Bangkok Reports

So as my last night turns to my last day in Bangkok, I am able to reflect on a totally amazing time. Flew into BKK on Wednesday afternoon and got to the W Hotel (which is great). Had upgraded to a suite knowing I wanted to entertain some ladies and it didn't disappoint.

I had been emailing with this girl June prior to my visit. June is a part-time escort and I had met her on a swingers site that I belong to. Got to give her credit. A very smart way to find guys as she gets to see their pictures and email with them before she commits. June had big tits and a great curvy ass. Very different from many Thai girls. Face was pretty good and she speaks great English and is university educated so we got on very well. I was pretty jetlagged and wasn't looking for an all-nighter and June was perfect. But not cheap. 7k baht for 2 hours at my hotel. But totally worth it. She was great company. A really smart and engaging girl and the sex was very good. If anyone is interested in meeting her (she doesn't really advertise anywhere else) , PM me and I can give you her details on the swingers site but I think you will have to join in order to message her.

Thursday night I wanted to try the seedier side of Bangkok so went to the Eden Club. Took one look at the girls and headed out the door. Bad news. Even a threesome isn't worth the money if the girls are butt ugly. Really sad looking girls there. Headed over to Patpong night market to do some fake goods shopping for friends and family. Even after going to the "back room" showrooms, pretty lame. Starting drinking and got drunk and crazy horny pretty quick. Passed by Kangaroo Club and said "what the hell". So listen, I was pretty drunk at this point and so I went through with it, but I'm pretty disturbed about the whole experience. It was so fucking dirty and depressing that I'm still trying to "shower" it off. If you must go, make sure you drink a shitload before.

Friday was a quiet night for me. Took the boat to Asiatique to check it out. Cool place but pretty lame shopping. Headed back to the W Hotel and chatted up some girls at the lobby bar but nothing happening. Turned in early with a movie.

Saturday started with an amazing "proper" Thai massage at Health Land. If you want a good and dirt cheap Thai massage, you have to go there. 500 baht for 2 hours.and it was really good. I had planned a night of dancing and hardcore sex for Saturday. Had spoken with Bangkok Gold Escort earlier in the week and had booked an overnight (or 8 hours as they list it) with Mandy. She was supposed to come by the hotel at 10pm. At 9pm I got a message from them that she had gotten her period. I had planned this whole night and was pretty disappointed but luckily, Bell was available. The crew at Bangkok Gold is top notch. Really went to all lengths to explain the pros / cons of each girl and make sure I got the one I wanted. But at this point, I didn't have much choice so decided to have Bell come over. Thank the lord! Here's the deal with Bell. She has not tits at all and speaks little English. Enough to talk a little to but not to have great conversations with. But she is incredibly sweet and a fucking sexual dynamo. We went to Levels nightclub at the Aloft Hotel and then to the club at the Intercontinental (forgot the name). Both were pretty good. And then came back to the hotel. What happened next was 4 hours of the best sex I have ever had. This quiet girl turns into a total animal as soon as you are naked. Nothing is taboo. I'm not a 14 inch bull but I'm above average and most girls have a tough time taking me in the ass. Not Bell. Straight in and you couldn't go deep or hard enough. She just left and I'm already thinking about the next time! 12k baht for 8 hours. When Bangkok Gold says they are "not the cheapest, but the finest" they are not lying. After my time with Bell, I am a client for life.

Heading out later today for KL and Hong Kong. Not sure if I'll have much time or options for fun there, but if I do, I doubt it will come close to matching my time in Bangkok. This city is awesome!

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1448426]Are you dare saying that it is possible to date a Thai woman who you did not meet in a bar and who does not want your money? (Don't give away the secret dude.)[/QUOTE]The pond in Bankapi / Hua Mak is full of MiSo mid 30ish well educated women with a decent job, own 4 to 5 K monthly rent condo and a car. And with less effort go to Thong Lor on a ladies night. Do not have the impression that you will sr*w them on the 1st few dates, but it is definitely worth the investment, if you live in BKK and not in a Sukhumvit condo. They have a certain impression about falangs living in Sukhumvit area.

thanks skogis for your reply. i hope finding a lb in my bed won't happen. interesting as it seems though, but i don't think i can work with that kind. i'm still making other mistakes, though. this time it's a bit more complex.

last night i decided i wouldn't go out mongering but just have a quick look at soi cowboy, since it kinda fits my touristy profile to go to places like that. i was just curious what it is all about and to better understand the comments on this website.

