Jakarta

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2400539]There are a lot of familiar faces in those CJs pics. I don't know the girl in the attached pic. Does anyone have her phone number and can send it to me via PM? That's my type of chick.

Yes, Tiga Puluh used to absolutely rock back in the day. It's so sad what it has become. It all happened after they decided to "renovate". There was no need to renovate that place. From the day they re-opened after the renovation, the place has been dead.[/QUOTE]Her name is Inna, I have met her a few times in Blok M, I don't have her phone number but have her on FB. I saw her a few times in Blok M with a group. I knew one person in the group who introduced her to me. She has a kid and works during the day. So she told me.

If I get her number I will forward to you.

[QUOTE=Marky1;2402716]I told you one year ago that CJs was a overpriced tourist trap and you denied it. I'm glad to see you come around to my way of thinking.[/QUOTE]One of the main reason that I don't go to CJ's not only I find the asking price a bit too much but the quality of service is not as expected. I know Blok M is not rocking as it was before but in between all of the 6's there will be a few 9's so I just wait for them to show up.

Someday I will try Crown disco to evaluate.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2403141]Yes, you can take them to your room for about 5 times the price of taking them for an hour inside Hotel Classic brothel.[/QUOTE]That sucks. 😎 I remember Marabaya girls would come to your room at the Melawai, no extra charge. If you stayed there long enough, some of the girls would knock on your door on the way home.

The Melawai was actually a very handy place to stay: close to fun and food and pretty well priced.

Cheers. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2403790]That sucks. 😎 I remember Marabaya girls would come to your room at the Melawai, no extra charge. If you stayed there long enough, some of the girls would knock on your door on the way home.

The Melawai was actually a very handy place to stay: close to fun and food and pretty well priced.

Cheers. G.[/QUOTE]Maribaya was the best place ever in it's prime. Many times those girls would come to my apartment either after or before work for the same price as what I paid for a session at Maribaya.

This is a few months old, but I went to the spa in JW Marriott, and got the same girl to the room next day. Room service had a 20% mark up.

If I was not surprised by this hotel spa having all extras, in room service really knocked my pants off!!

Orchardz just outside the airport also has this where I have stayed just for the fun, but in-room has a lot more markup there (50% if I remember right). Always gone to the spa floor there.

[QUOTE=Breadman;2402996]Question if you are staying in the hotel like the classic hotel that has a brothel on the premises are you allowed to take a girl back to your hotel room?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Breadman;2402996]Question if you are staying in the hotel like the classic hotel that has a brothel on the premises are you allowed to take a girl back to your hotel room?[/QUOTE]I have no experience on this so take it for what it's worth but my guess to your question would be no you can't take one of the girls from Classic 2nd floor to your room. Maybe if you were known to the mamasan an exception may be made. The VIP rooms in Hotel Classic are way nicer and larger than your hotel room anyways.

[QUOTE=MickeyDuck1208;2403905]This is a few months old, but I went to the spa in JW Marriott, and got the same girl to the room next day. Room service had a 20% mark up.

If I was not surprised by this hotel spa having all extras, in room service really knocked my pants off!!

Orchardz just outside the airport also has this where I have stayed just for the fun, but in-room has a lot more markup there (50% if I remember right). Always gone to the spa floor there.[/QUOTE]I got hit up by the receptionist at the exact same hotel haha. I was so shocked at first thinking she must not be serious but was given her number and when I changed hotel (non-MR) she came over a few days later. Nice hotel in general anyway even without it all haha.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2341414] I think the King Cross girls have the biggest breasts in town. Maybe the management looks for big breasted women.

[/QUOTE]It is a welcome information for me from one of your old posts. Thank you Smoothy. Now KC is in my bucket list for the upcoming first trip to Jakarta.

I had a 2 day trip, Train tracks were the highlight.
Visited train tracks around 11 in the morning, had threesome with 2 beauties, it was a great session. Damage was 500 K. One advantage in train tracks is you are not rushed by mamasan like in Classic. Next day, had foursome for 500 K in the same location. Train tracks are much better than massage places IMHO if you can tolerate those conditions. Visited Classic, Travel and New Sari Ayu in the evenings but all are crapshoots. Classic had a special 250 K, took 2 girls for 500 K for a not so great session. Checked out at Griya Sehat (Ruko Robinson) but skipped it as girl selection is thru pictures and sessions cost 600 K. I had plans to visit other locations like train tracks such as jatinegera, cawang, etc but skipped due to zero Indonesian skills and traffic / time constraints.
Overall Jakarta is underwhelming destination, train tracks saved my trip.

[QUOTE=Jicks;2405896]Visited Classic, Travel and New Sari Ayu in the evenings but all are crapshoots. Classic had a special 250 K, took 2 girls for 500 K for a not so great session. [/QUOTE]I think it's been discussed here many times never to take the 500 k for 2 girls at Classic 'deal'.

Curious to why you clumped Sari Ayu in with Classic and Travel. Sari Ayu is definitely not a crap shoot. Did you have a poor session there?

[QUOTE=Jicks;2405896]I had a 2 day trip, Train tracks were the highlight.
Visited train tracks around 11 in the morning, had threesome with 2 beauties, it was a great session. Damage was 500 K. One advantage in train tracks is you are not rushed by mamasan like in Classic. Next day, had foursome for 500 K in the same location. .[/QUOTE]Hi.

Where was your session? Its really exciting. Something different. Wish to try. 8.

[QUOTE=Jicks;2405896]I had a 2 day trip, Train tracks were the highlight.
Visited train tracks around 11 in the morning, had threesome with 2 beauties, it was a great session. Damage was 500 K. One advantage in train tracks is you are not rushed by mamasan like in Classic. Next day, had foursome for 500 K in the same location. Train tracks are much better than massage places IMHO if you can tolerate those conditions. [/QUOTE]Thanks you for the report, I really would like to see and try these kind of places in my first trip in Jakarta next summer.

[QUOTE=Jicks;2405896]I had a 2 day trip, Train tracks were the highlight.
Visited train tracks around 11 in the morning, had threesome with 2 beauties, it was a great session. Damage was 500 K. One advantage in train tracks is you are not rushed by mamasan like in Classic. Next day, had foursome for 500 K in the same location. Train tracks are much better than massage places IMHO[/QUOTE]I agree with you. The train tracks are the place to be.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2405914]I think it's been discussed here many times never to take the 500 k for 2 girls at Classic 'deal'.

Curious to why you clumped Sari Ayu in with Classic and Travel. Sari Ayu is definitely not a crap shoot. Did you have a poor session there?[/QUOTE]Taking 2 girls was not my intention, mamasan sent 2 girls to chat, ended up taking them. Sari Ayu is the best of 3, mamasan did not rush and let me choose the girl.

[QUOTE=Thampi62;2405996]Hi.

Where was your session? Its really exciting. Something different. Wish to try. 8.[/QUOTE]Search for ROYAL club in google maps for Train track location, small alley starts from Jl. Gedong Panjang.

Specific shop that I went is on the right side, with green wall with word HELLO in red, when you enter from Gedong Panjang, ceiling is covered for some distance, then ceiling is open. This shop is near where open ceiling starts.

[QUOTE=Jicks;2406080]Search for ROYAL club in google maps for Train track location, small alley starts from Jl. Gedong Panjang.

Specific shop that I went is on the right side, with green wall with word HELLO in red, when you enter from Gedong Panjang, ceiling is covered for some distance, then ceiling is open. This shop is near where open ceiling starts.[/QUOTE]This small alley?

[QUOTE=Jicks;2406078]mamasan did not rush and let me choose the girl.[/QUOTE]I don't mind those Hotel Classic and Hotel Travel mamasans bringing the girls over to me. I prefer it. I don't feel rushed in the least. I just let them bring the girls over to me, I then talk with the girls and send them away so that they bring more girls over. Gives me a chance to talk to them. Most times I will talk to around 30 girls in those places before I make my pick. On occasion, one is brought over that I know is a winner immediately, but most times I call back one of the girls I refused after seeing all of them. I do the exact same at places like sariayu. I force the mamasan to bring a lot of girls over to me and I send them all back then make my pick after talking with many of them. It's too damn hard to pick one with them all sitting there in a bunch.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2406124]This small alley?[/QUOTE]Yes, exactly.

[QUOTE=Jicks;2406080]Search for ROYAL club in google maps for Train track location, small alley starts from Jl. Gedong Panjang.

Specific shop that I went is on the right side, with green wall with word HELLO in red, when you enter from Gedong Panjang, ceiling is covered for some distance, then ceiling is open. .[/QUOTE]Pin point it friend. I am a first timer in Jakarta. At least I will go through the place and keep it in mind for the second visit. I love to explore new and exciting things. Normal is boring after some time.

Thanks Jicks. Keep going.

Regards.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2406124]This small alley?[/QUOTE]So that is it. Perfect. The photo clarifies everything.

I went to that train track brothel area a couple months ago.

I was there around 9 pm.

Their unsolicited offers ranged between 150 k to 300 k.

Quality was terrible.

After looking, I was going to drink a beer, but price was around 70-80 k for a large warm bottle served with homemade ice so decided against it.

Friends,

My way of saving information that I get from forum is in this way. I form anew group in whatsapp naming it Jakarta, Angeles or Manila whatever the place is and I will be the only member in it. I cut and paste all the information needed into that group. It will be easy for me to recollect everything when I move. My memory is low. But worked out very well for me.

Enjoy traveling.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2406124]This small alley?[/QUOTE]Maybe this can help to find the place: It is 200 m north from the Trans Jakarta Bus station with the name ' Gedong Panjan '.

Easy to reach with the bus from Kota Station, only 3 or 4 stops. Many older ladys but some young too who are worth the trip.

I was two times in the early afternoon, very very basic place but exciting, 150 K. Enjoy.

Aquarius spa. Good organised and clean spa, ladys are to chose on a smatphone, good service, 555 K+tip.

Metropolis spa. Next door of Aquarius, also smartphone selection, the interior is less than Aquarius but OK, massage and service where also good, 190 K for the massage or 345 full service +tip.

Samaya spa. Opposite the Melawai hotel (and ex. Maribaya spa), smartphone selection, 360 K for 1,5 h massage in the executive room with private shower, the extras are to discus with the lady. The massage was Ok, but after 1/2 h she asked me if I want full serv. , she wanted 1000000 extra. I refused and proposed her 300 K extra, together the same price as I payed in Aquarius, but she di'nt accept and incisted for more. Than I was no more interested. She stop the massage still after 1 h. I was wrong to give her 100 K tip. The room was overpriced. So, do'nt go!

Kartika (at Manga Besar) still my favorite for a body to body soapy massage. 360 K + 100 tip. Beer 30 k. I got the service from Ria, nice body and funny.

Royal, same street and 50 m before Kartika, many young girls, only 300 K, but the service was less and I was out in 1/2 h. I was wrong to give 100 tip!

[QUOTE=Jicks;2405896]I had a 2 day trip, Train tracks were the highlight. Visited train tracks around 11 in the morning, had threesome with 2 beauties, it was a great session. Damage was 500 K. One advantage in train tracks is you are not rushed by mamasan like in Classic. Next day, had foursome for 500 K in the same location. Train tracks are much better than massage places IMHO if you can tolerate those conditions. Visited Classic, Travel and New Sari Ayu in the evenings but all are crapshoots. Classic had a special 250 K, took 2 girls for 500 K for a not so great session. Checked out at Griya Sehat (Ruko Robinson) but skipped it as girl selection is thru pictures and sessions cost 600 K. I had plans to visit other locations like train tracks such as jatinegera, cawang, etc but skipped due to zero Indonesian skills and traffic / time constraints.
Overall Jakarta is underwhelming destination, train tracks saved my trip.[/QUOTE]What? Is no one goign to call him out for OVERSPENDING on the threesome with 2 trackside beauties at 500 K? I am pretty certain it could have been done for 300 K. These guys are really ruining the market by overpaying.

But then, if the trackside beauties are not at all rushed and are much better than massage places and other brothels like Classic, then we might be on to something here!

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2406224]I don't mind those Hotel Classic and Hotel Travel mamasans bringing the girls over to me. I prefer it. I don't feel rushed in the least. I just let them bring the girls over to me, I then talk with the girls and send them away so that they bring more girls over. Gives me a chance to talk to them. Most times I will talk to around 30 girls in those places before I make my pick. On occasion, one is brought over that I know is a winner immediately, but most times I call back one of the girls I refused after seeing all of them. I do the exact same at places like sariayu. I force the mamasan to bring a lot of girls over to me and I send them all back then make my pick after talking with many of them. It's too damn hard to pick one with them all sitting there in a bunch.[/QUOTE]What do you tell the girls to send them back? Don't they start to get pissed after 3-5?

[QUOTE=BJtemp;2406385]What do you tell the girls to send them back? Don't they start to get pissed after 3-5?[/QUOTE]I don't tell the girls anything. I just tell the mamasan I want a different girl. Hell, I always think the girls are actually happy to walk away. Haha. The mamasan only represents a handful of girls, so she will be disappointed after you refuse all of her girls, but you can then find another mamasan and look at all of her girls until you find one you like.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2406314]What? Is no one goign to call him out for OVERSPENDING on the threesome with 2 trackside beauties at 500 K? I am pretty certain it could have been done for 300 K. These guys are really ruining the market by overpaying.

But then, if the track side beauties are not at all rushed and are much better than massage places and other brothels like Classic, then we might be on to something here![/QUOTE]Some guys like unshaven natural beauties with little bit of body odor and no pastes on face. Those will be available in rail tracks or places like it. I am towards hairy side sometimes for a change. Not to odor. As you said don't let upsell in those areas.

[QUOTE=BJtemp;2406385]What do you tell the girls to send them back? Don't they start to get pissed after 3-5?[/QUOTE]I'm with Smoothy on this one. I let the mamasans bring as many girls as she wants. Once one mamasan has run through her roster then the next mamasan will bring all her girls to you. No, the mamasans do not get pissed off. Once a girl I haven't seen yet from the first mamasan comes out of a room, mamasan will bring her to me as well. I likely see more than 30 girls before I choose one and usually select one I see on my own while walking around the bar.

You would turn down a girl like you would at any other P4P bar in the world. We all have our own style.

Classic is my home base, will venture out to this railroad place.

Anyone know of any big computer mall somewhere? need to buy an external harddrive.

[QUOTE=BJtemp;2406631]Classic is my home base, will venture out to this railroad place.

[/QUOTE]Expecting detailed reports. Enjoy.

What's this place Train Tracks?

[QUOTE=BJtemp;2406631]Classic is my home base, will venture out to this railroad place.

Anyone know of any big computer mall somewhere? need to buy an external harddrive.[/QUOTE]Ratu Plaza on Jl. Sudirman (near MRT station Senayan). Plaza Glodok, above Jalan Hayam Wuruk, near Kota.

[QUOTE=DelBosque;2406248]Aquarius spa. Good organised and clean spa, ladys are to chose on a smatphone, good service, 555 K+tip.

Metropolis spa. Next door of Aquarius, also smartphone selection, the interior is less than Aquarius but OK, massage and service where also good, 190 K for the massage or 345 full service +tip.

Samaya spa. Opposite the Melawai hotel (and ex. Maribaya spa), smartphone selection, 360 K for 1,5 h massage in the executive room with private shower, the extras are to discus with the lady. The massage was Ok, but after 1/2 h she asked me if I want full serv. , she wanted 1000000 extra. I refused and proposed her 300 K extra, together the same price as I payed in Aquarius, but she di'nt accept and incisted for more. Than I was no more interested. She stop the massage still after 1 h. I was wrong to give her 100 K tip. The room was overpriced. So, do'nt go![/QUOTE]So the renovation of Maribaya has been completed and this resulted in the Samaya spa?

From your description not really an improvement. Sad.

[QUOTE=BJtemp;2406631]Classic is my home base, will venture out to this railroad place.

Anyone know of any big computer mall somewhere? need to buy an external harddrive.[/QUOTE]Mall Mangga Dua.

I went to Colleseum last night, the club was empty so I didn't go in. On the 3rd floor of Colleseum there were about 30 indo girls but you could only seem the from distance. Prices are 1. 5 M /2. 6 M /3. 3 M for Indo / Import / Model Import girls, for an hour. But if you want to talk with a girl, you have to pay that price for her to sit with you up to half an hour. So you must pay at least 1. 5 M before you even had a chance to have a close look at a girl. You could get them lined up in front of you but I felt awkward as I was by myself. I am not sure if it's designed this way to get more money from customers but in my opinion they would get more business if customers were allowed to speak with a girl before committing. What is the pool on the other side of the spa?

Golden Crown used to be my fav for freelancing young girls, now most of the club is shutdown, only smaller section of it on the left remains open. It was fairly slow and past 1 am.

For taxi, definitely use Grab car or Grab bike app, or walk up to a car or a bike and press connect instead of book buttons.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2398519]Kelapa Gading absolutely rocks and is probably the best place in the city[/QUOTE]Where do you recommend going there (clubs, bars, girl bars, restaurants)? I'll check it out. Thanks.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2398510] I'm pretty adventurous and at least have ventured to some places in Jakarta most guys have never been to or even heard of like Ruko Robinson, New Medika, Berlian, Kimochi Mabes, etc.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2398519]I would think that anyone who reads this forum regularly has heard about Robinson, Medika, Berlian and Kimochi Mabes. [/QUOTE]Guys, when you talking about this places, do you mean:

Medika. Bar New Medika Jl. Taman Daan Mogot Raya, RT. 2/ RW. 1?

Kimochi Mabes. New Kimoci Mabes 2 Jalan Mangga Besar II No. 6 GH, RT. 6/ RW. 2 ?

Ruko Robinson. Jalan Bandengan Selatan, RT. 2?

I can't locate Berlian on google maps.

These places are all brothels with st room? Price similar to Classic hotel?

I planning 5 nights in GKT and I want to visit and try many brothels.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=SeanEZ;2407081]Where do you recommend going there (clubs, bars, girl bars, restaurants)? I'll check it out. Thanks.[/QUOTE]You can find the places to eat on Google. As for the hobby, look for King Cross & Sumo Shiatsu. Couple of other places in the same complex. The trip there is a nightmare though from Central or South Jakarta.

Berlian is in a small alley off Hayam Wuruk, just south of Raya Mangga Besar. On Hayam Wuruk you will be the Suisse Bakery. There is also another place on the same street as Berlian. I think the pricing is 300 k but that may have changed. Go at own risk. A bit scary but I did see one girl I liked. I know you're pretty adventurous so you'll go. Kimochi Mabes 2 is nearby and the address you posted is correct. Many KM around. It's a chain like Delta Spa. You don't get to see the girls at KM2 rather choose a photo off the wall. Photos of girls are posted on Instagram under Dewakimochi. The girls are pretty but they will not be up to your high service standards there, at least not for me. Rooms are as nice as Classic.

New Medika address is correct. Similar pricing to Classic and Travel. It's West Jakarta so avoid going during rush hour. Rooms are on par with Kota Indah.

Komplek Ruko Robinson. Not sure what the address is but I believe you find it with the one you have. You will see a blue fence surrounding a large area, not unlike Kota Indah. Prices are cheaper than Classic. Can't recall the 2 bars I visited there. Maybe Griya Sehat and Peach Blossom. Someone posted a terrible review of Griya Sehat the other day. The first one I went in I saw a very cute girl just my type in street clothes. I smiled at the girl and she smiled back at me. She seemed interested. Mamasan was adamant the girl did not work there. The next place I went to was a spa. I walked in to a room on the 2nd floor. There were about 30 girls. I wasn't interested in any of them so I left. I didn't feel welcome at either place. English very limited at both places.

With 4 or 5 nights I'd be sticking with Kota Indah (New Sari Ayu, Grand LA, Royal, MTR, Starmoon, and a few dingy ones on the other street that are likely even cheaper) nightly and a mix of Classic and Travel before / after Kota Indah. I'd also mix in Kelapa Gading (Sumo Spa, King's Cross, MTR2, Hermess, etc) and check out New Medika.

PM me with your dates. Would be nice to hang out again.

Has anyone been to those large spas / KTV's in Lokasari Square lately? Just wondering how they are and if they are cheap or expensive.

I still laugh thinking that Lokasari was the very first place I visited in Jakarta looking for elusive cute FL's and never went back. I thought someone was playing a trick on me writing fake reviews to go to Lokasari Square.

[QUOTE=Zippos;2331994]Check out Best Western Mangga Dua, huge high-rise building with decent rooms and pretty good breakfast. KI / Classic / Travel nearby.[/QUOTE]I found a 2 bedrooms apartment on airbnb located into this hotel / residence, the location seems great with a lot of brothels nearby, KI is only 1 km away. Seems interesting, but the airbnb ad not have any review.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2407188]Berlian is in a small alley off Hayam Wuruk, just south of Raya Mangga Besar. On Hayam Wuruk you will be the Suisse Bakery. There is also another place on the same street as Berlian. I think the pricing is 300 k but that may have changed. Go at own risk. A bit scary but I did see one girl I liked. I know you're pretty adventurous so you'll go. [/QUOTE]Yes, for this my first Indonesia trip I feeling very adventurous and would like to try many places. Also I would like to try at least one of the train tracks like the one near Pekojan Monument. :-)

Hope to find a second home in Asia to be combined with Pattaya. Been in AC recently and I really don't like the place.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2407188]With 4 or 5 nights I'd be sticking with Kota Indah (New Sari Ayu, Grand LA, Royal, MTR, Starmoon, and a few dingy ones on the other street that are likely even cheaper) nightly and a mix of Classic and Travel before / after Kota Indah. I'd also mix in Kelapa Gading (Sumo Spa, King's Cross, MTR2, Hermess, etc) and check out New Medika.

PM me with your dates. Would be nice to hang out again.[/QUOTE]Yes this sum up most places I want to visit. all this places are evening/night spots or are open already at 3/4pm? PM sent.

Lately I've been seeing more and more posts about mongers getting CBJs only inside the bordellos.

As a full-time monger here in Jakarta for most of the past 8 years, BBBJ and BBFS is the norm in 80% of cases. However, if a chica has insisted on either CBJ or CFS inside the room I have always ended the session prematurely by getting the Mamasan or Papasan involved (using the phone inside the room) , and if they give me the usual praturan / it's the policy bullshit (thinking I am a newbie) I ask for the manager. That has always worked, and I either change the girl free of charge or get my money back. (this has worked at the Kelapa Gading places, Classic, Travel, Kota Indah, etc.).

NB. I do speak Fluent Bahasa and that may not work if I didn't.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2407136]
Kimochi Mabes. New Kimoci Mabes 2 Jalan Mangga Besar II No. 6 GH, RT. 6/ RW. 2 ?
[/QUOTE]If you are staying in Kota it is walking distance. It seems safe to walk around here. The place had decent selection last night, but it is small compared to massive Classic, only one room with maybe 15-20 girls available. I went to check out Classic afterwards (below). The cost was 35 K for a beer and I got impression that it was a very economical place, worth checking out. There is a big sign on the door, Kimochi II, yellow, you cannot miss it. Google maps directions is good.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2407141]You can find the places to eat on Google. As for the hobby, look for King Cross & Sumo Shiatsu. Couple of other places in the same complex. The trip there is a nightmare though from Central or South Jakarta.[/QUOTE]
Ok I'll check them out thanks. BTW, have been using Grab Bike to get around for under 2 miles distance. They seem quite professional and the cost is 70 cents per ride. Much quicker than sitting in a car in traffic.


*Classic Sat night*.

Floor 1 wasn't very busy so I went to floor 2. They got pool tables and strip show and groups of girls sprinkled around the place (huge hall), maybe 200-300 girls in groups, each owned by a Mami as what they call them. I got one girl for 365 K and had bunch of strong drinks and paid 500 K on exit (that may also include the room). So total damage of around 80-90 bucks which is fuck all. I really liked one of the dancers and when they pulled her from the stage, they swarmed me with those 45 K shots of which you have to buy at least 4 and I told them to piss off, and lost the girl. Can anyone explain how does the drink system work and can one fuck a dancer? I got impression that the only way to do this is to finder her Mami and I am not sure dancers have one. I have not been to floor 5 where I think they are 1. 5 M (I could be wrong), might check it out later today.

*Tinder*.

They ask 2-3 M then come down to 1 M or less and want to meet in hotel. Has anyone done this, what is the strategy? I am wary of inviting one to a room without having met them first. They say they are freelancers.

*train tracks*

Is this some joke? no exact location, and the area seems seedy. Why would anyone go there, to save a few bucks?


Anyone around today Sunday evening, DM me we can meet up.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2407199]Has anyone been to those large spas / KTV's in Lokasari Square lately? Just wondering how they are and if they are cheap or expensive. .[/QUOTE]I've just Googled about KABUKI HOTEL Executive Club, it is same owners as Alexis group, girls are 2 M+. It is in this area, opens at 2 PM on Sunday. And some others are cheaper and talent is lesser quality, but I haven't been to any myself.

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2406867]Mall Mangga Dua.[/QUOTE]OS is correct for North and central. If in South Jakarta then try Ambassador Mall. Same type of place.

[QUOTE=SeanEZ;2407282]

*Tinder*.

They ask 2-3 M then come down to 1 M or less and want to meet in hotel. Has anyone done this, what is the strategy? I am wary of inviting one to a room without having met them first. They say they are freelancers.
[/QUOTE]I met about 6 on my recent stay in November. They all came to my hotel, but most insist that you meet them in the lobby; which I did since the elevators at Shangri-la need a room key to operate, I have to go down anyway. I had dinner with 2 before going to the room.

All in all it's a good strategy because you can send them away if they misrepresent themselves on Tinder.

I did insist on a WhatsApp video chat before we met to make sure they look like their pictures. Many do not. I eliminated an average of 50% because they look much worse than their photos.

I had a good time with all my Tinder dates. I got everyone for 800 k to 1 juta. You should too.

Cheers, Traveler.

[QUOTE=SeanEZ;2407287]I've just Googled about KABUKI HOTEL Executive Club, it is same owners as Alexis group, girls are 2 M+. It is in this area, opens at 2 PM on Sunday. And some others are cheaper and talent is lesser quality, but I haven't been to any myself.[/QUOTE]This is one of the places the Alexis girls moved to.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2407213]Yes, for this my first Indonesia trip I feeling very adventurous and would like to try many places. Also I would like to try at least one of the train tracks like the one near Pekojan Monument. :-)

Hope to find a second home in Asia to be combined with Pattaya. Been in AC recently and I really don't like the place.

[/QUOTE]Hi Friend, I visited Pattaya more than 30 times since2003. I love that place and the girls. But the metamorphosis of Pattaya ruined the whole charm during years. Now the town is commercialized and the ladies too.

My recent hub is AC. Visited 4 times. The place is awesome. Here I am not in agree with you. You get excellent GFE in AC. It is not expensive. Girls are sweet. And finally they all speak English. What we want more.

Visited Bali 4 times. It was my second hub after Pattaya. You get girls in X houses. But no GFE.

This is my first visit to Jakarta. Just like you 5 days. Jan end.

My schedule is almost like yours.

Happy mongering.

Regards.

Hey fellows,

Will be visiting Jakarta for the first time coming February. Been going through the forum a lot. It is indeed too much helpful. Got some doubts though, just need some quick help from you guys:

1. Is there any reliable / professional B2B ladies / centres in Jakarta? I'm not looking for only sex, but giving priority to B2B massage.

2. I'll be staying in Best Western Mangga Dua. Is the hotel ladies friendly? (Suppose I pickup girls and ask them to come to my room).

3. Have anyone tried escorts from MR? How's your experience with them?

Any help appreciated. Happy mongering!

I was in Jakarta last week and been to Classic everyday except one day. One of the dancers would not let me go even after told her sorry multiple times. Ended with close to 900K on drinks, long lap dance session and then, without me asking her, she called her mama. Price quoted was 2 M for a session. I have no interest in taking her and did not bother to continue the conversation.

[QUOTE=SeanEZ;2407282] I really liked one of the dancers and when they pulled her from the stage, they swarmed me with those 45 K shots of which you have to buy at least 4 and I told them to piss off, and lost the girl. Can anyone explain how does the drink system work and can one fuck a dancer? I got impression that the only way to do this is to finder her Mami and I am not sure dancers have one. I have not been to floor 5 where I think they are 1. 5 M (I could be wrong), might check it out later today.
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I just ended a week's trip to Jakarta and spent most of the time at Classic. Only one new piece of information that I can add to Classic I believe is not already covered here.

Taking a girl for full night - 9 pm to morning (either 5 am or 6 am) will cost 3 M. She can only be taken to Classic hotel rooms. If you don't stay there, you need to rent a room for the night there.

Hi friends,

I was using Sildenafil (Viagra or Penegra) and Tadalafil (Tazzle or Cialis or Tadacip) from 2014 onwards. Penegra gave a lot of discomfort to me as severe headache and tiredness. Then I shifted to Tadalafil the so called weekened pill. The result was awesome. I started with 10 MG one and a half to two hour before action. No after effects except a mild back ache. Last one year I find out my rhythm by starting 20 MG on my first day two hour before action and 10 MG every other day during my action period. It gave me excellent result. Now I am not at all worried about my action that I am ready at any situation for action whatever the mindset is. Confidence is at its peak. LOL.

Enjoy New year with confidence in action.

Happy mongering.

Regards.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2407188]I'd be sticking with Kota Indah (New Sari Ayu)[/QUOTE]That's a good choice these days if you like getting arrested in police raids. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJkCWjL6FIQ&feature=youtu.be[/URL].

That is currently one of the least safe places to visit in Jakarta. They do not pay their protection money like places such as Hotel Classic and Malioboro do.

Damn 500 k is well overpriced for those lasses.

Please guys don't ruin the market, its happened too often in high-end places already.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2406314]What? Is no one goign to call him out for OVERSPENDING on the threesome with 2 trackside beauties at 500 K? I am pretty certain it could have been done for 300 K. These guys are really ruining the market by overpaying.

But then, if the trackside beauties are not at all rushed and are much better than massage places and other brothels like Classic, then we might be on to something here![/QUOTE]

We went to the Hotel Shangri-La for New Year's Eve. The band at BATS was great a couple of months ago with that Venezuelan chick in it. But the new band is absolute crap. I will not be going back to BATS until they change that band. That's the worst band I've seen in Jakarta in 20 years. If they want to charge such ridiculous prices for drinks, they need to do better than that.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2408681]That's a good choice these days if you like getting arrested in police raids. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJkCWjL6FIQ&feature=youtu.be[/URL].

.[/QUOTE]Do they arrest the customers in the rooms or only the ladies? Can they take action against the guest in the bar?

Cannot understand the report in the video.

[QUOTE=Thampi62;2408792]Do they arrest the customers in the rooms or only the ladies? Can they take action against the guest in the bar?

Cannot understand the report in the video.[/QUOTE]This raid they used cameras, so it was likely somewhat high profile. I was not there during that raid so I don't know the details. However, I have been caught up in a similar raid in the past. At that raid, the police also brought the cameras and I did what I could to avoid getting filmed, but it was not easy. The cops basically did whatever they wanted to do. Some of them acted like jerks, others seemed OK. They searched everyone for drugs, and those who did have drugs were arrested. They shook me down for some money just for being there then let me go (I did not have any drugs, but I got the impression they could have planted some on me if they wanted, so I was more than happy to give them money and get out of there). I was lucky that I wasn't in a room when they arrived. I knew a Japanese guy who was in a room when they raided and he had to pay a lot more than I did. He even got arrested and I think they kept a record of that. I'm not sure how that affected him going forward. The place that was raided stayed open for a while longer, but was eventually shut down.

I was also caught up in a raid at Kota Indah before where the police did not have cameras with them that time so it was likely less high profile. They were mainly arresting the girls that time. I was just sitting downstairs, and they shook me down for 500 k and let me go. The places at Kota Indah are far more likely to be raided than a place like Hotel Classic or Malioboro. I've never seen a raid at the big places like Classic or Malioboro. Something is going on for them to start targeting Kota Indah. That's usually not a good sign when they raid a place and film it. And the fact that they were finding drugs does not bode well for things.

[QUOTE=Thampi62;2408792]Do they arrest the customers in the rooms or only the ladies? Can they take action against the guest in the bar?

Cannot understand the report in the video.[/QUOTE]The video says that it was a drugs bust. Five visitors were arrested because they either had drugs on them or their urine test was "positive".

[QUOTE=Madista;2407831]Hey fellows,




2. I'll be staying in Best Western Mangga Dua. Is the hotel ladies friendly? (Suppose I pickup girls and ask them to come to my room).


Any help appreciated. Happy mongering![/QUOTE]Hotel is guest friendly but not very nice unfortunately. Good location for Kotah Indah.

For the first floor to the left of the main entrance where you find the couch girls can you pay for everything at the end? I paid as I went along for girl and drop drinks. Just curious if I could have paid for everything when I give back my wristband.

[QUOTE=TripleX;2408908]Hotel is guest friendly but not very nice unfortunately. Good location for Kotah Indah.[/QUOTE]Thank You very much for the help. May I know what do you meant by "but not very nice unfortunately"?

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2408805]This raid they used cameras, so it was likely somewhat high profile. I was not there during that raid so I don't know the details. However, I have been caught up in a similar raid in the past. At that raid, the police also brought the cameras and I did what I could to avoid getting filmed, but it was not easy. The cops basically did whatever they wanted to do. Some of them acted like jerks, others seemed OK. They searched everyone for drugs, and those who did have drugs were arrested. They shook me down for some money just for being there then let me go (I did not have any drugs, but I got the impression they could have planted some on me if they wanted, so I was more than happy to give them money and get out of there). I was lucky that I wasn't in a room when they arrived. I knew a Japanese guy who was in a room when they raided and he had to pay a lot more than I did. He even got arrested and I think they kept a record of that. I'm not sure how that affected him going forward. The place that was raided stayed open for a while longer, but was eventually shut down.

I was also caught up in a raid at Kota Indah before where the police did not have cameras with them that time so it was likely less high profile. They were mainly arresting the girls that time. I was just sitting downstairs, and they shook me down for 500 k and let me go. The places at Kota Indah are far more likely to be raided than a place like Hotel Classic or Malioboro. I've never seen a raid at the big places like Classic or Malioboro. Something is going on for them to start targeting Kota Indah. That's usually not a good sign when they raid a place and film it. And the fact that they were finding drugs does not bode well for things.[/QUOTE]These places that got raided did not pay enough bribes and that's why they are targeted. Based on third party account, once you are pulled into their police stations, it will likely cost a minimum of 20 million to get yourself out. The police head need their cut of the spoils.

If they really want to do something about drugs, they would have and could have targeted Crown. They were in fact closed a few times a whole back, but have reopened since then. Guess they have wised up and paid enough protection money since then.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2408756]We went to the Hotel Shangri-La for New Year's Eve. The band at BATS was great a couple of months ago with that Venezuelan chick in it. But the new band is absolute crap. I will not be going back to BATS until they change that band. That's the worst band I've seen in Jakarta in 20 years. If they want to charge such ridiculous prices for drinks, they need to do better than that.[/QUOTE]BATS and CJs sucks. There should be some kind of public service announcement telling mongers to avoid those tourist traps. Two of the most overrated places in SEA.

Meanwhile, the Classic dancers are back to virtually showing their tits. They're covered by shear fabric and gives a full view of their tits.

Let's hope it doesn't rain tonight. We might get through it if it doesn't.

[QUOTE=LookAtWorld;2407949]I just ended a week's trip to Jakarta and spent most of the time at Classic. Only one new piece of information that I can add to Classic I believe is not already covered here.

Taking a girl for full night - 9 pm to morning (either 5 am or 6 am) will cost 3 M. She can only be taken to Classic hotel rooms. If you don't stay there, you need to rent a room for the night there.[/QUOTE]One hour session with basic girls in Classic on floor 2 was 365 K. I asked how much the overnight would be for her and said it would be X10 because I am taking her out of the hotel. Not sure why they have this rule, it's obviously not worth it. If you take her to Classic hotel it's X5 for overnight (until 11 AM I think).

Last day, day 3 (Sunday):

Took one girl for 1. 5 M for an hour at the Colleseum. Unrushed service, very polite girl, spent at least half hour giving me BBBJ as I was quite drunk. Previous night at Classic for 365 K the BJ was covered. High quality rooms. Overall better than Classic, but then again it's X5 the cost and fewer girls to select from.

Colleseum has a bar on first floor that I stopped by for a drink on my way out, it was full of girls. These are escort. They are quoted at 6-7 M by a guy who manages them. Gorgeous girls, very well dressed, young and wearing designer clothes and bags, but I passed: I can get better and hotter in Europe for much much less. I've met two local guys there who were also shocked at these prices. We then all went to Club 36 (or maybe 86). The girls were 6 M for an hour, and also same price or the night. The local guys were shocked as well, this made no sense to them at all.

Then I went to Golden Crown. It was quite slow. I walked up to a group of two girls and several guys and took one girl's WhatsApp, then right away messaged her offering money. She joined me a few hours later and stayed until next day in the afternoon. Pretty, she was Hi or coming off a Hi, 19 year old with amazing body. I wish more bules would go to Golden Crown to keep this going: to me this is as close to true hunt can be apart from 1. 2 M I agreed to give her to get her to my hotel.

Conclusion: can still get cheap pussy in Jakarta but not as cheap as before if you want very high end girls, Tinder game not as good as before (even though I got many matches), and reading about the drug raids makes it altogether a less appealing a destination than a few years ago, sadly.

I paid much higher price as per this because I took the girl to my hotel room inside Classic. Will it depend on the girl? Or maybe just plain scam that I fell into.

[QUOTE=SeanEZ;2409021]One hour session with basic girls in Classic on floor 2 was 365 K. I asked how much the overnight would be for her and said it would be X10 because I am taking her out of the hotel. Not sure why they have this rule, it's obviously not worth it. If you take her to Classic hotel it's X5 for overnight (until 11 AM I think).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2408975]These places that got raided did not pay enough bribes and that's why they are targeted. Based on third party account, once you are pulled into their police stations, it will likely cost a minimum of 20 million to get yourself out. The police head need their cut of the spoils.

If they really want to do something about drugs, they would have and could have targeted Crown. They were in fact closed a few times a whole back, but have reopened since then. Guess they have wised up and paid enough protection money since then.[/QUOTE]I have been told (and it's public news) that Golden Crown was shutdown by the new governor which was his election campaign promise. It's still shutdown, only left wing is open and it's about 1/10th of the size of the main room. I used to love that place, still do, read the report below. For picking up young freelance girls.

Regarding the raids, what's the name of the place where this happened? Is this something that happens often? 20 M is a lot.

[QUOTE=Thampi62;2408145]Hi friends,

I was using Sildenafil (Viagra or Penegra) and Tadalafil (Tazzle or Cialis or Tadacip) from 2014 onwards. Penegra gave a lot of discomfort to me as severe headache and tiredness. Then I shifted to Tadalafil the so called weekened pill. The result was awesome. I started with 10 MG one and a half to two hour before action. No after effects except a mild back ache. Last one year I find out my rhythm by starting 20 MG on my first day two hour before action and 10 MG every other day during my action period. It gave me excellent result. Now I am not at all worried about my action that I am ready at any situation for action whatever the mindset is. Confidence is at its peak. LOL.

Enjoy New year with confidence in action.

Happy mongering.

Regards.[/QUOTE]If you could possibly give your age it would be interesting. As a note I am 79, look a bit younger, and sometimes a little extra help would be nice.

[QUOTE=MrClen;2409082]If you could possibly give your age it would be interesting. As a note I am 79, look a bit younger, and sometimes a little extra help would be nice.[/QUOTE]I am only slightly younger than you and follow much the same routine. It also works very well for me.

GE.

[QUOTE=SeanEZ;2409026] We then all went to Club 36 (or maybe 86). The girls were 6 M for an hour, and also same price or the night. The local guys were shocked as well, this made no sense to them at all.[/QUOTE]Thanks. I always mean to go to Club 36 but keep forgetting the place exists when I'm in Jakarta. Now I can write it off for good. Are the girls that much hotter than the hottest girl at Classic who I can ficken for 365k rupiah? I'm not paying 6 million rupiah ($432 US) for any girl in any country. For that kind of money I may as well blow all my cash in a karaoke bar like Octagon Karaoke in Blok M.

[QUOTE=SeanEZ;2409030]Regarding the raids, what's the name of the place where this happened?[/QUOTE]The recent police raid was at New Sari Ayu in Kota Indah. Anyone who has ever been there will easily recognize it in that video.

It's a shame that Golden Crown got shut down. That was a great place to pick up free lancers. Lots of University girls there. Those girls didn't even want money, they just wanted you to assist them with their entertainment for the night. The problem was they wouldn't go home until the sun came up in the morning. For those of us who work, it was not a viable option except on weekends. They used to have some great nude dancers at Golden Crown in the smaller area to the left years ago, but they don't have anything like that now.

Club 36 used to be a fun place to watch the nude Thai dancers. But they haven't been nude in a damn long time. I've never taken a girl from there.

Let's face it, the entire scene is not as fun anymore.

[QUOTE=MrClen;2409082]If you could possibly give your age it would be interesting. As a note I am 79, look a bit younger, and sometimes a little extra help would be nice.[/QUOTE]I am 57 and you can try the dose if you are really in need of it. 20 MG is the recommended dose. Trial and error method will be the effective way.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2408805] (I did not have any drugs, but I got the impression they could have planted some on me if they wanted, so I was more than happy to give them money and get out of there). .[/QUOTE]That is the worst scenario can be expected. I wish to visit Kotah Indah. But these things pulling me back. So sad. How frequently the raid happens in these areas? In Pattaya I faced the raids twice. But the police was friendly to the tourists. They are checking the IDs of girls. If drugs involves the scene will be a different one.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2409102]For that kind of money I may as well blow all my cash in a karaoke bar like Octagon Karaoke in Blok M.[/QUOTE]I haven't been to Blok M in a while, but the girls from that place used to go to Dees place next door after it closed. Those girls didn't ask for any more money than the normal girls at Dees. I am surprised that Octagon is that expensive.

[QUOTE=Madista;2408929]Thank You very much for the help. May I know what do you meant by "but not very nice unfortunately"?[/QUOTE]Old hotel also used as apartment building. Not well maintained.

Got a girl from a tout on a moped in Loksari square. Saw a few others in the area too. Mostly below average girls but a few cute ones. Paid 400,000.

Anyone tried Loksari Spa Sauna there or a club named Cherry?

[QUOTE=Thampi62;2409163]In Pattaya I faced the raids twice.[/QUOTE]Which bars in Pattaya were you in that got raided while you were there? Are you talking about a real raid or one were the police walk in for show and take some photos for publicity? I've never been in a Pattaya raid and that's going out day and night about 1000 times up to 10 gogo bars per night over the past 4+ years.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2408975]These places that got raided did not pay enough bribes and that's why they are targeted. Based on third party account, once you are pulled into their police stations, it will likely cost a minimum of 20 million to get yourself out. The police head need their cut of the spoils...[/QUOTE]How does one pay 20 million? I like to carry extra cash with me in case a need arises to get out of a situation (or in case I miscalculate a cost, or an exceptional opportunity for fun arises. More hot girls than I expected). But I don't carry t h a t much. I often don't take my bank cards because I don't want to lose them, but perhaps I should. But then presumably they would have to take one to an ATM to get the money, sounds a bit inconvenient for them. And my cards have limits on how much I can take out in cash during a week. And it's not very attractive to text the wife and ask her to make an international bank transfer to a police officers account either. So how is this done? And how is it negotiated? Presumably it is also risky to just start offering lots of money.

My assumption is that it is always better to get out of such a situation as soon as possible and at whatever cost necessary. The lower in the system one bails out, the cheaper I expect and the greater the risk reduction in terms of avoiding getting stuck long term or public disclosure (involvement of embassy etc.).

One of my precautions is to always know where my cialis / apcalis pill is. If I get raided / stopped somewhere, the hope is that I will be able to discreetly drop it on the floor. The moment I sense danger, I find the pill and lodge it between two fingers, then if things get bad I just open the fingers and it falls to the floor. Or if I am in a car, slip it between the seat and the back rest. Obviously cialis is not illegal, but I am sure a small pill lying around in ones pocket would get a lot of attention. I carry them without wrapping because I only have about 0. 2 of a pill at a time, and only when I need it. And because the wrapping could draw more attention in other contexts like when being searched upon entry. Also obviously if one is noticed dropping a pill on the ground it will be even much worse. But in a big crowd or a dark taxi that is not such a great risk.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2408681]That's a good choice these days if you like getting arrested in police raids. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJkCWjL6FIQ&feature=youtu.be[/URL].

That is currently one of the least safe places to visit in Jakarta. They do not pay their protection money like places such as Hotel Classic and Malioboro do.[/QUOTE]From a very reliable source. KI was on target for a raid by the BNN to do urine tests this new years eve just gone 31/12. The only thing that stopped it was the rain.

Like smoothy says, its not whether you are free of drugs or not. But the fact that you are a bule. You have to understand that policing in Indonesia is just a business and the difference between you being in a world of pain or not is the color that they say your urine test is. You can protest all you like but in Indonesia, when the boss says to stand on your head in a puddle. That's what they all do and if the boss says your drug test was pink. Your screwed.

Its why when you drive in Jakarta, as well as scanning ahead for the texters and the angkots, you are always scanning the next corner for police as well. They are best avoided.

Hope that helps.

OS.

[QUOTE=Cucumber;2409242]How does one pay 20 million? I like to carry extra cash with me in case a need arises to get out of a situation I often don't take my bank cards because I don't want to lose them, but perhaps I should. But then presumably they would have to take one to an ATM to get the money, sounds a bit inconvenient for them. And my cards have limits on how much I can take out in cash during a week. So how is this done? And how is it negotiated? Presumably it is also risky to just start offering lots of money.
My assumption is that it is always better to get out of such a situation as soon as possible and at whatever cost necessary.[/QUOTE]Our assumption would be that the police themselves would be your best source for suggestions on how to accomplish this. We're sure they'll find the way less inconvenient to them. If you're ever in this situation, just roll with it. Let them guide you through it.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2409199]Which bars in Pattaya were you in that got raided while you were there? Are you talking about a real raid or one were the police walk in for show and take some photos for publicity? I've never been in a Pattaya raid and that's going out day and night about 1000 times up to 10 gogo bars per night over the past 4+ years.[/QUOTE]It was in Sailors bar. Soi 6. Police came searched and the IDs of all girls. Mamasan said it was rivalry among bars. The next was a police search in Eagles bar in Soi 8. But they left soon after checking some documents shown by mamasan. But in both places they were very friendly to the guests. It was in 2011 0 r12 . I know the police walk in in soi 6 . That is a regular thing.

In AC I saw A Police search in Club XS ON November 30th this year. They were searching for the proof of working ladies in the bar.

[QUOTE=Thampi62;2409276]It was in Sailors bar. Soi 6. Police came searched and the IDs of all girls. Mamasan said it was rivalry among bars. The next was a police search in Eagles bar in Soi 8. But they left soon after checking some documents shown by mamasan. But in both places they were very friendly to the guests. It was in 2011 0 r12 . I know the police walk in in soi 6 . That is a regular thing.

In AC I saw A Police search in Club XS ON November 30th this year. They were searching for the proof of working ladies in the bar.[/QUOTE]Its in Offshore Bar. Soi6. Not Sailors bar. Sailors bar in Soi 8. My regular place for breakfast at 70 Bath.

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2409245]From a very reliable source. KI was on target for a raid by the BNN to do urine tests this new years eve just gone 31/12. The only thing that stopped it was the rain.
OS.[/QUOTE]Is this something that has been happening recently? My concern would be that say I smoked pot in California a week before (not illegal), or Magic Shrooms in Gili T island (not illegal) and then get forced to do a urine test translates to 12 year prison sentence?

Sounds like the time has come to write Jakarta off my travel list.

[QUOTE=SeanEZ;2409281]Is this something that has been happening recently? My concern would be that say I smoked pot in California a week before (not illegal), or Magic Shrooms in Gili T island (not illegal) and then get forced to do a urine test translates to 12 year prison sentence?

Sounds like the time has come to write Jakarta off my travel list.[/QUOTE]Alas weed is detectable in yourin for up to 30 days after use in heavy users. Psylocibin is usually not tested for, although I'm sure it is illegal in Indonesia as well. These random tests are a good reason to stay away from Indonesia.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2408681]That's a good choice these days if you like getting arrested in police raids. [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJkCWjL6FIQ&feature=youtu.be[/URL].
That is currently one of the least safe places to visit in Jakarta. They do not pay their protection money like places such as Hotel Classic and Malioboro do.[/QUOTE]Jeez what a bad news! Just booked all my flights and hotels for my first trip in Indonesia, now reading about raids in the brothels I would like to visit. So bad.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2409353]Jeez what a bad news! Just booked all my flights and hotels for my first trip in Indonesia, now reading about raids in the brothels I would like to visit. So bad.[/QUOTE]I think these raids are still rare, you'll be fine.

Reading stuff like this makes me wonder where things are headed to:

[URL]https://www.reuters.com/article/us-indonesia-politics-rights/millions-may-risk-jail-as-indonesia-to-outlaw-sex-outside-marriage-idUSKBN1W32BV[/URL]

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2409353]Jeez what a bad news! Just booked all my flights and hotels for my first trip in Indonesia, now reading about raids in the brothels I would like to visit. So bad.[/QUOTE]I tell all my friends to get to Jakarta as soon as they can before it's gone. Many brothels have been shut down over the past few years. Many more will continue to be shut down by a government who is trying their best to lower tourism to their country.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2409353]Jeez what a bad news! Just booked all my flights and hotels for my first trip in Indonesia, now reading about raids in the brothels I would like to visit. So bad.[/QUOTE]If you stick with Malioboro and Hotel Classic, you should be fine.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2409440]If you stick with Malioboro and Hotel Classic, you should be fine.[/QUOTE]Wish to watch grabing a beer in the corner of the bars in Kotah Indah to see the happenings there. If a wingman with you can try rooms. He can warn you if anything happens out. As a first time visitor that is my choice of operation in KI.

[QUOTE=Thampi62;2409512]If a wingman with you can try rooms. He can warn you if anything happens out.[/QUOTE]LOL! Good luck. You obviously have never been caught up in one of those raids and have no clue what happens when those cops arrive.

I have never been caught in a raid inside Kings Cross, but the other night there was a fucking police road block just down the road from KC that I got stuck in. They pulled the "you must have your passport" scam and wanted money. I was so turned off by it that I didn't even go to King Cross, I just headed home for the night and called a girl to come to my place instead.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2409440]If you stick with Malioboro and Hotel Classic, you should be fine.[/QUOTE]Are more raids than usual right now?

[QUOTE=Marky1;2409005]BATS and CJs sucks. There should be some kind of public service announcement telling mongers to avoid those tourist traps. Two of the most overrated places in SEA.[/QUOTE]I like both of them when they have good bands. I will check the new band at CJs out soon, the one at BATS sucks. Tonight I will give Basque a shot.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2409440]If you stick with Malioboro and Hotel Classic, you should be fine.[/QUOTE]I would also add Colleseum to the list (super high end club starting from 1. 5 M per hour) and perhaps any other high end club.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2409518]I have never been caught in a raid inside Kings Cross, but the other night there was a fucking police road block just down the road from KC that I got stuck in. They pulled the "you must have your passport" scam and wanted money. I was so turned off by it that I didn't even go to King Cross, I just headed home for the night and called a girl to come to my place instead.[/QUOTE]I'm starting to get the sense that Jakarta is becoming more hassle than it's worth. Be that the case, the governments plans are working out fine for them.

[QUOTE=Stykler;2409769]I'm starting to get the sense that Jakarta is becoming more hassle than it's worth. Be that the case, the governments plans are working out fine for them.[/QUOTE]Yeah I also got pulled over in Jakarta less than a month ago. I was being driven around by a 26 year old who I met on Tinder. The cop was a total asshole, fabricated some bullshit traffic violation and made me pay. Basically he saw us coming a mile away and saw an easy quick buck, I would have loved to have smacked him as he was such a slimy little shit.

[QUOTE=BkkVistor77;2409781]Yeah I also got pulled over in Jakarta less than a month ago. I was being driven around by a 26 year old who I met on Tinder. The cop was a total asshole, fabricated some bullshit traffic violation and made me pay.[/QUOTE]How much did you have to pay? Just a thought but are you sure this Tinder girl didn't know there was a road stop with her buddy cop working and drove you on that route purposely?

[QUOTE=Stykler;2409769]I'm starting to get the sense that Jakarta is becoming more hassle than it's worth. Be that the case, the governments plans are working out fine for them.[/QUOTE]

Stop the paranoia guys! Nothing has changed since I started going to Jakarta. We all know about the traffic cop scams. Happens in many SEA countries. On a daily basis where I am in Thailand. There used to be more police raids before a couple of years ago where major clubs were being shut down completely.

I'm getting to Jakarta tomorrow. Stuck in JOG today due to bad planning on my part. Haven't ever been before to Jakarta. I've read a bunch of reports, older and recent. I guess I'm going to check out Classic (and Travel?) and Emporium. I read previously that Malio club is where you get mobbed for drinks and Malioboro is a bit tamer. The variants and different floors are a bit confusing.

I was thinking of swapping out my Four Points reservation for Shangrila and stay there for 4 days. I definitely want to check out BATS.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2409842]How much did you have to pay? Just a thought but are you sure this Tinder girl didn't know there was a road stop with her buddy cop working and drove you on that route purposely?

Stop the paranoia guys! Nothing has changed since I started going to Jakarta. We all know about the traffic cop scams. Happens in many SEA countries. On a daily basis where I am in Thailand. There used to be more police raids before a couple of years ago where major clubs were being shut down completely.[/QUOTE]It would be quite an elaborate plan to conspire with police to have a roadblock set up. Wouldn't it be easier to just fuck him for money?

I've been a victim of a police checkpoint and they took hundreds of dollars from me.

[QUOTE=Maila;2409864]I'm getting to Jakarta tomorrow. Stuck in JOG today due to bad planning on my part. Haven't ever been before to Jakarta. I've read a bunch of reports, older and recent. I guess I'm going to check out Classic (and Travel?) and Emporium. I read previously that Malio club is where you get mobbed for drinks and Malioboro is a bit tamer. The variants and different floors are a bit confusing.

I was thinking of swapping out my Four Points reservation for Shangrila and stay there for 4 days. I definitely want to check out BATS.[/QUOTE]You will get mobbed for drinks at Classic as well. I don't enjoy groping women in public, so this is not my thing. To avoid being hooked for payment, just firmly say no when the girl approaches, and don't touch the woman even if she tries to take your hands to put on her boobs; turn away if she tries to sit in your crotch. Once you touch her, it is grounds for paying. Yeah some dancers get pissed off for being rejected, but better they are pissed off then you are pissed off.

At Classic, different floors just means different clubs; but the operation is pretty much the same; girl quality is same as well. It's timing-based random luck whom you get to select. The dancer teams rotate among the different clubs.

[QUOTE=BJtemp;2409919]You will get mobbed for drinks at Classic as well. I don't enjoy groping women in public, so this is not my thing. To avoid being hooked for payment, just firmly say no when the girl approaches, and don't touch the woman even if she tries to take your hands to put on her boobs; turn away if she tries to sit in your crotch. Once you touch her, it is grounds for paying. Yeah some dancers get pissed off for being rejected, but better they are pissed off then you are pissed off.

At Classic, different floors just means different clubs; but the operation is pretty much the same; girl quality is same as well. It's timing-based random luck whom you get to select. The dancer teams rotate among the different clubs.[/QUOTE]Hmm. Oh well. I mean, I don't mind paying for drink for a girl who sits and chats with you, with fondling and flirting. But that requires language skills. Doesn't seem most girls know how to speak English here and I couldn't say a word in Bahasa. Also, being mobbed is another different issue.

But, I do like a fun atmosphere with some dancing or some such activity. Then, I can linger around, etc. Like those Patong bars, but I understand Jakarta is different. I think I read previously that Malio Club was a lot of fun but it was a while ago. One should have something to do between sessions, right? .

[QUOTE=Maila;2409977]Hmm. Oh well. I mean, I don't mind paying for drink for a girl who sits and chats with you, with fondling and flirting. But that requires language skills. Doesn't seem most girls know how to speak English here and I couldn't say a word in Bahasa. Also, being mobbed is another different issue.

