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[QUOTE=LittleBigMan; 1449007]Without going into a long debate I agree with this and heard and seen it first hand. With many factors personally it makes a big difference and you stand a better chance of making it with any Thai p4p or not when they leave Thailand. Living here the women with thousand of years of Thai culture upbring have too much pressure put on them.

LBM[/QUOTE]No idea what pressure you are talking about. Perhaps generalising a bit. My GF does not have the pressure of trying to provide for her daughter on her own. She had to previously run away from an abusive Thai husband. She is quite religious but shuns all Thai social things. She has in fact escaped from massive pressures. Family still creates pressures, but this is minor compared to what she used to have. She likes the freedom to do whatever she wants. So yes this freedom is possible in Thailand too.

The [½ plus 7] formula is too tight for me. IMHO it begins to break down for active healthy, older men, as well as for inquiring younger men who may desire a more mature older woman. In today's world with Cialis and longer sexual longevities for men. 36 years of age is the appropriate ceiling for female sexual partners unless a man really likes older women. I have sampled a couple of 40 year old ladies. I took a very well put together 40 year old out of Spasso one time. She was very nice. I could not believe she was 40. She looked real good so I decided to take her that night (4000bt for ST and she stayed until 3:30am) despite her age. The sex was pleasurable and her body was really soft and supple, but generally I prefer women 22 to 36 tops all else being equal providing the girl is good looking and has a nice personality.

All I know is, NO WAY am I going to limit my golden 70's with 42 plus year old women. As far I am concerned [ (57 * 0. 5) + 7] = 35. 5 years and that is my cutoff. So for Natty at age 60, the max age for my women will be 36 more or less. And for Natty at 65, the max for my women will be 36 more or less. And for 70 year old Natty, and I pray to Buddha I get there and still want pussy, the max age for my women will be 36 more or less.

Note: I put the woman's age at 36 which is my max appropriate P4P age more or less depending on the girl. Anything less than 36 is great although I concede there probably should be a min age for girl's too. Say for a 65 year old fit man 25 would be an appropriate minimum age for a girl and for a 70 year old fit man 27 would probably be an appropriate min age for girls. My point is, as long as you have money (financial wherewithal) and the power (sexual desire and ability) go for it. Who is to say what is appropriate? Nobody! When I am 70, I will walk through the lobby of Oriental Hotel with any hot 30 year old I feel like and be smiling all the way to my deluxe room. Life is good. Live it while you can. Room service? I would like some strawberries and chocolate syrup. Thank you.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1449303]Life is good. Live it while you can. Room service? I would like some strawberries and chocolate syrup. Thank you.[/QUOTE]I love your math and your attitude.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot; 1448429]Pretty well stated. I think there are great relationships to had in BKK, even for older fellows. There are plenty of early to mid 30s gals who concentrated on their careers and think of themselves as "too old" now. Educated, most own cars, condos, etc, and they are not parasites like most BGs who expect a Farang to "take care of family."

I really don't get it. Why one will come over here and compromise their standards. I mean really guys, would you date a 6th grade educated girl with a parasitic family back home? Probably not. Then don't do it here. To scr*w they are fine, but to date? Meh!

These girls are great actresses. It is their job folks. It is what they do. Making you feel "special" and "loved." Turn off the tap and see what you get.

Myself I have never taken care of a family and would not. I have a big problem with leeching mothers, fathers, and brothers, who expect the daughters to go off and support their family on their back. What the h*ll kind of value system is that? Not much of one if you ask me. And mind you, that value system is ingrained in the gals and is a hard one to break.[/QUOTE]Very accurate.

I enjoy reading posts from guys who say "All Thai girls do thus-and-so" and then go on to relate actions that no self-respecting middle-class Thai woman would think of doing on her worst day. I've been lucky enough to cultivate relationships with several middle-class females over the last couple of years. Absolutely zero of them would be caught dead asking some foreigner to assist with money for a family emergency, let alone a motorbike for brother or car for dad. None of them support their families financially, as mom and dad made a point throughout their life to make sure they wouldn't be a burden on their kids. Bloodsucking relatives is a hallmark of extremely low-class people.

While I'm rambling, I'll toss in my 2 sateng on the whole relationship thing.

I have friends who will never marry again, I respect that and Thailand is as good a place as any for guys like that. Easy to rent, easy to upgrade to a new model.

