Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1448132]I can't even agree with that. There are a lot of dud performers in the Soapies and Oilies unless going to very special places or with your regular girls.

I am getting great advice from go-go bar staff that know me well, and even get advice from other girls. This advice is usually more valuable than what we get at Soapies from papasans / mamasans.

In the bar we a lot of time available to properly sus-out girls, which ones are fun, before making a decision. How can this result in picking out generally bad performers? Very few, if any, lesbian show performers turn out to be poor performers in the Hotel room.

Okay I am not criticising you since I know you are a fun guy, but I challenge the assumptions from guys in general that we cannot easily get fun bar girls. A lot of bar girls are party animals and like to have a fun wild time. I do have to watch out that girls do not take too much alcohol though.

I have a strong suspicion that guys struggle with bar-girls because they go to the wrong bar, pick the wrong types of girl, spend insufficient time with girls first before bar-fining, and lastly may be too stingy, putting girls in the wrong frame of mind. I am not looking for a bargain basement fuck, but more for a fun time. Girls sense this easily and do not even discuss the price.[/QUOTE]My whole post was refuting what Harold said that if you want a good performance you have to pick an ugly girl as all the good lookers give bad service. One bad experience out of 12 in 2013 from go-go girls is saying good service can be had from these ladies regardless of looks provided you make the effort to connect with the lady, have a laugh, don't act too seriously and make her feel relaxed. I should have quantified the last line and said places I visit on a regular basis tend to provide better quality of service.

I am actually agreeing with your point by way of quantifying my original post.

Regards.

BJ

[QUOTE=Phordphan;1447896]But I've seen enough to know that easy and readily available sex is fun for a while, but wears thin quickly. If you don't have some sort of other interests, some sort of "family" relationship, or some other social "anchor," you're screwed.[/QUOTE]Almost everyone I know who has lived here for more than a few years (including myself) has cut back gradually on their girl hunting activities. It's hard for most people not living here to imagine that you can walk into a go-go bar filled with 50 girls where everyone of them will be glad to spread her legs for you and find the whole thing mind numbingly boring, but that is how it gets over time. It's too easy. There is no challenge to it. It lacks intimacy. The exception to this ennui are the sex addicts. Bangkok is a good place for sex addicts and alcoholics and the bars are filled with plenty of both. But most of these guys wash out due to health or financial reasons over time. What a lot of ex-pats do is find a posse of girls that they like and can have fun with and mix these with the occasional new girl that you come across. Or you fall in love.

Love though is a dangerously elusive game here. Lots of guys come here for sex but subconsciously they are looking for love, for a connection, something to fill a hole inside. Sex is easy to find, love is almost impossible. Two-way love I mean. You can certainly have a relationship here but you have to realize that almost always the girl is with you not for love but for what you can do for her and her family. If you can deal with that fine but if you are expecting that your generosity will buy love or at least fidelity you are simply kidding yourself. Most of us would not be here of course if we had had great success with the Western notion of love back home, so lots of guys are happy to have an uncomplicated sex companion who puts up with them. I looked for love and like almost everyone got burnt by it. I think I have learned my lesson but we all want to be loved a little bit. Still I could never be with a girl fulltime who didn't have feelings for me and so I have sort of sadly resigned myself to being on my own for the remainder.

I love living here in Bangkok. Can't think of anywhere I'd rather be. You need balance. Other interests. Friends especially. A few reliable girls. But it's not paradise. There are minefields everywhere and you need to be sure you don't step on too many of them.

[QUOTE=DRRonin;1448310]Love though is a dangerously elusive game here. Lots of guys come here for sex but subconsciously they are looking for love, for a connection, something to fill a hole inside. Sex is easy to find, love is almost impossible. Two-way love I mean. You can certainly have a relationship here but you have to realize that almost always the girl is with you not for love but for what you can do for her and her family. If you can deal with that fine but if you are expecting that your generosity will buy love or at least fidelity you are simply kidding yourself. Most of us would not be here of course if we had had great success with the Western notion of love back home, so lots of guys are happy to have an uncomplicated sex companion who puts up with them. I looked for love and like almost everyone got burnt by it. I think I have learned my lesson but we all want to be loved a little bit. Still I could never be with a girl fulltime who didn't have feelings for me and so I have sort of sadly resigned myself to being on my own for the remainder.[/QUOTE]Well Said Dr.