But, I do like a fun atmosphere with some dancing or some such activity. Then, I can linger around, etc. Like those Patong bars, but I understand Jakarta is different. I think I read previously that Malio Club was a lot of fun but it was a while ago. One should have something to do between sessions, right? .[/QUOTE]I never figured out what you are supposed to get for buying the dancer drinks. I know you get to touch their boobs and butt, but for how long I don't know. Maybe some monger friends in the know can educate us on this.

My one experience with the dancer was, she forced herself upon me, then started to pick up drinks from the the trailing worker's tray (looks like liquor but likely just tea). Boom-Boom-Boom, 3 drinks, she asked for the number, sign the bill, and she was gone.

From beginning to end about 2 minutes. Not worth it.

I heard - but not 100% sure as I don't like to do things in the public - with 365K payment, the same money as going to room, you can elect to have a girl at the table for the full hour. But as you have indicated, if you don't speak bahasa and they don't speak English, it's hard to have fun sitting around.

[QUOTE=BJtemp;2409982]I never figured out what you are supposed to get for buying the dancer drinks. I know you get to touch their boobs and butt, but for how long I don't know. Maybe some monger friends in the know can educate us on this.

My one experience with the dancer was, she forced herself upon me, then started to pick up drinks from the the trailing worker's tray (looks like liquor but likely just tea). Boom-Boom-Boom, 3 drinks, she asked for the number, sign the bill, and she was gone.

From beginning to end about 2 minutes. Not worth it.

I heard - but not 100% sure as I don't like to do things in the public - with 365K payment, the same money as going to room, you can elect to have a girl at the table for the full hour. But as you have indicated, if you don't speak bahasa and they don't speak English, it's hard to have fun sitting around.[/QUOTE]Yeah, it can be a rip off too. In Tijuana, they get handsy with you on their own. In Patong, it was fine, they sat with you, chatted, played games, got a little handsy, etc. , and most of of these places it was like 10-15 minutes. I liked it. But I know some guys want to pick up a girl and leave and not interested in anything else.

I think often (not always) it's good to see if they seem like they might be receptive to you if you take them for sex. Doesn't always work. Then, there was the time in Patong, when the girl didn't even drink the damn thing and just upped an left after a few minutes. So, there's that too.

But, I thought in (many?) Jakarta places, you were required to buy them drinks (4?) if you wanted to take them to the room. I'm probably mixing up establishments here.

I just returned from Jakarta; am preparing my report. Mainly dealing with pictures, which takes a a bit longer to sort through. But I want to raise a separate question first.

As I travel through the city, I saw one shitty neighborhood after another. At many spots right at the center of the the city, even next to the museums and govt buildings, there are building ruins. I have not seen one true "nice area" in Jakarta, and decent-condition buildings are few and far in between. I went to Mangga Dua mall; inside the mall is OK, just outside the mall... shitty.

The sewage gutters are mostly clogged by garbage. The area around Classic is pretty old and run-down as well. It flooded after the new year eve rain.

Why is the city so run-down?! Where are the nice areas in Jakarta (if they exist)?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2409842]We all know about the traffic cop scams. Happens in many SEA countries. On a daily basis where I am in Thailand.[/QUOTE]Thailand is nothing like Jakarta for police raids. On the very rare occasion I have been stopped by the police in Thailand, they were polite and have never made me pay anything at all. One time they made my Thai girlfriend at the time, who was driving, pay a small fee. But she was absolutely in the wrong on that occasion and if it had been in the USA, she would have gotten a ticket for sure. I think she gave them 300 baht. That's nothing if you ask me. It's the exact opposite in Jakarta. The police go out of their way to cause you shit over nothing and pressure you to pay. They will pull the taxi over and not say a word to the taxi driver, they will go directly after you in the back seat because they know you have a lot more money than the taxi driver. Indonesia is by far the worst place in Asia for this type of police shakedown. The only countries I have seen that even compare to the kind of police corruption you see in Indonesia are in Africa.

That being said, I still don't worry so much about the police shakedowns at the traffic stops. The most they will want is about a million rupiah (about 70 USD) and I consider that just to be one of the prices that have to be paid while in Indonesia. It's not something that happens very day or even every month. I guess it could happen to me more often, but I don't go out late at night that often anymore.

In Thailand, I have been at Soi Cowboy and also at Nana when the Thai police raided the place and shut it down. On those occasions, it was a total no effect at all on me because the police simply kicked us out and didn't hassle us at all. The only negative effect on me was that they closed the places down so I lost an evening of fun. The Indonesian police raid at a place like Sari Ayu is a totally different deal. You do not want to be in a place like Sari Ayu if it gets raided by the police for drugs because that could possibly be real trouble.

I decided to try social media, specifically Tinder. Having no luck on that thing. What puzzles me is that these women either don't talk or if they do, it's in one syllable. You ask them a small question as a conversation starter and I just get a "why" or something. I guess these are not all working women, otherwise, one could just ask for their rate directly.

These tinder matches just go nowhere for me. Not liking it. Even conceptually, you can like a person but you can't really message them and have to depend on them randomly coming across your profile and liking it without knowing that you liked their profile. (I know, a subscription "solves" this problem they created. But it narrows down the pool so much if we're talking only about paid subscribers.) I got their "gold" subscription or whatever.

I think I'm done trying to get girls using social media. Too much time and effort for not enough gain. Twitter had slightly better results in Jogja. I also understand other people would have a different experience based on their background / demographics.

[QUOTE=BJtemp;2409988]I just returned from Jakarta; am preparing my report. Mainly dealing with pictures, which takes a a bit longer to sort through. But I want to raise a separate question first.

As I travel through the city, I saw one shitty neighborhood after another. At many spots right at the center of the the city, even next to the museums and govt buildings, there are building ruins. I have not seen one true "nice area" in Jakarta, and decent-condition buildings are few and far in between. I went to Mangga Dua mall; inside the mall is OK, just outside the mall... shitty.

The sewage gutters are mostly clogged by garbage. The area around Classic is pretty old and run-down as well. It flooded after the new year eve rain.

Why is the city so run-down?! Where are the nice areas in Jakarta (if they exist)?[/QUOTE]Even for developing countries, some of these cities in SEA seem to be really lagging in development. I thought Bali was weird. Such a big tourist location and barely any infrastructure at all where walking seemed better than being in a car. Although, funny story, I took this tour in jogja and they took me to this village, which had decent roads, built schools, and everything. It was oddly much better developed than what I saw in Bali. I was recently in Cebu and I though that was pretty shitty.

You would think the capital city would be better. I mean, compare against Bangkok for instance. Maybe they'll make a nicer new capital city:-the.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2409842]How much did you have to pay? Just a thought but are you sure this Tinder girl didn't know there was a road stop with her buddy cop working and drove you on that route purposely?
[/QUOTE]LOL, no, she definitely wasn't. I think I had to hand over 500 k, which from what my friend told me, is significantly more than the norm. She said one had to cough up 200 or 300 k and generally they'd be happy, but not this time. Anyway, I've had worse, no biggie, and I understand that these guys are on shit wages and see us as an easy target, it's all in the game, but it's still unpleasant.

[QUOTE=BJtemp;2409988]I just returned from Jakarta; am preparing my report. Mainly dealing with pictures, which takes a a bit longer to sort through. But I want to raise a separate question first.

As I travel through the city, I saw one shitty neighborhood after another. At many spots right at the center of the the city, even next to the museums and govt buildings, there are building ruins. I have not seen one true "nice area" in Jakarta, and decent-condition buildings are few and far in between. I went to Mangga Dua mall; inside the mall is OK, just outside the mall... shitty.

The sewage gutters are mostly clogged by garbage. The area around Classic is pretty old and run-down as well. It flooded after the new year eve rain.

Why is the city so run-down?! Where are the nice areas in Jakarta (if they exist)?[/QUOTE]Where do you live? I used to think same thing when entering NJ from Manhattan and it went on for miles, worse than Jakarta in my opinion. But it is much worse in India than anywhere else I've seen.

Are you there for pussy or sightseeing? If sightseeing Central and South Jakarta are cleaner and generally more developed than Kota Mangga Dua area of the North.

[QUOTE=SeanEZ;2410064]Where do you live? I used to think same thing when entering NJ from Manhattan and it went on for miles, worse than Jakarta in my opinion. But it is much worse in India than anywhere else I've seen.

Are you there for pussy or sightseeing? If sightseeing Central and South Jakarta are cleaner and generally more developed than Kota Mangga Dua area of the North.[/QUOTE]I am no fan of New Jersey but Jakarta is in a class of its own. There are just so many old and ruined homes, with debris sitting onsite seemingly for a long time and weeds growing wild, all happening in city's center.

I usually stay at Classic, or Red Planet, or this time at Heef. All around Pasar Baru. I'm there for pussy but one can only do it so many times a day. You got to do some other tourist stuff.

Truth of the matter is I like Jakarta and will go on a monthly basis. Am contemplating buying a little place there.

[QUOTE=BJtemp;2410086]Truth of the matter is I like Jakarta and will go on a monthly basis. Am contemplating buying a little place there.[/QUOTE]To be honest I am not buying this whole government wants to get rid of tourism thing. Look at Bali, the way the place has improved over the years is incredible, so many beautiful hotels, bars, places, clubs, even the roads are good, I've met so many Europeans and Americans who moved there and working remotely, etc etc. You never know what is going to happen in Jakarta but if things continue to develop as they have been real estate should continue to go up in value.

[QUOTE=BJtemp;2410086]Truth of the matter is I like Jakarta and will go on a monthly basis. Am contemplating buying a little place there.[/QUOTE]Are you an Indonesian citizen? If not, buying property in Indonesia is not easy. If you do buy something, I would be curious of the details. As far as I know, the best you can do "buying" a place is get a 30 year contract then lose the place after that. The properties I bought in Indonesia are not in my name, I had to get an Indonesian to buy them for me.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2410197]Are you an Indonesian citizen? If not, buying property in Indonesia is not easy. If you do buy something, I would be curious of the details. As far as I know, the best you can do "buying" a place is get a 30 year contract then lose the place after that. The properties I bought in Indonesia are not in my name, I had to get an Indonesian to buy them for me.[/QUOTE]For personal use, a property in Jakarta can be made as nice as I want and bypass all that hotel checking stuff. As an investment, Jakarta is one of the most potential in all Asia. And the price is very low (USD10-15 per sqft) so downside is minimal. My agent says those ruined homes are worth just USD20 K. I see buying in Jakarta as pure win situation.

The major drawback of Jakarta for me is food. Local food looks unappetizing to put in mildly. While there I survive on mostly on western fast food. KFC, Domino's, Pizza Hut. Even at KFC they don't do chicken quite right, but at least eatable. Jonisteak's Wagyu steak is good, although I don't think any the meat they give you is the cut shown in menu.

The land title restriction is a show-stopping problem. I have no one to do this for me, and am still studying the strata title law. Can I have someone own the land, and enter a 9999 year lease for 0 dollars? Can I park the land title with the government? I feel I can trust the govt more than an individual, because logically the spirit of the law is to prevent foreigners from controlling the land, not that government is intending to rip off foreigners. I hope to go into the Land Use department to see if any such arrangement is possible. Will also need to talk to a lawyer.

Overall I just think Indonesia needs to bring in foreign investment and foreigners if they want to modernize. People think of colonial times and think foreigners coming in is a bad thing; it really isn't. Singapore is so rich today mainly because it modernized, and dare I say, westernized. China has done the same thing. So what if foreigners make some money in the process? Foreign investment creates tremendous wealth for the country and its people; everyone wins.

I meant USD10-15 per sqft to build, based on my research.

[QUOTE=BJtemp;2410266]And the price is very low (USD10-15 per sqft) so downside is minimal.[/QUOTE]I am curious where that is. Doesn't sound like Jakarta. My apartment building in Jakarta sells for USD 140 per sq ft, and it's nothing special. I would even call it down market.

[QUOTE=BJtemp;2410266]For personal use, a property in Jakarta can be made as nice as I want and bypass all that hotel checking stuff. As an investment, Jakarta is one of the most potential in all Asia. And the price is very low (USD10-15 per sqft) so downside is minimal. My agent says those ruined homes are worth just USD20 K. I see buying in Jakarta as pure win situation.[/QUOTE]In case you weren't aware, Jakarta is the fastest sinking city in the world and expected to be underwater by 2050. Works out perfectly with the 30 year contract!

Bangkok is the other scary SEA city to invest in as it will be sitting below sea level by 2030!

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2410294]In case you weren't aware, Jakarta is the fastest sinking city in the world and expected to be underwater by 2050. Works out perfectly with the 30 year contract!

Bangkok is the other scary SEA city to invest in as it will be sitting below sea level by 2030![/QUOTE]That just means buying at higher ground location, no? Maybe my inland property will one day become oceanfront and be worth more.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2410294]In case you weren't aware, Jakarta is the fastest sinking city in the world and expected to be underwater by 2050. Works out perfectly with the 30 year contract!

Bangkok is the other scary SEA city to invest in as it will be sitting below sea level by 2030![/QUOTE]Supposedly they are moving the capital from Jakarta to Kalimantan.

[QUOTE=BJtemp;2410301]That just means buying at higher ground location, no? Maybe my inland property will one day become oceanfront and be worth more. =).[/QUOTE]Well, the Indonesian government has already announced that it's building a new capital city on a different island.

[QUOTE=Maila;2410316]Well, the Indonesian government has already announced that it's building a new capital city on a different island.[/QUOTE]President announced a 10 year plan to transfer all government offices to the new proposed capital city in Islands of Borneo at the area of East Kalimantan. Is that the reason for all these raids? Shifting the action places in Kotah Indah and followed by other places first to the proposed capital followed by government offices. Then it will be easy to shift the mongers. LOL.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2409517]LOL! Good luck. You obviously have never been caught up in one of those raids and have no clue what happens when those cops arrive.[/QUOTE]So it will be better to stay in my hotels Classic and be Fashion for action during my first visit in Jakarta and buy some GFE from CJ and BATS. So sad. But I can try some window shopping in Kotah Indah and Kelapa Garding along with. LOL.

[QUOTE=Maila;2409999]I decided to try social media, specifically Tinder. Having no luck on that thing. What puzzles me is that these women either don't talk or if they do, it's in one syllable. You ask them a small question as a conversation starter and I just get a "why" or something. I guess these are not all working women, otherwise, one could just ask for their rate directly.

These tinder matches just go nowhere for me. Not liking it.

I also understand other people would have a different experience based on their background / demographics.[/QUOTE]Online dating in Asia works only if you are white looking (you needn't to be white). Would like to know how Mr. ENT scores so well in Thai online scene even being a non-white.

[QUOTE=KilledSoul;2410407]Online dating in Asia works only if you are white looking (you needn't to be white). Would like to know how Mr. ENT scores so well in Thai online scene even being a non-white.[/QUOTE]Yes, you would be correct. I guess that's not so much different than dating elsewhere 😀 or anything else haha. But we got to play the game with the cards we were dealt.

[QUOTE=BJtemp;2409988]I just returned from Jakarta; am preparing my report. Mainly dealing with pictures, which takes a a bit longer to sort through. But I want to raise a separate question first.

As I travel through the city, I saw one shitty neighborhood after another. At many spots right at the center of the the city, even next to the museums and govt buildings, there are building ruins. I have not seen one true "nice area" in Jakarta, and decent-condition buildings are few and far in between. I went to Mangga Dua mall; inside the mall is OK, just outside the mall... shitty.

The sewage gutters are mostly clogged by garbage. The area around Classic is pretty old and run-down as well. It flooded after the new year eve rain.

Why is the city so run-down?! Where are the nice areas in Jakarta (if they exist)?[/QUOTE]These are emerging economies. What did you expect?

The nice areas are usually where the ambassadors and local politicians / business people live.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2410293]I am curious where that is. Doesn't sound like Jakarta. My apartment building in Jakarta sells for USD 140 per sq ft, and it's nothing special. I would even call it down market.[/QUOTE]Is your apartment a high rise building? High rise condos and apartments have higher cost per sqft because of the additional mechanical and electrical stuff needed to make high rise possible, such as elevators, lobby area, hallways, etc. For low rise dwellings it's cheaper if those things can be eliminated.

The 10-15 USD / sqft figure is from an individual who posted on Quora (his actual reported figure is 1. 5 mil IDR / M2). Exactly where I don't know; the question is about Indonesia. I separately have a found cost quote from a construction company, for 340 USD / M2, or 34 USD / sqft, doubling the individual's figure, and this is specifically for Jakarta area. The two figures somewhat checks out, because construction company might have certain standards and also they need to make a profit. So the actual range for low rise dwelling is probably somewhere around 10-30 USD / sqft. This type of dwelling is not going to sell at the price of glitzy high rise buildings; but it will have its market.

I, for one, only care about maximizing my in-unit space; I try to minimize public area. I think this gives the most bang for the buck.

I visit BATS tonight. What a disappointment. There were a total of about ten fairly well-dressed FLs. But, they were rather old and ugly. It was all very amusing and horrifying at the same time. There were old men dancing with each other while FLs sat smoking like chimneys looking at them.

I'm not sure if there is some sort of cover to enter BATS. When I went there, they asked me if I was staying at the hotel and asked to see my key card. Then when I showed it to them, they "opened" a closed lane to walk through to the bar.

Two FLs came and joined me while I was hanging out by myself. I couldn't even muster excitement at even talking with them. It was bad.

I found only one girl who seemed in the 20's and attractive but I didn't make a move on her holding out for something better. I saw that girl not even able to walk straight so I figured this could be a case where she lands on a bed and crashes to sleep. But, I and hindsight, I could have had her. I saw some heavy negotiations taking place. I figured more FLs would arrive but none did. I went after 11:30 and stuck around till 2 am wondering if I came in far too early.

I thought the band was decent enough.

Don't think I'm going to head anywhere at 3 am, but will hit up other things tomorrow. Not sure if there are daytime options, but I read that one can hit Classic around 4:30 pm. I wonder if any of the "spa" places might be open earlier, or a soapy or something.

[QUOTE=Maila;2410597]I visit BATS tonight. What a disappointment. There were a total of about ten fairly well-dressed FLs. But, they were rather old and ugly. It was all very amusing and horrifying at the same time. There were old men dancing with each other while FLs sat smoking like chimneys looking at them.

I'm not sure if there is some sort of cover to enter BATS. When I went there, they asked me if I was staying at the hotel and asked to see my key card. Then when I showed it to them, they "opened" a closed lane to walk through to the bar.

Two FLs came and joined me while I was hanging out by myself. I couldn't even muster excitement at even talking with them. It was bad.

I found only one girl who seemed in the 20's and attractive but I didn't make a move on her holding out for something better. I saw that girl not even able to walk straight so I figured this could be a case where she lands on a bed and crashes to sleep. But, I and hindsight, I could have had her. I saw some heavy negotiations taking place. I figured more FLs would arrive but none did. I went after 11:30 and stuck around till 2 am wondering if I came in far too early.

I thought the band was decent enough.

Don't think I'm going to head anywhere at 3 am, but will hit up other things tomorrow. Not sure if there are daytime options, but I read that one can hit Classic around 4:30 pm. I wonder if any of the "spa" places might be open earlier, or a soapy or something.[/QUOTE]Classic is opened at 4:30pm. I have been there around that time. There were about 20 girls there. You might be the only customer there, so all eyes are on you and that could be a bit of pressure. But if you don't care about that, male female ratio will be very favorable.

[QUOTE=Maila;2410597]I visit BATS tonight. What a disappointment.

I figured more FLs would arrive but none did. I went after 11:30 and stuck around till 2 am wondering if I came in far too early.

I thought the band was decent enough.

Don't think I'm going to head anywhere at 3 am, but will hit up other things tomorrow. Not sure if there are daytime options, but I read that one can hit Classic around 4:30 pm. I wonder if any of the "spa" places might be open earlier, or a soapy or something.[/QUOTE]You arrived and left at the perfect times. The problem was the night you chose to go. You are talking about a Monday night. Every free lance place in Jakarta is dead on Monday night. The only one that might possible have something going on Monday night would be CJs at the Hotel Mulia. That's a better night to hit the brothels. Every night of the week other than Sunday and Monday nights will be ok.

If the band was decent enough, I am guessing it was the one night of the week they have an Indonesian band there rather than the one that is there every other night of the week. I know it's either Sunday or Monday night the normal band is off, but I am not sure which. Regardless, the normal band at BATS right now is terrible. BATS is off my list of places to go at the moment simply due to that crap band. The band at CJs is also pretty lame, but it's far better than the one at BATS currently.

4:30 pm at Classic is a good time to go. You can spend the entire day there and get in many shots by going so early.

The spa places open around 11 am depending on which one you choose.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2410294]In case you weren't aware, Jakarta is the fastest sinking city in the world and expected to be underwater by 2050............[/QUOTE]Means that by 2050 Jakarta will be a tourist hub like Venice.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2410651]You arrived and left at the perfect times. The problem was the night you chose to go. You are talking about a Monday night. Every free lance place in Jakarta is dead on Monday night. The only one that might possible have something going on Monday night would be CJs at the Hotel Mulia. That's a better night to hit the brothels. Every night of the week other than Sunday and Monday nights will be ok.

If the band was decent enough, I am guessing it was the one night of the week they have an Indonesian band there rather than the one that is there every other night of the week. I know it's either Sunday or Monday night the normal band is off, but I am not sure which. Regardless, the normal band at BATS right now is terrible. BATS is off my list of places to go at the moment simply due to that crap band. The band at CJs is also pretty lame, but it's far better than the one at BATS currently.

4:30 pm at Classic is a good time to go. You can spend the entire day there and get in many shots by going so early.

The spa places open around 11 am depending on which one you choose.[/QUOTE]I guess since I'm staying at the hotel, I can always pop in downstairs and see what's going on. I'm guessing I was just fine with the band you dislike, but hopefully I'll see the better one one of these nights. I'm happy to go have a drink downstairs at night.

[QUOTE=Jicks;2405896]I had a 2 day trip, Train tracks were the highlight.
Visited train tracks around 11 in the morning, had threesome with 2 beauties, it was a great session. Damage was 500 K. One advantage in train tracks is you are not rushed by mamasan like in Classic. Next day, had foursome for 500 K in the same location. Train tracks are much better than massage places IMHO if you can tolerate those conditions. Visited Classic, Travel and New Sari Ayu in the evenings but all are crapshoots. Classic had a special 250 K, took 2 girls for 500 K for a not so great session. Checked out at Griya Sehat (Ruko Robinson) but skipped it as girl selection is thru pictures and sessions cost 600 K. I had plans to visit other locations like train tracks such as jatinegera, cawang, etc but skipped due to zero Indonesian skills and traffic / time constraints.
Overall Jakarta is underwhelming destination, train tracks saved my trip.[/QUOTE]Hi Jicks / Smoothy,

Mind posting or messaging me the directions to "train Track" . I will be in Jakarta for a week, mostly I hang out at Classic / travel or use social media (good luck with WeChat and Badoo) around Plaza Indonesia area. Intrigued with your adventures in train tracks. Will share my 'findings' here. Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Maila;2410732]I guess since I'm staying at the hotel, I can always pop in downstairs and see what's going on. I'm guessing I was just fine with the band you dislike, but hopefully I'll see the better one one of these nights. I'm happy to go have a drink downstairs at night.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, there are no good bands at BATS currently. Just because that indo band is better than the other one doesn't mean it's a good band.

There's a good band at Bluegrass on Saturday nights and Holy Wings has some good bands.

Hello all,

I hope all of you are safe from the deluge in Jakarta.

Any reviews for Gran Melia (Rasuna Said) hotel spa? Would appreciate any inputs please.

Thanks.

BL.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2411504]Unfortunately, there are no good bands at BATS currently. Just because that indo band is better than the other one doesn't mean it's a good band.

There's a good band at Bluegrass on Saturday nights and Holy Wings has some good bands.[/QUOTE]Or you could try Jaya Pub or Cazbar. But those places are busy only on specific days of the week.

Hi friends.

I have difficulty in accessing ISG forum from yesterday onwards. Tried different internet providers. Only very few are letting me in. Any police raid in ISG forum? LOL.

Regards.

[QUOTE=Thampi62;2412072]Hi friends.

I have difficulty in accessing ISG forum from yesterday onwards. Tried different internet providers. Only very few are letting me in. Any police raid in ISG forum? LOL.

Regards.[/QUOTE]Use the Opera browser with the VPN option set to On. Speeds will be slower, but at least you will have some access to ISG.

[QUOTE=Stykler;2412099]Use the Opera browser with the VPN option set to On. Speeds will be slower, but at least you will have some access to ISG.[/QUOTE]Thanks friend. Will shift to Opera.

Hi friends.

Bitcoin subscription is little bit complicated for me for the renewal of my ISG subscription. Any other payment option which will be easy as credit card.

Regards.

[QUOTE=Thampi62;2412072]Hi friends.

I have difficulty in accessing ISG forum from yesterday onwards. Tried different internet providers. Only very few are letting me in.

Regards.[/QUOTE]ME TOO from the USA. I used a VPN (set to Canada) and it came right up.

As Seatraveller mentioned, setup a VPN.

You would be surprised to find how many Indos have VPNs on their phone and laptops.

I have met many girls who love to look at porn on their phones (sometimes send me vids / link) , they do it through a cheap VPN like Opera.

I would be curious to know the VPN usage in Indo v rest of the world. Outside of China I suggest its very high, due to govt restrictions on porn, cheap data packages and high mobile usage. Oh yeh and a horny population

[QUOTE=Thampi62;2412072]Hi friends.

I have difficulty in accessing ISG forum from yesterday onwards. Tried different internet providers. Only very few are letting me in. Any police raid in ISG forum? LOL.

Regards.[/QUOTE].

Whats your demographic?

And how fussy are you about the live musac?

All of the above +
Camden bar if your under 30, EP of course, all the beer gardens, Paulaner if that's your scene (don't take a girl who can sing, she will be up on the stage in a heartbeat and you will be called out as her 'lucky guy' whilst your slinking in the corner hoping not to be seen.
Don't forget the old hard rock cafe, molly malones, murphys and star deli for expats way down south, pisa cafe has had live bands for almost as long as jaya pub.

NB. Best Radiohead cover band I ever heard was in Camden bar Cikini, whilst I was well above the demographic, was still a great night.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2411975]Or you could try Jaya Pub or Cazbar. But those places are busy only on specific days of the week.[/QUOTE]

Don't know the spa, but have been to the hotel for business meeting. Not much around that area, but like any hotel spa, a HJ is usually on the menu, FS if you get the right girl.

Best bet, grab a taxi and goto some of the places mentioned on this forum.

[QUOTE=BabaLoda;2411589]Hello all,

I hope all of you are safe from the deluge in Jakarta.

Any reviews for Gran Melia (Rasuna Said) hotel spa? Would appreciate any inputs please.

Thanks.

BL.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Smthgrnthg;2411247]Hi Jicks / Smoothy,

Mind posting or messaging me the directions to "train Track" . I will be in Jakarta for a week, mostly I hang out at Classic / travel or use social media (good luck with WeChat and Badoo) around Plaza Indonesia area. Intrigued with your adventures in train tracks. Will share my 'findings' here. Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]For train tracks location, search 'ROYAL CLUB' in google maps, you should get it.

[QUOTE=Stykler;2412099]Use the Opera browser with the VPN option set to On. Speeds will be slower, but at least you will have some access to ISG.[/QUOTE]Thank you very much. Now Opera gives me wonders.

Regards.

Probably the first one this has happened to but I lost my socks inside the room at Starmoon. Pretty funny. Maybe the girl I took has a sock fetish and kept them.

[QUOTE=TripleX;2412621]Probably the first one this has happened to but I lost my socks inside the room at Starmoon. Pretty funny. Maybe the girl I took has a sock fetish and kept them.[/QUOTE]More likely the boys who maintain the rooms used them to clean the toilets.

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2412237]ME TOO from the USA. I used a VPN (set to Canada) and it came right up.[/QUOTE]I don't use a VPN and not had access since last Thursday.

[QUOTE=Thampi62;2412545]Thank you very much. Now Opera gives me wonders.

Regards.[/QUOTE]I find the DotVPN extension works well, also the free version which I use (presumably the paid version is faster).

Hi friends,

How is the situation of bars in Kotah Indah. Any information from Sariayu after the raid. Anybody visited that location recently. Other wise I will upload afield report in two weeks. LOL.

Regards.

[QUOTE=Thampi62;2413348]Hi friends,

How is the situation of bars in Kotah Indah. Any information from Sariayu after the raid. Anybody visited that location recently. Other wise I will upload afield report in two weeks. LOL.

Regards.[/QUOTE]I may go check it out in a few months. There's no need to go there at this time with so many other options.

[QUOTE=Thampi62;2413348]How is the situation of bars in Kotah Indah. Any information from Sariayu after the raid. Anybody visited that location recently. [/QUOTE]If some anonymous person posted not to go would that really stop you? Enjoy your trip. If you worry too much it will ruin the fun.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2413398]If some anonymous person posted not to go would that really stop you? Enjoy your trip. If you worry too much it will ruin the fun.[/QUOTE]Thanks. Really encouraging for a first timer.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2413398]If some anonymous person posted not to go would that really stop you? Enjoy your raid.[/QUOTE]It sounds like you are looking forward to hearing a first hand report of what it's like to be caught in a police raid.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2413518]It sounds like you are looking forward to hearing a first hand report of what it's like to be caught in a police raid.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=BananaBoi;2413398]If some anonymous person posted not to go would that really stop you? Enjoy your trip. If you worry too much it will ruin the fun.[/QUOTE]I agree with smoothy, with the large number (albeit unreported on ISG places) where you can get a FJ similar to kota indah ie 350-500 k, with a little bit of intelligent researching, why would you take the risk (small or large) of being caught up in a raid.

[QUOTE=MutantChicken;2413531]I agree with smoothy, with the large number (albeit unreported on ISG places) where you can get a FJ similar to kota indah ie 350-500 k, with a little bit of intelligent researching, why would you take the risk (small or large) of being caught up in a raid.[/QUOTE]True. But exploring different places is exciting and one can observe different scenarios. But If the risk is high better be careful or avoid.

Regards.

Thampi, you should listen to the others if you are paranoid to go.

Maybe MutantChicken can reveal these other places in Jakarta that are unreported on ISG to go to that are raid safe and comparable to Kota Indah.

[QUOTE=Thampi62;2413698]True. But exploring different places is exciting and one can observe different scenarios. But If the risk is high better be careful or avoid. Regards.[/QUOTE]I have also been hearing from several taxi drivers and locals that it is not good to go to Kota Indah at the moment. Some of them even mentioned this on their own initiative, without me even mentioning Kota Indah in the first place. So it's not just hysteria among the expats on this forum. Personally, I wouldn't go.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2413822]Thampi, you should listen to the others if you are paranoid to go.

Maybe MutantChicken can reveal these other places in Jakarta that are unreported on ISG to go to that are raid safe and comparable to Kota Indah.[/QUOTE]My mind set is to give a helping hand to new bees who are genuine.

[QUOTE=Cucumber;2413911]I have also been hearing from several taxi drivers and locals that it is not good to go to Kota Indah at the moment. Some of them even mentioned this on their own initiative, without me even mentioning Kota Indah in the first place. So it's not just hysteria among the expats on this forum. Personally, I wouldn't go.[/QUOTE]So sad. Feel like all friends are are not in favour of KI. So better keep a distance. Now time to think about a substitute for KI where locals gather. I enjoy watching the way locals dealing things. Then things will be easier to handle.

Regards.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2413822]Thampi, you should listen to the others if you are paranoid to go.

Maybe MutantChicken can reveal these other places in Jakarta that are unreported on ISG to go to that are raid safe and comparable to Kota Indah.[/QUOTE]I have found the current environment not favorable to reveal these places openly or to newbies / tourists. I remember when ISG was used by expats or adventurous member who would explore and go to new places. Now its filled by lurkers who never bother to contribute anything or members who post a FR saying I went to classic / nana / AC paid xyz (often its overpaying) and she was good detailing how much sex they had and how they fell in love. Those reports have zero value to me, and sure someone will say that they saw value in that, so I say the ones who got value should be revealing these hidden / unknown places. I'm of the mind of keeping local places local, expat places expat, if tourists want to experience the local flavour then go out and explore and look for them. Having a horde of tourists coming to local places that they have read about online and then paying whatever they want as its cheaper than elsewhere and as they have no stake they can just leave, bring unwanted attention and price appreciation along with them.

[QUOTE=Thampi62;2414055]Now time to think about a substitute where locals gather.[/QUOTE]99% of the guys in Hotel Classic and Hotel Travel are locals.

Hi,

I'm new in Jakarta.

Going to arrive Jakarta first time March.

Reading the forum page for 50 to 100 page already understand where I should I go.

So I most likely stick 4 place.

Classic, travel, Cjs and Bats.

Sometime some club.

My question is the safety feature.

Need ask the senior here are girl in Jakarta most preferred bareback?

Cause I admit once on top of bed I will forgot condom and until the girl is requested.

If you go to Thailand, Vietnam, Singapore or Malaysia the girl will always request condom.

Not sure about Jakarta.

Does the girl of this 4 place do body check up frequently?

Saw some post that seniors do bareback at classic girl.

It is safe?

Give some advise.

Philippine also much easy to do bareback and I always tell the girl to remind me use condom before the session start.

Hi friends,

A person or a group traveling to a place for adult enjoyment can be considered as a tourists. But If a person travel solo in a particular destination multiple times for personal enjoyment is a genuine monger. They are not up to the level of expats but sooner or later they will understand the scenario. Underestimating true mongers is not a good concept.

Long Live Mongers.

[QUOTE=Kenichii;2414337]Hi,

I'm new in Jakarta. Going to arrive Jakarta first time March. Reading the forum page for 50 to 100 page already understand where I should I go. So I most likely stick 4 place. Classic, travel, Cjs and Bats.
Sometime some club. My question is the safety feature. Need ask the senior here are girl in Jakarta most preferred bareback? Cause I admit once on top of bed I will forgot condom and until the girl is requested. If you go to Thailand, Vietnam, Singapore or Malaysia the girl will always request condom. Not sure about Jakarta. Does the girl of this 4 place do body check up frequently? Saw some post that seniors do bareback at classic girl. It is safe? Give some advise.

Philippine also much easy to do bareback and I always tell the girl to remind me use condom before the session start.[/QUOTE]You have a reasonable plan. I have said this earlier on this forum. If you have just a few days, Classic alone can satisfy your pussy cravings for the entire trip. A full week, 3-4 pops a day with 3-4 different girls, and you would not have gone past even 25% of the available (and doable) stock.

By default, girls in Jakarta will ask for condom. You might occasionally get a girl who does not insist on it, so play by the ear. Girls doing a hygiene check is just BS. The wear and tear these girl go through and the reliability of the medical facilities performing these checks. Together should give you an idea.

Philippines is a different country. Do not expect the same MO in Indonesia.

My experience;.

- non working girls rarely ask for condoms, and they are never packing them (despite bringing a bag over for one night which will include pajamas, hair straightener, 5 types of moisturizer and multiple sets of clothes) they also arent screwing around alot.

- semi working girls / freelancers, like bar girls, often will ask and will usually be packing them, but most won't insist, they might screw a customer once a night.

- fulltime working girls almost always ask for a condom, I never negotiate with these girls because of the higher risk, the pretty one can screw 5 guys a night. Others can advise if this is negotiable?

I believe there is a regular check-up. These places don't want their punters getting sick, news travels pretty fast on the Indo local forums of places.

Your 4 choices there are pretty standard safe choices. Good place for newbies to start. Just be prepared with CJs and BATS, that by the time you buy a few drinks for your self and the ladies (expect they want Long Island Ice Teas!) you'll be close to $300 - that's 10 standard ST sessions in most part of the city.

But if Money is no object, get a booth at CJ's, talk to a girl, invite her friends over and put bottles on the table. Party time.

[QUOTE=Kenichii;2414337]Hi,

I'm new in Jakarta.

Going to arrive Jakarta first time March.

Reading the forum page for 50 to 100 page already understand where I should I go.

So I most likely stick 4 place.

Classic, travel, Cjs and Bats.

Sometime some club.

My question is the safety feature.

Need ask the senior here are girl in Jakarta most preferred bareback?

Cause I admit once on top of bed I will forgot condom and until the girl is requested.

If you go to Thailand, Vietnam, Singapore or Malaysia the girl will always request condom.

Not sure about Jakarta.

Does the girl of this 4 place do body check up frequently?

Saw some post that seniors do bareback at classic girl.

It is safe?

Give some advise.

Philippine also much easy to do bareback and I always tell the girl to remind me use condom before the session start.[/QUOTE]

Won't bore you with a report on the philandering that led to this particular conjugation, just showing off a classy local venue.

Something very special about fornicating on a damp teddy bear sheet set; complete the picture with moldy chipped walls, tinea inducing concrete shower base, noisy emphysema thrusting neighbors, romantic fluro lighting all add to the allure.

Seedy, dirty, local, cheap Jakarta mongering at its best.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: I screw a new one every night and have never once used a condom here during the last 8 years. It's ingrained in the culture just like the Philippines.

[QUOTE=MasBule;2414688]My experience;.

- non working girls rarely ask for condoms, and they are never packing them (despite bringing a bag over for one night which will include pajamas, hair straightener, 5 types of moisturizer and multiple sets of clothes) they also arent screwing around alot.

- semi working girls / freelancers, like bar girls, often will ask and will usually be packing them, but most won't insist, they might screw a customer once a night.

- fulltime working girls almost always ask for a condom, I never negotiate with these girls because of the higher risk, the pretty one can screw 5 guys a night. Others can advise if this is negotiable?

I believe there is a regular check-up. These places don't want their punters getting sick, news travels pretty fast on the Indo local forums of places..[/QUOTE]

Seems to happen when a place gets too much attention and profile. We all know its about the govt making these sacrificial lambs so the religious majority thinks the govt is doing something to protect the moral fibre of the nation. Think Alexis, Milles, Stadium, Kalijodo, all high profile and too be honest wouldn't be tolerated in the west anyway.

I remember a time when in Stadum the waiters sold the drugs, girls would offer to hold your cock whilst you pissed, a girl would be your friend for the cost of a pill and you could party the entire weekend without leaving. Running the gauntlet on the local street beggar kids on exit in daylight was often the biggest challenge.

Seriously, wouldn't happen in the west and its not surprising it closed (although sad as it always had the best DJs in the land).

But as they close, just as many open, I have noticed over the years a decrease of action in North Jakarta, favoring West particularly, but also the East. The number of places outside of Nth Jakarta that offer massage++ in rukos and keep a low profile on the local forums is truly impressive. I understand not everyone can get out to Serpong / Alam Sutera, Bekasi, Kelapa Gading, PIK, Grogol. But this is where the locals that I know are hanging out and paying KotaIndah prices.

[QUOTE=Cucumber;2413911]I have also been hearing from several taxi drivers and locals that it is not good to go to Kota Indah at the moment. Some of them even mentioned this on their own initiative, without me even mentioning Kota Indah in the first place. So it's not just hysteria among the expats on this forum. Personally, I wouldn't go.[/QUOTE]

I agree with Mutant, who agrees with Smoothy.

Just set your google chrome to translate and go here where the local mongering community posts reports.

[URL]https://www.kaskus.co.id/forum/275/nightlife--events[/URL]

87 pages of local intel, although the language translation can be confusing, but you'll work most of it out.

[QUOTE=MutantChicken;2413531]I agree with smoothy, with the large number (albeit unreported on ISG places) where you can get a FJ similar to kota indah ie 350-500 k, with a little bit of intelligent researching, why would you take the risk (small or large) of being caught up in a raid.[/QUOTE]

Wow thanks for the link its like a gold mine there in those pages. Will try the next time around.

OS.

[QUOTE=MasBule;2414716]I agree with Mutant, who agrees with Smoothy.

Just set your google chrome to translate and go here where the local mongering community posts reports.

[URL]https://www.kaskus.co.id/forum/275/nightlife--events[/URL]

87 pages of local intel, although the language translation can be confusing, but you'll work most of it out.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OldSnake;2415288]Wow thanks for the link its like a gold mine there in those pages. Will try the next time around.

OS.[/QUOTE]Kaskus and bintangmawar are the two local sites with all the good info. Now that google translate exists, there's no need to get info anywhere else.

[QUOTE=MasBule;2414716]I agree with Mutant, who agrees with Smoothy.

Just set your google chrome to translate and go here where the local mongering community posts reports.

[URL]https://www.kaskus.co.id/forum/275/nightlife--events[/URL]

87 pages of local intel, although the language translation can be confusing, but you'll work most of it out.[/QUOTE]Initially I thought this is another source one can't glen any info. But after a little bit of effort, I realised it has plenty of info what ISG lacks.

Thank you.

Hi friends,

I saw two theD'HEAVEN SPA, one in Grand Wijaya Center and other in other in Kelapa Gading. Both same management? I am staying in Pasar Baru so one in Kelapa Gading is closer. Which one is worth visiting.

Replay will be highly appreciated.

Regards.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2415419]Kaskus and bintangmawar are the two local sites with all the good info. Now that google translate exists, there's no need to get info anywhere else.[/QUOTE]Bintangmawar has a better forum software. When translating what "temperature" means? It is funny to read few of these.

Hi. I have been to most of the talked about places here on the forum. Kimochi, Malioboro, the'heaven etc etc. Was fishing for a new haunt, stumbled upon alaya at J S luwansa (this is on jalan rasuna said). Went up to the spa, 5th floor. This was during a work day. Two therapists. One with bazooka boobs but clearly 35+ (not my type), the other was cute, around 24-25 maybe. But a total 7 / 10 (have seen cuter girls in Jakarta).

Charges for aroma therapy were around 375 k for the hour, so I selected and I go to the room. Whilst talking to her, I caressed her ass (firm and sexy), no hesitation so I knew I am at the right place. 5 minutes into the massage, she popped up if I want something extra. With a smile I said, yes I want it all. She smiled back and said, extra is for 2 juta. I now laughed, looked at her, planted a nice kiss on her forehead and whispered in her ears (for that I can f*ck a Vietnamese at Malio). I gave her 100 k, just because I was in a good mood. Bid her adieu. Alaya is now forever crossed out in my list.

Peace out.

BL.

Took one for the team, its raining profusely in Jakarta. So I decided not to venture out to the far flung mangga besar or mangga dua areas, or even gajah mada but stick around nearby. Chose mayzo spa, had been reading reviews about it but wanted to see it for myself. Bad idea (2nd miss in this week).

1. you are not allowed to select the girl.

2. you are at mercy of the receptionist (and whoever is available).

3. a girl number 18 (lapan blas) was sent to my room. Her moustache was bigger than mine (no exaggeration).

4. And she wanted 1 juta for a fuck (god, I must really be getting old and ugly).

5. she wanted 400 k to remove her clothes.

6. I wanted to get out of the situation.

So I took a call to just end the session, 15 minutes after it started. And now I am in my office, not working but writing this review.

Big positive: for 250,000 you could get a good shag because HJ is part of their SOP, but you really need to get a beautiful girl, because for everything else there is money required to be given (removing top, removing bottom, kiss, make love, blow job etc).

Anyways, signing out now. Guess I am going through a rough patch. But tough times never last, tough people do.

Ciao.

A big thanks to Sea Traveler, Zippos and other contributors who shared their experience with Badoo App. I got myself a premium account a couple of weeks prior to my visit to Jakarta and get a few matches. Most of girls will propose to switch to Whatsapp. Among those matches, this nice looking c, about Mid-20's and quite up to meet me for a meal. I didn't make clear directly my intention but soon or later she brought up the money matter, asking me if I could buy her a gift, pay for a taxi since she is coming from out of town, etc. For the time she will spend with me. We finally agreed that she will visit me to my hotel for 1,500,000 IDR and that fee will cover the taxi and the gift she can buy later by herself. I was quite astonished by the relative ease of setting up the whole thing. Although we were going for a pay-for-play arrangement we kept the whole thing romantic and exchanged photos and chatted almost daily prior to my arrival. On the day, she showed up on time, in casual but nice clothes. She knows how to arrange her hair and make up to look nice, good and fair skin, quite classy looking. Things went quite straightforward, after some hugs and kisses, we were both naked in the shower. She is more the quiet and shy type, she won't take the lead although she initiated blowing me without me asking it. She was quite skilled to that. She was quite accommodating with regular sex position, although I didn't push the boundaries too far. We had two sessions, hugged and rested in between and I let her go with her money that she will surely spend for shopping. I kept her number and will mostly repeat when I got a chance to be in Jakarta again.

Two photos she shared with me.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2256724]There are 2 D'Heaven locations. The older one in Kelapa Gading and the newer one in Grand Wijaya center (I think it's been open a few years now). However, I heard the kelapa gading location has recently been renovated.[/QUOTE]Thanks Smoothy. So one in the Kelapa is popular.

Recent raid at only one venue, in a multiple bar location recently discussed on this forum, checking peoples ID and age. Seems one cafe, had underage girls.

Article claims the place has existed for 50 yrs, and confirms pricing previously discussed on this forum. Raid seems targeted only at that one place. Good to see IMHO.

[URL]https://megapolitan.kompas.com/read/2020/01/24/08382541/gang-royal-lokalisasi-setengah-abad-yang-jual-anak-di-bawah-umur?page=all[/URL]

Stay safe out there, and keep it legal guys.

Don't do overseas what you wouldn't do at home, rant over.

[QUOTE=Thampi62;2416825]Thanks Smoothy. So one in the Kelapa is popular.[/QUOTE]It used to be. I haven't been in a while. I go to the one in Grand Wijaya.

Had a great night with a tinder girl, very down to earth and the conversation led to local knock-shops of Bongkaran and Karet. Clearly she was about 5 or more years behind the reality, she probably thinks Kalijodo still exists. Hell she knew so much, she probably worked there.

So feeling a little bit curious to see if she was accurate, I decided to check out Karet and Bongkaran at night, well just as the sun went down.

Karet station, on the Ciliwung river side, has no action. Long gone and a pathway joining Karet to Sudirman is under construction, I remember a time in 2012 when if one stayed at a north room in the Shangrila, you could see the steady stream of motorbikes and blue tents serving customers. All completely gone now. Not a park like Kalijodo yet, but just like any other crappy canal pathway.

Bongkaran, I never visited previously, as I understand it, it sat on the train lines on the south east side side of Tanah Abang station. According to the media the lokalisasi was bulldozed and stopped operating in 2017.

Well I found myself walking through a gang on the train line, what is without doubt the most depressive gang I've ever been to, bascially right on the train line south of tanah abang stn. Gang has hundreds of single rooms which back onto the rail line, and community bathrooms and lots of people looking depressed lazing about. There was definately action, I was propositioned a few times, but the crowd and the location, was seriously depressing and a tad scary. Not sure if the propositions were opportunist or a real mongering venue.

There is no doubt as a local you can find some short term romance, but I got to say the vibe was very wrong and its the only lokalisasi in Indonesia I have felt unsafe so far.

My limited bahasa usually gets me by with a smile and a laugh, but not many laughs going on here. Wallet positioned in the front jeans pocket and a smile and I made it out.

Anyway, just a little update FWIW of what I found less than 1 km from Grand Indonesia.

Due too my curiosity of meandering around kamungs, canals, train tracks, I goto some very poor places and never feel threatened. But the spidey sense was well and truly working overtime there.

Boring update I know, just planning to find some more remote places to report back on.

Is Mall Atrium, Jatinegara, and the streets behind Blokm worth a visit these days, anyone care to comment?

Future trips, Priok (open invite with a regular poster. You know who you are) , Muwardi, Jl raya Daan Mogot.

Hahahah, funny.

I can navigate google translate quite successfully, but the 'temperature' thing always comes up and stumps me.

I reckon it translates to hot or cold? As in the experience was hot or cold. But could be wrong, they say it so often, and I love how they score the girls for face, boobs, BJ, FJ etc.

This forum is more about places so people know where to go, those local forums are about specifc girls in specific places and with ratings. Anyway good work buddy.

[QUOTE=CodeName47;2416170]Bintangmawar has a better forum software. When translating what "temperature" means? It is funny to read few of these.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MasBule;2417135]Hahahah, funny.

I can navigate google translate quite successfully, but the 'temperature' thing always comes up and stumps me.

I reckon it translates to hot or cold? As in the experience was hot or cold. But could be wrong, they say it so often, and I love how they score the girls for face, boobs, BJ, FJ etc.

This forum is more about places so people know where to go, those local forums are about specifc girls in specific places and with ratings. Anyway good work buddy.[/QUOTE]Clean your Inbox mate it s full. Can't send you PM.

[QUOTE=MasBule;2417135]This forum is more about places so people know where to go, those local forums are about specifc girls in specific places and with ratings. [/QUOTE]Yes, that forum lists specific girls and rates them. However, it also lists many many many more places than this forum ever does. That's the value of it. I don't really care how these guys specifically rate each girl. We all have different tastes.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2417125]It used to be. I haven't been in a while. I go to the one in Grand Wijaya.[/QUOTE]Thank you Smoothy. I will upload a report of theD'heaven in KG next week after my visit. Its in my bucket list.

Regards.

Went to the'Heaven in South Jakarta. Great visit as always. Hit up My Place on Blok M at 1 AM for "one beer" and had 8, until 5 AM. It was a lot more wild than the last time I was there, and there were some lookers. Would consider a visit in the late night.

Here's a customer service story about Sun City, a visit that went from good, to confusing, to great. Excellent pools. Friendly mama's who can speak good English. I took an Indonesian girl, and was told tip would be 1 M in room. The girl was cute, and the massage was really good. Went it came down to business, she pushed for a HJ / BJ. I was a bit confused. She said it was her first day and that she "has never made love". I didn't even think she was on her period, because I figured she would just say so. She didn't, so all I was left with was confusion, really. The girl asked if I wanted to change, and that it'd be a "second massage fee" of $300 K. Finally, just so the whole thing wouldn't be ruined, I agreed. A girl with an amazing body came in, and honestly, it was probably the hottest girl I've ever nailed. The best tits I've ever seen. Great attitude. She was number 99, "Celine", and you should go support her.

Anyway, I leave, and I brought up to management, the change fee. The mama for Indo girls was nice, and explained she was on her period. I stayed cool as she apologized, but it didn't seem like they were going to take the hit for that. Honestly, I felt wronged. It's not my problem the agreed upon deal didn't happen because the girl didn't tell management she was on red days. Why should I have to pay for that mistake? I explained multiple times it wasn't even about the money, that I didn't want the girl to get in trouble, as she was super nice about it all, but it just wasn't right. "Sorry, mister". . I almost gave up, got my money out at the front desk, and said fuck it one more time to try and explain why this is bullshit. Went and sat down at the front desk, and said "Hey, listen, I really want to give you a good review. I made sure everything was crystal clear because all I wanted was to have fun here. Can you talk to an upper level manager or something and explain this situation, because really, this is a you problem, not a me problem, and if you want be to leave happy, don't do this. ".

They made some calls, and finally agreed to take it off. I know the girl might get into some shit for this, but honestly, if you're at a FJ spa, and on your period, you shouldn't be in the roster for it. Period (ha).

Anyway. All in all, they did the right thing. Management stayed nice about it. Everyone was super cool, and I am going back for a Chinese girl today because they made it right.

Sun City deserves some cred for this. Go see 99. She rules.

Cheonging for a few more days here if any bros want to hang. PM me.

Just when you think that there's nothing further to add.

It was Saturday night and I was on my way home in a taxi, weaving through the streets from Bundaran HI on the way to Jl. Imam Bonjol.

You know the neighborhood: a bunch of richy rich gated mansions, a few embassies, no foot traffic, no cars and nary a motorcycle.

Night filled the wide vessel of the universe.

We're thirty meters before the North Korean embassy by Jl Latuhahary. Out of a random gang appears two busty lasses in satiny microdresses and stiletto heels. Streetwalkers!

They smiled at me as the taxi passed. We wheeled around a curve and there were another two beauties, smiling, shouting and waving wildly for me to stop.

As a mathematical genius, I can add 2+2. We were kinda / sorta close to the railroad tracks and the open air disco populated favored by waria.

I know, I'm sorry. I didn't stop to make sure. But I'll ask the ambassador next time I meet him at Lotte Shopping Avenue.

[QUOTE=OmBule;2419639]Just when you think that there's nothing further to add.

It was Saturday night and I was on my way home in a taxi, weaving through the streets from Bundaran HI on the way to Jl. Imam Bonjol.

You know the neighborhood: a bunch of richy rich gated mansions, a few embassies, no foot traffic, no cars and nary a motorcycle.

Night filled the wide vessel of the universe.

We're thirty meters before the North Korean embassy by Jl Latuhahary. Out of a random gang appears two busty lasses in satiny microdresses and stiletto heels. Streetwalkers!

They smiled at me as the taxi passed. We wheeled around a curve and there were another two beauties, smiling, shouting and waving wildly for me to stop.

As a mathematical genius, I can add 2+2. We were kinda / sorta close to the railroad tracks and the open air disco populated favored by waria.

I know, I'm sorry. I didn't stop to make sure. But I'll ask the ambassador next time I meet him at Lotte Shopping Avenue.[/QUOTE]Isn't that area very close to the infamous taman lawang IE your ladies may be packing something extra.

Hye Fellow Bro in Jakarta.

Me DaengISG, shall have a visit for golf session in Jakarta Royal and Emerelda soon. I shall stay in Bogor yet to choose 4 star hotel. There yet.

I know you all king and master of Jakarta Gem and Gold. (Girl). Looking for easy going girl slim nice looking and to entertain on bed greatly and open minded.

Any recommendation would be appreciated and in return I shall assist you back in KL. Do PM me privately along with her pic, ctc no. Location and damage. Any previous FR most appreciated.

Thanks.

DaengISG.

[QUOTE=TaipeiRoc2011;2416479]A big thanks to Sea Traveler, Zippos and other contributors who shared their experience with Badoo App. I got myself a premium account a couple of weeks prior to my visit to Jakarta and get a few matches. Most of girls will propose to switch to Whatsapp. Among those matches, this nice looking c, about Mid-20's and quite up to meet me for a meal. I didn't make clear directly my intention but soon or later she brought up the money matter, asking me if I could buy her a gift, pay for a taxi since she is coming from out of town, etc. For the time she will spend with me. We finally agreed that she will visit me to my hotel for 1,500,000 IDR and that fee will cover the taxi and the gift she can buy later by herself. I was quite astonished by the relative ease of setting up the whole thing. Although we were going for a pay-for-play arrangement we kept the whole thing romantic and exchanged photos and chatted almost daily prior to my arrival. On the day, she showed up on time, in casual but nice clothes. She knows how to arrange her hair and make up to look nice, good and fair skin, quite classy looking. Things went quite straightforward, after some hugs and kisses, we were both naked in the shower. She is more the quiet and shy type, she won't take the lead although she initiated blowing me without me asking it. She was quite skilled to that. She was quite accommodating with regular sex position, although I didn't push the boundaries too far. We had two sessions, hugged and rested in between and I let her go with her money that she will surely spend for shopping. I kept her number and will mostly repeat when I got a chance to be in Jakarta again.

Two photos she shared with me.[/QUOTE]Wonder if she available and I able to try her end of Feb. With your consent and assistance bro.

Hi friends, I am back today morning after my first 5 days visit to Jakarta. I met with one working lady and one girl who is about to start her job in Jakarta. VIsited all floors in classic, went to the'Heaven in Kelap Gading. Visited Travel, Colosseum club. Went to Bandung for one night. Last two nights stayed in BFashion hotel west Jakarta. As seniors said everything is spread out in Jakarta. Need five or six visits for me to explore places as I won't be able to stay more than 4 days. Missed Blok M,Kotah Indah etcetc. Will again come on March end and the place belongs to my kind of action. Excellent experience except one incident. When I am back from CJ bar with my working girfriend police stopped the car and asked to lower the glass. Said tourist inside. The lady with me told them we are coming after a conference. I showed the passport copy. They let us go. She was dressed in her office dress. I was thinking about giving 100 k to police as we discussed in the forum.

