[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2154348]Naughty boy, stop destroying the fantasy world he built stone by stone![/QUOTE]Psychiatrists usually break down a patient's mental problems stone by stone&.
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[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2154348]Naughty boy, stop destroying the fantasy world he built stone by stone![/QUOTE]Psychiatrists usually break down a patient's mental problems stone by stone&.
[QUOTE=Takedown;2154129]Well since AO never got reported anyway because it was club policy to not allow it, before or after the law, it's not a good indicator. BBBJ however, did become harder to find without upsell.[/QUOTE]BBBJ stay standard and for free in Hessen and NRW, even in Hamburg with extra, about 30 . Many girls looking for CIM for extra money. I m not into CIM, but still my real foreigner weekly experience in Germany.
DFK stay also standard, just have to find good, fluent kisser girls. Most enjoyable is when the girl comes to kiss You all along the room and in missionary, eyes in eyes, then You have to control to stay as long as possible on the edge of pleasure, not cumming like a rabbit. Russian escort Elena Maria Sharapova was great for this yesterday. Some FKK girls are also great for this. I remember at Oase a girl eyes "going in clouds" while missionary, it was really enjoyable.
Best pleasure is in eyes and brain.
It is stupid to argue that AO will die if we don't report on it in terms of when and where. I was, by a good margin, the first person to report on an AO club, but did not say where it was. The club survived for years before anybody reported which club it was.
I am not saying we should not report it, just objecting to false unsubstantiated claims. I have seen firsthand several times girls thrown out of clubs like Oase due to allegations of AO.
AO, BBBJ, kissing, public sex, and other things are declining for reasons nothing to do with this Forum.
[QUOTE=Optimist;2154389]AO, BBBJ, kissing, public sex, and other things are declining for reasons nothing to do with this Forum.[/QUOTE]Because of dickless boys with no expectations ;) Kind of guy who goes : "I want kissing, how much is it ?" or "even at 100 / 30 minutes, it's still cheaper than fucking a fat french hooker in the back of her truck".
[QUOTE=Takedown;2154370]Psychiatrists usually break down a patient's mental problems stone by stone😬.[/QUOTE]You didn't choose the easy way do you? Its going to be a VERY LONG road.
By the way, where do you find all your funny smileys ?
[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2151344]There were guys who thought reporting BBBJ was a bad idea even before the new law. But I'm sure they had no problem using the information about BBBJ other guys posted.[/QUOTE]Well, as BBBJ used to be included there can't have been anyone who suggested not to report it. And no one had any use of others reporting regarding BBBJ as every girl did it in every session.
[QUOTE=BigBuddy69;2154398]You didn't choose the easy way do you? Its going to be a VERY LONG road.
By the way, where do you find all your funny smileys ?[/QUOTE]It's just the iphone emoji keyboard. When Communicating with 20 something year olds, it's pretty much essential, LOL.
[QUOTE=Takedown;2154370]Psychiatrists usually break down a patient's mental problems stone by stone😬.[/QUOTE]No, they just help to make your own work to find your own way. They don't make it, because everybody have to find own way, nobody can find your own way for you, except if you are a slave, or pimped.
[QUOTE=RogueNation;2154143]"In fact" is an opening used by people who don't have any evidence or facts. How do you know it rarely happens? You haven't been to a club for a year. It did and does happen. Just the fact that it hasn't been reported here doesn't mean it did not happen.[/QUOTE]I can tell you for sure that if you report it in the Vienna thread about girls in GT or FP who offer AO, then at some point those girls will have no choice but leave. Some girls read up on what's going on here on ISG and they will make use of the info for sure. Also the AO girls will never hear the end of it from the other girls. Kind of outcast situation guaranteed. And that is even thought it is totally legal to offer which ever service you like in any club in Austria.
[QUOTE=MassimoPotente;2154474]I can tell you for sure that if you report it in the Vienna thread about girls in GT or FP who offer AO, then at some point those girls will have no choice but leave. Some girls read up on what's going on here on ISG and they will make use of the info for sure.[/QUOTE]This can be also true for all the bigger mega clubs in Germany and Austria (and some of the smaller clubs as well). Some working girls [u]do[/u] read the reports on this Board, particularly some Romanian girls who's second language is very often English as opposed to German.
What is not factored into this conversation about whether it is right or wrong to report in the Forum on working girls who offer BBBJ as standard or who offer AO as standard or for extra cash is that quiet a few of the reports on this Board are actually fake! Or at least factually incorrect!! You cannot absolutely believe every reported club visit that is published on this Board. Not even reports that have been put in the Reports of Distinction thread by me!