G.

Please!

I can t be the only one who has no interest in loving a bargirl. LOL. 150 plus sessions with a mp girl-never once did I want to get to know her away from her job. Not want to marry her, rescue her, help her familee, etc.

Something about "how much do you charge "that instantly makes me realize its just business. LOL.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot; 1448224]Chiang Rai? Then you do have Chinese leaning tastes and Northern girls tend to have fairer skin.

I find many NE gals with high cheekbones and square jaws

Well, as they say, to each his own![/QUOTE]Yes I know a lot of northern girls have square jaws. These and the Chinese types are not the ones I like.
Its just that two of my favourite Soapy girls are from Chiang Rai, skin is not too white, not too dark. Faces are smaller and probably have high cheekbones but no wide jaw.

You are right I do go for some of the Indonesians with some Chinese in their ancestry. Some very hot girls from there.

[QUOTE=DRRonin;1448310]There is no challenge to it. It lacks intimacy. The exception to this ennui are the sex addicts. Bangkok is a good place for sex addicts and alcoholics and the bars are filled with plenty of both. But most of these guys wash out due to health or financial reasons over time. What a lot of ex-pats do is find a posse of girls that they like and can have fun with and mix these with the occasional new girl that you come across. Or you fall in love.[/QUOTE]Challenge is not what it is about. It still can be intimate to some extent but more-so fun because I am mostly using girls that I know well for some time. Few completely new girls. I have to admit to being a sex addict, as I think most of us are. Right now though I am away and have to do without sex for 2 weeks. This is possible but abnormal for me. I do have a GF in Bangkok but I am always aware that she will never have as strong a feeling for me to the extent that I feel for her. Equal feeling is hard to find. The sex is good, far better than I had with a Farang wife, but not sufficiently frequent to keep my mind off sex, certainly not daily. Still her quiet personality suits to me.

Fucking other girls maybe some sort of compensation mechanism. Its an alternative to jacking off with porn videos. We don't need to wank in Thailand. I am also very keen on girls being naked.

Her: I, want that for fun. Bcs my friend tell me she play with this when 3 some. But I just look I shy to ask how, much&8207;

Me: hahahahahahahaahahahahahahahah so you want to find a girl to use that on you?

Her: maybe you fuck her and I play with it I not sure but for you I can do. I try to understand you are man some time you fun with another girl I ok. Just I care you and you care, me al ot it good. We happy when we together. You no. 1 for, me. And I no. 1 for you. Just some time you fun with some one I ok. Still angry on me or not. Please smile teerak.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1448368]I do have a GF in Bangkok but I am always aware that she will never have as strong a feeling for me to the extent that I feel for her.[/QUOTE]Depends on the age difference. I find that the larger the number (of years difference) the less likely your TG will really love you more than your wallet.

They like older guys for the "Security" aspect but that's about it.

[QUOTE=DRRonin;1448310]. You can certainly have a relationship here but you have to realize that almost always the girl is with you not for love but for what you can do for her and her family. If you can deal with that fine but if you are expecting that your generosity will buy love or at least fidelity you are simply kidding yourself. .[/QUOTE]What you describe are the working girls. Aere you saying that having lived in LOS for many years that you have not been able to move up the ladder? I have friends who are married to Thai girls but not supporting the families. And they have been married for many years.

[QUOTE=Duniawala;1448419]What you describe are the working girls. Aere you saying that having lived in LOS for many years that you have not been able to move up the ladder? I have friends who are married to Thai girls but not supporting the families. And they have been married for many years.[/QUOTE]Are you dare saying that it is possible to date a Thai woman who you did not meet in a bar and who does not want your money? (Don't give away the secret dude.)