Detailed reports of each days will follows. Now I have to finish the work pooled in 5 days in my office.

Long live mongers.

Regards.

Hi friend,

I am new here. Me and my friend want to try to have fun in Jakarta. Want to meet some local and have sex. Can someone suggest a good place to go. And can share the price of girl for overnight and for short time.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Zackry99;2420300]Hi friend,

I am new here. Me and my friend want to try to have fun in Jakarta. Want to meet some local and have sex. Can someone suggest a good place to go. And can share the price of girl for overnight and for short time.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Zackry, Go back to minimum 100 pages on this forum and do some homework to organize it. Definitely you can make it. No effort no honey. I did my home work for one month and I enjoyed my vacation in Jakarta.

Regards.

Dear all,

Thanks for all tread of discussion.

I'm looking for local phone number or email a girl good for BJ.

There is a lot of reference to nice girl but do you have someone to recommend.

Thanks a millions!

Dear forum,

Great information here, however I'm looking for contact girl in Jakarta.

Do you have good contact to recommend email or phone number per private message?

Looking for girl expert in BJ.

Thanks.

David.

[QUOTE=DavidGar;2421544]Dear forum,

Looking for girl expert in BJ.

Thanks. David.[/QUOTE]Good Luck. I have yet to find a BBBJ EXPERT.

If you find one, let me know.

Traveler.

[QUOTE=DavidGar;2421511]Dear all,

Thanks for all tread of discussion.

I'm looking for local phone number or email a girl good for BJ.

There is a lot of reference to nice girl but do you have someone to recommend.

Thanks a millions![/QUOTE]After one or two posts? Good luck!

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2421725]Good Luck. I have yet to find a BBBJ EXPERT.

If you find one, let me know.

Traveler.[/QUOTE]I thought you had been to Maribaya back in the day. Almost every girl who worked there was an expert at BBBJ.

I am planning for my next trip. I am thinking about March. Should I worry about Coronovirus?

[QUOTE=CodeName47;2421985]I am planning for my next trip. I am thinking about March. Should I worry about Coronovirus?[/QUOTE]I am also thinking of my second trip to Jakarta in March end. I will book my ticket only after things get settled. Hopefuly everything will be solved towards this month end.

Regards.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2421922]I thought you had been to Maribaya back in the day. Almost every girl who worked there was an expert at BBBJ.[/QUOTE]I guess you got me on that one. Ha ha ha.

Actually I consider an expert. One who can make me CUM IN HER MOUTH.

None of the Maribaya girls could do that. Ani came close, but no cigar.

[QUOTE=Thampi62;2421995]I am also thinking of my second trip to Jakarta in March end. I will book my ticket only after things get settled. Hopefuly everything will be solved towards this month end.

Regards.[/QUOTE]By the sounds of it, it is not going to get anything better by end of this month. But I could be wrong. I wish it ends soon.

[QUOTE=CodeName47;2421985]I am planning for my next trip. I am thinking about March. Should I worry about Coronovirus?[/QUOTE]Yes you should worry, ignoring the problem and hoping it will go away is a recipe for disaster. Don't GO.

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2422264]I guess you got me on that one. Ha ha ha.

Actually I consider an expert. One who can make me CUM IN HER MOUTH.

None of the Maribaya girls could do that. Ani came close, but no cigar.[/QUOTE]I find it almost impossible to find a girl who can make me cum in her mouth. However, I recently met a girl at CJs who can do that. Awesome BJ!

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2422449]I find it almost impossible to find a girl who can make me cum in her mouth. However, I recently met a girl at CJs who can do that. Awesome BJ![/QUOTE]I do get more than a fair share of Indo girls making me CIM, but I have yet come across anyone that would willingly swallow, hehehe.

OS loves conversation with the girls who populate the many Jakarta bordello's. Some, love a conversation, others are in autopilot mode while some, but not so many are hostile, sometimes from ignorance, experience, or they are just fearful that big bule thing will split them in half.

What OS is always struck with is the humanity in these girls, how much some of them can actually enjoy sex and their ability to make the best of a bad deal which is a general Indonesian attribute and when treated well, how much GFE is out there.

OS of course, is always happy to oblige the ones who like sex. The others however, can require empathy, patience and generosity and a true punter should always be prepared to write off their investment and walk away if the situation with a lady becomes problematic, leave her with some respect and dignity. Certainly, a product of the so many of these ladies of negotiable affections that OS has had the privelige of knowing, is that over time, one begins to understand the rythym's and touch, that can draw them out. Mostly instinctive but so often surprising, it has provided OS with so much enjoyment.

So the conversation in the room can go anywhere. Sometimes it can begin with the size of OS's big thing of which OS, modestly denies all knowledge. What can then happen is a close examination and puzzlement that even though OS is not of the muslim faith, he is circumcised. This can lead on to stories of clients and the horrors of what can lie beneath the foreskin. OS had previously known the name of this type of horror as cheese, but on a recent visit to favourite bordello had a lovely young lady explain how she pulled back a foreskin on a customer and there were mushrooms growing there in a ring around his cock. Her words. "jamur".

OS didn't take the oppurtunity to introduce the lady to the tales of fairies and pots of gold that can sometimes accompany mushrooms is it would have likely confused her, but in the spirit of generosity accepted the broader translation to include mushrooms, toadstools, fungus, mould and things like that, although OS remains curious to see what a ring of happy red and white mushrooms around the chaps penis might have looked like.

Certainly, our lady was horrified and cancelled the booking, as was OS at the rendition of the tale.

OS resolved then and there to be extra nice to his elderly mother some more for her Presbyterian faith but is uncertain how to raise the subject of his circumcision to say thank you. As an interim though, OS recommends a good wash.

Hope that helps.

OS.

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2422897]
What can then happen is a close examination and puzzlement that even though OS is not of the muslim faith, he is circumcised. This can lead on to stories of clients and the horrors of what can lie beneath the foreskin. OS had previously known the name of this type of horror as cheese, but on a recent visit to favourite bordello had a lovely young lady explain how she pulled back a foreskin on a customer and there were mushrooms growing there in a ring around his cock. Her words. "jamur".[/QUOTE]It should be a given that one should keep the private area groomed, clean and hygienic down there if you are to expect the girls to go down on you and to expect her to take it in the mouth. If you have a "sunat" or circumcision, girls are usually much more willing to do BBBJ on you.

Smoothy and Seatraveler, I'm baffled! Very few girls that make you have a happy ending in their mouth?

In all those years, when I felt like giving CIM, I always have succeeded. Maybe because the magic words I used were "mandi kucing" or "beso negro".

When they are willing to perform that, you can bet that CIM is included. I agree with Ggekko though, that swallowing is rare.

WHERE ARE THE TRIP REPORTS?
Has everyone left Jakarta?

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2423562]WHERE ARE THE TRIP REPORTS?
Has everyone left Jakarta?[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Thampi62;2420257]Hi friends, I am back today morning after my first 5 days visit to Jakarta. I met with one working lady and one girl who is about to start her job in Jakarta. VIsited all floors in classic, went to the'Heaven in Kelap Gading. Visited Travel, Colosseum club. Went to Bandung for one night. Last two nights stayed in BFashion hotel west Jakarta. As seniors said everything is spread out in Jakarta. Need five or six visits for me to explore places as I won't be able to stay more than 4 days. Missed Blok M,Kotah Indah etcetc. Will again come on March end and the place belongs to my kind of action. Excellent experience except one incident. When I am back from CJ bar with my working girfriend police stopped the car and asked to lower the glass. Said tourist inside. The lady with me told them we are coming after a conference. I showed the passport copy. They let us go. She was dressed in her office dress. I was thinking about giving 100 k to police as we discussed in the forum.

Detailed reports of each days will follows. Now I have to finish the work pooled in 5 days in my office.

Long live mongers.

Regards.[/QUOTE]There are no trip reports as after the great informative report by thampi62 who told us not to underestimate him and other tourists mongers what else is there to write about to add to his comprehensive trip report.

MC, please clear some space in your inbox please.

[QUOTE=CodeName47;2421985]I am planning for my next trip. I am thinking about March. Should I worry about Coronovirus?[/QUOTE]How exactly would the mongers on this board know? It's something you will need to decide for yourself.

[QUOTE=CodeName47;2421985]I am planning for my next trip. I am thinking about March. Should I worry about Coronovirus?[/QUOTE]In the event you go, make sure your will allows cremation.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2423671]In the event you go, make sure your will allows cremation.[/QUOTE]Will allows? I am not quite there yet. ;)

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2423653]How exactly would the mongers on this board know? It's something you will need to decide for yourself.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the informative response as usual Engine.

[QUOTE=MutantChicken;2419759]Isn't that area very close to the infamous taman lawang IE your ladies may be packing something extra.[/QUOTE]Haha, I was in Bali and walked down this one street where the Marriott Courtyard is located. A bunch of sexy gals wearing the most incredibly sexy outfits. All looked like hookers of course. I spoke to one and immediately got the heebee jeebees. I mean RED ALERT on the gaydar. Went to the other, and same thing! By the third one, I was looking around for a hidden camera or some indonesian idiot jumping out of the bushes laughing and yelling suprise! Nope. Instead, I found a few gaybars back to back. Ok. Keep walking. Nothing to see here folks. Damn those dudes are put together well. Ha-ha-ha!

[QUOTE=CodeName47;2421985]I am planning for my next trip. I am thinking about March. Should I worry about Coronovirus?[/QUOTE]In defence of Mr Engine Driver, this question strikes me as particularly dumb. When you lead with your chin you can't be offended when somebody jabs it. Please wear a condom when in Indonesia to avoid multiplying.

Should you be concerned about the coronavirus?


In the yes camp you should be concerned about the coronovirus if:

You live in Wuhan, China.

It spreads to Indonesia.

You can get it from your handphone.

You can get it from toilet seats.

It turns out that the coronavirus was introduced by Trump and the CIA and China responds with the Tsingtao virus.


On the other hand you should not be concerned if:

You recently recovered from the coronavirus and are now immune.

You only use squat toilets.

They discover a cure.

You don't care.

Trump releases the antidote.


Hope that helps.

OS.

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2424167]In defence of Mr Engine Driver, this question strikes me as particularly dumb. When you lead with your chin you can't be offended when somebody jabs it. Please wear a condom when in Indonesia to avoid multiplying.

Should you be concerned about the coronavirus?


In the yes camp you should be concerned about the coronovirus if:

You live in Wuhan, China.

It spreads to Indonesia.

You can get it from your handphone.

You can get it from toilet seats.

It turns out that the coronavirus was introduced by Trump and the CIA and China responds with the Tsingtao virus.


On the other hand you should not be concerned if:

You recently recovered from the coronavirus and are now immune.

You only use squat toilets.

They discover a cure.

You don't care.

Trump releases the antidote.


Hope that helps.

OS.[/QUOTE]I was interested in knowing more about how others plan during this period.

There are few reasonable responses other than quoting the obvious.

I am not interested in politics or bareback either. .

[QUOTE=CodeName47;2424334]I was interested in knowing more about how others plan during this period.

There are few reasonable responses other than quoting the obvious.

I am not interested in politics or bareback either. .[/QUOTE]While I think this is likely just a strain of the common flu, and does not seem deadly unless you have a weakened immune system, I would still rather not risking flying to Asia at this stage.

I'm also concerned that Indonesia has zero reported cases. This seems to be a case of the Indonesian government not testing / reporting cases rather than there being no confirmed patients in the entire country. If northern europe has confirmed cases, a place like Bali has 100% been infected already.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;2423671]In the event you go, make sure your will allows cremation.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2424167] Please wear a condom when in Indonesia to avoid multiplying.

OS.[/QUOTE]There are few kinds of trolls in forums in general. But particularly these responses are amazing and entertaining.

Either one should help to answer or if it feels like not making 'Sense' one could ignore and keep moving. There is no reason to respond with gibberish text about politics and rude responses which is not going to assist anyone.

There are plenty of reasons why people seeking others opinions. If one do not want to respond, no one forces to post rude responses.

[QUOTE=Skepti10;2424471]While I think this is likely just a strain of the common flu, and does not seem deadly unless you have a weakened immune system, I would still rather not risking flying to Asia at this stage.

I'm also concerned that Indonesia has zero reported cases. This seems to be a case of the Indonesian government not testing / reporting cases rather than there being no confirmed patients in the entire country. If northern europe has confirmed cases, a place like Bali has 100% been infected already.[/QUOTE]Thank you.

After browsing a lot online, it is going to be joining the queue as the previous flu such as swine.

More I read about the fatalities, mostly elderly persons (50 +) with poor immune are getting affected.

I also heard about '0' cases against Indonesia, which developed countries have little doubts about unreported cases. In either way that was not bothering. Which is exactly why I was asking about the opinions. I also share the same views.

I was worrying about the process I need to go through when returning back to Melbourne. After a lot of reading and discussing with girls I have visited during my past trips, I have decided to postpone the trip to June.

[QUOTE=CodeName47;2424475]Thank you.

After browsing a lot online, it is going to be joining the queue as the previous flu such as swine.

More I read about the fatalities, mostly elderly persons (50 +) with poor immune are getting affected.

I also heard about '0' cases against Indonesia, which developed countries have little doubts about unreported cases. In either way that was not bothering. Which is exactly why I was asking about the opinions. I also share the same views.

I was worrying about the process I need to go through when returning back to Melbourne. After a lot of reading and discussing with girls I have visited during my past trips, I have decided to postpone the trip to June.[/QUOTE]At the end of the day, it really is up to each person's risk tolerance. I really want to head back to Jakarta and spend a week visiting Hotel 1001 every day (those girls are seriously hot), but decided to avoid Asia for now as well.

For me, another concerning point is China's reaction to the virus. 99% they're just worried about the 3% mortality rate affecting the huge population, but there's 1% of my brain that's paranoid and thinks the CCP is actively hiding something.

[QUOTE=Skepti10;2424479]At the end of the day, it really is up to each person's risk tolerance. I really want to head back to Jakarta and spend a week visiting Hotel 1001 every day (those girls are seriously hot), but decided to avoid Asia for now as well.

For me, another concerning point is China's reaction to the virus. 99% they're just worried about the 3% mortality rate affecting the huge population, but there's 1% of my brain that's paranoid and thinks the CCP is actively hiding something.[/QUOTE]Me too. Few contacts are very much interested to meet. One potential contact is moving overseas by may. We both are eager to meet before she leaves.

It is very tempting indeed. That's why I was finding reasons to plan.

But somehow made my mind to postpone the trip.

[QUOTE=CodeName47;2424475]More I read about the fatalities, mostly elderly persons (50 +) [/QUOTE]50 is "elderly"? I like to refer to myself as Brondong Tua, not elderly.

[QUOTE=CodeName47;2424475]I also heard about '0' cases against Indonesia, which developed countries have little doubts about unreported cases. [/QUOTE]Back when the bird flu hit Asia in the mid 2000's, I read some articles stating that Indonesia refused to report anything about that sickness to the world health organization (WHO). Their rationale for not reporting their cases and sharing samples seemingly was that the WHO (mainly the USA) was just scamming poorer countries like Indonesia so that they could provide high priced medications that Indonesians wouldn't be able to afford. I wasn't quite sure of the logic.

[QUOTE=CodeName47;2424475]I also heard about '0' cases against Indonesia, which developed countries have little doubts about unreported cases.[/QUOTE]I'd be very wary about countries like Indonesia reporting any information accurately. Another that jumps out at me would be Cambodia. 1 reported and recovered case out of all the Chinese who likely went to all the casinos in Sihanoukville and to Naga World in PP. Seems a bit suspect.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2424661]I'd be very wary about countries like Indonesia reporting any information accurately. Another that jumps out at me would be Cambodia. 1 reported and recovered case out of all the Chinese who likely went to all the casinos in Sihanoukville and to Naga World in PP. Seems a bit suspect.[/QUOTE]What about Mong La, Burma? That town near the Chinese border is the wild east, a true no man's land with gambling, whoer houses, and just about anything illegal in the animal and drug trade available for a price in CNY currency. It basically has an open land border with China and I have heard of no reported cases from there since the epidemic began. Meanwhile the rest of Burma, lawful Myanmar, is reporting zero cases as well. I have my doubts, ha ha, but I still have plans to fly to Yangon to party with my Burmese FL in May. In fact, I am going to bring her back to BKK with me and show her the sights for a few nights. It should be fun.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2424661]I'd be very wary about countries like Indonesia reporting any information accurately. Another that jumps out at me would be Cambodia. 1 reported and recovered case out of all the Chinese who likely went to all the casinos in Sihanoukville and to Naga World in PP. Seems a bit suspect.[/QUOTE]If ever there was a place for a viral "hot spot" to emerge, wouldn't it be in an airless, enclosed area where many people are congregated and sharing breathing space and fluids? How many infected Chinese in a place like Hotel 1001, Classic, Travel et. Al. Would it take to pollute everybody? Are they aiming the temperature taking gun at the entrances in Indonesia yet?

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2424666]What about Mong La, Burma? [/QUOTE]Is there a way a westerner can go and party there?

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2424666]What about Mong La, Burma? That town near the Chinese border is the wild east, a true no man's land with gambling, whoer houses, and just about anything illegal in the animal and drug trade available for a price in CNY currency. It basically has an open land border with China and I have heard of no reported cases from there since the epidemic began. Meanwhile the rest of Burma, lawful Myanmar, is reporting zero cases as well. I have my doubts, ha ha, but I still have plans to fly to Yangon to party with my Burmese FL in May. In fact, I am going to bring her back to BKK with me and show her the sights for a few nights. It should be fun.[/QUOTE]It's the perfect place for you to catch HIV if you are so inclined.

Most of the cases in the country occur there.

Truckers. *****houses. Etc.

Have fun.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2424666]What about Mong La, Burma? That town near the Chinese border is the wild east, a true no man's land with gambling, whoer houses, and just about anything illegal in the animal and drug trade available for a price in CNY currency. It basically has an open land border with China and I have heard of no reported cases from there since the epidemic began. Meanwhile the rest of Burma, lawful Myanmar, is reporting zero cases as well. I have my doubts, ha ha, but I still have plans to fly to Yangon to party with my Burmese FL in May. In fact, I am going to bring her back to BKK with me and show her the sights for a few nights. It should be fun.[/QUOTE]Every country in SEA other than Singapore has no clue about COVID19 and how it affects their countries. None of them have the means (medical infrastructure, disaster response systems, money, trained manpower) to detect cases and report accurately. None of them have secure borders, especially countries like Vietnam, Myanmar and Laos that share land borders with China as well as Thailand and Malaysia which have completely porous borders. Add to this corrupt immigration officials who will let through absolutely anyone who waves a $100 bill (well, not exactly wave but its more like enclosing it in the passport). Then, we have extremely poor awareness among local populations because they are illiterate, do not have access to right information and their Governments don't tell them anything. And this leads to apathy and ignorance.

The Health Minister in Indonesia has gone on record to say the country does not have any confirmed cases because of our staunch belief in Islam and our prayers. Then he says we do not test everyone who has a cough, we do not have resources. Indonesian social media is rife with fake news being shared.

None of this bodes well. I will not travel to any place in SEA till this thing blows over. Singapore is still the safest place to be in during this time. At least there is complete transparency and these guys know what they are doing. Mongering locally has become a lot cheaper in the past few weeks, but I am still not taking chances.

[QUOTE=KilledSoul;2424784]Is there a way a westerner can go and party there?[/QUOTE]Yes. You can cross the Thai / Burmese border from Mai Sai to Tachelik, Then, from Tachelok you have 2 options. A) You can buy a one day visa and schedule a day trip to Mong La. Or B) You can buy a 14 day visa and stay in Mong La. However the 14 day visa is limited to travel between Tachelik and Mong La. In addition, the Burmese authorities at the border will issue local travel permits only. They keep your passport until you return to Tachelik.

So keep in mind that Mong La is a raw town. I only mentioned it in passing because I know that the vast majority of the visitors that go there to gamble, smuggle, and monger are Chinese Nationals. A majority of the locals are Chinese as well. The local town currency is the Chinese Yuan not Kyat and the border here between Burma and China is as porous as you can get. Yet no reported cases of Bat Virus. So even in the best of times, this is not a trip for the faint of heart. And right now in the present circumstances, you would have to be downright bat crazy to go there. IMHO. 555.

Blanqui, I respect your decision to play it cool for a while, but I, apparently, am not as risk adverse as you. I think I would still fly to BKK, Pat, Jakarta tomorrow and do my thing if tomorrow was the scheduled date on my flight. Fortunately or not, my flight is not scheduled until late April. It is still a go as far as I am concerned, but I watch the new case numbers on a daily basis. If the numbers should really start to take off, I will cancel my trip in a heartbeat and like I said, head to Sao Paulo. But right now, I don't see the point of changing my plans. Except for China and aboard that Cruise ship everything looks pretty benign, at least for the present. I have girls on the ground in BKK and one is visiting Singapore as I write this. They are telling me everything is a little slow, but more or less normal. You are in Singapore. Aren't the people there more or less going about their daily lives?

Wash your hands a lot and try not to touch your face. I hope to see you on the other side of this in the late spring.

NB

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2425188]Yes. You can cross the Thai / Burmese border from Mai Sai to Tachelik, Then, from Tachelok you have 2 options. A) You can buy a one day visa and schedule a day trip to Mong La. Or B) You can buy a 14 day visa and stay in Mong La. However the 14 day visa is limited to travel between Tachelik and Mong La. In addition, the Burmese authorities at the border will issue local travel permits only. They keep your passport until you return to Tachelik.[/QUOTE]Natty, is what you're saying as access information for Mong La up to the minute and firsthand? The situation is changeable. I was in Keng Tung in November (3 months ago) where there was no going onward north, no way-no how. Well, except maybe overland by foot, and keeping off the roads, avoiding the military checkpoints.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2425188]Blanqui, I respect your decision to play it cool for a while, but I, apparently, am not as risk adverse as you. I think I would still fly to BKK, Pat, Jakarta tomorrow and do my thing if tomorrow was the scheduled date on my flight. Fortunately or not, my flight is not scheduled until late April. It is still a go as far as I am concerned, but I watch the new case numbers on a daily basis. If the numbers should really start to take off, I will cancel my trip in a heartbeat and like I said, head to Sao Paulo. But right now, I don't see the point of changing my plans. Except for China and aboard that Cruise ship everything looks pretty benign, at least for the present. I have girls on the ground in BKK and one is visiting Singapore as I write this. They are telling me everything is a little slow, but more or less normal. You are in Singapore. Aren't the people there more or less going about their daily lives?[/QUOTE]I really hope this thing settles down by April. For your sake and mine. 555. Sure, people in SG are trying hard to go about their normal lives the best they can. There is a deep sense of fear and concern writ large on everyone's face barely covered by a thin veneer of grit. Been through this sort of shit before back in 2004. Plenty of precautions. Almost every place will check your temperature and make you sign a declaration about your travel history. The Government has introduced a slew of rules and directives on people with travel history to China, including draconian ones like a Stay At Home order, where you have to rely on someone else to even bring you food and basic necessities. Restaurants, gyms, movie theaters, malls, parks and any other places of public gathering are practically empty. Nearly everyone on the MRT or buses wears a mask. Call it paranoia, but I am happy with paranoia if that keeps me alive. I will take paranoia over dick-swinging like the Cambodian Premiere going out to greet people who disembarked from the cruise ship. Completely irresponsible action. Now one of the American tourists who was aboard that cruise and disembarked at Snooky was tested positive in Malaysia while she was making her way back to the States.

My issue is countries in SEA don't understand how far up shitcreek there are in, and I hope it isn't too late before they realize it.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2425188]Wash your hands a lot and try not to touch your face. I hope to see you on the other side of this in the late spring.[/QUOTE]Amen to that! Stay safe.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;2425233]Natty, is what you're saying as access information for Mong La up to the minute and firsthand? The situation is changeable. I was in Keng Tung in November (3 months ago) where there was no going onward north, no way-no how. Well, except maybe overland by foot, and keeping off the roads, avoiding the military checkpoints.[/QUOTE]Your info is more current than mine. Thanks for the update.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2424666]What about Mong La, Burma? That town near the Chinese border is the wild east, a true no man's land with gambling, whoer houses, [/QUOTE]That's because I had not ever heard of it until I read your post. But yes agree Burma's zero virus count is more than suspect.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2425436]That's because I had not ever heard of it until I read your post. But yes agree Burma's zero virus count is more than suspect.[/QUOTE]Again, I would say that at Chinese Burmese border and bordertowns you need to be worried about the HIV virus, not the coronavirus.

Look into the EXPLOSION of HIV in that very specific area over the last decade.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2425385]I really hope this thing settles down by April. For your sake and mine. 555. Sure, people in SG are trying hard to go about their normal lives the best they can. There is a deep sense of fear and concern writ large on everyone's face barely covered by a thin veneer of grit. Been through this sort of shit before back in 2004. Plenty of precautions. Almost every place will check your temperature and make you sign a declaration about your travel history. The Government has introduced a slew of rules and directives on people with travel history to China, including draconian ones like a Stay At Home order, where you have to rely on someone else to even bring you food and basic necessities. Restaurants, gyms, movie theaters, malls, parks and any other places of public gathering are practically empty. Nearly everyone on the MRT or buses wears a mask. Call it paranoia, but I am happy with paranoia if that keeps me alive. I will take paranoia over dick-swinging like the Cambodian Premiere going out to greet people who disembarked from the cruise ship. Completely irresponsible action. Now one of the American tourists who was aboard that cruise and disembarked at Snooky was tested positive in Malaysia while she was making her way back to the States.

My issue is countries in SEA don't understand how far up shitcreek there are in, and I hope it isn't too late before they realize it.

Amen to that! Stay safe.[/QUOTE]OK. Let me chime in. Working in health care for many years in SE Asia has taught me some things. Asian people are always afraid of dying. This is why they pack the hospitals in Singapore, vietnam, philippines, etc. For minor illness that people in the western world take care of at home. Vomit once or twice. They go to the hospital. Sniffles and sneezes, got to see the doctor. For example, in VN, a physician sees a patient every 4 minutes, in Singapore not much different (maybe every 6 minutes) and they always expect to get a prescription. We would go crazy if a doctor saw us in the western world for 4 minutes. And the doctors know this is not good.

This is one reason why antibiotic resistance is so high. Big misuse of these drugs (and buying them without a prescription in VN). Unfortunately, there is little way to change this culture. I'm not playing down the seriousness of Corona virus, but life has to go on.

I've attached a pic sent to me today by a friend in SG. Taken on the SG MRT. If this woman wears this get up (cloth mask which is totally ineffective) on the MRT, what do you think she makes a guy wear for sex (I'm guessing at least 2 condoms but could be more). Note, a lot of people don't have masks on. I'm bringing some 55 gallon drum clear bags to hand out with me.

I'm off to SG in a week, then to VN. But having lived in the medical world where we practice universal precautions, I will implement these personally, stay out of large crowds, wash hands or use hand santizer and yep, I do have masks to wear although they offer limited protection according to the CDC.

GG.

[QUOTE=GenevaGuy;2425529]I've attached a pic sent to me today by a friend in SG. Taken on the SG MRT. If this woman wears this get up (cloth mask which is totally ineffective) on the MRT, what do you think she makes a guy wear for sex (I'm guessing at least 2 condoms but could be more). Note, a lot of people don't have masks on. I'm bringing some 55 gallon drum clear bags to hand out with me.[/QUOTE]LOL. Probably a fake pic making its circulation around the world on social media.

Being in the health care industry you would also know that there are fewer doctors per capita in the East compared to the West. General awareness is lower. Sanitation and environmental conditions are less favorable.

Little surprise that a doctor sees a patient every 4 minutes.

As for death show me one person who isn't afraid of death.

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2425385]

My issue is countries in SEA don't understand how far up shitcreek there are in, and I hope it isn't too late before they realize it.

Amen to that! Stay safe.[/QUOTE]Exactly my thoughts. Though I don't fear that much on getting infected in the home country. I do fear about getting infected and can't return home on time.

I would like to request the admin to integrate a thanks button.

[QUOTE=MasBule;2417122]Recent raid at only one venue, in a multiple bar location recently discussed on this forum, checking peoples ID and age. Seems one cafe, had underage girls.

Article claims the place has existed for 50 yrs, and confirms pricing previously discussed on this forum. Raid seems targeted only at that one place. Good to see IMHO.

[URL]https://megapolitan.kompas.com/read/2020/01/24/08382541/gang-royal-lokalisasi-setengah-abad-yang-jual-anak-di-bawah-umur?page=all[/URL].[/QUOTE]Masbule's post didn't make much of a splash amid covid news.

Seems train tracks raided. Does that mean closed permanently?

Reading that it is empty.

[QUOTE=GenevaGuy;2425529]For example, in VN, a physician sees a patient every 4 minutes, in Singapore not much different (maybe every 6 minutes) and they always expect to get a prescription. We would go crazy if a doctor saw us in the western world for 4 minutes. And the doctors know this is not good.[/QUOTE]I have had multiple doctors in the USA and I can't recall a doctor in the USA ever spending more than 4 minutes with me. I usually wait about an hour in the waiting room, then the nurse takes my height, weight, temp and blood pressure. She leads me into a room where I wait between 30 minutes to an hour for the doctor. The doctor comes in and he's done in around 4 minutes every single time. Most times I think it's closer to 2 minutes. I am then maybe taken by the nurse for her to get a blood sample, but normally I just go home. So how is VN any different from the USA?

I find the health care at Bumrungrad hospital in Bangkok to be far better than any I have ever had in the USA. I have supposed 'cadillac' insurance in the USA, but I normally prefer seeing the doctors in Bangkok and just paying out of pocket.

Unfortunately, health care in Indonesia is not as good as it is in Thailand.

[QUOTE=KilledSoul;2424784]Is there a way a westerner can go and party there?[/QUOTE]Been there. Really, not that "Wild West / east". The mongering is subpar. Mostly old chubby ladies. There are a few news posts that play up the extremes hoping for more clicks. But honestly don't expect endangered species on sale in markets or signs offer minors or other crazy stuff. Traveling through Wa Army controlled area is a tiny adrenaline surge, so go for the culture but don't go for the women. Far better in JK, BKK, RGN. Etc.

[QUOTE=GenevaGuy;2425529]............I've attached a pic sent to me today by a friend in SG. Taken on the SG MRT. If this woman wears this get up (cloth mask which is totally ineffective) on the MRT, what do you think she makes a guy wear for sex............[/QUOTE]Haha, that pic reminds me of the movie Booty Call.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2v7jlIBL1A[/URL]

Hi anyone,

Got any update on the Immigration restrictions if any due to corona? Coming there on 29th till Mar 6th. Also can Meet up for a Beer in Classic / Travel or other venues.

OS.

[QUOTE=OldSnake;2428181]Hi anyone,

Got any update on the Immigration restrictions if any due to corona? Coming there on 29th till Mar 6th. Also can Meet up for a Beer in Classic / Travel or other venues.

OS.[/QUOTE]Hello OldSnake,

This website from IATA has all updated travel restrictions for every country.

[URL]https://www.iata.org/en/programs/safety/health/diseases/government-measures-related-to-coronavirus/[/URL]

Crazyman.

Just returned from Jakarta, I totally avoided the clubs, thanks to social media I got home (hotel) delivery for all my fun.

The line in the airport immigration has literally no one, never seen it like that before, I still believe there is a lot of media hype surrounding the coronavirus, the hype will be over just like SARS and Mad Cow disease.

That raid mentioned closed a particular venue serving up 15 yr olds with your warm Prost beers.

Alas due to the media attention that raid received amongst the religous majority, a subsequent raid ensued and the entire place has had police tape put across all venue doors and electricity cut off.

It is a somber walk through the once lively location, guided by mobile phone torchlight and accompanied by more rats than humans.

My prediction is that unless the place is demolished aka Kalijodo style, I suspect this old lokalisasi will emerge from the rat shit and loco dust to its former down and dirty glory.

[QUOTE=Lager;2425694]Masbule's post didn't make much of a splash amid covid news.

Seems train tracks raided. Does that mean closed permanently?

Reading that it is empty.[/QUOTE]

Hello folks,

New to Jakarta, I stay near Kuningan area, I would appreciate some one can share some good looking English speaking Indies contact here. And also kindly let me know the Do's and don't's here.

Warm Regards,

CK.

[QUOTE=Jblack;2428571]Just returned from Jakarta, I totally avoided the clubs, thanks to social media I got home (hotel) delivery for all my fun.

The line in the airport immigration has literally no one, never seen it like that before, I still believe there is a lot of media hype surrounding the coronavirus, the hype will be over just like SARS and Mad Cow disease.[/QUOTE]Very sad situation for mongers. Have to wait till things get settled. It is the time for hibernation to mongers. Preserve money and attack after couple of months. * you Corona.

Regards.

[QUOTE=CuriousKing07;2429313]Hello folks,

New to Jakarta, I stay near Kuningan area, I would appreciate some one can share some good looking English speaking Indies contact here. And also kindly let me know the Do's and don't's here.

Warm Regards,

CK.[/QUOTE]Try Social media friend. You can make wonders there.

[QUOTE=Thampi62;2429604]Very sad situation for mongers. Have to wait till things get settled. It is the time for hibernation to mongers. Preserve money and attack after couple of months. * you Corona.

Regards.[/QUOTE]Best​ time ever to travel. Prices down and no Chinese or other Asians about.

Not so much of a report but more of a funny story to tell.

Went to one of the seedy places near the train tracks on Jl R. E. Martadinata (I always mix up the names. Any of the locals can help me with name? Went over the tracks and through the hole in the wall. It was unfortunately raining cats and dogs before, so I had wet shoes after 2 minutes. Anyway. Went to one of the local places, picked a cutie and there we go. All good. The challenge I have in general is that I don't come. And they don't like to be fucked for 1 hour straight (well. I still won't come anyway) for 150.200 k. So what I usually do is that I fuck them for 15 min, say thank you and leave for another girl. So in the end, I will have seen a 3. 5 pussies that night. So that is not a problem. However, eventually, I want to come (and put all my semen over their boobs), so I help myself with hand. Here is the thing: Most girls in their 20's have issues with me masturbating to finish off after it. It is not about time. It is like they hate it to the core. Likely. Seriously hating it. Interestingly, it was not a one-off, but it happened with about 5 girls yet. I never experienced this in Indonesia other than this area. Even more weirdly, when I pick a girl in their late 20's / early 30's, they were perfectly fine with it. Only those in their early 20's had issues.

Ever anyone experienced this? Sorry for not sharing earlier. It is not really a report but more like a weird story. To make it up a bit, adding a pic.

KeenGerle.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2429611]Best​ time ever to travel. Prices down and no Chinese or other Asians about.[/QUOTE]I agree. But by any means the temperature is elevated passing through any destination or near by passenger with raised body temperature we are trapped for couple of weeks. Sorry I will wait for some more weeks. Anyway leisure travelers will delay travel for long time. But genuine mongers will jump in the right time. LOL.

Regards.

[QUOTE=MasBule;2429092]That raid mentioned closed a particular venue serving up 15 yr olds with your warm Prost beers.

Alas due to the media attention that raid received amongst the religous majority, a subsequent raid ensued and the entire place has had police tape put across all venue doors and electricity cut off.

It is a somber walk through the once lively location, guided by mobile phone torchlight and accompanied by more rats than humans.

My prediction is that unless the place is demolished aka Kalijodo style, I suspect this old lokalisasi will emerge from the rat shit and loco dust to its former down and dirty glory.[/QUOTE]While I clearly do not support a shop proving underage (I always make sure that they are not even on the gap, E. G. Just 18, I am obviously sad that there is another seedy place (likely) gone.

As you guys know, I really loved this location (by far, most of the places had adult prostitutes in their 20's, 30's (and above), so it is a shame that it is gone.

Does anyone know if any other of the seedy places are impacted as well, E. G. The one on the traintracks JL are. E. Martadinata (whatever the name was)?

Hello,

It may seem odd that a Indonesian would be the one asking here. But, I do not know much about places in other than the ones I live / have lived in. I prefer touring and mongering in other countries. However, due to the covid-19 scare, I decided to spend my vacation within the country as to avoid trouble.

Jakarta is one of my prospects. Just wondering if there are some bars in where I can have some drink and take a girl with me on my way back to the hotel. Any help would be appreciated.

[QUOTE=JalenJames;2430322]Jakarta is one of my prospects. Just wondering if there are some bars in where I can have some drink and take a girl with me on my way back to the hotel. Any help would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]It would take less than 10 minutes of reading this thread that BATS and CJ's are the 2 main places guys here go to take girls back to their hotel.

[QUOTE=JalenJames;2430322]Hello,

It may seem odd that a Indonesian would be the one asking here. But, I do not know much about places in other than the ones I live / have lived in. I prefer touring and mongering in other countries. However, due to the covid-19 scare, I decided to spend my vacation within the country as to avoid trouble.

Jakarta is one of my prospects. Just wondering if there are some bars in where I can have some drink and take a girl with me on my way back to the hotel. Any help would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]Hi.

Is this question for real?

James, Please read my reports. That will give you enough details on how to get girls in Indonesia. It is simple for us foreigners to glen more info. You should be able to figure it out easily considering you can speak the same language.

Good luck.

[QUOTE=JalenJames;2430322]Hello,

It may seem odd that a Indonesian would be the one asking here. But, I do not know much about places in other than the ones I live / have lived in. I prefer touring and mongering in other countries. However, due to the covid-19 scare, I decided to spend my vacation within the country as to avoid trouble.

Jakarta is one of my prospects. Just wondering if there are some bars in where I can have some drink and take a girl with me on my way back to the hotel. Any help would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]You are in paradise JJ. Open your eyes widely you can see angels flying around. As long as Bahasa in your stock you can create wonders.

[QUOTE=KeenGerle;2429677]Not so much of a report but more of a funny story to tell.

Went to one of the seedy places near the train tracks on Jl R. E. Martadinata (I always mix up the names. Any of the locals can help me with name? Went over the tracks and through the hole in the wall. It was unfortunately raining cats and dogs before, so I had wet shoes after 2 minutes. Anyway. Went to one of the local places, picked a cutie and there we go. All good. The challenge I have in general is that I don't come. And they don't like to be fucked for 1 hour straight (well. I still won't come anyway) for 150.200 k. So what I usually do is that I fuck them for 15 min, say thank you and leave for another girl. So in the end, I will have seen a 3. 5 pussies that night. So that is not a problem. However, eventually, I want to come (and put all my semen over their boobs), so I help myself with hand. Here is the thing: Most girls in their 20's have issues with me masturbating to finish off after it. It is not about time. It is like they hate it to the core. Likely. Seriously hating it. Interestingly, it was not a one-off, but it happened with about 5 girls yet. I never experienced this in Indonesia other than this area. Even more weirdly, when I pick a girl in their late 20's / early 30's, they were perfectly fine with it. Only those in their early 20's had issues.

Ever anyone experienced this? Sorry for not sharing earlier. It is not really a report but more like a weird story. To make it up a bit, adding a pic.

KeenGerle.[/QUOTE]What a champion. You went to PLTU, that is a seedy downmarket Priok lokalisasi. Have they still got the ducks running around inside?

Well done.

[QUOTE=KeenGerle;2429677]Here is the thing: Most girls in their 20's have issues with me masturbating to finish off after it. It is not about time. It is like they hate it to the core. Likely. Seriously hating it. Interestingly, it was not a one-off, but it happened with about 5 girls yet. I never experienced this in Indonesia other than this area. Even more weirdly, when I pick a girl in their late 20's / early 30's, they were perfectly fine with it. Only those in their early 20's had issues.

Ever anyone experienced this? Sorry for not sharing earlier. It is not really a report but more like a weird story. To make it up a bit, adding a pic.

KeenGerle.[/QUOTE]The most logical speculative answer to your Q is that girls at that age are supposed to be at power power of sexuality, attractiveness, tightest pussy, body, etc etc etc.

So if they cannot make a guy cum (and let's face it, for most guys the problem tends to run the other way around, they cum too quickly), then it completely shatters the (sexual) world around them as they understand it.

The structure and their position in it (at the top), the way they understand it.

So makes them defensive and question themselves? I? ME? I cannot make a guy cum? When a sock or a hand or a plastic doll does?? LOLOL.

I'm more interested in your other problem. Your dick stays hard non stop and you retain full sensation without being to cum?? That must be quite the feat.

You should send in your resume to the porn industry. (even with small dick, you can be a stunt cock, they will work the camera angles to get it to the size they want) LOL.

A lot of women (well, at least some?) would like the company of a cock like yours too.

[QUOTE=KeenGerle;2429677]Not so much of a report but more of a funny story to tell.

Went to one of the seedy places near the train tracks on Jl R. E. Martadinata (I always mix up the names. Any of the locals can help me with name? Went over the tracks and through the hole in the wall. It was unfortunately raining cats and dogs before, so I had wet shoes after 2 minutes. Anyway. Went to one of the local places, picked a cutie and there we go. All good. The challenge I have in general is that I don't come.

KeenGerle.[/QUOTE]Did they give bjs? That will help to arouse you and easier to finish.

[QUOTE=CodeName47;2430440]Hi.

Is this question for real?

Good luck.[/QUOTE]I doubt it is. The exact same question has been posted in the Philippine board under another psuedonyn.

When's the last time you saw an Indonesian guy unfamiliar with red light areas or without 1000 local buddies he could ask.

Apologies to the OP if I'm wrong but I doubt I am.

[QUOTE=Catire;2430519]The most logical speculative answer to your Q is that girls at that age are supposed to be at power power of sexuality, attractiveness, tightest pussy, body, etc etc etc.

So if they cannot make a guy cum (and let's face it, for most guys the problem tends to run the other way around, they cum too quickly), then it completely shatters the (sexual) world around them as they understand it.[/QUOTE]Or they could be worried that you went satisfied and will complain to their handlers.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2430634]Or they could be worried that you went satisfied and will complain to their handlers.[/QUOTE]Ouch. This is the dark side, girl unwilling to actually engage in sex work, sexual exploitation / human trafficking lens.

But one cannot dismiss it. It may also be correct. (depending on venue) - which is why I never deal with girls who have "handlers"of any kind.

Hi TR2011,

Thanks for the successful FR.

I am also into friendship, romance before bed activities, great to hear that it is still possible.

If it is not too much trouble, do PM me your contact.

I will return the favor if you come to Europe.

Victor.

[QUOTE=TaipeiRoc2011;2416479]A big thanks to Sea Traveler, Zippos and other contributors who shared their experience with Badoo App. I got myself a premium account a couple of weeks prior to my visit to Jakarta and get a few matches. Most of girls will propose to switch to Whatsapp. Among those matches, this nice looking c, about Mid-20's and quite up to meet me for a meal. I didn't make clear directly my intention but soon or later she brought up the money matter, asking me if I could buy her a gift, pay for a taxi since she is coming from out of town, etc. For the time she will spend with me. We finally agreed that she will visit me to my hotel for 1,500,000 IDR and that fee will cover the taxi and the gift she can buy later by herself. I was quite astonished by the relative ease of setting up the whole thing. Although we were going for a pay-for-play arrangement we kept the whole thing romantic and exchanged photos and chatted almost daily prior to my arrival. On the day, she showed up on time, in casual but nice clothes. She knows how to arrange her hair and make up to look nice, good and fair skin, quite classy looking. Things went quite straightforward, after some hugs and kisses, we were both naked in the shower. She is more the quiet and shy type, she won't take the lead although she initiated blowing me without me asking it. She was quite skilled to that. She was quite accommodating with regular sex position, although I didn't push the boundaries too far. We had two sessions, hugged and rested in between and I let her go with her money that she will surely spend for shopping. I kept her number and will mostly repeat when I got a chance to be in Jakarta again.

Two photos she shared with me.[/QUOTE]

OS had a day to himself as lady OS had gone touring with her club. For those who don't understand the role of clubs in Indonesia, you can make a club from anything. The Honda Monkey club, The Suzuki Swift club, The Ride on Lawnmower club etc etc. The list goes on. Most important thing is it becomes a network by which you engage with others in a very densely populated place. Even OS belongs to a motorcycle club and it's fun.

But OS is drifting, Given that OS had nobody to answer to for two days he obviously deserved a massage and went on down to Blitz Massage which sits in a ruko complex in Kelapa Gading with a number of other massage joints plus travel agents, churches and Indomaret's. It's how you mix your sin and salvation, Blow your load, clean yourself up and straight next door to salvage yourself. One time, OS was even humping away with a young lady while the churchgoers were singing away on the other side of the plaster wall, fortunately the lady was not a screamer.

OS walks in through the creaking door into a dark room and theres a couple of these alley cats that are always a sign of a downmarket massage joint. OS hadn't set out for downmarket but that what was inside. Out comes the ipad with some glazed old boiler as the lady of recommendation for OS's pleasure, OS was having none of that and demanded a lady who had not yet owned a baby. Some swipes and three ladies appear, two of which OS suspected were fatties so he picks the first who at least doesn't have a fat face and the paket which includes a BJ with CIM.

Alley cat number two leads OS up two flights of stairs to a room that smelt of piss where OS relaxes on a mattress on the floor and tries to coax some cold air out of the air conditioner. After a considerable wait, the lady comes in and damn if she isn't a fattie too.

OS showers with his lady, all the while marvelling at the contradiction of physics and gravity that are her breasts. Shortly afterwards, OS is face down on the mattress with his face buried in a pillow of dubious provenance, sweating under the non existent air conditioner and enjoying the smell of piss in the shower while said fattie massages the back half of his body.

After a while she asks OS to turn over and get on all fours while she rims him, and then on to the BJ. OS enjoyed it briefly but then when she wanted 200 K to take off her shorts, he decided that in a city like Jakarta there are ladies far more deserving of his seed than this one and calls time. A quick shower, a quick pee. (What the heck) and back down the stairs where some more shady characters have taken up station on the sofa, smoking away and wishing they had enough to go upstairs.

OS thinks that Blitz massage is probably not for him.

Hope that helps.

[QUOTE=Menteng;2422988]Smoothy and Seatraveler, I'm baffled! Very few girls that make you have a happy ending in their mouth?

In all those years, when I felt like giving CIM, I always have succeeded. Maybe because the magic words I used were "mandi kucing" or "beso negro".

When they are willing to perform that, you can bet that CIM is included. I agree with Ggekko though, that swallowing is rare.[/QUOTE]It is also a matter of acquiring a taste. A number of my Jakarta friends now happily allow me to come in their mouths and have started to like swallowing too. They do go to the bathroom after that to brush their teeth.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2430632]I doubt it is. The exact same question has been posted in the Philippine board under another psuedonyn.

When's the last time you saw an Indonesian guy unfamiliar with red light areas or without 1000 local buddies he could ask.

Apologies to the OP if I'm wrong but I doubt I am.[/QUOTE]I really feel I could learn bahasa faster. The amount of cute girls I am losing because I can't continue the conversation in whatsapp after a drink is pi $$ing me off.

I love the girl's willingness to meet foreigners.

One doesn't need to have very high IQ levels to play in Indonesia (I get better results in tier 2 cities. Malang, Bandung, etc.).

If coronavirus isn't active now, I would be busy in booking flights and hotels.

[QUOTE=CodeName47;2432191]I really feel I could learn bahasa faster. The amount of cute girls I am losing because I can't continue the conversation in whatsapp after a drink is pi $$ing me off.

I love the girl's willingness to meet foreigners.[/QUOTE]Everyone I know learnt from the girls. Grab your favourite and take her somewhere for a week (end) but tell her not to use English for the whole trip. You will be surprised how quickly you will learn. It's an introduced language so very simple to pick up the basics. Certainly enough to grab a taxi, order a meal and have a simple conversation.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2432194]Everyone I know learnt from the girls. Grab your favourite and take her somewhere for a week (end) but tell her not to use English for the whole trip. You will be surprised how quickly you will learn. It's an introduced language so very simple to pick up the basics. Certainly enough to grab a taxi, order a meal and have a simple conversation.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]Great suggestion. Will do.

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2431889]
OS thinks that Blitz massage is probably not for him.
[/QUOTE]Love this, OS! I visit mostly lower end massage places like this all over Jabodetabek. The thrill sometimes lies in the mystery, but I give you significant props for walking away to save your reward for a more worthy recipient. At the sort of prices that are available, it is almost like walking out of a movie that is not what you expected and buying a ticket for another one rather than saying to yourself, "I hated that move, why did I stay?

Blitz is not on my list. But I'll keep reading your reviews to find new exciting places in your part of the city!

Gern.

[QUOTE=CodeName47;2432191]I really feel I could learn bahasa faster. The amount of cute girls I am losing because I can't continue the conversation in whatsapp after a drink is pi $$ing me off.[/QUOTE]I bought Pimsleur's language lessons. Not cheap, but works much better than the "memorize this" approach taken by all the usual websites.

[QUOTE=WombatEd2;2432490]I bought Pimsleur's language lessons. Not cheap, but works much better than the "memorize this" approach taken by all the usual websites.[/QUOTE]I am going to take up this lesson. Thanks for the suggesion.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2432194]Everyone I know learnt from the girls. Grab your favourite and take her somewhere for a week (end) but tell her not to use English for the whole trip. You will be surprised how quickly you will learn. ...........[/QUOTE]Excellent idea, I must give it a try in my international destinations. Cheaper than going to language classes and with a reward not available in these classes.

I have tickets and a hotel reservation for May 12 - 18. I am praying Corona is under control by then. But I have my doubts.

There has been a lack of good trip reports the past few months, so I am wondering, has anyone seen a downward trend in pricing at places like CJ's & BAT'S?

Cheers, Traveler.

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2433657]I have tickets and a hotel reservation for May 12 - 18. I am praying Corona is under control by then. But I have my doubts.

There has been a lack of good trip reports the past few months, so I am wondering, has anyone seen a downward trend in pricing at places like CJ's & BAT'S?

Cheers, Traveler.[/QUOTE]Ramadan falls on May 25 , bit early this year. You would be in mid Ramadan BTW. I heard either in BATS or CJs, they have lights on during the Ramadan. IMHO, tinder and Indonesian cupid could be better sources. I am also looking for a trip early June, a week after Ramadan. Indonesia is suspected by many countries for low number of corona cases they have reported. There was'nt much talk until the Singaporean tourist got infected after Indonesia visit. The numbers have been in low in tropics in Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand, in the 100's while the cases in Europe and states are starting to get over 1000's. My only worry is a late surge in corona cases or cancellation of visa for visitors. Still waiting to book tickets. With the info I read in other forum online recently, prices in CJ's and BATS have been around 1.5 M to 3 M. There have reports of downward prices in Manila though which I consider as alternative.

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2433657]has anyone seen a downward trend in pricing at places like CJ's & BAT'S?[/QUOTE]When it comes to price, it depends on the girl (as always). If you can find a girl who is a non-regular, you have a chance (as always) of getting her price down. I normally don't even talk to the best looking hard core (hard core meaning they are there close to every night) CJs and BATS girls because they are spoiled as hell and will not come down on their price.

Right now, the girls drastically outnumber the guys in those places. It seems the coronavirus has decreased the number of customers, but it hasn't done much to keep the girls away. Although the girls now outnumber the guys by a lot due to far less guys coming out due to this coronavirus, the girls who are hard core CJs and BATS girls are still sticking to their absurd price. I have found that the better looking girls will still go home alone with zero money rather than take less than 2 million. Of course, this is a small sample of girls because I have only tried talking two of them down in price and both wanted 2 and a half million at first then came down to 2 million, but no less than 2 million. I will not pay that much, so they went home alone. I then had to call a regular and have her meet me at my place for one million. Before calling that girl, I did offer them 1 and a half million in the bar and they refused. It seems to me stupid business sense to refuse 1 and a half million for short time and go home alone with zero. But "face" is all important for these girls. God forbid they take less than what other girls might possibly be getting. For them to refuse that tells me how little the other guys visiting that place care about money. If we all stuck together and refused to pay more than 1 and a half, they would drop their price to that. That is over 100 usd and very fair. Hell, it appears that many guys are still giving these girls 2 and a half or even 3 million rupiah. Insane if you ask me. 3 million is about 215 USD. 2 and a half million is around 180 USD. That's just too damn much for Indonesia. I know some guys say they are not in Jakarta long and they are desperate, so they will pay that price regardless to avoid missing a night of sex. I just can't bring myself to do that. Point of principle. Same point of principle the girls have sticking to their price I guess. I do find it sad that guys are willing to go that high seemingly on a regular basis since these girls are there every night.

So the answer to your question is NO. They are not dropping their price due to coronavirus.

[QUOTE=Nazgylg15;2433661]Ramadan falls on May 25 , bit early this year. You would be in mid Ramadan BTW. IMHO, tinder and Indonesian cupid could be better sources.[/QUOTE]I found out this was mid-Ramadan after I booked the trip, but this was the only time I could go.

As you suggested, I already have 3 times the number of girls I could ever hope to see thru Tinder.

So Ramadan doesn't matter to me and the decreased traffic is actually a blessing.

A few nights at BATS or CJS will be a diversion if needed. Long live the Internet. LOL.

Cheers, Traveler.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2434580]When it comes to price, it depends on the girl (as always).

So the answer to your question is NO. They are not dropping their price due to coronavirus.[/QUOTE]I would like to add. YET.

Thanks for the comprehensive report.

Time will tell, when the rent comes due and they have little to no money things will change. Eventually market forces will come to bear. It will just take longer.

Keeping my fingers crossed.

Like you, I refuse to pay anyone above 1. 5. I don't care who or how beautiful they are.

Last November, I was there for 10 days and even stayed at Mulia for 3 days. I only took I girl from CJ'S. Amy (a non-pro) for 1. 5. She's now working in the Netherlands.

Cheers, Traveler.

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2434641]I would like to add. YET.[/QUOTE]And you are going during Ramadhan. The girls always drop their price during Ramadan. I think that's just because it's a tradition for them to always drop it at Ramadan when there are so few guys there. This coronavirus is to new to them, they haven't come to terms yet that they need to drop their price.

I knew a guy a couple of years ago who said he struggled on Tinder to find girls during Ramadan. But I think that was because he had just been in Jakarta a couple of months earlier for his very first trip and had already matched a lot of the girls so it just seemed it was slow. Last year I had no trouble finding girls on Tinder during Ramadan. But I actually prefer going to BATS because the girls did drop their price at Ramadan.

Although you can get cheaper prices during Ramadan because the girls are desperate, it's still not as fun as going any time when it's not Ramadan.

To Whom It May Concern.

I booked 6 days at Shangri-La in January and "lucked out" at $92 a day plus tax.

My stay is May 12 to 18.

I emailed the hotel today to see if I could get a refund; or at least rebook at a later date due to the Cornavirus. I received confirmation today that they will allow either a refund or rebooking; which is good news and leaves me with options.

Thumbs up,

Traveler.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2434645]I knew a guy a couple of years ago who said he struggled on Tinder to find girls during Ramadan. But I think that was because he had just been in Jakarta a couple of months earlier for his very first trip and had already matched a lot of the girls so it just seemed it was slow. Last year I had no trouble finding girls on Tinder during Ramadan. But I actually prefer going to BATS because the girls did drop their price at Ramadan.[/QUOTE]I am the guy I think Smoothy may be talking about. I was in Ramadan for all of the summer 2018 and have been in Jakarta other times of year. I decided I would not return again for Ramadan. I got laid by a mix of regulars I knew from before and as well as a few new contacts made on Tinder. Unlike Smoothy I prefer meeting regular girls on Tinder over pros at Bats. Though the times I went to Bats, pickings were slimmer even if prices were lower. My Tinder traffic was significantly down (as compared to before and after). I was in Jakarta again a few months later and things picked up significantly.

Past that so many things are closed in the city and the energy level in the city is so much lower, just not as fun a time to be in the city. IMOP so many better times of year to go. Only up side is traffic is much lighter and pollution a bit better.

Add in this year CV isn't going to be near over by Ramadan, I'd strongly advise against going this year.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2434645]

I knew a guy a couple of years ago who said he struggled on Tinder to find girls during Ramadan.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the heads-up. I did, in fact, remind several girls that my visit was during Ramadan and all replied to me, "No problem".

But you reminded me to check with the other top prospects as well.

One things for sure, *planning ahead* has little meaning in Indonesia. Best to have a triple backup.

