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[QUOTE=Jackyo]The further east she comes from, the less likely you and her share the same values. I'd never thought about it this way, but it is true.[/QUOTE]Actually, since she comes from east of 1980 and I come from west of 1950, it's hardly likely that we share the same values regardless of her nationality. I'll leave my Jefferson Airplane records at home. ;-)
[QUOTE=Regnad]
I don't think I'd do another trip alone. Anxiety to find out what this is all about pushed me to do the trip now. Also, I think in going with a friend(s), I'd not be as anxious to get the day going and would likely start the day later. Three or four hours is more than enough time to experience the clubs alone; with friends, time at the bar, time at dinner would add to the experience and elongate it.[/QUOTE]
Then you should try to plan a trip with either myself or Jackyo...or both. Thinking of returning sometime in April or May, so keep in contact and tag along. Much better to visit the clubs with a couple of guys like Jackyo and myself...
[QUOTE=Regnad]Actually, since she comes from east of 1980 and I come from west of 1950, it's hardly likely that we share the same values regardless of her nationality. I'll leave my Jefferson Airplane records at home. ;-)[/QUOTE]
You should fit right in with Bernds target guest demographic.
Thanks to performance enhancing drugs (and no, I'm not talking about anabolic steroids), those old guys are still at it way after you'd have thought they'd have hung their spurs up.
The fountain of youth? It exists in the form of younger women, no doubt about it.
The movie [i]Cocoon[/i] had it all wrong. Those older guys were stuck with their wives. What kind of a fantasy is that, if you really think about it?
[QUOTE=Jackyo]Thanks to performance enhancing drugs (and no, I'm not talking about anabolic steroids), those old guys are still at it way after you'd have thought they'd have hung their spurs up.[/QUOTE]As long as we’re on the subject of Youth: Fountains of and Drugs: Performance Enhancing, my recently completed voyage has sent me off to the research laboratory. What with the stress and fatigue of travel, altered sleeping patterns, and balling more young women in four days than I had in the last six months, my performance, as the day wore on, flagged like that of a middle reliever under the management of Joe Torre as July turns to August, and August to September.
I found that there are two ways to go. The more common is the "legitimate" pharmaceutical way providing near instant relief, taking such drugs as Viagra, to get an ultra-hardon that lasts hours or days. The second way, one which takes considerably longer to achieve results, is to take traditional herbals which have a longer lasting effect and which re-regulate the body so that the blood flows like it used to and niacin levels in the blood are re-regulated, if I may oversimplify things.
I found this article on webmd, [url]http: //*******.com/23yzqv[/url], in which two professors of clinical psychiatry at Columbia University in New York, endorse a readily available preparation called Arginmax. Arginmax is a product of GNC, a natural supplements chain that’s been around for at least 35 years, and is now, I believe, a subsidy of the Rite-Aid drug store chain in the US.
Has anybody here any experience with these substances or Arginmax and, if so, with what kind of results?
I agree that Hessen with Palace and Oase are the best.If you want a full list of FKK clubs by region go to [url]www.igantzmice.com[/url] On first page there is a list of dutsch clubs.Down the page they start info about German FKK.Link to all adresse, [url]www.,[/url] prices etc Nyself i have found everything at Palace and Oase in summer.If you fin a nice club , stay!, the girls change.Have fun!
[QUOTE=Jackyo]Frankfurt is a good place for newbies to start. I wouldn't describe it as [i]a good a spot as any[/i]. There are only really two [b]destinations[/b] in Germany for this activity: NRW and Hessen (where Frankfurt is located). If you find yourself anywhere else in Germany this activity is available but only these two [i]Laender[/i] are travel destinations for mongering.
There are only three major clubs worthwhile visiting in Hessen: the so-called Hessen 3. There are over twenty five, maybe thirty clubs worthwhile visiting in NRW.
There are some major differences between the Hessen clubs and the NRW clubs but I won't go into what those differences are. Suffice it to say that as a newbie you will find what you are looking for in Hessen. This is as much as you need to know.
What do you mean by "not much posted in terms of contacts"? I beg to differ. This forum is chockful of data, particularly on club addresses, how to get to each one whether by car or by public transport.
