Pattaya Reports

[QUOTE=Franga;2112498]For the water, I fill up at the water stations located all around where you get 6 liters for 5 baht or one liter for one baht. You need your own 6 liter container though. Either buy an initial one for around 35 baht I think (in 7/11 etc), or where I stay departing residents leave their containers behind and future guests can grab one and fill it up. I have never had any problems with the quality of the water in these little water stations. It's a great bargain, and certainly beats buying water at the convenience stores every few days.

For the accomodation, I cannot reveal the exact place, but it is in the Soi Buakhao area. The room is quite good as it is old style and measures around 30 m square. There is a double bed, Cable TV (sophon), aircon, medium sized fridge, a small desk and reasonable wifi. The bathroom is largish with an electric hot water heater. There is no cleaning service though. Yes you can bring girls back there, though I prefer to use ST rooms with ST freelancers so that they can make a mess there rather than in my room. There are a lot of these deals around I think. I find that renting by the month halves your accomodation cost compared to renting on a daily basis. The downside of the Soi Buakhao area is the lack of sidewalks for pedestrians until you hit second Road.

For food, sometimes for lunch I would head to Big see on Klang and get a very filling Chicken Curry meal with small ice coffee for 80 baht. That has brought the meal average down. So usually the dinner meal would usually be around 220 baht, but sometimes it would be 150 baht if only spag bol plus iced coffee.[/QUOTE]Hats off to you for your discipline and working within your budget. I think Mr Ent's suggestions and input re not overpaying comes back to me. Since I usually do. LOL.

Having said that, IMO the allocation of budget in Franga's Case is more like 20-25 pc of his total budget for accommodations ( note he uses separate place when with a girl ) and 15-20 pc for food and beverage ( note he does not drink ) and the rest for girls and fun. Now, that's with a 30 k baht budget for a month.

Now, if you scale up the total budget per month to say 100 K baht per month, or even 200 K baht per month your accomdations and food will be a lower percentage of total, thus allowing more for girls and entertainment (eg go go bars, discos etc).

So, I think guys may want to focus more on the percentages and average per day that they spend for each category vs. A specific meal. At least that is my takeaway.

Also, as far as girls, YMMV may vary, but at least in my experience when they want more than say 3 K per LT (I don't do ST) , then I find their perception of their own value is so high, that it makes for a difficult interactive experience. Also why I stick to 6's ans 7's and maybe an occasional 8 , because they have less of an ego.

IMO, go go girls live within the echo chamber of the other girls they work with and are constantly exchanging information within that work cocoon. This echo chamber IMO is what makes them hard to work with (not all of them to be sure). Now add on the quota of drinks they have to push and it is a an aggressive sales driven culture and work environment for them. The only place I have found this to be an exception is in Latin America. FWIW. Which is why in Pattaya I stick to the discos, arrive after 1 pm and p / u after 2/3 am. And try to find good solid 6. 5 and 7's. I dont succeed all the time !!! However, since I stay for a only or longer I am quite patient. Of course, YMMV will surely vary if you are under 35 and have looks and game.

[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2113413]Having the right size helped keep it unrolled and the lube never became a factor.[/QUOTE]The right size is everything. From what I've read up on condoms from what appear to be more academic sources, the lack of lubricant (if required) and the incorrect size are the overwhelming causes of most condom failures. I never thought of myself as a "large" until I bought some large size condoms "on sale" just for a grin and discovered that they not only fit better, but the sensation was better.

A real beef I have with working girls and the brothels is that they stock cheap condoms they likely buy in volume. This is predictable in a 3rd world country. But, I was surprised that the freelancers I did in Berlin took the same route for cost cutting and stocked the same cheap condoms you'd find anywhere else. Its not like they were poor, didn't have easy access to a broad array of condoms (if there is one thing that Germany excels in, its the proliferation of "sex shops") or were uneducated. One was actually overeducated. I'd think those girls would make the investment in their health and customer satisfaction by paying a little more for a decent condom. I expect they have no concept of these things, because they don't have to wear condoms, though it does explain why they do carry their own preferred lube (in my observation).