[QUOTE=WombatEd2;2432490]I bought Pimsleur's language lessons. Not cheap, but works much better than the "memorize this" approach taken by all the usual websites.[/QUOTE]I am using the app Duolingo to learn Indonesian on my phone. It makes learning a language a bit like a game. Quite pedagogical, ok algorithms and lots of repetition. Starts real easy, then gets more difficult, and you can choose your own pace. I find it is quite effective. I mostly do while commuting to work. It's a freemium setup, so you can use it as much as you like entirely for free with a few limitations and then see whether you want to get rid of those limitations later on.

Kucing hitam dan putih! (one of the first phrases I have learned. Not so useful for our sphere of interest, but I'm expecting to get there).

[QUOTE=Cucumber;2435207]

Kucing hitam dan putih! (one of the first phrases I have learned. Not so useful for our sphere of interest, but I'm expecting to get there).[/QUOTE]Actually, you are pretty close to the mark. Rather than asking a girl for a kucing hitam, much better to ask for a mandi kucing. 😁.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Cucumber;2435207]Kucing hitam dan putih![/QUOTE]Wrong kind of pussy for this forum?

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2434795]Thanks for the heads-up. I did, in fact, remind several girls that my visit was during Ramadan and all replied to me, "No problem".

But you reminded me to check with the other top prospects as well.

One things for sure, *planning ahead* has little meaning in Indonesia. Best to have a triple backup.[/QUOTE]Personally, I think you should just cancel the trip and make other plans. Indonesia has banned tourist arrival visas for at least the next month. Who knows if you will even be able to come to Indonesia until this coronavirus panic if over?

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2435344]Personally, I think you should just cancel the trip and make other plans. Indonesia has banned tourist arrival visas for at least the next month. Who knows if you will even be able to come to Indonesia until this coronavirus panic if over?[/QUOTE]AGREED. But Cathay Pacific's travel deadline for a refund or rebooking currently ends on April 30th. I have to wait for them to extend that to May 5th or beyond. Time will tell.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2434645]And you are going during Ramadhan. The girls always drop their price during Ramadan. I think that's just because it's a tradition for them to always drop it at Ramadan when there are so few guys there. This coronavirus is to new to them, they haven't come to terms yet that they need to drop their price.

I knew a guy a couple of years ago who said he struggled on Tinder to find girls during Ramadan. But I think that was because he had just been in Jakarta a couple of months earlier for his very first trip and had already matched a lot of the girls so it just seemed it was slow. Last year I had no trouble finding girls on Tinder during Ramadan. But I actually prefer going to BATS because the girls did drop their price at Ramadan.

Although you can get cheaper prices during Ramadan because the girls are desperate, it's still not as fun as going any time when it's not Ramadan.[/QUOTE]It took a couple of Ramadans for me to realize the landscape during that break before Eid. It's pretty bad. Most small fishbowls are completely closed with a type or handwritten note pinned on the front door of the building advising that they won't reopen until a week or two after Eid. Most discos and karaoke are completely closed for a month. All of the popular places like Travel or Classic close earlier. I was lucky to have scored from "delivery". The young rascally bellboy knew how to gain my favor and in turn earned himself a nice bonus when he delivered a early 20's beauty with a curvy body to my door. Sadly, the price was heavier than usual at 700 k for two hours. After I tipped the masseuse and my new found friend, I think I was 1. 3 M out. No matter, I had a great evening and kept her WA contact info. This was a year ago, so it's rather pointless to share it out now.

Bender.

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2435378]AGREED. But Cathay Pacific's travel deadline for a refund or rebooking currently ends on April 30th. I have to wait for them to extend that to May 5th or beyond. Time will tell.

Thanks![/QUOTE]The rebooking date has been extend to May 31 so now I can rebook the flight for free.

Cheers, Traveler.

I was out of town for much of last week and have been working remotely all this week so I am completely out of touch.

So what's it like out there? Has everything shut down or is it business as usual? Have the bars and clubs closed or are they still operating? Are freelancers still willing to make house calls or has the fear of the dreaded lurgey kept them at home?

I imagine the girls providing VCS services must be minting it at the moment?

Anyone out and about?

[QUOTE=Hilo77;2435787]I was out of town for much of last week and have been working remotely all this week so I am completely out of touch.

So what's it like out there? Has everything shut down or is it business as usual? Have the bars and clubs closed or are they still operating? Are freelancers still willing to make house calls or has the fear of the dreaded lurgey kept them at home?

I imagine the girls providing VCS services must be minting it at the moment?

Anyone out and about?[/QUOTE]OS favourite lurk gang was alive for sure Sunday night as OS had a rather debauched evening there. Numbers were down but the lads were still out playing. OS figured he would have one last roll in the turd before resuming his life of virtue and responsibility and nothing but a phoneful of picture memories to last him through the winter.
At this time they are still open today as OS confirmed with his friend who is security but you would need to be a serious player to be out there now.

Hope that helps

[QUOTE=Hilo77;2435787]I was out of town for much of last week and have been working remotely all this week so I am completely out of touch.

So what's it like out there? Has everything shut down or is it business as usual? Have the bars and clubs closed or are they still operating? Are freelancers still willing to make house calls or has the fear of the dreaded lurgey kept them at home?

I imagine the girls providing VCS services must be minting it at the moment?

Anyone out and about?[/QUOTE]Deduce from these what you will. A couple of photos of the recent document saying everything will be shut down, and a photo of a brothel girl who had a bad fever three days ago and took one day off work to recover. That girl did contact me two days later wanting me to come to her place of work though. Haha.

My regular from King Cross just called me tonight and said they were closing for two weeks and could I come see her. Except Indonesia is closed to foreigners now with no more VOA and you have to go to the embassy first and prove you are healthy.

She plans on heading back to the kampung.

[QUOTE=Hilo77;2435787]I was out of town for much of last week and have been working remotely all this week so I am completely out of touch.

So what's it like out there? Has everything shut down or is it business as usual? Have the bars and clubs closed or are they still operating? Are freelancers still willing to make house calls or has the fear of the dreaded lurgey kept them at home?

I imagine the girls providing VCS services must be minting it at the moment?

Anyone out and about?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2436126]and a photo of a brothel girl who had a bad fever three days ago and took one day off work to recover. [/QUOTE]She looks cute from what I can see.

That's the reality of the current situation. If the girl is capable of working she will. You're likely to have contracted the virus before you can determine that she is even sick.

It's official. Last night tonight and they are all closed as a minimum until 5 April. Then it will be the fasting month so you can consider the place shut down to the end of May month. So get on out there tonight for those brave enough.

Those pokey little rooms would make great cut price isolation wards. Maybe they can keep the revenue flowing in like that. Get the room boys to wear nurse costumes.

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2436601]It's official. Last night tonight and they are all closed as a minimum until 5 April. Then it will be the fasting month so you can consider the place shut down to the end of May month. So get on out there tonight for those brave enough.

Those pokey little rooms would make great cut price isolation wards. Maybe they can keep the revenue flowing in like that. Get the room boys to wear nurse costumes.[/QUOTE]You actually may have hit on something there, those huge places like Classic etc could make excellent isolation wards, they have the beds and a gazillion tons of bed linen, presumably laundries too. Kitchens too, up to a point to provide basic food. The Chinese government used vast sports halls but the clubs would be much better. I can't imagine the government ever opting for this though, can you imagine them officially acknowledging that such places even existed and people asking questions about what their purpose was before they were turned into makeshift hospitals? The pictures of the scantily clad females on the walls would need to be painted over too.

Anyhoo, with the plague and Ramadan to follow we have nothing else for it other than three months of enforced virtue it sounds like. It could do wonders for our health and bank balances if we all spend it exercising and refraining from drink and the pleasures of the flesh. Can you imagine what the release will be like when it's all over, the pent-up enthusiasm will make Spring Break in Florida look like Idul Fitri.

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2436601]It's official. Last night tonight and they are all closed as a minimum until 5 April. Then it will be the fasting month so you can consider the place shut down to the end of May month. So get on out there tonight for those brave enough.

Those pokey little rooms would make great cut price isolation wards. Maybe they can keep the revenue flowing in like that. Get the room boys to wear nurse costumes.[/QUOTE]You are definitely an idea man. You should speak to Jokowi about that. Those rooms indeed would be perfect.

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/03/25/world/asia/25reuters-health-coronavirus-indonesia-response.html[/URL]

I was scheduled to visit Jakarta in mid-May. Cathay Pacific has already cancelled portions of my flight.

So now I will adopt a wait and see approach.

What do the members who live in Jakarta think will be the best time to reschedule my visit?

1. Soon after travel restrictions are lifted?

2. Wait a few months later for things to return to normal?

3. Don't ever come back? Hahaha.

Too early and girls may still be at home in the province.

Though I tend to frequent CJ'S and BATS and not the brothels.

Thanks! Traveler.

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2437679]I was scheduled to visit Jakarta in mid-May. Cathay Pacific has already cancelled portions of my flight.

So now I will adopt a wait and see approach.

What do the members who live in Jakarta think will be the best time to reschedule my visit?

1. Soon after travel restrictions are lifted?

2. Wait a few months later for things to return to normal?

3. Don't ever come back? Hahaha.

Too early and girls may still be at home in the province.

Though I tend to frequent CJ'S and BATS and not the brothels.

Thanks! Traveler.[/QUOTE]My advice is to stay away from Jakarta for the moment.

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2437679]I was scheduled to visit Jakarta in mid-May. Cathay Pacific has already cancelled portions of my flight.

So now I will adopt a wait and see approach.

What do the members who live in Jakarta think will be the best time to reschedule my visit?

1. Soon after travel restrictions are lifted?

2. Wait a few months later for things to return to normal?

3. Don't ever come back? Hahaha.

Too early and girls may still be at home in the province.

Though I tend to frequent CJ'S and BATS and not the brothels.

Thanks! Traveler.[/QUOTE]I am planning to go in September. Have already scheduled a young cutie to travel with me around Indonesia.

Waiting for Corona Virus prophylactic medicine to come before I book.

I think you should do the same.

"Waiting for Corona Virus prophylactic medicine to come before I book". What makes you think there will be one? These things usually take years of study and effort, they just don't pop up because you want one. In any case the race is on for a vaccine, not a prophylactic, and that will probably take at least a year. Are you one of these guys who starts eating antibiotics before a trip and continues until they leave "just in case"? I surely hope not.

SE.

[QUOTE=SouthEaster;2438019]"Waiting for Corona Virus prophylactic medicine to come before I book". What makes you think there will be one? These things usually take years of study and effort, they just don't pop up because you want one. In any case the race is on for a vaccine, not a prophylactic, and that will probably take at least a year. Are you one of these guys who starts eating antibiotics before a trip and continues until they leave "just in case"? I surely hope not.

SE.[/QUOTE]Possible that a vaccine will be out before the year end. But usually, corona vaccines are two dose, separated by 30 days. So good luck waiting. If you're young and healthy, well you can't catch the same coronavirus twice. (unless it mutates or you lose your antigens after a few years).

But seriously, don't catch it in Indonesia. 4th place for highest population country in the world. 92nd place for health care country in the world.

If anyone of you guys catch Coronavirus && Dengue Fever at the same time, report in. That's a show I don't want to miss.

[QUOTE=BenderOver;2438124]Possible that a vaccine will be out before the year end. But usually, corona vaccines are two dose, separated by 30 days. So good luck waiting. If you're young and healthy, well you can't catch the same coronavirus twice. (unless it mutates or you lose your antigens after a few years).

But seriously, don't catch it in Indonesia. 4th place for highest population country in the world. 92nd place for health care country in the world.

If anyone of you guys catch Coronavirus && Dengue Fever at the same time, report in. That's a show I don't want to miss.[/QUOTE]Covid 19 is more contagious and more deadly than SARS which broke out in 2004. No vaccine has ever been made for SARS and I am not very hopeful of a vaccine being developed for Covid 19. I am more hopeful for some medication being developed to arrest its development or cure it entirely. If and when that happens maybe we can get back to business. Who knows when?

[QUOTE=Turgid;2438272]Covid 19 is more contagious and more deadly than SARS...[/QUOTE]SARS had an overall mortality 15%.

As I was posting my adventures last November, someone complained that all reviewers ever did was post about the same old stuff, yada yada, so I ceased posting the rest of my trip.

But now there is a deafening silence on the forum, so I thought it a good idea to contribute some of those adventures now.

Saturday NOV 9.

My Saturday dinner date was Clara, a referral from King Crimson. We had a nice dinner in the hotel and then adjourned to the room. She was sweet and the sex was normal but nothing that really rings my bell now 4 months later.

The night before I had been to Basque with JavaGuy, JavaWife and her friend Hani. I decided to try it on my own and see how it goes. The place was packed with beautiful women on Friday night. Arrived around 9:30 and was able to get a seat at the bar. This is not a pickup place, so you have to have "game". I did in my younger years, but now I'm 64. Anyway, I struck out 3 times, so I decided to head out and have better luck with a Tinder prospect.

I set a meeting with Michelle, she was near the top of my Tinder list. She arrived at Shangri-La looking very pretty and full of energy. She was touchy feely in the elevator and I had a great feeling about her.

I usually pick my girls well in advance by those who will agree to video; which Micelle did in the WhatsApp chats. But now in the room she said "NO". It pisses me off when people refuse something they agreed to earlier; so, I cut her loose.

In hindsight, I'm sure she would have been a great sexual toy and I wish I'the kept her. Hindsight is always 20/20.

As luck would have it, Hani messages me and wants to come spend the night again. She was great fun the night before and I slept well with her; which rarely happens. I never do LT. So, she comes over and we have another great night of sucking and fucking together. This time I give her 1. 5.

NEXT UP* Sunday* A Once In a Lifetime Squirter* Gomes.

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2438428]now there is a deafening silence on the forum[/QUOTE]Gee, I wonder why.

Most of us flew out of Indonesia for now.

I do know some guys still in Jakarta, but not many. The action is dismal.

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2438428]As I was posting my adventures last November, someone complained that all reviewers ever did was post about the same old stuff, yada yada, so I ceased posting the rest of my trip............[/QUOTE]That someone was one out of possibly hundreds who read this forum. Never allow silly people to influence your reports. You will notice that they usually have no reports of their own.

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2438428]As I was posting my adventures last November, someone complained that all reviewers ever did was post about the same old stuff, yada yada, so I ceased posting the rest of my trip.
[/QUOTE]Yeah I remember that complaint. That guy is not the only one on the forum. I didn't mention anything before but I appreciate your reports and other reports whether they are from well known establishments or not. I am sure plenty of other people do too. That guy posts too so not mad at him but I don't think he should discourage posting like that. Always like reports that include prices as they can change with time.

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2438428] someone complained that all reviewers ever did was post about the same old stuff.[/QUOTE]If I remember correctly, that was directed towards those posting over and over about the brothels up north like Hotel Classic and KI. It had nothing to do with any of the places / experiences you might have. Your experiences are exactly the type of reports that are interesting.

Experiences with free lancers are always fun to read. Even the stories from CJs and BATS can be interesting even though they are mentioned here a lot. There is no telling what kind of things those girls might do.

I find your stories to be very unique. Keep them coming.

But if there are some out there who find the stories about the brothels interesting, here's a story of my last brothel experience recently:

I went to Hotel Classic. After entering the 2nd floor, I walked around the place taking a look at the girls, then sat down and asked the mamasan to bring some girls over to me. I specified I would like a tall girl, no kids, young, slim but big tits. The mamasan brought some girls over. The first two batches of girls didn't meet my liking, but the third batch had one I found attractive. Was she tall and slim with no kids and big tits? Nope. She was short with normal tits and dark skin. But she was young and did have a nice smile and firm little body. She claimed to be 19 and had only been there two weeks. I chatted with her a bit, then told her I wanted to go to the room. We went to the room, undressed, showered, and had sex. She was OK. Definitely willing to do whatever I wanted. She was OK with or without condom, it didn't seem to matter to her. I tipped her 100 k and went home. I would repeat with her, but I wouldn't make a special trip there just to repeat with her.

I'll do a copy / paste of that story and post it again the next time I go there.

Sunday November 10.

Since this was a 10-day trip from the USA, I did my best to keep my normal sleep schedule from home; which translates to sleep during the day and carouse at night.

I started off early evening with a Tinder date from Sonia. The girls always seem to prefer to meet in the lobby at least at the Shangri-La. Sonia had the sweet girl next door look. She had a day job working quality control at a company in South Jakarta. She had agreed to video and did so without argument (unlike Michelle from Sat). I get a laugh when I watch it, because she looks right in the camcorder and says, "Don't post to YouTube video". Again, it was a nice session and when it was over she was satisfied with the agreed 1. 0 juta. She was a sweet girl and fun so I did see her again on my last night.

I wandered into BATS around 9:30 as the entry is free for guests. While hanging out and surveying the landscape, I made WhatsApp contact with Nanda, a referral from another board member, who it turns out, did not see her personally. She eventually arrived at BATS and her looks were as advertised. Tall, thin and pretty with long black hair. We had a drink and chatted a bit before heading to the room. Once in the room, it was a wham, bam, thank you ma'am. Lasting all of 20 minutes. She was up and dressed in a flash. She had the gall to complain about the 1. 5 juta I handed her wanting 2. 5 juta. I said, "Good riddance", and she was out the door.

I then ventured to CJ'S probably around 1 am. The details are sketchy in my mind, but I eventually selected a date and headed back to Shangri-La. Almost immediately she did something to piss me off and I sent her packing.

By this time, it was pretty late, and my options were somewhat limited. I finally reached Gomes on WhatsApp. I had met Gomes in BATS my very first night and I took her number but was off on other adventures that night. I had also seen her in BATS on Friday night, but was already set to swing with JG & JW.

She came right to my room around 3:30 am. We had a drink and chatted. She saw the video camera and put a towel over it. Eventually we got on the bed naked; then things took a turn. She insisted on watching porn with me on her phone. I mean she loved it. I made some foreplay gestures and she was riveted on the porn which I found interesting and arousing. Clearly, I got the impression she loved sex beyond just the money.

When we finally got down to it, she advised me she was a squirter and my bed would be very wet. I had a couple of squirters over the years, but it was no big deal. One and done and not too much fluid.

She insisted on a condom; put it on and climbed on top. It took maybe all of 2 minutes of her riding me, I could tell she was close to orgasm. When she lifted up and "splooosh". It hit my face; went in my mouth and all over my stomach. OMG, like nothing I had ever experienced before. The bed WAS wet. If that was the end, that would have been an experience all by itself.

But, she took a very brief break and was riding me again. This time, maybe a minute and "splooooosh". As big a blast as the first. It was like washing hair; Soap, Rinse, Repeat. She never took long to recharge and go again. In all, she squirted 6 times in probably 20 minutes. And the bed WAS soaking wet. I had to put down double towels to sleep that night.

Up to that point, it was a typical night, but Gomes gave me the ride of a lifetime. I'll probably never experience anything like that ever again unless I see her on my return later this year.

UP NEXT * Monday * JULIANNA * ANIMALISTIC SEX.

Cheers, Traveler.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2438700]I went to Hotel Classic. After entering the 2nd floor, I walked around the place taking a look at the girls, then sat down and asked the mamasan to bring some girls over to me. I specified I would like a tall girl, no kids, young, slim but big tits. The mamasan brought some girls over. The first two batches of girls didn't meet my liking, but the third batch had one I found attractive. Was she tall and slim with no kids and big tits? Nope. She was short with normal tits and dark skin. But she was young and did have a nice smile and firm little body. She claimed to be 19 and had only been there two weeks. I chatted with her a bit, then told her I wanted to go to the room. We went to the room, undressed, showered, and had sex. She was OK. Definitely willing to do whatever I wanted. She was OK with or without condom, it didn't seem to matter to her. I tipped her 100 k and went home. I would repeat with her, but I wouldn't make a special trip there just to repeat with her.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your review.

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DAZED AND CONFUSED.

During my pre-trip planning, I met Julianna on Tinder. She had beautiful copper color skin and pretty face, a sweet smile and a tall lithe body. I was instantly attracted to her look. We had a couple weeks of good chats, emails and messages. Smitten, I had planned to have her as my dinner date the 1st full day in Jakarta. Then out-of-the-blue she tells me to forget about her and stops communicating. I was dazed and confused by the quick change of events.

So, I got over her, with so many fish in the sea, she fell completely off my radar.

Then, about a week before my arrival, I start getting messages from her again. This time I was more cautious, and we left getting together, up-in-the-air until I arrived.

She works in Jakarta as a maid for a wealthy politician and goes home to Bogor on the weekend to be with her family and 7-year-old daughter. Once in Jakarta, I set the plan to meet on Monday night at Shangri-La. I offered dinner, but she refused and would only come to my room after meeting in the lobby. I thought it was strange for her to turn down a free meal, but she claimed she was shy (or more likely, embarrassed to be seen with a 60+ foreigner).

She arrived right on time punctuality in Indonesia is a rare thing. We went to my room and relaxed. I had a rum and coke, but she had warned me in advance not to serve her alcohol, so I served her a coke only.

Up to this point, I wasn't even sure if sex was on the menu. In the early messages, she did say she had sex once with a foreigner and with her boyfriend, but generally came off a bit prudish. I always have a nice collection of American TV and movies on an SD card, so we laid out on the bed watching TV.

About 30 minutes into the movie, Julianna casually asks if I want a massage. I'm up for that, so I say "Sure".

To see where this might lead, I strip down to my shorts and stretch out on the bed. She gets down to her bra and panties; starts the massage, and now I'm interested. I don't really care for massages, but it was nice. It was a long massage and eventually she tells me to flip over.

I flipped over and WHAM. She unexpectedly attacked me. I mean she took over in full-on horny mode. Kissing, nibbling biting, sucking. It was the most animalistic sex I ever remember having. It stopped just short of being painful and too much. I loved it. It was a whirlwind affair. So I can't remember specifics except the ending.

This was my 7th day of fucking, so the well was pretty dry. But this girl had me so fucking horny I had to cum. So, I reached down to help myself. When I was about to come, she pushed my hand away and gobbled it up like she hadn't eaten in a week. My fucking God. I was spent.

Squirting Gomes on Sunday night, and now this animal sex on Monday night. Back to back unbelievable experiences at least for me. Viva la sex in Jakarta.

Gave her 1 juta as she left herself out and I drifted off to sleep. Let's face it, this is a holiday! And it's a rare night where I only have 1 girlfriend in bed.

NEXT * Tuesday * AMY from CJ'S.

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2439001]DAZED AND CONFUSED.

.................... Then out-of-the-blue she tells me to forget about her and stops communicating. ...............[/QUOTE]At this point in time I would still have been hopeful. I would have given up if she just stopped communication without saying anything.

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2439001]DAZED AND CONFUSED.

I met Julianna on Tinder.

She works in Jakarta as a maid for a wealthy politician and goes home to Bogor on the weekend to be with her family and 7-year-old daughter.[/QUOTE]Do you think it right to. Post face photos of regular girls on here?

I spent most of last year on Bali and had many regular come over for sex without payment.

Muslim girls would be horrified if gossip got around about them having sex so they look to foreigners to assist as some I met hadn't had sex for a long time. They didn't want to be seen in public with a bule.

I have photos and vids but would never dream of sharing regular girls photos on the internet.

First, this website is blocked in Indonesia, so regular Indonesians like friends and family will never see it anyway.
If they're on this site, they aren't regular Indonesians.

I don't think face pics are a big deal if the girl is clothed.

To each his own.

[QUOTE=Jingo10;2439144]Do you think it right to. Post face photos of regular girls on here?

I spent most of last year on Bali and had many regular come over for sex without payment.

Muslim girls would be horrified if gossip got around about them having sex so they look to foreigners to assist as some I met hadn't had sex for a long time. They didn't want to be seen in public with a bule.

I have photos and vids but would never dream of sharing regular girls photos on the internet.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2439146]First, this website is blocked in Indonesia, so regular Indonesians will never see it anyway.

I don't think face pics are a big deal if the girl is clothed.

To each his own.[/QUOTE]It is not blocked indo, I used it regularly while I was there. Try using. NL instead of. Com.

I admit some WiFi had it blocked but it wasn't difficult to get on.

Upto to you, but posting a face pic with a story is worse than nude photos with a blurred face and yes each to his own.

[QUOTE=Jingo10;2439144]I spent most of last year on Bali and had many regular come over for sex without payment.

I have photos and vids[/QUOTE]Cool. Looking forward to seeing the pics.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2438463]Gee, I wonder why.

Most of us flew out of Indonesia for now.

I do know some guys still in Jakarta, but not many. The action is dismal.[/QUOTE]You got out? I thought you'd be one of the guys who would be here until the zombie apocalypse. I seem to recall somewhere you remarking you stayed here in '98.

So where did you go? There can't be anymore action where you are compared with here (and there is still plenty of action available here, just not outdoors).

When looking to the ads of WG's on Twitter I see a lot of abbreviations I am not aware of.

Can someone help me with the abbreviations COD, VCS, HARI, BO?

#BispakJakarta.

Tuesday November 12.

My trip was nearing its close. My notes are very sketchy as I guess I was wearing down. I moved from Shangri-La to Hotel Mulia for my last 3 days though I hardly took advantage of CJ'S.

Tuesday night I decided to go take a look at Malio / Malioboro as I had never been there. I arrived around 8 PM. No matter how may reviews I read here on the forum this place is just plain old confusing. I went in the front door but was directed to walk in the alley on the left side of the building for the entrance. As soon as I hit the bar and came to a stop, I was swarmed by about 5 or 6 girls. Thanks to this forum I knew to expect this, otherwise I might have been overwhelmed. Once I wouldn't buy drinks, the girls left me alone. I wondered up to the 2nd floor for a few minutes.

I decided to seek out Malioboro. You have to go up the elevator to the 4th floor. Walk the hallway to the front then go down the staircase 1 floor. IT'S CONFUSING for 1st timers. Just ask for help.

I stopped in M bar for a drink. It was pretty relaxed, and the band was ok. I then ventured into the bar area across the hall. There was an empty table 2nd row back from the dance stage. I grabbed a seat and got a beer. I was quickly accosted by Amel. Cute and the skinniest girl I had seen. I was only interested in looking, but again I was accosted by girls wanting drinks. If you hold your own, for a while, they will let you alone. I probably spent about 45 minutes sitting and watching. There was a table of Uzbeks nearby, but the only one that attracted me was dressed in street clothes. I was seriously thinking about taking Amel to a room, but she had disappeared, and I couldn't find her. I eventually headed out and paid my tab.

Out front in the alley was the attractive Uzbek I had seen earlier. I walked over and said Hi. She explained she was off tonight, so I let it go at that.

Back from Malio, I hung out at CJ'S and eventually met Amy. It was a nice change of pace. Judging by her looks, she must be mixed Asian and maybe European. Definitely not a Pro, more of the girl next door type. We sat at the bar and had a drink and eventually adjourned to my room. Sex was nice, like making love to an old girlfriend. A nice change of pace from the past 2 nights of crazy stuff with Gomes and Julianna. I tried to strike up the idea of further meetings with Amy in the event of a return to Jakarta, but she was leaving to be a nanny in the Netherlands. Cest la Vie.

Wednesday NIGHT THE 13TH.

When I saw my travel buddy, Jeff, on Wednesday afternoon, I told him about Malio and that we HAVE to go there on our last night just to see it. When Jeff travels abroad, it's usually to "wife-up" with one or two girls. He doesn't do the bar or brothel scene. I thought he would enjoy it.

I had had so much fun with Julianna on Monday, that I invited her back on Wed. This time I made the mistake of letting her have a rum and coke. It wasn't long before I understood why she told me on Monday not to let her drink. I never saw anyone get drunk so easily on so little alcohol. The end result was no sex and a drunk companion. She put on a beauty face mask (see pic) and we watched a movie.

Oh well, I needed a break from fucking anyway.

Thursday THE 14TH LAST NIGHT.

I grabbed Jeff and we headed to Malio around 8:30 PM. After his local GF left for home in Bogor.

It was pretty much the same as my first night, except I knew the layout. This time we bought a few drinks for the girls. I saw Amel, and was tempted again, but I had promised Jeff this was just a look-see. We stayed about an hour. I couldn't get a read on Jeff's reaction to all this, but after we left, he thanked me profusely and said that was the best time ever.

He went to his hotel and I went to Mulia and CJ'S. For some reason, I didn't see anything that attracted me, so I messaged Sonia again. I also bandied the option of having Hannah back again, but this time with a friend for a 3 some. But funds (and sex drive) were pretty low, so I opted to have Sonia over one last time for a GFE night.

I was out of Mulia at 5 am on the way to the airport.

I look forward to returning for some fun once the Coronavirus has run its course.

Cheers, Traveler.

[QUOTE=Hilo77;2439392]So where did you go? There can't be anymore action where you are compared with here[/QUOTE]Yes, I was in Jakarta in 1998, but that was after the main riots.

I decided the place to be right now is probably Wuhan, China. They make a mean bat stew here. I never was into DFK or DATY, but I'm kind of into it here while wearing a mask. Oddly kinky.

In reality, I'm not in Jakarta all that often anymore.

[QUOTE=RangeLove;2439406]When looking to the ads of WG's on Twitter I see a lot of abbreviations I am not aware of.

Can someone help me with the abbreviations COD, VCS, HARI, BO?

#BispakJakarta.[/QUOTE]The same question was asked and answered in the Bali section. Hari is day and Bispak is an abbreviation of 'bisa-pakai' or 'can be used' (for your entertainment).

Enjoy. G.

This one is sometime back and still Jakarta Tinder has same trend as below. -.

Connected to this girl on Tinder. She was little aged (35+) but good looking girl and in shape. Before coming down to Jakarta she asked me to get her gift. I brought nice bra from Victoria's secrete. She came to my hotel and then we moved to near by restaurant for dinner. It was Italian joint where we had nice Italian food an wine.

Then we moved to room. Gave her gift which was surprise to her but then I have asked her bra size while I was in transit so she must have known. Asked her if she mind showing me how it look like on her. She wanted to go in bathroom but told her that she can change here as I will not see. She did not hesitate and while removing her bra ask me to look over. She was in new bra soon and slowly we started to have kisses. BBBJ was amazing. The foreplay becoming wild and she was on top of me. She tried to push inside without condom. I resisted that and put the condom on. Sex was wild and rough.

Second time she asked me to get the bag but I had to rush on airport and could not get one so got Swarovski pendent for her. Somehow she did not like it. We went for some movies show. Came back to room and there was another round of good sex.

Liked her energy but then after few meets, she started calling every now and then and started getting involved too much. That was one red flag so decided to drop the connect.

Just some pics from previous trips to Jakarta. Can only wait now for the next opportunity to visit.

[QUOTE=BJtemp;2444296]Just some pics from previous trips to Jakarta. Can only wait now for the next opportunity to visit.[/QUOTE]You guys are killing me with these big boob photos! Seriously keep them coming.

[URL]https://www.cnbcindonesia.com/news/20200423155813-4-154013/pesawat-komersil-dilarang-terbang-di-ri-24-april-1-juni-2020[/URL]

The government has decided to suspend commercial passenger air transportation services. This applies from 24 April 2020 to 1 June 2020.

The Director General of Civil Aviation at the Ministry of Transportation, Novie Riyanto, said that the flight ban is for both domestic (domestic) and international (international) travel.

'For the air transport sector, I first convey the ban on domestic and foreign travel, both scheduled and charter air transportation April 24-June 1 2020,' said Novie, Thursday (4/23/2020).

However, Novie said there would be exceptions for the leadership of state institutions as well as state representatives to international organizations. 'In addition, aviation special organizations for repatriation of Indonesian citizens, foreigners and related to law enforcement and emergency services of flight officers can still be with the permission of the minister.'

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2445734][URL]https://www.cnbcindonesia.com/news/20200423155813-4-154013/pesawat-komersil-dilarang-terbang-di-ri-24-april-1-juni-2020[/URL]

The government has decided to suspend commercial passenger air transportation services. This applies from 24 April 2020 to 1 June 2020.[/QUOTE]Bad bad bad move. A lot of things like medical equipment gets brought in through air transport. By cutting all air links it will become virtually impossible to bring things into the country. Basically I am trading in PPE's at the moment and the main problem is not the equipment but moving it around at the moment. If a country locks all it's air traffic out it becomes nigh impossible.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2438463]Gee, I wonder why.

Most of us flew out of Indonesia for now.

I do know some guys still in Jakarta, but not many. The action is dismal.[/QUOTE]Hey Smoothy, you still out of Indonesia? Are you at least close by or did you repatriate back to wherever Buleland you're from?

I'm curious if all the mongering places in Jakarta are still completely closed. Also, all the providers still need to eat, so how are they earning their keep? You'd figure there's a black market out there for this now, and the prices would be cheap. Any ideas?

[QUOTE=BenderOver;2445889]Hey Smoothy, you still out of Indonesia? Are you at least close by or did you repatriate back to wherever Buleland you're from?

I'm curious if all the mongering places in Jakarta are still completely closed. Also, all the providers still need to eat, so how are they earning their keep? You'd figure there's a black market out there for this now, and the prices would be cheap. Any ideas?[/QUOTE]Are you kidding? The action in Jakarta right now is dismal. Every mongering place is shut down. The "black market" is shitty too. Most girls are scared to go with any guys due to corona, so the market is total crap. Tinder is dead. What is happening is that even the girls I have been with many times in the past are contacting and asking for money but don't want to meet up for sex. They claim they will meet up after corona is over. Given that it's also now Ramadan, it's the worst time in the history of man to be in Indonesia.

I still keep in touch with the guys I know in Jakarta to get the day by day status, but I actually decided to fly to Baroda India to do some work instead now. I figured I wouldn't get laid at all here. Boy, was I wrong. The pussy is much more available and cheap here in Baroda right now.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2445910]

I still keep in touch with the guys I know in Jakarta to get the day by day status,[/QUOTE]What ever happened to JakartaAfterDark? A few guys got a conspiracy laden message a while back then he seemed to fade away.

Did the Illuminati get him? 😁.

G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2446020]What ever happened to JakartaAfterDark? A few guys got a conspiracy laden message a while back then he seemed to fade away.

Did the Illuminati get him? 😁.

G.[/QUOTE]They sure did. That guy was going to some funky places, see some of his work below:

Sure hope he won the war.

I don't have an internet connection in my parents' house by intention. I regularly went to an internet cafe around 350 meters from my parents' house. 200 meters to the main street. The street is a 1 km street from one traffic light to another with 3 you-turns and about 800 meters with a well maintained green grass, plantation and trees. The street is a 3 lanes street with 1 lane for the Busway, a 2 meters street separator with a fence on one side and a well maintained green grass, plantation and trees, another 3 lanes street with 1 lane for the Busway. Another 150 meters following the traffic flow but the internet cafe is in the other side of the street. So every morning I regularly walked to the main street and walked following the traffic flow for 100 meters, crossed the 3 lanes street, walked through a 1. 5 meter wide street pavement for 2 meters the street pavement cut the 2 meters street separator and the fence, and crossed the 3 lanes street. Then I walked against the traffic flow for 50 meters. Another alternative is to use the pedestrian bridge of the busway shelter, Halte Busway SMK 57 6-3. Then walked against the traffic flow for 150 meters.

Yesterday, Tuesday, September 4, 2018, I logged out, paid the bill and headed home around 10:40. I walked following the traffic flow for 50 meters. Before I crossed the street I noticed there were two gardeners on both sides of the 1. 5 meter wide street pavement with a grass cutting machine on each gardener. They were both outside the street pavement but they were both pointed their grass cutting machines to the end of each side of the street pavement. They were cutting the newly planted plantation at the end of each side of the street pavement. I saw there were several other gardeners on far left of the left gardeners. I also noticed they all used brand new expensive uniforms, caps and maskers. I knew they weren't the regular gardeners. I recalled the regular gardeners wore different color uniforms and they were old cheap uniforms.

At that point I regressed a planting information that says those two gardeners are planning to make me paralyze from waist down by cutting both of my Achilles tendons with their grass cutting machines. My adrenaline has been very high in the past few days. I was also on high alert. The reason was because the Death Shove warlock-executioner tried to kill me again last Sunday, September 2, 2018 at 14:30 in a busway shelter, Halte Busway Monas 1-14/2-2. He already tried to kill me on Thursday, February 25,2016 at 15:59 on the side walk across Istana Merdeka. Jl. Medan Merdeka Utara, Jakarta, Indonesia. Yaris the Ruby's dagger warlock-executioner is the Freemasonry Protestant Church warlock-executioner. He is 160 cm in height with a chubby build and a very scary face. Si Gembel the Death Shove warlock-executioner is the Freemasonry HKBP Huria Kristen Batak Protestan warlock-executioner. He is 160 cm in height with a very slim build and a very scary and hypnotic face, eyes and musang-style mustache. The reason Yaris is not as scary as si Gembel is because Yaris trapped the souls of the evil people he killed in his demon-killer dagger and si Gembel trapped the souls of the evil people he killed in his own body because he killed his marks with bared hands. I regressed a planting information that says the bone of a dead Death Shove warlock-executioner is the worst poison for a man soul. Back to sidewalk where I stood up and watched the two gardeners in their dancing formation. I decided not to cross the 3 lanes street and walk through the Gardeners' Gate. I decided not to dance with those gardeners. So I walked following the traffic flow for another 100 meters and used the pedestrian bridge of the busway shelter, Halte Busway SMK 57 6-3. Then I walked another 200 meters to the House of God.

I will write a full report on this and find out what is dancing with the gardeners is all about but it is going to take some time.

Best regards,

JAD.

P.S. I have an emergency situation. I always heard sounds of a heavy movement, sawing or filling activities, sweeping activities behind the ceiling of my room. Warso who had been working in my parents' house as our gardener / maid / cook for 32 years had convinced me that they were activities of a cat or a musang. I have been waking up with fever for an hour since Monday. Last night I woke up at 02:00 where I experienced a soul take over. I regained control after I ran to my parents room while praying surah Al-Fatihah. I noticed there was a heavy activity of sawing or filling activities and sweeping activities behind the ceiling of my room and from time to time I saw flash lights between the corner ceiling and the corner wall of my room. At that point I realized a cat or a musang doesn't know how to use a flash light. Then I rushed to Warso's room and I found out his room was locked. I regressed a planting information that says he is sawing or filling a bone of a dead Death Shove warlock-executioner and sweeping the dust of the bone of a dead Death Shove warlock-executioner to the corner ceiling and the corner wall of my room where there is a hole so he can shower me with the dust of the bone of a dead Death Shove warlock-executioner with the help of an electric fan in my room the air conditioner is not working. The dust of the bone of a dead Death Shove warlock-executioner is very evil. Warso is supposed to be an Indonesian Muslim of Javanese tribe. I really have no idea how he can possess a bone of a dead Death Shove warlock-executioner. I started to realize he has been poisoning me with the dust of the bone of a dead Death Shove warlock-executioner for years. I regressed a planting information that says the evil King Messiah will kill his parents and his siblings. My father screwed up financially and very hard headed. My mother also made big financial problems in the past. Lately, I had to face the fact that my own brother's mind was poisoned by an Indonesian Muslim of Javanese tribe KPH Kanjeng Pangeran Haryo Japto "Yapto" Soelistyo Soerjosoemarno to work against me becoming King Messiah. Last time I was in Singapore I also had to face the fact that my own sister was willing to sacrifice me so she can continue to live out her good life with her own family. I started to realize my whole life is full of conditioning so I will kill my own parents and my own siblings. I found out last night it was Warso who has been working on the poisoning my mind side so I will kill my own parents and my own siblings.

I don't want to be an evil King Messiah. I want to be a good King Messiah. Eric, could you help me on this.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2436126] That girl did contact me two days later wanting me to come to her place of work though. Haha.[/QUOTE]She will be already "Hot" for you! LOL.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2445910] The pussy is much more available and cheap here in Baroda right now.[/QUOTE]Good to hear, brother! Are the ceweks young and cute in that part of India? Hope you're scoring some top shelf cuties!

Too bad the girls are in hiding. The few WhatsApp guys I know who knew how to connect people together didn't have anything to offer me but instead were flat out begging for food money. Damn I felt bad for the people who are suffering from something as base as hunger. This world.

I'm not in the region and it doesn't look like restrictions nor airfare are returning to normal until August if we're lucky to not see any further foreign policy extensions.

Good luck mate. Be safe.

To confirm everything is closed, everything. Bars, restaurants, spas, clubs, the whole shebang. There is zero commercially run activity out there. The high point of your day is going out on your resupply run to the supermarket in the otherwise shuttered mall to pick up some groceries. If you live in an expat zone this will be slightly enlivened by the middle-class mommies who are taking to dressing up a bit and making an effort to look good in their one trip out of the house a week. If you have a mask fetish, and by the end of this we all will, then this will get your juices flowing slightly. If you are in a run-of-the-mill kampung, even this small pleasure will be denied you as the local talent will mostly comprise frumpy ibu2 in their daster and jilbab picking up chicken, veggies and a bottle of sirop for the buka puasa. It also may be my imagination but local people seem to be giving bules a wide berth, it's not just social distancing protocols, I suspect we might be viewed as super-spreaders or something.

Now I mentioned above that the commercially run activity is stone dead but there are plenty of entrepreneurial independent traders out there. Tinder is simply wall-to-wall women asking for money now and if you have a stable of WA contacts you will be finding the same thing. There is serious hurting out there, combined with the approach of Idul Fitri and the almost 90 percent layoffs among shop, office and factory staff you can almost taste the desperate need for cash in the atmosphere. The strange thing is it's not from the regular pros, sure there are still a few of them about (immediately identified in a Tinder chat by the opening questions "where you stay?" "hotel or apartment? But by no means as many as before. No these are the regular girls and single mothers, who need money and aren't terribly sure how to get it, for most it is a simple upfront explanation that they need cash and can you send it to them now please. For others it's a pretty lame attempt at getting into the VCS game, asking for 500 k for "a picture", few of them have a clue how the game operates and frankly must be unaware of all the free to air porn sites on the web and live-stream video sex services, also available gratis.

There are quite a few willing to travel to hook up (what looks like a total lockdown to us does not appear quite so total in the back streets and kos-kosan). I give them all a pass, I really don't need to invite the bugs and microbes of the fetid gangs of East Jakarta into my home. That might seem ludicrous given my previous decade and a half of exposing myself to all sorts of infectious and noxious connections but I don't know, this one feels different. A healthy 19 yo cewek can probably shake off the corona in a week or two, an overweight, probably pre-diabetic, white man in his fifties? The chances shorten a lot for him and have you seen the hospitals here? My years of excess have caught up with me, the preacher was right, your sins will find you out. Long though I have been willing to take the risks associated with playing the game in Jakarta and surrounding cities I am going to sit this one out.

I am actually saving a fortune (just as well given that half my work has dried up), and instead I am taking advantage of all the cheap booze being offloaded by bars and wholesalers on social media and delivered to my door by grumpy little men in green jackets on clapped out motorscooters. Lockdown isn't so bad when you have a decent glass of something and a VPN account and the curtains closed.

Keep safe, stay healthy, see you all on the other side.

[QUOTE=Hilo77;2447417]To confirm everything is closed, everything. Bars, restaurants, spas, clubs, the whole shebang. There is zero commercially run activity out there. The high point of your day is going out on your resupply run to the supermarket in the otherwise shuttered mall to pick up some groceries. If you live in an expat zone this will be slightly enlivened by the middle-class mommies who are taking to dressing up a bit and making an effort to look good in their one trip out of the house a week. If you have a mask fetish, and by the end of this we all will, then this will get your juices flowing slightly. If you are in a run-of-the-mill kampung, even this small pleasure will be denied you as the local talent will mostly comprise frumpy ibu2 in their daster and jilbab picking up chicken, veggies and a bottle of sirop for the buka puasa. It also may be my imagination but local people seem to be giving bules a wide berth, it's not just social distancing protocols, I suspect we might be viewed as super-spreaders or something.

Now I mentioned above that the commercially run activity is stone dead but there are plenty of entrepreneurial independent traders out there. Tinder is simply wall-to-wall women asking for money now and if you have a stable of WA contacts you will be finding the same thing. There is serious hurting out there, combined with the approach of Idul Fitri and the almost 90 percent layoffs among shop, office and factory staff you can almost taste the desperate need for cash in the atmosphere. The strange thing is it's not from the regular pros, sure there are still a few of them about (immediately identified in a Tinder chat by the opening questions "where you stay?" "hotel or apartment? But by no means as many as before. No these are the regular girls and single mothers, who need money and aren't terribly sure how to get it, for most it is a simple upfront explanation that they need cash and can you send it to them now please. For others it's a pretty lame attempt at getting into the VCS game, asking for 500 k for "a picture", few of them have a clue how the game operates and frankly must be unaware of all the free to air porn sites on the web and live-stream video sex services, also available gratis.

There are quite a few willing to travel to hook up (what looks like a total lockdown to us does not appear quite so total in the back streets and kos-kosan). I give them all a pass, I really don't need to invite the bugs and microbes of the fetid gangs of East Jakarta into my home. That might seem ludicrous given my previous decade and a half of exposing myself to all sorts of infectious and noxious connections but I don't know, this one feels different. A healthy 19 yo cewek can probably shake off the corona in a week or two, an overweight, probably pre-diabetic, white man in his fifties? The chances shorten a lot for him and have you seen the hospitals here? My years of excess have caught up with me, the preacher was right, your sins will find you out. Long though I have been willing to take the risks associated with playing the game in Jakarta and surrounding cities I am going to sit this one out.

I am actually saving a fortune (just as well given that half my work has dried up), and instead I am taking advantage of all the cheap booze being offloaded by bars and wholesalers on social media and delivered to my door by grumpy little men in green jackets on clapped out motorscooters. Lockdown isn't so bad when you have a decent glass of something and a VPN account and the curtains closed.

Keep safe, stay healthy, see you all on the other side.[/QUOTE]Salut HL77, always a pleasure to read the world as you see it. I feel for you while my OCD part envies you. Nothing stays the same and this won't too but it's a jungle out there and I would think quite raw. OS skedadlled to his home nation and brought lady OS with him but the anecdotes keep coming through. Like her sisters neighbour spending a day driving around greater Jakarta looking for a hospital to take the covid symptomatic male. No takers and these people could pay the hospital fees. All full so he comes home and sets up his last stand in the upstairs bedroom and spends 10 days going to hell and back. OS would never look at that door the. Same way again.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Hilo77;2447417]
Now I mentioned above that the commercially run activity is stone dead but there are plenty of entrepreneurial independent traders out there. Tinder is simply wall-to-wall women asking for money now and if you have a stable of WA contacts you will be finding the same thing. There is serious hurting out there, combined with the approach of Idul Fitri and the almost 90 percent layoffs among shop, office and factory staff you can almost taste the desperate need for cash in the atmosphere. The strange thing is it's not from the regular pros, sure there are still a few of them about (immediately identified in a Tinder chat by the opening questions "where you stay?" "hotel or apartment? But by no means as many as before. No these are the regular girls and single mothers, who need money and aren't terribly sure how to get it, for most it is a simple upfront explanation that they need cash and can you send it to them now please. For others it's a pretty lame attempt at getting into the VCS game, asking for 500 k for "a picture", few of them have a clue how the game operates and frankly must be unaware of all the free to air porn sites on the web and live-stream video sex services, also available gratis.

There are quite a few willing to travel to hook up (what looks like a total lockdown to us does not appear quite so total in the back streets and kos-kosan). [/QUOTE]Ahh now this is the filth I enjoy reading. It's a shame you're unable to party it out Hilo. Thanks for posting.

This is depressing.

[URL]https://carnegieendowment.org/2020/04/29/coronavirus-blunders-in-indonesia-turn-crisis-into-catastrophe-pub-81684[/URL]

Its a pretty fair assessment of the situation.

Highlight of my week is going too EP for a takeaway curry and a few bintangs whilst waiting for it. Although I have discovered 2 bars open, and a few restaurants where you can sit upstairs or out the back and enjoy your 'take-away' meal there. I guess they are paying someone big dollars to remain open.

The WA contacts are all active asking for a little money, I even have my GoClean lady asking for money transfers against future cleaning services. She is kinda cute and if they bill racks up too high I might just have to sacrifice a clean abode for some action, bonus is she can make the bed afterwards.

On a positive note, the roads are empty and I can hear birds singing occasionally. Pollution was at 7 on Labour day, I have never ever seen it that low in Jakarta.

Police don't seem too be harassing anyone, they have their checkpoints setup, but if you have a mask on then they let you go. They are still on full salaries, so they are pretty content as the city is so empty and easy for them to manage.

I live in an area where I can walk around alot and take advantage of that. On my walk I go past the checkpoint and there hasn't been any problems at all.

It might be my imagination, but I am getting alot more suggestive looks from girls, either at the supermarket, or in the apartment lift. I guess everybody is suffering from a little loving due too the lockdown. Or maybe because of the mask wearing I focus on their eyes more now?

Good point on the home-delivery alcohol scene. Vin+, Ismaya group all are having great discounts, which I guess shows what their true margins are on these products.

Away from the P4 P seen, its just a matter of keeping up with WA and trying to discriminate on which girls are best to take a chance with. I am still active in that sense, just managing the risk as best I can.

Stay safe out there gentlemen.

[QUOTE=Hilo77;2447417]To confirm everything is closed, everything. Bars, restaurants, spas, clubs, the whole shebang. There is zero commercially run activity out there. The high point of your day is going out on your resupply run to the supermarket in the otherwise shuttered mall to pick up some groceries. If you live in an expat zone this will be slightly enlivened by the middle-class mommies who are taking to dressing up a bit and making an effort to look good in their one trip out of the house a week. If you have a mask fetish, and by the end of this we all will, then this will get your juices flowing slightly. If you are in a run-of-the-mill kampung, even this small pleasure will be denied you as the local talent will mostly comprise frumpy ibu2 in their daster and jilbab picking up chicken, veggies and a bottle of sirop for the buka puasa. It also may be my imagination but local people seem to be giving bules a wide berth, it's not just social distancing protocols, I suspect we might be viewed as super-spreaders or something.

Now I mentioned above that the commercially run activity is stone dead but there are plenty of entrepreneurial independent traders out there. Tinder is simply wall-to-wall women asking for money now and if you have a stable of WA contacts you will be finding the same thing. There is serious hurting out there, combined with the approach of Idul Fitri and the almost 90 percent layoffs among shop, office and factory staff you can almost taste the desperate need for cash in the atmosphere. The strange thing is it's not from the regular pros, sure there are still a few of them about (immediately identified in a Tinder chat by the opening questions "where you stay?" "hotel or apartment? But by no means as many as before. No these are the regular girls and single mothers, who need money and aren't terribly sure how to get it, for most it is a simple upfront explanation that they need cash and can you send it to them now please. For others it's a pretty lame attempt at getting into the VCS game, asking for 500 k for "a picture", few of them have a clue how the game operates and frankly must be unaware of all the free to air porn sites on the web and live-stream video sex services, also available gratis.

There are quite a few willing to travel to hook up (what looks like a total lockdown to us does not appear quite so total in the back streets and kos-kosan). I give them all a pass, I really don't need to invite the bugs and microbes of the fetid gangs of East Jakarta into my home. That might seem ludicrous given my previous decade and a half of exposing myself to all sorts of infectious and noxious connections but I don't know, this one feels different. A healthy 19 yo cewek can probably shake off the corona in a week or two, an overweight, probably pre-diabetic, white man in his fifties? The chances shorten a lot for him and have you seen the hospitals here? My years of excess have caught up with me, the preacher was right, your sins will find you out. Long though I have been willing to take the risks associated with playing the game in Jakarta and surrounding cities I am going to sit this one out.

I am actually saving a fortune (just as well given that half my work has dried up), and instead I am taking advantage of all the cheap booze being offloaded by bars and wholesalers on social media and delivered to my door by grumpy little men in green jackets on clapped out motorscooters. Lockdown isn't so bad when you have a decent glass of something and a VPN account and the curtains closed.

Keep safe, stay healthy, see you all on the other side.[/QUOTE]

For those who remember the days when Sarinah was the epicentre of activity in Jakarta. The McDonalds has closed!

[URL]https://www.thejakartapost.com/multimedia/2020/05/12/customers-ignore-physical-distancing-to-bid-farewell-to-indonesias-first-mcdonalds-restaurant.html[/URL]

Ok so it did spend time as that god awful Captain something or other about ten years back due to franchise disputes, but many a happy time was started in that place after you tried your luck elsewhere. As the interviewees attest to in the video! Not for me though, never one pickup there apart from the only case of a bad stomach to ever result in Indonesia.

It joins the Hard Rock cafe next door (and JJs / Tanamour down the road) as but a memory in long time Jakarta expat minds.

[QUOTE=HungMan1808;2450587]For those who remember the days when Sarinah was the epicentre of activity in Jakarta. The McDonalds has closed!

[URL]https://www.thejakartapost.com/multimedia/2020/05/12/customers-ignore-physical-distancing-to-bid-farewell-to-indonesias-first-mcdonalds-restaurant.html[/URL]

Ok so it did spend time as that god awful Captain something or other about ten years back due to franchise disputes, but many a happy time was started in that place after you tried your luck elsewhere. As the interviewees attest to in the video! Not for me though, never one pickup there apart from the only case of a bad stomach to ever result in Indonesia.

It joins the Hard Rock cafe next door (and JJs / Tanamour down the road) as but a memory in long time Jakarta expat minds.[/QUOTE]Memories, memories. For me, this McD was always tconnected to jalan Jaksa. Had I no luck in that hamburger joint, I would leave and go there to have a beer and some fun.

[QUOTE=HungMan1808;2450587]For those who remember the days when Sarinah was the epicentre of activity in Jakarta. The McDonalds has closed!
[/QUOTE]Remember it very well, lots of memories with HRC next and if I'm not mistaken, a Chillies Restaurant. Later on for the final drinks of the night to Jaksa! Legendary!

[QUOTE=Ekspat;2450626]Remember it very well, lots of memories with HRC next and if I'm not mistaken, a Chillies Restaurant. Later on for the final drinks of the night to Jaksa! Legendary![/QUOTE]Back in the days when the Hard Rock Cafe was, like its counterparts in KL, Bali and elsewhere, a very handy late-night pick-up joint and not the bland, family-friendly, mall restaurant it is today.

Chilies has also gone downhill, not as a pick-up joint, I don't think it was ever that but in terms of quality. It used to be a great spot for drinks, ice-cold mugs of beer or margaritas, and a steak but it had a redecoration a couple of years back and somehow lost a lot of its charm. The last time I was in there it was positively grotty, closing at 11 pm, there were no other customers and the tables were sticky and dirty.

I don't think Sarinah as a whole can survive much longer, more modern malls can expect to go to the wall as a result of this pandemic, I really can't see how an old 1960's style department store can possibly stay in business.

JJs and Tanamour are but distant memories, Today Country has long gone (probably just as well mind you, given its, er, proclivities), the 6th Floor of Melawai closed and Falatehan faded well past its glory days, no more Hard Rock and McD's in Sarinah. Of my earliest memories of Jakarta, with the exception of CJs and BATS (Tiga Puluh died a decade or more ago) only Jaksa remains largely as it was. Wait, is Jaya Pub still open? Do bules still go there?

Edited to add: And of course the granddaddy of them all Stadium, how many more lost icons can anyone recall?

[QUOTE=Hilo77;2450632]Wait, is Jaya Pub still open? Do bules still go there?[/QUOTE]Jaya Pub is still open. For a good many years, they had no customers. But for the last 10 years or so it has been packed. Mostly locals now (not naughty girls anymore), and some bules, but the bules who go are usually there with their bule wives. I still go on occasion to listen to the music. At least prior to this stupid coronavirus shit.

[QUOTE=HungMan1808;2450587]Ok so it did spend time as that god awful Captain something or other about ten years back due to franchise disputes, but many a happy time was started in that place after you tried your luck elsewhere. As the interviewees attest to in the video! Not for me though, never one pickup there apart from the only case of a bad stomach to ever result in Indonesia.[/QUOTE]I didn't notice any difference between the food at that Captain something restaurant and McDonalds. I think he was still selling McDonalds food but calling it Captain whatever. I liked his pirate theme. Pretty cool. He did add a few things to the menu as well. It's amazing how they can get away with copyright infringement in Indonesia. Kind of like when Subway sub shops closed in Jakarta and they renamed it to Mamas subs or something like that, but still served the subs almost exactly the same, even wrapped in Subway wrapping paper. Haha.