[QUOTE=DRRonin; 1448310]Almost everyone I know who has lived here for more than a few years (including myself) has cut back gradually on their girl hunting activities. It's hard for most people not living here to imagine that you can walk into a go-go bar filled with 50 girls where everyone of them will be glad to spread her legs for you and find the whole thing mind numbingly boring, but that is how it gets over time. It's too easy. There is no challenge to it. It lacks intimacy. The exception to this ennui are the sex addicts. Bangkok is a good place for sex addicts and alcoholics and the bars are filled with plenty of both. But most of these guys wash out due to health or financial reasons over time. What a lot of ex-pats do is find a posse of girls that they like and can have fun with and mix these with the occasional new girl that you come across. Or you fall in love.

Love though is a dangerously elusive game here. Lots of guys come here for sex but subconsciously they are looking for love, for a connection, something to fill a hole inside. Sex is easy to find, love is almost impossible. Two-way love I mean. You can certainly have a relationship here but you have to realize that almost always the girl is with you not for love but for what you can do for her and her family. If you can deal with that fine but if you are expecting that your generosity will buy love or at least fidelity you are simply kidding yourself. Most of us would not be here of course if we had had great success with the Western notion of love back home, so lots of guys are happy to have an uncomplicated sex companion who puts up with them. I looked for love and like almost everyone got burnt by it. I think I have learned my lesson but we all want to be loved a little bit. Still I could never be with a girl fulltime who didn't have feelings for me and so I have sort of sadly resigned myself to being on my own for the remainder.

I love living here in Bangkok. Can't think of anywhere I'd rather be. You need balance. Other interests. Friends especially. A few reliable girls. But it's not paradise. There are minefields everywhere and you need to be sure you don't step on too many of them.[/QUOTE]Pretty well stated. I think there are great relationships to had in BKK, even for older fellows. There are plenty of early to mid 30s gals who concentrated on their careers and think of themselves as "too old" now. Educated, most own cars, condos, etc, and they are not parasites like most BGs who expect a Farang to "take care of family."

I really don't get it. Why one will come over here and compromise their standards. I mean really guys, would you date a 6th grade educated girl with a parasitic family back home? Probably not. Then don't do it here. To scr*w they are fine, but to date? Meh!

These girls are great actresses. It is their job folks. It is what they do. Making you feel "special" and "loved." Turn off the tap and see what you get.

Myself I have never taken care of a family and would not. I have a big problem with leeching mothers, fathers, and brothers, who expect the daughters to go off and support their family on their back. What the h*ll kind of value system is that? Not much of one if you ask me. And mind you, that value system is ingrained in the gals and is a hard one to break.

[QUOTE=Duniawala;1448419]What you describe are the working girls. Aere you saying that having lived in LOS for many years that you have not been able to move up the ladder? I have friends who are married to Thai girls but not supporting the families. And they have been married for many years.[/QUOTE]Me too. Secret- Don't date bar girls. Scr*w them, but let it hang at that.

I guess it is time for a roundup of my experience of Bangkok. Since I have stuck entirely to the tried and tested trails partly because of the fact that it was my first trip and partly because I managed to loose all my cards on the second day itself, I will stick to a few topics rather than a day by day account. Also, a big thank you to the forum members who helped me plan the trip.

Soapy vs Nuru: Tried both and in my opinion Nuru is the clear winner. The slippery slide at all possible angles with a girl was fun. First up I took the 2 hour one for at Dr. BJ Nuru at the end of Soi7/1 because they mentioned that the 2 hour rooms have standard beds along with the sliding mattress. But I realized that one hardly uses it and the 2000bht rooms more than suffice. The selection is much wider there after 5pm and first up I landed there at 11 am and there were only 3/4 girls to choose from. Soapies have lesser opportunities for 'touchpoints' with your girl.

Massage parlor: My standard Mango / Cherry / Ez experience was mixed. I had started my BKK trip with Wan (sent to my room) from Mango and it was a great experience. During the week, I wanted to try another Mango girl. The ones I picked over phone were not there at that time of the day. I then asked the Mamasan over phone to suggest someone who was really into dfk, gave a great BBBJ etc and she suggested the (the wasnt there when I visited Mango during the week). I looked at the photo on the website and said ok. When she came to the room she looked way different from the photos (too much weight). But I still felt obliged to continue. But on the bed she wouldn't kiss. Her BBBJ was less of a BBBJ and more of a hand job. Inspite of my polite requests for a BBBJ she continued with her hand. Though I came, I got mad at the Mango guys for suggesting her, called them up and told them I would want her to leave. Since it was only 30 mins since she entered the room I offered to pay her 1k bht instead of 2. 5 and the Cherry Mamasan was grudgingly accepted it. She left within 5 mins but I didn't really know whether I had done the right thing. I liked Ann (Cherry) as well for her no holds barred (literally as well as figuratively) service and long legs.

