Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=McMaiden; 1441275]We just walked out and her friend follows us and says 'you give her something'. I said, sure, will take care of her.

Now, I plan to meet her again. Just wanted some advice. I am in BKK again soon and she keeps messaging to meet me.

- Do you think that she's in the game? She said that she goes clubbing sometimes to RCA, Bed Supper etc but her friends go to Bossy, Spicy etc etc (where good girls should not be going hahahah).[/QUOTE]I think she is new and not accustomed to being fully in the game yet. Her friend is telling you she is financially tight, needs money, and she is too shy or needs to be more agressive when it comes to the money end of it. This is why the friend made those comments.

She feels like she made it through the first steps, does not mind your company and wants to keep you on the hook as a potiential sugar daddy. This can easily get out of control if you set bad presidents and start giving her money without any sexual contact. So be careful with the steps you take moving forward. If I were you I would start building a stable of girls.

Keep in mind her friends who also hang out at all the listed places will be spying on you and reporting back to her.

[QUOTE=Mike921;1441329]Absolutely, no one can compare (negatively that is) to the Japs. Xenophobic, racist, bigots. Truly Hitler's eastern evil twins. Thais are angels by comparison.[/QUOTE]Or maybe it's just a Small Dick syndrome, but then again, Koreans have even smaller dicks (according to a report posted some time ago by a member).

Personally, I always have had good relationships (businesswise) with the Japs, but again, they were expats and spoke perfect English. I have a few friends that went to Japan and swore never to return because of how they were treated. I have no desire of visiting Small Dicks Land so I couldn't care less.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1441394]I have a few friends that went to Japan and swore never to return because of how they were treated. I have no desire of visiting Small [xxx] Land so I couldn't care less.[/QUOTE]I would love to go to Japan based on my limited experience with a few Japanese girls I have had the pleasure to shag in Hong Kong and Macau. They were great girls and I was blown away by their gracious personalities and good looks, but I know that Tokyo for a western guy without any Japanese language skills and or a Japanese friend present to guide him and open the doors to the Japanese hidden city of women; the trip would be a big, expensive, frustrating waste of monger time.

The Japanese play it close to the vest. They don't like to share what they have and they don't think most westerners are civilized enough to understand their customs and rules. Consequently foreigner keep out is the name of their game in Japan.

[QUOTE=Kumbu; 1441292]I've been around these joints a lot, albeit several years ago, and I've had similar experiences. In fact, the old routine of the friend doing the ask is nothing new. It serves to do exactly what happened to you: make the whole situation ambiguous, so you don't know if you are in a P4P situation.

You are obviously a generous man (watch out, you may get flamed by the cheap charlies on this forum. Just ignore them). This is important.

No question she is in the game, although I doubt she thinks she's in the game. Joints like Spasso, Bossy, Spicey, Climax, etc. Are not frequented by wholesome girls who are just out for some clean fun. They want the sex with the foreigners, and they want the money too. So it is a mixed bag. I've been in perhaps a dozen such situations, two of which elevated into something semi-serious before I broke them off. This definitely has the potential to spin into a clingy situation, if you are not careful. Although perhaps that's what you want. No judgment.

I'm about your age too, and probably in the same kind of socioeconomic situation as you, and probably less good looking than you, so I can somewhat relate. My honest evaluation of this girl is that she is looking for a boyfriend who will support her. She's also looking for someone who will look good to her friends, and you presumably fit that bill, since she was with her friends when she took off with you. Put all that together, and you can expect to pay for her shopping, dinners, spending money, and a brand-spanking new smart phone (hey, she obviously needs one). In return, you will get excellent sex and the true privilege of getting skunk eye from every guy who ever sees you with that gorgeous beauty clung to your arm.

I think you can also expect to get some emotional pressure. This one sounds like she likes you, and it sounds like a little bit of courtship going on, which is a dangerous place to be for a monger. If you are 'confused by this one', it means she's getting under your skin, and that probably feels pretty good right about now. Perhaps you need to think about what this is getting you. Is that thrill purely sexual, or is it massaging your ego too? Is it giving you a sense that you are not 40 years old now, but more like in your early 30s? Is it giving you some escapism from a dull life? Whatever the case, my only serious advice is this:

[b]If you have family commitments back home that you are not willing to break, you need to stop and think about this. [/b]

Kids? Wife? GF? If they are not expendable, then this might not be what you want to do, because it could very well get ugly. And if you decide this won't be a long term relationship, you need to tell her now, before things get any deeper. It will only get harder to break it off with her as time goes by, so just stop and think about whether you are ready for this. I know you want to walk around the Paragon with her on your arm, and you want to go back to the hotel with this sexy little thing and share bubble baths with her and pretend she is your girlfriend, but the fantasy will end, and when it does, you will have to decide whether you want to keep her long term or ditch her then.