started at baccara. very strange atmosphere with all those japs there. not my cup of tea. quickly finished my beer and left. on the way to deja vu which i wanted to visit thanks to remarks on this site that the girls there are actually kind of intelligent, i found myself tempted to enter cowboy2. some very pretty girls there, and mamasan was quick to talk me through the price list. 700 barfine and 5000 for lt. i made it very clear this was way beyond my budget. i quickly began having second thoughts of the kind 'hey, i'm in bangkok all alone, who cares let's have fun for once and stop thinking about money'. also, i wanted to make up for my earlier mistake of looking for bargains.

i then went to deja vu and was warmly greeted by a teaser girl who, like promised on this site, felt honest, kinda intelligent and friendly. even better, once we sat down inside i immediately saw a very young thing, a gorgeous beauty. we had eye contact and since i'm still relatively young she was happy to see a good looking man (or so i was told by what turned out to be her sister who brought me in). i bought drinks for the sister and mamasan, and after about ten minutes muk joined me. even though her teeth were double-rowed in the corners she is still a serious hottie. turned out she was 19 years old. man, i got horny. i always wanted to fuck a 20- girl. never done that before in my life.

after the usual compliments and price arrangements (700 barfine and 3000 lt, not bad for a bg of this kind, i thought) mamasan agreed i could pay the girl 3000 after going to the hotel to get my debit card and going to the atm because i didn't have it on me. all parties agreed, to my amazement. in the mean time i discovered muk was shy and didn't know how to handle the situation. i also felt mamasan en her sister were doing a lot of talking to her, maybe to ease her mind. even though she later denied it, i felt like it was her first time going out with a customer.

back in the hotel i asked muk if i could pay her the 3000 in the morning and she agreed. i got her started with some music and soon we were kissing. it felt like the real thing for a while. i was being sweet to her and she replied with very sensual fk. it was wonderful. slowly i started to undress her and found out she has the most amazing body. my eyes had not let me down in the club. after 15 minutes or so she was naked in the bed and i was looking into her beautiful 19-yo pussy and i just had to eat it. it seemed like she enjoyed it but didn't want to show it to me.

recapping now, i think this is where i missed out on important signals. i was so horny i lost her here and went in for the pounding. i fucked her from many different positions but found myself unable to come. meanwhile she got totally stiff once i got inside her. i found out i couldn't finish the job like this and gave up after 20 minutes or so when she said she was tired. that was my wake up call and terrible to hear. i really didn't get her started properly, despite my efforts! i am still wondering if i would ever have been able to get her started, because she seemed so helpless and insensitive (probably from the nerves).

she then asked if she could leave but i couldn't allow that. after an hour or so of sleeping my willy woke up again and i decided to go in despite her pushing me back. she was wet enough down there so i didn't understand. was she playing she didn't want? and what was she thinking going home after one pop when we agreed on lt? maybe i'm still too much of a technocrat when it comes to the deal. i expect to get my money's worth, even if i don't feel like working for it. maybe i'm an insensitive bastard then? what do you guys think?

anyhow, after another hour or so i wanted to go in for the third pop but she strongly refused and when i backed off the put on her clothes and left without saying a word, without her pay. i didn't know what to think and i am still confused. it started off so nicely but somewhere along the way she turned graveyard on me. will she come back for her money or send in some goons from the club? i started packing my bags getting ready to run off from the hotel but then decided it wasn't worth it. if anyone came back for the cash i would give it to them. no good taking serious risks with the gogo-mafia for a mere 3000.

i'm still very happy about doing this young one and also still very confused. this is the second time my deal went sour during the night. i guess i have to start taking the girls' exitement more seriously instead of just relying on 'the deal'. what's supposed to be easy mongering has just turned into a psychotherapeutic session. very confused.

[QUOTE=Duniawala;1448419]What you describe are the working girls. Aere you saying that having lived in LOS for many years that you have not been able to move up the ladder? I have friends who are married to Thai girls but not supporting the families. And they have been married for many years.[/QUOTE]It doesn't really matter where they are on the economic ladder, from hi-so to low-so. If you are retired here, then you are probably in your late fifties and upwards and the only reason a Thai lady many years younger is with you is for economic security, whether for herself, her children or her family. If you think it is due to love that she is with a much older Farang then you are kidding yourself. I have had friends here who have been deeply involved with hi-so's and mid-so's and their experience has been pretty much the same as most guys with bar girls except it cost them even more (and was a lot less fun). That doesn't mean you can't have a relationship or even be married for many years and be very happy. All I am saying is that it is rarely based on mutual love. There are no doubt exceptions. This sort of arrangement is basically the way much of the world has run for thousands of years so I am not knocking it. It's just not the way relationships are based on in the West any more for the most part and not one that appeals to me. Money doesn't buy you love. Not even in Thailand. But it can buy you a relationship or a whole lot of girls for sex. Take your pick.