Best shows on the gogo bar circuit: IMHO, the better shows are at Suzie Wong (girls eating each other on stage and there was definite tongue contact. I was sitting right there beside the stage) , Baccara and Spanky's (NEP). Spanky's gets its name from the fact that the girls spank each other's ass with an airless tube. I would rather go to the gogo bars for the shows rather than barfine them. I think taking the numbers from the girls and taking them later during your stay is a much better / cheaper alternative. I took two ladies this way: Noon from Suzie Wong and Ba from another bar on Soi Cowboy (can't remember which one). I was very surprised that a few of the women I liked at these bars only wanted to do ST even at a late hour. I spoke to an absolute stunner at Baccara (at 2. 30am) and she would only do ST for 3k+barfine and ST for her was 1 hour. I couldn't figure out whether she just found me ugly or that is the norm there. The only experience where I ran into a girl who ran off within 2 mins of a LD was a hot one from Spanky's.

My mistakes / disappointments: Other than the obvious thing about loosing my stuff, I managed to pick up a ladyboy at NEP. God knowswhat I was thinking but I guess too many drinks does this to you. Had bargained for 2k ST with him (her?) but thankfully realized this in the taxi to the hotel. Asked her to leave and the usual drama ensued with her asking for the entire 2k. Cabbie said something to him in Thai and he took 0. 5k and got off! Another disappointment was the Annies with the girl refusing to do FS. In fact, before taking her I had clarified with the Mamasan that she does BBBJ (which she did) and Dfk (she didn't). I came once in the tub with her BJ and another time in the bed (another BJ). She was very nice to me and had amazing BJ techniques though. I guess it was a mistake to tell her that it was my first time at Annies. I didn't tip her but didn't complain to anyone either. Sorry. Not sure about her number.

Nataree and Eden: I had my better experiences with Nataree girls. These girls look like they have been around for not very long (long enough to know their way around in bed) and they reciprocate if you are nice to them. These girls will easily LT for 3k or even lesser if you play it right with them. I had posted a Nataree report sometime back. As for Eden, the pretty girl (non anal) that I took (name was Pam or Pami) can make it to be a Tier-1 girl at any of the decent gogos of BKK on her looks. But her enthusiasm was way down the bell curve. She did all the right things though but only with a tired smile. Eden is a must have experience for a first timer (I doubt how many would repeat it though, given the plethora of options around).

A postscript: Just as an aside to all the experienced forum members. It would be nice if members do not jump to conclusions on whether a 'SoS' report is genuine or not based on prejudices. If a fellow member is down, it is not really nice to kick him. Disclaimers like 'no offense intended' don't really mean much. Members like like Rjss have come up with intelligent / helpful responses like a Fedex which I found would have been a simple solution.

Putting in two interesting photos. One self explanatory and the other a shot of Tilac bar from their washroom. Am planning a trip to Philli / Cambodia / BKK this October. Need to choose 2 out of the 3 options.

A lot of interesting points have been made in the recent discussion about BKK and p4p vs. Non p4p girls. Every year I usually spend around 2 months in Asia, one month in LOS, mostly BKK and one month spread out between the PI, Macau and wherever. For this reason, I play the short game and look to p4p girls exclusively to show me a good time. I am not disappointed. I know some great working girls and I always enjoy the hunt and meeting new girls.