But some guys want a relationship. They go fishing in the sewers to find Ms. Right, and wonder why they keep catching turds. Must be the Thai women's fault.

The first, and hardest, thing a guy needs to do is to do a little introspection. What do you bring to the party? Are you a morbidly obese alcoholic whose only exercise is 12-ounce curls while propping up the end of a bar all day? If so, your options are limited. But if you're reasonably financially solvent, your height and weight proportions are in shouting distance of one another, you dress nicely, bathe frequently and speak politely, you bring a lot to the table. Also, are you willing to take the time to learn about Thai culture? You expect a woman to learn your culture, so it's only fair to try to meet her in the middle. So, a guy's got to do his homework first. If it's too much work, stick with the bars.

Second is you have to decide what you want and come up with realistic expectations. If you have a degree, or similar education, you're probably not going to be happy with a girl fresh off the farm. A friend once told me "Po' folks have po' ways." As a rule of thumb, educated Thais tend to be from a higher socio-economic background. So, to get somebody closer to your own socio-economic background, look for a more educated woman. This is important because you'll be expected to spend a fair amount of time with her. I note that when a Thai woman gets married she spends a lot of time with her husband and little time with friends she had before getting married. You're going to be expected to follow suit to some degree. She's not going to be happy if you're at the pub with your mates every night of the week and all day Saturday. So, if you don't mind hanging out with a semi-literate farm girl whose only intellectual curiosity is where the next dish of som tam is coming from, well, go for it!

Do you speak Thai? Are you willing to learn? The English speaking level of even graduate students is abysmal. I know girls who have just graduated with the equivalent of a JD who can't string together a coherent English sentence. So, try looking in industries where English is spoken, like Import / Export or a school teacher. Or learn Thai. Or be prepared for months of "Nok love papa."

You also want to find a girl who has had little romantic experience with farang. This is mostly due to the predilection, mentioned by another poster, of so many farang who want to turn a regular girl into a hooker and a hooker into a regular girl. You really don't want that kind of grief.

Lastly, you got to consider age. Like it or not, the odds of landing a happy relationship with a girl 1/2 or 1/3 your age are very, very small indeed. If you're 50 you have nothing in common with a 20 year old from your own country, let alone one from a different culture entirely. My experience has been that 10 to 15 years is a do-able age gap. Most women want somebody older, but few want to marry their grandfather.

So, you've cleaned up your act, you've developed a set of realistic expectations on what to find in a companion, you've started looking in the right places. There are no guarantees, but you've substantially increased your odds of finding somebody worth spending time with. Generally speaking, you'll be treated very well and the family will treat you well, too. Yes, you'll be expected to attend family functions and visits. You may be expected to help care for aging parents unable to work (but not support their sorry asses month in and month out). But you won't be treated like a walking ATM and odds are they won't refer to you as "the farang" behind your back. After a while you may come to realize how badly customers are treated by the bar girls. LOL

I've heard of the 1/2 + 7 rule since I was a teenager. Someone once told me it is attributable to the French and dates back to the 17th Century. Sounded right to me. At 16 I believed the French invented sex and knew everything about it. Now that I am older and wiser, I decided to do a little research on the origins of this rule and was surprised to discover it comes from a 1951 play titled [I]The Moon is Blue[/I] By F. Hugh Herbert.

In 1950, when Herbert was writing this play, the life expectancy for a man in the USA was 65. 6 years; for a woman it was 71. 1. This was the context in which Herbert wrote that line. Today a man born in 1950 has a life expectancy of about 88 years. Drugs like Plavix and Lipitor extend life and reverse the damage caused by cardiovascular disease. Many older men eat sensibly and exercise regularly, some take HGH and many use Viagra and Cialis. A sixty year old man in 1951 was knocking on death's door. A sixty year old man today may be more robust than a forty year old man in 1951 and can look forward to more than a quarter century of life.

Diet, exercise and pharmaceuticals, not to mention cosmetic surgery, enable men to cheat time and remain virile and attractive even as they enter old age.

For women it is different. Menopause is a formidable foe. Hormone replacement therapy is a weapon they can use, but it has well known and very serious risks. In my experiences few women use it; and so by their forties as their hormone levels change their youthfulness begins to disappear. Woman can spend a fortune on a myriad of cosmetic products and surgical procedures, but as any man who has fucked a fifty plus year old knows these only work to a degree.