I met more than one girl at that Sarinah McDonalds after late nights out at Tanamur / JJs / Hard Rock. My ex girlfriend told me the story of when that McDonalds first opened, her family made a special trip from the kampung to Jakarta just to go to that McDonalds. It seems that was a popular thing to do. That, and to try the escalators in Sarinah since those were the first ever built in Indonesia.

[QUOTE=Hilo77;2450632]
Edited to add: And of course the granddaddy of them all Stadium, how many more lost icons can anyone recall?[/QUOTE]Too many to mention. Lintas Melawai, Tambora, Elvis at Oscar, to name a few. And for the locals: salon!!

[QUOTE=Menteng;2450685]Too many to mention. Lintas Melawai, Tambora, Elvis at Oscar, to name a few. And for the locals: salon!![/QUOTE]My goodness Menteng! Are you still around?

[QUOTE=Hilo77;2451056]My goodness Menteng! Are you still around?[/QUOTE]Yes, my friend, thanks to the yellowish pills. But it is no fun watching all those icons in Jakarta disappear. Makes you conscious of your age!

[QUOTE=Menteng;2450685]Too many to mention. Lintas Melawai, Tambora, Elvis at Oscar, to name a few. And for the locals: salon!![/QUOTE]Elvis has unfortunately left the building.

Hi friends.

The great depression in 1930's,The great recession in 2008,what is in 2020?The great attrition?

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2451755]Elvis has unfortunately left the building.[/QUOTE]GREAT!! I should have had my camera more often with me in those days. That's how you create strolls down memory lane.

[QUOTE=Thampi62;2452063]Hi friends.

The great depression in 1930's,The great recession in 2008,what is in 2020?The great attrition?[/QUOTE]The great coronation.

Well, another part of history is gone.

D's Place has announced that it is closed for good. What is left of Pelatehan?

[QUOTE=Menteng;2451067]Yes, my friend, thanks to the yellowish pills. But it is no fun watching all those icons in Jakarta disappear. Makes you conscious of your age![/QUOTE]And now even the's Place has announced that it is being closed for good. Is that the last of the legacy of the legendary Darryl Patton?

[QUOTE=HungMan1808;2450587]For those who remember the days when Sarinah was the epicentre of activity in Jakarta. The McDonalds has closed!

[URL]https://www.thejakartapost.com/multimedia/2020/05/12/customers-ignore-physical-distancing-to-bid-farewell-to-indonesias-first-mcdonalds-restaurant.html[/URL]
most Indonesian food is far supoerio
Ok so it did spend time as that god awful Captain something or other about ten years back due to franchise disputes, but many a happy time was started in that place after you tried your luck elsewhere. As the interviewees attest to in the video! Not for me though, never one pickup there apart from the only case of a bad stomach to ever result in Indonesia.

It joins the Hard Rock cafe next door (and JJs / Tanamour down the road) as but a memory in long time Jakarta expat minds.[/QUOTE]Just saw this post. I happened to be working in Jakarta during August / September 1992 when this particular McDonald's opened and stopped by during its first week, it was spotlessly clean and orderly even though there was a line outside the door. I remember chuckling because most Indonesian food is far superior (and healthier) than McDonald's food. Also remember going to a few birthday parties with my then-3 year old back in 2006.

Hey, Sarinah's has had a good run, even though I remember reading that it was sinking. Famously named after Sukarno's nanny (and allegedly his first sex experience).

[QUOTE=KoperenKlaas;2454921]Well, another part of history is gone.

D's Place has announced that it is closed for good. What is left of Pelatehan?[/QUOTE]I still remember when that place first opened followed not long after by My Bar. I thought both places were downgrades from the places we already had (Oscars, Top Gun, Lintas Melawai). If we could go back to the days with Oscars, Top Gun and Lintas Melawai, I would be quite happy. No need to re-open the's or My Bar.

Here it is friends.

[QUOTE=Thampi62;2455201]Here it is friends.[/QUOTE]Is this expected to be eased during July or August?

[QUOTE=Thampi62;2455201]Here it is friends.[/QUOTE]So according to the chart, as a foreigner assuming one passes the rapid test, seems pretty reasonable that an international traveler can make it in. However, my only doubt is what do they mean by a "Health Certificate"? Does that mean that one has to take proof that they (passenger / traveler) passed a covid exam (negative result) X amount of time before the trip? Or does that mean you need a document or letter from your doctor as well?

Health Certificate. Hmmm. Anyone have more information about that? Would be much appreciated.

[QUOTE=Thampi62;2455201]Here it is friends.[/QUOTE]What this chart does not mention, but is quite clearly mentioned by all embassies, is that the only foreigners allowed to enter are those with a work permit or living permanently in Indonesia. Other exemptions are embassy personnel. Visiting for recreational purposes is still not allowed.

[QUOTE=KoperenKlaas;2455304]What this chart does not mention, but is quite clearly mentioned by all embassies, is that the only foreigners allowed to enter are those with a work permit or living permanently in Indonesia. Other exemptions are embassy personnel. Visiting for recreational purposes is still not allowed.[/QUOTE]The same holds true for many Asian countries. I would say all, but I have not checked all.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2455082]I still remember when that place first opened followed not long after by My Bar. I thought both places were downgrades from the places we already had (Oscars, Top Gun, Lintas Melawai). If we could go back to the days with Oscars, Top Gun and Lintas Melawai, I would be quite happy. No need to re-open the's or My Bar.[/QUOTE]I remember Dee's Place being located at the north end of the street and later re-locating to opposite Top Gun. If I'm correct Highway to Elle later took up the original location of the. My Bar was quite busy, with many girls available, until some years ago, but later you could come there around 10 in the evening and you would be the only one there. Sad.

[QUOTE=MightySpearsman;2455071]Just saw this post. I happened to be working in Jakarta during August / September 1992 when this particular McDonald's opened and stopped by during its first week, it was spotlessly clean and orderly even though there was a line outside the door. I remember chuckling because most Indonesian food is far superior (and healthier) than McDonald's food. Also remember going to a few birthday parties with my then-3 year old back in 2006.

Hey, Sarinah's has had a good run, even though I remember reading that it was sinking. Famously named after Sukarno's nanny (and allegedly his first sex experience).[/QUOTE]If you mean "sinking" in the business sense, you may be right. I haven't been there for some time. In the physical sense it's unlikely, since Sarina was one of the first buildings with a pile foundation and doesn't subside. The surrounding pavement did not have a similar foundation, so over the last years a large height difference has developed between Sarina and the parking area. In the words of another member "you need a stepladder to get from the pavement to the first step of the stairs at the entrance".

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2410294]In case you weren't aware, Jakarta is the fastest sinking city in the world and expected to be underwater by 2050. Works out perfectly with the 30 year contract!

Bangkok is the other scary SEA city to invest in as it will be sitting below sea level by 2030![/QUOTE]This is true mostly to the north of Monas. Further south the settlement is much less. Go to Sarinah and you can get a good impression of the settlement there; Sarina has a pile foundation and does not settle. The surrounding pavement does.

[QUOTE=Mangera;2455248]So according to the chart, as a foreigner assuming one passes the rapid test, seems pretty reasonable that an international traveler can make it in. However, my only doubt is what do they mean by a "Health Certificate"? Does that mean that one has to take proof that they (passenger / traveler) passed a covid exam (negative result) X amount of time before the trip? Or does that mean you need a document or letter from your doctor as well?

Health Certificate. Hmmm. Anyone have more information about that? Would be much appreciated.[/QUOTE]It is the present status of entry to the country. It is not comfortable to travel following this as a monger. I travel to Indo only after easing the entry. It will take few more months. I am waiting for it.

Regards.

I think for all the people who are asking, you may have the chance to travel to Jakarta and be allowed into Indonesia if you are a healthy person and can prove it, but I wouldn't do it based on the 2 reasons why:

1) depending on who is and isn't on duty for quarantine on the day, certain officers may clear you and others wouldn't depending on how much they like your paperwork. Indonesia has been real finnicky based on what is lawful and unlawful and most criteria with laws is never really set in stone. I would hate to pay good money to get on flights just to be turned around at the border. Or, to get there and they slap a 14 day quarantine on you like most countries do.

2) good luck getting flights! Getting international flights at the moment is notoriously hard, plus also expensive. International flights at the moment are for people trying to return home, not go on holiday- and I know plenty of people who have overseas businesses and they're completely screwed, half have gone under because of it.

Honestly the idea of travelling here solely to pursue the hobby is absolutely daft. Unless you have definite leads set up and it's all assured there is no point. Even then you will pretty much be confined to your hotel as nothing else is open, that's if, as has been pointed out below, you even get into the country in the first place.

Give it a miss guys, write this place off for the next three months at least. Save your money at home watching p0 rn and check back in around September some time.

Maybe someone has some more updated information, but it looks like they won't allow any tourist visas until October. Seems a ridiculously long time to wait.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2460169]Maybe someone has some more updated information, but it looks like they won't allow any tourist visas until October. Seems a ridiculously long time to wait.[/QUOTE]It is indeed I can't wait to come to Indonesia again, on the other hand most places are closed now because of corona.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2460169]Maybe someone has some more updated information, but it looks like they won't allow any tourist visas until October. Seems a ridiculously long time to wait.[/QUOTE]LOL October. You'll be waiting longer than that.

It's because of a global pandemic. Maybe you haven't heard.

[QUOTE=Marky1;2460727]LOL October. You'll be waiting longer than that.[/QUOTE]Want to bet?

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2460822]Want to bet?[/QUOTE]Are we going to bet your tickets to indo?

America is gaining covid19 cases by 40 k per day, pretty much all other countries are starting to ramp up and increase in cases. The death rate is sort of at the same number each day, its just shifting numbers to different countries each month where its starting to significantly infect.

You must understand that flights don't take off either unless the intention is that there will be enough ticket sales to completely fill that plane or overbook it IE; sell more than what the plane can hold. One of the key problems is, not only does every country want to stem the spread of the virus, but people don't have the confidence to travel. That lack of confidence would result in poor ticket sales leading to the flights to be eventually cancelled anyways. I've said in a previous thread, even if you were able to get a flight over, which you won't, many hotels aren't operating right now and most tourist locations, even the beaches are closed. Restaurants aren't operating, neither are the bars and its going to be a pretty lonely holiday with nobody else around.

[QUOTE=StephenK;2462484]even if you were able to get a flight over, which you won't, many hotels aren't operating right now and most tourist locations, even the beaches are closed. Restaurants aren't operating, neither are the bars and its going to be a pretty lonely holiday with nobody else around.[/QUOTE]I am talking about 3 months from now. Not today. Flights are actually open now if you have a KITAS. They aren't allowing tourist visas yet.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2462615]I am talking about 3 months from now. Not today. Flights are actually open now if you have a KITAS. They aren't allowing tourist visas yet.[/QUOTE]Well all I know is that the trans Pacific portion of my United Airlines flight to Singapore was cancelled the other day. Since early June I knew this mid August scheduled departure was not going to happen. United's announcement just made it official.

On their website United gave me 3 choices: reschedule the flight for up to 5 months down the road, take a United account credit for the flight good for up to 2 years, or accept a full cc refund. I chose a full refund. So that's that. No trip for me and nothing scheduled until a vaccine is available. And today I cancelled all my hotel reservations and inter Asian flights. I am kind of blue now. It would have been a great trip. But I don't see any changes or improvement as far as international air travel is concerned in the next 6 months because it is going to take a vaccine break thru to change the current international status quo.

The good news is the incentives are strong, many high tech pharmaceutical companies worldwide are racing to be first to develop a viable vaccine, and there are signs that progress is being made ie serious Human trials are now underway. The bad news is from testing to production to world wide distribution, it is going to take TIME. That's why I opted for an Airline refund over a reschedule or an account credit. I plan to book a bigger & better trip as soon as I get the vaccine; whenever that is. Probably not until the end of the 1st quarter 2021. But we shall see.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2464309] I plan to book a bigger & better trip as soon as I get the vaccine; whenever that is. Probably not until the end of the 1st quarter [b]2031[/b]. But we shall see.[/QUOTE]That's more like it.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2464309]

The good news is the incentives are strong, many high tech pharmaceutical companies worldwide are racing to be first to develop a viable vaccine, and there are signs that progress is being made ie serious Human trials are now underway. The bad news is from testing to production to world wide distribution, it is going to take TIME. That's why I opted for an Airline refund over a reschedule or an account credit. I plan to book a bigger & better trip as soon as I get the vaccine; whenever that is. Probably not until the end of the 1st quarter 2021. But we shall see.[/QUOTE]Can't see any of us being able to travel in without there being a vaccine in place otherwise we are taking a huge risk. I have multi-trip travel insurance, which currently covers me for COVID, but then at the minute I can't travel. Absolutley certain that when it comes to renewal COVID-19 will not be included in the cover. So I can either hope I catch it and recover (in a first world country) between now and borders re-open, I take the risk of catching it whilst travelling in the Big Durian (not really a good plan), or wait untill a vaccine is available. I can see it being at least another year before I step in Jakarta, unless I get sent there for work. So fingers are crossed for the work route, then I will have proper medical coverage.

[QUOTE=IrishMongrel;2464517]Can't see any of us being able to travel in without there being a vaccine in place otherwise we are taking a huge risk. .............[/QUOTE]There are many countries with a much less infection rate than the US so I don't see the risk. Vietnam has had 369 infections and no deaths and Cambodia has had 141 infections and no deaths from covid-19 so I don't see the risk for Americans, though being allowed entry into those countries is a completely different issue.

[QUOTE=Marky1;2464429]That's more like it.[/QUOTE]No travel until 2031? That's a pretty dark forecast. LOL. A more likely prospect is that either the labs come up with a viable vaccine in the next 12 months or mother nature will do the job for us with herd immunity. I read a recent article in the Wall Street Journal entitled "Herd Immunity May Be Closer Than You Think: Antibody tests could significantly underestimate the number of novel coronavirus infections. " Take a look.

[URL]https://www.wsj.com/articles/herd-immunity-may-be-closer-than-you-think-11594076237[/URL]

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2462615]I am talking about 3 months from now. Not today. Flights are actually open now if you have a KITAS. They aren't allowing tourist visas yet.[/QUOTE]Smoothy,

Just our of curiosity, how expats are managing visa run if they are not allowed back in on a tourist visa? I was talking to a Dutch friend, apparently there is some sort of Govt service in Jakarta where they are extending their Tourist Visa!

Hey guys,

I relocated to Jakarta about a month ago (got in on a repatriation flight with a freshly processed KITAS). It seems like some things are starting to open up, wondering if anyone has any tips on where to get a short time after work in south Jakarta?

Any wisdom anyone can share?

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2464842]No travel until 2031? That's a pretty dark forecast. LOL. A more likely prospect is that either the labs come up with a viable vaccine in the next 12 months or mother nature will do the job for us with herd immunity. I read a recent article in the Wall Street Journal entitled "Herd Immunity May Be Closer Than You Think: Antibody tests could significantly underestimate the number of novel coronavirus infections. " Take a look.

[URL]https://www.wsj.com/articles/herd-immunity-may-be-closer-than-you-think-11594076237[/URL][/QUOTE]But there is also this: [URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53315983.[/URL] I tend to think a vaccine is the only near-term (meaning in the next year or so) solution to this. Herd immunity would be great (other than the number of deaths and permanent health problems necessary to get there) but for a number of reasons it doesn't seem very likely to me we will get there.

Edit: I see the link isn't working at least from my computer. But if you cut and paste it into a browser it should work.

[QUOTE=JKTbanger;2466005]Hey guys,

I relocated to Jakarta about a month ago (got in on a repatriation flight with a freshly processed KITAS). It seems like some things are starting to open up, wondering if anyone has any tips on where to get a short time after work in south Jakarta?

Any wisdom anyone can share?[/QUOTE]Try Twitter just search #BOJakSel.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2464558]There are many countries with a much less infection rate than the US so I don't see the risk. Vietnam has had 369 infections and no deaths and Cambodia has had 141 infections and no deaths from covid-19 so I don't see the risk for Americans, though being allowed entry into those countries is a completely different issue.[/QUOTE]The risk is that no country will want US residents entering their pristine covid-free country. While many countries have taken the hard decisions to reduce the spread of the virus in their community it would appear from the case numbers that the US has chosen to tolerate high virus rate. US will be able to travel to other covid-high countries like Brazil but entering for a quick holoday low rate countries like Vn, Th or ID unlikely.

I have come across a type of Tinder contact who are obviously scam artists but as I have neither the patience nor the inclination to see it through I don't know what their angle is.

The first one claimed to be an Indonesian woman living in Hong Kong, and living the high life. Personal details were very sketchy but she would WA me pictures of her top-of-the-range Mercedes or the fine jewellery she was wearing that night. I wasn't particularly interested as I am more of a low (very low) hanging fruit kinda guy, pembantus and karaoke hostesses rather than society hostesses being my field of operations, I get the same result for one thousandth of the cost.

Anyway, every morning I would get a new picture of her high life, with a brief description of what she had done the previous day, but nothing in the way of normal human chit-chat. Then one day she sent me a picture of a beautifully set out and elaborate Chinese fish dish that her "maid had cooked her for lunch". Well her maid must be a five-star chef I thought, so I confirmed whether she was actually in a restaurant, no she assured me this was her dining room and her maid had brought her lunch. I then noticed something in the corner of the pic, "So why does your maid bring you a receipt along with your lunch? Conversation ended after that. No big deal, a pointless show-off trying to impress a stranger, I forgot about it.

Now I find myself in a conversation with another Indonesian woman, trapped by visa regulations in Hong Kong. And she obviously has a great career, she showed me a picture of the nice boat she was going out in a spin around the bay. I asked her, not with any great interest, how her trip was. She replied the next morning, apologising for being tired after her trip saying it was fun. The next morning she sends me pictures of two watches, one a Rolex, one an AP, which should she pick? Eenie-meenie I thought and picked one, "ooh" she replies (next morning) "that's the one I like too", and proceeded to ask me about my watch collection. Next morning a picture of her in her bathroom mirror at home, hmmmm, I have seen a few hotel bathrooms before and I know what they look like, besides the four miniature soap bottles in the shower are a bit of a give-away.

So what's the angle? They are pretending to be extremely wealthy independent women, living the high life. The scam is a bit poorly run depending as it does on photos culled from the internet and the messages are only sent in the morning. Like I say I haven't the inclination to follow it through but no doubt it involves bank account details and cash transfers but to be honest the speed at which they operate it could be months before the sting emerges. Anyone been here before? Is there a way I can have fun in return?

Yes this happened to me last year. Except in this case it was wechat, I'm in melbourne and the woman supposably in sydney. She said she was a currency trader and making huge money and would send photos of gucci handbags and other expensive high end stuff. This all went on for a number of months until one day she sent me a message asking if I would be interested in being partners in the currency trade with her. I replied, ha ha thanks but no thanks I'm quite happy with my currnt investments. Never heard from her again. So yeah eventualy they'll get around to the scam.

[QUOTE=TripleX;2466602]Try Twitter just search #BOJakSel.[/QUOTE]Thanks, but I guess I was more wondering if there are any find establishments open that I could visit. Not really wanting to bring anything to my apartment.

[QUOTE=BlueBus;2466911]Yes this happened to me last year. Except in this case it was wechat, I'm in melbourne and the woman supposably in sydney. She said she was a currency trader and making huge money and would send photos of gucci handbags and other expensive high end stuff. This all went on for a number of months until one day she sent me a message asking if I would be interested in being partners in the currency trade with her. I replied, ha ha thanks but no thanks I'm quite happy with my currnt investments. Never heard from her again. So yeah eventualy they'll get around to the scam.[/QUOTE]I see, thanks that makes sense. The first one was pretty useless as she couldn't manage any sort of conversation beyond flashing her supposed wealth (in hindsight I think there might have been another one, an Indonesian woman who claimed to be a wine importer and when in passing I mentioned something about fasting she asked me why anyone would fast, and then made it clear she had no idea what Ramadan was, an unlikely Indonesian, no matter whet religion she was).

This one I am currently engaged with can actually chat about things, including movies and TV programs, but keeps bringing the topic around to money, investments and luxury items. She insists the hotel bathroom is actually her apartment in Repulse Bay. Yeah, when did you ever see a woman's bathroom that wasn't totally cluttered with tubes, brushes, jars, bottles, cotton wool and all the other crap they store in there? Not even a toothbrush to sully the pristine marble sink unit, while behind her is a crisply folded white towel and the aforementioned miniature shampoo bottles.

This doesn't even seem worthwile pursuing like the Nigerian scammers, sounds like it's all too long and boring.

Ha ha yes I had the wine merchant as well. It was a couple of months before the currency trader. Same sort of speil, same generic hotel photos. Same same but different!

Take care and stay safe. As they say nowdays.

[QUOTE=BlueBus;2466995]Ha ha yes I had the wine merchant as well. It was a couple of months before the currency trader. Same sort of speil, same generic hotel photos. Same same but different!

Take care and stay safe. As they say nowdays.[/QUOTE]Below is a small section of the "wine merchant's" conversation indicating she might not have been who she said she was.

What sort of wine? Red wine. Ha ha that's classic!! Yeah she was no wine merchant that's for sure.

[QUOTE=JKTbanger;2466974]Thanks, but I guess I was more wondering if there are any find establishments open that I could visit. Not really wanting to bring anything to my apartment.[/QUOTE]Then get on to Agoda or Traveloka and book a hotel room in South Jakarta, you can get a decent enough room for less than $30 in a three- or four-star hotel. Check in at 2 pm, the room is now yours for the next 24 hours. Get on Tinder or Twitter as suggested below, you can easily line up dates starting from mid-afternoon until the wee hours of the following morning. Shower, check out and return to your apartment the next day as pure as the driven snow in the eyes of your neighbours.

In answer to your original question, however, no there are no commercial, point-and-shoot, establishments operating at the moment, but there is no shortage, whatsoever, of available talent online, it just takes a bit of simple effort. Heck you might even get what you're looking for without any cash changing hands, I know I have.

[QUOTE=JKTbanger;2466974]Thanks, but I guess I was more wondering if there are any find establishments open that I could visit. Not really wanting to bring anything to my apartment.[/QUOTE]Many if not most of the Twitter girls work out of an apartment so you can see them at their apartment not yours.

[QUOTE=Hilo77;2466899]I have come across a type of Tinder contact who are obviously scam artists but as I have neither the patience nor the inclination to see it through I don't know what their angle is.

The first one claimed to be an Indonesian woman living in Hong Kong, and living the high life. Personal details were very sketchy but she would WA me pictures of her top-of-the-range Mercedes or the fine jewellery she was wearing that night. I wasn't particularly interested as I am more of a low (very low) hanging fruit kinda guy, pembantus and karaoke hostesses rather than society hostesses being my field of operations, I get the same result for one thousandth of the cost.

Anyway, every morning I would get a new picture of her high life, with a brief description of what she had done the previous day, but nothing in the way of normal human chit-chat. Then one day she sent me a picture of a beautifully set out and elaborate Chinese fish dish that her "maid had cooked her for lunch". Well her maid must be a five-star chef I thought, so I confirmed whether she was actually in a restaurant, no she assured me this was her dining room and her maid had brought her lunch. I then noticed something in the corner of the pic, "So why does your maid bring you a receipt along with your lunch? Conversation ended after that. No big deal, a pointless show-off trying to impress a stranger, I forgot about it.

Now I find myself in a conversation with another Indonesian woman, trapped by visa regulations in Hong Kong. And she obviously has a great career, she showed me a picture of the nice boat she was going out in a spin around the bay. I asked her, not with any great interest, how her trip was. She replied the next morning, apologising for being tired after her trip saying it was fun. The next morning she sends me pictures of two watches, one a Rolex, one an AP, which should she pick? Eenie-meenie I thought and picked one, "ooh" she replies (next morning) "that's the one I like too", and proceeded to ask me about my watch collection. Next morning a picture of her in her bathroom mirror at home, hmmmm, I have seen a few hotel bathrooms before and I know what they look like, besides the four miniature soap bottles in the shower are a bit of a give-away.

So what's the angle? They are pretending to be extremely wealthy independent women, living the high life. The scam is a bit poorly run depending as it does on photos culled from the internet and the messages are only sent in the morning. Like I say I haven't the inclination to follow it through but no doubt it involves bank account details and cash transfers but to be honest the speed at which they operate it could be months before the sting emerges. Anyone been here before? Is there a way I can have fun in return?[/QUOTE]Sounds like they're trying to scam you to be their long term sponsor. The higher end they carry on, the more you're supposed to entertain them at that level if you go out on a date. It sure does work out better than them telling you that they're a Indonesian housekeeper for some Hong Kong lady and lives at the employer's flat.

[QUOTE=Hilo77;2467066]Below is a small section of the "wine merchant's" conversation indicating she might not have been who she said she was.[/QUOTE]I can't even remember the last time I spoke with an Indo girl who knew that much English.

I have a similar story regarding Tinder and HongKong, albeit with different nationalities involved, but somewhat the same tale. I live in the US and when I see an Asian looking woman between 18-40 in Tinder where it says she lives relatively close by, I swipe right. A good percentage of the time they then match with me.

However, the three times it has happened, it turns out they actually live in either HongKong or Shenzhen, the Chinese border city to the north. One gal claimed to live in an upscale beach area in Hong Kong that has million dollar condo's, another lived in Shenzhen and said she owned an upscale men's clothing line with a partner and sent me photos of various high end suits. Another also lived in Shenzhen and was in finance of some sort. They all claimed to be living or traveling in the US visiting relatives or for business until Covid19 called them home, hence the reason Tinder indicated they were close to my home.

Given the distance involved and the fact neither of us can travel to our respective destinations, I grew weary of the convos after a while, not to mention the time difference in communicating. I kept waiting for the hustle though it never came. So wondering like you what this is about.

Also, I received a Tinder match from an attractive Japanese woman living in Tokyo. Her posts were a bit more interesting as she sent me photos of a recent ski trip to northern Japan and some interesting pics of Tokyo. She also claimed to be in Chicago until she had to return in March. Again, I can't travel to Tokyo until the Covid restrictions are lifted though I suppose it's always nice to know someone who speaks and reads English in Tokyo.

So is this just some oddball Asian thing or what?

[QUOTE=BenderOver;2467322]Sounds like they're trying to scam you to be their long term sponsor. The higher end they carry on, the more you're supposed to entertain them at that level if you go out on a date. It sure does work out better than them telling you that they're a Indonesian housekeeper for some Hong Kong lady and lives at the employer's flat.[/QUOTE]

As soon as I get one of these girls with photos of Ferraris, luxury homes, jewellery etc (and not one of them enjoying these) it usually means one thing. Forex trading invites.

If it isn't that, it is gold, or bitcoin.

Always, no matter how long it takes them to get around to it.

Just had one banging on about her winery in China. How many barrels do you produce? "Hundreds of millions". Wow biggest winery in the world. But only trade in China, so no one else knows about it. All closed by Covid, but fortunately her forex trading for a day (with indecipherable figures with no labels) covers the losses!

They'll be selling bridges in Brooklyn to you soon. Unlimited supply!

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2467436]I grew weary of the convos after a while, not to mention the time difference in communicating. I kept waiting for the hustle though it never came. So wondering like you what this is about.
[/QUOTE]You know what would be funny? If they were for real.

There's dozens of fabulously wealthy, smart, well turned-out, independent, entrepreneurial women living the high life up there in Hong Kong, desperate to have sex with middle-aged, beer-bellied, white Joe Schmoes like us and being hurt and disappointed when we keep giving them the kiss-off. Maybe that's what makes them so desperate and makes us so attractive, we're the only men who have ever rejected their advances, who have ever said no to them, we are their forbidden fruit!

Meanwhile, we shuffle along in our old shabby way, picking up bargirls and sad single moms for a quick screw in some cheap kos-kosan while patting ourselves on the back about how there's no flies on us, no siree, you won't catch us out.

Now that, gentlemen, would be funny.

[QUOTE=Hilo77;2467529]You know what would be funny? If they were for real.

There's dozens of fabulously wealthy, smart, well turned-out, independent, entrepreneurial women living the high life up there in Hong Kong, desperate to have sex with middle-aged, beer-bellied, white Joe Schmoes like us and being hurt and disappointed when we keep giving them the kiss-off. Maybe that's what makes them so desperate and makes us so attractive, we're the only men who have ever rejected their advances, who have ever said no to them, we are their forbidden fruit!

Meanwhile, we shuffle along in our old shabby way, picking up bargirls and sad single moms for a quick screw in some cheap kos-kosan while patting ourselves on the back about how there's no flies on us, no siree, you won't catch us out.

Now that, gentlemen, would be funny.[/QUOTE]Of course, there are scams a plenty and if it sounds too good to be true then it likely is. But, and it's a big but, any Asian woman over the age of 28 is considered left on the shelf by society and often herself. Doubly so if she is divorced with a kid or two.

It's not a market I partake in but many report adding a couple of decades to the usually 19 yo air head gets a self funded, intelligent and, still very attractive woman. Oh and she WILL find the best ways to say thanks.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2467541]Of course, there are scams a plenty and if it sounds too good to be true then it likely is. But, and it's a big but, any Asian woman over the age of 28 is considered left on the shelf by society and often herself. Doubly so if she is divorced with a kid or two.

It's not a market I partake in but many report adding a couple of decades to the usually 19 yo air head gets a self funded, intelligent and, still very attractive woman. Oh and she WILL find the best ways to say thanks.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]You make a very good point, and if you are looking for a decent, long-term or even medium-term relationship such women can be very rewarding. But for the quick one-off, get it done and walk away sort of relationship most of us want (we wouldn't be on this site otherwise) the "sosialita" is not really an option.

First off they have been around the course a few times, you can't bullshit them like you can a 19 yo waitress just up from Sukabumi and getting used to life amid the bright lights and big city. They know the ropes and they've heard our fascinating stories of life overseas a hundred times before. A lot of them will be educated and have lived overseas themselves, indeed many of them will have visited more countries than we will.

Second, where are you going to take them? You can't take them to your hole-and-the-wall joints where you can get them warmed up on Long Island ice teas and listening to the bar band doing their bad cover version of "Honky Tonk Woman" at full volume and expect them to be impressed. You have to go to nice restaurants and visit the sort of things they want to see like art exhibitions or book launches. Shit, if I want to take a woman in her late thirties to places like those I can just bring my missus and save all the hassle. That's another issue, if you're married the chances are that unlike the 19 yo airhead, the sosialita and your wife move in the same circles, sooner or later, and probably sooner you're going to connect.

Third, for all their supposed insouciance about sex, the older or divorced woman is often (as you suggested) deeply insecure, even if she has a successful career. She knows she's getting the last chance at the game, her open-minded and uninhibited attitude to sex and her willingness to sleep around is not a sign of her relaxed, enlightened thinking but very often a mask for her desperation. And if she decides she does like you and has already sized you up as the guy who will be paying her kids' private school fees, woe betide anyone who tries to stand in her way, if she is wealthy or well-connected you might find your options suddenly narrowing very rapidly if you want to stay in the country.

I prefer a blowjob in the back of my car in a mall parking lot from a cute supermarket cashier coming off her shift and willing to earn some pocket money before she goes home or checking into a motel in Cempaka Putih with a twenty-something jilbab-wearing elementary schoolteacher looking to learn what all the fuss is about from some nice foreign guy who won't be naming and shaming her on Facebook the next day. Life's a lot easier when you keep it simple.

[QUOTE=Hilo77;2467631]And if she decides she does like you and has already sized you up as the guy who will be paying her kids' private school fees, woe betide anyone who tries to stand in her way, if she is wealthy or well-connected you might find your options suddenly narrowing very rapidly if you want to stay in the country.[/QUOTE]Hahah. Very true. These are not girls to be trifled with. I know a guy who married a similar lady. Lovely women if you were on her good side. Fearsome if you were not. He got caught in bed with the maid. I'll let you decide how that ended up for him!!

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Bulai69;627990]You are just so charming I can imagine why that women wanted you as a role model! Likewise I can understand why you backed out - but I think this is a situation where Pak Menteng might be prepared to "help out" - getting her another "role model" would de-risk the situation for you I think.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MightySpearsman;627900]
[B]When is a freebie not worth it?[/B]

No, this story is NOT about a woman who weighs over 120 kg. But since there have been several posts recently about finding freebies on AFF, I thought it useful to share this story:

A few weeks ago I was in Kota one weekday on business. Around 4:15 p.m. I walked over to the Transjakarta bus line at Kota to take the bus to Plaza Indonesia.

Walking in front of me to the ticket line and waiting line was an attractive, professionally dressed dark-skinned Indonesian woman in her late 30s, medium build, long black hair, wearing a jacket over a silk shirt buttoned up to her neck, a skirt to just below her knees and work pumps heels (i.e. not the stiletto heels that many hookers wear), but it was obvious that she had great legs and a good figure.

We struck up a conversation while waiting in line, friendly and polite, and I learned that she was a sales manager for a large insurance company, and that she was returning to her office after having met with a client.

Walked onto the bus and sat down towards the front, and to my surprise she sat down next to me and continued to talk, very friendly; she gave me her card and asked me for my cell phone number just before I got off the bus. Five minutes later I received a short sms from her, saying that she enjoyed talking with me and wanted to meet me again for a drink. I replied fine, let me know when you are free. Two days later, she sms'd me again, proposing that we meet at Chili's (Sarinah Plaza) for drinks the following afternoon.

Met up at Chili's at 4 p.m. the next day and, after some small talk about the weather and traffic, she got straight to the point she was married with a nine-year-old son, but that the marriage had collapsed, she and her husband were living together only for the sake of their son, she no longer had sex with her husband, and that she was looking for someone to have fun sex with, namely me. Sounded good to me, and I started to look forward to our first session together.

Then the kicker. After saying lots of nice things about me as a way of explaining why she had picked me for this opportunity, she blurted out I think you're just wonderful. I've already told my nine-year-old son about you and I want you to meet him soon and be a role model for him.

Oops! The last thing I need is to get involved in a potential marriage-wrecking situation, nor do I need or want to be a surrogate father to someone else's kid. Luckily my cell phone beeped a minute later with an sms from a friend, I read it and, pretending that it was from my office, said sorry, I have to get back to my office right away to send a fax to the U.S. before closing time, left money to pay for the drinks and got up and left.

I then sent an sms to her later explaining that I was real busy at work and wouldn't be able to see her anytime soon. She then sent a couple of sms's over the next week saying hello and which I ignored, then I've never heard from her again.[/QUOTE]Normally I would not clog up the board with a quote from August 4, 2007 but after reading the recent posts about older women, I thought I'd re-quote what I wrote back then, plus Bulai69's kind reply to me. I'm pretty sure Menteng did not follow up since he was out of the country at that time, however.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2467635]Hahah. Very true. These are not girls to be trifled with. I know a guy who married a similar lady. Lovely women if you were on her good side. Fearsome if you were not. He got caught in bed with the maid. I'll let you decide how that ended up for him!!

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]Ah, screwing the maid, come on, who among us hasn't?

What, I am the only one?

[QUOTE=MightySpearsman;2467683]Normally I would not clog up the board with a quote from August 4, 2007 but after reading the recent posts about older women, I thought I'd re-quote what I wrote back then, plus Bulai69's kind reply to me. I'm pretty sure Menteng did not follow up since he was out of the country at that time, however.[/QUOTE]Great story, and it brings back so many things that are no longer with us.

AFF, gone.

Bulai69, gone.

Picking up women on the Busway, gone.

Having a nice drink in Chili's, gone.

Menteng, oh wait, he's still around.

[QUOTE=Hilo77;2467803]Ah, screwing the maid, come on, who among us hasn't?[/QUOTE]Me. Too many horror stories for me to have anything but the oldest ugliest nenek to be found.

A hot young maid is a recipe for disaster.

G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2467992]Me. Too many horror stories for me to have anything but the oldest ugliest nenek to be found.

A hot young maid is a recipe for disaster.

G.[/QUOTE]When I was young and lived with my parents and we would have women over for interviews for housekeeper my mom would choose the oldest and ugliest much to the chagrin of my brother and I.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2468180]When I was young and lived with my parents and we would have women over for interviews for housekeeper my mom would choose the oldest and ugliest much to the chagrin of my brother and I.[/QUOTE]Shame you didn't have a hot nanny. Several international school kids have been busted pimping out their nanny to school mates. Apparently the parents were surprised at how many friends were coming around to help little Johnny with his assignments.

No I'm not kidding. 😁.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2468282]Shame you didn't have a hot nanny. Several international school kids have been busted pimping out their nanny to school mates. Apparently the parents were surprised at how many friends were coming around to help little Johnny with his assignments.

No I'm not kidding. 😁.[/QUOTE]I remember reading some web discussion somewhere in which people described their earliest sexual conquests, it was quite eye-opening to read how many lads in Indonesia were initiated into the carnal world by their nannies, one would almost begin to believe that bonking the boys is regarded as a perk of the job as a nanny in Indonesia.

I believe no less a great swordsman than President Soekarno himself enjoyed the favours of his nanny and so smitten was he that decades later he named Sarinah mall after her.

Damn, I grew up in the wrong archipelago.

[QUOTE=Hilo77;2468406]...one would almost begin to believe that bonking the boys is regarded as a perk of the job as a nanny in Indonesia.
....[/QUOTE]Many Indonesian girls believe that deflowering a young boy somehow guarantees good skin. Don't ask me it's just one of the thousands superstitions in the place 😁 . Hence, it would indeed be seen as a perk to have access to these young boys.

G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2468413]Many Indonesian girls believe that deflowering a young boy somehow guarantees good skin. Don't ask me it's just one of the thousands superstitions in the place 😁 . Hence, it would indeed be seen as a perk to have access to these young boys.

G.[/QUOTE]We had a maid who, before washing it, took my underpants from the pile of dirty clothes and rubbed her face with it. She believed that doing that with the underpants of a virgin boy, will help to prevent acne.

[QUOTE=Hilo77;2467804]Great story, and it brings back so many things that are no longer with us.

AFF, gone.

Bulai69, gone.

Picking up women on the Busway, gone.

Having a nice drink in Chili's, gone.

Menteng, oh wait, he's still around.[/QUOTE]Uncle Dorman, gone. But, we are lucky to have a successor.

I just discovered that it is projected that in a little over three years time Indonesia will have the fifth largest economy in the world. Greater than Germany, France, the UK and Italy. That should certainly have an impact on our hobby. Perhaps increasing prices exponentially. I suspect post covid punting will be much different from what we have grown accustomed to.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2469058]I just discovered that it is projected that in a little over three years time Indonesia will have the fifth largest economy in the world. Greater than Germany, France, the UK and Italy. That should certainly have an impact on our hobby. Perhaps increasing prices exponentially. I suspect post covid punting will be much different from what we have grown accustomed to.[/QUOTE]The population of Indonesia is almost the same as the the total of the 4 countries you mentioned. The rich in Indonesia are rich but if you have been to Indonesia you will know it is mainly a ghetto where people live in what I consider poverty. If you are implying costs will increase they may marginally but it's all relative when an 1 hour session with a pretty decent looking girl at Classic or Travel or KI currently costs around $25 USD per hour.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2469222]The population of Indonesia is almost the same as the the total of the 4 countries you mentioned. The rich in Indonesia are rich but if you have been to Indonesia you will know it is mainly a ghetto where people live in what I consider poverty. If you are implying costs will increase they may marginally but it's all relative when an 1 hour session with a pretty decent looking girl at Classic or Travel or KI currently costs around $25 USD per hour.[/QUOTE]Any updates on when Classic or Travel or KI (what's KI?) will open?

I arrived just in time for a quick visit to Travel and some other little dump near the old Stadium, but then it all closed.

Horrible timing.

Last night I did a pass through Blok M, mostly just curious if anything was open. I know Eastern Promise is open, in a pretty limited and slim pickings kind of way.

Wondering if anyone knows of any other freelance places that are open? I know social media is an option, but I'm really missing the chatting at a bar environment.

Cheers!

[QUOTE=JKTbanger;2469349]Any updates on when Classic or Travel or KI (what's KI?) will open?

I arrived just in time for a quick visit to Travel and some other little dump near the old Stadium, but then it all closed.

Horrible timing.[/QUOTE]Hi friend, How was your experience in entering the country? I mean the immigration formalities and health assessment in this covid season. KI is Kota Indah.

Regards.

As far as the corruption culture, countries infrastructure, and education stays the same.

Nothing is going to happen. Indonesia will and remain the same or will get poorer.

I have seen it getting worse not better.

Cheers, and happy punting.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2469058]I just discovered that it is projected that in a little over three years time Indonesia will have the fifth largest economy in the world. Greater than Germany, France, the UK and Italy. That should certainly have an impact on our hobby. Perhaps increasing prices exponentially. I suspect post covid punting will be much different from what we have grown accustomed to.[/QUOTE]

I have good news brothers Indonesia will be open voor foreigners from 01-10-2020 I have this information from reliable source.

[QUOTE=Menteng;2468419]We had a maid who, before washing it, took my underpants from the pile of dirty clothes and rubbed her face with it. She believed that doing that with the underpants of a virgin boy, will help to prevent acne.[/QUOTE]So is this with skid-marks or without?

[QUOTE=Blacka0;2474443]I have good news brothers Indonesia will be open voor foreigners from 01-10-2020 I have this information from reliable source.[/QUOTE]That would be very welcome new, if they do that I would assume they will also drop the mandatory 2 week quarantine periods. Wouldn't make much sense otherwise.

[QUOTE=Blacka0;2474443]I have good news brothers Indonesia will be open voor foreigners from 01-10-2020 I have this information from reliable source.[/QUOTE]Welcome news. But what all conditions they are going to set up will be the tougher side. For mongers it is better to wait till things settle down.

Regards.

[QUOTE=Thampi62;2474340]Hi friend, How was your experience in entering the country? I mean the immigration formalities and health assessment in this covid season. KI is Kota Indah.

Regards.[/QUOTE]The most painful part was getting on the airplane. Lots of confusion and incorrect information when trying to get alignment between Immigration, the local Indonesian Embassy, and the airline is no small effort. It's clear that none of these offices actually talk to each other. I was denied at the airport twice and not allowed to board the flight, once for not having the right information from the local Embassy and the other because the local Embassy never informed the airline. I did need to have a PCR test, a medical certificate, and a "fit to fly" certificate, all dated within a week.

After finally getting all the paperwork done, 3rd times a charm, I was able to board the flight and lift-off. Arriving Indonesia was time consuming but relatively painless. Lots of waiting, lots of social distanced lines to wait in, lots of rubber stamps. Slow moving and spread out but fairly well put together.

Any Mongers in Jakarta up for a weekend drink, let me know!

[QUOTE=Tomasb;2474449]So is this with skid-marks or without?[/QUOTE]LOL! We Indonesians, clean our asses with water and not by wiping it with paper. BTW she hoped for stains, left by erections.

[QUOTE=FlapFlap;2474596]That would be very welcome new, if they do that I would assume they will also drop the mandatory 2 week quarantine periods. Wouldn't make much sense otherwise.[/QUOTE]You can skip the 2 weeks quarantine BUT you have to a full swap covid test the one they put cotton in your deep throat and deep in your nose and have this printed out in English.

If you want to travel by the way let say to Bali or another island in Indonesian you can do the fast rapid covid test which they take a little blood and put that on a test case.

[QUOTE=Blacka0;2474443]I have good news brothers Indonesia will be open voor foreigners from 01-10-2020 I have this information from reliable source.[/QUOTE]Open for foreigners means open for Chinese and Koreans or open for everyone?

These are very important details.

[QUOTE=Menteng;2474604]LOL! We Indonesians, clean our asses with water and not by wiping it with paper. BTW she hoped for stains, left by erections.[/QUOTE]If she wanted stains she should have wrapped her face in your bed sheets. When I was a lad my mother got fed up washing my sheets, she just waited a week or two, took them out to the back yard and cracked them into little pieces and dumped them.

On the ass cleaning front, if there is one benefit from the great COVID-19 toilet paper panic-buying crisis it must surely be that people outside Asia finally consider the benefits of bum guns, if they do so western civilisation might make a small but progressive step forward.

[QUOTE=DzikaBomba;2474738]Open for foreigners means open for Chinese and Koreans or open for everyone?

These are very important details.[/QUOTE][URL]https://m.medcom.id/amp/yKXA2MXN-govt-mulls-plan-to-enable-foreign-tourists-to-work-from-bali[/URL]

This doesn't seem to good, its only a plan for now but still.

[QUOTE=Blacka0;2474443]I have good news brothers Indonesia will be open voor foreigners from 01-10-2020 I have this information from reliable source.[/QUOTE]This sounds in contradiction with this link.

[URL]https://m.medcom.id/amp/yKXA2MXN-gov...work-from-bali[/URL]

[QUOTE=Muzungufotsy;2475249]This sounds in contradiction with this link.

[URL]https://m.medcom.id/amp/yKXA2MXN-gov...work-from-bali[/URL][/QUOTE]When Indonesia opens up to travel is one thing, the other major consideration is where you are departing from.

I live in Australia and believe it will be most unlikely we will be allowed to depart our shores for OS destinations before the end of this year maybe well beyond that.

Some countries will maybe allow, but for the likes of me will be some time regardless of Indonesias position.

Pedro.

Like many of you fine gentleman I was planning to end up in Pattaya again towards the end of this year like I always do as I believe Pattaya to (still) be the best mongering destination on earth for the sheer amount of variety and extreme convenience that it provides (all kinds of ages (18+!) and styles and no trial and error bullshit that you have to go through like in many many other countries. Everything is so easily available). Well. With the current situation the way it is and with Thailand still holding on to these ridiculous border closures while people dependant on tourism starve on the streets I started looking elsewhere.

Therefore if. Things should look better in December I changed my plans from going to Pattaya to fly over to Jakarta instead over NYE for 3 weeks.

Would anyone mind sharing some more info on the pricing structure in Jakarta and point me to some additional sources / websites that are realiable? Unfortunately the last pages where not really discussing this topic.

I mostly go for young girls between 18 and 24 as I am just 32 myself and if I am going to pay I want the girls to be hot (while still keeping reasonable budget in mind).

How much would an attractive young FL or bargirl cost for 1 hour of full service? (making out, DATY, uncovered BJ and regular sex with condom)?

Cheers guys I appreciate the input <3.

[QUOTE=Argo1990;2475529] Well. With the current situation the way it is and with Thailand still holding on to these ridiculous border closures while people dependant on tourism starve on the streets I started looking elsewhere.
[/QUOTE]There's no difference to any of the countries in Asia at the minute. Borders are closed up everywhere and there is no real rush to open them up from governements before they get this under control. Latest news for Indonesia suggests they will be locked down untill the end of the year.

[URL]https://www.arabnews.com/node/1719446/world[/URL]

You're not going to see borders open untill life is somewhat back to normal. And even when they do I would suspect there is going to be lots of controls for people coming in from perceived hotspots. Quarantine, vaccination certificates!

On a plus side there's going to be a lot of hungry ladies once all this runs it's course and can't wait to get on a flight once borders open. Tinder, WeChat and whatever other chat apps in vogue will be buzzing:-the.

[QUOTE=IrishMongrel;2475699]There's no difference to any of the countries in Asia at the minute. Borders are closed up everywhere and there is no real rush to open them up from governements before they get this under control. Latest news for Indonesia suggests they will be locked down untill the end of the year.

[URL]https://www.arabnews.com/node/1719446/world[/URL]

You're not going to see borders open untill life is somewhat back to normal. And even when they do I would suspect there is going to be lots of controls for people coming in from perceived hotspots. Quarantine, vaccination certificates!

On a plus side there's going to be a lot of hungry ladies once all this runs it's course and can't wait to get on a flight once borders open. Tinder, WeChat and whatever other chat apps in vogue will be buzzing:-the.[/QUOTE]Nothing is official for now tho, this one was posted yesterday [URL]https://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2020/08/15/indonesia-still-evaluating-when-to-reopen-bali-and-other-tourist-hot-spots.html?src=mostviewed&pg=news/national[/URL] and in it they sound way more open to exploring possibilities than in the one you linked.

I was planning to make several trips to Jakarta this year and now sit stranded far away and am wondering what it is like there.

While it seems all p4 p venues in Jakarta are closed, there must be a l o t of desperate working girls in Jakarta now. And I assume people can still move around and online dating services are still operational. So, although there is no opportunity to go to well-managed venues and select from a large number of girls on sight and efficiently do 3-4 girls in an evening, logically there should be some great opportunities to hook up with a few really attractive girls online and develop more long-term p4 p relationships with very good service. And there should be somebody on this board who is still based in Jakarta. So, please come forth and tell us about it. Or send me a personal message if you prefer.

Screwing in a different type of form... Looking for recommendations, anyone experienced with dental implants in Jakarta?

I just cracked a tooth. Never had a dental implant so don't know what to expect.

My own dentist in Kuningan is pretty good (high review ratings, using state of the art materials), but when it comes to implants I am not sure how good / experienced they are.

[QUOTE=TommySuharto;2476252]Screwing in a different type of form... Looking for recommendations, anyone experienced with dental implants in Jakarta?

I just cracked a tooth. Never had a dental implant so don't know what to expect.

My own dentist in Kuningan is pretty good (high review ratings, using state of the art materials), but when it comes to implants I am not sure how good / experienced they are.[/QUOTE]I highly recommend Dr. Berty at Red Lips in Menteng Plaza, just up the road from Kuningan. She is great, very reasonable and professional. She and her husband have been ther for years, and did several implants for me.

Bule2004.

Went through Blok M on the way home last night just to see if anything was open, and to my surprise there was! The Tavern is now open, and had a reasonable crowd in there last night. At the moment it's the only place that's open on the street, but according to the staff the other bars are planning to open up beginning of next month.

They also mentioned that Dees permanently closed, was picked up by a new owner, doing some cleanup, and will be reopening next month as well. Hopefully all the other spots are close behind.

[QUOTE=Cucumber;2475888]I was planning to make several trips to Jakarta this year and now sit stranded far away and am wondering what it is like there.

While it seems all p4 p venues in Jakarta are closed, there must be a l o t of desperate working girls in Jakarta now. And I assume people can still move around and online dating services are still operational. So, although there is no opportunity to go to well-managed venues and select from a large number of girls on sight and efficiently do 3-4 girls in an evening, logically there should be some great opportunities to hook up with a few really attractive girls online and develop more long-term p4 p relationships with very good service. And there should be somebody on this board who is still based in Jakarta. So, please come forth and tell us about it. Or send me a personal message if you prefer.[/QUOTE]You are correct the commercial venues, everything from the big meat markets in Kota to the spas remain shut (although a good friend recently pointed me to an operation by one of the major massage spa chains run out of hotel rooms). The whole Lokasari area is best avoided for the time being as one particularly stupid French fuckwit screwed that pooch over during the pandemic and it's not a safe location nowadays. If you are familiar with all the other aspects of the Jakarta scene, however, and know how to handle it, then there is plenty available.

All the hotels are open and there are some remarkably cheap options available with reasonable 3* and 4* rooms in South and Central Jakarta going for $20 a night, I would recommend the Agoda app. Be prepared for all the usual rigmarole of temperature checks and wearing masks when you check in but after that everything is as normal.

Tinder is as busy as ever perhaps even busier with so many people bored and locked down at home. The money is clearly tight, this can be detected by the number of girls who have signed up for "trading" sites and other multi-level pyramid scams. You can spot most of them straight away, look out for PT Invest / Futures / Equities / Forex / Gold or whatever as their employer and their job description as financial adviser or "binis konsultan", how many 19 yo girls in jilbabs do you think are business consultants in Jakarta? Simply ignore them, you might get to meet them for a coffee, during office hours, but beyond that forget it. Same with the African girls, there are quite a few of them about, I have no idea what the deal is with them but you'll get the run-around and probably never score. Beyond them there are a million eligible girls out there for you to work your charms on, to the extent that I would safely ignore the blatant BO / VCS girls, they are not individual girls but simply a front for a mama somewhere. You'll make a booking with the girl who claims to be the one in the picture and who says she lives 20 minutes away and two hours later someone completely different from the pic will arrive.

The bars are opening up again, all the regular ones anyway, not sure why Falatehan isn't, perhaps they were never making any money and they have simply shut down for good.

All in all, if you know how to manage expectations in Jakarta (ie you know you aren't always going to get what you wanted and then when you expect the least you hit the jackpot), you have a bit of the lingo and you can use smartphone apps you should have no problem getting what you want. If you are a newbie, however, it would be best to give it a miss for the time being.

[QUOTE=Hilo77;2477090]You are correct the commercial venues, everything from the big meat markets in Kota to the spas remain shut (although a good friend recently pointed me to an operation by one of the major massage spa chains run out of hotel rooms)...[/QUOTE]Big thanks hilo! That is just the info I needed.

[QUOTE=DzikaBomba;2474738]Open for foreigners means open for Chinese and Koreans or open for everyone?

These are very important details.[/QUOTE]Open for every one my brother.

[QUOTE=Hilo77;2477090]The whole Lokasari area is best avoided for the time being as one particularly stupid French fuckwit screwed that pooch over during the pandemic and it's not a safe .[/QUOTE]Curious as to what happened?

[QUOTE=Blacka0;2474443]I have good news brothers Indonesia will be open voor foreigners from 01-10-2020 I have this information from reliable source.[/QUOTE]You were wrong.

[URL]https://www.traveloffpath.com/bali-will-not-open-for-international-tourism-until-end-of-2020/[/URL]

[URL]https://thebalisun.com/governor-bali-will-be-closed-to-foreign-tourists-until-end-of-2020/[/URL]

No tourists allowed in Bali til the end of 2020 at the earliest to be in line with the government.

[QUOTE=Hilo77;2474871]If she wanted stains she should have wrapped her face in your bed sheets. When I was a lad my mother got fed up washing my sheets, she just waited a week or two, took them out to the back yard and cracked them into little pieces and dumped them.

On the ass cleaning front, if there is one benefit from the great COVID-19 toilet paper panic-buying crisis it must surely be that people outside Asia finally consider the benefits of bum guns, if they do so western civilisation might make a small but progressive step forward.[/QUOTE]So true, OS remembers his early mongering days before he embraced the delights of Asian girls and can still remember a couple where the fumes were literally shimmering as they rose up from below, like a bucket of petrol.

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2477830]So true, OS remembers his early mongering days before he embraced the delights of Asian girls and can still remember a couple where the fumes were literally shimmering as they rose up from below, like a bucket of petrol.[/QUOTE]An anecdote about cleaning. At that time I was outside Kota Agung, South Sumatra. Literally in the middle of nowhere, there was this "house", all very basic. I fucked a doable one and afterwards we went to the back of the house to clean ourselves at a dug well. She handed me a tube of toothpaste and I said, I didn't bring a toothbrush. She smiled and said to clean my dick with the toothpaste, as it will kill the germs!

[QUOTE=Muzungufotsy;2477620]You were wrong.

[URL]https://www.traveloffpath.com/bali-will-not-open-for-international-tourism-until-end-of-2020/[/URL][/QUOTE]My brothers I'm talking access to Indonesia not Bali that is a different island.

We must be happy that we can land in Jakarta soekarno hatta.

[QUOTE=Blacka0;2477965]My brothers I'm talking access to Indonesia not Bali that is a different island.

We must be happy that we can land in Jakarta soekarno hatta.[/QUOTE]Bali is part of Indonesia dude.

What don't you understand in this sentence?

"The Indonesian government will not allow for the entry of foreign tourists to Indonesia until the end of 2020, because Indonesia is still in the red zone category."

[QUOTE=JKTbanger;2477555]Curious as to what happened?[/QUOTE]Easy to find out just google search. Too bad that was one of the spots I liked. Not sure about all the massage joints in that area. Should have just checked one out while I stayed in the area but mostly stuck with the places commented on by others in this and other forums.

[QUOTE=Blacka0;2477965]My brothers I'm talking access to Indonesia not Bali that is a different island.

