Stupid Shit in Kyiv

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2893828]The whole idea of de-Nazifying a country with a Jewish president who won 73% of the vote is about ludicrous. Add the fact that Neo-Nazi soldiers only represent a relatively small number of a single battalion (Azov, 10 to 20%) and it's fully ludicrous.[/QUOTE]Even Azov can't be seen as Neo-Nazis today after the brigade purged the Nazi sympathizers in 2016-2017. What personal views Azov soldiers are harboring nowadays, who knows, but that's true about pretty much anybody.

But Putin claims are awfully rich considering that FSB tried to control Azov back in a day and at one point managed to install an FSB agent as Azov's leader. The Russian influence didn't take, though, and Azov became the most successful military regimen in the Ukrainian army.

[URL]https://news.yahoo.com/azov-regiment-called-neo-nazi-142500366.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2893897]Putin says he wants negotiated peace...[/QUOTE]You keep smoothing over the most important factors:

1) If Putin wants peace, he can withdraw from Ukraine at any time and there will be immediate peace.

2) Putin does not uphold agreements, and has reneged each time.

Can you please reformulate your position and take that into account?

[QUOTE=VinDici;2893974]2) Putin does not uphold agreements, and has reneged each time.

Can you please reformulate your position and take that into account?[/QUOTE]Yeah, the intelligence agencies lied their asses off about Russiagate, and Putin was telling the truth, so your whole narrative of Putin as dishonest and we are honest blows up in your face.

[QUOTE=VinDici;2893974]1) If Putin wants peace, he can withdraw from Ukraine at any time and there will be immediate peace.[/QUOTE]That is not going to happen. What do you propose besides peace with Putin? 400,000 dead Ukrainians is not enough for you? You know the average soldier in Ukraine is pushing 45 years old? That people in Ukraine are opposing and protesting the drafting of men to fight in this war? That the wealthy in Ukraine left town before the war started? That guys on here have seen those in the Ukrainian government living it up at the Globe Club in Switzerland and Zelensky is buying up properties in Europe? That the Ukrainian economy has been going down at a rate of 8% a year?

This war was supposed to hurt Russia. Well, Russia is now the biggest economy in Europe overtaking Germany. Germany has gotten killed economically because they are paying through the nose for expensive nonRussian natural gas, and other nations have had to bear the burden of Ukrainian refugees.

In the mean time, Tucker Carlson shot this video of the Russian subway system and compared it to those in the West. [URL]https://twitter.com/i/status/1757901280830505037[/URL].

You Democrats wanted to inflict on Russia and Putin. Any evidence that what you are doing worked? Because it sure as hell does not look like it to me.

[QUOTE]In a media briefing ahead of the meeting, French diplomatic sources said VIGINUM, the French watchdog that monitors foreign digital interference, had identified some 193 websites that aimed to broadly spread information from pro-Russian sources as well as Russian news outlets and institutions.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/european-powers-warn-spike-russian-propaganda-before-eu-elections-2024-02-12/[/URL]

But at least people who disseminate Russian fake news are paid pretty well. Yet, they rely on an army of useful idiots who're more than willing to spread and amplify all kinds of Kremlin-produced lies gratis. Tucker Carlson will have probably monetized his Putin's "interview" to the tune of tens of millions of dollars, but who if not his followers are helping him to do all the heavy lifting. Just look at these 'postulates' from one of his disciples, LOL.

[QUOTE]- The intelligence agencies lied their asses off about Russiagate, and Putin was telling the truth.

- 400,000 dead Ukrainians.

- Zelensky is buying up properties in Europe.

- Those in the Ukrainian government living it up at the Globe Club in Switzerland.

- The Ukrainian economy has been going down at a rate of 8% a year.

- Russia is now the biggest economy in Europe overtaking Germany.

- Germany has gotten killed economically.

- Moscow metro system is nice.[/QUOTE]If you wonder whether ANY of Elvis' musings here are truthful, the answer is yes. Yes, I admit it!

Moscow metro is pretty nice and efficient.

