FKK Sharks - Darmstadt

[QUOTE=Downandup;2545233]States have their own rules but I see a lot of girls on sites. But I will wait for the third wave to end and all the FKK's to open before I return.[/QUOTE]Even I look forward testing new engine to improve it and send GPS speed I take on photos, to Audi, but I don t plan to go for escorts in Germany when I saw many looks claiming they were escorting, but far below my past Russians in Paris, unfortunately no more wow now for me in Paris, only 3 times on this year. When I read about Polizei raid in Darmstadt hotel, I wondered if prostitution is allowed or forbidden in Hessen? I think allowed in NRW.

[QUOTE=RockyV;2545246]Melissa was not available for a few days and then she reappeared on the ladies website. Ruby. Ro (petite girl with glasses) was also incall / escorting in Darmstadt, but she has disappeared from the site, maybe she went back home or she got busted by the police. Not an easy time for the girls but, hopefully, we will soon be able to support them again![/QUOTE]Did Melissa suddenly become unavailable starting on the 25th?

I know for a lot of people, their return to the land of FKK is still off in the far known future, but I just bring up these news events, because I believe the aggregate of their positive (whale customers) and negative experiences (police busts) while working underground will factor into their decision whether they wish to return to FKKs for 50 EUR 30 min rate, whenever clubs reopen that is.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2545312]Did Melissa suddenly become unavailable starting on the 25th?

I know for a lot of people, their return to the land of FKK is still off in the far known future, but I just bring up these news events, because I believe the aggregate of their positive (whale customers) and negative experiences (police busts) while working underground will factor into their decision whether they wish to return to FKKs for 50 EUR 30 min rate, whenever clubs reopen that is.[/QUOTE]A lot of variables, and too many to make confident predictions, but I suspect that many of the top quality providers will be able to keep the incall business model. As you mentioned, business from their whales might be able to keep them profitable without the club stress. I can see the good providers building more intimate relationships with their clients this past year, extracting much more money per client than before. The poor providers will likely have to go back to relying on the quantity of customers at the clubs. They will rely on "walk-in" business.

One possible issue for the incall providers, how many whales are local Germans? I've noticed that most whales are foreigners visiting for either business or are dedicated hobbyist from abroad. From what we know about German clubbers, they are mostly frugal. Would the frugal locals be willing to sacrifice the variety found in the clubs for one or two favorite girls. Would whales travel to Germany just for an in call visit? Good in-call providers can be be found anywhere in Europe and for roughly the same price if not cheaper than what's found in Germany. If hobbying for incall, why would I choose cold and rainy Germany over warm Southern Spain or Italy with better food and scenery.

But also, will there still be enough fly in business travelers when we return to "normal"? We know of the Asian hunters and their business model, but will the Asian business mongers continue to come? Most Americans clubbers are there on business also. Will they resume their previous work schedules?

My overly optimistic-best case scenario is that perhaps the scene returns to where it was 10 years ago due to higher proportion of German clients with German price to service expectation. Less clubs and less girls, but with less foreign mongers. If that is the case, could we revert back to those average price to service levels?

With my very small knowledge about this business, I m pretty sure most of WGs will return to their home club rather than keeping on escorting, which is just to survive in Germany. I remember funny stories about Elen working at Sharks rather than Dubai, or Evita who never returned to escort in UK since her arrival at Sharks on January 2015. Clubs may also be more safe places to work, according to some German girls, also telling they made better business, even 50/30, than when escorting, and furthermore for those who moved to Switzerland, for 140/30 at Globe = more than 130€.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2545430]A lot of variables, and too many to make confident predictions, but I suspect that many of the top quality providers will be able to keep the incall business model. As you mentioned, business from their whales might be able to keep them profitable without the club stress. I can see the good providers building more intimate relationships with their clients this past year, extracting much more money per client than before. The poor providers will likely have to go back to relying on the quantity of customers at the clubs. They will rely on "walk-in" business.

One possible issue for the incall providers, how many whales are local Germans? I've noticed that most whales are foreigners visiting for either business or are dedicated hobbyist from abroad. From what we know about German clubbers, they are mostly frugal. Would the frugal locals be willing to sacrifice the variety found in the clubs for one or two favorite girls. Would whales travel to Germany just for an in call visit? Good in-call providers can be be found anywhere in Europe and for roughly the same price if not cheaper than what's found in Germany. If hobbying for incall, why would I choose cold and rainy Germany over warm Southern Spain or Italy with better food and scenery.

But also, will there still be enough fly in business travelers when we return to "normal"? We know of the Asian hunters and their business model, but will the Asian business mongers continue to come? Most Americans clubbers are there on business also. Will they resume their previous work schedules?

My overly optimistic-best case scenario is that perhaps the scene returns to where it was 10 years ago due to higher proportion of German clients with German price to service expectation. Less clubs and less girls, but with less foreign mongers. If that is the case, could we revert back to those average price to service levels?[/QUOTE]I will love to see your last sentence come true! If FKKs go back to how they were 10 years ago, like it was in Atlantis and World back then. That would be like going to back to the golden ages of FKKs. Amen!

