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Let's not all get paranoid people.
First of all, all this talk about a foreigner invasion setting up monger-friendly shops is not really the case. There's LDV in Cartagena which is owned by an Italian (not the stereotypical U.S. monger!); and the Mansion is co-owned by an Aussie and I can't remember who else but I believe they're of mixed Colombian and U.S. heritage, so again it's not just a "gringo thing." And those two venues have been around awhile already.
There's a few other spots in Medellin but either they are not monger-oriented (Executivo Hotel, & Colombian Sweathearts which may have some prepagas snuck in the roster but is basically just a dating service) or they seem to have stayed low profile and don't attract that much business/attention anymore (Club VIP sold one of their locations).
Even the Mansion is supposedly more low-profile now.
And all the expat-owned hostels out there are for backpackers, not at all your monger type clientele. Many of the backpackers pursue and date the locals, and might even hit the monger venues but there's little overlap between the monger and backpacker world; anyway, the local media has shown little interest or sense of threat from the hostel scene which is STILL BIGGER than the monger scene.
As for Cali, the expat scene remains small. A couple of hostels. The owner of the monger-friendly Cali Plaza is a gringo, but it's not just a monger hotel, I've even seen entire families stay over. The new Cali Castle is to the best of my knowledge owned by a Colombian-American; again, not a 100% stereotypical blond-hair blue-eyed gringo.
Also, if I remember correctly, W. Mora wasn't just a gringo or a "pimp." He was actually I believe Colombian-American as well, and had been living for many many years already in Cali. Enough time to have gotten involved with some shady or flaky local "businessmen" which is usually where expats eventually get into trouble.
Sooner or later, and especially sooner what with the economic/financial crises, someone screws up or flakes out and loses/owes a large sum of money, pissing off the wrong people.
The expat business-owner invariably gets most of the blame and ends up skipping town or with a bullet in his head if he delays. That's true in Colombia but also in many other parts of the developing (and developed!) world where expats and foreigners try to do business.
That's NOT to say that Mora deserved his fate, but the dangers that the average gringo monger faces is probably just robbery from his chica or a street punk, he's not there long enough to get blackmailed or extorted or scammed out of his business/money.
I think most people are not too concerned about the gringo corrupting the "sanctity" of the colombiana, lol! :) But I do agree about keeping a low-profile although in Cartagena, it doesn't matter because it's a tourist trap even for the Colombians.
Even in today's economy, you can still have fun. Just keep a low profile and don't stay anywhere too fancy in Cali or bring a lot of valuables, just some daily cash and an old or second-hand laptop will do you just fine.
In fact, I would say today's world economic situation is bringing a fresh new supply of women into the P4P arena, so there's opportunity for mongers who are still employed and have some cash. ;)
By the way, the owner of Fase II in Medellin was also recently killed and that guy was 100% colombiano, lived and worked in Colombia all his life. This kind of stuff is still more likely to happen to a local than to an expat.
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Casas/Brothels
In all of South America, these places were set up by the locals for the locals.
Foreigners maybe go there 1% of the time.
[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]I guess once people noticed that a lot of money could be made from pimping hoes and giving mongers a place to stay more and more foreigners got into the business. This is not just Colombia. You can see the same thing in any country frequented by mongers. It is not a new idea. The mob did the same in Cuba before the communists seized power. You're seeing more of it in the media and getting more hostility from locals because mongering has become more high profile. When you add this to the fact that every news story seems to take the "old gringo sexually exploits impoverished young brown women" angle it opens up old hatreds that come from economic differences between countries. Telling someone that you're in their country as a sex tourist to fuck their young women for cheap isn't going to get you any welcomes. Many of them already see North America and the former colonial powers of Europe as having economically exploited them for a long time. Making money from helping fellow foreigners root the local women should be expected to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] them off even more than the obvious sex tourist. Anyway, all it takes for violence is for one crazy local boyfriend to find out that his girl used one of these services to meet and screw someone. The same would apply if you were in the US pimping local girls.[/QUOTE]
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High end escorts....
I will be going to Cali in sept.
Me and my friend have discriminating taste and we tend to go for the high end type of girls.
There are 2 escort websites call las professioanals and amantes deseo.
[url]http://www.lasprofesionales.com/chicas.php[/url]
[url]http://www.amantesdeldeseo.com/chicas.php[/url]
I heard for 80k pesos the madam comes and meet you in person and show you a catalog of her models? Sounds pretty darn cool! Did anyone try this?
Have anyone on this board had any experence with these 2 agencies? Which one is better? Good expereinces? Bad experiences? Please tell.
Thanks
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ref agencies
[QUOTE=Jergens007]I will be going to Cali in sept.
Me and my friend have discriminating taste and we tend to go for the high end type of girls.
There are 2 escort websites call las professioanals and amantes deseo.
[url]http://www.lasprofesionales.com/chicas.php[/url]
[url]http://www.amantesdeldeseo.com/chicas.php[/url]
I heard for 80k pesos the madam comes and meet you in person and show you a catalog of her models? Sounds pretty darn cool! Did anyone try this?
Have anyone on this board had any experence with these 2 agencies? Which one is better? Good expereinces? Bad experiences? Please tell.
Thanks[/QUOTE]This topic comes up many times. From my experience I have gotten top notch girls to stay with me without going to these websites. The most I have paid for an all nighter is 200, 000 pesos. Looking at the websites you provided you will be grossley overpaying. I can not post pics of some of the girls because they would not want me to but I can tell you they are gorgeous women (20. 25 yrs). If you can speak the language and have a good sense of humor/personality you should do fine without an agency.