Probably not much nicer or more efficient than Montreal, Berlin, London, Paris, Tokyo, Washington, DC, and -- deep breath -- even Rio or SP, but it's really pretty good. Especially that no one today remembers that it was built on the bones of thousands of workers including GULAG prisoners sacrificed by Stalin so he could faster demonstrate his masterpiece to the world.

Everything else is a lie.

And I mean everything.

Of course, Elvis could prove me wrong by providing [B]legitimate[/B] sources to back up his j'accuse's. But he won't 'cause he has none.

The end.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2894195]In the mean time, Tucker Carlson shot this video of the Russian subway system and compared it to those in the West. [URL]https://twitter.com/i/status/1757901280830505037[/URL].
[/QUOTE]Kind of hard to listen to TC. Moscow is not Russia.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2894195]Yeah, the intelligence agencies lied their asses off about Russiagate, and Putin was telling the truth, so your whole narrative of Putin as dishonest and we are honest blows up in your face.

That is not going to happen. What do you propose besides peace with Putin? 400,000 dead Ukrainians is not enough for you? You know the average soldier in Ukraine is pushing 45 years old? That people in Ukraine are opposing and protesting the drafting of men to fight in this war? That the wealthy in Ukraine left town before the war started? That guys on here have seen those in the Ukrainian government living it up at the Globe Club in Switzerland and Zelensky is buying up properties in Europe? That the Ukrainian economy has been going down at a rate of 8% a year?

This war was supposed to hurt Russia. Well, Russia is now the biggest economy in Europe overtaking Germany. Germany has gotten killed economically because they are paying through the nose for expensive nonRussian natural gas, and other nations have had to bear the burden of Ukrainian refugees..[/QUOTE]Great post, but I am afraid the number of dead Ukraine soldiers is pushing 500,000 or more, add in the the critically wounded you are looking at 1.2-1.5 million. Just horrible.

Russia is way stronger than before the war, including there economy. The Euro's and West economies are in shambles. Great job, Democrats.

LOL I come back 2 years later to this forum and the drama continues.

I said Russia will prevail and Ukraine will lose.

If you have any brains and common sense, you would know this to be true.

The usual suspects (the pro Ukraine nerds haha) claimed Ukraine would push Russia out by end of 2022 lmao.

And that the Russian economy would collapse.

Well well, none of that happened, did it nerds, you nerds know who you are.

The same dummies that kept saying Ukraine will win.

The reality is Russia will never lose any of the land it has taken control of.

For following reasons.

1. Russia is far more powerful.

2, the areas were formerly in history, Russian lands, so Russia would probably fight to nuclear war for its historic lands.

3, and DUH its full of majority of Russians, so DUH nerds, you have a populace friendly to the Russian army and government.

Its very difficult controlling lands when the populace hates you.

That's why Russia has no interest in the Baltics and Poland for example.

It doesn't strengthen them at all.

The reality is.

The Russian economy is stronger now, sorry nerds its true.

The Ukraine economy is destroyed, the world now pays its bills, total welfare state now.

All the young men have been slaughtered because of some fat heads that didn't want to negotiate (the nerds will have a heart attack on this one).

The world will quit funding this war probably as soon as 2025.

Ukraine will be a ghost town until a real peace deal is done, sorry no capital will come to Ukraine until a real solid peace deal is signed by all sides.

If the west persists in this slaughter, there will be no men left under age of 40 left in Ukraine in next 2 years, ruined for a generation.

Who you going to rebuild the country with? 60 yr old fogeys?

Every pretty girl over 18 will leave Ukraine as no young men to marry.

The end of mongering forever, they will flood the country with immigrants on the west side of Ukraine for cheap labour and young men.

This country will never be the same as the Ukraine I enjoyed from 2010 to 2017.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2894411]Russia is way stronger than before the war, including there economy.[/QUOTE]Have you tried buying eggs there?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2894195]Yeah, the intelligence agencies lied their asses off about Russiagate, and Putin was telling the truth, so your whole narrative of Putin as dishonest and we are honest blows up in your face.[/QUOTE]Putin and his cronies explicitly said they would not invade Ukraine only days before they did. Are you aware that Russian propaganda does not work outside of Russia?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2894195]That is not going to happen.[/QUOTE]Why not. Putin is commander in chief, he can withdraw any time he chooses.

