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[QUOTE=Mursenary;2510206]I guess you are against drunk driving laws and their efficacy too huh? Oh the tyranny![/QUOTE]Dude, drunk driving isn't something normal. Going to school, college, work, dinner, FKK these are normal people activities. You don't see the difference? Did you drink the whole bottle? LOL.
[QUOTE=Gino02;2510181]What kind of stupid believes that everybody will do exactly what he wants (or wishes) everybody to do? And, what kind of moron believes that trying that same failed "requesting everybody to do same thing" repeatedly will result in different result? LOL.[/QUOTE]This sentence makes no sense and it makes you sound like an idiot! Asking people to do the right thing is no longer worth it now? However, your 'LOL' at the end makes me hope you were kidding!
[QUOTE=Gino02;2510181]Time to try something else genius. Try hazmat suits 24 x7 if you are weak or scared or both, leave alone those "everybody" who doesn't fall under your wishful dictatorship.[/QUOTE]No, fucking moron, you don't have the liberty of infecting vulnerable people. Your freedom ends there.
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2510165]It's not that you don't have a point, the problem is merely that you and the links you've posted are so exaggerated. Like the clip for that film or whatever it is, people are not laughing at it because it's true.[/QUOTE]As I said these are generalizations and there are exceptions to every rule. You could find Spanish loners who minimize social contact just as you could find Swedish that crave social contact, but I do not think you would find many people who will disagree with the statement that "Spanish are more warm and social than Swedish". Expats will often exchange experiences about what it is like to live in different countries and Sweden, being an English-friendly country, will come up often. Over and over you will find accounts like these:
[QUOTE]The Swedes have certain social behavioral rules that they uphold very strictly. And rule number one goes as follows: you do not intrude into another persons sphere. This goes as far as to not greet your neighbor in the corridor because youd rather spend some awkward 30 seconds of silence in the elevator than engage in small-talk. I guess what Im trying to say is: if you want to overcome social anxiety, Sweden is probably not the best place to move to. While spending time in countries such as England and Germany has encouraged me to open more and be more relaxed towards other people, Sweden has done the exact opposite to me. Honestly, Ive become much more introverted in this country because nobody ever encourages you to socialize in any way.
https://fabiamorger.wordpress.com/2016/03/24/sweden-a-country-of-introverts/
[/QUOTE]Here is an academic paper submitted to a Swedish university:
[QUOTE]The purpose of this study was to examine the relevance and experience of social interaction in Lund, Sweden. Contemporary Sweden has been subjected to a global reputation of being a society whose social climate is viewed as one of high reservation, and unsociability. The assumption that native Swedes are shy, and prefer solitude are other perceptions. Statistical reports of mental health seem to indicate a discrepancy between the considerably functional welfare status Sweden has earned globally with its egalitarian message and commitment to life quality for its citizens versus its reputation as a faulty social climate, causing headlines around integration policies. This study used a phenomenological, emergent design in which five qualitative interviews were conducted consisting of three native, and two non-native Swedes. The narrative texts were analyzed with the Meaning Constitution Analysis (MCA) -Minerva (Phenomenological software program) as well as analysis of entity and predicate content from the interview material. The results reveal that Swedish social climate is perceived as being one with high levels of isolation, reservation, individualism, in which Swedish social norms contributes to the challenges of loneliness, exclusion, the lacking of trust and openness, perceived to exist within social interactions amongst individuals.
https://lup.lub.lu.se/student-papers/search/publication/7513678.[/QUOTE]Look Sweden had no mandatory lockdown. So if Swedish had been social as say people in Latin America, than we should expect maybe 70 percent of the Swedish population to already have antibodies, and if 70 percent had acquired antibodies naturally, then there would be no second wave, because it is extremely rare to be re-infected. New cases are several hundred percent over the summer peaks. Increased testing would not explain this sharp increase in new cases because they have not ramped up their testing by several hundred percent.
[QUOTE=McAdonis;2510044].......... Scandinavians make that extra effort to keep away from each other. Here is another one taken up close where we can more closely gauge how far apart people actually are. This is NOT taken April 2020 at the height of CV19 hysteria, but September 2019. [URL]https://www.reddit.com/r/Finland/comments/d3knjz/currently_witnessing_the_finnish_bus_stop/[/URL]........[/QUOTE]I just had to respond to this. I visited Sweden in 1992 and went into a department store to buy a towel, a female store attendant came to me to assist and while we were talking she came very close to me. The reason why I remember that after all these years is because that was the closest a store attendant had ever come to me. It just stuck in my memory. She was actually quite hot.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2510389]I just had to respond to this. I visited Sweden in 1992 and went into a department store to buy a towel, a female store attendant came to me to assist and while we were talking she came very close to me. The reason why I remember that after all these years is because that was the closest a store attendant had ever come to me. It just stuck in my memory. She was actually quite hot.[/QUOTE]In the old days or tourist books, I would read it beforehand, and afterwards wonder if the author had even been to the place, since I often found the reality so different than what I had read.