Its why I always make sure I carry more than enough of my preferred condoms on a mongering trip, with some single-shot packets of lube. It makes for a better experience and more piece of mind.

[QUOTE=NickMehta;2113393]

We were put up at the Camelot, being close to Walking Street was a good idea. Got the hotel cheap at around 2200 baht a night. However, the rooms are damp, musty and stinky. It's an older property, and needs an overhaul to keep with the times. It is frequently by the group tours, where an overnight stay does no harm to it's reputation. Would not recommend. Surprisingly, saw many Russian (or maybe, Uzbek) gals staying there. Course, Indian dudes would never get a second look from them, sigh!

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We went over to Walking Street much later in the night; was probably 11 when we got there. Tried to get into some of the go-go clubs and were basically turned down (who needs a decent group of Indian dudes, yech! The worst reaction is when the folks at the door cross their arms as you get closer to the club; public announcement that you're not welcome. WTH![/QUOTE]Nick, thanks for the report, especially on PP Massage since I've been meaning to check it out again.

You can get plenty of nice hotels around Pattaya for under 2200 baht. Camelot rooms should run under 1200 baht taxes included.

How many guys were in your group that was rejected entry into the gogo bars? Surprised to hear this since some of the gogo bars are completely empty of customers this past week. Sorry to hear about your poor experience.

News mentions that the guy who mowed down a ton of people in front of Tukcom the other day was the owner of a Walking Street bar. Does anyone know which bar?

[QUOTE=Haven123;2113434]Which is why in Pattaya I stick to the discos, arrive after 1 pm and p / u after 2/3 am. And try to find good solid 6. 5 and 7's. I dont succeed all the time !!! However, since I stay for a only or longer I am quite patient. Of course, YMMV will surely vary if you are under 35 and have looks and game.[/QUOTE]I'm 45 and went to iBar and Insomnia a couple times last week with BM Amex. Most of the chicks that I talked to wanted 2K off the bat (like Haven I only do LT from the discos). So for a guy willing to pay that much that place should be a goldmine. Myself, if I can't get them down to at least 1,200 then I find one that I can. The only problem is that many times if a girl is with a group of friends then she tends to want to party a while. But if you see her alone or with only 1 other friend she will more than likely be ready to go right then if you tell her.

[QUOTE=NickMehta;2113393]Got the hotel cheap at around 2200 baht a night. However, the rooms are damp, musty and stinky.[/QUOTE]That's an awful lot for an hotel in Pattaya. There are discounted two-bedroom villa around the same price. Get an high-rated Hotel or serviced apart around Pattaya Klang, Pattaya Nua, or just across Sukhumvhit for about 700 Baht. Add 150 a day for a motorbike rental and you will be on WS in 3 minutes, and off the hands of motorbike Taxis.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2113567]The only problem is that many times if a girl is with a group of friends then she tends to want to party a while. But if you see her alone or with only 1 other friend she will more than likely be ready to go right then if you tell her.[/QUOTE]This is another one of the many strange things that happen to us the disco punters. At the beginning it gave on my balls a lot, now I've learned to use it a my own advantage, meaning that it allows me to collect more signals. When a girl agrees on a price, and then drags her feet to leave, you're being manipulated. The most likely reason is that she's not drunk enough to be eager to jump in bed "early" with a guy twice her age. She may think that the earlier it starts, the longer the romp, now as we know is not like Thai women are champion of sex endurance. Another reason is to get you for drinks to her and all her friends (which you will be prohibited to fuck at any time in the future), which will thank you at most with a smile. But since you may like the girl or OK with partying on for a while, my suggestion is to take it easy, politely decline to pay for her friend's drinks, have a dance or two, feel her body, smell and attitude. If these don't seem right, and after a reasonable time she's still recalcitrant you better move on, a biatch in dance hall in the room doesn't treat you well (famous Thai proverb).