We must be happy that we can land in Jakarta soekarno hatta.[/QUOTE]If you read the whole article "Bali will delay its reopening until 2021 in line with the Government of Indonesia" - which is in line with what I have been told by my regular in Jakarta. No access to Indonesia untill January, earliest.

[QUOTE=IrishMongrel;2478183]If you read the whole article "Bali will delay its reopening until 2021 in line with the Government of Indonesia" - which is in line with what I have been told by my regular in Jakarta. No access to Indonesia untill January, earliest.[/QUOTE]Brother you've got the wrong info.

Indonesia will open her borders 1-10-2020 and you will have the covid swab test in order to enter Indonesia.

You can go to bali from Jakarta that's no problem, my friend who is right now in Jakarta traveled yesterday from bali to Jakarta with air asia and european passport no problem because its domestic flight.

From Berlin to bali is a no go but from Jakarta to bali is NO problem my brothers.

Bali is very empty at the moment, hotels are empty most bars are closed.

[QUOTE=Blacka0;2479201]Brother you've got the wrong info.

Indonesia will open her borders 1-10-2020 and you will have the covid swab test in order to enter Indonesia.

You can go to bali from Jakarta that's no problem, my friend who is right now in Jakarta traveled yesterday from bali to Jakarta with air asia and european passport no problem because its domestic flight.

From Berlin to bali is a no go but from Jakarta to bali is NO problem my brothers.

Bali is very empty at the moment, hotels are empty most bars are closed.[/QUOTE]Need a negative rapid test or antigen test prior to domestic travel. No quarantine for domestic travel.

[QUOTE=Blacka0;2479201]Brother you've got the wrong info.

Indonesia will open her borders 1-10-2020 and you will have the covid swab test in order to enter Indonesia.

You can go to bali from Jakarta that's no problem, my friend who is right now in Jakarta traveled yesterday from bali to Jakarta with air asia and european passport no problem because its domestic flight.

From Berlin to bali is a no go but from Jakarta to bali is NO problem my brothers.

Bali is very empty at the moment, hotels are empty most bars are closed.[/QUOTE]Bali and Jakarta are the same country. When I'm talking about borders I'm talking international arrivals and that is out untill at least the end of the year. Off course, if you live in Australia, borders are internal as well and you aint crossing thoughs.

[QUOTE=JKTbanger;2476852]Went through Blok M on the way home last night just to see if anything was open, and to my surprise there was! The Tavern is now open, and had a reasonable crowd in there last night. At the moment it's the only place that's open on the street, but according to the staff the other bars are planning to open up beginning of next month.

They also mentioned that Dees permanently closed, was picked up by a new owner, doing some cleanup, and will be reopening next month as well. Hopefully all the other spots are close behind.[/QUOTE]That's good news about the Blok M places opening, hopefully the gov't will allow travel to Jakarta by Christmas. Been holidaying in Jakarta Christmas / NYE for many years. I hope I don't have to miss this year.

As well I hope my usual "friends" are still around in Blok M.

Hi friends, Heard lock down in Jakarta from last Monday,14th, onwards. Partial lock down with work from home.

According to Pos Kota, which follows the Indonesian demimonde in loving detail, agents from the National Narcotics Agency have busted one of those discos along Jl. Daan Mogot, just past Ciputraworld, for running an underground, sleazy drug-fueled den of barely disguised prostitution and karaoke.

Those Daan Mogot places were a lot of fun, as I have argued in my previous posts. Off the grid, but, as always, welcoming to befuddled bules with smiles who could speak Bahasa, drunkenly. Pro tip: Pos Kota says to enter through the alleys behind the disco. Google Translate the article below, for those illiterate in Indonesian.

[URL]https://poskota.co.id/2020/9/8/hasil-investigasi-bnn-diskotek-di-daan-mogot-beroperasi-dan-edarkan-ekstasi[/URL]

They got their drugs from "seorang pria berkulit putih. " (a man with white skin.). It was not me. I am very tan after months of cycling during PSBB!

[QUOTE=OmBule;2485264]According to Pos Kota, which follows the Indonesian demimonde in loving detail, agents from the National Narcotics Agency have busted one of those discos along Jl. Daan Mogot, just past Ciputraworld, for running an underground, sleazy drug-fueled den of barely disguised prostitution and karaoke.

Those Daan Mogot places were a lot of fun, as I have argued in my previous posts. Off the grid, but, as always, welcoming to befuddled bules with smiles who could speak Bahasa, drunkenly. Pro tip: Pos Kota says to enter through the alleys behind the disco. Google Translate the article below, for those illiterate in Indonesian.

[URL]https://poskota.co.id/2020/9/8/hasil-investigasi-bnn-diskotek-di-daan-mogot-beroperasi-dan-edarkan-ekstasi[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gern;2486672]They got their drugs from "seorang pria berkulit putih. " (a man with white skin.). It was not me. I am very tan after months of cycling during PSBB![/QUOTE]Where did you cycle?

[QUOTE=Gern;2486672]They got their drugs from "seorang pria berkulit putih. " (a man with white skin.). It was not me. I am very tan after months of cycling during PSBB![/QUOTE]More power to Jakarta cyclists. OS just marvels at the way they calmly move through the madness on those old clunker bikes, Although Mr Gern may be operating on a more streamlined model, OS also wishes more power to him.

It is a local brand, OS, but it has been upgraded to acceptable specifications, and it takes me comfortably to the many hideaways that are still available for the savvy cyclist. Not as effective as OS's iron horse, but still very suitable for Saturday morning excursions! And with 1000% more cyclists than before Covid, there are many interesting riders on the highways and byways to make the scenery interesting.

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2488453]More power to Jakarta cyclists. OS just marvels at the way they calmly move through the madness on those old clunker bikes, Although Mr Gern may be operating on a more streamlined model, OS also wishes more power to him.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gern;2490361]It is a local brand, OS, but it has been upgraded to acceptable specifications, and it takes me comfortably to the many hideaways that are still available for the savvy cyclist. Not as effective as OS's iron horse, but still very suitable for Saturday morning excursions! And with 1000% more cyclists than before Covid, there are many interesting riders on the highways and byways to make the scenery interesting.[/QUOTE]Sunday mornings in the past few months have seen a goodly number of pert spandex and lycra clad forms with their butts wagging in the air as they negotiate the highways and bye-ways of South Jakarta, one of the very few benefits of the lockdown. The temptation to reach out and give them a squeeze must be resisted at all times.

So true, Hilo77. So true. I typically ride with Ibu Gern on Sunday mornings, and I try to keep her in front of me so she cannot see my head waggling from side to side when we ride through some of the loops in Bintaro, BSD, PIK or TangSel. I must give some of the new riders credit, though. They are working hard to stay healthy!

[QUOTE=Hilo77;2491375]Sunday mornings in the past few months have seen a goodly number of pert spandex and lycra clad forms with their butts wagging in the air as they negotiate the highways and bye-ways of South Jakarta, one of the very few benefits of the lockdown. The temptation to reach out and give them a squeeze must be resisted at all times.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bkk212;2480701]That's good news about the Blok M places opening, hopefully the gov't will allow travel to Jakarta by Christmas. Been holidaying in Jakarta Christmas / NYE for many years. I hope I don't have to miss this year.

As well I hope my usual "friends" are still around in Blok M.[/QUOTE]There's at least 3 places open that are drawing a reasonable crowd from what I saw last Saturday. Tavern Bar had a pretty good crowd with live music. MyBar was remodeled and rebranded as MB Lounge, and Dee's Place was remodeled and rebranded as Ann's place (back room is still closed). Both have fewer customers than pre-covid, but have really been cleaned up and look a lot better. There were also some locals hanging out in front of Obama bar and another one a bit down the street, but I didn't bother to peek my head in.

Ended up out for a walk and found a little alley with lots of little bars and "massage" shops (with bars) that seemed pretty open for business. That is if your stomach can handle that level of sleaze.

Luckily mine can.

The alleys are in the north along the side of the old Stadium near the Antoni Hotel:

Jalan Hayam Wuruk No. 111 F-G, RT. 10/ RW. 9, Maphar, Tamansari, RT. 10/ RW. 9, Maphar, Kec. Taman Sari, Kota Jakarta Barat, Daerah Khusus Ibukota Jakarta 11160, Indonesia.

[URL]https://goo.gl/maps/PzvTQghTy7AD212z5[/URL]

Apologies if I'm mentioning something that everyone here is already aware of, but as a newcomer it seemed to be an interesting find during a time when all of the fun seems pretty shut down.

[QUOTE=JKTbanger;2509024]Ended up out for a walk and found a little alley with lots of little bars and "massage" shops (with bars) that seemed pretty open for business.
The alleys are in the north along the side of the old Stadium near the Antoni Hotel:

Jalan Hayam Wuruk No. 111 F-G, RT. 10/ RW. 9, Maphar, Tamansari, RT. 10/ RW. 9, Maphar, Kec. Taman Sari, Kota Jakarta Barat, Daerah Khusus Ibukota Jakarta 11160, Indonesia.

[URL]https://goo.gl/maps/PzvTQghTy7AD212z5[/URL]

Apologies if I'm mentioning something that everyone here is already aware of, but as a newcomer it seemed to be an interesting find during a time when all of the fun seems pretty shut down.[/QUOTE]I believe you are talking about the small side street with Berlian Massage and Kartika Massage. These are 2 well known, if these are the ones you are reporting on. No apologies necessary. I am glad you had a good time and that these joints are still open. Thanks for the report.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2509180]I believe you are talking about the small side street with Berlian Massage and Kartika Massage. These are 2 well known, if these are the ones you are reporting on. No apologies necessary. I am glad you had a good time and that these joints are still open. Thanks for the report.[/QUOTE]This is the same street, looks like I was off by one on the map. In addition to Berlian Massage, which is at the end of the alley, there are a lot of bars with rooms upstairs on both sides of the street. Pretty sleazy, and if you're not shy I doubt you even need to take them upstairs, but made for a fun couple hours pretty late at night.

Curious if anyone with more experience than myself has any updates on other places open for business? Anything in South Jakarta that comes to mind?

Just wondering from those in Jakarta how Covid has affected rates. Most likely on Tinder dates since bars are closed.

Have they dropped down from 1. 5 million. Which is what I was mostly quoted last November?

Cheers, Traveler.

[QUOTE=JKTbanger;2509024]Ended up out for a walk and found a little alley with lots of little bars and "massage" shops (with bars) that seemed pretty open for business. That is if your stomach can handle that level of sleaze.[/QUOTE]Ah, come on.! Those places aren't THAT bad. More like low-mid-level, by Jakarta standards. You should see some of the REAL low end joints! But thanks for your report. I was wondering if those places were open again yet.

[QUOTE=SeaTraveler;2511713]Just wondering from those in Jakarta how Covid has affected rates. Most likely on Tinder dates since bars are closed.

Have they dropped down from 1. 5 million. Which is what I was mostly quoted last November?

Cheers, Traveler.[/QUOTE]There are those asking for 1.5 million, but I've been pushing a maximum of 1 million and haven't had any issues. I have had a bit of an issue with fake pictures and the girl who shows up not being the same as the one I had a quick video call with. Lots of scams on Tinder, but can definitely find what you're looking for at a million.

[QUOTE=GonzoTwo;2511883]Ah, come on.! Those places aren't THAT bad. More like low-mid-level, by Jakarta standards. You should see some of the REAL low end joints! But thanks for your report. I was wondering if those places were open again yet.[/QUOTE]I'd love to see some of the real low end places! Please do tell! Are any open?

[QUOTE=GonzoTwo;2511883]You should see some of the REAL low end joints![/QUOTE]Where would these low end places be? North Jakarta?

Just wanted to give a heads up that two of the massage shops on the Japanese side of Blok M are open for shagging with around a dozen girls each.

Metropolis massage.

Jl. Melawai 9 No. 10, RT. 3/ RW. 1, Melawai, Kec. Kby. Baru, Kota Jakarta Selatan, Daerah Khusus Ibukota Jakarta 12160, Indonesia.

[URL]https://goo.gl/maps/5L98nL5YPi7mHFh56[/URL]

And Aquarius Massage.

Jl. Melawai 9 No. 10, RT. 3/ RW. 1, Melawai, Kec. Kby. Baru, Kota Jakarta Selatan, Daerah Khusus Ibukota Jakarta 12160, Indonesia.

[URL]https://goo.gl/maps/NSQqwsKQoYFmSCeFA[/URL]

480,000 IDR all included.

[QUOTE=Stykler;2512193]Where would these low end places be? North Jakarta?[/QUOTE]Where I sometimes went to and what I've considered low end, was near Station Tanahabang. Some rundown houses parallel to the railway tracks and this smelly river or channel or whatever it is.

[QUOTE=Ekspat;2513255]Where I sometimes went to and what I've considered low end, was near Station Tanahabang. Some rundown houses parallel to the railway tracks and this smelly river or channel or whatever it is.[/QUOTE]Yes, low end. Authorities have tried to control it a number of times and Yokowi had it bulldozed at least once since then. Not sure what the status is these days. It may still be going. Not a safe area to go, please note. But perhaps for those with a desire to calibrate the meaning of "sleaze", there used to be streethookers in front of Tanah Abang station as well. Approximate level. It saves from walking through the dirt and dealing with semi preman. Expect 250 k.

[URL]https://megapolitan.kompas.com/read/2014/08/28/21102361/Bongkaran.Ditertibkan.PSK.di.Tanah.Abang.Mangkal.Siang.Hari.[/URL]

[QUOTE=JKTbanger;2506989]There's at least 3 places open that are drawing a reasonable crowd from what I saw last Saturday. Tavern Bar had a pretty good crowd with live music. MyBar was remodeled and rebranded as MB Lounge, and Dee's Place was remodeled and rebranded as Ann's place (back room is still closed). Both have fewer customers than pre-covid, but have really been cleaned up and look a lot better. There were also some locals hanging out in front of Obama bar and another one a bit down the street, but I didn't bother to peek my head in.[/QUOTE]Thanks. I hope the bars in blok M can remain economically viable. Jakarta wouldn't be the same without them.

[QUOTE=Ekspat;2513255]Where I sometimes went to and what I've considered low end, was near Station Tanahabang. Some rundown houses parallel to the railway tracks and this smelly river or channel or whatever it is.[/QUOTE]Do you know the location well enough to post a link to a pin on google maps?

I tried to find this place / area when I first got to Jakarta, before covid hit, but it was either closed or I wasn't looking in the right place.

When was the last time anyone was there? I'm happy to go scout it out.

The Falatehan bars are open, just about, but they are certainly quiet with little or no action. They are hit and miss though, some nights they will stay open late, speakeasy-like, with all the exterior lights off and a "closed" sign on the door, the next night they will genuinely be closed at 8 pm, there doesn't appear to be any consistency, seems it depends which Satpol PP officer is on duty that night. There are other bars open in South Jakarta but no action that I can see.

As regards Tinder prices there are two types, the genuine girl working her own account and, more often, a mami using a fake profile and sending out whatever girls she has to hand when you agree to a meeting. The former are often genuinely hard up and will agree to an afternoon hookup for as little as 600 k, they are amateurs and can make for quite a nice date. Conversely the mamis start the bidding at 1. 5 jt, if you counter offer, say 800 k, there will be a delay while she presumably phones around asking if any of her girls are interested, if one agrees you're in luck. But of course there will be a two-hour delay as she gets ready and travels across town to wherever you are, and it's unlikely the girl who arrives will bear any resemblance to the girl in the profile.

But Tinder is pretty much the only scene there is just now, and being Jakarta there are still plenty of simple good old-fashioned bored girls stuck in a dead-end job living in a crappy kos-kosan, who just want to be spoiled for the night and are happy to make out with some decent guy who treats them nicely.

[QUOTE=JKTbanger;2513597]Do you know the location well enough to post a link to a pin on google maps?

I tried to find this place / area when I first got to Jakarta, before covid hit, but it was either closed or I wasn't looking in the right place.

When was the last time anyone was there? I'm happy to go scout it out.[/QUOTE]Here's a google maps link to the entrance- no idea if there's any activity there now.

https://goo.gl/maps/8ZtdPiBRm9z

[QUOTE=FriendlyPlanet;2516265]Here's a google maps link to the entrance- no idea if there's any activity there now.

https://goo.gl/maps/8ZtdPiBRm9z[/QUOTE]One would assume it's not for the faint of heart?

[QUOTE=Stykler;2516302]One would assume it's not for the faint of heart?[/QUOTE]There's info about it online as recently as 27/12. Upstairs permanently closed and boarded up. Girls moved downstairs to "Royal Below", and the standard of an already seriously downmarket place even further down. Aggressive mamis. And a warning to even other locals to be careful there. This punter would take the Priok bars or "Rambo", as they are known over that dump any day. If you drive straight North from that location into Penjaringan and Muara Baru fishing port, you will pretty quickly understand why it’s a dump

Hope that helps.

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2517294]Hope that helps.[/QUOTE]Thanks OS, it does help. After reading your description it's probably not for me. I'm not that brave.

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[QUOTE=JKTbanger;2506989]There's at least 3 places open that are drawing a reasonable crowd from what I saw last Saturday. Tavern Bar had a pretty good crowd with live music. MyBar was remodeled and rebranded as MB Lounge, and Dee's Place was remodeled and rebranded as Ann's place (back room is still closed). Both have fewer customers than pre-covid, but have really been cleaned up and look a lot better. There were also some locals hanging out in front of Obama bar and another one a bit down the street, but I didn't bother to peek my head in.[/QUOTE]I never did make it to Jakarta this year first time I missed being there in 20 yrs, due to Covid. I really hope that the virus is under control by May so that I can plan a return in the summer.

I also hope that Blok M is still around when I return.

Stay safe from the virus in Jakarta.

Are places open such as malls, restaurants, do people wear masks in public?

[QUOTE=Ekspat;2513255]Where I sometimes went to and what I've considered low end, was near Station Tanahabang. Some rundown houses parallel to the railway tracks and this smelly river or channel or whatever it is.[/QUOTE]I have heard of this place from several people but it's difficult to find, perhaps I will use a guide next time I am in Jakarta.

Not sure what is low-end prices though?

[QUOTE=Bkk212;2522309]I never did make it to Jakarta this year first time I missed being there in 20 yrs, due to Covid. I really hope that the virus is under control by May so that I can plan a return in the summer.

I also hope that Blok M is still around when I return.

Stay safe from the virus in Jakarta.

Are places open such as malls, restaurants, do people wear masks in public?[/QUOTE]Yes malls and restaurants are open. For these 2 weeks though only until 7 pm but the hours have been normal for a while now. Everyone wears masks and in Jakarta you even need to wear them in your car even if you're by yourself.

[QUOTE=Bkk212;2522311]Not sure what is low-end prices though?[/QUOTE]Around 100 k IDR. For the room 20 k, 1 towel 10 k, 1 condom 10 k, for the girl 50 k. Half an hour, one pop. Fair enough.

[QUOTE=FriendlyPlanet;2516265]

https://goo.gl/maps/8ZtdPiBRm9z[/QUOTE]Sorry, don't really know how this works. I put this into google search and it comes back to this post.

Went to Google maps and put this in and comes back invalid.

Perhaps someone can PM me and explain how to use this find the location.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Ekspat;2522762]Around 100 k IDR. For the room 20 k, 1 towel 10 k, 1 condom 10 k, for the girl 50 k. Half an hour, one pop. Fair enough.[/QUOTE]That was about the price for Kalijodo RLD before it was demolished by the Govt with bulldozers few years back. Except I don't remember having to pay extra for room, towels (as none was provided- few tissues was handed for clean up), condoms was charged if you didn't bring any. The pimp gave a price and it was all inclusive from what I remember.

Funny, I was never a big fan of Kalijodo but I miss it now that its gone and wish I had visited more when it was still there. Cheap and a lot of variety.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=Sharka;2526021]Sorry, don't really know how this works. I put this into google search and it comes back to this post.
Went to Google maps and put this in and comes back invalid.
[/QUOTE]You just have to select the link, right click, open a new tab or window. Work fine for me.

The link will direct you to the attached google street view image, address Jl. Rw. Bebek Selatan. I think you can find more info in this thread if you search for "Tugu Pekojan"or "Pekojan monument".

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2526061] "Tugu Pekojan"or "Pekojan monument".[/QUOTE]Naah, that's too far in the north. What I was talking about is in this maps, same location, different scale. And don't expect shaved pussy there, hehe. Hope it helps a little bit.

[QUOTE=Ekspat;2526078]Naah, that's too far in the north.[/QUOTE]Huh? I Just answered to Sharka about the link posted by FriendlyPlanet. Different places.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2526113]answered to Sharka about the link posted by FriendlyPlanet. Different places.[/QUOTE]Ooops, sorry, my bad then.

[QUOTE=Ekspat;2526360]Ooops, sorry, my bad then.[/QUOTE]No problem, thanks for your maps on your previous post.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2526061]You just have to select the link, right click, open a new tab or window. Work fine for me.

The link will direct you to the attached google street view image, address Jl. Rw. Bebek Selatan. I think you can find more info in this thread if you search for "Tugu Pekojan"or "Pekojan monument".[/QUOTE]Thanks, I'll try a search for those.

[QUOTE=Ekspat;2526078]Naah, that's too far in the north. What I was talking about is in this maps, same location, different scale. And don't expect shaved pussy there, hehe. Hope it helps a little bit.[/QUOTE]I've been there twice last time in Jakarta. Area is close to the train station. I thought I would just scout around for a quick recon. But I think all action was all gone. Nothing to indicate any action in this area. Dead except for a few shops and people walking about. I went at about 5-6 pm as it was getting dark. Didn't feel real safe there as I don't know the place well so I left. Could be action starts later at night but I didn't hang around to find out. Or perhaps this area has action now that Kalijodo is gone. Don't know for sure, anyone with recent recon can fill in with a quick report.
Note, the last time I was in Jakarta was about 3.5yrs ago so things might be very different now.

Closed in May due to underage girls.

Gradual covert reopening a few months later.

Officially closed and pulled down in Dec 2020 [URL]https://megapolitan.kompas.com/read/2020/12/10/11401011/bongkar-bangunan-liar-di-area-lokalisasi-gang-royal-satpol-pp-sita?page=all[/URL].

[QUOTE=ChristianG;2526061]You just have to select the link, right click, open a new tab or window. Work fine for me.

The link will direct you to the attached google street view image, address Jl. Rw. Bebek Selatan. I think you can find more info in this thread if you search for "Tugu Pekojan"or "Pekojan monument".[/QUOTE]

And south of that area, on the bridge called Ks. Tubun, at the bottom of Ekspats drawing.

On the bridge you will find many street walkers, sitting on bikes or stools. Most nights of the week (I often have to travel that way with work).

[QUOTE=Ekspat;2526078]Naah, that's too far in the north. What I was talking about is in this maps, same location, different scale. And don't expect shaved pussy there, hehe. Hope it helps a little bit.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ekspat;2526078]Naah, that's too far in the north. What I was talking about is in this maps, same location, different scale. And don't expect shaved pussy there, hehe. Hope it helps a little bit.[/QUOTE]That's without doubt the cleanest mattress I have ever seen there..haha. That must have been a while ago? Like 2005?

Because the original report mentioned the river, I actually thought you went behind the train tracks. Jl Tenaga Listrik, on the other side of Tanah Abang station. That was really hardcore. Right on the bank on the Ciliwung river.

[QUOTE=Sharka;2526023]Funny, I was never a big fan of Kalijodo but I miss it now that its gone and wish I had visited more when it was still there. Cheap and a lot of variety.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Yes, exactly... one of the big treats of Kalijodo in the past, single mummies. Not hardened hookers, but just freelancing girls looking to make ends meet. They would ask a ridiculous low price, like 150 k. Tip them another 100 k, that was really good. But since its closure that's gone. Many of the girls went to gang Royal, but that's now gone too.

Hi guys, I'm a Jakarta newbie, have been searching on Google maps for massage spas but many of them are shut down.

Looking for a massage with happy ending. Can't order outcall because I'm with my gf (she's on her period).

Is my best bet to go to a hotel spa, since they're less likely to be shut down?

Do all hotel spas offer happy ending, or should I target 2-3 star hotels, or 4-5 star hotels?

I am located in the Central Park (Grogol) area, if that helps.

Thanks in advance for any helpful advice.

[QUOTE=TommySuharto;2527593]Yes, exactly... one of the big treats of Kalijodo in the past, single mummies. Not hardened hookers, but just freelancing girls looking to make ends meet. They would ask a ridiculous low price, like 150 k. Tip them another 100 k, that was really good. But since its closure that's gone. Many of the girls went to gang Royal, but that's now gone too.[/QUOTE]So, just wondering where did all the girls relocate to? Kalijodo closed and they went to gang Royal and now that's gone too. Did the girls all end up somewhere else?

To contribute a bit of what I've found, the be'Fashiom hotel near Taman Anggrek has closed its spa due to Covid (they told me). Not sure about the rest of their activities, I think they have striptease and other stuff.

Also tried the Aston Kartika hotel which claims to have a spa, but could not find one when I went there.

[QUOTE=Mrdurden;2527643]Hi guys, I'm a Jakarta newbie, have been searching on Google maps for massage spas but many of them are shut down.

Looking for a massage with happy ending. Can't order outcall because I'm with my gf (she's on her period).

Is my best bet to go to a hotel spa, since they're less likely to be shut down?

Do all hotel spas offer happy ending, or should I target 2-3 star hotels, or 4-5 star hotels?

I am located in the Central Park (Grogol) area, if that helps.

Thanks in advance for any helpful advice.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mrdurden;2527643]Hi guys, I'm a Jakarta newbie, have been searching on Google maps for massage spas but many of them are shut down.

Looking for a massage with happy ending. Can't order outcall because I'm with my gf (she's on her period).

Is my best bet to go to a hotel spa, since they're less likely to be shut down?

Do all hotel spas offer happy ending, or should I target 2-3 star hotels, or 4-5 star hotels?

I am located in the Central Park (Grogol) area, if that helps.

Thanks in advance for any helpful advice.[/QUOTE]Just jump in any taxi and ask:

Pijat=massage.

Pijat plus plus=happy ending.

Look for signs for Pijat or Rumah Kebugaran.

Any hairdresser salon with blacked out windows will struggle to find a set of scissors.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2527733]Just jump in any taxi and ask:

Pijat=massage.

Pijat plus plus=happy ending.

Look for signs for Pijat or Rumah Kebugaran.

Any hairdresser salon with blacked out windows will struggle to find a set of scissors.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]Thanks, yes actually that's how I found the places on Google maps, by searching for pijat and "plus plus" or pijat and "plus2". I figured that out somehow already.

But they all seem to be closed down.

Didn't know about "Rumah Kebugaran" though!

[QUOTE=Sharka;2527688]So, just wondering where did all the girls relocate to? Kalijodo closed and they went to gang Royal and now that's gone too. Did the girls all end up somewhere else?[/QUOTE]Maybe someone here will know? Train track locations, like TanahAbang, are too grimy to be really fun. The best places for freelancing girl pickups (better quality street prostitution) used to be Plaza Atrium, Kalijodo and to some extend the busstation at Blok M / Jl Melewai Raya. But those locations have either deteriorated or shutdown.

Media talk about Tangerang and there are some places in Bekasi and up North. Offshore Swell mentions the Priok bars, which sounds interesting. But practically, if you were to stay in Central or South Jakarta (like I do) venturing out there will turn into a daytrip.

I think the whole mall scene died off years ago. Atrium used to be pretty good, as was PI, but I get the feeling that apps and a growing economy killed that all off sometime in the mid 2010's. Someone here back in the day also posted about Arion Mall near the Velodrome in East Jakarta, but on the few occasions I have been over there, there was nothing remarkable going on. I would have thought that Lokasari area in Mangga Besar would be ground zero for street walking, but I have been out of the game for quite some time. Still, I am willing to bet that anyone with decent Indonesian and some charm could probably pull a shag out of a mall in the satellite cities, Bekasi, Depok, Tangerang or Bogor.

[QUOTE=TommySuharto;2527870]Maybe someone here will know? Train track locations, like TanahAbang, are too grimy to be really fun. The best places for freelancing girl pickups (better quality street prostitution) used to be Plaza Atrium, Kalijodo and to some extend the busstation at Blok M / Jl Melewai Raya. But those locations have either deteriorated or shutdown.

Media talk about Tangerang and there are some places in Bekasi and up North. Offshore Swell mentions the Priok bars, which sounds interesting. But practically, if you were to stay in Central or South Jakarta (like I do) venturing out there will turn into a daytrip.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PossessedSeoul;2527932]I think the whole mall scene died off years ago. Atrium used to be pretty good, as was PI, but I get the feeling that apps and a growing economy killed that all off sometime in the mid 2010's. Someone here back in the day also posted about Arion Mall near the Velodrome in East Jakarta, but on the few occasions I have been over there, there was nothing remarkable going on. I would have thought that Lokasari area in Mangga Besar would be ground zero for street walking, but I have been out of the game for quite some time. Still, I am willing to bet that anyone with decent Indonesian and some charm could probably pull a shag out of a mall in the satellite cities, Bekasi, Depok, Tangerang or Bogor.[/QUOTE]I first went to Atrium in 2004, also Blok M Plaza, which was also often mentioned, and whatever mall scene there was had already pretty much dried up by then. Lokasari was still very much in business but for all the wrong reasons, we discussed the French guy recently, it's best that rather obvious foreigners avoid that location for a while yet.

Let's face it, as this forum shows everything is stone dead right now, massage joints, clubs, bars, malls, railway tracks, everything is shut up tight. The only scene is Tinder, and let's face it, it's all you need, just sit at home, do your swiping and chatting from the safety of your couch, when you have made sufficient definite contacts to make it worth your while to venture out, book the hotel room and go for it.

I am a bit late on technological uptake, but have also noticed Twitter has a thriving scene with providers usually asking for a DP through bank transfer. Has anyone tried this system?

[QUOTE=Hilo77;2528579]I first went to Atrium in 2004, also Blok M Plaza, which was also often mentioned, and whatever mall scene there was had already pretty much dried up by then. Lokasari was still very much in business but for all the wrong reasons, we discussed the French guy recently, it's best that rather obvious foreigners avoid that location for a while yet.

Let's face it, as this forum shows everything is stone dead right now, massage joints, clubs, bars, malls, railway tracks, everything is shut up tight. The only scene is Tinder, and let's face it, it's all you need, just sit at home, do your swiping and chatting from the safety of your couch, when you have made sufficient definite contacts to make it worth your while to venture out, book the hotel room and go for it.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PossessedSeoul;2528788]I am a bit late on technological uptake, but have also noticed Twitter has a thriving scene with providers usually asking for a DP through bank transfer. Has anyone tried this system?[/QUOTE]Twitter has been very active in Indo for years. The DP (deposit not double penetration) is normally payable to stop the broke time wasters harrassing the girls. If you can prove you are in country (speak Bahasa, hotel room key photos etc) it would be rare for a bule to be held to one.

It's surprisingly dependable.

Have fun. G.

P.S. Have fun disappearing down the rabbit hole of hashtags and abbreviations they have created over the years. 😁.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2528794]Twitter has been very active in Indo for years. The DP (deposit not double penetration) is normally payable to stop the broke time wasters harrassing the girls. If you can prove you are in country (speak Bahasa, hotel room key photos etc) it would be rare for a bule to be held to one.

It's surprisingly dependable.

Have fun. G.

P.S. Have fun disappearing down the rabbit hole of hashtags and abbreviations they have created over the years. 😁.[/QUOTE]I forgot to add: noDP is a popular sub tag in itself.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2528797]I forgot to add: noDP is a popular sub tag in itself.[/QUOTE]So glad you clarified what DP meant as I was ready to go for some much needed DP action. But just to be sure, DP =deposit and deposit doesn't mean cream pie right. Haha.

Cheers.

[QUOTE=PossessedSeoul;2527932]Lokasari area in Mangga Besar would be ground zero for street walking, .[/QUOTE]When I use to visit Jakarta, (about 2-3 yrs ago) I stayed in Hotels in the Manga Besar area. And the SW in this area were not that plentiful. Maybe see less than 10 of them at most from my many walks there. And the quality of those SW were not the best. Guess that made sense as most of the nicer ones would be working at places like Travels hotel or other big hotel brothels.

Lokasari was not dead but not a prime hunting area for picking up.

[QUOTE=Sharka;2528875]So glad you clarified what DP meant as I was ready to go for some much needed DP action. But just to be sure, DP =deposit and deposit doesn't mean cream pie right. Haha.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]Hahahah. Yes, DP is a common term for deposit throughout non mongering Indonesia too.

Buy a motorbike and you will pay a 500 k DP.

For some fun check #nodp, #COD, #Cash, #Include, #Bispak, #Bugil, #Open, #BO etc. Easy to disappear for hours along the various terms and abbreviations. Obviously some Bahasa helps but it's easy to follow.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2528889]Hahahah. Yes, DP is a common term for deposit throughout non mongering Indonesia too.[/QUOTE]Isn't it downpayment?

I miss the old Craigslist personals too, plenty of paid action there as well as a few ladies who would give it up for free.

I think someone did it a while back, so if punters here are willing to RTFF, there's a key to the twitter jargon used.

There seems to be quite a few plying their trade in hotels around Tebet as well as the Tendean area. Plenty of reasonably-priced hotels in both areas these days, so an adventurous type could do a lot worse.

Anyone know of any other sosmed or sites that serve the middle of the market?

[QUOTE=Goferring;2528794]Twitter has been very active in Indo for years. The DP (deposit not double penetration) is normally payable to stop the broke time wasters harrassing the girls. If you can prove you are in country (speak Bahasa, hotel room key photos etc) it would be rare for a bule to be held to one.

It's surprisingly dependable.

Have fun. G.

P.S. Have fun disappearing down the rabbit hole of hashtags and abbreviations they have created over the years. 😁.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ekspat;2528931]Isn't it downpayment?[/QUOTE]Could be. Where I'm from, they both mean the same thing: an initial part payment to secure your purchase and confirm intent to make the full purchase. Doesn't matter if it's pussy or a condo.

[QUOTE=PossessedSeoul;2528932]
I think someone did it a while back, so if punters here are willing to RTFF, there's a key to the twitter jargon used.

[/QUOTE]That may have been me??

The system is pretty simple: hastag_what_where eg. #cewejakarta.

The only complication is Indonesians' love for abbreviations and conjoined words:

#bispak (ai) is bisa pakai or ready to be used (for sex).

#jaksel is Jakarta Selatan or South Jakarta.

#ABG is Anak Baru Gede or a naughty young girl.

#BO is Booking Out.

#include / exclude relates to the hotel so is essentially in or outcall.

#wajibcap is compulsory condoms. #bebas is free or without.

Sometimes the individual hastags are used but many, many times they are combined eg #OpenBOJakSel.

Basic Bahasa is useful as many of these girls speak no English and a lot of the slang used won't be found in Google Translate.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Sharka;2528878]When I use to visit Jakarta, (about 2-3 yrs ago) I stayed in Hotels in the Manga Besar area. And the SW in this area were not that plentiful. Maybe see less than 10 of them at most from my many walks there. And the quality of those SW were not the best. Guess that made sense as most of the nicer ones would be working at places like Travels hotel or other big hotel brothels.

Lokasari was not dead but not a prime hunting area for picking up.[/QUOTE]I agree with this. Lokasari at night is a busy night life area with street vending food like crazy. Sure, a lot of times I'd see young cute girls eating at the vendors, but it's impossible to know if it's a good idea to interrupt their meal to say "Hey after your meal break, can we go do the nasty and I pay you for it?" I'm just kidding here, but for sure it's hard to even go to a girl who's on a meal break and ask her "how much?

Besides, most of the nice and not nice places are around the Lokasari anyways. And there's an outdoor mall / parking lot, the one with the KFC, that always has a bunch of mms hanging out there. But the working girls are really bottom of the barrel at that place. Just stick to the Classics, Travel, KI, etc.

These opinions and comments are completely based on pre-covid travel. No idea what it looks like in Jakarta now.

[QUOTE=Mrdurden;2527643]Hi guys, I'm a Jakarta newbie, have been searching on Google maps for massage spas but many of them are shut down.

Looking for a massage with happy ending. Can't order outcall because I'm with my gf (she's on her period).

Is my best bet to go to a hotel spa, since they're less likely to be shut down?

Do all hotel spas offer happy ending, or should I target 2-3 star hotels, or 4-5 star hotels?

I am located in the Central Park (Grogol) area, if that helps.

Thanks in advance for any helpful advice.[/QUOTE]In the western namebrand hotels, I haven't found success as far as he goes. The really nice ones would rather you not solicit their staff for he. The lesser ones will offer you one with a quiet smile, but the problem is that a he by a not so pretty chubby woman, they were asking for 1 million. (USD 70). No, that's not what I was thinking. Hard pass.

Be-Fashion's massage spa is specifically operated to do a combo massage and FS. But I don't know if it's open during covid.

Thanks, yes I tried be'Fashion and they told me the spa was closed.

I have found that it is still possible to order massage girls to your hotel. I am staying 2 weeks in the hotel alone now, so this has worked a couple of times. But it must be an outcall massage girl who comes to your room, as this hotel is no longer offering in-room massages (they previously advertised in-room massages from their own spa).

I also found that some of the massage places have changed their names from " massage / spa" to " cafe and resto", even though they still offer massages! .

[QUOTE=BenderOver;2529455]In the western namebrand hotels, I haven't found success as far as he goes. The really nice ones would rather you not solicit their staff for he. The lesser ones will offer you one with a quiet smile, but the problem is that a he by a not so pretty chubby woman, they were asking for 1 million. (USD 70). No, that's not what I was thinking. Hard pass.

Be-Fashion's massage spa is specifically operated to do a combo massage and FS. But I don't know if it's open during covid.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PossessedSeoul;2527932]I think the whole mall scene died off years ago. Atrium used to be pretty good, as was PI, but I get the feeling that apps and a growing economy killed that all off sometime in the mid 2010's. Someone here back in the day also posted about Arion Mall near the Velodrome in East Jakarta, but on the few occasions I have been over there, there was nothing remarkable going on. I would have thought that Lokasari area in Mangga Besar would be ground zero for street walking, but I have been out of the game for quite some time. Still, I am willing to bet that anyone with decent Indonesian and some charm could probably pull a shag out of a mall in the satellite cities, Bekasi, Depok, Tangerang or Bogor.[/QUOTE]I ever listened the legend of atrium and blok m mall. By the year 2012 I first went to Jakarta, all of these were already non-existent.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2529066]That may have been me??

The system is pretty simple: hastag_what_where eg. #cewejakarta.

The only complication is Indonesians' love for abbreviations and conjoined words:

#bispak (ai) is bisa pakai or ready to be used (for sex).

#jaksel is Jakarta Selatan or South Jakarta.

#ABG is Anak Baru Gede or a naughty young girl.

#BO is Booking Out.

#include / exclude relates to the hotel so is essentially in or outcall.

#wajibcap is compulsory condoms. #bebas is free or without.

Sometimes the individual hastags are used but many, many times they are combined eg #OpenBOJakSel.

Basic Bahasa is useful as many of these girls speak no English and a lot of the slang used won't be found in Google Translate.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]Good info for those without much indonesian knowledge. Nowadays twitter price still starting 1 juta? Sad that last time all the cheap options: travel, classic 300 k,350 k,450 k,500 k all gone. Not sure now the pimps on twitter are still using fake pictures or not.

[QUOTE=SmallBird;2531956]Good info for those without much indonesian knowledge. Nowadays twitter price still starting 1 juta? Sad that last time all the cheap options: travel, classic 300 k,350 k,450 k,500 k all gone. Not sure now the pimps on twitter are still using fake pictures or not.[/QUOTE]And maybe CJ's and BATS will bite the dust as well sadly.

[QUOTE=SmallBird;2531954]I ever listened the legend of atrium and blok m mall. By the year 2012 I first went to Jakarta, all of these were already non-existent.[/QUOTE]You are correct for straight up hookers and street walkers strolling for John's.

However, a smile and small talk can still easily lead to a phone number, coffee and potentially more. Guys just need to put more thought and effort into the conversation than "BJ for $50?

Yes, language skills help but many girls also enjoy "practicing their English".

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2533228]...Yes, language skills help but many girls also enjoy "practicing their English"...[/QUOTE]Actually Chinese girls were famous for wanting to practice their English. I used to get some freebies in Chang Ping because of that before the 2014 lockdown.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2529066]That may have been me??

The system is pretty simple: hastag_what_where eg. #cewejakarta.

The only complication is Indonesians' love for abbreviations and conjoined words:

#bispak (ai) is bisa pakai or ready to be used (for sex).

#jaksel is Jakarta Selatan or South Jakarta.

#ABG is Anak Baru Gede or a naughty young girl.

#BO is Booking Out.

#include / exclude relates to the hotel so is essentially in or outcall.

#wajibcap is compulsory condoms. #bebas is free or without.

Sometimes the individual hastags are used but many, many times they are combined eg #OpenBOJakSel.

Basic Bahasa is useful as many of these girls speak no English and a lot of the slang used won't be found in Google Translate.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]Goferring, if you have more I hope you can post. Been studying about a year, some I can recognize. Hnya is hanya, yg is yang, but what about "gpp" -.

I think I got the first part of this "Aku di sini hnya fwb aja ya. Aja ya = ?

[QUOTE=PapaeNoel;2534301]Goferring, if you have more I hope you can post. Been studying about a year, some I can recognize. Hnya is hanya, yg is yang, but what about "gpp" -.

I think I got the first part of this "Aku di sini hnya fwb aja ya. Aja ya = ?[/QUOTE]Gpp = ga apa apa or 'is that ok'.

Thanks 3088, I found a good source. Just remembered to use search engine.

One of the most popular abbreviations in Indonesia is Gpp, which stands for Gak Apa- Apa. Gak means no, and apa-apa is another abbreviation of kenapa-kenapa means something happened, so gpp means it's nothing.

Example:

A: I am so sorry I forgot your birthday.

Be: Gpp, don't mind!

[QUOTE=Goferring;2533228]

Yes, language skills help but many girls also enjoy "practicing their English".
[/QUOTE]Typical nineties and noughties, I'd say. Common practice in public places back then. Like malls or... the restroom of MacDonalds sarinah. A drink, a burger and a blowjob. "Honey, can you spell Happy Meal" ..I doubt it is still being used much?

I got one for you. How about "the nod"? Is that still an occurrence these days? Old hands will recognize this. I didn't see much of it over the last few years. For those that don't understand what it means. It's better than being swiped right on Tinder.

[QUOTE=PapaeNoel;2534301]Goferring, if you have more I hope you can post. Been studying about a year, some I can recognize. Hnya is hanya, yg is yang, but what about "gpp" -.

I think I got the first part of this "Aku di sini hnya fwb aja ya. Aja ya = ?[/QUOTE]Your question introduces some interesting points:

Bahasa can be very easy to learn, especially in the early stages. But introduce the slang, local dialects etc that is spoken informally everyday and it can be a minefield:

Indonesians love to shorten words especially dropping "s"es. Sudah to udah (already), saja to aja (only) etc. This can get really bad in texts with letters disappearing from the middle of words: Dmana kau? For dimana kamu? Where are you?

You then have the 00's of dialects and informal slang included. Bahasa Gaul is really popular around Jakarta and on TV Sopie's. There is even a Bahasa Banci. The "gak" that you discovered is actually nggak shortened which is Gaul not true Bahasa Indonesia. It's not uncommon for several languages and dialects to be included in the same sentence or conversation: AmongGayPay? (spelt phonetically) is Memang (in BI) Gue (in Gaul) Pikirim (in BI) or Would I think about it? (Literally) or I don't give a shitt (intended meaning).

"Aku di sini hnya fwb aja ya" is "I'm only doing friends with benefits".

Be careful as some words can change meaning drastically depending on context. Nikah and Kawin can both mean married or fucking around depending on how they are used. After embarrassing myself several times I just use "married" now. 😁.

Have fun. G.

[QUOTE=PapaeNoel;2534301]Been studying about a year, [/QUOTE]Where are you? The fastest way to learn is to take a kamus hidup away for a few days to a week on the condition that you only speak Indonesian. You will be surprised at how much you learn when it is used 24/7.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2534851]
Be careful as some words can change meaning drastically depending on context. Nikah and Kawin can both mean married or fucking around depending on how they are used. After embarrassing myself several times I just use "married" now. 😁.

Have fun. G.[/QUOTE]Hence the expressions: kawin surat and kawin urat. ("I" like "e" in "me", "you" like "o" in "do" and "a" like "a" in "marble".

Kawin surat= documented, oficial unision.

Kawin urat= unision by sinews.

[QUOTE=PapaeNoel;2534669]Thanks 3088, I found a good source. Just remembered to use search engine.

One of the most popular abbreviations in Indonesia is Gpp, which stands for Gak Apa- Apa. Gak means no, and apa-apa is another abbreviation of kenapa-kenapa means something happened, so gpp means it's nothing.

Example:

A: I am so sorry I forgot your birthday.

Be: Gpp, don't mind![/QUOTE]Actually, apa-apa in this sense is no abbrev. It just means "something". Gpp=no something=nothing.

Kenapa means "why". If someone uses "gak kenapa-kenapa" it will express (the lack of) a reason. Enggak kenapa2 DIA jatuh= Without a reason, he fell.

Goferring, et al, Saya tinggal di Amerika serikat.

Thanks for suggesting kamus hidup (translates to living dictionary).

My pace of learning is picking up, but as with any idiom, it will be absolutely frustrating when I try to communicate next time I am there in country.

[QUOTE=PapaeNoel;2535761]
My pace of learning is picking up, but as with any idiom, it will be absolutely frustrating when I try to communicate next time I am there in country.[/QUOTE]Actually you will be well ahead of many others. I learnt both formally through classes and informally through work and girl friends. I waited six months before doing the classes and already knew the basics of grammar and had a smattering of vocab. For me, the lessons built on this and help me expand topics I could talk about and work with more formal and complex grammatical structures. You may already be aware that BI grammar is very different to English.

At the same time we had people who literally stepped of the plane not speaking a word of BI so their classes were covering the absolute basics and the simplest of vocab. They honestly expected to be fully fluent and conversing after a 2 week intensive course. Of course this was hopelessly optimistic.

At the other end of the scale was a Japanese guy who spoke no English. This meant that for him to eat, travel, sleep, anything he had to use Bahasa. No one would understand him if he got lazy and fell back to his mother tongue like we English speakers could. After two months in country he was reading the news papers and watching the local news in tv.

Enjoy. G.

Goferring, All well stated. Thanks again.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2535801]Actually you will be well ahead of many others. I learnt both formally through classes and informally through work and girl friends. I waited six months before doing the classes and already knew the basics of grammar and had a smattering of vocab...[/QUOTE]I recommend installing the app Duolingo on your phone. If you really want to learn the language and spend 1-2 hours per day on the app, I think you will learn a lot really fast. It is dynamic, fast paced, understands what you haven't learned yet (based on your errors) and tailors the teaching to that, many of the exercises are easy to get through but still teach you something. If you forget to practice, it starts reminding you. It should lay the perfect basis for real conversational practice. They have a free version, but the paid version is a bit better and does not cost that much. I have no connection with Duolingo or financial interest in promoting them, just think it works really well.

Yes, been using the full version of Duolingo. It does have enough challenges for me, but still not everything I would like to have, such as grammar drills. Occasionally I will listen to YouTube language videos. But not actually watch the screen, so I can write out in Bahasa each phrase as I hear them. Now considering a Netflix subscription so as to watch movies with bahasa subtitles.

Delta is open and has been for a few months, with Covid protocols, at least the one at Harmoni is. Has a big sign out the front, free rapid testing before a massage, the wet massage there is legendary.

Normal massage is open already, like Bersih Sehat, but you'll be hard-pressed getting a handie there.

Karaoke establishments and bars are preparing to reopen, if positive news from the Governors office about the next PSBB review and easing of restrictions, on the 22nd March.

[URL]https://voi.id/en/bernas/38657/karaoke-places-in-jakarta-are-getting-ready-to-open[/URL]

A friend told me Banten (BSD Tangerang) has already opened massage and karaoke. Doesn't surprise me, they had resto's open when Jakarta didn't during the first lockdown.

I imagine some of these places, sitting in dust and dirt and darkness, will be overrun with rats and mosquitos. Some might need a good cleanup. I actually saw one last week, with doors open and looked like a final renovation underway.

Might take a few weeks for the word to get out to the kamungs of Indramayu and Tasikmalaya and the girls returning.

You will soon be able to fuck yourself crazy at all the old usual haunts.

[QUOTE=Mrdurden;2527643]Hi guys, I'm a Jakarta newbie, have been searching on Google maps for massage spas but many of them are shut down.

Looking for a massage with happy ending. Can't order outcall because I'm with my gf (she's on her period).

Is my best bet to go to a hotel spa, since they're less likely to be shut down?

Do all hotel spas offer happy ending, or should I target 2-3 star hotels, or 4-5 star hotels?

I am located in the Central Park (Grogol) area, if that helps.

Thanks in advance for any helpful advice.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MasBule;2540888]Delta is open and has been for a few months, with Covid protocols, at least the one at Harmoni is. Has a big sign out the front, free rapid testing before a massage, the wet massage there is legendary.

Normal massage is open already, like Bersih Sehat, but you'll be hard-pressed getting a handie there.

Karaoke establishments and bars are preparing to reopen, if positive news from the Governors office about the next PSBB review and easing of restrictions, on the 22nd March.

[URL]https://voi.id/en/bernas/38657/karaoke-places-in-jakarta-are-getting-ready-to-open[/URL]

A friend told me Banten (BSD Tangerang) has already opened massage and karaoke. Doesn't surprise me, they had resto's open when Jakarta didn't during the first lockdown.

I imagine some of these places, sitting in dust and dirt and darkness, will be overrun with rats and mosquitos. Some might need a good cleanup. I actually saw one last week, with doors open and looked like a final renovation underway.

Might take a few weeks for the word to get out to the kamungs of Indramayu and Tasikmalaya and the girls returning.

You will soon be able to fuck yourself crazy at all the old usual haunts.[/QUOTE]I love this place and was wondering if anyone knew whether it was open yet?

[QUOTE=MrChewsomtwat;2544529]I love this place and was wondering if anyone knew whether it was open yet?[/QUOTE]Even the signs were taken down.

[QUOTE=EgyMongerNew;2544590]Even the signs were taken down.[/QUOTE]Very sad. The Malio club was the third best mongering I've had in Asia. After Geylang, Singapore, pre-2009, and Chang Ping, China, pre-2014.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2545296]Very sad. The Malio club was the third best mongering I've had in Asia. After Geylang, Singapore, pre-2009, and Chang Ping, China, pre-2014.[/QUOTE]Can't believe you're comparing Geylang with Malio! Fishbowls full of average looking women who insist on condoms versus being in a bar with great music, naked or almost naked girls who offer BBBJCIM and BBCIM. It's not even close.

Anyway,

I know several Malio girls who liked to hang out at CJ's in their spare time but with that bar currently not operating where are the girls? All on Tinder? Doesn't seem their style hence working in bars instead. Are any of the big spa's open? I want to get back to Jakarta ASAP. Travel / Classic open?

I know we go anywhere there are good clubs. But is there any regions of Jakarta where expats congregate for work and for living? I am thinking about buying a small apartment in Jakarta.

[QUOTE=BJtemp;2546244]I know we go anywhere there are good clubs. But is there any regions of Jakarta where expats congregate for work and for living? I am thinking about buying a small apartment in Jakarta.[/QUOTE]Mostly around South Jakarta. Kemang / Pondok Indah / Cilandak Areas. If you want to get away from the smog then there's Sentul, but that's a bit of a drag back into town. Personally, if I was to be living full time in Jakarta it would most likely be in the Kemang area.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2545296]Very sad. The Malio club was the third best mongering I've had in Asia. After Geylang, Singapore, pre-2009, and Chang Ping, China, pre-2014.[/QUOTE]Endgame everywhere.

Thanks for your info and view. South side is nice; should be more expensive. I don't live there permanently, but I go there often enough (used to be once a month), that I think it makes sense to set up a little home base. And especially I see there are many small apartments, maybe 30-40 sq meters, in very decent interior condition, under USD 50 K; seems affordable and with not much downside.

Can I ask, for those expats who live in Jakarta long term, what are there to do in Jakarta day in and day out, that you may want to live close to? Modern malls with air conditioning? Restaurants?

[QUOTE=IrishMongrel;2546248]Mostly around South Jakarta. Kemang / Pondok Indah / Cilandak Areas. If you want to get away from the smog then there's Sentul, but that's a bit of a drag back into town. Personally, if I was to be living full time in Jakarta it would most likely be in the Kemang area.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BJtemp;2546244] I am thinking about buying a small apartment in Jakarta.[/QUOTE]As a foreigner, are you allowed to buy one, now?

[QUOTE=Menteng;2546271]As a foreigner, are you allowed to buy one, now?[/QUOTE]If you are referring to the pandemic, right now I'm not going there, no. Probably after things settled down a bit but that should be just months way.

Based on my research foreigners are allowed to buy certain properties with strata title. Must adhere to a few small rules (capped % of units in one condo building sold to foreigners etc.).

[QUOTE=MrChewsomtwat;2546232]Can't believe you're comparing Geylang with Malio! Fishbowls full of average looking women who insist on condoms versus being in a bar with great music, naked or almost naked girls who offer BBBJCIM and BBCIM. It's not even close....[/QUOTE]In all my visits to Geylang I never entered a fishbowl (read pre 2009).

[QUOTE=MrChewsomtwat;2546232]Can't believe you're comparing Geylang with Malio! Fishbowls full of average looking women who insist on condoms versus being in a bar with great music, naked or almost naked girls who offer BBBJCIM and BBCIM. It's not even close?[/QUOTE]Geylang pre-2009 was great indeed, but I still say nothing beats Jakarta. Where else can you get practically guaranteed BBFS+CIP?

[QUOTE=BJtemp;2546276]If you are referring to the pandemic, right now I'm not going there, no. Probably after things settled down a bit but that should be just months way.

Based on my research foreigners are allowed to buy certain properties with strata title. Must adhere to a few small rules (capped % of units in one condo building sold to foreigners etc.).[/QUOTE]No, not meaning related to the pandemic, but in contrast to the past when it was not possible to purchase a house or apartment in Indonesia, as a foreigner.

[QUOTE=EgyMongerNew;2546359]Geylang pre-2009 was great indeed, but I still say nothing beats Jakarta. Where else can you get practically guaranteed BBFS+CIP?[/QUOTE]

Is BBFS+CIP standard in Indonesia? Are the girls regulerly tested? Do they ask any proof that the customer has been tested?? Thanks.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2550160]Is BBFS+CIP standard in Indonesia? Are the girls regulerly tested? Do they ask any proof that the customer has been tested?? Thanks.[/QUOTE]I read this as a troll. Then I saw you are a senior member! Sir, respectfully, I don't think you've ever been to a low income country with these question. In short: Yes indeed, of course NOT, and of course NOT. These questions you ask are all things which correlate with 1st world living and 1st world education levels, they don't even make sense in the context of so many places like this because the thought process doesn't even involve them at all.

I actually had an Indonesian girl trying to convince me to take the rubber off and I've only ever banged 2 in my life

[QUOTE=Parasitius;2550166]I read this as a troll. Then I saw you are a senior member! Sir, respectfully, I don't think you've ever been to a low income country with these question. In short: Yes indeed, of course NOT, and of course NOT. These questions you ask are all things which correlate with 1st world living and 1st world education levels, they don't even make sense in the context of so many places like this because the thought process doesn't even involve them at all.

I actually had an Indonesian girl trying to convince me to take the rubber off and I've only ever banged 2 in my life[/QUOTE]Thanks. Indeed I am curious about it. But I met an indonesian guy a few years ago who told me that Indonesian people go to Brothels and have a BB sex and CIP with the girls which is in line with the statement from "Egy Monger New" statement.

But BB is not my cup of tea as I do not want to play a russian roulette.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2550160]Is BBFS+CIP standard in Indonesia? Are the girls regularly tested? Do they ask any proof that the customer has been tested?? Thanks.[/QUOTE]I'd say it very much depends on the background of the girl and were you pick her up from.