As other contributors have pointed out, today the 1/2 + 7 rule is obsolete. A simple linear rule no longer works. A quadratic equation is more descriptive but probably not worth proposing.

A 12 year old boy may benefit from the carnal knowledge of an older more mature 13 year old girl. A thirty year old man is a good match for a 22 year old woman. Similarly, a fifty year old man might find a 32 year old woman to be perfect. When I was in my fifties I found women in their twenties to be too young and preferred women in their thirties. Now that I am in my sixties I have overcome some of my age prejudices. I like teens barely old enough to be legal; I like them at 22, I like them at 32; but I agree with Natty. Late thirties is the cut off for me. Of course there are exceptions. My last serious relationship ended about seven years ago and was with a 41 year old woman. She had been an aspiring elite downhill skier until she decided to focus her time on studying medicine. She spent an hour in the gym 5 days a week before going to her clinic. She was an exception. She was smart, attractive, extremely fit and financially secure; and for her sex was a welcome respite from working in a field that had a one year mortality rate of 80 percent. Honestly, today a 41 year old just like her would be about 5 years too old for me, and I would prefer a woman in her mid to late twenties. I'm not looking for a relationship. I'm looking for good sex with a hot young woman.

I empathize with men around my age who are looking for a relationship. I can't imagine being in a relationship with a 25 year old. I can't imagine fucking a 45 year old. So I've retired from the dating game and only play the fucking game.

Perhaps someday, if and when I make the move to Bangkok, I'll look for a lady in her late twenties who is prepared to trade on demand access to her body for financial security for life. But I've been around the block often enough to know that it will be just a matter of time before the never ending negotiations start; and who knows, ten years later she may be getting too old for me and I'll be out chasing 25 year old pussy again.

Perhaps I'll move to Bangkok and just fuck around until I've over satiated on Thai pussy and then move in with one of my daughters so I can hang out with my grandchildren. I'm fortunate. Taking care of one's parents is a multi-generational tradition in my family. A tradition my daughters tell me they will be happy to carry on. Their husbands may have other thoughts, but I'll leave it to my daughters to handle that matter.

Time will tell.

I'm still trying to figure it out. I may never figure it out. I've learned to accept that some questions have no good answer. All we can do is make the best of each day, one day at a time.

As Kung Fu Panda, paraphrasing an old French proverb once said,"Yesterday is history. Tomorrow is a mystery. That is why today is called the PRESENT."

[quote=rjsss212; 1449157]save your proselytizing and half-baked ethics for your beer buddies.

what happened was exactly what was supposed to happen in a free market situation.

he will choose more carefully and be keener to small signals and she will re-evaluate (if a thai bg mind can achieve such heights) the short-term career path she has chosen and hopefully go back home.

lessons learned in life are not always sweet tasting but as long as they are not harmful then one should be thankful.[/quote]kidnap and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] are 2 cornerstones of a free market system. lol.

anyone notice how the hooligans identify themselves by their response to this horrible situation.

[QUOTE=Phordphan; 1449320]Very accurate.

I enjoy reading posts from guys who say "All Thai girls do thus-and-so" and then go on to relate actions that no self-respecting middle-class Thai woman would think of doing on her worst day. I've been lucky enough to cultivate relationships with several middle-class females over the last couple of years. Absolutely zero of them would be caught dead asking some foreigner to assist with money for a family emergency, let alone a motorbike for brother or car for dad. None of them support their families financially, as mom and dad made a point throughout their life to make sure they wouldn't be a burden on their kids. Bloodsucking relatives is a hallmark of extremely low-class people.

While I'm rambling, I'll toss in my 2 sateng on the whole relationship thing...[/QUOTE]So you really think the avg. Sex tourist can pull this off?

Hahahahahahaha! No offense. Good reading!

Does anyone have any recent experience with the nighclubs on Soi 11? I've been watching and reading posts here, but the only stuff on the Aloft nightclub (Levels) is about people going there for dancing. I could give fuck-all for the dancing. I'm wondering how pliable the ladies there are. Has anyone had success at Levels recently? Would you recommend this over Climax, or QBar, or Liquid (not Soi 11, but close)?

Specifically, if anyone could compare Climax and Levels, that would be great. If not, rest assured that I will certainly do so on my upcoming trip to BKK.