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2113567]I'm 45 and went to iBar and Insomnia a couple times last week with BM Amex. Most of the chicks that I talked to wanted 2K off the bat (like Haven I only do LT from the discos). So for a guy willing to pay that much that place should be a goldmine. Myself, if I can't get them down to at least 1,200 then I find one that I can. The only problem is that many times if a girl is with a group of friends then she tends to want to party a while. But if you see her alone or with only 1 other friend she will more than likely be ready to go right then if you tell her.[/QUOTE]LOL, I am quite a bit older than you Mr. Ent. I roll quite differently, probably to the point of being weird (from fhe POV of most guys on this board) .

But, I am disciplined when at Insomnia. I avoid regulars, obvious go go girls who are there to unwind, or Soi 6 girls. I too avoid girls in groups. And I avoid 9's and 10's (although I think I've only seen 2 10's there over several months.). And, I usually never get there before 1230 and usually stay until at least 4/5 am.

Remember I usually stay for at least 1 month. So, I am never in a hurry and I am very patient. And, I am fairly good observer and analyzer of people (I think).

And since I am quite picky, when I find one I like I usually hang with them for 3-4 days. So, I am on the opposite end of the spectrum from someone who likes go go girls or Soi 6 girls. I am not interested in doing many, just a few that I like for several days each. So, my goals are quite different. I am looking for girls I would like to be with for several days. The key question being would I want to be with this chic for several days and nights. I would not recommend my approach to anyone else, cause it is quite off the Wall.

I usually only do 6-8 girls during 1 month. I doubt too many other guys would have any interest in such an approach in Pattaya of all places. And all focused on Insomnia pretty much all the time.

However, specialization has its advantages. Learning and iterative approaches for 1 whole month allows me to focus on one set-up / design and location.... and most importantly enjoy the music, dancing and the ambiance. Cest la vie. Sometimes I get lucky and many nights I leave alone! I never ever settle. LOL.

[QUOTE=OldNewGuy;2112718]
This was with a Red Car lady that I didn't see before, Dao, pretty face on a solid (not fat) body. She have man made hard boobs which do nothing for me. [/QUOTE]That is what I meant. She sent these as good morning, without a comment.

[QUOTE=Zman429;2113283]How many you guys try room service? My hotel has the best food / prices I've seen anywhere at 115 baht for Thai dish with rice. Quality and quantity of the food is really good. A great surprise.[/QUOTE]I concur, hotel food can be surprisingly good at reasonable prices (compared to tourist places anyway). But not in every hotel and not all the time in my experience. Depends on the cook who is on duty I suppose.

[QUOTE=Zman429;2113285]Try getting a testosterone shot at one of the clinics. They are 400 baht. Did wonders for me they take a week or two to kick in so get it when you get here. I have same problem especially after being here a couple of weeks. Try putting some lube on your cock before putting the condom on and no it won't come off just don't do the base.[/QUOTE]Any clinic will do or any recommendation? Do they perform a blood test to specify the amount of testosterone or one size fits all? It is only one shot, nothing else? Do you need an appointment, or do you just come in: "I want testosterone" and 5 minutes later it is over?

Sitting at the pool now, recovering from one of the top 5 sessions of my life last night. Met a bar girl from soi 7, we had some drinks together, played a few games and then I barfined her. 2000 LT. She is not the youngest or most beautiful, more the girl next door type, but easy on the eyes.

Back in my room it turned out she is an addict to DFK, just what I like. BBBJ, open for all positions and she needed it herself, as far as I can tell. She was insatiable. The big advantage when youself need a very long time to come: you can make the girl come several times. A nice reward for the ego. Finally she made me come with a HJ. Exhausted we fell asleep.

The next morning we started where we had stopped last night. A very memorable session and once again proof to my theory that the best looking girls are not the best performers.

[QUOTE=Traveller747;2113651]Any clinic will do or any recommendation? Do they perform a blood test to specify the amount of testosterone or one size fits all? It is only one shot, nothing else? Do you need an appointment, or do you just come in: "I want testosterone" and 5 minutes later it is over?[/QUOTE]Here a clinic in the corner with Pattaya Klang and 3rd Road [URL]http://maximumclinic-pattaya.business.site/[/URL].

Looking forward to read your rest of the trip reports as well.