A bar girl doesn't necessarily have to be found in a bar and can be part of any socioeconomic level. There is nobody to blame but the guy. Taking a wild ass guess these guys started out wining and dining the girls AND giving them money for no reason at all (or maybe because they expect every Thai woman to be a prostitute). They made their own bed.

I continue to meet tons of women in school or with their own jobs and own money. I don't treat them like bar girls by passing money out to them. I treat them exactly how you're supposed to treat a normal woman you want to get to know. I can't understand why some guys try to cross wires and make a normal woman into a p4p woman and then there are others who try to make the p4p ones into normal ones.

I'm not a religious guy but I do know that the bible says not to be unequally yoked. And a 60 year old guy trying to yoke with a 20 year old is definitely unequal. You can't expect nothing fruitful to come out of a relationship as such. The two couldn't possibly have anything in common. That type of thing should not even be expected to go outside of p4p. At that age it is too late to live out high school or college fantasies of being the cool guy with the hot chick. The bottom line is that you are going to be stuck with the type of relationship that you start out with. There is no switching in mid stream.

[quote=wildwestw; 1448563]thanks skogis for your reply. i hope finding a lb in my bed won't happen. interesting as it seems though, but i don't think i can work with that kind. i'm still making other mistakes, though. this time it's a bit more complex.

i'm still very happy about doing this young one and also still very confused. this is the second time my deal went sour during the night. i guess i have to start taking the girls' exitement more seriously instead of just relying on 'the deal'. what's supposed to be easy mongering has just turned into a psychotherapeutic session. very confused.[/quote]don't even start thinking like that you did nothing wrong. what you have seen happens a lot. refusing to perform multiple pop or bj or whatever, claiming pain, turning lt into st with any kind of excuse. generally in these cases the girl would initially ask for the full amount, then when opposed with a firm denial, settle for less. in your case it just happened differently and even if it is very strange, there is no point in ponderating on why. for sure she did not wanted to anything of what she did, but that is really her problem only. most girls simply do not understand and do not care that a man's true and complete pleasure is to be had over multiple hours and multiple orgasms, with possible some tenderness in between. for them it is really you come - you done, no matter if they are experienced or not. they get aggravated if you want differently, be that because they are accustomed to asians, or are just careless about their customer sexuality. and around that, some girls are also unstable and the outcome of situations like that can be bad. do not worry about bar mafia or anything. if you want to return to the same place you will have to give her like 1500 or whatever you think is fair, but if you do that do not expect it will change anything or even to be greeted with simpathy. otherwise just move on, focus on getting to know what you want first and how to get it, that is hard enough already.

[QUOTE=Archetype; 1448437]I was very surprised that a few of the women I liked at these bars only wanted to do ST even at a late hour. I spoke to an absolute stunner at Baccara (at 2. 30am) and she would only do ST for 3k+barfine and ST for her was 1 hour. I couldn't figure out whether she just found me ugly or that is the norm there. The only experience where I ran into a girl who ran off within 2 mins of a LD was a hot one from Spanky's.

Nataree and Eden: I had my better experiences with Nataree girls. These girls look like they have been around for not very long (long enough to know their way around in bed) and they reciprocate if you are nice to them. These girls will easily LT for 3k or even lesser if you play it right with them.

A postscript: Just as an aside to all the experienced forum members. It would be nice if members do not jump to conclusions on whether a 'SoS' report is genuine or not based on prejudices. If a fellow member is down, it is not really nice to kick him. Disclaimers like 'no offense intended' don't really mean much. Members like like Rjss have come up with intelligent / helpful responses like a Fedex which I found would have been a simple solution.[/QUOTE]No offense but agogo hot girls or absolute stunners aren't into long time. It's been that way for quite a while. Just do the math.

Long time is for those who can't pull short time action.

My intelligence told me Rainbow will be closed Mon and Tues. I guess a deal could not be had. Losers all around. I think the tea money being asked is way too high, so much so we all lose.

She knowing this 2 days before indicates its a done deal. Ususally she doesn't know till the evening before the holiday.

I remember on these holidays alcohol were served in paper cups and the agogos remained open.

Rainbow 4 is very well attended even though faces are very bad at the moment. R2 last night also well attended but guys just not buying girls. They just go to ogle- kind of like me. LOL.

[QUOTE=WildWestW; 1448563]Thanks Skogis for your reply. I hope finding a LB in my bed won't happen. Interesting as it seems though, but I don't think I can work with that kind. I'm still making other mistakes, though. This time it's a bit more complex.