[QUOTE=VinDici;2894511]Have you tried buying eggs there?[/QUOTE]Yes tucker Carlson did and it was good he says.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2894380][URL]https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/european-powers-warn-spike-russian-propaganda-before-eu-elections-2024-02-12/[/URL]


If you wonder whether ANY of Elvis' musings here are truthful, the answer is yes. Yes, I admit it!

Everything else is a lie.

And I mean everything.

Of course, Elvis could prove me wrong by providing [B]legitimate[/B] sources to back up his j'accuse's. But he won't 'cause he has none.

The end.[/QUOTE]The end? What the fuck is your plan? Keep sending billions to Ukraine so millions can somehow be funneled back to Democrats and just ignore all the bodies piling up? Oh, yeah, you all care so much about Ukraine.

Guess the source on this, dummy:

After Russia invaded Ukraine in 2022, Western nations imposed the most extensive sanctions and trade restrictions in history on Moscow. Today, Russia appears to be doing OK.

Its economy is growing steadily. Russia can't buy much from the West but has found new providers for drones, surveillance gear, computer chips and other gear. Its oil and gas sales are still strong, despite attempts to stop them. Russian officials say they have plenty of money to pay for their war.

Moscow's continued strength is a humbling result for the USA And its allies. These nations make up more than half of the global economy, and they tried to weaponize their influence over trade and finance to weaken Russia. They hoped to make President Vladimir Putin a pariah and maybe even stop the war. Today, I'll explain why those efforts have fallen short and whether they can be made to work again.

The measures against Russia go far beyond traditional sanctions, which historically have targeted banks and elites. Those rules limit how much tech Russia can import, and they direct shipping companies and insurers to cap the price of Russia's oil at $60 per barrel well below market rate.

He sanctions took a toll. They raised the cost of many items for Russian civilians and forced the military to buy shoddier missiles and semiconductors. For Russian energy companies like Gazprom and Rosneft, exports to the West have plunged. But the Russian economy has proved surprisingly adaptable, thanks partly to its relationship with China.

It may seem surprising that Russia could so quickly replace so much of its trade with the USA, Japan and the E. You. But the rest of the global economy especially China's is large enough that the shift didn't take long. China already makes much of what Russia needs and can buy much of what it sells. Trade between China and Russia hit a record high last year as Russians turned to Chinese cars, electronics and weapons components. "China has to a large extent blunted the pain," said Eswar Prasad, a trade economist at Cornell University.

Another change has been the rise of a network of shipping companies, insurers and oil traders that does not answer to Western rules. This network, based in countries like China, India and the United Arab Emirates, has expanded since the war began to provide new channels for Russian oil. Thanks to this shadow fleet, Russia can get around the Western price cap on its oil by using shipping companies that don't comply with it. And Russians are still getting TVs, chips and cellphones through traders in Central Asia and the Middle East who buy them from the West and sell them at a markup.

The West chose not to put in place some tough measures, such as a full oil embargo, for fear they could disrupt the global economy. Unlike some nations the USA Has penalized before think of Cuba, Iran and Venezuela Russia is better integrated into world trade. It exports commodities other countries need, such as steel and fertilizer. And it still provides much of Europe's energy. Pain aimed at Russia would be felt well beyond its borders.

Finally, the newest sanctions the ones that try to constrain Russia's access to technology and its oil sales have not been as effective. The USA Wields much less influence over these sectors than it does over the banking sector, which is tethered to the dollar. The new measures, imposed in 2022, made it harder and more expensive for Russia to do business abroad. But they haven't wounded its economy enough to make most Russians question the war. "The mood in Russia is, the whole world is against us, but we are managing quite well," said Maria Snegovaya, a senior fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

USA Officials acknowledge all this. Still, they say they imposed costs that other nations will have to weigh before violating international law. Officials call that a win, even if the measures didn't send Russia into a recession or end the war.

