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[QUOTE=Kippen;2574632]I understand that I need to provide a negative test (antigen is OK?) when entering the club. But if I bring my own it can be 1-8 weeks old, impossible for the reception to know how old my test is?[/QUOTE]Are you not ashamed to write things like that. If 1 day we want to go out of the pandemic we will have to follow all the rules and regulations and not trying to cheat, why are you cheating with your heath and with the health of the others?
[QUOTE=SharksHunter;2573318]It's a business and they're allowed to charge whatever rates they choose. You as well can go find other clubs, not a big deal. Thinking "other men will not go" is equivalent to being out of touch with reality. The market has already spoken given that more men showed up than girls on opening night.[/QUOTE]I fear you are correct. But I think it is a little premature to declare the market has spoken based on opening night. Or even the next two-three months. Not everyone reads sex forums, so I suspect the majority of me men visiting Sharks are not aware of the new hourly rates until they speak to the WGs. My understanding is that attendance at most of the NRW clubs tapered off after the two weeks, and that is with prices in NRW mostly remaining constant. So this initial rush of clients at Sharks is to be expected after a lockdown. Plus watching the European football championship gives many men a convenient excuse to visit the brothel. Whether the customers regularly return remains to be seen.
On the German forums, there seems to be references to the nighttime clientele, the younger shisha bar clients from the Orient who always enter in groups with their supposed fake Rolexes from Istanbul and fancy cars. The German posters seem to imply that they believe this social dynamic leads them to spend more money to impress friends. And demand less services because they are drunk and will end end the room after 15 minutes to get back to socializing with their friends.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2574805]On 2017, Sharks became Asian, reason why girls ask for increasing rate. US also need to tip, from their culture, when best tip for high level girls is when you return to repeat and some are proud among their club and even about staff, when they have a very regular who come from far and everybody know in the club.[/QUOTE]I've directly asked Germans if they tip the girls, including HessenBub via DM, and many say yes in the amount of 10-20 euro if the service is good. Just like when Germans dine out, it is common to pay more, up to the next 5 or 10 euro increment as tip. French are known to be the most tight with their money.
[QUOTE=McAdonis;2574902]I fear you are correct. But I think it is a little premature to declare the market has spoken based on opening night. Or even the next two-three months.[/QUOTE]I suspect that the upsell level will return to normal by September. There will be not be many business travelers or Messe clients. August as always will be slow with European holiday month. By the end of August, the fair market value will reveal itself.
There is a difference between tipping a waitress who makes 10 euros an hour and a WG who makes 100 euros an hour.
[QUOTE=GironimoJones;2573756]Thought you might be UK based and in a similar position to myself.
You meet very very few North Americans in places like Sharks or Oase. Certainly those who travel across the Atlantic from the US and Canada are incredibly scarce. They just don't have the holiday time to travel for long periods. 2 x 8-12 hour flights plus travel to and from the airport is normally too much for most who might try to consider a long weekend trip.
Most of the North Americans I have met have been based in Europe or occasionally have been visiting on business. It sometimes amazes me how many posting in Germany FKK are from the US and travel from the US.
With so many guys based in North American it certainly baffles me that no one is posting about the number one issue. Perhaps these guys are primarily on the keyboard and simply do not come but once in a blue moon and simply do not know. I guess they will figure it out in time. I am sure you are aware and good that you can travel.[/QUOTE]I am in a similar position unfortunately.
I have found like you that I meet relatively few Americans in Sharks, but am more likely to meet English guys there than in any other club. German customers also seem very friendly to English guys (regardless of football history) and have given me many tips about good service / good pricing girls.
On the separate discussion about tips, Germans readily give tips of 10 or 20 for decent service. No need to pay 100 for half-hour.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2574951]I've directly asked Germans if they tip the girls, including HessenBub via DM, and many say yes in the amount of 10-20 euro if the service is good. Just like when Germans dine out, it is common to pay more, up to the next 5 or 10 euro increment as tip. French are known to be the most tight with their money.[/QUOTE]So, Germans lie when they ask not to pay more than rate? I almost never tip, but most of girls return to me. When girl is good, then I drive many kilometers for her.
[QUOTE=Kippen;2574632]I understand that I need to provide a negative test (antigen is OK?) when entering the club. But if I bring my own it can be 1-8 weeks old, impossible for the reception to know how old my test is?[/QUOTE]You can even provide your neighbor test, but they will ask to check your ID and check date of your test.