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2545312]Did Melissa suddenly become unavailable starting on the 25th? [/QUOTE]I can't say for certain as I don't check that site daily but, yes, I would say around that time.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2545430]One possible issue for the incall providers, how many whales are local Germans? I've noticed that most whales are foreigners visiting for either business or are dedicated hobbyist from abroad. From what we know about German clubbers, they are mostly frugal. Would the frugal locals be willing to sacrifice the variety found in the clubs for one or two favorite girls.[/QUOTE]German clubbers, yes we can observe their behavior, because they visit clubs. My contention is there a category of local mongers who have never set foot in the clubs before, an untapped market that Melissa had never been exposed to prior to working independent. A local monger who has their professional, social, family network within a thirty minute radius of Darmstadt, probably would prefer something more discreet and is willing to pay higher prices for the ability to monger incognito.

Now an unmarried, mid-50's local German with no kids living 100 km away, has the luxury of spending all day at the club, with very low risk of seeing someone he knows. That said, I have met three guys at Sharks who live in Darmstadt. The two younger ones do not visit as often or stopped. The older one is married but has grown children late 20's, early 30's. He mentioned to me that is wife does not know or ask when he disappears for hours. Perhaps at that age, the wife does not care anymore, and is happy someone else is performing her wifely duties. Or he is too old to care.

Wait and see like anything else.

[QUOTE=Gino02;2545498]I will love to see your last sentence come true! If FKKs go back to how they were 10 years ago, like it was in Atlantis and World back then. That would be like going to back to the golden ages of FKKs. Amen![/QUOTE]But what is this mindset. Why always waiting the things to come back. It is at least 6 months that I start to book girls that I know for long weekend or even holidays. I don t care about the reopening or not of the FKK, my sex life is at the top. My agenda is full of appointments with ex FKK girls.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2545713]But what is this mindset. Why always waiting the things to come back. It is at least 6 months that I start to book girls that I know for long weekend or even holidays. I don t care about the reopening or not of the FKK, my sex life is at the top. My agenda is full of appointments with ex FKK girls.[/QUOTE]I'm really not interested to spend time out of clubs with girls who are ready to be fucked by everybody for money. While break, like 1 year ago, I see how normal women are so much more interesting, with higher level and much more charm. When clubs are only for easy, fast and with no consequences when your brain is leading you, but I know how it will be complicated again, like on last June, when will return, about lower level of charm. Image really count for my desire.

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2545713]But what is this mindset. Why always waiting the things to come back. It is at least 6 months that I start to book girls that I know for long weekend or even holidays. I don t care about the reopening or not of the FKK, my sex life is at the top. My agenda is full of appointments with ex FKK girls.[/QUOTE]What FKK lovers like me miss the most is the whole atmosphere of the clubs and the opportunity to watch and talk to naked girls in a relaxed atmosphere. Escorts have been available throughout this pandemic, but it is not the same experience.

From what I understand, the clubs will open on October 2022 scenario.

I have not seen a report that people are moving themselves to get vaccinated.

I saw infected 10,000 people +/- each day, Angela Merkle lost her steering wheel on Germany.

She has come to terms with the situation that she is ending her role and going, Whoever comes after her will take at least a year to heal the economy.

Sorry guys, I also love shark club.

Lets pray for better hope.

And how do you find them? You had there private numbers from before?

[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2545713]But what is this mindset. Why always waiting the things to come back. It is at least 6 months that I start to book girls that I know for long weekend or even holidays. I don t care about the reopening or not of the FKK, my sex life is at the top. My agenda is full of appointments with ex FKK girls.[/QUOTE]

Of course. From before when he was going to clubs to return home with full balls because they are only overfucked prostitutes in those clubs.

And now since he lives in China, he has lots of appointments with women living in Central Europe. It really makes sense in those times where it is so easy to travel from a continent to another.

[QUOTE=TomRifle;2545962]And how do you find them? You had there private numbers from before?[/QUOTE]Always the same story, when you invest in your relations you get pay back and this is also true with prostitute. When you respect them and don t treat them like a piece of meat, they start to trust you and even after they retire from the job you can become friend. I kept very good contact with very few girls and even some of them invite me to visit her parents. The things are very clear, I will not marry them, they will not marry me but why not having fun together. Sorry but you don t have the phone number from your best friends or whatsapp?

[QUOTE=Admon;2545949]From what I understand, the clubs will open on October 2022 scenario.

I have not seen a report that people are moving themselves to get vaccinated.

I saw infected 10,000 people +/- each day, Angela Merkle lost her steering wheel on Germany.

She has come to terms with the situation that she is ending her role and going, Whoever comes after her will take at least a year to heal the economy.

Sorry guys, I also love shark club.

Lets pray for better hope.[/QUOTE]Sorry nobody is able to predict what will happen with this pandemy, may be the FKK could open in October, may be not. I am afraid that praying or not will not change the things. God doesn't exist, the religion is just a mean to control the people and to make them go in the direction you want.