Putin sees it differently. "The instruments and the policies of the United States are ineffective," Putin bragged during his interview last week with Tucker Carlson, according to a Russian government translator.

He is surely not the only leader to notice the USA Failure to cripple Russia. When China wants to menace Taiwan or India wants to assassinate perceived enemies on foreign soil, they will know that Washington couldn't turn Russia into a pariah when it broke the rules. In that way, sanctions in Russia have exposed the limits of USA Power.

QAnon? Epoch Times? Zero Hedge? He he.

[QUOTE=VinDici;2894514]Why not. Putin is commander in chief, he can withdraw any time he chooses.[/QUOTE]Sure, why not? And for fairness sake, Biden can give California back to Mexico and the Midwest back to native Americans.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2894411]Great post, but I am afraid the number of dead Ukraine soldiers is pushing 500,000 or more, add in the the critically wounded you are looking at 1.2-1.5 million. Just horrible.

Russia is way stronger than before the war, including there economy. The Euro's and West economies are in shambles. Great job, Democrats.[/QUOTE]And like six million people have left the country. You do not return from this. The real reason is why. With Ukrainegate, we were able to look into who was actually really running Ukraine, and it turns out it really was a bunch of Soros backed NGOs. Yeah, nongovernment organizations is practically code for saying they are government backed. What we are seeing is a lot of government capture. The "charitable" Gates foundation runs the World Health Organization or WHO. The CDC and FDA are being run by drug companies.

I went back and looked at the whole biolabs in Ukraine thing here: [URL]https://greenwald.substack.com/p/victoria-nuland-ukraine-has-biological[/URL].

The Russian Foreign Ministry asserted that "Russia obtained documents proving that Ukrainian biological laboratories located near Russian borders worked on development of components of biological weapons. ".

Basically, Mario Rubio, a Republican, asked about bioweapons in Ukraine, and he expected "fuck the EU" Victoria Nuland to say there were not any. Instead she said that the USA was funding biolabs in Ukraine but they were research facilities.

You know one of the funny things about bureaucrats in our government is how little respect they have for foreign lives. It took the Australian press to uncover a video clip where Fauci said you do not put biological research facilities in Hoboken, NJ. You put them in China. That whole gain of function denial is semantics. That is exactly what he was talking about.

I guess I wonder why the Democrats and intelligence agencies who control them care so much about Ukraine. They do not give a fuck about the Ukrainians at all. That was a joke. And Zelensky got rid of Democracy there so the "fight for Democracy line" is done. The Russians taking over Europe and Putin as Hitler is as off now as it ever has was. Every time the military industrial conflict wants war they go back to the domino theory.

Obama said if Russia invaded Ukraine we would not help Ukraine as we had no vital interests there. Well, what changed? It makes you wonder right. Tucker Carlson wondered too. Well, I think this may be the one country on earth that is so corrupt that USA intelligence agencies and bureaucrats can do whatever they want.

When Biden got that AG fired, I think his name was Shokin who was looking into Burisma, he showed all of Ukraine who was running things and it was not Ukrainian politicians. That country has been run by Democrats and American bureaucrats and NGOs, and that probably is why Putin had to invade. I do not buy at all the blanket denials on biological, chemical, and nuclear weapons. Not at all.

[QUOTE=VinDici;2894514]Are you aware that Russian propaganda does not work outside of Russia?[/QUOTE]Oh man, I wish it were true. Unfortunately, there are thousands if not millions of deranged trumpists, who are incredibly susceptible to Russian propaganda. Just look at our pal Elvis here. The term 'useful idiots' was coined by then Soviet KGB especially for ideological junkies like him.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2894577]Sure, why not? And for fairness sake, Biden can give California back to Mexico and the Midwest back to native Americans.[/QUOTE]Can you explain what you mean by fairness?

The point you have repeatedly chosen to ignore, is that Putin can leave Ukraine at any time he wishes, but does not. If he did that, the war would immediately end and talks could take place for some kind of settlement.