Well Paul I would not see it that theoretical. I am dating with my 53 years a beautiful 31 year old Brazilian mother and I will travel to BKK to fuck any woman which I find attractive whatever her age is. By the way many woman look clearly better with 40 then with 20 and sometimes I take here in Rio a 45 years old lady of the night as an escort who is unbelievable in bed. So where is the logic here? There is no logic in this game.

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch; 1449328]I've heard of the 1/2 + 7 rule since I was a teenager. Someone once told me it is attributable to the French and dates back to the 17th Century. Sounded right to me. At 16 I believed the French invented sex and knew everything about it. Now that I am older and wiser, I decided to do a little research on the origins of this rule and was surprised to discover it comes from a 1951 play titled [I]The Moon is Blue[/I] By F. Hugh Herbert.

In 1950, when Herbert was writing this play, the life expectancy for a man in the USA was 65. 6 years; for a woman it was 71. 1. This was the context in which Herbert wrote that line. Today a man born in 1950 has a life expectancy of about 88 years. Drugs like Plavix and Lipitor extend life and reverse the damage caused by cardiovascular disease. Many older men eat sensibly and exercise regularly, some take HGH and many use Viagra and Cialis. A sixty year old man in 1951 was knocking on death's door. A sixty year old man today may be more robust than a forty year old man in 1951 and can look forward to more than a quarter century of life."[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch; 1449328]Now that I am in my sixties I have overcome some of my age prejudices. I like teens barely old enough to be legal;

I'm not looking for a relationship. I'm looking for good sex with a hot young woman.

I empathize with men around my age who are looking for a relationship. I can't imagine being in a relationship with a 25 year old. I can't imagine fucking a 45 year old. So I've retired from the dating game and only play the fucking game.

Perhaps I'll move to Bangkok and just fuck around until I've over satiated on Thai pussy and then move in with one of my daughters so I can hang out with my grandchildren.

I'm still trying to figure it out. I may never figure it out. I've learned to accept that some questions have no good answer. All we can do is make the best of each day, one day at a time.

As Kung Fu Panda, paraphrasing an old French proverb once said,"Yesterday is history. Tomorrow is a mystery. That is why today is called the PRESENT."[/QUOTE]Paul, your situation is remarkably similar to mine, except I'm living the dream right now while you are only anticipating it. I'm not in the least looking for a relationship, girlfriend, or much less a wife at any age, young or old. I've been there and done that enough times to know that I'm happiest when I'm alone doing exactly as I please when I please. I like being by myself and have plenty to do so I'm never bored.

For sex I like girls as young and nubile as possible, in the prime of their youth and looks, to play with for an hour or so and then let them go. I have nothing in common with them; I just want to pet them, caress them, frolic with them, laugh with them, engage in oral sex with them, and enjoy their tight bodied youth and beauty for a while. Intellectual conversation is not necessary or desired.

Pattaya Thailand is the best place in the world for what I want.

If I'm lucky enough to reach my late eighties and am too blind and feeble to enjoy the bunnies anymore, I'll move in with my daughter who has promised to look after me, or I'll maybe stay in Thailand and hire a middle aged Thai woman to take care of me for a salary. So I'm no longer trying to figure it out. I've got it figured out; living happily one day at a time; firmly in the present in the best spot on the planet for me.

I hope that you and others on this forum will be lucky enough to do the same.

Regards,

Daddy

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1449328]Now that I am in my sixties I have overcome some of my age prejudices. I like teens barely old enough to be legal[/QUOTE]Interesting. When I first moved here at 34, I was attracted to gals in their early 20s. Now they do nothing for me. As I have aged, so have my tastes. I like them late 20s to mid 30s. Why? Because they have a little life experience and they are just better in bed. Thai women seem to learn about their bodies later than Western women, most are late bloomers. I just don't have the patience for a giggly 20 yr old, not even for an hour. They seem and now look like kids to me. Not sure why that change had occurred.

[QUOTE=Daddy07; 1449364]I'm not in the least looking for a relationship, girlfriend, or much less a wife at any age, young or old. I've been there and done that enough times to know that I'm happiest when I'm alone doing exactly as I please when I please. I like being by myself and have plenty to do so I'm never bored.

I've got it figured out; living happily one day at a time; firmly in the present in the best spot on the planet for me.

