go for it.

I need to have a plan for both daytime and nighttime. With these thoughts in mind and my preference:

1. What are the casas I should visit for this.

2. What are the strip clubs for this?

3. If you do have direct links for the girls or recommendations on particular girls, I would highly appreciate it if you can PM me. I've been working hard to prepare for 1 month but again it seems challenging.

The help would be enormous guys. You can PM me anytime guys.

I am willing to help out if you are in the US, Canada, or Germany.

Thank You again.

[QUOTE=Combo;1635822]No offense, but you must have one naive-looking face to be quoted prices that high!

You're right -- if a girl asks for that much right off the bat, it's a turn-off. Because they either think I'm a fool or they are going to be overly professional and a clock watcher.[/QUOTE]I was drinking and spending a lot of money on drinks. They probably thought I was stupid, it was my first go around, or probably just starting really high figuring I would negotiate down. Either way it was almost insulting, a turn off and showed me right of the bat that I was not going to take that girl.

[QUOTE=Mfins;1635682]I would love the hear about Buenos Aires. I really want to go there. Only thing that stops me is the 11 hour plane ride from Florida.

The quotes I received were for TLN. Not just one hour. However, for one Girl TLN was only 4 hours.

At San Diego the girl told me just the bar fine was $150.00 plus $250 for her. At Fase 2 I was quoted $400 for TLN by one girl and $300 by another. My friend had a girl that was about a 6 or 7 offer $200 for TLN but, HE declined.

Usually when a girl starts off that high in price it completely turns me off and I do not even feel like negotiating it down. In my experience when a girl starts quoting high numbers and starts mentioning time limits and counting hours I just move onto something else and do not even counter with a price. Those girls tend to be the biggest clock watchers and the ones that have too many rules in bed.[/QUOTE]This post proves what I predicted earlier. YOU misunderstood what they are saying. There is NO WAY a San Diego girl would tell you that bar fine is $150. She has zero incentive to up charge rate on bar fine. Besides, an SD girl rarely sees or encounters USD. I am not a fan of San Diego as I don't like the quality or ambiance or clientele there but they are not a rip off place. She said 150.000 and you thought $150. I am almost certain that it is true about your other rate quotes. Sorry you missed out.

Yes, I will post a detailed BA and MDE comparison before the end of week. It is totally worth 9. 5 hrs from MIA. I travelled from North west and if I get time off I am ready to do that next week. My heart will always be in MDE but I don't mind parking my dick in BA, at least during AR peso devaluation phase.

[QUOTE=Vitrea;1636053]This post proves what I predicted earlier. YOU misunderstood what they are saying. There is NO WAY a San Diego girl would tell you that bar fine is $150. She has zero incentive to up charge rate on bar fine. Besides, an SD girl rarely sees or encounters USD. I am not a fan of San Diego as I don't like the quality or ambiance or clientele there but they are not a rip off place. She said 150.000 and you thought $150. I am almost certain that it is true about your other rate quotes. Sorry you missed out.

Yes, I will post a detailed BA and MDE comparison before the end of week. It is totally worth 9. 5 hrs from MIA. I travelled from North west and if I get time off I am ready to do that next week. My heart will always be in MDE but I don't mind parking my dick in BA, at least during AR peso devaluation phase.[/QUOTE]I'll also be looking forward to your thoughts on BA. I was last there in January of 2007. I enjoyed it, but I've been reluctant to go back because of the distance. I figure if I'm heading that general direction from and. America, I should just stop in Rio or Sao Paulo. However, Brasil is crazy expensive these days, and I've thinking with how bad things are in Argentina, it might be a good time to go back.

[QUOTE=Vitrea;1636053]This post proves what I predicted earlier. YOU misunderstood what they are saying. There is NO WAY a San Diego girl would tell you that bar fine is $150. She has zero incentive to up charge rate on bar fine. Besides, an SD girl rarely sees or encounters USD. I am not a fan of San Diego as I don't like the quality or ambiance or clientele there but they are not a rip off place. She said 150.000 and you thought $150. I am almost certain that it is true about your other rate quotes. Sorry you missed out.

