FKK Artemis - Berlin

Dear Rev. Dr. Magee.

Took both of Marketa's today.

The patients and his nurse are resting comfortably. For a few minutes at least.

BSK.

[QUOTE=Angus Magee; 1136830]Diagnosable? No not at all. In fact if the recent studie are to be believed (and I read them on the internet so why would I not believe them?) there are measurable medical benefits associated with staring at women'are breasts.

[url]http://www.themedguru.com/20091206/newsfeature/stare-boobs-longer-life-study-86131320.html[/url]

So Bearsk, Dr Angus' prescription for you is to take two (at least) and call me in the morning if you do not improve.

AM[/QUOTE]

Visited Artemis yesterday. Not much different from my experience when Kimino was here last week.

The Good:

-Lotsa new faces eagerly waiting to be explored.

-Quite a high girl-to-monger ratio.

The Bad:

-Some of my favorites seem to have disappeared into thin air during the 3 weeks I was away.

-Slow atmosphere.

Okay, the last one could also be listed in the Good list, but in this case it has been rubbing me in a negative way. Despite being a fan of visiting Artemis on Sunday or early weekdays, the overall slowness scale seems to have slipped a little too much for my taste this month. So many gorgeous girls sitting around bored to death with comparatively few men running around. If it was my first time in Artemis, I'm sure I would have liked this atmosphere a lot. But, these days, I seem to enjoy a playing atmosphere with a high circulation where you have to keep your open to catch "that girl" or her backup, her backup's backup. In effect, it makes me want to "do it" more.

Don't despair though, fellow monger! According to my sources in Artemis, this happens every year around March, and things go back to the way it was after that. At least, until the summer slowdown. With the messes coming in early April, hopefully it will all go back to rainbows and ponies in no time.

Since the topic seems to have come to the FKK music, here's a couple of pointless ramblings:

Has anyone noticed the DJ's rickrolling people every night on the secondary playlist they're playing to the rooms upstairs and the pool lounge area?

Am I the only one to get distracted when they play the "Always Look on the Bright Side of Life" song from Monty Python's Life of Brian in the rooms? It's okay during foreplay, but I just have to close my eyes and go to my 'happy place' when they play it while I'm in the middle of hardcore action.

[QUOTE=Nebula2001; 1136973]Since the topic seems to have come to the FKK music, .

Am I the only one to get distracted when they play the "Always Look on the Bright Side of Life" song from Monty Python's Life of Brian in the rooms? It's okay during foreplay, but I just have to close my eyes and go to my 'happy place' when they play it while I'm in the middle of hardcore action. [/QUOTE]Could not agree more. Very difficult to decide which is more erotic: listening to pumped-up techno, or sticking hot pokers in one's eyes. But there is a simple solution: turn it off in the rooms. On all inside walls generally by the door, there is a black dial near the light switches which controls volume. Just shut it off completely so you can concentrate on your partner's breathing and moaning.

[QUOTE=Nebula2001; 1136972]Visited Artemis yesterday. Not much different from my experience when Kimino was here last week.

The Good:

-Lotsa new faces eagerly waiting to be explored.

-Quite a high girl-to-monger ratio.

The Bad:

-Some of my favorites seem to have disappeared into thin air during the 3 weeks I was away.

-Slow atmosphere.

Okay, the last one could also be listed in the Good list, but in this case it has been rubbing me in a negative way. Despite being a fan of visiting Artemis on Sunday or early weekdays, the overall slowness scale seems to have slipped a little too much for my taste this month. So many gorgeous girls sitting around bored to death with comparatively few men running around. If it was my first time in Artemis, I'm sure I would have liked this atmosphere a lot. But, these days, I seem to enjoy a playing atmosphere with a high circulation where you have to keep your open to catch "that girl" or her backup, her backup's backup. In effect, it makes me want to "do it" more.

Don't despair though, fellow monger! According to my sources in Artemis, this happens every year around March, and things go back to the way it was after that. At least, until the summer slowdown. With the messes coming in early April, hopefully it will all go back to rainbows and ponies in no time. [/QUOTE]Don't worry man, we will keep up the pressure when I fly up in a couple of weeks. Ahahaha.

What about "our" blonde friend?

Ciaooo

[QUOTE=Rocketboy0;1136986]Could not agree more. Very difficult to decide which is more erotic: listening to pumped-up techno, or sticking hot pokers in one's eyes. But there is a simple solution: turn it off in the rooms. On all inside walls generally by the door, there is a black dial near the light switches which controls volume. Just shut it off completely so you can concentrate on your partner's breathing and moaning.[/QUOTE]Music has been less and less interesting lately at Artemis. I like music when I fuck, even loud music actually, I know, It's like when I say I love lingerie day, majority don't agree, still the music lately sucks.