I then went to Deja Vu and was warmly greeted by a teaser girl who, like promised on this site, felt honest, kinda intelligent and friendly. Even better, once we sat down inside I immediately saw a very young thing, a gorgeous beauty. We had eye contact and since I'm still relatively young she was happy to see a good looking man (or so I was told by what turned out to be her sister who brought me in). I bought drinks for the sister and mamasan, and after about ten minutes Muk joined me. Even though her teeth were double-rowed in the corners she is still a serious hottie. Turned out she was 19 years old. Man, I got horny. I always wanted to fuck a 20- girl. Never done that before in my life.

After the usual compliments and price arrangements (700 barfine and 3000 LT, not bad for a BG of this kind, I thought) mamasan agreed I could pay the girl 3000 after going to the hotel to get my debit card AND going to the ATM because I didn't have it on me. All parties agreed, to my amazement. In the mean time I discovered Muk was shy and didn't know how to handle the situation. I also felt mamasan en her sister were doing a lot of talking to her, maybe to ease her mind. Even though she later denied it, I felt like it was her first time going out with a customer...[/QUOTE]Very disturbing report!

Kidnapping a girl from the Iranians bar can't be a good thing.

If the girl wants to leave just let her go.

Again price comment. 3000 lt is very good price for pretty agogo girl. LOL. What am I missing. I have to pay 2500 short time. LOL.

Purchasing girls and actually having a good time with them is not that ez.

1st timing a girl long time just doesn't make any sense at all. Why not go short time and then turn it into long time at no extra charge, LOL, if you get along.

[quote=Archetype; 1448437]I guess it is time for a roundup of my experience of Bangkok. Since I have stuck entirely to the tried and tested trails partly because of the fact that it was my first trip and partly because I managed to loose all my cards on the second day itself, I will stick to a few topics rather than a day by day account. Also, a big thank you to the forum members who helped me plan the trip.

Soapy vs Nuru: Tried both and in my opinion Nuru is the clear winner. The slippery slide at all possible angles with a girl was fun. First up I took the 2 hour one for at Dr. BJ Nuru at the end of Soi7/1 because they mentioned that the 2 hour rooms have standard beds along with the sliding mattress. But I realized that one hardly uses it and the 2000bht rooms more than suffice. The selection is much wider there after 5pm and first up I landed there at 11 am and there were only 3/4 girls to choose from. Soapies have lesser opportunities for 'touchpoints' with your girl.[/quote]What a great TR!

Many thanks!

Busting a nut is like my body clock. I must empty my balls 2 to 3 times a day. And I'm pushing 40 years old. Most of the time, I'm just too lazy for a 3 to 4 hour adventure.

Having anyone wake me up is something I hate. I no longer like sleeping with a stranger. I would never LT. I do not like my girlfriend sleeping here.

It is better to get free pussy once or twice a week than everyday. Unless you are James Bond, chances are you will be living in standard condo. I have a nice place. My folks would last a few hours in here, before they would tear each others heads off. If you get greedy, and try to have alot of "giks", you will end up with no one. And be forced into the constant hit and miss adventure.

Getting to know your *hores is just mean. If you think buying meals, dating, etc is a sneaky way to get excellent service from a girl. You are evil. Just give them more cash. Don't act like you want to be thier friend, if you just want hot service. Give them more money! Don't get me wrong. I used to do that shit, all the time. But in the end, I would end up throwing away another sim card.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1448409]Depends on the age difference. I find that the larger the number (of years difference) the less likely your TG will really love you more than your wallet.

They like older guys for the "Security" aspect but that's about it.[/QUOTE]Its a bitter pill to swallow, for guys that missed out having a great girl when we were young.

Yes I agree. Although many Thai girls do not like men of their own age, wanting a guy less "up himself" (self-centred) , the age gap needs to be reasonably limited. The larger the age gap, the less workable it really is. Unfortunately guys like me having done too much P4P with younger girls are really struggling to be interested in girls older than 10-15 years less than our ages. It is very tough for me to find Thai girls much over 45 that I really would want. Many have allowed themselves to get plumb by this age. I think a 20 years younger girl is really too much of a gap and hard to make workable, unless all parties are agreeing its just a temporary thing.

At one time (actually twice) I was very keen on a working girl, but did not try to proceed, mostly from being very cautious and because the age gap was far too large, like 30 years. Ridiculous! In one case I was happy to be the girl's 2nd secret boyfriend and did not seek promotion to be the one and only. In the end she ran off to another country with man No. 3.