Yes, I will post a detailed BA and MDE comparison before the end of week. It is totally worth 9. 5 hrs from MIA. I travelled from North west and if I get time off I am ready to do that next week. My heart will always be in MDE but I don't mind parking my dick in BA, at least during AR peso devaluation phase.[/QUOTE]You have your opinion I have mine I was there. I speak spanish. I said that I converted what she said to US dollars. That is how my mind works when someone tells me something in pesos or any other currency I do the math and convert. It is what I did there at the time and what I am doing here as I write about my experience.

I believe, that she said the bar fine was higher so she could pocket the difference. It would have been an all inclusive deal for her or a kick back from the bar if I paid the bar fine seperate from her fee.

I would by your arguement that I misunderstood the prices or what they were saying if this only happened at San Diego but, it also happened with 3 seperate girls at Fase 2. I could not possibly have misunderstood or misinterpreted all of them. I know the difference between someone saying 150 dollars or Ciento cincuenta mil pesos or trescientos mil pesos. Sometimes the colombians just abbreviate and say ciento cincuenta when they are talking about something over 100,000 pesos. So I do recognize the difference.

However, none of this matters. The extra $100 or $200 doesn't matter, it was the fact I knew by there attitude that these girls were not going to be someone I would want to session with TLN. If they would have been friendly or less business like I would have paid $1000. Money was not the point it was just an indicator on what type of girl I was dealing with and what type of session I would have had. Maybe it is my fault for not playing the game and negotiating but I just felt it wasnt even worth the effort if this is how the relationship was starting off.

Anyway, Have fun In BA./ I will def. go there sometime.

[QUOTE=Vitrea;1635624]I would not entirely write off CTG though. I have been there many times and I have a great time every single time. Bit more expensive but different. NEVER ever talk to a tout. If you need info, that is what these forums are for. Spend some time reading the forums before you go to any monger destination and be a DIY monger.

I am shocked to see how many guys spends thousands of $$$ on plane tickets and hotels but don't do any research. Most depend on Taxi drivers and touts for information.[/QUOTE]I was there a few years ago too, and also had a great time. The scams are the same everywhere, even the US. I don't believe Cartagena is unique in that aspect, or even worse than other mongering destinations.

[QUOTE=Vitrea;1635624]Agree that CTG is nearly not as friendly as MDE but that is true with many tourist destinations and more so in developing countries. I have had friends that were scammed in Vegas, NY and even in New Orleans. I was scammed too in my naive days. You live and learn. If you let them take you, they will. I would not entirely write off CTG though. I have been there many times and I have a great time every single time. Bit more expensive but different. NEVER ever talk to a tout. If you need info, that is what these forums are for. Spend some time reading the forums before you go to any monger destination and be a DIY monger.

I am shocked to see how many guys spends thousands of $$$ on plane tickets and hotels but don't do any research. Most depend on Taxi drivers and touts for information.[/QUOTE]Oh beach, no I wouldn't write off Cartagena,I have a ball with the Massage girls on the beaches,they will do anything for the buc. I usually trade a dollar store perfume for an hour massage,they are so happy to get something from the usa,and I like the rub and tug action up shorts,its not the best place for a newbie though. Even I get ripped off sometimes but the beach scum. They got my camera behind the Carpa,then my Abercrombie sandals, so like the post said buyer beware!

I was lucky enough to go to these two cities back to back. I just left BA yesterday. I was in MDE two weeks ago. I miss them both already.

[B]Basics of travel in BA[/B]. BA is not a secret tourist or a mongering destination. I did it both ways before but what makes it unique now is the peso devaluation. Last time I was in BA, $1 = 3 pesos. Now the official rate is 8. 5 pesos and the unofficial "blue market" rate is 14.5 to 15 (I love latino culture. They are too prudish to call it black market). Along with devaluation of course there is inflation. What cost 100 pesos when it was 3 pesos to a dollar, now costs 300 pesos but if you are smart enough to get pesos using blue market, it is still at a deep discount. Also, the inflation is variable depending on the commodity. Food and wine went up two times, chica prices went up on average 3 times and hotels went up four times but we are getting 5 times as many pesos per USD. Hope that makes sense. In [URL]AP.com[/URL] site I posted where and how to get blue market pesos. For uniformity, I am going to quote all prices in USD (based on 2000 CO pesos to a $1 and Blue conversion rate of 14 AR pesos. Prices are approximate and don't give me crap if I am off by $10 USD. If I am way off, please correct me.