In my memory, the best music and sound equipment I found in an Fkk was at Paradise, Stuttgart. Awesome!

Ciaooo

Today at Artemis was busier than Monday with many experienced girls crying about making ends meet.

I saw three blondes: Marketa. Czech, Siena. Bulgaria, Antonia Romania. All three really excellent. Siena is a special favorite, would is that she may head home for a prolonged period. I guess see her while you can. She tells me Mary has return. A past favorite. I saw a new girl at the end. Heather from Bucharest, dark should length hair, cute, young. Worth exploring; I will need live vicariously through the forum for the next few months.

[QUOTE=Dim Yann;]I just think that many girls who just sit there all night without even one customer, would accept just the basic fee of 60 euros. That's at least what common sense says.[/QUOTE]I think the idea is to keep the prices fixed to avoid girls undercutting each other and to keep the whole thing sort of civil. If price is such an issue there is plenty of negotiation available on the street level of "ho-dom". Artemis and the FKK model of business attempts to give the whole thing an aura of class by eliminating the somewhat unpleasant side of financial negotiation. If you want to play in this bordello be prepared to pay the going rate.

Of course you can always try to negotiate but don't be surprised if this makes you very, very unpopular with the ladies.

AM

[QUOTE=Angus Magee; 1137115]I think the idea is to keep the prices fixed to avoid girls undercutting each other and to keep the whole thing sort of civil. If price is such an issue there is plenty of negotiation available on the street level of "ho-dom". Artemis and the FKK model of business attempts to give the whole thing an aura of class by eliminating the somewhat unpleasant side of financial negotiation. If you want to play in this bordello be prepared to pay the going rate.

Of course you can always try to negotiate but don't be surprised if this makes you very, very unpopular with the ladies.

AM[/QUOTE]Well I disagree totally.

Negotiation is one of the most basic rules in business!

One of the 5 girls I tried was a petite Moldavian, Izabelle, with a nice ass.

We agreed on 110 for half hour, but after 10 minutes she strted saying "come on, you must finish now, we cannot stay here forever"

Is this an "aura of class" or just stealing money?

I believe that the aura of class is given by the facilities, the girls, the atmosphere and definitely not by the lack of negotiation!

[QUOTE=Dim Yann; 1137211]Well I disagree totally.

Negotiation is one of the most basic rules in business!

One of the 5 girls I tried was a petite Moldavian, Izabelle, with a nice ass.

We agreed on 110 for half hour, but after 10 minutes she strted saying "come on, you must finish now, we cannot stay here forever"

Is this an "aura of class" or just stealing money?

I believe that the aura of class is given by the facilities, the girls, the atmosphere and definitely not by the lack of negotiation! [/QUOTE]If you disagree you should probably go and say this to the staff, they might decide to change the rules.

You are asking how it works at Artemis, and you got the answer.

If you don't like it you should probably change place as I don't think you will be sucessful in changing how things work there.

I personally love the fact that there's no negotiation happening at A.

Ciao

[QUOTE=Dim Yann;1137211]Well I disagree totally.![/QUOTE]Well go for it then. See how long you last.

And if you had done your homework (like read over the forum) you would have know that this girl has a bad rep. She is mentioned more than once in the forum as a bit sharkish.

AM

[QUOTE=Angus Magee; 1137115]I think the idea is to keep the prices fixed to avoid girls undercutting each other and to keep the whole thing sort of civil. If price is such an issue there is plenty of negotiation available on the street level of "ho-dom". Artemis and the FKK model of business attempts to give the whole thing an aura of class by eliminating the somewhat unpleasant side of financial negotiation. If you want to play in this bordello be prepared to pay the going rate.

Of course you can always try to negotiate but don't be surprised if this makes you very, very unpopular with the ladies.

AM[/QUOTE]Just out of curiosity, and not in any sort of attempt to negotiate a lower rate, I have spoke to a few girls recently about pricing. In particular I asked whether there would be any enthusiasm amongst the girls for a new price structure based on the NRW model. In NRW, the first half hour is 50E, then 25E for another 30 minutes, another 50E for the third half-hour, the 25E for the 4th half-hour etc. It occurred to me that in the present financial climate such a pricing structure would benefit all sides. The guys would have every inducement to extend a session beyond 30 minutes whilst the girls would regularly get an extra 25E (50% increase) for time that they would otherwise be spending in the lounge trying to pick up the next customer.