The truth of the matter is that guys will embellish a club experience or a meeting with a working girl for the sake of making their report more entertaining. Guys will on seeing a recent line up list, write about a fictitious FKK or Sauna club visit where they met one or two of the girls from the recent line-up-list, when the fact of the matter is they live abroad and have not been to the FKK / Sauna club in the last twelve months. They possibly were with the reported working girls twelve months ago, if they were with them at all. Guys write reports about girls who they heard about from a mongering buddy. They were not actually with the girl themselves but they heard all the details from this other monger who was actually in the room with the working girl. Who knows if they were told the truth by their buddy or not! You cannot believe that every single report that is published in this forum is factually correct. You cannot absolutely believe that a particular working girl offers BBBJ or AO services just because you read it on this Board. You cannot bet your house on this information. At least not always.
I know all of the above because guys I have mongered with in FKK-Land and who have reported on this board have admitted it to me in the past. Now I have been travelling to FKK-Land for ten years or more and I have met many, many guys off this Board in this time and most who report on this board I am certain report honestly. The guys I regularly meet in Germany report accurately if they report at all. But not every single report on this Board is an honest report. You cannot believe absolutely everything that you read here. I believe this should always be remembered.
[QUOTE=MassimoPotente;2154474]And that is even thought it is totally legal to offer which ever service you like in any club in Austria.[/QUOTE]Was the same in Germany for 20 years. Still AO reports getting management's attention or getting caught in action meant that the girls had to go.
[QUOTE=DerAuslander;2154510]This can be also true for all the bigger mega clubs in Germany and Austria (and some of the smaller clubs as well). Some working girls [u]do[/u] read the reports on this Board, particularly some Romanian girls who's second language is very often English as opposed to German.
What is not factored into this conversation about whether it is right or wrong to report in the Forum on working girls who offer BBBJ as standard or who offer AO as standard or for extra cash is that quiet a few of the reports on this Board are actually fake! Or at least factually incorrect!! You cannot absolutely believe every reported club visit that is published on this Board. Not even reports that have been put in the Reports of Distinction thread by me!
The truth of the matter is that guys will embellish a club experience or a meeting with a working girl for the sake of making their report more entertaining..[/QUOTE]Never forget that in the FKK world both girls and mongers are not telling the truth, are you telling your family what you have done in Germany, probably not, the same for the girls most of them are waiter in a restaurant.
Please don't make the things to theoretical, just go fuck the girls if you want but don't try to understand it is more or less impossible. The girls are there to get as much a.
And so to the last night of my trip and a visit to Oase. Having spent the day in Frankfurt where it was bitterly cold in wind with an icy chill, I actually contemplated not going to Oase or any FKK at all. I'd spent the last two nights in Oceans and Sharks until the early hours, had completed some great rooms and hours but perhaps age was catching up on me, and the thought of a workout, followed by a long soak in a hot bath or jacuzzi and a nice meal in the hotel was actually very appealing. If I lived in Germany I'd have taken a break last night. But us tourists don't have the luxury of skipping valuable FKK time. I don't live in a country where these clubs exist at all and hey. It was my final night.
Took the train to Bad Homburg. Had read in this forum years ago some great advice that there are frequently very few taxis at Freidrichsdorf HBF. I'd once not believed it, took the train all the way to Freidrichsdorf only to find no taxis and ended up having to call Oase to send one to me. No such problem at Bad Homburg and 20 euros later I arrived. At that point there was no sign of the snow which was to follow whilst I was enjoying the club.
Immediately appreciated that the club was very busy. I arrived at 7 pm. There were only 4 locker keys available! Paid entry and was given key to locker 150. Nightmare. Right at the end of a row full of guys. I later changed to 052 under protest from the front desk. It was impossible most of the time to get to my locker! By 8 pm there were no locker keys left at all. I wondered what happens then? Do they turn guys away? Would be interested to know from more experienced regulars.
I'm the sort of punter who likes to ease my way into a club. I rarely have a room in the first hour. I take a beer, maybe some food, have a couple of walks around to take in the overall LU. Not so tonight. I enter the area at the top of the stairs above the jacuzzi and I cannot take my eyes off the tallest WG I've ever seen who is just stunning. Long flowing dark / red hair, high cheek bones, slim, bee cups, I go say Hi immediately to Kathryn / Katelyn / Katherine? Bulgarian. Some tattoos (not intrusive), big lips, amazing green eyes. With the exception of Melissa (Scandalo Malaga, Spanish club for those of you who also frequent Spain) this tall beauty is possibly the most striking woman I've seen in all my years of mongering. I'd reported no 9's or 10's in Oceans, a couple of 9's in Sharks the previous night but no 10. For me, this woman was a 10 from the moment I saw her. Melissa is facially the most attractive WG I've ever seen / sessioned with (she still works in Scandalo) but the overall impact of this tall stunner was instant and I was taking her to the room before I'd even got a drink. I didn't want to "miss out" if she was one of those girls who gets booked for hours on end.