[B]Cities[/B]: Ricoletta in BA is the El Poblado of MDE for touristy stuff and unlike Poblado, Ricoletta and adjacent "micro center (downtown)" are the mongering hubs as well. That makes travel easy. Cabs are not as inexpensive as MDE but still way cheaper compared to North american cities and you barely have to travel more than 15 minutes during peak traffic, unless you want to go adjacent neighbourhoods to see a tango show (San Telmo) or sightseeing or where the locals go to avoid tourists (Palermo Soho and Palermo Hollywood). Most Stay in Ricoletta as I always do. I like it because it is beautiful and I can walk to several of my favourite places of pleasure.

[B]MDE Casas vs BA Privados[/B]: Similar in concept but there are big differences. With few exceptions most Privados have less than 5 girls working at any given time. Unlike Casas, most Privados are open till 4 or even 5 AM. Chicas rotate in shifts and some might even live there. Some larger Privados may have a madam but in smaller ones, one of the chica's lets you in. They typically have a small living room with a sofa. You get to check out the girls and pick one. Prices depend on the Privado and the quality of the facility more than the quality of the girls. For example, a good value place Casa such as Energy, Abydos or Blue room will run you $60-70 USD and similar venue and quality would be $40 USD for one pop or one hour, whichever comes first. Service levels are similar with greater chances of Anal and BBBJ with extra tip or for repeat customers. The big difference is the sheer number of Privados and almost 20 hours of operation /24 hours. Privados are all over the city but again the highest concentration are in Ricoletta and Micro center. One other thing is that the escort "in call" services are almost always in a Privado. There are a few major escort sites and all of them have Privados scattered around the city. Some mongers even took the time to map the escort website girls to Privados but that info gets outdated very quickly. Conclusion: Just by pure numbers Privados have better quality than Casas and most have better ambiance compared to an MDE centro Casa but there is not much difference if you stick to quality establishments in both cities and for now BA is cheaper. Compared to a place like Lutron, BA is much cheaper for same or even better quality. However, ambiance wise, I don't know of a Privado similar to Lutron.

[B]Escorts[/B]: There must be almost 50 agencies and a 1000 escorts any given day in BA. Since they double up as Casa girls, you can do in call or out call. This set up is similar to Paisa divinas or Masajista paisas in MDE (they both have their own apartments in various locations around MDE) but they are more in number in BA. Again because of the numbers, and if you are patient enough to spend time in front of a darn computer, you can find higher quality in BA. However, the BA websites are notorious for world class photoshopping skills. Famous Jackson quote, "discount 20% looks to a website girl". A 10 is an 8 and an 8 is actually a six. MDE outcall is typically $125 to $150 and in BA it is $75 to $100. I find MDE escort site pics to be lot closer to reality. I use them in either city only if I am too tired or lazy. I spend a lot of time on a computer for my day job and try to minimize interaction with it when I arrive at a mongering destination. Most escorts in BA offer anal and BBBJ, which is different compared to MDE. Those are less important to me.

[B]Massage places[/B]: BA is quite unique in this respect. There are a ton of "massage" places. The operating hours are typically 11 AM to 9 PM. There are two kinds of MPs. Ones that offer a legit massage and HJ (included in the price) with topless or rarely nude massage with mutual massage or tit massage and or tits in mouth as options. Massage here including HJ, is $25 and the "tip" is $8 to 12 for topless tit massage or nipple sucking. Full service is highly unlikely unless she is in love with you. The other kind of MP is where there is a 20 minute pretend massage which is followed by a full service option. There you typically pay the house $25 and depending on the level of service you want, you pay the girl $20 to $25. I found stunners at both types of MPs. I almost fell in love with one at the full service kind. For my favourite places, see my reviews in [URL]AP.com[/URL] under massage thread. PM me for the info on the MDE equivalent to the first type (legit massage with release). I do not advertise that location in MDE as it is truly a legit MP where you routinely see an upper strata house wife getting a rubdown in the next room.