On the other hand, if that is not a concern, and you have the money to burn, then go for it. Such relationships can be thrilling and very satisfying, and definitely waaaaay better than your regular gogo girl ho-hum fare in BKK. I've been in four or five (two from nightclubs, the others from other situations in LOS) , and they have all ended with a tinge of pain, but with positive memories overall.[/QUOTE]Well put.

The last 2 paragraphs, especially, are EXCELLENT advice and the OP would do well to read, re-read, re-read again and commit it to heart.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1430258]Haven't read such a complete and informative report in a while. Well done.[/QUOTE]Even though I am new to the board, I have to say it was the best trip report I have read to date.

You need only read all the bullshit on price, limitations etc on the Japan thread to find out. I roll my eyes at such content.

I live in Tokyo and prefer to do all my mongerin in other parts of the world. I am due in Manila next week.

When the woman's 40 min timer (Timer she leaves near the bed) is up, its time to close up shop.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1441398]I would love to go to Japan based on my limited experience with a few Japanese girls I have had the pleasure to shag in Hong Kong and Macau.[/QUOTE]You mean the Monolians they try to pass off as Japanese in Familia Nobre?

[QUOTE=Pita123;1441537]You mean the Mongolians they try to pass off as Japanese in Familia Nobre?[/QUOTE]Ha! That's funny because I know exactly the faux Japanese girls you are referring to. I saw a couple of them in Nobre this March, the last time I was in Macau. I did not find them very appealing. East Spa had a super model that they claimed was Japanese. I had my doubts about her origin. She just did not look it, but whatever nationality she was, she was gorgeous. She was dressed in a colorful kimono and I swear she was 9*. Her price was 3600hk. I was relieved when a Chinese punter took her, because I was sorely tempted even though I knew it was way too much money.

No, I am talking about real Japanese girls. I haven't been with a lot, only 3, but they were extraordinary and unlike any other Asian girls I have ever been with. Suko, for example below, is a Japanese 141 girl I met in Hong Kong in 2011. There is no mistaking the way she looks nor her personality. Only a Japanese girl could act the way she did in making sure every step of the way she was servicing me well and that I was having a good time. Our little session together was right after the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear disaster and Suko was very concerned about her family. It was her last night in HKG and she was heading back to Japan the next day. I saw her passport and plane ticket. I wouldn't say Suko is gorgeous, but I liked the way she looked and her thin firm body. My session with her was not a GFE. It was more like a Geiko - esq experience. I was very lucky to have had her.

So I am kind of gaga over real Japanese girls and want to have more of them. Are there any Japanese board members reading this? I would be up for a tour of the Tokyo red light districts. I wouldn't bother going to Japan without a Japanese wing man by my side. Drop me a line.

[QUOTE=McMaiden; 1441275]A couple of weeks ago, I hit Levels. Great club and nice vibe about the place.

After a couple of rounds, walked up to 2 girls. One hottie in a tight purple dress (looked to be 172 cm atleast) , really fair and hot body and another girl in a black cock-tail. Chit-chat, got them a few drinks, got comfortable, dancing, etc and told the purple one 'let's go'. We just walked out and her friend follows us and says 'you give her something'. I said, sure, will take care of her.

I sent her off with 4000 since I had a meeting and arranged to meet her for lunch at Paragon. Took her for a nice lunch (covered by company) and some shopping.

- Do you think that she's in the game? She said that she goes clubbing sometimes to RCA, Bed Supper etc but her friends go to Bossy, Spicy etc etc (where good girls should not be going hahahah).

- Came home with me on the first nite without too much hassle. I am 40, earning well, reasonable shape and looks, dress and smell good but no Tom Cruise.[/QUOTE]Amazing. You gave her 4000 baht and took her shopping and now you want to know if she is in the game? Well if she wasn't before I'm sure she is now. When you are home and you meet a chick do you give her money the next morning then take her shopping on top of that?