Regards,

Daddy[/QUOTE]Daddy,

I hear you. Over the past few years I've learned that I really enjoy my own company and value the personal freedom not being encumbered in a relationship affords. I also recognize that I like an endless variety of young women. I'm open to opportunities, but I think the opportunities I will find appealing will not include getting into a relationship with one woman. Maybe moving to Bangkok and fucking a dozen different twenty-something year old girls every week will grow old after a few months or years, but I'd like to see just how long I can keep it interesting. I've read with interest the posts that point out there is more to do in Bangkok than fuck SW and cultivating other interests is one of the keys to successful relocation. I've seen enough of the city to figure out there is plenty to see and do, but confirmation is good. I also expect to turn a few things I dabble in into serious avocations. Of course learning how to speak, read and write Thai will be my first goal other than satisfying my carnal needs.

On a different subject, for what it's worth another forum member suggested I watch a documentary on Netflix called working girl's Glory. Actually the first word in the title is the possessive form of a five letter word that starts with W and ends with E, H and O and R are in the middle, but the peculiar spellchecker this forum uses is a harsh censor and insists on calling it working girl's Glory. The first third is filmed in Bangkok. It's a decent documentary.

Paul

[QUOTE=Phordphan; 1449320]The first, and hardest, thing a guy needs to do is to do a little introspection. What do you bring to the party? Are you a morbidly obese alcoholic whose only exercise is 12-ounce curls while propping up the end of a bar all day? If so, your options are limited. But if you're reasonably financially solvent, your height and weight proportions are in shouting distance of one another, you dress nicely, bathe frequently and speak politely, you bring a lot to the table. Also, are you willing to take the time to learn about Thai culture? You expect a woman to learn your culture, so it's only fair to try to meet her in the middle. So, a guy's got to do his homework first. If it's too much work, stick with the bars.

Second is you have to decide what you want and come up with realistic expectations. If you have a degree, or similar education, you're probably not going to be happy with a girl fresh off the farm. A friend once told me "Po' folks have po' ways." As a rule of thumb, educated Thais tend to be from a higher socio-economic background. So, to get somebody closer to your own socio-economic background, look for a more educated woman. This is important because you'll be expected to spend a fair amount of time with her. I note that when a Thai woman gets married she spends a lot of time with her husband and little time with friends she had before getting married. You're going to be expected to follow suit to some degree. She's not going to be happy if you're at the pub with your mates every night of the week and all day Saturday. So, if you don't mind hanging out with a semi-literate farm girl whose only intellectual curiosity is where the next dish of som tam is coming from, well, go for it!

Do you speak Thai? Are you willing to learn? The English speaking level of even graduate students is abysmal. I know girls who have just graduated with the equivalent of a JD who can't string together a coherent English sentence. So, try looking in industries where English is spoken, like Import / Export or a school teacher. Or learn Thai. Or be prepared for months of "Nok love papa."

LOL[/QUOTE]Very well stated. Seeing what she really brings to the table is something not so many guys do here in Thailand. For most of them, they stick it in, and in six seconds they are in love. I have a friend who dates "normal" girls quite a bit here. He always asks them what they are bringing to the relationship. Degrees? A business? Estate? Car? Career? Home? Good Caretaker? What besides their looks and sex? With most, the answer is a big bag of nothing. In fact, they bring negatives. Debt, a needy family, support expectations, etc. Really don't get that. The longer I live here the less I get it. Fine to go out and bang one of these poor gals, but hey, leave it at that. But, to each his own.

[QUOTE=Joecaipiroska;1449356]Well Paul I would not see it that theoretical. I am dating with my 53 years a beautiful 31 year old Brazilian mother and I will travel to BKK to fuck any woman which I find attractive whatever her age is. By the way many woman look clearly better with 40 then with 20 and sometimes I take here in Rio a 45 years old lady of the night as an escort who is unbelievable in bed. So where is the logic here? There is no logic in this game.[/QUOTE]Good point. I should have written my cutoff is a woman whom I would believe if she were to tell me she is 35.

[QUOTE=Paul Kausch; 1449395]Daddy,

Maybe moving to Bangkok and fucking a dozen different twenty-something year old girls every week will grow old after a few months or years, but I'd like to see just how long I can keep it interesting.

Paul[/QUOTE]It will grow old after a few days!