[QUOTE=McAdonis;2574902]On the German forums, there seems to be references to the nighttime clientele, the younger shisha bar clients from the Orient who always enter in groups with their supposed fake Rolexes from Istanbul and fancy cars. The German posters seem to imply that they believe this social dynamic leads them to spend more money to impress friends. And demand less services because they are drunk and will end end the room after 15 minutes to get back to socializing with their friends.[/QUOTE]I'm glad you brought up the German gripes about the Turkish Germans. Plenty has already been said about the international Asian presence. In a perfect mongering world for the mongering purist, the FKK scene would be the way it was pre 2008, back before it was well known to others besides ethnic Germans. But such is the result of having these places in a free capitalist nation. The demographics of Germany is fairly diverse and it was a matter of time that Germany's second largest ethnic group would make their presence known in the clubs. As well, mega clubs like Sharks and even Oase was built to attract international mongers. Look at Oase's pamphlets. I think they make like 6+ different ones in different languages. Sharks has been international since the club's infancy. The clubs themselves are not even own by Germans.
The guys on the regional forums complaining about these other groups and their behaviors are completely unaware of the business behind the scenes. Clubs like LR, Babylon, or even Dietz would be more to their liking as they obviously cater to the German pensioner tastes. They can't have it both ways. They can't have the most beautiful girls in one club while also expecting these premium girls to give the best service for a mere 50 euro without much possibility to extending to even a 100 e hour. Compare this the Brazilian terma where half hour rates are not even available. Yes, that's the way it was at the turn of the century when FKKs first took off, but that was hardly ever going to last in a first world country like Germany.
Chasing the 50 e all everything room, while a nice plus when you do find it, is a fools errand that will eventually lead to endless complaints, time wasted, more frustration, and in the end, fighting a losing battle.
But lastly as a caveat, a quality 50 e room means different thing to different people. Some people want full intimacy, DATY, DFK, BBBJ, and 3 different positions in exactly 29 minutes and 55 seconds. Others may just be happy with a somewhat full 30 minute room and BBBJ without requiring the GFE. The first is in for a world of hurt but the latter may stand a fighting chance of expecting these services for several more years. But even if so, the timer is still ticking and more and more time will be spend penny pinching and deal hunting and less time actually enjoying the hobby.
Me, I just want either a full hour for 100 euro with GFE or PSE, either is fine just not a dead fish. If the girl is elite, I may extend time as tip / good will gesture. Sometimes I may actually give a cash tip, but service must be exceptional, especially if they explicitly asks for it.
[QUOTE=Sirioja;2574991]So, Germans lie when they ask not to pay more than rate? I almost never tip, but most of girls return to me. When girl is good, then I drive many kilometers for her.[/QUOTE]Perhaps they are. But one can claim only paying the standard rate and still tip. Tipping an extra 10 e is not the same as being extorted with the 100 e half hour rate. The only place that I've ever heard claims of Germans not tipping is on this forum. Perhaps the old guys club that are at Sharks every Sunday will boast the same.
But I've never heard a German explicitly say in personal conversation that they never tip. In fact, the locals I speak to openly willingly say they sometimes tip for good service. Like I mentioned, HB who I think is German also says so himself. Times change, culture changes and the ethnic Germans I speak to (usually 50 years or under) don't have too much of a problem admitting to some tipping if the service is good.
On the flip, I never tip my regulars. They don't seem to care or even bother to count the money as they know I'll give repeat business. In fact, a few of those super regulars I notice prefer if I don't hand them money directly offering only their purse for me to stuff the money in it. Probably makes them feel less dirty.
[QUOTE=Blacktar1;2574967]I am in a similar position unfortunately.
I have found like you that I meet relatively few Americans in Sharks, but am more likely to meet English guys there than in any other club. German customers also seem very friendly to English guys (regardless of football history) and have given me many tips about good service / good pricing girls.
On the separate discussion about tips, Germans readily give tips of 10 or 20 for decent service. No need to pay 100 for half-hour.[/QUOTE]Yep, you come across the occasional Britisher right enough. My fellow Americans, not so much unless like me they are living locally.