Why is it that you think you need to be Tom Cruise to pick up a chick? She was probably no Angelina Jolie either, but what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1441398]I would love to go to Japan based on my limited experience with a few Japanese girls I have had the pleasure to shag in Hong Kong and Macau. The Japanese play it close to the vest. They don't like to share what they have and they don't think most westerners are civilized enough to understand their customs and rules. .[/QUOTE]HK and Macau, Japanese have them trained well. Also in their places in Jakarta. In BKK though the Thai ones working Japanese clients (the usual place) overdo it with the squeeling and sqweeking act. Improper training.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational; 1441601]Amazing. You gave her 4000 baht and took her shopping and now you want to know if she is in the game? Well if she wasn't before I'm sure she is now. When you are home and you meet a chick do you give her money the next morning then take her shopping on top of that?

Why is it that you think you need to be Tom Cruise to pick up a chick? She was probably no Angelina Jolie either, but what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?[/QUOTE]I know relatively many girls like this. We can call them whatever we like but this chick was probably relatively newly introduced to this "game" from her friends and gets tempted for some quick cash. We can not underline enough it is relatively easy money for a girl and almost stupid to say no (most likely her friends tell her it is a nice way to earn some bucks).

Most likely she go with some men from time to time (guys she in a way like and not only "his" money. Even ofcourse money will be a great motivation). This chick is not a hardcore prostitute. Many girls going to Spasso, Q-Bar, Levels and places like that go to have fun and if they see a guy they "like" they go. They work out of their free mind. Other girls I know they will almost not even BTS themself pass Lower Sukhumvit area as they find it to be all in prostitutearea (and from their own work and rep if they were seen around here people would start asking question). So it is a strange life and another thing, atleast if we think the girls have some sort of feelings for a guy. This trip (I am back home again. Crying) I met a few girls beeing so horny so if it was acting (even squirters) well atleast they act extremely good. And when a girl don't want to leave but wants to fuck more and more, well, I think we all can agree she atleast enjoy her "work" to a certain point.

[QUOTE=Harold444; 1441211]Wait, theres more!

You ever seen or heard anything like this situation mr BJ?

Ever since I made the comment I may not be requiring her services but once a month, she has cut off all access to her nipples. I can't get my fingers in anymore. LOL. I compensate her for it as I do for those who let me have a quick feel. LOL.

That superstar even gives me more than I ask for. She actaully lets me fondle them (one step up from copping a feel). Very good value...[/QUOTE]H, I have seen, heard of and experienced situations like this one. You are trying to lock the stable door after the horse has bolted. You allowed her to take control of the situation because you made it obvious you were infatuated with her and that is where you made the mistake. Working girls are not intelligent, but they are cunning. If I were in your situation I wouldn't bother telling her anything I would forget her and move onto the next one, even from the same bar if you like. I get the impression you feel indebted to her in some way which is nonsense, you paid for her time under increasing restrictions because you made it clear she could manipulate you. You don't owe her anything.

You say she is making it so hard for you to spend money on her, then stop trying. Problem solved. Thai's in general and working girls in particular operate different sets of logic to Westerner's. For example many exclusively Thai owned companies are superficially judged by the number of employees they have instead of turnover, unit production / labour costs or profit and loss. Consequently many Thai companies, although not all, are deemed to be very successful even though they could operate with 30% less labour and increase profits. My own experience was after helping a bar girl financially who I had known well for a year we had a disagreement about her paying the money back. It was not a large sum of money but there was a principle involved. In the end it boiled down to not seeing eye to eye over 2, 000 baht! The result was she did not want to speak to me ever again? Fine by me. I calculated since this time she has lost around 30, 000 baht in ST payments, plus meals, plus drinks, plus days out. Net loss to her is 28,000 ++, this is a good example of the level of logic these girls operate on. At the end of the day there are a million of her kind for me to choose from, there are not a million of my kind for her to choose from.

If you offered a working girl 1,000 baht here and now or 3,000 baht in ten days time I bet the vast majority would take the 1,000 now. So in summing up I think you got in too deep and she is indisputably taking advantage of you. Fuck her off and learn from the mistakes you have made. In life it is ok to make mistakes but it is what we do about it after the fact that counts.

I doubt she finds you any more disgusting than the majority of her other customers, with the possible exception of the finger in the arse. Don't lose any sleep over her and start giving the forum FR's about the new girls you are banging.

Regards,

BJ

[QUOTE=Kumbu;1441292]On the other hand, if that is not a concern, and you have the money to burn, then go for it. Such relationships can be thrilling and very satisfying, and definitely waaaaay better than your regular gogo girl ho-hum fare in BKK. I've been in four or five (two from nightclubs, the others from other situations in LOS) , and they have all ended with a tinge of pain, but with positive memories overall.[/QUOTE]That is the reason we pay these girls: so they go away without drama