The response I got was a resounding 'No! ' from all the girls I mentioned this idea to. 'I don't fuck for 25E' was the typical response.

So, even if management were amenable (which they aren't) , I don't envisage much appetite for price refinement amongst the ladies.

Charlie

One of my regular girls told me that management will be requiring all the girls to post pictures and some sort of bio on the website in future.

She was dead against it, of course, but I think it's a splendid idea.

C

[QUOTE=Dim Yann; 1137211]Well I disagree totally.

Negotiation is one of the most basic rules in business!

One of the 5 girls I tried was a petite Moldavian, Izabelle, with a nice ass.

We agreed on 110 for half hour, but after 10 minutes she strted saying "come on, you must finish now, we cannot stay here forever"

Is this an "aura of class" or just stealing money?

I believe that the aura of class is given by the facilities, the girls, the atmosphere and definitely not by the lack of negotiation! [/QUOTE]Hey Dim,

I wouldn't say that negotiation is an impossible dream in the FKK clubs. However I think you'll find only a minuscule number of SPs who will bother to negotiate with you; especially when it comes to the price of a basic. 30 minute session, and most of the common extras.

Now having said that, where you could have some room to negotiate is when booking extended sessions (I. E. 1.5 hours or more) and multiple extras in a single session. Recently a girl at Oase offered me an "all nighter" for 300 EUR. This was 'round midnight and would have essentially meant 4. 5 hours of room time. Not the first time I have received such an offer. This can happen on very slow nights or conversely, on nights that are VERY busy, crowded, stressful and when room waits are especially long.

Now, if you decided to try and "nickel-and-dime" most girls when it comes down to a normal session, then you will be quite surprised how fast (and I mean within a period of ca. 1.5 hours) you will get labeled by most SPs as someone to be avoided. These girls size up the clientele and usually share their observations with their clicks. Many of us "regular" club-goers would be rather surprised to know what our "guest scorecard" is amongst the working girls.

I'll give you an example: I've been hitting clubs for well over a decade and at one club in particular, I am known as a somewhat fun guy who usually sticks to his regulars and more often than not does 50 EUR sessions and no extras. This is pretty close to accurate, as I maybe extend one out of five sessions and rarely throw an extra into the mix. This tendency changes when I visit the NRW clubs since extras and hour sessions are more of a bargain.

When a couple of running mates of mine and I hit this club, and if we happen to be lusting after the same lady, I usually end up batting cleanup since these guys more often than not take hour long sessions. Plus, they are handsome dudes, and despite my many charms I might come up a tad short in the looks department compared to these bums. (I have to mention this, otherwise they will get their very sensitive feelings hurt.)

I also know a guy who tends to be very rough with the girls and I have actually had a few girls hide behind me when he comes anywhere near. These girls haven't been to the room with him. They just know his rep.

Maybe it's not important to you, but one of the best ways to make your club visit (s) enjoyable, is to have a good reputation with the girls, and that evaluation starts pretty much from the first moment you enter a club. If you are know as "cheapskate boy" then many girls, especially the better SPs, won't bother with you. Or if so, then they probably will not give you their A-game in the room. I've heard so many girls complain to me about guests who try to negotiate a 30 minute session for less than the standard house price.

Still, as AM says, go for it if you must. It's your choice.

Cheers,

Dedalus

[QUOTE=Dedalus; 1137298]Cheers,

Dedalus[/QUOTE]Thanks Dedalus for a much more comprehensive explanation of negotiating price reductions than I had the energy to give. What I get from all of this is that if the girls like you, and if you show a willingness to pay the prices, you are more likely to get a break on a longer session with a girl you actually like and upon whom you actually want to spend time and money.

I am much like you when I make my infrequent visits these day-a half hour man, no extras. I find though that as I am pretty straight with the girls I tend to get a pretty reasonable level of service. Of course some try the up sell but as I am firm and polite about it they never end up taking my refusal as an insult.

As for the below mentioned Isabella, I remembered that when I session-ed with her (a couple of years back) the session ended when she miss timed my CIM (I used to do extras) and choked. The final 5 minutes of the already short session were spent with her hunched over the waste basket hacking up some of my man juice that apparently sprayed in her throat. How sexy is that?

She then informed me I owed her a further 50 for the swallow that would have made it 160 for a 20 minute sub par session. I invited her to discuss it with the reception and she declined the offer. She has never once so much as looked at me in my further visits to Artemis. I did have some sympathy for the girl's plight but not quite enough to pull out the extra 50.

AM