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[QUOTE=David1266;2855335]In case you don't know, there already exist FKK-like brothel in Nevada near Las Vegas. The famous one is "Chicken Ranch Brothel". 2023 rate is, as far as I heard, $40 to enter and one session starts from $350, and usually $500-1000 for 9's and 10's. Much more expensive than what you suggested. In addition, going there require you rent a car, because 2 hour drive from Las Vegas. It's actually cheaper for American to fly to Europe or Latin America.

I don't know why ISG site doesn't have USA information, but probably because it's illegal in other states.[/QUOTE]There are three separate review / discussion boards for the USA And the legal Nevada brothels are barely mentioned because no one goes to them any longer.

The smart phone and the internet changed things.

People book independent escorts. The only true safe way to do that is to give her some screening information so it is assured that neither party is law enforcement. One of the obvious benefits of review / message boards is that the customer knows that the escort is not law enforcement.

USA Prices for high quality escorts are high. Compensation for all types of work in the USA Is much higher than compensation for the same type of work outside the USA, including sex work. That is why USA Guys, particularly those traveling on the company dime, like this board and the much lower prices for ladies with looks and services that might command $400 to $700 an hour in the USA The USA Guy might get the same for 20 to 50 percent of that amount in a foreign country. Conspicuously absent from the discussion is the fact that the USA Guy earning $100,000 to $200,000 might earn $20,000 to $50,000 in the foreign country for comparable work, if it even exists.

Even those not traveling on the company dime often enjoy foreign travel, so the lower prices are appreciated by them. But pricing is driven by the earnings and wealth level of customers, and the economic opportunities of the providers regarding other types of work. As I have said many times, if the USA Easily allowed Mexican and South American women to freely enter the country and do sex work, commercial sex prices would drop. The practical difficulty with them trying to do so now, even if entry was not so heavily blocked, is that the screening mechanisms are not friendly to non-English speakers, and law enforcement is much more likely to target them in stings, like they do with Asian ladies at massage parlors. So it only works if an infrastructure is built for them, like Germany does for Romanians. That is never going to happen.

So prices in the USA Will always be high, and law enforcement will always target low-priced ladies, which adds to the pricing problem.

[QUOTE=David1266;2855335]In case you don't know, there already exist FKK-like brothel in Nevada near Las Vegas. The famous one is "Chicken Ranch Brothel". 2023 rate is, as far as I heard, $40 to enter and one session starts from $350, and usually $500-1000 for 9's and 10's. Much more expensive than what you suggested. In addition, going there require you rent a car, because 2 hour drive from Las Vegas. It's actually cheaper for American to fly to Europe or Latin America.

I don't know why ISG site doesn't have USA information, but probably because it's illegal in other states.[/QUOTE]I don't know if it is still the same way but if you want to go to a brothel in Nevada you go to Reno not Las Vegas. When I went the price was $150 maybe $200 for something basic. I would read the prices quoted in the news media and laugh because I knew that was not the going rate. Anyway I am sure there has been price increase. I was there 30 years ago. The Mustang Ranch had a cool vibe to it for me being out in the middle of the western dessert and next to Lake Tahoe. I have since found better venues. I am not sure but I think I would still rather go to a brothel than do the stupid escort route. The escort route in the US in it's present form is a no go for me. It was ok when the agencies had websites and pictures. They passed a law that held businesses liable for harm to anyone real or imagined by way of a photo. Trump did that. I don’t mean to get political but it is interesting that it happened under his administration. He crushed human trafficking. He crushed backpage. Whatever is the most recent incarnation of prostitution in the US is crap.

[QUOTE=BobNSuzy;2855569]...... He crushed backpage.....[/QUOTE]And this by the US's numero uno monger.

Hi,

I am visiting Germany in Oct again after several years post Pandemic. I used to go to the following and were happy:

- Golden Time, and The Living Room in theüsseldorf.

- Shark and World in Frankfurt.

Are these still good FKKs with reasonable prices? Or should I try other places? I will have a car so can drive further away if need be.

Thanks for expert inputs.