The majority of my regular P4 P would BBFS, but only after the first couple of meetings. Only one wanted CIP, but I didn't do it. All girls have wanted condom on first meeting, which didn't worry me. I only picked up from expat bars, clubs in high end hotels or well known night-clubs. I switched to Tinder, initially as a bit of fun, but found that to be a gold mine pre-covid. I had no need to go near a bar or club, unless it was for a drink with a regular "date". My last pre-covid Tinder pick-up pushed a condom very hard the first night, by the third night she was shagging my brains out without one, but there was no way in hell I was going to unload inside her. Didn't see the point, she was a 21 year old Uni Student, not going to screw that up for her.

The P4 P that did anal, which were a few, would do that without a condom straight out and no problems blowing a load in there.

I know some of my regulars would get tested, don't know how regular and I doubt that is every one. Having a clean pussy kept their reputation intact.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2550160]Is BBFS+CIP standard in Indonesia? Are the girls regulerly tested? Do they ask any proof that the customer has been tested?? Thanks.[/QUOTE]As someone who mongers here on a daily basis for years, the answer is yes.

Non P4P civilians, CJs / BATS, Kota brothels. All the same. However, some do ask you don't cum inside them (which I still do anyway).

And no such thing as testing or proof of testing.

Indonesian chics are submissive and non-confrontational by nature.

[QUOTE=EgyMongerNew;2550416]

Indonesian chics are submissive and non-confrontational by nature.[/QUOTE]Especially the Javanese and Sundanese.

Girls from Nthn Sumatra and (as recently discovered) girls from Manado, can be a bit stronger willed though.

[QUOTE=BJtemp;2546257]Can I ask, for those expats who live in Jakarta long term, what are there to do in Jakarta day in and day out, that you may want to live close to? Modern malls with air conditioning? Restaurants?[/QUOTE]You didn't really speak about your hobbies or budget or work status?

Many expats will keep busy by working, going to an expat bar (probably 10 good ones all be told), surfing tinder and dating, reading a book, discovering street food, riding a bike (massively popular now), going to a gym. There is a massive coffee culture here (probably in contrast to a small alcohol culture) so if you into spending hours in a cafe you have lots of options.

The malls are the same all over the city, so don't base your home on the proximity to a mall as they are everywhere and generic.

Malls have some nice bars / restos, but they can be quite pricey such as Cork+Screw, Union, Social house. Malls have many restos at all price points, but the atmosphere is usually sub-standard. There are only very few bars / restos that I frequent in malls, because of the sterile feel of the malls.

Most of the guys I know have a strong network of buddies who they drink with on Fri / Sat nights, usually in Kemang, SCBD, Kuninghan areas.

Just be warned a night EP or McGettigans can cost 1 million a time, it quickly adds up if your there multiple times a week.

Those who are retired, live a pretty frugal life, or they move to Bali. Jakarta is place to get bored easy if your alone, especially during covid times.

[QUOTE=EgyMongerNew;2550416]Indonesian chics are submissive and non-confrontational by nature.[/QUOTE]Until you cross the line in the sand. Then all hell breaks loose. Batak, Bugis and Kalimantan / Dyak girls flick the switch between nice and quiet then rampaging psychos if pushed too far.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2552121]Until you cross the line in the sand. Then all hell breaks loose. Batak, Bugis and Kalimantan / Dyak girls flick the switch between nice and quiet then rampaging psychos if pushed too far.[/QUOTE]Gofer, you are the Bahasa Indonesia expert here. I think this unpredictable psychotic behaviour from normally mild mannered people is called 'amok'. Many Indonesians and Malays are afflicted with this condition and it is well reported in psychiatry journals. In the 1800's and early 1900's, many Dutch landowners got a machete to the neck from Indonesian farm labourers running amok, after a lifetime of loyal service.

[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2552145] In the 1800's and early 1900's, many Dutch landowners got a machete to the neck from Indonesian farm labourers running amok, after a lifetime of loyal service.[/QUOTE]I'm guessing that was in Java and Sumatra??

Dyaks would have done it with a blow gun. It still happens in illegal mining and timber areas where a sudden influx will quickly outnumber the local population. Tolerance is practiced until village girls are hounded too much and the new lads are reminded it's in their interest to keep a respectable distance.

Yes, I was surprised to find "running amok" has Malay heritage.

[QUOTE=IrishMongrel;2550394]
I'd say it very much depends on the background of the girl and were you pick her up from.

The majority of my regular P4 P would BBFS, but only after the first couple of meetings. Only one wanted CIP, but I didn't do it. All girls have wanted condom on first meeting, which didn't worry me. I only picked up from expat bars, clubs in high end hotels or well known night-clubs. I switched to Tinder, initially as a bit of fun, but found that to be a gold mine pre-covid. I had no need to go near a bar or club, unless it was for a drink with a regular "date". My last pre-covid Tinder pick-up pushed a condom very hard the first night, by the third night she was shagging my brains out without one, but there was no way in hell I was going to unload inside her. Didn't see the point, she was a 21 year old Uni Student, not going to screw that up for her.

The P4 P that did anal, which were a few, would do that without a condom straight out and no problems blowing a load in there.

I know some of my regulars would get tested, don't know how regular and I doubt that is every one. Having a clean pussy kept their reputation intact.[/QUOTE]Thanks for useful information.

[QUOTE=EgyMongerNew;2550416]As someone who mongers here on a daily basis for years, the answer is yes.

Non P4P civilians, CJs / BATS, Kota brothels. All the same. However, some do ask you don't cum inside them (which I still do anyway).

And no such thing as testing or proof of testing.

Indonesian chics are submissive and non-confrontational by nature.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for useful information. Nice to hear this reconfirmation. I agree with you, IMHO the point of having a BB is to creampie that nice pussy (CIP). That is where all of the pleasure is coming from when reaching the climax. Even better when she could hold it until the last drop of your cum.

Each to their own, but in my personal there is no opinion of having a BB if you cannot creampie that nice pussy (CIP). But I am very anxious to have a BB if I am not sure that they are clean from any infection. HIV prevalent in Indonesia is indeed still very low but I do not want to play a Russian roulette with HIV or other incurable disease.

[QUOTE=BJtemp;2546257]Can I ask, for those expats who live in Jakarta long term, what are there to do in Jakarta day in and day out, that you may want to live close to? Modern malls with air conditioning? Restaurants?[/QUOTE]I'm not an expat but I seriously considered it. The malls in Jakarta are huge with TONS of good restaurants. Grand Indonesia, Kota Kasablanka, and Mall of Indonesia to name a few. Kota Indah opened at 3 pm, Classic and Travel earlier than that (1 pm?). The Kimochi Mabes around the city were open very early too. Unsure which will survive COVID lockdowns. I usually only hobby and eat every day so didn't do much else in Jakarta. I did go to Ancol Beach which was disappointing and I enjoy the small yet interesting night market at Old Jakarta City Hall.

As for an Asian city to retire in, Tokyo, Seoul, Bangkok, Hong Kong have more things to do but I could retire in Jakarta.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2555379]I'm not an expat but I seriously considered it. The malls in Jakarta are huge with TONS of good restaurants. Grand Indonesia, Kota Kasablanka, and Mall of Indonesia to name a few. Kota Indah opened at 3 pm, Classic and Travel earlier than that (1 pm?). The Kimochi Mabes around the city were open very early too. Unsure which will survive COVID lockdowns. I usually only hobby and eat every day so didn't do much else in Jakarta. I did go to Ancol Beach which was disappointing and I enjoy the small yet interesting night market at Old Jakarta City Hall.

As for an Asian city to retire in, Tokyo, Seoul, Bangkok, Hong Kong have more things to do but I could retire in Jakarta.[/QUOTE]All those places you mentioned have been shut since March 2020.

The Kota Indah brothels are alive and kicking. As an added bonus, they're now for the first time ever open during Ramadan (with the exception of Starmoon).

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2555379]As for an Asian city to retire in, Tokyo, Seoul, Bangkok, Hong Kong have more things to do but I could retire in Jakarta.[/QUOTE]There is a huge difference between living somewhere, especially as a retiree with time on one's hand, and visiting for a couple of weeks play, as I'm sure you are aware.

Jakarta has a huge expat worker population but not a large retiree one (pre covid). A few factors. Without work there isn't a lot of new things to do over time. There are great malls but that gets tiring week after week Even catching up with buddies can be a nightmare if it's in traffic. Since the collapse of Blok M, there really isn't one area to go bar hopping. Now it's really only one or two places per night, again due to traffic.

Most retirees, even those that worked in Jakarta, will move out to the provinces of Java, Bali or similar.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2555179]Each to their own, but in my personal there is no opinion of having a BB if you cannot creampie that nice pussy (CIP)[/QUOTE]If you can't experience sex the way nature intended then there's no point really.

Attached is today's chica at VFour, one of the Kota Indah bordellos with tens of teens and early 20's LBFMs. Incredibly submissive (hair pulling, butt slapping, etc.), BBBJ, DFK, CIP and Tossed My Salad to top things off. Total damage 390,000 Indonesian Rupiah, or US $27. I definitely get more bang for buck here than Thailand, Philippines and the other SEA places. I've mongered in over 20 countries over the years and nothing beats Jakarta both as a retirement destination and mongering hotspot. The only issue of course is the visa situation but that could be solved if you are in contact with the right visa agencies.

[QUOTE=EgyMongerNew;2555470]Attached is today's chica at VFour, ..... Total damage 390,000 Indonesian Rupiah, or US $27.[/QUOTE]Great to see you are enjoying your retirement!!

I'm probably showing my age but wasn't that the Hotel Travel's twofer price as well?

Another fine establishment lost to the sands of time. 😁.

[QUOTE=EgyMongerNew;2555470]If you can't experience sex the way nature intended then there's no point really.

Attached is today's chica at VFour, one of the Kota Indah bordellos with tens of teens and early 20's LBFMs. Incredibly submissive (hair pulling, butt slapping, etc.), BBBJ, DFK, CIP and Tossed My Salad to top things off. Total damage 390,000 Indonesian Rupiah, or US $27. I definitely get more bang for buck here than Thailand, Philippines and the other SEA places. I've mongered in over 20 countries over the years and nothing beats Jakarta both as a retirement destination and mongering hotspot. The only issue of course is the visa situation but that could be solved if you are in contact with the right visa agencies.[/QUOTE]

Hi Mate, you are a star. Good to see your wonderful retirement.

I will need to plan my holiday soon. Cannot wait to crempie that nice little twat. And for US $27, it is really cheap. AFAIK, it is now Ramadhan in Indonesia now, until May 12. I reckon they must do that in close door or otherwise will annoy the muslim population in Jakarta.

Any of you familiar with those words: bubur hostes (booboor hostess)? It means hostess' porridge. They stalls / resto's do not open before 02.00 AM (midnight). I understand that it was originally meant for the hungry "hostesses" who finish their shift about that time.

Location was near Glodok. Good old JAD showed me the places. So, do they still exist?

[QUOTE=Menteng;2555702]Any of you familiar with those words: bubur hostes (booboor hostess)? It means hostess' porridge. They stalls / resto's do not open before 02.00 AM (midnight). I understand that it was originally meant for the hungry "hostesses" who finish their shift about that time.

Location was near Glodok. Good old JAD showed me the places. So, do they still exist?[/QUOTE]Are you taking about the kaki lima that form around every workplace or the actual restaurant? Google shows the restaurant just off Hayam Wuruk as permanently closed.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2555439]There is a huge difference between living somewhere, especially as a retiree with time on one's hand, and visiting for a couple of weeks play, as I'm sure you are aware.[/QUOTE]Of course. Just like I am an expat in Thailand. Guys would come for 3 weeks and can't believe that I find "paradise" a bit monotonous even if I hit 6-10 gogo bars per night. Always better to be a tourist anywhere.

[QUOTE=EgyMongerNew;2555425]All those places you mentioned have been shut since March 2020.

The Kota Indah brothels are alive and kicking. [/QUOTE]Yes I know they have been shut down which is why I haven't followed this thread much as I'm not in Jakarta. No need to read and post in a thread often if I'm not there to provide reports.

Didn't know KI remained open. Food for thought as a destination again once borders reopen.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2555714]Are you taking about the kaki lima that form around every workplace or the actual restaurant? Google shows the restaurant just off Hayam Wuruk as permanently closed.[/QUOTE]There were pedagang kaki lima and mini restaurants where one could enjoy the food. I was wandering if they are still there, with the present pandemic in mind.

[QUOTE=EgyMongerNew;2555470]If you can't experience sex the way nature intended then there's no point really.

Attached is today's chica at VFour, one of the Kota Indah bordellos with tens of teens and early 20's LBFMs. Incredibly submissive (hair pulling, butt slapping, etc.), BBBJ, DFK, CIP and Tossed My Salad to top things off. Total damage 390,000 Indonesian Rupiah, or US $27. I definitely get more bang for buck here than Thailand, Philippines and the other SEA places. I've mongered in over 20 countries over the years and nothing beats Jakarta both as a retirement destination and mongering hotspot. The only issue of course is the visa situation but that could be solved if you are in contact with the right visa agencies.[/QUOTE]Have you tried to finger fuck one of the girl in Jakarta until she come??

Hey gents,

I'm wondering if anyone here is aware of a coffeeshop that is conveniently near a place for play? Could be a bar that is open during the day with some action upstairs or in the back, or a naughty massage place, that is near a coffeeshop? I know that this might be a strange request, but I like to take my laptop out to a coffeeshop during the days, and come afternoon I love to venture out and get rid of all that pent up energy!

I live in South Jakarta, not to far from Blok M, but for the right setup I could visit anywhere. And honestly I'd like to venture out a little and explore some new areas, which I haven't really been able to do since I moved here after most things had already locked down.

Appreciate the recommendations!

[QUOTE=EgyMongerNew;2555470]If you can't experience sex the way nature intended then there's no point really.

Attached is today's chica at VFour, one of the Kota Indah bordellos with tens of teens and early 20's LBFMs. Incredibly submissive (hair pulling, butt slapping, etc.), BBBJ, DFK, CIP and Tossed My Salad to top things off. Total damage 390,000 Indonesian Rupiah, or US $27. I definitely get more bang for buck here than Thailand, Philippines and the other SEA places. I've mongered in over 20 countries over the years and nothing beats Jakarta both as a retirement destination and mongering hotspot. The only issue of course is the visa situation but that could be solved if you are in contact with the right visa agencies.[/QUOTE]Would VFour be your recommended spot in that area? I've never been, but think I'll head over that way this weekend. Is there a best time or day, or does any time any night of the week work? Would you say it's generally safe to venture over there alone?

[QUOTE=EgyMongerNew;2555425]All those places you mentioned have been shut since March 2020.

The Kota Indah brothels are alive and kicking. As an added bonus, they're now for the first time ever open during Ramadan (with the exception of Starmoon).[/QUOTE]Happy to hear that KI is active even in this situation. Welcome report friend. Expecting more reports from Jakarta forum. It will be an encouragement for held up mongers.

I went looking around a little closer to home, and found a place that is new to me and worth raising a report on. It's located almost directly across from Gandaria City Mall, here is the place:

[URL]https://goo.gl/maps/J2oT6zcqR11unc8Y7[/URL]

It's right next door to Duncan Donuts, and it looks like they have consolidated the hotel and the spa into just the hotel and removed any references to the spa. Assuming it is because of covid. They have a few girls available starting at 3 pm, and have about 20-25 girls available after 6 pm. There is a small bar / coffee shop on the ground floor, just walk straight through the little lobby / front desk area toward the back of the building. I was told that they stay open until midnight, but suspect it depends on customers.

I went there a couple days ago and again earlier today just after they opened at 3 pm. You pay 200 k for the room in the hotel, and then give the girl another 150 k after you get into the room. Neither of the two girls that I tried would accept a tip, explaining that the establishment has a strict policy against the girls asking for or accepting tips. This seemed kinda strange to me, and I tried to slide a few bills into her purse but she was pretty firm on giving it back. Strange. The place has a pretty anything goes norm I think. No problems with CIP and both girls had no issues sticking a tongue up your arse. Was all in for 350 k, and well worth it.

[QUOTE=JKTbanger;2557127] Neither of the two girls that I tried would accept a tip, explaining that the establishment has a strict policy against the girls asking for or accepting tips. This seemed kinda strange to me, and I tried to slide a few bills into her purse but she was pretty firm on giving it back. Strange.[/QUOTE]Maybe because there is a hidden camera to monitor the action in the room LOL.

[QUOTE=Thampi62;2556798]Happy to hear that KI is active even in this situation. Welcome report friend. Expecting more reports from Jakarta forum. It will be an encouragement for held up mongers.[/QUOTE]I'm writing this from a taxi on the way back from VFour. It was open and they were serving alcohol, but needing to buy a bottle and mixer set when your on your own isn't really ideal. It is Saturday night, and all of the tables were full except on in the far back dark corner. There were two girls in the seating corner that weren't already with local customers, so I grabbed the better looking of the two and went up to a room. My experience was a little different, maybe 9 pm on Saturday isn't the best time.

Girls name was Loly, 19 years old. First 20 minutes was spent trying to get her off her phone chatting with someone. When I started getting noticeably annoyed she put it down and motioned me to the shower. The shower and the room, but especially the shower, haven't been cleaned since it was a Dutch neighborhood. Door said it was a VIP room, but maybe all the doors say that.

No play, no idea or desire to give a blowjob, insisted on a condom that was thicker than her covid mask. Basically stared at her watch while I dry fucked her for 15 minutes before losing interest. Didn't cum, didn't have fun, total damage was 600 k.

I get that it is hit or miss, but this one was a miss by a mile! I did a quick walk down the street to see if anything else was open, but it started to rain so I ran out by the market and jumped into a taxi home.

Loly's Instagram is: lolylan11.

Avoid that one.

These things can happen in normal time also. When negative incidents happen during hunting I won't carry it in mind. Thanks for the tip JKT BANGER. How is spas in Kelapa Gading? Google search showed most of them are closed. I am expecting either Thailand or Indo will open to tourists towards end of this year[myhope]. Your reports are giving a positive inspiration on Jakarta.

[QUOTE=JKTbanger;2557658]Girls name was Loly, 19 years old. First 20 minutes was spent trying to get her off her phone chatting with someone. When I started getting noticeably annoyed she put it down and motioned me to the shower. The shower and the room, but especially the shower, haven't been cleaned since it was a Dutch neighborhood. Door said it was a VIP room, but maybe all the doors say that.

No play, no idea or desire to give a blowjob, insisted on a condom that was thicker than her covid mask. Basically stared at her watch while I dry fucked her for 15 minutes before losing interest. Didn't cum, didn't have fun, total damage was 600 k.

I get that it is hit or miss, but this one was a miss by a mile! I did a quick walk down the street to see if anything else was open, but it started to rain so I ran out by the market and jumped into a taxi home.

Loly's Instagram is: lolylan11.

Avoid that one.[/QUOTE]You should have kicked her out after 10 seconds. A girl doesn't turn her phone off as soon as she enters the room I call mamasan and get her replaced. Easy.

[QUOTE=Muzungufotsy;2557830]You should have kicked her out after 10 seconds. A girl doesn't turn her phone off as soon as she enters the room I call mamasan and get her replaced. Easy.[/QUOTE]Yea, I hear ya. I guess it depends on your level of comfort in the place where you are. I've never been to VFour before, and maybe my read is wrong, but it felt like it was a lot more of a locals place that is run by gangsters and don't much care what a foreigner wants after your money is in their pocket. It was pretty rough and wasn't very welcoming. Honestly, it makes me miss Travelers and Classic. In this case, it wasn't clear who the Mamasan even was and from the attitude I don't think they would replace anything without another 600 k.

I am still fairly new to Jakarta, still reading the forum and poking my head around. But I do have over a decade in Thailand so am not new to the game, only the country. I think being alone in a back areas of a dump building just had me doing some risk vs. Reward, and I opted to not make waves.

Has anyone else had any experiences at VFour, and what were they? Any experiences in that area or other places that might be better to check out? Ideally I'd love to find a bar that resembles a bar on Pattaya soi 6, where it's more like a pub where I can go alone and buy a single drink, and not be stuck buying a whole set with mixers in a mini nightclub environment. Thoughts?

[QUOTE=Thampi62;2557798]These things can happen in normal time also. When negative incidents happen during hunting I won't carry it in mind. Thanks for the tip JKT BANGER. How is spas in Kelapa Gading? Google search showed most of them are closed. I am expecting either Thailand or Indo will open to tourists towards end of this year. Your reports are giving a positive inspiration on Jakarta.[/QUOTE]I'm not familiar with the spas in Kelapa Gading, and a quick Google Maps search didn't really turn up much. I tend to search for Bar and Massage as those seem to be where the fun is. If I am making the trip, I leave feeling ripped off if I have to wait through an hour of back rubbing only for an average hand job. That normally doesn't even keep me hard. Last thing I want is a massage if it isn't a brothel in disguise. If you are aware of some good places in that area, I am happy to scout them out and report back.

Most of the places I massage places I have been going to are in South Jakarta as it is a little closer to home. There are a few decent ones around Blok M that are open, and one near Gandaria Mall that I reported on a few posts back that has been fun.

I'd love to find some of the more extreme places. I read posts from the past about guys fucking on the side of rail road tracks or in shanties under a bridge. I'd love to find some of these areas, but from the exploring I've done it seems like it is recently shut down or is a relic of a past era. If anyone has any advise, I am all ears!

[QUOTE=JKTBanger;2557658]I'm writing this from a taxi on the way back from VFour. It was open and they were serving alcohol, but needing to buy a bottle and mixer set when your on your own isn't really ideal. It is Saturday night, and all of the tables were full except on in the far back dark corner. There were two girls in the seating corner that weren't already with local customers, so I grabbed the better looking of the two and went up to a room. My experience was a little different, maybe 9 pm on Saturday isn't the best time.

Girls name was Loly, 19 years old. First 20 minutes was spent trying to get her off her phone chatting with someone. When I started getting noticeably annoyed she put it down and motioned me to the shower. The shower and the room, but especially the shower, haven't been cleaned since it was a Dutch neighborhood. Door said it was a VIP room, but maybe all the doors say that.

No play, no idea or desire to give a blowjob, insisted on a condom that was thicker than her covid mask. Basically stared at her watch while I dry fucked her for 15 minutes before losing interest. Didn't cum, didn't have fun, total damage was 600 k.

I get that it is hit or miss, but this one was a miss by a mile! I did a quick walk down the street to see if anything else was open, but it started to rain so I ran out by the market and jumped into a taxi home.

Loly's Instagram is: lolylan11.

Avoid that one.[/QUOTE]You will get this experience all the time if you want to be treated like that. Remember you are visiting s bordello which has a management, need a repeated business and thus reputation is paramount.

I wonder why did not you complain to the management?

If many visitors take the same actions and tell them that they will expose their bad experience to let other people know about their premises I believe they will take it serious.

[QUOTE=JKTBanger;2558104]Has anyone else had any experiences at VFour, and what were they? Any experiences in that area or other places that might be better to check out? Ideally I'd love to find a bar that resembles a bar on Pattaya soi 6, where it's more like a pub where I can go alone and buy a single drink, and not be stuck buying a whole set with mixers in a mini nightclub environment. Thoughts?[/QUOTE]I'm not an expat but I have never had to buy multiple drinks in any Jakarta bar. Nothing like Soi 6 in Jakarta. The closest would be the small bars in Kota Indah. Most guys go alone. Once you deflect the papasans you can sit there all night and enjoy your drink until you see a girl you like. Same for the spas and bars in Kelapa Gading. Neither of these areas are nearly as touristy as Classic and Travel. You'll likely be the only Farang in the bars as it's more for locals.

Photo of Sumo Spa in Kelapa Gading. Kelapa Gading is a great place to bar and spa hop for a couple of nights. It's just far away. Don't go during rush hour!

[QUOTE=Thampi62;2557798]I am expecting either Thailand or Indo will open to tourists towards end of this year[/QUOTE]Indonesians love to use foreigners as the scapegoat for new infections, so I can't see borders opening for tourists anytime soon.

You could still come on a 6-month B2 A11 business visa, but it ain't cheap ($500).

[QUOTE=Adindas;2558308]You will get this experience all the time if you want to be treated like that. Remember you are visiting s bordello which has a management, need a repeated business and thus reputation is paramount.

I wonder why did not you complain to the management?

If many visitors take the same actions and tell them that they will expose their bad experience to let other people know about their premises I believe they will take it serious.[/QUOTE]Yeah, maybe this works in western places but this is Indonesia, you can complain to your heart's content, you'll get a shrug from whoever you are complaining to and later they'll talk among themselves about the grumpy old bule who had some problem or other about something (and possibly by that stage the girl has already given her side of the story about how you were some beastly pervert trying to inveigle her into all sorts of unnatural practices) and nothing will be done.

Perhaps if you are a very rich Chinese bloke who regularly orders $400 bottles of cognac on his visits people might pay attention, if you are just Joe Schmoe bule racking up for the first time, ordering a couple of bottles of Bintang and complaining about the service don't expect to find the maitre'd running to do your bidding, rubbing his hands in supplication as he tries to salvage your evening.

Just chalk it up to experience, leave and don't bother going back.

Indonesia in a nutshell. Customer service or taking responsibility is a relatively foreign concept.

[QUOTE=Hilo77;2558775]Yeah, maybe this works in western places but this is Indonesia, you can complain to your heart's content, you'll get a shrug from whoever you are complaining to and later they'll talk among themselves about the grumpy old bule who had some problem or other about something (and possibly by that stage the girl has already given her side of the story about how you were some beastly pervert trying to inveigle her into all sorts of unnatural practices) and nothing will be done.

Perhaps if you are a very rich Chinese bloke who regularly orders $400 bottles of cognac on his visits people might pay attention, if you are just Joe Schmoe bule racking up for the first time, ordering a couple of bottles of Bintang and complaining about the service don't expect to find the maitre'd running to do your bidding, rubbing his hands in supplication as he tries to salvage your evening.

Just chalk it up to experience, leave and don't bother going back.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2558422]I'm not an expat but I have never had to buy multiple drinks in any Jakarta bar. Nothing like Soi 6 in Jakarta. The closest would be the small bars in Kota Indah. Most guys go alone. Once you deflect the papasans you can sit there all night and enjoy your drink until you see a girl you like. Same for the spas and bars in Kelapa Gading. Neither of these areas are nearly as touristy as Classic and Travel. You'll likely be the only Farang in the bars as it's more for locals.

Photo of Sumo Spa in Kelapa Gading. Kelapa Gading is a great place to bar and spa hop for a couple of nights. It's just far away. Don't go during rush hour![/QUOTE]Thanks for the recommendation, I'm not familiar with this area. Would you be able to recommend any bar areas or bars in the north that are popular with the freelancers, but maybe not as organized as a spa? Something like a very seedy version of Eastern Promise with fewer foreigners and cheaper girls would be excellent. That said, I'm still making a note of Sumo Spa! Will need to make a visit, but please do let me know if there are any other spots in the area since it is a bit of a trip.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2558308]You will get this experience all the time if you want to be treated like that. Remember you are visiting s bordello which has a management, need a repeated business and thus reputation is paramount.

I wonder why did not you complain to the management?

If many visitors take the same actions and tell them that they will expose their bad experience to let other people know about their premises I believe they will take it serious.[/QUOTE]I didn't bother complaining because it didn't seem like a very friendly, or safe, place and from the moment I walked in they seemed to almost shrug off the fact that I was there. They were much more focused on a house full of locals, and seemed more annoyed that a foreigner was there than being keen on my business. Lots of rough looking Indonesian guys who'd had a number of drinks in the main room and also had scooped up almost all the girls, many of the girls didn't even make eye contact with me. I'm fine with popping in and checking the place out, but they seem much more concerned with Indonesian business and I had a feeling that my complains would either get me a F off or thrown down the stairs. But almost certainly not another girl. I won't be back unless someone else has a better story and some details that helps me right if off as just an off night. Which it may have been. Maybe I was there on the wrong day / time.

Any seedy girl places open? I messaged a few on IG that I could find an account for, will see what they say and report back.

Friend and I wanting to go out tomorrow night.

I drink at EP from time to time, but never engage the girls there. Interested to hear how much you've been quoted though. I get the feeling a lot of them are just there fishing for a BF or husband so they can achieve that coveted Kemang lifestyle.

[QUOTE=JKTBanger;2559072]Thanks for the recommendation, I'm not familiar with this area. Would you be able to recommend any bar areas or bars in the north that are popular with the freelancers, but maybe not as organized as a spa? Something like a very seedy version of Eastern Promise with fewer foreigners and cheaper girls would be excellent. That said, I'm still making a note of Sumo Spa! Will need to make a visit, but please do let me know if there are any other spots in the area since it is a bit of a trip.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JKTBanger;2559074]I didn't bother complaining because it didn't seem like a very friendly, or safe, place and from the moment I walked in they seemed to almost shrug off the fact that I was there. They were much more focused on a house full of locals, and seemed more annoyed that a foreigner was there than being keen on my business. Lots of rough looking Indonesian guys who'd had a number of drinks in the main room and also had scooped up almost all the girls, many of the girls didn't even make eye contact with me. I'm fine with popping in and checking the place out, but they seem much more concerned with Indonesian business and I had a feeling that my complains would either get me a F off or thrown down the stairs. But almost certainly not another girl. I won't be back unless someone else has a better story and some details that helps me right if off as just an off night. Which it may have been. Maybe I was there on the wrong day / time.[/QUOTE]You wouldn't have come to any harm, no one would have told you to eff off, they simply would have listened politely to your complaint, smiled and then completely ignored it.

The scene you describe of the big table of locals and your being blanked by most of the girls might indicate the problem. Presumably they were regulars and (relatively) big spenders, the girls wanted in with them, maybe hoping to become the long-term squeeze of one of them. Maybe the girl you picked already had such a guy who wasn't there and he was getting messages from his mates that she had gone upstairs with some bule bloke and she was spending your time together reassuring him that she would soon get rid of you. It happens, nothing personal, maybe if you'd arrived on a quiet afternoon when you had the place to yourself you'd have had a different reaction.

If we hang out in cheap brothels, we have to be prepared for cheap brothel behaviour. We can't walk in expecting to be treated like the long-awaited white prince returned from exile to reclaim his throne, we mean as little to them as they do to us. Complaining about service in a place where you are just one of hundreds of johns spending 30 bucks on one of hundreds of kampung ayam is an utterly pointless waste of breath.

You did the right thing, it was a bust, shit happens, move on and try to find somewhere else. Who knows in the place next door you might just pick up a diamond in the rough, and your faith in your fellow man and woman is restored until such times as you again have the itch that only a cheap, meaningless fcuk in a grotty shebeen in North Jakarta can ease.

[QUOTE=PossessedSeoul;2559290] I get the feeling a lot of them are just there fishing for a BF or husband so they can achieve that coveted Kemang lifestyle.[/QUOTE]That's exactly what they are, actually more likely they are the ex-wives and ex-girlfriends of South Jakarta bules and they are in EP trying to score a replacement, or someone at least who'll pay for this month's school fees or rent, for the kids or the apartment respectively, that they've been left with.

Cynical gold-miners wouldn't even begin to describe the EP ladies, but bless them, they dress well and speak good English and can be decent company for the evening.

[QUOTE=Hilo77;2559291]You wouldn't have come to any harm, no one would have told you to eff off, they simply would have listened politely to your complaint, smiled and then completely ignored it.... Complaining about service in a place where you are just one of hundreds of johns spending 30 bucks on one of hundreds of kampung ayam is an utterly pointless waste of breath....You did the right thing, it was a bust, shit happens, move on and try to find somewhere else. Who knows in the place next door you might just pick up a diamond in the rough, and your faith in your fellow man and woman is restored until such times as you again have the itch that only a cheap, meaningless fcuk in a grotty shebeen in North Jakarta can ease.[/QUOTE]I always say up front: "Good service, good tip. Very good service, very good tip. Bad service, no tip. " I find it often helps. And I do tip really well for good service. , so it is just as well to say so in advance.

[QUOTE=PossessedSeoul;2559290]I drink at EP from time to time, but never engage the girls there. Interested to hear how much you've been quoted though. I get the feeling a lot of them are just there fishing for a BF or husband so they can achieve that coveted Kemang lifestyle.[/QUOTE]I've been into EP a number of times, but haven't had much luck there. All of the ladies I've spoken to have wanted 2 million, plus another 400 k for the hotel next door, some have asked for 3 million. Any indication that was unreasonable or a little high was met with the cheap charlie accusations and the true colors come out. There have been some in there that seemed a lot more pleasant to buy a drink for and have a chat, but they really aren't lookers. I've never had a lady ask for less than 1. 5 million. I think EP is good for a drink, but not for a pick up. If those are the prices, I'll just stick to the all-in massage spots for 350-500 k.

Hi all,

Apologies for asking here, as this isn't technically Jakarta, but it's a common holiday out of Jakarta and I didn't see a better area in the forums to ask. I'm curious if anyone has been to Cisolok, Indonesia, which is directly south on the water.

Looking at this resort:

[URL]https://karangajibeach.com-book.com/index.php[/URL]

Located here on Google Maps:

[URL]https://goo.gl/maps/oEaX7eJqmg72x3D16[/URL]

I've heard from a lot of the folks that work at the company that this is a pretty common escape from Jakarta for a long weekend. It's cheap, I hear the beach is nice, and it isn't so far outside of Jakarta. The biggest question I have is obviously whether there are any brothels or girl bars down there, so I figured I would pitch it to this fine group of experts and ask! If anyone has been, would love to get some context. I am seriously needing an escape from Jakarta, and the travel lockdown finishes up soon.

Thanks!

The place is a bit faded now and nowhere near as popular as it used to be (for the expat crowd anyhow). Once upon a time it was not unheard of for working girls in Jakarta to do stints down there chasing business, but I've not heard of that happening for more than 10 years now. I am sure you can find something, although it may not be top-shelf, or even mid-shelf for that matter. Probably best to take your own.

[QUOTE=JKTBanger;2559770]Hi all,

Apologies for asking here, as this isn't technically Jakarta, but it's a common holiday out of Jakarta and I didn't see a better area in the forums to ask. I'm curious if anyone has been to Cisolok, Indonesia, which is directly south on the water.

Looking at this resort:

[URL]https://karangajibeach.com-book.com/index.php[/URL]

Located here on Google Maps:

[URL]https://goo.gl/maps/oEaX7eJqmg72x3D16[/URL]

I've heard from a lot of the folks that work at the company that this is a pretty common escape from Jakarta for a long weekend. It's cheap, I hear the beach is nice, and it isn't so far outside of Jakarta. The biggest question I have is obviously whether there are any brothels or girl bars down there, so I figured I would pitch it to this fine group of experts and ask! If anyone has been, would love to get some context. I am seriously needing an escape from Jakarta, and the travel lockdown finishes up soon.

Thanks![/QUOTE]

Jaysus, they must think they have pussies lined with gold. I've seen nothing there that would warrant a payment of more than 500 k, especially in a covid-ravaged market like this. Still, there must be enough suckers with good expense accounts willing to pay for them to ask. But hey, when a guy well into his 50's can pull a decent shag from Tinder and spend less than what they are asking on the requisite night out, why would you bother?

[QUOTE=JKTBanger;2559740]I've been into EP a number of times, but haven't had much luck there. All of the ladies I've spoken to have wanted 2 million, plus another 400 k for the hotel next door, some have asked for 3 million. Any indication that was unreasonable or a little high was met with the cheap charlie accusations and the true colors come out. There have been some in there that seemed a lot more pleasant to buy a drink for and have a chat, but they really aren't lookers. I've never had a lady ask for less than 1. 5 million. I think EP is good for a drink, but not for a pick up. If those are the prices, I'll just stick to the all-in massage spots for 350-500 k.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JKTBanger;2559740]I've been into EP a number of times, but haven't had much luck there. All of the ladies I've spoken to have wanted 2 million, plus another 400 k for the hotel next door, some have asked for 3 million. Any indication that was unreasonable or a little high was met with the cheap charlie accusations and the true colors come out. There have been some in there that seemed a lot more pleasant to buy a drink for and have a chat, but they really aren't lookers. I've never had a lady ask for less than 1. 5 million. I think EP is good for a drink, but not for a pick up. If those are the prices, I'll just stick to the all-in massage spots for 350-500 k.[/QUOTE]

" 2 million, plus another 400 k for the hotel next door, some have asked for 3 million" in Indonesia! As this is in her recommended Hotel, I believe this is a short-term arrangement not for the whole night, right (?).

You will be mad to pay 2-3 million rupiahs (+400 K) for short term in Indonesia. For many people in Indonesia 2 mil equate to half month salary.

[QUOTE=JKTBanger;2557127]I went looking around a little closer to home, and found a place that is new to me and worth raising a report on. It's located almost directly across from Gandaria City Mall, here is the place:

[URL]https://goo.gl/maps/J2oT6zcqR11unc8Y7[/URL]

It's right next door to Duncan Donuts, and it looks like they have consolidated the hotel and the spa into just the hotel and removed any references to the spa. Assuming it is because of covid. They have a few girls available starting at 3 pm, and have about 20-25 girls available after 6 pm. There is a small bar / coffee shop on the ground floor, just walk straight through the little lobby / front desk area toward the back of the building. I was told that they stay open until midnight, but suspect it depends on customers.

I went there a couple days ago and again earlier today just after they opened at 3 pm. You pay 200 k for the room in the hotel, and then give the girl another 150 k after you get into the room. Neither of the two girls that I tried would accept a tip, explaining that the establishment has a strict policy against the girls asking for or accepting tips. This seemed kinda strange to me, and I tried to slide a few bills into her purse but she was pretty firm on giving it back. Strange. The place has a pretty anything goes norm I think. No problems with CIP and both girls had no issues sticking a tongue up your arse. Was all in for 350 k, and well worth it.[/QUOTE]Good find, that could easily be my first stop after my five day quarantine.

[QUOTE=Achmmc;2560362]Good find, that could easily be my first stop after my five day quarantine.[/QUOTE]Hi,

Do the girls look hood and neat and also what's the name of hotel.

Thanks.

Hi friends.

Forum is getting dull again. Very curious on the actions in Jakarta. How is the mongering situation there after Eid.

Regards.

[QUOTE=Thampi62;2560667]Hi friends.

Forum is getting dull again. Very curious on the actions in Jakarta. How is the mongering situation there after Eid.

Regards.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Thampi62;2554919]Laziness sir simply laziness. Joined in the ISG forum very long ago. Reviews in the forum always helped me in my solo monger travel in different countries. BB, you also helped me in my Jakarta trip conveying information. He he.[/QUOTE]The forum is getting dull again because some guys like to engage in meaningless talk, and when asked why they don't contribute valuable information they claim laziness. Yet they are very fast to ask for actionable intel, that makes me for one, quite reluctant to post anything that would not be classified as dull banter.

[QUOTE=EgyMongerNew;2555425]All those places you mentioned have been shut since March 2020.

The Kota Indah brothels are alive and kicking. As an added bonus, they're now for the first time ever open during Ramadan (with the exception of Starmoon).[/QUOTE]Someone please tell me Starmoon will re-open.

[QUOTE=ThingStick;2561003]Someone please tell me Starmoon will re-open.[/QUOTE]Was just there a few hours ago.

[QUOTE=MutantChicken;2560795]The forum is getting dull again because some guys like to engage in meaningless talk, and when asked why they don't contribute valuable information they claim laziness. Yet they are very fast to ask for actionable intel, that makes me for one, quite reluctant to post anything that would not be classified as dull banter.[/QUOTE]Some guys prefer sharing information, some other guys in experience. Some both. I belongs to the first group. If all the people in the world are in the same group things will be monotonous.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2560170]" 2 million, plus another 400 k for the hotel next door, some have asked for 3 million" in Indonesia! As this is in her recommended Hotel, I believe this is a short-term arrangement not for the whole night, right (?).

You will be mad to pay 2-3 million rupiahs (+400 K) for short term in Indonesia. For many people in Indonesia 2 mil equate to half month salary.[/QUOTE]Exactly why I only go to EP for the occasional drink, and very occasional at that. The impression that I get is that it's a bunch of washed up ex's in competition with other washed up ex's going for bragging rights on who could dig the most gold out of someone. Maybe it was better before my days, but since arriving in Jakarta about a year ago I have yet to really see the value of the place.

[QUOTE=Achmmc;2560362]Good find, that could easily be my first stop after my five day quarantine.[/QUOTE]Another new find just opened up, and it's almost next door from this place and even better. It seems that G2 Hotel (my earlier post), Mr. Braid Bar, and Bunker Bar in Blok M are all owned by the same guy. I went in and checkout out Mr. Braid bar and it is definitely a place worth visiting. It is located here:

[URL]https://goo.gl/maps/FSaS6Uofj96SSWds5[/URL]

They maintain a Google Drive of the girls that are working at the three locations here:

[URL]https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-EFTnTv_oNo_VAINYkKGjaG-8cKkI2_P[/URL]

Here is a paste of the WhatsApp message that they sent me, which if you visit I would recommend you asking to also get added to:

[QUOTE]
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Dc g2
Gold 400k / 60menit
Silver 270k / 60menit

Dc Braid
Gold 330k/50 menit
Gold 380k/60menit
Silver 230k/50 menit
Silver 250k/60 menit

Dc bunker blok m
Gold 310k/50 menit
Gold 360k/60 menit
Silver 210k/50 menit
Silver 230k/60 menit

LINK ABSEN FOTO
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-EFTnTv_oNo_VAINYkKGjaG-8cKkI2_P

LOKASI ;
G2 HOTEL https://g.co/kgs/7SnTXp

Mr.Braid
https://g.co/kgs/ie4rbh

D'Bunker blok m https://g.co/kgs/jPtkH2

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[/QUOTE]Mr. Braid was fun, I recommend it. They are open Monday to Saturday, closed on Sunday. Walk in the front door and walk straight to the cashier at the back. She will ask if you want 50 or 60 minutes, I got 60. Then she will lead you up a small set of stairs the the floor above which opens up into a small nightclub / bar with maybe a dozen tables. Apparently they have drinks and a girl party every night (I attached the ad they sent to the WhatsApp group), where you can get a bottle and sit at one of the tables and any of the girls will sit and drink with you, but I was there on the early side and the alcohol serving hadn't started yet. In the back corner of the same room there is an area where the girls sit waiting for customers, when I visited there were about 15-20 of them. I looked over them for a minute or two, picked a girl named Kiki and she led me up to the floor above that were they had lots of little hotel rooms. 380 k paid downstairs included the room and the girl, no tips allowed and no hints from the girl to give one. Everything went, "no" was not in the vocabulary book. Best part, when I was on the way out and walked back down to the ground floor passing the cashier she called to me waving for me to come over and I thought ok, here we go, hidden fees. To my surprise, she gave me back 50 k since I wasn't even up there for 50 minutes but paid for 60.

Talking to the girl, if you go to the parties the girls will drink off your bottle if you want them to and they will sit with you for free. You're welcome to play with them and no issues with putting your hands all over them (or in them) and if you want you can take them upstairs for the prices above. I think I need to check out Bunker Bar, as that is the only one of the three that I haven't been to.

Regardless, had a number of pretty cute girls that were a lot of fun, and everything you wanted was 330 k out there door. Also, a lot of the silver girls also looked OK, and that would have been only 230 k!

I'd recommend Mr. Braid over G2 Hotel, but since you can walk from one to the other in about 20 seconds I guess you're fine to check them both out. (but I think you're better off at Mr Braid!

[QUOTE=Sric631;2560407]Hi,

Do the girls look hood and neat and also what's the name of hotel.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Name of the hotel is G2 Hotel, located here:

[URL]https://goo.gl/maps/Zq5opZM8VkUefZ9V7[/URL]

[QUOTE=PossessedSeoul;2560100]The place is a bit faded now and nowhere near as popular as it used to be (for the expat crowd anyhow). Once upon a time it was not unheard of for working girls in Jakarta to do stints down there chasing business, but I've not heard of that happening for more than 10 years now. I am sure you can find something, although it may not be top-shelf, or even mid-shelf for that matter. Probably best to take your own.[/QUOTE]Appreciate the feedback. I am probably going to take an adventure down there just to see what it looks like. Fortunately, I don't have anything up here in Jakarta that I want to be with for longer than a few hours, so probably best I don't take my own. .

I'll arrive with extremely low expectations and see what the taxi drivers can help me discover. If nothing else, it will make for an interesting trip report!

[QUOTE=JKTBanger;2562113]Another new find just opened up, and it's almost next door from this place and even better. It seems that G2 Hotel (my earlier post), Mr. Braid Bar, and Bunker Bar in Blok M are all owned by the same guy. I went in and checkout out Mr. Braid bar and it is definitely a place worth visiting. It is located here:

[/QUOTE]Good information friend. Even if the monger touristy spots like Travel and Classic were closed, lot of new bars and party places are coming up. Even though it is meant for native people, things are more active when compared to Thai and Phil. We can also have a piece of that cake when good times comes.

[QUOTE=JKTBanger;2562113]I'd recommend Mr. Braid over G2 Hotel, but since you can walk from one to the other in about 20 seconds I guess you're fine to check them both out. (but I think you're better off at Mr Braid![/QUOTE]The police found used condoms at Mr. Braid during a raid a couple of years ago. That's surprising to me since, as far as I know, the girls there never demand a condom.

[URL]https://wartakota.tribunnews.com/2019/10/16/ada-kondom-bekas-pakai-saat-layanan-pijat-mr-braid-digeledah-selama-4-jam[/URL]

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2563638]The police found used condoms at Mr. Braid during a raid a couple of years ago. That's surprising to me since, as far as I know, the girls there never demand a condom.

[URL]https://wartakota.tribunnews.com/2019/10/16/ada-kondom-bekas-pakai-saat-layanan-pijat-mr-braid-digeledah-selama-4-jam[/URL][/QUOTE]

Well, the girls might not demand a condom, but it does not mean the customers will not use condom. Some customers do not want to do BB or any type of unprotected sex as they do not want to take a risk of getting STD or HIV infection.

The police or authority in Jakarta are either very naive and/or pretend not to know that most of massage parlour staffed by young girls have also been used for sexual activities. I guess the latter is true.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2563638]The police found used condoms at Mr. Braid during a raid a couple of years ago. That's surprising to me since, as far as I know, the girls there never demand a condom.

[URL]https://wartakota.tribunnews.com/2019/10/16/ada-kondom-bekas-pakai-saat-layanan-pijat-mr-braid-digeledah-selama-4-jam[/URL][/QUOTE]Look who it is!

You're back?

[QUOTE=Adindas;2564227]The police or authority in Jakarta are either very naive and/or pretend not to know that most of massage parlour staffed by young girls have also been used for sexual activities. I guess the latter is true.[/QUOTE]You are naive. Of course they know because they get money out of it. As for BB everybody does it here. If you don't like it go somewhere else.

Entry into Jakarta presently requires a 5 day quarantine at traveler's expense.

Not a problem regarding expense. It's the downtime that I don't much like. There are packages where the 5 nights include 3 meals per day, 5 pieces of laundry, 2 covid tests, and at the end of quarantine a Clearance Letter.

Question is, how serious is the hotel about keeping that quarantine? No visitors, no leaving your room, etc for 5 days. Can I slip the monitor a few notes and basically get around the strictness? Don't mind spending the day time working those 5 days, but at night. Would like to get visitors or take a ride down to a few places. Anyone know how these regulations are being enforced or how strictly they're being enforced?

[QUOTE=BenderOver;2565765]Question is, how serious is the hotel about keeping that quarantine? No visitors, no leaving your room, etc for 5 days. Can I slip the monitor a few notes and basically get around the strictness? Don't mind spending the day time working those 5 days, but at night. Would like to get visitors or take a ride down to a few places. Anyone know how these regulations are being enforced or how strictly they're being enforced?[/QUOTE]Several army personnel are stationed around the quarantine hotels. There would be no way for a visitor to slip in unnoticed.

[QUOTE=BenderOver;2565765]Foreigner quarantine.

Entry into Jakarta presently requires a 5 day quarantine at traveler's expense.[/QUOTE]Do you have an official link confirming this? I thought Indonesia was closed to foreigners.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2566059]Do you have an official link confirming this? I thought Indonesia was closed to foreigners.[/QUOTE]It is closed to tourists but you can come on a business visa not a tourist one.

[QUOTE=BenderOver;2565765]Question is, how serious is the hotel about keeping that quarantine? No visitors, no leaving your room, etc for 5 days. Can I slip the monitor a few notes and basically get around the strictness? Don't mind spending the day time working those 5 days, but at night. Would like to get visitors or take a ride down to a few places. Anyone know how these regulations are being enforced or how strictly they're being enforced?[/QUOTE]They are strictly enforced.

[QUOTE=BenderOver;2565765]Entry into Jakarta presently requires a 5 day quarantine at traveler's expense.

Not a problem regarding expense. It's the downtime that I don't much like. There are packages where the 5 nights include 3 meals per day, 5 pieces of laundry, 2 covid tests, and at the end of quarantine a Clearance Letter.

Question is, how serious is the hotel about keeping that quarantine? No visitors, no leaving your room, etc for 5 days. Can I slip the monitor a few notes and basically get around the strictness? Don't mind spending the day time working those 5 days, but at night. Would like to get visitors or take a ride down to a few places. Anyone know how these regulations are being enforced or how strictly they're being enforced?[/QUOTE]Its serious quarantine. In the early days you could leave your room but the rules have tightened up now. Certainly If you choose a good hotel theres no monkey business. You may get some latitude in the more downmarket hotels but you also get free cockroaches in your room. OS has done the 5 days and asked the same questions but it isn't on the menu.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2566059]Do you have an official link confirming this? I thought Indonesia was closed to foreigners.[/QUOTE]It's closed to foreigners but with a list of exceptions. I can apply for a business visa and I'm also an APEC card holder. Need to head there for one day's worth of meetings and plan to stay for a few more days to take a break but locked in my room alone wasn't how I planned on those extra days.

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2566087]Its serious quarantine. In the early days you could leave your room but the rules have tightened up now. Certainly If you choose a good hotel theres no monkey business. You may get some latitude in the more downmarket hotels but you also get free cockroaches in your room. OS has done the 5 days and asked the same questions but it isn't on the menu.[/QUOTE]Orchards has a 5 juta rupiah plan and everyone loves that hotel. Kekeke.

AFAIK it's only open to foreigners with KITAS, KITAP or certain business visas. I have heard from an unreliable source that you can come on a 6-month B2 A11 business visa, at a cost of USD 500, but you might want to check with your nearest Indonesian diplomatic mission. Tourism doesn't look like opening up until 2022.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2566059]Do you have an official link confirming this? I thought Indonesia was closed to foreigners.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Muzungufotsy;2564744]You are naive. Of course they know because they get money out of it. As for BB everybody does it here. If you don't like it go somewhere else.[/QUOTE]

Well, when did I say I do not like BB? And How could you know "everybody" does BB in Jakarta?? Do you watch them while having sex??

I will go to wherever I want to go and will not be influenced by someone I do not know on ISG.

OS had the privelige of three weeks in Jakarta in May after 15 months dreaming of it.

Emerging from quarantine for the last few days of ramadan to a twitter only playing field. The twitter accounts are these days quite well organised as a commercial enterprise. Nonetheless, OS soon found a young lady holed up in a kos in Mangga Besar who was prepared to sit upon his big thing sans condom for 1. 5 M, then straight away she pulls the old "Sebentar I just need to clean up my room" trick while she takes another customer / Chats with her friends / Goes shopping.

Forty minutes later OS is already some 10 km from Mangga Besar and tells her to forget it for the day and she is like "Hello!, I'm ready now". "Well that's too bad baby, ya shoulda cleaned ya room faster".

OS has always been a fan of Kelapa Gading. This area has it all and hasn't disappointed post covid. Starting with Sumo, Kings Cross and MTR2 all within a stones throw, to the Tanjung Priok bars 10 minutes by ojek and then the hard core lokalisasi's like Rawa Malang and PLTU another short ride. The area has it all. OS, having become a little more sophisticated in his older years just played around in Kings Cross and MTR 2 for a couple of nights. Plenty of bb on offer. Lots of young maidens who have been feeling the economic pinch of the last 15 months who were happy to accommodate OS's carnal desires.

For hotels there is Santika nearby, Harris at Mall Kelapa Gading and lots and lots of good food available in the streets. Six ounces coffee does coffee to rival anything you will find anywhere. All in all. Not bad at all.

The 5 days quarantine cramps one's style a little but when faced with two weeks in a lot of other countries and even 3 weeks now for Vietnam. 5 days in Jakarta doesn't seem too bad, Especially considering the delights at the end.

OS.

[QUOTE=PossessedSeoul;2566136]Tourism doesn't look like opening up until 2022.[/QUOTE]With the way local media and politicians like to use foreigners as the scapegoat for any slight increase in infections I don't see that happening.

I'd come on a Business Visa soon before it's scraped altogether.

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2566452]OS had the privelige of three weeks in Jakarta in May after 15 months dreaming of it.

<snip>

OS has always been a fan of Kelapa Gading. This area has it all and hasn't disappointed post covid. Starting with Sumo, Kings Cross and MTR2 all within a stones throw, to the Tanjung Priok bars 10 minutes by ojek and then the hard core lokalisasi's like Rawa Malang and PLTU another short ride. The area has it all. OS, having become a little more sophisticated in his older years just played around in Kings Cross and MTR 2 for a couple of nights. Plenty of bb on offer. Lots of young maidens who have been feeling the economic pinch of the last 15 months who were happy to accommodate OS's carnal desires. [/QUOTE]Thanks for posting OS. It is very encouraging to hear the current scene in Kelapa Gading is ongoing. I always enjoyed my nights at Kings Cross and Sumo.

[QUOTE=EgyMongerNew;2566567]With the way local media and politicians like to use foreigners as the scapegoat for any slight increase in infections I don't see that happening.

I'd come on a Business Visa soon before it's scraped altogether.[/QUOTE]

Nice shot mate, nice cumshot in pus*y cream pie !. It seems that pie will need more cream to look more exciting seeing the cream dripping.
I remember Peter North, a legendary creampie pornstar produce a recipe to produce more cream such as consuming maca (Peruvian ginseng) as part of the diet.
Apart from Indonesia and some SE Asia countries, I wonder where anywhere else, you could get CIP as a standard??
IMHO, when you already commit to do a BB you need to be able to CIP. Otherwise, there is no point of doing BB, really.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2567047]Nice shot mate, nice creampie, cum in pus*y! . Apart from Indonesia and soem SE Asia countries, I wonder where anywhere else, you could get CIP as a standard??

IMHO, when you do a BB you need to be able to CIP other wise, there is no point of doing BB.[/QUOTE]Indonesia - 100%.

Philippines - 100%.

Cambodia - 100%.

Laos - 100%.

Tunisia - 100%.

Morocco - 100%.

Vietnam - 30%.

Thailand - 50% (used to be higher pre-2012).

Colombia - 40%.

Hungary, Czechia, Ukraine, etc. - 5%.

[QUOTE=OffshoreSwell;2566452]OS had the privelige of three weeks in Jakarta in May after 15 months dreaming of it....OS.[/QUOTE]Thanks OS. Excellent and very helpful post.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2567047] IMHO, when you already commit to do a BB you need to be able to CIP. Otherwise, there is no point of doing BB, really.[/QUOTE]I think you underestimate immensely CIM!

[QUOTE=Menteng;2567075]I think you underestimate immensely CIM![/QUOTE]

Well, I respect that some people like CIM. CIM will significantly reduce the chance to get infected by HIV and / or STD.
But to me I prefer CIP when I believe it is safe to do so. Also, I fully believe EgyMongerNew will disagree with you.
Since the creation of our ancestors, pus1es have always be intended to be creampied, mouths & tongue are for eating and Licking. So we should use our mouths & tongue to eat and lick pus1 es and use our syringe body part to creampie those pus1es.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2567115] Also, I fully believe EgyMongerNew will disagree with you.[/QUOTE]Believe it or not it is actually easier to get BBFS+CIP than it is CIM.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2567115]Well, I respect that some people like CIM. CIM will significantly reduce the chance to get infected by HIV and / or STD.
But to me I prefer CIP when I believe it is safe to do so. Also, I fully believe EgyMongerNew will disagree with you.
Since the creation of our ancestors, pus1es have always be intended to be creampied, mouths & tongue are for eating and Licking. So we should use our mouths & tongue to eat and lick pus1 es and use our syringe body part to creampie those pus1es.[/QUOTE]Well, enjoy your meal, eating and licking a pussy of a working girl in those parts of Jakarta. LOL.