Best places to go are some of the casas like Dr. Amor if you see something you like, talk to her and tell her your intentions. Tell her what you are willling to pay or better yet, ask her what she would want for all night? Again, Once you build a quick rapport and offer her propina she will want you to stay with her. Some of these girls (and I mean the good looking ones) may make only 80, 000 for a day. Sometimes less when it is early in the week.
The girls from the websites are no different and some/most have worked in some of these casas.(despite what the website may claim.)
Good luck, I want to go back asap but it doesn't look possible with my work schedule.
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As they are I wait that well I inform them that I received two babies new excellent presentation he/she assists even, women and men.
The rates are
Colombian Julian $250.000 pesos colombian 120 dls
Andrea $100.000 Colombian pesos 50 dls
As I already told them the two university students and very well presented.
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4 photos
As they are I wait that well I inform them that I received two babies new excellent presentation he/she assists even, women and men.
The rates are
Julian $250.000 pesos Colombian 1 hour 120n dls
Andrea $100.000 pesos Colombian 1 hour 50 dls
As I already told them the two university students and very well presented.
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[QUOTE=Carlos Pele]As they are I wait that well I inform them that I received two babies new excellent presentation he/she assists even, women and men.
The rates are
Julian $250.000 pesos Colombian 1 hour 120n dls
Andrea $100.000 pesos Colombian 1 hour 50 dls
As I already told them the two university students and very well presented.[/QUOTE]Who charges such prices??? Some top models?
I hope it's not the ones who from the pictures below?
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[QUOTE=Carlos Pele]As they are I wait that well I inform them that I received two babies new excellent presentation he/she assists even, women and men.
The rates are
Julian $250.000 pesos Colombian 1 hour 120n dls
Andrea $100.000 pesos Colombian 1 hour 50 dls
As I already told them the two university students and very well presented.[/QUOTE]Surely you jest? This must be a joke! Going by the pictures, Ive seen much much much better in Dr.Love or La piscina or Ropa de bebe and I havent even started with my joints in the South. Is Dr Love still 37mil/hr? I dont know I havent been in there for ages.
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[QUOTE=Carlos Pele]As they are I wait that well I inform them that I received two babies new excellent presentation he/she assists even, women and men.
The rates are
Julian $250.000 pesos Colombian 1 hour 120n dls
Andrea $100.000 pesos Colombian 1 hour 50 dls
As I already told them the two university students and very well presented.[/QUOTE]Wow, to each his own amigo, but I´ve had way better looking chicas for $10 US.
I think you need to make the rounds a bit :)
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[QUOTE=MiamiHeatLuver]Surely you jest? This must be a joke! Going by the pictures, Ive seen much much much better in Dr.Love or La piscina or Ropa de bebe and I havent even started with my joints in the South. Is Dr Love still 37mil/hr? I dont know I havent been in there for ages.[/QUOTE]Of course it's personal taste, I would not go to them for free or even though they pay me $100, just not my type. Those girls look more like 25K Casa girls. maybe it was a typo in $250.000, I think COP 25.000/hr sounds right.
For 450K I had three fine ass slim natural college chicas for 4-5 hours.
450K for three girls at the same time, total. Please do not overpay.
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Great..but
[QUOTE=Carlos Pele]As they are I wait that well I inform them that I received two babies new excellent presentation he/she assists even, women and men.
The rates are
Julian $250.000 pesos Colombian 1 hour 120n dls
Andrea $100.000 pesos Colombian 1 hour 50 dls
As I already told them the two university students and very well presented.[/QUOTE]The girl looks awesome indeed, but the prices! Serious?
If you had fun. Why not?
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DR Amor
[QUOTE=MiamiHeatLuver]Surely you jest? This must be a joke! Going by the pictures, Ive seen much much much better in Dr.Love or La piscina or Ropa de bebe and I havent even started with my joints in the South. Is Dr Love still 37mil/hr? I dont know I havent been in there for ages.[/QUOTE]The price is 44k for an hour for a standard girl. (About 21 dollars ). Add a small propina as you know and you will have a very good time.
Can you pm me the places to go in the South of Cali ? never ventured there and I am curious. Hopefully I can get to Cali for a long weekend soon.
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Cali info
I am planning to go to Cali next month first time. Few question: it s save to take taxi from Cali airport in the city? Or any suggestions? What will be a good hotel to stay without any problem with ladies, money issue and security? If anyone have experience travelling in taxi from airport how was that?
Thanks
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Avenida Sexta
Hi, I stay and work near the Avenida Sexta Norte. It's been a wonderful place for everything. Eat, Drinks, Dance, Watching soccer, Mongering. Wow great place to stay in Cali I suppose.
There are lot of street walkers (girls, eununchs) in the Streets. Right from Calle 16 to Calle 25. More in the dark places and near the traffic signals.
Girls in Lo Maximo are great and they have good attitudes. But I do not find better girls in Club Social. The girls in Club Social grab you before you grab them.
The street walkers charge around 30K-50K for one hour before 2 am. On one Saturday night at 3 am I had one girl for 50K for three hours to my apartment. Had a pretty good service including Anal.
But I have a doubt about how safe is to take those girls. Will they have their medical checkups done frequently or better to avoid them?
Karkills