The search function works, by the way. It works very well. There isn't much of a point in reinventing the wheel each time.[/QUOTE]
I have been reading this great forum for the past few months and enjoyed it greatly. I have questions about the time in the rooms with a girl.
1 Say you meet in a kino and start kissing and BBBJ and then decide to go to a room. When does the 30 or 60 minutes start?
2 Do you have to wear a watch to make sure of the time or is there clocks in every room?
3 Some say with some girls if you go a few mintues over the alloted time the lady wants to charge you for addtional 30m. Then in other posts I read about sessions when after the deed is done you stay and talk with the lady. Would some members please comment on ways not to get over charged on time?
Thanks for any insights!
Time starts in room.Many guys are happy when rooms are full and they get extra time sitting and waiting for room.I never use a clock.Agree before you go to room about time.She should ask if you want to stay longer.Always agrre befrehand about time and payment!
[QUOTE=Chukar]I have been reading this great forum for the past few months and enjoyed it greatly. I have questions about the time in the rooms with a girl.
1 Say you meet in a kino and start kissing and BBBJ and then decide to go to a room. When does the 30 or 60 minutes start?
2 Do you have to wear a watch to make sure of the time or is there clocks in every room?
3 Some say with some girls if you go a few mintues over the alloted time the lady wants to charge you for addtional 30m. Then in other posts I read about sessions when after the deed is done you stay and talk with the lady. Would some members please comment on ways not to get over charged on time?
Thanks for any insights![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Chukar]I have been reading this great forum for the past few months and enjoyed it greatly. I have questions about the time in the rooms with a girl.
1 Say you meet in a kino and start kissing and BBBJ and then decide to go to a room. When does the 30 or 60 minutes start?
2 Do you have to wear a watch to make sure of the time or is there clocks in every room?
3 Some say with some girls if you go a few mintues over the alloted time the lady wants to charge you for addtional 30m. Then in other posts I read about sessions when after the deed is done you stay and talk with the lady. Would some members please comment on ways not to get over charged on time?
Thanks for any insights![/QUOTE]
The sense of thirty minutes as thirty minutes is a very loose one and is subjet to a plus and minus factor.
1) Everything starts once you make physical contact, more or less.
Are there women out there with stop watches who time this to the second? No.
I had some couch action with a chick at Wiago once. We go to find a room but all of the rooms are taken. I suggest we just hang out on the couches and get into it while waiting for a room. She said, she would have the count the time against my thirty minutes. So I countered by saying, why not we just do it out on the couch. No problem there. Problem solved.
2) There usually are no clocks in the rooms. The one club I know always has a clock in each room is Cocoon but otherwise, no. You need to bring a watch with you.
3) Yes, in some instances, i.e. you have picked yourself a clock watcher, you will be billed for going over the thirty minutes. If you are at a club where the women are not clock watchers, thirty minutes will be plus or minus a few minutes.
The way to not be charged over time? Bring a watch. Point to it subtly when the session starts so she knows you are aware of the time. I underline [b]subtly[/b] here.
Ending up in a "you said, she said" argument is not a good thing. On the other hand, being too strict time-wise on your side can ruin the mood.
Your call.
Play your cards right. If you have picked a true non-clock watcher, you have picked yourself a gem and should congratulate yourself.
Billing you for overtime beyond the basic session is a very common practice. It is done a lot at the clubs which have women who prey on newbies.
Want to avoid this problem? Do your homework and evaluate your [i]Lebensabschnittgefaehrtin[/i] carefully before committing to her. Have your scam radar turned on if you visit a club which has a history of scams.
Beware of the [i]running up the clock[/i] strategy. I have been at this a while and a chick at GT did this to me last spring. It came totally out of the blue. I thought she was just one of those women who didn't have her eye on the clock. Nope. She did. In fact, she purposely indulged in time wasting tactics so she could claim I went over the basic thirty minutes. She claimed a whole hour and a half (!)
Overall, its all a matter of chemistry. If you get along with her and she is genuinely happy to be with you because you are pleasant company, make her laugh, are well groomed and are a gentleman in every sense of the word, she will bend the rules and not hold you to an exact thirty minutes of her time.
If she does not really want to be with you, it will be very clear as well to you. She will stand up and make the bed quickly just as soon as you are done, walk you briskly out of the room and stand impatiently while you fish for money in your locker. Then a quick peck on the cheek and she is off to find her next victim.