[QUOTE=MeridienL;2857081]Hi,

I am visiting Germany in Oct again after several years post Pandemic. I used to go to the following and were happy:

- Golden Time, and The Living Room in thesseldorf.

- Shark and World in Frankfurt.

Are these still good FKKs with reasonable prices? Or should I try other places? I will have a car so can drive further away if need be.

Thanks for expert inputs.[/QUOTE]No more Bruggen and new LR.

What's the best FKK Club in the Ruhrgebiet and theüsseldorf area or not too far from Essen?

[QUOTE=Amnesia;2857368]What's the best FKK Club in the Ruhrgebiet and thesseldorf area or not too far from Essen?[/QUOTE]There are Acapulco Gold, Penelope, Salome and RTC.

[QUOTE=MeridienL;2857081]Hi,
Are these still good FKKs with reasonable prices? Or should I try other places? I will have a car so can drive further away if need be.

Thanks for expert inputs.[/QUOTE]I never thought that world was great. I prefer Oase and it is closer and easy to reach by car.

In winters the outdoor area is not important and you could also go for Palace. But check if there is anything going on at the Frankfurt fair at that time. The girls will up their prices and it will be much fuller if there is a fair going on.

[QUOTE=MeridienL;2857081]Hi,

I am visiting Germany in Oct again after several years post Pandemic. I used to go to the following and were happy:

- Golden Time, and The Living Room in thesseldorf.

- Shark and World in Frankfurt.

Are these still good FKKs with reasonable prices? Or should I try other places? I will have a car so can drive further away if need be.

Thanks for expert inputs.[/QUOTE]I saw a recent review on a guy who didn't like Penelope. But I did. Went with a buddy and we each found girls we liked (2 for me). And pricing was more traditional 50/ hf with maybe some minor up charges but not like Sharks. It's a small club and the guy to girl ratio was high but most guys not taking girls. And the atmosphere is very low pressure. We didn't get approached or coerced at all. Just drank till we saw girls we liked and super easy. Good experience.

P.S. Depending on when in October I might run across you. Feel free to PM me with your dates. Penelope is about 30 mins NE of Essen.

On my recent trip to Oase (for a limited time of about an hour in early evening) I was casually observing when some girls were going off to a room with guys and having a rough estimation of their return. I'd say that at least 70% of the girls were returning with the guy to the small lockers in less than 20 minutes and a sizeable amount of those within 15 minutes. If the guys were happy with the service and the time then that's fine, but I couldn't help feeling that a lot of guys get he feeling they have been screwed, if you'll pardon the pun. I don't set myself as being any kind of expert but I do my best to ensure I'm getting at least 20-25 minutes. Your thoughts?

[QUOTE=Abox79;2858679]On my recent trip to Oase (for a limited time of about an hour in early evening) I was casually observing when some girls were going off to a room with guys and having a rough estimation of their return. I'd say that at least 70% of the girls were returning with the guy to the small lockers in less than 20 minutes and a sizeable amount of those within 15 minutes. If the guys were happy with the service and the time then that's fine, but I couldn't help feeling that a lot of guys get he feeling they have been screwed, if you'll pardon the pun. I don't set myself as being any kind of expert but I do my best to ensure I'm getting at least 20-25 minutes. Your thoughts?[/QUOTE]If they came within that short time then its their fault, girls usually want to leave soon after the guy cums, it is what it is now. If the guy did not orgasm then they've been screwed.

[QUOTE=Abox79;2858679]On my recent trip to Oase (for a limited time of about an hour in early evening) I was casually observing when some girls were going off to a room with guys and having a rough estimation of their return. I'd say that at least 70% of the girls were returning with the guy to the small lockers in less than 20 minutes and a sizeable amount of those within 15 minutes. If the guys were happy with the service and the time then that's fine, but I couldn't help feeling that a lot of guys get he feeling they have been screwed, if you'll pardon the pun. I don't set myself as being any kind of expert but I do my best to ensure I'm getting at least 20-25 minutes. Your thoughts?[/QUOTE]To each their own. Many possibilites here:

- Some guys just want a quickie. Nothing wrong with it. In some cultures the quickest you can come, the more "man" you are.