I was discussing the French rudeness with a bike tour guide in Portugal once at the exact time some asshole started honking at us because we were theoretically in the wrong lane but it would have been too difficult to turn from the correct lane. The guide pointed out that if I was writing a review of Portugal, I would be overly biased by the person honking the horn.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2510389]I just had to respond to this. I visited Sweden in 1992 and went into a department store to buy a towel, a female store attendant came to me to assist and while we were talking she came very close to me. The reason why I remember that after all these years is because that was the closest a store attendant had ever come to me. It just stuck in my memory. She was actually quite hot.[/QUOTE]Nah you are lying. The basement Internet "experts" already proved that Swedish people don't come close to another human being. Ever.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2510220]Why am I so stupid? Probably my poor American public education, who knows for sure?
Anyway, see the forest above the trees. Yes you are technically correct, but the whole point was to show how Swedes keep small social circles, limit unnecessary interactions, and thus limiting respiratory spread. Let's keep focus.
But on the topic of being technically right or wrong for poorly consequential points. Not all of his figures were of Finland.[/QUOTE]Was that link included in the post that I responded to? No. Or did you think I've read all his posts, LMFAO!
I'm not interested in your irrelevant gibberish.
[QUOTE=RockyV;2510340]This sentence makes no sense and it makes you sound like an idiot! Asking people to do the right thing is no longer worth it now? However, your 'LOL' at the end makes me hope you were kidding!
No, fucking moron, you don't have the liberty of infecting vulnerable people. Your freedom ends there.[/QUOTE]Brother, "right thing" is simply a relative statement. For example, rioting and looting is not the "right thing" to me when protesting, though it is "right thing" according to many people. Same about this virus situation. I don't think it is a "right thing" to force me to inhale my own toxic carbon-dioxide and stop going to gym, thus impacting my future health just to delay deaths of some people who weren't careful about their own health earlier, who smokes, drinks too much and do drugs, who doesn't work out and who chose to eat bad for years and thus self-created their own weaker health condition. Those people should have taken care of themselves all through their lives as opposed to now asking me to ruin my health to delay their deaths. If they want to live longer, now they should wear hazmat suits 24 x 7 to avoid the virus and start living healthy life.
It's not my personal virus, it's something in the flora and fauna, it's something in the air and everywhere. Nobody is infecting vulnerable people willingly (well, except for China). The weak people simply don't have the necessary natural immunity to fight the virus (see above for reasons for most cases). My freedom has nothing to do with it.
It simply doesn't make sense that so many of you are against the suggestion of weak and / or scared people wearing hazmat suits 24 x7. Aren't the hazmat suits scientifically proven to be the best protection to avoid any virus or pathogen?
[QUOTE=McAdonis;2510386]As I said these are generalizations and there are exceptions to every rule. You could find Spanish loners who minimize social contact just as you could find Swedish that crave social contact, but I do not think you would find many people who will disagree with the statement that "Spanish are more warm and social than Swedish". Expats will often exchange experiences about what it is like to live in different countries and Sweden, being an English-friendly country, will come up often. Over and over you will find accounts like these:
Here is an academic paper submitted to a Swedish university:
Look Sweden had no mandatory lockdown. So if Swedish had been social as say people in Latin America, than we should expect maybe 70 percent of the Swedish population to already have antibodies, and if 70 percent had acquired antibodies naturally, then there would be no second wave, because it is extremely rare to be re-infected. New cases are several hundred percent over the summer peaks. Increased testing would not explain this sharp increase in new cases because they have not ramped up their testing by several hundred percent.[/QUOTE]Exaggerations, speculations and faulty conclusions. There shouldn't be any cases at all in Sweden if the way you describe things was true. The ability to perform tests increased drastically compared to the spring. In March / April people basically received the message that there's no idea to get tested because of the shortage of tests. Now and earlier in the fall the message was another, come and get tested! Everyone who wants to get tested will get tested. It's not possible to compare then and now. The message to the public changed drastically and in Sweden the people listen. The situation would be a different if not such a large part of the population got the virus in the first wave.
It's more interesting to look at the housing situation and the public health than to make ignorant comments about other people's culture.
[QUOTE=McAdonis;2510386]As I said these are generalizations and there are exceptions to every rule. You could find Spanish loners who minimize social contact just as you could find Swedish that crave social contact, but I do not think you would find many people who will disagree with the statement that "Spanish are more warm and social than Swedish". Expats will often exchange experiences about what it is like to live in different countries and Sweden, being an English-friendly country, will come up often. Over and over you will find accounts like these:
Here is an academic paper submitted to a Swedish university:
Look Sweden had no mandatory lockdown. So if Swedish had been social as say people in Latin America, than we should expect maybe 70 percent of the Swedish population to already have antibodies, and if 70 percent had acquired antibodies naturally, then there would be no second wave, because it is extremely rare to be re-infected. New cases are several hundred percent over the summer peaks. Increased testing would not explain this sharp increase in new cases because they have not ramped up their testing by several hundred percent.[/QUOTE]Oh, and let me tell an anecdote about the "warm&social Spaniards". I was lost in Malaga so when I saw two women walking by so I went up and asked them for the directions and they just walked around me without uttering a word. So much for your "warm&social Spaniards".