Until Thais learn to differentiate the few good eggs vs the mostly bad eggs, it will be a tough time for Indians because of the stereotyping. Or maybe they don't want to see the difference. Hopefully the blanket ban from clubs like Baccarra, Peppermint and Sensations does not spread to other gogos and soapies but for how long I wonder having seen the hordes in person.

Funny thing, the bouncer at Peppermint said members only and I asked with a smile. Can I become one? And he pointed out at the Indian restaurant right across the street and said 'member there'. Oh well! He is well trained.

We had a good time at CH and Windmill but only got inside after we acknowledged the mandatory drink purchase which is not bad really since you need a beer anyways. Who goes to a strip club and does not buy beer? That says a lot about my compatriots.

That particular night CH had lot of average girls and 2 very hot girls. Windmill had a younger crop of which about half were better than average looking. Living dolls had about a dozen average looking ones with zero customers inside except us and after a drink we came back to CH and I barfined one of the hotties, the other was gone by then.

[QUOTE=NickMehta;2113393]Just back from a fantastic 5 day trip to LOS. Hope this helps someone!

Day 1.

Landed at Bangkok after a bumpy red-eye flight from Mumbai. Immigration lines weren't long, and I was fortunate to get the faster immigration officer. A few friends, in another queue, got the patient officer, who was rationing the passengers at snails pace. They only came through after I had collected the bags, and made my way back near immigration counters! 3 people in 20 minutes! Must be some record!

Ride to Pattaya (pre-booked cab) was also late. And, all 5 dudes were tired and hungry after waiting another 30 minutes. Would this be one of those forgettable trips? (Spoiler alert: it wasn't).

We were put up at the Camelot, being close to Walking Street was a good idea. Got the hotel cheap at around 2200 baht a night. However, the rooms are damp, musty and stinky. It's an older property, and needs an overhaul to keep with the times. It is frequently by the group tours, where an overnight stay does no harm to it's reputation. Would not recommend. Surprisingly, saw many Russian (or maybe, Uzbek) gals staying there. Course, Indian dudes would never get a second look from them, sigh!

Our first destination for the evening was the soapy massage places; one member of the group was a Thailand virgin, and we wanted him to have a guaranteed start! We dropped in at Honey 2 to start with. On my previous trip, this had been the best of the lot. Choices start at 2500, all the way upto 4000 baht. However, virgin dude was uncertain, and we decided to hop over to the other soapies, and check out the options. (Quick tip: Baht bus will drop you off free; they make 50/100 bucks for each customer they bring in. Your hand is marked when you enter). Anyway, off to Rasputin next, which usually has a bevy of beauties. Rasputin had a similar range - 2500,3000, 3500 and then a jump to 5000 - the models (who were really hot, BTW). Going with the flow we then went to PP Massage (nothing worth checking out here), and finally to Honey1.

I picked Tuktuk in Honey1 (# M106), and she was a good pick. Tall, shapely, big boobs (enhanced, but very well done). She was friendly, and chatted me up to the room. The soapy massage was phenomenal, Tuktuk took great care of every part of me. The usual - "you so big" comment was laughable though. Unfortunately, the sex was a bit of a let down though and got very mechanical. I take time cuming, and the mechanical nature was just a turn off. Tuktuk offered an extended HJ, but the damage was done.

We went over to Walking Street much later in the night; was probably 11 when we got there. Tried to get into some of the go-go clubs and were basically turned down (who needs a decent group of Indian dudes, yech! The worst reaction is when the folks at the door cross their arms as you get closer to the club; public announcement that you're not welcome. WTH!

Anyway, Insomnia was welcoming, and we dove in to get our drinks. Crowded as usual. Love the vibe and energy. Lots of great looking gals as well. We had to leave, as there was no place to stand, let alone sit. So, crossed the street to Hot Tuna Bar, which had a live band in action. The music was great (I forget the name of the band though), and we chorused our way through a few drinks.

Exhauted, and yet somehow not so, we headed back to the hotel.[/QUOTE]

"I usually only do 6-8 girls during 1 month".

I hope to do 6-8 girls per day! But thanks for the insight into Insomnia.