- We do not know what the guys paid: If 50 E, then you are lucky to get more than a very quick CBJ / CFS session in 2023. Sad, but true.

Now, if I paid 100 E /30, then I'd expect a quality session (including kissing, DATY, BJ and CFS) for 20- 30 mnts. It is also my experience that the vast majority of girls will grant you that (going service for going rate). Actually, many girls are not clockwatchers and will allow a little bit of overtime as they regard 100 E /30 as good payment.

If it is my first session with a girl, then she should understand that she is tested. If the service is not up to par or I am shortchanged for time or overcharged, then chances are zero for a repeat. A bad provider gets 100 E and a byebye, while the good providers can look forward to priority and perhaps 1000 E in the next months. IME the vast majority of girls understand this and are eager to please.

Your observations took place on an early evening, but it is unclear which day of week. If a Friday and Saturday evening, then I suppose there would be a good number of guys around, and that certain girls will regard that time of week as "payment time" and do quick turnovers to optimize earnings. It's normal. Perhaps early week has been frustrating for these girls and they feel they need to compensate? We as gents should be aware of this. My own strategy is to only pick reliable providers (usually a regular) when there are crowds, or patiently wait until crowds settle a little and the girls more relaxed. And I avoid girls who are known to be too quick.

A small anecdote:

Shortchange of time is nothing new. 20 years ago there was a tall German blond bombshell and BJ queen who was notoriously known for her quick turnovers in the old kino at Oase. It was reported on ISG that she was observed doing FIVE guys in one hour! That is 50E + CIM extra 50E x 5 = 500E/hour, gentlemen. With the CIM solution she did not even bother with a shower between sessions (just a little bit of listerine). Haha ...!! But the point being: The guys were all left fully satisfied.

Oh, the old kino at Oase ...

[QUOTE=Abox79;2858679]On my recent trip to Oase (for a limited time of about an hour in early evening) I was casually observing when some girls were going off to a room with guys and having a rough estimation of their return. I'd say that at least 70% of the girls were returning with the guy to the small lockers in less than 20 minutes and a sizeable amount of those within 15 minutes. If the guys were happy with the service and the time then that's fine, but I couldn't help feeling that a lot of guys get he feeling they have been screwed, if you'll pardon the pun. I don't set myself as being any kind of expert but I do my best to ensure I'm getting at least 20-25 minutes. Your thoughts?[/QUOTE]Just guys rabitting, not able for more, when 1 hour is usually short for me.

[QUOTE=Abox79;2858679]On my recent trip to Oase (for a limited time of about an hour in early evening) I was casually observing when some girls were going off to a room with guys and having a rough estimation of their return. I'd say that at least 70% of the girls were returning with the guy to the small lockers in less than 20 minutes and a sizeable amount of those within 15 minutes. If the guys were happy with the service and the time then that's fine, but I couldn't help feeling that a lot of guys get he feeling they have been screwed, if you'll pardon the pun. I don't set myself as being any kind of expert but I do my best to ensure I'm getting at least 20-25 minutes. Your thoughts?[/QUOTE]I know a lot of guys who arrive st FKKs and need to let off "steam" so they can then sit, enjoy the view and plan for their full meal later. For many people the point of the clubs is not to spend an evening with a girl but hang out with friends and observe. I once saw a young guy in the space of 60-90 minutes go upstairs with 3 different girls. He was happy. Who am I to judge?

[QUOTE=Tintin1;2858843]I know a lot of guys who arrive st FKKs and need to let off "steam" so they can then sit, enjoy the view and plan for their full meal later. For many people the point of the clubs is not to spend an evening with a girl but hang out with friends and observe. I once saw a young guy in the space of 60-90 minutes go upstairs with 3 different girls. He was happy. Who am I to judge?[/QUOTE]I like to have a quick cum soon after arrival. Then I can relax while I reload. BUT I never say yes to the girls who approach when I first arrive. They are inevitably a bad choice.