[QUOTE=Turgid;2510389]I just had to respond to this. I visited Sweden in 1992 and went into a department store to buy a towel, a female store attendant came to me to assist and while we were talking she came very close to me. The reason why I remember that after all these years is because that was the closest a store attendant had ever come to me. It just stuck in my memory. She was actually quite hot.[/QUOTE]If she got within a forearm's length away from you, then that is kissing range. And I would say a 99 percent chance, she was flirting with you But I would say that is universal across all cultures.
Cultural context matters. This concept of personal space isn't rocket science. Can we agree that some cultures are more touchy, feelier than others? Again this will vary between individuals and whether alcohol is involved. If a civilian Latina touches my arm, that is probably something she does with all her friends. I would have to rely on other cues to determine if she is actually flirting with me. If a civilian Nordic or German girl touches my arm while speaking then I would say there is a significantly higher likelihood that she is flirting. Now if a girl, touches my crotch, then there is no ambiguity. I would say that is universal across all cultures.
[URL]https://fee.org/articles/3-studies-that-show-lockdowns-are-ineffective-at-slowing-covid-19/[/URL]
Convinced now?
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2509075]It's funny that you're so obsessed with me that you go through my posts that are several months old. I guess I can live rent free in your empty head. At the time of my post Ireland had more deaths than Sweden.[/QUOTE]No ShooTroll once again you're lying, Ireland had always less deaths than Sweden, look at this graph.
[URL]https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&time=2020-03-19..latest&country=SWE~IRL®ion=World&deathsMetric=true&interval=total&perCapita=true&smoothing=0&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc[/URL]
See how the Ireland curve is always clearly under the Sweden curve? And see how the Sweden curve is steeper now?
Oops sorry I made again a big mistake, Sweden was under Ireland between the 12th and the 13th of March! Maybe you wrote your post the 13th of March?
As for the rest of your bullshit, I'll correct you again later when I won't be in a hurry to go to bed or to eat.
Until then, some readings for you:
[URL]https://time.com/5899432/sweden-coronovirus-disaster/[/URL] (I love the title).
[URL]https://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/articles/28759/the-swedish-model-is-a-failure-not-a-panacea[/URL]
[URL]https://www.ft.com/content/4f6ad356-9f61-4728-a9aa-3fa1f232035a[/URL]
[URL]https://covidfactcheck.se/[/URL]
Did you read the [URL]nature.com[/URL] article about your fantasized herd immunity? Fascinating no?
[QUOTE=Gino02;2510315]LOL I'm not labeling you as weak (this is another problem with some people, always putting their words onto someone else's mouth LOL), you should know if you are weak or not, and accordingly decide what's best for you. But please don't try to decide what's best for me or others who don't want your suggestions. Clear now?[/QUOTE]Fair enough.
But "weak," whatever that means. At least 50 percent of hospitalized covid patients had no diagnosed comorbidities and over half are under 65. But here you are, remaining focused on death as being the only point of measurement.
[QUOTE=Gino02;2510317]Dude, drunk driving isn't something normal. Going to school, college, work, dinner, FKK these are normal people activities. You don't see the difference? Did you drink the whole bottle? LOL.[/QUOTE]Drunk driving is not normal NOW. It took decades of various state laws and social initiative to get us to where we are today. It's called progress and evolution, try to embrace it.
I bet in the early 1900's there were idiots like yourself screaming, "damn laws are infringing on my freedom. Kid should have gotten out of the way faster. ".
[QUOTE=Gino02;2510489][URL]https://fee.org/articles/3-studies-that-show-lockdowns-are-ineffective-at-slowing-covid-19/[/URL]
Convinced now?[/QUOTE]I'm not especially pro lock down but against bastardization of science by people who don't understand the process.
So No, not convinced, especially when citing a third party organization cherry picking inconclusive studies.
Here are direct links to actual peer reviewed studies not published by an organization with an agenda:
[URL]https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)32153-X/fulltext[/URL]
[URL]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7268966/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(20)30201-7/fulltext[/URL]
[URL]https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m2809[/URL]
[QUOTE=ShooBree;2510432]Was that link included in the post that I responded to? No. Or did you think I've read all his posts, LMFAO!
I'm not interested in your irrelevant gibberish.[/QUOTE]Right. Sounds like a lapse in personal responsibility on your part. In the end, still wrong, either in your assertions or your understanding of the word, "all".