Kathryn was dominant in the room. No DFK, confirmed it would be on offer for longer time (annoying). Ditto other services (. I explained that as it was my first room I'd want to repeat later and include other things. She said "I have no boundaries". This woman is VERY skilful and maintains eye contact 100% of the time. We are all used to having a girl in doggy and wanting to pound away unrestricted. This woman does the pounding. Her reverse cowgirl was so strong she had me close to completion inside 5 minutes and that really is not me. Managed to exert some influence to prevent an embarrassing and unwanted early finish. The temptation to stay longer was enormous but I wanted to get into the club. I'd not walked anywhere to even see the rest of the LU. However, Kathryn's downfall is that she is one of those EE girls who has a very cold nature. We did share some laughs but it was a real effort to get her to do so. During the remaining 8 hours+ I was in the club (left at 3. 30 am) I only saw her have a couple of other clients. Sure I was in rooms myself (see below) but she was often free in the main lounge area and I think her "chill effect" personality is the cause. She does not mean to be, nor is not, unfriendly. She just gives off a vibe of assertiveness and coldness which I think is offputting to many. Would I repeat. Most definitely.
So to the bar for a drink only to recall that unlike the sensible FOB system in Oceans and Sharks, this club (like Artemis in Berlin) still operates the stupid policy of having to buy tokens. And buy them from the highly unfriendly receptionist. What a nuisance. I don't like wearing robes. I wear the towel. The clubs are hot and I prefer not to feel shrouded. So every time I wanted a drink I have to go down those stairs, collect cash, back up to reception, buy a poker chip for 10, spend it at the bar. No pockets in a towel! That's my own problem but the system is just very unhelpful.
Next up I decide to session with the slim girl with wavy hair who has been dancing in the middle of the lounge. Turns out she is Soraya. Ro. Great fun-time lady. The complete antithesis of Kathryn. Off we go, many attempts at upsell but loved her body and in particular her very tight pussy. But I struggle to enjoy a woman who holds your dick to control penetration. Three times I gently asked her not to do this and I'd be slow / gentle to start. She was not to be persuaded and so, despite really liking her body, I call time after 30 minutes. As we go to the top of the stairs she says "It's 100 baby". I say it's not. We had standard service with nothing extra provided or requested and its 50. "For THAT service?" She remonstrates. She is furious. I didn't understand why, tried to ask her but she was not willing to discuss it and went off in a strop telling me not to ask to repeat! WIR? Not with the "holding" policy and crazy attitude.
Food was ok if nothing special. Not as good as Sharks for me. Went for a very bracing walk around the outside area in just the towel. It was -3 and I could see people looking at me thinking I was drunk or crazy. I wasn't drunk but sure it was a crazy thing to do but it sure woke me up.
Spent 20 minutes in conversation with three great guys from NYC. If you are reading this guys you did find ISG and I hope your final night tonight is good!
Room 3 was with the pretty Alisha. Blonde Ro. A little curvier than I'd have preferred but on this whole trip I didn't have any rooms with a girl with big breasts and in the absence of my favourite Elizabeth Hung. (she didn't appear all night) this girl was the right choice for me. Alisha was a lovely lady to spend time with, no holding your dick nonsense and was very happy to be fully impaled! We used one of the very large rooms at the end of the pool area near the relax area for guys. Limited it to 30 minutes again. I would definitely repeat.
Was very much deciding that my final room would be 2 hours with Kathryn despite the cold impression. I just found that whenever she walked past I was mesmerised. But started a conversation at the bar in the main lounge with blonde Ro. Rosa. Facially pretty, slightly sagging boobs but lovely bum / smile and she was clearly intelligent and I just had a feeling she would be good and the chemistry would be right. So it proved as we did 2 hours and a whole variety of things costing me a total of 350 e which was worth every cent. She was a pleasure to spend time with and I'd 100% repeat.
On the way to the lockers to get showered and leave Soraya approaches me and asks if I want to repeat? She must have by then been finding the pickings slim!
Kathryn smiles at me in a "you're full of shit. You said we'd have a long time in the room". This is entirely true. It was the intelligence and personality of Rosa which won the battle but I leave Germany with only one regret. That I didn't spend more time with Kathryn the Great.