[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2574966]There is a difference between tipping a waitress who makes 10 euros an hour and a WG who makes 100 euros an hour.[/QUOTE]Tipping is a voluntary gift (unless the girl badgers the monger who is cowed down who yields due to pressure). It should not be conflated with demanding extras for basic stuff. I have tipped in the clubs and I don't feel guilty about it nor do I think I am destroying the system. The girl provided the service w / o the expectation of a tip, she does not know a tip is coming, and had I walked away w / o giving a tip she would have been just fine. I don't tip every single girl either; I don't even tip a girl every time I session; it is when the service is great and meriting a tip that one will be forthcoming.
So, when I say "xyz is destroying a pricing system established by the locals" and the rejoinder is "yeah, but the locals are tipping too", honestly that is a BS rejoinder, which does not truly rebut anything. The local or I can tip when and who we want and as long as such tips are occasional, controlled, discretionary and voluntary, the pricing system is perfectly preserved. It is the uneducated, uncaring monger arrogantly declaring "I am so rich, I am full of myself, I am going to pay 100 or 150 for something that is normally costing 50 because I can and wtf can you do?" that is the culprit here. Not the tipping local who rewards good service when such a tip is deserved.
You know what is a lot better than tip. Seeing the a girl again. In normal time, most of them sit around with nothing to do. They are happy if I see them twice during my visit. With so many option, a lot of them are jaded and give shitty services, because they think we will not seen them again. Some don't believe it when, I said I have fun and will see her again. I guess they hear that a lot. Some, when I want them to do something, they said "if I do it, would you see me again later on".
So there you go. It is kind of smart that they think long term. But kind of shortsighted, to think this guy already go with me, I got his money. And fuck the other girl. Because over all, there will be less guy for all the girl.
[QUOTE=HessenBob;2574691]Many tourist come to large Frankfurt FKK clubs. French Italian Dutch Danes Swedes Swiss, some Spanish, some English, some American who live locally. Rarely see American that fly long distance. Rare same as Japanese or Chinese tourist who overpay the women.[/QUOTE]Thanks much for your reports Bob I enjoyed reading of your experiences. Understandable the weekends especially late in the day would be a poor ratio shortly after re-opening. Still you did well with Ivete and I look forward to hopefully finding her myself.
But yes some of us do fly over the pond just for your large clubs full of eastern european ladies. I'll be doing that again next month now that it's getting back to almost normal. Happy to meet up and share stories over a beer if you or anyone else would like. I'll be hitting Sharks and Oase every other day for about a week. Are there no entry promotions yet based on day of week or time of day?
Thanks to this forum I have never paid more than 100/hour and always required both kissing and BBBJ. No interest the Cane's obsession and don't CIM unless I try which I don't in FKKs. Only Melisa rejected my offer. I'll be willing to pay her price of 150 next time as I've often regretted not taking it last time. And I've never heard of tipping the girls. I feel like they should be tipping me LOL but yeah I'm sure it's all acting. Very talented acting though!
[QUOTE=McAdonis;2574902]I fear you are correct. But I think it is a little premature to declare the market has spoken based on opening night. Or even the next two-three months. Not everyone reads sex forums, so I suspect the majority of me men visiting Sharks are not aware of the new hourly rates until they speak to the WGs. My understanding is that attendance at most of the NRW clubs tapered off after the two weeks, and that is with prices in NRW mostly remaining constant. So this initial rush of clients at Sharks is to be expected after a lockdown. Plus watching the European football championship gives many men a convenient excuse to visit the brothel. Whether the customers regularly return remains to be seen.
On the German forums, there seems to be references to the nighttime clientele, the younger shisha bar clients from the Orient who always enter in groups with their supposed fake Rolexes from Istanbul and fancy cars. The German posters seem to imply that they believe this social dynamic leads them to spend more money to impress friends. And demand less services because they are drunk and will end end the room after 15 minutes to get back to socializing with their friends.[/QUOTE]No upselling experienced at Samya where girls were hungry for business. Samya who work a lot with Balkanians was not crowded on a Friday night, 1 week after reopening. Since few years, Sharks also turned Balkanian at night, buying bottles rather than girls, LR also became on 2018 In their culture, they have to be fast for sex to be powerful. When playing with belly muscles to enjoy to stay on the edge, I would be just a shame, but I love this game, full of blood pressure.