It just so happened that over the years I have built up a little retinue of favorite bar and massage girls mostly in BKK, but also in the PI. I did not plan it that way. I would return to BKK for example, after a 10 month absence and bump into an old friend or two or three at various Go Go's and massage parlors. So after saying hi, what have you been doing and feeling real good about seeing them again, I would barfine her or take her out of her massage shop. And why not? It always seemed to make perfect sense to me. It was guaranteed great sex amped up with some passionate 10 month reunion sex. I don't think I was romancing the girls or that I had any illusions and neither do I think the girls had any illusions about me. Everybody knows the score. I look at it as very friendly, ongoing, commercial, mutually beneficial, relationships. I know the girls look at it that way too although I am 100% positive that if I asked my Baccara favorite to move in with me into a modern upper Sukhumvit condo, she would accept immediately. In any case, I usually travel solo, so I like spending time with my favorite girls, going out to dinner, hitting some clubs, visiting their apartments, and inviting them over to my hotel swimming pool. Taken for what it is and nothing more, I really enjoy their company. It has become a integral part of my BKK trips like visiting the temples or the Royal Palace. They are all very nice girls or I would not bother seeing them again and again.

Now if I were a long term resident of BKK or some other Asian town, I think my short term game would slowly evolve. After an initial 6 to 12 month orgy in the p4p realm, I speculate that I would start to slow down on that track and open up more and explore the non p4p world. With a lot more time on my hands, I think I would make a serious attempt to learn Thai. Then I would start with the online dating services. I already have a profile in Thai Love Links, DIA, and Filipina Cupid. They send me matches of various girls every week. I like to look at the profiles of the cute girls. I know some of these girls are p4p, but not all, but I never feel like spending the time or energy to follow up on any of these leads because I am still playing the short game. But that would change if I were living in Thailand. I also think I would have more opportunities to meet eligible single Thai women. 26 to 35 years, who work and support themselves independently. And that is just the tip of the iceberg.

So I really look forward to the day when my business and personal affairs in the USA are settled. I am pretty sure that one day I will definitely move to Thailand and give it a try spending ten months a year here and not just two. The truly great thing about living in BKK, and I am glad you resident BKK guys take it for granted, is that in BKK a man need never get horny. There are always hundreds of sexy girls at your beck and call, day or night, to take care of your sexual needs. Thus playing the long game with non p4p BKK girls and having my favorite p4p girls for backup sounds really good to me. But even if I found a great regular Thai girl who has it all; beauty, education, poise, personality, passion, and to top it off, she is independent from a middle class Thai background; I am not so sure I would be interested in having her as a steady long term girlfriend. And that is because even though I do find attractive, independent, Thai girls with a tight bodies, good hearts, stable personalities, decent minds, passionate natures very appealing, and that probably rules out 95% of the p4p girls, but not all; I think I will always want to remain open to any and all possibilities. In any case, I am not looking for a girlfriend. That is not why I want to move to BKK, although if one were to come around, I wouldn't throw her out. I do understand that a small percentage of non p4p girls bring something more to the table than even the nicest pros. But let's just say that I did happen to fall in love with a regular BKK girl (doubtful), that she loved me and I invited her to live with me. I know I would never give up my p4p friends entirely. I think monogamy is a soul killer. I have been there, done that. No thank you. So no matter how it turns out for me as a future BKK resident, I think I would still need/want an afternoon massage at Mango or a little rendezvous with my Baccara favorite from time to time (like once or twice a week). And I would still enjoy the hunt. What can I say? I am a monger. I always will be. I have no regrets.

Early today this girl, sexy 27yrs BKK based old spinner, from my regular fleet "tricked" me into telling her I am back home. I also told her I would stay here atleast 1 more week or so (I did not see any danger in telling this). The next I know she send me her hotelbookings for stay in Oslo arriving tomorrow morning asking if I could pick her and her friend up at the airport, hehe. They are going to Norway on holiday damn it. On my behalf I have obviously left out the part that I live together with my halfpinay GF who is preggy. This is the first time I have experienced a thaigirl just travel like this (kind of hard for people from poor countries to get visa into Schengen. On the other hand I know she is loaded so that is probably the reason=she will return) that is why I saw no danger for once telling the truth of my wherabouts. Well this should be an interesting morning tomorrow. I have cleared my scheduel telling some BS to my GF so I can pick them up at the airport around 7am. Hopefully it will be a morning to remember in Radisson Blu. I am scared and excited at the same time. One advantage to the farmer girls (P4P). They can not pop up in Visa requering countries like this.
But in a longer perspective this can obviously be a bit of a pitfall dealing with normal thaigirls.