Had a great night in Oase. I thought the overall LU was actually weaker than Sharks on the Friday. The lighting in Oase is much better than Oceans or Sharks which means you get to seek the girl / face / body much better which is a plus. The drinks tokens nonsense is a definite negative.
Left to find snow everywhere and a tricky cab back to central Frankfurt.
Until the next time.
[QUOTE=PayForIt;2154852]So every time I wanted a drink I have to go down those stairs, collect cash, back up to reception, buy a poker chip for 10, spend it at the bar. No pockets in a towel! That's my own problem but the system is just very unhelpful.[/QUOTE]Why don't you deposit your money in the small safes next to the bar?
[QUOTE=PayForIt;2154852]I'm the sort of punter who likes to ease my way into a club. I rarely have a room in the first hour. I take a beer, maybe some food, have a couple of walks around to take in the overall LU. Not so tonight. I enter the area at the top of the stairs above the jacuzzi and I cannot take my eyes off the tallest WG I've ever seen who is just stunning. Long flowing dark / red hair, high cheek bones, slim, bee cups, I go say Hi immediately to Kathryn / Katelyn / Katherine? Bulgarian. Some tattoos (not intrusive), big lips, amazing green eyes. With the exception of Melissa (Scandalo Malaga, Spanish club for those of you who also frequent Spain) this tall beauty is possibly the most striking woman I've seen in all my years of mongering. I'd reported no 9's or 10's in Oceans, a couple of 9's in Sharks the previous night but no 10. For me, this woman was a 10 from the moment I saw her. Melissa is facially the most attractive WG I've ever seen / sessioned with (she still works in Scandalo) but the overall impact of this tall stunner was instant and I was taking her to the room before I'd even got a drink. I didn't want to "miss out" if she was one of those girls who gets booked for hours on end.
Kathryn was dominant in the room. No DFK, confirmed it would be on offer for longer time (annoying). Ditto other services (. I explained that as it was my first room I'd want to repeat later and include other things. She said "I have no boundaries". This woman is VERY skilful and maintains eye contact 100% of the time. We are all used to having a girl in doggy and wanting to pound away unrestricted. This woman does the pounding. Her reverse cowgirl was so strong she had me close to completion inside 5 minutes and that really is not me. Managed to exert some influence to prevent an embarrassing and unwanted early finish. The temptation to stay longer was enormous but I wanted to get into the club. I'd not walked anywhere to even see the rest of the LU. However, Kathryn's downfall is that she is one of those EE girls who has a very cold nature. We did share some laughs but it was a real effort to get her to do so. During the remaining 8 hours+ I was in the club (left at 3. 30 am) I only saw her have a couple of other clients. Sure I was in rooms myself (see below) but she was often free in the main lounge area and I think her "chill effect" personality is the cause. She does not mean to be, nor is not, unfriendly. She just gives off a vibe of assertiveness and coldness which I think is offputting to many. Would I repeat. Most definitely..[/QUOTE]Thanks for that nice report PayForIt. If you say this "Kathryn" is in the same league as "Melissa" at Scandalo in Spain, who we both have had the pleasure of, then a very attractive woman she must be indeed! And I'm glad you didn't let that "Soraya" take advantage of you with her bullshit. And then she had the nerve to ask for a repeat! I mean the behavior of some of these tutes is just despicable when it comes to trying to rip mongers off. You should have taken her ass to reception is what. But, you're too nice a guy for that. Dumb ass tutes with their short-term thinking. Anyway, thanks for a good report on one of my favorite FKK clubs!
[QUOTE=PayForIt;2154852] But us tourists don't have the luxury of skipping valuable FKK time. I don't live in a country where these clubs exist at all and hey. It was my final night.[/QUOTE]I agree, all my trips are for 6-9 days that I have booked thru September now and I do not want to skip days either and I hit burn out after 4-5 days (no longer a spring chicken sadly that can go 2-4 times a day for a week) so for now on will just book 4-5 day trips (even 3 full days is enough and we fly thru the night so time adjustments no issue at all) and miss no action and just increase the number of trips. I too live in a country where these clubs (and Adult Day Care Centers) do not exist so need to get maximum value / enjoyment out of my dollar which means no skipping valuable FKK time as you say in turn means shorter trips for me before returns become diminished. Short, sweet and to the point.
Thanks for the very detailed reports always enjoyed reading your literary works especially in Spain too in the South and your club visits to the Madrid area. Keep up the good, honest and detailed reporting!