[B]Cafe's and pubs[/B]: The freelance cafe's in BA are interesting. Most mongerers end up there at least once for the thrill of it and some expats hang out there all the time. Good for them. The day time ones such as Exedra and Cafe Orleans are fun to check it out but the quality is hit or miss. Mostly a miss for me. I am strictly a solo mongerer but if you like to chat with very friendly and genuinely helpful expats, this is where you want to hang out. You will occasionally find a gem of a chica and you may even begin to wonder if she is an accidental tourist who ended up there unknowingly, mislead by tripadvisor. Most of them are hardcore pros though. The late night freelance pubs on the other hand are like the late night freelance dance clubs of CTG. The difference is that there is no cover in BA pubs and the atmosphere is relaxed, no dancing, just drinking, chilling and negotiating. Drinks are $7 for you or the girl and if you are patient, will find gems that will go to your room for one hour for $100. I found my 10 here one night! The pubs don't get going till midnight but close at 4 AM. Obviously, MDE is lacking in this offering.

[B]Clubs[/B]: My favourite of veneus and the highest priced option in both cities. The rough equivalent of La Isla is club Hippopotamus (A + list). (Black is a famous A+ list expensive club that is totally passe. An over the top club scamming tourists based on it's past glory. Waste of time these days). Fase 2 = Hooke (A list). There are a ton of clubs that are similar to San Diego and Luna Luneras. (B list) and even more el centro type clubs (C list). In BA, I stick to A or A+. The big difference is that there is no onsite action in BA clubs that I visit. There is a cover to get into A clubs. $22 for A+ and $17 for A that includes a stiff drink. Girl drink at Hippo is $75 (yes you read that correctly) and you have to buy one drink per hour of take out. Girls typically go out for $150 to $200/ first hour and $75 to $100 each additional hour. So for example, if you want to take a girl out for 1 HR, it will be $75 for the drink and close to $200 for the girl. For two hours, it would be $150 in drinks plus $275 for the girl. The girl is obligated to come back to the club if the club is still open when she is done with you. Most top clubs close at 4 am so, if you pull a girl at 2 am for two hours or at 3 am for 1 hour she does not need to come back. Makes sense? (one club opens at 3 AM and closes at 8 Am!) Having scared with these prices, the reality is A clubs are a much better value compared to A+ clubs. At Hooke for example, the girl drink is $18 and it is $100 per hour for the girl. I found 9's there and some of them are sweet and classy enough to consider a longterm relationship. If you leave crazy prices out of the picture, for example, Hippo has many 10's. Probably one of the highest concentration of 10's, available to fuck for a buck, under one roof (Comparable to a German FKK such as Oase or Prague K club). Most of them know it and are a bit cold. I don't mind spending money if I know there is value in return. Hippo, with it's silly drink pricing policy makes it harder to find out. Going into details is out of the scope of this report. I spoke to several but never pulled one from there. Hooke on the other hand is priced similar to La Isla (for the first hour) but La Isla has more number of girls and for TLN, it comes out way ahead.

[B]General thoughts[/B]: Paisas like to party. They jump at the option of going to a nice restaurant and a regular club. BA girls; not so much. The clubs put pressure on the girls to come back to the club. In MDE, once the girl leaves, she is under no such pressure though she may still choose to do that for persona financial reasons. For my tastes, both Paisas and Baires chicas are equally good in the sac. Looks wise, they both have stunners but if you like them on average a bit taller, dig light color eyes and brown or blonde hair along with a nice tight latina ass, you will be in heaven in BA. Silicone breasts are equally common but gluteal implants are less common in BA (I hate those). In general, I like them all natural and I don't have trouble finding them in either of the cities. Romance latina, CO Cupid and Facebook add another dimension to MDE mongering that I do not have much info on re BA.

[B]Weed[/B]: You can easily and reliably get it in both cities though lot less expensive and better quality in MDE. Regular contributors can PM me on ISG site (not [URL]AP.com[/URL]) if you like to know where to get party supplies or any other specific questions. I answer my PMs diligently. If I do not reply to you, that means I do not consider your contributions to the forum worthy of a reply. Please give a little so can get a lot more.

[QUOTE=Vitrea;1636633]I was lucky enough to go to these two cities back to back. I just left BA yesterday. I was in MDE two weeks ago. I miss them both already.[/QUOTE]Excellent write up and comparison. I was clueless about BA and now I feel less clueless. If someone can move Vitrea's report into the Distinguished Reports area it might be helpful to future travelers.