[QUOTE=EgyMongerNew;2567143]Believe it or not it is actually easier to get BBFS+CIP than it is CIM.[/QUOTE]I think it must have been since I reached my 70th birthday. Less stamina etc. So, since a couple of years, I'm always there for a BBBJ, AR and CIM. And it always has been a hit, when I asked for it. My experience is, that when they do AR, CIM is included.

[QUOTE=Menteng;2567464]Well, enjoy your meal, eating and licking a pussy of a working girl in those parts of Jakarta. LOL.[/QUOTE]

Thanks. I will keep enjoying my exotic meal, meaty puss1es. For some people eating puss1es are already part of their diets. It is even more important than BBBJ. I like the meat to be juicy, tender and pink.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2568703]Thanks. I will keep enjoying my exotic meal, meaty puss1es. For some people eating puss1es are already part of their diets. It is even more important than BBBJ. I like the meat to be juicy, tender and pink.[/QUOTE]Hmmm, it makes me wonder if you have ever ventured to those parts of Jakarta. Or even to Jakarta itself. Also, considering you don't want to play Russian Roulette, as you have written not so long ago. Besides, does it occur to you that you might be eating a pussy that was creampied a short while before that by some random john?

[QUOTE=Menteng;2568957]Besides, does it occur to you that you might be eating a pussy that was creampied a short while before that by some random john?[/QUOTE]If you happen to DATY at any of the bordellos or even freelancers, that it guaranteed.

[QUOTE=Menteng;2568957]Hmmm, it makes me wonder if you have ever ventured to those parts of Jakarta. Or even to Jakarta itself. Also, considering you don't want to play Russian Roulette, as you have written not so long ago. Besides, does it occur to you that you might be eating a pussy that was creampied a short while before that by some random john?[/QUOTE]Well I have been to many part of Indonesia, including Jakarta a few times.

I have read view articlse about HIV. The chance you will be infected by HIV via oral sex is very low, because the wonder of your saliva.

They always take a shower priror to the action. So you always ask them to clean that private part pssoibly with antiseptic soap.

Licking puss1 es / exotic meat is already part of my diet, LOL. I only do BB when I think it is reasonable safe.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2569257]Well I have been to many part of Indonesia, including Jakarta a few times.

I have read view articlse about HIV. The chance you will be infected by HIV via oral sex is very low, because the wonder of your saliva.

They always take a shower priror to the action. So you always ask them to clean that private part pssoibly with antiseptic soap.

Licking puss1 es / exotic meat is already part of my diet, LOL. I only do BB when I think it is reasonable safe.[/QUOTE]Better be an early bird or hold the chicas overnight for DATY. Otherwise bad thoughts can disrupt the charm of it.

[QUOTE=EgyMongerNew;2567050]Indonesia - 100%.

Philippines - 100%.

Cambodia - 100%.

Laos - 100%.

Tunisia - 100%.

Morocco - 100%.

Vietnam - 30%.

Thailand - 50% (used to be higher pre-2012).

Colombia - 40%.

Hungary, Czechia, Ukraine, etc. - 5%.[/QUOTE]Interesting data. Thank you for sharing!

Here is some anecdotal evidence from me (BBFS + CIP):

Germany. Asked for it once and got it. She was a smoking hot Romanian streetwalker and we did it in a car. She told me not to CIP, but I disobeyed. Otherwise, I always wore a condom.

Morocco. Tried P4P once and got. When we started, she asked surprised "pas de capote? But was ok with it.

Philippines. Once in a brothel. Got chlamydia.

Jakarta. One night stand with no money involved. After I came inside she told me to pull out next time, and next time I obeyed (even thought she claimed to be on the pill). I got chlamydia for the second time, but I'm not 100% sure if it was from her.

An important lesson learned is that STDs are a very real danger. Chlamydia is nothing, but I am now afraid of more serious stuff.

Question to Egy Monger New: do you think the women who let you CIP use contraception or they just don't care and are happy to have kids from a random man?

I was reading on some of the other countries in this forum (mostly Kenya) about how guys eat PrEP medicine every day, which allows them to bareback without any real risk of HIV. It seems that it's widely available in other countries, but I haven't been able to find anywhere in Jakarta that sells it.

I'm working if anyone knows where I can a supply of PrEP pills in Jakarta?

[QUOTE=GeoExplorer;2572481]
Question to Egy Monger New: do you think the women who let you CIP use contraception or they just don't care and are happy to have kids from a random man?[/QUOTE]Contraceptives are far easier and cheaper in Indo than say the Philippines. However, few working girls are bothered. Most of the hard core girls have had so many doses and coat hanger abortions that they are far less likely to fall pregnant than your average girl. I know of many working girls-done-good who struggled to fall pregnant even after settling down.

Of course, rogue pregnancies do happen but it's a risk many seem to be willing to take.

[QUOTE=JKTBanger;2573175]I was reading on some of the other countries in this forum (mostly Kenya) about how guys eat PrEP medicine every day, which allows them to bareback without any real risk of HIV. It seems that it's widely available in other countries, but I haven't been able to find anywhere in Jakarta that sells it.

I'm working if anyone knows where I can a supply of PrEP pills in Jakarta?[/QUOTE]I wouldn't buy it in some shitty 3rd world farmacia or not shitty farmacia.

Buy it in the developed world or don't buy it.

Its critical that you are get 100% of the active ingredients.

I'm guessing you wouldn't buy antibiotics or chemo drugs in the 3rd world.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2573943]I wouldn't buy it in some shitty 3rd world farmacia or not shitty farmacia.

Buy it in the developed world or don't buy it.

Its critical that you are get 100% of the active ingredients.

I'm guessing you wouldn't buy antibiotics or chemo drugs in the 3rd world.[/QUOTE]Well, sure, if I was making a trip here for holiday then yea. But I am living in Jakarta and travel isn't so easy at the moment. I guess part of the question was if anyone knows of a reputable place to buy it? I've messaged a few of the clinics that I found online, but they all say that it isn't available at their clinic and that their patients get it overseas, and I have read that some places / clinics will order it from overseas, but I am not in the know of where to go to get the 3 month supply that I am hearing about.

I'm not sure if ordering it online is any safer than buying it from a random clinic. But since I do love barebacking these girls from time to time, it would be great to find something. Also, I have gotten antibiotics out here lots of times, and assuming it is the right antibiotic for what you are needing to treat, it has always worked out fine. I haven't encountered fakes if that is what you're implying.

But, I do hear you that for how much is at stake it makes sense to find a reputable source. Which is exactly what I am trying to do.

[QUOTE=Menteng;2568957]Hmmm, it makes me wonder if you have ever ventured to those parts of Jakarta. Or even to Jakarta itself. Also, considering you don't want to play Russian Roulette, as you have written not so long ago. Besides, does it occur to you that you might be eating a pussy that was creampied a short while before that by some random john?[/QUOTE]Reminds me of a joke:

A guy going down on a pro and comes across a pea. Thinks that's a bit odd but keeps licking. Soon he comes across a piece of meat. He raises his head and asks 'are you sick, I've just come across a pea and a piece of meat in your pussy. ' She says 'no but the guy before you was. '

[QUOTE=JKTBanger;2573175]I was reading on some of the other countries in this forum (mostly Kenya) about how guys eat PrEP medicine every day, which allows them to bareback without any real risk of HIV. It seems that it's widely available in other countries, but I haven't been able to find anywhere in Jakarta that sells it.

I'm working if anyone knows where I can a supply of PrEP pills in Jakarta?[/QUOTE]How hard did you look for it? One google search query and I found dozens of sources, including multiple sellers on Indonesia's most popular online marketplace.

[QUOTE=JKTBanger;2574113]Well, sure, if I was making a trip here for holiday then yea. But I am living in Jakarta and travel isn't so easy at the moment. I guess part of the question was if anyone knows of a reputable place to buy it? I've messaged a few of the clinics that I found online, but they all say that it isn't available at their clinic and that their patients get it overseas, and I have read that some places / clinics will order it from overseas, but I am not in the know of where to go to get the 3 month supply that I am hearing about.

I'm not sure if ordering it online is any safer than buying it from a random clinic. But since I do love barebacking these girls from time to time, it would be great to find something. Also, I have gotten antibiotics out here lots of times, and assuming it is the right antibiotic for what you are needing to treat, it has always worked out fine. I haven't encountered fakes if that is what you're implying.

But, I do hear you that for how much is at stake it makes sense to find a reputable source. Which is exactly what I am trying to do.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.iwantprepnow.co.uk/[/URL]

Have a look at the stores linked to by this website. They've tested the offerings and I've had good dealings with one (Green Cross Pharmacy.)

Most of the sites linked post internationally and are aware of the requirements for different countries.

[QUOTE=Hilo77;2574301]How hard did you look for it? One google search query and I found dozens of sources, including multiple sellers on Indonesia's most popular online marketplace.[/QUOTE]I've been doing my research. As I mentioned, I am wanting to find a reputable source. I am aware of a lot of the websites that send around Chinese copies that work sometimes, internet pharmacies are always hit or miss unless you're going with a well known one like GoodRx (which unfortunately doesn't ship to Jakarta), or one of the big chains like CVS or Walgreens (which also don't ship to Jakarta).

I did contact the following clinics in Jakarta, which are pretty well known and are the main locations for HIV testing:

[URL]http://angsamerah.com/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.balimedika.com/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.iac.or.id/[/URL]

[URL]http://www.testjkt.org/[/URL]

They either didn't respond at all, or responded that it is not available in Indonesia and that people need to bring it with them overseas.

I did finally find a clinic that is associated with a LGBT group in Europe that ships to Jakarta. From Googling, they seem fairly reputable.

Posting this here for anyone else who might be interested, you can reach them at:

[EMAIL]lgbtworldorg@gmail.com[/EMAIL].

[QUOTE]
Hi,

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[QUOTE=JKTBanger;2573175]I was reading on some of the other countries in this forum (mostly Kenya) about how guys eat PrEP medicine every day, which allows them to bareback without any real risk of HIV. It seems that it's widely available in other countries, but I haven't been able to find anywhere in Jakarta that sells it.

I'm working if anyone knows where I can a supply of PrEP pills in Jakarta?[/QUOTE]My gay coworker in US was on PrEP. He mentioned it casually once, but I did not ask about the details. Gay forums on the internet may be a good source of information.

From what I understood, PrEP is essentially HIV medication taken by a person without HIV and just like any drug can have potentially dangerous side effects. You might need to be monitored by a doctor while you're on it for stuff like liver or kidney damage.

It goes without saying that talking to an actual doctor is a good way of getting medical advice.

[QUOTE=JKTBanger;2574378]I've been doing my research. [/QUOTE]Have you? Why do you think you need it? The guys in the Kenyan forum discuss it only because they are banging girls from the Kibera slums, where HIV is prevalent. It's not applicable here. Here it is predominantly gay men that use PreP. There's a reason for that, here is some data for you on HIV transmissions. [URL]https://www.healthline.com/health/hiv-aids/hiv-transmission-rates[/URL]#transmission-through-sex. Insertive penile vaginal sex has a relative slim chance for transmission, as opposed to receptive anal sex. Unless you are planning on visiting Taman Lawang, do you really need it?

I'd be more concerned about resistant super strains of common STD's. If you are engaging freelancers. For barebacking the unexperienced, I'd rate "fallen angels" number one (check out that little white pengemis begging at blok M square).

[QUOTE=GDreams;2574119]Reminds me of a joke:

A guy going down on a pro and comes across a pea. Thinks that's a bit odd but keeps licking. Soon he comes across a piece of meat. He raises his head and asks 'are you sick, I've just come across a pea and a piece of meat in your pussy. ' She says 'no but the guy before you was. '[/QUOTE]Excellent! Maybe that's what he meant by "exotic meat is already part of my diet".

[QUOTE=GDreams;2574119]Reminds me of a joke:

A guy going down on a pro and comes across a pea. Thinks that's a bit odd but keeps licking. Soon he comes across a piece of meat. He raises his head and asks 'are you sick, I've just come across a pea and a piece of meat in your pussy. ' She says 'no but the guy before you was. '[/QUOTE]

Well, you will ask them to take a shower and clean that private part before taking the action. Not many people like smelly puss*, do they?? If you know that private part is stinky, which sometimes happen when they are around the end of their preriods you do not want your nose anywhere near that area.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2575683]Excellent! Maybe that's what he meant by "exotic meat is already part of my diet".[/QUOTE]
LOL, is it not true to many mongers?? Many mongers would rather not have BBBJ than not have the chance to lick that exotic meat. Let alone if that piece of meat is pink, juicy, and tender.

[QUOTE=TommySuharto;2575419]Have you? Why do you think you need it? The guys in the Kenyan forum discuss it only because they are banging girls from the Kibera slums, where HIV is prevalent. It's not applicable here. Here it is predominantly gay men that use PreP. There's a reason for that, here is some data for you on HIV transmissions. [URL]https://www.healthline.com/health/hiv-aids/hiv-transmission-rates[/URL]#transmission-through-sex. Insertive penile vaginal sex has a relative slim chance for transmission, as opposed to receptive anal sex. Unless you are planning on visiting Taman Lawang, do you really need it?

I'd be more concerned about resistant super strains of common STD's. If you are engaging freelancers. For barebacking the unexperienced, I'd rate "fallen angels" number one (check out that little white pengemis begging at blok M square).[/QUOTE]

Good article and to the point.

"Living with HIV and taking antiretroviral therapy can reduce the risk of transmission by up to 96 percent Trusted Source. ".

So, this could also mean that in a country where you could get antiretroviral for free as part of the healthcare system, the risk of getting infected by HIV is very low. Unless they are junkies or not acting rationally anyone infected with HIV will take antiretroviral regularly as it is about their own life. Any comment on this please??

So, surprise surprise surprise, G2, by Gandaria, was operating subrosa the last few days, sharing information only over What's App. But apparently, someone noticed the 75 billion motorcycles parked out front and figured out hey, the spa is open. The cops raided the place; it's now closed.

No word on whether the strike team figured out if Mr Braid, three doors down, is also still open.

[URL]https://megapolitan.kompas.com/read/2021/07/06/06381441/polisi-gerebek-tempat-spa-di-jakarta-selatan-15-terapis-ditangkap[/URL]

[QUOTE=OmBule;2577376]So, surprise surprise surprise, G2, by Gandaria, was operating subrosa the last few days, sharing information only over What's App. But apparently, someone noticed the 75 billion motorcycles parked out front and figured out hey, the spa is open. The cops raided the place; it's now closed.

No word on whether the strike team figured out if Mr Braid, three doors down, is also still open.

[URL]https://megapolitan.kompas.com/read/2021/07/06/06381441/polisi-gerebek-tempat-spa-di-jakarta-selatan-15-terapis-ditangkap[/URL][/QUOTE]Oh that's why they removed all the photos of the girls from their google drive. Hopefully braid stays open, was hoping to visit them when the country reopens. You think its a permanent closure?

[QUOTE=ILuvThePussy;2579047]Oh that's why they removed all the photos of the girls from their google drive. Hopefully braid stays open, was hoping to visit them when the country reopens. You think its a permanent closure?[/QUOTE]Recently arrived back in Jakarta and am dealing with this mandatory quarantine, which really sucks but I guess it is worth the trip to get vaccinated. Or so they say. I saw this post, which is a real bummer because G2 and Braid had become my local go to spots. I'm locked up in a hotel for another week, but curious to know if anything is open (G2, Braid, or otherwise.) or if it's crickets?

We'll know later this week, it seems the PPKM conditions are being relaxed slightly, but not much. I've just come back to the big durian from the Bush and the first week was all tumbleweeds rolling down the streets. Luckily Friday night I was able to utilize a private bar at a friend's workplace in Central Jakarta, but there were no options apart from that. Suffice to say I've been getting more pussy out in the sticks and coming back to the capital, which used to be a treat, is a bit of a chore now. Sources inform that EP and Star Deli will be open from 1600 to 2000 and I am hoping the shenanigans will carry on behind closed doors as per usual. I don't go to the places you mentioned, but I would imagine they would be a few weeks away from operating as they had previously. Roll on back to work and turning the tap on for that sweet, dark eastern pussy!

[QUOTE=JKTBanger;2590043]Recently arrived back in Jakarta and am dealing with this mandatory quarantine, which really sucks but I guess it is worth the trip to get vaccinated. Or so they say. I saw this post, which is a real bummer because G2 and Braid had become my local go to spots. I'm locked up in a hotel for another week, but curious to know if anything is open (G2, Braid, or otherwise.) or if it's crickets?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JKTBanger;2574378]I've been doing my research. As I mentioned, I am wanting to find a reputable source. I am aware of a lot of the websites that send around Chinese copies that work sometimes, internet pharmacies are always hit or miss unless you're going with a well known one like GoodRx (which unfortunately doesn't ship to Jakarta), or one of the big chains like CVS or Walgreens (which also don't ship to Jakarta).

I did contact the following clinics in Jakarta, which are pretty well known and are the main locations for HIV testing:

[URL]http://angsamerah.com/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.balimedika.com/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.iac.or.id/[/URL]

[URL]http://www.testjkt.org/[/URL]

They either didn't respond at all, or responded that it is not available in Indonesia and that people need to bring it with them overseas.

I did finally find a clinic that is associated with a LGBT group in Europe that ships to Jakarta. From Googling, they seem fairly reputable.

Posting this here for anyone else who might be interested, you can reach them at:

[EMAIL]lgbtworldorg@gmail.com[/EMAIL].[/QUOTE]Try [URL]www.iwantprepnow.co.uk[/URL].

They tested the major offerings from postal suppliers. I sourced from them. Quick delivery and reasonably priced.

[QUOTE=OmBule;2577376]So, surprise surprise surprise, G2, by Gandaria, was operating subrosa the last few days, sharing information only over What's App. But apparently, someone noticed the 75 billion motorcycles parked out front and figured out hey, the spa is open. The cops raided the place; it's now closed.

No word on whether the strike team figured out if Mr Braid, three doors down, is also still open.

[URL]https://megapolitan.kompas.com/read/2021/07/06/06381441/polisi-gerebek-tempat-spa-di-jakarta-selatan-15-terapis-ditangkap[/URL][/QUOTE]Unfortunately, it looks like the the'Bunker Bar was also caught up in this raid. It is under the same ownership, and according to Google and the signs on door when I dropped by last night they are closed for good. Let's hope that G2 and Mr. Braid aren't of the same fate.

[URL]https://goo.gl/maps/8XuQP1kZt8bMM6yh7[/URL]

Sad to see so many of these places falling apart. At this point, I wonder if places like Travelers, Classic, etc. Might be gone for good.

[QUOTE=JKTBanger;2593233]Unfortunately, it looks like the the'Bunker Bar was also caught up in this raid. It is under the same ownership, and according to Google and the signs on door when I dropped by last night they are closed for good. Let's hope that G2 and Mr. Braid aren't of the same fate.

[URL]https://goo.gl/maps/8XuQP1kZt8bMM6yh7[/URL]

Sad to see so many of these places falling apart. At this point, I wonder if places like Travelers, Classic, etc. Might be gone for good.[/QUOTE]Brother JKTBanger I'm wondering if 1001 is already open for business do you know that place brother its in kota tua?

[QUOTE=Blacka0;2593712]Brother JKTBanger I'm wondering if 1001 is already open for business do you know that place brother its in kota tua?[/QUOTE]I know of it, but haven't been out of South Jakarta since the lockdown was announced. I'd be curious to know if anyone has been there recently, or if anywhere is open, but from what I am aware of everything is shutdown. Last weekend I was stopped and hassled by the police for being out past curfew, which is apparently at 9 pm. After a bit of listening and a lot of apologizing they finally let me go with a warning since where they stopped me was almost in front of my apartment building.

I think everything is going to be very locked down until the 26th of this month, when we'll see if they lift all of these regulations.

Does anyone know of anywhere open? I am really missing G2 and Braid!

[QUOTE=JKTBanger;2594036]I know of it, but haven't been out of South Jakarta since the lockdown was announced. I'd be curious to know if anyone has been there recently, or if anywhere is open, but from what I am aware of everything is shutdown. Last weekend I was stopped and hassled by the police for being out past curfew, which is apparently at 9 pm. After a bit of listening and a lot of apologizing they finally let me go with a warning since where they stopped me was almost in front of my apartment building.

I think everything is going to be very locked down until the 26th of this month, when we'll see if they lift all of these regulations.

Does anyone know of anywhere open? I am really missing G2 and Braid![/QUOTE]Hi bro,

If you like south Jakarta I suggest you go to dheaven in widjaja centre.

Ruko Grand Wijaya Center Blok F37-B40, RT. 6/ RW. 1, Pulo, Kec. Kby. Baru, Kota Jakarta Selatan, Daerah Khusus Ibukota Jakarta 12160, Indonesia.

I love this place because you can massage en fuck the girls and the second they are open from 11:00 that makes its really good.

Its 350.000 for the girl.

405.000 for the room.

So total 755.000 rp.

Last time I went to Dewi she was very good, small tits, tight pussy can suck very good and deep.

And if you are finished you can go to the beginning of the street and eat delicious sate at Kenanga (Chinese restaurant).

[QUOTE=Blacka0;2595693]Hi bro,

If you like south Jakarta I suggest you go to dheaven in widjaja centre.

Ruko Grand Wijaya Center Blok F37-B40, RT. 6/ RW. 1, Pulo, Kec. Kby. Baru, Kota Jakarta Selatan, Daerah Khusus Ibukota Jakarta 12160, Indonesia.

I love this place because you can massage en fuck the girls and the second they are open from 11:00 that makes its really good.

Its 350.000 for the girl.

405.000 for the room.

So total 755.000 rp.

Last time I went to Dewi she was very good, small tits, tight pussy can suck very good and deep.

And if you are finished you can go to the beginning of the street and eat delicious sate at Kenanga (Chinese restaurant).[/QUOTE]Is it open now? Have you been there recently?

Anyone know a pharmacy in South Jakarta where one can buy cialis OTC?

[QUOTE=PossessedSeoul;2596253]Anyone know a pharmacy in South Jakarta where one can buy cialis OTC?[/QUOTE]I used to buy them at Blok M Square. Then again, that was a few years ago. I have no idea what Blok M Square looks like during these times.

[QUOTE=PossessedSeoul;2596253]Anyone know a pharmacy in South Jakarta where one can buy cialis OTC?[/QUOTE]There is a website that starts with the Indonesian word for "shop" and ends in "pedia".

It has a search function.

Fill your boots.

Thanks, but for a number of reasons I won't go into, I am looking to buy them OTC.

[QUOTE=Hilo77;2596639]There is a website that starts with the Indonesian word for "shop" and ends in "pedia".

It has a search function.

Fill your boots.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PossessedSeoul;2596653]Thanks, but for a number of reasons I won't go into, I am looking to buy them OTC.[/QUOTE]I know if you go to kota on JL. Gajah mada and at night on the main street you have the street vendors with the blue wooden stalls they sell all kinds of pills also Viagra, Cialis but if those pills are real I don't know for sure because I never tried them, I used to buy them safe in the mall at guardian or a Watson.

[QUOTE=PossessedSeoul;2596253]Anyone know a pharmacy in South Jakarta where one can buy cialis OTC?[/QUOTE]I used to get them at a pharmacy right on Falatehan Street next to the old Top Gun. No questions asked.

[QUOTE=PossessedSeoul;2596253]Anyone know a pharmacy in South Jakarta where one can buy cialis OTC?[/QUOTE]This is the one on JL. Falatehan St. Sign says APOTEK.

[QUOTE=PossessedSeoul;2596253]Anyone know a pharmacy in South Jakarta where one can buy cialis OTC?[/QUOTE]Where about in South Jakarta are you staying? I've bought from Apotek Terogong when I've stayed in the Kristal Hotel. Have also bought from the Guardian Chemist in Senayan Plaza and Pondok Indah Mall. Found it easier to buy over the counter in Jakarta than in Bali were they would be a little more stringent. But even then walked into the Guardian Chemist in Discovery Mall first thing one morning and they just had a pile of boxes on the counter with whom I took was the pharmacist twiddling one in his hands. Ended up with a couple of those boxes without any questions.

Guys.

There are thousands of pharmacies in Jakarta.

You can buy Cialis or Viagra in any of them.

Is there anything else worth discussing on this thread or should we just shut up shop now and call it a day?

[QUOTE=Hilo77;2597378]Guys.

There are thousands of pharmacies in Jakarta.

You can buy Cialis or Viagra in any of them.

Is there anything else worth discussing on this thread or should we just shut up shop now and call it a day?[/QUOTE]Probably not until somebody opens a border or two.

Opens tomorrow.

[QUOTE=JKTBanger;2599279]Opens tomorrow.[/QUOTE]Please make sure to take nude photos of the girls you do there, and share them on the forum.

Izzi Massage.

I haven't called that number in a while, but the last time I did the chick gave a great oily cock and balls massage before sex.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2599306]Please make sure to take nude photos of the girls you do there, and share them on the forum.[/QUOTE]Sorry, I don't have the paid privileges to see photos on the forum and I'm not bitcoin aware enough to get them. I'll have to contribute with my updates and leave the pictures to everyones imagination!

[QUOTE=JKTBanger;2604152]Sorry, I don't have the paid privileges to see photos on the forum and I'm not bitcoin aware enough to get them. I'll have to contribute with my updates and leave the pictures to everyones imagination![/QUOTE]You can still post your photos. You just won't be able to view them after you post them.

[QUOTE=JKTBanger;2558113]I'm not familiar with the spas in Kelapa Gading, and a quick Google Maps search didn't really turn up much. I tend to search for Bar and Massage as those seem to be where the fun is. If I am making the trip, I leave feeling ripped off if I have to wait through an hour of back rubbing only for an average hand job. That normally doesn't even keep me hard. Last thing I want is a massage if it isn't a brothel in disguise. If you are aware of some good places in that area, I am happy to scout them out and report back.

Most of the places I massage places I have been going to are in South Jakarta as it is a little closer to home. There are a few decent ones around Blok M that are open, and one near Gandaria Mall that I reported on a few posts back that has been fun.

I'd love to find some of the more extreme places. I read posts from the past about guys fucking on the side of rail road tracks or in shanties under a bridge. I'd love to find some of these areas, but from the exploring I've done it seems like it is recently shut down or is a relic of a past era. If anyone has any advise, I am all ears![/QUOTE]When things start to reopen you should see if Kings cross, Sumo spa and hotel or MTR2 bar are open, all were a lot of fun to visit in Kelapa Gading before the covid shutdown.

I think the railroad track brothels were all shut down a few months ago, when I visited them over a year ago the quality of the talent was very poor but the price I was quoted was only 200 k, I passed on the offers but it was worth a look for the experience.

Does this mean that Indonesia is opening up for vaccinated visitors? Does anyone know?

[URL]https://indonesien.ahk.de/en/infocenter/news/news-details/indonesia-reopens-borders[/URL]

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2606441]Does this mean that Indonesia is opening up for vaccinated visitors? Does anyone know?

[URL]https://indonesien.ahk.de/en/infocenter/news/news-details/indonesia-reopens-borders[/URL][/QUOTE]With the climate change agenda and the Davos crowd having a tight grip on Indonesia's affairs, opening its borders at this stage is wishful thinking. In fact, it won't even happen in 2022.

The only way in currently is to blow 11 million IDR on a B211 A e-visa through one of the visa agencies which allows you to stay up to 6 months. You'll still need to be fully vaccinated with QR code, do 3 PCRs and endure 8 days of (strict) quarantine in one of the many overpriced hotels with crappy tasteless meals and no balcony (looking at about another 10 million IDR for the cheapest hotel on offer). So about $1500 just to get in.

For the countless submissive and sweet 18 and 19 year old LBFMs that are perfectly fine with BBFS+CIP, it's probably worth it though. Especially if you're planning on doing the full 6 months.

[QUOTE=EgyMongerNew;2606462]With the climate change agenda and the Davos crowd having a tight grip on Indonesia's affairs, opening its borders at this stage is wishful thinking. In fact, it won't even happen in 2022.

The only way in currently is to blow 11 million IDR on a B211 A e-visa through one of the visa agencies which allows you to stay up to 6 months. You'll still need to be fully vaccinated with QR code, do 3 PCRs and endure 8 days of (strict) quarantine in one of the many overpriced hotels with crappy tasteless meals and no balcony (looking at about another 10 million IDR for the cheapest hotel on offer). So about $1500 just to get in.

For the countless submissive and sweet 18 and 19 year old LBFMs that are perfectly fine with BBFS+CIP, it's probably worth it though. Especially if you're planning on doing the full 6 months.[/QUOTE]That strict 8 days quarantine is a definite no-go. That is too bad as I was hoping they can waive the quarantine requirement for those who are fully vaxxed.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2606472]I was hoping they can waive the quarantine requirement for those who are fully vaxxed.[/QUOTE]Haven't you heard? The current narrative is that even fully vaxxed people can still get covid, transmit covid, and die of covid. But they still need to get a booster shot every 6 months or so.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2606787]Haven't you heard? The current narrative is that even fully vaxxed people can still get covid, transmit covid, and die of covid. But they still need to get a booster shot every 6 months or so.[/QUOTE]I thought every subforum has its own stupid shit in. Thread. This definitely deserves to be on the front page of any tabloid newspaper. Haven't read something stupid like this in a long time. You ignore that it is unlikely to die hospitalize or transmit bc the viral load is weaker if you have a decent vaccine and are infected. Even if you need to refresh the vaccine every 6 months it makes economical sense to just get cause its free and the piece of mind when going abroad alone is just worth IMO.

[QUOTE=Bienenstich;2607815]I thought every subforum has its own stupid shit in. Thread. This definitely deserves to be on the front page of any tabloid newspaper. Haven't read something stupid like this in a long time. You ignore that it is unlikely to die hospitalize or transmit bc the viral load is weaker if you have a decent vaccine and are infected. Even if you need to refresh the vaccine every 6 months it makes economical sense to just get cause its free and the piece of mind when going abroad alone is just worth IMO.[/QUOTE]First of all, most tabloid newspapers are more accurate than CNN these days. But my intention was simply to point out the current narrative. Which I did accurately. It's naive to think getting the vaccine will do anything to help you avoid being quarantined. Whether the vaccine is actually a benefit to your health or not relative to the risks of getting a vaccine that has not been fully tested is a different topic.

The current reality is that even if you get sick or just test positive for covid, then recover from covid so that you have natural immunity, the narrative is that they still want you to get the vaccine. So whether you already have a strong immunity from recovering from covid or have whether you have not had covid yet, since you are a "good citizen" you may go ahead and get vaccinated (twice in some cases if it's an mRNA vaccine) to follow the advice of the narrative. You may even get a booster shot at some designated time period (seemingly that will be an unending recurrence of boosters for the rest of your life) to further strengthen the powers of your protection from covid. Even with all of that, upon arrival in Indonesia, you still have to go into quarantine for 8 days fully funded by yourself and you still need to provide negative covid tests paid for by yourself.

The bottom line is you have to quarantine 8 days in Indonesia. Even if you follow all of the current narrative's guidelines, get vaccinated, get the booster shots as suggested, and you have either never even been sick or if you have been sick in the past and recovered to have natural immunity, you still have to be "quarantined". I would think both the tabloids and CNN might even agree that is the case.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2608252]The bottom line is you have to quarantine 8 days in Indonesia. Even if you follow all of the current narrative's guidelines, get vaccinated, get the booster shots as suggested, and you have either never even been sick or if you have been sick in the past and recovered to have natural immunity, you still have to be "quarantined". I would think both the tabloids and CNN might even agree that is the case..[/QUOTE]Quarantine is the requirement for entry now, but at some point in the future, most likely when 75% to 80% of the local population has been vaccinated this will end and all foreigners will need to enter is a negative PCR test and / or proof of vaccination.

I would love to go back to Jakarta, but not until 1. The quarantine is lifted and 2. I hear that my favorite bordellos or quality new ones are back up and running. It is a good thing there are alternative open, no quarantine, countries to visit and hook up with smoking' hot girls or I would be very depressed. Here is to a spring 2022 open city Jakarta. I hope it happens.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2608252]First of all, most tabloid newspapers are more accurate than CNN these days. But my intention was simply to point out the current narrative. Which I did accurately. It's naive to think getting the vaccine will do anything to help you avoid being quarantined. Whether the vaccine is actually a benefit to your health or not relative to the risks of getting a vaccine that has not been fully tested is a different topic.

The current reality is that even if you get sick or just test positive for covid, then recover from covid so that you have natural immunity, the narrative is that they still want you to get the vaccine. So whether you already have a strong immunity from recovering from covid or have whether you have not had covid yet, since you are a "good citizen" you may go ahead and get vaccinated (twice in some cases if it's an mRNA vaccine) to follow the advice of the narrative. You may even get a booster shot at some designated time period (seemingly that will be an unending recurrence of boosters for the rest of your life) to further strengthen the powers of your protection from covid. Even with all of that, upon arrival in Indonesia, you still have to go into quarantine for 8 days fully funded by yourself and you still need to provide negative covid tests paid for by yourself.

The bottom line is you have to quarantine 8 days in Indonesia. Even if you follow all of the current narrative's guidelines, get vaccinated, get the booster shots as suggested, and you have either never even been sick or if you have been sick in the past and recovered to have natural immunity, you still have to be "quarantined". I would think both the tabloids and CNN might even agree that is the case.[/QUOTE]It all depends if one country has a policy to live with covid or one stubbornly still wants to maintain a zero-covid policy. I think zero-covid is no longer possible, since that horse has already left the barn, which means eventually all countries need to adopt a policy of living with it. In order for a country to be able to live with covid and not break their healthcare system, a much higher percentage of the population needs to be vaxxed with effective vaccines, not some sino-crap. Unfortunately, that is what are mostly available to the majority of people in Indonesia. At least some protection is still better than none.

Canada and most of western Europe are already allowing fully vaxxed visitors entry without quarantines.

[QUOTE=Ggekko2009;2609543]It all depends if one country has a policy to live with covid or one stubbornly still wants to maintain a zero-covid policy. I think zero-covid is no longer possible, since that horse has already left the barn, which means eventually all countries need to adopt a policy of living with it. In order for a country to be able to live with covid and not break their healthcare system, a much higher percentage of the population needs to be vaxxed with effective vaccines, not some sino-crap. Unfortunately, that is what are mostly available to the majority of people in Indonesia. At least some protection is still better than none.

Canada and most of western Europe are already allowing fully vaxxed visitors entry without quarantines.[/QUOTE]Once the tourism is back in force in other wealthy countries, the rest of the world will follow. It is just about time the fear and fortress mindset to slowly disappear.

Australia is lifting the ban on outbound travel. Hopefully more flights and inbound restriction from Indonesia lifted too.

Could anyone who is familiar with Jakarta in pre-pandemic times give a proper, broad overview of the current mongering situation in the city? From perusing the forum, I have the impression that the large venues like Classic Hotel, Tourst Hotel, Malioboro, Kings Cross, Sumo are all closed; some smaller massage places are open. Is this correct? What about online dating? I would have thought that if most venues are closed, girls would migrate to online dating where I assume it is more difficult for the government to regulate activity.

And what is it like to be in Jakarta now? Are malls open / closed, bars open / closed, people working from home, traffic and air and noise pollution down?

[QUOTE=Cucumber;2613277]Could anyone who is familiar with Jakarta in pre-pandemic times give a proper, broad overview of the current mongering situation in the city? From perusing the forum, I have the impression that the large venues like Classic Hotel, Tourst Hotel, Malioboro, Kings Cross, Sumo are all closed; some smaller massage places are open. Is this correct? What about online dating? I would have thought that if most venues are closed, girls would migrate to online dating where I assume it is more difficult for the government to regulate activity.

And what is it like to be in Jakarta now? Are malls open / closed, bars open / closed, people working from home, traffic and air and noise pollution down?[/QUOTE]A friend living in Jakarta told me yesterday that the clubs are opening again. So if the clubs are open, I guess the rest is as well.

[QUOTE=Cucumber;2613277]Could anyone who is familiar with Jakarta in pre-pandemic times give a proper, broad overview of the current mongering situation in the city? From perusing the forum, I have the impression that the large venues like Classic Hotel, Tourst Hotel, Malioboro, Kings Cross, Sumo are all closed; some smaller massage places are open. Is this correct? What about online dating? I would have thought that if most venues are closed, girls would migrate to online dating where I assume it is more difficult for the government to regulate activity.

And what is it like to be in Jakarta now? Are malls open / closed, bars open / closed, people working from home, traffic and air and noise pollution down?[/QUOTE]In answer to the questions in your first paragraph, yes, pretty much, the big clubs are closed, some of the smaller ones have reopened and Tinder is your go-to place now for hook-ups and contacts. Three- and four-star hotels continue to operate providing very reasonably priced accommodation for your assignations. There is high unemployment among karaoke hostesses, massage therapists, SPGs etc. But many of the girls simply decamped back to their kampungs and haven't yet returned. Tinder is full of agents, immediately identifiable by the fake photos of dubiously attractive Korean and Japanese models in their profiles and their opening gambit of "Where you stay, hotel or apartamen?" They will ask 1. 5 million but can be immediately bargained down to 800 k but the girl that eventually shows up will be business-like and in a rush to leave for her next gig. Better to stick to the good old-fashioned amateurs looking for a bit of cash, you can get a single mom, bored housewife or office girl looking to make her rent for 500 k or 600 k for an afternoon's short time.

All the malls have reopened, you need a special, very intrusive and battery-draining, app from the government which tracks your every move to get into the malls and restaurants (only residents of Indonesia can download the app, something the government appears not to have considered when it talked about reopening Bali to foreigners). The bars are open again but they aren't as busy as they were. Traffic and pollution have returned to normal. Mask-wearing is compulsory and there is usually a lot of faddle-daddle about "health protocols" before entering public places but nothing that can't be overcome.

Not quite back to normal, but I'd say 80% there.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2608622] in the future, most likely when 75% to 80% of the local population has been vaccinated
[/QUOTE]You'll be waiting a damn long time for that to happen. Currently with only 21% fully vaccinated and around 200,000 doses given a day, you are looking at around another 2 years before that is a reality. Even then, that will only happen assuming current rates are maintained. There is a lot of hesitancy out there, mostly driven by religion and superstition. I think what's more likely is that certain areas will be re-opened to fully vaccinated visitors. Expect the whole system to be poorly planned and to fall apart within weeks of being implemented.

[QUOTE=Hilo77;2613774]In answer to the questions in your first paragraph, yes, pretty much, the big clubs are closed, some of the smaller ones have reopened and Tinder is your go-to place now for hook-ups and contacts. ....[/QUOTE]Thanks for the helpful information!

[QUOTE=Cucumber;2614048]Thanks for the helpful information![/QUOTE]My friend in Jakarta told me that the Classic Hotel has reopened the 2nd floor bar, but you will need the app that shows you are double vaxxed to get entry and the other bars inside the classic are going to open as they get more girls, Travel Hotel has also reopened with the same vax rules to get in, both clubs are still low on numbers, If I get to Jakarta for a holiday sometime in the future I will give a first hand report.

[QUOTE=CamboCleve;2615130]My friend in Jakarta told me that the Classic Hotel has reopened the 2nd floor bar, but you will need the app that shows you are double vaxxed to get entry and the other bars inside the classic are going to open as they get more girls, Travel Hotel has also reopened with the same vax rules to get in, both clubs are still low on numbers, If I get to Jakarta for a holiday sometime in the future I will give a first hand report.[/QUOTE]Like most places, the average business owner, security guard etc. Does not much enjoy enforcing the entry rules about vaccination status. The Peduli Lindungi app only works if you have an Indonesian phone number. OS just shows a screenshot of his overseas vaccination certificate to get into the mall as does Lady OS, who is Indonesian but was also vaccinated overseas. So far with 100% success.

When it comes to getting into the rat houses, the control group is 50% smaller because OS never takes lady OS with him. But given that he has never even been asked to show vaccination status there despite all the check in QR codes on display at the door. OS can safely say with 100% confidence that one will be admitted.

[QUOTE=CamboCleve;2615130]My friend in Jakarta told me that the Classic Hotel has reopened the 2nd floor bar, but you will need the app that shows you are double vaxxed to get entry and the other bars inside the classic are going to open as they get more girls, Travel Hotel has also reopened with the same vax rules to get in, both clubs are still low on numbers, If I get to Jakarta for a holiday sometime in the future I will give a first hand report.[/QUOTE]That's all fine. Bigger issue is when will we be allowed to get back in to Indonesia. My other concern is I would have to quarantine in Thailand again after going to Indonesia since Indonesia is not on the Thailand no quarantine list.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2616991]That's all fine. Bigger issue is when will we be allowed to get back in to Indonesia. My other concern is I would have to quarantine in Thailand again after going to Indonesia since Indonesia is not on the Thailand no quarantine list.[/QUOTE]The Thailand threads are missing you, and await your return.

[QUOTE=Eequalsmc2;2617086]The Thailand threads are missing you, and await your return.[/QUOTE]Thanks. I'll let Explorer feed you guys his invaluable information and expertise on the Thailand forum.

Dear all,

I can confirm that Starmoon bar is open and the actions seems to be back on in Jakarta. They did not even ask me to check for the vaccine app (pedulilindungi).

There was a pretty decent fishbowl collection of buffet to choose from. I chose a dessert named "Ocha". Hmm. I guess not a great choice (the breasts looked big from far but were pretty small when she came near). She was a bit of a hurry and clean freak, brushed before and after and cleaned herself thoroughly (not a bad thing I guess?

No BBBJ for though only CBJ. Did not agree without cover.

For the FS, it was decent. She was small petite and small perky b88 BS. A bit eager to finish fast. Would not try her again. But will be visiting the place again.

Face: 6/10.

P: 7/10.

Be: 6/10 (Small petite).

Sx: 8/10.

Damage: 400 k (Room + Girl).

Next stop. The'Heaven.

[QUOTE=Sanstuen;2618408]I can confirm that Starmoon bar is open and the actions seems to be back on in Jakarta. [/QUOTE]I thought Kota Indah remained open during COVID. Apologies if wrong haven't been following threads closely.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2618593]I thought Kota Indah remained open during COVID. Apologies if wrong haven't been following threads closely.[/QUOTE]It shut down completely in the first week of March 2020 and remained closed until sometime in January 2021. But if you knew the Mamasans you could order the cewek privately to your place.

It closed again in July but opened again during the start of this month. Interestingly, they were open everyday during Ramadan this year even in the afternoon.

I passed the Classic Hotel the other day and asked the satpam if the motel rooms were open, not only were the rooms open but Lantai Dua was also open, music, sexy dancers and all the girls you could shake a stick at, he delightedly told me.

Intrigued I went up and sure enough it was open, full on, bizarrely the sexy dancers were wearing perspex face masks (and even more bizarrely didn't take their clothes off, which rather defeats the purpose) but other than that no sign of health protocols. It gave me a nice buzz taking a seat once again after 18 months, telling the mamsan not to bother me until I got a beer down my neck, and just like the old days, her ignoring my very clear instructions and grabbing the first girl passing to introduce to me. There were plenty of girls, dressed in halter tops and tight trousers rather than the dresses of before but looking no worse for that.

I got a fine-looking seemingly busty young lady (claimed to be 19, almost certainly older) and she persuaded me to call an equally attractive friend, two-for-one package for 500 k. Normally I would never fall for that (two girls usually means more is less as they chat, check their phones and happily ignore the client) but I was feeling in ebullient form just to find myself back in the game again.

As it turned out it was just like the old days, two 20-something Sundanese single moms, who in the harsh light of the bedroom out of their push-up bras and high-heeled stilettoes lacked the glamour they presented in the noise and darkness upstairs. Added to that, the perfunctory covered BJ reminded me why I rarely had a great time in Classic.

But you know what? I didn't care. It was just nice to know that the green shoots of spring are here, winter's over. My life didn't come to a shuddering end in March 2020 after all, there's fun to be had again.

Just not in Classic, not this time.

[QUOTE=Sanstuen;2618408]Dear all,

No BBBJ for though only CBJ. Did not agree without cover.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Hilo77;2619912]. Added to that, the perfunctory covered BJ reminded me why I rarely had a great time in Classic.

But you know what? I didn't care. It was just nice to know that the green shoots of spring are here, winter's over. My life didn't come to a shuddering end in March 2020 after all, there's fun to be had again.

Just not in Classic, not this time.[/QUOTE]Posts like these make me feel like it's even worse than thailand. The only girls offering CBJ there are on br other than that you really don't have to ask. Egy monger claiming BBFS is standard yet there are dudes paying for cbjs. Iirc Smoothy wrote a year ago as well that its standard pros will always ask for a condom.

I don't mind running around asking for BBFS everywhere but if I know where to expect what chances with pros I would appreciate it a lot.

[QUOTE=Bienenstich;2621408]Posts like these make me feel like it's even worse than thailand. The only girls offering CBJ there are on br other than that you really don't have to ask. Egy monger claiming BBFS is standard yet there are dudes paying for cbjs. Iirc Smoothy wrote a year ago as well that its standard pros will always ask for a condom.

I don't mind running around asking for BBFS everywhere but if I know where to expect what chances with pros I would appreciate it a lot.[/QUOTE]Not a weekend millionaire or someone with a sample base of a few tens of chicas. I am talking hundreds possibly thousands. Nobody has ever insisted on a condom. Of course, I do tip when needed, a maximum of 100 to 150 thousand Rupiah. Sometimes I pay nothing.

The one and only time the chica refused I walked out and complained to the Mamasan, who got me a free replacement who would eventually go BBFS, with CIP even. It may help if you are a regular face in these establishments in these cases.

Well how I understand right now its like this. In Indonesia its rough getting BBBJ but BBFS + cip is no problem at all. Anywhere in Indonesia really.

Otherwise something just doesn't check out when dudes claim they get chicks insisting on CBJ in sleazy places like kota indah and ig more upscale brothels like hotel classic. Sample sizes of around 10 would be good enough for me but hundreds seem even better. But yea, reading this makes me very excited cause the places I'm most curious about are those hotel floor brothels like hotel classic and travel.

Oh great, things have reopened again and we celebrate by dragging out the carcass of another discussion that's been done to death countless times before.

Look it's simple, in the big commercial meat markets many (many, not all) of the girls will insist on covered BJ's. Many won't, many won't even insist on a condom for full sex, you can often have the most crazy abandoned sex you ever had in a place like Travel or Classic, but it's not the norm. You can ask beforehand, a simple solution I suppose, but usually it never crosses your mind. You can insist on an uncovered BJ, it being your goddam right as a voter and a taxpayer, you can make a fuss, you can call the mamasan and get your girl changed, insisting that she registers your righteous complaint about standards of service.

Or, you know, you could recognise the fact that you're paying 25 bucks for an hour of mechanical sex with an indentured sex worker (and almost certainly heavily indebted single mother) and just suck up your privilege and mark it up to experience.

You want to call the shots in your sex scene? Organise it yourself, that's what I do. That way you know what you're getting and you can insist on what your paying for, although as has been pointed out a thousand times you really are an unlucky schmuck if you can't find a girl willing to do what you want in Jakarta, as often as not for free. This town is teeming with sex-mad pros, semi-pros and good old-fashioned happy amateurs.

Just don't swagger into the brothel equivalent of a McDonalds and complain to the management because the pickle in the burger isn't to your liking.

I'm in Jakarta briefly for the first time later this week.

I'm looking for a clean, upscale spa where I can get a happy ending massage around lunchtime.

Any other extras, such as full service, aren't necessary (though wouldn't necessarily be refused), though it would be nice to be able to choose the girl, and it would be preferable it the girl performs the massage nude.

Any recommendations? Are spots like Fortune Spa and Delta Spa good for this kind of thing? I do care a bit about the attractiveness of the masseuse, and am fine paying a premium for this.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=FullerUp;2621997]I'm in Jakarta briefly for the first time later this week.

I'm looking for a clean, upscale spa where I can get a happy ending massage around lunchtime.

Any other extras, such as full service, aren't necessary (though wouldn't necessarily be refused), though it would be nice to be able to choose the girl, and it would be preferable it the girl performs the massage nude.

Any recommendations? Are spots like Fortune Spa and Delta Spa good for this kind of thing? I do care a bit about the attractiveness of the masseuse, and am fine paying a premium for this.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]You didn't mention where you are in Jakarta. Jakarta is a big city.

[QUOTE=Smoothy;2622296]You didn't mention where you are in Jakarta. Jakarta is a big city.[/QUOTE]Sorry. I'm in the Harmoni (SP?) area.

If there are better options elsewhere, though, I'd be happy to jump in a taxi and travel around, as long as it's worth it and within reasonable distance.

If your still here Banger I'd be happy to grab a few.

[QUOTE=JKTBanger;2474601]The most painful part was getting on the airplane. Lots of confusion and incorrect information when trying to get alignment between Immigration, the local Indonesian Embassy, and the airline is no small effort. It's clear that none of these offices actually talk to each other. I was denied at the airport twice and not allowed to board the flight, once for not having the right information from the local Embassy and the other because the local Embassy never informed the airline. I did need to have a PCR test, a medical certificate, and a "fit to fly" certificate, all dated within a week.

After finally getting all the paperwork done, 3rd times a charm, I was able to board the flight and lift-off. Arriving Indonesia was time consuming but relatively painless. Lots of waiting, lots of social distanced lines to wait in, lots of rubber stamps. Slow moving and spread out but fairly well put together.

Any Mongers in Jakarta up for a weekend drink, let me know![/QUOTE]

Jakarta is not back to almost pre-pandemic levels in terms of spas, bordellos and freelancers. A lot of girls available. Malioboro, classic and travel open. Kota indah open.

Also Michat has emerged as a very popular tool for finding freelancers during the pandemic, and will likely be popular in the future also.

Where is the best place to be allowed bareback CIP in Jakarta? Classic and travel its not often on the menu.

I usually have more success in the spas.

Correction, It should have been 'Jakarta is now back to pre-pandemic lecels.

[QUOTE=Sriwijaya;2623900]Jakarta is not back to almost pre-pandemic levels in terms of spas, bordellos and freelancers. A lot of girls available. Malioboro, classic and travel open. Kota indah open.

Also Michat has emerged as a very popular tool for finding freelancers during the pandemic, and will likely be popular in the future also.

Where is the best place to be allowed bareback CIP in Jakarta? Classic and travel its not often on the menu.

I usually have more success in the spas.[/QUOTE]

Was wondering if anyone could clarify the latest travel restrictions for Indonesia. This only applies to the 19 countries that have been deemed allowed to enter Indonesia effective October 14. In one section it says a 211A visa is allowed to enter Indonesia and that section includes tourist visas. However, in another section it states that Visa on Arrivals are still suspended. Does that mean I can apply for a visa at the Indonesian Embassy if I am a citizen of one of the 19 countries and be allowed to fly in to Soekarno?

With only a 3 day quarantine and Jakarta bars all now open this seems like a better option for me than going to Thailand where bars can not fully reopen, other than Phuket.

It depends where you are flying from (Australians, thankfully, cannot fly without an exemption) and your vax status.

Assuming a US passport.

Unvaccinated:

Unvaccinated travelers are not allowed to enter Indonesia. Entry restrictions do not apply to:

-Indonesian citizens and residency permit holders;.

-Travelers with health or humanitarian purposes.

Travelers are required to take a COVID-19 RT-PCR test on arrival at the airport.

Travelers are required to verify foreign-issued, vaccination cards that will be used to accommodate activities in Indonesia. (online form= [URL]https://vaksinln.dto.kemkes.go.id/sign/in[/URL]).

Travelers must have a printed negative COVID-19 RT-PCR test result in English. The test must be taken a maximum of 72 hours before departure. = RT-PCR Test 72 hours before departure Travelers must have health insurance or travel insurance that includes health financing, as well as a statement letter willing to pay independently all medical costs (if some are not covered by insurance / do not have insurance) if exposed to COVID-19 while in Indonesia. (For full details and exemptions, see [URL]https://www.imigrasi.go.id/id/covid19/[/URL]).

Travelers must wear masks in public places.

Fully Vaccinated.

Vaccinated travelers from United States (and 221 additional countries) are allowed to enter Indonesia as long as they meet one of the following requirements:

-Holders of valid visit visa (B211) or a limited stay visa;.

-holders of a valid Business Travel Card;.

-Travelers under the Travel Corridor Arrangement (TCA);.

-Holders of valid Stay Permits (ITAS or ITAP) and Re-Entry Permits;.

-Holders of unused Visit Visa and Limited Stay Visa issued for the period 22 April – 18 July 2021 must re-check the reactivation eVisa that has been sent to the e-mail address of the foreigner and the guarantor. They must use their new eVisa no later than October 15,2021;.

-Travelers with health or humanitarian purposes;.

-Holders of diplomatic and service visas.

Entry restrictions do not apply to:

-Indonesian citizens and residency permit holder.

Travelers are required to take a COVID-19 RT-PCR test on arrival at the airport.

For full details and exemptions, see [URL]https://www.imigrasi.go.id/id/covid19/[/URL].

Description.

Fully vaccinated travelers must quarantine for 3 days at a facility designated by the Indonesian government. Travelers must take a COVID-19 RT-PCR test on day 3 of quarantine. Travelers who test positive must quarantine for longer at their own cost.

This requirement does apply to:

-Indonesia migrant workers;.

-Students and civil servants;.

-Travelers who stay in hotels / inns approved by the government.

-Travelers over the age of 18;.

-Holders of diplomatic / service stay permit;.

-Holders of KITAS and KITAP.

Complete here: [URL]https://vaksinln.dto.kemkes.go.id/sign/in[/URL].

Forms and documents.

Mandatory non-Indonesian vaccination verification form. Travelers are required to verify foreign-issued, vaccination cards that will be used to accommodate activities in Indonesia. Form = [URL]https://vaksinln.dto.kemkes.go.id/sign/in[/URL].

Proof of negative COVID-19 test results Travelers must have a printed negative COVID-19 RT-PCR test result in English. The test must be taken a maximum of 72 hours before departure. RT-PCR Test 72 hours before departure For full details and exemptions, see [URL]https://www.imigrasi.go.id/id/covid19/[/URL].

Mandatory Health Alert Card Travelers are required to download and fill out the eHAC Indonesia (Indonesia Health Alert Card) application via smartphone, then show the details to the officer upon arrival. An droid [URL]https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.telkom.tracencare[/URL] and IOS apps [URL]https://apps.apple.com/id/app/pedulilindungi/id1504600374[/URL] avaialble.

For full details and exemptions, see [URL]https://www.kemkes.go.id/article/view/21072000001/air-transport-requires-i-pedulilindungi-i-application-use.html[/URL].

Mandatory proof of vaccination Travelers must have proof of vaccination in the form of a vaccine card or certificate in paper or digital form showing they have received the full dose of the COVID-19 vaccine.

Foreign nationals who cannot be vaccinated due to medical conditions must show a health certificate stating that the person is unfit for COVID-19 vaccination.

Travelers exempted are:

-Holders of diplomatic visas at ministerial level on official visits;.

-Travelers under the age of 18;.

-Travelers under the Travel Corridor Arrangement scheme.

Mandatory health insurance Travelers must have health insurance or travel insurance that includes health financing, as well as a statement letter willing to pay independently all medical costs (if some are not covered by insurance / do not have insurance) if exposed to COVID-19 while in Indonesia.

Masks are mandatory in public. Travelers must wear masks in public places.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2624575]Was wondering if anyone could clarify the latest travel restrictions for Indonesia. This only applies to the 19 countries that have been deemed allowed to enter Indonesia effective October 14. In one section it says a 211A visa is allowed to enter Indonesia and that section includes tourist visas. However, in another section it states that Visa on Arrivals are still suspended. Does that mean I can apply for a visa at the Indonesian Embassy if I am a citizen of one of the 19 countries and be allowed to fly in to Soekarno?

With only a 3 day quarantine and Jakarta bars all now open this seems like a better option for me than going to Thailand where bars can not fully reopen, other than Phuket.[/QUOTE]