Being realistic, my GF accepts me because I bring stability to her and daughter and she cannot expect to find a well off Thai man or any other Farang. She does not want a Thai man due to past bad experiences leaving her psychologically scarred. She doesn't really speak significant English. She is somewhat of a solitary type and doesn't mind me being away a lot. She seems happy enough just to have someone that cares, rather than having no-one. I think I am more like a replacement "daddy" at times.

One buddy is aged 60 and he has selected a 25 year old girl after a very short time who is / was hooked on Ice. This seems a laughable decision, based on being taken to the cleaners by his previous Thai GF, but he argues that he has limited years left. Why take a GF at all? That is what puzzles me. Should my GF leave me, I certainly don't want a new one!

I think guys like Daddy07 who don't even think of taking a GF have the right idea. Many of us sort of acquired GFs by accident without really intending to, by being a bit too keen on a girl, and liking to spend a lot of time with them.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1448707]Its a bitter pill to swallow, for guys that missed out having a great girl when we were young.

Yes I agree. Although many Thai girls do not like men of their own age, wanting a guy less "up himself" (self-centred) , the age gap needs to be reasonably limited. The larger the age gap, the less workable it really is. Unfortunately guys like me having done too much P4P with younger girls are really struggling to be interested in girls older than 10-15 years less than our ages. It is very tough for me to find Thai girls much over 45 that I really would want. Many have allowed themselves to get plumb by this age. I think a 20 years younger girl is really too much of a gap and hard to make workable, unless all parties are agreeing its just a temporary thing...[/QUOTE]Are middle class Thai men that bad?

I have a feeling all these prostitutes who say they are are only dealing with the lowest of the low Thai men. LOL. They should try middle class guys. LOL.

What kind of stability does a sex addict provide to a kid? I'm so freaking confused at what goes on here.

You guys make so many darn excuses as to this and that, it mind boggling.

It pains me to say but mrE seems to have the right frame of mind. If only he could pay a bit more. LOL.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1448707]Its a bitter pill to swallow, for guys that missed out having a great girl when we were young.

Yes I agree. Although many Thai girls do not like men of their own age, wanting a guy less "up himself" (self-centred) , the age gap needs to be reasonably limited. The larger the age gap, the less workable it really is. Unfortunately guys like me having done too much P4P with younger girls are really struggling to be interested in girls older than 10-15 years less than our ages. It is very tough for me to find Thai girls much over 45 that I really would want. Many have allowed themselves to get plumb by this age. I think a 20 years younger girl is really too much of a gap and hard to make workable, unless all parties are agreeing its just a temporary thing.[/QUOTE]Let me say something that may seem out of context, but I think it is not. When I was a kid my dad, then in his early 40s, left my mom for a very pretty girl 20 years younger than him. She is from a very rich family, never had no interest in money whatsoever, of which my dad did not had much anyway. 35 yrs later they are still together, have been married for a long time and from their union my lovely half-sister was born. And that happened in a 1st world western country without any bar involved.

There are no set rules, we can debate until blue in the face, but for any story that goes with common sense there is another that proves the contrary. Like the go-go girl taking the door without any money, of few postings below.

[QUOTE=Marcos; 1448739]Let me say something that may seem out of context, but I think it is not. When I was a kid my dad, then in his early 40s, left my mom for a very pretty girl 20 years younger than him. She is from a very rich family, never had no interest in money whatsoever, of which my dad did not had much anyway. 35 yrs later they are still together, have been married for a long time and from their union my lovely half-sister was born. And that happened in a 1st world western country without any bar involved.

There are no set rules, we can debate until blue in the face, but for any story that goes with common sense there is another that proves the contrary. Like the go-go girl taking the door without any money, of few postings below.[/QUOTE]Out of context.

You use very very bad example of girl not after money. LOL.

I bet girl feared for her life. Guy wouldn't allow her to leave earlier. What do you think was going thru girls mind?

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1448707]Yes I agree. Although many Thai girls do not like men of their own age, wanting a guy less "up himself" (self-centred) , the age gap needs to be reasonably limited. The larger the age gap, the less workable it really is. Unfortunately guys like me having done too much P4P with younger girls are really struggling to be interested in girls older than 10-15 years less than our ages. It is very tough for me to find Thai girls much over 45 that I really would want. Many have allowed themselves to get plumb by this age. I think a 20 years younger girl is really too much of a gap and hard to make workable, unless all parties are agreeing its just a temporary thing.[/QUOTE]The accepted math for the perfect aged woman is: Half the man's age; then add 7 years. Do the calculation it works every time.

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