IMO Vitrea currently writes the most accurate reports on this thread regarding the high end P4 P in Medellin. I find the prices he has quoted to be very accurate in general.

Actually, Vitrea is the only member that regularly writes about the high end scene. Most members who get a few trips under their belt and become organized and efficient vanish from the board. I want to compliment you for continuing to report.

Mfns, don't sweat it. I can totally identify with what you experienced although your pricing seemed a little high. I find the high end outlets are mostly full of jaded pros and many guys are too proud to report similar experiences to yours yet it is common. Vitrea is obviously somewhat comfortable in being able to navigate through this environment in finding what he is looking for. I met one guy who was hitting Abydos and Energy in the daytime and La Isla and Fasay Dos at night. He was a world traveling monger and he was having great experiences also. Some guys can overcome these girl's initial attitudes in making a connection and getting them to lower their guard. I used to be able to function in this environment but recently I feel as you do in that the attitudes of these girls is a turnoff.

Most experienced MDE guys, who like the higher end girls, turn to the internet for night time action. These guys are good at finding the better 10%-20% of the internet girls with decent attitudes and good looks. IMO this avenue is better than the high end clubs as it is easier to get relaxed dates at similar to cheaper prices. Most develop a small to medium base of girls. Then they start chatting with 1-3 girls in getting something set up for the evening. Just an idea. Please don't PM me asking about the internet as I have never met or spoke to a girl through internet before. With that being said I have friends that do very well with the internet and I admire their efficiency.

IMO Colombia is a DIY monger destination. Vitrea admits to being one of these people and it is no surprise that he enjoys Colombia. If you need your hand held go to a place where there are tons of poor girls lined up to meet your every need. I love Medellin because I can overcome the tourist stereotype and receive warm interactions often. I am also comfortable in Medellin because I know the city well including many of the bad neighborhoods in the North. I like Cali and the small towns as well. Bogota not so much. Cartagena not at all. Panama, Costa Rica, Cancun, etc no thanks. In these places I am viewed as just another dumbass tourist with money falling out of my pockets. Sometimes I feel like this in El Poblado but I digress.

Finally, I can totally understand the frustration of the experienced MDE mongers on this board. The Medellin thread has more than enough info if one is willing to read a little. Don't complain that it is too much reading. Be fortunate that there is information available which is not the case in many locations.

When I make to BA I will reference this post for sure. Vitrea, thanks again for the interesting read.

Vegas Jeff, thank you for the complement and recognizing the effort that goes into writing reports. This is a great forum and if we can stay positive and encourage others to do the same, all of us will benifit tremendously from it.

Countless contributors, such as yourself helped me during my "inexperienced" phase and still learn from others on a daily basis. Few exceptional memebrs that standout are WT69 for his phenomenal lists, Matt for his maps, WTS for his "in the trenches" relaible reporting and Dealdo for lending a hand that helped me make some early connections. Thanks to all of you and other contributors who I have not mentioned.

Have fun, stay positive and keep reporting.

Thanks Vitrea.

That was a great report. I've been wanting to go back to BA for years but I didn't know if it was out of my budget or not. Your report cleared up a few things for me.

Emailed you back!

Day time Casa, Loutrons! Fake tits and fake asses, the best looking women! You will find all the women are atleast 8 + most of them don't have stretch marks!!

Night time, Fase Dos and La Isla! Night time strip clubs, you will find all types of women. Alot of cuurvy busty women!

[QUOTE=LuvFake;1636007]Hi everyone,

I'll be in Medellin first time from Oct. 30 - Nov. 4. I'm a big hobbyist of FKKs. I speak nil Spanish which I know will be a major disadvantage. Tried to book at M1 and M2 since last week, all the rooms are booked for all those days. I will be staying at an apartment in publado.

Upon suggestions, I'm trying Facebook but not really easy either and no guarantees. I looked at the casas and strip club maps but not sure where to really go. I am a little bit picky.

GFE such as DFK, BBBJ, and DATY are a must. I like my girls looking like the playboy or pornstar type. I prefer silicone tits and ass but if she doesn't have that and she's hot, I'll go for it.

I need to have a plan for both daytime and nighttime. With these thoughts in mind and my preference:

1. What are the casas I should visit for this...[/QUOTE]