If it was really only a financial transaction, the next time you see her, she will totally ignore you despite your efforts to smile at her or wave or even make a short meaningless comment. This is the part where I make a small mental note not to go with her ever again.
The really smart ones know that building relationships is more important than turning a maximum number of tricks. There are transaction-oriented women though who ignore the big picture.
[QUOTE=Jackyo]The sense of thirty minutes as thirty minutes is a very loose one and is subjet to a plus and minus factor.
2) There usually are no clocks in the rooms. The one club I know always has a clock in each room is Cocoon but otherwise, no. You need to bring a watch with you.
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You know, I've always wondered why the fuck they do not provide clocks as part of the FFK club room's standard furniture. I mean, time conflicts between the male customer and the working girl must account for a lion's share of the arguments that develop in these clubs. Take a look at clubs like Palace and Oase or GT or PHG where there business can be very brisk sometimes, with long waits for rooms, etc. Also large amounts of money have been invested in rennovations and furnishing these rooms. Why don't they spend the trifling amount it would cost to put some cheap clocks on the walls of these zimmer-chambers? Don't you think the clubs are for some reason purposely avoiding installing clocks? Like casinos? What is afoot?
Ortos
[QUOTE=Beffen1]For 30 minutes of what you describe it would be 100 euro whether you fuck or not- of course you could negotiate but it's going to be hard to get that price down. An hour would be 150 euro. It's 50 euro per 30 minutes and 50 for facial finish CIM.
So fuck her.
beffen[/QUOTE]
Thanks. This makes sense. 50 Euros period for her time and then another 50 for CIM
[QUOTE=Ortos]You know, I've always wondered why the fuck they do not provide clocks as part of the FFK club room's standard furniture. I mean, time conflicts between the male customer and the working girl must account for a lion's share of the arguments that develop in these clubs.[/QUOTE]Interestingly they did have clocks at the now defunct FKK in Prague. And it worked well. They even had a telephone, and so far as I remember you got a single ring five minutes before the end of your time. How about that for service? "Zu Ende ficken, no. 5, your time is almost up." Mind you I wouldn't want to be in charge of the switchboard at Palace or Artemis when there was a Messe.... :-)
Good discussion (sure it was brought up in thread before but I am somewhat new...)
Take the above average to high-end FKK dame. How much $$$ does she make a year?
For sake of my experience and arguement, if she turns 10 tricks a day while working 4 days a week = 100,000EU/yr. That does not include 'extras', and of course some dames (such as Linda from Palace) probably do double that easy.
Question - do the dames have to PAY the club to work at FKK clubs? Assuming the 30 min rate is standard 50EU, what % would the keep?
Just curious
Why have clocks in the rooms when all the girls have built in clocks inside their head? LOL.
Clocks will not solve the problem of time keeping. If a girl wants to rip you off or if a client wants to argue, that can still occur. I can imagine a big scoreboard with a clock timer that you set when you first enter the room! A simple solution is employed in places known as taxi dance joints. When you select a girl, she punches a time clock. When the "dance" is over, she punches the ticket again and you pay by the minute. Not very romantic.
In the old Atlantis, there were girls that gave you extra time if you spent more than 30 minutes with them.
[QUOTE=Dave Jamsis]Good discussion (sure it was brought up in thread before but I am somewhat new...)
Take the above average to high-end FKK dame. How much $$$ does she make a year?
For sake of my experience and arguement, if she turns 10 tricks a day while working 4 days a week = 100,000EU/yr. That does not include 'extras', and of course some dames (such as Linda from Palace) probably do double that easy.
Question - do the dames have to PAY the club to work at FKK clubs? Assuming the 30 min rate is standard 50EU, what % would the keep?
Just curious[/QUOTE]
As far as I've understood, the girls pay the same entry fee as the men and that's it... since the entire premise is that people just "meet" in the FKK club and what happens behind closed doors is "private business". Not sure if the girls have to pay other fees, but the official version AFAIK is that they simply pay the 50 Euro (or however much) entry fee.
Sorry another newbie question!
Do the girls in the clubs provide the condoms or do you bring your own? If you bring your own condoms what brand do you recommend?